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SA-GENEALOGIE Poslys Jaargang VIII Maand 7 Saamgestel Deur SA-GENEALOGIE Poslys Argiewe 2011 Jaargang VIII Maand 7 Julie 2011 Saamgestel deur: Pieter L van der Merwe KWYTSKELDING Hierdie argief is nie ’n amptelike, wetlike dokument nie, maar ’n samestelling van die e-posse van verskillende lede van die SA Genealogie Gesprekslys soos dit gedurende die tydperk ingestuur was. Die lyseienaars en hulle bestuurspan aanvaar dus geen aanspreeklikheid vir die korrektheid van gegewens, sienings oor bepaalde gebeure, interpretasie en samestelling van familieverwantskappe, of vir enige aksies of verlies wat daaruit mag voortspruit nie, en stel voor dat persone wat hierdie bron gebruik, self eers die gegewens kontroleer. Julie 2011 Bundels (Hooymaand) Onderwerp: [SA-Gen] Bundel Nommer 4829 Datum: Fri Jul 1, 2011 Daar is 17 boodskappe in hierdie uitgawe Onderwerpe in hierdie bundel: 1a. Re: Wilant, Van Herwaerden en eerste pare stamouers From: Jan Visagie 1b. Re: Wilant, Van Herwaerden en eerste pare stamouers From: Rassie 2. NAB opsoek groot seblief From: anita slabbert 3a. Familysearch afbeeldings From: Viljoen, HC 3b. Re: Familysearch afbeeldings From: Vivian 4. SA Gen forum lede From: Sunelia Heath 5a. Indeks Doopouers George 1813-1825 From: Caren Louw 5b. Indeks Doopouers George 1813-1825, beelde 11 - 20 From: Caren Louw 5c. Indeks Doopouers George 1813-1825, beelde 21 - 30 From: Caren Louw 5d. Indeks Doopouers George 1813-1825, beelde 31 - 40 From: Caren Louw 6a. Re: KERK REGISTER SKAKELS - stander-vermeulen-viljoen-swart- crafford From: Kingsley's 6b. KERK REGISTER SKAKELS - stander-vermeulen-viljoen-swart- crafford-vd From: Kingsley's 6c. Re: KERK REGISTER SKAKELS - stander-vermeulen-viljoen-swart- crafford From: Louis Hurn 7a. ROOS en OBERHOLZER Grafte in Brits distrik From: Trysie Joubert 7b. Trysie Joubert From: Peet Joubert 8. NG Kerk Registers: Foto's - NOG SKAKELS MET GEMEENTE NAME From: Annelie Els 9. NUWE BRON: OU STAATSKOERANTE From: Daniel Jacobs 1a. Re: Wilant, Van Herwaerden en eerste pare stamouers Posted by: "Jan Visagie" [email protected] Fri Jul 1, 2011 3:58 am (PDT) Beste Helena, Rassie en ander lede wat belangstel Ek begryp dat julle gesprek hier meer oor die eerste stammoeders en kinders aan die Kaap handel en ek vind dit ook baie interessant en bruikbaar. Ek wil tog net daaraan herinner dat die stamvader (vanaf Antwerpen) van die Visagies (soms in heel vroeë dokumente gespel "Fisasies" wat ‘n aanduiding is van hoe dit uitgespreek is en dikwels nog vandag uitgespreek word) by die VOC in Zeeland aangesluit het en by Wielingen op 10 Desember 1654 aan boord van die jag Koudekerken gegaan het. Hierdie jag (tesame met ‘n vloot ander skepe) van maar net 200 ton het drie en ‘n halwe maande later op 2 April 1655 in die Kaapse hawe anker gegooi. Pieter Visagie het sedert daardie dag aan die Kaap gewoon en was een van die vroeë Vryburgers. Hy is egter eers op 21/6/1671 getroud, naamlik met Catharina Kiens(t) van die stad Veere in Zeeland. Hulle eerste kind was ‘n seun, Guilliam, gedoop in Kaapstad op 25/11/1674. Dit maak Pieter Visagie waarskynlik die oudste blanke stamvader wat hier bly woon en ‘n