A P P E A R A N C E S
The Sole Member: His Honour Judge Peter Smithwick
For the Tribunal: Mrs. Mary Laverty, SC Mr. Justin Dillon, SC Mr. Dara Hayes, BL Mr. Fintan Valentine, BL
Instructed by: Jane McKevitt Solicitor
For the Commissioner of An Garda Siochana: Mr. Diarmuid McGuinness, SC Mr. Michael Durack, SC Mr. Gareth Baker, BL
Instructed by: Mary Cummins CSSO
For Owen Corrigan: Mr. Jim O'Callaghan, SC Mr. Darren Lehane, BL
Instructed by: Fintan Lawlor Lawlor Partners Solicitors
For Leo Colton: Mr. Paul Callan, SC Mr. Eamon Coffey, BL
Instructed by: Dermot Lavery Solicitors For Finbarr Hickey: Fionnuala O'Sullivan, BL
Instructed by: James MacGuill & Co.
For the Attorney General: Ms. Nuala Butler, SC Mr. Douglas Clarke, SC
Instructed by: CSSO
For Freddie Scappaticci: Eavanna Fitzgerald, BL Pauline O'Hare
Instructed by: Michael Flanigan Solicitor
For Kevin Fulton: Mr. Neil Rafferty, QC
Instructed by: John McAtamney Solicitor
For Breen Family: Mr. John McBurney
For Buchanan Family/ Heather Currie: Ernie Waterworth McCartan Turkington Breen Solicitors
For the PSNI: Mark Robinson, BL
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OWEN CORRIGAN
EXAMINED BY MR. O'CALLAGHAN 6 1
JIM LANE
EXAMINED BY MR. VALENTINE 75 1
CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. ROBINSON 84 23
CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. LEHANE 92 28
CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. ROBINSON 95 20
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1 THE TRIBUNAL RESUMED ON THE 30TH OF JULY, 2012, AS FOLLOWS:
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3 CHAIRMAN: Good morning.
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5 MR. DILLON: Chairman, we have two witnesses for you today,
6 this morning, it will be Mr. Owen Corrigan whose
7 examination will continue, I think Mr. O'Callaghan will
8 examine him this morning, and this afternoon we will have a
9 witness at 2:00, Mr. Jim Lane. And I think at the outset,
10 it might be helpful if, this morning, and I think Miss
11 McKevitt is attempting to elicit, if parties could indicate
12 their availability or, more accurately, their lack of
13 availability during the month of August, so that we can
14 determine when it will be possible to have sittings, if at
15 all, during the month of August. But I think we should --
16 hopefully we should be all right for this week, even though
17 this week goes into August. We will find out --
18 Ms. McKevitt is going around the room. We can deal with
19 that closer to one o'clock
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21 CHAIRMAN: Mr. Durack, I was looking over my notes and I
22 wondered whether your cross-examination is going to include
23 any material relating to this witness's serious allegations
24 against senior members of the Garda Siochana in Dundalk, or
25 are you accepting his evidence on that? It's a matter for
26 you.
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28 MR. DURACK: Sorry, I am not accepting his evidence in
29 relation to it, but at the moment I hadn't adverted to it,
30 I have to say. Perhaps I can come back to it.
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2 CHAIRMAN: All right. Yes.
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4 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Chairman, just before I start my
5 examination of Mr. Corrigan, you will recall circumstances
6 that last Tuesday I made my application in respect of the
7 SB50, and at the end of that application last Tuesday,
8 Mr. Robinson, on behalf of the PSNI, indicated that he
9 intended to call a witness, Mr. -- or Detective
10 Superintendent Roy McComb, who would give evidence in
11 respect of national security matters, and Mr. Robinson
12 indicated that that witness would be called the following
13 day, Wednesday. Now, I was informed prior to that, that
14 Mr. McComb wasn't going to deal with that evidence, that
15 someone else was going to deal with that evidence, but when
16 Mr. McComb was here on Wednesday I did ask him specifically
17 what problem did the PSNI have in disclosing the grading of
18 the SB50, and I was stopped by Mr. Dillon, and indeed by
19 Mr. Robinson, and I was informed you can't ask this witness
20 the question, he is not dealing with it. And I was told
21 that the PSNI would be calling another witness, namely
22 today, Monday, to deal with the matter. And now I am
23 informed this morning, and maybe Mr. Robinson wants to make
24 a submission in respect of this, but I am informed this
25 morning that, in fact, Mr. McComb is going to deal with
26 that matter but he is going to come back at a future date.
27 If that is the case, Chairman, I think it is very unfair to
28 Mr. Corrigan. We were told that Mr. McComb couldn't deal
29 with the matter. I asked him questions. I was stopped.
30 And now we are told he is. The effect of it all is that
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1 Mr. Corrigan is going to be gone from the witness-box by
2 the time this evidence is given by the PSNI, whichever
3 witness it is, and he won't have an opportunity to comment
4 on the grading.
