Popular Historian GARY ALLEN An Exclusive Interview With The Leading Authority On Trilateralism

by John Rees

• WHILE majoring in history at Stan­ Foreign Relations and the Trilateral ford University, Gary Allen became Commission. Mr. Allen's commentar­ involved in "power-structure research" ies appear regularly in American on the U.S. banking and corporate Opinion magazine, of which he is a elites and their roles in shaping the contributing editor. His nine books in­ course of U.S. political and economic clude None Dare Call It Conspiracy, policies during this century. Over the with more than five million copies in last 20 years he has become the leading print. And his latest, Teddy Kennedy: authority on secretive Establishment In Over His Head, has just been pub­ organizations including the Council on lished by '76 Press (Box 2686, Seal

The Review Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 39 Beach, California 90740) at $4.95. Q. How did you become involved Q. Mr. Allen, you have been in­ in investigating the Trilateral group? vestigating and writing about the A. My interest in power-structure U.S. fm ancia:!, industrial, and polit­ research dates back long before David ical elite for nearly 20 years. In ex­ Rockefeller organized the Trilateral ' amining the inner circles of econom­ Commission in 1972. Its immediate ic power in America, particularly antecedents are the Council on Foreign the Trilateral Commission and the Relations (C,F,R.) and the Bilderber­ much older Council on Foreign Rela­ gers. The former is a secretive group tions, you were pretty much alone of American-based bankers, academ­ until recently. Then, starting with ics, and industrialists that has con­ the close of Jimmy Carter's first trolled U, S, foreign policy , since year as President, a number of arti­ Franklin Roosevelt, The latter, equally cles began appearing in mass-circu­ exclusive and secretive, is composed lation magazines raising serious of top United States and European questions about this elite and its bankers and corporate and political interest groups. Recently a mass leaders. The Council on Foreign Rela­ newsmagazine noted that George tions has been run from New York Bush's membership in the Trilateral since its founding after World War I. Commission may disqualify him in The Bilderbergers have been secretly the eyes of most rank and fileRepub­ meeting annually at plush interna­ licans. How did this change in the tional spas for the past 28 years to public's awareness of the Trilateral coordinate economic, commercial, and Commission come about? political policies. A. It has been the result of a slow The first of the post-war writers to and careful education process. We did examine the Council on Foreign Rela­ the research and laid the groundwork tions and the policies it advocated, and waited. As we did so, Jimmy Car­ promoted, and eventually turned into ter appointed a score or so of Trilater­ official U,S, policy was Dan Smoot, a!ists to the top posts in his Admin­ who published The Invisible Govern­ istration. To deny the authority of our ment in 1963, This important book was analysis, which had predicted this, be­ essentially a reference manual on the came more and more difficult. It structure of the C,F,R., listing its couldn't be ignored. Those who tried to membership, its satellite organizations, do so looked like Jimmy Durante try­ and its goals. ing to steal a circus elephant, getting The next major brea'kthrough was caught, and responding: "What ele­ developed by Don Bell, who had been phant?" publishing a newsletter for 27 years on In short: The situation became too secret arrangements and agreements obvious to ignore and people ran out of made by the international banking rationalizations. community, Bell obtained and ex-

40 The Review Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 cerpted sections of Professor Carroll of influence, nipping price competi­ Quigley's 1,450-page Tragedy And tion in the bud. Hope, a history of the first half of Q. And when was the Trilateral the Twentieth Century. Less than 100 flag first run up the pole? pages in that book deal with interna­ A. Rockefeller tapped Michael tional banking, but they proved to be Blumenthal, then chairman of the dynamite. Bendix Corporation, to bring up the Q. What was so special about the idea at the spring 1972 Bilderberger Quigley study? meeting. Since it had Rockefeller's A. Professor Quigley was a part of sponsorship, and since in those circles the Council on Foreign Relations elite. Rockefeller ha.d the authority of a He came to the group via Harvard, Pope in dealing with the Curia, it Princeton, Yale, and the Georgetown wasn't long before the Trilateral Com­ School of Foreign Service. And he was mission was in operation under Rocke­ so trusted that he was given access to feller associate Zbigniew Brzezinski. the archives of the C.F.R. Quigley Blumenthal and Brzezinski, of course, reached the conclusion, based on the were later moved into respective con­ archival material, that the interna­ trol of Treasury and National Security tional banking community was ma­ under the Carter Administration. Jim­ nipulating not only the great corpora­ my Carter got his job through the tions to which it made loans, and Trilateral Commission. whose stocks it held, but also the for­ Q. You covered the 1976 Carter eign and domestic policies of the U.S. campaign as a journalist and wrote your book Government. Jimmy Carter/Jimmy Q. Just why was the Trilateral to warn that the Carter cam­ Carter Commission formed? paign was a wholly owned Rockefel­ A. As Trilateral officials are hap­ ler subsidiary. How did all of that py to admit, the Commission was en­ work? tirely the idea of David Rockefeller, A. First, David Rockefeller began who is chairman of Chase Manhattan personally to cast about for a suitable Bank. The Trilateralists say Rockefel­ man who could be a viable candidate. ler was worried about the increasing Assorted polls tested the temper of the commercial competition between the American people as Nixon and long­ United States and the combined in­ time Rockefeller family retainer Hen­ dustries of Japan and Western Eu­ ry Kissinger prepared to abandon rope. His idea was that if the three Southeast Asia to the Communists and industrial superpowers - Japan, the open the door to Red China. When the United States, and Western Europe - Watergate scandal was sprung it be­ could form some sort of industrial came clear that David needed a credi­ cartel they could sit down quietly and ble Democrat. carve up the globe into economic areas The idea was to come up with a

