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PUBLIC SESSION MINUTES OF ORAL EVIDENCE taken before HIGH SPEED RAIL COMMITTEE On the HIGH SPEED RAIL (LONDON – WEST MIDLANDS) BILL Wednesday, 28 October 2015 (Morning) In Committee Room 5 PRESENT: Mr Robert Syms (Chair) Sir Peter Bottomley Mr Henry Bellingham Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Mr Mark Hendrick _____________ IN ATTENDANCE Mr Tim Mould QC, Lead Counsel, Department for Transport Witnesses: Mr John Knox Mr John Killip Mr Marcus Rogers Mr Paul Irwin Mr N igel Buck Mr Eric Serjeant Mr Christopher and David Prideaux Mr Tim Smart, International Director for High Speed Rail, CH2M Hill _____________ IN PUBLIC SESSION INDEX Subject Page Presentation from the Promoter 3 Quainton Parish Council Submissions by Mr Knox 5 Response from Mr Mould 20 Mr S mar t, questioned by the Committee 27 Closing submissions from Mr Knox 32 Waddesdon Parish Council Submissions by Mr Rogers and Mr Irwin 33 Response from Mr Mould 37 Mr Smart, examined by Mr Mould 38 Winwood Almshouses Trust Submissions by Mr Buck 49 Response from Mr Mould 51 Submissions by Mr Serjeant 56 Christopher and David Prideaux Submissions by Mr Christopher and David Prideaux 59 Response from Mr Mould 69 Closing submissions by Mr Christopher and David Prideaux 78 2 (At 09.31) 1. CHAIR: Order, order. Welcome, good morning, to the HS2 Select Committee; another happy day of progress through petitions. Do we have the fly through for this area? Can we go through Calvert and then south, please? 2. MR MOULD QC (DfT): So we are just passing beyond – we are going to pass beyond Calvert now, going southwards. If we just stop here. There’s an area of land just to the south or west of the railway line, which is being shown here, which is Woodlands Farm. That’s an area of land that’s been acquired by the project, which you may hear about later on during the course of the morning. Then if we go on, we see Edgcott Road being taken across the railway line. Just stop again; just where I’m putting the cursor now, these are Woodlands Farm cottages, which you may hear about during the course of this morning. They remain in private ownership; I think there’s recently been a sale of those by private treaty – whether that’s of any significance I don’t know. 3. To the east of the railway line are two electricity facilities, one is being pointed out to you now; and then an auto-transformer facility which is being pointed out to you now, which is the subject of some points made, I think, by the first petitioner this morning. Then if we carry on, we come in – certainly on the western side of the line, if we stop here, are lands owned by Messrs Prideaux who are appearing, presenting their petition this morning. The buildings enclosure that you see here is Doddershall House and Doddershall medieval village, and if we carry on, we are coming towards Quainton. Quainton is the settlement you see, off to the east of the line here. We see the access way – if you stop here – the access way running broadly parallel to the railway on the western side, which is the access to Doddershall House. As you can see, there is a proposal to realign station road, which is the road that I’m now pointing out to you – to realign Station Road, taking it over the railway line, and that is a realignment from its existing alignment which is the alignment that I’m pointing out to you now. As you can see, it’s taken away on its existing alignment on a loop over the railway. That involves a realignment of the access to Doddershall House, which I’m pointing out to you now. You can see that there are bunds, new planting associated with the railway, particularly on the south side, which may come up to do, for landscape mitigation and noise mitigation purposes. 3 4. MR BELLINGHAM: I don’t think you with us when we visited Q uainton and Pr ideaux’s estate, Mr Mould – 5. MR MOULD QC (DfT): I wasn’t. 6. MR BELLINGHAM: But we would’ve come in; we went past that farm to the right there. We came in from Quainton village did we? 7. MR MOULD QC (DfT): You may have done. Quainton is being pointed out now, you may have come along this route, down Station Road, and turned into the existing access which I think is broadly in this location. 