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6 MR. DILLON: Maybe, on behalf of the Tribunal, if I might
7 reply. Clearly, Mr. Corrigan will not be put in a position
8 of being prejudiced by whatever the evidence on behalf of
9 the PSNI may disclose, if I can put it that way, if any
10 issue arises, and if, indeed, Mr. Corrigan has left the
11 witness-box finally by that time, then the Tribunal
12 certainly will afford him an opportunity to deal with the
13 matter. It's not the best timing, I accept that, but we
14 are in a difficult situation of holiday periods and we are
15 trying to accommodate as many people as possible and, at
16 the same time, to make as much progress as possible.
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18 CHAIRMAN: Yes.
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20 MR. DILLON: So, I think Mr. Corrigan can take it that he
21 will not be prejudiced if that should be the case, and I
22 don't know because I don't know what evidence is going to
23 be given by any evidence offered by the PSNI at a later
24 date. It's probably going to be the case that Mr. Corrigan
25 is going to be in the position, maybe, of having to come
26 back and, again, I put it very much in terms of maybe, to
27 deal with financial matters, but when we get that
28 disclosure, then we will know where we stand. I have made
29 it quite clear the disclosure may make it clear there is no
30 necessity to go into these matters, in which case that'll
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1 be the situation.
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3 CHAIRMAN: Yes. Mr. Robinson, do you have remarks you want
4 to make?
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6 MR. ROBINSON: Yes, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I
7 apologise for any inconvenience to the parties. A decision
8 was taken that Roy McComb would be the witness to give the
9 evidence regarding the SB50. Unfortunately he is on leave
10 this week, and both myself and my instructing solicitor
11 have other engagements next week. And, certainly, arising
12 out of the evidence of last Wednesday, I believe there are
13 a number of queries raised with the PSNI regarding the
14 evidence. Efforts are being made to address those issues
15 and it's envisaged that those can be dealt with at the same
16 time as Mr. McComb's return. Again, that needs to be
17 finalised regarding timings, but there was certainly no
18 intention to unfairly prejudice any party.
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20 CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. Now, I want to say of
21 course that anything of that nature where the evidence from
22 the PSNI is postponed to any extent, Mr. O'Callaghan's
23 client, Mr. Corrigan, must not be prejudiced by it, and I
24 agree, that of course he may have to give further evidence
25 if he thinks that's necessary to deal with this additional
26 PSNI from the PSNI.
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28 On a purely housekeeping point, may I say that it looks now
29 as if we are coming to the end of the present oral
30 evidence. Now, if anything further is needed, there may be
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1 a change of venue, but parties will all be notified of that
2 have in due course in good time. Sorry, there was
3 something else you wanted to say, Mr. O'Callaghan?
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5 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Chairman, only the point that no
6 explanation has been provided to you, Sir, as to why I
7 couldn't question Mr. McComb last Wednesday on the national
8 security issues. It would have been much more efficient
9 from the Tribunal's point of view. The witness was here,
10 he could have dealt with it, but no explanation has been
11 given to you by the PSNI, I say, not Mr. Dillon, in
12 fairness to him, but no explanation has been given by the
13 PSNI as to why they wouldn't allow me question him and why
14 he didn't give that evidence last Wednesday.
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16 CHAIRMAN: Well, as long as you are allowed to question him
17 when he does appear, that should deal with that point. I
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1 OWEN CORRIGAN WAS EXAMINED BY MR. O'CALLAGHAN AS FOLLOWS:
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3 1 Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Mr. Corrigan, I think today is your 14th
4 day giving evidence. Are you aware of that?
5 A. Yes, Mr. Chairman.
6 2 Q. I have a book, Chairman, for you and for Mr. Dillon, and
7 indeed for Mr. Mills. Mr. Corrigan, I think you have had a
8 chance to see this book already. I showed you -- or your
9 solicitor gave you this book over the weekend?
10 A. That's right.
11 3 Q. And you left your copy, I think, at home, is that right?
12 A. That's right, yes.
13 4 Q. You are going to have to do without a copy but you see the
14 screen behind you, if anything is put up on that you can
15 have a look at it up there.
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17 MR. DILLON: I can offer my copy if I can get it back.
18 (Book handed to the witness.)
19
20 5 Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Just at the outset, Mr. Corrigan, you
21 have been asked questions here about events that have taken
22 place between 20 and 30 years ago. What is your memory
23 like at present?
24 A. Very sporadic.
25 6 Q. And --
26 A. And accurate in some matters and totally unclear in other
27 matters.
28 7 Q. Would you agree with me, though, irrespective of your age
29 and your medical condition, that anyone who is asked to
30 recount events which took place between 20 and 30 years ago
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1 is going to have difficulty recounting those events?
2 A. Absolutely, yes.
3 8 Q. It was mentioned to you last week by counsel for Mr. Keeley
4 that individuals remember where they were at big events,
5 and he cited the assassination of the former American
6 president, Mr. Kennedy, do you recall that?
7 A. Yes.
8 9 Q. Obviously you recall where you were when you heard when
9 these men were murdered, is that correct?
10 A. I was, and I did recall it, Mr. Chairman.
11 10 Q. But, of course, the questions you have been asked aren't
12 about where you were when you found out the men were being
13 murdered, but you were being asked to recall what you were
14 doing four or five hours beforehand, isn't that so?