The Review Of The NEWS, February .27, 1980 41 "progressive" Southern governor who key to exposure was in the hands of could sound both Conservative and David Rockefeller and his fellow "Liberal" at the ,same time and court banking insiders. both the white and black votes of the Q. SO "Jimmy Who" moved on to big city machines. By the fall of 1973, become President of the United States. Rockefeller had reduced his list to two A. What was especially interesting such candidates: Florida governor for me to watch as a journalist was the Reubin Askew and former Georgia way in which the major media, partic­ governor Jimmy Carter. They were in­ ularly Time magazine, promoted Car­ vited to dine with David Rockefeller ter. After Time devoted a flattering and Trilateral administrator Zbigniew 1971 cover photo to him as a progres­ Brzezinski at Rockefeller's Tarrytown, sive Southern governor, it used that New York, estate. Jimmy Carter got cover photo in all of .Time 's ads in the nod soon afterward. other magazines through 1975. Time's As Zbigniew Brzezinski later put it reports on the Carter campaign were so in an interview: "We [he and David adulatory that they could scarcely be Rockefeller] were impressed with Car­ differentiated from the campaign's ter." What impressed them was not his own literature. And heavy promotion independence. was going on at a time when polls Q. But I remember that even showed only five percent of registered former governor Terry Sanford Democrats favored Carter for the made an abortive try for the Presi­ nomination. If that sounds to you like dential nomination during this pe­ a replay of. what is happening with riod. Why did Askew and Sanford George Bush, another Trilateralist, fail where Jimmy Carter succeeded? you are catching on. A. Apparently Rockefeller and . Q. What does the Trilateral Brzezinski thought Carter was more group do? That is, what function reliable. Carter showed overwhelming does it serve? ambition. And he was possessed of the A. The purpose of the Trilateral kind of ruthlessness that David and Commission, and also of the larger his friends understand. This made and older Council on Foreign Relations him vulnerable. It included conniving and Bilderberger groups, is to use con­ with his own personal banker, Bert centrated wealth to exert world power. Lance, to funnel the money of bank The individuals involved are the most depositors into the Carter peanut busi­ influential of all the "old boy" net­ ness and into the bank accounts of works outside .the Soviet Union and Lance associates and family mem­ Red China. bers, to finance Caiter's campaign The Trilateralists made their objec­ while waiting for matching federal tive very clear in their 1974 report funds. The illegalities were enough to called "The Crisis of Democracy." Let send the whole gang to jail. And the me quote for you some of this re-

