69 Re Expulsion of [ 15 NOV. 1976 ] Shri Subramanian Swamy 70 from the House Them but Mr. Subramanian Swamy Has Brought De

69 Re expulsion of [ 15 NOV. 1976 ] Shri Subramanian Swamy 70 from the House them but Mr. Subramanian Swamy has Swamy was what the world will hereafter brought delinquency to the proceedings of this remember is that this Parliament was bold House in the past and we should also not enough, when it came to the protection of the forget his very behaviour here on the day when privileges and rights of this House, it took he marked his attendance last and when the firm action and put down, for all times, such Obituary was being read out by yourself, how, machinations which would destroy the fabric the House knows it, he raised a point of order of the parliamentary institutions in our and ran away. Is this the way for which he eo"untry. wants protection? Sir, if we want protection we must also know how to obey and how to Sir, I support the Motion. listen to the rulings and submit to the dignity SHRI KALI MUKHERJEE (West Bengal): of this House. And the same thing applies to It is a shame that of all persons Mr. Krishan the proceedings which have been initiated Kant has taken the brief of Mr. Swamy's case thereafter. He had ample opportunity to come, and his gang. he had ample opportunity to justify, and if he felt at that time, when he entered the House MR. CHAIRMAN: The House stands last, that he needed protection, I am sure, he adjourned till 2.20 P.M. could have come to you and said, "Mr. Chairman, I want your protection; I have come The House then adjourned tor into this House and I want your protection". I lunch at twenty-two minutes past am sure, Sir, no protection would have been one of the clock. denied to him. But, Sir, he d;d not. He only insulted the House and ran out of the House. The House reassembled after lunch at twenty-two minutes past two of the clock, the And what is his bravado? Mr. Subramanian Vice-Chairman (Shri Lokanath Misra) in the Swamy's bravado is very simple. He wants a Chair. name by doing wrong things because sometimes you believe that when you do a MOTION RE-EXPULSION OF SHRI wrong thing you get publicity. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY FROM THE HOUSE—Contd. SHRI J AG AN NATH BHARDWAJ: Money also. SHRI SANAT KUMAR RAHA (West Bengal): Sir, I rise to oppose the amendment DR. M. R. VYAS: He might feel that his to this motion by our colleague, Shri Krishan bravado is paying him dividends. But I think Kant and I support the main motion moved the only dividend he is getting is that in the by Shri Kamlapati Tripathi, the Minister of history of Parliament he will go down as Railways and the Leader of the House. ''Swamy versus Parliament" and as "Swamy who was expelled by the unanimous vote of Sir, while opposing the amendment to this this House." This is how he is going to get motion, I would like to place before ihis into the records. We have, in the past, records House that this House has got the supreme of people who had challenged the authority to discipline its Members. It is not a Constitution, people who had challenged question of Mr. Subramanian Swamy or Parliament, and they have gone into the anyone on this side or that side. The principle records as Kesa-vananda Bharati versus so should be that this august House must and so or Golaknath versus so and so. We do exercise its supreme power and establish its not know who Kesavananda Bharati was or authority to discipline its Members. It would who Golaknath was the world will also forget have been the best and the happiest day if the what Mr. Subramanian Committee were not to recommend. Mr. Subramanian Swamy's expulsion; it would have been the best day if the charges against him, those complaints and grie- 71 Re expulsion of [RAJYA SABHA] Shri Subramanian Swamy 72 from the House [Shri Sanat Kumar Raha] gressman nor a man of the left, but a typical varices about violating the discipline of independent opportunist. Whenever it is to the House, had been properly and his advantage, he takes the garb of the left adequately met by Mr. Subramanian and again when an opportunity to his Swamy, our colleague; then, this House advantage comes, he takes the garb of ultra- would have been very much happy to right. have a settlement between the parties, Sir, we should not forget the so-called 'total the complainant and the accused. I revolution' under the leadership of Jayaprakash would also like to say that Mr. Swamy Narayan. We should not forget all these things. did not take any opportunity to assert As a multi-class—based organisation, and his position, to defend his case and to Society we have, we sometimes forget our appear personally despite repeated in class relations also. So the problem is there. structions and appeals to him to come How can we have our own direction correct in before the Committee and establish politics? Such things have occurred and will his case. It is also a fact that he occur again in future in the field of politics. So wrote big letters to the Secretary- I think the House should exercise 'its proper General of the House. From those let authority to discipline its Members, ters, we do not find that he categori irrespective of any personality. Now, Krishan cally challenged those charges against Kant and Tyagiji, a Jan Sangh leader and an him, especially charges of his being ex-Congress leader, both are moving an involved in anti-India campaigns amendment to the Motion of the Leader of the abroad as well as inside the country. House. Sir, it is true that science or history is no respector of any person or any so- SHRI OMPRAKASH TYAGI: What about called dignity of a personality. It is CPI and Congress? more so when political science is such SHRI SANAT KUMAR RAHA: You will a cruel thing to human behaviour that have your chance to speak against the CPI. Sir, political people are always self-expos when I go through the main Motion, I do not ed in the field of politics. So it is see whether Krishan Kant's amendment is sub- amusing for me to note that today stantive or not. The Motion says: Krishan Kant, previously a very radi cal speaker in the Congress benches, ..Rajya Sabha accept the findings of the has taken the brief in defence of Jan Committee that the conduct of Shri Swamy is derogatory to the dignity of the House and its Sangh ___ members, and inconsistent with the standards SHRI SARDAR AMJAD ALI (West which the House expects from its members..." Bengal): Say "he was in the Congress". SHRI SANAT KUMAR RAHA: Yes. he There are eight charges against him. But was a leader in the Congress, and sometimes Krishan Kant's amendment refers only to three he was speaking so radically that when I came charges, mainly charge No. 3. It is the opinion to the House first in 1972, I was, to speak the of Krishan Kant "that ground No. (3) in the said truth, very much interested in listening to his report for the expulsion of Shri Subramanian speeches. He spoke radically and was more Swamy does not warrant any action against him ultra-left than the CPI (M). But according to and directs that Shri Subramanian Swamy be Marxism, sometimes ultra-left and ultra-right present in the House on the first day of the next have their common ground of reaction. This session to explain his position regarding has been proved. So I say that science or grounds Nos I and 2 contained in the Report." history is no respecter of anybody. So this This is a tepid defence, rather a lukewarm science in respect of this House, of the Indian defence^ Congress politics or of the Indian left politics, has not respected anybody. Krishan Kant himself has been exposed before this House. Though he was in the Congress, today he is neither a Con- 73 Re expulsion of [ 15 NOV. 1976 ] Shri Subramanian Swamy 74 from the House Instead of expressing any repen-tence, he and asks in defence: Please give me these is putting up a tepid defence. The Committee papers. Which are those papers? He has asked has already decided that these charges are for so many papers such as London Times, of technical nature, they are not substantial Guardian, Economist, New York Times, enough and should not be taken seriously. At Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Denver its seventh meeting held on November 12, Post, India Abroad, Toronto Star and Wash- 1976, the Committee considered and ington Star. All these are interested in the adopted the report. The Committee had work of destabilisation. Not only earlier examined all the materials destabilisation, but they propagate the theory including the documents placed before it. of Dr. Kissinger. What do these papers say? The Committee was of the view that in They say that if Mahatma Gandhi were coming to its conclusion, it was not so much alive, he would have been in the prisons of concerned with the abstract technical and Indira Gandhi. This is what they have said. legal niceties. The Committee was concern- All these media including the Public ed with the work and conduct of Shri Swamy, Broadcasting System of USA are the friends whether he has acted in a manner worthy of of the socalled friends of India Society.

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