Wednesday, April 23, 1986 Eighth Series1R. 38 Vaisakha 3, 1908 (Saka)
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No. 38, Wedne,do)" April 23, i986/YoilokhD J, 1908 (S..4I'.4)
COLUWS
Oral An_erl to Questions : 1-30 .Starred QuestioD' NOI. 762 to 768
Written Answerl to Questions : 30-219 Starred Questions Nos. 769 to 781 30-40
U~Dltarred Questions Nos. 7330 to 7354, 73S6 to 7430 aDd 7432 40-210 to 7444 p ..... Laid on tbe Table 219-224
Bldmat. Committee- 224-225
Twenty-nintb Report and Minutes
Joiat Committee on Offices of Profit- 225 Second R.eport
Matters Under Rule 377 225-230 (i) Need to introduce a train between Delhi and Kanpur keepioa in view tbe difficulties faced by the passengers
Sbri Jagdisb Awastbi 225
(ii) Need to allow MIs Sin8baJ Super Phosphate to set up a Unit in Kanpur Shah Salem pur villago of Faizabad district of U.P. Sbri R.P. Suman 226
(iii) Need to adopt protectivo measures to safeauard tbe iaterests of farm workers incapacitated in thresber accidents
Sbri Radh. Kanta Dip1 227
(iv) NcecJ to develop piparbawa vilJaae as a t-.lurist centre Dr. Chander Sbakbar Tripatbi 227
(v) Need to live early clearance to the proposal for tbe scttifta up of a Cement plant at Jeypur in Orissa Sbri Anadi Chana Du 228
.'*'Tbe Sip t marked above the DUDe 01 a Member indicates thtit the qucsdoo WII _uaU7 uk'" OD tbc Boor of tile House by that Member. ( i) ( Ii )
(vi) Need to treat revenue village as 'defined area' instead of Tahiti Block for crop insurance and to include cotton, tobacco, sugarcane and chillies also in the crop insurance scheme
Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao ~229
(vii) Need to supply Alcohol (Rectified spirit) to West Benpl for manufacture of Momoeopatbic medicines Shri Somnath Chatterjee 229
(viii) Need to issue a commemorative stamp in memory of Sbrl Ram Prasad Bismil
Sh ri KamodHal Jatav 230 Demands for Grants (General) 1986-87-Contd. 230-257 0) Ministry of Information and Broadcastlna-colltfl. Shri V.N. Gadgi1 231
Demeods for Grants (Genera]) 1986-87-ConIJ. 257-366
(ii) Ministry of Agriculture
Sbri K. Ramachnndra Reddy 261 Shri Raj M angal Pande 26S Shri Raj Kumar Rai 267 Shri P.C. Sethi 284 Sbri Zainal A bedin 286 Shri Satyendra Narayan Stnba:. 291 Shri Ram Babadur Singb 295 Sbri S.G. Gbolap 299 Sbri M. Mahalingam 301 Shri yogeodra Makwaoa 304 Sbri K. Mohandas 309 Shri Sriballav Panigrahi 311 Sbri Amarsinh Rathawa l15 Sbri Shaminder Singh 317 Sbri K.H. Ranganath 319 Shri M.R. Saikia 322 Sbri K. Natwar Singh 325 Sbri Narayan Cbaubey 321 Sbri Jaadish Awasthi 330 ~bri ~am Na~lD~ Mistu't\ ~~) (III)
Shri Abdul Rashid Kabuli 336 Shri M.L. Jhikram 338
Sbrimati D.K. Bhandari 340 Sbri Piyul Tiraky 343 Sbri R. Jeevarathiaam 345 Shri C. Janga Reddy 347 Shri B.N. Reddy 349 S. Buta Sinab 3S1
Outstandina Demands for Grants (General) 1986-87 366-373
Ministries of Communications, Environment and Poreata. FiDaDCC. etc., etc.
Appropriation (No.3) Bill- 373-382 Bill Introduced Motion to consider Sbri G.M. BanatwaUa 374 Sbri Mool Chand Daga 377 Sbri Vishwanath Pratap Sinab 379
Clauses 2 to 4 and 1
Motion to pass
Shri Vishw8natb Pcatap Sin&b 382
Half-an- Hour Discussion- 382-400 Guidelines to States on Family Planruna
Dr. O.S. Rajbans 383 Sbri S. Krishna Kumar 387 Sbri Mool Cband Daaa 393 Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara R.ao 39S LOK SABHA DEBATES
LOK SABHA The Ganga Project Directorate bas colla- borated in tbe campaign and has contributed Rs. 15 lakhs towards the cost.
Wednesday, April 23, 1986/VaisakhG (b) The campaign has been launched 3, 1908 (Saka) only recently and as such, it is not possible to assess its impact yet.
(c) The experience gathered from the campaign at Hardwar and Rishikesh will The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of be taken into account, in formulating a the Clock. pubHc awareness campaign at Varanasi or elsewhere. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] SHRI K. PRADHANI : The Minister ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS has replied in his statement that the Indian National Trust for Art and Cultural [English] Heritage has launched a public awareness campaign in Hardwar during the recent Environmental Drive at Hardwar Kumbh Mela. May I know from the hOD. Minister wbat are tbe measures adopted *762. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will by tbis INTACH to educate tbe people, the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to to make theD know about the pollution state : of Ganga waters~ and to take necessary (a) ~'hether a Rs. 30 fakh campaign action about this ? conceived by the Indian Nationa\ Trust for Art and Cultural Heritage (INTACH) SHRI Z.R. ANSARI : This was a to perruade the Kumbh Mela Pilgrims not programme to create pu}"\Jic awareness with to pollute the Ganga river or its environ- r::-gard to keeping Ganga waters free of ment was launched at Hardwar during the polution; and the measures \\hich they have last month; taken are : (I) they have produced two special television films on the problems (b) if so, the results achieved therehy; of pollution and ao integrated approach and to river management; (2) insertion of adver- tisements in magazines; (3) multi-lingual (c) whether Government propose to posters containing messages not to pollute launch a similar media drive at Varanasi the river: (4) radio spots containing similar also where several thousand pilgrims visit messages: (5) Bhajan cassettes; (6) panels daily? and hoarding~; (7) exhibitions on Ganfa and (8) calendars and posters to be giV.!D to THE MINISTER OF STATE I"l THE the participants in the Ganga Seva sibir •. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND and related activities. FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : (a) Yes Sir. The Indian National Trust for Art SHRI K. PRADHANI: I would and Cultural Heritage (lNT ACH). a non- like to ask another question: Washing Government organisation has prepared of clothes, tbrowing of dead bodies~ ferti- aDd launched a publjc awareness campaign lizl!rs and i'lsecticides csed in paddy fields durinl the Kumbb at Hardwar and pollute river Ganga. May I know from Rilbikesb. It is learnt that the estimated the hone Minister whether there is aD), "9" 0( tb, ~mpaisn is Rs. 32.26 Jakbs. provision with the Central GanllS Authnritv 3 Oral A,,&w~r' AP&IL 23.1986 Oral An.t1V~r. 4 or any other Department to take care of in Delhi duriDg January 3-8~ 1986, had this, and make Ganga free from pollu- a focal theme on "Science and Technology tion 1 in Environmental Management". which was also attended by staff members of tbe SHRI Z.R. ANSARI The Central Department; and Ganga Authority bas been set up for tbis purpose~ ; ,e. to take care of pollution. and (b) if so, the recommendations made there are certain schemes in which three at the Congress, and the (onow-up actioD States are involved, viz. U.P., Bihar and taken thereon 1 West Benga1. These States have been asked to send their schemes to the Central THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ganga Authority which clears those schemes; MINISTRY OF SCIENCB AND and the work is under process. TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. SHRI D.N, REDDY : Sir, we were ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND told that about 25 lakbs of pilgrims were SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL) expected to visit on the main Kumbh Mela (a) and (b). A statement is given below. Day, i.e. April 14. In view of the recent tragedy in Hardwar during this Kumbh Statement Meta and other worse tragedies some years back9 will the Government consider banning (a) Yes. Sir. of such Melas in future ? (b) The recommendations made at (]nterruptlons) the 73rd Session of the Science Congress bave been finalised by tbe Indian Science SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU Banning Congress Association in April 1986. The Melas is an anti-people activity t salient recommendations are:
, SHRI D.N. REDDY : Arrangements (i) Setting up Advisory Body cannot be made for 25 lakhs of pilgrims. on Environment; Is it worthwhile to spend such large amounts (ii) Development of a National of money just to satisfy ... (Interruption,) I am also told that Sadhus were carrying Conservation Strategy; 'weapons, which was dangerous. I think (iii) Establishment of Environ- the Minister should give a satisfactory mental Management Institu- reply. tions; and THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV (iv) Integration of tbe Environ- GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker Sir. perhaps ment with Sectoral Policies. the hon. member does not know how deep certain feelings go into the Indian psyche These recommendations have been and the Government has no intention of received by the Government recently banning such Melas. Wbere there is a and are under examination by an inter- qU~stioo of what bas become the heritage Ministerial task forc~ b~aded by Secretary, of a very large number of our people, we DST. must see that we make the best arrangements and see that such tragedies are avoided. DR. T. KALPANA DEV} : In view of Banning is no 80lution tbat tbis Govern- the threat of pollution to the country's ment will ever consider. economy and health, I would like to know from the hOD. Minister whether tbe Union Science and Technology in Environ.. Government are bringiD8 the subject of mental Management pollution into the Concurrent or the Union List.· I would also like to know whether *763. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI : Will tbey win set up Environment Autbority of the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: India wherein pOJJutiOD data bank, monitoring. research and development (a) whether it is a fact that the 73rd and pollution coptrol caD ~ ~andle<;l wit~ ..ion of Indian Science CODlfess, bold ~oordioatio~, VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) Oral An.we,. 6
SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: This readings and find out whether the subject is already in the Concurrent List. atmosphere has become polluted. Now tbe It is bandied by the Central Government as wasteland Development Board has also well as the State Government. Now there been established to see that the waste land is a Department which looks after the is developed and the greenary increases in ecology and environment in tbe country all parts of our country. Apart from tbat:t and tbe necessary steps have already been there are so many other steps which have taken. been taken by the Department of Envjron- ment in order to see that the pollution is DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: Will the prevented. (InteTruplions) Government set up a Commission for all rivers so that all industries~ especially the SHRI INDRAJJT GUPTA: The mining industries causing pollution will be question is of course addressed to the Prime levied with a compulsory cess and along Minister. The Minister of Science and with the Central assistance, tbis fund may Technology has been replying and saying be utilised for that particular zone from that it is more the concern of the where it is collected. Department of Environment; nothing to prevent the Minister for Environment from SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: In fact replying; be is sitting next to him; he could the question was directed to the Department have replied. (Jnterruplion~) The statement of Science and Technology because the which has been laid 00 the Table is very Department of Science and Technology disappointing, because all it said is that jt does the funding for the Indian Science has indicated that some more institutions or Congress. In fact these details can be given bodies or boards and such kind of by the It>epartment of Environment. But my administrative arrangement are going to be understanding is that all tbat is necessary made. But the question was reaHy, as I to see that the atmosphere remains understood is whether during the Indian po1Jution free is being done. As regards Science Congress, this theme of science and the question y,hether commissions have to technology in an environment management be appointed for the rivers and all tbose must have been discussed in depth by all things, this question bas already been tbese eminent scientists who gathered tbere. answered on tbe floor of this House. About We would like to know, apart from setting other thmgs also, the necessary information up some new departments and institutions can come from the Department of Environ- and advisory bodies, whlch is all that is ment. being said here, whether any new light was thro\\- n on how science and technology SHRI G.G. SWELL : In Europe aod should be used more meaningfully for North America, the environmental problem attacking tbese problems of pollution and is acid rain which has killed swathes of environment damage which is going on in forests and depopulated the rivers of fish. our country. I would like to know whether apart from the ruthless deforestation of the Himalayan SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: Ifhe Reaion, we are also facing such a problem Indian Science Congress provides an in this country. And what are we doing opportunity to the young scientists from about it and what are the otber environ- India to come together as well as scientists mental bazards that we are facing and how from abroad to come here and discuss some arc we tackling them ? important issues. In the year 1985. they had discussed the problems relating to the SHRl SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: I have environment and tbat was tbe main theme already stated that this question can better of the discussion. Now, after they diSCUSSed, be directed to the Department of Environ- the papers given by tbe scientists!) tbey ment. I am answering tbis question because have made certain recommendations; all the tbe Department of Science and Technology recommendations could not have been given does the funding. With this introduction, in the reply, but we have received I would like to say that the atmosphere in recommendations from them. The basic: India bas not become so polluted as to and important recommendations are that aive rise to acid rains. At different pJaces, there should be an advisory body, there we have observation centres which take tbe shoulrllva sa nQt1 ..... oftft • --'!- , Oral Answers be an institution as well as the sectoral -Diversion of five other nullahs by approach should be taken tn see that the gravity. environment is given the importance it deserves in an activities of tbe Government All the above works have been of Ind:a as well as State Governments. completed. PenlilOg completion of tbe Now, these are the rcconlmendatioDs; they permanent rooms for the generator and have considered, the rivers, they have pumping stations at Bhimgoda and Lalita considered the atm ,)~phere, they h:l vc Rau, the pumps have been installed in consider~d the forest devd')p'nent and they temporary structures so that the flow of have considered many other details. All waste water is dlVerted. The flow waste water the re.:ommendatio;ls given are with me. directly into tbe river at Har- It will not be necessary and possible for ki-P~uri and Subhas Ghat has been stopped. me to givcall thost! details. If the hon. Cleaning of Trunk Sewer lines bas been member wants, I can pass on the copy to done al~d cleaning of some branch sewers in him. progress. As a result it has been possibJe to divert the waste water from 8 nu11ahs MR. SPEAKER .. : Next question. away from the river to the Kankhal Sewage Farms. The total cost of the schemes is SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : I want to Rs. 62.43 lacs. In additioD, BHEL have make a little cl)[rection. This Conference taken steps to slOP the discharge of effluent took place in 1986, not before. from their factory and township into Ganga. First Phase of Ganga action Plan 2. The following schemes were sanctioned *764. DR. B. L. SHAILESH : Will the at a total estimated cost of Rs. 98. 75~ lakhs PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : for Rishikesh :
(a) whether the first phase of the -Cleaning and repairing 30 gully pits Rs. 1.25 crores Ganga Action Plan was put and providing 40 new gully pits. to test during the recent Kumbh MeJa at --Repair of pumps at Maya Kund. Hardwar; and -Provision of pumps at existin& (b) If so, its outcome and the experience oxidation ponds of Rishikesh. gained which could be utilised downstream in similar cleaning operations of Ganga. - Intercepting waste water from Saraswati Nullah and diversion from THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Triveni Ghat. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SARI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) -Laying of 2.6 kms. interceptina sewer and (b). A statement is given below. at Muni-ki-Reti. -New sump and pump at Muni-kc- Statement Reti. (a) 1. The schemes sanctioned for -New Swarg Ashram laying of 1.2 Hardwar consist of the following items : kms. sewer line to trap waste water. -Repair / renovation of existing p.Jmping stations at Bhimgoda, KankhaJ, -Providing septic tanks with seak Jwalapur aDd Mayapur and provision pits and repairing existing septic tank of standby diesel generating ~ets. at Lakshman Jboola.
-Cleaning of sewer lines. AJJ these works, excepting the pumpinlJ -Construction of 55 new gully pits and station at Muni-ki-Reti have been repairing 33 existing gully pits. completed. -Providing new pumping stations for 3. These works were expedited in tbe Kangri Mandie NulJah, Lalita Rau context of the Kumbh Mela 10 tbat the NulJab and Bhimgoda (lower). flow of waite water into tbe river does not VAISAKHA 3 J908 (SAKA) affect the direct use of the river water by Ganga by the IDPL and facilities have been pilgirms for batbing and religious acts. created there to check. the flow of industrial effluents into the Ganga. (b) 1. Tbe U.P. Pollution Control Board and the Central Board DR. B.L. SHAILESH : My second for the Prevention and Control of Water supplementary is as to what steps the Po]Jution have already taken measures for Government are taking to cbeck the pollu- monitoring the river quality at Risbikesh- tion of Ganga waters caused by throwing of Hardwar. Results received so far are lJalf bUTnt human bodies into the Ganga in encouraging. In terms of the Biochemical tbe upper ngion of Hard war ? Oxygen Demand (B.O.D.) and Dissolved Oxygen (D.O.) which are important indi- SHRI Z.R. ANSARI: The main stress cators of the river quality, the results are as of the Ganga Action Plan is to direct tbe follows : human waste sewerage that is tbrown into the Ganga, whicb is the major source of Parameter Average of March, pollution or to use it fOT otber purposes the three 1986 after like irrigation. years of comple- 1980-81 tion of So far as the question of throwing half and 1982 works burnt human bodies into tbe Ganga is (During concerned, I think the bodies wbich are Dec. to burnt at the ghats are burnt completely. Feb.) I do not have details as to how many of them bappen to be half burnt.
1. Biochemical - 3.17 1.8 [Eng/i5h] oxygen demand (M iligralo per SHRI SURENDRA PAL SlNGH: May Ii lre) (Standard I know whether any survey has been carried is 3 or less) out to find out as to how many industria) units tbere are in the entire Ganga basin 2. Dissolved oxy- 6.8 7.6 which are re~ponsible for the pollution of gen (~1 iJigram tbe Ganga water and how many of them per litre) have already installed effluent treatment (Standard is 5 plants? or more) SHRI Z R. ANSARI : This question 2. Similar schemes for interception and pertains to the first stage of tbe Ganga diversion of waste water irom tbe river to action plan in Ri~hikesh and Hardwar. treatment locations in the other towns Certain industJ ieo; wbich are creating po1lu- under the Gaega Action Plan are expected tion in the River Ganges have been to result in B.O.D. reduction and D.O. identified. I do not have the list of tbose increase. industries at present with me. I can provide the list to the hon. Member.
[Translation] DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO: The Kumbh Mela had taken a death ton of 50 DR. B.L. SHAILESH : J want to know people. It is because some of the VIPs were whetber Government have conducted some allowed to visit the Kumbh Mela to take scientific test to check tbe pollution caused the holy bath .. by the discharge of chemical waste flom the I.D.P .L. factory at Hardwar into the Ganga MR. SPEAKER: How can you bar aod whether any notice has been served on them? Irrelevant. or cbaUan issued apinst tbe IDPL under the Pollution Act and if so, what are the details SHRI ASUTOSH LAW: Has Govern- thereof? ment taken atJY measures to keep the Gan.. purified after first stage cleaning operation SHRI Z.R. ANSARI : A treatment of tbe Ganga is over? If so, what are tbe plant bas been sct up to cbeck pollution of measures? i i Oral An.J'fPe's
SHRI Z.R. ANSARI : After the imple- simply liven some description as to bow a mentation of those schemes. the local autho- foreigner can enter tbe Islands. But my rities will be made responsible to maintain question is 'whether Government have any those sewerage schemes. Also tbey Will be information about foreign nationals enteriQ8 regularly monitored by the Central Ganga into tbe Union T~rntory of Andamao and Authority and tbe local authorities which Nicobar bland!:>'. That he has evaded will be made responsible for the maintenance carefully. of those schemes regularly. So, the point is tbat I seek your protec- InfiUrdtion of Foreign Nationals into tion ... (Interruption) ADdaman aod Nicobar Islands MR. SPEAKER Do you have my *765. SHRI MANORANJAN protection? BHAKTA: Will tl.le Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government have any information about foreign nationals entenng MR. SPEAKER Then ask tbe into the UDion Territory of Andaman and 4 uestion. Nicobar IsJands;
(b) if so, tbe details thereof; hnd SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA : Answer to all the points in the (c) whether Government are ensuring question should be given otherwise it checks to SlOp any possible entry of becomes Irrelevant to a,k the question. terrorists in tbe Bay Islands? Now 1 am coming to my first supplementary. In the Andaman and Nicobar Islands-you THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE know its geographical location and its very MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATJONS strategic posItion-every year 15-16 boats AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are being captured by the Coast Guards or MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI by tbe Nicobar bland administration. The RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b). foreigners are coming by tbose boats for Entry into Andaman and Nlcobar Islands of poaching in the Island. Morover, I think Foreign nationals, is governed by the one information the Minister migbt be Foreigners (Restricted Areas) Order 1963. baving ... ( Interruption3) No foreign national can enter into the MR. SPEAKER : You ask tbe question Islands without special permission. Special now. You are takIDg too long. permission can be granted by Ministry of Home Affairs or officials specialy authorised SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA I to issue permits to foreigners for entenng am coming to the pointf Sir ... into, or remaining at the specified places in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. AN HON. MEMBER: That is a back- ward area also. (c) No such activity has come to the notice of the Government. However, strict SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: It vigilance is being maintained. is a backward area also. Unfortunately. the Speaker has not visited the Island. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA Once the Speaker visits the Island, I think First of all, before asking the supplementary we will get a little more assistance ..• I seek your protection ... (Int~rrupllon8)
MR. SPEAKER: Has your entry been MR. SPEAKER : We have come to an banned? agreement. Prime Minister and myself both will visit. saRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: The question a~ked is very specific. But the SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA : Minister has neither accepted nor rejected Thank you very much, Sir. The point is tbat the points raised by me. The Minister bas we have lot so many islands unoccupied. VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (S~KA)
Even in ODe of the islands named Tilng MR. SPEAKER Now put the Chona, 7S foreign nationals were found and question. births has taken place in that island but they were taken back. So~ my question is SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA : In whether there is any specific arrangement view of that, I am specifically asking the made by the Ministry of Home Affairs to hon. MinisTer v-bether he is going to intro- cbeck all those people who are entering tbe duce any kind of cbeck or any kind of Island and also whether there is any check permit system or any kind of identity card on those who are coming by ship or by air, system so tba t it is known that no to find out whether the foreigners are coming foreigner of the ethnic nature is entering tbo or Qat. This is my first question. Island.
SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : Sir, it SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, II not correct tbat I have Dot answered tbe the foreigners, as I said, have to take question of the hOD. Member. He did DOt permission to en ter the Island because it is a ask bow many entered illegally. If he had restricted area. There is a sizeable popula- asked. I would have given the correct tion of the Tamil speaking peopJe in the answer. He says whether the Government Island and we came across two cases of baa any information about the foreign Tamil speaking Sri Lankan nationals coming nationals and I have said that this is tbe there. Proper action was taken and tbey procedure by which they come and enter the were sent back. We bave not come across Union Territory ... (Interruption). Coming any such violation since then and I caD to the bon. Member's question, he has told assure tbe bon. Member that full vigilance us about tbe types of transgressions tbat is maintained. The citizens of our couotry take place. He has mentioned about the can, of course, go there, there is no bar on it. trawlers. It is true that many trawlers l)f but the foreigners are rigidly screened the neilbbouring countries illegally enter before they are alJowed to land there. ioto our waters but due to the vigilance Even in tbe matter of period of stay aod exercised by tbe Administration and by the places tbey can visit, there are restrictions. Defence Forces, a large number of tbem are And J can assure the House~ through yoo. captured. tbey are confiscated and the Mr. Speaker, that we are very mucb persons occupying them are convicted. At concious of the strategic nature of these present also, a large Dumber of cases are islands and we will do everything possible to going on and the Government's vigilance in see tbat they are properly protected. that respect has paid us dividends. As regards tbe large number of uninhabited SHRI SURESH KURUP : Is it a fact that islands, it is true that a large number of a large Dumber of Pakistani nationals are stay- islands are uninhabited but we are in touch ing in some of tbe Southern States? If so, with tbe Defence authorities. We have what is tbe number of those people and the Army battalions tbere. there is a unit of the names of the States in which they are Coast Guard also and we are in touch with staying? tbe Defence authorities to see that all possible vigilance to protect the security of MR. SPEAKER What are you the Islands is maintained. asking? SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Sir, SHRI SURESH KURUP Pakistani tbe Island bas got different types of problems nationals in soutbern States. and it bas a limited capacity for the popula- tion. But what bappens is that even tbe ethnic people~ like tbe pet'ple from Bang1a- MR. SPEAKER: That does not arise. desh or Sri Lanka. are also coming there This is a question relating to Andaman and and there is no such vjgiJance on them. Nicobar Islands. If you have a question That it why the population of the Island is pertaining to tbat. you put it. You canoot increasing at a very high rate. Cons~quent1y~ just have fixture all around free for all. a larp number of people are entetiDl tbe You put tbe question. Th< n you can ~et foreets, dcatroyina tbe forests and disturbina tbe answer. Unnecessarily wb~ ~9 )'OU ,q to othel' tn"'i,.rt~ ? J" ~kv 0' fu .,1",41. APR.IL 23, 1986
PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: How Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to it is different from the southern part of state : Andaman and Nicobar islands ...• (a) whetber Government of Andbra MR. SPEAKER: That amended ques- Pradesh has requested the Union Govern. tion can stand. ment for alienation of Reserve Forest area for its Yeleru Reservior Project; SHRI N.V.N. SOMU : The Govern- ment instead of preventing tbe entry of (b) whether Union Government have foreigners, actual1y, what they are doing is granted alienation; and this. They are demolishing the huts and bouses of the Tamil PWD workers there. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Will the Government stop doing it? I want to know it. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: There FORESTS (SURI Z.R. ANSARI): (a) Yes. Sir. is no question of demolishing any house, Jeast of all, that of Tamil speaking people. (b) and (c). Fina) decision on tbe proposal could not so far be taken on account of non-submission of essential infor- MR. SPEAKER: There is no question mation by the State Government. at all. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: The [Translation] information furnished to us by the State Government is that the entire information SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI CHATUR- has been furnished to the Central Govern- VEDT : Mr. Speaker, Sir, as ha'\ heen said ment. In spite of this. what he says is not bv tbe hon. Memher who spoke! prior to me, clear to u~. I would like to know what Andaman and Nicobar Islands is a sensitive sort of inform&tion was required from tbe place. It is an Island which i~ not inhabited State Government and when? by people at many places. Our Navy and Army are stationed at such strategic places. SHRI Z.R. ANSARI: This is a case According to the information received, the which was presented to the Central Govern- foreign and anarchic elements are infiltrating ment in 1984 and incomplete information into our Bay of Bengal. Such places which was provided by the State Government. are not inhabited by people are very impor- Many reminders were sent to the State tant from security point of view. I want to Government but they did not respond to know from tbe hOil. Minister whether he the correspondence sent by this Department bas received inform'ltion to the effect that and they did not send the information. So such e1ements are infiltrating there? ultimately the case had to be closed down. Again it was reopened. And it was reopen- MR. SPEAKER: The hone Minister ed with similar incomplete information. bas just now replied to it ? There are certain basic requirements for the SHRIMATI VIDYAWATI CHATUR- clearance. In certain projects, vast area of VEDI : When was it re-plied to ? forest is submerged; then tbe project should give the scheme about the compensatory. MR. SPE,'\KER: You have not listened afforestation, cost benefit analysis, rehabili- to that. tation plan for oustees especially when larle number of oustees are scheduled [Engl/,h] castes and scheduJed tribes p(opJe and the feasibility of realigning tbe left bank canal so as to reduce the use of AJlf'oation of Reserved Fore"t Area forest area. for Yeleru Re.enoir Project (A.P.)1 ThelC are the details which we ~lTe lack- .'·UL C'lJD' hl VRNJ(' AT 4 R ATN AM. in-:- And tin todav we ·ar. not - in rcoiDC CII' VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) these details. No scheme for compensatory elude 1134 persons belonging to the Schedu- afforestation has been received. No scheme led Tribes and 1957 Scheduled Castes. That for rehabilitation plan is received. These means, there are around 3000 Scheduled arc the basic requirements which we have Castes and ·Scheduled Tribes people and not received aed till we receive this informa- 10,100 people altogether. Now, the State tion, it is not possible for us to clear the Government has gone ahead with the pJan project. to submerge these poor peop1e without even arranging their rehabilitation. How can we SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: Sir, clear something like this? the main purpose of this project is to supply 1275 cusecs of water to Visakbapatnam steel Sir, there is a submergence of 1525 plant which you also considered is a very im- hectares of forest Jand, but no alternative portant steel plant; I am surprised to hear forest ha~ been propoced; I do not ha\'e that it is now closed. So. unless it is cleared the exact Dumber here, but approximately tbere is no possibility of going further, and 30 per cent of the forest has been lost in out of Rs. 147 crores of total expenditure of Andbra Pradesh over the past 7 or 8 years. tbe project, the State Government bas al- So, deforestation bas been going on very ready spent Rs. 62 crores and the other rapidly. We are seeing right across the work could not be proceeded because the country the effect~ of deforestation with Government did not give clearance. Now, the drought and the change of climate. Last you say that the entire file is closed. Then year we spent vast amounts on drought how to get on with this Visakbapatnam steel relief, amounts which we never spent before. plant 1 Unles~ the water is supplied to the Now, if we ar~ not going to be careful about Vlsakbapatnam steel plant, it could not go our forests, bow can we survive this? And further. I would request the hon. Members to preli- surise their own State Government to see PROF. N.G. RANGA: Rut you must tbat the projects are not taken up and give the information. money is not spent before all the require- (Interruptions) ments are fUlfilled because otherwise tbat puts us in a very awkward position. A AN HON. MEMBER: It is supplied State spends Rs. 60 to Rs. 70 crores and already. says, 'Now we cannot rehabilitate these people, we do not know where to give you SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: The the forests\ and the result is that the project information furnished to us by the Sta.te gets delayed. If the States are reaUy Government is that the entire information serious about a rarticular prl'ject. then we was furnished to the Centre long hack. And expect that such ideas and such questions now you say that the entire matter is closed. will be answered before they actually start It is surprising. working. Of course, if certain States are not worried a bout where 10,000 people will THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI go, then there is very little we can do, Sir. RAJIV GANDHI) : Sir, if I may ju'\t clari- fy. Allbough the hon. Minist~r has gi~en SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: Sir. aU the information, I don't thmk anythmg the answer is beyond the point. new bas been asked. MR. SPEAKER: You have put your The fact is tbat there were five points second question. I gave you the cbance for which tbe Minister mentioned, \\-here ade- the second Supplementary. You have put quate information bas not been given and I two questions. would just like to highlight two of these points to give an example of the type of (In terruf)tions) action that sometimes the State Go,:ern- ment tak.e. There are basical1y two quest1ons. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM = For One, and perbaps the most important,. is the sec0t1d Supplementary, the answer is tbat of rehabilitation of the people wbo live heyond the p<,int, Sir. The total alienation is 1225 hectnres. U r lr:!'!'- it..i~ deuce', no in that area. In that area which i~. going to be submerged, tben~ are 1599 families . or water can go to the \'!H 1I fl f' 'I ~ n' Sh d JO,ll\ pcopl~ and these 10.121 people 111- Plant. l' Oral Answ~r. APRIL l3. 1986 Oral A1ISw~'.J 20
Sir, unless it is cleared, no water can go as tbe forest area is concerned. Even for to Visakhapatnam Steel Plant. Unless the tbe construction of road, even for construc- water is suppUed, tbe Steel Plant ... tion of electricity lines, even for construction of te1ephone lines, the Forest Department is MR. SPEAKER: Everything is connec- coming in the way of construction of these ted with each other. Everything has to be things. (Interruptions) put in tbe whole. That becomes so. MR. SPEAKER: Order please. Don't SHRJ RAJIV GANDHI: I may be interrupt. permitted to ask a question because I would like to clarify certain tbings which I am not SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: I would very sure about ~he question of the hone like to know, how far are we going to stage Member. Is thi1t the suggestion made by this point of afforestation. tbe bon. Member that we should aIlow 10,121 people to drown because we have to PROF K.K. TEWARY : Sir, afforesta- give water to tbe ... tion is very important.
SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: No, Sir .. SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: Sir, perhaps We will rehabilitate. the hon. Member is ignorant of the dangers of deprivation of our environment. I would SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA like just to bring some numbers to his RAO: The project started much before the notice, just to bring to his notice, the gravity Forest Act came into being. (Interruptions) of the problem These are the levels of deforestation that have taken place in tbe MR SPEAKER: Mr. Uttam Rathod. States. From Andbra, it is 36.5% reduction in the forest area; Assam 35% reduction in (Interruptions) tbe forest area. (Interruptions) I am also naming other States. Bihar 31%. I am MR SPEAKER : right. Sit down. An rounding off the decimals. Gujarat 74%. Mr Rathod. Haryana 76%. Himachal 67%. Jammu and Kashmir 31%. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: It is most unfortunate that the Prime Minister Some of the States had very little forest. says like this ... So, as a percentage, the deforestation win be much higber. But in some States which MR. SPEAKER: I will give you a have more forests, even if the deforestation supplementary. You cannot do like this. has been much more, the percentage might Mr. Ragbuma Reddy, you cannot say like appear to be less. But tbese numbers are this. I win give you supplementary. Why 30%. 40%, S(}O.,.{,. 10 one State. it is 80%, are you agitated about it? Sit down. 90%. Punjab-81 %, Rajasthan-80.7%. So, Let tbe things proceed according to the these are the levels of deforestation tbat are rule. going on.
PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Now, we have to decide what we really When tbe Prime Minister has asked a want. We from the Environment Depart- question, the bon. Member must be aHowed ment are not putting a stop to any project. to reply. We have laid down a number of rules that SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Sir, when if you are going to cut so much forest, an irrigation proj ect is prepared, there is n please give us equivalent amount of provision for rehabilitation of tbe people forost somewhere else which we can plant Or who are likely to be submerged. Compen- you can plant. We are Dot saying that you cannot do the project. But we want to see sation is given to them. In ~ome of the States. alternative land is also given to them. at the beginning, because, now when we So, I think, the contention of the Govern- look back, this has been asked some years ment is not so much COfrect. ago. The fact is that not one single State has taken one step towards afforestation on So far as afforestation is concerned, tbe any project that has been cleared from bere, government sbould Dot be 10 touch)', as far witb tbe proviso that afforestation in sOJP, VAISAKltA 3, 1908 (SAKA) 0,01 An,we,~ 22
other area will' take place-not one State, displacement of 10,000 people. Does the not one case. Now, we have to decide hone Member think that the displacement whether we are really serious about our of the 10,000 people is irrelevant? We do environmcn t or not. If the country is not not think it is irrelevant and we will not serious about it. if we do not want to live allow you ... (Interruptions). for tomorrow and we only want to live to- day, if that is the decision of our people, SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: When we then, yes, we can do that. But we must are asking about the clearance of the project know the dangers that we are letting our ...... (InlerrlcPliOlts). country in full, the dangers that we ale set- ting up for the coming generations. I would MR. SPEAKER: You get the answer request hone Members who have asked this to the question. question to ask their own States to see that SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: The fact of afforestation of the equivalent area is taken the matter is ... (Interruptions). up and I would once again request that "Please do not ask us to clear project when MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. alternative arrangements for people who are Please take your seat. being displaced are not being made." If you do not have the interests of those poor SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : The fact of people in mind, we have them at heart. the matter is that certain Members of the (Interruptions) House and certain State Governments find SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: It is the displacement of 10,0( 0 people irrelevant. the habit of the Central Government to ~ay We do not. tbat the State Government is not submitting the information. Whenever Irrelevant things SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: We do not. (lnterrupt;on~). are asked, the State Government may not be in a position to submit the information. I request tbe hon. Prime Minister that he SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : If the State send a senior officer to go to the State, to Government does not find it irrelevant, I do collect whatever information is needed fQr not see v.hy we should have to send some- 'not only tbis project but for all projects, All one to the State and \\hy the State Govern- the information can be collected then and ment cannot answer tbe question and give there itself so that things can be solved. us the scheme for the rehabilitation of these people. It is patently obvious that tbe State SHRI RAllV GANDHI: The hone Government does not find this relevant. Member finds it irrelevant that 10.000 people ate going to be rendered homeless. MR. SPEAKER: Next question, Mr. (Interruptions). (Interrurliolls). We think it is very relevant. Indrajit Gupta.
SHRI V. SOBHANADREESW ARA Pril'atisation of Secerity and CleaRing RAO : This project was started in 70s. Arrangements in Government Offices
MR. SPEAKER: It does not matter *767. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTAt : whenever it is started. It has to be ...... SHRI HAFIZ MOHD. SIDDJQ : (Interruptions). Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: There be pleased to state : is no question of irrelevancy about it. (Interruptions). (a) whether Government have decided to entrust the security arrangements and SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: I have been cleaning work at tbe Government offices asked a question. 1 may be permitted to including the prestigious Indira Gandhi answer the question. The hone Member said International Airport in Delhi to the private -If I am correct-we can just read out the sector; and transcript, if you like-tbat irrelevant Cluestions are being asked by the Centre. (b) if 80, tbe deta!h tbereof and reaSODJ The question that we are asking about is the therefor '1 23 Oral.Answer. APIUt, 23, i 986 Oral A."sw~" ~
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE complex. I want to know and also I want to DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- know whether it is not a fact that at tbe RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) and (b). TrivanJrum International Airport, for No, Sir. The anti-hijacking and security example, the cleaning operatiors have arrangements at the Indira Gandhi Interna- already been given to privato contractors. tional Airport which include frisking of So I thiok it is better to take the passengers, cnecking of their hand baggage, House into confidence becauso surveillance, guarding of access points to these cleaning operations, some aircraft, perimeter patrolling etc. are made people may think, mean ~ome sweeperA by the Police and not by any pnvate doing Jadll Lagav and all that. It 1S not like agencies. In certain areas, such as Cargo that. This cleanmg of international airports termnal, pfivatC' watcb a nd ward personnel means alJ parls, tbe different parts of tbe have been engaged under tbe overn II control airport Includmg various computer machines, and supervision of Directorate of Civil halls, cup-boards and all that have to be Aviation Security. For cle.lning work any checked and cleaned. So I want to know pnvate ptrsonnel who are employed are whether at the International Cargo Complex friskeJ and checked before entry is permited. here at the Indira Gandbi Airport and at tbe Trivandrum International Ajrport and In some parts of Nc\\ Delhi zone of at the Electronics Commission premises it CPWD, pnvate agencies have be;:en engaged bas been actually done or is it under con- on a small scale temporar jly and as a purely sideration that private parties should be make-shift arrangement. ior cleaning work. given this job and if so, why? Their entry is permitted after proper check. Tbe security arrangements of Government SHRI ARUN NEHRU: As far as the offices have not been entrusted to any Department of Electronics is concerned, tboy private agency. helve recently acquired a new computer. At tbe moment they are operating from two SHRI INDRAJIT GUPT A : The reply individual premises. Now they would be given, I think, probably conceals more. than shifting into one premise. It will tak. about what it reveals. for 4 to 6 months. For this purpOiC they do not want to have a permanent security staff This is a matter with which we are very because they will not be required after 4 much concerned, especially in view of the months. They have onb employed 8 or 10 recen~ spate of the sort of espionage a~tivi people. So there is no question of givin& it ties and aJJ tbat which have been revealed to a private agency as it is only a temporary in this country. some of them located in arrangement. some sensitive Government Departments. With regard to the cargo compJex in First of all, I would like to know the airport, in the cargo terminal for quite spedfically-if my mformation is wrong, he some time private Watch and Ward people should say 50-1 am referring to three have been employed. It is not a new specific sectors or areas where I would like phenomenon. This is going on right from to know whether non-governmental .agencies 1976 and 1977•••• have already been employed or not. One is . in the Department of Electronics and parti- SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA :·Whose cularly in their new complex here at Lodhi employees are they? Road which they are going to shift very soon or which they might have shifted SHRI ARUN NEHRU : They are already-I do not know. The Electronics private contractors. Quotations were asked Commission and also the Department of for. So we were informed by the Ministry Electronics. That is No.1. Secondly, the of Civil Aviation. International Cargo Complex. Some re- ference to tbat is made but it is Dot very Then J would like to mention here clear. The International Indira Gandhi Air- that these jobs are under tbe overall control port~ the International Cargo Complex there of the Director of Security, who is an -whether tenders bad been floated by the officer of 10's rank, and a large number Airport Authority of India for recruiting of these people who are employed from _ .. : ... ~t~ cp(':uritv servjces for this cargo the private aacnciea are ex-Servicemen. V AlSAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA)
They are basically trained in their jobs and SHRI ARUN NEHRU : As far .. We have been infoImed by tbe Mmistry of Secretariat Security Organisation is concer- Civil Aviation that they have found them ned, its function is basically to give aecurity extremely useful and they are already cover and ac(;ess control in all Central trained for this particular Junction. But Mini&tries. )n fact, even the Ministry of they work under tbe overall control of the Defence and the Ministry of Railways security which is there. I have already have their own security system. So, basi- mentioned that in my reply. So, they cally this Organisation is only meant for work under tbat and tbis bas been going the Central MiDlstnfs. I ( does not go on This is not a new phenomenon. It into Inulvldual offices. Now, this particular is going on, as ) mentioned earlier, right organisation does not have tbe strength, from ) 977. And they have recrU1ted people. or tbe manpower or the training for the In regard to TrivandJUID, J wilJ have to particular assignment of the Airport. As check from the Mmistry of CIvil Aviation. far as the Airport aUlhonty is conceDed, We do not have the facts. the MlOistry of Civil AViation are very clear on this that they have found that SHRI INDRAJlT GUPTA I am this arrangement is working extremeJy wen raising tbis Question, because you may o'er the past 7 or 8 years. And all the recall from the reports which were avaitable people, before they go into the Airport. to us in this country at Toronto Airport, are frisked away and checked. as I before the tragedy which over-took mentioned earlier, by the normal security Kani~bka, Air-India Plane.. it was reported staff. So, at this moment. Ministry of that two officers beionglDg to some private CiVil Aviation have no particular proposal party bad been put on the job of checking to cbange what they have already got. baggage before it was loaded on tbe Plane. Then, later, there was breakdown of ex- SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN Ray machine this and that and all those SINGH: Sir, the Minister, jn his reply, things you remember. But this matter is has stated that in the Department of still. I am told, under investigation. Who Electronics, computer bas been set up and were these two officers belonging to the when the computer organisation wouJd be pnvate party who were checking baggage in ODe building, tbey would be abJe to on the conveyor-belt before it ~as loaded control the people Who come and look on the Kanishka. Therefore, after all in after s:curity. I would like to know from Toronto also I presume they have got the hon. Minister is it a fact that the WiDS overall- supervision ano overall administra- of Administra tive Reforms has earlier tion and all tbat. In spite of that. these recommended that .here should be DO things do happen. We cannot afford to photostat machine in certain sensitive take risks. Therefore, I would like to Government Departments, specialIy Depart- know whether this Secretariat Security ment uf Electronics, for the reason it Force, \\ hich is in cbarge here of the security handles vcHious jnformation from Depart. arrangements of most of the Government men t of Space, Department of A tomie offices. institutions and so on .•..•. Energy and the Department of Defence. If PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: that is so, what has the Department done Parliament also. for security regarding the photostat machiue in the Department of Electronics ? SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Is it sufficiently well trained and is it adequate SHRI ARUN NEHRU: We will get in its operations and the size of the force the info; mation from the Departmeol of to look after all these places including tbe E1ectronics and tbe Department of Persoonel Airport and so on? Is it necessary to and Administrati\'e Reforms ..• bring in private parties on grounds of economy or what? Or, because there is DR. V. VENKATESH : Just DOW ban on recruitment? I do not think these the hon. Prime Minister bas said that thi; considerations should operate where security GovernDlfnt is mucb concerned abou, is concerned. And I am told there is DO the weaker sections of tbis country-parti_ Apex Body at the Centre which coordinate cularly so far as the cleaning business is all tbese activities throu~out tbe country concerned. The orivatiu.i ..... - - • in all thelilft IIlf'ln ..itiv ... ~ •• amongst the sweepers in this country. I (i) Cases in which public servants would like to know fro ..n the hon. Prime under the control of tbo Central Minister whether the monopoly peliey is Government are involved; going to be taken away and see that these sweepers are given job security and other (II) Cd"tS in Vvhicb the interests of things. This I want to know. tb~ Central Government or any public sector undertaking or any SHRI ARUN NEHRU: Sir, I do not statutory body set up and financed know what monopoly he is talkiog about. by tbe Central Government are The Ministry of CIVIl Aviation have advised involved; and that they have tenders. They find the system working. There is no firm p('ticy (iii) Cases relating to breach of Central on this. Sometime') they issue on contract laws wit'l tbe enforcement of basIs and s~)mef4me<; they elnploy. Where which 1h~ Government of India is the question of mooopoly ? is particularly con(erned. 2. However, requests are received, from [Trlln'/ution] time to time, from the State Governments Investibation of Serious Crimes for entrusting crimes falling under the jurisdiction of the State P~lice Force, to through CHI I the Central Bureau of Investigation. Such *7bS. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR cases are entrusted to the Central Bureau TRIPATHI : \ViII the PRIME MINISTER of Investigation af.er considering the merits of each case. be pleased to state:
(a) whether there is a great demand 3. The Central Government is conscious in \-aIiUUS parts of the country to get of the ne-ed to provide the Central Bureau serious crimes investigated tbrough tbe of Investigation with an adequate structure CBI; so as to enarJe it to carry out its functions effectively. For this purpose, proposals (b) if so, whether Government plopose are examined by the Government from to restIucture tht: CDI; and time to time.
(c) if SO~ tbe tilJle by which it is likely [Translation] to be done to meet this increasing demand? DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- PATHI: Sir, the hon. Minister has (English] stated that Jaw and order is a State subject. However. on the requests of the State THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Governments, investigation of serious MINISTRY OF PER50NNEL, PUBLIC offences is entrusted to the C.B.I. In this con- GRIEV ANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI nection, I would like to know tbe number of ,Po CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c). A cases of serious offences received from the statement is given below. Government of Uttar Pradesh during 1984- 85 for investigation by the C.B.1. . aod the Statement present position of these cases? In how many cases the investigations have been Public order and police are State completed and how many of them are subjects accordmg to tbe Constitution and pending? investigation of crimes and prosecution of offenders are hence primarily the respon- [English) sibility of tbe State Police Forces. The Central Bureau of Investigation is not a SURf P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir. I wbstitute for the St \te Pollee Fotce but would n0t be able to give now the number it jp. a supplementary orgauhatl(.'D, consti- of cases entrusted by the Government of tuted by the Centle, to investigah: ~p~cified Utlar Pradesh; but I can say tbat duriDI l'_H_ .... : ..... ",Qin rAtl",'nries : the years 1983, 1984 aDd 1985, the Iota) 29 Oral .huwer, VAISAKHA 3, J908 (SAKA) Written A"".".,., 3et
number of cases taken up by the C.B.I. investigated by the CBI will be tried within at tbe instance of the State Governments, a particular date or with a particular time Unio~ Territories, Supreme Court and schedule. High Courts are 60, 40 and 28 respectively. Most of these cases are in various· stages. SHRI P. NAMGYAL: Sometimes, Some of these are under triaJ and some are when, in the court of investigation by a under investigation. State Police some su'Opects die under police custody. in such cases normally what [Translation] happens is that the State Police puts up tbe case to a higher police cfficer of the same DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- Department. 10 such cases public is oot PATHY: Sir. tbe answer of tbe bon. sati5fied by the report of that finding, So, Minister does not make the whole position I would like to know v..helher the Govern- clear. In my main que~tion I had asked ment will c()n~ider enquiring inte all sLch whether there was a great demand in various cases by CBI, ~o that proper investigation parts of the country to get serious crimes is done in sucb cases. investigated through the C.B.1. The number of such cases is increasing. I would like SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: It is not to know whether in view of this. the C.B.I. in the charter of the CBI. Tbe CBI was would be expanded or re-structured? The up to specifically investigate cases of need for such expansion is also borne out corruption. But over the years we have by the fact that the number of pending taken up certain ca~es with the consent of cases in the courts during Jast few years the State Governmtnt and we are investi- bas been put at 2262. Besides. there are gating cel taio offences under certain laws. cases which are pending in tbe courts for We cannot take up a case rtgistered by a the last 4 years and are yet to be decided. State Police unless tbe State Government I would like to know from the hone entrusts to us the investigati<. n and unless Minister that when even the C.B.I. cbarge- we accept it for jnvestj~ation. It is not sheeted cases are pending in the courts for possible for the CBl to take up cases cf an the last 4 or S years, bow the offenders ordinary crime under ordinary criminal Jaws would be punished and how the Govern- for investigation. ment would be ab1e to check the crimes ?
(Eng/i,Ia)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sir, it WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS is trl'e that more and more State Govern- ments are requesting CBJ to take up more [Engli.)h] and more cases. But we cannot take aU the cases because this is essentially tbe Oats Tran~mittt'd by Insat-IB responsibility of tbe State Governments and tbe State Police. But considering the *769. SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN merits of each reference made to us, we do DEV: \Vill the l'Rl~1E MINISTER be accept some cases for inve-;tigation. There pleased to state: are guidelines within tbe CBI about which cases should be accepted for investigation. (a) whether the data transmitted by INSAT -lB in different fields is being As far as tbe pendency of tria Is in studied aod analysed by at.y scientific body; courts are concerned. tbe House knows and and you know Sir, that it is not in our control. The pendency of criminal cases is a problem (b) if so. how the data gathered so in all the States. It is our effort to ensure far has he~,,' utilised in promoting the deve- that the cases are tried &s early as possible. )oprrental activities in the country. There are so many criminal cases pendtD~
I in so many crinlinal court,. Unless special THE MIN1STER OF STATE IN iRE , courLS are set UP for trying cases investigated Ml0J1STRY OF SC]ENCE 1-- ND TICH. by the CDI, it would not be pos&ible for us NOLOC.Y AND IN THE DEfAR1MENTS lO la, witb an~ sl'"16~lty t~~t .t~e caM$ OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, AT~'M1C APRIL 23, 1986
ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE S~PPLIES (SHRI A.K. PANJA): (a) Yea, (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) INSAT- SIT. IB is a multi purpose operating satellite for long distance telecommunications. radio (b) to (d). A Statement is liven below. and TV programme distribution and net- working and meteorology. Of these, the Statement only area where the satellite itself generates data is . in meteorological applications, The Integrated Rural Energy PJanniol through a Very Higb Resolution Radiometer Programme was initiated by the Planning (VHRR) which produces cloud imagery Commission, as part of a Rural Energy data. Th" VHRR data is received and Planning Exercise, in the States of Maba ... processed by tbe India Meteorological rashtra. Karnataka, Uttar Pradesh and Department at a ~pecially set up facility viz. Gujarat in 1981. Subsequently. the Pro- the Meteorological Data Utilisation Centre gramme was. extended to four more States in New Delhi. i.e. Haryana. Himachal Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Delhi by 1984-85. (b) The processed VHRR data bas improved the quality of weather forecasts The purpose of the Programme in tbe and increased their confidence level. Quicker 6th Plan was to develop and test the availability of data enables weather fore- approach for the planning and implementing casts, storm w:unings and flood forecasts State Level Rural Energy programmes on a to be issued well in advance. Timely and pilot basis, so as to get the feed-back Dot accurate weather information has assisted only on tbe technologies. but also on the agricultural operations and helped in reduc- institutional. socio-economic and administra- ina damage to life and property due to tive aspects. for planninl and implementing floods and cyclonic storms. such programmes. For this purpose, State cells for coordinating the programmes with Expansion of IREPP different departments and project cells at the District/Block level for implementing the • 770. SHR} RAMASHRAY PRASAD programmes, were set up • SINGH: The main feature of the JREP Proaramme SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT- is the preparation of a Block level Integrated NAIK: Rural Energy plan tbrough which the Will the ~tinister of PLANNJNG be optimum mix of all energy sources, conven- tional, non-conventional, commercial and pleased to state : non-commercial are determined for meetin& (a) whether Government have decided to tbe subsistence and productive needs of the expand the Integrated Rural Energy Planning Block. Programme to other States in tbe Seventh During the 6th Plan period 20 Block Five Year Plan; level projects were taken up in the aforesaid eight States and a total expenditure of (b) if so, the details thereof and the Rs. 3.93 crores was incurred on this pro- names of the States where it will be imple- gramme in the selected States from the mented; State's budget for staff and their training in the preparation of integrated rural eoeflY (c) tbe States where such programme plans and projects; extension; demoostration was taken up earlier; a cd etc.
(d) the details of the y, ork done On the basis of experienco of the pilot under tbe above programme in those., States IREP programme during tbo Sixth Plan 80 far? period in the selected States, tho prOlramm. is proposed to act ivised in all the States THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB and Union Territories during the Seventh MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND Plan period and tbe number of blocks to be MINISTER OF STATE IN THE covered under the programmo would be MlNlSTRY Qf FooQ AND CIVIL pr... stv el)' increase4 eve!,), ye.r '0 t.,.. W VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answer, 34 tbe end of the Seventh Plan period at least THE MINISTER OF HUMAN 100 block level IRBP projects in all States/ RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT AND UTa would be set up. A provision of HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P.V. NARA- Rs. S.91 crores in the Central Sector and SIMHA RAO) : (a) No" Sir" RI. 41.8S crores in the States Sector have been made in the Seventh Plan. (b) Does not arise.
