4-4-2 Double 6

4-4-2 double 6

Continue The most common formation you'll probably see in British football is 4-4-2. It consists of four defenders, four midfielders and two strikers. It's an adaptable system where you have power in midfield and a lot of width. PICK YOUR OWN FORMATION To see how Manchester United could compete with a 4- 4-2 formation, click below to tinker with your own team's formation, go to your club's index and click on the green squad selection graphic With two strikers means the front line has extra support rather than having to wait for the midfield to reach them. This formation, like others, tends to free up the full- backs who have more time on the ball than midfielders, especially when the opposition plays 4-4-2 as well. In fact, some coaches see the two central midfielders in this formation as defenders and the full-backs as attackers. This formation also offers the chance for one of the two central midfielders to come forward and support the strikers. It actually comes from a 4-2-4 system that from great Brazilian and Real Madrid sides of former England coach Don Howe sometimes pushthe two midfielders forward alternately to advise the defenders. But some teams, such as England, sometimes prefer a more solid approach by giving a midfielder a more defensive and deeper role - such as Ledley King or Jamie Carragher - to cover the defence. This gives the more offensive midfielder more freedom to push and support the strikers. This type of formation was called the Diamond Formation, as the four midfielders form a diamond-like form, and it favours a team that does not have strong wingers. General Information Sleeping Cars Pullman history For many years the sleeping car was the domain of the Pullman Company, and in fact the name Pullman became synonymous with sleepers. Pullman operated a huge fleet of heavy cars in various configurations, sometimes signed for the railways to which they were assigned. Pullman cars ran on regular scheduled trains on every major railroad, but the Pullman carriers were employees of pullman co. Pullman continued to operate its sleeper fleet until the light era, but eventually became a separate unit of the car manufacturer Pullman-Standard. As a result, there were sleeper cars built by both Budd and ACF, which bore the Pullman name during the light era. The government broke up the Pullman Company 12/31/48, and Pullman's cars were distributed among the railways. Pullman's fleet continued to drive many of them to the end. They did own or former wagons for the railways. S.P. Pullman Car Ownership Before 1948 they would have been all Pullman cars. After that, most of the trains seen on SP trains would have been labeled sp because of SP ownership, but cars remained cars Pullman owners, so written, who were in the pool service. The intention was for Pullman to provide overflow needs. But with the decline in passenger traffic, the presence of such cars on SP trains after 1950 would have been rare. All observations of the open platform threshold had disappeared by 1949/50. Pullman appearance sleepers from the outside tend to look like trainers until you know what to look for. Heavyweight pullmans have a distinctive pattern of paired windows that they give away. Light thresholds can be detected through windows that are a little further apart than trainers and are often asymmetrical. Almost all sleeper configurations can be recognized by their unique window pattern. Pullman Identification Some cars are said to be section drawing space; some cars are supposed to be compartments and salons; some cars should be sections, salons and compartments; some cars are even identified as section observation lounge. Although these statements are not a specific guide, they are certainly indicators for regularly assigned vehicle types and therefore limit the selection. Sleepers are most specifically identified by their Pullman plan number or, more generally, by numbers that indicate the number and type of accommodation. For example, a 12-1 Pullman is a heavy 12-piece 1 drawing space sill. A 10-6 is a 10-room apartment with 6 light bedrooms. The A 4-4-2 is a 4-piece dormitory with 4 bedrooms and 2-drawing rooms. These are just examples... the complete nomenclature (and numerology) of threshold configurations is a very involved topic. Standard vs. Tourist Sleeper In the heavyweight era, there was a noticeable difference between a standard sleeper and a tourist sleeper dividing the sections. It was mostly permanent on a standard sleeper, but removable on a tourist sleeper. Tourist sleepers usually had 14 or 16 sections, standard sleepers 12 or less. In addition, standard sleepers often had one or more private rooms in addition to the open sections, with a very common pattern being 12 sections, 1 salon, a 12-1. Old photos of tourist sleepers show them with rattan seats, while standard sleeper seats were covered with plush. Standard sleepers used to be air-conditioned than tourist cars when air conditioning was introduced in the late 1920s and 1930s. Many tourist sleepers were former 12-1 cars; they were 13 section cars as tourist cars. The 13th section was only the salon sealed with the extension (toilet). In some cases, a warehouse mail van would be sealed, which meant that it went from point A to point B without being processed at all. Roomette vs. Roomette A room is a single occupancy bedroom that is very compact and efficient. It consists of a spacious bus seat, private sink and toilet, a picture window, a curtain and/or a sliding door for privacy and a bed that longitudinal from the rear wall behind the seat. When the bed is down, it occupies virtually the entire room. The passenger must open the door to get out of bed and must go down the hall to the GT to use the toilet. A double room is a much larger room that offers a sofa-sized bus seat, sink, individual storage compartment and two folding beds. The pre-war Pullman-style double rooms are designed in pairs with small square windows, and both beds are mounted horizontally in the front wall, one above the other. The post-war bedrooms are arranged according to an A-B pattern; the A-style bedroom is similar to the pre-war and the B-style has a bed that falls vertically off the wall like a Roomette bed, and the other pulls straight down from the ceiling. This A-B design made the use of space more efficient and allowed for slightly larger rooms and private toilet sitch. Roomettes take up about as much space as two bus seats (one in front of the other), so the sidewalk (flur) runs down the middle of the car with roomettes on both sides. The bedrooms are much larger and since a continuous walkway has to be provided, the bedrooms are moved to one side of the car and the hallway is against the wall on the opposite side. A look at some Pullman interior plans will clarify all these basics. Sleeper Orientation Normally, sleeping cars were operated to allow most seats to drive forward. One of the considerations in the sleeper orientation in a train is to align the car so that the aisle side was on the least interesting side of a trip. Back then, when the railways served first-class passenger transport, they sometimes did such things. There would be a lot to do, as the train would have to be broken up and each car would have to be turned individually at the end of each trip in order to maintain the same composition and still offer the prospect of the corresponding side. Only the best trains - such as SP's Lark or NYC's 20th Century Limited - would cause the railways so much trouble. Tom Cockle On the LARK, the rooms would point west so that the drivers have a view of the sea (regardless of the time of day or night). Bill Daniels This means that the front tangles look forward in one direction and on the return journey in the other direction. which in turn means that the thresholds do not have to be wyed at the end of each journey. Tim O' Some cars had in front of the anterooms: passengers would get out of a car, the luggage from the anteroom at busy stations like Glendale, where the doorman on the train put luggage on the closed trap and the doorman on the ground would take it off the train. Jim Gerstley Sleeper Directive Sleepers to work with gear side to inside of double track to ensure additional safety against shifting loads. Therefore: 13 BDR and 4-4-2 sleepers with vestibule fwd, fwd, Pullman's sleepers with vestibule facing backwards note: not always followed. 