The R�view Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 43 markable document produced by the our democratic republic "is only one organization to which President Car­ way of constituting authority, and it is ter, Vice President Mondale, Zbigniew not necessarily a universally applica­ Brzezinski, and George Bush all belong. ble one. In many situations, the claims The Trilateral report defined the of expertise, seniority, experience and "predominant trends" that started in special talents may override the claims the 1960s. It expressed alarm at "the of democracy as a way of constituting challenging of the authority of estab­ authority .... The arenas where lished political, social, and economic democratic procedures are appropriate institutions, increased popular partic­ are, in short, limited." ipation in and control over those in­ Q. Isn't that reminiscent of the stitutions, [and) a reaction against the arguments of hereditary aristocra­ concentration of power of Congress cies or even the Communist Polit­ and of state and local government." buro? Q. In other words, the Trilateral­ A. Precisely, only they would es­ ists are afraid that the voters are no tablish an aristocracy or Politburo of longer so apathetic that they will technocrats selected by the top finan­ indifferently accept whatever their cial managers and Establishment in­ "betters" cast down on them? siders. The key to fulfillment of their A. That's the inescapable conclu­ plans for centralized power is that sion. The same report bewailed in­ they must first find a way to get us to creased citizen participation in public surrender our liberties in the name of affairs because the government, some common threat or crisis. The "short of a cataclysmic crisis," now foundations, educationaL institutions, has "little ability to impose on its and research think-tanks supported by people the sacrifices which may be members of the Trilateral Commis­ necessary to deal with foreign-policy sion and Council on Foreign Relations problems and defense." oblige by financing so-called "studies" They seem to have forgotten that in which are then used to justify their a real crisis, if we have a leader really every excess. The excuses vary but the trying to do what is right for our target is always individual liberty. Our country and ourselves, it is not neces­ liberty. sary to "impose" anything. We volun­ Control necessitates a static society. tarily do what is necessary. A growing, competitive, and free so­ These top-level financial and polit­ ciety gives new people a chance to ical managers are very big on imposing make their fortune and replace some this and that to deal with one created of those already at the top. So legisla­ crisis after another. They see our rep­ tion is promoted to restrict entrepre­ resentative government as the cause neurial effort and tax away capital of the "problems of governance." In accumulations not protected in the fact this Trilateral report asserts that tax-free foundations of the Estab-

The Review Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 45 lishment insiders. Every effort is "unusual circumstances, " the assur­ made to press medium-size business to ance "to the government [of] the right the �all and allow it to be swallowed and the ability to withhold informa­ up by the Establishment giants. This tion at the source, " "mo ving promptly sort of thing covers a broad range. to reinstate the law of libel as a neces­ Another response has been to finance sary and appropriate check upon the campaigns for birth coritrol - not for abuses of power by the press, " and poverty-stricken Third World coun­ press councils enforcing "standards of tries that can't feed themselves, but professionalism, " the "alternative [to for Middle Americans. Their hostility which] could well be regulation by the fo; the private car, that assures our government. " freedom of mobility, is legendary. And what do they do if someone wants Remember, my friend, these are to build a business, open a new mine, formal Trilateral proposals. develop ·competing petroleum re­ Q. That part about "press coun­ sources, build vacation houses, and so cils" to control journalists and their forth? Why there's a foundation­ publications is a real shocker to me. funded ecology group shouting and Last October I heard the Washing­ filing subsidized lawsuits to block the ton correspondent for the official So­ development. viet Government newspaper Iz vestia Q. This seems almost incredible. deliver a commentary over taxpay­ What is the quality of the evidence? er-funded National Public Radio A. Let me continue to quote the recommending precisely such a conclusions of that Trilateral Com­ body. But then, haven't there been mission report I cited earlier. The rec­ charges that what the Trilateralists omm endations this group proposed "to and Council on Foreign Relations in­ restore a more equitable relationship tend is their own version of socialism between governmental authority and - that they seek state control over popular control" include the follow­ the economy and over broad areas of ing. I quote: people's lives that now are a matter of individual choice? • centralized economic and social A. Yes, this super-elite of interna­ pianninf{: tional bankers and multinational busi­ • centralization of power within ness executives and their aides and Conf{ress staff do promote socialism. This is • a prOf{ram to lower the job the appar:ent contradiction that de­ expectations of those who receive a col­ ceives many Americans. After all, if lef{e education; businessmen and bankers are the • such limitations on freedom of the mainstays of our Free Enterprise sys­ press as "prior restraint " of what news­ tem, how can the biggest and most papers may publish in unspecified important of them support socialism?