15 A. That's correct, Mr. Chairman.
16 11 Q. And in fairness to you, and you have been asked repeatedly,
17 you don't recall what you were doing on the 20th March 1989
18 prior to hearing of the murder of these two men, isn't that
19 so?
20 A. I don't, because there was nothing in particular that I
21 could refer to. Like, it was a very quiet day by Dundalk
22 standards and there was nothing specific happened that
23 would have reminded me of what went on on that day in
24 question, apart from the unfortunate murder of these two
25 men.
26 12 Q. And although these were heinous murders of the two men,
27 those type of events were not uncommon in Northern Ireland,
28 and indeed in the border area in the '70s, '80s and early
29 part of the '90s, isn't that correct?
30 A. Absolutely not. I wouldn't say they were a daily
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1 occurrence but certainly they were every few weeks you had
2 bodies lying along the border, Mr. Chairman.
3 13 Q. I want -- sorry -- continue.
4 A. And you had all type of atrocities committed by both sides;
5 it was a tit-for-tat situation, and bodies would be found
6 murdered by the groups that were roaming around and then
7 the IRA would come along and retaliate. And it was
8 extremely -- like, nobody here would appreciate the
9 situation that it was in the '70s; it was absolutely
10 horrific. And every day it brought its own tale of carnage
11 and you would think one day would be a shocking event and
12 it would be overshadowed by a worse horrific event the
13 following week. Like, you'd wonder at what level, how much
14 worse could it get, and that is the way we lived from time
15 to time, and it was -- there was no question of time, and
16 especially at weekends, like, there was no question of
17 having proper meal times or anything because you went home
18 for a bit of a break at lunchtime or a Saturday especially,
19 and the next thing there would be a bomb out on the border
20 and you had to go and go out there with the patrols or
21 whoever was there, it wouldn't necessarily be me, but my
22 men would have to go out there and stay there and stay
23 there and no meal or no nothing, such was the exigency of
24 the service, you had to be there, and there was no
25 provision made for any catering arrangements or anything.
26 14 Q. OK, Mr. Corrigan, I want to start by asking you questions
27 about, I suppose, the core of your evidence to this
28 Tribunal, which is that you believe that the allegation
29 against the Garda Siochana in general, and you in
30 particular, is effectively a conspiracy to deflect
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1 attention from collusion in Northern Ireland?
2 A. Oh, I have no doubt, and I said that the first day,
3 Mr. Chairman.
4 15 Q. Yes. Now, I want to take you back to the 20th of March
5 1989, and the immediate aftermath of that. Are you aware
6 that there were some newspaper reports about there being,
7 perhaps, a mole in the Gardaí leading to the murder of two
8 men at that time in March 1989?
9 A. Yeah, there would have been, yes, sporadic reporting.
10 16 Q. And --
11 A. Funny enough, it didn't, it didn't feature with all the
12 local papers. It was more or less the tabloids, the
13 papers, because the papers in Dundalk were responsible
14 journalists and they didn't take up that story at all. It
15 was more or less the daily papers of the tabloid variety.
16 17 Q. Now, there is a document, Mr. Corrigan, that I am not going
17 to ask anyone to look at but I am just going to refer to it
18 so that the Chairman and the Tribunal are aware of it.
19 It's a document called HMG 203, and in that it details
20 approximately 253 media paper reports from around the time
21 of the murders of the two officers. Do you follow what I
22 am saying to you?
23 A. Yes.
24 18 Q. And having gone through it, the headlines in those stories,
25 and of course they may be within the body of the story
26 something different, but it's only in 14 of those stories
27 that there is a reference to the possibility of there being
28 a mole in the Gardaí?
29 A. Yes.
30 19 Q. So would you agree with me that at the time of the murders
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1 in 1989, although it was mentioned in the media, there
2 wasn't really any serious consideration or thought given to
3 the prospect of there being a mole in the garda station?
4 A. Not really, no. It wasn't in general circulation. It may
5 have been for a time and then it would fade away and it
6 mentioned over another period of time, but it wasn't an
7 ongoing coverage that it got.
8 20 Q. But at the time of the murders, although there was some
9 newspaper reports about it, generally that was not a
10 suggestion that was given serious consideration?
11 A. No, because it was any allegations in that respect were
12 made by northern politicians, such as Mr. Paisley and
13 others like that, you know, which was part and parcel of
14 life. They were issuing -- any time there was an outrage
15 in Northern Ireland, Mr. Paisley was first up to blame
16 garda collusion.
17 21 Q. Now, are you aware that on the day after the murders, there
18 was a report in The Irish Times quoting an RUC spokesperson
19 who denied that there was any suggestion of a mole in the
20 garda station? Are you aware of that, yes or no?
21 A. Well, I don't know.
22 22 Q. OK.
23 A. The only one that denied it was the Chief Constable.
24 23 Q. OK. This is what was quoted in the report in The Irish
25 Times on the day after the murders, the last two paragraphs
26 of The Irish Times, and it stated: "As speculation grew
27 that the IRA must have had inside information to plan the
28 attack on two the men, the RUC in Belfast issued a
29 categoric denial that this was the case. A spokesman said
30 'even the Gardaí didn't know what way they would be going.