13 bedrooms, 12 bedrooms and 4-4-2 cars had the aisle on one side of the car, not just 11 bedroom cars. There were other considerations... usually on double (or several) tracks, the rooms would be aligned on the outside of the car to avoid the chance of Lading falling off passing trains (more of a problem than you would think) and hitting an occupied room. SP also set up the cars so that the rooms were away from the fast lane to minimize disruptive passengers by passing trains at night. Bill Daniels SP HW Pullmans Sleepers SP and T&NO 1948 heavyweight Pullman sleeper acquisitions: Please note that the following are primarily about heavy cars. The light car operation is much more well documented. 6SBR-2DBR-L-Sunroom (3974f) - two 14SBR (3980 a & b) - two 10S-1C-1DR (3973a) - two 10S-1DR-2C (different) - sixty-three 8S-1DR-2C (3979a)- fifteen 1 0S-2DR () 3584a) - two 12S-1DR (different) - fifty 5DBR-8S (different)- sixteen 6DBR-6S (different) - six 6C-3DR (different)- ten 10S-L-Obs (2521c) - two The 12-1 was the most common configuration owned by the SP, followed by the 10-1-2. SP 1948 Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers Regarding HW Sleepers, SP had none until December 31, 1948. All thresholds were owned by the Pullman Company before January 1, 1949. Jeff Cauthen SP 1948 Heavyweight Pullman Sleeper Names When SP bought heavy sleepers from Pullman in 1948, they mostly retained the names. But their light cars had only numbers. But in any case, the SP Society Volume 2 about passenger cars that cover sleepers would have all the information you need, including MANY excellent photos. Tony Thompson SP cars were not usually mentioned, except for certain HW sleepers purchased in 1948. Jeff Cauthen SP 1953 Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers Until 1953 there was no regularly scheduled Coast Route train with heavy sleepers. Many photos show dead heavyweight sleepers on the back of the Coast Mail, likely moving to the Pullman store in Richmond, California. Tony Thompson Modeling HEAVYWEIGHT PASSENGER CARS Branchline Brass Side Coach Yard Rivarrossi (AHM) Union Station Products Wright - MHP Flute and Smooth Cars for Whole Trains 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941 Daylight 1941 Lark 1949 City san Francisco 1949 Golden State 1950 Cascade Walther's Details Modeling Passenger Car Details Underbody S.P. sleepbody underbody details A source for substructure diagrams of Espee's Pullman cars, *(see Mainline Modeler). They released plans for the 4-4-2 and 13-bedroom cars. The company's fabulous Coach/Chair car book does not contain any The latest RMC article about Lark Pullmans Pullmans Theme too. Send me your address and I will send you what I gave as a handout at the PCR Convention 2001 in SLO on this topic of the Lark Sleeper. If you are looking for details for the triple dinner, then the Limited Edition plans are the only way to go. In my article in the March issue of RMC, the photo of the underbody (unpainted) was for the 22 RMT post-war cars and not for the 4-4-2. The underbody for the 4-4-2 is in the photo of the car on the head. The whole article was to talk about the competition, but it was too long. I think 7 pages is their maximum. At the Prototype Modeler meeting in Pleasanton in this last mouth, the Lord of Coach Yards gave a talk about the original plans of Pullman, Budd and ACF cars, but it is a very long and hard way to follow. Ron Plie's air ducts Every special Pullman received special lines. In the early days, it often served only the sleeping part of the car, with corridors and toilets that were not air-conditioned, but as the fleet's retrofitting of the air conditioning proceeded, the cars tended to get more and more canal length, with a fair number of full-length airducts on both sides. Essentially, all room accommodation cars purchased by Pullman from Southern Pacific were air- conditioned. Tony Thompson Modeling Air Ducts New England Rail Service You need to find a photo from which you can model if you want to accurately reproduce a particular car. Today, the part of the New England Rail Service (NERS) is #250 the way to go, with lines that fit the Rivarossi roof very well and these canals really easy to use. You get two full-length sewers, and a selection of duct end panels, with instructions. Tony Thompson Interiors A good source to see Red Caps product line is Walthers, including photos of most (not all) of their parts Window Shades Color car window shadow color for the 1950s Coast Daylights was aluminiumized on the outside. Modeling Venetian Blinds The CoachYard A Venetian blind kit that contains three different sizes of blinds for a total of 25 blinds. Sizes and quantity are as follows: *3 each of .850 x .350 * 12 each of .525 x .350 *5 each of .275 x .400 part #DescriptionPrice 300Car Venetian Blind Set #1 8.50 Structural Factors Interior: Modeling Structural Factors Prefabricated Simulated Wood Interiors for Athearn & Model Die. Sunshine Models No. 12 P.O. Box 305 Salinas, CA. 93912 Trucks Heavyweight Cars Trucks The heavyweight Pullman vehicles that drove in the South Pacific had at least 8 different trucks that could be used. Modeling Trucks The CastChallenger Wheels Kadee Challenger necessary to oil car trucks at all. Paint Pullman Green SP 1948 Heavyweight Pullman Sleeper Paint Colors All sleepers were owned by the Pullman Company before January 1, 1949 and they were usually Painted Pullman Green. that the it is not clear whether SP-owned HW sleepers were painted sometime after SP takeover of the Property Dark Olive. Some documents seem to point in this direction, but no definitive answer has been found to date. Selected cars were painted two-tone Gray for the San Francisco Overland and Golden State. Jeff Cauthen SP 1950 Heavyweight Pullman Sleeper Paint Colors Pullman Drawing D-4864 published 24.07.1950 for painting SP HW sleepers in green. She demands Pullman Green color #70-10 with imitation gold lettering. The problem with the above is that evidence suggests that pullman's Richmond, California shops painted SP HW sleepers in Pullman Green that matched SP Dark Olive. See pages 167 and 572 in Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms. Two - Tone Gray After 1948, selected cars for the San Francisco Overland and Golden State were painted with two tone gray. Jeff Cauthen Reference Southern Pacific Color Chart Model Model Railroader, July 1944 Interior Paint Sleepers can be wood-panelled (Mahogany) or painted in tan or medium greens. Jeff Cauthen Lettering & Numbering Before 1948, Pullman sleepers were written for Pullman, not for SP (though sometimes for namesakes). After 1948, when SP purchased a number of cars, many Pullman types were represented. The upcoming book by SPH&TS, Volume 2 on cars, deals with sleepers and will answer your question in much more detail than is practical on this list. Tony Thompson SP HW Pullman's All HW sleepers who became SP properties had SOUTHERN PACIFIC centered on the letterboard with PULLMAN at each end. No 3-2 observations were ever labeled tho. References Modeling Lettering & Numbering Standards 1936-1946Silver-Grey Outer Eggshell Enamel (Aluminum) before 19569 Roman Style Lettering 12/55S.P. Bulletin-New style Southern Pacific Block Lettering Decals Champ315? CaLocoWorksReally fragile, very thin film Microscale Thin Film SP LW Pullmans Sleepers Sleepers Details glazing Best represented typical SP etched window glass use depends on the car and when it was built. There is no typical answer for SP usage, as cars were originally built for train traffic (e.g. Sunset Limited, Golden State Limited, etc.) Modeling window glazing Paint TTG lightweight scheme Lettering & Numbering Decals HO sticker STRIPES matching the Walthers PS LW Pullman Pool cars The Walthers strips stop at the doors, while some of the SP cars had the stripes up to the full-width membranes. Microscale decals suitable for the GREY SP vehicles are not available from Microscale. SC&F SC&F will not produce its own decals. Thin movie You can do all color schemes. The of ThinFilm are very beautifully made, as well as their daylight vapor daylight steam Sets. Reference Mainline Modeler November 1991 - Plans, Pullman 4099, 4-dbr/6-rmt/6- sec. Railroad Model Craftsman December 1966 - Plan 4069, Pullman Lightweight Sleeper, 4DB, 4 COMP, 2 DR (9117 pictured) Railway Model Artisan July 1972 - SP Pullman 4140C/D (SP 9030-9054(C), 9055-9056() D)) Mainline Modeler September 1995 - SP Painting & Lettering Conclusion: Pullman Pool two-tone grey scheme NMRA Bulletin June 1973 - Plans SP Sleeper, 12-dbr and 13-dbr. and SP Paint data. Mainline Modeler August 1995 - Plans, SP Pullman Sleeper 4071D, 13-dbr, #9350 - 9357. The Lark and Shasta Daylight cars (and all other Espee Pullman standard built streamlined cars) are also covered in these beautiful books: The Official Pullman-Standard Library, 5, Southern Pacific Prewar Cars The Official Pullman-Standard Library, Vol. 6, Southern Pacific Postwar Cars by W. David Randall and William M. Ross Railway Production Classics, 1988 and 1989 Although both books are OOP, copies from time to time appear on eBay and elsewhere. These include interior sand and Sb/W construction photos of the cars as well as many interior views. The books also contain lateral elevation drawings on the HO scale. Try to contact RPC directly at: RPC Publications PO Box 503 Alton IL 62002 Pullman Company List of Cars, 1950, Bob Wayner SP Pkw Volume 1: Coaches and Chair Cars SP Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms. A great help for names and numbers. Jeff Cauthen In Volume Two of the SPH&TS Passenger Series. There will be tables that show which cars are numbered, painted in two colours grey and so on. There will be information about which vehicles were purchased by SP (and therefore had SP on the letterbox) and which vehicles held back by Pullman were assigned to SP trains. Recently at the Prototype Modelers Meeting 2004 in Pleasanton, CA, Dave Allen provided an excellent clinic for the research of passenger cars. Dave given diagrams are of all builders, including underbody from erection drawings. You need to know what to request and be aware of the perspective from which the drawings were created. Complete assembly drawings of all Passenger Cars from Pullman-Standard are available from: Pullman Technology 16412 Lathrop Ave. Harvey IL 60426 Specific Sleepers 22 Roomette Sleepers 22 Roomette Sleepers #9300-9304 Seattle Car #9304 Lightweight Pullman 22 roomette sleeper, used on Cascade and Lark. Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pp. 421-427 Drawing Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 421 Modeling 22 Roomette Brass Car Sides kit #37 Pullman 22-roomette (plan #4122), Bay series The Coach Yard Plan 4122b Union Station Products Union Use Station #4122B for these Pullman 22 roomette. 22 Roomette Sleepers #9305-9306 Reference South Pacific Passenger Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 424 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 421 16 Section HW Pullman Sleepers 16 Section Pullman Sleepers Reference Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 107-109 Drawing Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 107 14 Section HW Pullman Sleepers 14 Section HW Pullmaner Sleeps SP at least six 14-Section Pullmans for M service. The vehicles were placed in the M of W service in 1955. SPMW 5524 was TC-3026 08/29/55 SPMW 5530 was TC-3081 09/20/55 SPMW 5531 was TC-3082 08/29/55 SPMW 55 32 was TC-3100 10/14/55 SPMW 5534 was TC-3111 03/08/55 SPMW 5535 was TC-3116 04/21/55 There might have been others. In addition, New Orleans and Overcot temporarily ran on SP trains under the Pullman letterboard, as did TC-3000, TC-3074, and TC-3152. Tourist Car=TC. They were all Pullman Plan 4061 (no suffix). Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. Drawing Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 110-111 Modeling 14 section threshold Branchline #54xx series Walthers 14-piece tourist threshold Walthers 14-piece tourist sleeper is quite relevent to SP pax trains #932-10200, Pullman Heavyweight Sleeper, 14 Sect. #932-10209, Pullman Heavyweight Sleeper, 14 Sect. (Plan-3858A) :Not SP Elmo, Merriam Park, Merrilan, Warashw, Black River Paint It comes in the two-color gray SP color scheme. Lettering & Numbering A complaint of the heavyweight cars is that the car names must be taken from a supplied sticker sheet and only a few SP names are included. 14 Pullman Sleepers Cot Apartment South Pacific Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, P. 135 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 135 14 Single Bedroom Pullman Sleepers #8050 Night Fern #8051 Night Mantle Reference Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 173-174 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, S. 173 13 Dbl Pullman Sleepers 13 Double Bedroom Pullman Sleepers Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 286-292 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 287 Modeling 13 Dbl. Sleeper Brass Car Sides Kit #21 Pullman 13-Room (Plan #4071), County Series Union Station Products #4071D Pullman 13 Bedroom Sleeper , Smooth Side 12 Duplex Single Room, 5Dbl. Bedroom Sleeper 12-5 Sleepers 1938 Cars , renumbered SP #9250 (Portsmith Square) & SP #9251 (Telegraph Hill) Starlight assigned to 1952, removed 1953 SF Overland reassigned 1954 West Coast reassigned 1955 Starlight The streamlined 12-5 sleeper, as found on the Starlight in the mid-fifties. The Starlight DID have thresholds in their composition, according to Dennis Ryan, author of Southern Pacific Passenger Trains, 1. The tables found that the thresholds were not in every move. For example, the second table notes thresholds were not operated on Saturday. After Ryan and Shine's Night Trains of the Coast Route, 2/21/52-5/14/56 included an LW 12-5 and a heavyweight 12-1 and for a short period of time there were two HW 8-5. Pages 132-135. Tony Thompson On page 129 he says: Since the availability of Pullman space on the STARLIGHT was never listed in public schedules, it is a little-known fact that this train carried regularly assigned pullmans for almost six years. On page 130 there is a table with the 1950-1951, which includes a heavy 12 section-1 saloon car and a heavy 8 section-5 bedroom car. All the information you need on these cars (SP 9250-9251), as well as a wealth of great photos are in Vol. 2 of the SPH&TS Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms. The Sleeper assignments for the Starlight SP Equipment Circular 14 show the following sleeper assignments for the Starlight. The sleepers ran on the back of the train, every day except Saturday. 