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Wednesday Volume 611 15 June 2016 No. 13 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 15 June 2016 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2016 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1739 15 JUNE 2016 1740 House of Commons Boycott and Divestment Guidance 2. Deidre Brock (Edinburgh North and Leith) (SNP): Wednesday 15 June 2016 What representations he has received on his Department’s boycott and divestment guidance. [905409] The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock The Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster General (Matthew Hancock): We have received a wide range of representations about boycotts in public PRAYERS procurement. The Government’s position is very clear: public sector organisations should not use procurement to run their own independent foreign policies. [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] Deidre Brock: Does the Minister agree that people who stand for election to local authorities and who then serve as councillors perform an important role in Oral Answers to Questions communities the length and breadth of these islands, and does he further agree that they should be trusted to make political judgments for themselves? Will the Government abandon the boycott and divestment guidance CABINET OFFICE in favour of supporting local democracy? The Minister for the Cabinet Office was asked— Matthew Hancock: Yes, I think councillors do an excellent job at what councils are meant to do, but Government Estate councils are not meant to set foreign policy, and attempts at local foreign policies that are discriminatory are 1. Sir Henry Bellingham (North West Norfolk) (Con): potentially illegal, and we make that clear at every What progress his Department is making on the creation opportunity. of a more modern and efficient government estate. [905408] Mr David Hanson (Delyn) (Lab): Was it wrong for my local authority to boycott South African goods in the The Minister without Portfolio (Robert Halfon): My 1970s? hon. Friend will be pleased to know that since 2015 the Government estate strategy has ensured that running Matthew Hancock: Where a national boycott is in costs have fallen by £750 million. We have raised some place and where a national decision has been made, £1.8 billion in council receipts and reduced the estate local authorities should of course follow that, but these size by nearly a quarter. This is a huge achievement and decisions are rightly for the Foreign Office and not for in terms of space it makes the UK Government one of local authorities; the country cannot be run by having the most efficient organisations in the world. hundreds of different foreign policies. Sir Henry Bellingham: I thank the Minister for that Tommy Sheppard (Edinburgh East) (SNP): I think reply and congratulate him and his team on the work that, not for the first time, the Government are looking they have done. Given that the estate has been reduced at this through the wrong end of the telescope. Rather by nearly a quarter since 2010, is it not crucial that as than try to prevent local authorities from taking ethical much of this land as possible is used for new housing, and environmental considerations into account when especially given that quite a bit of it is going to be making decisions, surely the Government should, as the brownfield? Scottish Government do, encourage local authorities to do so—or does the Minister really believe that council Robert Halfon: My hon. Friend, as so often, hits the tax payers’ money should be used to prop up oppressive nail on the head. A huge Government programme has regimes and support unlawful activity throughout the ensured that available public sector land is used to build world? more houses for our country. Matthew Hancock: I find it surprising that the Scottish Andrew Gwynne (Denton and Reddish) (Lab): A 2010 National party engages in and supports discrimination report suggested that to end the London magnet we had of this kind. We should trade with the world, except to move more top civil servant jobs out of the capital where a boycott decision has been made at a national and into the regions. How are the Government getting level. The idea that we should discriminate against on with that aim? companies with which we otherwise have a good trading relationship is wrong. Robert Halfon: The Government are getting on very well with it: the number of civil servant buildings in central London has gone down hugely. We have created Permanent Secretaries: Diversity hundreds of thousands of jobs all over the country— 95,000 new jobs in the last year in the north of England 3. Vicky Foxcroft (Lewisham, Deptford) (Lab): What alone—and what matters is what kinds of jobs we are recent assessment he has made of diversity among creating and how many people are being employed. permanent secretaries in the civil service. [905410] 1741 Oral Answers15 JUNE 2016 Oral Answers 1742 The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Mr Oliver Opposition spokesman—[Laughter.] I would like to Letwin): I am afraid that following an outstanding point out to the Opposition spokesperson that we draw permanent secretary’s move from Whitehall to become permanent secretaries from the pool of directors general. chief executive of Ofcom there are no permanent secretaries If we are to draw on that talent, we have to encourage from BAME communities at present. However, 20% of more women to be directors general. As I have said, I permanent secretaries are women, which is higher than am glad that the percentage of women directors general the figure for 2010 of 17.5% and much higher than the is now up to 37%. We would like to get up to 50% or figure for 2005 of 8%, but clearly it is still considerably beyond, and as we do so we will have the talent from too low and we have a great deal more work to do to which to draw into the permanent secretary ranks, make sure we are drawing on a talent pool that reflects which is obviously where we want women of talent to the nation as a whole. end up. Vicky Foxcroft: In 2011, for the first time, 50% of Government Offices: London permanent secretaries were female. Since then, and since the Prime Minister took control, the glass ceiling 4. David Mackintosh (Northampton South) (Con): has been painstakingly reassembled. If he cannot be What progress his Department is making on reducing trusted to appoint women, is it not about time we the number of Government offices in London. [905411] introduced some positive discrimination? The Minister without Portfolio (Robert Halfon): The Mr Letwin: The hon. Lady refers to a brief moment Government’s direction of travel is ensuring value for during which, because of appointments already in place money for the taxpayer and value for money overall. and new appointments being made, there was a spike, The Government Property Unit is working closely with and we would very much like to see that replicated on a the Departments to reduce the Government estate from long-term basis. We have appointed a range of women around 800 buildings to closer to 200 by 2023. The permanent secretaries in the past few months, and I am number of Government offices in London has fallen glad to be able to tell the hon. Lady that we are doing a from 181 in 2010 to just 54 today, and we will seek to great deal to ensure that the pool from which we draw reduce it to about 20 by 2025. the permanent secretaries—directors general—is improving significantly, in that 37% of our directors general are David Mackintosh: Does my right hon. Friend agree women. We are seeking to move that further forward, that, wherever possible, all taxpayer-funded bodies should and we need to see this happening throughout the consider relocating outside central London to save money? senior civil service. Will he write to the Independent Parliamentary Standards Sue Hayman (Workington) (Lab): According to Leonard Authority with that suggestion? Cheshire Disability, only 4.5% of senior civil servants Robert Halfon: If I did not know my hon. Friend are disabled. What are the Government doing to ensure better, I would think that he was bidding for IPSA’s that disability is not impeding disabled people in the headquarters to be located in Northampton South. All civil service from reaching the highest levels? Will the I will say to him is: be careful what you wish for. I note Minister review the Government’s policies and keep that Northamptonshire has led the way by being the the House updated on his efforts to improve the first area in the country to announce plans to bring its employment prospects of disabled people in the civil police and fire services together in a shared estate. service? Mr Letwin: The hon. Lady is right. As a matter of Mr Gregory Campbell (East Londonderry) (DUP): fact, the situation is even slightly worse than she suggests. The Minister mentioned the value-for-money approach. The percentage of disabled senior civil servants—or, at Does he agree that it would be better if Government any rate, of senior civil servants who have registered offices were spread across the United Kingdom? Given themselves as disabled in staff surveys—is only 3.4%. the value-for-money approach we take in Northern That is much too low, and it reflects the fact that we Ireland, would he consider Northern Ireland as a location? have not yet been able to remove all the barriers that we need to remove.