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1 There were no bombs, so it wasn't prepared beforehand. The
2 IRA must have been using their radios and they set the
3 attack up after seeing the men drive into Dundalk police
4 station'."
5
6 Do you recall that that was the attitude of the RUC at the
7 time?
8 A. I can't, really, no. As I said, the only quote that I
9 remember was the Chief Constable denied that there was any
10 collusion that evening or the following day, now, I am not
11 quite sure.
12 24 Q. OK. Now, there were suggestions, as I said to you, of a
13 mole in the newspaper, around the 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd of
14 March 1989. Between March 1989 and the publication of
15 Bandit Country in October 1999, do you recall any other
16 prominent suggestions that there was collusion in respect
17 of the murders of Chief Superintendent Breen and
18 Superintendent Buchanan?
19 A. No, there was none.
20 25 Q. Would you agree with me that during that ten-and-a-half
21 year period, effectively no suggestions were made that this
22 was being -- this had occurred as a result of garda
23 collusion, as far as you are aware, Mr. Corrigan?
24 A. That's right, yes.
25 26 Q. And then that changed with the publication of Bandit
26 Country, isn't that correct?
27 A. Absolutely.
28 27 Q. Did you read Bandit Country?
29 A. I did, yes.
30 28 Q. Could I ask you to have a look, and indeed, Chairman, if
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1 you could have a look as well at the first tab in the book
2 that I have handed up, and there is references from Bandit
3 Country in that. If Mr. Mills wishes to put it up, he can.
4 But in the third page in, which is entitled at the top
5 right-hand corner: "We got 18 and Mountbatten" do you see
6 that? The third page in; the first line is: "Breen was
7 travelling to Dundalk that day." It's up on the screen
8 there if you have any difficulty. I just want to read out
9 three sections from Bandit Country that form, effectively,
10 the genesis of this inquiry.
11
12 "'Breen was travelling to Dundalk that day', said an RUC
13 sergeant who was one of the last to see Breen alive. Breen
14 was uneasy about the meeting and had confided to the
15 sergeant that he was concerned about one garda officer,
16 identified here as 'Garda X', whom RUC Special Branch
17 believed might be working for the IRA."
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19 Now, are you aware, Mr. Corrigan, that Alan Mains, a former
20 sergeant in the RUC, believes that he is the person that
21 gave that information to Toby Harnden?
22 A. Yes.
23 29 Q. So that is the first piece of the book I wish to refer you
24 to. If you turn over the page and at the bottom of the
25 next page, the last three lines, we get the beginning of
26 the crucial allegation by Mr. Harnden, where he says at the
27 bottom of that page: "There was also technical information
28 which confirmed that the IRA had been contacted by someone
29 within Dundalk Station. RUC Special Branch then received
30 intelligence that a garda officer had telephoned an IRA
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1 member to tip him off. This sequence of events was
2 confirmed by Detective Inspector L, a former member of
3 Garda Special Branch, who said 'I'm afraid the leak came
4 from a guard. Bob Buchanan was a lovely, lovely man and
5 those murders were an absolute tragedy. The fact that one
6 of my colleagues was involved made the whole thing ten
7 times worse'."
8
9 Now, are you aware, Mr. Corrigan, that the RUC have
10 confirmed that contrary to what Mr. Harnden says, there is
11 no technical information confirming that the IRA had been
12 contacted by someone within Dundalk?
13 A. I am, yes.
14 30 Q. Yes. And are you aware that when Mr. Harnden says "RUC
15 Special Branch then received intelligence that a garda
16 officer had telephoned an IRA member to tip him off" that
17 the RUC have no intelligence to that effect?
18 A. I am, yes.
19 31 Q. OK. And the quote there which is from a Detective
20 Inspector L, are you aware that retired Detective Inspector
21 Prenty has informed, and given evidence to the Chairman
22 that he did speak to Mr. Harnden, but he has categorically
23 denied that he said anything such as that to him?
24 A. I am, yes.
25 32 Q. And we know that Detective Superintendent Prenty is the
26 only -- or Detective Inspector Prenty is the only Garda
27 Detective Inspector who spoke to Mr. Harnden, so that is a
28 reference to him?
29 A. That's right, yes.
30 33 Q. Yes. Now, then, if I could just ask you to look down at
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1 the end of the big paragraph in the middle of that page
2 that we have just looked at and Mr. Harnden continues,
3 about six lines from the bottom he says: "An RUC Special
4 Branch officer who was able to name the garda officer who
5 had told the IRA about the meeting said 'Hermon stamped on
6 that story but it was blatantly true. [Garda X] was a
7 well-known republican sympathiser. The question is: what
8 else did he tell the IRA?' Garda X was later involved in
9 laundering money for the IRA but fell out of favour after
10 being accused of creaming off part of the profits."
11
12 Now, that book came out in around October 1999,
13 Mr. Corrigan. Can you recall, did you read it at the time
14 or did anyone say to you I think you are the person being
15 identified in this book?