31 March 1950 - No 1 March 1953; 15 June 1954; October 1, 1954: a 12-1 and a 12-5 sleeper These last two sleepers apparently ran until the starlight was suspended. The Starlight in Equipment Circular 15 [released February 1, 1955] is not mentioned. Sleeper Orientation Normally, sleeping cars were operated to allow most seats to drive forward. One of the considerations in the sleeper orientation in a train is to align the car so that the aisle side was on the least interesting side of a trip. The photos in SP Pkw Volume 2 appear to show the front room to the rear. See pages 236, 255 and 257. Jeff Alan Cauthen Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pp. 255-257 Modeling 12-5. Sleeper Coach Yard TCY #3017 SP 12-5 Streamlines Pullman (minimized skirts) 1950s 12 section, 1 Drawing Room, 1 Compartment Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pp. 112-113 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 112 12 Section, 1 Drawing Room 12-1 Heavyweight Pullman Sleepers This was by far the most common single floor plan in the Pullman fleet (about half of Pullman's 9000 cars were 12-1 cars. The 12-1 was the most common configuration owned by the SP, followed by the 10-1-2. SP bought 12-1 thresholds of plans 3410, 3410A and Configuration. Of the 12-1 Pullman Sleeper (Plan #3410A), SP 24. SP also received 12-1 thresholds for a plan 2410. This amount of 12-1s was built in August-October 1926 to chart 5, for the Sunset Limited. Some cars were called T&NO, some SP. The Pullman records show that none of the T&NO cars received numbers. Some of the cars went to other railways, but the vast majority remained with SP/T&NO. PULLMAN - POOL SERVICE (GREEN)SOUTHERN PACIFIC - GREEN 15301 Core 15309 Inyo 15302 McClendon 15310 Los Angeles 15303 Orange Bay 15311 San Francisco SP Clover Mountain - Plan 4836B rebuild 1936 by Plan 2411A a 12-1. The Sleeper assignments for the Starlight SP Equipment Circular 14 show the following sleeper assignments for the Starlight. The sleepers ran on the back of the train, every day except Saturday. 31 March 1950 - No 1 March 1953; 15 June 1954; October 1, 1954: a 12-1 and a 12-5 sleeper These last two sleepers apparently ran until the starlight was suspended. The Starlight in Equipment Circular 15 [released February 1, 1955] is not mentioned. The Starlight DID have thresholds in their composition according to Dennis Ryan, author of Southern Pacific Passenger Trains, Volume 1. On page 129, he says: Since the availability of Pullman space on starLIGHT was never listed in public timetables, it is a little-known fact that this train carried regularly assigned Pullmans for almost six years. On page 130 there is a table with the 1950-1951, which includes a heavy 12 section-1 saloon car and a heavy 8 section-5 bedroom car. 1950 Pullman Heavyweight Car List #8300-8316 = 3410B 8300 ex-Alazon (3410B-built for San Francisco Overland) 8301 ex-Ashbourne (built for Pullman Pool) 8302 ex-Aspen (3410B-built for San Francisco Overland) 8303 ex-Bexar 8304 ex-Brazos 8305 ex-Bretona (3410B-built for San Francisco Overland) 8306 ex-Cabildo 8307 ex-Calafia 8308 ex-Coronado? 8308/Elkhorn(SFS 8/64, number not applied) 8309 ex-Eureka 8310 ex-Farralone 8311 ex-Goliad 8312 ex-Gwin 8313 ex-Inyo 8314 ex-Juana 8315 ex-Los Angeles as 3410Bs. 8316 ex-Marblehead (3410B-built for Pullman pool) #8317= 3410 8317 ex-McAndrews (built 1925 for Pullman pool) #8318-8319 = 3410A. 8318 ex-McCausland (built 1925 for Pullman pool) 8319 ex-McClave (3410A, 1925, for Pullman Pool) = 3410 8320 ex-McDuff (3410, 1925, for Pullman Pool) 8321 ex-McGee (3410, 1924, for Pullman Pool) 8322 ex-McGlinn (built 1925 for Pullman Pool) 8323 ex-McKimm (3410, 1925, for Pullman Pool) 8324 ex-McLean (3410, 1924, for Pullman Pool) 8325 ex-McLennan (3410, 1924, for Pullman-Pool) #8326-8335 = 3410A. 8326 ex-McVean (3410, 1925, for rent at CN) 8327 ex-Noyo 8328 ex-Pathfinder 8329 ex-Pecos 8330 ex-Placerville (the car, the fit, Petal uma, went to SLSF) 8331 ex-Plumas 8332 ex-San Francisco 8333 ex-Solano 8334 ex-Sunburst Rose (the car that would have fit, Tensas (sic), went to L&N) 8335 ex-Tuolumne 8336 ex-Washita ? (the last car of this group and the only named car after Tuolumne. Tensas was probably Tesnus. This list shows that SP alphabetized the cars they took from the Pullman lease before they were numbered, because, as you can see, their build data (and lots) within the group were rather random. Of the 50 12-1 purchased by the SP, 36 (SP #8300-8335) were named; the remaining 14 were apparently not numbered. The 1950 list shows in fact Coronado and Washita as Pullman-owned not purchased by SP. Tony Thompson Details Trucks & Wheels The diameter of the wheels on a heavy 12-1 sleeping car was 36. They had 242 or 242A trucks. Mechanical air conditioning The vast majority of these cars had air conditioning, with visible roof channels. Note that the canals did not extend over toilets or corridors. Plan 3410A came with Pullman mechanical AC. Paint Cars were originally painted - green SP Common Standard Color #1 - Dark Olive The roofs were painted - black must remained in green. (Pathfinder was painted Pullman Green). Several 12-1 cars received (SP) two-tone grey. (Cars McGlinn (#8322), Sunburst Rose, Bexar, Goliad. Cabildo and Noyo were painted TTG). References On page 137 of the book Southern Pacific Passenger Trains Volume 1, Night Trains of the Coast by Ryan and Shine, there is a photo of the 12-1 Pullman named Bexar in two-color gray color in San Francisco August 27, 1955. The caption indicates that the car is pictured on the Starlight 12 days after its last run In the May 1986 issue of Mainline Modeler there is a beautiful shot of Goliad in two-tone grey with SP lettering. Lettering & numbering In the 1930s, the thresholds wore Pullman on the letterbox. The letterbox board would not carry Southern Pacific until after 1947 or 1948. Most 12-1 cars, if they went too gray, did not stay by name. All were assigned SP numbers, but very few had actually applied the numbers. After about 1948 Would have been Dulux Gold, a Dupont color. Tony Thompson Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 116-125, 188-196 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 116, 118 194 Modeling 12-1 Heavyweight Pullmans Sleepers Glazing Etched window glass sets could represent typical SP usage. It depends on the car and when it was built. window glass would work in SP: 12-1's (Inyo/Goliad/McVean) Branchline Pullman Sleepers Branchline #53xx series Pullman 12-1 threshold (Goliad, Calafia, McVean, Inyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Marblehead) released by Branchline Pullman models suitable for SP trains. DO get the