So"ey regarding People Living in Kamini type Reactor in Andhra Pradesh
Absolute Poverty ~ ·773. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the .771. SHRI CHINTAMANJ JENA PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Will tbe Minister or PLANNING be pleased to state: (a) whether there is any proposal under consideration or Government to set up a (b) the estimated number of such people (c) if not, the reasons therefor 1 in India according to the FAO; (c) when the survey was conducted and THE MINI$TER OF STATE IN THE what are the findings; and MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF (d) the remedial action taken by OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC Government in this regard ? ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND (b) Does not arise. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL (c) Kamini type reactor is a neutron SUPPLIES (SHRI A.K. PANJA) : (a) source reactor which can inler-alia be used Planning Commission is not aware of any for inspectiClD of FBTR fuel pins by neutron survey conducted by tbe Food and Agricul- radiography. Accordingly, a Kamini type tural Organisation of the United Na tions reactor is being set up at Indira Gandhi (FAO) to find out the number of people Centre for Atomic Research, Kalpakkam. living in absolute poverty in developing countries. Educationa) facilities in India for (b) to (d). Dq not arise. People of Indian Origin in Nigeria *774. SHRI K. MOHANDAS : Will Activities of Foreign Institution. the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be .772. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: Win pleased' to state: the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether the people of Indian origin working in Nigeria have sent any representa- (a) whether some foreign institutions tion to his Ministry drawing his attention to have been permitted by Union Government the pro\llems being raced by them in the by notificatioD in tbe Official Gazette to matter of educational facilities in India; carry on activities in India as per Section 2(e) or the Foreign Contribution (b) if so, tbe details of the representa- (Regulation) Act, 1976 as amended in 1985; tion; and and (b) ir so, tbe details of su~b forcian (c) what steps bave been taken ip ~ lI'''t~t'9ll' 1 rep~~ APRIL 23, 1"6 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Year 1983·84 1984-85 1985-86 AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Boys 2S17 1122 1265 RAM NIWAS MJRDHA) : (a) to (c). Some representations have been received from Girls 274 273 329 Indian Nationals and possibly people of Indian origin working in Nigeria about tbe degrees awarded by medical colleges and (b) Boys below 16 years and girls below Universities in Nigeria Dot being recognised 18 years. in India. As '8 result of this Indian students who were studying in these medical colleges/ (c) Action is taken under the Children's Universities have not been able to transfer Act, 1960. Either these children are to comparabJe Indian Institutions, or to restored back to their parents/legal practise the professions in India for which guardians or sent to Children's Homes ru~ they have acquired qualifications in Nigeria. by the Directorate of Social Welfare. This Ministry has contacted the Medical Council of India in an effort to persuade them (d) These children are not sent to jails. to recognise at least some of these Nigerian They are sent to the Children's Home I'Utl degrees so as to dlleviate tbe anxiety and by the Directorate of Social Welfare where concern of the stud ens of I ndian origin. steps are taken to impart vocational training The Medical Council of India has said that in useful arts and crafts. Educational tbey are examining the matter and that a facilities are provided to them and other decision would be arrived at as soon as steps taken to rehabilitate them in tbei!' possible. lives. VSRr8nt Children lifted from Delhi Studlel to control Air Pollution Streets *776. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI .775. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to PATlt : state: SHRT N. TOMBI SINOH : (a) whether studies for determining air Will the Minister of HOME AFfAIRS pollution and its control have been carried out at the Central Mining Research Station, be pleased to state : Dhanbad, Bihar, which clearly indicate (a) the number of teenage boys and presence of dust emission above tbe girls who were Hfted from the streets of prescribed safety limit; and Delhi on the ground of vagrancy during tbe last three years; (b) whether any similar studies have been taken up or proposed for Sikkim in (b) their age group; order to ensure that air pollution is control- led to the bare minimum. (c) the nature of action which is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE j orma1Jy taken in such cases; and MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORBSTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSAR I): (a) Cd) whether they are given menial Yes, Sir. jobs in jails after their conviction by courts ? (b) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT AND Additional IDeeDt"" to Defence HOMB AFFAIRS (SHRI P.V. NARA- PersoDDel Post•• at Border SIMHA RAO) ~ (a) The break up or the boys and girls lifted from tbe Itreets of .717. SHal MOOL CHAND DAGA Delbi on groundl of vagrancy durina tbe Wf11 tbe Miai~\'r ~f PlWSNCB be ~J~seQ '.It tbroe y~ ~s •• follOW! ;~ W.~tt; I VAI~AkBA~. 1908 (SAKA) tv,ltte" If".... 38 (a) whether it is a fact that defence THE MINISTER OF HUMAN presonnel while on border used to get benefit RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT AND of ration allowance (free ration); and tbis HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI P.V. benefit was not available to those at peace NARASIMHA RAO): (a) During 1986 stations; and upto 13th April, 86 Delbi Police bas seized 1404.868 Kgs. of cbaras and heroin. (b) whether benefit of free rations is Tbe Department of Revenue, Ministry of now being given to all including to those Finance has up to 30th March, 1986 seized who are posted at peace stations; foreign currency worth Rs. 61.44 lacs and the Custom Collectorate, Directorate of (c) if so, whether Government contem- Revenue and Intelligence, Ministry of plate to give some additional incentives to Finance bas seized Rs. 2.41 crores those at border stations V;,-Q-V;& those at worth of contraband gold during the same peace stations to boost up their morale; period. and (b) As the cases are in various stages (d) if not, the reasons therefor '1 of investigation, it may not be expedient to disdose at tbis stage the details thereof. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- (c) The following steps have been taken SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI to arrest the activities of smugglers in and ARUN SINGH) : (a) and (b). leOs and around tbe capital: ORs in the three Services have always been granted the benefit of free ration in field (i) Some active drug traffickeers/ and peace areas. All officers are entitled to smugglers operating inter- the benefit of free ratioD in field areas. stale and also internationally The concession of free ration in peace have been identified. Constant stations was extended to officers up to tbe watch is being maintained on tbem rank of Colonel and equivalent in January and on tbe drug pedaHersjsmuglers 1983 and to Brigadiers and equivalent in wbo are receiving consignments July, 1984. from the traffickeers. (c) and (d). Additional incentives in (ii) Special Vigil is maintained at tbe tbe nature of Hlgb Altitude/Uncongenial entry and exit points of tbe Union Climate Allowance, Separation Allowance, Territory of Delhi in order to Special Compensatory Allowance are already apprehend the drug pedalJers/ admissible to Defence personnel posted in traffickeers/ smugglers and effect field areas. Further incentives can be seizures. Significant seizures have considered after the recommendations of the been made. Fourth Pay CommISSion are received. (iii) Tbe Narcotic Durgs and Activities of Smugglers in aod Psychotropic Substances Act, 1985 Arouod Delbl was enacted and enforced from 14th November, 1985, providiDa .778. PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Will deterrent punishment for otren<:es the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ploased under the Act. to state: CbiDese Arms to TNV tbrough (b) if so, tbe details tbereof; and (a) whether there i. inadequate communication between tbe various scientific (c) steps taken by tbe Government to laboratories in the Indian Council of check illegal arms supply in the border Agricultural Research, the Indian Council of States ? Medical Research, tbe Council of Scientific and Industrial Research and other research THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE- institutions, tbe IndustrYt tbe users and the SOURCE DEVELOPMENT AND HOME public; AFFAIRS (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) and (b). Nothing specific tb) whether Government propose to has yet been known to establish any supply bring out a consolidated directory of all in recent years of Chinese arms through scientific institutions in the country or Bangladesh to the TNV. Ministry-wise list of institutions with location and addresses of tbeir sub-units, (c) Vigil on tbe borders bas been giving critical data of scope of work, maintained. Security operations are Dumber of staff employed, annual budget continuing. Recently the Security personnel etc.; and engaged the TNV extrernh,ts in two (c) whetere an annual publication is encounters and succeeded in recovering some also proposed to be brought out giving arms and ammunition. Besides, th~ Security institution-wise most important fiindings, personnel were able arrest 5 TVN to with practical application of each of tbe extremists while another four surrendered, research made in order to inform tbe public during current year (1986). and other scientists and industrialists etc. Rt:cruitruent of Women in Defence Forces [HE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE *780. SHR{ VAKKOM PURUSHO- lvllNISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- THAl\tAN : Will the Minister of DEFENCE LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF be pleased to state : OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC (a) whether women are recruit~d in the ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE Defence Forces of tbe country; (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) While agencies like leAR, ICMR and CSIR bring (b) if SO~ bow many of them are out publications from time to time to wOlking in the officers grade; and appnse tbe industries and end users of their facilities and achievements, it will be (c) if not, the reasons therefor? desirable to encourage more interactioD between tbem for encbanciD8 mutual THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE benefit. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI (b) Tbe scientific agencies have beeD ARUN SINGH) : (a) and (b). Women bringing out Annual Reports and Directories are being recruited in the Armed Forces periodically indicating the addresses of Medical Services. Presently. 3064 women tbeir laboratories, area of research work ~s are in service. as per tbe foHowing facilities they have. and their achievements: details : Such publications are brousht out Ministry- wise/Department-wise. Army Medical Corps 295 (c) In addition to the publicatioD Anny Dental Corps 15 brought out by the Scientific apociea, tIM Military NUlIins Service 2754 Government bas takcD sevcral meaauree 10 disseminate scientific informatioDl to tbe (c) Does not arise. public. DinemlaatioD of Result. of Research IDclulJoo of Mu.lI.. Com ••alt, fa til. lilt of other Back".rd CI ..... ·781. SURI P.R. KUMARAMAN- GALAM : Will the PRIME MINISTER be 7330. SYED SHAHABUDDlN DJeased to Ita to : Will the MiDilter of WELPARE be pltaed to state : (a) the progress in the consideration ment in favour of OBCs : (1) Andbra and implementation of the recommendations Pradesh (2) Assam (3) Bihar (4) Gujarat of the Mandai Commission on 'Other Back .. (5) Haryana (6) Himachal PradeIb ward Classes·; (7) Jammu and Kashmir (in educatioaal institutions only) (8) Karnataka (9) Kemla (b) the names of States which have (10) Maharashtra (11) Punjab (12) Tamil introduced reservatioD in education and Nadu and (13) Uttar Pradesh. A statement public employment in favour of otber showing percentage of reservations, based backward classes as on 31 December, 1985 on information furnished by the State with tbe extent of reservation; Governments during 19~5-86 is given below. (c) Governments of Karnataka and (c) tbe names of States which have Kerala have inculuded Muslim community included tbe Muslim community as a whole as a whole in tbe list of Other Backward or specified sections of Muslim community Classes. The Governments of Andhra in the list of other back ward classes; Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, Gujarat, Madbya (d) wherber Government have received Pradesh, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu' and Uttar Pradesh have included specified any memorandum demanding inler-alia, tbe declaration of tbe Muslim community sections of Muslim community in the list of as a whole, as a backward class within the OBese Haryana has reported havin, meaning of Article 16(4) of the Constitution; declared sixty six communities as backward irrespective of religion. and (d) and (e). Three representations (e) if so, the decision of Government demanding, inter-alta, tbe declaration of the thereon? Muslim community as a whole, as a back- ward class under Article 16(4) of Conati- THE DEPUTY MINIS1ER IN THE lution were received q.y Central Government MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI from tbe Secretary, All lodia G1RIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) It bas Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat, New been decided to elicit public opinion on tbe Delhi, President, Muslim Parisbad list of Other Backward Classes prepared by Calcutta and West Bengal Muslim tbe MandaI Commission. The question of League Committee. Calcutta for decJarina considering tbe recommendations of tbe Muslims as backward within the meanina Commission will arise only after a final of Article 16(4) of the Constitution. In tho decilion is taken on recognising Other ligb of the position stated in reply to Backward Classes. part (a) of tbe question above regardiDa MandaI Commission report, DO view bas (b) The following States have introduced been taken in tbe matter by the Central reservatioD in ,education and public employ- Government. Statement Statemenl showi", percentage 0/ reservation for Other Backward Classes. In Educa- tional 1II.6111UlloIU and in Service, based on in/ormation furnished by the State Gov,r"",enl$ during 1985-86 S.No. Name of State Percentage of Percentage of reservation reservation in in Services Educational Institution 1 2 3 4 1. Andbra Pradesh 25" 25" 2. Assam IS% (includina more 15% (includioa mote other back ward other backward c:Jaases) classes) 43 jjrrll,- .4,.,... , Af'IliL 2~. 1986 1Wu.. J",.." .. 1 2 3 ''- 3. Bib1lr 1(JCJ(, 12% (Extremely backwar4 classes) 8% (Backward Claasea) 3% (otber Bconomically backward classes) 4. Gujarat 10% (upto degree S% (Class I and 11) courses in medical, Engineering etc.) 5% (post graduate 10% (Class III aod IV) courses in Medicine) 5. Haryana 10% 10% 6% Backward areas 6. Himacbal Pradesh Varies from 2% to 5% 5% 7. Jammu and Kashmir 4% G ujjar and Backwards 2% Otber social castes 28% Residents of backward areas 8. Karnataka 50% 48% 9. Ker.la 5% Post Graduate 40% courses in arts and science subjects in colleges 25% Govl. Training Colleaes and Technical Edo. 10. Mabarubtra 10% 10% 11. Punjab S% 5% 12. Tamil Nadu 50% ~ 13. Uttar Pradesb 15% IS9(, (Clua I. II and III posta) 10% (CuaIV peats) N. B. Reservation for educational institutions shown above do ClOt apply to all categorics of educational institutions and apply to only cateao'. specified for tbe purpose by State Governments. VAISAIClIA ~, 1908 (SAL«) "rltt,,,~, 46 [TrtJII,lallon] of over Rs. 100 aores and has Oft!' 40 Research and National Laboratories; Eradleatloa or Po,erty of Adl'.11 Families (b) if so, the names of these institution•• with scientific and nOD-scientific or each 7331. SHRIMAn SUMATI ORAON : and tbe annual plan and Don-plan budget. Will tbe Minister of WELFARE be pleased indicating one major or Jignificant 804... to atate : of each one of these durins tbe last three years; (8) the total amount spent in Bihar, Oriua, Madbya Pradesb, Gujarat and (c) whether it is a fact tbat Deitber Rajatlthan' under the poverty eradication the names of these Jaborat~ries nor their programme for Adivasi families during progre~s reports appear in tbe Annual 1981-82, 1982-83 and 1983-84; Report of Department of Scientific and Industria) Research (1984- 85); (b) whether any survey was conducted to fiod out tbe extent to whicb these families (d) if so, the reasons thereof; and bave been actually benefited as 8 result thereof aod whether the amount spent is (e) whether tbis lacuna is proposed to adequate to brin, them above the poverty be made up? line; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, tbe out come of this survey MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- aod tbe number of families brought above NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS the poverty line in these States? OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE THE DEPUTY Ml'NlSTER IN THE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI Sir. GllUDBAR GOMANGO) : (a) Tb~ invest- ments made in poverty eradication pro- (b) The list of National Laboratories lI'ammes in tbe States of Bihar, Orissa, together with their Don-plan and plan Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and Rajasthan budgets for 1985-86 is given in the statements are estimated to be about Rs. 253./0 crores ) and II given below. A list givioa one during tbe period 1981-82 to 1983-84. significant finding for each of these laborato- ries during the last 3 years is also siven (b) aud (c). According to reports in statement-III below. received from tbe State Governments 13,44,036 Scheduled Tribe families were (c) Significant results of research and provided economic assis tance under various development efforts of National Laboratories family oriented programmes like agriculture, appeared in tbe Annual Report of the horticulture, animal busbandry, cooperation, Department of Scientifi: and Industrial leCficulture, small village and cottage Research (1984-8S). iDdustries. No detailed survey has been conducted to assess the extent of benefits (d) and (e). Do not arise. - and adequacy of fUDds. Statement-I [Enllishl Council's Establishm~nl.J Prolrn. Report. or CSIR LaboratorJe. Physical aDd Eartb Sciences National Physical Laboratory, New 7332. DR. O. VIJAYA RAMA RAO: Delhi (NPL) SHltIMATIO.K. BHANDARI: Central Electronics Enaineerina Will tbe "PRIME MINISTER be pleased Refearcb Institute, Pitaoi (CBERI) to atate : . .) "'tbor Coucil of ScioDtific aDd Central Scientiic lnsUulD.eQts Otpai".. ~4ultrJal a ...... ~l ~d"t dOB, Cbaadl~ (C$lQ) APlUL 23, 1"6 National Geophysical Research Insti tute, EualaeerlaR SeJeDee. Hyderabad (NGRI) Central Buildina Research lostitute. Roor kee (CBRI) National Institute of Oceanography, Dona Paula, G 08 (NIO) Central Road Research Institute, Now Delhi (CRRI) Cltemical Sciences Central Glass and Ceramic Research National Chemical Laboratory. Pune Institute, Calcutta (CGCRJ) (NCL) Central Electrochemical Research National MetaUurgical Laboratory, Institute, Karaikudi (CECRI) Jamshedpur (NML) Central Salt and Marine Chemicals Central Mining Research Station Research Institute, Bhavnagar (CSMCRl) Dhanbad (CMRS) Regional Research Laboratory, Central Mechanical Engineerio. Research Hyderabad (RRL, H) Institute, Dursapur (CMERl) Regional Research Laboratory, lorhat National Environmental Engineering (RRL, Jorhat) Research Institute, Nagpur (NEERI) Indian Institute of Petroleum, Debra- National Aeronautical Laboratory, Dun (liP) Banga)ore (NAL) Central Fuel Research Institute, Jealgora Structural Engineering Research Centre, (CPR1) Madras (SERC-M) Biological Sciences Structural Engineering Research Ccntre, Central Food Technological Researcb Roorkee (SERC·R) Institute, Mysore (CFTRl) Regional Research Laboratory, Bhuba- Central Drug Research Institute, nesbwar (RRL. Bbu.) Lucknow (CORI) Regional Research Laboratory, Central Leather Research Institute, Trivaodrum (RRL, Trivandrum) Madras (CLR)) Regional Research Laboratory, Bhopal National Botanical Rese;arch Institute. (RRL, Bhopal) Luckoow (NBR I) Indian Institute of Chemical Biology, Information Science Calcutta (IICB) Publications and information Directorate, Central Institute of Medicical and New Delhi (PID) Aromatic Plants, Lucknow (CIMAP) Indian National Scientific Documenta- Industrial Toxicology Research Centre. tion Centrc, New Delhi .. (INSDOC) Lucknow (ITRC) National Institute of Science, Tecbno. Centre for Cellular and Molecular logy and Development Studies, New Biology. Hyderabad (CCMB) Delhi (NISTADS) lleaional Research Laboratory, Jammu Ind ••trla' R ••earc" Allee'aUolIS (RR.L, Jammu) Institute for Microbial TechDo)oIY. Tea Reanrch AIsoclatio8. Calcutta (TllA) Cbandigarh (lMT) CSlR. Complex. Palampur, liP (CSIR BIectrica1 Researcb and ~ eo.up. "'1aJD$'\lr~ . ~'loDt ~"" ~~~ , ·.9 ',tHen Ifn,w~" VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) "rltten If.,.", 50 Statement.. II Name of the Lab. (Full Final Grant 1985-86 (R~. in lakhs) ------names in annexure) Non-Plan P:an Total 1 2 3 4 NPL, New Delhi 434.600 269.510 704.110 CEERI, Pilan; 222.060 266.590 488.650 CSIO, Chandigarh 240.020 132.220 372240 NGR1, Hyderabad 246.580 124.840 371.420 NJO, Goa 241.000 242.670 483.670 NeL, Poona 405.620 213.430 619.050 CECRI~ Karaikudi 192.652 161.710 354362 CSMCRI, Bhavnagar 138.880 129.050 267.930 RRL, Hyderabad 389.110 199.890 589.000 RRL, Jorhat 177.388 125.210 302.598 liP, Dehradun 234.790 132.110 366.900 CFRl, Jealgora 345.558 J 31.030 476.588 NML, Jamshedpur 286.974 131.820 418.794 COCRI, Calcutta 201.650 98.570 300.220 CMRS, Dhanbad 165.072 132.630 297.702 NEERI. Nagpur 184.730 ]03.710 288.440 CMERI, Durgapuf 281.J63 99.450 ~81.813 NAL. Bangalore 434.950 282.6.20 717.570 SERC.. Roorkee 43.930 111.000 154.930 SERe-Madras 78.300 173.270 251.570 RRL. Bhubaneswar 110.790 147.340 258.130 RRL~ Trivandrum 60.120 80.600 140.720 CDRI, Roorkee 171.110 92.100 263.210 CRRI, New Delbi 144.080 72.460 216.540 RRL-Bhopal 27.970 54.000 81.970 CFTRI. Mysore 293.750 118.240 411.990 CDR1, Lucknow 321.080 165.810 486.890 CLRl, Madras 187.013 144.310 331.323 NBRI, LuckDOW 168.870 82.150 251.020 nCB, Calcutta 150.245] 125.6601 275.9(5) CFB. New Delhi 34.760 183.070 t .,1"7 tl"lll I is<. - • ) lJ~titten Answer. ~1 Wrillen .A.nswer, APRIL 23, 1986 52 1 2 3 4 CCMB, Hyderabad 113.200 361.860 475.060 ITRC, Lucknow 127.317 100.320 227.637 CIMAP, Lucknow 119.510 111.800 231.310 RRL, Jammu 205.650 95.230 300.880 IMT, Cbandigarh 58.270 316.100 374.370 CSIR, Palampur 28.260 34.200 62.460 INSDOC, New Delhi 140.950 69.030 209.980 PID, New Delhj 144.760 51.420 196.180 NIST A OS, New Delhi 50.956 22.200 73.156 ••CSIR Complex. Madras 29.780 8.290 38070 TRA. Jorhat 82.000 82.000 ERDA, Baroda 2.735 5.000 7.735 Total 7719.403 5702.520 13421.923 ·.Units of various Labs./Instts of CSIR are housed in this Complex. Statement III CEERI, Pllanl - CEERI has given a lead to tbe moderni- One Significant finding (Per Laboratory) during the last three years. sation of Sugar Industry through the Applications of Electronics Technology. Process Control Instrumentation viz. (i) NPL, New Delhi Automatic Liming and pH Control System and (it) Panometer developed under tbe -Carbon-Carbon Composites 1st phase of a project financially supported Process know how for Carbon-Carbon by tbe Electronics Commission. has started Composites of the following characteristics benefitting the Sugar Industry in the developed : country since incorporation of these Instru- ments in some of tbe factories has improved tbe production as well as quality of Den5ity 1.5 gmlCC Sugar. Tensile Strength 140 MN/M2 -Microprocessor based automatic pH controller system (MAP CON) Tensile Modulus 30-35 GNM2 -Microprocessor based Pan Monitor- Two dimensional C-C Composites with ing System (M PMOS) density 1.7 gm/CC have been developed for -Microprocessor based AUTO- DRDL, Hyderabad. TEIMAC System for temperature monitoring A precision waveauide used as the primary standard of impedance at micro- CSIO, Chandlgarb wave frequencies of VSWR J.OO4 bas been designed and developed at NPL for tbe XN The delign and development of modi- (,.8~ t9 $.2 GHz) bard. fied AN-2 Plotter fitted with ran8e beariDf ~3 JVI'ltten An.. "'tl'" VAISAKltA ~. 1908 (SAKA) Iraticules for Kamorta Class Naval ships namely, monocbrotophOl, quinalphos, bas been successfulJy completed. The pro- diazinon, OOVP and MOC aU of which ject was sponsored by Indian Navy. have been commercialized with an annual turn over of tbe order of Rs. 20 crore. NIO, Goa RRL, Jorbat Under a major programme on Surveys New additive used as flow-improver in for Polymetalli:: nodules in collaboration transportation of waxy crude, namely with Department of Ocean Development, FJRJ·B suitable for Borholla crude has Surveys in the Indian Ocean were carried been developed. out. The surveys led to demorcation of prime area of 3,00,000 square Kms. and liP, Debradun the claim was filed with the UN in January, 1984. Development of lIP-ElL aromatic ex- traction process with sulpholane which bas NGRI, Hyderahad been accepted by Bharat Petroleum Cor- poration Ltd. (BPCL) and Cocbin Refi- A three-derncnsional interpretative neries Ltd. (CRL). Both these units model was derived for the Mahanadi basin process about 170,000 tonnes each of u~ing harmonic inversion of aeromagnetic reformate naphtha feed and will produce data for the ONGC with the objective of about 115,000 tonnes of pure aromatics producing a first order model of the basin (baozene and toluene) per annum. to illuminate its hydrocarbon potential and choice of exploration strategies. CFRI, Dbaobad Improved procesa for production of NCL, Pune B-napbtbo) (Beta napbthol). Ja)shakti A water absorbing poly- CFTRI, Mysore mer with ao amazing capacity of absorbing upto 500 times its weight of water has been CPTRI has provided expert help to developed starting from indigenously set up a modern plant (Rs. 20 million) at available raw material and equipment. Abobar in Punjab for processing 10,000 Use of J~lshakti can lead to increase on tonnes of Malta oranges and 5,000 toones yields ranging from 15 to 100% depending of tomato a year of AGRIVOLT, a joint on the Crop (plant) and climatic condi- venture of Voltas Ltd., and Punjab Agro tions. Industries Corporation. CLRI. l\fadraa CSMCRI, Dbavoagar The Syntans-Alcrotan and AJutan- Reverse Osmosis : Two R.O. plants developed by CLRI have achieved each of 30,000 lit/day capacity were fabri .. consumer acceptability and seven cated and installed in Two villages of parties have come forward to Rajasthan and Tamil Nadu. buy the know-bow. A pre-tanning syntan developed has been standardised at pilot CECRI, Karaikudi plant. Under a joint collaborative project witb CDRI, Luckoow DMRL, Hyderabad, CECRI team bas helped in erecting the magnesium plant to The Immunodiagnostic kits for the set up a captive magnesium unit for its detection of extra-intestinal amoebiasis bas Titanium sponge facility. The plant bas been developed and is presently undergoing beeD commissioned at Hyderabad in August, trials at the Centre for Biochemicals before 1985. it can be released to the industry. RRL, Hyderabad NBRI, LackDO" Development of process know-how for In collaboration with the Drug Standardi- a lalJe number of pesticides and funlicides sation R.esearcb Unit of tbe Central CouDdl for Research in Uoafli Medicine (CCRUM), productions by the malaria parasite staodaridization of the following Unani (Palsmodium) within the red blood ~ll. drugs was carried out by NBRl: 'Habbe- The study bas provided valuable iD~bt Tap-e-Balgbami" cHabb-e-Usara', 'Habb-e- into the mechanism of therapautic action Zebar Mobra', 'Habb-e-Tankar', 'Qurs of hydroxyquinaline class of antimalarial Habis', 'Habb-e-Ghafis', IHabb-e -Hindi drugs (such as chloroquine); the results Moballil', 'Habb-e-Hindi sual" IHabb-e- support the model tbat hemin released UPOD Sbabyar', 'Habb-e-Tabashir', 'Banadiq-ul- d~radatioD of haemoglobin forms a comp· Bazoor', 'Habb-e-Kattba.. 'Habb-e- lex witb cboroquine, and tbat tbis complex Moroyaec Sada' and 'Habb-e-Surfa'. is responsible for parasite cell lysis. The study has also severally lIeD, Calcutta showed to elucidate at last one method by which a parasite may become resistaat to In genetic studies relating to this important groups of antimalarial Vibrio cholerae with the ultimate aim of agents. developing an effective oral vaccine for cholera, genomic libraries have been cons- RRL, Jammu tructed for V chol.ae and phage genomes. Pine needle fibre beard unit of H.P. Fruit pachaging Com. (P) Ltd., (8 subsi- CFB, Delhi diary of HP Fruit Development Corpora ... tion) has been sct up (on turn key basis A number of restriction enzymes and developed by RRL (Jammu) for the manu- other fine chemicals has been produced. facture of fibre board from pine needle-. Standard biochemicals and allergens renewable forest waste. are made a vaitable to scientists, bospitals, general public etc. IMTECH, Cbandigarh CIMAP, Lun.onw RifamyclO is tbe antibiotic of choice for tbe treatment of mycobacterial infections. The Chinese antimalarial drug plant An organism bas been isolated by the (Artemisia annual has been succe6sfully iDstitute from local garden soil tentatively introduced on expetimental scale. identified as curvuJaria lanata (strain No. IMT -R-J). This organism produces an ITRC, Lucknow enzyme which converts Rifamycin B to Rifamycin-S. Toxicity evaluation of polytbene poucbes for packagiog of ARRACK (Country liquor) CSIR Complex.. Palampur was carried out for KeraJa Government. Intensive field studies for incrC!asc of 00 behalf of the Ministry of Industries, yield of teach in the Kanara Valley. Governmet of India toxicological evaluation of samples of synthetic detergents manu- factured in various organised and small CGCRI. Calcutta sector industries were conducted and safety Glass Reinforced Gypsum-suitable standards developed. This know-how has substitute for wood has been developed. been instrumental in formulating consumer safety standards by lSI and Ministry of Industry. CRRI. New Deihl Regional transportation and road net. CCMB, Hyderaba4 work planning for Bombay Metropolitan Region for tbe base year 2001. The Par.llte Moaitored b, Pltotoac::oast ie S,eetrolcoP1 (PAS) SERe, Roorkee In a novel approach. PAS has been Software packages for structural analysis of used a. in situ probe to study tbe pathway high rise buUdinp, bridles, atonp structura, of lllamoalobio depadatioa aDd 'HOUbzoio' cable structures etc. V AISAKHA 3, "908 (SAKA) CBRI~ Roorkee RRL, Bbubaneswar Systematic f>Cientific studies with ins- Pan sintering plant of 50 tpd atp&itJ trumented in situ pi!es leading to reVISlon for iron ore fines in A.P. State. of existing Indian Standard Codes and design practices. RRL, Bhopal RRL, Trivandrum Development of process for alomiJliUID Process to extend the life of coconut graphite composite materials for use .. tbatch. pistons, c},Jinder and bush beanng5. CMERI, Dargapur INSDOC, New Delbi Design and Development of self pro- Establishment of National . Science peUed combine harvestor and atuomatic Library. hand wool knitting machine. PID, New Delhi SERe, Madras Publishing of 12 (twelve) scjentiJie Computer software for design and journals. anaJysis of structure, CAD methods for structural components and CAAM for sbips NIST ADS, New Delhi and ship structures. The insritute completed a number of NEERI, Nagpur research studies, notable amoo&st these Low cost waste water treatment pro- are: cesses such as : 0) Aluminium Industry in India : (a) Waste stabilisation ponds. Promises, Prospects, constraints and (b) Mechanical surface aerators for impact. aerated lagoons. (ii) Technology developffient in the (c) Oxidation ditch. small scaJe sector and tbe uoorga- nlsed sector of Industry through (d) Biodiscs system. linkages with large scale sector. (e) Anaerobic contact upf}ow system. ERDA, Bombay CMRS, Dhanbatt Special testing and analytical facilities to the industry. New mining methods have been deve- loped for tbe extraction of coal under- neath buildings, railway lines etc. which TRA, Jorbat resulted in the conservation of about 4 million tonnes of good coking coal. Construction of a compact aDd effectjve prototype continuous fermenting machine NML. Jamsbell,.r bas been completed by TRA; it is beiol evaluated in a factory. Tbe tea-break cum Development of two new grades of stock separator, the Tocklai Tea Breaker, aluminium alloys to replace copper for has now been successfully commcrcialiscd. usc as overhead conductors in traction and a hip saeo,tb aluminium alloy for CTrans/at ion) bush bearings to replace bronze. Funds for 20-Point Programme I. BlIaar NAL, Baaga'." 7333. SHR} VIJOY KUMAR YADAV : Fatiaue life evaluation of Ajcet and Wilt tbe Minister of PROGRAMME MIG·21 aircraft for assessment in tbe IMPLEMENT A TION be. pleased to stare extension of life of aircraft. the amount spont and swrendered b, the S9 Written Answers APktL 23, 1986 IVrilten Answer' 60 Bihar Government out of the amount from the plan outlays for the relevant allotted to the State under the 20-Point developmental heads. For 1985-86 under programme during the year 1985-86 along- the various items of tbe 20-Point Programme with the p~oportionate achievements as a an outlay of Rs. 571.69 crores was provided result thereof? in tbe Bihar Sta te plan. Agamst tbis, the State Government have shown and Planning THE MINISTER OF PROGRA~ME Commission has approved a revi5ed outlay IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A.B.A. of Rs. 613.80 crores. Thus, there is no GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY): Outlays shortfall. A statement giving targets and for the vcuious items under the 20-Point acbkvements tinder various items of the Programme are not fixed separately and 20-Point Programme in Bihar for the period specifically. However, these are den ved April, 1985-February, 1986 is given below. Statement Implementation of 20-Point Programme-Bihar (4.pri I, 1985 10 February, 1986) ------~------~ Point hem Unit 1985-86 Cummutative % age No. Target Achievement (Apr. 85-Feb.-86) 3. (a) IRDP No. of families 517000 3213S3 62 (b) NREP M. days ("000) 31600 25831 82 (c) RLEGP -do- 28100 16531 59 4. Surplus Land Allottted Acres 20000 12814 64 6. Bonded Labour Famil1es Nos. 501 353 71 Rehabilitated 7. Families EconomicaDy Assi.)ted (a) S.C Nos. 300000 19867S 66 (b) S.T. Nos. 125500 102564 82 8. Drinking water No. of Villages 1022 635 62 9. (a) House sites allotted Nos. 19000 21523 145 10. (a) Slum population covered Nos. 33500 29986 90 (b) EWS Houses provided Nos. 10000 19334 103 I]. Rural Electrification (a) Villages Electrified Nos. 2000 1682 84 (b) Pumpsets Energised Nos. 12000 7872 66 12. tal Tree Plantation Nos. (lakhs) 1500 1491 99 (b) Biogas---Stales Nos. 6400 3500 5S 13. Family Planning sterili- Nos. 571000 266062 47 sations done 14. (a) PHCs Nos. 208 202 101 (b) Sub-Centres Nos. 800 400 50 15. ICDS Blocks Sflnctioned Nos. 25 25 100 VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (S~KA) [English] Orissa for disbursement of Icholanhip to physically handicapped s 1udents under tbe A •• istaDce to Orisla under Social Scheme of scholarship, fOI disabled persons. Welrare Scbemes There was a saving of Rs. 7,43.117 with tbe 7334. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD State Government from t he grants released SETHI : Will the Minister of WELFARE to them during 1984-85. State Government was apprised to utilise the saving of 1984-85 be pleased to state : in 1985-86. No fresh grant was sanctioned (a) the proposal received from Govern- during 1985 .. 86. ment of Orissa under various social welfare schemes during the years 1984-85 and 1985- 4. Setting up of Spec~al ('ell in Normal 86; and Employment Excba nge for pbysically handicapped (b) the details of allocations of grants- in-aid given by Union Government to Under this scherr e, R8. 22000 were Government of Orissa for social welfare released to the GovernmeDt of Orissa during schemes during the aforesaid period ? 1984-85. No grant was released during 1985-86 to the State Government. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI Contract Laboor System iu BEL OIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) and (b). A statement is given below. 7335. SHRI MATILAL HANSDA: Statement Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: D~talls 0/ proposa18 which have been receiv- ed from the Government of Ori.,a under various Social Welfare Scheme. during the (a) number of contract labour engaged years 1984.85 and 1985-86 and allocations in Bharat Electronics Ltd., Ghaziabad; and 0/ grant· in-aid liven by Ministry 0/ Wel- fare to the Goverllment of Orissa. (b) steps Government have taken 10 absorb tbose workers ? 1. Scheme of Post Matrie Scholarship to SC/ST Itudents THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE During 1984-85. Rs. 130.15 lakhs and DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- during 1985-86, Rs. 21.47 lakhs were given TION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI to tbe State Government. Undcr this SUKH RAM): (a) No Contract Labour is scheme, the entire expenditure over and engaged in BEL. above the committed liability of the State Government (I.~. the expenditure incurred (b) Does not arise. duriog the last year of each Five Year Plan) is met by the Government of India. Employment to Ex-Servicemen during Seventh Plan 2. Implementation of PCR Act. 1955 7336. PROF. NARAIN CHAND Rs. 1 J.67,lakbs and Rs. 7.87 lakhs were released to tbe State Government during PARASHAR: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleascd to state: 1984-85 and 1985-86 res~tively for the implementation of peR Act. 1955. Under (a) the number of Ex-servicemen regis- tbis scheme, only matching central assistance tered for employment with the Directorate of (on SO: 50 basis) over and above tbe Resettlement as on 1 April, 1986; committed liability of the State Govern- ment is released by the Government of (b) the steps taken by the Directorate India. to ensure speedy employment and whether tbe Directorate has Dot adequate cooperation 3. Scbeme of Sc.olar.blps to DisabJed from the Union Government Departments Penon. and the State Governments; Durina 1984-85. a graat of Rs. 6.67 , ~~.. ~ ~ reJoasod t~ ,~., GoverDDlCDt of (c) if so. tbe nature tberenf· .nA APlUL 23, 1986 (d) wbetber any extra efforts would ,be en devour of tbe DOR and the r.tiniatry of .made to ensure the rehabilitation and Defence to improve this 1evel of coopera- maenloment of Ex-servicemen including their tion. Ie-employment during the Seventh Five Year Plan '1 (d) To ensure rehabilitation and re. "Settlement of ex-se[vicemen~ includiql tbeir THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE re-employment during the Seventh Five Year DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESE- Plan, the implementation of the following ARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI measu~s is being given priority by Depart- ARUN SINGH) :_ (a) The Directorate of ments/PSUs of tbe Goveroment of India aDd Resettlement itself registers only ex-service tbe State Governments : Officers and sponsors them for re-employ .. ment against requisitions made by employers. (i) Effective utilisation of the reser .. Otber categories are registered by Rajya/ vat ions; ZiIB Sainik Boards and by employment excbaD@eS. The number of officers registered (H) The equation of Service trades with with tbe Directorate of Re-settlement on corresponding civilian educationa)/ the 1st April, 1986 was 1682. professional qualifications to facili- tate recruitment in civilian posts; (b) and (c). To ensure speedy employ- ment of ex-servicemen, the Directorate of (iii) The exp)ora tion and identification Raottlement inter alia: of new avenues of employment; (a) Sponsors training courses for ex- (iv) The ex.tension of the PEXSEM servicemen/retiring serving person- Scheme. nel to better equip tbem for emp- loyment; Persons raised above Poverty L'ne io Andhta Pradesh under 2O-PGiot (b) sponsers officers directly for place- Programme ment in jobs; 7337. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will (c) monitors the actual placement of the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to ex-servicemen by both Central and state : State agencies; (a) the number of persons raised above (d) fo11ews up with State Governments poverty line in Andhra Pradesh during the tbe Question of reservation in posts Sixth Five Year Plan period as a result of under them. implementing the 20-Point Programme; Further, the DGR, functioning under (b) what was the target fixed for tbe the Ministry of Defence, is instrumental in : Sixth Five Year Plan in this regard; and (c) what is target in the Seventh Plan (i) proposing the formulation of to uplift the poor people in And bra appropriate policies for the welfare Pradesh '1 of ex-servicemen; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (ii) m(lnitoring the implementation of MINISTRY OF PLANNING ANP Central Government policy; MINISTER OF STATE IN "IRE MINIS- TRY OF FOOD AND CJVIL SUPPUES (iii) overseeing and coordinating the (SHRI A.K. PANJA) : (a) Statewiae _i.. activities of State Government mates of ~umber of per$ons below t'-e agencies dealing with these. poverty line are not availabJe for tbe b,..e and terminal years of the Sixth Five Year Far dlscbaTg,ing its fu"ct\on~t the DOR Plan. By implementation of var.ious pov~ty Mek. aDd receives support and cooperation alleviation programmes such as the \Q~grated from the Departments of the Governmeat Rural Development Programme (lRDP), of India and also to varying degrees from NatioDal Rural Employment Prosramme .1 - «"1 .. _.6 __ n ...... !' ..wt ....,. .t i., fh.- (Yt"lftant (NREP)' .Dd Rural lADOJee. EIDPIOJin.C VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) Written Answer. 66 Guarantee Programme (RLEGP) which are OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC covered under tbe Twenty Point Programme E~ERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (and also due to the overall ~rowth startegy) (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Technical tbere has betm substantial reduction in and administrative feasibility to ensure a number 0( persons below tbe poverty line safe and efficient ~ystem of radioactive waste and their percentage in the population. The management at a particular site is an impor- poverty estimates are prepared in the tant consideration at the siting and design- Planning Commission on the basis of the ing stages of nuclear reactors. On the basis Quinquennial Surveys conducted by the of e1aborate and extensive investigation with National Sample Survey Organisation respect to prevaiJing environmental condi- (NSSO) on Household Consumer Expendi- tions at a particular site, appropriate limits ture and the Statewise Population figures. are established for safe release of radioactive The latest 2 surveys conducted by the wa~tes. L'quid radioactive-effiuen:s are N.S.S.O. relate to 32nd Round (1977-78) treated so that all the radioactivity is retain- and 38th Round (1983) based on which ed in concentrated from and segregated from Statewise estimates of number of persons the environment in order-to-ensure that below the poverty line and their percentage release to environment is below permissible to the total population bave been worked limits. Gaseous effluents are also subjected out for 1977-78 and 1~83-84. It is estimated to effective treatments before release to at- that the numbers of persons below the poverty mosphere within permissible limits. All line in Andbra Pradesh declined from 217.4 types of solid wastes are suitably conditioned lakhs in 1977-78 to 205.1 lakhs in 1983-84 prior to their storage in high integrity engi- during which period the percentage of neered containments. In addition there is populatioD below the poverty line also a continuous programme of surveillance and declined from 43.6 percent in 1977-78 to mODitcring in and around nuclear power 36.4 percent in 1983·84. reactors to guard against unlikely event of any uncontrolled spread of contaminaticn. (b) and (c). The target of poverty reduction for the country as a whole are (b) t-;o, Sir. India has a very high fixed by taking into account tbe growth in level of competence in management of per capita consumption and the outlays radioactive y"astes and hence import of know under anti-poverty programmes. Since how is not envisaged. Statewise growth targets of consumption are not available, no Statewise targets of poverty (c) Does not arise. reduction are fixed. Development of Integrated Forestry in Technique to Control Radio-Active Kersl. Waste 7338. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- 7339. SHRI T. BASHEER: Wi!l the CHANDRAN: Will tbe PRIME MINISTER PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: be pJeased to state : (a) whether the Government of Kerala (a) the details of steps taken for ladio- have sought any as,istance from Union active waste management in an around Government fOT the development of inte- Nuclear Power Reactors in lndia~ grated forestry project in the State; and (b) whetber technological know how for (b) if so, the details in this regand and effective Control management of radio-active the action taken by Union Governm~nt waste from Nuclear reactors is being impor- tbereon? ted; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, tbe details thereof? MINISTR Y OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : (a) No, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sir. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- I' nnv A 110.11" _-.T ...... , ... --- • - _------APRIL 23. 1986 Guidelines to deal with Communications formation has to be obtained from from Members of Parliament another Ministry or aoothe r office. an interim reply may be sent within 7340. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT fortnight indicating tbe possible SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI: date by which a final reply can be liven •. Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be plCased to state : (c) Where tbe request of a member of public could not be acceded to for 7341. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: 7342. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Will tbe Minister of WELFARE be pJeased to state: to state: (d) if so, wbether the fishermen wbo THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE have incurred beavy losses wlll be fully MINISfRY OF WELFARE (SHRI compensated for tbe losses incurred '1 GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) to (d). The reservation for bandi- DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE capped persons in Group &C· and &0' posts is RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHR! in respect of direct recruitment posts. There ARUN SINGH) : (a) Naval vessels were is no reservation in departmental promo- requested to undertake a salvage task io tions. For departmental promotions, tbe respect of an Arab Dhow manned by a handicapped are considered a]ongwith Pakistani crew wbich sank ott tbe Malvao normal persons on merit. Coast and whicb was suspected to be carryina cootraband. To discbarae the [English] assianed task Naval sbips dragged. wireropes along tbe sea bottom. Altbough fisbiDI Enforcement or Discipliae amoagst boats operating iD the area were warned to Coast Guard PersoDDel keep clear it is possible tbat some fisbina nets miaht bave been damqcd. 7343. SHR) D.P. JADEJA : SHR) R.S. MANE : (b) It bas only rec:onlly been reported Will the Minister of DEFENCE be by tbe Department of Revenue tbat a pleased to state : complaint bad been lodaed by the IS tiaher- men with the Malvan Custom House the actioD lakoo qainst the c:rew of .. L ...... _ rlaift"\i"o that ttu. ;tQn"\ORA ; ...... ~I • ._.... ._._- -~ , 11 Wrltt.n t4lUwe" APRIL 23, ~9a6 attacked Indian fishing vessels on the East Fishermen Association will be held Coast recently; to discuss aspects of mutual intercst to avoid recurrence of such (b) whether it is a fact that intemperate incidents. One such meeting hal activities of tbe Coast Guard, vis-a-vis already been held on 20-3-1986 at Indian fishing vessels were brought to the Visbakhapatnam. notice of Government earlier; Use of Hindi for Conversation with (c) if so, what were the reasons for the Foreign Officials inability of the coast Guard authorities to prevent such illegal activities; 7344. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Wul the Minister of HOME AFFAJRS be (d) whether any action has been taken pJeased to state ; against tbe officers responsible for the culpable cr(w; and (a) whether any communication bas been sent to dltIelelH Mmistries and Depart- (e) the details of measures being taken menls 01 UDlon Government to use Hindi 10 to give better training and enforcement of tbelf conVC;:1 sauons with tbeir forclan discipllOe .lmongst Coast Guard per.')onnel ? counter parts; THE MINISTER OF STATE iN lHE DEP.\RTZ\tlENT OF DEFENCE (b) whether any provision of interpreta- RESEARCH ANLJ DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Uon la~Il'Ues ba~ oeeo wade in tbe counlnes ARUN SINGH) : ta) Tbe Board of Enquiry where tben! are IULerpreters having wurk-ina instituted to investigate and fix responsibility know leuge 01 HmOJ; in the incident involving tiring by Ihe Coast Guard ~hip ·Ranladevi' 'on an Indian fishing (c) if so, whether the same provision trawler on J 5 -2-1986, off Paradip, bas caD be malle J or other languages in tbe concluded that the use of fire al ms bad to counlry; ana be resorted to by the Commanding Officer of the Coast Guard Ship because the fishing (d) if not, tbe reaSODS for sbowina tlawler had disregarded requests to SlOP and fdvourabJe alluude towards Hmdi only 1 permit inspections. The finng was intended to be of warning shots reinforcing tbe THE MINISTER OF HUMAN requests to stop. Lack. of proper apprecia- RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT AND tion of the situation on tbe part of the C.O. HOME AFFAIRS (SHRJ P.V. NARA- of tbe Coast Guard Ship. and lack of SlMHA RAO) : (a) Yes, Sir. alacri ty and awareness on tbe part of tbe Indian fhbing trawler in responding to the (b) to (d). According to the Ministry of call of the Coast Guard SblP, were factors External AffaiJs Indian-baaed Interpreters in contributory to ahe incident. For his Indian Mis~ions are normaly required to error of judgement, it is proposed to translate from English ioto local lao&uap 'CeD~ure' the Commanding Officer of the and vice-versa. However, interpretation Coast Guard Ship 'Ramadevi'. facilifies in Hindi can be provided if (b) No, sir. requiJed. Sure HlDdi and EnaIisb are tbe official language of tbe Centra) Government (c) Does not arise in view of (b) above. interpretation {acHilies in other Indiao lansuaae are not required. (d) The Commanding Officer of the Coast Guard Ship involved in tbe firiog Fire In A.hok Vjhat, Deilli incident is proposed to be ·Censured'. (e) (i) Detailed guidelines for inspection of 7345. SHR} KALJ PRASAD PANDEY: fishing vesseJs and graduated use of WiJ) the Minister of HOME AF~AIRS be force and fire arms by Coast Guard pleased to state : vessels are being issued. (a) tbe total number of persons tiUed (ii) Periodical meetings between Coast and injured so far in tbe devaltatina fire in nnQrrl. Authorjties aDd Indian Asbot Vihar, Dclbi in FebruaJ')', 1986; VAlSAKHA 3. 1908- (SJfKA) (b) tbe causes of tbis fire aDd names of (vi) To sUIICst any otber remedial tbe persons found IespoDsible therefor; measures so tbat sua. iocideate de aod Dot recur in future. (c) whether Government have completed The magistrate bas submitted hit repott tbe enquiry ioto this incident and if so, the and is under consideration of Delbi details thereof and if not, the time by which Administration. it is likely to be completed '/ Common Recruitment Rull-s in varioa. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Departments/Directorates of tbe MINJSTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Ministry AND THE MINIS1ER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 7346. SHRI AJA Y MUSHRAN : Will RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) In tbis the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to incident, 26 persons were reported killed and state: 90 -pesrons were reported injured. (a) whether recruitment ruks for 'A·, (b) The real cause of tbe fire is still not 'B\ 'e' and 'D' posts in various Depart- known. A case under Section 336/338, mentS/Directorates etc. of his Ministry are 304-A JPC has been registered at Police common; Station, Asbok Vibar and IS under investiga- tion. 5 persons were arrested in this (b) whether cadre structure/promotional connection whose names are (I) J.N. Malik, a\erues for saID' catagories of "orkers e.g. (Ii) BiDU Rai, (IiI) Ram Tiralb, (iv) Arun storekeepers in dIfferent departments tJDdrr and (v) Matru Mal. The case cootlDues to bis Ministry differ; and be under investigation. (c) if so, the reasons therefor and the (c) A magisterial enquiry was ordered remedial measures proposed to be taken by in tbe case with the following terms of the Government in this regard? reference: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB 0) To ascertain the causes leadiog to DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE the fire incident; RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) NOt Sir. Oi) The extent of loss to lives and injuries to persons. (b) Yes, Sir. (iii) To ascertain tbe adequacy of fire (c) Tbe cadre structure/promotional fighting and rescue measures as avenues for the various categories of staff', well as medical relief afforded to including Storekeepers in tbe dIfferent the victims. establbhments under the Ministry of Defence, depend upon the functional (iv) To examine wbether the use of requirements of each establishment. No infiamlnable substances like remedial measures arc, therefore" required to synthetic materials should be be taken. However, the various cadres are permitted for tbe construction. of reviewed from time to time to introduce paDdals/sbamianas erocted. dunna changes, as necessary. tbe public and private functions. US Efforts to get Naval base iD Sri (v) To ascertain tbe inadequacies of tbe existing regulatory machanism Lanka aod sugest amendmeots for cnsutilll adequate fire se(ety 7347. SHR! AMAR ROYPllADHAN: measures in tbe construction of Will the Minister of EXfBRNAL AFFAlllS sucb pandals/ shamianas such as be pleased to state: proper dcsian of .~amia~s, provision of adequato exit pomts (a) whether it is a fact tbat UC;;A ic _tt- caft4'l naval base in Sri Lanka and for militarising SINGH Will tbe Minister of WELFARE the Indian Ocean; and be pleased to state : 7348. SHRI BANWARl LAL Shortfall of Technical Manpower •• PUROHIT: Will the PRIME MINISTER Electronla pleased to state : be 7350. SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA : Will the PRIME MI~USTBR (il) wbether the Central Bureau of be pleased to state : Investigation has urged tbe Government to constitute a separate wing for dealing with (a) whether according to a study, cases of serious crimes which are presently there will be shortfall of tecbnical maopower bandied by the local police; required in tbe field of Electronics duriDa the Seventh Five Year Plan; and (b) if so) tbe reaction of the Govern- ment thereto in this regard; and (b) if so, what effective steps Govern- propose to train and develop (c) by when Government propose to ment to take sufficient manpower in tbis field? constitute a separate wing and to what extent serious crimes will be handled by the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE COl promptly ? MiNISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO .. LOGY AND IN THB DEPARTMENTS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS" AND SPACE GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SURf P. (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : Ca) and (b). CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. Department of Electronics has identitled (b) and (c). Tbe work-study of the various proarammes iD order to meet Central Bureau of Investigation is beinl the shortfall of tecbnical maDpower. TheM conducted by the Staff Inspection Unit of include : the Ministry of Finance. A report of tbe (i) Electronics Manpower Devolopment work-study ~ould indicate additional staff ProaramlDOlj requirement of tbe CBI, jf any. Necessary decision 00 the proposal of the Central (ii) Programmes reI. tina to Bareau of Investigation will be taken on application of electronics educa- receipt of the work~study report,. tiOD; aDd Step. to curb Addiction or Smack (iii) tba.e relatiDi to maopower development lpec1fically io com- ...... " ..1.tM AflIUIA. VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) Department 01 Electronics bas initiated (vi) Materials development and a Dumber of prOl1'ammes jointly with charaterisation. University Grant! Commission (UGC)/ Mini,try of Human Resource Development Education in general and technical aDd Director General of Employment and education in particular being mostly the Training. The main programmes include : responsibility of State Government and to some extent that of the Union Ministries of (I) 1 Year Post Graduate Diploma in Human Resource Development (HRD) and Computer Applications (DCA); Labour. Department of Electronics discus~d the above programmes with the States, (ii) One and Half Years Post poly- Union Territory administrations and the technic Diploma in Computer concerned Union Ministries of Human Applications (DCA); Resource Development (HRO) and Labour in a meeting called by Depart- (iii) One and Half Years Post Graduate ment of Electronics on November 14, 1985. Diploma in Computer A ppJications At tbis meeting the State Governments and in Hindi Medium. Uuion Territories were requested to draw up crash programme for meeting the gaps in (Iv) B. Tecb. manpower requirement. (y) M. Tecb. The above measures are expected to meet the requirement of technical manpower (vi) 3 years Post Graduate Mastcr in in the field of Electronics. Computer Applications (MCA). [Translation) (vii) Vocational Courses. (viii) M.Sc. (Tech.> in Electronics. Requirement of Artiftciallimbs (ix) Crash Scheme of Service Techni- 7351. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will cians. the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state : The above programmes are already (a) whether Government havo beioa carried out at various Ur.iversities, estimated the total Dumber of artificial limbs Polytechnics, Ills. etc. and will be exp.nded required every }'ear for the handicapped to more ceotres in tbe coming years. persons in the country; In addition to the above, Depatrment of Electronics (OOE) bai supported pro- (b) if so, tbe number of the artificial arammes for contiuning education, diploma limbs required for tbern; in computer enaiooering/maintenance and (c) whether artificial limbs are beiDa teacben trainina courses. supplied according to requirement; and 10 the followinl areas educational iDititutes a re beiDa Biven apistance to (d) if Dot, the steps taken/proposed to uDdertake Rand D projects and to run be taken to meet tbis demand ~ specialised shon term and loog THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE term courses to traiD and develop man- MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHill power. GJRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (b) and (c) The Building Bye-laws (c) The lake was formed Over teo 1983 make it obligatory to obts.an a ?o years ago. The extent of the Park. obj-..ction certifi=ate fro~ tb~ Chief Fire however, with has been extended and greater Officer testifying to the InstallatIOns provided protection and habitat management the for fire prev:ntion and fire safety. various species of fauna would be able to both multiply and to occupy areas in the National Park whicb hitbertofore bad Jow Adoption of fire safety measures and wildlife ~pulations. provision of means of escape in tbe higb- rise buildings which were constructed before , June, 1983 have also been recommended Forecastjng of Weatber/l\foD.008 to tbe owners/occupiers. In order to enforce 73S4. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE compliance, it is proposed to int~oduce Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to legislation during the current sessIon of state : Parliament OD fire prevention and fire safety to empower tbe Delhi Fire Service !O t8~e (a) whether Government have made afty action ap.inat occupiers/owners of h,gh-rlsc review of the existing technology used for buildings which continue to be insecure forecasting weather/monsoon and rabi raiDS .piost fire. to know bow far it is reliable and relevant for agricultural planning and for lakin. Corbett National Park preventive measures to flabt drOulht in the country; and 73S3. SHRIMATI MADHURBE SJNOH : Will the PRIME MINISTER (b) if so, wbat are tho de6ctenciea. If 8n" "nd.th& mOl tau. bY_ Oovercua.Dt to '1 W,llten AMwer. V AISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) Written An,wer, 82 evolve a technique based on improved Office and subsequently the External Affairs technology for a reliable forecasting in this Minister had raised tbe issue with the Swiss reaard? Foreign Minister during his discussion in New Delhi on 2nd April, 86. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- (c) The Swiss Government have since LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS assured us that there is no general decision OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC to deport Tamils to Sri Lanka. They pro- BNERGY, ELECTRONICS AND pose to follow a case by case basis in decid- SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) ing upon applications for asylum from Yes Sir. Tamils presently living in Switzerland. They also informed tbat most of these cases (b) At present, accuracy of Short Range concerned persons involved in vari( us Forecasts (1-2 days) is of the order of 80 ~o violations of Swiss laws. while the accuracy in respect of Long Range Forecasts (month))' and seasonal) for large Soil Erosion in Konkao Region of areas is of the order of 70%. To improve Mallarashtra due to cutting of Trees tbe level of accuracy considerable research effort is in progress. A Technology Mission 7357. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : on AgrometeoroJogical service has been Will the PR IME MINISTER be pleased to prepared for refining and extending the range state: of weather forecasting and its application to agricultural planning and operations through- (a) whether it is a fact that many trad- out the country. Under this Mission. ere; who utilise wood for preparirg coal for techniques for Medium Range Forecasting sale, indiscriminately cut down trees on the (7-10 days) will also be developed. This hills of the Konkan region of Mabarashtra Mission is currently under active considera- leading to erosion of soil on tbe hills; tion of the Government. (b) if so, whether this makes the bins Depertatioo of Tamils from Switzerland valnerable to collapse in times of calamity of fioo~s; and 7356. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY : Will the Minister of EXTER- (c) if so, whether the State Government NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: has been advised to ensure strict implemen- tation of environmental policy to prevent (a) whether it is a fact that Swiss collapse of hills due to indiscriminate des- Government have dec idcd to deport bund- truction of trees? reds of Tamils to Sri Lanka where political situation is so tense that their safety is in THE MJNJSTER OF STATE IN THE daniel; MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (b) whether Government of India have FORESTS tSHRI Z.R. ANSARI) = (a) faken up the issue with Switzerland Govern- The State Government have reported tbat ment; and DO large scale felling of trees bas taken place in Government forests of Konkan (c) if so, what is their reaction ? region of Maharashtra. But large scale THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE felling of trees has taken place 10 privately MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS owned lands fo r preparing cbarcoaJ, exposing (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN): (a) There tbe land to s('il erosion. were reports that t be Swiss Government has recently taken a decision that tbe Tamil (b) Yes, Sir. community in Sri Lanka is no lODger (c) States have been advised to identify "&eneralfy persecuted" and that there is, areas prone to landslides and erosion in the therefore. no danger in Tamils who have hilts,. and catchments of river valleys. which IOUght refuge in Switzerland being deported. require protection from felling of trees. and (b) The Government of IDd~ had ta~en to afforest them suitably io tbe shortest " this matter first with tbe SWISS Foreign possible time. 83 ,.,rltten AlUwer, APRIL 23. 1986 Written Answer. 84 Developmeat of Backward Areas Education, Rural Health. Rural Water Supply. Rural Electrification, Rural Roads, 7358. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: Housing for Landless Workers. Improvement Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased of Urban Slums apd Nutrition also tends to to state: reduce backwardness of areas. (a) whether it is a fact that the rural and remote areas are still backward while Apart from continued emphasis on all the country has entered into tbe Seventh tbe programmes indicated above, tbe Desert Five Year Plan period; Development Programme has now been made 10% centrally assisted programme in (b) if so, whether backwardness is one the Seventh Plan. Moreover, the Seventh of the 'main reasons for migration of popu- Plan also visualises decentralisation of lation to tbe cities and metropolitan cities planning as an instrument for ensuring from tbe rural and remote areas; development of backward areas. (c) if so, the details thereof and if not, [Translation] tbe reasons of backwardness of rural and remote areas; and Jobs In Electronics Industry (d) tbe steps taken for the development 7359. SHRI KUNWAR RAM: Will of tbese areas in tbe Sixth Five Year Plan the PRIME MINISTER be pJeased to and to be taken in the Seventh Five Year Itate : Plan? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) wbetber Government have formula- ted any scheme to provide jobs in electronic MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND industries to unemployed educated perSODS MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- in rural areas; TRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI A.K. PANJA) : (a) There are differ- ent types of backward areas in the country (b) if so, the number of the youths sucb as hill arells. tribal areas, drought likely to be provided jobs in each State prone areas, desert areas etc. under this scheme; and (b) and (c). Both pulJ and push factors (c) tbe arrangements made for imparting account for tbe migration of population to tbem training before tbey are provided cities and metropolitan centres. The reasons employment there ? differ according to the regional context. (d) Many programmes have been under- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE taken for the development of the backward MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- areas such as Hill Area Development Pro- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS gramme (HADP), Drought Prone Area OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC Development Programme (DPADP). Desert ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE Development Programme (DDP), Tribal (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (c). Area Development Sub .. Plans and Develop- The various schemes of the Government ment Programmes for tbe North Eastern like CLASS, adult literacy, formal and Region. Furtber, there are poverty allevia- informal education through audio-visual tion programmes like Integrated Rural aids etc. are expected to generate employ- Development Programme (lRDP), National ment opportunities. Some of these pro- Rural Employment Programme (NREP), and arammes will require trained maintenance Rural Landless Employment Guarantee manpower in ru ral areas. Department of Programme (RLEGP) which are also design- Electronics in coordination with Directorate ed to reduce tbe backwardness of the areas General Employment and Training (DOE by bringing the rural masses above tbe and T), Ministry of Labour has started a poverty line. The Minimuro Needs Pro- Crash Pccsramme of training service techni- aramme (MNP) whjch covers such vital cians for common electronics products Uk, ~Qf8 as Elementary EdueatioD. Adult rV, VCR, Taper~(;orderst etc. VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAgA) Written Answer, 8~ [English] (b) the likely production by 1990; Talks with Shri Laldenga to Guerilla (c) what is the job potentional of Problem electronics industry per rupees one crore of investment; and 7360. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (d) the main areas where electronic pleased to state: items will be used ? (a) whether talks were recently held with THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Shri Laldenga to resol ve the underground MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- guerilla problem in Mizoram; and LOGY AND IN THE DEPART~tENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC (b) if so, the outcome thereof? ENERGY, ELECTRONJCS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (8) The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE actual production of electronics during the DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- calendar year (January-December), 1985 was RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) and Rs. 2660 crores. The anticipated production (b). Talks with the MNP delegation are still for the Financial year (March, 1985 to continuing. April, 1986) is Rs. 2820 crores. Ordnance Factory in Andhra Pradesh (b) The production target for the year 19&9-90 has been fixed at Rs. 10,860 7361. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will croteS. the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : Cc) Everyone crore rupee invested in electroLlics, is expected to provide employ- (a) whether it is a fact that Union ment for over 300 persons. Government propose to establish an Ordnance Factory in Andhra Pradesh; and (d) Electronics will find application in all spheres of human endeavour especially (b) if so, the estimated cost of the industry, commerce, defence, energy, educa- Project 1 tioo, medicine, communication, agriculture, etc. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- Raids conducted for Seizure of TION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI Narcotics in tbe Capital SUKH RAM) : (a) In connection with the likely setting up of an Ordnance Factory, 7363. SHRI SURESH KURUP : Wilt the some State Governments including Andhra Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Pradesh have been approached for offer of state : suitable sites. Government of Andhra (a) the number of raids conducted so Pradesh have offered a few sites which will be evalu'tted along with others in accordance far this year in Delhi for the seizure of Narcotics; with the prescribed procedure. (b) Details regarding cost of the project, (b) the veriety and quantity of Narcotics seized in these raids; etc., win be finalised at the time of pr-epara- tiOD of the Detailed Project Report. (c) tbe number of persons arrested in this connection; aDd Production of Electronic Items 7362. SHRI V.S. VJJAYARAGHAVAN: (d) the measures Government propose to take to check the activities of the gangs Will the PRIME Ml~ISTER be pleased to dealing with Narcotics in Delhi 1 state : (a) the total production of electronic THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB itoma duriol 1985-86; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 81 Written An3*r. APttIL 23. 198 AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether several new schemes ha.. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI been formulated to be launched from the next RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) 793. financial year by various Mioistriel for improving the life and speediog up tbe (b) The details are as under :- development in rural areas; Charas 1385.194 Kg. (b) if so, details thereof and steps beiftl taken to implement them; and Opium 6(\.373 Kg. (c) whether these schemes have been Ganja 392.530 Kg. formulated as a result of the Prime Minister's visit to several States and the suggestions that emerged from the spot Smack/Heroin 19.674 Kg. study of problems? Poppy-Head 29.700 Kg. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND f\1ethaqualone 0.850 Kg. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~lINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL (c) 784. SUPPLIES (SHRI A.K. PANJA) : (a) to (c). Noy Sir. No new schemes have been (d) Following measures have been taken formulated to be launched from the next by Delhi Police in this regard :-- financial year. 1. Some active drug Traffickers operating [ T~ans/ationl inter-state and also internationally have been identified. Constant watch IS being Land Building Acquired for Indian maintained on them and. on the drug Missions Abroad during Sixtb peddlars who are receiving consIgnments from Plan the traffickers. 7365. DR. A.K. PATEL:Will tbe Minis- 2. Extra efforts have been made by ter of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to Delhi Police through the Police Stations, state : Special Staffs and the Anti Narcotic Sections of the Crime Branch to apprebend the drug peddlars/traffickers and effect seizures. Th. (a) the value of the land, buildings and drive which started on J 4th Novtmber, 85 other propertIes in each country purcbased stilI continues. by Indian Missions abroad or taken them on rent indicating the monthly rent paid by tbem separately during the Sixth Five Year 3. Close liac;ion is being maintained with Plan period; and the other enforcement agencies, specially in the cases wherein the interstate or inter- (b) the expenditure incurred on their national trafficking is found or suspected. The traffickers! peddlars are being interroga- improvement or repair etc. separately durin. this period ? ted to unearth the syndicates. 4. Special watch is being maintained at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the entry and exit points 0{ tbe Trafficking. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) The value of tbe land, buildings and other propenJes Development of Roral Areas in eacb country pUf'cbased by -our Milslons abroad is liven at Statement I and n bdlew. 7364. SHRI K.V. SHANKARA Informatioo on rents is being collected. GOWDA: Will the Minister of PLAN~ NINO be ploescd to state : (b) Information is betaa OOn ...... VAI~A~ BA S_ ... (.tdA) 1 ~ ~ ~ ~ 00 'I:) -! 0\ 00 \0 1\0 V\ 1 .. 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'0 •• III c .§ u •.. - :: ~.. t: ~ =..... wi ..c - .. ... ~ It ..... u ... I ., I t t I I 'I I ttl I I l I t § 8c u 8 8 8 I I -aI I -8 "0 c:: C c:: 3i! J u u i '5 1i 'Q -8 "0 :s!I .. E CI: ~ "i to' ~ u ·E • I _,. u f! 1 1 E .... I I "...• c 8 1t: IIa:I IIII I I .. -=.. 'fa ...... J! • aD .. ~ ! u; til- ~ •- - • ~ I I I ! 'I.. I i ~ e :2 C 0 0 .!I • • '8 .-•a j 0 ! .3 2 ~ C5 g ...: 0\ .... - • t" Iii N ~ 97 W,.ltten An,wers VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) Written Atuwe" 9B ,...~ 0\ 0-. on-- ~ ~ r--: ~ ...., ~ ~ 00 N r-r) 0 ~. 0\ oc ~ ~ ~ V') \0 V') r-. "T - 00 t,) '-> U 8 U U (.) (.) u C u u c c c: Q.I &.I 4; 0 C IV U U U U 0 U U "'0 u Q.I u U u "0 u U t.) (.) u "0 ~ .;;; u u "'=J c; Q c: co ;2 c cr C c:: c 'Vi or. Q.I 1) l) Q.I 0 U QJ U Q.I 0 u .9 (I) c.~ 'u Vl Q c...... «l 0 ~ :; ~ .!f ...... D 0 C .... 0 «S Q as ~ ~ til Cl.. c.. en ~ V') !::; ~ r-.,j ...... ~ - N APRIL 23, 1986 Written Answer, 100 0 0- 0 lin QO ~ \0 r- v-. - 0 r-..: 0'1 ...-N N -M -\Q ...... >. Q 0 ;L 0'\ .,.., .9 N Q ~ V) t- :9 ~ 0; M N V"I t- ('rl c:Q \0 .._, .c::rn ,JiIC as ...:l 0\ N 0 ~ 0 r- M s:V) 40 I 00 ..0 ~ N ('f") -0 ~ -;; 8 0 u a u 8 u 8 g u c:I c:1 a a '0 0 u 0 u '0 0;; "0 "0 "0 0;;; "0 Q u oil Om OJ CD etC II ~ ...... ~ ... ~ .. >. .. 0 If) If) M If) ...... If) ...u ...u ..0 u Col ...... 