16 A. No, it was general talk, yeah, there was reference made to
17 me --
18 34 Q. OK.
19 A. -- about it, you know, and I mean, from a very -- while the
20 situation is things were dormant, it became the whole
21 discussion amongst members of the public, you know, in the
22 border area.
23 35 Q. And, of course, would you agree with me that what is stated
24 in this book is very serious and very astonishing
25 information?
26 A. Absolutely.
27 36 Q. It suggests that a member of An Garda Siochana colluded in
28 the murder of the two most senior RUC officers during the
29 Troubles, isn't that correct?
30 A. That's right.
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1 37 Q. And this is really the first time since the murders that
2 this theory has been advanced in a serious way, isn't that
3 correct?
4 A. That's correct, yes.
5 38 Q. OK. Now, then, there was a second edition of Mr. Harnden's
6 book the following year, in 2000, are you aware of that?
7 A. Yes.
8 39 Q. And if you just go forward two pages, you will see that he
9 adds to the allegations against Garda X and he brings in a
10 Garda Y in that book, and at page 460, after the quote on
11 that page, you will see he says the following: "For the
12 families of Chief Superintendent Harry Breen and
13 Superintendent Bob Buchanan the anguish of their loved
14 ones' deaths was exacerbated by the revelation that they
15 had been betrayed by Garda X. Although Sir Ronnie
16 Flanagan, the RUC Chief Constable, mounted an internal
17 inquiry into the June '89 killings at the request of the
18 families, there was little hope of a prosecution ever being
19 brought. It also emerged that a second Irish police
20 officer, Garda Y, had been working for the IRA in the
21 border area during 1985 and 1991. According to both RUC
22 and Garda sources, Garda X and Garda Y were responsible for
23 the deaths of at least 12 people, among them were Constable
24 Tracy Doak and her three colleagues, Lord Chief Justice and
25 Lady Gibson, and the Hanna family were blown up at Killeen
26 during cross-border transfers between the Gardaí and the
27 RUC. Tom Oliver, a farmer from the Cooley Peninsula, was
28 passing information about the IRA safe houses and weapons
29 dumps to the Gardaí was betrayed by Garda Y." Now that's,
30 of course, not you; you know you are apparently the person
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1 being referred to as Garda X?
2 A. That's right, yes.
3 40 Q. Garda Y is someone else. "... abducted and shot dead by
4 the IRA. Sometime later RUC Special Branch told Dublin
5 about Garda Y's role and he was quietly moved to a station
6 where he would not be dealing with sensitive information.
7 He subsequently retired to draw his garda pension and
8 worked for an IRA member in north Louth."
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10 So we have a situation where nothing happens for
11 ten-and-a-half years and then Toby Harnden publishes a book
12 which contains astonishing information suggesting Garda
13 collusion.
14 A. That's correct, yes.
15 41 Q. Are you aware of where Mr. Harnden got his information
16 from?
17 A. Well, for a start, the RUC gave him full access to a lot of
18 information, and that's contained in the documentation of
19 that file which I read over the weekend, you know.
20 42 Q. And in fairness to you, you have never seen this
21 documentation before, isn't that correct?
22 A. No, no.
23 43 Q. And in fact, your legal advisors were only provided with
24 this documentation during the past two weeks, you are aware
25 of that?
26 A. That's right. And the emphasis is placed on it, it's said
27 that he should be invited and encouraged. So, in other
28 words, to use for propaganda purposes to do damage to the
29 IRA. Well, I can add to do damage to the IRA and Owen
30 Corrigan, as far as I am concerned.
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1 44 Q. OK. What I want to do now is look at the next document,
2 which is a HMG 92, and it's a document, the numbering is at
3 the top right-hand corner, Mr. Corrigan, I have numbered it
4 number 1, it's a letter from the Daily Telegraph --
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6 CHAIRMAN: Where is this?
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8 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: It's the next document, Chairman, after
9 the second edition of Bandit Country. It's not in tab 2,
10 it's in tab 1, Chairman, but it comes after Bandit Country.
11 You have Bandit Country and then you have the second
12 edition of Bandit Country, and then you have a letter from
13 the Daily Telegraph dated 10th of February 1998, sir, and
14 it's entitled "HMG 92" and I want to open this document,
15 Mr. Corrigan, because it hasn't been opened before and I
16 want to ask you questions about it.
17
18 It's a letter from Toby Harnden of the Daily Telegraph to
19 the Head of Information at the RUC, and it's dated the 10th
20 of February 1998. And it says:
21 "Dear X,
22 As I mentioned some time ago, I am currently working on a
23 book about the IRA in south Armagh during the Troubles and
24 would be extremely grateful for any assistance the RUC
25 might be able to give me. Although much of the book would
26 be historical in nature, some of it will attempt to deal
27 with ongoing terrorist activity, and I appreciate that
28 there will be both constraints on what you can reveal and
29 what I can write. You can rest assured, however, that any
30 information given to me by the RUC would be treated
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1 responsibly. A manuscript of the book will be passed to
2 the D Notice Committee at the Ministry of Defence before
3 publication and I understand it will then be passed to you
4 for comment, so any inadvertent breaches of security could
5 be sorted out then. The army might be better placed to
6 help me with some of this but they have asked me to respect
7 police primacy and direct requests through you.