kits. They combine to create excellent and precise pullmans. Tony Thompson Roofs of Sleepers for SP 12- 1 HVYwght Sleepers On Branchline Sleeper Kits, the roofs are the same on all their sleepers. The lengths, ricent pattern, and panel configuration are the same for the 12-1, 8-1-2, and 10-1-2. The AC line on one side (the side opposite the aisle) is the same for all three. On the aisle side, however, the line is different in length, and there are different ventilation configurations on each. However, it seems that the roofs could be replaced between cars or even placed backwards, which means that if there is a roof on one of the unreleased cars that has no sewerage on one side, a pair of these roofs could be channelled in a single roof without alternating current. The Coach Yard The Coach Yard (TCY) Southern Pacific (SP) 12-1 Pullman Elkhorn Plan 3410B The Coach Yard (TCY) Southern Pacific (SP) 12-1 Pullman Los Angeles Plan 3410A Rivarrossi (AHM) These cars are inaccurate for the SP. Most SP 12-1 cars were air until 1953. These models lack the details of the a/c roof ventilation. You can create some for this model. Note that the canals did not extend over toilets or corridors. Walthers 12-1 Pullman Sleepers Walthers 12-1, a very nicely made model. Good for early 50s Starlight. #932-10009 - SP Pullman Heavyweight 12-1 (Plan #3410A) #932-10000 - SP Pullman Heavyweight 12-1 Trucks for Walthers 12-1 Pullman Sleeper The Walthers Trucks are horrible, basic blobs and little more. The walls are thicker than Branchline, but a little better than Rivarossi. Are you trying replacement trucks that Walthers offers (your article 933-1085)? Or use Central Valley six-wheeled car trucks. But they have long since been out of production. They can occasionally be located on Ebay and through hobby shops that handle deners of real estate. Paint Walther's new heavy cars are painted (two tone grey). This is a regulation from 1954. Lettering & numbering The Walthers sticker gives only one name for SP, Sunburst Rose with this car. The Walthers car also has, it seems, white lettering and stripes. 12 Double Room Pullman Sleeper 12 Pullman Sleepers Used on Cascade in 1950. Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 410-412 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 410 Modeling 12 Pullman Sleepers Union Station Use Union Station #4139A for these 12 Room Sleepers 12 Pullman Sleepers Pullman Sleeper #9402 Golden Orange #9403 Golden Poppy S. 413-414 Drawing South Pacific Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 10 Roomette, 6 Double Room Pullman Sleeper The 10-room sleeper, 6 double sleepers is considered the standard sleeper of the streamlined era. As the designs evolved, the preferred accommodations strongly preferred this configuration, and most large railways operated a form of 10-6. This configuration was built by Budd, Pullman, and ACF, and no two roads were exactly the same. 10-6 Pullman Sleeper #9030-9039, 9045 10 Rmt/6 Dbl Br Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 374-385 Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, S. 374 Modeling 10-6 Pullman Sleeper The Coach Yard Plan 4140c Union Station Use Union Station #4140C für diese nummerierten 10-6 Sleepers. 10-6 Pullman Sleeper Referenz Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Schwellen und Gepäck-Schlafplätze, S. 386-388 Zeichnung Südpazifik Personenwagen Volumen 2: Schwellen und Gepäck-Schlafplätze, S. 10-6 Pullman Sleeper #9046 Golden Sun #9047 Golden Crest #9048 Golden Star Reference Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 389-390 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 10-6 Pullman Sleeper Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 391-393 Zeichnung Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 10-6 Pullman Sleeper (Blunt-End) Gebraucht auf Cascade in 1950 bis 1957. Paint #9053 war in Zwei-Ton-Grau Farbe. Referenz Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, S. 394-400 Zeichnung Südpazifik Personenwagen Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 394 Modellierung 10-6 Pullman Sleeper (Blunt-End) Der Coach Yard Plan 4140d Union Station Use Union Station #4140C zu einem Blunt End modifiziert, um einen #4140D zu machen. 10-6 Pullman Sleeper (Blunt-End) #9055 Golden Dawn #9056 Golden Wave Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, S. 401-403 Zeichnung Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 394 10-6 Pullman Sleeper (Blunt-End) Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 404-409 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Luggage Sleeping Places, p. 10 Roomette, 5 Double Room Pullman Sleeper / Coach 10-5 Pullman Sleeper / Coach #100-109 10 roomette-5BRD Sleeper Used on the Lark (Train 76) #106 10 Roomette-5BRD Sleepers #3540 10 Roomette-5BRD Sleeper. Used on the lark (train 76) #3544 10 Roomette-5BRD threshold. On the Oakland Lark (Train 73) 1941-42 10-5 and 6-6-4 Pullmans were light thresholds. All other SP sleepers were heavy. The smooth side P-S sleepers of type 10-5 are correct for SP. The 10-5 worked on the lark. Paint The 10-5 in 2-tone gray is correct. Simulated stainless steel and scarlet is OK for 10-5. Reference For modern (Post 1933) LW sleepers, the new edition of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia (RPCYC No. 11) is entirely dedicated to them. It includes Pullman, Budd and a small mention of AC&F. It deals with the history and devices such as A/C, trucks, generators, etc. Although it is not specific to Espee, it includes cars that are used by them. NMRA Bulletin June 1973 - Plans, SP 10/5 Sleeper see PT1-40 & 46 Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pp. 271-279 Drawing South Pacific Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 272 Modeling 10-5 Pullman Sleeper / Coach Brass Car Sides Kit #17 Pullman 10-5 Sleeper (Plan #4072), Cascade Series Walther ps 10-5 Sleepers / Carriage The 10-5 is good for the Lark. The chaircar is the ex-C&O, ex-C&NW cars SP bought in 1961. Make sure the chairchair is fluttering under the windows. There is information about the Walthers cars in: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia (RPCYC No. 11) Paint Walther's lists a PS 10-5 sill in stainless steel. The new Walther 10-5s have the right dark grey trucks and sub-stones. Lettering & Numbering Walther's lists a PS 10-5 stainless steel sill with red letterboard. 