The Review Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 47 Ideological Marxists have their own tion of cartels and monopolies to con­ problems understanding this. The Red trol world finance, markets, and nat­ idealogues usually convince them­ ural resources. The Communists, led selves that ultimately, after a period by the Soviet Union, have basically of great social pain and revolution, identical goals on the level of world socialism will be proved to be a hu­ power. What is more natural than for manitarian system that abolishes pov­ the Western monopolists to divvy up erty, work, illness, crime, and what­ these spheres with the Communist ever else is on their list of social ills. monopolists of the East? There is a But the fact is that socialism is only a great deal more to it than that, but I system for control, and the members think I've made my point. of the Establishment elite operating Q. Getting back to the domestic out of New York and Washington un­ machina tions of this elite, Mr. Allen, derstand socialism much better than I note you have written that mem­ do the Marxists. bers of this international financial The believing Marxists have always gang have for years controlled the joined in supporting Big Government giant banking firms, the U.S. Fed­ because they understand that it leads eral Reserve, and the U.S. Treasury . .to socialism. Yet their Welfare and A. Right. regulation programs have been pushed Q. Is that why we have such ter­ through ' Congress with the full back­ rible economic problems? We have ing of the Establishment. This has double-digit inflation; unemploy­ occurred because the Establishment ment rises as goods we use are more insiders ' know that socialism is not a and more produced abroad; our humanitarian system for redistribut­ money is flowing overseas more and ing wealth, but a system for concen­ more, not just for oil, but to buy all ' trating wealth and controlling people. sorts of other goods; older Ameri- Socialism is nothing more or less than cans living on fixed incomes and on a power system - a power system with savings are being wiped out. What is quasi-mystical .and demonstrably going on? false philosophical premises. A. First, inflation has been a con­ The suggestions of the Trilateral scious policy of all the Presidential report, "The Crisis of Democracy," Administrations - Republican and are just about the most cultured and Democratic - since Franklin Roose­ genteel p'roposals for socialist dicta­ velt took us off the gold standard. A torship I've ever seen. Lenin, Hitler, gold standard puts strong limitations Stalin, and Mao are illiterate boors by on the financial manipulations of the comparison. bankers. A central bank like the Fed­ The great international bankers and eral Reserve cannot print or coin more industrialists do not favor co�peti­ gold than it has on hand. It can't tion . What they favor is the forma- finance huge federal deficits simply

The Review Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 49 by running the printing plants over­ These and a few smaller U.S.-based time. private transnational banks had by the For years the managers of the cen­ beginning of the Carter Administra­ t-ral bank advocated outright demon­ tion loaned more than $52 billion to etization of gold and its total replace­ Third World and some Communist ment with "special drawing rights" by countries, many of which were already the International Monetary Fund. This having a hard time paying just the was to be a worldwide paper currency interest, let alone the principal. So the that was really based on records in the Trilateralists demanded, and got, an I.M.F.'s computer. In order to imple­ "overhauled" International Monetary ment this new medium of internation­ Fund, subsidized for the most part by al trade, it became necessary to down­ the American taxpayer, which would grade the dollar. As inflation destroys lend money to these deadbeat Third the value of the U.S. dollar, you and I World countries to allow them to meet lose because everything costs more. their obligations to the big banks. And, But the big commercial banks and the of course, the money injected into the central banks win with more and more I.M.F. to do this is paid for by still of this legal counterfeiting because more and more domestic inflation. they are at the very top of the infla­ Q. How did the Trilateralists tionary heap. They make the funny push that one through Congress? money. They control which govern­ A. Early in 1977 they created a new ments and businesses get the loans, lobbying organization called New Di­ and at what interest. Our salary and rections. The man set to be responsible wage increases, our pension or Social for its initial organizing was the Rev­ Security "cost of living" increases, erend Theodore Hesburgh, chairman never come fast enough to get ahead of the Rockefeller Foundation, presi­ of inflation. It's a fixed race. dent of Notre Dame University, and a Q. You mentioned the leadership member of the American Committee of David Rockefeller of Chase Man­ on East-West Accord that pushes cred­ hattan in international banking and it sales of our technology to the Com­ as founder of the Trilateral Commis­ munists. Hesburgh and two other very sion. The new Federal Reserve chair­ prominent Carter Administration Tri­ man, Paul Volcker, is a Trilateralist lateralists, Secretary of State Vance and long-time Chase Manhattan ex­ and chief Arms Control negotiator ecutive. What is the relationship of Paul Warnke, helped set up the New the Trilateralists to international Directions lobbying for the Trilateral lending institutions like the I.M.F.? program to expand international lend­ A. The Big Five New York City ing institutions and markedly increase banks are all run by members of the economic development assistance for C.F.R. and the Trilateral Commission. Third World countries. Those loans of