8
9 Anyway the following is a list of ideas which we could
10 perhaps discuss:
11
12 "a. An interview with Detective Superintendent X, head of
13 Special Branch in southern region. Obviously this would be
14 off the record and could be very much a case of my bouncing
15 ideas off him and discussing broader trends and issues.
16 This could be very valuable to me in that it would give me
17 an up-to-date feel for how SB view south Armagh PIRA.
18
19 "b. An interview with the Chief Constable preferably on
20 the record, although of course I would leave this to his
21 discretion drawing particularly on his experience as head
22 of Special Branch. In addition, if there were any retired
23 Special Branch or CID officers in whose direction I could
24 be pointed, then that would be immensely useful.
25
26 "c. Help with statistics e.g. analysis of number of
27 bombings and shootings. security force casualties,
28 civilian casualties et cetera. It could be particularly
29 useful if these could be represented on maps of County
30 Armagh.
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1
2 "d. Help with information and diagrams on PIRA weapons and
3 bombs. I understand the RUC has a weapons and explosives
4 research centre at Carrickfergus, if possible access to
5 photographs of incidents would be very welcome.
6
7 "d. [sic] access to historical files on certain incidents,
8 perhaps in the same way, for example, as Martin Dillon had
9 access to police files for his Shankill Butchers book.
10 Obviously I have gathered information from newspaper
11 cuttings, et cetera, but there may well be that there is
12 additional information which could be released now without
13 compromising security or legal proceedings. If necessary,
14 of course, I need not reveal the source of any information
15 taken from police files.
16
17 Among the particular incidents I am interested in are:
18 murder of Constables Donaldson and Millar; murder of
19 Private Ian Armstrong near Crossmaglen; shooting of Michael
20 McVerry (IRA member) at Keady; murder of four soldiers by
21 milk churn bomb near Forkhill; Tullyvallen Orange Hall
22 massacre; murder of three in Donnelly's Bar, Silverbridge
23 by Loyalists; Kingsmills Massacre; shooting of Seamus
24 Harvey near Crossmaglen; murder of Captain Nairac; murder
25 of Patrick McEntee; Narrow Water massacre; murder of
26 Anthony Shields near Crossmaglen; mortar bombing of Newry
27 RUC base; murder of four RUC officers by Killeen trailor;
28 murder of Lord Chief Justice and Lady Gibson; deaths of
29 Brendan Burns and Brendan Moley; murder of Chief
30 Superintendent Harry Breen and Superintendent Bob Buchanan,
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1 March '89; murder of Constable Louis Robinson; murder of
2 Private Kenneth Newell; 'Sniper' murders.
3
4 "e. While of course I have my own contacts and sources of
5 information, I would welcome any suggestions from former or
6 serving RUC officers with particular experience of south
7 Armagh or who were involved in any of the above incidents
8 who might talk to then.
9
10 "I hope to have the first draft of the book written by the
11 end of August. While there is sometime to play with, I am
12 keen to crack on with as much as this as possible while
13 things remain relatively quiet. I am aware that the above
14 is asking a lot but I hope it will at least provide a basis
15 for discussing what may or may not be possible.
16
17 "Yours sincerely,
18 Toby Harnden
19
20 "P.S. I forgot to mention another key subject -
21 racketeering."
22 And the rest of it is not possible to see.
23
24 Would you agree with me, Mr. Corrigan, on the 10th February
25 1998, Toby Harnden contacted the RUC looking for
26 information about, amongst other things, the murders of
27 Chief Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan?
28 A. That's right, yes.
29 45 Q. If you go to page, the next page, the pagination is on the
30 top right-hand corner, page 3, you will see that this was
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1 subject to an internal RUC document dated 19th of May 1998,
2 that is at the bottom of the page. And you will see the
3 subject is "Attorney Request" and this is referred to as
4 "HMG 93", it's addressed to the Assistant Chief Constable
5 Crime, and it's from the Chief Information Officer, who I
6 believe is the person in the press office of the RUC. And
7 it says:
8 "Frankly, I had hoped that this project wouldn't go ahead
9 in view of the considerable amount of information he is
10 requesting, but Toby now has a firm commission and is
11 anxious to start work as quickly as possible.
12
13 "Obviously, much of the material is crime orientated and do
14 I believe the difficulties with some of the older files.
15 Toby is a responsible journalist (if that isn't a
16 contradiction in terms) and if such access is possible, he
17 would be a prime candidate.
18
19 "Personally, I would be keen to help him as I am confident
20 the resulting book would be a powerful indictment of the
21 IRA. Could you suggest a means of assisting him, perhaps
22 through an initial meeting to determine what is practical?
23
24 "I have raised the SB angle with Assistant Chief Constable
25 E."
26
27 So would you agree with me, Mr. Corrigan, that as of May
28 1998, certainly the press office of the RUC are anxious to
29 facilitate Mr. Harnden in providing him with information?
