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Constitution Du Canada», Publie Par by the Government on October 2, 1980 Le Gouvernement Le 2 Octobre 1980 SENATE SENAT HOUSE OF COMMONS CHAMBRE DES COMMUNES Issue No. 38 Fascicule n" 38 Thursday, January 15, 1981 Le jeudi 15 janvier 1981 Joint Chairmen: Copn!sidents: Senator Harry Hays, P.C. Senateur Harry Hays, c.p. Serge Joyal, M.P. Serge J oyal, depute Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence Proces-verbaux et temoignages of the Special Joint Committee of du Comite mixte special the Senate and of du Senat et de the House of Commons on the la Chambre des communes sur la Constitution Constitution of Canada du Canada RESPECTING: CONCERN ANT: The document entitled "Proposed Resolution for a Le document intitule «Projet de resolution portant Joint Address to Her Majesty the Queen adresse commune a Sa Majeste la Reine respecting the Constitution of Canada" published concernant la Constitution du Canada», publie par by the Government on October 2, 1980 le gouvernement le 2 octobre 1980 APPEARING: COMPARAIT: The Honourable Jean Chretien, L'honorable Jean Chretien, Minister of Justice and ministre de la Justice et Attorney General of Canada procureur general du Canada WITNESSES: TEMOINS: (See back cover) (Voir a l'endos) I First Session of the Premiere session de la Thirty-second Parliament, 1980-81 trente-deuxieme legislature, 1980-1981 29038-l SPECIAL JOINT COMMITTEE OF COMITE MIXTE SPECIAL DU SENAT THE SENATE AND OF THE HOUSE ET DE LA CHAMBRE DES COMMUNES OF COMMONS ON THE CONSTITUTION SUR LA CONSTITUTION DU CANADA OF CANADA Joint Chairmen: Copresidents: Senator Harry Hays, P.C. Senateur Harry Hays, c.p. Serge Joyal, M.P. Serge Joyal, depute Representing the Senate: Representant le Senat: Senators: Les senateurs: Austin Lapointe Murray Rousseau Belisle Lucier Petten Tremblay-1 0 Connolly Representing the House of Commons: Representant la Chambre des communes: Messrs. Messieurs Beatty Fraser Mackasey Peterson Bockstael Gima"iel Manly Nystrom Cor bin Hawkes McGrath Tobin-15 Epp lrwin (Quorum 12) Les cogreffiers du Comite Richard Pregent Paul Belisle Joint Clerks of the Committee Pursuant to S.O. 65( 4 )(b) of the House of Commons: Conformement a !'article 65(4)b) du Reglement de la Cham­ bre des communes: On Thursday, January 15, 1981: Le jeudi 15 janvier 1981: Mr. Hawkes replaced Mr. Crombie; M. Hawkes remplace M. Crombie; Mr. Allmand replaced Mr. Henderson; M. Allmand remplace M. Henderson; Mr. Munroe (Esquimalt-Saanich) replaced Mr. Beatty; M. Munroe (Esquimalt-Saanich) remplace M. Beatty; Mr. Manly replaced Mr. Robinson (Burnaby); M. Manly remplace M. Robinson (Burnaby); Mr. Gima"iel replaced Mr. Bockstael; M. Gimarel remplace M. Bockstael; Mr. Beatty replaced Mr. Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich); M. Beatty remplace M. Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich); Mr. lttinuaf replaced Mr. Manly; M. lttinuar remplace M. Manly; Published under authority of the Senate and the Speaker Publie en conformite de l'autorite du Senat et de I'Orateur de la of the House of Commons by the Queen's Printer for Canada Chambre des communes par l'lmprimeur de la Reine pour le Canada Available from the Canadian Government Publishing Centre, Supply and En vente: Centre d'Cdition du gouverncment du Canada Services Canada, Hull, Quebec, Canada K I A OS9 Approvisionnements et Services Canada. Hull, Quebec, Canada K I A OS9 15-1-1981 Constitution du Canada 38: 3 Mr. Duclos replaced Mr. Mackasey; M. Duclos remplace M. Mackasey; Mr. Mackasey replaced Mr. Duclos; M. Mackasey remplace M. Duclos; 11 Mr. Bockstael replaced Miss Campbell (South West Nova); M. Bockstael remplace M ' Campbell (South West Nova); Mr. Manly replaced Mr. Ittinuar; M. Manly remplace M. Ittinuar; Mr. Peterson replaced Mr. Allmand. M. Peterson remplace M. Allmand. Pursuant to an order of the Senate adopted November 5, 1980: Conformement a un ordre du Senat adopte le 5 novembre 1980: On Thursday, January 15, 1981: Le jeudi 15 janvier 1981: Senator Cottreau replaced Senator Connolly; Le senateur Cottreau remplace le senateur Connolly; Senator Goldenberg replaced Senator Lapointe; Le senateur Goldenberg remplace le senateur Lapointe; Senator Rousseau replaced Senator Lamontagne; Le senateur Rousseau remplace le senateur Lamontagne; Senator Connolly replaced Senator Cottreau; Le senateur Connolly remplace le senateur Cottreau; Senator Lapointe replaced Senator Goldenberg; Le senateur Lapointe remplace le senateur Goldenberg; Senator Belisle replaced Senator Roblin. Le senateur Belisle remplace le senateur Roblin. 