0 .. c CI u .D as as 8 = .c ..Q e e ~ e0 ~ u u 0 0 II) •s= :aI °a asto ~= >0- ~ .0 0 - ,.., ~ ~ [Eng/I,h] job contract was awarded to MIs Sukbmea Enterprises for this purpose. Contract Labou r .ystem i 0 BEL 3. A copy of references from Geaeral 7366. SHRI SAIFUDDIN Secretary. SCs/STs A88ociatioD, BEL, CHOWDHARY : Will the Minister of Ghazjabad was also received by BEL DEFENCE be pleased to state : Ghaziabad through tbe Commission fo; SCs and STs, Ministry of Home AfJain. (a) whether Government have received The Company gave a factual reply to tbe any representation/complaints regarding Commission for SCs/STs in the month of contract. labour system continuing in the November ·85 in consultation with tbis Bharat Electronics Ltd., a Government Ministry. of India enterprise; Passports issued durinl 1985-86 (b) if so, the nature of complaints received; 7367. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : Will the Mioister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c) whether Government have taken be pleased to state : any action on the representation/com- plaint; (a) the number of passports issued during July, 1985 to 1986, till date througb- (d) if so, tbe details tbereof; and out the country; (e) if not, tbe reasons for the delay? (b) how many visas for U.S. had been issued by the American Consul General THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE during tbe period; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- TION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI (c) how many of them are from SUKH RAM) : (a) to (e). Bbarat Electro- Karnataka; and nics Limited, recruits relular employees as per tbe pro~dures laid down by the (d) whether it is a fact tbat persons Government, and there is no system of from Kamataka have to visit Madras or engaaement of any labour tbrough any Bombay several times to get visas? contractor. Some urnes for certain work requirements in the company, not directly THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE related to primary functions and which MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS are of secondary or temporaIY nature. the (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) 10,,01,765 system of awarding job-service contract Passports were issued during the period exists. The campany pave confirmed that from 1st July, 1985 to 31.03.1986. for such jobs prescribed procedure of (b) and (c). Information is not available inviting tenders is strictly followed. with the Ministry of External Affairs. 2. During August. 1985, Secretary (d) There is no U.S. Consular 0fIice General, All India Federation of Scheduled in BangaJore and a U.S. visa bas to be Castes/Scheduled Tribes Backward and obtained from the U.S. Embassy in New Minoriues Employees Welfare Association Delhi or its Consular Offices in India in (Read.). New Delhi had forwarded a copy Madras, Bombay and Calcutta. of letter addressed to General Manager, BEL. Gbazlabad. regarding regularisation of appointment of scavengers in BEL IBegal Killiog of Snakes insle4ld of their appointment through contractors. A copy of these references 7368. PROF. K.V. THOMAS : Will was forwarded to BEL Gbaziabad for the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to necessary action. The company had infor- state : med that tbey have 71 Janitors on the rolls of tbe Company and for additional (b) what steps are taken to prevent Statement such indiscriminate k.illings '1 Area Description of Value of the THE MINlSTER OF STATE IN THE goods seized goods aeized MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Punjab (1) Gold FORESTS lSHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : (a) No, 25,000 Sir. However, some cases of ddndestine (il) Charas 16,56,000 killina and trade In snakeskins do come (IU) OpIum 1,40,000 to notice from time to time. ~IV ) MedIcInal 40,iOO (b) AU the species of snakes are afforded Powder , legal protection from bun ling and trade lv) Heroin 11,00,00,000 or commerce under the Wild Life ,protec- Bombay (I) (JoJd 7,53,70,000 tion) Act, 1972, and legal actlou IS taken (iJ) Watcheb under the Act when illegaJ, kllhng of snakes 7H,66,OOO is detected. The states are al$o not issuing ~1lI) S) nthetlc 2,99,10,000 licences to capture snakes for trade. Seven tabuc:, species of snakes whose sk.ins are commer- (IV) Dangerous 11,52,54,000 cially Important, have been lllcluded under drugs Appendix HI of lhe Convention on Inter- (V) Currency YO.92,OOO national 1 rade 10 Endangered Species of Wild Fduna and Flora (C.l.T.E.S.) as a l£ngl16hJ result of which llllernallonal hade to thelll IS strictly regulated and llle~al consignments. L\llcro Projects Joe l\ diare of lriba's If any, onginatlOg from India can b~ in Urlssa detected and seIzed In otber couDtries Wbll,;h 7370. SHRI HAl{lHAH. SOREN; are a party to C.l.T.E.S. SHRJ RADHAKANIA DJuAL : [ Translation] WIll tbe MInIster ot WJ:::Li-'ARE be Seizure of smuggled goods in border pJca!)ed lO state ; areas of Puojab and in Bombay ta) tbe Dumber of mIcro projects 7369. SIIRI R.M. BHOYE: Wfll the fun~uoDing III lbe !)lale of On~sa; Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (b) the name of the primltivo tribes to state: for wbom su..:b proJecls have been launched; (a) whether smuggled goods have been (c) the Dumber of people in each tribe seized in a large quantity in the border benefited under the above programme so areas of Punjab and in Bombay; far; ld) the amount allocated for implemen- (b) if so, the quantity and details of tation of each &ucb bcbeme durmg tbe last the smuggled goods seized from therewith, three years; and area-wise break-up; and (e) the details tbereof ? (c) the particulars of the persons THE UEPUTY MINISTER IN TUJj arrested in this connection ? MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SH&J THE MINISTE& OF STATE IN THE GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (8) Eloven DEPARTMENT OF INfERNAL Mlcro-projects are f uncuonU1K lD tbe Stale SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) of OrlMa. and (b). The details of smuggled goods seized during the period from 1st January (b) to (e). A statement is' aiven beJow. to 31st March. 1986 in border areas of Dunng the years 1983-84, 1984-85 and 1985- Punjab and in Bombay are given in the 86, Special Central Assistance of Rs. 52.04 lakbs, Rs. 52.04 latbs and Rs. 55.00 lakbs statement below. respectively was released to the State for (c) 9 persons were arrested in Punjab all tbe Micro-Projects. MJCto-projcet W.&ae (lIld 282 persoDl in Bombay. rclca.sca are Dot made by the M.iWw:Y. VAlSAKHA 3, 1!N& lS:U{A) Wrillen .4n"Wer, 100 co c: .: 0 ~.= c: -:e o oS 'c :l 00 E E o u -!""'l "0 11) ...u >o -N u ~ >, u u C c: CL) v eo t:{) <: < .""'"\~ o.... ~ o u.... o z - - 101 W,ltteft .4n'~'$ APRIL 23, 1986 00 0 r--. 00 8 ...:T r- oo ~ ~ r---: N - N - V) VI VI N N N ..0 - 00 00 N ..... o c o 00 N ;..... c_ o u • c - u 8 ~ t:IO Q, .- 4( ..... 00 c::- u.,.. u ... u .-C E ~ O_g 000. .- 'Uo-. .c:i > c "0.0 ~ c~ u 0"-'" O.c.D (lIS ... ~~ .c ::s ~ g "t)~ 0:: u o as :J bO ...J~ ~< ...._, - -o - lot Written ~1IIWer' V AISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) W,itten An.twer, 110 Upllftment of Backward Classes in foreign coBaboration proposals for manu- Madhya Pradesh facture of 32 megabyte computers; 1371. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: (b) if so, tbe details thereof and the Will the MINISTER OF WELFARE be percentage of equity participation in each pleased.to state: case; and what percentage of total population (c) the programme for manufacture? of the country is formed backward classes; (d) whether any Centrally sponsored THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE scheme bas been introduced for the uplift- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- ment of the backward classes; and NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC (c) if so, the details of such scheme imple- ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE mented in Madbya Pradesh during the (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) (a) The Sixth Five Year Plan ? Government have not approved any Foreign Collaboration proposal for manu- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN facture of 32 Megabyte computers as such. THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE However. two proposals for manufacture of (SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO> computers with Foreign Collaboration Systematic caste-wise enumeration havmg word length of 32 Bit and above, of popalation was introduced by the have been considered by the Government. Registrar General of India in 1881 and discontinued in 1931 and therefore (b) MIs. ECIL proposes to manu- figures of C8!te-wise population beyond facture Mainframe computers (Word Length 1931 are Dot available. However, the 60 Bit) in collaboration with MIs. Control Commission set up by tbe Centra) Govern- Data Indo ASia Company of USA and ment on otber backward classes under tbe for manufacture of Super Mini computers Chairmanship of Shri B. P. MandaI bas (\Vord length 32 BI ts) in coIJaboration with estimated that excluding scheduled castes Mis. Norsk Data As of Norv.. ay. In both and scheduled tribes, other backward these cases no foreign equity participation classes constitute nearly fifty two percen t is envisaged. of tbe country's population, bas.ed on assumption that tbe inter-se rate of growth (c) The programme with M/s. Con- of population of various castes, communi- trol Data covers tbe manufacture of Cyber ties and religious groups over the last balf 180/810 and S30 range of systems and a century bas remained more or less the EC1L has proposed to manufacture about same. 350 such system" o\er the neat five years. (b) There is no Central list of Other Backward Oasses; no centrally sponsored The pr0gramme \).itb M/s. Norsk Data scheme bas been introd~d for upliftment covers the manufacture of NO 530/550/ of OBCs. Some of the State Governments 560 and 570 range of systems and ECIL have their own Jist of OBCs and have has plopoced to manufacture 250 such taken up their own welfare scbemes systems over the next five years. for OBCs. Scheme for '''earare of Kulia Kaodhas (c) Does not arise. Families ForellD Collaboration to Manufacture 7373. SHRI RADHAKANTA lJIGAL: Computers Will the ~1 inister of WELFARE be pleased to state: 1372. SHRI Y ASHW ANTRAO GADAKH PATIL: Will the PRIME (a) whether Government have identi- MINISTER be p1eased to state : fied and estimated the number of Kutia Kandhas familIes living in Pbulbani aDd (a) wbttber Government havI' Q"'''' ...... ri APRIL 23, 19H (b) if so, their population according to Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS). New the last census and when it was made; . Delhi in 1976 and that Institute received research grants from abroad for this work. (c) tbe schenles under implementation On transfer of this project to National for their upliftmeot through micro projects Institute of Immunology (Nil), New Delhi and other centrally sponsored scheme; in December, 1983, the foreign res~arcb and grants are utilised by NIl since then. (d) the details of the steps taken and Total research grants received from proposed to be taken for tbe development November, 1976 to March, 1986 are as of Kutia Kandbas tribes populated under: areas? (i) Research Rs. 88.58 lakhs 6 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE grants received MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI from Internatio- GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) The State nal Development Government have estimated in 1981 the Research Centre, population of Kutia Kandhas as 2101 in Canada. Korapur district and 3835 in Phulbani district. (ii) Research grants Rs. 20.00 lakhs received from (b) Since Kutia Kandba is a sub- RockfelJer Foun- section among main Kandha group, sl!parate dation, New York. census population of Kutia Kandhas is not avaiJable. Total Rs. 108.58 lakhs (c) and (d). Income generating and family benefitting economic de\'e~(lprnent schemes were taken up under vallOU,\ sectl IS Since December, 1983, Nil has utilised and benefited 665 famliies till October, 1985. grants of about Rs. 59.27 lakhs out of thc During tbe Seventh Plan State Government total grants of Rs. 108.58 Jakhs, rcst having propose to cover all the families of the heen utilised earlier hy the A.I.1.~1..S. primitive tribal groups residing in the pro- ject area under individual fami1y benefiting Action Plan drawn up by Nationaj scheme. Also, road communication, Land Use and WastelaDd marketing facilities, irrigation sources, Development Council drinking water facilities, health and educa- tioo facilities will be develop~d in the pro- 7375. DR. B.L. SHAILESH : Will the ject areas. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Vaccine for Control of Pregnancy (a) the broad outlines of the action plan (State-w4o;e) drawn up by tbe National Land 7374. DR. B. L. SHAILESH: WiH use and \Vasteland Development Council at tbe PRJ ME MINISTER be pleased to state Its first meeting held durin~ February, 1986; the financial and technical as'iistance received from abroad for the development (b) the target for providing veaetative of vaccine for control of pregnancy at the cover to wasteland fixed for the current year, National Institute of Immuno1ogy 1 State-wise; and THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE (c) tbe capital outlay involved and the MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- ro1e assigned to the State Governments. if any, NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS in tbe implementation of this programme? OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENBRGY, E.LECTRONICS AND SPACE THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE (SKRI SH1VRAJ V. PATIL) : The work on MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND "Ovoloomeot of vaccine for control of FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : The hm,p~ut.li..n_e~. of the Action Plan, •• VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) Written A"""'er, 114 al'proved by the National Land Use and is urgent need to deal with them in a Wastelands Development CouncH at its first coordinated and integrated fashion. The meeting held on 6th February. 1986 is given State Governments should set- up a Nodal in the Statement-I below. This apr>1ie~ to all Agency for an integrated approach for States/Union Territories. implementation of afforeitation programme and monitoring and eva1uation of such (b) The State-wise targets for waste1ands programmes. developm.:nt are given in the Statement-II below. However. the target" are likely to (iii) Seeds: be revised. Each State has a State Seeds Corporation. (c) For the year 1986...87. funds for The work of these Corporations should be afforestation programmes are available from extended to include production of fodder the following sources. grasses and legume seeds to supply farmers on a commercial basis. Source of funds Rs. in crores (if) Direct Seeding: Much more direct seedings needs to be 1. States/Union Territories 200 taken up. Seeds covered with moisture plan funds. retaining mulches and hyjrogeJs, if used can ensure a high survival rate. 2. Poverty alleviation and 250 Area Development Pro- (v) Lt'asing of Lands: grammes of the Department of Rural Development. The State Governments must clarify the guidelines for leasing forest and non-forest 3. National Wastelands 50 wastelands to the rural poor as well as to Development Board. forest based industries. Total 500 (Approx.) (vi) Urban Foelwood and Green Belts: Cities and tOWDS constitute a major market for fueJwood. Development of green Except for the component of the pro- belts around nlajor urban centres with gramme which would be implemented bv fuelwooj and fodder plantations needs to be non-Governmental organisations, the atroTe-- taken up. station aod wastelands development programmes would by and lar~e he implemented by the State Governmentso (vii) Degraded Forest Areas: Ea\..°h State Forest Department must Statement-I identIfy degraded scrub forest land to be reclaimed hack into forests with some (I) Itleatlfication of Wastelands: protection and tending and very little cost. Each State Government needs to identify These ar~as could also be broadcast with its wastelands whether they are in forest fodd~r and legume seeds for use of local area, revenue co mmon lands or degraded communities. Specific plans to recover scrub farm lands. It is suggested that at least 5% areas must be included in the Annual Plans of these wastelands should be- identified for of the Fore"t Department so that an estima- 1986-87 work ptan. and 20% for the 7th Five ted J 00 milliC'n ha. of scrub forest should Year Plan for afforestation. development of be annually ~rought back to green co,oer. pastures and forest-based industries. (viii) Forest Development Corporation .' (II) Nodal Agency : They should be involved in afforestation At preseot various programmes are programmes to a greater extent than in the ...... iQlpleQlcQted under different heAliinoc Th ...... -_ 115 "rltt~n ~nswers APRIL 23, 1986 Written Answer. 116 within tbe degraded forest area and in the users' industries entering into agreement wastelands outside must be undertaken by with small farmers or farmers· cooperative the Forest Development Corporations. They who can be engaged in the raising of raw should implement bankable schemes in this material for this industry. respect. With 21 Forest Development Corporations, an additional target of 0.5 (x) Government Departments: minion ha. of afforestation wilh fuelwood and fodder species should be achieved. Government Departments, Public Sector undertakings and local bodies like municipal (ix) Forest Based Industries : corporations having substantial unutilised areas of land should raise plantation on Forest based industries must be these lands. They should take direct encouraged to utilise wastelands for their responsibiHty for this activity and the parent captive plantations. By tbe year 2000. department should provide separate budget! paper industry alone will need 21 lakb ha. allocation for this purpose. Forest Depart- of captive plantations. This could be done ment may provide necessary technical either through joint sector corporations by guidance. Statement-II Proposed Afforestation Targ;ts lor 1986..87 (from fund. under ForellS, Rural Development and Soil Conservation Budg~tl) ------51. State/U.T. Afforestation Social Farm Forestry No. (Seedlings in Forestry (SeedliDIS in minions) (thousand minions) hectares) 1 2 3 4 5 1. Andbra Pradesh 560 70.0 420 2. Assam 84 10.5 63 3. Bihar 320 40.0 240 4. Gujarat S60 70.0 420 S. Haryana 200 25.0 ISO 6. Himachal Pradesh 120 15.0 90 7. Jammu and Ka!hmir 80 10.0 60 8. Karnataka 560 70.0 420 9. Kerala 120 15.0 90 100.0 600 10. Madbya Pradesh 800 360 11. Maharashtra 480 60.0 12. ManiPUI 28 3.S 21 13. Me&balaya 32 4.0 24 14. Naplaod 40 5.0 30 is. Orissa 480 60.0 360 lZO 1',0 90 VAISAltltA 3. 1908 (SAKA) Written Alflw., III 1 2 3 4 5 17. Rajasthan 200 25.0 150 18. Sikkim 20 2.5 15 19. Tamil Nadu 240 30.0 180 20. Tripura 32 4.0 24 21. Uttar Pradesh 720 90.0 540 22. West Bengal 240 30.0 180 Union Territories 23. Andamans and Nicobar Islands 20 2.5 15 24. Arunachal Prapesh 20 2.5 15 25. Cbandigarh 8 1.0 6 26. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 80 10.0 60 27. Delhi 80 10.0 60 28. Goa~ Daman and Diu. 80 10.0 60 29. Mizoram 160 20.0 120 30. Pondicherry 1.9 0.5 0.' 31. Lakshadweep 0.1 0.1 6468 811.0 4864 equal to 1622 m. seedlings ...... 6486 m. seedlings equal to 3.25 million hectares Iknefits to Family l\lembers af given JiberaJised pensionary awards. They Defence Officers are also extended certaio concessions and faciJ,ties for their rehabilitation. A statement 7376. SHRl VAKKOM PURUSHO- showing these liberalised pensionary awards THAMAN : Win the Minister of DEFENCE and concessions is given below. be pleased to state the benefits given to the family members of Defence officers who die Statement in action? A. Liberalised Family Pensionary AWa,dt ill re... pecl of Defellee S~'Vlces u!ficers THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE who die in Q("tioll. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- 1. Special Family PensioD SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN SINGH): Families of the Defence Special family pension equal to 3/4th of Services Officers, who die in action, are pay drawn at the time of death is payable APRIL 23, 198~ upto the deemed date of retirement of tbe under the Death-cum-Retirement Gratuity deceased or for a period of 7 years, which- Scheme, is paid at the following rates: ever is later, Children allowance and Children Education allowance are not Rank admissible at this stage. Amount Thereafter, special family pension is 2/Lt Rs. 2000 equal to the normal retiring pension of the rank last held by the deceased for service Lt. Rs. 3000 upto the deemed date of retirement, plus Capt. Rs. 4500 children allowance and chiJdren educatIOn allowance subject to the condItion that Major Rs. 6500 special family pension. together with chIldren Lt. Col. Rs. 8000 allo\\ance and children education allowance. do not ~xceed 3/4th of last pay drawn. Col. Rs. 9500 Brig. Rs. 11000 2. Cbildren Allowance Maj. Gen. Rs. 13000 Upto the age of 23 )ears, children Allowance is paid at Rs. 150 pm. per child, Lt. Gen. Rs. 14500 if the mother is n~t alive, and at Rs. 100 Gen. pm. per child if tbe mother is alive. Rs. 16000 3. Children Education Allowance 6. Dependants Pension Actual expenditure incuraed ~ubject to If the Otlicer dies as a bachelor or a maximum of Rs. 50 pm per child except \\idow~r Wllh\Jut ~hllureD, dependants pen- tbose who are in receipt of educational sion at ::'./3 of widow's pension is given for concessions sanctioned by the Deptt. of both parent~, and 2/3 of two parents' rate Education vide their letter No. F. 17-19/71 for single parent~ irrespective of tbe means Schools II, dt. 24.1.72. limit of parents. 4. Deatb-cum-RetiremcD t Gratuity B. Olher Financial Benefits (i) If tbe death 2 months pay last takes place in drawn. 1. Benefit under Army Group Insurance the 1st year Scbewe of se·{vice. Lump-sum amount Rs. 1,80,000. (ii) If the death 6 months pay last takes plac~ drawn. 2. Army Officers Benevolent Fund aftel 1 year but before comple- Financial assistance amountioK to tion of 5 years. Rs. 18)000. (iii) If the death 50% of a month's C. Other Fucililies tak.es place pay last drawn after 5 years. for each year of 1. Dependents of personnel killed in service subject to service are entitled to prio.ity in employ-_ minimum of 12 meot in Civil posts besides beiog eligible for months pay last tbe reservations made for ex-servicemen. drawn, limited 2. They are also eligible under the to a maximum reservation policy to seek agencies for petro- of Rs. 50.000. leum products and cooking 8as, aloo, witb s. Family Gratoity other categories of ex.. servicemen. Lump-sum Family Gratuity. which is 3. Education facilities for dependents in addition to tbe death aratuity admisssible include: VAISAKHA J, 1908 (SAkA) (a) exemption from tution and other Defence Spending fees; 7378. DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO : (b) full costs of books and stationery; WiJJ the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (c) reimbursement of hostel and uni- form costs, where tbe latter is (a) whetber the defence spending compulsory. continues to be around 4 per cent of the Gross National Product and is one of the 31 special War Memorial Hostels are 10we~t In the World ll-ltnllustan Times, bema run at Regimental Cenues inler·al,a 19 March, 19H6); for the sons of war Widows and other similar categories. (b) whether it IS a fact that defence expenditure does not add to cost and 4. Many States recognise their prior pnce escalation 10 the c.ountry; and claim 10 the allotment of surplus Jand. ~~) \\-h~lller India expe~ls to be totally 5. In specially deserving individual cases, or nearlj self-reliant In men and weapons by financial assistance IS also released from the 2001 '! War Bereaved and Disabled Servicemen Special Rehef Fund. 1HE tvll1'tlSI£R O~ STATE IN lHE DEl-'AR I tvlEi'..i Of DEfENCE RE- Study conducttd by Rockets 51:.ARCH AND 01::.\ .t:.LOPt\-lENT (SHRI launched from "SSe: ARUN Sj~GH) : ~a} Yt:s, SIr. 7377. SHRI YAKKOM PURUSHO- (b) Dt:1t:llI':~ expendJture bemg DOD- THAMAN : Will tnc PRHvlE MINISTE.R Plan cxpeildHuI~ 1,:, cOD~H.h!fed mfiallonary. be pleased to state: but no tum concluslOD can be drawn in thiS regaro. (a) bow many rock.ets have beeD launcbed from Vlklam Sarabhal \~) IndJa I:' selt reliant in men. It is Space Centre of Kerala during 1985-86; the pOil~)' uf tbe Government to and slrh-e to\"ards self reliance in defence equJpment. The level of self (b) the main studies conducted by these reliance In \\eapons by 20(H would rockets? largely depend upon factors like develop- ments III future \\eaponry, weapons inductions by Indla's potential adversaries THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE at the tIme, progress in India9 s scientific MINISTRY OF SeIENC!.:. AND TECHNO- and It:chmcal know how and IDstJtutlons and LOGY AND IN THE DEPART~lENTS OF so 00. OCEAN DEVELOP~tE!\:T, ATOMiC ENERGY, ELECTRONiCS AND SPACE Setting up of Electronics Industry (SHRI SHIV RAJ V. P A TIL) : (a) During In Andaman and Nu:obar Islands 1985-86, 72 rockets were launched from tbe Vikram Sarabbai Space Centre, 7379. SHRI !\IANORANJAN Trivandrum. BHAKTA : \"111 the PRI~tE MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) The rocket lannchings were carried out mainly for meteorological observations (a) whether it is a fact that pollution and scientifIc studies of middle and upper free eIJ\'IH'nmt'nt i=- the Ideal location for tbe atmosphere, such as : Electronics Iudustr}; -D-region Ionospheric studie~, (b) if so, whether Government will consider to e~tabhsb some ElectroDics -Stratospheric studies; and Industry in the Union Ternlory of Aodaman &:1d Nicobar hlands to generate employmeat -Studies "'latina to on-set of mou- as welJ as bring ideal location for tbe said soon. Industry; and APIUL 23. 1985 (c) if so, the details thereof? tho Bouse. [PJaeed I. Lt.,...,. See No. L'I'· 27Q2/(6) THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and (d). The State' . Goverameat, MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- after preparing tbe project reports on tbe LOGY AND IN TH,E DEP:ARTMENTS OF basis of new guideJ ines submits them to OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOM1C the Central Water Commission (CWC) of ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND .SPACE the Ministry of Water Resources for (SUR} SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Pollution examination by tbe concerned .Ccn tral free environment is conducive to the location Agencies such as ewe, Ministry of Water of certain types of electronics industry. Resources, Ministry of Agricultute, MinistJ')' of Environment and Forest.' On completion (b) and (c). Yes, Sir. The policies of of the examinauon by these specialised the Government encourage setting up of bodies, a consolidated note is prepared by tbe industries (in all parts of our country) to Central Water Commission for Consideration "enable creation of employment. Within of tbe Advisory Committee on Irrigation, the framework of all policies of Government Flood Control and Multipurpose for setting up of industries in E'~tronics, Projerts .of the Planning Commission. applications from entrepreneurs will be Tbe Technical scrutiny note prepared by favourably considered by Government. the CWC is ex~mined by tbe Advisory Committee of the PlaoniDI G.idelines for l\fulti-Purpose and Commission on Irrigation, Flood Control Irrigation Projects and Multipurpose Projects, wbicb on findiog the scheme in order from techno- 7380. SHRIMA TI JA Y ANTI economic consideration as per criteria PATNAIK Will the Minister of prescribed by tbe Plaoning Commission, PLANNING be pleased to state : recommends the scbeme to Plannins Commission for inclusion in tbe Plan. (a) whether Planning Commission bas Planning Commission then, examines from issued revised guidelines to the States investment considerations and issues letter or aDd Union Territories for preparation of acceptance of the scbeme for inclusion in tbe multi-purpose and irrigation projects; Plan. (b) if so, tbe details of the luidelines C.S.D. Canteen at De.ra lCD' by tbe Planning Commission to tbe States and Union Territories; 7381~ PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: Will the Minister of (c) the steps taken by the Planning DEFENCE be pleased to state: Commission on receipt of such reports from tbe State Government's and Union Territory (a) whether a dcmand has been Administrations; aod received by Governmcnt for the 0peni08 of C.S.D. caoteen at Debra in district (d) the details thereof 1 Kanara (H.P.), as Debra lub-division baa. large concentration of ex-servicemen .. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE also serving personneJ; PLANNING MINISTRY OF AND (b) if so, the decision taken in tbis MINISTER OF STATE IN THE regard; aod MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI A. K. PANJA) : (c) if not, tbe likely date by which the Yes, ·Sii. decision would be taken and tbe caDt~ opened 'I (b) A copy of the PJannioa Commil,ioD leiter No. 16(12)/85-1 and CAD dated THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THS 21-10-85 addressed· to aU tbe State DEPARTMENT OP DEFENCE RE- Governmcnt.s/~ral Administration SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHlU "iDdacatinc details of tbe 8uide Jines sent by ARUN SINGH) : <8> to (c). A C&Dteoa PIaDnioI Commission to tbe States and bas beeD opened at Debra iD November, UaioD Territoriea is laid on tbo Table of Ins. VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) Ran.a, ProJectl in On.. eleared THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB by Planning CommllSlon MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7382. SHRl CHINTAMANI lENA MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL Will tbe Minister or PLANNING be pleased SUPPLIES (SHRI A.K. PANJA): (a) A to .tate : Statement the list of such railway projects for which clearance of the Planning (8) the number and details of railway Cornmis4tion is required i~ given below. projects cleared by the Planning Commission in tbe years 1983-84, 1984-85 an~ 1985-86 ror different zones; (b) DUring this period construction of a new railway line from Sambalpur to (b) the names of the railway projects TaJcher in the State of Orissa has been in Orissa cleared by the Planning Commis- cleared by the Planning Commission. sion durins the above period; aDd (c) tbe names of the railway projects (c) Railway projects for clearance are still pendi ng with the Planning Commission sent to tbe Planning Commission by tbe for clearance and the details of sucb Department of Railways. At present DO projects wbich have been forwarded by such project in the State of Orissa is pending Orissa Government for ~king clearance for clearance with tbe Planning Commis- from Plaoning Commission? sion. St.fement Railway projt-ctl cleared by Planning Comm;.sion during 1983.84, 1984-85 and 1985-86 Sl. Project Length Approved Year of Railway Zoue No. (kms.) cost Works (Rs. crores) Programme S 6- 1 2 3 4 I. Coa.. ractloD of New Railway Lines t. Matbura-Alwar 120 34.74 1983-84 Central 2. Jociabopa-Gaubati with J43 87.73* 1983-84 North eaSE ran-cum-road bridse Frontier across Brahmaputra 3. Eklakbi-Blaurgbat 110 42.85 1983-84 North east Frontier 4. Adilabad-Pimpalkutti 21 15.08 1983-84 South Central 5. Ta1cher--Sambalpur. . 172 57.97 1984-85 Soutb Eastern D. Gaaae Co.ftrsJoas 1984-85 South Central I. Parabbani.Puroa aDd 248 80.49 Mulled Adilabad CooftllioD and Puma- ...... Makhed ParaIJeII).Q, 127 """611 A". we,. APRIL 23, 1986 WrllI." .,f""'er. 121 1 2 3 4 5 6 ------III. Electrification 1. Nagpur-Durg 265 67.15 1984-85 South Eastern 2. Bilaspur Katni 317 71.81 1984-85 Soutb Eastern 3. Katni-Bina 263 63.17 1984·85 Central 4. Jollarpettai-Bangalore 144 24.01 1984-85 Southern s. Tundla -Agra-Bayana 106 ]5.89 1985-86 Northern, Central and Western 6. Champa-Gevra Road 45 12.03 1985-86 South Eastern IV. Metropolitan Transport Projects 1. Calcutta Circular Railway 35.00 1985-86 V. Production Units 1. Rail Coach Factory, 180.00 1985-86 Kupurtbala *Railway portion of tbe cost. Self-Sufficiency in Nuclear Fuel (c) The major part of uranium deposits in our country are in the Singhbbum tbrust 7383. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- belt of Bibar and also in parts of Madbya CHANDRAN: Win the PRIME MINISTER Pradesh. Karnataka,l Rajasthan and be pleased to state : Meghalaya. (a) the fuel mainly used by Nuclear Dhillon Committee Report Power Reactors in India; 7384. SYED SHAHABUDDIN : (b) whether India is self-sufficient in the SHRI BHATTAM SRJRAMA said fuel; and MURTY ~ SURI TARLOCHAN SINGH (c) which are tbe States/sites in India TUR: where tbe iaid fuel is mainly found ? SHRf V.S. KRISHNA IYER : SHRI BALWANT SINGH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RAMOOWALIA: MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF Win the MinisteT of HOME AFFA1R.S OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC be pleased to state: ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (a) whether the Report of the Dhillon (SHRI Sl:llVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) All the Committee on the review of relief and nuclear power stations in operation in th~ country except Tarapur Atomic Power rehabilitation measures for the victims of November, 1984 disturbances has been Station use indigenous natural urdnium as received by the Government; fuel. Fuel for tbe Tarapur Atomic Power Station is fabricated in India using imponed (b) if so, tbe major recommendations enriched uranium. tbereof; (b) India is self-sufficient in respect 9f (c) wbether the recommendations have natural uranium (uc;J, been accepted by tb~ 09vc~, .D4 if 129 "rill. AIuw•• VAlSAKHA 3, 1908 (SdKA) eo, whetber they are being implemented; 13. Disposal of eases reaistered dariD. and tbe riots. (d) whether State Governments are 14. Adjusment of advance tax by being asked to adopted parallel norms for all establishments affected by riots and situations of social violence ? assessment to be completed on the basis of returns already 1Ub- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE mitted. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN British Aid in Attempted Genot'de of THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Tamils in Sri Lanka (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (8) Yes. 7385. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: (b) A statement indicating the list of Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS major reeommendations is given below. be pleased to state : (c) Implementation of the major (a) wbether it is a fact that ao exhibi- recommendations is in hand. tion of photographs and illustrations on tbe ethnic crisis in Sri Lanka was held at (d) No. London University's Institute of Education recently; Statement (b) if so, tbe details thereof; 1. Uniformity in tbe scale of relief. (c) whether it is also a fact that British 2. Relief to riot victims slil1 returning aid is sti1l playing an important role in tbe to their places of residence. attempted genocide of Tamils in Sri Lanka; 3. Removal of bottlenecks in tbe dis- bursal of relief. (d) if so, tbe details tbereof; 4. Specific measures to be taken by (e) whether it is also a fact that former Banks in the actual disbursement members of the British special air services of relief. are involved in training Sri Lanka's death squad; and s. Settlement of claims by the insurance sector. (f) if so, what steps are being taken by Government of India in the matter? 6. Jocrease in tbe stipend during training and provIsion of medical THE MINlSTER OF STATE IN mE facilities to widows. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 7. Rehabilitation of widows in Bokaro. (b) An exbibition entitled '-&Iam- Tamil Nation Fights for Survival" was 8. Raw materials on priority basis. organised by tftc General Union of Eelam students and tbe EPRLE (Eelam People~s 9. Waiving of electricity charges. . RevoJutionary Liberation Front) in associa- tion with the Ethnic Minorities Committee 10. Waiving of road -tax for vehicles of tbe Greater London Couacil. TIle des~yed/da~. e",bibition was held at the Uni¥ersity of London from J 3th March to 26tb March 1 t. Protection tt> tenants forcibly 1986. Aecordfna to tile orpDlzers, ~ evicted during the disturbances. exbibitiOtl aimed at outlining the cummt conflict in Sri Lanka including a historical 12. Associating voluntary orpnisations introduction to the oriai_ of the cunwat ill ....NU ..tion oft"ons. '. Ji-tioll, Tbo ftlemes dealt ..,... ~_._-~-- APlUL 23. 1916 Wrltt~n AnI".r. 132 "State terrorism", lithe threat of genocide Meerut, and Institute of Preventive Medi- facing the Tamils of Sri Lanka" and "the cine, Hyderabad. has carried out studies on violations of the ceasefire by the armed four sucb projects. forces'·. (b) A Statement is given below. (c) to (e). The Government of Sri Lanka have been purchasing weapons for (c) The results of surveys conducted in their security forces from the UK. Former 1974 indicate that 13 of the 21 districts in members of the British Special Air Services Andbra Pradesh have fluoride conc:entration (SAS) are involved in training the Sri Lanka beyond the limits prescribed for drinkinl Special Task Forces. There have been waters. Some areas in Uttar Pradesh have numerous reports that the Special Task also shown concentration of fluoride beyond Forces have been involved in several cases the prescribed limit. of action which have resulted in deatbs of innocent civilians in the Eastern Province (d) The skeleta I fluorosis in chiidieD of Sri Lanka. invariably accompanies various other metabolic bone diseases. Fluoride accumu- (f) The Government have conveyed lated more rapidly in the metaboJically their grave concern at the activities of the active and growing bones of the new borns, Ex-SAS mercenaries in Sri Lanka and the infants and children. The other disorders continuing arms supplies to Sri Lanka, to associated with skeletal fluorosis are tho British authorities, most recently during calcification of ligaments, osteosclerosis tbe visit of the British Foreign Secretary to involving spine, pelvis, thorax, osteoporosis India. The British Government, however, etc. bave taken the stand tbat tbese are all private commercial transactions over wbich Statement they have no contro). "Study of Fluoride Toxicity and (i) Various tissues of the body have Fluorosis" different affinity to fluoride; the bighest deposition being in the 7386. DR. G. VIJAYA RAM A RAO: spongy part of the bone. Will the PIlIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (ii) Ingestion of excessive fluoride affects both hard and soft tissues of (a) wbether tbe problem of ftuoride tbe body. toxicity and ftuorosis related to pollution and human health bas been studied in 4 (iii) Test for early detection of fluorosis projects at tbe All I ndia Institute of Medical based on ratio of two cbemical Sciences; components bas been developed. (b) if so, tbe salient points of these (iv) Fluoride concentration from 0.2 to studies and their practical app1ication and S3 milJigrams was found in differeDt implications; groups of crops and vegetables in different villages of Nalgonda (c) whetber ftuoride is widely present in districts of Andhra Pradesh depend- water in certain areas of Uttar Pradesb and iog upon the crop and the place ADdbra Pradesb; and where it is grown. (d) the results of metabolic patients and (v) Concentration of fluoride in water skeleton disorden specially In children and samples in six viJJaaes of Nalgonda tile DeW born. ? district varied from 0.4 to 20 milligrams per litre. THB MINISTER. OF STA TB IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (vi) It was observed that the alkalinity PORESTS (SHRJ Z.R. ANSARI) : (a) Yea, and calcium content of water bad Sir. The all India IBldtute of Medical a role to play on the impact of --'-- ;.. ••cnclation with Modk:al con., #!uorido apd its absorptioP. VAISAKHA l. 1908 (SAKA) (vii> The fluorosis is predominant in LA~d : Will the Minister of DEFENCB be lower nutritional status popula- pleased to state: tion. . whether 144 quarters for staJr built (viii) The relationship between water at a cost of over Rs. 70'lakhs at Chandisam quality to fluorosis will largely help have not yet beeu allotted resulting in a in adopting and implementing monthly revenue loss of Rs. 40,000 per proper defiuoridation programmes. month to Government; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and DisconDection of Water Supply to Armed Forces b~ Jamnagar Municipality (c) whether the allotment policy framed j by .Controller General of Defence Accounts 7387. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE (CODA) which debars Government accom- P A TIL: Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE modation in DAD pool at Chandigarb to be pleased to state: staff members having accommodation at (a) whether it is a fact that the Jam- Chandigarh and its Suburbs is being follow- nagar Municipality had recently cut oft' ed strictly and if not, the reasons thereof? water supply to the three wings of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE armed forces; DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- (b) if so, what were the circumstances SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHR! leading to tbis situation; and ARUN SINGH): (a) and (b). The construction of tbe quarters bas been com- (c) whether the water disconnection pleted. Water supply and electric conncc- was resorted to because of non-payment of tions are to be provided by the Union bills and if so, wbether responsibility bas Territory Authorities. Minor defects which been fixed for this lapse '/ have come to notice have to be rectified. The quarters could not, therefore, be taken THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE over for allotment to the eligible Govern- DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- ment servants. Loss of revenue does not SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHR! arise. ARUN SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) Yes, Sir. - (b) and (c). In April 1983 the Jam- nagar Municipal Corporation unilaterally Escape of Detaioees from A and N revised the water rate to Rs. 9 per 1000 Islands gallons from Rs. 3.90 wbicb was fixed '0 Nov. 1979 by tbe Collector. Jamoagar on 7389. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: 'no profit no loss~ basis, in consultation Will the Minister of HOME AFFAJRS be with the local MES authorities. In view of pleased to state : the steep increase in tbe water rate. the MBS authorities requested the Corporation (a) whether it is a fact that some foman for revising tbe rate on 'no profit no loss' nationals, who were detained under certain basis after taking into account the audited charges in the Union Territory of Andaman expenditure statement. Despite best efforts. and Nicobar Islands have escaped; and the audited expenditure statement has not yet been supplied by tbe said Corporation, (b) if so, the details thereof '1 In view of the Don-receipt of tbe audited THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE expenditure statement, the payment at the DEPARTMENT OF iNTERNAL SECU- revised rates was not made by the MBS. RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): THB MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Fire at Shalimar Bagb MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7392. SHRI RAMASHRA Y PRASAD MIN}STRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SINGH: R.AM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and (b). A PROF. NIRMALA KUMAR) report bas been received in this regard re- SHAKTAWAT: cently. NeCQS8ry action is being taken by SHRI SOMNATH RATH : the Union Territory Administration. Will tbe Minister of HOMB AFFAIRS £eo.olDie Sa.dioDs against Lib,. be pleased to state : 7391. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: (a) whether two thousand buts were Win tbe Minister of EXTERNAl.. AFFAIRS reduced te:) ashes tendcriDI 12,000 penoo. be pleased to state : homeless wben fire swept through a Jbuui colony at Shalimar Bash in Delhi on 16 (a) tbe reaction of Government of March. 1986; and 9 Iodia to President Reaaan • order for freez- iDa Libyan assets and imposition of economic (b) if so, the detaUs thereof and action sanctioDl aaaiDat Libya; taken by Government in the matter? (b) whether any step are beiDa taken by THB MlNISTBB. OF STATE IN THE ladia, as Chairman of non-aliped nation.. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS to reduce tbe ..ion; aDd AND THE MINISTBlt OF STATBIltTHB VAISAKBA 3, 1908 {SAkAl MINISTRY OF HOMB AFFAIRS (SHill R.AM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) In tbis fire Year N umber of ScheIDel incident about 1000 bats were burnt, affect- ina about 1080 families. 1983-84 10 1984-85 J6 (b) A case UDder Section 336/304-A ipc baa been registered at Police Station 1985-86 24 Shalimar Bagb. The investigations carried out indicate tbat the fire broke out in one The Statewise breakup )S given in of the buts where a woman was preparing Statement-l given below. food. Tbe buts beiDi made of combustible material. tbe fire spread rapidly. (b) The number of schemes wbich were approved by the Planning CommilliS;on dur- ing the said period is as under :_ Approval of Power Transmission Scbemes Year Number of Scbemes 7393. SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: SHRIMOHANBHAIPATEL: 1983-84 4 1984-85 S Will tbe Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : 1985-86 19 (a) the number of power transmlSSlon The above include three schemes received schemes submitted by each State for appro- prior to 1983-84. val during tbe years 1983-84. 1984-85 and 1985-86; The details of power transmission schemes approved for each State are given in Statement-II below. (b) the number and details of power transmission schemes approved for each (c) The yearwise breakup of POWer State during tbe said period; transmission schemes pending with the Planning Commission for approval is as (c) tbe number aod details of power under :- transmission scbemes stili pendIng witb tbe Planning Commission for approval; and Year Number of Scheme. (d) the likely lime by which clearance 1983-84 would be siven &0 them ? Nil 1984-85 4 (out of theae ODe THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE cleared in 1986-87) MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- 1985-86 1 TR.Y OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI A. K. PANJA.): (a) Tbe number of The detai1s of tbe schemes arc liven in power transmission schemes submitted by Sta tement-1l1 below. tbe States to the Central Electricity Autho- rity duriDa the years 1983-84, 1984-85 and (d) As indicated in Statement.;m 1985-86 is as under :- below. State••• t·1 Number 0/po"'" 'r~mllsion .chemel submitted by t!acla Stllte lor approWJI .rl. 1983.84, 1984-85 o"a 1985-86 Sl. States 1983-84 1984·85 1985-86 No. 1. Andbra Pradesb J 2. Assam 1 3. Bihar 4. Gujarat 1 5. Huyana 1 2 6. Himacbal Pradesh 1 1 1 7. Jammu and Kashmir 8. Kamataka 1 1 9. Kerala 1 2 1 10. Madhya Pradesb J 4 2 11. Mabarasbtra 1 3 12. ManipDr 13. Megbalaya 1 14. Napland 2 15. Orissa 1 16. Punjab 3 4 17. Rajasthan 1 1 3 18. Sikkim 19. Tamil Nadu 1 1 1 20. Tripura 1 21. Uttar Pradesb 1 1 22. West Beopl 1 1 Total : 10 16 24 141 W""• .4"",.. VAISAICBA 3,1908 (SAKA) StatelDent·D D~lall, ()/ pdwe, "lIIUml•• lon 8chemel approved /0' each State during 1983-84, 1984-85 and 1985-86 SI. State Name of scheme Estimated Cost No. (Rs.lakhs) 1 2 3 4 t. 1983--84 Nortlaera Realo. Nil Weatera RealoD 1. Madhya Pradesh Modified lupplementary report for trans- 7280.00 mission systml 220 KV and 132 KV work. (1983-85) 2. Mabaraabtra B.H.V. transmission system in Maha .. 6276.40 rasbtra for 6tb Plan 1980-85 (Part IV) SoutlalU Realoa 3. Kamataka Supplemenaary 6th Plan traosmission 2262.00 sc:bcme·· Baiter. Real_ 4. Bihar Project Report and cost estimates for 1834.91 additional· * Sixth Plan transmission scbemes Nortta Ealter. Reatoa Nil lt84-15 Nortlten Realoa I. Punjab Transmission system associated with 3034.00 Ropar Thermal Project Stage-I 2. Uttar Pradesh Supplementary Sixth Plan transmission 22173.00 and transformation works in U.P. at 132 KVand above ...tlaenR ..... 220 ltV and 132 KV supplementary trans- $306.00 lDiasiOD sc~ report of ~~ Pl,q·' 1 2 3 4 4. Kama taka Transmission works proposed for 7th Plan 1740.00 but advance action taken in 6th Plan 5. Tamil Nadu Sixth Plan supplementary transmission 5824.10 system Ealtera RegJOD Nil Nertll Easter. Relion Nil NortJaera Realon . 1. Haryana Supplementary 6th Plan transmission and 2111.00 transformation works at 132 KV aDd 66 KV in Haryana during Sixth Plan 2. Haryana 7th Plan transmission works in Haryana 8311.00 at 220 KV 3. Himachal Pradesh Project Report for 220 KV Kbodri·Majri 368.361 sIc line 4. Himachal Pradesh 220 KV sub-station at Majri 519.825 s. Punjab Transmission system associated with R.T.P. 4327.00 Stage-II 6. Rajasthan Supplementary 6th Plan transmission and 10672.00 transformation works in Rajasthan 7. Rajasthan 400 KV sub-station at Jaipur 1638.00 s. Rajasthan 200 KV Kota-Jaipur SIC line (3rd circuit) 782.S0 W_tera RectoD 9. Madhya Pradesh 400 KV Bbilai-Bal'lur DIe lioe 4959.03 10. Madhya Pradesh 7t11 Plan transmiaioo proposal or M.P. 6890.00 (Part-I) 11. Madhya Pradesh Transmission system associated witb Ban- 1495.00 sapr H.E.. Project 12. Madbya Pradesh Project report for 400 KKV Transmission 3742.00 project bet\\-eon ltarsi-Bhopal ...tlaera ...... 13. Kerala Sixth Plan additional tranami.. ioo .Yltem lterala Traosml.. ion system .nod"t", yritJ! Lower 'il. J'tti1ar H ..ll· Project VAISAKHA 3.1908 (SAKA) 3 4 IS. Kerala Requirement of reactive compensation in 2030.00 Kerala during Seventh Plan 16. Tamil Nadu Transmission system for evacuation of 2536.86 power from Tuticorin TPS Stage-III EasterD Region 17. West Bengal Supplementary Sixth Plan traDsmis~ion 3701.00 project in West Bengal for 400 K V works Nortb Eastern RegioD 18. Megbalaya Project report for modification, augmenta- 246.00 tion "and extension of 132 K V grid sub- stations, and Power Stations. switcbyards and construction of new 132 KV transmi- ssion lines 19. Tripura Seventh Plan scheme report of Tripura 132 1465.00 K V and 66 K V transmission system • *R.eceived prior to 1983 -84. Statement-III Number and details ofpowt!r transmission schemes pJnding with 'he Planning Comm;s.~ion for approval ------SI. State Name of Scheme Estimated Cost Reasons No. (Rs. !akbs) 1 2 3 4 5 1983-84 Nil 1984-8S NortlaerD RealoD Issue of formal investment 1. Punjab Transmission system associa- 1133.00 ted witb Mukerian H.E. approval pending for reso- Project lution of inter-state issues relating to Mukerian H.E. Project . ••thera Rea'o. 2. Tamil Transmission system associa- 1693.33 Since approved OQ l'1adu to I 2 3 4 s North Eastern Region 3.. Nagaland Project report for 132 KV 437.00 There was DO provision in transmission line associated the approved Power Sec- with DoyaoB REP tor Plan of the State for 1985-86 and 1986-87. The scheme will be considered in subsequent Annual Plans, if adequate provi- sion is available. 4. Nasaland Project report for 132 KV 244.00 There was no provision in Sub-Station at Kohima and the approved Power Sector Mokokchung for utilisation Plan of the State for 1985- of Doyang Power 86. There is a provision of Rs. 50 lakhs in 1986-87 for the scheme. Investment approval is being proces- sed. U85-86 Nortlaera RegloD 1. Punjab Transmission system asso- 1955.00 Approval of the scheme bal ciated with Guru Nanak been deferred pending Dev Thermal Project-- approval to the generation Stage-III. scheme. ------Utilisation of Plan Allo"'atioo by States (c) whether Govt. of Andbra Pradesh have approacbed Union Govern- 7394. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Wiil ment to grant more funds for the second tbe Minister of PLANNING be pleased to year of Seventh Plan; if so. the details state : thereof and extent to which Union Govern- <8> whether it is a fact that some or ment propose to "'cet their demand '1 the Sta~ have not apent plan allocation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE full" during tbe fint year of tbe Seventh MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND Plao, if SO~ State-wise details thereof; MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL (b) whether some States have gone SUPPLIES (SHRJ A.K. PANJA): (a) over and abow: tbe allocation during the and (b). A statement is liven below. first year of the Seventh Plan, if so, State- wile break up thereof; and (c) No, Sir. State"'Dt Annual Plan 1985-86-Sla/~$ (RI. cronl) Statee Approved . Anticipated Variation of Col. 3 Outlay Expenditure ovor Col. 2 1 2 3 4 Aodbra Pacletb 810.00 9'9.27 (+) 149.27 A ___ '10.00 410.00 VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) ""'tt~1I A."",er8 150 1 2 3 Bibar 851.00 954.76 <+> 103.16 Gujarat 804.00 885.52 <+) 1.52 Haryana 480.00 443.78 (-> 36.22 Himachal Pradesh 177.00 177.17 <+> 0.17 Jammu and Kashmir 260.00 278.14 (+) 18.14 Karoataka 651.00 651.00 , Kcrala 355.00 380.20 <+) 25.20 Madbya Pradesh 1170.00 1165.68 (-) 4.32 Maharashtra 1700.00 1711.00 (+> 11.00 Manipur 70.00 70.00 Meghalaya 75.00 75.00 Napland 65.00 65.00 Orissa 450.00 486.23 (+) 36.23 Punjab 500.00 S02.77 (+> 2.7.7 Rajasthan 430.00 430.00 Sikkim 41.00 43.84 (+) 2.84 Tamil Nadu 960.00 1017.46 (+) '7.46 Tripura 86.00 95.48 <+) 9.48 Uuar Pradesh 1642.00 1662.95 <+> 20.95 West Bengal 67S.00 675.50 (+) 0.50 Total States 12662.00 13060.75 (+) 398.75 Anociation of Sikkim "itb Reaioaal Citronella oil have also been developed aacI Research Laboratory. Jorhat set up in the~ areas; 7395. SHRIMATI D. K. BHANDARI: (e) if so, the details the~; and Will tbe PRIMB MINISTER be pleased to state: (f) v-bether Sikkim will be associated witb all research work of Council of ScieD- (a) whetber the Regional Researcb tific and Industrial Researcb laboratories Laboratory, Jorbat has de-veJoped improved especially that carried OD in RegiODal varieties of Java Citronella for the North- Research Laboratory, lorhat? Baat Hills; THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE (b) if 10, whether these have been MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND TECH- iptroduced in all areas iocludml Sikkim; NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC (c) if so, the details tbereof; ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACB (SHRI SHIVIlAJ V. PATIL): (a) Y .. (tI> wbetbor cottqe industries for Sir. I~l Wrltte" AlUwe', A PIlIl 23. 1986' (b) and (c). These have been intro- privacy laws as prohibitioa transmission of duced in a number of areas in North-East such information to foreign Governments. India. Preliminary discussions are going OD with ao entrepreneur for its introduction (b) Not applicable in view of positioB in Sikkim .. at above. (d) Yes, Sir. Cc) None. Under tbe Indian Foreip Service Conduct and Disciplinary Rules. (e) Total cultivated land for Citro- mem bers of the service arc Dot permitted nella in North-Eastern Re&ion is over to apply for or acquire foreign citizensbip. 6.000 acres. The annual production of 011 is approximately 400 tonnes and the Hcalth ·Hazards to Worken of EIMtroDie number of persons fully /partialJy employed Industry exceeds ten thousand. At I these activities are scattered in rural areas of North- 7397. SHRl MOOL CHAND DAGA : Eastern states of tbe country. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: (f) The benefit of research carried out by tbe Council of Scientific aod Industria) (a) whether it is a fact tbat workers Research (CSIR) including that of RegIOnal of Electronic Industry arc exposed to Research Laboratory (RRL)~ Jul hat is vanous l'eallb ba!.ards, as per the report avatlable for utilisation III Slk~lm. Coun- of th~ Industrial ToxicololY Research cil of Scientific and Industflal Research Centre, Luckno\\-; wi)) provide all possible belp to entre- preneurs or to the Slate Go\'ernm~nt of (b) if so, the number of cases notieed Sikkim in transfer of any technolog) by Government so far, action takeD to .e' developed by it. them cured of the trouble and amouot paid as compensation in each such case durio. Foreign Citizenshi, Acquired by the last two years; Indians (c) steps ta~en by Government to 7396. SURI MOOL CHAND DAGA : e(}~ure that the workers in tbis trade are Dot \\ iH tbe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS in\ \l)ved in the hazard. be pleased to state: (d) whether aU manufacturiDI COB- (a) tbe Dumber of Indians \\ ho got cerns have been djrected to take remidiaJ foreign citizenship during tbe last three effective steps; aDd years, year-wise and country-wise; (e) if so, the autbori ty whicb looks (b) name of Indian States or Union into this matter ? Territories whose natives got foreign citi- zenship; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) number of em,loyees of Indian MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TBCH- Foreign offices wbo aot foreign citizenship NOLOGY AND DEPARTMENTS OP durin. the last three year. ? OCEAN DBVBLOPMENT. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACB mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) to (e). MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS According to tbe press report appeariDa in (SHRI K. R.· NARAYANAN): (a) It is the daily 'Swatantra Bharat' of LuckDOW Dot possible to compile tbis information dated 7lh November, 1983 baaed 00 aD sioc:e mOlt Governments do not inform article entitled "Health Hazards iD the other Governments about acquisition of Electronics Industry" In the Auauat 8, nationality of their country. We have 1983 issue of IllduurlGl Toxlcol06Y BIIll.,I" been (&kinp up tbis .ubject with otber published by Industrial ToslcoJoay lltMUda Governments. Some forei&D countriCi Centre (IYRC) LuckDow. material. wbleb plead their inability because of their system are adversely atrectiDl the bealtb of wor... of due nationality, while others cite their in electroale iDduatry are: lead, ...... VAISAKHA 3, 1908 ($AkA) antomony, .nc, etc. A study of that Boards of the States; if not, the realODl article indicat. tbat it is basically a review tbereof; and of fon~jan literature on the types of occupa- tional health hazards wbicb arise in the (d) whether the State Plaoninl Boards electronics industry of highly industrialised call (or an outline o( tbe Plan from the countries like tbe USA and Canada. As district councils functioning at district level IUCb, these may not be directly applicable before framing their plans? to our electronics industry. Further· infor- mation is beina collected. THE M'NISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTRY OF PLANNING ·AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- [Tran,latlon] TRY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI A. K. PANJA): A statement State PlaDolDK Qoard. living tbe composition of State Planninl Boards is aiven below. These Boards are 7398. SHItI MOOL CHAND set up by the States and represent YarioUl DAGA: WiJl tbe Minister of PLANNING interests. be pleased to state : (b) In 1912, while advisinl the State (a) the names of tbe States and Governments to strengthen their planning Union Territories baving Planning Boards apparatus, it was suggested to tbem that or similar bodies with different nomencla- tbere should be an apex planning body at ture, and (he number and names of their the State-level with tbe Chief Minister, tho members and tbe criteria adopted (or their Finance Minister, the Planning Minister and selection; technical expens representing various departments and disciplines. (b) whether any guidelines have been issued by Government in this regard; if so, (c) Some of the State Govel'OlDCDts tbe details thereof, and if not whether have included peoples' representatives in the GOvernment propose to issue such State Planning Boards. auidelinea; (d) The State Governments call for (c) whether Government consider it the plans from tbe district-level, wherever oecessary to include people-s repre&eotauves these are prepared, and Integrate them ioto _.g. Memben of Parliament in tbe Plannina the State Plan. APRtL 23, ItS6 -~o ...; B CIo -.;:: ·E 00 Q '"o U - -g 00 .,., ~ 00 .SIl- "0 0\ .9 -0\ CI o· o -~ N Z- fa c:: ~ o (I) ii.i-• < < Z ... I! o Q .._ u... > ...... !! I ; o u .c :s U I E o u ~ - --- u s CIS... ..e- .!!I ..c 1' -- -- ~ iii cc J di ~- - \ 157 1fl,'llm .4".".,,, VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) W. Itt~" A nJwen .58 N ~ o.r- M co =.5 >.. o c :§ "0 .2 cocO _cu -v :> .S ::l C c 'E~ ~ 0 rn >.. 00_ .-u c_ .... 0"'0o -_ N ·c_ III - 0\ :l ~> ....; E = g 1. 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VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) expert fr (a) whether Government have a proposal 7400. SURI VAKKOM PURUSHO- to implement a number of software and THAMAN: Will tbe Minister of EXTER- computer applications projects in the country NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: with French aid; (a) how many officers were killed and (b) whether Indo-French ties have been bow many were injured in Indian embassies established for this purpose; during 1985 and 1986 till date; and (c) if so, the number of such projects (b) the compensation given to such proposed to be implemented; and officers and their dependents? (d) the steps taken in this direction ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) One MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- security guard in High Commission of India, LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF Kampala received superficial injuries when OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC a bomb exploded in front of the Chancery ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE on 28.S.1~85. (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. No official has been killed or injured in 1986 tin date. f --. (b) Yes Sir. The Indo-French Working Group on electronics and informatics.. set- (b) No compensation was given as the up in the framework of the 1983 protocol injuries were minor. for co-operation between India and France in Electronics and Informatics held its third Surv~y of Flora meeting in New Delhi, on 20-21 January, 1986. The two parties agreed that the 7401. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGA- Indo-French cooperation in Electronics and LAM: Will the PRIME l\-HNISTER be Informatics should focus on transfer of pleased to state : technology from France to India and joint efforts for export of knowhow, hardware, (8) whether status survey of the flora software and services to third countries. and vegetation of Port Blair, eco system of Both parties outlined that they were seeking Great Nicobar has been completed recently; cooperation on a loog term basis. and that jf so, the salient features thereof; the concrete projects designed by the r Working Group/with short and medium term (b) whether as a result of t~e study J ... objectives should be understood in that rare, endemic, endangered and economic frame work. p1ants will be re-introduced and preserved as a Gene Bank for the country; and (c) Twelve projects have been identified in the area of Software and Computer (c) what are the other important find- applications. ings and observations which will find practical application and follow up action "1 (d) To implement tbe recommendation of the Working Group specified projects THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have been worked out and Steering MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Committee consisting of the concerned FORESTS (SHRl Z.R. ANSARI): (a) y~! reprOltntativcs of itnpletnentiofJ agenci~s and Sir. Th~ salient findipB' arc : 163 Written Answer, APRIL 1St 1.N -There are at least 300 rare species of Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased ftowering plants in Great Nicobar. to state: -Wild relatives exist of cultivated (a) whether the AU India Central plants (such as wild arecsnut. lichi. betel Council of Pensioners Association has vine, banana and mango) which can be used appealed to the Prime Minister to initiate a as valuable gene resources. dialogue with the pensioners; (b) Some of tbe valuable ~nd rare species have already been introduced into (b) if so, whether Government have the botaDlcal garden of the Botanical Survey since initiated any dialogue with the of India at port Blair. pensioners; (c) The findings suggest that the fiora of (c) if so, details thereof; tbis island should be preserved. Introduc- tion of the rare species into tropical botanic gardens in the mainland needs to be worked (d) the difficulties experienced by out. pensioneR in tbe country presentiy; and Scheme for 'V ~Ifare of Prisoners (e) steps contemplated by the Govern- 7402. SHRI BANW ARI LAL PUROHIT: ment to look into and solve their difficul- SHRI N. DENNIS: ties ? SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGARWAL: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wm the Minister of WELFARE be MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC pleased to state : GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM): (a) and (c). No, (a) whether his Ministry has drawn up Sir. a new scheme for the welfare of prisoners in conscence with the objective that jails (b) While there is no forma1 dialogue sbould reatly be correctional homes to reform with the pensioners, the Minister of State and rehabilitate .the offenders; and Officials of this Department, meet with (b) if so, tb., proposed new scbeme; representatives of the pensioners on request and as often as possible, to hear their and representations/grievances. (c) to what extent the proposed new scheme wiJI belp in the economic rehabilita- (d) and (e). The difficulties stated to be tion of prisoners ? experienced by pensioners are attributable to sudden drop in living standards due to THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE reduced income. housina problems, lack of MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI aIRI- medicare in areas not covered by the Central DHAR GOMANGO) : (a) Yes, Sir. A Government Health Scheme, loss of facilities . proposal for i_ntroducing a new scheme for like concessional travel etc. the welfare of prisoners under the Seveoth Five Year Plan bas been accepted by the Planning Commission. The examination of tho pension struc- ture, including death-cum-retirement (b) and (c). The detai1s of tbe proposed benefits, for all pensioners both present and new scheme are being worked out. future, bas been referred to the Fourth Central Pay Commission. This is the first Dialogue "ltb Pensioners on their time since independence that tbe pension Prebte"8 structure is being examined in depth by a Hiah Level Commission. Furtber action 7403. SHRI BANW ~RI LAL PUROHIT: would be considered on'receipt of the recom. SHRIM,.'Q GEETA MVKHEIUfiJ3 : mCA~,ioDS of the Commission·, Protection of FrOiI (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : An ADDual Protocol and a Five Year Working Pro- 7404. SHRI SURESH KURUP : Will gramme of Cooperation in the field of the PRIME MINISTBR be pleased to Computers and Electronics between India state : and tbe Soviet Union was signed on 19th " March. 1986. Implementation of the various (a) whetber it is a fact tbat tbe two provisions is an ongoing and continuous species of edible frogs Rana Hexadactyla process. The progress will be reviewed in and Rana Ti&rina are nOW considered as the next meeting of the Working Group to endangered species; be held in 1987. (b) if so, tbe reasons for sucb a situa- Production of T. V. io 1986 tion; and 7406. PROF. P.J. KURIEN : Wili the (c) steps Government propose to take to PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: protect them? (a) the total number of televjsion sets THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE manufactured in the country in 1985; MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z, R. ANSARI) : (a)to (c). (b) the names of manufactulers who Tbe two species of fresh-water edible frop, produced more than one lakh television sets Rana htxadactyla and Rana tigr;na are ex- in 1985; and ploited because of the great demand for their legs, wbich are considered a de~ica~y ~br~~. (c) tbe expected production of television With a view to controlling tbelr lodlSCriDlI- sets in 1986 ? nate exploitation, tbe fresh water frogs belonging to the genUl Rana have been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE included under Scbedule IV of tbe Wildlife MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO, (Protection) Act 1972 wbich necess~tates a , LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF trapping licence to be Uisued aCCOrdlD& to OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC tbe prescribed procedure before the frogs ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE can be collected from nature, as also a (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) 2.46 dealersbip licence for anyone to process Million TV sets were manufactured .in the and deal in tbem. Besides, the two species country during 1985. of frogs are also listed under Appendix II of tbe Convention on InteInational Trade in (b) The names of manufacturers who Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and produced more than one lakb TV sets durina Flora (C.I.T.E.S.) which str~ctly rClulatc:s 1985 are given below: international trade in tbe Species and tbel[ derivatives. 1. MIs. Electronics Consortium Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi. Indo-USSR Protocol io Computers aod Elect ronies 2. MIs. Jupiter Radios (Reg.), Nt;w Delbi. 7405. SHRI K.V. SHANKARA GOWDA : Will the PRIME MINISTER be 3. Mis. Television and Component$ pleased to state by what time the implemen- Pvt. Ltd., Naroda tGujarat). tation of the five year protocol and a working programme of cooperation in 4. M ,'8. Ralectrooics Pvt. Ltd., computers and electronics agreeme~t s~d Bangaiore. recentl, between India and the SOViet Union is to take place ? 5. MIs. Weston Electronics, Ltd., New Delhi. , THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB MINISTR Y OF SCIENCB AND TECNNO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF (c) The production of TV sets durina OCEAN DBVELOPMENT. ATONUC 1986 is expected to be around 2.5 to 3 ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE million numbers. 161 Wrilten An.w,r, AJ?a.iL 23, 19~6 NAM's efforts to Solve Etbnic Problem in Washington on October 16-17, 1979, tbe of Sri Lanka Pakistanis had made It clear that India remained tbe principal threat against which 7407. PROF. P.l. KURIEN : Will the Pakistan must plan its defence, and suggeet- Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be ed that the absence of a good fighter aircraft, pleased to state : such as F-16s was their key weakness. (a) whether the leaders of NAM (b) This confirms Government's views countries have made any proposal or made tbat the arms acquired by Pakistan from any specific efforts to solve the ethnic USA could be used against India. Govern- problem in Sri Lanka; ~ent continues to maintain a constant vigil over all developments having a bearing (b) if so, the details thereof; on the country's security. (c) whether Government propose to use Regularisation of Casual Employees forum of NAM more effectively for finding in Cochin Naval Base a solution to the Sri Lankan problem; and 7409. PROF. K. V. THOMAS : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (d) if so, tbe efforts being made in this state : direction? (a) how many casual employees ill THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Cochin Naval Base have completed 240 days MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS service; and (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) No Sir. (b) how many of them are made (b) Does not arise. regular? (c) There is 00 such proposal. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- (d) Does not arise. SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SURI ARUN SINGH) : (a) 334 as on 17th April, Acquiriog F-16 Planes by Pak for use 1986. against India (b) 80 as on 17th April, 1986. 7408. PROF. P.l. KURIEN : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be New Railway Line during Seventh Plan pleased to state: 7410. PROF. NARAIN CHAND (a) whether attention of Governments PARASHAR : Will the Minister of has been drawn to the press reports quoting PLANNING be pleased to refer to the a diSClosure made by the IranIans who Unstarred Question 1484 on 5th March. seized certain documents from the American 1986 regarding projects languishing for want embassy there to the effect that a Pakistani of adequate fund allocation and state : -official had confessed that F-16 war planes acquired by Pakistan are intended to be used (a) the nature of,priority given to each against India; and one of the 14 new Railway Lines Ongoing (b) jf so, the reaction of Government projects during the Seventh Five Year PJan thereto? and whether it would be ensured that all these projects are completed by allocatiol THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE liberal finances before more projects are MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS taken up; and (SHRI K.R. NARAY AN AN) : (a) The documents from the US Embassy in Teheran (b) if not, the reasons therefor and the which were seized and published by the steps proposed to be taken to avoid the Iranians indicate that at the Foreign Minister- further escalation of the costs of construc- level talks held between USA and Pakistan tion in tbese projects '1 VAISAicAA~, 1908 (SAKA) THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE . AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN MINISTRY OF PLANNING AND SINGH) : (a) and (b). The question of MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- establishing a Parliamentary Committee to TIlY OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES oversee the implementation of tbe statutory (SHRI A.K. PANJA) : and (b). For provisions to be made in terms of the the purpose of investments in the Railways' recommendations of the High Level Com- Seventh Plan tbe on-going projects for mittee was examined. As the. need for construction of uNew Railway Lines" have enactment of a statute has not been been prioritised as project linked and strategic accepted, a Parliamentary Committee to Jines, lines for the North-Eastern r:giont oversee theIr implementation is not consider- lines nearing complelion and other railway ed necessary. lines. Of the 14 "NEW LINE" projects taken up in the Sixth Plan tbe following 5 As for the need for the establishment of are more important being in the nature of a Parliamentary Comm! ttee to oversee non- project oriented and/or strategic lines: statutory provisions, and its precise cbarter of functions if tbe need is accepted, the 1. Motumari-Jaggayapetta position is under examination. 2. Bhuj-Nalia (Translat ion] 3. Kota-Neemucb Plantation j n Hilly Areas of Uttar Pradesb 4. Talcher-Sambalpur 7412. SHRI HARISH RAW AT : Will ? Koraput-Rayagada the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: The need for completing essential ongo- (a) whether Guvernment are aware of ing projects which add to the transport tbe fact that coniferous trees alone form 90 capacity in critical areas before undertaking per cent of the tree plantation that is beiDg new starts sO as to prevent time/cost over- done under the social forestry programme in runs is recognised. The availability of funds the hill areas of Uttar Pradesh; and for such "NEW LINE" project would, however. have to take into consideration (b) if so, tbe reasons therefor, and tbe other essential requirements of the railway steps being taken by· Government to increase system. the . planting of moisture-absorbing broad- leafed species of trees like Oak in these Settlol up of a Parliamentary Committee areas? for tbe Welfare of Ex-Servicemen THE MINISTER OF STATE IN "THE 7411. ·PROF. NARAIN CHAND MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND PARASHAR : Will the Minister of FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI): Governments to emphasise ralsIDg of trees estimated quantity tbereof and the mMaures like oak and other broad-leaved species taken to exploit them? which are .more desirable frotn very many .ogles. THE ~l1NiSTER OF STATE IN THE MINISIRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Approval for Construction of College LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS Building in Almota lJistrict of OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMiC Uttar Pradesh under ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE Forest Act (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. 7413. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (b) Uranium anomalies have been slate : located at the (oHowing pla~s in Uttar Pradesh: (a) whether tbe MlOistry of EnVironment and Forests bas received a proposal for (i) Plateau Region : approval of the construction of college -Senan area of LaJitpur District. building at Syalde (Almora U.P.) under tne provisions of the Forest (Con~ervatlOn) Act, (ii) HiH)' Region : 1980; (a) Timli area (Sakumbari Rao, (b) if so, when this proposal was Naugajiya Rao, Panav. Satyani received; Rao and adjoining Tract) of Saharanpur District. (c) whether necessar,)' approval bas since , been accorded to this proposal; anJ (b) Kathaul, Danaur, Kholearh and adjoining Tract in Nainital and (d) if not, the reasons for the delay and PIthoragarh Districts. tbe remedial steps proposed to be taken (c) in this regard ? HiHy· Tract near Mussourie, Dehradun Dist. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MiNISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (d) Ingedinala-Brijranigad - Baleshwar- FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : (a) and Budha Kedar-Tract. Tebci and (b). Yes" Sir. A proposal was re..:eived in Uttar Kasbi Districts. this Ministry on 4th October, 1985. Ce) Pokbri-Tunji Tract, Cbamoli District. (c) aDd (d). The Government of Utt~r Pradesh was requested to furnish certam (f) Lamai-Champawat-Tract, Pithora- essential information related to the propos~l garh District. on 16th October, 1985, to enable thIs Ministry to take a final decision ?n t~e Investigation of uranium anomalies proposal. The requisite information 1S stIll in a1l of these localities is in an exploratory awaited from the State Government and stage and bas not yet revealed hence a decision cannot be taKen. any significant reserves. Consequently, no exploitation ·of t'_ mineral has been Uranium Found io Plateau and Hill)' taken up. Areas of UP Setting up of the Unit of D.E.L. 7414. SHRI HARISH RAViAl : Will in Kotdwar (UP) tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 7415. SHRI HARISH RAW-AT: Will (a) wbether uranIum and allied minerals the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to bave been found in some plateau and hill state: areas of Uttar Prcldesh; and (b)" if so, the names of pJaces where (a) whether land etc. has since been these minerals have' been fouod aod tbe acquirod for the settinl up of the proposed VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SA.KA) unit of Bbarat Electronics Limited in (b) and (c). Government has taken tbe Kotdwar (Uttar Pradesh); foHowing initiatives amongst, others for tribal development during Seventh Plan- (b) if so, whether the construction work on tbis project is expected to be started (1) Identification of tribal clusters to during the current financial year; and increase the coverage of tribal population under the Tribal sub- (c) if so, the total amount allocated for Plan strategy. this purpose this year? (2) Programmes for _the rehabilitation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of vulnerable tribal groups such MINISTRY OF DEFENCE PRODl)CTION as shifting cultivators, forest viJIages AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI SUKH and deve10pment of tribal women. RAM) : (a) Approximately 65.9 acres of (3) Schemes fer tbe upgradation of land have already been acquired for the new tribal ski1ls and technology. unit of BEL, Kotdwar (UP). An additional requirement of 40 acres of _land is in the (4) Special housing programmes for process of acquisition. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. (b) Construction work for the factory ba'l already started. (5) Distribution of foodgrains at concessional rates in ITDP areas. (c) Adequate provision has been made for this purpose this year. (6) The establishment of a Tribal Cooperative Marketing Develop- [English] ment Federation (TRIFED). New Scbemes for Welfare of Tribals Steps to save Tribals from Exploitation 7416. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI 7417. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: Win Wi1I the Minister of WELFARE be pleased the Minister of ,,"'ELFARE be pleased to to state: state : (a) whether Government have taken (a) the main reasons for the lack of ROy steps to save tribals from exploitation expected progress among the tr ibals; in different parts of the country; and (b) whether Govemmnnt have intro- (b) if so, the details of tbe steps taken duced some new schemes after recognising in this regard in Bastar. Jagdalpur. Raj~arb the importance of bringing the tribals and other tribal areas in Madhya Pradesh into the national life; and during the last two years? (c) if so, the details regarding these THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE new schemes ? MINISTRY OF WELFARE (DR. RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI) : (a) To THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE prevent the exptoitatioo of fribals in tbe MINISTRY OF WELFARE ( 7418. SHRI T. BALA GOUD : (c) the details of the recommendations SHRI N. DENNIS: of the workshop submitted to Govern- SHRI MULLAPPALLY ment? RAMACHANDRAN: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI be pleased to state : GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) to (c). Natiol1aJ Workshop on Minorities Women (a) whether the working of jails in worker's was held at New Delhi on 20th India especially the Central Jails needs and 21st March. 1986, under tbe Chairman- improvement in the field of jail security and ship of Cbairman. Minorities Commission. maintenance of prisoners; 46 delegates from 13 States aod Union Territory of Delhi participated In tbe (b) whether the Jail Reforms Committee Workshop. Minorities Commission haa not set up earlier by the Government of India yet sent tbe recommendatioDs to tho bad recommended measures for improving Government. tbe working of jails and also for preventing jail breaks: Fencing of Indo-Pakistan Border to Cbeck Illegal Infiltration aDd (c) the steps taken by Government to Smuggling implement these decisions; and 7420. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: (d) whether there is any periodical SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: shifting of jail staff with a view to reduce corruption and tbe possibility of jail staff (letting close to the criminals lodged in Will tho Minister cf HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : jails 7 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether it is a fact tbat there is a MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS large scale of infiltration and ~mUf8IjD' ~R _r.~ ~ n"n<::.TP'R OF ST ATE I~ th~ lndo-Pakistan border; I" Written Answer, VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAXA) Written Answer, 178 (b) whether Government propose to Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be provide fence on the entire Indo-Pakistan pkased to state: border to check mega1 infi1tration and sft)uggling; (a) the number of persons arrested after the imposition of Governor's rule in Jammu (c) if so, tbe details thereof; and the and Kashmir; time by which it is likely to be completed; and (b) whether tbe persons arrested are (d) if not, the reasons therefor? involved in anti-national activities; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the ncrion Go\.ernment prcrose to DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL take agai nst II'em ? SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) No, Sir. DEPARTMENT OF lNTERNAL SECU· RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) to (c). (c) Does nC't arise. The information is being collected and will be laid on the table of the House. (d) Government do not consider it necessary to provide fencing on Indo-Pak border. Measures have a heady been fa ken I.egistation on Proce (a) whether it has come to the notice (b) whether propoc:ed enactment would of Union Government that postf'lS by the a Iso include provision for the' C3'i\e'S of rape Student Islamic movement of India instiga- heing c0oducteod in court~ in camera only? ting communal tendencies like "Liberation of India through Islam" has appeared all THE ~11NTSTFR OF ~TATE IN THE over Kerala; and DFPARTMENT OF lNTFRNAL SECU- (b) if so, what action Govem~ent RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU\ ~ (a) There propose to take in this regard? is no such propo'aJ. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Section 327 of tbe Cole of Criminal DEPARTMENT OF lNTERNAL Procedure, 1973 was amended by the Cri- SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) minal Law (Amendment) Act. 1983 (43 of Yes, Sir. 1983) to provide that the inquiry into and (b) Apart from preventive arrests. trial of rape or an offence under section 376, section 376A. section 376B, section 376C or three cases were registered in Trichur section 376D of the lndian Penal Code shalt district and one case in Wynad district by the state Government authorities. be conducted in camera. provided that the presiding judge may. if be thinks fit, or on Anti-National Activities in Jammu and an application made by eithe 1 of the parties. Kashmir allow any particular person to have acc~ss to, or be or remain in, the room or buildina 7422. SORI JANAK RAJ GUPTA ~ nQ_A ...... - ----_. APRIL 23, ID86 Wrlttt!" Answer, 180 Setting up of Standiog Committee for (b) if so, the salient practical findinp And.man and Nlcobar thereof; 7424. SHRI JAI PRAKASH (c) whether water of Kalyani reservoir AGARWAL: Will the PRIME MINISTER near Tirupati has been found to be high in be pteased to state : Calcium, Potassium, etc; and (a) whether attention of Government (d) jf so, whether it indicates need for bas been drawn to a joint publication entitl- suitable water treatment through ion-exchange ed "Manaaillg Tropical Moist Forests- methods etc. ? Endangered Andamans" of the Environmen- tal Services Group~ World Wildlife Fund. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB India and the Department of Environment MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND which had recommended a standing Commit- FORESTS (SHRT Z.R. ANSARI): (a) tee OD new developments in the Andaman Yes. Sir. and Nicobar group of islands because these islands represent a unique and tremendous (b) The salient finding are : ecological heritage and the richest expression of life; and (i) The amount of organo-phosphorus and organo-chlorine residue in (b) if so, the reaction of Government pady straw samples coIJected from thereto: and village farms in Chittor and Nellore Districts exceeded the Cc) the steps taken or proposed to be amounts recommended by the taken by Government to stop environmental Codex Committee and the accept- threat and destruction of forests in the able daily intake value. Andamans? (ii) The pesticide residue survey of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE three irrigation tanks and one MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (abandoned) pond showed very FORESTS (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI): (a) low levels of residues. Yes, Sir. (iii) Partbenium leaf extract is found to (b) and (c). Realising the importance of cause mortality with test insects. biological wealth and diversiiy of the Anda- man Islands a Joint Committee under the (iv) Certain biochemical experiments chairmanship of Member (Science) Planning for studying the dose/time related Commission has considered questions relat- response of tissues of fish and mice ing to integrated development ~f tbe Islands vis-a-vis their enzyme status were compatible with ecological conservation. also carried out. The deve10pment projects proposed to be (c) Hydrochemical survey revealed that taken up would be scrutinised from tbe Kalyani reservoir water contains high environmental angle before a decision for calcium, sodium, chloride. acidity and lesser their implementation is taken. Conservation ~ concentrations. of the forest wealth is being given top priority. (d) The concentration leve)s mentioned above are generally observed in waters of Water Pollution in Kalyani Relenolr tbis .nature. There is no necessity of any specull treatment through the expensive ion- 7425. SHill D.N. REDDY: Wilt tbe excbanse methods. PR.IME MINISTER be pleased to state : (a) whether a study OD Monitoring and SettJng up of l.stJtute of GaerUJa Warfare Surveillance of Environmental Pollution and by Pat at Allabad bioloaical methods of detoxifying tbe 7426. PROF. NJRMALA KUMARI pollutants pesticides cootaminatioD in water SHAKTAWAT: etc. in rural areas of 1la)'al~~ llas '?eel' PR.OF. "AM KRISHNA MOR~. S~IT,BAS~E~: ' ~~~,!'Jt!t~r~~~ UA v •• -._ > , VA!SAICHA ~t 1908 (SAKA) Will the Minister of EXTERNAL Resenation for Backward ClassH AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 7428. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHO- (a) whether it is a fact that Pakistan THAMAN : Will the Minister of WELFARE bas set up an institute of guerilla warfare at be pleased to state : Aliabad in Pak held area of Kasbmir; (a) whether reservation for appointment (b) if so, the Dumber of such Institute in services under Govelnment of India is set up by Pakistan so far; and given to the backward classes in the country; (c) whether these Institutes pose threat (b) if so, the details thereof; and to Indian security '1 (c) if not, taking into consideration tbe THE MINlSTER OF STATE IN THE backwardness of these sections of people, MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS whether Government propose to give them (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). reservation in appointments to Government Government have seen press reports to tbis services? . effect. However, no confirmation is availa- ble about any institute having been set up in THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Aliabad in Pak for the specific purpose of MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI impprting training in guerilla warfare. GIRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) to (c). There is at present no Central list or reser- (c) Does not artse. vation for other backward classes for appointment in services under the Govern- Piracy in Software Export ment of India. The question of consideriD, institutmg any such reservation will arise 7421. DR. B.L. SHAILESH : Will the only after a final decision is taken on PRlME MINISTER be pleased to state: recognising other backward classss. (a) whether Government's attention has Pension to Freedom Fighters in tbe been drawn to the news item captioned Country and Andbra Pradesh "Hard on Software" regarding plagiarising the software industry appearing in the 'India 7429. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will Today', New Delhi dated the 31 March, tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 1986; to state: Statement S. N.1me of the Slate No. of applications No. of applications No. of Cases No. received considered sanctioned 1 2 3 4 5 Under Under 1972 19~O Scheme Scheme 1. Assam 16445 8453 19537 4078 2. Orissa - 7555 7053 13300 3772 3. Tripura lYll 440 2331 694 4. Meghalaya 124 142 151 72 5. Manipuf 125 57 135 62 6. Nagaland 15 4 19 3 7. A. and N. 34 59 93 38 8. Mizoram 3 1 4 3 9. Chandigarh 99 41 127 81 10. Delhi 2199 701 2810 1838 t 1. Arunachal Pradesh 1 40 41 2 12. Goa ) 908 1002 2894 684 13. Pondicherry ]051 775 1794 280 14. West Bengal 28062 47506 49020 15820 15. U.P. 24229 2740 25254 17008 16. Punjab 9680 2729 11691 6013 17. Haryana 2029 504 2304 1399 18. J. and K. 1653 1412 2888 1627 19. Rajasthan 1091 454 1499 678 773 20. H.P. 401 1116 434 21. Bihar 47894 46677 79884 21329 22. M.P. ~877 2300 7851 3096 18S Wlltlllli if.1UW~" VAISAKHA J, 1908 (SAKA) W,.ltteli ~lUwe" 186 1 2 3 4 5 23. Kerala 9332 20737 24865 2396 24. A.P. 13679 7327+4759* \9324+1775· 6176+ 1137 = 12086 =21099 =7313 25. Tamil Nadu 7070 4551 11514 3829 26. Gujarat 5636 1132 6660 3419 27. Maharasbtra 18247 9270+5215* 26109+1283· 12957+1194 = 14485 =27392 = 14151 28. Karnataka 12911 4817+991 * 16041 +529* 9096+436 =5808 = 16570 =9532 29. INA 29561 5104 31643 18701 *Border Camp Cases. [T,.anslation] [English] Investigation into the Mystery of A Rann of Kutch turning Desert Secret Mission to China 7432. DR. B.L. SHAILESH : 7430. SHRI SUBHASH Y ADA V SHRI SRIBALLAV PANf- Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS GRAHl: be pleased to state : SHRI MANIK REDDY SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY; (a) whether attention of Government bas been drawn to the news itcCj appeared Will the PRIME tvllNISTER be pleased in the "Jansatta" deted 25 February, 1986 to state : wherein it bas been reported tbat the Government of India are investigating into (a) whether the Rann of Kutch, once the mystery of a secret mission of three men kr.o", n as Asia's biggest pasture is fast party from India to China in which one halling anto a desert because of indiscri- American nationa) is invo)ved; minate felling of local species of trees, unscientific exploitation of meagre water (b) whether Government have found resources and steady saline ingress from the out the identity of tbe American national Kori creek; and wbo accompanied tbat Dlission; and (b) if so, what steps are being taken (c) if so. the detaih thereof and the at the Central level to ch~k this and action taken by Government in the whether any long-term plan bas blen formulated in this behalf '1 matter '1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAJRS MINISTR Y OF ENVIRONMENT AND (SHRl K.R. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes. FORESTS (SHRI Z R. ANSARI): (a) Sir. Tbe RanD of Kutch bas sinc. long been saline land on which trees do not grow. (b) and (c). According to available Only the islands in the Rann have trees and information, no American national travelled sometimes fresh water. from India to China as part of the delega- tion referred to in tbe uJanasatta" item of (b) Tbe little Rann of Kutch is a 25th Febuary, 1986. wildlife sanctuary assisted . financially · . APR1L 2:4. 19~6 by the Central Government and under which the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to the Rann and the islands in it receive state : protection. The Central Government has also advised the Government of GLjarat to (a) the.! number of employees in the declare Khadir Island and a portion of the defence ordnance factories; Great Rann in which it is situated, as a wildlife sanctuary as well. If such a (b) whether there is any proposal to sanctuary is established, financial assistance retrench a certain percentage of these for its better protection could be provided employees, if so, what are the guidelines for by the Central Government. ~uch a retrenchment; Freedom Fighters Pension for Arya (c) how the productivity performance Samajists of Hyderabed and efficiency of these factories is judaed; and 7433. SHRI VlJOY KUMAR YADAV : Will the Mimster of HOME (d) whether the products of ordnance AFFAIRS be pleased to state : factories are sold at armed forces, if so, bow prices are arrived at or their total costs (a) whether it is a fact that the persons debited to tbe armed forces account? who participated 10 the movement launched by Arya Samaj against Hyderabad Nizam, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have been included under freedom fighter DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRO- pension scbeme (Swatantrata Saimk Sam man DUCTION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES Pension Scheme); (SHRI SUKH RAM): (a) The total number of emloyees in ordnance factories as (b) If so, the complete details thereof, on 1-12-1985 was 1,91,155. and the last date fi~ed for sending applica- tions for this; and (b) No, Sir. (c) the number of such applications (c) The performance is judged by recei ved so far? comparing achievement against targets THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE wherever set. Based on performances MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS productivity index is determined in respect AND THE MINJSTER OF STATE IN of eacb year's proquction and the efficiency THE MINISTRY OF HOtvlE AFFAIRS is judged relatively by comparison of the (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA; : (a) Yes index with that of past years. Sir. (d) The budget of Ordnance Factories (b) Conditions of eligibility for grant forms a part of Army budget. So tbe of pension for tbose who participated in the question of selling products of Ordnance Arya Samaj Movement are the same as Factories to Army docs not arise. Issues under tbe Swatantrata Sainik Samman to Navy and Air Force are costed and book Pension Scheme. The last date fixed for adjustments are made between the accounts receiving applications in this regard has of Army on the one hand and of the Navy been fixed at 30th June, 1986 and a and Air Force on the other. Press Note is being issued in this regard. Link of Tribal National Volunteer. (c) No fresh application has so far witb Bangladesh been received pursuant to the decision of the Government. However. applications 7435. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK received from this category of freedom SHRIGURUDASKAMAT: fighters but rejected earlier are being re- PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE opened on the requests from individual freedom fighters. _ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Employees in Ordnance Factoriel (a) whetber Government's atteatioD 7434. SHIll C. JANGA REDDY : Will bas been drawn to the news item c:aptioDCd ..... 'F.... 'Y""I" .,.. "" ...... J89 Written .4,..".,' VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) "Chinese arms through Bangladesh to TNV" RATHAWA: Will the Minister of appearina in cHindustan Times' dated WELFARE be pleased to state : 31 March, 1986 Itating that officials in Alanala bave confirmed that there is a (a) whether his Ministry have been tink of the underground Tribal National providing funds to different States for Volunteers (TNV) with Bangladesh construction of hostels for SC(ST students; authorities and that highly sophisticated foreign made arms were finding their to wing (b) if so, State." ise allocation of to the rebel groups since late last year; funds made for construction of hostels for (b) whether reports have also been SC/ST students during tbe Sixth Five received that weapons were transferred to Year PJan, year-wise, with detaiJs thereof' and J TNV from the store of the 24 Bangladesh Army Division based in Cbittagong after their landing at (c) the details of provision made for the Chittagong port around Dec. 26; and Seventh Five Year Plan '1 (c) if so, the reaction of Union THE MIN1STER OF STATE OF THE Government thereto '1 MINISTRY OF WELFARE (DR. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI) : (a) Yes, DEPARTMENT OF lNTERNAL Sir. Under the Centrally Sponsored Scheme SECURITY (SHRt ARUN NEHRU) : of Girls Hostels, Central assistance is (a) to (c). Government's attention has provided to the State Governments on 50:50 beeD drawn to press reports mentioned at basis fOI the construction of hostel (a) and (b). According to reports Tripura buildings for Scheduled Castes and (Tribal) National Volunteers are operating S(;heduled Tribes girls. There is no such from bases across tbe border. Tbe attention scbeme for boys. of Bangladesh Government was drawn to such reports. The Bangladesh Government (b) A statement glVlDg the requisite have denied existence of any such bases. information is given below. As for tbe supply of highly sophisticated (c) A total provision of Rs. 281.22 foreign-made arms by Bangladesb to TNV crores has been made for the Centrally and transfer of arms by 24 Bongladesh Army Spodsoled Schemes dUling the Seventh Division to TNV, nothing specific has been Five Year Plan including the scheme of knoWD to establish this report. Girls Hostels for Scheduled Caste and Construction of Hostels (or SC/~T Schenuled Tribe girls. The Scheme-wise Students break-up of this allocation bas Dot been finalised by tbe PlanDlng Commission $0 7436. SHRI AMARSINH far. 191 W,ltte" 1I",wr, APRIL 23. 1986 \ o N o I ~ - - o ~I o ( o - Vl o o Vl ~ 00 o ....,. - 00 0\ 00 r- r- r- ~ \C) 00 - ~ 00 I 00 N oe 0\- o o o- 8 o o- 00 o -c. 8 V\ co N o. (;:) 0\- - V) o o r- en ~ - N - ~ aas -as... U) rn 'S' < o - - r-i Ita ...,...... V\ V\ ~ ~ g N ~ r-- 10 ~ '" ... ~ 0\ \0 vi g \D V\ ..... 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" APIUL 23. 1," N .,.. - 00 I ~ 00 0\- - r--. o 0\ - -0\ 00 -0\ R- 00 00 -d» 00 -0\ :a u Q ...: . - N -C"l VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAK~) Negotiations with Tribal Natioaal and (b). Governmrnt are aware of violent , Volunteers incidents, including killings, by TNV in Tripura,. which arc mainly aimed at 7437. SHRI TARIQ ANWAR : Will terrorising people, snatching arms, extortiDI tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased money and creating ethnic tension. to state: (c) 5 TNV extremists have been arrested (a) whether Government are aware of in this regard during the current year. the intensified violent activities of Tribal National Volunteers (T.N.V.); Amount Utilised under Special Compo- (b) whether Government propose to nent Plan open negotiations with them; and 7439. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Win (c) whether any proposal with a five the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to point charter of demands from T.N.V. bas state: been received by Government aod if so, reaction of Government thereto ? (a) tbe total allocation of the amount earmarked for Special Component Plan for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the welfare of Scheduled Castes and DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL Scheduled Tribes during the Sixth Five Year SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) Plan, year-wise; Government are aware of violent activities of TNV. (b) what was the percentage from Union Government in such total allocation for each (b) aod (c). The Government have not State and the Union T~rritory; and received any pR)posal or charter of demands from TNV. There is no question of negotiation with TNV which bas been (c) the amount utilised during each indulging in violent activities apart from year? advocating secessionism. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Killings by Guerrillas of Tribal National MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GIRl.. Volunteers in Tripura DHAR GOMANGO): (a) and (c). Special Component Plan is only for tbe development 7438. PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI of Scheduled Castes. 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GO ~ '" ~ lin ~ .,., ~ V\ 00 ,..: .. u u N 0 N \C) - -00 Ul \0 0 en N -~ ~ ~ :I------~ .B :s 0 "0 i ..c ::I c .. ~ as t= "0 as .c ~ c ~ ...... I .. CI ...u e ~ !; .c• ~ v a .c a 0. Sl e ... ;0 u 0.. ""::J c= ;a • - 0. = :E i .1 ·s c.: CI a i ·c i • -."0 I :2 :I ~ t0.. D! r;j ~ ... ::) ~ ! a If 0 ~ z . ..; . "- -n ,..: 00 0\ N f'f'\...... - .- ... t'oI ,~ ..... d ...... - R - N N ~()) Written Answer, APRIL 23, 1986" [Translation] capital, and also to improve their financial' working? Implementation of 20~Point Programme THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 7440. SHRI VIJOY KUMAR YADAV MINISTR Y OF WELFARE (SHRI Will the Minister of I")ROGRAMME GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) Yes Sir. IMPLEMENTATION be pleased to state: (b) and (c). While the comments on tbe (a) whether Government have made any finances of Delhi Wakf Board are not wen assessment in regard to nnplementation of founded, the fact remains that there is room the 20-Point Programme. National Rural for improvement in the operations of the Employment Programme and other schemes wakfs and the \Vakf Boards. Under tbe during the past one year (1985 -86); Wakf Act, 1954. the State Wakf Boards are set up by the respective State Governmentsl (b) if so, the state-wise details thereof; Governments of the Union Territories who and have the powers to supervise the functioning of Boards. The powers of the Central (c) the action taken by Government to Government, under the Wakf Act, 1954, are speed up implementatlofl of these schemes? limited to issue of directions on questions of policy to be followed by a Board. How- THE MlNISTER OF PROGRAM~IE ever, the Central Government have been Jl\fPLEt\-IENTA TION (SHRI A.B A. takings interest in asslstmg tbe Wakf GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY) : (a) Yes Administration in solving matters of common Sir. The various ",items of tbe 20-Point concern. Programme incluaing National Rural Employment Programme are being monitored 1 he Primary source of income of a Wakf Board is the statutory contribution regularly on monthly and quarterly basis. it receives from individual Wakfs out of their (b) A set of statements giving the State- nct annual income. If. therefore, the wise and Pointwise performance during resources of individual Wakfs could be made April '85-February '86 for the items more productive, it will result in corres- covered under the MO:1thly Progress Reports. ponding increase 10 the income of the Board. laid on the table of the House. In this context the Central Wakf Council, [Placed in Library" See No. LT-2703/86] an advisory body set up by the Government of India under the Wakf Act, 1954, bas (c) From time to time Government of been advancing loans to various Wakf India take up the matter with the States Boards institutions for the development of for speedy imp~ementatjon of the Pro- their urban wakf properties on the basis of gramme. annual grants-in-aid received by it from the Central Government for this specific (English] purpose. Working of Wakf Boards Portuguese Laws and Decrees in Force in Goa, Daman and Diu 7441. DR. B.L. SHAILESH : Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state : 7442. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (a) whether bis attention has been pleased to state : drawn to the news item captioned "Walk funds to belie Government hopes·' appearing (a) whether there are a number of Portugues.e laws and decrees in force in in the 'Indian Express', New Delhi of 13 March, 1986; the Union Territory of Goa, Daman and Diu; (b) if so, the facts of tbe case; and (b) if so, the details and titles thereof; and (c) tbe steps being taken by Government to ensure etI~ive working of the Wakf (c) reasons for not replacina t¥ae b)' Boa,rds in the country. particularly in the Indian statutes 80 far '1 L 205 'PI'rll16n Answer.J V AISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) Wrltt~n Answer, 206 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE regarding Poisons Controlled by MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS the Directorate of Health. Services. AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 11. Decreto No. 3461 regarding RAM NIWAS MIROHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. Marriage in the Union Territory. (b) A statement is given below. 12. Convencao De j2·6-1912 regarding Conflicts in the matter of (c) The matter relating to the review of Marriage. Portuguese laws in force in the Union territory of Goa, Daman and Diu and 13. Decreto dated 3-11-1910 Lei Do extension of corresponding Indian laws is Divorcia. under consideration of the Committee set up by the Union Territory Administration. The 14. Legislative Diploma No. 1847 recommendations of tbe Committee for dated 6-Jl-1950 regarding Services retention of the existing Portuguese laws or of Civil Registration. otherwise are stiJl awaited. 15. Decreto No. 43899 dated 3-9-1961 Statement regarding Reorganisation of the Several Services of Registration of Statement of Portuguese Laws in Force Over~eas Provinces and Protaria in the (Jnion 1 er,.itory of Goa, No. 18714 dated 6-9-1961 regard- Daman and Diu ing Classification of the Offices of 1. Estatute Dos Funcionalismo Ultra- the Land Registration, Commercial marino. Registration 'Propridade Automovel' Registration Civil Registration and 2. Code of Comrnunicades. Notrry Offices. 3. PortariaNo. 7012 dated 17-9-57 16. Codigo Civil Portuguese. rcgardini Transportation of Dead Bodies outside the District of Goa 17. Decreto No. 2 dated 25-12-1910 and Exhumation of the Corpse. regarding Lei Do Protecao Das Filhas. 4. Regulament De Mazanias Diploma Legislative No. 645 dated 30-3-1933 18. Codigo Da usese E Contumes De (as Amended by Diploma Legisla- Habitantes Nao Cristaos De tive No. 1898 dated 19.5.1959.) Damao Modified by Portaria Codigo Do Registo Civil Approved 5. Regulamento De Contrubicao by Decreto dated 9-12-1912. Predial Legislative Diploma No. 1785 dated 7.4.1958. 19. Codigo Da uses E Costumes Indus Gentios De Goa dated 16-12-1880. 6. Legislative Diploma No. 1789 dated 15-4-1958 Regulan1ento De Imposto Complementar Sobre Os 20. Legislative Diploma No. 743 dated Rendimentos. 18.7.1934 regarding the Right to Collect Royalty by River Navia- 7. CodilO Do Registo Civil. tion Deptt. from Canoeman for Transportation of Passengers by 8. Decree No. 473 DTE 20.12.1899 Canoes or Country Crafts at tbe Licence Para Espectaculo Teatral. River Crossings when tbe Ferry Services are run Departmentally. 9. Decreete LEI No. 41077 Art. 7 (1) only regarding Issue of Identity 21. Legislative Diploma No. 790 dated Cards to Private Persons for the 4-6-1935 which Empower River purpose of Public Employment. Navigation Department to Intro- duce l"tew Ferry Services with lOp 1A8is1ative Diploma No. 1452 Mcbanised Crafts where tlle$o ..-c leued out by tho Municipalities aPPl'o\lfJd by neu. dated for Carriaae of Passengers by 9·11-19.12. Canoes or Country Crafts. 32. Portaria No. 4749 dated 30.9.1948 ». Decree No. 37570 dated 3-10-1949 as amended by Portaria Nos. SI!Jl reaarding Election of Managing and 5510 dated 18.1.12 and Committee of Devasthan in cases 13-6-1952 respectively rePrdinl not provided in the Devasthan table of fees for co,s~ction Regulatioo. fegistration, licence of vesselc poj't clearances, examinatioll of m.stcn 13~ ktions 653 to 765 of reforma and Drivers and licencin. of fish- Administrative Ultramarina which ings nets etc. have not been replaced by section 10 of Administrative Tribunal Act, 1965. 33. Diplama No. 644 aa4 144 r~ll~ct· ina lcaal claim of fo~ts. 24. Section 169 of Legislative Diploma No. 178 Dtd. 7-4-58 R/W Section 34. Notarial Code (Codi80 DO Torial) 3 of the Leaislative Diploma No. Decree No. 8373 Dtd. 18.9.1961 1835 reaardiDR appeals relating to Diploma Legislative No. 209S DC. Assessmeat of Land Tax. Z6.6.1961. 2'. s.totiOll 31 of the Legislative 35. Land reaistration code (Codiao Do Dipiome No. 1635 regarding Reailto Predial) e.pl1l'0v~ by ,ppcals re"ting to Assessment of Decree to LB No. 4256 Dt. t80 Coq,leQlClltar)' OD Land Tax. 8.10.1959. 26. Section 1 and 2 of the Legistative Diploma Ne. 1650 Dtd. 13-9-56 36. Diploma No. 1842 rellrdina read with Section 663 of reform a recoveries of old 8liRini "*. Adaninistrativc Ultramarina resard- iaa accounts proceedinas of institu- 37. Diploma legislative No. 1701 tion and approval of receipts and Combatc Filapia. expenditure. 38. Diploma lea1alativc No. 1468 27. Legislative Diploma No. 1884 resardins rcaulationa of Medical dated 14-4-1960 regarding and Nursing Profesaion. Govcrnina of Provedoria. 39. Codigo DentolQ"~ Protaria 5882. 28. Protugues Water Supply Bye Laws as regulated by Porta ria No. 6802 ~O. Portaria 6326 Table.de Honaranos dated 10-2-J956 and Portaria No. Medicos. 704 dated 10-10-1957. 41. Codiao 001 .,..c Costume. Daa 29. Portaria No. 1988 Pertainioa to JllbabitanlS Nao Cria~ De Diu Probibition of construction of (code of the usupa MIJ~ custom. permanent nature within certain of the non-Christian Inhabitants of distance frotn higb tide line. Diu, approvt'C! _'y P4),..-ia No. 24 dated 10.1.1894. 30. Portaria No. 340 dated 1-6-1923 reprdiol observance of 100 Mts. 42. Decree No. 'JIJD7 .... 7-7-1960 from the boundary wall of reprdinl sbarin. of penaion cemetry in cities and villal!es of amOOI aovero.... , and thae Goa. as free zone. AutoDomoua Bodies. ~ 1. Rqulamem Da Capitnia Dos 43. MODtepio DE Decreo No. ~~ Portol (c.p~Q of fort JtesulatioDl) dated +, .6! 1934, 209 Written Answers VATSAKPA 3,1908 (SAKA) [Trans/ation1 ing a proposal to extend the Bombay Labour Welfare Fund Act. 1953 (Bombay Steps to RehabUitate Destitute Children Act 40 of 1953) as in force in the State of 7443. PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI Maharashtra to the Union territory of Delhi by a notification under section the SHAKTAWAT: Will the Minister of 2 of Union Territories (Laws) Act. 1950. The Act WELFARE be pleased to state: when extended to the Union Territory of (a) whether Government have conducted Delhi wculd provide welfare measures to any survey in regard to the number of the workers employed in business/commer_ destitute children in the country and if so, cial/industrial establishments in the Union number of such children; and territory of Del~i. It aims at creation of fund from the contributions to be raised (b) the amount of expenditure to be from the employees/empJo)ers and the incurred on making these children literate Government. It also envisages setting up and on their rehabilitation during Seventh of a Welfare Board for supervising the Five Year Plan period? schemes envisaged under the Act. The funds will be utilised for defraying the costs THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of measures to be carried out to promote MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GIRI- welfare activities of the workers and their DHAR GOMANGO) : (a) No, Sir. dependents. (b) There is no separate literacy pro- gramme exclusively for destitute children. [English] For their care and protection, an outlay of Rs. 20 crores ;s provided in the Seventh PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE Plan. (Rajapur) : I want to raise a very important question of propriety. [English] MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Ramashray Legislation for 'Velfare of Employees of Pra~ad Singh. Business/Commercial/Industrial (lflterruptiolfs) Establishments MR. SPEAKER: I have allowed Mr. Ramashray Prasad Sin~h. How can Y<'U 7444. PROF. NARAJN CHAND bar him? Can you do it? Mr. Ramashray PARASHAR : Will the Minister of HOME Prasad Singh, \\ bat is your point of order? AFFAIRS be pleased to state: [Translation] (a) whether Government are contem .. pIa ting any legislation for tbe welfare of SHRI RA~fASHRAY PRASAD SINGH employees in the business/commercial/ (Jahanabad) : f..1r. Speaker, Sir. my point vf industrial establishments which employ less order is this that in my constituency ...... ••. than 10 persons in tbe Union Territory of (Interruptions) Delhi; MR. SPEAK ER : Js it in connection (b) if so, the nature of the legislation with YCllr notice of Adjourrment ~1ofj("'tn ? likely to be introduced, and when; and SHRT RA~~ASHRAY PRASAD SlNGH : Yes, Sir. (c) if not, the reasons therefor and the steps taken 'proposed hy Government for MR. SPEAKER: Please ~i\'e it in the ensuring tbe welfare of these employees? form of a CalJlrg Attention or ciscu~sion then] shall ascertain the facts and also giv; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE }'OU an opportuniry. (Interruption,) MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M1N1STRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SI-IRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (u) to PROF. ~1ADHU DANDAVATE: I (c). Tb( Government hS5 been contempt at .. have raistd a question of propriety. 211 "~,.ittcn An.HVt". I APRIL 23, 1986 [Trons/mion] have certain things against certain Members or a Minister, there is a certain rule and the MR. SPEAKER: Propriety differs facts which you are to state must be based from man to man. on certain documentary proof. We cannot (I"terruption,) just do like that. Professor, it might be against you, it might be against me tomorrow [English] in the Press. NOt I am not going to go by PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let that. If there is anything basically which us not be shunned dClwn like this. you can .••••• (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No qu:stion of shun. MR. SPEAKER: When I am on my PROF. t.1ADHU DANDAVATE: You leg~, how can you sa)? You are violating do not even ] islen to us. the rule. Don't do that. MR. SPEAKER: Why 1 (lntelruptions) PROF. ~1-\DHU DANDAVATE: We are here to ra!se matters of publ;c importance PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : We -the question of propriety and adjourn- have given you the Court proceedings. ment motion. You must listen to us. MR. SPEAKER: There is no Court MR. SPEt\KER : Listen to me. What proceedings. I am on my legs. is your point of crdcr ? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Wilt PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let you kmdly take your seat, so tbat I can me clarify that. Sir, in violation of the make a submission? Foreign Exchange Regulation Act...... f\1R. SPEAKER: I wilt do it jf you do it. MR. SPEAKER: One minute. Before You have cortain other rules under which you proc~ed on this subje~t which you are you can do it, so tbat I can get tbe informa- taking up, I would like to say that we must tIon and then put the subject before you. have a specified data and some f.lcts on which to place these things We get cer tain (Interruptions) things from the Press and we just come in tbe Pa r lia men t. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I bave a submission to make. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Government should tell us. MR. SPEAKER: No question of sub- (I.. ferr uptions) mission. MR. SPEAKER: Please listen to me PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, now. in the Court, it has been stated tbat the KirJoskar~ had taken a German Company SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: We do not of which * * is a director. want to reply on rhe Press. We want the Government to tell us tbe facts. MR. SPEAKER: Might be. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Kurup. when I PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : There am on my legs. you have to listen to me. are two failures.·· canDot continue to be So simple it is. This is tbe rule. You a director when actually certain illegal c:annot violate it. operations are takina place. The Directorate of Enforcement has not prosecuted tbe I have to lay a simple thina. If we Minister. That is another failure • . -_ ------. ...;,;.-...,;;'_...;;.---..:-~' _:;__.;.._----- • *Not recorded. 213 Written Answer'; VAISAkHA 3, 1908 (SdKA) Wr;lItm An ... wer. 114 MR. SPEAKER: If (he Directorat~ to ask the Central Government. .• does not proceed against him, if tbe Directo· rate does not prosecute him, I cannot pro· (Interruptions) '6ecute him. MR. SPEAKER; I have allowed Kumari Mamata Banerjee. You caunot gag Mem- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The bers. J have allowed her. Directorate of Enforcement bas not prose- cUled him. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, may 1 know whether you are ..• MR. SPEAKER: I do not know, tuke it (lnterruptiuns) to the Court. MR. SPEAKER: If you give me some- (lnterruptionl) thing and It' I find thele is a pTlme faCie thmg I will ask for information, get the MR. SPEAKER: Then. the Directorate facts and then (.~ome to you. (lnrerrupllOns) must be taken to task. I cannot do any- thing about it. I have allowed Kumari Mamat. (Interruptions) BJn-:rjee. How can I allow you? CCln you over-rule me. Sir? 1 have allowed her. If PROF. MADHU DANDAVAiE : There you bave given notice that does not give are two failures. There is impropnety by a you permission to do like thiS. Does it Minister.·* must resign. aHow ),ou? It IS my pcivjJege. MR. SPEAKER: No, not allowed. It KUMAkI MAMATA BANERJEE: Fifty thousand field workers of Peerle~s is upto him. I cannot fOlce him. In\estment Corroralion have come to Delhi to ask. tbe Stale Government ... PROF. MADHU DANDAYATE: Secondly, the Directorate of Enforcement [Tram J.::It i Oil) must prosecute him. They have not pro- lecuted him. MR. SPEAKER: You give notice for ( Interruption,) dlscussl0n or Calling Attention. 1 shall do tbe needful. MR. SPEAKER: I cannot. (Illterruptlons) [English] MR. SPEAKER: No name is to be KUMARl MAMATA BANERJEE: I recorded. have given notice. (Interruptions) (Interrupti (In!) [ Translal ion] [Tranli alio"] SHRI RAJ K.UMAR RAI (Ghosi) : Mr. MR. SPEAKER: Now why should you Speaker. Sir, 10 or 12 pelsons of D.D.A. sayan) tbing? I shall lislen to you. Worken' Association are on fast unto death. I bad invited your attention earlIer {EnglISh) also. But .•. (Interrupti ond KUMAR I MAMATA BANERJEE I (English] have already given the notice. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: MR. SPEAKER: Okay I will get it FIfty tbousand Peerless workers are in Delhi done. Let me get the facts. ••Not rec.orded. 21S Written Ans~rs APRIL 23, 19~6 Written III'fn,J"Wer, 216 SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : My point House has already supplied you with copies of order is Prof. Dandavate" after you of his letter to the Prime Minister. allowed him, has made some submissions. MR. SPEAKER : The propriety of the [TranJlarlon] Member belongs to tbe Member. It is upto him to keep that propriety. To the Minister it is there. MR. SPEAKER: I have already done tbat. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: No. No. (Engli~h) SHRI lNDRAJlT GUPTA : That is That is aheady fini~hed. not what happened in the case of * * Those were aJso questions of propriety. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: The sub- DANDAVATE missions made by Plof. Dandavate on the PROF. MADHU Kindly excuse me. If a Member commits issue relating to tbe ~linlster must go on a breach of propriety it is the duty of the record. Speaker to say you have committed the MR. SPEAKER: I cannot alluw any breach of propriety. It should not be left to the Minister. If the Minister does not names to go on record. observe tbe propriety it is the duty of the Speaker to teU him !lO. (Translation] SHR( INDRAJIT GUPTA: The proce- All otber things are there. dure which was followed by tbe bon. Prime Minister in the case of two other Ministers [Engli.·h] is it not to be applied in the case of any PROF. MADHU DANOAVATE: other Minister. De~ignation may go on rccord. Name need (]Ill errupl ions) Dot go OD record. [Tran~/atiolZ] SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Besirhat) : The matter we arc trying to raise is strictly MR. SPEAKER: Yes, Te.waryji, what a question of propriety. have you to say '/ MR. SPEAKER : Might be. [EngIiJh] [TranoSlation] PROF. K.K. TEWARY (Buxar): Mr. Speaker, it is a very serious matter. That is for him to see. MR. SPEAKER : You are always on a serious matter. {English1 PROF. K.K. TEWARY : The trouble I cannot force it. is that you consider only Mr. Dandavate important in tbe House and he wastes the [Translation} time unnecessarily. MR. SPEAKER: Why do you get Propriety may be on anybody·s part. entangled with him all the time 7 (Engli&h] [ Trandation] SaRI INDRAllT GUPTA : Mr. Professor Saheb, wbat are you doina Unnikrisbnan, a s~njor Member of this aU this? ··Not recorded. VAISAKHA 3, 190fs (SAKA) Wrllten Answer. 21S [English] MR. SPEAKER: You give me some- thing. I will find out the facts. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I dp not take his criticism seriously. Let it SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Sirt I go on record. Let irrelevant things go on have given an adjournment motion. You record because his record will be safe. have not admitted it. It is a very very serious and urgent issue. After the judge- PROF. K,K. TEWARY : What I want ment of the Calcutta High Court, the fate to raise is the recommendation of the of 4000 field staff of the Peerless Company .• , Bacbhawat Committee award on the interim relief of journalists and non-journalists. It [ Trans/arion] is scandalous. MR. SPEAKER: I have already told [Tran.s/atlon] you. \\/h~t is this again? MR. SPEAKER : I bad told you that [E.'1glish] discussion on this subject took place day before yesterday. You give me something. (Inter ruprions) [English) SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Govern- PROF. K.K. TEWAR Y : This should ment shcu!d come out \\ith a statement. be rejected by tbe Government. [Transia!iol,1 MR. SPEAKER: We had day before yes- terday full day debate for this very purpose. MR. SPEAKER I had already said The Demands of the Ministry of Informa- tbat 1 would do that. tion and Broadcasting were discussed on the Floor of the House. You could hav~ taken [English] it up then. We will get it done. SHRI INDRAHT G UPT A : Kindly tell (Interrup:ion.s) us bow do you want us to proceed in this matter regardmg the Minister '1 DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOJ : Sir, hone Dronacharjis Prof. Madhu Dandavate ••• [Translation] MR. SPEAKER: Is it a point of order MR. SPEAKER : You have got rules for Prof. ~Iadhu Dandavate 'I on tbis subject. There is the Rule 353. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : Now. There are other rules also. he bas raised the question about ** But first he should ask * * to resign. {English] [Tran~lalioll] SHRI SURESH KURUP : Sir, tbe evidence regarding the Minister of State SHRI V. TULSIRAM : Mr. Speaker, for Railways was given in the Poona court Sir, there is a Temple of Rangji in Pusbkat by an official of the Enforcement Directo- near Ajmer. The president bad not visited rate. this Temple, because Harijans are not allowed to enter tbis Temple. Even now- MR. SPEAKER : That is already a-days such incident are taking place. replied. It is irrelevant. DR. V. VENKATESH Sir, deaths MR. SPEAKER : Please see me in my due to vaccination have been increasing in chamber. It will be useful for you also. the country. You come to me. (Interruption.) * *Not recorded. 219 Pope" Laid A pkll.. 23, 1986 Papers Laid 2io MR. SPEAKER : Please give it in H.K.L. BHAGAT) ] beg to Jay on tbe writing. Otherwise by speaking in this Table a cory of tbe Swadeshi Cotton Mills manner no useful purpose would be served. Company Limited (Acquisition and Trans- fer of Undertakings) Ordinance. 1986 (NO. SHRI V. TULSIRAM : I have given in S of J 986) (Hindi and English versions) writing. promulgated by the President on the 19th April, 1986, under article 123 (2) (a) of the MR. SPEAKER : All right. Constitution. [Placed in Library. See No. SHRI V. 1 U LS}RAM : I lay this paper L T -2539 /86] tbe Hou~e. on tbe Table ot Handlooms (Rcser~ation of Articles for Production) Rules, 1986 MR. SPEAKER : You cannOl lay it like tbls. THE tvUNISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTR Y OF TEXTILES (SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): I beg to l&glishJ lay on the Table a copy of the HandJooms (Reservation of Articles for Production) MR. SPEAKER : You unnece~~aIlly Rules. 1986 (Hindi and English versions) misuse it. publlsht"d in Notification No. G.S.R. 506 (E) in Gazette of India dated the 17th (lnlerruptiOlls) March, 1986 under sub-sect ion (2) of section 19 of the Handlooms (Reservation of Articles for Production) Act. 1985. (Placed in Library. See No. LT-2540/8o] 12.12 bu. PAPERS LAiD ON THE TABu:. Detailed Demands for Grants of tbe Departments of Posts and LEngli~hj TeJecommuoicatjoDs Detailed Demands for Grants of tbe 1\1iniSlry THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of Programme lwplemeutatiun MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIO~S THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI IMPLEMENTATION lSHRl A.B.A. RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): 1 beg to lay GHANI KHAN CHOUDHURY): 1 beg to lay on tbe Table a copy at tbe Detailed on the Table: Demands for Grants (Hindi and Engh~n (1) A copy of the Detailed Demands versions) of tbe MIDlstry of Programme for Grants (Hindi and E.nglisb )mplementalion for 1986-87. lPtaced in versions) of the Department of Library. See No. LT ~2537 /361 Posts for 1986-87. [Placed iu Detailed Demaods for Graots of the Library. See No. L T -2541/86] Ministry of Urban Development (2) A copy of the detailed for Grants (Hindi and Englisb versions) for THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVE- the expenditure of the Central LOPMENT (SHRl ABDUL GHAFOOR) : Government OD Department of I beg to lay on tbe Table a copy of the Telecommunications for 1986-87. Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and [Placed io Library. See No. LT- English versions) of the Ministry of 2542/861 Urban Development for 1986-87. [Placed to Library. See No. LT -2538/~6J Detailed Demand. for Grants of the Ministry of Labour S"ade.bi Colton Mill. Compaal Limited Ministry of Labour for 1986-87. versions) issued under the Central [Placed In Library. See No. LT-2543/86] Excise Rules, 1944: Annual Report. R('view on tbt" working (i) G.S R. 612 (E) published of the Repatriates Coop(>rative Finance in Gazette of India dated and D('velopment Bank Limited, the 8tb April, 1986 togetber Madras for ",e year J984-85 with an explanatory memo- randum making certain THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE amendment to Notification DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECURI- No. J 98/86-CE dated 1he TY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): I beg to lay 14th March, 1986 so as to on the Table: allow credit of tbe duties (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report paid on polyvinyl c10ride (Hindi and English versions) of resins used in manufacture tbe Repatriates Cooperative Finance of PVC compounds if used and Development Bank Limited. in the manufacture of electric Madras, for the year 1984-85 wires and cables to all units along with Audited Accounts. in the MODV AT scheme manufacturing eleclric wires (ii) A copy of the Review (H ind i and cables. and English versions) by the Government on the working of (ii) G .S.R. 617 (E) published the Repatriates Cooperative in Gazette of India dated Finance and Development Bank the 11 th April. 1986 together Limited. Madras, for the year with an explanatory memo- ] 984-85. randum regarding exemption to tea waste from the whole (2) A statement (Hindi and English of tbe duty of exci~e leviable versions) showing reasons for thereon. deJay in Ja) ing the papers men- tioned at (1) above. (iii) G.S R. 618 (E) publisbed in fPlaced in Library. See No. LT- Gazette of India dated tbe 25t4 86J 11 th April. 1986 together witb an explanatory memorandum Notification under Customs Act and regarding exemption to snuff Central Excise Rules from tbe whole of the 1iuty THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of excise !eviable thereon. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JANAROHANA POOJARY) : I beg to Jay (iv) G.S R. 619 (E) publisbed in on the Table: Gazette of India dated the 11th April, 1986 togetber (1) A copy of Notification No. G.S.R. with ao explanatory memo- 607 (E) (Hindi and Englit.b ver- randum regarding exemption sions) published in Gazette of India to natural rubber latex from dated the 7lh April, 1986 together the whole of the duty of with an explanatory memo- excise leviable thereon. randum making certain amend- ment to Notification No. 57/85- (v) G.S.R. 620 (E) published in Customs dated the 17tf:t f\1ar..:h. Gazette of India dated the 1985 so 8S to modify the 11 th April, 1986 together witb description or three of the ao explanatory memorandum items mentioned therein, under Dlaking certain amendment section 159 of the Customs Act, to Notification No. 109/75- 1962. (Placed in Library. See No. LT-~S4S/86] CE dated tbe 30tb April, 1975 so as to indicate tbe (2) A copy each of the following classification of fabrics of Notifications (Hindi and Enalisb narrow width. 223 Poper. Laid APRIL 23, 1986 Estimate Committee 224 (vi) G.S.R. 621 (E) published in 189!83-CE dated the 8th Gazette of India dated the July, 1983 and 183/84-CE 11 tb April, 1986 together wilh dated the J st August, 1984. an explanatory memorandum rPl8('ed in Library. See No. making certain amendment to L T -2546,186] Notification Nos. 171/70- CE dated the 21st November, Detailed Demands for Granfs of the 1970, 208/83-CE dated the Ministry of Industry I st August, 1983. 45/86-CE. 61/86-CE and 64/86-CE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dated the 10th February. DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL 1986 so as to restore the DEVELOPMENT (SHRT M. ARUNA- position prevailing prior to CHALAM): I beg to lay on the Table the introduction of the new a copy of the Detailed Demands for Grants Central Excise Tariff. (Hindi and English versions) of the Ministry of IndlJ!\try for 1986-87. (vii) G.S.R. 571 (E) to 576 (E) [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2547/86] published in Gazette' of India dated the 2nd April, Detailed Demands for Gran''S of the 1986 together with an ex- Ministry of Transport planatory memorandum issued in the context of THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE changes in tbe excise- DEPARTMENT OF SURFACE TRANS- duty exemption scheme PORT (SARI RAJESH PILOT): I beg for small sca1e units and ex- to lay on the Tahle a copy of the Detailed emption for captive consump- Demand for Grants (Hindi and English tion in the case of excisable versions) of the Ministry of TranspOrt commodities aod other (exdudin~ Railwavs) for lQ86-87. changes. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2548 '86} (viii) G.S.R. 581 (E) to 602 (E) Detal1ed Demands for Grants or tbe published in Gazette of Ministry of Environment and India dated the 3rd April, Forests 1986 together with an ex- planatory memorandum THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE issued in the context of MTNISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND certain modifications of tl"te FORESTS (SHR ( Z R. ANSARI) = I beg bodget proposa1s announced to lay on the Table a copy ('If the Detailed by the Finance Minister in Deman.:is for Grants (Hindi and Eng1ish tbe Lok Sabba on the 31d versions) of the Minic::trv of Environment April, 1986. and Fore~ts for 1986-87. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-~549/86] (ix) O.S.R. 604 (E) publbhed in Gazette of India dated the 4th April, 1986 together with 12.13 hrs an explanatory memorand urn rescinding Notification No. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE l05/86-CE dated the 27th February, 1986. (x) G .S.R. 606 (E) published in Twenty-nfnth Report Gazette of lodia dated the and 7th April. 1986 together with Minutes an explanatory memorandum making certain amendment SHRT CHINTAMANJ PANIGRAHl to Notification Nos. 11/68.CE (Rhubane!war) : I bf"C7 to present the dated tbe 1.t April. 1968; Twenty.ninth Repon (Hindi and BUIUsh 225 .alt~r, 0"., ~ 317 V AISAltRA 3. 1908 (SAKA) Matt~'1 Under Rulll 37'1 226 versions) or tbe Estimates Committee OD press, there is no train for D~]hi for the the Ministry of Finance, Department of passengers of intermediary stations. . Economic Affairs (BaJ;lking Division)- 'State Bank of India-Social Banking and 12.16 brl. Minutes of" the sittings of tbe Committee relating tbereto. [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER In the chair 1 I would, therefore, request the bon. Rail- way Minister to pay attention towards it 12.14 hr•• without deJay and make anangements (or introducing a new train or make some aJter- JOINT COMMITTEB ON OPFICES OF native arrangement for the railway passengers RROFIT so tbat tbeir difficulties and the resentment among tbem could be removed. [Etwll&h] (ii) Need to allow MI. SiDghal Soper Phoa- Second Report phate to set up a Unit iD Khanpur Shah Salempur village of Faizabad district of KUMARI KAMLA KUMARl U.P. (Palamao): I beg to present tbe Second Report (Hindi and English versions) of tbe SHRI R.P. SUMAN (Akbarpur) : At pre- Joint Committee on Offices of Profit. sent tbe development of a I'f!gion is not possi- ble without promoting industries. Besides tbe Central and State projects, tbe expansion of smal1 and cottage industries is very essential. In additicn to this, tbe Kbadi and Village 11.15 bra. industries should also be given incentives, so that tbe educated unemployed youth could get employment. MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 In tbis context, I would like to submit [Trandation] tbat a prominent industriaHst of Faizabtad district in U.P. Singhal wants to set up Super Phosphate Unit in the private sector. (I) Need to introduce a traia bet wee D Deihl In tbis connection correspondence is going and Ka.pur keepiDI In vie" the ditBcul- on for quite a long time. The tben Minister tiel faced by tbe palsenger. of Chemicals and Fertilizers bad intimated me in reply to my letter tha t decision had SHRI JAODISH AWASTHI (Bithaur) : been taken to encourage sucb persons and Thousands of passengers travellinl between that decision would be taken on tbis matter Delhi and Kanpur dail, are facing great after looking into it. If the Government iDCODvenieDCO due to tbe discontinuance of adopt liberal policy in tbe matter of granting 8S UP and 86 DN Assam Mail train w.e.f. licences to tbe local entrepreneurs, a Dumber 1st April, 1986, as no otber alternative train of industries can come up in the rural areas is available for them. It bas resulted in and this can help in removing unemployment great resentment amool them. 921 UP and along with tbe development of that region. 922 DN Nortb Bast Express super fut train Industries can be set up in Kbal1pur Shah bas been introduced in place of Assam Mail, Salampur, wbich is a little distance away bot tbere is a restriction of 400 kms. for from Akbarpur and is near Kurki bazar, journey on tbis train. Besides tbis. there is where sufficient land is a]so available. I,l restriction in case of Noelachat Express. therefore, strongly urge the Government to Kalka Mail trains allo. It bas resulted in kindly allow Singbal Super Phospbate Unit o~DI in tbe 7 UP Toofan Mail which 10 be set up there in the private sector iD nma '111l Apa. Similarly. after 12 DN Ex- viJJage Khanpur Shah SaJampur wbicb is pr.a train paaaloa tbro\llh Kaopur in tbe situated near Akbarpur in Faizabad distIict morDiDi thoro is DO train for M\l&bal Sarai of Uttar Pradesb so tbat tlie area could till tIIe.vtDIDa u4 .rt'~ '7 UP loof", }b, mako mold n'nlJ~ APRIL 13. 1_ 10 the eKc&vation operations carried out ia recent years by the ArcbaeolO1ical Survey of (Iii) Need to adopt protectlye measures to India, some remains of palace have been safeguard the Interest. of farm "Grken found iD Piparhawa villale insida the Indian In capacitated In thresher accideDts territory wbich COllfirms the fact that tlao capital Kapilvastu of king Shudbodhan, tbe SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL (Phul- Catber of Lord Buddha was situated in bw) : Sir t every year more than 300 farm Piparhawa itself. In view of the impor lance workers arc incapacitated during the whet har- of tbat place, discussions on the blueprint vesting season in Punjab. A majority of tbese to develop that area have been held from accidents occur while working on what tbre- time to time with tbe Government, but the sbera. Last year alone nearly 1000 farm Government have not taken any step to workers in Punjab. Haryana and western implement the scheme to develop this area UP lost their limbs in thresher accidents. of intern.tionad importance. Most of the victims were migratory workers to the wheat belt. It bas been estimated I would. therefore, request tbe hon. that upto now more than 10000 farm Minister of Tourism that tourist bungalows workers from Bibar. UP and Orissa I)ave and an airport should be constructed there been maimed while working on wheat tbre- to develop the area of bistorical importance shers. But tbe farm workers faUing victims as a tourist centre. Immediate steps should ar.e not getting adequate belp, compensation also be taken to construct a museum Cor and rebabilitation facilities despite tbe exis- preserving rare and authentic objects found tence of many Acts in those States. Unless in the excavations. some suitable measures to protect their interests are taken, the migrant workers will (v) Need to I .... e early clearance to the continue to suffer. Therefore, it is neces· propos. I lor the setting up or. sary to adopt some protective measures by Cement plaDt at Jeypur In Orl••• tbe Central Government to safegard tbe ·SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS interest of these farm workers. The Govern- (Jajpur) : Tbe Orissa Industrial Develop- ment of India should direct tbe concerne:i ment Corporation bas a proposal to set up State Governments to insure tbe entire a cement plant at Jeypur in the State of m.icratory labour force working in these Orissa. All tbe inlrastructural facilities to States. Suitable compensation should be establish a cement plant are available at the paid to the victims of thresben accidenb. proposed site. A railway siding is there near Tbe selling of sub-standard threshers should the proposed location. But it is regrettable be totally probibited. At the same time. tbat tbe Railwa, authorities have not yet I request tbe Central Government to devise given clearance to set up the cement plant at methods to prevent tbe fanners from using that place. It is unfortunate that the pro- tbcesbers in an unsafe mode. Since tbis poeal is still pendioa witb the railway iJSUe the question of life and death concerns authorities. of several thousand workers enpaed in tbe farms in tbe country. I demand immediate The proposed oement plant is loinl 10 action by tbe Government of India to pro- be let up in a backward district, Koraput in tect these worken. Orissa. It is mostly inhabited by tribals. Therefore, it willao a lona way in provid- (T,tUI.Jlatlon} ing employment to the local educated )"outbs if the cement plant is established at that (h') Need to MYel ... plparla.wa Ylliale ... place. But the cement plant cannot be toarlal eeatre .- established at that place without tbe clearance of the Ministry of Railways as the DR.,CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI proposed lite is located near the railwa7 (Khalilabad): The place ·Lumbini' ia statiOD. Nepal borcieriol Iadia has been reprded lnl DOW the birth place of Lord Budd.... apoatJe A. 1UCb, I requeat tbe boo. MiDistel' of of peace and humanity in tbe whole world. Railwa,. to minatel, review die propoeal D.O. (G.,.) 1986-81 23{J and give early clearaace to _ up a cement tho industry, ineluclilll doctors, employees, plant at the proposed lito at Jeypar iD worken aDd suppliers. It is essential that t_ Orissa. Government of India should assure J'C&1llar and adequate supply of alcohol for the [Engll,h] Homoeopathic industry. Otherwise, a larae Dumber of establishments wiU be forced to (yl) Need to treat rneege viliele al close down rendering jobless not ooly • 'deBoed .rea' inltea4 of Teluk/BJock large Dumber of workers, employees, for crop insurence end to IacllHh doctors, etc. but would also seriously cottOD, tobac~o, 5u.areaae aad bamper treatment by Homoeopathic Doctors. chillies allo in tile crop lalurance HaboemanD Laboratory EmpJoyees' aod Icbeme Workers' Union and Economic Homoeo Pharmacy Employees' Union have already SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA sent telegrams to the Minister for Petroleum RAO (Vijayawada) : Tbe comprehensive and I request tbe Hon. Minist.!r to take crop insurance scbeme introduced from immediate action for supply of alcohol Kbarif 1985 io several States could not vitally necessary for preparation of Hcmoeo- really come to tbe rescue of tbe farmers who pathic medicines. lost their crops. The scheme envisaps "Define Area" iD each State in whicb the ( T,.anslatlon] scheme operates. District, Taluk/Tehsil, Block or other small contiguous areal will (viii) Need to issue a commemorative be indicated by the Union Ministry of stamp in memory of Shri Ram Aariculture in conlultation with the State Prasad Bismil Government concerned. This "Defined Area" is responsible for tbe farmers not getting SHRI KAMMODILAL JATAV insurance. When the damage is confined to (Morena) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sbri some lands in a village or entire lands in a Ram Prasad BismiJ, who was a freedom vilJaae when tbe averaae yield in the Defined fighter, belonged to t.4orena district. His Area is not affected much, tbe aft'ected father was in the Police Service at Shah- farmers in the affected village cannot get tbe jabanpur, Uttar Pradesh. Shri Ram Prasad inlurance. So if the intention of tbe Govern- Bismil (ought bravely against tbe British ment is really to belp tbe affected farmers. it rule. He was clrrcsted in tbe Kakori case should treat revenue village as Defined Area and, tbereafter, he was hanged. Tbe Govern- instead of Taluk/Block. Present scheme ment of India have nor so far honoured covers rice, wheat. mUlet crops, oilsceds, such a great freedom figbter. The Govern- and pulse crops only. The scheme sbould ment should issue a commemorative stamp cover cotton. tobacco, sugar cane, chillies, in tbe memory of this great freedom fighter. etc , crops alao. (vii) Need to supply Alcoho) (Re~tlftecl Spirit) to West BeDlaI for manufacture of Homoeopa.. ic U.lSbn. mediciaes DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (GENERAL) SHill SOMNATH CHATIERJEE 1986-87-Contd. (BolpW'): Manufacture of Homoeopathic medici no in West Beopl is facina serious (I) MIDiltr!, of InformatieD aad crisis due to irreaular .. wen as non-supply Broad Mlstiol-COlltd. of al~bol (Rcetified' spirit) for the last few years. Manufacture of Homoeopathic mocli- [&gll.\'II] cine is solely dependent OD availability of Alcobol. Weal Bcopl is a pioooor in the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Now we field of Homoeopatbic treatment and indus- shan take up item number is-further try and employs a larae Bomber of workers discussion and voting on the Demands for aod cmplO)!ee5, in tbe ditrorent uadutak iolS GraDts under the control of the Ministry of aDd establilbmeota. More thaD ono lath Information and Bloadeastina. HOD. ~P. ~ 4_tJ,.• d iDdirect1y eoaaacd in Miniater. you can start DOW. 231 D.G. (G~n.) 1986-87 APRIL 23. 1986 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE on this side or tbat sido. I would also like MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND to say tbat, I like criticisms not only from BROADCASTING (SHRI V.N. GADGIL) : Parliament, but from the Press and tbe Sir, as I was saying day before yesterday. I people. I regard tbe Press as important but am grateful to the House for itl) critical perhaps more important are my colleagues appreciation of the working of my Ministry. here because )OU represent the people. You Sir, when I was listenillg to tbe debate, I know the pulse of tbe people and I would felt like a student whose annual report is be guided very much by peop)es9 reaction to being examined. various activities of my Ministry which you bave conveyed to me. That is why, I have MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER He is a made a small attempt. I have sent a master now. questionnaire to all of you, soliciting your views, your suggestions, where we are going SHRI V.N. GADGIL : Headmaster. wrong, in what way we can improve it and I am confident that you will respond. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: After learn- ing, as a student, he can become a master. I propose to send a similar question- naire to all the peoples' representatives; SHRI V.N. GADGIL: To change tbe MLAs and MLCs in the couDtry, 80 that metaphor Sir, I wo.Jld lIke to present the we will get a feed-back from all over tbe Balance Sheet to the people of India who country. are the shareholders in tbis and with this House as the Auditor. It is said tbat good Now before, I present my Balance Sheet, Auditor is not a blood-hound but a watch- 1 would like tbe House to appreciate the dog and the level of the debate showed that, limitations within which I function, the in my humble view. the House has constraints within which I operate and the performed very efficiently the function of tbe various problems that I have to face. watch dog. I am very grateful to the various Finance is not so much a problem, now. suggestions and in the time allotted to me. I am grateful to the Prime Minister for it win not be possIble to reply to each and the interest he takes in this Ministry and every point because about 28 Members this is perhaps the only Ministry which bas spoke, if you take five points on an average, got its Budget doubled. Annual allocation it makes about 140 points and it will be doubled largely because of tbe Prime impossible to reply to each and every point. Minister and also tbe efforts of some of my So. with tbe indulgence of the House, I will colleague!. 1 would first present the plus confine myself to the general points raised side. I am conscious of the sbortcominas by various Members which I myself will point out. I would like SHRI SOMNATH CHA1TERJEE: first to point out the acbievements and let Reply to Doordarshan. me start with All India Radio because I take the view that T.V. bas alamour, but Radio SHRI V.N. GADGIL: That is pre- is more effective. It reacboa the remotest cisely tbe first point I want to make. In tbe parts, now 91 % of tbe population. It is popular mind today. this Ministry is nothing more accessible. I t is more afJordable. but Doordarshan. In fact at some fuoctions, Today, you see tbe worker in a factory I am addressed as Doordarshan Mantri. listening to music wbile he works-OD a There is Publication Division, Song and transistor; a scbool or coD. student listen- Drama Division, A.I.R., Field Publicity and ing to cricket score with his transistor; and various other Divisions which in my view what is a more pleasant si,bt, a peasant are doing good, work which I shall present- ploughing tbe field. with a transistor OD bl. ly point out. But the situation is such that, shoulder. today. everybody thinks only of Doordar- shan, a very little of anytbiDg else. Before, SHRI INDRAlIT GUPTA Listeniul I present tbe Balance Sheet, I would lite to to the forecast. state at the outset tbat I welcome aJJ criticism, well, I also have to learn. And SHill V. N. OADOIL : For many may be that many things are not taught. I thinss-also for enjoyment, Weather fore- will learn from my colleagues here whether cut, 701. but aJao for eaJoJmeDt. I woakt ~33 D.O. (Gen.) i986-87 VAISAl{HA 3, i908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) i986-8? i44 claim tbat tbis is the Ministry wbich reaches Theo, in the news bulletin now you all strata of society, all corners of India, must have noticed that we have introduced wherever you go, whicbever part you go. voice cast. ] t is not enough to say that so- Whether prince or pauper, politician, jour- and-so said such-and-such a thing. People nalist, scbool teacher, doctor, or lawyer, would like to hear in person what he bas everybody knows or has heard of three said. That has been introduced. things ..