nageslag gehad het. Catharina Kien/Kiens/Kienst het ook die stammoeder geword van een tak van die Meyers. Sy trou op 10/4/1682 met Wilhelm Meyer en later in ‘n derde huwelik met die Hugenoot (?) Martin Pouisseon oor wie baie min bekend is. Groete Jan Visagie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Helena Liebenberg Sent: 30 June 2011 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SA-Gen] Wilant, Van Herwaerden en eerste pare stamouers Hallo Rassie Na aanleiding van jou navraag haal ek die volgende aan uit G.G. Kloeke se "Herkomst en Groei van het Afrikaans" (1950): 2. Bernert Willemsz Wilant, zoon van de ziekentrooster Willem Barentz Wiland ("cousijn" van Van der Stael). Dit is gedoopt 17 Augustus 1653 "out sijnde jaer en tin weken", "die eerste geboren christen, die in dese voortresse geboren is". Wilant heeft de Kaap in 1656 verlaten (Stichter 138). 5. Reinier Hindericksz Boom, zoon van hendrick Hendriks Boom van de Overtoom en Annetje Joris van de Overtoom. Gedoopt 24 October 1654. 6. Dirck Boom, van dezelfde ouders, gedoopt 22 October 1656. Getuigen: Jan van Riebeeck en zijn vrouw. 7, 8, 9. Op zijn minst drie kinderen van Boom, waarvan de voornamen nie allemaal bekend zijn. In Mei 1659 hadden de Booms nl. vijf kinderen. ... 10, 11, 12. Drie kinderen van het echtpaar Van der Stael-Van Riebeeck, die het blijkens de monsterrol van 1658 bezat. 20. Johanna, na de dood van de vader Jan van Herwaerden van Seventer geboren dochter van Johanna Boddijs van Doesburgh. Gedoopt 4 April 1660. Het kind kreeg Jochum Blanck als stiefvader. 21. Cornelia, dochter van W.C. MOSTERT van Utrecht en HESTER VAN LIER, gedoopt 4 April 1660. 22. Johannes, zoon van JORIS JANSZ van Amsterdam en JANNITJE FERDINANDUS van Kortrijk, gedoopt 4 April 1660. 23. Katharijn, dochter van JACOB CLOETE van Keulen en FIJTJE RADEROTJES van Uts, gedoopt 4 April 1660. 28. Dirck, zoon van ELBERT DIEMER van Emmerik, tafeldienaar van Van Riebeeck, later zwager van Gabbema en CHRISTINA DOUS van Dousburgh. Gedoopt 12 Junie 1660. 54. Coenraad, zoon van JAN COENRAAT VISSER van Ommen en GEERTJE GERRITS van Hardenberg. Gedoopt 8 April 1663 58, 59. Twee kinderen van de hottentottin Eva "die in Van Riebeeck's woning leefde". Toen zij 30 April 1662 werd gedoopt "was zijn al moeder van twee kinderen, waarvan al vader bekend stond de medicus, de onderbarbier Pieter van Meerhoff van Kopenhagen. Die name in hoofletters hierbo is in Kloeke se boek in vetdruk en dui die stamouers aan. Vriendelike groete Helena _________________________________________ 3a. Re: van Riebeeck se geselskap Posted by: "Rassie"[email protected] Date: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:57 am ((PDT)) Hallo Willeen, Jy is reg dat die gesprek reeds gevoer is. Jou inligting oor die feit dat Van Riebeeck wel later nageslag in SA nagelaat het is vir my egter nuwe inligting. Sover ek sien het ons dit egter destyds nie uitgeklaar of die eggenotes van Wijland en van Van Haerwaarden, van Jan Woutersz, van Elbert Dircqsz en van Jan Claesz Vetteman enige verdere nageslag in SA nagelaat het nie. Dit laat my gevolglik aanvaar dat die eerste SA stammoeders (in terme van wie eerste aan die Kaap was) Eva Krotoa en daarna