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Oral History Interview with Brent Greenwood Oral History Interview with Brent Greenwood Interview Conducted by Julie Pearson-Little Thunder November 13, 2014 Spotlighting Oklahoma Oral History Project Oklahoma Oral History Research Program Edmon Low Library ● Oklahoma State University © 2014 Spotlighting Oklahoma Oral History Project Interview History Interviewer: Julie Pearson-Little Thunder Transcriber: Madison Warlick Editors: Julie Pearson-Little Thunder, Micki White The recording and transcript of this interview were processed at the Oklahoma State University Library in Stillwater, Oklahoma. Project Detail The purpose of the Spotlighting Oklahoma Oral History Project is to document the development of the state by recording its cultural and intellectual history. This project was approved by the Oklahoma State University Institutional Review Board on April 15, 2009. Legal Status Scholarly use of the recordings and transcripts of the interview with Brent Greenwood is unrestricted. The interview agreement was signed on November 13, 2014. 2 Spotlighting Oklahoma Oral History Project About Brent Greenwood… Brent Greenwood (Ponca-Chickasaw) was raised in Oklahoma City in an ethnically diverse, urban environment. As a middle-school student, his painting entry for an Indian art show was turned down because it was assumed to be a tracing of a Rance Hood painting. A dancer and powwow singer, Greenwood was influenced by Hood and Jerome Tiger initially, but at the Institute of American Indian Arts, he came to realize the full scope of Native art. Upon completing his BFA at Oklahoma City University, he developed a style that emphasizes the shapes of human faces and forms over a subject’s individual features. The artist has won a number of awards, including First Place in printmaking at Santa Fe Indian Market, and has received several mural and painting commissions. In 2008 he and his wife, Kennetha, were honored with the title of Parents of the Year by the Oklahoma Indian Education Association, and in 2009 were recognized as Parents of the Year by the National Indian Education Association. In his interview, besides discussing his creative subject matter, process, and techniques, Greenwood points to public art as his doorway into Native art. He recalls being rejected from the Red Earth Indian Arts Festival initially because of his unusual style, only to be picked up Kiva Gallery in Santa Fe. He also talks about two murals he did: one for the Ponca tribal affairs building, and one painted with Chickasaw youth at the National Wildlife Refuge at Tishomingo. 3 Spotlighting Oklahoma Oral History Project Brent Greenwood Oral History Interview Interviewed by Julie Pearson-Little Thunder November 13, 2014 Edmond, Oklahoma Little Thunder This is Julie Pearson Little-Thunder. Today is November 13, 2014, and I’m interviewing Brent Greenwood for the Oklahoma Native Artists Project sponsored by Oklahoma Oral History Research Program at OSU. We’re at Brent’s studio in Edmond. Brent, you’re Chickasaw and Ponca. You attended the Institute of American Indian Art in Santa Fe and got your BFA [bachelor of fine arts] from Oklahoma City University. Your works range from expressionistic to more abstract, and you sometimes incorporate real objects for a three-dimensional effect. You’ve really gained a lot of momentum over the last several years, and tomorrow night you’ll be showing at the Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum in the Small Wonders show. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me. Greenwood Thank you. Little Thunder Where were you born, and where did you grow up? Greenwood I was born in Midwest City, Oklahoma. Grew up in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and in particular the south side of Oklahoma City. Born and raised in a metro area, but I’ve always had the connections and family up at Ponca City, more so than I did initially from my relatives in the southeastern part of the state, but I’ve always had that knowing of where I come from and who I was as a Chickasaw, urban Chickasaw- Ponca Indian. Little Thunder Can you talk a bit about your folks, what they did for a living? Greenwood Sure. My father, I think in the beginning when I think back of what he did, I think he worked a couple jobs when I was younger. Then he started working at the US Postal Service. I know he used to work for a local pizza place called Crystal’s Pizza, which we loved. I think he may have worked that and the post office at the time, because thinking back 4 when I started the post office, it was part-time and we had to supplement our part-time with another job, so he was working two jobs. My mom was working at Southwestern Bell as a receptionist. That’s what she did. My dad, I think at the post office he was more into the clerical side of it, mail handler. He wasn’t a mailman, but he was a mail handler. Like I said, it was kind of cool that he worked two jobs, one at the post office, but one at the pizza place because whenever they had mess-ups on pizzas, “Dad’s home, yay!” (Laughter) We was always looking forward to those nights when Dad was working late because he was coming home with pizza, and we were just like, “Ah!” I also look back on those years, and those are probably some of my most obese years, I guess you could say. (Laughs) I was really kind of a little chunky guy, and I think it was all those extra pizzas Dad used to bring home. Anyway, that’s what my parents did. Dad worked two jobs, and my mom was working at Southwestern Bell. Little Thunder How about brothers or sisters, siblings? Greenwood Yeah, I have two sisters. I’m the oldest, and my sisters were all…stair- stepped. We’re all two years apart. It’s funny how I was envious of them. This is probably the way that it goes with older siblings, is that you’re more, I think, restricted on things, but the younger ones always get to do things sooner than you did. It happened that way with my sisters, and I was envious. I was kind of mad in a way, whatever. I have two sisters. Little Thunder How about your exposure to art in the home growing up? Greenwood Art was always something that, I think, my parents recognized as me having a ability to do and express myself. I got my first art award from illustrating a book. Back then, when you’re young and looking at other people’s style, all you’re doing is mimicking their style. That’s what I was doing. I could look at a picture and draw it detail for detail, so I got my first art award when I was like in the fourth grade. I think it was before then my parents were always saving my artwork, and they were buying me art books. As I got older and realized that we are Indian, we are Native American, then I started being more influenced by early, not to say early Indian art but Indian art in general. You’ll probably get to this question, but I’ll just tell you now. Some of my early influences were the Oklahoma artists that I knew, that I was aware of. That was Rance Hood and Jerome Tiger. There was art that I really did like growing up, but I didn’t always know the names, so as I started becoming more aware of the art, I realized the other art that I 5 was influenced by but at that young age didn’t realize the artists themselves. There was Woody Crumbos, there were Acee Blue Eagles, there were the Kiowa Five, Robert Redbird, these other Oklahoma artists that had influenced my work at a very young age, which I didn’t even know their names or faces. The two that I know I could definitely relate to at that young age was Rance Hood and Jerome Tiger. Those are the artists that I really started mimicking their style and doing the flow of it all, the warriors on horseback like Rance does, the stickballers of Jerome Tiger, just the flow of everything, of Jerome Tiger. His natural drawing ability, I was kind of in awe of that. Me being a drawer, I guess you’d say, first before a painter, before any of that I was really inspired by what he did and motivated to pursue or keep doing what I did at that time. Little Thunder What is your first memory of making art, very first memory? Greenwood Oh, man, the dirt, (Laughs), in the dirt playing with…. I can remember using sticks and making marks in the dirt with rocks and sticks, making mud, being real hands-on about it, and then just the typical crayon. I remember doing all those things, some, not all of them. I do have a recollection of doing some of the drawings and things like that. Even back then, thinking about it, I really did gravitate towards color. I did like a lot of color, so all my pieces always had crayon color marks and things like that. It goes back to elementary school, as far as I can remember. Little Thunder And your first exposure to Native art, was it through a book, do you remember or… Greenwood I think it was, from what I recall, pictures on the wall that I would see in a public place. That’s what’s so cool is that even me at a young age realizing that and picking up on that.
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