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No. 91B No 91B ISSN 1180-2987 Legislative Assembly Assemblée législative of Ontario de l’Ontario First Session, 37th Parliament Première session, 37e législature Official Report Journal of Debates des débats (Hansard) (Hansard) Wednesday 18 October 2000 Mercredi 18 octobre 2000 Speaker Président Honourable Gary Carr L’honorable Gary Carr Clerk Greffier Claude L. DesRosiers Claude L. DesRosiers Hansard on the Internet Le Journal des débats sur Internet Hansard and other documents of the Legislative Assembly L’adresse pour faire paraître sur votre ordinateur personnel can be on your personal computer within hours after each le Journal et d’autres documents de l’Assemblée législative sitting. 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In 1996 in Hamilton- SOCIAL HOUSING REFORM ACT, 2000 Wentworth, the average total income of poor persons was $9,463. I can’t imagine trying to live on that amount of LOI DE 2000 SUR LA RÉFORME money, having children and having the added stress of DU LOGEMENT SOCIAL looking for housing. Resuming the debate adjourned on October 17, 2000, One of my constituents, Robert, has three children on the motion for second reading of Bill 128, An Act with his wife, Andrea. All three of them are under 10 respecting social housing / Projet de loi 128, Loi con- years of age. Andrea is sick and is in and out of hospital. cernant le logement social. Robert is laid off and seeking employment. They were Mrs Marie Bountrogianni (Hamilton Mountain): I forced to move in with their parents, but because of this appreciate this opportunity to join in the debate on Bill they received less social assistance. As a result, the 128. I will be sharing my time with the member from parents and themselves have been evicted. They applied Elgin-Middlesex-London. for subsidized housing and have made the homeless list, Of all the challenges that constituents bring to the but the homeless list for them would be two to three office, I think this is the biggest one. There are times we years. The last time we spoke with them, they were in a can help our constituents. We write letters and ministers motel paid for by Housing Help Centre for one week and respond, sometimes positively; sometimes it’s status quo. their children were spread out among friends. They could But in the social housing business it’s always a sad story. not find housing because they are on social assistance You always have to tell them, two to three years’ and the places they apply to will not rent to them because waiting, sometimes five, depending on their situation, of their low income. and I understand in Toronto it’s over 20 years on the Another constituent, Arlene, is a single parent with waiting list. three children. Her sister is also a single parent with one The government’s own Who Does What committee child. They are living with their mother and father in a understood that downloading social housing on to mu- two-bedroom unit. They all came to my office. The nicipalities was not a sustainable process. The municipal children were very well cared for. In fact, this is such a tax base can’t handle the cost of social housing. In conscientious parent that she still takes public transport Hamilton-Wentworth, the business education taxes are to take her kids to the old school, even though it’s not in among of the highest in the province, and when the her mother’s neighbourhood, so that they can have con- downloading fully occurs, these taxes will increase even sistency in their school life. One of those children is in more. No new housing units will be created as a result of senior kindergarten, which means she makes that trip this deal, which is a shame for the many families who are many times a day, in the morning with all of them, at waiting. I’ll talk about some of those families in a mo- noon again to pick up the senior kindergarten one and ment. Even AMO was opposed. They were concerned then again at 3:30 to pick the rest up. Both Arlene and about the property tax base. They were concerned about her sister have been actively searching for affordable what this would do to property taxes for the future of housing for seven months. They want to reside together municipalities. in order to save money on rent. They are told by pro- It’s fair to say we have a housing crisis. I understand spective landlords that they are ineligible for three-bed- the government’s hypothesis was, “Let the private sector room units because they are two families, but they cannot build units.” This obviously didn’t work. We need to afford a four-bedroom unit. The waiting list for sub- look at different solutions. sidized housing, they have been told, is three to five I’d like to talk a little bit about my community and years. why social housing is such an important aspect of their day-to-day lives and why the lack of it is such an im- 1850 portant challenge in their day-to-day lives. Eleanor: she applied for housing in April 1999 with her husband. Her husband was on ODSP, and Eleanor 4816 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO 18 OCTOBER 2000 was looking after him. The forms were lost and had to be that children who are poor are four times as likely to have re-sent to Eleanor. In February 2000, her husband died. health problems as children who are not poor, and are Her file had to be updated from two bedrooms to one, two times as likely to have asthma, which can be a and this caused another delay in the bureaucracy. She deadly disease, particularly if you live in a polluted city. subsequently phoned to check the status, and her files It was extremely unfortunate and added insult to injury were lost again. She went to the office and resubmitted when the nutritional supplement for poor pregnant moth- the form. She had to go on welfare and could no longer ers was cut by this government, as well as the verbal afford to pay the rent at her current residence. She had to insult of them “only spending it on beer, anyway.” move in with her daughter because she had no money. You’re kicking the poor, you’re cleansing the poor, As I said earlier, there are times when we can actually and that’s a shame and an embarrassment to a rich help our constituents, either through the honourable country like Canada and a rich province like Ontario. It’s ministers or through our own creativity. My staff has just a shame and an embarrassment. tried to look for low-income housing for our constituents. On September 20, a cross-sectoral group of women We have those ads every day in our office. We try to use came to Queen’s Park and asked for some emergency our personal contacts. One of my constituency assistants measures for domestic violence, for adding more services even resorted to wanting to take a family home with her. to the community so that women can get out of the cycle I wish we all had homes big enough for the people who of poverty and violence. Unfortunately, the government are on the list in Hamilton. We don’t. And although that would not sign on. I understand from an e-mail I received would be a kind-hearted move on my staff’s part, it yesterday from Minister Johns’s office that the minister would not solve the problem. may meet with this coalition this week. The problem is the dignity these people feel they no Hon Helen Johns (Minister of Citizenship, Culture longer have because they don’t have a roof over their and Recreation, minister responsible for seniors and heads for their children.