Angela van Bengale was. Dit laat my egter ook aanvaar dat die eerste stammoeder wat hier permanent as moeder met kinders geleef het Angela van Bengale was en dat die eerste Europese stammoeder met kinders Fytje Raderootjes, vrou van Jacob Cloete was. Moontlik is it nie heeltemal korrek nie en het lede sedert die laaste gesprek moontlik nuwe inligting bekom. Daar het sedertdien ook nuwe lede bygekom wat moontlik ook oor verdere inligting beskik. Ek sal dus bly wees as iemand wat inligting het oor wat van die Wijland jongeling, van die Van Haerwaarden weduwee en kinders, en van die Dircqsz, Woutersz en Vetteman egpare geword het my daarvan kan laat weet. Sover lyk dit steeds vir my dat daar in Februarie 1658 nog steeds geen Europese stammoeder in SA was nie. Groete, Rassie ------------------------------------ SAGenealogie is ?n poslys vir die bespreking van genealogiese en genealogies-verwante aangeleenthede alleenlik, onderhewig aan die voorwaardes soos uitgespel by http://www.sagenealogie.com Lede wat aangeleenthede wil opper wat nie van 'n suiwer genealogiese aard is nie, word versoek om dit nie op die poslys te doen nie, maar dit liefs van die lys af direk aan die betrokkene te stuur. Probleme, klagtes en voorstelle vir verbetering moet gestuur word aan: [email protected] Besoek ons webblad by: http://www.sagenealogie.com http://www.sagenealogy.com Yahoo! Groups Links 1b. Re: Wilant, Van Herwaerden en eerste pare stamouers Posted by: "Rassie" [email protected] Fri Jul 1, 2011 12:06 pm (PDT) Hallo Helena en Jan, Baie dankie vir die inligting wat julle vir my gestuur het. Dit het my baie gehelp om verdere blokkies in die Kaapse legkaart in te vul. Tot dusver het ek gefokus op inligting oor die Kaap voor Van Riebeeck se aankoms. Dit was 'n goeie oefening en het baie interesante inligting opgelewer. Ek het byvoorbeeld nooit geweet dat Dias tydens 'n tweede reis na die Ooste tydens 'n storm naby die plek wat hy vroeer die Kaap van Storms genoem het in 'n storm sy lewe verloor het nie. Het ook nooit geweet dat die Portugese die eerste dorp by Plettenberg Baai opgerig het en dat hulle ook die eerste Christen kerk in SA in Mosselbaai gebou het nie. Nou fokus ek op die Kaap vanaf die landing van Van Riebeeck. Julle inligting oor wie wanneer daar was en of hulle toe weer vertrek het of aangebly het is van groot waarde vir my. Nogmaals baie dankie Helena en Jan. Blykbaar was die Kaap van die eerste jare nie 'n plek vir sissies nie en het baie persone wat aanvanklik selfs 'n leiersrol gespeel het mettertyd van die tonneel verdwyn. Byvoorbeeld, Herman Remajenne, wat een van die leier was van die eerste groep Vryburgers verdwyn ook gou uit die rekords. Wat het van hom geword? Ek sal alle inligting oor die eerste jare aan die Kaap na Van Riebeeck se landing baie waardeer. My eie Europese voorouers begin eers met Steven Jans Botma en Jacob Cloete in 1657. Oor die vyf jaar daarvoor het ek, benewens Jan se Visagie inligting en Helena se inligting oor Wilant en andere en oor Angela van Bengale wat blykbaar met man en kinders aan die Kaap was teen 1655, baie wynig inligting. Alle verdere inligting sal waardeer word.
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