8. MR BELLINGHAM: I think that’s what we did. 9. MR MOULD QC (DfT): And there are two farms, there’s a north and a south farm, the northerly one is the one that’s being pointed out. The south one is just off the picture. I believe I’m right in saying that Mr Christopher Prideaux lives in south farm; and Mr David Prideaux lives in Doddershall House. But they’ll tell me if I’ve got that right or wrong when they appear later. 10. The other feature I should point out to you: this is the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre, which I am sure you were shown when you visited. The area that I’m showing you here – it’s broadly but if the re’s a need to be more precise it will be dealt with later I’m sure, is an area which is used for overflow parking for the Railway Centre. Then, there is also here a poultry facility for Faccenda Chicken I think, which has planning permission to expand its activities into the lands immediately to the north of the existing buildings there. There is also a farm – the name of which I have momentarily forgotten – Crossroads Farm, which is broadly in this location here, which may also be mentioned later. 11. We didn’t, as we went through, identify Waddesdon. If we go back – 12. SIR PETER BOTTOMLEY: Forwards. It’s to the southwest of where are. 13. MR MOULD QC (DfT): Yes, I’m so sorry. If we keep going; we can see it actually in the middle distance there. Waddesdon is here. If we can go on just a little further? I think we’re going to lose Waddesdon off the – if we stop here, you can just 4 make out the line of the A41 as it passes through the village of Waddesdon here. I think the issue today raised by that Parish Council is the impact of construction traffic along that road, and I think they’re going to raise a proposal for a temporary relief road or haul road, which I think probably. They’ll tell you whether this is right or wrong later, but I think they’re thinking about somewhere in the vicinity of the lands to the northwest of the village that are being pointed out now. 14. CHAIR: Okay. Thank you very much, Mr Mould. 15. MR MOULD QC (DfT): Thank you. 16. CHAIR: We will start off with petition 1328, Quainton Parish Council, Councillor John Knox, welcome. Quainton Parish Council 17. MR KNOX: Hello, thank you. I’ve been a Parish Councillor, who’s been handling HS2 for the past five years, and I’m accompanied by John Killip who, like me, is retired but comes from a road engineering background, and hopefully he will correct me when I go wrong. 18. If we go to the first slide, fairly brief here. This really is what typifies the village of Quainton. These two pictures show events that take place on the Green, very often in the summer. On the right is a summer fair which is well attended by all the people in the village, on the left you have got some sports cars, ancient vehicles – a car rally that was held there. It is a very tranquil village. In the background, you can see on the right hand side, our windmill. Unfortunately the windmill has now lost its sails because the timbers that were holding it in place have gone rotten, so all the sails, the coupler, the fa ntail, have all had to be taken off and some local villages are in the process of volunteering and repairing it, bit by bit. Hopefully it will be fully restored and grinding flour again soon. 19. If we go onto the next slide? Bit more background to the village. It’s a tranquil village, and it’s rural. It’s got 1,200 residents, 500 houses. Facilities include a shop, pub, school, tennis courts, football pitch, village hall, churches, skate park. It’s got a lot of activities and a lot of facilities there, but they’re not as important as the ones that – 5 20. CHAIR: Sounds better provided for than many villages, quite a lot going on there, isn’t there. 21. MR KNOX: The local lanes are used, typically, by cyclists, and as you’ve already seen, there’s a steam railway centre. 22. Now, as you’ll see shortly – there’ll be a picture demonstrating this, but Quainton rises above the line of HS2 on a westerly arm of the Chiltern hills. To the south is another one, topped by Waddesdon Manor. The prevailing winds will blow the rail nose towards the village, coming from the southwest, and channel it between the hills. The western part of the village is 0.35km outside the HS2 noise boundary, and the Station Road housing stretches down to the edge of HS2. We now see – right, that is a picture taken from five miles away, looking northeast towards the village.