• Again, you will pardon a persona) note: SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: as the 50n of a freedom fighier, 1 am proud Gadgil is omnipresent. that I have introduced oral history of fleedom movement on AIR. I have written to all the Chief Ministers saying that tbey SHRI V.N. GADGIL: No; I am talk- should indicate 10 to 15 people from each ing AIR. Everybody heard of three of has district: their memoirs, their feelings will be things: nam Indira Ji ka; Awauz Lata ki, recorded by AIR; they will be preserved in aur Samachar Akashvani ke. Wherever you art,,;hives, ~o that 100 years later if anybody go, these three things they have heard. Radio wants to write a history, just &s he would bas reached the remotest part of India. rely on d\..)cuments, b~ will rely on the oral Tberefore, I would say that we should not history. That project is going on: and a look at radio as some kind of a CindereIJa number of peopJe·s memoirs, feelings etc. with the arrival of TV; and due importance wili be recorded. must be given to AIR in the educational and development activities of this country. Another thing I introduced, both 00 TV and Radio is: }OU have the cricket match, I will not mention the hardware side of hockey match. foot hall match; their live it. It is all mentioned in tbe Report: bow telecasts. commentaries and so on. For the many new transmitters, how many new radio first time, live telecast of Indian games was stations and a that. But I would like to introduced, and live commentary was mention about what we are trying to do on introJuced for Kho Kho, kabaddi and tbe software side, on radio. The first tbing wrestling. introduced last year, of which I am proud, is the hourly bulletin. Now every hour on And I think the Indian Olympic Asso- radio. there is a bulletin, Hindi alld Eoglish, ciaLion has taken note of it. Then we from 6 o'clock in the morning tin 12 o'clock introduced a series caned March Towards in tbe night, every hour. The second thing 2 ht Century, and various discussions, Pro- J would like to claim as an achievement is grammes on various aspects of population. this: when the Punjab elections took place, education develcpment~ have been continuo- it was pointed out to us by the Election usly arranged. From all centres, we are Commission that with the situation prevail- organising 93 programmes of community ing there, it may be difficult for political singing. We are told that jfj foreign COUD- parties to bold large public meetings and tries thousands of children come together asking whether AIR can be used. The and sing with one voice. Now, it is Dot normal procedure, as you know, was to possible in India to have that kind of machi- aUot, from one particular statioo, a certaio nery. So we thought it can be done by number of minutes to each political party. radio which will reach school children. From They asked us whether it can be done an centres. it is being done. To 65 countries district-wise or tchsil-wise, so that every we send now various orchestra compositions CAndidate, every political party will be abJe conne\.'ted wtth Republic Da,Y and Indepen- to reach tbe people. I am proud to mention dence Day and they are played in 6S that we arranged everything, 100% to the countries. satisfaction of the Election Commission. so that tbo propap.nda of atl politica' parties, Another important thing to be proud their point of view, their policy" their about is that we are tbe only organisatioa ideololY and all the rest of it could reach which has rare archival material. Fiaz the maximum number of people in the Khan. a great singer-like this, I can read dimeolt situation of Punjab. This was tbe out the list, but. we do Dot have the time- ac:bfovemeot of AIR. the finest singer Abdul Karim Khan; thole 235 b.G. (Gen.) 198'-81 APRiL 23 1986 (Sbri V.N. Gadgill elections and the ball over-flowed. Re- are archives available, and we have now cently. when h' addressed a meeting he found taken a decision that we '" III retain the when be erl[lll."d the h ..,L11 there was only master copy and allow people to have copies Chairman ·of tne Local Party, tbe local made so that more number of people ran agent and three ladies present, He asked enjoy that music which is not aval1able. them, who are tbese three ladies. On The great speech that Pandit Jawaharlal enquiry, it was found tbat they have come Nehru made at the stroke of mid night hour on the wrong ddJ; they have come for the -When the Whole JVor/d ~/eep$ India bndge puty and the day was different. Awakes tc- Freedom; (i) Tryst with De.,rinv- They thought it w~.c: a day for the party. So, we have the master copy and we will make bardly anyone com,,;:, to public meetir.gs. copies avaihble to t"e people. Then there About the bad side of TV, I am cons- is Mahatma Gandhi's speech before assassi- cious It is said tha t It molY kill the art of nation. We are the oniy organisation whioh conver~ation; it may affect (he habit of bas tbe master cupy. So, these are achives reading; it may destroy social intercourse. available. There arc about 2,800 archives Indeed a recent book has come, the title of which ale preserved, taped, and we propose which is 'Amusing ourselves to death'. I gradua1Jy to reJea3c them, whosoever wants know the dangers, not merely consumerism. commercially or otherwise. But even greater danger than this. There Then we introduced computer in the was a seminar in England in which 'Various AIR Organisation, frequency arrangements. polttical parties partiCipated and one of the tapes, archives and various other thinszs. I best contributions was made by Sharley am also proud to say that in the Ac;ia \Vllliam, who was a Minister in the Labour Pasific Broadcasting Union, AIR Entry Government. She has mentioned three bad tbings of TV-TV has personalised politics; called "Ftve days marriage of those bygone issues become unimportant; ideologies be- days", one special certificate 10 tbe compe- come less important; policy nobody botbers; tition organised ... everything is rresentation. So TV has personalised pollucs. Secondly, it has led PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE to politics of confrontation, because nobody (Rajapur): I would just suggest that you wants a speech being delivered by a po liti- have a speech, memorable speech of Jaya- ciano They want some kind of an enter- prakash Narayan before declaration of the tainment-t\\-o politicians fighting. And emergency, irrespective of party considera- tbe description giVen is-what tbe people tion. do not like is two old politicians with false SHRI V.N. GADGIL : As I said at the teeth uttering or babbling. They want some outset, I am willing to consider and sugges- fight. So some kind of confrontation tbey want. No discussion of ideologies or tion made by the bon. House. Now we have External Services which broadcast policies, etc. The third bad thing she bas mentioned is tbat TV interview bas become every day 57 hours in 25 languages reaching 54 countries. Later on, I will read out to very peculiar. What sbe calls accusatorv you the reaction of the people; it will tell interview." So you are to be like an accus: ed in tbe box. Unless a politician is treated you how people ..tbroad r~ceive it. as an accused and asked questions and With regard to Doordarshan, I realise made to answer, then it is said that TV is that it bas made a tremendous impact. One ineffective; TV is not professional. So, I of my friends yesterday made a mention realise these danpers. wbat TV can lead to. bow it has affected almost every aspect of But the reality is tbat people want TV-not life, politics included. I do not have tbe only Members of Parliament but people time; otherwise. I will read out from tbe want it. When I was the Minister of publications of BBe where various politi- Communications I went to a village in north. cians were interviewed; and ooe of the sad Tbere was a meetioa of kisans. After tbe tbinas tbey have noticed is about T. V .A. meeting was over, like a aood Minister I member of tbe Labour Party. We becomes asked ahem what would you Jike me to do little nostalgic and says, there were days for your vilJage. I thought tbat they would when we addressed public meetin8S durina demand a post office and I would immedia- 2J7 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 238 tel, announce its sanction. There would be per cent of the transmission time for applause and in glory I would walk back to advertisements but I bave frozen it at five Delhi. But nothing of that kind happened. per cent and it wi11 not be increased. One old man of about 70 years, a kasan, Secondly, the sponsored progr 3mmes are stood up_ I am pretty confident that he only eleven per cent of the total pro- was IJliterate. grammes. Again that percentage I bave frozen and it will not be increased. Thirdly, [Translation] before the hon. Members criticise, let me, in all humility, say ~hat I m}self realise that I asked as to what that gentleman want- some of the programmes are urban-oriented, ed. He replied that tbey wanted TV in some of them are not very good. Therefore, their village. I told tbat this was not under the whole concept of ~ponsored programmes my Department. This Department was requires to be revkv. i-d and I propose to under Shri Bhagat. On this he stated that review it very soon. At this stage J cannot he merely formulated the programmes and spell out what alternative form or what that lines were given by me. modification we will n~ake but I can say at this stage tbat the whole concept of [Eng/Ish] sporsored programmes, as it stands today, requires to be reviewed so that the bad This hunger for development and tbis things tbat have crept in or are supposed hunger for TV is welcome. But we must to have been crept in can be removed. be conscious of the bad effect it can have. And I fully realise. as pointed out by many Hon. Members will not take it in please of my friends about consumerism and the if I say that some of the bon. Members rest of it. based their criticism perbaps on what appears on T.V. from 6 O'clock onwards. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbub- T. V. does not start at 6 O'clock, T.V. nagar) : W;! are victims of the bad effects starts much earlier. There is a school T.V., namely, the politics of projection that educational T.V. which provides two to Doordarshan pursues consistently. five programmes per week from Delhi, Bombay, Madras and Srinagar, roughly SHRI V.N. GADGIL : I will reply to ranging from 80 minutes to 8 hours 40 minutes this later on. I win point out briefly the per week. Then, through INSAT also 45 achievements of TV during this year. We minute; programn;e CVer}d8Y is sho\\'n in tbe have introduced teletext for the first time in fonowing languages: India in Delhi. We expect to introduce it in other metropolitan cities later on. We Telugu -~1orning 9 a.m. to 9.45 a.m. have introduced second channel in Delbi. The philosopby of if is reflected in the Joshi Hindi -Thereafter, \\-hich is relayed Committee report. And we propose to to U.P., Bihar, Madhya introduce second channel in Calcutta and Pradesh» Rajastbao 6 Haryana Madras later on. I will Dot mention about and Himachal Pradesh. various hardware part of it. It is all mentioned in the report-bow many HPTs Oriya -10.30 a.m. to 11.15 a.m. aod how many LPTs. Marathi -11.15 a.m. to 12.00 noon Various Members have asked me about their constituencies. If they come to me, Gujarati -12.00 noon to 12.45 p.m. I will show tbem the whole chart where what will be done. I do not think I sbould This is because tbe INSAT programmes trouble you with all that. I should go to arc launched by the Space Departmeat more basic criticism about the quality of wbich is utilised for tbis pur~e and educa.. tbe proarammc. It is said that we are not tiona) programmes are provided. In addition. doiD8 enougb for educational development there is a UGC programmes which is telecast and tbat tbey are all comercialised. all spon- by Doordarsban in tbe Nations I Network sored. I waDt to remove that misconception. via INSAT 1.. B on all co))qe workina ~ays Tbe policy of tbe GovCfDmcnt allows ~n between 12.45 p.m. to 1.45 p~l1l. and 'M 219 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 APRIL 23, 1986 D.O. (Ge1l.) 1986-87 240 (Sbri V.N. Gadgill If you ask my opinion. I will lay this. I am not an expert. But tbat was ODe of programme is again repeated from 4.00 p.m. the finest presentations I have seen in Door to 5.00 p.m. So, this much educational Darshan in the recent years. exposure is g.iven on TV, on Doordarshan from various places. "Katha Sagar" again is based on vario s stories of eminent writers. Now I come to the sponsored pro- grammes. I would request the bon. "Rishte Naate U is against superstition Members to pick out what is technically in rural areas. Then you had "'Ek Xahanr'- called 5fixed-point chart- of any week and based on best stories which have rural see for yourself whether there is too much ba~kground. entertainment. I have just picked up one- last week's. Sunday morning is shown Tben,UDa,.pan" is there. Most of c 6 Ek.Do.Teen·Chaar". This is a children these stories have rural background. There serial, ··Panl. hun Se Panjon Tak". are M uDsni Prem Chand's stories. There This is a serial based on compassion towards are Rabindranath Tagore's stories. There aoimals-nothing urban n,)thing consu- are Sarat Chandra's stories. So~ with all merism. About Rajni you know. Lena-Dena these, how can it be said tbat it is too mucb is a social serial witb a message of urban or too mucb bigh-class. I do accept communal harmony, integrati~n. particularly about Kbaodan or our broadcasts from New Jinguistic harmony. ·'Chholl Badl Baaten" York Philbarmonic Orcbestra or Soviet a social serial exposing superstition . .l Then, Ajub~y" is a serial whic!. is based SHRI V.N. GADGIL: I have Doted on Molia's dramas. your suggestion. At this _tage I will oaly say this, because. I have also thou.bt Then, on Tbursday. we have Satyajit about it.. If there is no JeasJ compJicatioo. :Ray'. preseptatioD. )'our SUS8Csti9Jl wi" ~ COQlidered. I.f 241 D.G. (Gen.) 1986.87 VAISAKHA 3, 1901S (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-81 242 this becawe I do not want that Door "As a mere man who bas to 8it Darsban should go into lit igation. through a great deal of rubbish on TV or go out and dig the garden. I was Then about News ... pleased to say 'Goodbye' to that doleful serial called Angels, where twice SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: a week neurotic so-calJed nurses argued, About advertisements. have you looked into wept and screamed abuse at each other the Advertisement for Usha Fan where tbe till we the viewers dreaded the thoughts lady say-Uthis was presented on behalf of of ever being HI enough to go to my family during the marriage" ? hospital. " This is a comment on one serial. SHRI V.N. GADGIL: It does not mention 'dowry' ... Then another is : MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER It is "About that dreadful series presentation, Madam. 7 raing/e. both my wife and I think it's tbe most boring thing the BBC have put on tbe tete for years. This pro- SHRI V.N. GADGIL: Whenever we gramme has about as much life as receive complaints about any advertisement it a deceased parrot and much less may not be legal1y possible to stop. About colour ." tbat legal question, I have not gone into. But we can certainly ask them to revise and This is a comment about their serial. And in fact in 9 cases we have asked them to the letter writer adds revise. particularly about soap, which you mentioned yesterda},. If tbere are "If we are lucky enough, maybe certain other similar cases I am prepared to the crew of tbe serial will kiU themselves do it. off..... SHRI AMAL DATTA: Has that book Now, tbere were criticism about serials, been published by BBC itself? saying, serials are not of a high order, etc. This kind of criticism is 1here SHRI V.N. GADGIL : This is a book everywhere. It is not possible to satisfy published by one author, J do not know all. where and by wbom it is p'Jblisbed. I would like to refer to a book which is SHRI AMAL DATTA: You must also a collection of letters written to BBC about publish such a book. various programmes. I will read out one SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: I hope or two Jines. Tbeir serial" are supposed to you will appreciate that considering the be the best. But even about tllose serials merit of our serials, our criticism has been what is tbe people's reaction? much more mild compared to the criticism tbat you are reading now. One letter says : (Int~rrUpllons) 'I would just like to say how SHRI V. N. GADGIL: Let me receivo disappointing rYe found the new series letters. of Butu,,./lltI.. Not only has the subject matter been in very poor taste. but Now, one of the most important en tl- also bas become far too serious and cisms made is about news. Here I am bas tberefore spoilt much of tbe enjoy- aware of tbe usual critjcism-'~Opposition meat that was present in the previous being ignored, somebody being Over- series.·· exposed". 1 am familiar with tbe criticism. In tb.: last debate ... This is very mild. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: You are 'lbe aut is ... (1Itterr..,tID~). This is Dever over-exposed. Y9\1 ,rc not referrin, ~~: to )'0\l1 243 D.G. (G~n.) 1986-87 APRIL 23. 1986 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 244 SHRI V. N. GADGIL : You will not Congress Party, it may be included. If be succeed in what you are trying to do! I is speaking as the Prime Minister, that will know your game, but you will not succeed. not be included. What I am say ing is, as I quoted in the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Tben, what last debate and Mr. Reddy immediately got remains in the Congress ? up there and said ~You are .iuggling" I have 80t the statistics, but I do not propose to SHRI V. N. GADGIL: You have not give. But I still maintain with the help of understood the history of the Congress of statistics that if you take the number of 100 years. lines, the number of readers mentioned, the number of headlines, you will find that SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: History will repeat again. Opposition altogether get nearly double the time in news than the Congress (I). • SHRI V. N. GADGIL : A more serious (lnt~rrllptions). You can count. tbing was raised and tbat was about Ram Janma Bhoorni. Here, I want to make only SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: factual statement without comment, except This is the result of the computers or ... this, that if somebody says that tension SHRI V. N. GADGIL: I have given grew as a result of this, I say, I have my tbe figures last time, Mr. Reddy knows. I doubts. It is because, you see the facts. bave given all of them. The decision of the court to remove tbe lock was announced on lst of Februal't'. (Interruptions) So, the picture presented as it the TV crew was present there, when the Jock was opened. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY This it was totany false. It wa§ shown on Sth exclusive tbe time given to the ~jnisters of February, 4 days later. How long, it was and the Prime Ministers. Then how can for 35 seconds. that be? (lnterrupliolt,). Sir, it is only a problem of definition. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: Wbat was shown? SHRI V. N. G ADG IL : Tbe problem is really your arithmetic. I have said at that SHRI V. N. GADGIL : I am prepared time also that tbe Prime Minister is not to show it to you. I will read out. It is included in this because he is the Prime 3S seconds, 30 words. What are the words ? Minister, I will not give my opinion, You judge for yourself. This is the text: SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: Hamlet is witbout tbe Prince of Denmark "A large number of devotees have here ! been going to worship at tbe Ram Janma Bhoomi Temple, Ayodhya, U. P. SHRI V. N. GADGIL : Wben be speaks, The temple had remained closed for a be speaks as Prime Minister, not as a Party long time and was opened last Saturday member and, therefore, it is not counted. under the orders of tbe District Coun." When the Congress people make statements, bow much time is given-tbat is a1l Nothiog more. This is the text. mentioned. SYED SHAHABUDDIN : This itself 3.00 lin. pre-judges the issue. You do not call it a disputed premises and you called it by a SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Who are specific namc. That is what the wbole tbe other Congressmen Left, Sir? If the controversy is about. Your DepartIDCnt is Prime Minister is excluded, wherc are other taking a partisan view, one-sided view. Congr~smen? He is tbe President of tbe Party also. SHRI V. N. OADGIL: I am not commenting. I am only factually preaeotio8. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ii he has 30 seconds, 30 words-I am only ..,ina IPIdc ~ ,"I~pt ~ t1\, ffOlidoot 9r ,bq ~i., tbat )Iou lfY to apprcciato Door4arabao·_ ~45 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAlSAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) b.G. (Gen.)J986-87 246 problem. When this is shown, they ask, SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: What about why it is shown. Wben they were asked the escape of Charles Sobhraj ? to be cautious on delicate communal SHRI V. N. GADGIL : I have already things and when the New Deihl Times had given the reply. The reply was given, if . two scenes of communal riots, tbe you want the details. on tbe Creed of PTI director was requested to delete but be the news was received. You know Door- refused. Then. we said, we will postpone darsban acts only on PTI. UNI anJ AIR it till the si tuation becomes normal. correspondents. It bas no correspondent And then, we will show it. Then the criti- of its own. PTI news came at 5.35. COD- cism is, why did yo~ postpone it. One says, firmed at 6.35 on- the Creed. 7 O'Clock why did you show and the other. why did AIR bulletin which was tbe first available you not show. bulletin, it was given. Subsequently, in AIR it w~nt on. Then photographs came. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: Because of tecbnical problems, it could not You just cannot compare these two things. go into the 8.40 Hindi news. But, im- mediately after tbe programme, before the SHRI V. N. GADGIL : Therefore, it is English news, a special annOUDCemealt was not very easy to exercise editorial judgement made, showjng the photograph, the police in such cases. telephone number and that be has escaped. They should have repeated it in 9.30 news. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHAR Y : That was a lapse. But what the person Many times. the supporters of the Muslim there thought was, as a sp~ial announce- Women's Bill are getting publicity. But ment was a'rcady made, immediately after there is great opposition. That is not being the Quiz or whatever programme was going covered. That is communal. I tell you. It on. a special announcement with photograph, is becoming communal now-a-days. It is police number and all the rest of it, it was very bad. not necessary to repeat in 9.30 news. You can say it was an error of judgment. I am SHRI V. N. GADGIL : I have checked prepared to concede. It would have been it. Let me state the facts. I do not want better if it would have been again repeated to hide anything. I say that visuals of at 9.30 news. As I said, we are fallible, neither were shown. But you are right that most of all; I am fallible. J do Dot claim bard news of one side was given and hard to be infallible. I would only hke to say news of another side was not given. I am this, as somebody said, only two people do sorry for this omjssion. I have told tbem not commit mistake, the God above and that in future they should take care of this. the Editor below. (Interruption) I do So. I am Dot hidinSj. commit mistakes. Everybody commits mistakes. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: We do not We appreciate it. have an opportunity to commit mistakes ! SHRI V. N. GADGIL : Yesterday. what SHRI V. N. GADGIL: Now in tbe I said was, no visuals were shown of either news, please try to understand, as I tty to side. Where there is omission, in another understand, tbe difficulties of presentation case also, 1 am sorry. 1t was pointed out of TV news. You have only 20 minutes. It by Mr. Balmiki. The AIR did give the cannot be a repetition of AIR. Therefore9 news which he mentioned, at 8 O·clock. visuals must be there and I do claim that in Now, the facts are that tbat particular in- the la"t year round about January, there formation was supplied by a local officer. used to be av~rage two to three visuals. Relying on that, a news was given at Today, on an average there are 10-12. We 8 O'Clock momiog bulletin. Wh~n sub- have engaged outside agencieg, Stringers and sequently it was learnt it was not a fact, a11 tbe rest of it. We want to be really from all subsequent bulletins it was dropped. visual media. But the time is so short, 20 So. tbe error was corrected, I am sayiol minutes, so many things to come in, that tbat I am follible. Doordarsban and AIR many things happen and how TV news has i8 follible. Everybody is fallible aDd liable to fUDction, because of the diffic:ulties of to commit a mistake. time ? ~41 D.G. (G.".) 1986-87 b.G; «(1.".) 198ut old SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: What about -almost everything tbat be says or a.s i. the number of disarming quotations? news. Today 20% of political news iD America is about the President. De Gaulle SURI V. N. GADGIL : You will have was on the French TV everyday. I Will plenty. Dot say about the Soviet countries or tho eastern countries where I bave seen for six This is a study made by Glassgow bours telecasts and broadcasts ••• University. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: In America If I can find it quickly ... and Britain politicians of otber parties also have near equal opportunities, SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: By that time, you can say something about ano- SHRI V.N. GADGIL : If you think ther thing. One day with much axpeclatioD, it so, it is all right. was announced that the proceedings of the Natiooal Integration Council will be teJecast. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : By some It was supported by all parties because other means they can get into it. But here integration of the country was involved. you have the monopoly. To my dismay I saw only the Prime Minister ..• SHRI V.N. GADGIL You think Opposition gets their time in America? I SHRI V.N. GADGIL Which one? I will read out this to you .... have not followed. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHO\\'DHARY : America may not. The National Integration Council meeting. Prime Minister spoke. He must be given SHRI V.N. GADGIL : I will satisfy. publicity-l bave no doubt. But the meeting was on Punjab. Different Opposition Parties SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : It is not and tbe Chief tvllDisters spoke and tbey ooe channel. supported the initiatives jointly undertaken and I expected something of that will be SHRI V.N. GADGIL : Tbis study is shown also. That will also be in tbe called 'Media, Power and Politics'. This national interest. but that did not come. study shows that last year 45 times tbe I cannot just tell you how disappointed I American President asked for TV coverage. was. All channels gave him and the conclusion is tbis : fcConducive to President's advantage SHRI V.N. GADGIL : I will just get is the inability and unwillingness of tbe tbe facts .... How much exactly was shown network to provide a comparable oppor- I will try to get. tunity for his opponents to reach the pub- lie." Then "Even when the network consents [Tran,/ationj to grant time it is invariably at a less desirable hour tban tbat granted to tbe SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI (f\.landsaur) : President." This is about America. If you do not find anything in this book, you could say that 'sorry for the interrup- About England 1 quoted last year durio. tion,·. tbe budaet discussioD. So I will not repeat ••• (English] SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Some time was given there but no time was liven SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : The title here. of the book appears to be interestinl. SHRI V.N. OADGIL : Here I bave told SHRI V.N. GADGIL : Now about ) ou bow much time was liven. this criticism that tho Opposition is not getting enough time or tbat somebody is SYED SHAHABUDDIN : That we over-exposed, my submission to the House are sufferin.lrom tbe .me malady· as the is tbat aD), political exeaative of aD), COUD1ry Americana i. DO consolation. VAISAKHA 3, t908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986.87 250 SHRI V.N. GADGIL : These arguments text of the Jetter. The very first part of that 'are going to be repeated again and again. Jetter is ... . There is no point in going on repeating. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Obviously, SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI : Please you want to put a very charitable construc- accept it. tion. SHRI V.N. GADGIL : As I said at SHRI V.N. GADGIL: I am not puttipg the outset, I am more concerned to give any construction. I am statiflg what is in more importance to the views of the the klter. In the letter, It is "tated that tbe Members of Parliament. Not that 1 regard fir~t pan refers to the two meetings he bad otbers of less importance. The TV has now with me and what review was taken. And become in every country a favourite target in cunnCC[iOD Wiib tLlat, certaip things of the Press and, therefore, I am not very follow. ] l must be read In that context. much worried about the cntlclsm. I It is abuut coverage abo. I would like to welcome criticism by the Press. But J pomt out, be~ause many people have mis- would like to narrate only one incident understood. A girl from Nagpur wrote to when Mr. Salve was tbe Minister for him a letter and the reply I want to read, Information and Broadcasting. which is publi~hed in 'Nagpur Times'. HDear Col. Sahni, I have your Jetter of so Acbarya Vinobha Bhave died and Mr. and ~o and it b true that I have asked the Salve gave a cond01ence message. A leading Doordarshan not to focus on a)l my doings, na tional Eng)i~h newspaper on its front some of ""hich are pretty routine. Politi- page publisbed a story that Mr. Salve's cians sb(.'uld be beard more oflen than to be motber rang up tne Director-General of seen. \Vhen anything important happens, I the Doordarsban saying, 'You have broad- prowise to ~e.: you on the network". So, it cast condolence message of ever)body. \Vhy IS not as if the construction you are trying have you not broadcast the condolence to put is correct. I concece tbat at one message of my son who is your Minister?" point possibt} you could say that there was Doordarshan contradicted the story that not rroper .:xposure and as you must have no such telephone came. But the story was noticed, H'uline things \\c have stopped. reiterated that the threat was given by Mr. Hut as 1 said at the outset, I stand by this Salve's motber. Then Mr. Salve ~ote a that any pclitica! executive of any country, beautiful letter, the whole of it I canrot almost \\ hatever he says is the nevvs and it reproduce. He said to tbe Editor ~o and is the job of TV to gIve news. so .... ul have great regard for the ethical standard of your Newspaper. I know how rvluch was said about the professiona- much regard you have for truth. But, lism. I agree tbat professionalism is neces- unfortunately, for you, my mother died sary in DL)ordarshan. I would go one step 8 years back". Everyday there is something further and say without blaming anyone or the other either in the TV or in some that AIR, over the years, because of histori- other newspapers, something about me cal developments, has acquired certain figures. traditions, certain persona}lty. Doordarshan (Interruptions) has not yet acquired tbat l-~rsonaJity. Tbat is why the Josl'i Committee Report. So. I have proposed, I am proposing to cbange I said it is all in tbe game. I do not the new set up in Doordarshan with bring- Afudge. I am not annoyed. I am not angry ing mere and more professionallt talented with any newspaper. It is all in the game. ~ople \\ith a news sense \\ho \\ilI function SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbub- with functional autonomy within tbe guide- napr) : Only tbe Prime Minister found lines laid down by tbe Media Advisory fault with them. We never found fault .... Committee. long years back. SHat V.N. GADGIL : He has also not Now, with regard to other departments. found fauU. Again I want to correct. I am not much bas b,cn said. But I would like tbaDkJ'ul you have given me the opportunity. to mention a few thinas about. the publQ- UDfortunate)y, ,ou have Dot read the full lion division ••• ~l b.G. (Gen.) 1986-8' SMT. GBETA MUKHERJEE (Pans- He said : CCI myself do not koow, but tx' leura) : What about the Joshi Committee told me." Eminent lawyers are sittina Report 1 opposite. J r I act on suspicioo, my ordOJ' is liable fO be struck down by the courts. SHRI AZIZ QURESHI (Satna) : Sir, Unless there is some evidence forth- I got a case. Mr. K. Abbas's script was coming, it is not possible to act .•• rejected by the Doordarshan people. I want (Inlerruptions)** to know what are the reasons 1 Whether the Minister will Kinuly agree to send that MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER Do oot script to a person like Sbri Mulkraj Anand, interrupt. Please wait; let bim finish first. Shri Satyajit Ray or Sbri Harwansb Rai Nothing will go on record. I cannot allow Bacbhan or to any other person of eminence? you to speak like this. What are the reasons for tbe rejection of tbe script 1 Please continue. SHRI V.N. GADGJL : It is not the SHRI V.N. GADGIL : If tbe hon. practise to reply to individual cases ... Member agrees to give evidence, I am prepa- red to hold an enquiry ...... (Interrupt/on.). SHR} AZIZ QURESHI: He i5 Dot an individual. He is a man who bas been MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You provido rendering yoeman service to tbe country him evidence; he will look into this. He for the last fifty years. He is a great progres- has told you. No interruptions please .. sive man. SHRI V.N. GADGIL : You give SHRI V.N. GADGIL : I have great evidence and I agree to your enquiry. I respect for such names and I enjoy his film. cannot act on suspicion. But at this stage, what can I say? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Please take SHRI AZIZ QURESHI : Money was your seat. demand .... (Inlerruptionl) SHRI V.N. GADGIL : Being a small SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY lawyer, I know that I cannot act on suspi- It is a serious charge. cion '\Jnless there is some evidence. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER No SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: interruptions please; take your seats. What about tbe Joshi Committee's report ? SHRI V.N. GADGIL: Geetaji, you SHRI AZrZ QURESHI: Let it be given know how much respect I bave for you. I to a Judge of the Supreme Court. will not ignore your points. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: That is right. Why don·t you accept I want respect for Joshi Committee', that '1 report. SHRI V.N. GADGIL : About corrup- SHRI V.N. GADGIL : I wi1l tell you tion in general I will say. 1 am not denying; wbat happened to the Joshi Committee's there may be corruption, 1 do not know. report. The Committee's report was pre- But tbe difficulty is. and I have come across &ented. I m:,self directed tbat it sbould be myself one case, that there is a general placed on tbe Table of the House. Tbeo, reluctance to come forward and give in NAMEDIA with NikbiJ Cbakravorty and writing or any evidence. When one parti- others held various seminars all over India. cular producer made an allegation. I said : The idea was that some feedback or consen- ·'Give io writing; I will not disclose your sus would come. They have promised to name; I wi)) hand it over to CBI or any send it now. " The Media Advisory Commit- u otber agency and you wiU be protected. tee has also given its opinioo. And as IOOD ~ *Not recorded. 25' D.G. (G~IJ.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SA~A) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 254 as tbe feedback comes from tbe NAMEDIA, Moses compJies and tbat night on I am myself interested in taking action on the news in stm more abbreviated Joshi Committee's report, because it is one form, the story is told. The news- of the aood reports I have come across. caster begins, UToday at UMount There is no difficulty about that. Sinai, Moses came down with 10 (/nl~rruption, ) •• Commandments and the most important three of which are as MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No inter- follows ..• " ruptions please. It is not a debate. I can- not allow anybody to speak. Nothing will This is TV news. So. you appreciate go on record. the difficulty of presentation of TV news. In just 20 minutes you have to crowd in 13.25 brs. every thing, by seconds. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] Lastly. I want to make two points. Regarding the Publication Division, Field SHRI SURESH KURUP : Sir, I want Publicity and the rest, certain points were to know about Kundan Shab's 'Police raised, but 1 would seek the bon. members' Station'. indulgence. I will convey tbe details to tbem later because I have to finish by SHRI V.N. GADGIL: As regards 1.30. individual cases, I have requested the bon. members to contact me and I win go into it, _, SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: because there is hardly any time left now. Please tell us whether the DA VP is really I only wish to make last two or three going to be privatised. points. SHRI V.N. GADGIL: Some wrong SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Throw some reports have appeared in tbe newspapers light on 'Rajiv's India' Sir. that we are closing down the DAVP. But I may tell you that there is going to be no SHRI V.N. GADGIL : I have already privatisation or DO closing do«'1l. I may replied in tbe House. There is no final tell you all tbat has happend. I cannot decision yet. hide and I do not w!sb to bide anything. We are bolding a review of various Divsions As I was saying, the prime difficulty of the Ministry as to whether they can be about news is time. Mr. Reddy will be streamlined. One of the guidelines given is interested to know as to how difficult it is to that some activity which was started 30 cover everything in just 20 minutes, by years back. if it is DO longer relevanl it can seconds. And this is what some expert bas be conveniently modified or it can be given written as to bow TV has to meet with tbe some other assignment. That is the only time limitation : guideline. There is DO privatisation notbina or the kind. "If Moses came down from Mount Sinai with 10 Commandments in tbe The last point tbat I want to mention is era of television, be would certainly be about tbe INSAT. It was mentioned areet:d by camera crews. somewhere here. I ha ve made inquiries. I cannot make an authoritative statell'ent. but "What do you have ?', , they . I am given to understand tbat the lira of the would ask. presen t IN SA T -1 B is seven years and inspite of tbe Challenger·s deslru~tiont alternative "I have tbe 10 Command- arrangement will be made. At this stage, I ments", replies Moses. can say only tbis much. "Tell us about tbem, but keep it to a minute and a half", tbey But in this connection. I can usefully would say. mention my last point. You remember the 25' D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 APRIL 23. 1986 D.O. (0••• ) 19B6.81 25' [Shri V. N. Gadgil] SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: last years·s debate. I said that the Charter It was raised in the Zero Hour also, and you to me, the guideline to me is Dot only edu- said that ... (Interr uptions) cation, not only development. information or SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Interim entertainment. The basic guideline to me is Relief is recommended ... in the Preamble of the Constitution- 5Sovereign, Democratic Socia list Republic'. (1nlerruptions) How to preserve it ? The basic problem today is unity and the task of the AIR, SMT. GEETA MUKHERJEE: The DoordarshaD aDd my Ministry is to high- hon. Minister has agreed that, you only light it. In this connection, I am proud to referred to tbe Labour Ministry and said teU you that durlng this year we launched that it will take it up. Kindly teU us about as many as 62,000 programmes on national that ••. integration and freedom struggle. On free- (/nlerrUpIOiNJ) dom struggle alone, we have 400 pro- grammes. Thousands of exhibitions were [Trans/otlon) held and particularly in Punjab alone 900 exhibitions were held and on an average SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI: I had 5000 to 8000 people have seefl them These suggested to make provision for housing are on tbe theme of nJtional irltt.-:gracion, my and pension to the journalists of even the country, my people, on nation. because this rural areas. is the basic need of the hour. And I would like to conclude by saying that rei haps we (English] can learn something from the scientists who created INSAT 1 B with Pandit Nehru's SARI V.N. GADGIL : About the Wage scientific temper and Indir.1j,·s contribution Boards. I have forgotten to mention. I to scientific devdopmcnt. That is y. hy ~he have accepted his suggestion and I will be was described by the famous m..lgazine writing to all the Chief Ministers to intro- cNJ.lture' as the Que'?n of Indian ~cience. Our duce on the pattern of Kera1a a scheme of engineer;; and techntcians made wonders. housing and pension for the journalists. I Perhaps we are the onJy developing country will be writing to the State GovemmentB. who launched a Satellite. Today a hoy sitting in a remote corner of India watches As far as Wage Boards are concerned, I Kapil Dev hitting a century at Lords in would request you not to press me to make London~ he jumps with joy with(\ut realising a statement just now. You can only rest what kind of machinery is created, \\hat assured that I am in touch with the Labour kind of machinery is hehind all this. Whose Ministry. More than that at this sta~e. I achievement is thie;? \Ve c:m see it hecau~e can't say anything just now. of INSAT-i. I would like to remind the House where it is. It i~ 22,000 miles above. (Interruptions) Who created? You see the significance of it. Number (J) Dr. Dhawan, a Punjabi. MR. SPEAKER: I shaJl now put the (2) Pramod Kate, a Mahara'\htrian, (3) D~rnands for Grants relating to the Aslam, a young boy of 32. a ~lu~lim with Min;stry of Information and Broadcasting to Kannada as his mC'ther tongue. \Vhen vote. Punjabis, Ma"arashtrians. Karnatakas, The question is : Assamese, Bengalies. Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Panies, tbey all join together, Inrlia rises ·'That the respective sums not 22,000 miles. That is the secret of it. It exceeding the amounts on Revenue shaU be my endeavour to use my Mmistry, Account and Capital Account sbown in particularly the A.I.R. and Doordarshan to the fourth column of the Order Paper that great national effort of national inte- be granted to tbe President out of the gration. Consolidated Fund of India to compl",,, SHRf S. JAIPAL REDDY: My point the sums necessary to defray tbe cbarles has not been touched, about the Wage Board that will come in course of payment for journalists. It has been tbe burnjn~ during the year endiDl 31.t day of iasue. Marcb, 1987 in mpeo,'of tilt .... of 2J1 D.O. (O_n.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3, J 908 (SJ4KA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 258 DemaDds entered in the second column and Broadcasting.'" there of against Demand Nos. 66 to 68 relating to the Ministry of Information The Motion "as adopted. D.mand$ for aranl8 (General) 1986·87 in respect of the Ministry of Informati()n and Broadcasting 'Voted by the House No. of Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Amount of Demand for Demand Grant on account G rant voted by tbe voted by the House Lok Sabha on 13th Marcb, 1986 1 2 3 4 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Ra. Ra. Rs. Rs. 66. Ministry of Information 32,32,000 and Broadcasting 67. Information and 8,26,14,000 49,03,000 41,30,68,000 2 .. 45.17,000 Publicity 68. Broadcasting 39, 11,88,000 34,42,26,000 1,95,59 ,39~OOO 2,22,70,50,000 MR. SPEAKER : Thank you for what- A list showing the serial numbers of cut ever you gave us as a theme for the national motions treated as moved will be put up on integration. I would like you just to project the Notice Board shortly. In case any and erase tbe communal bias out of this Member finds any discrepancy in tbe list he body politic of India. Make it like this. may kindly bring it to tbe notice of When you finish this can:er, we shall be the Officer at the Table without very helpful. delay_ Motion moved : (II) Mlnlltry of Alrlculture "That the respective sums Dot ex- MR. SPEAKER : Now, the House will ceeding the amounts on Revenue take up discussion and voting on Demand Account and Capital Account sbown in Nos. 1 to 8 relating to Ministry of Agri- the Fourth column of the Order Paper be culture which may be discussed till 6 P. M. granted to the President out of the today only when luil10tine witt be applied. Consolidated Fund of 1ndia to complete HOD. Members present in the House the sums necessary to defray the charges wbose cut motions to the Demands for tbat will come in course of payment Orants have been circuJated may, if they duriog tbe year ending 31st day of deaire to move their cut motions, send sJips March, 1987 in respect of the heads of to the Table within 15 minutes indicating the Demands entered in the second column aerial Dumben of tbe cut motions they tbereof against Demand Nos. 1-9 would like to move. Those cut motions relatin. to the Ministry of Agricul- ooly will be treated as moved. ture. 259 I>.a. (Oeft.) 1986-81 APlUL 23.1986 D.O. (0.,..) 198&;.81 MO Lisl of Demands for Grant' (General) 1986-87 I" r~,pec' 0/ Ministry 0/ Alrlculture to be submitted to the vote of 'he Hou. No. of Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Demand on account voted by the Grant to be subtnitted House on 13tb March, 1986 to the vote of tbe House 1 2 3 4 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital' Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. MIDIItry of Agriculture 1. Department of 81,49.000 4~07,4S,OOO Agriculture and Cooperation 2. Aariculture 42,0',07,000 2,53,44,09,000 2,10,65,34,000 12,67,20,46,flOO 3. Pisheries 4,38,32,000 1,48,69,000 21,91,62,()()() 7.43,46,000 4. Animal Husbandry 23,52,26,000 7,70,11,000 1,17,90,30,000 38,50,53,000 and Dairy Deve- lopment s. Cooperation 3.46,67,000 39,53,33,000 17,33,33,000 1 ,97,66,67,000 6. Department of 15,76,000 78,81,000 Agricultural Resea.rch an d Education 7. Payments to 26,31,12,000 1.31,55,62,000 ludian Council of Agricultural Raearch 8. Department of 4,43,13,58,000 5,33,000 14,16,22,96,000 26,67.000 Rural Develop- ment 9. Department of 2,89,16,30,000 73,07,50,000 14,4',81.4",000 3,6',47,50,000 Fertilizers MR. SPEAKER. : Before we start, may I know one can speak for bours toaetbet. I draw the attention of tbis aupst House But I would like you to make It i Dot and 18y that somehow we have been ab1e to more tban seven minutes, in any cue. So, come to, and take up tbi. discuniOD 00 tbe the t will be tbe time limit, and that will DemaDda for Grants for Agriculture? It is be the ....111 otine time for each MelD ...... DOW 1.35 p.m., and 6 p.m. is the time limit, speech. By tbat watch, I will lee *Dd I wbicll canDOt be extended. It has to be will Dot allow aoy Member to haw more piJJotined.. We bave about 31 boors left tban teftn mlnutel ..... tin ~ o·clock, when the Minister would like to reply. So, within tbree boon I would like as many Members as possible SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : It i. to participate in the dilcunioo, and make unfortunate. We should hive .Uotted JJJeit potn"r I,", ~o, JfQJlby speec-', maximum ~a,. 10 A,riewtun, !;, D.O. (G"".) 198'.81 D.G. (Gen.) 19u.b 26j MR. SPBAlCER : The time bal beeD country. The efforts which the Government lobbied up by other Departments. It i. have made to banish poverty have n~t we who arc to blame. Naturally, I think borne fruit. Government bas failed vel")' tbat it will be possible to make points. miserably to remove poverty fro~ ~~ You can say: ··Tbese are tbe specific country. points. I want tbe Minister to reply to tbem!' It bas been admitted by Governme~t tbat tbe percentage of people below the I think it is agreed. Now Mr. Rama- poverty line has been reduced to 39%. chandra Reddy. He may please note the Even if we take these facts as they are, time limit. without disputing t bern, it means that tbe percentage of persons I ifted above tbe SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY poverty line is only between ten and fifteen, (Hindupur): J am initiating. Within tbe during these 30 or 40 years. If so, how time given to me, I win try to adjust. many years will we take to left these 39% people abova the poverty line? I don't MR. SPEAKER : Then you can have think we will even be able to imagine it. teo minutes. So, tbe conventional welfarc approach has had tbe opposite effect of parpetuating and SHRIK. RAMACHANDRAREDDY: reinforcing the powerlessness of tbe ~r Make it fifteen minutes. people. MR. SPEAKER : No; then you will lose. J have got examples from various We may have to think, under these Parliaments, where tbey are allowing only circumstances, of sometbing different. bccau~ the dlffelence between the urban three minutes. Tha t is all; notbing more. rich and tbe rural poor IS expanding. For If tbey whole House agrees in a consensus, e-\ample, a rural man is able to eam only RI. tben tbe can Increase it. Otherwise. only 10 per day, and out of this Rs. 10, be will three minutes tbey give. You can be able to spend Rs. 5 or Rs. 6 for his food summarize. and capitalize on the time and shelter. Compare this with in indus- available. trialist or tbe urban rich. He is a man SUR) K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY: who is able to spend about Rs. 2,000 per Sir, it is a very very important Demand. day, for his slay in a five-star botel. That means tbe daffereoce between the two Because of tbe constraint on time, I have is 50 times and 400 times. So t the gap been asked to finisb within ten minutes. bas to be closed. But the effort made by I "ould hke to make it through points. as the government is that the gap is widening; far as possible. actually it did not result in cJosina the IBP; it bas ooly resulted in increasina tbe This Demand concerns 76% of the pp. population in India. Most of this popula- tion is under-fed. "Ibis is tbe rUfal As far as consumer statistics are cooccrne~ population which is rcsidius in about 6 '0 I would like to bring to the notice of the 7 lakb viUaaca spread cover tbe length and bon. House tbis fact. This is apparcot breadtb of India. and it is 8ClDistarved and from the consumer pattern. The urban balf naked. They do not have auy roofs ricb man CODSUDl~S 427.7 grams of cereals oyor their beadl. and pulses whereas the rural pOOr consumes 168.7 grams per day. Tbe urban ri.cb This Demand pertains to poor people, consumes 34.3 Ifams of edible oil and at aod tbae people have been exploited by per day a~d it is 2 Ifams in cue of rural tbe urban rlcb, the viUagc tyrant, tbe poor. The utban rich consumes 51 grams bureaucracy. tbe industrialists aDd tbo pett)' of sopr and aut per day whereas tbe rural poli\igiana. poor consumes only 1.1 &rams. Lake tIIis in eacb and every aspect of life. the rural Even thouah nearly four decades have mao bu been curtailed; and DOW i1l order ~d' uQCO jndependence, Dot m~b ~ to sbow that the rural man has ~-..I ",. --.-..~ .boeD ~ to ~n~ poverty from .~s &be IOYeI'DIDeJlt bas resorted to &Ileeo. 263 D.G. (G6,..) 1986.87 APRIL 23,1986 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-81 264 [Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy] these jugglary of figures? Wby dOD', you jugglary statistics. Now, here I would like come forward with clear facta and say wbat to submit that the carrot of development is you can do and what you cannot do. simply dangled before tbe poor. He is taken for ride by the Government. He Whenever I ICe I feel tbat tben are Is deceived and jugglary of figures and two types of persons; two typel of statistics are resorted to by the government citizens. One type of citizen is 24 per CODt to create an illusion of development and tbey are residing in towns; tbe other only. type of citizen is 76 per cent and they are residing in villages. Now, I feel tbat tbis I would like to draw your attention to government is only for 24 per cent of the NREP. Here tbe government claims in the citizens and not 76 per ceni of the citizens. NREP fund that tbey have alloted only The whole administration is just geared up Rs. 230 crores in 1985·86. Now, tbey only for the sake of 24 per cent of tbe have raised it to Rs. 442 crores. That citizens. Who are 24 per cent of tbe means tbey bave raised it by 93 per cent, citizens ? On one side we have got and the government is trying to take credit people who are cared and pampered and for it; probably It is well and good. Now on the other side who are uncared and you please see these figures. Why don't neglected. The first category is privileged you put the facts before the people "1 In articulate, organised and advantaged 1983-84, for NREP Rs. 536 crores were comprising of affluent sections of people, given; in 1984-85, it was Rs. 600 crOfes. industrialists, industrial workers, business- When it comes to 1985-86, it bas been man, officials and politicians. Tbe second slashed down to Rs. 230 crores. That category consists of people who are under- means 65 per cent has been reduced. Why privileged, inarticulate. unorganised and do you bide these facts? Why don't you disadvantaged consisting of residents of come forward and deal with the people rural areas. Why don't you try to do fairly and say tbis is our fate? something for those people also? Here I would like to give you an example. Tbe government just before the Parlia- For 1982-1983 and 1984 8 million toones ment Session bad imposed taxes to tbe of fOodgrains have been imported. Do JOU tune of Rs. 2000 crores; they said tbat these know tbat our procurement was 49.73 taxes were imposed in the name of million tonnes and the offtake from the administered prices, because they wanted to public distribution system was only 44.40 improve tbe economy of tbe rural poor million tonnes? There was a surplus of people; tbey wanted to improve tbe lot of five million tonnes in procurement and still tbe rural people. What bas happened to you resorted to importing 8 million tonnes RI. 2000 crores"1 What is the amount of foodgrains within three years. That is you have allotted for them? You are not wby, during this period you were able to able to allot tbe same amount which was restrict tbe prices of agricultural produce to allotted in 1983-84; and in tbe budget in the detriment of farmers. Whenever you 1983-84 and in 1986-87 which you consi- import these things you say that it ia done in dered, tbere was a rise in the budget the interest of tbe country in order to aoe allotment for about 30 to 40 per cent. that food is given to tbe poor people at You have imposed taxes to the tune of low prices. And you foraet the Iwadeshi about RI. 2 to 3 thousand crores but movement. But when it comes to tbe allotment bas been cut by about Rs. 440 import of farm machinery, irrigation Iystem crores from Rs. 600 crores in 1984·85. like solar pumps, you place restrictions on So, my request to the government is to them on tbe ground tbat Iiberati sed please see tbe fate of the rural poor. You import of these would kill the Iwadeabi are simply livina them illusory filures and industry. try to take them for a ride. You come forward with actual facts and lay tbis is Heavy import of veaetable oil ba. wbat we are able to do. Please don't resulted in brinlins down the price index of d«:eive us; don't deceive tbose poor people. veaetabJe oil from 3S9.' to 281.5. Thol They arc bard workin, people; they do not this acted al a positive deterraat lor bJahe • kDOW tbesC facta. Wby do you reaort to production. I have lODe tbrouP tIlaI 2~ b.G. (Gen.) 1986.8'1 \lAISAKBA 3. 190~ (S~KA) /J.G. (Gen.) 1986-A1 266 annual report very carefully. In one place grant further loans. Even the loans tbat lOme trutb bas come out. It is stated on we have alrt;ady taken are at such a high page 8 of tbe annual report tbat development rate or percentage that I do not think tbe- of dry land agriculture through micro- developing countries can afford to pay. watershed technology could not make mucb bead way due to inadequate financial For many years there has been a )ona support. What is this financial support? debate on whether priority should be liven It is very meagre. It is ooly 4 per cent to indu~try or to agriculture. There were of the whole Budget. 80 per cent of the certam partIes whjch wt:re very much oilseeds are grown on dry land. Still you reluctant and were not recognismg the use do not bestow any mterest in dry land of heavy industry but subsequently tbey cultivation. realised that it is through heavy industry. which compels us to use modern techniques, As far as small and marginal farmers that we ,an produce tbe maximum as we are concerned, at page 9 of the aonual have seen from the re~ults in Punjab and report it is mentioned that two-lhirds of the Haryana. Unle5ts 9ur industries coped up laod... bolding class are small and marginal wllh our nal10nal demand and given us the farmers and they cultivate only one-fourth impetus or tbe inputs like fertilizer which of the cropped area. needs heavy industry, like tractors which It is because a very bigh percentage of need heavy industry, our agricultural the land is with a few farmers. You are economy could Dot have bee.&l as bright as suggesting land ceiling. Why do you not one could envisage. It is good tbat we are have the same yardstick in tbe case of having successive good crops and tbat bas urban property? Why do you not impose boosted our economy, but the difficulty is ceiling on urban property ? that even afler 38 years of our economic independence, our assured irrigation is SHRI RAJ MANGAL PANDEY bardly 38 per cent, our forests are about (Deoria) : Tbe nation owes its gratitude to 35-36 per cent and 26 per cent of our land tbe agricultural scientists who have brought is un irrigated . We could have raised the the green revolution which not only made underground water through scientific us n matters self-reliant of rood-grain methods so tbat our dry farming land could production but we are also be cultivated or could be cultured into producing so mucb that we need an beautiful cultarable land. international market. If our planners could have given top priority to agriculture Our animal husbandry stocks, which from tbe First Plan itself, tben tbe are the baSe of our agrIcultural economy, situation would have been aU tbe more have not improved that mucb as they should briahter. But tbe agriculture was not given havee Even piscicuhure and fisbery have priority until the Third Five Year Plan. not developed that much as tbey. have It was the Fourtb, Fifth, Sixth and the developed in other countries in a very sbort beainning of the Seventh Plan tbat we have span of time. So, I would like to remind been baving brighter results of our planning our Minister and the Department tbat very due to our agricultural knowhow and great attention bas to be paid to piscicul- technology. But I would like to remind our ture and fishery. Minister tbat our approacb in sugar and Besides these, there are many schemes edible oil bas Dot been so rational as it witb regard to the production of suaar- tb~se ouabt to bave been, because it is two cane. Sugar-cane production in our items wbich will be needing about Rs. 1000 country has been so freak U.at sometimes we crores in foreign exchange for imports. have bumper crop. We produce so much that This is a bOle amownt affectin8 our national our factories run even beyond July-Auau.. economy. but in tbe next year we find tbat there is bardly any cane for t be sugar factories to 13.50 br•. crush even for two or three mootbs. It ~ow~ that either there is sOIdetbioa {SHIll ZAINUL BASHER. ill the Clla/r] lack109 In our planning or there is SOldC Wo are !iodin. tbat tbe International difficulty somewhere wbkh should be MODOtaty FUDd ia very YeJ')' nluc:taDt to mended. 2" /).G. (Gen.) 1986-87 APrtIL 23, 198'; D.O. {G"II.) 1986-8' 268 [~ri RIij Maogal Pandey] self-dependent in the matter of foodaraiDI Now 1 come to tbe international mar- and brought about green revo ludoD in ketioa. Our economy. as we are bn\llDg this count ry. it today, is not so good. \Ve bave to Sir. the farmer prod~ccs the foodara~~•• depend on agriculture and tbe agriculture He has to buy .Ill the inputs at high pri~. demands tbat for finding an international Fertilisers, seeds and other inputs have market we have to make our commodities to be purchased at very higb prices, wbereU less cost-producuve. If that is not done, his produce is sold on cheap rates. In we shall nOl find au IDternalional mark~t. spile of a very able Agriculture Minister The whole difficulty is that in this Depart- like Sbri Buta Singh at tbe helm of affairs. ment abo, altbough we have been praising our farmers do not get their bal d work aud it, the inputs that agriculture is u~if'g for investment compensated fully. The GoverL- production. are over-weighed than tbe other ment should pay allention to thiS aspect. cost of ploduction. Therefore, tbe tenant Sir, last month, through a supplementary or the peasant does not get the benefit tbat question, the Finance Minister was asked be sbould get. And ~Jnce it IS Dllt CODllOg tbe reason for lo\\er price when tbe food- fortb, the condillon of our rUlal folk is grains are purchased by lraders from tbe not as good as it should have been and farwers and the proportionately bigber tbe benefit of the plan" has not reached pricl! fllr the same foodgrains are paid him to ,bat extent as It !Should have. It IS by tbe farmers when they purcbase tbem true that we have prospered very mut...h. from the traders. That is why we regret- Our per capilu inc.:>me has lDcreased but the fully say that injustice is being meted out benefit has not passed on to the fural to the farmers. Therefore, I request tbat agricultural folk who ba\t~ been doing lhe the Agriculture Minister and tbe FinanCe hardest labour and wbo bave been go 109 Minister should dlscuss tbe issue together through a It kinds of sufferings. This bas and formulated a policy when whicb to be looked into by tbe Ministry the farmers shouJd Dot get lower price when concerned. tbey sell tbeir produce to the traders. sugg~st Tbere are many things to be improved For this, I that proper arrangements upon but all the same, the Depanment should be made jn the villages, in tbe sur- that has been functioning, bas brought such rounding areas of the viU&ge and at ,be a Green Revolut.ion that we are proud of district level to store the foodgrains. and we congratulate tbe Ministry for that. Sir. we bave encouraaed tbe grain markets very much, but we feel that the farmers have not been benefited from tbele [TranI/all 011 j grain markets to tbe desired extent. I can say tbis partieu larly in tbe case of tbe SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosi) : Sir. eastern region of Uttar Pradesh tbat frQID I am thankful to )'ou for giving me an tbese grain markets tbe farmers have bene- opportUDlty to speak on the Demands for fited very Jess. These grain markets merely Grants of tbe Department of Agriculture collect tbe taxes and tbe farmen are not and Rural Development. After indepen- beiDI benefited from tbem in any way. dence we paid less a Hen tion towards agriculturaJ development. aOd. food~ains Sir, ) have heard tbat a RI. 500 crore production and keepiog ID mlDd tbe Situa- World Bank Scheme for 84riculturaJ~ tion prevailing in the nineteenth century. bting is going to be implemented. Sover •• we decided to industraalise the country, officers concerning agrtculture and rur.1 like Britain. TblS country being an aa;.ri- development are present here aDd tbe.~. cultural country, when we dId oot become Minister himself is also prescnt hero. "'Sbri self-rehant in aariculture, our leaders very Makwaoa is also present. I want to tell wisely paid attention to agricultural develop- aU of you tbat in tbe matter of fOOdJraiaa. ment. The resu.t is that today we are self- U Uar Pradesh stands first. but there ia reliant in the matter of foodgrains. But. dearth of induatr. there, ~icul:*rJy in Sir, it is a matter of regret tbat justice is the Eastern U.P. where there is so mUCb DOt belDg meted out even today to that population tbat no part of the world can yoq peasantry who have made the COUDU'Y match thi. l'OIioo ia tllia reapogt...... 269 a.G. (G,".) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3, .908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 270 frre fllitera1e and tbey depend on agricul- ever these schemes have been started, these are ture and labour. Tberefore, I will request in operation succes~fully. In Eastern Uttar tbe boo. Minister to select Eastern Uttar Pradesh where there is a den~e population, Pradesb for imp1ementmg tbe World Bank you get the foocgrains produced", ithout pro- alriculture marketing scheme. This region viding fuJI facilities and assistance, but in badly needs this scheme. Sir, if you do spite of this we grow (oodgrains though there not pay attention towards tbis, Eastern is not a single agriculture science centre in U.P. cannot make progress. Eastern U.P. the East of Faizabad~ nor tbere is any is not baving its duc. It has not seen the research centre for helping poultry farmina. ray of progress. Tberefore. you must Therefore, Sir, through you, I request that implement this World Bank Scheme in efforts should be made to open tbCSCf UttaT Pradesh, particularly in eastern part centres in that region. For this~ I bad of it. requested the Standing Committee OR Agriculture and Rural Development of Sir, another tbing I want to submit is our Parliamentary Party, but I was told that tbat there is a Central Scheme to provide tbe land was not avail&ble for tbe purpose. subsidy to the farmers on ferti1isers and Sir, for this I have arranged 50 to 55 &era seeds. But I regret to say tbat in spite of of land in Vardab tehsil Mobammada. endless requests by tbe Department of 1 got one resolution passed by tbe Paneha- Apieulture and tbe Government of U.P. yat Samiti of the village. This win not for providing funds for subsidising ferti- only benefit that area, but it will be bene- lisers and seeds, the same has not been ficial to Azamgarh, Ghazipur, Balia. released to Uttar Pradesh. tbe biggest State Western Bibar, Deoria and Basti areu and a State wbich bas belped, like other also. Therefore, I request that a research States, in making tbe country self-reliant centre in poultry fanlling and an aaricul- in the production of foodgrains by bringing ture science centre should be opened in about areen revolution. Sir, in this con- Eastern Uttar Pradesh. With the setting nection I bave met the Agriculture Minister up of these centres people will also, but tbe funds are not being released come to know about all tile aDd even if these are released, tbey are so things which are produced there aod the, meaare that they are just a drop in the will be benefited. Sir, once tbe boa. ocean. 10 this way, Uttar Pradesh is being Minister bad made an announcement also resuscitated drop by drop. that they would provide one agriculture science centre in every district. But that Sir, tbrougb you, I would like to commitment bas not been fulfilled and now request tbe boo. Agriculture Minister to wben this issue is raised in the House, pay attention towards this. Shri Makwdna tbe hoo. Minister states that tbis wiD bas recently visited tbe area. In tbis con- depend on the availability of funds. It is DeCUon one long interview of his has a1so just like this that first you ask some one been publisbed in the newspapers. to bring' thaU" and to serve him with rood, but when the person brings 6 I hoJi' .. you teU MR. CHAIRMAN: Sbri Makwana him that the food will be served wben .isits only tbose districts which are outside cooked. It is not good. Therefore, I Delbi. request that the funds should be aot sanctioned by the hone Finance Minister SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAJ: I would and cne a(Zr1culture science centre and one urle him to kindly release the funds poultry farming centre should be opened demanded by Uttar Pradesh. Sir, tbis money there. is to 10 to the rarm~rs, the poor and the backward people. I, therefore, request Sir. recently in ~1al hura ... (ln1e'TIIPtiDlf.) lbat tbe money may kindly be released immediately. MR. CHAIRMAN: You may DOW conclude in one minutes Sir, Paftdit l ....abar Lal Nebru had con- cci.ed tbe scbemes for settina up agriculture _nee centres 1Uld poultry farms and in big SHill RAJ KUMAR ItAI: Sir. I ~ ~ fi1co BaDf*rore ."" Cbudlprll. where- soin. to fioisb ill ~o mmu_. 271 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-81 APRIL 23, J986 D.O. (G.~) 1986-81 212 MR. CHAIRMAN: No, you may "That the demand under the beac! finish in one minute. Agriculture be reduced by RI. 100." SHR) RAJ KUMAR RAJ: All ri~ht, (Need to start a rice 'minikit-cum-com- Sir, I will conclude in one minute. A munity nursery in Gaya district, proposal is being considered that the poultry Bibar.](7) breeding centre at Mathura may be shifted "That the demand under the bead Aari. to Haryana. I bad recently gone to culture be reduced by Rs. 100." Mathura and found that there is great TeSeDtmCDt among the people there. When [Need to protect crops from epidemics.l(8) I enquired about this from the bon. Agriculture Minister. he replied that he "That the demand under tbe bead AgrI- was looking into the matter. Sir, the culture be reduced by Rs. 100." poultry breeding farm is functioning very efficiently there. Therefore, it is not pro- [Need to prevent decline in production per to sbift it from there. The people due to adulterated seeds beiDl there have struggled much to get that supplied by the National Seed facUity. There demand is genuine. I. there- Corpora tion .](9) fore, want that it should be retained there and sbould not be shifted from there. ''That the demand under the head A,ri- culture be reduced by Ra. 100.. ' Of course. in Eastern Uttar Pradesb sugar mills are being opened. [ Need to prevent buae Josses in tbe State Farms Corporation due to MR. CHAIRMAN: Now you may mismanagement.}(lO) concJude. Shri P.C. Sethi. "'That tbe demand under the bead Agri. 99 SHRI 'RAJ KUMAR RAT: I am culture be reduced by Rs. 100. coocluding, Sir, J want to say only this tbat there is only one centre in Kasya for [Need to prevent damage to tbe crops promoting and adoptin~ new techniaues in in the country due to adulteration sugarcane farming. There should be one in fertilizers.](J 1) P. more centre in Eastern U. UTbat tbe demand under tbe bead Agri- I also wanted to submit that the poor culture be reduced by R.,. 100. It farmen and labourers are Dot getting full [Need to formulate schemes by Central benefits ooder NR EP. Government for small and marginal farmen and agricultural labouren MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Rai, you may in Masaudb sub-division of Patna please now resume your seat. You may district of Bibar.1(12) speak sometime else. "That the demand under tbe bead Alri- SORI RAJ KUMAR RAJ As you culture be reduced by Rs. 100.'• direct, Sir, I resume my seat. [Need to rec1aim lakhs of acres of land (£ngl/.h) by Central Government in a.,a district of Bihar.)(13) SORI RAMASHRA Y PRASAD SINGH: ] beg to move: ''Tba t tbe demand under the bead Aari- culture be reduced by Ils. 100." -'That tbe demand under the bead Agricul- [Need to check adulteration in sced•. ](J4) tore be reduced by RI. 100:· "Tbat the demand under tbe head Api. (Need to set up soil testing and ferti- culture be reduced by RI. 100" lizer quality control laboratona by tbe Central Government in JNeod to implement tbo PI'OpOI&) 01 Gay. diftrict, Bihar.J( 6) ",am, up &Q tal...... ,"" rOf 71J D.6. (Gen.) 1986-81 VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) D.O. (Gen.) 1986-81 214 plant protection asd to collect "Tbat the demand under the bead Animal sampl.. of agricultural iD8eCti(:ides.] Husbandry and Dairy Development be (15) reduced by Rs. 100.·· '"That the demand uDder tbe bead Agri- [Need to set up_ fodder Production culture be reduced by Rs. 100." Centres at Masaudhi in Patna district and lebanabad in Gaya [Need to accelerate tbe reclamation. of district of Bihar.](67) barren laad for agricultural pur .. poses.1(16) "That the demand under the bead Animal Husbandry and Dairy Development be "That tbe demand under tbe bead Agri- - reduced by Rs. 100.' culture be reduced by Rs. 100:' [Need to develop country's resources in (Need to develop the country's raources the field of animal busbandry.)(68) in tbe field of agriculture.](l7) SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY: I beg to move: Wfbat the demand under the head Fisheries be reduced by Rs. 100." '7bat tbe demand under the head Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to iaclude Masotbi in Patna district and Khijar Sarai division {Need to improve the average yield of of Gaya district of Bibar in foodgrains. groundnut and sugar- Pisberies Development Project.](60) cane per hectare.](57) ·'Tbat tbe demand under the bead Fisberies "Ihat tbe Jemand under the head Agri- be reduced by Rs. 100." culture be reduced by Rs. 100." {Need to include Arbat division of Gaya distric& in Bihar in Fisheries Deve- [Need to improve the production of pulses.](58) lopment Project.](611 "That tbe demand under the head Animal "That the demand under the head Agri- Hud,andry and Dairy Development be culture be reduced by Rs. 100.'" reduced by Its. lOO.u {Need to evolve drougbt resistance [~ed to cover Gay. district of Bihar variety of groundnut.)(59) uader Operation Flood Scbeme.l(64) '-That tbe demand under tbe bead ~ culture be redu(.'ed by Rs. 100. u caTbat tbe demand under the head Animal ;, ~ Husbandry and Dairy Oevdopment be [Need to declare agriculture as an reduced by b. 100.It industry.)(78) [Need to Jive clearance for setting up a ··That tbe demand under the head Agri- Dairy Development Corporation at culture be reduced by R~. 100." Masaudhi in Patoa district of Bihar.](65) [Need to evolve methods for develop- ment of agriculture and agricultural produce.](79) "Tbat the demand under the bead Aaimal HuabaDdry and Dairy Development be "That the demand under the head Agri- reduced by RI. 100:· culture be reduced b)' Rs. 100." (Need to improve mal ketios of ql'kul- --Need to set up a Centre for ClInic tural produce.}(SO) breediaa and foddet' production in Maaaudbi sub.. division o{ Patal "Tbat tho demand under tbe llcad Aaej .. ~'~t of ~ihar.l(66) ~ulturc be rc:dQCCd br a•. 100:' 275 D.G. (Gen.) 1986.87 APRIL 23. 1986 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-81 276 [Sbri K. Ramachandra Reddy] "That tbe demand under the bead Agri- [Need to evolve a scheme for promotion culture be reduced by Rs. 100." of agricultural operations in dry lands.1(8l) [Need to reimburse tbe losses sutTered by farmers due to power sbortages "That the demand under the head Agri- and failures.](90) culture be reduced by Rs. l00.'~ "That the demand under tb~ head Agri- [Need to evolve a separate plan for culture be reduced by Rs. 100." expert of agricultural produce.](82) [Need in increase the procurement "That tbe demand under the head Agri· prices of agricultural produce.](91) culture be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the demand under the head Agri- [Need to conduct survey of agricultural culture be reduced by Rs. 100." landless labourers in tbe country.J (83) [Need to give higher support prices to all farm produce.](92) "That the demand under the head Agri. culture be reduced by Rs. tOO." UThat the demand under tbe head Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to give a support price of Rs. 220 per Quintal for groundnut.](84) [Need to establish a National Corpora- tion for perishable agricultural "That the demand under the head Agri- Commodities.](93) calture be red uced by Rs. 100. to "That the demand under the head Coopera- [Need to fix a support price of Rs. 350 tion be reduced by Rs. 100." per ton for sugarcane.](8S) [Need to reduce the interest rate to 4 ·'That the demand under the head Agri- per cent on all loans to agricul- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." turists. V9.t) [Need to devise ways and means to "That the demand under tbe head Coopera- reduce dependence of agriculture on tion be reduced by Rs. loo.n rains.](86) [Need to develop agriculture by ex- "That the demand under the head Agri- panding Co-operative credit structure.](95) culture be reduced by Rs. 100:' [Need to assist the people of Andhra "That the demand under the head Coopera- Pradesh suffering due to chronic tion be reduced by Rs. 100." drought conditions.](87) (Need to give clearance to tbe sinale- window system scheme in aU tbe UTbat the demand under the bead Agri- - districts of Andhra Pradesh .)(96) culture be reduced by Rs. 100." (Need to rei mburse the losses suffered "That the demand under the head Coopera- by farmers due to supply of rotten tion be reduced by Rs. l00.U seeds by National Seeds Corpora- [Need to increase the limit of farm tion to tbem. }(88) credit at a low rate of interest.] (97) "That tbe demand under the bead Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." ·'That rhe deQl8nd under the bead Coopera· tion be reduced by Rs. 100." {Need to improve tbe yield of Jawar, Bajra and groundnut in rain fed [Need to proclaim moratorium OD all .reu.1(89l...... It rural indebtedness to AVO tbeeP 27' b.G. (Gen ...,,'1986-87 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) D.{). (Gen.) 1986-87 218 from the clutches of money-lenders.] [Need to open more agriculture univer- (98) sities in Andbra Pradesh.](l06) UTbat tbe demand under tbe bead Coopera- 99 "That tbe demand under the head Depart- tion be reduced by Rs. 100. ment of Agricultural Research and Edu- ca tion be reduced by Rs. tOO." [Need to provide liberal amount for Institutional credit to tbe farming [Need to develop advanced technology communities.}(99) for the improvement of dry-land farming.](107) ~·That the demand under the head Depart- ment of Agricultural Research and ~'Tbat the demand under the bead Depart- Education be reduced by Rs. 100" ment of Agricultural Research and Education be reduced by Rs. lOO.u [Need for processing of agricultural products. by-products and wastes.] [Need to develop seed which is capable (lOO) of resistmg a dry spell of 3 to S "That the demand under the bead \\eeks.](108) Department of Agricultural Research "That the demand under the head Depart- and Education be reduced by Rs. 100." ment of Agricultural Research and Edu- cation be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need for setting up of a new centre for advanced studies in agriculture in [Need to evolve agricultural tecbnology Andbra Pradesh.]( 101) for tbe benefit of common culti- \-ator5.]( 109) "That the demand under the hl!ad Depart- ment of Agricultural Research and '"That the demand under the head Depart- Education be reduced by Rs. 100." ment of Agricultural Research and Education be redur;ed by Rs. 100.99 [Need to set up regulated markets for all agricultural produce.](102) [Need to devise ways and means to narrow the gap in demand and "That the demand under the head Depart- supply of agricultural inputs.](l10) ment of Agricultural Research and Education be reduced by Rs. 100. u "That the demand under the head Depart- ment of Agllcultural Research and (Need for steps to remove the stag· Education be reduced by Rs. 100." nation in Green Revolution in farming.1(103) [Need to improve the poor performance of agricultural scientists.]