38:4 Constitution of Canada 15-1-1981 MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS PROCES-VERBAUX THURSDAY, JANUARY 15, 1981 LE JEUDI 15 JANVIER 1981 (67) (67) [Text] [Traduction] The Special Joint Committee on the Constitution of Canada Le Comite mixte special sur la Constitution du Canada se met this day at 9:49 o'clock a.m., the Joint Chairman, Mr. reunit aujourd'hui a 9 h 49 sous la presidence de M. Joyal Joyal, presiding. (copresident). Members of the Committee present: Membres du Comite presents: Representing the Senate: The Honourable Senators Austin, Representant le Senat: Les honorables senateurs Austin, Cottreau, Goldenberg, Hays, Lamontagne, Lucier, Murray, Cottreau, Goldenberg, Hays, Lamontagne, Lucier, Murray, Petten, Roblin and Tremblay. Petten, Roblin et Tremblay. Other Senator present: The Honourable Senator Flynn. Autre senateur present: L'honorable senateur Flynn. Representing the House of Commons: Messrs. Allmand, Representant la Chambre des communes: MM. Allmand, Bockstael, Miss Campbell (South West Nova), Messrs. Bockstael, M 11 ' Campbell (South West Nova), MM. Corbin, Corbin, Epp, Fraser, Hawkes, Irwin, Joyal, Mackasey, Manly, Epp, Fraser, Hawkes, lrwin, Joyal, Mackasey, Manly, McGrath, Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich), Nystrom, Robinson McGrath, Munro (Esquimalt-Saanich), Nystrom, Robinson (Bumaby) and Tobin. (Burnaby) et Tobin. Other Member present: Mr. Rose. Autre depute present: M. Rose. In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Aussi presents: Du Service de recherches de la Bibliotheque Parliament: Messrs. Paul Martin and John McDonough, du Parlement: MM. Paul Martin et John McDonough, Researchers. recherchistes. Appearing: The Honourable Jean Chretien, Minister of Comparait: L'honorable Jean Chretien, ministre de la Jus­ Justice;: and Attorney General of Canada. tice et procureur general au Canada. Witnesses: From the Department of Justice: Mr. Roger Temoins: Du ministere de la Justice: M. Roger Tasse, c.r., Tasse, Q.C., Deputy Minister and Dr. B. L. Strayer, Q.C., sous-ministre et M. B. L. Strayer, c.r., sous-ministre adjoint, Assistant Deputy Minister, Public Law. Droit public. The Committee resumed consideration of its Order of Ref­ Le Comite reprend !'etude de son ordre de renvoi du Senat, erence from the Senate dated November 3, 1980 and its Order du 3 novembre 1980, et de son ordre de renvoi de la Chambre of Reference from the House of Commons dated October 23, des communes du 23 octobre 1980, tous deux portant sur le 1980, both relating to the document entitled "Proposed Reso­ document intitule «Projet de resolution portant adresse com­ lution for a Joint Address to Her Majesty the Queen respect­ mune a Sa Majeste la Reine concernant la Constitution du ing the Constitution of Canada" published by the Government Canada•, publie par le gouvernement le 2 octobre 1980. (Voir on October 2, 1980. (See Minutes of Proceedings. Thursday, proces-verbal du jeudi 6 novembre 1980, Fascicule rt' 1.) November 6, 1980, Issue No. 1.) The Committee resumed consideration of Clause I of the Le Comite reprend !'etude de !'article I du projet de loi sur Proposed Constitution Act. la Constitution. At 12:04 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call A 12 h 04, le Comite suspend ses travaux jusqu'a nouvelle of the Chair. convocation du president. AFTERNOON SlTTlNG SEANCE DE L'APRES-MlDl (68) (68) The Special Joint Committee on the Constitution of Canada Le Comite mixte special sur la Constitution du Canada se met this day at 3:42 o'clock p.m., the Joint Chairman, Senator reunit aujourd'hui a I 5 h 42, sous la presidence du senateur Hays, presiding. Hays (copresident). Members of the Committee present: Membres du Comite presents: I Representing the Senate: The Honourable Senators Austin, Representant le Senat: Les honorables senateurs Austin, Connolly, Hays, Lapointe, Lucier, Murray, Petten, Roblin, Connolly, Hays, Lapointe, Lucier, Murray, Petten, Roblin, Rousseau and Tremblay. Rousseau et Tremblay. Representing the House of Commons: Messrs. Allmand, Representant la Chambre des communes: MM. Allmand, Beatty, Miss Campbell (South West Nova), Messrs. Corbin, Beatty, M''' Campbell (South West Nova), MM. Corbin, Duclos, Epp, Fraser, Gimalel, Hawkes, lrwin, lttinuar, Joyal, Duclos, Epp, Fraser, Gima'iel, Hawkes, Irwin, lttinuar, Joyal, McGrath, Nystrom and Tobin. McGrath, Nystrom et Tobin. I 1 Other Members present: Messrs. Manly, Munro Autres deputes presents: MM. Manly, Munro (Esquimalt­ j. (Esquimalt-Saanich) and Robinson (Burnaby). Saanich) et Robinson (Burnaby). l l '{ 15-1-1981 Constitution du Canada 38:5 In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Aussi presents: Du Service de recherches de la Bibliotheque Parliament: Messrs. Paul Martin and John McDonough, du Parlement: MM. Paul Martin et John McDonough, Researchers. recherchistes. Appearing: The Honourable Jean Chretien, Minister of Comparait: L'honorable Jean Chretien, ministre de la Jus­ Justice and Attorney General of Canada. tice et procureur general du Canada. Witnesses: From the Department of Justice: Mr. Roger Temoins: Du ministere de la Justice: M. Roger Tasse, c.r., Tasse, Q.C., Deputy Minister and Dr. B. L. Strayer, Q.C.,
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