10-4 Pullman Cars Private Section In 1931/32 Pullman 19 plan 2412 cars to plan 2412H with 10 sections, 4 private sections. The private sections had a toilet extension. Timetables show that they were used in 1932-1941 on the lark and the sunset between LA and SF. The names of the cars that were candidates for operation in 1932-40 on the SP: Dalemont Daleside Dalerose Daleford Daleford Daleford Dalesburg Dalesburg Dalecrest Dalecrest Dalecrest Daleville Ryan and Shine in Southern Pacific Passenger Trains, Vol. 1 The Night Trains of the Coast Route state that Dalerose and Daleside were assigned to the Lark until it was streamlined in 1941. Daleford and Dalepark were assigned to Sunset Limited until it was cancelled west of LA in 1942. Dalerose and Daleside returned after World War II for the Advance Lark, which lasted only about four months. Color These PS 10-4 sleepers were painted Pullman Green. Note: Daleburst, Dale Summit and Daleville were all pensy Toscan painted. Reference Trainline #116, 38-39 Southern Pacific Passenger Trains, Vol. 1 The Night Trains of the Coast Route 10 Section, 2 Drawing Room 10-2 Pullman Sleepers Point Angeles Point Grenville Reference Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 114, 184 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Luggage Sleeping Places, p. 114, 184 10 section, 1 salon, 2 compartment 10-1-2 Pullman Sleepers #8150-8206 The second most common configuration in the SP's possession were the 10-1-2 sleepers, both plans 2585 and 3585. Some color were also painted in two-tone gray. (See Irvin) Some were painted in Pullman Green. (Lake Henderson and Lake Ordway) Lettering & Numbering After about 1948, the lettering would have been Dulux Gold, a Dupont color. Tony Thompson Allen were assigned SP numbers, but very few had actually applied the numbers. Jeff Cauthen Reference South Pacific Passenger Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Luggage Sleeps pg 76-87, 175-183 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Car Volume 2: Sleepers and Luggage Sleeps see 77, 80, 174 Modeling 10-1-2 Pullman Sleeper Branchline Trains Pullman 10-1-2 Sleeper (Lake Hancock, Lake Ariana, Lake Sheridan) Sleepers of Sleeper s. 77, 80, 174 Modeling 10-1- 2 Pullman Sleeper Branchline Trains Pullman 10-1-2 Sleeper (Lake Hancock, Lake Ariana, Lake Sheridan) Sleepers of Sleepers for SP 12-1 HVYwghtSleeper On Branchline Sleepline Kits, the roofs are the same on all your sleepers. The lengths, ricent pattern, and panel configuration are the same for the 12-1, 8-1-2, and 10-1-2. The AC line on one side (the side opposite the aisle) is the same for all three. The Coach Yard The Coach Yard (TCY) Southern Pacific (SP) 10-1-2 Pullman Lake Norris, Plan 3585A The Coach Yard (TCY) Southern Pacific (SP) 10-1-2 Pullman Lake Sylvan, Plan 3585A Walthers #932-10559 - SP Pullman Heavyweight 10-1-2 (Plan #3585, Lot #4728) 10 Section, 1 1 Compartment 10-1-1 Pullman Sleepers Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 126, 174 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 126, 174 Modeling 10-1-1 Pullman Sleeper Details Air Cucts New England Rail Service The New England Rail Service is the way to go, ducting that are really easy to apply. You get two full-length sewers, and a selection of duct end panels, with instructions. Glazing etched window glass sets can represent typical SP usage. It depends on the car and when it was built. window glass would work in SP: 10-1-1's (Palouse Falls/Prior Lake) Branchline Trains Pullman 10-1-1 Sleeper (Palouse Falls, Prior Lake) Rivarosssi Kitbash To get to cars like the 10-1-1 from the 12-1 Rivarossi model needs to be changed. A change method was published by Thomas C. Hoff in Mainline Modeler and introduced the window movement/replacement process for changing Pullman configurations. Once the modeling window correction part is complete, you can address the roof and other details. Essentially, all room accommodation cars purchased from Pullman from Southern Pacific were air-conditioned, so you need to model the roof with the kind of add-on air ducts that Pullman applied. Today, the part of the New England Rail Service (NERS) is #250 the way to go, with lines that fit the Rivarossi roof very well and are really easy to use. You get two full-length sewers, and a selection of duct end panels, with instructions. You to find a photo from which you want to accurately reproduce a particular car. Tony Thompson Paint Airbrush the car sides and ends with Tru-Color Paint #135, SP Dark Olive Green. Roof Final Roof Color will be a pretty dark gray to suggest weathered black roof cement. For this use the Tamiya Gunship Grey color, their No. TS-48. Tony Thompson 8-6 Sleepers 8-6 Sleepers Golden State Pullmans The 8-6 Sleepers (8 rooms, 6 doubles) were CRI&P and were delivered in 1954. No one has ever lost the side flute. Paint The Daylight Red and Simulated Stainless Steel (SSS) Paint on the Golden State was replaced in 1953/1955. CRI&P cars landed completely SSS and the SP cars were painted SSS with daylight red letterboard in black. Lettering & Numbering The SP cars also had a Golden State Ball and wing badge. After 1958, the daylight red letterboard in Scarlet was re-established without edges. The insignia were also resurrected; dark grey letters replace the Daylight Orange. Train-specific insignia were dropped in 1963 and replaced with a generic ball and wing badge. 8 Section, 5 Double Room 8-5 Sleepers #8350 Clover Blossom #8351 Clover Colony #8352 Clover Dish #8353 Clover Crown #8354 Clover Dell #8355 Clover Tor #8356 Clover Jewel #8357 Clover Gloss #8358 Clover Gully #8360 #8359 Clover Haven #8361 Clover Haven #8361 Clover Home #8362 Clover Mountain #8363 Clover Shore T& ;NO 819 Clover Acres T&NO 820 Clover Dale Clover Gap Clover Garland Clover Gem Clover Grange Clrange Greens Sleeper orders for the Starlight SP Equipment Circular 14 shows the following sleeper tasks for the Starlight. The sleepers ran on the back of the train, every day except Saturday. September 24, 1950, January 25, 1951 & Nov 1, 1951: 8-5 HW Sleepers June 1, 1952: an 8-5 HW The Starlight DID have thresholds in its consistency according to Dennis Ryan, author of Southern Pacific Passenger Trains, Volume 1. On page 130 is a table that consists of the 1950-1951, which includes a heavy 8 section-5 bedroom car. Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 128-129 197-200 Drawing Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 129 197- 200 Modeling 8-5 Pullman Sleeper Coach Yard You make the #0410 HO Brass 8-5 Heavyweight Pullman Clover Series Plan 4036B. 8-1-2 Pullman Sleeper SP purchased 8-1-2 heavyweight sleeper plan 3979A configuration. (8 section/1 Dr. Rm/2 threshold). There were 22 8-1-2 sleepers. According to the Car Assignment Database, before 1942, 8-1-2 cars were not used on any Coast SP trains. Jeff Cauthen Pullman Sleeper, 8-1-2, (Plan-3979A) ; SP had 15 #8250 Centaurora #8251 Centgarde #8252 Centridge #8253 Centspur #8254 De Coverley #8255 De Peyster #8256 De Young #8257 De Wolf #8258 De Forest #8259 De Lancy #8260 Des Plaines #8261- 8264 Rock (...) Color They were two-tone gray for SP. Most cars, if they went too grey, did not stay by name, but went to numbers. References There is a recording of an 8-1-2 (De Forest) in two-color gray in the Sep/Oct '81 edition of MM. Lettering & Numbering SP lettering (DeForest). Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 185-188 Photo of 8-1-2 (De Forest) Mainline Modeler (Sept/Oct '81) Drawing Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 185 Plans, SP Pullman 2585D, 8-sec/1-dr/1-cpt Railroad Model Craftsman August 1968 Modeling 8-1-2 Pullman Sleepers Details Air Cucts New England Rail Service The New England Rail Service is the way to go, with lines that are really easy to use. You get two full-length sewers, and a selection of duct end panels, with instructions. Glazing etched window glass sets can represent typical SP usage. It depends on the car and when it was built. window would be in SP: 8-1-2's (Rock Bay/De Wolf/Des Plaines) Branchline The Branchline #50xx series SP 8-1-2 Pullman cars are correct for SP Coast Line trains. They come as Pullman 8-1-2 sleepers (De Forest, De Wolf (1948-1962), Des Plaines (1948-1959) and SP Rock Bay (1948-1962) sleeper/5017 roofs of the sleepers for SP 12-1 HVYwghtSleepers On BranchSleeper Kits, the roofs are the same on all your sleepers. The lengths, ricent pattern, and panel configuration are the same for the 12-1, 8-1-2, and 10-1-2. The AC line on one side (the side opposite the aisle) is the same for all three. Paint Branchline offers 8-1-2's painted dark green. Coach Yaed TCY Samhongsa 8-1-2 Pullman with truck choice option. Rivarosssi Kitbash To get to cars like the 8-1-2 from the 12-1 Rivarossi model, change. A change method was published by Thomas C. Hoff in Mainline Modeler and introduced the window movement/replacement process for changing Pullman configurations. Once the modeling window correction part is complete, you can address the roof and other details. Essentially, all room accommodation cars purchased from Pullman from Southern Pacific were air-conditioned, so you need to model the roof with the kind of add-on air ducts that Pullman applied. Today, the part of the New England Rail Service (NERS) is #250 the way to go, with lines that fit the Rivarossi roof very well and are really easy to use. You get two full-length sewers, and a selection of duct end panels, with instructions. You need to find a photo from which you can model if you want to accurately reproduce a particular car. Tony Thompson Paint Airbrush the car sides and ends with Tru-Color Paint #135, SP Dark Olive Green. Roof Final Roof Color will be a pretty dark gray to suggest weathered black roof cement. For this use the Tamiya Gunship Grey color, their No. TS-48. Tony Thompson Walthers #932-10059, Pullman Heavyweight Sleeper, 8-1-2, (Plan-3979A) ; SP had 15 Centgarde, Centridge, Centaurora De Forest #932-10050, Pullman Heavyweight Sleeper, 8-1-2 7-2 Pullman Heavyweight Sleepers 7-2 Pullman Heavyweight Sleepers These used the plan 2522/2522A/2522C. The 7-2 sleepers were used on SP in the late 40s and early 50s. Pullman 7-2 sleepers purchased by SP were purchased for the conversion to Bunk or Roadway Service. SP never had 7-2 thresholds, effective 12/31/1948, for use on their trains. 7-2 thresholds were the Lark (before 1941) and Advance Lark (post-war period) over the years It is unlikely that 7-2s saw a lot of sales service on the SP after World War II. It seems that the SP acquired about 10 units in 1949, at least six of which go to SPMW within a short period of time. Bernardo 2522c, Ice A/C [scrapped unknown date] Chalons 2522b, no A/C, 2410 truck, acq. 16.08.49, according to SPMW4893 10/10/51 Coventry 2522b, no A/C. 1910 truck, acq. 1949, to SPMW4888 07/31/51 Custer 2522f, PMB A/C, 1910A truck, Pullman Pool from 15.07.41 Ladrillo 2522b, no A/C, 2410 truck, acq. 1949, to SPMW4889 11/13/51 needles 2522a, no A/C, 1910 truck, acq. 1949, to SPMW4882 07/14/50 President Cleveland 2522c, no A/C, 242 trucks, acq. 1949, to SPMW4895 09/13/51 President Grant 2522c, No A/C, 242 trucks President Harrison 2522c, Ice A/C, 242 TRUCKS President Jackson 2522c, no A/C, 242 trucks Raton 2522f, PMB A/C, 1910A trucks, Pullman Pool from 07/15/41 Ruskin 2522a, no A/C, 1910 trucks , acq. 1949, to SPMW4891 12/24/51 Sequoyah 2522f, PMB A/C, 2410A truck Skyland 2522a, Mech A/C, 1910A truck Tantallon 2522, no A/C, 1910 truck, acq. 1949 Teviot 2522, no A/C, 1910 trucks, acq. 1949 Tineman 2522, no A/C, 1910 truck, acq. 1949 Trosach, 2522g, PMB A/C, 2410A TRUCKS, Pullman Pool from 15.07.41 Yemassee 2522a, no A / C, 1910 truck, acq. 1949 Color Several colors were used from time to time: silver roof on the steel cars was most common, although previous (former persons) cars are also known to have black or mineral red roofs; Pages were used in later years a slight smoke grey for MW devices, but in earlier times boxcar (mineral) red was also common. All 7-2 assigned to the lark were operated and owned by Pullman and painted like that. Reference See Shine and Ryan, Vol. 1, The Night Trains. Drawings There is an article by Mainline Modeler with plans for the 2522C Pullmans. 6 Section, 6 Roomette, 4 Dbl Bedroom Pullman Sleeper 6-6-4 Pullman Sleeper #9150 American Charm #9151 American Dairyland #9152 American Forum #9153 American Guard #9154 American Merchant #9155 American Rampart #9156 American Ranger American Ranger American Manor American Canyon American Rose smooth side P-S sleepers of types 6-6-4. Sleeper 3544 Lark761948-506-6-4 SleeperPullman Sleeper 3545 Lark75 6-6-4 SleeperPullman Joe Shine in Night Trains of the Coast Route, pg 44 Top Photo shows a 6-6-4 and 10-5 with SOUTHERN PACIFIC on the letterboard with the 3-digit number under the Lark Insignia. The caption says this photo was taken in 1947; has a number of e-units on the spot. Caption also asks why the front room on the 6-6-4 is back. Paint The 6-6-4 in 2-tone grey is correct, Simulated stainless steel and Scarlet is OK for 6-6-4. Yellow is correct for 6-6-4. Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 326-334 Drawing Southern Southern Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 329 Modeling 6-6-4 Pullman Sleepers Brass Car Sides kit #9 Pullman 6-6-4 sleeper (plan #4099), American series Coach Yard #0049.1 SP 6-6-4 Pullman with partial skirts Eastern Car Works kit #1205, American series Coach Yard #0049.1 SP 6-6-4 Pullman with partial skirts Eastern Car Works kit #1205, 85' 6-6-4 Sleeper, undec Union Station Products #4099 Pullman 6-6-4 Sleeper, Smooth Side Walthers Walthersp Pullman 6-6-4 Sleepers (*see T 76/ 37 Review) Paint When Walther's the PS 6-6-4 Sleeper slackin in the SP General Service livery released a few months ago , they mistakenly gave them black trucks and lower bodies. (*see T 76/ 37 Review)6-6-4 Pullman Sleepers 6 Section, 6 Double Bedroom Pullman Sleeper 6-6 Pullman Sleeper #8400 Poplar Cliff #8401 Poplar Cove #8402 Poplar Crest #8403 Poplar Dale #8404 Poplar Lane #8405 Poplar Lane Poplar Court Reference Southern Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 127, 201 Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, S. 127, 201 Modeling 6-6 Pullman Sleeper Soho A messing SOHO #2112 Pullman 6-6 Sleeper kommt mit dem Label Southern Pacific Lines Sunset Limited 1930 - Standard Pullman Sleeper 6 Comp. - 6 BR Poplar View. Aber es lief NIE auf der Espee. Dies tat dies auch bei anderen (ACL, CB&Q, GN, MILW, PRR usw.). Leo Pesce 6 Fach, 3 Salon Pullman Sleeper 6-3 Pullman Sleeper SP hatte 6-3 Plan 3523A Schwergewicht Schwellen. Die Advance Lark trug unter anderem eine 6-3. Die Cascade trug eine 6-3, unter anderem Konfigurationen im Jahr 1946. #8450 Glen Aladale #8451 Glen Aubrey #8452 Glen Cambria #8453 Glen Ellen #8454 Glen Gardner #8455 Glen Loma Linda #8456 Glen Mawr #8457 Glen Moriston #8458 Glen Orchard #8459 Glen Tarsan Paint Glen Cambria wurde TTG lackiert. Glen Mawr wurde Pullman Green gemalt. Referenz Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 130-132 204-206 Zeichnung Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 204-205 Modeling 6-3 Pullman Sleepers Branchline Trains Branchline #56xx Serie Pullman 6-3 Sleeper (Glen Moriston, Glen Aladale, Glen Ellyn) Paint Model #5623 Walther es #932-10409, Pullman Heavyweight Sleeper, 6-3(Plan-3523C, Lot-Nr. 6152/6341): SP hatte 5 Glen (...) ; ... Tay, Major, Huron, Gordon, Dower, Blair, Allen, Cambria Glen Aubrey, Glen Cambria, Glen Gardner, Glen Loma Linda und Glen Mawr 6-3 Pullman Sleeper Diese SP 6-3 waren Plan 3523A Schwergewichtsschläfer. Glen Castle Glen Cedar Glen Ferry Glen Garry Glen Lodge Glen Meadow Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 133 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 133 6 Single, 2 Double Bedroom, Lounge-Sun Pullman Sleepers 6-2 Lounge-Sun Pullman Sleepers #8000 Mission Dolores #8001 Mission Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 169-172 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 170 4 bedrooms, 4 Compartment, 2 Drawing Room Pullman Sleepers 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers A smooth side P-S sleepers of types 4-4-2 are correct for SP. Sill 200-205Lark 75 4 Bdr-4 Comp- 2 Drawing Rm, (*see numbering PT1-40) PT1-40Pullman Sleeper 3541Lark 75 4-4-2Pullman Sleeper Sleeper 9106Lark 76 4 -4-2 Pullman Sleeper 1955 PT1-47 Pullman Sleeper 9118Cascade4-4-2 Pullman Sleeper 1971 PT1-47 Pullman Paint The #9118 Pullman 4-4-2 sleeper was painted in 2-tone grey. Simulated stainless steel and scarlet is OK for 4-4-2. Yellow is correct for 4-4-2. Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, see 280-285 Drawing Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 280 Railroad Model Craftsman April 1968 - Plans, SP Pullman Sleeper 4069M, 4-dbr/4- cpt/2-dr, 6wh, celestory roof, modernized. NMRA Bulletin July 1973 - Plans, Sleeper 4-cpt/4-br/2-dr. Mainline Modeler April 1992 - Plans, Pullman 4069D/E/G (SP 9104-9(G), 9116-9117(D)), 4-br/4-cpt/2-dr. Railroad Model Craftsman Dec. 1966 - Plan 4069, Pullman Lightweight Sleeper, 4DB, 4 COMP, DR (9117 pictured) Modeling 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers The Coach Yard Plan 4069m Union Station Products #9113 Pullman 4-4-2 Sleeper, smooth side, use Union Station #4069H #9118 Pullman 4-4-2 threshold, was used on Cascade Union Station #4069M Walther SP Pullman 4-4-2 (*see T 76/ 37 Review)4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers #9100 Imperial Harbor #9101 Imperial Horn A smooth side P-S sleepers of types 4-4-2 are correct for SP. Paint The 4-4-2 in 2-ton grey is correct, reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 316-317 Drawing Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, s. 317 Railroad Model Craftsman February 1977 - Plans SP Sleeper 4069H 4-dbr/4-cpt/2-dr, to Auto-Liner Obs. Modeling 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers Brass Car Sides Kit #16 Pullman 4-4-2 Sleepers (Plan #4069), Imperial Series Eastern Car Works Kit #1206, 85' 4-4-2 Sleepers, undec (#200-205)(re'd 9104-9109 in 1950-1951) Imperial Series 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers #9110 Golden Mission #9111 Golden River #9112 #9113 Golden River #9114 Golden Crag #9115 Golden Beach A smooth side of types 4-4-2 are correct for SP. Paint The 4-4-2 in 2-tone grey is correct, reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2 : Sleeps and Luggage Sleeps, p. 317-323 Drawing South Pacific Car Volume 2: Sleeps and Luggage Sleeping Places, pg. 317 Railway Model Artisan February 1977 - Plans SP Sleeper 4069H 4-dbr/4-cpt/2-dr, to Auto- Liner Obs. Modeling 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers Union Station Brass Car Sides Kit #16 Pullman 4-4-2 Sleepers (Plan #4069H), Imperial Series Eastern Car Works Kit #1206, 85' 4-4-2 Sleepers, undec (#200-205)(re'd 9104-9109 in 1950-1951) Imperial Series 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers #9116 Golden Cavern #9117 Golden Trail A smooth side P-S Paint the 4-4-2 in 2-tone grey is correct, Reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, S. 324-326 Drawing Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms , p. 317 Mainline Modeler April 1992 - Plans, Pullman 4069D/E/G (SP 9104-9(G), 9116--- 9117(D)), 4-br/4-cpt/2-dr. Modeling 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers #9118-9120 4 Cmpt/4 Dbl Br/2 Dr Rm #9119 seattle Auto #9120. Used on Cascade in 1950. Paint The 4-4-2 in 2-tone grey is correct, reference Southern Pacific Pkw Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 416-420 Drawing South Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. Modeling 4-4-2 Pullman Sleepers Union Station Use Union Station #4069M for these 4-4-2 sleepers. UP Sleepers heavyweight car for SP in HO-1946 era SP cars, which would be seen in UP passenger trains in about 1946 or so. SP operated heavy sleepers on the following trains passing through Ogden, in accordance with Equipment Circular 14 of 1946 of 02.06.1946 and as amended 1/1/47 (heavyweight wagons, except as not specified; Cars operated by Ogden to/ by UP except as not mentioned): SP Heavyweight Sleepers (Transit Ogden 1946) Pacific Limited - (Train 21) - (6) 12-1s, 10-1-2 (Oakland-Salt Lake thru Ogden), 16 Section of Kansas City Effective 1/1/47. Pacific Limited (3/24) - (6) 12-1s, 10-1-2, 10 obs; 1/1/47 San Francisco Challenger (1/23-1/24)- (8) 16 sections; (5) to 1/1/1947 San Francisco Overland Limited (27-fully air-conditioned) - 4-4-2 (light), (2)6-6-4 (light), 8-1-2, 10-1-2, 6-6-4 (light, Ogden-Oakland); (1) 4-4-2, (3) 6-6-4s, 10-1-2 and 8-1-2. San Francisco Overland Limited (28 fully air-conditioned) - 4-4-2 (light), (2)6-6-4 (light), 8-1-2, 10-1-2, 6-6-4 (light, Oakland- Ogden); shows no consistency change from 1/1/47. Sleepers 1938 autos , renumbered SP9250 (Portsmith Square) & SP9251 (Telegraph Hill) Starlight 1952, removed 1953 to SF Overland reassigned 1954 West Coast reassigned 1955 Starlight Lightweight SP Sleepers (Og Transitden 1946) City Of San Francisco (101-102); - 4Cmpt-3Dr. Room/12 sections (Fisherman's Wharf/Golden Gate Park-articulated) 12 Duplex/5 Dbl. Bedroom (Portsmouth Square) 10 Roomettes/5 Dbl. Bedrooms (Ferry Building) 4 Cmpt/4 Dbl. Bedrooms (Twin Peaks, Chinatown, Yerba Buena, Cliff House) 6 Sec./4 Drawing Rooms/6Roomettes (American Ranger) City Of San Francisco (101-102); Eighth train) 4 Cmpt-3Dr. Room/12 sections (Fishermans Wharf/Golden Gate Park-articulated), 12 Duplex/5 Dbl. Bedroom (Portsmouth Square) 10 Roomettes/5 Dbl. Bedrooms (Ferry Building) (4) 4 Cmpt/4 Dbl. Bedrooms (Twin Peaks, Chinatown, Yerba Buena, Cliff House) 6 Sec./ 4 Drawing Rooms/ 6 Roomettes (American Ranger) City Of San Francisco (101-102; Tenth Train) 4Cmpt-3Dr. Room/12 Sections (Seal Rocks/Union Square-articulated) 12 Duplex/5 Dbl. Bedroom (Telegraph Hill) 10 Roomettes/5 Dbl. Bedrooms (Rincon Hill) 4 Cmpt/4 Dbl. Bedrooms (Sutro Heights, North Beach, Hunters Point, Civic Center, Angel Island) 4 Double Rooms/Lounges obs (Russian Hill); withdrawn from consisting for 4 cmpt/4 Dbl. bedroom/2 salon numbered threshold 213. Color Remained yellow and gray lacquered with original trucks. 1) Pullman drawing MD-D-4888 was published 1/27/1947 for painting UP cars in the familiar Armour Yellow and Harbor Mist Gray. Pullman was centered on the letterboard, Union Pacific was NOT originally at the corners; this was added later (probably 1950, but the date on the drawing is hidden). 2) Pullman drawing D-4940 was issued 9/18/1950 for painting UP HW sleepers in TTG. Pullman in the middle of the letter box, UP at every corner. Dark grey window band edges were silver-grey (1 3/4) in black (1/4). lettering equal. 3) Pullman drawing D-4812 issued 3/9/1946 for the TTG scheme. This drawing originally had standard Pullman lettering or OVERLAND in the middle of the letterboard with Pullman at the ends. Overland on letterboard has been removed and replaced by Pullman. Union Pacific has been added at all four corners; this revision took place on 03.10.1950. All of the above UP drawings replaced by drawing D-5645 issued 2/11/1952. Reference city San Francisco passenger cars *see Trainline #45/ 7-15 Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, p. 228-269 Modeling City of S.F. PASSENGER CARS Wright - MHP flute and smooth cars for whole trains. 1949 San Francisco Francisco

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