30 A. That's right, that is what I said to you earlier.
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1 46 Q. OK. So we know then, that in October 1999, Mr. Harnden's
2 book is published, you are aware of that?
3 A. That's right, yes.
4 47 Q. And at page 4, the next document, there is another document
5 "HMG 94" which is an internal Royal Ulster Constabulary
6 document from the Detective Chief Inspector of 'H' Division
7 and it's to another Detective Chief Superintendent, and
8 this is dated 29th of November 1999, and obviously this is
9 written after the book is published, you are aware of that?
10 A. Yes.
11 48 Q. OK. And the Detective Chief Inspector states the
12 following: "I refer to the attached papers concerning the
13 publication of photographs and the general content of the
14 book 'Bandit Country: The IRA and South Armagh' by Toby
15 Harnden. May I firstly say that the ACC's direction
16 concerning verification of exactly what material was made
17 public by way of closure/court proceedings is ongoing.
18
19 "I have perused this book in book and can say that I am
20 astounded at the detail contained therein. There are
21 perhaps hundreds of matters which could be the subject of
22 police investigations and further inquiry. I am however
23 aware that the author received many 'off record' briefings
24 by senior police, including SB/CID and press office, and
25 was also in receipt of same by various military units and
26 agencies. Therefore much of the detail will have been
27 sanctioned and provided with due authority.
28
29 "The main issues which I believe should be investigated
30 expeditiously are:
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1
2 1. The publication and source to the author of the
3 photographs as mentioned by ACC Crime in his report of 8
4 November '99 and
5
6 2. The information concerning the murder on 20 March 1989
7 of Chief Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan
8 (extract attached with salient points highlighted).
9
10 "From an investigative standpoint, I believe it would be
11 prudent to firstly interview Toby Harnden to ascertain what
12 information he is willing to furnish on these matters. In
13 the case of the photographs, should he tell us (on or off
14 record) of his source of supply, this will negate a
15 lengthy, time consuming and costly paper chase. Moreover,
16 in the case of the information in respect to the murders of
17 Chief Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan, we
18 may be able to ascertain the authenticity and grade of the
19 information referred to and importantly from where same
20 emanated.
21
22 "I fully appreciate that it may well be the case that
23 Harnden will claim journalistic privilege. However that
24 factor alone should not impinge on us pursuing this
25 important line of inquiry. Furthermore, should it later be
26 deemed necessary to seek the recovery of Harnden's records
27 or notes through the courts, that fact that this
28 information was primarily sought from him can be
29 substantiated. It's interesting to note that I understand
30 Harnden faced possible action by the Saville Inquiry for
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1 destroying notes made by him in respect of soldiers
2 interviewed and whose identity he refuses to reveal to the
3 inquiry.
4
5 "I have made contact with Harnden by telephone in New York.
6 He has no intention of returning to Northern Ireland and
7 will require to do so by the Saville Inquiry which he
8 believes was sometime in early 2000. I explained to him
9 the nature of my initial inquiries, photographs,
10 information re the murders and he has indicated he is
11 willing to be interviewed when he returns to Northern
12 Ireland or alternatively in New York. However, during this
13 telephone conversation he made reference to 'protecting his
14 source of information'.
15
16 "The family of our murdered colleague Chief Superintendent
17 Breen, have been in contact with Detective Chief Inspector
18 [blank] and I have made arrangements to see them. The
19 family of our murdered colleague Superintendent Buchanan
20 have been in contact with Superintendent [blank]. Both
21 families have been informed that the matters raised by
22 Harnden will be the subject of investigation.
23
24 "I forward this report for your information and direction,
25 please."
26
27 Now, it's apparent would from that, would you agree, Mr.
28 Corrigan, that Mr. Harnden received briefings from senior
29 RUC men, Special Branch men, and the press office, and the
30 various military units and agencies?
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1 A. Absolutely, yeah.
2 49 Q. Yes. And can you appreciate why the families of the late
3 Chief Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan
4 would be so concerned when they saw the content of his
5 book?
6 A. Absolutely, yes.
7 50 Q. Yes. It was a natural reaction for any family?
8 A. Certainly.
9 51 Q. Now, the next page, page 6, and these are in chronological
10 order, is another RUC internal document from the Regional
11 Head of CID, and it's dated 30th of November 1999, and it's
12 concerns Bandit Country and it's addressed to the Assistant
13 Chief Constable Crime: It says:
14 "Please see attached report of Detective Chief Inspector X,
15 dated 28th November 1999." We don't appear to have that
16 that.
17
18 "It is blatantly obvious that the material contained within
19 the publication emanated from official sources. If I
20 remember correctly, I was advised that Toby Harnden had the
21 blessing of Headquarters and should be briefed by CID on
22 specific investigations. This being the case, it is also
23 reasonable to assume that he was briefed by both Special
24 Branch and military. Indeed the material content including
25 photographs could only be sourced via the security network.
26
27 "It therefore seems to me futile to pursue an investigation
28 as suggested in your minutes dated 8 November '99. However
29 I suggest that we continue to investigate the
30 Breen/Buchanan disclosure and advise the family
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1 accordingly.