( lIt) "That tbe demand under tbe head Depart- ment of Agricultural Research and "That the demand under the head Depart- Education be reduced by Rs. 100." ment of Rural Development be reduced by Rs. 100." (Need for large scale soil testing in the country.]( 104) [Need for quarterly review of various rural development programmes.} UTbat the demand under the head Depart· (112) ment of Agricultural Research and Education be reduced by Rs. 100:' "That the demand under tbe bead Depart- ment of Rural Development be reduced [Need to educate the farmers about the by Rs. lOO.u latest technology in Agriculture.} lNeed to appoint persons who are (105) sympatbetic dedicated and have "That tbe demand under the head Depart- experience rural cooditions for the ment of Agricultural Research and implementation or various rural Education be reduced tiy Rs. 100." development schemes.}(II3) [Sbri K. Ramacbandra Reddy) ment of Rural De'lolol'ment be reduced by Rs. 100:' .cTbat the demand under the head Depart- ment of Rural Development be reduced [Need to send a central team to aaseu by Rs. 100." the .eVeR effects of famine in Audbra Pradesb.J(12!) (Need to formulate a plan for rural industrialisation·1(114) C'That tbe demand under tbe bead Depart- ment of Rural Development be reduced UThat tbe demand under the head Depart- by Rs. )00." ment of Rural Development be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to alJocate more funds for DROP. DPAP, NREP, and RLEOP [Need for additional funds for Andbra schemes in Andhra Pradesh.](122) Pradesh for providing sanitary facilities in rural areas.]( 115) "That tbe demand under tbe bead Depart- ment of Rural Development be reduced "That the demand under the bead Depart- by Rs. 100.'· ment of Rural Development be reduced by Rs. tOO:" (Need to evaluate the progress of tbe various anti-poverty programmes [Need to set up a Ministry at the in reducing poverty among rural Centre exclusively to deal with people.)(123) drought and fioods.](116) ICThat tbe demand under tbe head'" Depart· "That the demand under tbe bead Depart- ment of Fertilizers be reduced by RI. ment of Rural Development be reduced 100:' by Rs. tOO." [Need to supply fertilizers to farmen at (Need for a plan for permanent eradi- cheaper rates.}(124) cation of famine in Rayalseema in Andbra Pradesb.1(l17) "That the demand under tbe bead Depart- ment of Fertilizers be reduced by RI. ··That tbe demand under the bead Depart- 100." ment of Rural Development be reduced by Rs. 100:" (Need to meet tbe locreaaed demaod of fertilizers by inc:reasina the pro. (Need to allot more funds to ADdbra duction of fertilizcn.}(12S) Pradesh for tbe supply of safe drinking water to village&.)(118) IeThat tbe demand under tile head Depart- ment of Fertilizers be reduced by Rs. "That the demand under tbe bead Depart- 100.. • mont or Rural Development be reduced by Rs. 100 ..' [Need to devise way and meana (0 actaitl self-sufficiency in fertilizen.)(l26) [Need to allocate more funds for Minimum Needs Programme in ''That tbe demand under the bead Depart.. Aodbra Pradesb.)(119) ment of Fertnizen be reduced by It._ )00." ~t the demand under the bead Depart- ment of llural Development be reduced by RI. 100." [Need to examine the impact of bike in petroleum products in tbe pric:es of {Need for impartiality in aUottioa funds fertilizers.)(127) " for famine to Aodbra Pradesb.1 (120) ·'lbat the demand UDder the bead Depart.. meat of Fertilizers be nduce4 b, Ill. 6I]bat tile demaod under the bead Depart- 100." '281 /J.O. ( [Need .to reverse the trend of reduction "That the demand under the bead Api- in tbe use of fertilizers in tbe culture be reduced by Rs. 100." oouotry.](128) [Need to bring all the districts or ·'That the demand under the head Depart- Rayalaseema in Andhra Pradesh mont of Fertilizers be reduced by Rs. under intensive agricultural deve- 100." lopment programme.](137) [Need to educate the farmers about tbe "That tbe demand und{ r the head Agri- quality of fertilizers to be used culture be redu(.ed by Rs. 100." after soil testing.1(129) [Need to consider decline in the growtb "That tbe demand under tbe head Agri- rate of agciculture.]( 138) culture be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the demand under the head Agri- [Need to revise the support prices of culture be reduced by Rs. ) 00." agricultural inputs to ensure remunerative prices to farmers.] [Need to boost the export of all agri- (130) cultural prod~ce.](l39) "That the demand under the head Agri- "That the demand under the head Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. lOO." culture be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to give remunerative prices to [Need to consider the decline in agri- farmers for their produce.]031) cultural production particularly in Eastern States.l(140) c-,nat the demanJ under tbe bead Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." "That the demand under the bead Agri- {Need to regulate tbe agricultural mar- culture be reduced by R5. 100." kets to help farmers to sell their produce at a remunerative price.] [Need to stop the impoIt of agricultural (132) produce.[(l4l) UThat the dema od under the bead Agri- "That tbe demand under the head Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." culture be reduced by Rs. lOO." (Need to remove restrictions on move- [Need for Central assistance for provid- ment of agricultural produce from ing pension to agricultural labour- one Slate to anotber .)(133) ers in Andhra Pradesh.}(142) "That tbe demand under the bead Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. lOO.n "That the demand under tbe bead Agri- culture be reduced by Rs. tOO.'" [Need to develop agroforestry in hilly arcas and drought prone areas. J [Need for Central as,istance for 034) implementing the welfare scbemes for landless agricultural workers in "Tbat tbe demand under tbe bead Agri- Andhra Pradesh.l(143) cutture be reduced by Rs. 100. n "That the demand under the head AIr;· (Noed to establish based industries uro culture be reduced by Rs. 100." in t.he areas where tbey are pro- ducedJ(13S) (Need to supply adequate modem im- "That tbe demand under the bead Aari- plements to farmers for improviDi culture be reduced by Rs. 100." dry-land farming.l(l44) lNeed to increase per hectare yield of all "That tbe demand under tbe bead Api- ....icuJlural produ~.](136) culture be reduced by Ri. loo.n 283 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 APRIL 23. 1986 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-81 284 [Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy] Agriculture occupies a key position in the Indian economy because of its contri- [Need for adequate supply of groundout bution to overaH economic growth through seeds to farmers.1(l45) suppJies of food, raw materials and exports. It is a source of livelIhood for a majority UThat the demand under the head Agri- of our population and it provides a large culture be reduced by Rs. 100." market for non-agricultural goods and services. It is on account of the overwhel- of agri- [Need for a thorough study ming importance of agriculture to this cultural input l'i.~-a-l'JS output.l country that the successive Plans have laid (146) top-most priority to the agricultural sector. As a result of thb an all-round improve- "That the demaod under the head Agri- ment in the agricultural field has been 'culture he reduced by R~. 100." achieved and in fact in respect of some of the products like juste, mesta and cotton, [Need to allot fund:, for the developmt:nt the production now exceeds demand. of dry-JanG farrnmg.](J47) This has been made possible by the accele- rated increase in area under irrigation and '~at the demand under the head AgrI- increased use of high yielding varieties of culture be reduced by R~. 100." seeds and fertilizers. Apart from the provision of infrastructure, the factors mainly respon- [Need to enact laws to fix the miIllmum sibk fOr these achievements are the exten- wdges for agrkultural workers at sion of new technology and procurement Rs. 30 per day ]( 148) of foodgrains at remunerative prices. As a result of these developments, not only self- "That the demand under the head Agri- sufficienty in foodgrains has been achieved culture be reduced by Rs. 100." but also significant possibilities have opened [Need to evolve a procedure to bring up for further growth of agriculture through modernisation and even for export which out uniformlty in the prices of agricultural produce throughout we are doing even now. the country.](l49) However, there is no evidence, as yet, of a decline in the amplitude of annual UTbat the dem;:tnd under the head Agri- fluctuations in the output of foodgrains iD culture be reduced by Rs. 100." the country, because a large proportion of foodgrain~ continues to be produced under [Need to step up th.:: production of conditions of uncertain rainfall, and even coarse grains like miJleb, maize. a good part of minor irrigation including bajra, ragi and cholam which is a the so-called controlled irrigation through staple food of the poor.J(150) wells is vulnera ble to the vegories of monsoon. The persisting fluctuations in "That tbe demand under the head Agd- agricultural output suggest that there is no culture be reduced by Rs. 100." basis for complacency and slackening of developmental etTorts in agriculture in the [Need for a scheme to give p.!nSlon to wake of a succession of good harvest and agricultural worker; throughout consequent accumulation of stocks. It also the country.](151) suggests the need for regional dispersal of output growth through the expansion of "That tbe demand under the head Agri- assured j rriga tion in areas where the pro- culture be reduced by Rs. 100." portioD of area irrigated is low and through the development of dryland farming where [Need to investigate into the low pro- irrigation is either Dot possible or is uneco- gress of agricultural extension nomical. In a large country like India programme in the country ]( 152) with significant spatial variations in ageo- climatic conditions. a regional dispersal in SHRI P.C. SETHI (Indore) : Sjr, I rise the growth of foodgrains output is likely to support the Demands for Grants relating to even out annual fluctuations in aggregate to the Ministry of Agricu1ture~ output and reduce the costs of distribution 285 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA J. 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 ~6 on account of carrying stocks from year nisation through infrastructure development to year and transportation across the e.g., irrigation, drainage, roads, markets, resions. and credit institutions in the less developed regions, extension of new technology, Another feature of agricultural perfor- particularly breakthrough in dtyJand mance is that the bulk of increase in output farming, affore~tation and appropriate price particularly foodgrains, bas been concen- and procurement pclic ies for crops as are trated in a few regions which are we]J- essential for acceJeratirg the growth of endowed with infrastructure like surface agricultural {Jut put. reducing annual fluctua- irrigation, rural electrification, roads and tions in output and for correcting inter- markets and where farmers are resourceful regional, inter-crop and inter-class dispari- in terms of their capacity to invest and bear ties. Such a pattenl of growth can also risks. provide the neces<;(\ry impetus to rural development through the dispersal of agro- It has been estimated that such deve- industries. Thi~ is hew agriculture can loped areas accounting for less than 15 per contribute more effe.:tively to the fulfilment cent of the area under foodgrains in the of the national objectives of self-reliance. country contributed as much as 56% of the removal of poverty, increase in productivity increase in foodgrains production in the and eco-preservation. post-Green revolution period. Before I conclude, I would wish to Jay But a more balanced growth of agricul- emphasis for increasing production of such ture as between different regions and classes of the commod ities as oil seeds, pulses and of farmers can lead to a rise in the pur- sugarcane for which the demand far exceeds chasing power of the rural poor through the supplies. Special plans should be evolved the rise in employment anlarges and incomes for increasing the output of these products of small and marginal farmers in the less to meet the demand and so also to save pro~perous areas. the foreign exchange outgo. Another aspect of imbalance in Indian I am happy to know just now from agricultural sector concerns crop-wise dis- the Minister of Fertilisers tbat the produc- parities in growth, between foodgrains and tion of fertilisers bas increased. The demand non-foodgrains on the one hand, and among for fertilisers has also increased and we different foodgrains themselves on the are bappy because the best fertiliser plants other. Part of this inter-crop imbalance are coming up. The hon. Minister himself derives from regional imbalances. For is sceptic about Namrup getting improved instance, a breakthrough in rice cutput in but I hope that the other plants will come the Eastern region where the yields are low 10 time hut for thi, the completion of the and where there is a significant potential pipeline is velY neceS"'~lTy and I hope the for growth, can be redress part of tbis l'1ter- ::\,1 inistry will pursue that the pipeline which crop imbalance. Similarly, a breakthrough has been started and complete it in time in dryland farming by raising the output so that these fertj)j"er plants where huge of millets, pulses and oil-seeds can also amounts have been invested come up for correct these inter-crop imbalances. Since production in time. small and marginal farmers predominate in these regions, tbey can benefit a great [Translation] deal from such development. Fixation of prices of crops at appropriate levels to *SHRI ZA INAL ABEDIN (Jangipur) : ensure inler-crop parity and procurement Mr. Chairtran. Sir. after 35 years of econo- of output would also be necessary for mic Planning the Go, ernment claims 'bat promoting optimal use of agricultural they have ach ieved maximum success in the resources by coneeting inter-crop imbalan- field of ngricultur. This is because our ces. agricultural productio· has increased, and It, therefore, fonows that broadening we have achieved self sufficiency in foOO- the base of aaricultural growth and fl10der- grains, we l~~ye a huge buffer stock of tTbo lpeec~ ~s priginally delivered in Bengali. _ D.O. (Gea.) 1986-lf1 APRIL 23 1916 D.O. (G~".) l*-'P _ [SIlri Zainal A bedin] unab Ie te make any capital (otmatiotJ cut of fooarains and we are today exporting food- bis land, rather be is raced with the problem arains to othur countries also. of making up tbe loss. In this process tbe farmers are becomina landless. But 00 the other band what is the real picture that we see? We find that Sir, tbe States in tbe eastern reaioD of iD tbe rural areas tbe number India are terribly backward in the field C'A of agricultural labourers is fast increasing agriculture. The productivity of agriculture as more and more farmers are getting land- in this region is also very litt]e. 'I1le less continuously. Their miseries, starvation Government claims that in the 7th Five wants and other m1sfortunes are increasing Year Plan, the agricultural productivity of rapidly. and tbe land and ot her rural wealth this region will be iacrused. In this way is getting concentrated in a few hands. Sir, the regional imbaloce and disparity wiD be in India a family, of five persons require removed and tbat a special programme for II quintals of foodgrains per year. If we paddy production is also being launched iD bad proper irrigation facj)jties and if we the eastern region in this respect. could use other inputs at the right time Sir, irrigation is tbe key for increasina and in tbe right quantity production and productivity. If we loot: and if we could raise two crops in a year, at the allocations made for irrigation in tbe tben the required quintals per family 81 eastern States in the 7th Five Year Plan could be produced from only 33 to 34 it witt be cl.ar bow much increase i~ decimal of our land. The average size of tbe productivity will come about in tbose Statei'. land of our marginal farmers is 0 37 hectares In the 7th five year plan the aHocatioos j.e. it is more tben times of what is needed 2! made for increasing irrigation facilities iD by him to become self sufficient in food. five years is as follo\\'s. For West Benpl That means, every margianl farmer of our it is Rs. 400 crores. for Assam it is Rs. 334 country can turn into a producer of surplus crores. for Orissa it is Rs. 696 i.e. tbe total foodgrains if he gets the required facilities. allocation for these three eastern States for But in spite of that lakhs and lakbs of our irrigation purposes is Rs. 1430 croret. 00 small and marginal farmers, share croppers the other band the allocation made for aAd agricultural labourers are passing' their Maharashtra alone is Rs. 1890 crorea. days in starvation and semi-starvation for Gujarat it is Rs. 1676 crore•. conditions. Why? Who is responsible for Therefore I feel that far from reducinl this? Sir, our total agricultura I production regional imbalance in the 7th Five Year bas increased to some extent. But pro- Plan, it will furtber increase ond agaravale ductivity bas gone down tremendously. it. The benefits of the socalled ,reeD The 7tb Five Year Plan documents heve revolution bas not reacbed tbe States in the accepted that. It has been stated therein that, eastern region our country. The people &7be growth of agricultural output in the of of this region are deprived of tile good recent past has not been commensurate results of the green revolution. Tho per witb the increase ill inputs indicating a bectare production in this legion is the decJine in tbe productivity of input. lowest in tbe country. In spite of that the Centre's contribution iD tbe 'Teesta irrip- Sir, in the opinion of some experts the !ion project' whicb is of national importance, productivity has declined by 23% in tbe IS only Rs. 5 crores out of a total last decade. This means that the quantum expenditure of Rs. 50 crores 00 this 0( inputs used by the farmer in his land to project. p,oduce additional quantity of foodgrains is not proving remunerative to him. That is, Sir, for increasing agricultural produc- whatever be is getting by producing food- tivity in the eastern States, the S.R. Seb grains is not compensating him for the Committee had made soveral I"eCOIIJIIJeIId cost of bis inputs. For producing every tions. I will urge upon tbe boo. Mini.... ton or every quintal of foodgrains he bas to to accept those recommendations. One incur extra expenditure. Side by side, recommendation specially wu tbat for tbe the price of farmers' crops are not irrip-lion projects in the eastern r.on, a increasing, ratber they are declining. definite amount should be atlocatec.t ta tile D_".,. n' thAt Ihe (armer is Dot om, CoQU'~ budpt. If ",is is oot ... ~. 219 D.Q. (0-.) 1986-81 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) D.O. (Gen.) 1986.87 290 the eastern region win not be able to increase people liviDg below the poverty line is at ita aaricultural productivity. The regional present J 5% of the total population. imbalance of this region cannot be removed Now, Sir. according to Government', merely by annouDcing good intentions and announcement we will improve upon USA pious wisbes. Sir. the pricing policy of in tbis respect in tbe coming 10 years. all'icultural produce bas appeared as a This is vel y encouraging to bear no dOUbt. cbaJlenge before the farmers of tbe country. But what is the reality? Wben tbe sixth Five Year Plan started.. about 48% of our Last year the Government fixed the people were living below the poverty Jine. minimum price for jute. But the experience Today we claim that it is 31 %. That means, of the farmers is that what he got from the during tbe s,xth five year plan the number of sale of his jute crop, was much less tban people living below tbe poverty line bas the cost of his production. Most of the come down by 11 %. Now tbis 1) % means poor farmers did not get even tbe minimum about 8 crores of people. The number of price fixed by the Government, because the beneficiaries under lRDP programme duriog JeI did not enter the market at tbe right the 6th five year plan is 16,56.727 families. time. As a result. they were forced to That comes to 8 crores and 281akb people. IOn tbeir jute crop to tbe agents and From tbat we can conclude tbat aU tbe stockists at a price lower than the minimum beneficiaries of IRDP programme in the price fixed by tbe Government. Tbe 6th plan ha ve been lifted above the poverty Government says tbat, that is the just and line. But from tbe performance budget of reasonable price. The same situation the Department of Rural Development prevails in the case of otber agricultural for 1986-87. it is seen tbat according products also. to a Survey of RBI, only 17 ~ of the beneficiary families have come On 8th January last, a conference of tbe above tbe povetry Jine. According to the sur- Chief Ministers of tbe eastern States was vey of NABARD it is 47% and according to held at Palna. Tbere the han. Minister of PEO survey it is 49.4% some time back Agriculture was al~o present. In that Shri Nilkanta Rath has shown with figures conference the Chief Minister of Bihar also that Dumber of tbose who have come above comeotcd tbat the price of wbeat and the poverty line cannot be more tban 3%_ paddy as fixed by the Government was Now there is such a wide disparity in the unrealistic. This news was publisbed in estimates running from 3% to 49.4% which various papers. If the Government wants figure is to be taken as correct? I would to save tbe farmers, if tbe Government like to know from tbe bon. Minister waDU to increase the purchasing power of bimself. What was the actual number of the farmars. then tbey will have to change people living below the po\-erty line and their pricing policy. Moreover tbe Agri- how many of them really were able to cultural price and cost commission win have come abov! the poverty line? Does he to be revamped into an organisation that have reany any corr~t account of that ! will command the confidence of tbe farmers. What after an is this poverty line. So far The farmen must have faith in it. To there was the yardstick of IRDP bene- acbieve tbat. the representation of ficiaries9 according to wbich the yearly actual farmers must be ensured in that family income was Rs. 3500. Now it commission. a,pears tbat the anDual family income limit will be Rs. 4800. The poverty line bas Sir, I want to say a few tbings about been fixed at Rs, 6000. Now those who rural development. At present various 8 re claimed to have been raised abo,'e tbe ICbemes aDd projects are beina implemented poverty line, what poveny line tbey have for romovioa the poverty aod unemployment crossed ? Is it tbe income ceilm. or amon. the rural people. A ccordina to Rs. 3500 or those witb Its. 4800 or those Government estimates, 37" of our people with Rs. 6000? Sir, with tbe preseot are at preunt livina below tbe poverty system of leudal exploitation it will not line. The Government hopes that in tbe be possible to remo~e tbe poverty and comma decade I.e. by 1994-95 it will be unemployment of our'lil\ale people. If )OU poeaible to reduce thoir number to 10% of want to remove poverty and unempJoymall tIM pop,.1atl~. 'A tJ.S.~. ~ D¥ID~ ~f tben 10\1 wUI have to. im~ft. *10._ ------It.O. (G",,;, 1986..81 292:' (Sllri Zainal Abedinl than the target. I said, Sir, the currenr -land to the tillert. From the 1950's year's production will be 148 million tonnes although tbe Government accepted in prin- which is less than the targeted figure by 6 ciple the question of giving land to tbe tiBer, million tonnes. The population is increasing but in the absence of political W1JJ, they have and is expected to go upto a billion by the failed to take any firm steps in this regard. turn of the century and tbe requirement of a~ That is why DO progress have been made foodgrains will be 240 million tonnes per in the field of radical land reforms even one estimate. Therefore. it is a matter of today. Sir, in OUf country tin this date anxiety for us whether it wilt be possible for only 73.56 lakh acres of land has been us to reach that target of 240 million tonnes declared as surplus. Out of that the various in order to be self-sufficient. State Governments ba ve taken possession of only 58.37 Jakh acres. Out of tbat again Sir. for the Seventh Plan it is suggested only 4S.09 lakh acres bas been distributed. that 4 per cent annual increase will be If the landless farmers could get possession achieved in the foodgrains production. That of land. then numerous fanners could bUlld was not tbe position during tbe Sixth Plan a permanent asset base. As a result, and the figures that have been released from through land based production or other time to time also show that whatever aaxialary works, their purchasing power c.an statistics have been released later on belied increase, and be can .:ome above the tbe claims made by the Government. poverty line. Sir, tbe second land reform Now. Sir, I am glad that the Govern- DiU passed by tbe West Bengal Legislative ment have realised tbat the Eastern sector Assembly in 1981 bas at long last got tbe has been completely neglected and bas not boo. President's assent and has become bee.. ) affected by the green revolution. We law DOW. The purpose of this legislation should not depend only on major irrigation is to take away the surplus land from the projects. On the contrary we should con- possession of tbe big zamindars. big jotedars centrate on minor irrigation and we should etc. wbo illegally transferred land through try to catcb the annual rainfall into ponds beoami transaction etc. and to distribute and tanks to be able to irrigate. In the tbe same to tJ}e lakhs of poor landless Eastern sector mostly rice is grown. I would agricultural labourers. sharecroppers, etc. suggest we should also try to develop puJses If otber States also follow suit and pass and oilseeds in tbose areas because we are Similar legislation there. then lakhs and short of tha t. lakhs of acres of land can be taken away from tbe control of big zamindars etc. and Now a word about fertilisers. The tbe same can be distributed among the consumption 'If fcrtili~ers is likely to go landless. I will request tbe hon Minister upto 90 lalch tonnes and stiH we will be to persuade other States also to enact importing fertilisers from abroad. My similar legislatiOn so that the landless may be submission is that this use of fertilisers has given possession of land. also eroded the quality of soil. So we should also develop organic manure and bio- (English] fertilisers. 1 know the Government is givinl* attention to tbat and use of "io-fertilisers SHaI SATYENDRA NARAYAN and organic manure is being encouraged. My SINHA (Aurangabad) : Mr. Chairman. Sir, personal experience is th~t where there is no I support tbe Demands of the Ministry of irrigation facility we cannot use this chemical Agriculture. Agriculture accounts for half fertiliser and \\ here there is no rainfall it is of the revenue of the Central Government all tbe more difficult. Therefore, we should aod maintains 70 per cent of tbe population. give more emphasis on organic manure and Therefore all importance should be given to bio-fertilisers for which the technology is \ this subject. We have beeD saying tbat thero tbere with tbe Government and if it is lack .. bas been a steep increase in production and ing they should develop it. we are self-sufficient. But tbe figures that have been released show tbat our production Now I come to the question of soil does not support tbe claim. Even the current conservation. From the figures we find half year production will be arouod about 148 tbe cropped area is subject to Boil erosion. -,w.&a._.nnnM. almost 6 million ,onoes leta When J bad asked qUC8tion about ttli. o~ 2t3 b.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) lflJ6.87 294 the Floor of the House J was given tbe done so much and the new recruits are not ",ply that Government were taking usual prepared to go to the villages for which a measures for soil conservatioD. I had very great training programme has to be suggested that energetic measures have to be undertaken. taken for soil conservation because balf the Witb regard to TRYSEM, the Central cropped area is under soil erosion. I want to Bank itself is imparting training. But only emphasise this poin t again. 30% of those trained came forward to start Then, Sir, dry land farming has to be industries. The others did not. The 11M at adopted. You ale aware that a question was Ahmedabad is also running this programme. put in this House when it was brought to But tbis programme bas failed to make any the notice of the House tbat a person from dent. Now, I would submit that tbe Govern- Delhi had gone to Jodhpur area and has ment should make a study of the situation started dryland farming there and he is able and fifld out why is it that tho~e youog men to earned about a lakh of rupees in a year who have be~n trained under TR YSEM are in cultivating only a hundred acres of land. not coming forward to start industries of So, this holds out a good prospect for their own and Dot going 10 utilise their dryland farmlDg. ] know that the Govern- skills? This is one point on which I wanted ment is aware of the fact and Government to emphasi&e. would energetically pursue these measures Then. in regard to tbe selection of for dryland farming. beneficiaries, it has been stated in the Report tbat bas been circulated that the beneficiaries Now. I will take the case of rural are now selected in the Gram Sabbas. I do development because this Ministry has been not know whether Gram Sabhas are reany reorganised. It is no longer the Ministry active As for as I know nowhere the Gram of Agriculture. It is the Ministry of Agricul- Sabha is working. I may submit tbat the ture and Cooperation and under it the Gram Sabhas never met and tbe selection of Department of Rural Development beneficiaries is not made in the Gram is working. It is a very important Sabbas. It is only during 1978 when this Department. The Prime Minister has also Food for Work Programme was started tbat been giving full attention to this subject and tbe vlllagers were coJJected in a place and be bas been visiting those areas where the the beneficiaries were selected. 10 tbe adivasis hve, where the Harijans live, where presence of all those people, the right type poor people live in order to find out whether of persons were selected. If the ejected Gram the benefits are reaching them. Many Sabbas meet and the beneficiaries aft distortions had been discovered by him also. selected in tbe meeting, then there will be The other day I was attending the Seminar no scope for selecting wrong type of person; under tbe auspices of PADl in VaisbaJi tbose who do not fall in the targeted group. where a bank representatives were also In many areas, Gram Pancbayat Elections present, tbe village level workers were. also have not been held. I know about my State present. They were giving their experiences of Bihar where Pancbayat elections have DOt from which it appeared that a lot of corrup- taken place for a number of years. Now, tion at that level has crept in. I am aware you are trying to activate the of this fact that the Government in the cooperative movement in tbe viJlBaes. Finance Ministry has issued the instructions My experience is very sad on this point that now the money should directly be paid and I think, the han. Minister knows it. in cash to the beneficiaries if they are gOlDg What is to be done ? It bas to be rescued to buy aoy bullocks, cows, buffaloes ~r out from the stranglehold of a coterie of anything hke that, it will now be theIr people who are monopol ising the -coopera- rcsponsiblllty to select the quality of the tive sector and al1 those who are iot"esteci anim,d and they should submit cash receipt in the movement should have a chance to for the same. Secondly, for tbe ordinary participate in its functioning and organiJJe wor~, cash amount of Rs. 3000 is to. be cooperative societies and run them properly paid to tbe individual beneficiary fo~ whlcb without any kind of aHegations being ma4e utilisation certificate bas to be submltte~. I against those societies. think even today. the Estimates Commlt~ee has submitted a Report on Social Ranltios Then, I bave been toying with one Wea MId bts said lbat the bankiog sector has not which I want to submit to tbelloD."Mmister. b.G. (G ••. ) 19SU1 .. tSbri Satyendra Narayan Sinha1 The Forest Department baa reserved The otlier day during tbe debate OD tbe 67 lakb bectares of land on the plea of Ministry of Energy. it was said tbat an afforestation under one law or the otber. Urjagram was being started and tbe village But, out of it, only 30 lakh hectares of was being made fully self-sufficient io rural land is actually under forest. The rest of energy. I would suggest to tbe bon. Minister tbe land is lying barren in the name of afforestation. Again there is 40 lakh tbat be should concentrate 00 a few villages in every block to make tbem self-sufficient hectares of land which is cultivable. but is in regard to industries, skills. roads, irriga- laying unattended. Then 16 Iakh bectares tion, drinking water supply. electricity etc. of land is earmarked for horticulture aDd If you are able to create such villages, which pastures, out of which 3 lakh hectares of are self-depeodent to a large extent. it will land is earmarked for horticulture and catch up and tbe kind of atmosphere wbich 13 lakh hectares for pastures. In this way. is prevailing in the countryside, of frustra- we can usc 266 lakh bectares of land for tion, of suspicion and of desparation, which agriculture. borticulture and pastures. But, is leading to clashes will disappear. It will out of it, abQut 175 lakh hectares of land is create hopes and aspirations in those people. being eroded due to water, wind. waterlog- In this way, tbe Government would be able ing and indiscriminate use of fertilizeD. to create new units of self-sufficiency and If tbe Government takes steps to check it, every person in the village Will get benefit the present production can be doubled or out of it. This idea has to b~ worked Oul. I tripled. Mr. Chairman. Sir. the prerequisite have also spoken to the representatives of for increasing production is irriaation. the PADI, whose brancb is working at Government have created irrigation Vaishali. I hope they will also be able to take potential for only 30.50 lakh hectares of it up. For tha t necessary technology and land, but that bas also not been rully administrative sk ill is needed and I am sure. utilised. We have been able to provide apart from money~ Government will also irrigation facility for only 25.30 lath provide requisite technology aod administra- hectares of land. So I would )ike tbat tive skiD. the irrigation potential should be utilised fuUy. [Translation) I would also )ike to say that tbe farmers SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH are bei~g exploited in the matter of price (Chapra): Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, it is for theu produce. Tbere i, no one to live the general impression in the country that ear to tbeir complaints. The farmer grows tbe production of foodgrains bas increased. crops, brings them home and has to resort I agree to it. But this increase in the to distress sale of bis produce. He has no production bas not benefited tbe people at other means to solve bis problem. He is large in the country who are living below constrained to sell bis foodgrains at the poverty line. Tbey have no capacity tbrow-away price, but he has to pay more to buy (GOdarains to feed tbemselves. So when be goes to the market to buy tbem with tbe increase in tbe production of again. India is the only country in tbe foodgrains. we sball have to bring changes world where the farmer is so balpless tbat in tho present ownership of land in the be has to purcbase foodgrainl at hiah price villages. Then ooly capital will be formed whereas be is compelled to sell them at in tile villqes and industries will be sot up lower price. On tbe other band. tbe tbere. It will bring prosperity to the people manufacturers of tbose good. which are of tbe villages and the people living there produced in the factories. charlO arbitrary below the poverty line will be able to pt prices for their products. In manufacture two square meals a day. of fertilisers, tbe cost of urea comes to 52 to 56 paise per ka. This fertiliser is sold iD la our country. crops arc Brown on difFerent parts of the country. Some time 143 lakh bectares of land which is called back it was beiDa sold at Ils. 1.12 or top soil. But. out of tbis, 85 lath hectares RI. 1.13 per kl., but eveo thea you have or land is being damqed for one reason or iDcreased its price by Rs. 200 per toone the otber. It resul ts in the damaae of 30 to Similarly. salt is a small item which h 50 lakb tonnes of foodlJ'8ins wortb Ra. 45 needed by the common maD everywbeJre CI'OJeI to B.s. 75 crores. in tbe COUDtry. The coat of produotioa el \1 AISAKHA 3, 1908 (S~£t) D.O. (dell.) 1986-87 i§8 one ka. or salt and itl transPortation to will have to undertake co-operative farmiD,. every part of the country comes to 21 paise In tbis way co-operative system would also per kg., but it is being sold at a price of be propasated. As a matter of fact. laud 80 paise per kS. in the market. Similar is a common property of aJl. ~perative is tbe case of cement. In tbe production farming should be tbe ideal. The ownership of cement tbe cost comes to Rs. 26 to of land should vest in tbe entire villaae lls. 28. but in the market it is being sold community. Ultimately the ownersbip of I at Rs. 67 to Rs 68 per bag. The prices of land will have to vest in tbe villaae 800ds manufactured in factories are sky- panchayats for the fulfi1ment of tbe dream rocketting, but tbe produce of tbe farmer of Gancbiji to establish Ram Rajya; of is being sold at a very low price. U n'ess you Vioabaji to make land a common fix the price of th~ agriculture produce, tbe property of all; of Jaya Prakash Narayanji farmer will not be motivated to work to establish gram sl4'ar oj; of Dr. Ram sincerely in his field. It is necessary that M anoha r Lohiaji to establisb clv.rnkhamba the prices should be fixed with a view to ra_iya. Then only peace can b~ established increase the agricul tural production. in the country in tbe real sense and a new Besides this. I would like to caution you society based on equality and prosperity can that irrigation facility should be provided be established. and problems like waterp logging, floods, erosion of land should be solved. Tbe I shaH conclude after saying a few prices of agricultural produce sbould also words a bout the paochayats. A lot is be fixed. But unless the ownership of said about the panchayats, but have you land is not changed, peace cannot be ever delegated adequate powers to the restored in the country and everyone cannot panchayats? No, you have oot delegated be provided with two square meals a day. It powers to tbem. You can withdraw at any will result in the agitation in the country and time whatever powers you have delegated to disorder will prevail everywhere. What is them. Under tbe Constitution, powers the situation today? The Land Reforms should be allocated to the Central Govern- Act is on paper only. The Land Reform Act, ment, State Governments. zila parisbads which was coacted in 1962 is there only on and village panchayats. If panchayats are papers. In Bibar, even today, 10000 cases to be made strong aod self-reliant, tben under the Land Ceiliog Act are pendiog in powers will bave to be delegated to them the courts for the last 15 years. Under this under tbe Constitution. Pancbayats and tbe Act land of many persons becomes surplus. peopJe will have to go to band in band to but tbe people have held land in the form of undeltake developmental wOlk in the country. benaml land and in tbe fake names. If the schemes and plans are carried out from Maths and Temples bave been exempted the grass root level, it win accelerate the from Land Ceiling Act. In Bibar, there pace of development. Only then the dream are 5,000 such math! and temples which of Gandhiji wi)) be fulfilled. With these - have land measuring 100 acres to 10,000 ~ords, ) oppose tbe Demands for Grants. acres in their possession. In tbat Sblte because only verbal importaoce is attached there are 10,000 farmers who own land to strengthen villages. Although agriculture between 500 acres to 15000 acres and is very important, yet you have reduced the do you know who those farmers are 'I allotted time from 8 hrs to 3i Ius. This A majority of such farmers are sitting on shows tbat you attach no importance to tbat side of the Ho&ISCI. The need of the agriculture. You give vel bal importaDcc bour ia .that this Act is implemented and no importance is attached in actual siocerely. When you hand over surplus practice. IaDd to the landless labourers, a condition sbould be attached with it and that is tbat (English] they will have to undertake co-operative farmina. The fallow land should also be MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER.: See what made cultivable. A land army should be can we do, because already we have takea a coastituted for this purpose and the Govern- lot of time fot other demands. ment should bear ita expenditure. It should be made obliptory tbat the landless THE MINISTElt OF AGRICULTURE Iabouren wbo are settled OD the fallow land. (8. BUTA SINGH): We arc wiIliJw. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER Already less than Rs. 1,000 per person. Therefore, Iwe bave taken a Jot of time fot otber I would request the Department tbat there demands. We are going to guillotine ttus should be a M:perate survey regarding tbe _'so DOw-this deqate. Sbri Gbolap. rural and u I bun Incomes. SHRI S.O. GHOLAP (Thane) : Mr. As re"ards 'he Ivan on agriculture. in Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support the Demands India, 60 per cent are dependent on for Grants for tbe Agriculture Department. agriculture. The world average is only 43%. Sir, I am requesting the Opposition Parties and in some coun tries it is 8%, 9DA" 10% tbat instead of giving Cut Motions, tbey or 12%. So, how to reduce the load on should have moved the Plus Motions for agriculture, is also the problem of India. this Department because at least we can Agro-industries such as sugar factories. save the work of this Department. We spinning mill s aqd hOrlil:ulture sbould know \\e were importing mIlo, but withm increase in number. tbis 30 or 35 years, we have increased our Normally, bonus is given to wotkers; production especially in the case of rice, but nowadays, bonus is given to Central every year, we are producmg 11 )akb Government servants also. Bl,It what about tonnes more. As regards \\ IShri M. Mahalill8am1 simple traditional apicultural implemeaU Farms scbeme being implemented in Madhya should be produced in substantial quanti- Pradesb, Orissa, West Benga), Bihar and ties. The traditional pJough should be Uttar Pradesh. 10 Tamil Nadu having the made more effective. Tbe cattle maintenance longest coast line there is not even a single should also be scientifically done. The Fish Seed Farm. Similarly the Fish Farmers farmers should be helped with their ap- Development scheme is also not being old assets. implemented in Tamil Nadu. The Reser- voir Fisheries D~velopment for Small and Sir, Tbanjavur district in Tamil Nadu Medium Reservoirs bas been assured occupies the pre-eminent place in prooucin. World Bank Assistance. But this project aaricuJtural products. The farmers here are is still in draft stage. The Indian Fisheries dependent on the supply of water from Act was passed in 1897. No effort has so Mettur reservoir. They do not get adequate far been made to substitute this archaic quantum of water from Mettur reservoir. Even when tbey get some water from here law. I understand that a draft Bill is ready . . . ' to replace this Act. I want this Bill to It IS not given at the needed time. Naturally be enacted soon for tbe good of fishermen. they arc suffering for want of wats. Whether There is also anotber scheme called Beacb it is a small farmer or a big farmer, I Landing Craft for Small Fishermen. This suggest tbat all tbe farmers in Thanjavur scheme is being implemented by tbe District must be given loans for diainl National Cooperative Development Copora- and installing tubewells so that they cao tion. So far Tamil Nadu bas not derived have assured supply of water for irrigation. any benefit from this scheme also. It is They should be given grants or loans at stated in tbe Annual Report of the Ministry subsidised rate of interest. They ,bould that tbe NCDC bas been requested to also be helped financially to have modem prepare a set of norms for release of funds irri~tion . ~nal-system hero. Similarly. to tbe State Governments for this scbeme. the InsectiCides and fertili&ers sbould be Though this scheme is sald to be under supplied to them at a subsidised rate so implementation during the past two years. that they are Dot hard put to find funds no guidelines have been formulated so for. for purchasing them. With these words All these schemes meant for the welfare I conclude my speech. of fisbermen should !>e implemented without any delay. There is tbe Group Insurance 15.00 bra. Scheme for Active Fishermen, under which [English] 80 far 5 lakhs of fishermen have been covered. In Tamil Nadu alone there are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB 20 laths of fishermen. I want tbat tbe DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURB word "active· shouJd be removed and the AND COOPERATION (SHRI YOGENDRA scbeme of Group Insurance for Fishermen MAKWANA) : I am very unhappy and sbould be implemented for good of all fisher- speak ing with much pain wbile participatiDI meo. A National Fishermen Housing in tbe debate on the Demands for Orants Finance Corporation should be constituted relating to my Ministry. so that financial assistance can be given This year bas proved to be very bad to tbe.. fisbermen for constructing houses and very difficult for us. The nature was nearer to coastal area which is safe and very unkind. Not only tbe nature but secure Cor habitation. you have also become very unkind to US as you have given only three or four bours Even today tbe cattle driven cart is tbe for discussion. main mode oC transport of foodgrains from our S.S lalth villages to the nearby MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : MaDY of maRdis and markets in the towns. At tho thinp were discussed under rule 193 least 10% of the outlay 00 agricultural calling attention, etc. Lot. Sabba allotted implements and machinery sbould be spent moat of its time (or qrjculturc. on the welfare of cattle io tbe rural areas, as we aU know that cattle is the best SHill YOGBNDltA MAKWANA : friend of the cultivators in our country. Nearly 12 States aDd two Uaioa terrJtorleI -Pl!'"ft~~~~ ..~\f. _~ ~~p~~. lbf ll~~ ,utJere4 from d!O~' ~ ~ ~~'" ·Md Jfeur tUoion ·tertlteries '''ave ~sulfcred Shri Satyendra Narayan 'Ii -mentioaed '-from I~iri"term •. ' fire. ···~laache. . cycJoOe. :.aboatftiJe .rDductioo.CJ' rice. paJeea,;oi1secds ...ac. .'flletefeso.' I 'aid 1bat··tbe -oature .was i in Butera States. 00' 8th ef ;Jaauuy ;~WII1' kind. l18id·,that you were ·also very ': 1986. ·my IICaior coJIeque Shri Buta ,..... , ankiad ·beeauee you have ..wen -only 1bfee Ji took a meetiel of 1 the Qief ,Mioisten to four boura for a Ministry ·.tricb . ~e of Eastern SJates ~.t Patna and tbis was sents 70 per cent of tbo population of tbe discussed at length in tbat !Deetbla. Tbey "cOuot.,,: This is Dot·oaO ';M~strY. "fhe.,e discuaed about the production of 'rice in are tlwee ;Mioisten eittioa he~ferti1iser. tbe 'eastern 'States, and tbe dev.elopment Ap'icultural and'Rural I Develqpmeot. '1lJis ·of .pulses and oilseeds also. This ,trio bas IOt;fours. 'So, we have to·be very was discussed at )qtgth and a project I'brief and confine to lOme aspects-of·the Aari- js made for tbe development of . pad"y colture' Mitaistl')'. We ·cannot 10 into details. varieties wbicb can suit tbe soil.and the area ADd in depth we cannot discuss it which and can live biab yield. There was a ~r I and my colleaaues would like to do so organised Iby , leAR-an international ,}.attwe.~:"l·tbe -1NKl. ,~':'Shout symposia which was organised . wltb .tbe .. "_'r f~es, ,UOttt ~aae i*r:cue ~-in help of International 'Institute of ,Rice ~~ao $at jt·.tfillf~t QIIr11anJlel'S Researcb in Philippines-and thet'e also ...,.d ,tbo ,peor ,pcopJe at ,)alae ,in ,the . n.ey,have. diec..... a IJUlDber of :probJems ,~tf. .wlticb~ our farmers are fa~ ·in Jiae procJuc- Four or five speakers havo participated ..ion. of. paddy. "eo ,far in the debate. We were bearing ,ttlleir epeechel. I will reply to some of -the There. are. certajn·. peiats·ma4e r..-diu tbe.. small.and maqilla) fanaen. We points.~ade by'~on. ;Members. 1J.1Mo .a number of .SCImnes.wWch ~p our ,qatl $etbi ;~b '_s ~~ abottt ~~"g and maflinal farmers. ,Wc :waDt that ... ".bo-PtQ4tiation·of o.ilsccds, nw.r; .. .ttd :pulses. . aaticuhure ;sbould develop and. therefore. "Qt,lr ~ .' ~er js ~cry ,~een 10 see ',we have iptrod'l~ed a crrep iosur8Q«:C. ~" >}"t~~pc:~on .of :ojl~s f~ -.1M&es ,and I am.bappy,to ,say fAat ekven ·$Saks ...is }iacl'fMtd. :.1bercfOf'C. ~1Je ~Jaid :tllat ~it and one ,Unicm Territory ba-¥e ac:eeptad ~~. -= JMen,.uPP a f ....on ~Md wi$b it. Tiley have iDS~ \be fanaera in ~.tMir JIl t nMati~ary NIII . our ,.. DUals ,.bQuJd . States for· cer~t pat1icularly ~t ~wMat. ·..wPrk,QDftJ)o~r~ lin ,~, ...... ,. ,:r~e • paddy aod ~miJJeL ,For oueals,, (Shri Yoaendra Makwana] into fresh milk for tbe metro cities and this by way of insurance. That is wby the led to the establishment of feeder dairies as scbemc is introduced and in tbe. near well as metro dairies. This programme bas future we can change it, and it may be done really good work in tbe area of dairy extended to other areas also. development and for the development of animal husbandry. Sir, in the case of Fisheries also, number of steps have been taken to increase tbe Now we are planning for Operation catches as well as for the development of Flood III and we expect that tbis Operation inland fisheries. A novel idea of fishery Flood III scheme will minimise the need for estate is developed and we have fishery gift commodities. The time will come when estates in U.P.• in Madhya Prade~h and in we will not want any more gift commodities Gujarat also. We are creating such fishery and we will do all tbese things on our estates which will belp the farmers, parti- own. cularly the small and marginal farmers, to act added income. By tbis pisciculture he So far as horticulture is concerned, we will be able to earn a little more. So, this will help the small and marginal farmers. have a Horticulture Board. It is develop- ing fruits. vegetables, cashew nut, spices, etc. So far as Oai ry development is concern- Number of steps have been taken in this ed, we have completed Operation Flood-I regard. The Commissioner of Horticulture and Operation Flood-II. Tbe results are is looking into all aspects of diseases in quite good. Today we have got bumper respect of fruits, vegetables, etc., and for the milk production and it has become a pro- development of new varieties for more blem for our dairies to process it. production. So, a number of steps are Earlier, wben we started daries in this coun- taken in this area also. As I said earlier, try tb~re were ]ot of criticisms. There were the time is very limited and the field to be complaints and people asked us: What discussed is vast because this Ministry is arc JOU going to do? Wbere is the milk to just like a big empire. Tbere are Ministries process and convert it into SMP butter which can be clubbed together; if five oil. butter etc.? That was the criticism Ministries are dubbed together, tbis Minis- wbich was made earlier. But today we try can be formed. Tbat is the dimension bave only limited capacity of processing tbe and tbe size of tbe Ministry and that is why milk. Therefore we are Dot able to accept a number of things are to be discussed, my all tbe milk wbich is coming to us. The colleagues will discuss about other points milk producer hal to convert it into ghee which are raised here, and there are some and sen it in the market. Gbee price bas areas wbich I have not entered into parti- also come down because of tbis-more avai- cularly fertilizer, and other areas which I lability of gbee and butter in the Market. have Dot discussed. But I can assure you, So, tbis programme bas helped farmers- Sir. that we are doing our best to belp our particularly tbe smaJl and marginal farmers farmers and we expect that in the coming and the landless labourers. This scheme days not only the food will be surplus, today was sanctioned in March 1975 and then for it is surplus, but the pluses and oilseeds some years this was in the initial stages. which are short today will also be available But DOW there are more that 40368 milk in plenty and there will be no difficulty for cooperative societies in tbe country. We OUI' poor people. bave 154 numbers of milksheds covered. 42.46 lakhs of farmers are members of tbe Sir, I can also assure you tbat our aocieties. 25321 dai1')' cooperative societies scientists and our extension workers who are covered UDder animal beaJth. 8241 are working in tbe field and who are takin. dairy cooperative societies are covered under the reeearcb from the laboratory to the artificial insemination. We have received fields. all win help our farmers and there Skimmed milk powder. butter oil and butter will be DO dif6culty so far as the food (ront from tbe EBC and throUlb re-combins tiOD is concerned. Even tbouah there is dtouabt we provide milk to metto dairies sod we and loods, cyclones etc. bave bit a Dumbe-r aeoerated lunda and we created more laci- of States, almost every State, not a .male Ddes lor tbe procesaio. of the milk. What State ia Jelt out, as J said. 22 States aad - aceimt _ tho _. ".. 90PV0f'td rOllf UDioo Tefl'itories in tbe "SO of tlGPClt ~ D.O. (Gen.) 1986..8'1 VAISAKHA ~... 1908 (SARA) D.O. (G•• ) 1986-87 ~jci etc. and every sort of calamities have affec- control and other plaot protection measure•• ted this time-floods, cyclones, hailstorms, soil cODSCl'vation and other areas connected evaJancbe and fire, wbicb is included newly with agriculture, we will be able to increase in the Eightb Finance Commission Report. our production many times over. Fire took place in one State and earthquake .Iso took place in another State. So, all However, the Green Revolution bas sorts of natural calamities have bit one or remained confined to certain States in the tbe other State. Even then, we expect tbat North. Nothing was d(\ne to take it to production wlH be nearly 150 million tonnes other regions, notably in the Soutb. What and there will be no difficulty so far as food is required is to bave a wider base for Green is concerned. Revolution. A perspective plan is required for that. With these words, Sir, I thank you for giving me some time to intervene in the I t has been a longstanding complaint debate, and I can assure you once again that the farmers are not getting remunerative that we all, including my colleagues and prices for tbeir prcduce. The farmers say myself and our officers, will do all the best that while fixing the procurement prices for for the farmers of this country. Thank you differen t cereals, tbe actual cost of produc- very much. tion is not being taken into account. The prices of inputs have gone up many times SHRI K. MOHANDAS (Mukunda- over the past one decade. But the procure- puram) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, India ment prices have been raised only margi- is an agricultural country and almost 80 per nally. In a State like Kerala, for example, cent of tbe population are farmers. Natu- where the labour cbarges are very bigh, lhe rally agriculture contributes the largest cost of production of paddy is still biaber. share to the Gross National Product. Al- I am happy that the Government is in the though agriculture is the backbone of India·s process of formulating a long-term pricina economy. it still remains more or less a policy for agricultural produce. It should gamble of monsoon. Tbat is why the total be expedited and before giving final shape production of foodgrains have come down to this policy, tbe Government should take to 146.22 million tonnes in 1984-85 as the farmers into confidence and their demand compared to 152.47 million tonnes in 1983- for a fair and remunerative price should 84. We have not been able to irrigate our get proper recognition in tbe new priciua fields to tbe fullest extent. If we could policy. provide irrigation facilities to at least 60 There are certain commercia) crops per cent of our fields, the yield would bave which play a vital role in tbe economy of a been almost twice as much as it is today. State or a particular region. Coconut is 8D We ~ad green revolution because there were example. Sir, coconut is the backbone of irrigation facilities available in Punjab, Kerala's economy and a decline in tho price Haryana and other States. Green revolu- of coconut will ad'\'erseJy atKct tion bas certainly cbanged tbe food situation the economy of State. This is in the country and we could move towards precisely what has bappeoeci. Last a state of self-sufficiency in the production year. there was a real crash in tbe prices of of foodgrains. From an importer of food- coconut. A Dut selling at Rs. 3 to Ra. 4 grains India moved into the position of an in 1984 is getting sold at Re. 1. The CDtire exporter of foodgrains economy of the State bas suffered. On the one band, the farmers suffered on account 15.19 brl. of the severe drouaht which destroyed a [SimI SHARAD DIGHB in the Chair] large number of coconut trees, on the other they are facinl a serious economic crisis This became possible because of the due to the steep fall in the prices. As. excellent research work done by our scien- matter of fact, Kerala~s coconut growers tists and tbe bard work put in by OW' bave always suffered ~cause they cion·, lumen. I am happy tbat the Prime have a lobby hero just as there are wheat Minister is attac1linl areal importaDce te lobbies. or rice lobbies, wbich are ftI7 research in various ftelds. By...r.. reaeatcIa powerful. BveD fruit arowers haw. JobbJ jJ2 ptOduciaa bi8Il ~ 11e1dlD8 ~ pest .bWo. Wbea.". was aBecacd .,,-diaeue. [Slui K .. MoIMP1'v} tho- Mtniatl7 of' ~uI&u8.. __ "rU~ it wu declared ,. loatIoaal disease and all Doyolopmeat. pr..... tiw IIICU8ft:I j were takeol Bat tltis At 'tb~ outlef, I wbulci 1iI:e to CODId16- concern was DOt seeDtwbeD I..... area of late tbW5 GoverntiWSnt, tbe Ulilon llOvtfrdnilat.- COCODut plantation was destroyed duc to tbe tb., attlculfdral sC~DfiStj, and mdte plrtf- fatal root wilt d~ase. Som_, research is cularly the peasantry of' tbe co(ant..y otl loing on and some amount was spent. But havinl broulbl abbut successrulry the &reeD we could Dot find a satisfactory solution to revOlution in tbe country. Sir, it is Db tbis problem so far. less creditable acb\eftmleot because at the ' beginning of 'the Jst Five Year Plin, our Same is the case about fixing a floor price for coconut. Numerous representa- fO'ld production was of the order of about S5 million tonoes, wbereas it baa touched tions were made to the Agricultural Ministry 1S 1.34 million tonnea in 1983-84. That for fixing a floor price for coconut. I don't meaDS, durinl tbe 22-23 yea.. , we have know why it still remains undecided. If a gene so bigh in tbe field of food productioa floor price bad been fixed. certainly tbe inasmuch a9 it baa also received apprecia. coconut Irowers would have got lome relief. tion in different world forulDS. But it bas not been done so far. I would take this opportunity to request the GOVCID- But I feel tbat altboulh there' is . evety ment to fix a floor price for coconut imme- reason for us to fecI proud of this achieve- diately and save tbe coconut growers most of ment, tbere is no room for self-comptace-ncy wbom arc small aDd marginal farmers. because the task abead 01 us is quite cbaltenaiol. We have • Himalayan tuk Sir, tbe anti-poverty 'Programmes under on the food front abead of us because by the 20-point programme have been imple- the tum of tbe century, we wnl' be havtoa mented satisfactorily in Kerala. I don't l00~ crares of population and tlie food want to go into tbe statistics. Kerafs-S requirement will be of tbe otder of 240 1 performance in this respect hn been im- min ion tonnes of foodarain.. Now we ate • pressive. I would request the OoveTnment at 1 SO minion tonnes and unless our atiDUal \ to increase the allocation to Kera1a for the production of rcSodl1'aiDi is acootdfoJly'" RLEGP programme and otber anti-poverty increased, we will' Dof be able to ldeet tid.' programme. In tbis connection, I would requirement. What is tbe ptoblelb? I~ mate one request. Under the R'Ural Etnp.... the field of agriculture, our ptob1eor is twO- loyment Programme, half of the wages are fold. We b."e t.in ob~. oDe; td~ paid in foodp'aioa. The Centre aUocates make our COUt'ltrY .1f~t 00' !be f&k1~ wbalt for this purpose. Actually tbe people front so that we do not io for "'kld, f6dd ~ in rural areas are not used to eating wheat from othk couotrles aad i .....4.# we caa' ... so they do not accept wbeat. Thus, supply food to otHer Deedy COdDtti_ as we the wbole quantity of wheat remains unused. are ddibl now. StcoodIJ, tHe lot of tbe U rice is supplied in place of wbeat, tbis qriculhlrista, tlie cuJd_toR abd _n' tHose ~ problem could be solved and there wiJl be who d~peod' Od apicultUre, tb. laDdie. pealer impaet of this prosramme• laibouren, t~ apieu1tbrd labburen,~ baa 10 be improved. Then tb6te II 00 room TOt I hope tbe boo. Minister win kindly comp1acetley • coosider, the points I have raised. With Improved tecbooloay bu __60 .... tt.e w«cIs, I support tbe Demand. and coocludc my speecb. achor of our pfOll'e8. Now we are doiDa • lot to el'5d&tr-' tIir6 MIl. CHAlR.MAN: Shri SribaUav poveR)' of our,. peo .....~ So mao,., uti- PaDipahi. Not more thaD 7 minutes, in poverty ICbema are beiDa implemeoted. w • any cue. .... be _ble~ t. pawido irdpain. to .. muoIl .... ' u ~ We ... arow 15.. 24 .,.. 1D8N thaD OM ClOP. awe .Oft tm. oreps. I lD. d .....t...... TbM- will .. care of ..... SHIll SRIBALLAV PANIGIlAHI ""etC, 0' t ....peopIe.~ It will aut~.,· (Deoprb) : Mr. Chairman, Sir. I rue to ..... in· _ ...... P9''''''', fl'OlD tllia I1Ipport tbe o.aa... for GraDti retatlol". to' CG8IItry., n-r..... lrrll dr •.bM.~ to..... pN'ttdl11r ,1Glk1 sRcW, ferttlhc!ft. .,..tttifes, Then, coming to crop irllbralJ(:l;, it is' a 1 oMd_n tec.thniiu_, aRI tlJoM; tblbll will bave welcome feature that crop io.urance basr' to'· be :: prOvided to tbe peasants at their been introduced. Bot it is bigh time that -if' dGOr~eps and wen in timet. should be objectively reviewed and some~ ll.. tch is 10iDI on but tbe outcome of changes brought in. There is a lot of tiMf !'de_reb ii not ftowing to tbe rural confusion prevailing among tbe cultivators. areas, to tt." cultivators of all tbe areas It is limited to the irrigated areas. It sbourd eClUally. Tbt. i. regrettable. Therefore, be extended to dry areas because our' wbiff is required is establishment of Agri- agriculture i1 linked with the vagaries of cultura1 Colleges and researcb Centres also nature. it is still a gamble on the monsoon at' ditl'eredt pJaces. There shou1d be co- as it was during tbe British time. Then ordinatioti between Extension aDd Research there is some confusion and misunderstand~ Wings sO that the researcb benefits reaUy jog also as to what will be the extent of lOR flow to tbe cultivators aod our food pro- on which the producers will get tbe benefit. duction goes up rapidly so as to meet our I t is calculated according to tbe Bandobust requirements. It is quite a challenging or settlement records which are pretty old. task tbat we have to produce about 240 At tbat time modern technology was not million tonnes sO as to meet the requirement introduced, Per acre yield was quite low of about 100 crores of population by the which was recorded in tbose days. When tum of tbe century. tbe Joss is calculated on tbe basis of old records, naturally tbey do not get anytlUng. We must iotr~uce a changing crop So a practical view bas to be taken and pattct'tl in our agricultural areas. Only tbis crop insurance should be objectively 2S% of the cultivated land is served by reviewed. ilTiption. 70%.of tbe- cukivated land is dry Iaod and it coatributea about 50% to our Coming to natural calamity, as our bon. procftlctioo. TbeNfore, tbere sbould' be a Minister of State has said, large areas in reaule~ end proper planning. Proper crop our country are visited by natural calamities pattern should be there aod as yoo know. every year. Some areas like Orissa per- we 80 to our areas aDd our constituencIeS petually ~utfer from natural calamities. They ao4· we· meet' our-' cultivators and we feel aR visited every year by natural calamities- tbeiI' • pulse aDd· we lee how discontented either cyclone, drought or ftoods'. In such tbey are-beoaU80'of the price factor. Tbey cases tbe central a~istance that' is giveD always camplaill that·the < prico is not pro- sbould be not by way -of loaD or .mallCe > perly. fiJleld, for apicohural' products- aad but it should be grant. It should be 100%" tbat 'their rq,felelitatives are not '1ake6 in grant. In Orissa what was asked for bas tbat- bed7 wbich 6.. · l .... pricdl of theit nOt been given; only a fraction of it-bas produce. ~m it does oM have alt), been liYeD. I would request tbe Mi1rister' relationship with the prices of the manu- to do something about it. fact..... iodMtriat .oadt. There sbouJd be pad'" aDd there sbould be an intestated About tbe anti .. poverty scheme I win prJ.· strUCture so that tbere is some ki04 submit that proper selection should be mede of pafit, bel\veed tbe aarlC\lltatal prothce about tbe beneficiaries. It should be aad'Cbo''fmlUlUiaF'tood'.' It is an iroDY of' strictly monit(tred and stern measures sbouIct· f .. tba1 .~eftr tbt*e IS'a-d ptoductiOD. be taken against tbose found guilty be- h,iIachII1ry ~ pt"bOn. but the J"eWne Is cause it is seen from expericmce tbIIt tbe- tn. 0".... _ieIaIt"" {rbDf. f \¥ben there anti-JKM'I'ty scheme implemeDtatiou .... iaHa loft of 'prod"'~ or wbee tbffte 1,1. been paradise for corrupt officers and some b8tDpR ~ we 1leIIr compMftJtl of distraa middle political mer.. Therefore, stenI aaWt III mJ SWIe ltt.()iiM there' it power measures sbould be taken about it• ...... : dd t"";: Is L DOl mRdrJI darlaa 1oa1t(·sbdtl.,. .ad aaMaRy ptoCtlremeM" Then one welcome featUJ'C of the b.t.I...... 11thefdre. I we.aTd appd}' Seventh Plan agricultural programme is to'"!1Ite MM.tcr toloo"k iDle tbtl'aspect and' BiviD. more attention for iocreasiD8 rice the PCI 'lIIoWM !pr.... dlftctly from tlie production in the eastern India aad aJeo apiculturists aoct DOt t brouah their &&eDtS, tbe shortfall has to be made up. That tbe milier aDd *tho buaiaeasmaD who in should be done in right earnest because DOW' ...... , ca.. exploit the producen. there is a lot of pp between pea aDd PaPer 315 D.G. (Gen.) 1986.87 APltIL 23, 1916 [Shri Sriballav Panigrabi) The farmers do Dot set remunerative and tbe real implementation in the field. prices of their produce. Just DOW Shri This gap should be closed and it bas to be Makwanaji ha~ said tbat foodarains are ensured by tbe Ministry. Then tbe present stored in the godowns and they are eaten problem in tbe field of agriculture is en- away by insects. We try to protect food- hanciog production and productivity without grains (rom the in~ccts. We have also for- raising tbe cost of production. This bas mulated a scheme in this respect. But we to be kept in miod by our planners and should formulate some National Price scientists wOlking in tbe field. Policy in respect of those middlemen who exploit tbe farmers by manupulating the With tbese words I conclude supporting prices of oilseeds, cotton and otber the Demands of tbe Ministry which is a very agricultural produce. This year there was important Ministry and 70% of our people distress sale of cotton. The condition of are connected with this Ministry. I support cotton groYters has become very pitiable. these Demands. Oilseeds and cotton are the main crops in our area. I was very much pleased when Rajivji declared that a National Price Policy [Translation] would be formulated in respect of cotton. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA (Chhota Udaipur): Sir, while supportlDg Sir, sometimes our area is affected by the Demands for Grants of the Ministry of floods and sometimes by drought. Nowa- Agrkulture, I would Ilke to raise some days our adivasi areas have been affected poiots. Our hone Agriculture Min iSler by famine and drought. With tbe visit of belongs to a poor agriculturist family. That Shri Rajiv Gandhi, the Messiah of Adivasis is why he has formulated schemes to help and backward classes in that area, some the poor farmers. However. I would like arrangements for livelibood of the famine- to speak about the condition prevailing in affected people have been made. Now the areas inhabited by adivasi farmers. their condition has improved to some extent. However, it needs some more attention. The adivasi and the backward areas lack The farmers of I bese drought-affected areas irrigation facilities. Lift irrigation schemes are given agricultural loans. The Ministry should be formulated for such areas and of Agriculture should adopt a liberal tubewells should be installed there. Only attitude in regard to tbe recovery of Joans tben there can be development in the given to them. Banks and co-operatives agricultural field. also provide loans to them wbere tbe area is affected by drought. Special considera- Sir. the land in tbe hilly region and tion shou1d be shown in matter of sanction- especielJy in the tribal areas, which is tilled ing loans to tbe farmers of such areas. by tbe farmers in an unauthorised way. should be anotted to tbe farmers for Sir. it bas been said that tbe pace of undertaking plantation on it and the development of roads in tbe tribal areas is Government should bear the entire expen- very slow. I would like to tell that roads diture on plantation. This will accelerate cannot be constructed through the forests. tbe growth of plantation and the farmers. Roads can be constructed 00 the land who till the land in an unauthorised way. belooaina to panchayat ooly and DOt 00 wiD also be able to earn their livelihood. (orest land. So. tbe law should provide 50 per cent of the income tbus earned from exemptioD io sucb cues or tbe present law the plantations should be given to tbe it~l( sbould be amended. Otberwile, the farmers engaged in tbe plantations and tbe f rlbals will have to face difficulties io rest should be taken by tbe Government. carrying loods from ODe viUaae to another It should also check tbe illegal realisation because neither roads cao be cooatructed of mooey by tbe Forest Officers. there nor any railway line exis.. there. Diesel enlme should be provided for Chbota Udaipur narrow &&UP tiDe. Sir. there is desert area in Gujarat, there Attention should be paid to tbis also. is Kutch coast and tbere is sea coalt allo. It is necessary to undertake the plantation Sir, the Narmada Project I, uo4er exe- work there. cution io our tribal area. It is. wry bla 317 D.O. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 318 project whicb will cbange tbe face of tbe Mr. Chairman, Sir, this Ministry is country. In tbis project some land of tbe directly concerned with 75 per cent of tbe adivasis will be submerged. Attention will population of the country and in this way bave to be paid to tbat. These people it is a very important Ministry. Takiog should be allotted some alternative land part in the discussion I \\ant to give some aDd cent-per-cent subsidy should be pre- suggestions to the bon. Minister and the vided to tbem for the development of tbat Members. Crop insurance bas been men- land. It will be a welfare scbeme for those tioned here. This scheme has been started people wbo bave been rendered homeless only in a few States at present and it is not aod laodless. yet in a very good shape. Out of the 2 per cent premium demanded by the insurance per cent, 9 Simitarly. the people in tbe tribal areas companies, one of course can be have remained backward in tbe agriculture charged from tbe farmers, but the remain- sector. Their agricultural production is not ing one per cent should be shared equally satisfactory. So, some diploma course or by tbe Central Government and the State agricultural camp course should be under- Governments so that the poor farmers a!e able to take fu)) benefit of tbe Insurance taken 10 tbat these people may be trained in tbe improved system of agriculture and scheme. tbus development of agriculture could take Secondly, this Ministry should neither place tbere. adopt a partisan attitude nor it should indulge in politics. )t is for tbe entire nation and 75 per cent of the people are There is one more problem in our area. There are two tribes, i.e., Ratbwa and affected by it. Of course. the Government have undertaken many schemes and it is RatbwakboJi in OUf area. But only tbe being said that the country bas become people belonging to tbe Ratbwa tribe enjoy self-reliant, but, I think, at present people·s the benefits of tribal schemes. The people purchasing power is quite Jow, because belonging to Ratbw8 kholi tribe are deprived many people are unable to buy foodgrains of these benefits. J would suggest tbat both at the present rates. I want to give you the tribes should be recognised as such and one example. USSR produces more provided benefits equally. Thererore. food- grains than us and her population also is Ratbwakholi caste should be included in lesser than us. Even then she imports Rathwa caste, the Adivasi caste. foodgrains. This means that tbe people in our country do not have sufficient purchas- One more last point I would like to iog power. and as sucb, they do Dot get tbe make. Most of the TV. Centres have full quantity of foodgrains. Another thiDa been set up in tbe cities but tbe develop- I want to say is tbat if the prices of tbe ment of the country depends on the deve- inputs continue to spiral as at present. tben lopment of agriculture and tbat of the the price bike in the foodgraios win be so rural areas. Tbe people living in tbe rural much that thoe poor will have no purchasinl areas are deprived of the programmes con- power at all. If he is able to purchase only 2S cerning agriculture telecast on T. V. More per cent of his requirem~nt~ then be will Dot attention should. therefore, be paid towards have purchasing power to purchase 75 setting T.V. centTn in the rural and adivasi per cent of his total requirement. There- areas. In tbis way tbese areas will be fore, I request that the prices of tbe inputs belpful in the development of agriculture should be brought down. For quite a .a wen as the country. By opening T.V. long time I have been observing that every Centres tbere. programmes concerning year Agricultural Prices Commission is ap- apicultural development could be shown to pointtd and it fixes tbe prices a new every tbem. time. The Agricultural Prices Commission is unable to give any decision e~n tin tbe SHill SHAMINDER SINGH harvesting season starts. The Goveromeat (Paridkot): Mr. Chairman, Sir, today, should convene a m~tinl in whicb repre- Ute God you too have imposed cuts. I waul sentatives of the farmers should take part to tbank you tbat tbe Almiebty sometimes and there after tak.inl into account the in- sweeps away everytbinl in the floods. etc., vestment made on the inputs and other ""t 1°U "'YO provided US at least 4 bovn. f&SI*lS 901lCerDinI ~ field, thf IDarpo of ,{Shri Shamindcr Singh} to YOU' fer tbo lime liven t()ame to • .,eat proit. even ifJt is half of what industrialists on 1his Demaad. Sioce there i. t'8ucky earn or five to eight per cent, should be of time I will make only two or tbree I ODd. A price index should be points. fGrmulated so that issue of fixing prices is Dot put forward before the Price Commis- No doubt we have made .quito a sion every year, and the farmers are able successful ilDpi'GvOIDent in aariculture .