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2013 World Dance Preview with PJ Kwong The Skating Lesson Podcast Transcript TSL: 2013 World Championships Ice Dance Preview with PJ Kwong Jenny Kirk: Hello, and welcome to The Skating Lesson Podcast! I’m Jennifer Kirk, a former US ladies competitor and a three-time world team member. David Lease: I’m David Lease. I’m a figure skating blogger and a current adult skater. Now today, we are absolutely thrilled to have Canadian journalist and announcer PJ Kwong on the podcast. PJ recently had the temerity to compare Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir to fine cheddar and discuss Meryl and Charlie as being Kraft singles. And we’d love to discuss all of it with PJ today here on our preview of the 2013 World Figure Skating Championships about to be held in London, Ontario. [PJ Kwong joins podcast] Jenny: So, PJ, after Four Continents, with kind of a controversial competition in the dance event with the Americans and the Canadians, you wrote on your blog – you compared the two teams to each other. And you said that the program components and the technical elements were very similar in terms of – it could go either way. But you said not the choreography – you said, “regardless of the result, the difference between Virtue and Moir’s Carmen and Davis and White’s Notre Dame programs are like comparing a fine old cheddar cheese to Kraft slices. Both are yummy, both have their place, but one is definitely finer than the other.” Elaborate. What do you mean by that because I just – I would say Kraft singles and cheddar cheese – I mean, they’re in two different places in the grocery store! Like – I mean that seems a very, you know, big difference. So, let’s hear your opinions on it. Dave: That was shocking from a Canadian! PJ Kwong: Do you know, what was so interesting was that, the fact that I had a fan actually sent me a long letter saying that they found it to be highly insulting. So I wrote them back, and I said, “actually, as a single mother of three, I would not have survived motherhood without Kraft slices to be honest.” So I really do think of them both as ____. So Kraft slices to me are very ordinary, they’re pedestrian. You’re right – they are in one place in the grocery store. And then a fine old cheddar is going to be someplace else that’s a little bit more refined and a little bit more finer. When I look at Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir and Meryl Davis and Charlie White, I see two outstanding dance teams. When you put those two short dances together, to me, it’s – it’s splitting hairs. I don’t know which way to go when you put the two short dances together. If we had Die Fledermaus this year and Carmen this year, we’re talking apples and apples. I don’t happen to believe that the program that Meryl and Charlie have for their free dance is anything particularly unusual or original. I’ve seen it before, and I’ve seen much better from them. And because they are as strong as they are, I just think that they’re capable of much more. It’s a very ordinary program to my mind. Now when I look at the concept and the choreography, so this is Notre Dame de Paris, he is supposed to be the hunchback of Notre Dame. He’s supposed to look a little bit more tortured. He doesn’t appear tortured to me. So if you’re gonna use a program or a body of music – not a body of music – but a piece of music that personifies, sorry, conjures up an image of something, then you’d better deliver on the image as far as I’m concerned. That’s my thing. So when we flip it against Carmen, Carmen is the perfect presentation of that theme. So that’s why – that’s where my apples and oranges comes in. I think that both teams truly are outstanding. But I think in this case, you know, whenever like the short dance at the Four Continents, Tessa and Scott won the short dance by 0.44. I mean, really, you can’t get any tighter than these two teams. But this year, the free dances, for me – they’re not the same. So… Jenny: I was going to say, it’ll be interesting also to see the event in Canada, how that plays into the crowd. I didn’t mean to cut you off… PJ: No, not at all! Jenny: Dave, what are your opinions on the two free dances? How do you think they stack up? Dave: Well, I think it’s interesting that PJ wants to see Die Fledermaus, because it lost to Tessa and Scott last year. With it, they preferred Tessa and Scott. Well, it’s Tessa – what kind of cheese when Tessa Virtue channels Audrey Hepburn for the seventeenth time? What kind of cheese is that, I want to know? But no, I think that… PJ: Do you think that she’s done Audrey Hepburn before? Dave: I think that Tessa gives off a vibe – we knew that she loved Audrey Hepburn without her even skating it. And I think that last year, people kind of were like, “again?” You know, like, because they had done – where Tessa’s very regal. Which is why I love Carmen this year. I was so excited to see Tessa groping herself. And I think that it was so shocking! Like, Tessa Virtue was in lily white at the Olympics, and she looks like that girl who has everything organized in her room with a white carpet. You know, I just imagine everything being perfect. So to see her being Carmen is really shocking. I think Carmen loses me in the middle a little bit where the music changes. And that’s one thing about – I personally – Tessa is exquisite. She has the extensions that Meryl can never dream of having. I think Meryl and Charlie have come so far since 2010, and I think that if you were going to make that comment about cheese in 2010, I would agree with you a hundred and tenfold when comparing Phantom of the Opera to Mahler. I think – never gonna have Tessa’s extension – I think that they have a little bit more power throughout the program which, to me, Tessa and Scott have never looked as physically prepared or – I know that she has a chronic leg issue. And they’ve never looked as well trained as Meryl and Charlie have. And I think that they just win kind of on speed. Their combination spin is a little bit faster than Tessa and Scott’s, and to me, I wonder about Tessa’s health. I mean, she’s had chronic leg issues, and they’ve never seemed to have that same momentum that they had in 2010 when they were – you just knew that if they put down that long program, it was tens crossing the board. So to me, I think the program – I think Carmen is brilliant. And I love the beginning, I love the end. I preferred the old lift at the end, when she was standing on him – it was so dramatic. But I understand that they had lift, you know, timing issues. The middle section loses it when they go into the footwork sequence. It gets a little bit – it loses the momentum of the program, and to me, that’s the only difference because I was such a fan of it. But I have to say, we have never seen Tessa and Scott perform Carmen perfectly. They had a little bit of stumbles in the beginning of the year, and I think a lot of people wonder, you know, can Meryl and Charlie win in Canada? There’s judges home court advantage, but if Tessa and Scott actually performed Carmen to its maximum at the world championships, I think that could be an entirely different ballgame because we’ve never seen them deliver it completely to its… PJ: I didn’t mean to interrupt, but I – I’m basing my ideas on everybody skating perfectly. If Meryl and Charlie had skated Die Fledermaus perfectly last year, they would have been world champions. Truly. They lost it because it was not perfection. That free dance, though, was absolutely sensational. When they’re able to really demonstrate that in a free dance program, I love it. I just – I buy into it completely. And I think that – again, I think that they’re sensational ice dancers. There’s not – I would love nothing more than to see everybody skate well at worlds across the board. That would be a dream as far as I’m concerned. I think that if Tessa and Scott pare down the free dance a little bit so that they’re not compromising the speed and flow, because I absolutely see your point, Dave – if they pare it down slightly for worlds but still deliver that kind of raw intensity, if both teams skate well, I think it’s Tessa and Scott’s is what I think. Jenny: What did you think, PJ? Dave, you mentioned some of the leg injuries that Tessa has been bothered by. What did you think about them stopping in that program? It was kind of – we didn’t know what was going on. Dave and I did the Four Continents recap show, we thought maybe she had breathing problems, nobody really knew and then it came out that she did have leg cramps.
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