The Review Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 Sl computer-tape "money" are a big rea­ they have been pledging their gold for son that inflation is now rampant currency loans rather than selling it. around the world. Italy and also Portugal did this recently. Q. If the Trilateralists and their Q. What about imports and the fr iends have been so intent on de­ deficits in our balance of payments? monetizing gold, why has the price A. If you want to understand that, taken off and remained in the range look at where David Rockefeller is of $600-$700 an ounce? putting investments. They are not A. The bankers, especially the cen­ being placed in the United States. The tral bankers, have always hated gold Trilateralists are quite happy to see because it is a strong check on infla­ the industrial capability of the United tion. But they make their money by States run down, stultify, and col­ lending money at interest. Paper bank­ lapse. They have already said that notes originally were issued by indi­ they see the future role of America vidual banks based on collateral, such not as a great manufacturing nation as a house or farm, pledged as security but as providing services and raising for a loan. Now we must deal with the food. In other words, what America unlimited inflationary capacity of the will have for sale is skilled labor, new U.S. Government. It causes inflation technological designs, and agricultural by massive deficit spending that is . products. financed by the sale of special bonds Q. Do you think there is any rela­ to the Federal Reserve, which then tionship between the Carter Admin­ prints paper money based on these istration's attacks on countries such paper "assets." As a result of this as Brazil, South Africa, the Repub­ escalating process the dollar is worth lic of China on Taiwan, and Argen­ less and less every year. tina and the Trilateral cartel-type A lot of Arabian sheiks and the programs? governments of oil-producing coun­ A. Carter's bizarre "human rights" tries found their own assets, namely policies have been used as the pretext millions of U.S. dollars, were losing to cut off sales of capital goods such value. One of the things they did to as machine tools, nuclear power-plant protect themselves was to start buying reactor technology, fuel, and equip­ gold. After all, why should the Saudis ment to those countries. All of them exchange their oil asset for U.S. paper are rising industrial powers with fast­ assets of steadily declining value? growing manufacturing capabilities. They are now buying gold - which All four of the countries you name are runs up the price of depreciating dol­ more or less currently dependent on oil lars. Even the European and Japanese imports to fuel their industries. Nu­ central banks have gone back to treat­ clear power plants would obviously ing their gold reserves as the real store make them more independent and of value. When strapped for funds, would give them a greatly increased

The Review Of The NEWS, February 27, 1980 53 industrial capacity. Since the Trilat­ "Liberal" media are building up Bush eral Commission is a coalition of and Carter while tripping up Reagan, Japan, Western Europe, and the U.S. Crane, Kennedy, and others. against the rest of the non-Commu­ Q. ,W hy would the Trilateralists nist world, .I have no doubt that their and David Rockefeller back Carter analysts and strategists, David 'Rocke­ and Bush as Presidential candidates feller and the men at the top, are over, say, Teddy Kennedy or Senator attempting to strangle future com- . Jackson or Ronald Reagan? petitors in the cradle. A. They want a candidate who is South Africa is an especially tough indebted only to themselves. They and independent nut to crack. It is the have always shunned candidates who largest source of gold for the Free speak for other identifiable constitu­ World and the source of many strate­ encies and would be exposed by turn­ gic minerals. If the government there ing against those constituencies. Sena­ can be destroyed through the Carter tor Kennedy is the heir to the Far Left Administration, or a future Bush Ad­ wing of the Democratic Party that ministration, and if some sort of previously supported Eugene Mc­ Marxist black Government is installed Carthy and George McGovern. Sena­ by the Western powers or the Soviets; tor Jackson has an identifiable labor you can bet that mismanagement or and defense industry constituency. policy will virtually cut off produc­ Reagan's Conservative constituency tion of gold, leaving the U.S.S.R. as would block his every move in the the chief world supplier. House and Senate if he were overtly to Q. Why would the Trilateralists begin running with the detente and back both Jimmy Carter and George disarmament crowd. Bush in the same election? Is this Q. Why have Reagan and Con­ like the local businessman who nally begun attacking the Trilateral sends $100 to both the Democratic Commission? and Republican candidate for Con­ A. The candidates campaigning gress in an effort to assure access? for the Presidency do not lead their A. No, what you have is an elite audiences, they follow them and ap­ that has offered the American people peal to public opinion. With more and a choice of two candidates, both be­ more public awareness of the influ­ holden to them, for at least two gener­ ence being wielded by the power elite, ations. The exception to that rule it is good politics to raise questions was the case of Senator Barry Gold­ ab'but its role. This is fine, because it water in 1964 . Employing their influ­ increases the likelihood that the candi­ ence in the mass media, the Establish­ dates of the other American constitu­ ment depicted Goldwater as some sort encies will also reject C.F.R. and Tri­ of war-mad maniac and totally buried latera list overtures and work to reduce him. Currently those same controlled their control over U.S. policy .••

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