-but to-let the inputs and sell their crops on a you bave to take the overall position. It fixed price for 10 to 15 years and in tbis is ooly in a few S'ales lb., we have. ....o way they are able to chalk out their pro- able to make a mark while tbero is consider- lramme for a long time. I am a farmer able backwardness in otber States. So my and work with my own hands. Therefore. point is we bave Dqt been able to _ntif, I may be allowed to speak for sometime tbe areas wbich are suffering for want .f lDOI'e. I come from Punj?b, I would hke irrigatioD facilities Qf wbicb are drouabt to bring to your notice a major defect. affected aod abo areas where ~ops Nke Punjab and Haryana have a large stock of pulses, oil seeds , etc. could be arqWD. wbeat. The system of supplying it to other Further tbere bas not bc:en sufticieot States is not correct. In Punjab even 4 storage facility also. The agriculturist is old wheat is lying. Similarly two lakh ,_r making a big cry for providing him aD COPp.cs of sugarcane IS sent to Jammu and aDvantageous price. I still remember tbe .lCa&Junir and Himachal Pradesh and we agitation which was there in 1983 in ~fCmain busy in arranging only transport. I Karnataka-a bia movement by agri- \UD.t that a sugar mill should be set up in culturists-in respect of fGOdgraina aDd I'PQjab and foodgrain schemes should be sugarcane. Central WarehousiAa Cor- ai.w:n to the South. W.thin tbe country poratiGn is doing some work to provide crores of rupees are spent on transport and go down facilities. Cooperative societies- have we 10 on transporting sugar, goodgrain and aho been doiog some work in this respect oc.ber commoditIes from one part to the but there has not been scientific (tunkial on other. tbis maUer. Centres of foodgraios prodllCtioo aDd marketable aRlls have not been idonRfied One thing more. The Central Govern- and tbe warebousiq facilities have not. been ~Dt has formulated 5everal schemes in provided there. Agru:ullurilts have Dot ~t-pf oilseeds and pulses and the Indian been ah)e to keep tbeir produce in tbe r~r always v.elcomes sucb schemes. warehouses. As a matter of lact ,aday Wha~ver scheme you will formulate for it is the mercbapt tbat 1Qak.es ~ of Uac ~.farmers. tbey will implement it, be it Warebousil)l Corporation aodowns. TJac oiJseod scheme or pulses scheme. That is merchant purchases tbe prQd~ frOID tbe wby I am insisting that be should be given agriculturists duriog the barvesliog sc&son proper profit. tbat is done, the Indian If and stOTes it in tbe .odOWDS. He is ~ fanner will welcome all the schemes whole- to take SO per cent mqoey fr()m tbe btlJu. ~fledly and implement (hem and achieve Then be sells it at bis own conveDient lime. all lPe targets. If you do not pay attention Why should not tha Oovcroment think of '0 my fequest, you will see that crores of these things aDd plan for the whqle of,t.lJo .(~ beiDl spent on bringing about green couptry ill$tead of lcaviol 1I.1eae tbi&\tlp'o Icvolulion and wbite revolution will go ,be mercy of the Sf,ate.a? The tlG4ow.s waste ~d put tbe fanners UDder heavy which bad been 11arted in J 912·73 ·are Met ~I aod gradually one day they will to be completed in the cooperative ,",or. br_dowD total1y. At tbat time neicber You have included thelD in &he Plaa. ¥Ru ·fIJe GcweroQlent nor the country will be have provide some subsidy also. ~t.,* abJe to do anytbing for them. With these State Governments do Dot complete them on ~oTds, J thank you for living me time to time. So mu.b 10, tbe wAMb9usina ..,.k. facilities are Dot available to ~ agriculturists. if tile -:~uaJA' (Eng/I.") facilities are dlere. tbe ....lcu1ua .... caD p1e4ae their .pJC)dpce aQd-, •SHIll K.H. RANGANATH (Chit,a- 50% of &be cost 01 tbtJr prodpce 1WJ1,J JIJe _.~ : ..r. CbairmaD~ Sir, I am .....'uI ba1Jka ID~ IPOO4 tbolr Im"""~...... ~ 3il D.O. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 322 then dictate tbe market. They can never be cash facilities in order to enable them under the mercy cf the merchants at all. sustain till they get the crops in addition to This is one of the suggestions whicb I the crop-credit. wanted to make. Further, Sir, there has been research Sirt in respect of irrigation, I should be work going on. The research bas also come pardoned if I say that there has been to the help of the agriculturists. Research considerable regional imbalance. As far facilities will have to be provided a11 over as Karnataka is concerned. The other hon. the country taking into consideration the Member was making a reference in this House crops grown in that area tbat too, this morning about the irrigation facilities. In the surplus produce. For example. if this connection, I may point out that the production through horticulture can be emphasis was given to the agriculture onJy increased in a particular area, research in during the Third Five Year PJan. In the that direction win have to be undertaken First and the Second Five Year Plans. we there. So aho in respect of cer~aJs" oil did not think about food at all. But seeds, cottion, research institutions win have from tbe Thir4 Five Year Plan onwards. to be established in those areas. Our work we have been laying fl'luch emphasis on food in respect of dairy and animal busbandary production. But the Fourth Plan \\-as i'i not encouraging. A lot of thing will never a Plan. There was a Plan hol!day have to be done in this direction. Unless and the annual plan was pur~ued during we come to the help of the agriculturists that time. During the FIfth and the Sixth who contribute nearly 60% of tbe national Plans we made sufficient progr~s. But as income, probably I think OUf future seems far as Karnataka is concerned, the irrigation to be very very dim. I know both tbe projects that were taken up some time in Ministers in charge of this Ministry are the Third Five Year Plan are yet to be very much interested in agriculture. But if completed. They are yet to see the light they were to CClncentrate only on D~Jhi. of the day. In the meanwhile, our friends Haryana. Panjab and some of the from Andhra Pradesh have raised the slogan surroundinlt areas, it is not just sufficient. of Telugu-Ganga project. This has come They must come down to the South. South in the way of Karnataka execucting the requires a constant attention in this irrigation projects. Sir, 1 come from a respect. district whicb is very close to RayaJaseema districts in Andhra Pradesh. It is SHRI MR. SAIKIA (NoWlon&): Mr. chronically a drought-affected area. Have Chairman, Sir. algriculture is tbe backbone you tbought about it? Has there been anv of our country. Nearly seventy five per Iclentific approach in this respect ? We cent of our people live in tbe rural areas have spent a lot of money either on flood and out of that seventy per cent people control or on meeting the drought situations depend on agriculture, If \\e really want to ;n the country. But if we have s~nt the-se eradicate poverty of tbe common people. mODies on irrigation projttts. hy flOW we we shall have to develop our agriculture. would have completed many of the projects AgricuJture significantly is tbe most aDd we would have solved the problem~. important factor for reducina pov~rty of the We must identify the major rivers so that common people in India. TherefC'lre, if we we may plan irrigation pro.iects and provide really want to increase tbe growth of our for them money. If the State Governments economy and also develop our economy want9 tbey caD give grants, loans and see we shaH have to adopt some fl'leasure-s;~ that tbe projects are completed on time and develop this ~ctor of our economy. Our there should be no !lpin-ov~r of the projects. Seventh Five Year Plan bas been lUidt'd Today. in tbe Seventh Five Year Plan. an by the considerations of foodgrains, work41 the works are continuing proj~cts rrom the and productivity. By deve10ping alriculturo Third Five Year Plan. But we say that we we can ~upport the largest Dumber of people, have achieved the r'an targets. Input and it IS here that the lareest number of facilitl~s like water. seed and n~d~d credits productive emr'oy~nt can be created. I needs to be provided to agriculturists therefore, urJre ·Jpon the MJnisf~r t~ to improve tbe ••,Ieu'ture. Moreover, take an possible moas~ros to ~ 8Iri~ lbe oultivatOI'l wiU bave to be provided witb culture! 323 D.G. (Gen.) ]986-17 APRIL 23, 1986 D.O. (Gen.) 1986.81 324 (Sbri M.R. Saikia] floods, whicb are silnificantly associated with agriculture. Unless we control ftoods, 16.01 Ian. our very purpose wi)) be defeated. We have seen that every year almost in the ISHRI SOMNATH RATH In ,III chair] entire country except a few limited areas, flood creates havocs. Just at the beginning Wo find that our country is self- of tbe cultivation of kharif crops, flood sufficiont at present in foodarains. specially comes and it causes hUle damages to our wheat and rice. But tbere are certain areas, crops, washes away dwelling houses and where we have been suffering from tbousands aDd thosaods of people and deficiency. particularly in respect of edible cattle are shifted to bigb areas. Millions oils and sugar. In order to till up the gap of hectares of land in the country are between demand and supply. we have to submerged under water for months together spend significant portion of our foreign and it totally eliminates the possibilities of excbanae on the import of edible oil and Monsoon kharif crops. Therefore, tbe lugar. Tberefore. in order 10 make our Government sbould come forward with country self-sufficient aod also to reduce adequate funds for tbe implementation of the tbe burden of payment of fore ian exchange, flood control programmes. we have to encourage domestic production of such looda. We shall bave to take some In my State of Assam, we have seen measures for increasing tbe arowtb rate of that every district of this particular State our existing production and also to encouraae is submerged under water for montbs the farmors to produce more, we shall have together. Thers is one fenile area in our to adopt some measures such as offering State, namely Majuli, which is tbe larlest remunerative price for their products as also river island in tbe world. This area bas adopt some other measures to brina home been completely ruined by floods. Actual1Y)l to tbe small farmers tbe benefits of the Crop tbis particular area is tbe granary of Assam Insurance Scheme through wid. publicity. and it is also the seat of Assamese culture. We aball have to encouraac them and try Therefore, my bumble suggestion to the boo. our level best to reduce tbe risk and Minister is tbat instead of laking some uncertainty about tbe fate of their products. piecemeal measures here and tbere by We also have to encourage tbe farmers to constructing bunds which are again washed adopt bot~ intensive and extensive metbods away by the Ooods, leaving no trace of tbeir of cultivation to increase tbeir agricultural existance, long term projects should be taken produce. We shall have to take measures in order to control the floods. UnJess we for extension of improved technology for can control floods, we shall not be able to morc areas. develop our agricuJture. Sucb 1001 term measures should be considered not as Further. we shall have to make provi- regional projects. Tbese should be consi- liona for easy availability of credit facilities dered as national projects because the to the poor farmers. We should also arrange problem of flood is not a regional problem. to supply them witb high yielding It is a national problem. Therefore. I varieties of 1CCds, fertilizers, manures and would like to submit tbat lonl term -cbcmicaIJ. projects should be taken up, such al construction of big dams across tbe 8Dowfed III addition to these thinas. tbe Govern- rivers. Only these dams shaH be able meet lbould come forward witb adequate to control the floods and these dams shall fuada and elaborate provisions for better also be able to provide ample facilities for irription facilities. and for construction of irriJ8ting tbe 81ricultural lands. Therefore. major. medium aDd minor irrilation works my humble submission to tbe Minister is to provide required quantity of water to tbat 'be Government sbould come forward qricultural ftelds and alflo to increase tbe with adequate fuods to take up some 100. impted arcu for cultivation. term projects aDd not sbort term ODeS. We have found tbat crores and crore. of While tbinkina of improvement and rupee. are spent in tbe name of relief work. dcNeIOpmeDt of our aariculture, we sball All tbi, type of lpendinl and investment Mvt ,q *f tp min~ the e#"tct, of Jlifb ,,.. vo'1 uaproductive, Jpdia " , poc}r 32.5 b.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 b.G. (Gen.) 1986-i7 32~ country and we cannot afford to waste such make India self-sufficient in food and we larae sums of money for unproductive invested vjgorous)y 10 the fenilizer industrY. purposes. Therefore, I would request tbe Our farmers and our expert, have prOYed Ministry to come forward witb adequate tbat there i, notbina tbat tb.y cannot funds for the construction of bil dams achieve, if we decided to do 10. Tbe across the snow-fed rivers in order to fertilizer industry is a good example of tbat. control floods and also to provide racilities Today. tbe entire world acclaims our for irrigatina cultivable land. With these achievement in this particular field. Why words I thank you. does it do so? The simple reason that we have done this is on our own. on our own farmers, 00 our own workers and labour., 16.08 hrs. who have a~hieved this. To orpnise any THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE proaramme. any undertaking which involves DEPARTMENT OF FERTILIZERS (SHRI 70 per cent of the people of this country K. NATWAR SINGH) : Thank you Mr. is not a small task. It is DOt a minor Chairman. I would first of all agree with achievement. It is a major achievement my colleague here OD roy left that if you for tbis country and for the people of this had given us a little more time, we could country. have dealt with the most vital subject of agriculture a t a greater length and in greater Now, let me give you some figures wbich detail. speak for themselves. Production of fertilizer in 1985-86 was 100.5 per cent of It is also a sad commentary that a the taraet, growth over 1984-85 was 11 per discussion of tbls importance, on this cent and as I s:lid earlier, tbls wiJl be particular subject which affects tbe vast maintained throughout, tbe Seventb Plan. majoflty of tbe people of our country should But it is not enough as I sbould tell you in arouse the kind of interest it bas, in tbe a few moments Mr. Chairman. The Press and in the Cbamber. capacity uttlisation wi)) be 82.3 per cent in 1986·87 which is acceptable and we would Now Sir, my duty first is to speak like to improve it further. We hope to, about the fertilizer industry, which for the but some of our plants are little old, they first time, IS a part of tbe Ministry of have to be revamped. They have to be Agriculture as a fuB Department. What modernised and the funds arc heiDI made seeel is to industry, fertilizer is to agricul- available. New plants are comma UP. ture. The development and expansion of Fifteen new plants are comins up. tbe fertilizer industry in India is a success They include eight nitrogenous fertilizer story. Fertilizer today is a arowing plants and seven pbosphatJC fertiJizer planrs. industry. The post-tax return on tbe I do not want to give you tbe names because investment in tbe fertilizer industry eitber tbey are available In the Report and tbe in tbe public Of private sector is 12 per figures of tbe Seventb Plan are in the cent. Annual Report which Members will DO doubt have seen. Now, let us Jook at tbe bistory of the fertilizer industry in India. In 1950-51, Now what about the future? The we cODlumed 0.70 lakb tonnes of ferlilizer. demographic projections of India by tho end By 1990 we shall be consuming 14 crore& of tbe century are that we will be in the and 40 lakh tonnes. 10 1951-52, we neighbourhood of 900 millious. For produced 27,000 tonnes of nutrients. feeding 900 millIons people. we will be By 1990, we shall be producinl 9J lath requirin. 235 millioo toonca of foodaraiDa toones. Our overall arowtb will be 11 per For produciog 23S miltioD tonne. of food- cent tbrouabout tbe Seventb Plan~ How grains we shan require over 20 .IJIIlliOD toDoes have we achieved tbis? Twenty y.:ara ago, of fertilizers. That means from 14 milhooa. India was written off as a bad case, as far tonnes in 1990 we have to 10 apto 20 as feediol its population were coocerned. million tonnes in tbe next ten yean. Wo It was considered beyond savini. But in have to do this on our own. To maiDtaiD 1961 when we bad some of the. worst tbis a 12 per cent annual use ... f.-tilizen droughts. in many parts of India, Mrs. is absolutely cssootial. It is the mJoim.... lodira Gandhi took up this cballeale to If our production rana below 12 per c:eat,. ~2; D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 APRiL 23, 1986 [Shri K. Natwar Singh] attended on. recentJy. IFFCO and we aet into the danger zone wbete we will KRIBHCO have adopted villages, where we not be able to produce enough to feed our give tbem all the facilities available. We people. So, it is the endeavour of t~is give them knowJed"e, we show them films, Ministry. under the guidance of my seDior aod answer queslions. We are also colleague S. Buta SlDgb and my coUeague extending our services to the dryland areas. Sbri Mak wana tbat we shall take every As several Memben referred to tbis, special conceivable step to ensure tbat the produc- attention will DC paid to tbis. tion of fertilizer in this country keeps on One dlstingui&hed bon. Member men- going up. :So. tbe 12 per cent growth rate tioned that tbt: complelJon of these plants, is maintained. particularly the oues whi~b are based 00 Kas. Now, we ale among tbe largest producers IS d~pendenl on tbe completion of gas pipelines. Government have absolutely no of tbe fertilizt:rs In the world. And at the doub,-ntlther 1 nor my colleagues in tbe sametime, we are also one of the largest Mmlslry-tb"l tbls pipeJine Will be complet- importers of fertilizers. We produ~e . about 60 per cent of our requirements and Import ed in time. 1t is our hope that some of our plants wIH bc completed not only in about 40 per cent and now we hope that lime, but before tbeu time. wben aU the new plants that ale coming up tbc:~e 10. tbe next four years or five years, . SHRI NARAYAN CHAUBEY (Midno- 15 plants are gas· based, some will use t uel, pore) : Since the tUlle i~ very short, 1 wiH others Will use coal tbis will be achieved. only put a few POUlt~ before tbe Minister. And now the coal tecbno~ogy is very FHst.l would IJke to koow ; Wby bas tbo new, to India, that is why some of our coal implementation oj Jand reform been tardy. plants are not doing wel~. But we are as yet? You had a plan to complete land looking into this. But given the dele~-. reform by 31.3.19tS3. Wby bas tbls nOI yet mination and WIll and the finance, there IS been completed? no doubt tbat we shall be able to cater to the demands of our vast market in J ndia, The planners bad placed much emphasil and tbe Green Revolution will not be on laud retorm. Sut J am apprehenSive confined to 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 Slates. We that on our Governments. particular Jy tbe shall extend it to all tbe States of tbe Governments in sucb States where the Union and Union Territories. So, we can Congress Party is ruJing. the pull of tbe look f~rward to tbe growth, with satisfaction landJords is ~ areat. that land reform is Dot and with cautious optimism. being implemented. Now 1 would like to close on this note : Governmen t bas taken possession of Tbis Ministry of Fertilizer is not only only 5.6 million acres of land, as yet; and involved in large plants, but is making sure tbe actual distribution is 4.4 million acres. tbat ser"ices are available to tbe farmers of wbicb more tban 50% goes to West all over tbe country-in small villages, Bengal and Kerala. This is thc first point I want Co make. large viHages and in urban areas-.-at reasonable prices. Compared to tbe pnces It is a very good thing tbat Government tbat have gooe up in tbe last few years in is going to reclaim 40 million hectarcs of other areas-wbether it is steel. coal or cuJturable wasteland in tbe 7th five year eloctricity-tbe prioc rise in fertilizer bas Plan. It is a very good thina. But thcD. been sometbing that we can accommodate. tbe GovernmeDt baa not mentioned whetber and it is reuooable; aod since 31 st of this land will be given to tbe landless lunary. we bave been monitoring tbis. agricultural labour. or not. Arc tbey loina We baYO put tho prices back to 1983. to brina in these bia houses in the matter TbeI'e has been GO appceciable difference in of reclamation, in tbe name of production: tbe otl'-tako. It i. maClinal. wbich we can or. are they loing to include landlC81 adjust. aad we caD live with it. labourers also-who ale laDd-buDIfY? This is my second question. We _"-.demonstratioD groups; we have Kilau Melas; we bave training camps where PROF. N.G. RANOA (Guntur) It ... are distributed. I myself have sboul~ not be put to sale. f .., ~ , 32~ D.G. (G.m.) lfis6..B7 VAlsAKHA 3.1908 (S"XA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986.8; 330 SHRI NA[ About irriaatioD, yc~ io urisation also (MR. SPEAKER in cllair) some advancement bas been made. But ,h. even tbeD today 70 per cent of our The biggest irony is that the farmer cultivable land bas DO irriptioD facilities; in spite of his best efforts is uoable to ooly 30 per ceot of our laDd bas lot get the fruits of bib bard work and toil due imptioD faciliti~s. In Punjab. Haryana to calamities like floods, droutbt, hailstorms and otber places, we will coycr more. etc. at diff'cteot times. Then. be docs l\eprdiDa ..tom reaioo. apiD West ))eoaaJ. Dot pt fair pric:o also for his produc:e. 331 D.b. (Ge".) 1986-81 (Sbri Jaadilh Awasthi) I allo want to submit that tboush you provide I,arle suma of fODds tbrouab tb. All the bon. Members expressing their cooperalave SOCieties. yet it is not received views have stated this and tbe bon. Minister in time. You are increasing sbe number himself realises that tbe farmer does not o~ fCI tiliser depols, but tbe subsidy you tbe price wbicb be should get keeping aet 8IVe on fertilisers is not made available in view tbe hard work be puts and tbe to aU the farmers. The resuh is that when money be invests. As apinst tbis, tbe tbey do not get fertilisers, tb. .Irieulture industrialists fix tbe prices ot tbeir products suffers. J may also submit tbat in the keeping in view tbe cost they IDcur. But, Department of Cooperatives, specially in unfortunately, in tbe case of tbe farmers Uttar Pradesh, fake loaos wortb crores of is fix yield, it tbe mtermediaries wbo the rupees have been sbown against the farmers. prices. Thoulb you have constituted the Many a time it bas been stated tbat these loans Aaricultural Prices Commission, yet the are fake, even then the same loans are farmers are not getting tbo benefits. I shown agaiost farmers Dames and 'AmiDs' request tbe hone Minister that these things harass tbe farmers. Tberefore, you should create resentment among the peasantry, reconsider that wben it bas been decided so a permanent solution of the problem several times that money cannot be recover- sbould be found out so that tbe farmers ed, why tben it is beina shown as loans are able to aet remuneraU ve pric~s for aaainst the farmers. There are huodreds tbeir produce and unremunerative farming of crores of rupees whicb are beiDa shown is converted into remunerative farming. as loan against tbe farmers. Tbe relult Alona with it, it is also necessary tbat is tbe banks are burdened with outstaodins loans and tbey are u;)able to provide the declining agricultural production is money to that you increased. There are two types of farmiog- tbe farmers. I want intensive farming and extensive farming. may consult tbe State Go .. emments and prepare a proaramme 10 tbat those hundreds Production sbould be increased through wbich be intensive farmins. Also, under tbe National of crores of rupees cannot recovered now are wrjtten off and tbe Rural Development Programme small farmers fccl relieved of tbis burden. This and marainal farmers are provided witb burden should be sbared equally botb by loans and grants from the banks in order the centre and the State Governments. to lift tbem above tbe poverty line under You must take action in tbis reprd. 20 Point Proaramme, but large scale buoalina takes place in it. The touts indulge in bungling in the matter of payments One tbinl more I want to say. You made to the beneficiuies for purcbasiDl take maoy steps to check floods and ,oats, cows, buffaloes or pigs. Without droughts. In Kanpur district. tbe 800d takiDl much time, I would Jike to say tbat problem is not tbere, but the problema or you should review this Programme. The waterlOllio8 and inundation do exist Government of India releases crores of Waterloging createa problem there. Bv"'; rupees to tbe State Governments for provid- year thousands of acres of land leta inl benefits to the beneficiaries, but in submerged and the faoner. suffer heavily. reality theae people are not being benefited To save tbe 'and from submeraioa. the Centre and the State OOvemmeDt in any way. Throuab you, I would like to sub- mit tbat instead of makina direct Payment to should formulate scbemea under which drainaae s,stem is provided for the tbae beneficiaries, jf you open ,IDa)) IUbmera- iDduatriCl etc. in the viJJaaes and employ eclland. Also, steps are taka after tile ha~e tbem there, tben these people will definitely floods ocurred. My request Is that be beDefited and will be able to come steps sbould be takeD beforeband 10 tbat above the poverty line. At present, they tbe farmers are .ble to take beDdta aDd are &OiDa below tbe poverty line even after bave not to suffer lou. whicb tbey sutrer administering tbem first and second doses due to tbe ftoods. and resentment is increasinl amonl them. Ito therefore. urge tbat you may consider In the cod, I would like to make one such type of Programmes and employ the more point. I bad made Ibis tubal_i_ poor in the vocatjonal centre,. 1 here ia last year allO. The Government I. ,akiDS ...... aced of IUGh • measure today. meaaul'Ol to oacouraao 8sbericl. 333 D.G. (0.".) 1986-81 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (8~K.4) D.G. (Gen.) 1986.81 334 Pisb_, particularly bil fishes, are beina people have biB bouses to Ijve in. At least. exported. It aives aood returns and ForeilD he should also have a sma)) bouse to live in UCbaDP it _rDed thereby. But no help and a cot for his use. This is a &larina is provided to tbe poor fishermen and disparity and he is living in such a conditioD. boatmen. My submission is that they This is tbe reason tbat the Ibould be provided witb financial assistance. people in Bihar are being shot Thoy are also not &ettina any benefit from dead. I would congratulate the agricultural tbe Welfare Board constituted by the scientists (or it is only due to them tbat the Government. I would, tberefore. like to production of agriculture bas increased from request tbat fisbermen and the boatmen what it was 10 to 1 S years ago. The liviol alool tbe rivers sbould be liven agricultural scientists have developed new assistance 10 tbat tbey may enjoy tbe varieties of wheat and rice. The farmers in beDd1ts. villages say tbat they would Dot lake to cultivation as the cost of production has With these words, I support tbe lone up very high. This has broken their Demands for Grants presented by tbe hone backbone. 6 to 8 or 10 quintals of wheat Minister. is grown in one acre of land, but be bas to sell it at a very low price. The farmer has SUR! RAM NAG INA MISHRA to pay more for harvesting and thresbin& (SaJcmpur): Mr. Speaker. Sir, I am thank- his crops. Government bave fixed tbe rate ful to you for livin. me an opportunity to of wbeat at Rs. 165 per quintal. but he speak on the Demands for Grants of the gets very less. In Uttar Pradesh the ..me Ministry of Aariculture after matins areat thing is purchased from tbe private dealen effort•. at a reasonable rate, but tbe farmen are given very low price for it. Sir. aood I would start my speecb in tbe voke of quality wheat is purcbased from tbe farmer a sad farmer. One farmer says to anotber after sieving it, but the same whatt is pur- in Ilhojpuri : cbased from the private dealers without sieving it. The bon. Members may be Ahlta6a NuntJre d~.wa ke bllele kuaan aware of tbe quality of wheat wbicb is GaJI mlan murla mange" available at tbe Fair Price Sbops. If this K"II mal mange chlrki awokalUl, is bow the fanner is treated. how can be act Abltogtl Itamere d~swa ke bhele k Ishan remunerative price? In other WOlds, tbe Go,ernna,nt pot mange, farmer is getting very low price for bis N~ta Log yole mange produce. He is not getting remuneratiw Amla.,akll kaJaen chod de eman. price. He is only able to make both ends AM.G "GINn. deswa ke blaele k13atlll. meet. He sbould get fair price for his Sab kollaamon Ie mallge, produce. Whenever we raise this demand. llama ka klll!e mangl tbe Government gives plea that they have to /aamllnt Abltangwan ke dula sla Ram bane provide (oodgrains to the Government IIbltgG ItamGr_ de,It- ke b~/e kIJQGn. servants and to the people livinB in tbe (Pol meaDS land revenue] cities at Jow price. Sir, the prices liven to the farmers for tbeir produce are very I Iball start my &peach on this point. Jow. Apicultu~ is sucb a subject wbicb is related to everybody. Fertilisers, water. diesel for Government imports edible oil from tractor are needed for ensurinl good aari- other countries. In a meeting held under cultural production. Sir, a professor or a 20-Point Programme, it was decided that ICieotist need food to eat. If be dOC's Dot aet tbe farmers, baviog balf or one acre of land. food. bit mind canoot remain sound. Because sbould be given subsidy to Brow tori aDd II BAuvak.III,.", Kimono XG'.'. PQ/klm mustard, as they are not able to Brow it. C,,#ddtI JQllD1I' "13kllr",,Q bltQWlu"r'" Only farmers havinB 8 acres or 10 .~ 01 It meaDS tbat a starved man tend. to commit land can 11'0w it. They sbould be eDCOUJ'a- crime. So. be needs food. Wbat does a aed to &row oilseeds by providina tbaD larmer do" He produces wheat, rice, subsidy. If Eubsidy and fertiliser are pro- .bee. butter. veaetables for tbe scientists and vided to sucb fanners.. the production of profaaors. He produce. better tblnp for oilseeds can increase. IDStead of impot'tiq "" t9 • ..,.., I",. Tb9 Jis:b ~ ttao JII'hD p11 fr~ ot~ ~tries 9D 11.,...... ,... iJ 335 D.G. (C.".) 1986-87 APRIL 23, 1986 D.G. (0.•• ) 191'-87 336 (Shri Ram Nalina Mishra) The farmer bas to pay Rs. 4 to RI. S per would be better if farmers are encouraged to litre for the kerosene oil. We had asked grow more oilseeds by ensuring them its fair as to why sucb tbing is happening: tbe price. reply was given tbat there was no me thod to colour it. The farmer bas to pay more Similar is tt:.e case of cotton as well. for the salt, the item for which Gandbiji The farmer is not getting fair price for bad launched an agitation. The Govern ... cotton. Earlier the matter \\'as raised in ment is not able to provide even kerosene this House. Remunerative price should be oil and tbe salt at the low price. given for cotton so as to increase its pro- duction. The cond ition of farmers is very With these words } would request the miserable and disparity is increasing. In the bon. Minister to remove the snags in tbe cities, huge rnulti-storyed buildings are supply of electricity. Arrangf'ments should coming up and on the other band villages are be made to provide electricity to farmers at being deserted. This disparity should be appropriate time. Power is not available at removed. The ancestral land measuring 50 the time of thrashing of wheat. He gets to 60 acres bas been brougl-tt under Land power at 12 0' clock in tbe night. I want Ceiling Aet, but in the cities there is no that you should supply power to him in restriction whatsoever on multi-millionaires. time so that wheat could be thrashed. With The multi-millionaires are constructing these words I support tbe Demands for multi-storeyed buildings having 20 to 40 Grants of tbis Ministry. storeys and tbere is no check 00 them. They construct buildings by taking billions of SHRI ABDUL RASHID KABULI rupees as loan. On the other hand biJJions (Srinagar) : Mr. Speaker9 Sir9 due to paucity of rupees are out stand ing against the sugar of time I would draw your attention towards mill owners. La5lt year billions of rupees only a few things. remained outstanding against them. The farmer does bot get immediate payment of Firstly, so far as Green Revolution is his wheat and sugarcane. Is anything concerned I am sorry to state that Jammu available in the market free of cost or with- Kashmir State is not producing foodlrains out making the payment on the spot. Only to the desired extent. That is wby we have tbe sugarcane and wheat are such items of to get supplies of wheat from Punjab and tb. farmer which are purcbased in advance Haryana. During winter our farmers have witbout making payment on tbe spot. In to migrate to Haryana, Punjab and Western tbe area from which I bail, crores of rupees Uttar Pradesh to earn their 1iv~libood. of the people due to tbe sale of the suger- canes are outstanding and tne Govern ment MR. SPEAKER: You grow fOr us and is doing nothing for its payment. If public we grow for you. money or the bank money remains outstand- ing against some vil1ager~ he is immediately SHRI ABDUL ItASHID KABUL}: I put behind tbe bars in the tebsiJ, but in big wanted to submit that so far as agriculture cities crores of rupees as taxes remain out· is concerned there is great potential to pro- standing against the peopJe. but they are duce foodgrains in the bill areas of Jammu not put behind the bars. Can you give any and Kashmir, but the main reason for instance where some multi-millionaire in poverty in OUf area is that we are nejther the country, against whom crores of rupees able to produce for ourselves nor fOf sendiDI are outstanding as taves and income tax, foodgrains to you. 10 the entire counrry has ever been put behind the bars. two crops are grown every year, but ill our State only one crop is IJ'OWD. In whole of The Government provides loan to the the country, AsricuJturaJ Researcb CeDtre small farmers througb co-operatives, but ha ve been opened, but in Jammu .and tbe interest tb'!reon is cnarged at tb~ rate of Kashmir not even a sin,Je lucb Centre his 14 per cent per annum. If they are not been opened. • able to repay it in time, interest at tbe rate of 25 per cent and 10 per cent surcharge Ours is a cold and snowy resion, bue thereon is realised from tbem and In case of tbe climatic coodilions there and in tbe non-payment tbey are put bebind tb~ bars neighbourina Himacbal Pradesb are bOC iQ t" ~b.j1! Tt'0flC tba~ RUlliat ~mori~ ~d ~~, 337 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3.1908 (S.4KA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 338 These countries experience more severe cold crores of rupees, it bas a big foreign market than us. but because of the advanced also. Earlier, saffron used to be grown only science and technology, the agricultural in certain patches like Pampore in the State, yie1d is quite high there. The reason why but now, as a result of the latest develop- our State i. not progressing in agricultural ments in science and technology and the production is that it has not got the benefit hard work done by the scientists in tbe of scientific and technological experiments. State, it is being grown in other parts of the Therefore, I would request that one Agricult- Valley of Kashmir also. At present it is ural Research Centre should be set up in being produced in severa) parts of the Jammu and Kashmir wbich should engage it- Valley of Kashmir and the earHer concept self in research as to bow the maximLlm food- that it cannot be grown in other than grains could be produced in cold and snowy Pampore area has changed. If efforts are regions and should make available the made to increase the production of saffron results of the research to our State. I think I can assure you that the country can eam there should be no difficulty in setting up foreign exchange worth crores of rupees. It such a Centre there. So far no Research hus a market in Paris, Berlin and other big Centre has been set up in Jammu and countries of the world. When visitors from Kashmir, because you have not paid any those countries visit Kashmir, the most attention towards this. If production can sought after commodity by them is saffron. be increased by agricultural research in countries like America, Britainl Germany Through you, Sir, I want to submit one and Russia, where severe cold is experienced. thing more. There is not a single State i~he there is no reason why production cannot country where fertiliser plants have not been be increased in Jammu and Kashmir. I set up. The hone Minister has spoken much hope you will pay attention towards this on this aspect; Shri Natwar Singh bas also and will open an Agricultural Research dwelt on the subject. This bas given us the Centre in OUT State. encouragement that lot of things are happening in our country and we are pro- We have a very big problem. Apple is ducing so much t hat we are even going to grown in our State in abundance, but it gets export. But in Jammu and Kashmir, tiJI affected by a disease named 'scab'. This is date no fertiliser plant/has been installed. It oestroying and ruining our apple industry. is badJy needed there. Keeping in view the Growers there are facing a big difficulty due peculiar geographical and cJimatic conditions to this disease. The private sector has of the State, one plant must be set up found out a medicine 'D}tbene' to protect there. apple from tbis disease, put in the u'\e of this medicine scandal and embezzlement of I am grateful that you have provided crores of rupees has been committed. This me with an opportunity to speak and I medicine has Dot only not protected apple want that these problems s.hould be from 'scab', tbe production of apple bas solved. also suffered due to this. Therefore, I request the Government to embark upon a SHRI tv1.L. lHIKRAM (MandJa): Mr. research scheme to protect the yield of apple Speaker, Sir, I would like to express my froCj this disease. The appJe ;ndustry thanks to you for alloting me time to speak bas not only been affected in Jammu on the Demands for Grants (\f the Minisfry and Kashm:r. but it has been affected in of Agriculture. Himachal Pradesh also. Lakhs of people 'in these two States depend on this industry Sir, Agriculture is tbe mainstay of the Therefore, you should establish your own economy of the country and majority of plant to manufacture medicine which may be the peopJe depend on it. It gives employ- used in protecting the appJe crop so that ment to the large number of people. OUf the efforts to earn crores of rupees by the country bas made much progress in tbe private sector in this fielrl could be put to a last few years. 10 the 7th Plan we have halt. fixed a target of 4 per cent of increase in agriculture per year, but it is for those We also produce saffron. About this areas where irrigation and other agricultural commodity I would like to submit that this facilities are available. I would req~t lias .Qot only a domestic market wortb you tbat hiJJ areas should also be d4'Vcloped 339 D.G. (Gen.) 1986..87 APRIL 23, J986 D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 340 [Shrl M.L. Jhikram] good quality seeds for the aforesaid cereals, in tbe matter of agriculture. The hill invariably so tbat the farmers of the hiJIy areas are not making progress to the areas may take benefit of it and they may desired extent in so rar as agriculture make progress. In tbe hilly areas. no land is concerned 1 have been elected from a lease has been given to the farmers or bill area. I definitely know that plain forest villages. Hundreds and tbousands and even land is required for cultivation, of such cases are lying pending, with the but no thou~bt bas been given in tbis result tbe people are not able to cultivate respect in the hilly areas. Even if tbis properly. Altbough they are interested matter bas been discussed, nothing has in development, but tbey are under the been implemented. Secondly, irrigation constant fear of their land being taken is very important for the development away by tbe Government, and their labour of agriculture. Bu jn hilly areas neither being wasted. I would request that land dams. nor big ponds can be constructed. should be given on Jease to the people in However, small lift irrigation schemes billy areas. The crops of tbose farmers from the nullahs can be formulated, but wbo are living in forest vjJJages. should nothing has been done in this regard. In not be seized. my district at least twelve schemes are lyiD&"pending, which are aided by foreign I would like to submit to the hOD. countries. But It is a matter of regret Minister througb you. Sir. tbat tbe officers that administrative approval bas not been of Forest Department have declared cow IiYCo so far whereas we want speedy dung as a national wealth in Khargone development of agriculture in tbe backward district of Madbya Prade!'b whicb is areas, but no attention is being paid even astonishing and a matter of regret. The to such u~ful and welfare projects. In officers of tbe Forest Department have thi. connection I bave written to tbe State declared cow dung as a national wealth Government in respect of Kota Sangya and it has been seized. If such a thing Dam tbat it is very useful project for goes OD. tbe problems of the .., illager will this District and which is foreign aided increase. I would submit that this should and if it is completed, tbe percentage of be looked into and the cow dung should imption in tbis 'District would go up. not be treated as a national wealth. It is Just now only 3 per cent irrigation facility the asset and wealth of ty,e farmer. As is available there. The State Government regards afforestation I would like to make have intimated that another proposal has some points. The trees are being felled been l)ing pending in the Planning Commis- and the Forest Department is planting new sion which has not been approved as trees. What is the use of it? It will also yet. I would request tbat the Schemes increase pollution as well as affect raiDS formulated for this area should be consider- adverselt. I would submit that where ed sympathetically and immediately there are denuded hills, where there is not approved on priority basis so tbat hilly even a single tree, afforestation should be areas also enter 21st century with good done there. Similarly a huge chunk of land expectations. I request that whatever belonging to the big landlords in lying schemes are submitted for the progress unused and cultivation is not being done On of such backward areas to the Planning it. The Government should issue strict Commission particularly in respect of instruction 1hal such land should be put agricultural sector, which is backbone of to use. Witb these words. I convey my our economy sbould be approved Without thanks to you for giving me time to any delay 80 that bill areas could make speak. proarcss expeditiously. In tbis context mention bas been made tEnglilh) about tbe Agricultural Laboratories aod tak.ing Labs to tbe Land. In tbis connection SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI 1 wou\d like to say tbat coane grains (Sikkim) : Mr. Speaker, I am grateful to like K.odo, K.utak i, ramt.la etc. are grown you for 1{1ving me time to speak on tbe ill billy areas. Research should be conducted Demands for Grants of the Mjpistr)' of m. mpect of ~p ri~ldi~ varieties _,", A... k ... ltl.ll'c~ VAISAKHA 3, J908 (s"uJ4) I would like to mention the following Sikkim also produces ainler and few facts about my State of Sikkim in the total production is around 10,000 this regard. tonnes of ginger per aooum. The area and production of ginger bas gone up Tbe Central Ministry has directed all considerably during tbe last five years the State Governments to introduce crop whereas the price has been decreasing. This insurance scbeme from Kharif 1985. I feel bas greatly discouraged the farmers and this scheme is a good one. if properly the area under this crop is likely to come implemented, as It heJps farmers to insure down in the near future if the price for their crops so that they may oot suffer ginger does oot impro\e. In order to find losses in case of crop failure due to natural new markets for ginger there is an urgent calamities and incidence of diseases and need for ascertalDlDg tbe feasibility of pests. But this the crop insurance scheme exporting the same or marketing for covers only cereals. poIses and oiIseeds aod domestic use of the same. it will not be of any advantage to Sikkim unless cash and commercial crops The Ceotral Government has been are also included. Sikkim grows doing a lot for tbe socio-economic develop- some of the important cash crops, such as ment of tribals. In Sikkim also the tribal large cardamom, gmger, seed potato, orange population constitute about 23% of the and qt1'-season vegetables and these crops tOlal population and the North district have great importance and significance for has the largest concentration of tribals in improving the economic condition of local one pocket, although the tribal population farmers. Further, considering the p(culiar in three otber districts is more than the topographic and agro-climatIc situation of tribal population of North district. The Sikklm, priority ~hould be accorded to tlibals in diitricts other tban the North growing cash and commercial crops. The are scattered and concentrated in large State Government has al$o laid great number of pockets. Their economic stress for promoting tbe cultivation of situation is far more WOlse compared to crops like spices, fruits, tuber crops and those in North district. The State off-sea~on vegetables. The idea is to produce Government has been mak.ing high value and low volume crops so that all efforts to improve their economy with the farmers could make good income even very llmited resources, but it is not possible from small land holding. to assist such farmers with the available funds under Plan programmes .... Keeping these facts in view, it would be of grea( advantage to local farmers MR. SPEAKER: Mrs. Bbandariji. you if cash and commercial crops are give itlt be will add it. also included in crop insurance scheme so as to enable them to take full advantage AN HON. MEMBER A good rulina. of such a good scheme introduced by the Sir. Central Government. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: This Large cardamon is the fop!most makes it necessary to cover the tribal commercial crop of Sikk 1m, the area and farmers of East, West and South districts production arc 23,000 hectares and 3,OCO under Special Centra) ASlSistance Programme toones I espectively. This crop has immense so that they may also get the same benefits potentiality and fits in very well under as has been given to farmers of North agro-forestry system of land use. Further, district. These farmers have been there is ample scope for increasing the costantly pressing for such benefits and they area and production. The biggest constraint have alrea jy started feeling neglected. The in the development of this crop has been objective of the Special Central Assistance the tremendous fiuct uatioDs of prices as programme is to help tribals to improve a result of which many a time the farmers their economy and it is desirable to includo have to encounter distress saJe. It is, an the tribal farmers residing throuahout therefore, desirable to explore the possibi- Sikkim rather than concentrating only ill lity of exporting 'arse quantities of carda- one district. If this is flot done tben the rnofftJ so that the farmers wi)) be assured tribal farmers of other districts will lea of remunerative price. bebind in CQonomic development. ~43 D.G. (G~"•• ) 1986-111 saal PIYUS TIRAK Y (Alipurduar): any business or service or any ou..r work. Everybody in tbis House including yourself Tben be is pushed into aaricI.&llure. That calls himself a faTmer •••• means only illiterate or thotc who have DO other means come into aariCu)lure. In MR. SPEAKER : I do not call, Sir, but tba t wayJ if such sort of people are put to I am. agricuh.ure, tben how can expect improvement in agriculture 1 Most of the members have SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY : We say we spoken about the fixatioD of price for the represent tbe farmers iu this Hous~. SuH agncultural produces and they hiebliSbted the farmers' phgbt IS very ::-,onyt:d lD lbJS tbat the farmers are not getting the reason- country. The reason is ; what tbe GoverD- able price for tbe same. In tbis connection. ment should do first is the land reforms. I would like to suagest tbat the farmers Land reform is a must because those who should be taken into consideration; their are actuaJ tiUers bave velY lIuie land. representatives must be asked as to bow Those who are holoing lands are not at all much price the agriculturists should get for farmers, they are so-called farmers. their produces. Tbey have a good number of lands. That is wby in agriculture we ale still As far as tbe industry is concerned, tbe lacking ••• Management and the Government sit together. while fixing the price of tbe AN HON. MEMBER : Culture. lIh.1ustrial products, and tbey fix tbe price accordingly. Uo the contral")' tb. MR. SPEAKER Demand reforms in farmers are not even consulte4 other places also. as to how much prace tbey sbould get for lbeJI produce like jute, ri,,-e and wheat. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY Then Here, the ~linister and the officers sit COD.lk!cted with land reforms is irrigallon. together and lh~y fix the price for tbe So tbese two MiDl&tries-IuigatioD and agIlcultural produce arbitrarily. So, tbe Agriculture should get together and tbink gnevances of the farmers remain unrQsolved. over it as to bow to provide the facihtH::S In lhis connection, 1 would sU&gest 'hat tbe for irrigation to the farmers. farmers or their representatives should be given an opportunity to sit together and Secondly, we should Lave a need based fix the price. Then, tbey can get some agriculture. We know in every block how justice. In the industrial field, the many people are there. Then we should lDdustrialists are very mu~h involved in calculate how much rice, bow much eggs, fixmg the prIce for tbeir products. bow much meat, bow mucb pulses, etc. we So, I would like to ask as to wby not tbe need. That should be calculated and the farmers should also be involved while are production should be diverted on tbat hoe. price is fixed like other people? They tbe Then we can know bow much our country very m ucb neglected. needs. Now OUf Jiv ing standards are very low compared to other countries. Very Further, there is one demand which I few people get milk, eggs and otber would like to go on record. My demand essential foods which a person meaus every is tbat every Block should be provided day. It bas become a medicine for a big with at proof storage facilities where tbo percentage of our people. Indian people are farmers can keep their produce. Dot getting so mucb calories a human being Ilhould act every day. It is below tbe scale. MR. SPEAKER: Why yOU are Tboo&h we have acbieved self·sufliciency in repeating it ? He bas already covered food production, still what a person needs it. in terms of calories we arc still not getting. So our living standard is very low. So tbat SHRI PIYUS TJRAK Y : If jt is so, it bal to be improved. is all right. Then, one more point I would like to make. Every block should be Then agriculture, in our country t is provided with cold stora., lacilities r~rved for those who do not know aoy for the perisbable items wbich ....icultllrilts kind of profession or who does not have produce. VAISAKHA 3, 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986.. ' 34d MR. SPEAKER: Transportation for being exploited fully. The members bave perishable ftuits and vegetables ftom one not got any dividend for several years. place to anotber is allo necessary. The Special Officers appointed by tbe State Government to manage the cooperative SHR.I PIYUS TIRAKY: Finally I sugar mills under supersession also behave would like to make one suggestion. Food in an autocratic manner. In Ambur susar procesSJD8 10 tbe small scale Industry and mill recently 1 lakh bags of iugar has been poultry and in the hke fields, tbere should sold at a price which is 30% below the be tralDlDg facilities for tbem. ~Ibe Police prevailing market pnce. Naturally tbe need trainlDg; the cncketeers need trainlDg. bugarmlll runs uno~r a Joss. 1. he Special So, every block must have a training centre Officers do not take any mterest to run to educate tbe farmers about the new these mills effectively. technologies tbat arc available. That if my request. 1 hope the hone Minister, There is no meaning in continuing witb perhaps, will thInk over It. this kmd of aimle~s behaviour of sugarmiJl owners. Several years ago the Central Government appointed Bhargava Commission to investigate into these malpractices and make suggestions for improving the sugar *SHRJ R. JEEV ARA THINAM Industry. This Bhargava Commission (Arakk.onam) : Hon. Mr. Speaker, SIf, in recommended the natlODalhatlon of sugar support of tbe Demand lor Grants of tbe industry. In thiS House also there were Mmistry of Agnculture and Cooperation several discussions about the recommenda- for 1986-87. I wlsb to make a few tions of Bhargava Cornmu.sion. So far suuestaoDS. thiS r~ommeDJation of Bhargav. Conlmisslon has not }tet been implemented. For the termmal year of 7th Five Year ] am sure that our competent Mmister of Plan, tbe target of food production bas been Agliculture, Shri Buta Singb, will fixed at 180 million tonnes. But for natior-alise the sugar industry as recommend- 1986-87 no target of productIOn bas been ed by the Bharsava Commission. Tben fixed for oil seeds, cotton, jute and only tbe sugar industry will become profit- sUiarcane. The production of oil seeds and able. luprcaoe sbould be given as much importance as the production of foodgrains. In Tamil Nadu there ale only two Then only we will be able to avert the Regional Rural Banks. I demand tbat a import ot oil seeds. We will be able to Reglonal Rural Bank sboulj be set up in produce more sugarcanc, whIch in Pallipattu, which is in my constituency. consequence will result in higber YIeld of Before I concJ ude, I would point out that sugar. We can then export sugar in in many Slates tpe cooperative societies are substantial quantity. I want tbat adequate under supersession. There are also many attcntion must be paid to the production of loopholes in the State Cooperative Acts. oil seed! and sugarcane. Another 1 be Central Government has recently important issue is tbe existence of appointed a Committee to look into tbese malpractices in tbe sugarmilJs, whether loopholes and suggest guidelines f OT the the) are in the private sector or in the amendment of State Cooperative Acts. cooperative sector. The man_sement of I request that the recommendations of this .ugarmills do Dot Jive the scheduled prices Committee should be implemented by tho to tbe sugarcane cultivators. They owe State GovemmeDts and the State Coopera- teveral lakbs of rupees to sugarcane tive Jaws must be made potent instruments cultivatoJ'l. I would like to refer to my of action. j would take this opportunity personal experience with a sUlarmill in the to suggest that the cooperative institutions cooperative lector. must be entrusted to well-trained professioDaI mangement. There is a augarmill in cooperative sector io Ambur in Tamil Nadu. This is With tbese words I conclude my speech • • The speech was originally delivered in Tamil. 341 D. G. (a.n.) 1*-81 APRIL 23. 1985 SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanamkonda) : and sells it at the rate of Ra. 7 per ka. Itl Mr. Speaker, Sir, we feel elated after seeing cost comes 10 RI. 7 per kg. aDd then you give pbotos in tbe report which bas been given ~ubsidy on tbe ~ceds at the rate of Rs. 3 per to us by the bon. Minister. Wht:n tbe kg. J tal! to understand that wben the wOIDCn and farmers relurn tbelt bomes S\!eds (.;OlpOJ8taon purcba~~s seed at tbe bringing grains from their fields, they feel rate oj Rs. 5 pc:r kK. and sells it at the rate Ileat satisfaction. But when they take thelC of Rs. 10 per kg, whether Ibis increase of foodgrains to tbe market for sale, they Rs. 5 per kg. is due to bringing it to tb. returD from the markets virtually in tears ... godown and tben taking it out of it. Tbis (InterrUpllon.) IS w rODg and such tbing should not take place. You call It a economic pncc. You MR. SPEAKER : They look good in say that subsidy IS beinl provided OD this veil. Item. but you are increasing its rate from SHRl C. JANGA REDDY: Sir, )OU Rs. 5 to Rs. lU. In tbis way money is are perfectly rigbt. They look lxautaful in belOg wattted. ThiS sbould not bappeD. veil. We are palOed very much wben we We sbould provide benefit to tbe farmer. see them weeping. The farmer has to I would request that our bon. Minister, suffer loss in every respect. So, attention Mr. Speaker and eighty per cent of the should be paid towards his sufferings. Members have agricultural background. So sufficient time should be allotted for J would like to submit througb you, Sir, discussion on the problems of farmers. tbat tbe Government fixes a lo\\>cr price for We sit bere from 1 J o~c]ock in the morning sugercane, but imports sugar from other till 9 o'cloek in tbe nigbt. But when countries. SlIDllaIly olheed is aho imported discussion on tbis Issue IS takeD uP. we find at cbeaper rates, but It is sold here at tbat we have no time for it. The bon. bigher prices. The money \\bicb is u~ed Mmilter bas no time whereas there is for Importing these commodities should be sufficient time to speak on otber demands utilised for tbe productlon of these things for grants. in the country itself so that the farmer may prosper and also all these thlDgs could be Mr. Speak.er, Sir, I should like to know &rown here. from the bOD. Minister as to what is his Sir, we spend Rs. 780 crore for tbe pohc), in rel8rd to ground nut and cotton ? import of sugar and otber commodities. COli on is sold at a lower rate. but tbe Sugar is imported at tbe rate of Rs. 225 per cloth made from cotton is sold at hiaher qUintal and IS sold here at tbe rate of rates. The potatoes are 50ld at cheaper Rs. 600 per quintal. In this way the money rates, whereas chips made from potatoes wbich is used for importing these commodi- are sold at bisher prices. Similarly ties should be ~pent for impr(;ving the lot of tomatoes are sold at cheaper rate. but tbe farmers. We import oil worth Rs. 1300 Ketchnp etc. made out of it are sold at crores from other countries, but you say higher rates. 1 would like to know as to tbat you bave no Dhlney for dry farming to what steps the boo. Mmister bas taken or be undert~ken in the country. Then you he is going to take in this regard? WbeD say tbat tbe couDtr), is self-sufficient. You the agricultural product turns out from the import coconut 011, edible oil, sugar etc. factory in a changed form, it is sold at Wbat is tbe rea~on of it? The r~ason so rates whicb are 1 SO to 200 per cent hi&her far I have understood IS that the farmer tban the prices paid to tbe farmers. What does Dot get remunerative price of bis is tbe reason of it? Tbe main reaSOD is produce so be is not taking interest in tbat there is 00 co-ordination between tbe agricultural work.. It is. therefore. the commerce and Food Ministries. You necessary tbat tbe money, which is spent do not think about tbe interest of ,be for importing aU these commodities, sbould producer aDd tbe consumer, but you be spent here for the betterment of tbe take care of tbe interests of industrialists farmers in our country so tbat they may be oo]y. encouraaed in their work. I would like to tell the House throulb Sir, tbe National Seeds Corporation you. Sir, tbat Dot even one per cent of the purchases seed at tbe ratc of Ri. 5 per q. total outlay is beiDI SpeDt in rural areas and 349 D.O. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 350 the farmers are not gettiol even 20 per cent country? Sir, the Government bas, in fact, of what they should have lot. Tbis failed miserably to tackle these problems. anomaly bas to be removed. Only then the Tbere is no decrease in the poverty in our condition of farmers and agriculture could villages. In fact, the living standards of be improved. our people in rural areas are falJing down considerably. The smalJ and poor farmers Sir, I am thankful to you for giving me are now turning into agricultural labourers. time to express my views. It shows how much affected OUf farmers are by the poverty. In repJy to roy question ·SHRI B.N. REDDY (Miryalguda): No. 7J 80 dated 21st April, 1986 tbe Mr. Speaker, Sir, since the time at my hon. Minister for Labour has stated disposal is very limited, I will be very brief tbat : and contiol" myself to a coupJe of points. I will conclude my speech before you ring hOne of the major objectives of the Five the bell. Year Plan is emplo) ment generatioo. Sir, tbere is a saying in Telugu which (EmpJo},ment means major empJo}ment like means that there is no food for the one who rural employment) Full details of tbe provides food. Farmer is the man who funds alJocated for the purpose are Dot available. provjd~ food. Ours is the country of farmers. Majority of our countryman are Tbat is one answer. The other answer farmers or farm workers. It is a pity tbat is: According to tbe 6th Five Year Plan the farmen who toil round the clock document, about 12 million persons in tbe througbout the year to grow food in order age group of 5+were usually unemployed to feed tbe countrymen bave no food to eat. in March 1980. In the 7th Plan document. So poor they are. The main reason for the tbe usual status of unemployment estimate poverty of the farmers in tbe country is in the same age group bas been indicated that the 37 years of Congress rule in the as 9.2 miflion in March 1985." It means country bas done virtually nothing for their that the figure has came down from 12 m. benefit. No remunerative prices were persons to 9.2 millions in 5 years of time. otl"ered to tbe agricultural produce. As Sir. this is not a major achievement. These thougb tbis is not sufficient the Government has not been much improvement in imposed various levies and taxes to break providing employment to the unemployed. the back of farmers. The Government had It also indlc8tf"S that there is no improve- concentrated only on industries and provided mellt in rural empto~ ment. The unemploy- good prices for industrial products to enri.:h mtnt is increasing day by day in our tbe already rich industrialists. The Govern- countryside. The Government claims to ment policies favoured the capitalists. These be spendmg huge amounts to generate rural wrong policies of tbe Government have redu- employment. But instead of decreasing, the ced the farmers to the bone and marrow. rural unemployment has been on the Now tbe position Is that farmers are facing increase. starvation. Sir, the Government bad come out with soOt\! statistics regarding generation The claim for employment generation of employment in rural India. The Govern- from 1985 to 1986 was 1 65 million man ment claims tbat it i! spending huge years to 2 million man years. But amounts for creating jobs in our rural now almost 5 miHbn man years are areas. Similarly. the Government says unemployed. That means 5 million man tbat it is spendinr huge amount on poverty years of unemplo\'ment is there. Majority aIJeviation programmes. But how about of these unemployed are the rural un- the results? How for did the Government employed. This we have to keep in mind. luc:cecd in creating employment and Has the amount spent for generating 8neviatiDa poverty? Can this Government employment yielded any fruits? Has the claim any success in this relard? Similarly unemployment come down as a result of the CAD tbis Government claim any success in efforts made bv tbe Government? What its efForts to reduce unemployment in tbe is the present ratio between tbese two? The .TJlf IpttQb wa,I oriJip.U), denver", in TelUfu, '~51 D.G. (G••• ) 191Jt6.87 APRIL 13. 1986 D.O. (0.... ) 19M-8, 352 ISbri B.N. Reddy] PROF. N. O. RANOA: Sir, we protelt Government is not able to clear the position. against this kind of aUotmeot of time. To say that the Government is spending Agriculture is the mOlt important huge amount for generaticn of employment is thing. just an eye wash and a camouflage to cover the failures of the Government. MR. SPEAKER: Prof. Ranaa, the boot is rather on the other leg. The time Sir, now 1 will come to the last point. allotted was much morc. The time was It is about IRDP programme. It is said misused for unproductive things. that as much as Rs. 6000 croTes had been distributed through banks as loans during S. BUTA SINGH: Sir, I am thankful to tbe period between 1980 and 1986. But, you for providing this opponunity to this Sir, 30% of the bc:neficiaries have no august House to discuss tbe most important permanent assets. P~rrnanent ac;sests had aspect of Our national life. Agriculture is DOt been created in tbe case of these 30% not only an occupation for the farmers and beneficiaries. Either they had disposed off the peasants but also is the very lource these assets or ahandoned. This is the of sustaining the life our country. Tbe position today of the assets created by kisans provide food Dot only to our bUIlUtD Banks Joans. Without providing tbem with population but also to all the other beiDP, livelihood on which they can rely on, the namely, animals. birds etc. Anytbiag Government believes in distributing cattle whicb is living is fed by tbe farmers. There- etc. and claims of providing livelihood. It fore, tbjs is the most important aspect of is an il1usion if the Government thinks that our national life and I am thankful to tbe it will succeed in alleviating poverty in rural hon. Members for having given their India by distributing a few goats and suggestions on tbe mOlt important issue tbat bufallows here and there. sustains life in our country. The implementation of radical land Sir, ] will be very brief in my r,-ply. reforms is necessary. It is also necessary I would first of all like to place the balance to provide emp1o~ menl. Land reforms CRn sheet of the achievements of aariculture in create lot of ernplo,;ment potential. But the country which bas been described in land reforms bave become a disgraceful tbe AnnuaJ reports pcrtaininl to Agricul- failure under tbe Congress regime. I would ture, Rural Development, Fertilisers and declare. It has become a disgraceful drama. other allied subjects which arc covered and It is in fact strengthening the capitalist land served by the Ministry of Aaricuhurc. But, lordism, I would say, Sir, this is all tbat I Sir, some of tbe hon. Members raised want to say. certain basic issues on wbich I would like to touch whilo! preseoging the balance .. sheet [English] of tbe achievements made by the Ministry of AgricuJture. THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (S. BUTA SINGH) : Mr. Speaker, 'iir, we Sir. a very significant cbaDlc bas been always avail of the guidance tbat }OU made in the allocation of sources. In the provide to tbis august House and to tbe Sixth Plan tbe allocation or the sources for country from time to time. Today espe- agriculture was more in the Central Plan cially. Sir, I wish to pJace on record our than in tbe State Plan. In tbe Sixth Plan Ifatude on behalf of the millions and mi1- tbe total allocation was RI. 4900 crores ltotw of ram~era and peasants of this country out of wbich Rs. 2900 crores were in tbe to tbis aUJust House for having taken at State Plao aDd Rs. 2000 ClOret in tbe lalt the Demands for Grants of tbe Ministry Central PI aD whereas in tbe Seveath Plan of A.riculture. I was not-very sure that out of a total allocation of RI. 7214 crO(es, these Demands will be taken up because Rs. 4314 crores have bceo aUoca&ed to the way v.e were proc«ding !t bad become tbe State sector aDd only 1\1. .2700 crore' alll\0St impossible but) realise with yoqr to tbe Central ~lor. This Ibows t),at indulgence and with your personal eft"ons we are tryin. to place more and more the Deman~s and Orants bave beeD tflkep reliance on tbe effort. of tbe States. W. llP! ~ .I~tl.. reore.~ .-" of 1~. t9 353 D.G. (Gtn.) 19'6-87 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 354 the Stat.. so as to enable hem to increasethe Kg. per hectare. In maize production. agricultural production in this country. This it is about 1830 KgI. in Punjab whereas In is a very sianific8nt change so far as giving Karnataka, it is 2719 Kg. per hectare. This priority to tbe agricultural development also shows the efforts made by tbe Agri- in the States as well as in the Central culture Ministry, by the State Governments, Sector i, concerned. Aloog with this, I would in attempting to increase tbe yield of our like al&o to take a little pride in presenting crops which have been evenly distributed before this august House some of the facts. although certain crops are specialised in The hone Member from Bihar raised a certain States. For example, Maharasbtra question tbat notbina bas happened in the specialises in sugarcane, Tamil Nadu field of agriculture. He was questioning the specialises in sugarcane and Karnataka very idea of agricultural develoment. specialises in maize. Therefore, there bas The States know about this; the whole been an attempt on the national scale to country knows it and the worle over it is see tbat this progress i~ evenly distributed. known tbat it is an established fact that we But it is also a fact that we have now bave made tremendous progress in tbe field recognised that in certain parts of tbe 01 aaricuUural development. If you look country, specially the Eastern Sector- at tbe per bectare yield of some of the Bihar, Orissa, West Bengal, Assam and crops, this wi)) go a long way to establish other Sta tes-has not done so well as they tbat we bave really revolutionised the should have done. Thorefore, we are ha.ing method of cultivation in our country. other projects for increasing the yield in that sector. Now, having done that, In 1950, tbe per hectare yield in rice I would a1so like to mention that some was 600 Kg. This has now touched near of the hone Members have raised certain about 1500 Kgs. or round about the points. I wou1d like to start with tbe figure. It is an average. If you look at first hon. Member, Shri Ramacbandra lome of the progre~sive States which have Reddy who initiated the debate. He was done very well, like Haryana, Punjab, very critical about the NREP programmes. aod Andhra Pradesh you will find that in He was not correct in gIving the figures (or Punjab, rice yield bas risen from 608 Kgs. allocations for NREP programmes. I would to 3063 Kgs. Does it not show tbat like to inform the House that in the 6th tbi' is a real revolution? Similarly, in the Plan, the outlays were Rs. 1620 crores; case of wheat, the per hectare yield was it was including the State sbare. In tbe about 663 KIIS. and it bas now reached 7th Plan, it is Rs. 2481 crores. In the 1873 Kgs. taking the average of the whole very first two years of the 7th PlaD~ the country. Again in Punjab, it is 3284 Kgs, outlays have heftn Rs. 565 crores in 1985- perhaps it is the record which has been 86 and Rs. 670 crores in 1986-87. established by the cauntr). Some hon. Therefore. this also goes to establish that Members were very much concerned about we are giving much more importance to tbe rcgional imbalance, imbalance. inter-crop the poverty alleviation programmes in Yes, it bas come to our notice. These the country. imbalances will have to be removed aod we arc making special efforts to see that Then, we have also drawn special plans lome parta of our country specially tb~ in specified areas, as my coJ1eagues Shri Eastern side, tbe Southern aide and tbe yogendra Makwana and Shri Natwar Singh Western side will also get due attention. have very successfully explained some of But it is not true tbat if you look at tho the highlights. I would not like to repeat croppina pattern, in the case of certain because those subjects have been covered crops. tbe Northern region has dODe well by th~m. Shri Makwana gave the infor- and in certain other crops. Southern region mation on dairy farming. fishencs. about bas done wen. Take for example cottOD. mitigating tbe difficult conditions by the Now, in Nortb-Bast. cotton yield is about natural calamities and other things. I 18S Kg- per beetare. But in Andbra would like to confine myself only to some Pradesh, it is 363 Kls. per beetarc. of the thrust areas in which the Government Similarly, I would like to refer to the of India is very much keen to see tbat tbe proar"iYe State iu tbe case of sugarcane. overall improvement in the rural develop- 10 *0 North. it is about 62.25 Ka. per ment aDd in tbe agriculture is achievc4 ~,. But io Tamil Nadu. it is 104.2 wit bin a specified period. ~55 D.O. (Gell.\ 19116-87 APRIL 23. 1986 It.G. (Gen.) 1986-87 35CS (S. Buta Sinshl which is an advanced country, JapaD, tbe size of tbe farm in some cases is less tban We bave made botb these programmes two hectares, Jess than ODe hectare. under the rural development and agriculture It is the scientific approach, application complementary to each other. Earlier, of technology to tbe unit tbat they were being taken independently, but is under your occupation, that makes it now we are trying to dovetail the schemes possib1e to increase tbe per hectare yield under rural development with tbe agriculture, from the area. wbether it is soil conservation or it is poveny alleviation, or it is creating more PROF. N. G. RANOA: Lab to Land jobs in the rural areas. They wilt now campaign must be made permanent. be based more on the agricultural extension schemes so that tbe benefits go to the S. BUTA SINGH: That is rigbt aDd develop~ent of agriculture through the we are doing it. rural development schemes. As I was IDCntionin., prOlf'ClS in the It is a question of using the available agriculture field bas bc-en quite encouraainl. technology within our country. A very But for tbese drought years which have little of the technology available which has intervened and which are continuing for been created through tbe hard work of our tbe last four or five years, we would have scientists and research institutes, has been overshot tbe targets tbat we have fixed for transferred to the rural areas. I was told ourselves. But unfortunately, we could not by our scientists that about forty per cent do 60 because of tbe difficult conditions of the technology that we have been able created by the weatber. whether it is floods to achieve within the country is applied at or droughts. And mostly it is because of tbe moment; sixty per cent of tbe technology drougbt. As my distinguished coUeasue. available is yet to be transferred to the Sbri Yogendra Makwana just DOW mentioned. farmers so as to make them capable of a large number of our States are reeling increasing tbe productivity in their fields. under drought and tbat too for tbe Jast four years, witb the result that the under .. There has been some criticism about pround water table bas almost disappeared producing tbe re~ults of the modern methods aod it is impossible for our kisans to draw of cultivation. )f you want to see the on the water because they do not have effect of it, Punjab or Haryana is a case in the - implements. Through traditional sight, Pllnjab, which is leading the country methods they cannot reach to tbe level to in modem cultivation, has established tbat which water has disappeared. Therefore, more and more moderanizatioD. appJying we are supplying special rip to those States more and more technology to tbe field which are now suffering from drought. brings more and more jobs. Look at the number of people that we are now seeing Even then, tbe mOlt heartening feature being deployed in the farmers' fields; the of tbis wbole development is tbat our far- people from Bihar, UP, Rajasthan etc. mers whether tbey are under rain-fed Tremendous opportunities of employment conditions or when tbey are facing drouahts are thrown. It is only through tbe efforts of very very severe nature, are able to tbat you bring in the latest technology, job produce enough. The fall in production opportunities are widened. as compared to tbe earlier periods is not much because our scieDtists have made it There is another ill'pression which I possible to develop certaiD kinds of seeds would like to dispel, and that is that and to have better man_sement and appli- certain people believe that smaller tbe cation of inputs and usage of water In .l1li. size of the farm. tbe Jesser chances of using That fs why our Iduos are able to lustalD modern technology. This is not correct. even in the r mOlt difficult areal. In lbe In Puujab, as you know. more tban fifty earlier yean. when there was droupt, five per cent of the farmers have Jess than production bad fallen by 22 million tODDel five acres of land and look at tbe achieve- because of just ODe year·, drouabt. Now ment of tbe Punjab farmers. It is DOt 'We are havinJ droupt fot more tbaa four 00]1 the ,ize of tbe farm. If you look years. The production bas 'allen ia ODe towards'~ peipbo,,"n, countri.. , Korea ltllta~ \ly about 3 millioo toDDOI 1D4l1' ~5' D.O. (Ge".) 1986-81 VAISAKHA 3. 1908 (SAKA) D.G. (Gen.) 1986.87 3S. the second iostance by about (; mHlion ture or from the Wasteland Board are to toanes. This shows that through the take care of this. The Wasteland Board application of science and with the initia- has been established and our bon. Prime tive of our scientist., we bave been able to Mjnister persooalJy has taken interest in sustain aDd even undor the most difficult these two natural resources. He bimself conditions our farmers are able to produce has beaded tbe panels for pre~rving these onouah. two natural resources~ water and soil. At the same time, there is DO doubt tbat About water, the hone Member had tbis ti'tnc io the irrigatcd areas we arc going asked ... to have a record production, an all time bigh record production of wheat and rice. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY: He bas asked for Water-shed :rvlanagement. It is a This is another tbing 00 wbich I would like our kisans to be congratulated by tbis august soiJ conservation. House because they are the real ones who S. BUTA SINGH: 'Yes', there is an are sustaining lifo in our country. all-India Board for Watershed Management Now these are some of the areas in which is taken up special for dry land which we must continue our efforts. Hon. areas. Now, Sir, we are trying to increase member Sbri Sinba bas raised a very every year, the irrigation facilities in the important question about soil conservation. country and we are adding about 2.S No doubt, this is a most important aspect million hectares of irrigation potentials of our farming. Wc arc, at the moment, every year. This itself is more tban the devoting our attention to maintain tbe area-irrigated area-m Australia and a few other South-A&ian countries put quality of OUf soil. Soil erosion and soil to- degradation in our country are colossal. gether. However, the unscientific and Upto tbe end of tbe Sixth Plan, a total indifferent manner of the reservoirs and of about 29.38 minion hectares was attended the canals led to extensive water-logging and to and an expenditure of Rs. 1,212.29 crores inefficient use of precious water. Look at bas been incurred. All types of soil bave tbe extent of the problem. We are only been treated and water conservation able to utilise the 10 per cent of the measures botb under thc Central and State precipitations in al1 the aspect~ whether it secton have been taken. This covers about is agriculture, industry, drinking water, 17 per cent of tbe total problem area. Now ground water replenishment. This is a Sir. in tbe total Plan, we are also having huge colossal wastage. 90 per cent of the our plan to treat tbe degradation of soil. precipitations is going waste, which should A taraet for treating about 22.71 million be engaging our attention and we arc doina hectares was proposed in the Seventh Plan. it. Therefore, we shall have to prepare This would require huge amounts of money. a national plan for taking care of tbese But, because of tbe constraint, of funds, natural resources and tbe Government of it bas been pos ible to allocate only Rs. India, in collaboration with the Ministry of 740.19 crores. And about seven million Water Resources, are very keen to see that bectares of land will be treated during tbe this very scare, very valuable resource is put Seventb Plan period. Therefore Sir, our to the best usc. Also, at tbe same time, we are trying to optimise the land use under continuous endeavour will be to improve the b6alth of the soil because soil and water cultivatioo. Our efforts is to increase the are tbe two natural assets. croppiog intensity from 118 per cent to 130 per cent in the dry land areas and 150 per SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: What cent to 200 per cent in tbe irrigated areas about Water-Sbed Management? through National Crop Planning, Water S. BUTA SINGH: At the moment, Management as well as extension of market- I am talkinl aabout soil. I will come to ing. Sir, my distinguished colleague, Shri water also leter OD. SO, tbis is a natural Yogendra Makwana, has dealt with the asset, whicb cannot be stretched. We have activities in tbe animal husbandry field. We to see tbat tho health of tho soil is not are trying to see tbat in the Seventh Plao. allowed to deteriorate. Therefore, all the we are able to produce our target of 160 proarammes. whether it is from the Ministry million tonoes of foodgrain5, as mentioned of Forest or from the Ministry of Water by my distinguished collcaauc Shri I\.ources or from tbe Ministry of Aaricul- Natwar Sinab. We have draWD a plao 35' D.G. (Gen.) 1986-31 APiUL 23, 1986 b.O. (b,II.) 1985";' ~ (s. Buta Singh] SHRI V. SOBHANADREBSWARA RAO: Tobacco and chillies also. towards the end of the century also and we have geared ourselves, whether it is inputs S. BUTA SING H : We will put it up like, fertilizers, programme for producing to the Finance Ministry, naturally, because high-yielding variety seeds, pesticides, irri- we want funds. gation facilities. We are improving our- selves to see that our people. do not have For the first time, cotton, sugarcane to look for foodgrains and our country is and fruits are proposed £0 be covered Udder not only self-sufficient, but we are able to pro- tbe scheme, from Kbarif. 1986. duce surplus enough. Sir, the agriculture ex- port itself is a remarkable record. In tbe last We are also tryina to amend tbe laws year, our export performance bas been 10 relating to seeds and insecticides. to ensure per cent over the previous years. Whereas not only efficient supply, but also to see tbe total export in the country is forecast to that the quality is maintained, 80 that tbe have increased by 3 to 4 per cent or so, farmers get good service from the inputs. agriculture export itself has recorded 10 per cent increase, which is quite appreciable, PROF. N.G. RANGA : That is where and we will continue to double it in the adulteration has to be prevented. years to come. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY MR. SPEAKER : 1 know that you can (Nalgonda) : The defaulters should be treated do it and much more can be done about it. on par with adulterators in food products. By your efforts, you can just multiply it. The present Act is not good. I t should be What about fruits and other products ? on par with the Food Adulteration Act. s. BUTA SINGH : Sir, I am coming to S. BUTA SINGH: That is why we tbat. For future of agriculture exports, we are trying to amend the laws, to make tbem are looking towards horticulture, which is more stringent. Your suggestions will be again a very rich field we have not been available at the time tbe amendment able to make a major break-through put comes, so that the guilty is brought to we are looking forward for making a major book, and tbe farmers are not cheated; break-through in tbat field. whether it is pesticides, fertilizen or insecticides, we are going to make tbe laws As I mentioned, the irrigation potential more stringent, 50 that tbe kisan is not will have to be increased. Therefore, we exploited. are giving much more importance to the problems of irrigation; and tbe total As mentioned by some of the bon. assistance is of the order of Rs. 470 crores. Members, we are also proposing to brioa of which about Rs. 410 crores are towards a long-term policy for aaricu ltural pricca. minor imptioD-which means that tbe So far, tbere has been a policy from crop weaker sections among tbe Kisans, the to crop. But the Prime Minister bas given poorer Kisan5, will get much more assis- us a direction tbat we must brine a 1008- tance-as compared to major irrigation term policy, so tbat tbe Carmers are also which is very heavily capital-intensive. able to plan tbeir crops much in advance, Similarly, about Rs. 240 crores on and also they are able to work out tbe national dairy development projects will economy for crops that they would like prove bow special attention to moisture to grow. conservation and careful choosing of crop PROF. N.G. RANOA It should combinations would increase production. cover the COlts. So. we are tryin. to see that the compre- hensive crop insurancc scheme is extended. BUTA SINOH : That will be buis. Already, tbe hone Finance Minister bas s. It will be aD Aaricoltural Pricel qree.d to extend the scheme to some of eomm ... lion OD Costs and Prices. tbe crops under horticulture, cotton crops aDd some of the crops whicb are DOW aroWD HOD. Members Narayan Cbaubey. in dle dryland sector. the last Member aDd lome or the boa. VAlSAKRA 5, 19GB (SAKAl D. MembeR were vet)' critica1 about land SRRI ABDUL RASHID KABUL): reforms. Land reform Is Dot only a question Laod was giveD to the tillers in lamma of IOCIat justice, but it is tbe major vehicle and Kashmir as early as in 1948. Wby for removina poverty from rural areas. did not the other States do it ? U bas been agreed by almost all the BUTA SINGH : Having said tbat, Ministers in charge of Revenue Departments s. I was trying to only highlight what bas In the States; in the last mee~iDg that I been declared sarplus under various lan. bad ~D Delhi, tbey bad agreed to give (Interruption.) the topmost importance to tbe issues rolatiD& to land reform. There was a con- MR. SPEAKER : PJease don·l waste sensus on some of the issues, and on the my time. point that land reforms would be tak.en (Inter ruptionJ) up for implementation more vigorously. S. BUTA SINGH : What has been I will not like to join issue with Sbri declared as surplus area, bas Dot been Cbaubey and tbe bon. Members from West distributed. A question regarding a large Bengal, because tbey were not only portion of this area is still banging in vociferous, but they extended their support various courts including tbe Supreme Court; to mc. and it is for this reason that I would and every effort bas been made to see that, not like to place certain very inconvenient somehow or otber. this very important statistics in this House, before those programme is circumvented. There are Members. We bad expected from a party States where land records are not available which professes to be Marxist, that tbey and in very very big States, Stetes bigger would implement the land reforms; but than any number of countries; land records unfortunately, tbeir picture is no dif!erent. are not available; land records are Dot (Int t!r,upt; 0116) allowed to be entered. (/n/~,rupl;Ons) If I name all tbe States, then the time left at SARI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY my disposal will be finished. Therefore. (Katwa) = Most of the 50% of distributed I would urge upon tbe hone Members and land is in West Benpl. (Interruption.J) More seek full cooperation of all the political thaD SO per cent of the land is in West parties which have agreed to tbis national Bengal. That should go on record. programme to see tbat this programme is (Interruptions) given a serious thought and due imponance. MR. SPEAKER : Mamataji, please sit We wi)) go a long way. Here there is DO down. I would like just to add one tbins. question of Congress Party or this party: Land reform is woll, but there sbould be it is a question of nationaJly accepted aome .'ealtb reform also. Everywbere it policy programme for which there is DO should be applicable, not in one place. political gain. This is one policy. TMre is no political difference upon which we (lnte,ruptloru) have to see that the tillers of tbe land, Poorer kisans, tbe small farmers, peasants S. BUTA SINGH : The nation bas are also given a right to Own tbe land accepted tbe land reforms 8S the pru whicb tbey till; on this there cannot be mantra for tbe real amelioration of the any question. millions and millioDs of landless people In this country; tbat i. wby there is always Now, Shri Kabuli wanted to know • question tbat wby an issue lite this bas something about apples. So far as apple DOt beoD viaoroualy implemented in this scab is concerned, we bad a meetin. only couotry so far. (ll1l,""",ioIIs) last week of tbe specialists from Jammu aod Kashmir. from Himachal Pradesh and SHR.l SAlFUDDIN CHOWDHARY: all the scientists available with tbe GO'VClll- You have to tell us.{IIIIIt"r."io",) ment of India. here top officers. they haft s. BUTA SINGH: I was lOinl into been able to assess the situation; they haft tile quesdoe of impJemeotatioD perf'onraaoce. been able to see tbe dimension of tbe (,,,,.,,,,,,,,/(113) problem and tbe team will be visitiD8 Jammu and Kashmir soon with • pack..., of SRIU C. JANOA REDDY : WIl, are schemes to undert1lke, and aU oat attack '" .... urbao ~? UIII,""""rJII8) OD Oris acab •.•. (1IIIm"IU"'_") ~63 D.O. (Gea.) IN6.81 APIUL 2', 1986 D.O. (0••• ) 1986.81 364 SHRJ ABDUL llASHID KABULI : brinaiDl any .tind or social cbanaea iD our It is serious. country. If tho pauchayati raj .y.tem i. strool it can help us in idontifying benefi- s. BUTA SINGH: It is serious in ciaries for rura) deveJopmont. Tbey can help Himachal Pradesh; it is serious in Jammu us in implementina some of tbe very im- and Kashmir. It is serious in Uttar Pradesh. portant schemes which we have evolved for Therefore. we bave already identified areas; developing tbe rural economy. we have also identified the solution; tbere is DO dearth of solution; and this disease is Similarly, in the cooperative sector, curabJe. Tberefor~ we will make an effort again, unfortunately the health of the to see tbat tbe apple crop is very important cooperative is worse. Over 80 per cent of both for the national economy as well as tbe primary cooperatives societies are not for tbe health of the people. The aerm in a position to stand on their own, Prof. plasma of the apple crop in our country Ranga bas aiven a very 100d suggestion tbat is very very old and we are trying to get we should organise service cooperatives some of the best german plasmas feom any- wbich should serve the aaricuJturists by where in the world and we will try to see giving them loan service, etc. Similarty that tbis plantatioo is replaced gradually so Sbri Awastbi was very keen tbat We shouJd tbat our farmers, growers can also have tbe be channelising tbe major input I.e. loao best germ plasma available in the world. througb cooperative societies. If you look at the bealth of the cooperative societies at The issues that some bon. Members tbe moment in some of tbe States, tbe have raised are of tbe nature of certain State level cooperative societies are not in problems in tbeir respective States. No tbat posifion. They arc even disqualified doubt, we have got the suggestions made by for getting any loan from NABARD becau4Je tbe boo. Members and we will take all steps their performance, bas beeD very bad in tbe to see that their suggestions are given due past. Tberefore, it is high time that o~r attention aud we will try to implement tbe Cbief Ministers aod State Governments sugestiODS made by hOD. Members. address lbemselves to Ibis in order to sec that the cooperative societies arc given One bon. Member raised a very im- their due share and they are able to play portant issue so far as the dev\!lopment of tbc,r role in the development of the society. tbe rural areas is concerned and that is pancbayati raj and cooperative system. No These were some of the issues wbich rural development or agricultural develop- tbe bon. Members bad brought forward. meot for that mauer, can take place uoless I am sure, the august Hous. will appreciate tbe involvement of the people throub their tbe acbievement tbat tbe Agriculture Ministry elected representatives, whether through has been able to make. But as I started pancbayati raj or through cooperative system, my remark, we are trying to share more and is assured. I ba ve been writing to the more financial resources and other powers Chief Ministers. The bon. Prime Minister with tbe State Governments. So primarily himself bas written to all the Chief Ministers it is tbe responsibility of tbe State Govern- about these two vital issues of our national ments. Wbether it is agriculture or rural life i.e. panchayati raj and cooperative development" hone Members must exercise Iystem· But unfortunately, tbe response their influence and try to involve themselves bas DOt beeD matcbiDl witb tbe urae tbat with tbe implementation of the schemes we have been placioa before the States. In under qricultural and rural development. certain States the pancha,at elections have Only aDd onl, then our country caD prosper not been held for quite a Dumber of years. and our poor peasants and farmers can be ADd in certain States tbe .system itself is 10 saved from exploitation from tbose vested deficient that there are bardly any powers interests wbicb have been • beavy burden with tbe panchayata. 1bere(ore, II there ;. OD our rural society. any paochayati system tbere, it il only a With these wends I commend to tbe farce. Therefore. in the interest of the overaU House to pus the Demands for tbe Ministry development of rural areas and weD beiDl of Acriculture. of the roral society it is just cuentiaJ that we should be aiyina due importaDce to MR.. SPEAKER: Mr. Buta 5i..., JI. I tbese iDsdtutiODS wbicb are the very bub or will like to take up ~ with tile 365 D.O. (Gen.) 1986-87 VAISAKHA '. 1908 (SA~A) D.C. (Gen.) 1986-81 366 Transport Ministry and the Railway Ministry of Demands entered in the second ror tbe easy movement and for some column tbereof against Demand Nos. 1 refrigerated van for the perishable so tbat to 9 relating to the Ministry of it would help in the implementation of Aariculture. " more productivity in the fruits and perish- The motion "as adopted. able products. MR. SPEAKER: Now I have got two s. BUTA SINOH : Sure, Sir. minutes left. (TI'anJiation) MR. SPEAKER.: That wi!l be a nice ltep because if other countries bave, then If tbe House agrees. I will put why don-' we. the remaining Demands to tbe vote of tbe House. S. BUTA SINGH: Already the bon. Prime Minister bas liven us the direction SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes Sir, you to see that the horticulture aod specially may do it. tbe perisbable fruit, vegetables, flowers shouJd be given due importance and we are (EnIIiJh] tryinl to see tbat specially in tbe big cities. tbe cosmopolitan cities, the prices of these MR. SPEAKER: O.K. If tbe House essential commodities are not allowed to go aays. up, aDd tbis can be dODe only through tbe efficient transportation. OUf farmen who are growing grapes in Mabarasbtra, in OUTSTANDING DEMANDS FOR KarDataka, in Andhra Pradesb, are finding GRANTS (GENERAL) 1986-87 it difficult to sen their commodities and, Sir, we have gone to tbe extent of requesting tbe Civil Aviation Minister to provide u! J\.JiaJ.trles of CommunIcation." EnylrOD- cheaper transportation for this hip" perish .. meat aad Fornt., FlaaDee, etc. etc. able commodity and he baa given us a very (Engll.hl sympathetic reply. MR. SPEAKER: I sball now put the MR. SPEAKER: I sball DOW put all outstanding Demands for Grants relatina the cut mOlions moved to tbe Demands for to tbe Ministries/Departments to vote. Grants relating to tbe Ministry of Agricul- ture to vote together, unless any bOD. The question is : Member desires that any of his out motions ~'Tbat tbe respective sums not exc:eedina may be put separately. tbe amounts of Revenue Account and Capital Account shown in the fourth All tbe ~ut motioDs were pat aod Negatived. column of tbe Order Paper be granted to the President out of MR. SPEAKER: I sball now put tbe tbe Consolidated Fuod of India Demands for Grants relating to the Ministry to complete tbe sums necessary to defray of Agriculture to vote. the cbarges tbat will come in course or pay ment during tbe year endi1l8 tbe Tbe question is : 31st day of March.. 1987. in respect of the beads of demands entered in the "Tbat the respective sums Dot ICCODd column thereof agaiost- exceed in, tbe amounts 00 Revenue Accouot and Capital Account sbown in (1) Demands Nos. J 3 to 16 reJatina to the fourth column of tbe Order Paper the Ministry of Commuoicatioos; be ....nted to tbe President out of tbe (2) Demand Nos. 26 to 28 relatina to Consolidated Fund of India to com.. the Ministry of En,._iTOnt1lent aDd pleto tbo SUlDI necessary to defray the Forests; cbaraa tbat wiD come iD COUI'IO of paymcat duriol tbe year eDdioa 31st day (3) Demand Nos. 30 to 41 relatioa to c-f Mareb, 1987 in ....'*' of tbe boadt the MiIllstrJ or Fioance; 367 D.G. (G,n.) 198f.81 APlUL 23, I'" D.O. (0nI.) 1916-11 3d (4) Demand Nos. 44 to 46 relating to (12) Demand No. 79 rolatinl to ,. the Ministry of Health and Family Ministry of PrOll'amme Implemen- Welfare; tadon; (5) Demand Nos. 57 to 62 relating to (13) Demand No.. 86 rcJatioa to tho the Ministry of Human Resource Ministry of Textiles; Development; (14) Demand Nos. 87 to 91 rel&&iDa to tbe Ministry of Transport; (6) Demand Nos. 63 to 6S relating to the Ministry of Industry; (1S) Demand Nos. 92 to 96 relatins to tbe Ministry of U rbaD Deve- (7) Ikmand Nos. 69 to 70 relating to lopment; the Ministry of Labour; (16) Demand No. 98 "latina to the (8) Demand Nos. 71 and 72 relating Ministry of Welfare; to lb. Ministry of Law and Justice; (17) Demand No. lOS rel.tina to Lot (9) Demand Nos. 73 and 74 relating Sabba; to the Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs and Tourism; (18) Demand No. 106 relatiDI to Rajya (10) Demand No. 75 relating to the Sabba;aDd Ministry of Personnel, Public (19) Demand No. 107 rela~ to the Grievances and Pensions; Secretariat of the Vice-PresideDt.·' (II) Demand Nos. 77 and 78 relating to the Ministry of Plaoning; The motloD "81 adopted. Demands for Grants (General) 1986-87 10 respect of Mlnl.rles of COlDlaanatio•• , Environment and Forests, Finance, etc. etc. votetl by Lot Sabba Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for No. of G rant voted by tbe Demand OD account voted by tbe House on 13 tb Marcb, 1986 House 4 1 2 3 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. RI. Ils. RI. MisHt..,. or COlDIDuaicatioDi S,08 66.000 9,00,02,000 13. Ministry of Communications 1,01,73,000 6,00,00,000 t 14. Overseas Communications Service 60,25,000 1,45,86,67,000 6.0S,SO,OOO 7,29.33.33,000 30,27,50,000 1 S. Postal Services 16. Telecommunication Services 2,45.41,66,000 1.52,83,17,000 12,27,08,34,000 7.64,15.84.000 MI•• _..,. of En.lroDment aad ."ore.t. 26. Ministry or Environment and Forests 27,13.000 J,3S,6S.000 27. Environment 13.30,32,000 66.51,60,000 %8. Forestl aDd Wild Life 8,19,50,000 2,000 64.84.49.000 .8,08,000 VAlSAXaA 3, 1908 (S..4KJ4) D.o. (Gen.) 1986-81 310 1 3 4 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital RI. Rs. RI. RI. MlalltrJ of Flaance 30, Ministry or Finance 2,47,33.000 12,36,67,000 31. Customs IS,63,11,000 9,73,50,000 78,15.5S,000 48,67,50,000 32. Union Exc~ Duties 17,73,46,000 88,67,32,000 33. Taxes on Income, Estate Duty, Wealth Tax and Oift Tax 19,39.63.000 96,98,17,000 34. Stamps 8,98,29,000 1,30,12,000 42,28,31,000 3,28,48,000 5S. Acdit 24,43,26,000 1,22,16,30,000 36. Currency CoiDaae and Mint 37,99,22,000 29,60,83,000 1.89,78,13,000 98,25.16,000 37. Pensions 35,31,31,000 1,76,56,52,000 38. Opinion and Alkaloid Factories 26,19.21,000 1,19,17,000 18,04,71,000 9 5, 85l1OOO 39. Transfer to State Governments 8,14,94,17,000 ... 17,29,43,87,000 40. Other Expenditure of tbe Ministry of Finance 3,32,94,47,000 8,91.09,14,000 8.14,10,76,000 6,77,75,71,(00 41. Loans to Government Servants, etc. 29,23,67,000 . .. 1,46,18,33,000 MIDi.try of Health aDd Family Welfare 44. Mioistry of Health aDd Family Welfare 35,62,000 1,78,08,000 45. Medical and Public Health 53,33,76,000 19,19,80,000 2,66.92,78,000 95,98,99,000 46. Family Welfare 95,63,58,000 89,83,000 4,78,17,87,000 4,49,17.000 Mlnistl'J of HumaD Relource De.elopmeat 57. Ministry of Human :Resources Development 1.18,01.000 5.90,04.000 '8. Education 1.09,73,28,000 4.24,000 5,48,85,39,000 21,18,000 59. Youth Main and Sports 11,00,23.000 50,6S,000 60,03,17,000 lsS3.2S,OOO 60. Women's Wolfare 25,51,58,000 1,32,57,93.000 61. Art and C&l1ture 9,50,99,000 47.541093,000 61. Aa:ttaooloa1 3.27.93.000 16.39.67.000 MJDlatf)' of lad•• t.., 63. Ministry of ItMtustry 2.28,0.,000 8,000 11.40.23.000 42.000 64,' JDdUltriot 17,'8.36.000 71.42,83,,000 91.52,25.000 3.04,94,17.009 371 D.O. (Ga.) 191J6..81 APlUL 23. Jts6 1 2 3 4 Revenue capital Revenue Capital RI. R.s. Ill. lb. 65. VOlqe and Small Industries 42,89,47,000 23,43,51,000 2,14,47,33.000 1,11,17,55,000 MI•• _.., of Laboar 69. Ministry of Labour 31,00.000 1,55,00,000 10. Labour and Employment f 27,18,74,000 15.17,000 1 J35,93,12,OOO 15.84,000 Mlalst", of Law aDd Justice 11. Ministry of Law and Justice 5,21,41,000 26.07,04,000 72. Administration of Justice 17,27,000 16,32,000 Mlal.try of ParliameDtary Affaln a.d To.rlsm 13. Department of Parliamentary Affain 10.49.000 5%.46,000 74. Department of Tourism 2,90.97,000 1.84.33.000 14,54,14,000 9,2I,~.OOO MlalltrJ of Pertonnel, PabUe Grle~.Dee. and Peuloas 7S. Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions 4,12.81,000 20,64,06,000 MI••• t rr of Pla.alDl 77. Planniog 1,43,39,000 7,36,93,000 18. Statistics 4,47,76,000 22.38.77,000 MIa'etQ of ProarallllDe.lmple.eatatloD 79. Ministry of Proaramme Implementation ',63.000 31,17,000 MJaI_ry or Tes:tile. 86. Minist". of Textt1es 52.41,43,000 35.68,32,000 2,62,07,12,000 1,78,91,62.000 M.... t17 of T .....port 87. Ministry of Transport escIudina Railways 1,34,18,000 ',47,40.000 88. Roads 40,88,16,000 56.23,9J,OOO 2.04,44.32,000 2,81,J9.52,000 89. Ports. LiabtboUICI aDd SbippiDa 23,55,94.000 45.79,85,000 1.12,11,74,,000 2,60,92.21.010 90. Road and Inland Water TraDlport 2.36,42,000 21,s 1.05.000 11.12.10.000 15,55.21.000 ,., A"*ioq .0,33,64,000 ,1 ,3O,~7.000 44,82.1'.000 ~J''''''¥09 ; ~,m IJII/WOJlrlfliloll (Nil. I) VAISAEHA 3, 1908 (S~Kd) .4ppropriation (No. J) 374 ." Bi' 1, 2 3 4 Revenue Capital R.evenue Capital RI. Ra. Ra. Rs. MI••• t.., 0' UrbaD o...lop_Dt 91. Ministry or Urban Development 38,24,000 1,91,20,000 93. Public Worta 21,21,24,000 12.51,84,000 1,06,06,21,000 62,59 1 22,000 94. Water Suppl1 aDd Sewenp 32,66,000 1,63,34,000 5,00,000 95. HouaiDl aod Urbao Development 5,90,95,000 12,39,21,000 29,5~4,72,OOO 74,96.04,000 96. Stationery aDd Printiog 10,37,42,000 5 I ,81,07,000 Mi• ....., of W.lfare 98. MiDistry of Welfare 44.01,65,000 11,61.000 2.09,28.24,000 58,33,000 105. Lot Sabba 2.01,85,000 10,09.25,000 106. Raj,a Sabba 84,35,000 4,21,78,000 107. Secretariat of tbe Vic:e- President 2,25.000 11,28,000 18.02 ilr•• [Enllish] APPROPRIATION (NO.3) BILL THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH): I be8 1&"",,] to move: THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI '7bat the Bill to autborise paymeot VISHWANATH PIlATAP SINGH): Sir, and appropriation of certain sums from I .,.. to move tor leavo to iuttoduce a Bin and out of tbe Consolidated Fund 01 to autborile payment aDd appropriation of lodia for tbe services of the fioaocia) year certain IWDI from and out of the 1986-87, be taken into consideratioD:' CooaoIiclated Puod of India for the eervices MR. SPEAKER : Motioa moved : of tbe fiDaDcia1 year 1986-87. ''That the BiD to authorise payment aDd MR. SPEAKER: The question is : appropriation of certain sums from and out of tbe Consolidated Fuod of IDdia "That lea" be araoted to introduce for the services of the financial year 1986- a BDI to autborile payment aDd appro- 87, be taken ioto consideration." priation of certaia IQIDI from an I out of the CODSOlidated FUDd of India for SHRI G.M. BANAlWALLA (Poooaml: tIae serviceI of tho fiaandal year 1986- Mr. Speaker, Sir. we have now the Appro- 17." priation Bill before us. At the stroke of six, you applied the SUiUotiDe and there wu 11ae .0t108 was .....t.d. • aeneraJ. massacre. SHill VISBWANATB PRATAP MR. SP~: Ummwu~a fmm SINGH: I iDtroduce ~ Bill. such • maD wbo is just DOD-vIolcat hi",.. I SHat G.M. BANA'IWALLA : So many is not only of the poor but alao of tbe Departments could Dot come up for middle-class. the professional clall and tbe dis-=ussion. I will just mention briefly ooe employed class. They also feel the problems or two points. The Labour Department of housing equally. Of course. our Prime could not come up. Sir, in this connection, ~iDister, as far as Bombay is concerned. tbere is a great discontent with respect to was good enough to anDounce a sum of the wages of tbe Journalists and I would Rs. 100 crores. '(lnt."uptlons). Therefore, urae upon tbe Government that in tbe I am saying tbat the problem is acute itt tho matter of Interim Relief, the necessary urban areas, everywbere, in Bombay also, attention should be paid. it must be appreciated" in all these urban areas. As has been pointed by a Similarly, there is the problem and the Position Paper given by tbe Tata Institute miserable plight of tbe employees of Peerless of Social Sciences tbat it is the lopsided Company and I must urge upon the development of our economy as also the GOYe1'Dment that the matter should receive pressurt's on the urban places which bas tbeir due to consideration and necessary resulted into tbis great problem. Therefore, intervention so that their miserable plight is there is need for a very comprebensive removed. planning for this particular purpose. I must say that instead of tbere being a policy Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is also a general of forcible eviction, we must ha\'. a policy feeling of great insecurity among the of re-Iocation based on plaoned development Government employees because of the providina the necessary infrastructure for decision of the Supreme Court giving tbe housing of tbose displaced and of tbose unbridled powers to disciplanary authorities who need to be rehabilitated. In Bombay to either dismiss or reduce in rank any specially these days there are so many officer without giving bim any bearing at all. forcible evictions that are taking place, tbey The consequences are repugnent to must stop and tbe necessary re-Iocation of democratic norms. The consequences are an the places whicb are genuinely needed for affront to principles of natural jutice. There- tbe public purpose should be there. Tbe fore, I must urge upon the Government that term cpublic purpose· should be defined this discontnent tbat is there among tbe properly througb properly laid down guide- Government employees and tbis feeling of lines. insecurity whicb is bound to affect the efficicocy of tbe employees be taken ioto A final word, Sir. In tbe case or consideration. I would urge upon the Central Government lands and tbe lands of Government that there should be an tbe public uodenakinp also. the same poticy appropriate amendment of tbe Constitu- of allowiog tbe re-Iocation or allowina tbe tion. people to develop tbe sites on wbich tbey arc staying sbould be followed. I hope Mr. Speak.er. Sir. the Urban Develop- that these matters will receive due coasidera- ment Department also could not come up tion of the Govcnnneot. for discussion. Here I have one particular poiDt to make, Mr. Speaker, and that is, MR. SPEAKER : Sbri Mool ChaDd tbat the problem of the housing of tbe Daaa. Urban poor .... PROF. N.O. RANGA: Mr. Speaker. PIlOF. N.G. RANOA What about Sir. I want two miDUIeI. rural poor. MR. SPEAKER You know, you SHIll G.M. BANATWALLA: I will canDot. You IlaYe to .iw hi writioa, come to tbat also. I would like tbe Sir. cooperatioD of tbe entire House and ) would ~tinue to make those pointa. PR.OF. N.G. RANOA: JUlt ODe miDute. Sir. I aaree with the problem of rural bousjn& but at the same time the question MI\. SPEAICSR: No. of (be urban houma is a1ao there aDd that (/",,,,.. ,/0 .. ) b' ",prop;,atlo" lNtJ. J) VAI8AKBA 3. 1908 (SAKA) APpropriation (No. 1) l78 Bill Bill PROF. N.G. RANOA : The self- service under Article 311. The step which employment scheme for artinDs .•• bas been taken and the decision which tbe Supreme Court has delivered are acceptable. MR. SPBAKER : It is apinst the rule, Win you believe tbat at present tbere i. a Sir. loss of Rs. 660 crores in the National Textile Corporation and our subsidy is (Interruptions) increasing constantly? Win anyone te)) us as to why 10 to 15 thousand extra rural paOF. N.G. RANOA: The self- labourers have been engaged? Has any employed people .•. one been able to cbeck child labour system (Interruptions) under labour laws? It is a matter of shame for all of us. Today when we see MR. SPEAKER: Sir, it is again.t the tbe small children, who are the future hope rules. of India, working as labourers, we feel that tbe labour laws remain confined to the (Translation] papers only; these are Dot implemented. I want to say that we opposed to contract SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (PalO: labour, but a law banning contract labour Mr. Speaker. Sir. I want to bring to your kind bas not been passed till date. We have attention one tbing. At present major part of passed child labour law, but that bas Dot our Budget is beiog spent on tbe Govern- been inJplementcd. ment employees aod it bas gradually reached upto 39 per cent of the total Budget As you will not allow me to speak for outlay. Whereas we spend so much on longer time, I am not speaking much. tbem" do we expect that these officers will Otherwise I wanted to submit many thinp. belp us in fulfilling our hopes and aspira- During the discussion on tbe Demands for tions '1 If we look at their work and their Grants of the ~tjobtry of Human Resources. way of working, we feel disappointed. you bave stated in the Education Policy Tbey have no contribution in any of the tbat model schools will be opened. Do poverty alleviating programmes being run at you hope that this will serve your purpose? dislrict level by us. I want to say tbat The condition of the schools in India is whatever economy we may bring in the alright. It is only tbe teachers. who used expenditur~ even after 5 per cent cut in to be considered the medium of impartina expenditure, the attitude of tbe Government education. nre missing. Tbey have become employees continues, to remain disappoint- knowledge-seller businessmen. They cannot Inl. Whenever the concerned Minister is educate us. And you are thinking tbat by a weak person, they dominate and get their scttmg up one model school in each district, work done. These Government employees proper education will be imparted, but that bave neither any accountability nor any is not guing to happen. Who is responsible responsibility. If we do Dot gear up tbe for tbe pitiable condition prevailing in the administration and do Dot make it more schools today? So, th~se are aspects on viailaot and loyal, tben tbe administration which we should brood over. will not allow our s~bemes and programmes to succeed in future. Therefore. tbis point Regarding availability of justice, eveo should be pondered over deeply. The bon. today 15 lakh cases are pending in tho Member, who spoke before me, said that courts. When will tbe people get cheap nen today after the adoption of tbe and easy justice and when will you be able Coosdtutioo for such a 1001 time, we bave to provide justice to the people sincerely? Dot been able to frame a law under Article Have we ever thought about tbis? These 311(2). These bureaucrats have ruled are our problems and you sbould thint tbe couotry with the belp of rules and the about tbem. 1 have only one sugestion in way Opposition is supportina the bureaucrats tbis ngard tbat these are public services. iD the matter of romovioa them frOUl Once tbe Han. Prime Minister bad said ...viQC is Dot correct. The question is that that in the States SO per cent services sboW" It ..Ul Dot be Improper if • penon who is be manned by rersons from outside the auDty aDd danaerous aod ...inst wbom an State. Even today SO% services are not eaqai1'7 It 10 be macle. is remowd from beiol maooed by the persons flUID ou1aido APRIL 23. 19M Approprlatloll (No.9) Bill 380 (Sbri Moot Chand Daaal Resardioe child labour wbicb Sbri Mool Chand Dap has mentioned. there was a the state. Services too are sometime meetiDl of Labour Ministers on tbis and a inftUCDCCd by tbe politicians after violatins consensus bas been evolved. The Govern- the laws. We cannot achieve our desired ment is cooaidering a comprehensive Bill on aoat of etablishina a Welfare State with Child Labour in tbis relard. such types of services and we sbould achieve this goal. With these words Reprding Contract Labour. a Workinl I ~oDClude. Group bas made proposals, and tbat is a!so under consideration, regarding amendments [English] in the law. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP Then tbe point was made about Govern- SINGH: Sir. Mr. Banatwalla bas fioally ment expenditure being increased on raised these points. He mentioned about Government employees. We were looking the guillotine. But he and Mr. Dap bave at tbe figures of expenditure of administra- escaped tbe guillotine. tion as a percentage of total expenditure. That percentage taBS Dot risen aod has been One point was made about Peerless. fairly constant from 10-9%. We cannot That matter is under consideration and ••• say tbat overhead expenditure is increasing. [TraM/ation] About journalists and wages, regarding MR. SPEAKER : Tbey have named it journalists and interim relief. we may ••• very thougbtfully. SHRI H.A. DORA : Wbat is tbe expenditure ? [&gu",hl SHR1 VISHWANATH PRATAP SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: I am telling it is about 9-10% of SINGH: Yes, it is Dot cheerless. We are the total expenditure. actively considering the various suaae&tioDl and propasals. Even tbis very week, some SHRI H.A. DORA: What is the actual Members of Parliament ... expenditure ? SURI G.M. BANATWALLA Actively SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP aDd sympatbetically. SINGH: Actual expenditure will depend on tbe total amount. I am saying tbat' wben SURI VISHWANATH PRATAP you compare wbether jt is increasing or not. SINGH: Yes. but witbin the parameters of then over a period of time, you liCe from possibilities. So. this very week, some year to year whether the perccntaae is Members of Parliamen~ just DOW discussed increasing or not. Total amount will and tbey said, they would be meeting increase when your total expenditure me. aod I win be medinl them, tbe discuss inaeues. But you see Vt bether the ratio is it. increasing or DOt, and we say there is • fairly constant ratio on tba t account. A point was mentioned about tbe pro- 00 waaea reprdi nl journalists, I would blem of urban poor. request tbe Labour Minister, my c 011 eaae, ... bo is there, to enliabten tbe bOD. There is a Scheme for urban poor. Member on tbat point. I would request bim Even in this BudlCt, we have paid our on tbis. attention for tbe urban poor and brOUlbt up Scbemea that have heeD finalised. May I assure you ... SMa) O.M. BANATWALLA: What Por housing. tbere is a loan of RI. 5.000 about tbe problem of job aeeurltJ 01 for bcoe6ciaries also BiveD 00 cooccuional Govemmeot employees '1 Before wp vote .ato 01 iD&crcIt. ...,ab1c ill 20-25 ycan. die mooey. we should know about thfa. '81 ApJII'oprlation (No. 3) Bill [VAISAKBA 3, 1908 (S.I4XJf) H.A.H. DII. 3'2 MR.. SPEAK.ER : Shri Mool Chand "That the Bill to authorise payment Dapji is apinat it. and appropriation of certain sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP India for the services of the financial SINGH: In this respect .•. (Inte"uptlon8) year 1986-87 be taken mto considera- tion." MR. SPEAKER : No cross talkinl. ne moUo. " •• adopted. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH : Aparl from tbat, the final court MR. SPEAKER : I will DOW put tbe of the land bas made a pronouncement. If Clauses to vote. mala/ide is alleged or if it is aUelied tbat extraneous facts were taken into considera- The qUCltion is : tion, then the court can interfere, since, in the eye of law, there would have been an 6aybat Clauses 2, 3, 4 and tbe absence of the subjective satisfaction of the Schedule ltand part of tbe BiU.'" President or the Governor. motion was adopted. In the judgment, tbese considerations ne arc there. CI.ules 2, 3, 4 .Dd the Sclledale were Another important guideline giveD by added to the Bill. the Supreme Court is that a Government servant, wbo bas been dismissed or removed MR. SPEAKER: Now the question from service or reduced in rank by applying is : to his case clause (b) or (c) of the second proviso to Article 311 (2) or an analolous t'Tbat clause J. Enacting Formu)a service rule can urge in appeal or revision aDd Title staad part of the Bin ..' that an inquiry should be beld with respect to the charges on whicb luch penalty bas The moUoD W.I adopted. been imposed upon him, unless a situation envisaged by the second proviso is prevailina CIa.le 1, EDacling Formula aad Title at the time of bearing of the appeal or were added to the Bill. revision application. Even in sucb a case, the bearing of tbe appeal or revision appli- SHRI VJSHWANATH PRATAP cation sbould be postponed for a reasonable SINGH: I beg to move: length of time for tbe situatioD to return to normal. '7bat the Bill be passed." These various safeguards in tbe judgment MR. SPEAKER : The question is : itself arc there and I think that itself will take care of tbe fairness and also of the '7hat tbe Bill be passed. n administrative whims. So far as education is concerned, the The 1D0ti0D .... adopted. new education policy has come and Government is takina very positive steps on tbil. HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION MR. SPEAKER: The question is .•• GuhleUa •• to State. _ Fa.lI, P ...... SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Sir. be himself lAid tbat be would request the (E1tallsh] Labour Minister to clarify about the iDterim relief for the journalists •.. MR. SPEAKER : Now the House will take up the balf-an-bour 4iscussiOll by Dr. 0.8. RaJ.... - B .... I1. _. 3H m H.A.H. Dis. APRIL 23. J PS6 l'.~llln. country's J 1.1 per ceot decline in sterilisation! duriD. 1984-850" [MR.. DEPUTY SPEAKER in tile Chair] [Tranliallon] [Translation] I would like to toll you one more DR.O.S. RAJHANS (Jbanjbarpur): interestina thiDI : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this discussion has been put off twice and I was thinking [En,Ush] this time too it may not be postponed. "Tbe Dumber of sterilisations cam- In this connection I have to say 2 or 3 ed out by the other four States durin. tbiop. In tbe Sixth Five Year Plan, out of 1984-85 are as follows: Bihar 2.91 the allocation made for 'Health' 65 per cent Jakh against tho tal'letted S.71 lakh; was aUotted for 'Family Planning' and that Madbya Pradesh 2.S3 lakh against S amount was spent also, but the States could lakh; Rajasthan 1.36 lakh apillSt 2.94 Dot set much benefit from that. In our lakh and West Bengal 2.71 lakh aIBin"t tlt country the family planning bas remained a 4.881akb • national movement since 1952, but the country has not benefited much from it. [Trans/ation] Around 1952 our growth of population was 43 per tbousand. whereas it came down What I want to say is that hal the only to 33.9 per tbousand by 1981. From Government thought of about tbe impendina 1981 to 1986 it continued to be 33.9 per population explosion in the country whicb is thousand. During the last three to four going to be bigger than tbe explosion of years, situation has become alarming. We even tbe atom bomb? Is tbe Government have ,pent large amounfS on this 'Head., awar..: tbat by the turn of the century Jndia but the benefiti are not to be seen around. will be the most populated country of the world? China since the beginning of tbe During tbe first ha1f of 1985-86 it ,,"'as programme adopted the principle of one.. found tbat tbe family planning work in the chUd per family and the result is that popu- five prominent States was not at all upto lation of China has been controlled to a the mark. These States are Bitar. U.P., large extent. In tbe matter of over-popu.. Madbya Pradesh, Rajasthan and \Vest 1ated countries China by tbe begiooiol of Bengal. I would like to ask the hon. 21st century will be relegated to number two Minister as to what be has done to mak.e position whereas we will jump to number the family planning work effective in these one position. Is the Government minkin, States. I am quoting (rom the Hindustan of any population policy 1 Will tbe Govern- Times of 13th January, wherein it has been ment change the preseotl!slopn-'Two stated : children for each family' to 'ODe ch04 for each family' ? [Eng lis") "Bihar is by far tbe worst of the AN HON. MEMBER: How mao, lot. In tbe first six months of 1985-86, children you have ? it did not get to even 20 per cent of the DR. O.S. IlAJHANS: I have DO sterilisation target for the period. In conventional contraceptives and oral children. pills. too. Bihar bas nol achieved tbe modest targets set for it:· I have read tbe replies to tbe Starred as well as Unstartcd QueitioOi "YeO b, tbo [T,alUlatiolll boo. Minister durin. tbe luI three to lour moat.. in both Lot Sabba ud Raj,. After tbis it has been said that : Sabba. The answers are quite latereltiDa. It toCt1lS tbat be bas cme or twO oIIcen wbo lugU.!,.] reply io ditto to every ,--,loa abel OD family planoioJ. Will the family pJuoiDl "It was these five States wbich too will work io die ...... ,., • ..... Uat were principally responsible for tbe 385 R.A.H. DII. VAlSAKBA 3.1901 (SAKA) B.A.H. Du. 386 replies bave been liven? I bad read a not educate them to this level that tbey may speech of thc hOD. Minister dclivered by bim dec1are they that are not one's slaves and also 80mewhere in which he had stated tbat would 1 ike to give birth to One child only. some progress bas been made tbis year. I Can't the Government educate them in such would like to know as to what was that a way 1 progress and what is he doing further to that? Why progress bas not been made ThirdJy. in 1977, people raised hue and during all these years? Large sums of cry against the atrocities committed during money have been spent OD family planning Family Planning programme and as a result programmes, but has anyone ever bothered Government slowed down its activities and to know as to where this money goes? I the funds went down tbe drain. Would may tell you tbat in rural areas all the you please constitute a Joint Committee vebides of tbe Family Planning Department consisting members of both the Houses, t~ are being very conveniently used for private look into the indifference of the Government business. towards Family Planning measures after 1977 and why the same bad not been In tbe villale5 tbere is very intersting successful. tbina to be seen about tbe family planning. I had stated earlier also that I showed a Besides. 1 also want to know as to bow board to villager in a viJIage and asked him you monitor the programme. MeTely as to why he was Dot following the things writing to the State Governments and filing said tbcrein 7 It was written on tbe board tbe replies received from them--will not tbat we arc two children of mummy and serve the purpose. You make a review papa and we will have two. That villager after a lapse of three months, \\hy do you replied me tbat this family planning is for not make a review every montb 1 mummy and papa and not for us. We are poor people and we know only ~maa' and Have you ever made efforts to inform 'haap' • Even now whenever 1 go to the the people about the factual position and village I see that board. That is why I magnitude of the problem. Ear1ier~ there want to draw your attention to the faC't tbat useJ to be an advertisement by LJ.C. in bow much you have spent and bow much tha ne\\spapers that a lady escaped from people are bothered for family planning. being ruined as her husband had a L.I.C" You say that you will provide incentive. policy aod the family was covered just after What type of incentive you are giving'1 You paying onty two instalments. Do you not may fh a rule. Give a pack.age deal to the ha\c people with imagination \\bo could peoplo. In our country male child is in advertise in this manner that there were two mucb demand. Tn have one male child. a couples of the same age group. one of person goel on plc.;reating 5 to 6 children. them gave birth to eight children and the Can there Dot be any Fulc or a way out other ga"e birth to only one Child. There- tbat a person wbo aett himself sterilized fore. the later one is leading a very bappy after tbe birth of one daughter will get a life. The first couple had to spend lheir lort of social insurance wherein the State entire income on their eight children may ao aD depositing gradually lome money whereas tbe second couple spent only o~ in his name so that during his old age he one child, the-refore they had a fiat. a car may have so much money tbat be may pot and all oUler facHities. Do you not ba~'e DCCd any more income for his maintenance '1 aoy person with imagination wbo could make publicity in tbis manner 7 He would not require any assistance as be would set pension from tbe Government. You send people to villages for moti- which would be sufficient (or his mainte- vating people to adopt famify plannio& nance. Thus, after Bettina this social methods. but wbat moth ation the people are receiving. It is very stranse that they eecurity be would Dot bave any desire to caD-' even tell tbe people the simple facts have a SOD. which tbey should ba"e told tbe people. Secondly. you talk about tbe Family You miaht ha\'c read it in tbe newspapen Plaonioa. but bavc you ever tbouabt of the tbat some peop\e bad visited the viUaps to ~Uldcc ~ to the WOPlCO. • Wb, do 10\1 mak.e publicity of Nitodb, but tbe, eouJd R.A.B. DII. , .. 387 H.A.H. Dis. APlUL 23, 1986 (Dr. 0.5. Rajhans} family welfate proaramme is vital to tbe success of all our Dational efforts and across not tell the people as to what they bad to the entire spectrum of nation·s locio-econo- do. After 6 months, when they visited tbe mic development proaramme. same village again, tbey found tbe Nirophs hanging and they were surprised to find tbat Sir, our Hon. Prime Minister has liven tbe population of tbe vjllage had increased. tbe bigbest priority for tbe family planoiDa I mean to say that tbis is a very serious programme in his aaenda for the nation. problem which needs a lot of efforts. The as he is leading this nation to Dew vistas of children especially the girls should be achievemen ts. taught at school level about population control, and one should not feel ashamed India was the first country to take up of it. Because our resources are limited, family planning a Governmental programme. but tbe number of people is increasing. If The Hon. Member Is entirely incorrect as to our population continues to grow, it would the total achievements of tbis programme. lead to chaos and disorder. ~fy consti- As per tbe authentic records certified by tuency is a densely populated area. Old independent researcbers, in the last 35 years Darbbarga District of Bihar is one of the of porgramme operation, we bave been able most densely populated areas in Asia. There to prevent about ".5 crore births in tbis are twenty children in a single family. country. This means that bad it not been Someone asked a child, as to how many for tbe family planning programme, our brothers did be have. be replied tbat they population would now be 82 ClOres as against were twenty brothers. Again when he was 74.S crores in actuality. The HOD. Member asked as to what was his father'S profession, also mentioned quite incorrectly tbat funds be answered that this was his only profession. are beinl wasted. Sir, 2400 ClOre! of rupeea Sir, I want to tell you that th03e twenty only were spent for tbe programme from boys lead an unhealthy aDd miserable life. tbe beginning in 1951 till tbe end of 1985. Are we Dot responsible for this? Is not the If you divide it by 7 crores, tbe number of Government responsible for this! We birtbs prevented. tbis programme bas spent cannot shirk our responsibility by giving the only Rs. 345 per birth averted in this country. plea that we have spent so much funds on This includes part of tbe cost of 11000 this and now increasing population is not primary bealth centres and 80000 sub our headache. Due to the improved hygienic centres. We have created in tbe pro- conditions death rate has been reduced by gramme a reservoir of one million trained SO% and birth rate bas remained constant at personnel. 33.9 per thousand. Would it now lead to a decrease in population or growth of Sir, today in India 90% of tbe eligible population. You may make your best couples are aware of tbe family planniol. etfortS, but unless population is controlled, 60% have the koowledge of the method. the country can DOt make progress. DR. O.S. RAJHANS : They may Dot Tbereforey I shall request the hone be at all aware. Minister to reply to tbe points which I have raised. SHR} S. KRISHNA KUMAR: You are Dot aware Sir. J am talkina of tbe eliaible [English] couples. This is by iodepeodent martel THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE researcb studies. DEllARTMENT OF FAMILY WALFARE (SHIll S. KRISHNA KUMAR): Sir, SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA let me, at tbe outset, congratulate tbe Hon. RAO : Do you mean to ..y tbat be i. 001 Member of Parliament Dr. Raj Hans for eliaible ! raisina tbe issue of population control and sterilisation and implementation of tbe SHill S. Kl\lSHNA KUMAR : 9O'Kt 01 ramily welrare programme in tbis House and tbe couples are aware or the Deed ror ramil, throuah this House before the nation. plannina_ This is eoofirme4 by tbe latest dialDOltic .tudy which we bavc CODducted. Sir, the Goyemment fu11y agrees with 60% are awato of the motbodL Oat of tilt Boa. Member tbat tbe SUOCCII of tbe every 100 couples.'5 couplet .... 1kIa4J VAl5AKHA '. U)()8 (SAKA) H.A .II. Dil. 398 accepted ramily plan nina in tb~s country, of Parliament-the Department of FamDy 27 by IteriUsation, and 8 by spacing WeJfare has prepared a new revised effective metbods. strategy for the family welfare programme which seeks to take family planning to new Sir, we alree witb bon. Member that heights and make a break -through in the tbere have been many shortfalls in the retnaining four years of tbe Seventh Five programme in tbe past especially in relation Year Plan. If the bon. Member has to tbe northern States. Some of the States occasion to read this stra tegy t I am sure, where we have conducted the survey all his mis-apprehensions wiJI be removed. indicates great under-utilisation of This strategy seeks to take the family the infra-structure including the State from planning, beyond the health and family which tbe bon. Member bails. J do not welfare infra-structure or network to the want to go into the details but tbe entire range of relevant social engineering deficiencies relate to tbe doctors not being field including the status of women in available, tbe infra-structure being under- society, female literacy, cbild survival. utiUsed, tbe workers not being sufficiently linkage with anti-poverty programme, old motivated, poor quality of technical services age security and increasiD~ the age or like post-operative are, paucity of lady marriage. As the hon. Member is aware in doctors, dis-satisfaction with the behaviour the very S ta te be is coming from almost of staff. etc. Tbese lacunae are being balf the young women between the age of progressively corrected. I would like to tell 15-19 years are married. Cbild marriage is the boo. Member tbat he has unleashed is a problem especially in northern India. tbe criticism on the programme at a time This strategy to also seeks energise and when the programme is showing a tremend- enhance the infra-structure. It seeks to ous cbansc towards higher acbievement. professionalise the multi-media effort through radio, television and print media so that I would like to mention in this House very imaginative messages based on ta[8et that even thougb in the first six months of tbe groups specific approaches reach the entire year the performance of tbe programme population. The entire communication stratqy was not that satisfactory. the figures which is under reviw. \Ve are going to launch we have got upto 31st March show that macro Jevel or national ]e\e) programmes tbe peformance of tbe programme in J 985- for increasing the age of marriage, universal 86 is an all time record. We have been immunisation and re-inforcing the two- able to eorol tbis year 19 miUion acceptors. child family limit. In this country I would We bave achieved about 90 per cent in like to say categorically on bebalf of tbe sterilisation and near 100 per cent in all Health Ministry that we do no t advocate other methods. As regards northern States the one child family norm. It is too early it is encouraging tbat U.P., Madbya Pradesb, to advocate it becau;;;e infant mortality rate Rajasthan and Bihar have sbown achieve- is high in this country and we cannot ment of about 50% to 80% more than afford to push the one child their performance last year. This is family norm at tbis stage. Our Dorm primarily due to the political commitment continues to be the two-child family of OUf Prime Minister who reviewed the unit. We are also going to ba~e campaigns prOirammc every month. This political on individual family planning methods. commitment is being proarcssively We are going to have campaigns to increase operational ised in tbe field throuah t be motivation of our largc trained manpower Cbief Ministen and down to tbe grass loot in tbe country. These moti\~tiooal lewl. The hon. Health Minister, Shrimati and communication campaigns whicb are 00 Mohlin. Kidwai and myself bave extensh'ely tbe anvil will be visible to tbe bon. Members toured all tbe major States conducted and they will be on stream ready witbin derailed review and lOuaht to crea te a some weeks or months from now. motivated core &fOup of leadership in all Sir, for tbe nation as a whole, this year tbe States of tbe country. our sterilisation achievement is 18.3% .bow 1 would like to mention to tbe bon. last year, our I.U.C. insertions arc 25" Member tbat at the instance of tbe. Pri~e aoo,'e last year, tbe C.C. Users are 1&1. MlnJlter--u bu also bee~ mentioned In above last year and the oral pill uaers are &be Presldtat'. Address to tbe joint Session 13.7% above last year. The achiewmeDt 3'1 H.A.B. Di8. APRit 23.198' B.A.H. DII. 391 [Sbri S. Krishna Kumar] c.ountry that 160 million eUaible couples varies in difficult States. For four States live. Each of these eliaible couples have namely, Qujarat. Haryana, Tamil Nadu and to be from tbe staae of Don-.warness to Punjab tbe acbievement in sterilisation is awarness. knowledge and acceptance. This more tban 100% of targets. In I.V.D. is possible only if in addition to tbe Insertions, Gujarat, Haryana, Karnataka, propaganda and educational efforts sustain Kerala, Punjab, Rajasthan. Tamil Nadu and inter-personal motivation effort is Uttar Pradesh have achieved more than organised. The 5uccess of programme in 100% of tbe targets. Sir, we have a constant countries such as China and Indonesia is two-way communication system with tbe due to the fact tbat there arc a large States. In tbe last Conference beld by tbe number of committed grass-foot level Health Ministers. tbe major problems of tbe workers who pursue each of tbe i nd ividual States have been identified aod they are couples for motivating them. We have being corrected. Sir, this strategy, in decided, as a very big break·tbrougb in the addition to revising c\)mmunicatioD and programme, to create a cadre of two propaganda approaches, is going to million women valunteers at the grass-root rationalise the incentives. That is one level in the country. one for every sixth point which the bon. Member emphasised. eligible couples, tbese will be the volunteers We are going to have a incentive system, activists for women status and employ- which is structured, in which a couple who ment, child survival. nutrition, female adopts tbe two-child family limit is goiog to literacy, family planning, materna) child be given higher incentives. We are also care and other allied services. The boo. going to give bigher incentive to couples Member asked a particular question whether who are going to limit their children even if it is in relation to the dip in tbe programme tbey are ram ale children or girls. \ole are performance during tbe Janata regime. going to ba vc a bond scheme or an After the Emergency. tbe programme has insurance scheme whicb will give old-age seen many vicititudes in its history. security to people who are willing to limit In 1976-78, it had reached an all-time their families without male offspring. high record of 12.5 mimon acceptors. At Sir, this country has wide variations in the start of tbe Janata Rule in 1977·78, the family planning programme performance infant mortality and couple protection, dipped to one-third, that is, there were only wide variations in the out-reach of tbe 4.5 miUion acceptors. This has been Governmental and infrastructure~ wide variations in health services, wide vanatlons mainly due to misconceptions about the programme, rumours and other resistant in the customs, traditions and resistance facton predominating. We have DOW been pattern to family planning. The new able to put the programme back on the rail strategy prepared at the iUlitanccs of the and it has slowly gained momentum and as Prime Minister seeks 10 incorporate an area I said, we have reacbed this year the specific, a group specific approach and a target figure of 19 mjJ1jOD acceptors whicb is fifty specific approach which will concentrate per ceot more than the record at tbe timc of on the pattern which wiU increase resistance emergency. infrastrUctural outlay to backward States such as Uttar Pradesh. Bihar, Madhya The hone Prime Minister has dirCi;ted Pradesh and Rajastban. The cDtire the Department to acbieve taraets over aDd programme implementation machinery is above those prescribed in the 7th Plan. sought to be streamlined. We are loin. to keeping tbe programme at tho same time have: an inter-sectoral coordination of tbe an entirely voluntary movement. protectioa family welfare Department with other S()(;io .. the dianity of the individual but emphasis- economic development. This strategy takes iog peoples' coopcra\ioo and ~ommUDity family plaonina into broader dimensions participation, improved proaramme involvina family literacy. cbild survival, tnanapmcnt. so that. as Shrimati Indira women status and employment, anti-poverty Gandbi bad wi.~ this proarammc will proarammes, rural develov.neot aod so on become a aenuioe peopJea' movement. so tbat tbe grass-root level work en in tbe villqcs act in a coordinated fasbion-it is The Dew 'IratelY. it is boped, wiJJ be in tbc vWapa and urban prociocta of the tlna1ilod It tbe biabelt lewl witbJD. IDODtb or two. Thereafter it will be implemented 26th February. 1985, the Minister bas bim- OD tbe St'oUDd. self stated : Tbe bon. Prime Minister bas promised "Tbe performance of the Family tbat subject to improvements being achieved, Planning Programme during the 6th the funds win not be a constraint in the Plan shows that tbe overall achievement implementation of the family welfare was around 30 per cent of the target." pro~mme. Even for getting 1hrough an examination, To conclude, we have simultaneously minimum 33 per cent marks are required; launched the Indira Gandbi Shishu liwan students with 30 per cent marks fail in the Raksha Karyakaram which seeks to achieve class. universal immunisation of all Indian children and expectant mothers. We have to cover SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: That eight crores children and nine crores must be a typographical mistake. Tbe expectant mothers in the next four years. performance during the 6tb Plab was 80 per This is the biggest child survival effort ever cent. attempted anywhere in the world, which will cut down infant mortality in the country SHRI J\.fOOL CHAND DAGA : This by half and will Inter alia boost tbe is wbat is stated here. Then~ further it is acceptan~e of the family welfare pro- stated that the family planning performance gramme. depends 00 a number of factors. I would like to assure tbe House that Please see what is the money unspent in this Ministry is cummitted to achieve the Tamil Nadu? Money which is not spent family planning targets over and above in the State of Tamil Nadu is Rs. 576.53 those stipulated in tbe 7th Plan. This lakhs. In the Staw of Punjab it is Rs. Ministry is committed to translate tbe wish 975.09 la .... hs. Then in Madhya Pradesb, of tbe Prime Minister of putting tbis country it is Rs. 572.29 lakbs. Now I come to tbe on tbe targeted path of early population State of Jammu and Kashmir. 10 tbis stabilization. We hope to reach, what is State, the money unspent is Rs. 1.40 Jakhs. known as reproductive rate of unity by tbe In Himachal Pradesh" it is Rs. 630.02 lakbs. end of tbe century when the population will So, this is the answer. Money has not been be about ninety eight crores. spent in many of tbe States. Sir, there are 700 Members of Parlia- SHRI S KRISHNA KUMAR: I would ment and 4000 Members of Legislature in like to give tbe correct figure. India. A part of tbe strategy of popular participation is seeking the leadership role SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : of the representatives of the people Contraceptive bas its side-effects. 1, there- in the population movement. fore, want to know if you are going to Discussions in Parliament and outside will adopt any other methods or not. You have hclp to generate cnthusiasm and support planning for Laproscopy, but by what time for the programme. male-vaccine would be available in the market ...... (l"terruplioll~) In what way do I request tbe fuUest support of the tbe officers spend tbe funds. what is their House aod tbe boo. Members irrespective accountability. How many abortions have of party affiliations for makin, the family been done in the last three yc~us and what plaoolol programme an outstandiol success iocentives have you given to tbose persoDS. io tbe yoars abead. SHRI MANOJ PANDEY: Please speak MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Already something about M.T.P. also. the Minister bas answered in detail. You may please put your question only to elicit SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Our further inrormation. Doctors are sayina correctly. Yau are SHltJ MOOL CHAND DAOA : In also spending a lor of money in Scveatb ...... to Uostamd QuestioD No. 334 on Five Year PlaD .. 395 H.A.H. Di•• B.A.H. DI.. ~ (Shri Mool Chand Daaa] tiel to get a very good education to their children, but at the lame time, it is not (Eng/trill tbat considerate to the rural poor or tbe urban poor. They are giving only Rs. 150 More than 600 crores bas been spent. for Tubectomy operations and Rs. 75 for vasectomy operations. So, I want to know, {TI'anslation] through you and I suggest tbat this incentive should be increased to Rs. 500 for tubectomy Are you goiog to pass aoy legislation in operation and Rs. 250 for vasectomy this regard, if not, then how are we going operations, per person, who undertakes tbis to achieve success in Family Planning. operation because ultimately, it is this incen- tive which motivates the rural poor, who [English1 otherwise feels. he more children, will be very Late Smt. Indira Gandhi said: If bas he secure and in bis old age tbe children will C&lf there is one issue on which nation·s take care of him. That is the general motto and feeling among the poor people. So to consensus is most urgent, surely it is motivate them, tbe present incentive is not family planning." sufficient. The Government should increase it to Rs. SOO and Rs. 2S0 respectively. So, (Translation] through you. I want to know whether tbe Government is prepared to increase it to What are the names of the voluntary that level and tbe second tbing is that in organizations which receive funds from the our country, what we feel is there is less Government and have you ever fxed their response from minority communities. Re- accountability. How much is being spent on cently, when we had been to Indonesia. we the Parliamentary Forum for M.Ps. Do the enquired how the family plan ning process voluntary organizations work in villages was going on there. 90 per cent of tbe instead of teaching M.Ps. peol'le beloog to Islam. They are following Islam. There the people are taking to family [Engll,h] planning methods and they are trying every method and effort to control the population SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA growth. And when we enquired, we have RAO: Mr. Deputy Speaker. if our popu- been told tbat the Government have invited lation growth is Dot arrested, tbe day will tb~ leaders of the religions and the)' discussed Dot be far away when we exceed China and with tbem the need for arresting tbe stand first in tbe world with regard to population growth in the largest interest of population. The bon. Minister has, in areat the nation as we)) as the people for their detail, explained !nersl measures tbat have socio-economic development and they have been taken by the Government and also agreed and cooperated. Now, tbey have tbat are going to be tak~n in the near succeeded to a great extent in arresting the future. But through you Sir, I want to know population growth. So, through you, Sir, two things. Firstly. at present tbe Govern- I enquire from the hone Minister whether ment is giving advanced increments by way our Government also invite tbe leaders of of incentives to the Government employees all tbe religionS-Hinduism, Islam, Christi- who undertake family planning operations. anity, Jainism-and discuss with them and This actually resu1ts in several thou!tands try to impress upon tbem and involve them of rupees. in this very important national item, in tbe interest of tbe nation and take their 19.00 IIr•. cooperation also to educate the people who have sot every belief in what they say rather Ultimately. you calculate the financial than in what the Government say. SOlDO benefit tbat bas accrued to the employee people have lot all faith in what tbe Govern- because be bas undergone the operation. Sir, ment l8y, but there are many more people tbe Government is very kind eooulb to be wbo listen on 1, to the leaden of tbose very considerate to the employees who arc reI iaioas. So. wiU the Government also try to well-off ao4 who bavc lOt all tbe opportUDi- do tbat. make aD effort aDd involve tbo leaden ~97 H . .4.H. DI•• VAlSAKlIA S.ISJ08 (S.4K.,4) H . .4.H. DII_ 398 of the religion so that our Government'. From 1972 to 1984, we have done 34 effort will be more successful and we will lakbs of Medical Termination of Preanan- be more successful in preventing the popula- cies. These are the accepted figures. But tion growth. These are tbe two points wbich I would like to teU the bon. Members that I want to know from the bon. Minister. this figure is likely to be an under-estimate, because maoy of the medical termination of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now tbe pregnancies go unreported. hone >Minister. This Government does not feel tbe need for any separate legislation for family SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Sir, as plannins. There are many activities in the regards the first point raised by the hone country, for which no legislation is required. Member, Shri Daga, tbe figures quoted by We want this programme to become part him regarding the Sixth Five Year Plan cf the lives of the people. In case any achievements are not correct. legislation is necessary for any specific aspects of the programme, we shall consider Sir, as regards the Sixth Plan, I have the it at that moment. figures with me here. Our achievement is 79 per cent for sterilization, 81 per cent for Voluntary organizations are sought to 1UD, 83 per cent for condoms and for oral be involved in an increasing manner in the pills, it is roughly about 80 per cent. Of programme. Tbat is one of the main all the methods, I am not aware, where he planks of the programme. \\ e assist in a has got the figures of 30 per cent. In any major way. 30 to 40 voluntary organizations; case, it is incorrect. I have given Govern- but we will be assisting thousands of ment's authentic figures. voluntary organizations in the coming years. We have a separate strategy for SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA it. RAO: Mr. Daga is also provided infor- mation from Government libraries, and not The Indian Parliamentarians· Forum private ones. on Population is not being assisted by us substantialJy. We give tbem only some SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Again, funds for the conduct of seminars and so there is no lapse of funds in family planning on; and I am sure tbat involvement of programme, 8S mentioned by Shri Daga, Parliamentarians even in a national way because fundamentally. the family planning will help us considerably in improving tbe programme is a totally Centrally funded impact of tbe programme among the scheme. The States perform tbe functions; public. they conduct the programmes and get rdmbursed by the Central Government, As regards the other points raised, the to the extent to which they perform; and, whole question of incentives is under review. therefore, there is no question of lapse of We are aware tbat by giving one advance funds. It has always been a continuous increment to a Government servant for process of our exceed ing the budgeted allot- undergoing sterilization. sometimes the ments, from year to year. For instance, at Government servant sets, over tbe span tbe end of the 6tb Plan, we spent about 30% of his career, even Rs. 20,000 to Rs. 30,000. to 40% more than what was given to us in especially in the case of bigh~r brackets the beginning. of Government servants, whereas the common man gets only a one-time compen- The side effects of laparoscopy are sation of Rs. 100 or Rs. 120. This is under within 1%. which is allowed by technical review. We have already had discussions committees. We arc aware of the serious- witb the representatives of officers, and of ness of tbe side effects, and the negative other Karmachari Associations in this effects of tbe programme. It has been our regard. We wi)) be takins a view. As I effort to contain the side effects, or reactions; said. tbe whole question of increasing and and we bave well-tested-out methods of rationalizing tbe incentiv~ to I\ve grea.ter CODstant supervision and review. \0 lee tbat ICOpe for incentives, is also under considcra- the technical serv~s are kept a t the bipest tioa. But I would like to mention to bon. poulblc leyol. t.fombtn that fit \\0 DOt waDt to mate 399 H.A.H. DI,. APllIL 2'. 1986 B.A.H. Dl._ 40() (Sbri S. Krishna Komar1 strateaY; for each district, we will inteDsify the educational and motivational effort so this an incentive programme. We want that the gap can be progressively bridged. to concentrats on the educational effort, The whole exercise of revising tbe sterilisa- and improving tbe technical services, so tion bas taken into account the Jatest that people will take to family planning diagnostic market study by very competent in the normal course, and not as a result agencies in which 30,000 people have of. or as a response to incentives given by been interviewed in the last four month9. Government. We have gone through all tbe aspects of tbe programme. We have made an analysis This Question of some of the minority in all the studies conducted by the Depart- communities lagging behind in the ment in the last 31 years and have come programme is over-emphasized and out with an imaginative and comprehensive exaggerated. From the 1983-84 figures of strategy and it is this strategy which is pro- religion-wise acceptances, if we calculate posed to be implemented. the ratio of tbe percentage of people from each community accepting family planning, SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA divided by their percentage in the base RAO: If it is done at the national level population, we find that for Hindus it is and government takes steps. it will show 1.02 per cent. tbat is, they accept more very good results. or less on their proportion in the popula- tion. In the case of Muslims, it is 0.7 SARI S. KRISHNA KUMAR : The per cent; they lag beyond about 20 to 30 participation of all opinion leaders including per cent. But some people think that this religious functionaries is one of the compo- community is not accepting family planning nent of this strategy. at all. That is totally incorrect; there is 70 per cent accepta~ce. In the case of Sik bs MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House Community~ it is about 2 per cent it is double stands adjourned to meet tomorrow at their ratio in tbe popu\ ation. In the case of Christian CommuDity~ it is about 1 for 11 A.M. tbe minority group-their acceptance is almost tbe same as for Hindus. 19.12 brl. The Lok Sobhll then adjournlld till Eleven In tbe new strategy which we have o/the Clock on Thursday, April 24, adopted. we will concentrate on tbe 1986/Val$akha 4, 1908 (Saka). education of the lagging group. I do Dot want to mention them as religious groups. We are going to bave a district-wise Cbopdbal')' Mpdran Kendra, Maujpur, Delhi-53.