2
3 "You may also feel that in interview with the author would
4 be prudent and rather have him interviewed in America, we
5 await his return to this jurisdiction."
6 Would you agree with me, Mr. Corrigan, that what the
7 Regional Head of CID is stating there is that listen, there
8 is no point in trying to find out from Toby Harnden where
9 he got the information because he clearly got it with the
10 blessing of RUC Headquarters?
11 A. Absolutely.
12 52 Q. And he got it from briefings from Special Branch and the
13 military?
14 A. Yes.
15 53 Q. What they do recognise is that however something should be
16 done about Breen and Buchanan families' complaints, isn't
17 that so?
18 A. Yes.
19 54 Q. Are you OK? Mr. Corrigan, are you OK?
20 A. OK.
21 55 Q. If you turn to the next page, you will see another RUC
22 document. This is dated the 26th of January 2000. And,
23 again, it's concerning Bandit Country, it's from the
24 Detective Chief Inspector in 'H' Division and addressed to
25 the Chief Superintendent, and he says the following:
26 "I refer to the attached papers and wish to report the
27 current position in respect of this matter. I have
28 established that 39 official prints were made of the
29 suspects who were photographed in police custody.
30 Considering the extensive distribution lists of these
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1 prints and the high number of police officers having
2 abscess to same, coupled with the points I made in the
3 second paragraph of my report dated 29 November, I have
4 feel that it may be prudent not to immediately further this
5 aspect of the inquiry. Have spoken again by telephone to
6 the author of the publication, Mr. Toby Harnden. He has
7 received no direction to date to attend the Bloody Sunday
8 Inquiry and now anticipates that he will not be required in
9 March or a April.
10
11 "Obviously we have a pressing duty to speak with Harnden in
12 connection with the murder inquiry relating to Chief
13 Superintendent Breen and Superintend Buchanan. Moreover, I
14 have indicated that I will update the Breen family (Please
15 see copy letter attached.) I still harbour fears that
16 Harnden will claim journalistic privilege and frustrate our
17 inquiries. However, considering the seriousness of this
18 matter and also our obligation to the next of kin, I see no
19 viable alternative other than to be seen to progress this
20 matter expeditiously. If Harnden were to reciprocate with
21 off record briefings, such as he was provided with, and an
22 open line of trust and communication is established, it
23 will would greatly assist in furthering not only these
24 issues but also others that will no doubt arise. I
25 therefore suggest that arrangements are made to interview
26 Harnden in connection with the relevant matters."
27
28 And at that stage, from the RUC's point of view,
29 Mr. Corrigan, the only relevant matters are the murders of
30 Breen and Buchanan, isn't that right?
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1 A. That's right, yes.
2 56 Q. Now, if you turn over the page to page 8, there is another
3 internal RUC document dated 27th of March 2000, it's from
4 Detective Chief Inspector and it's to the Regional Command
5 CID in Gough Barracks, and it says: "As you are aware, I am
6 currently investigating matters arising from the
7 publication written by Toby Harnden entitled 'Bandit
8 Country: The IRA and south Armagh'. Queries in respect of
9 this book have been raised by the family of Chief
10 Superintendent Breen and I have obviously submitted reports
11 in respect of these issues.
12
13 I have today, 23rd March 2000, received a copy of an
14 article which was published in The Irish Times on 10 March
15 2000 (see attached). This article was forwarded to me by X
16 who questioned what action has/would be taken in regard to
17 the information contained therein.
18
19 "I have spoken to the journalist" -- who we know is
20 Mr. Myers -- "concerning the content of his report. He has
21 indicated that he would be willing to speak to me in
22 connection with same. However I acutely aware of the
23 sensitivity of this issue, particularly with the recent
24 call by Unionist politicians for a public inquiry into
25 these allegations, and I therefore now forward a copy of
26 the article in question for your information in order that
27 appropriate action can be discussed and directed."
28
29 So now into the mix, Mr. Corrigan, we have Mr. Myers'
30 article, isn't that correct?
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1 A. That's correct.
2 57 Q. And you are aware that Mr. Myers' article, to a large
3 extent, replicates the allegations in both editions of Toby
4 Harnden's book, isn't that so?
5 A. That's right, yes.
6 58 Q. Now the next document, numbered 9, is dated 31st of March
7 2000. It's from the Regional Head of CID in the RUC in the
8 south region and it's addressed to the Head of Branch CI
9 Knacknagoney. And it's in respect of the murder of Chief
10 Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan. And the
11 author says:
12 "I refer to the attached report and the papers forwarded
13 previously in respect of the publication entitled 'Bandit
14 Country' written by Toby Harnden.
15
16 "I wish to deal firstly with the attached article
17 attributed to Kevin Myers published in the Irish Times on
18 10 March 2000. It's appropriate that an interview in
19 connection with the matters raised is effected at an early
20 opportunity. Mr. Myers has indicated to Detective Chief
21 Inspector X that he is willing to be spoken to and if there
22 are no associated contentious issues, I would propose that
23 this is actively pursued. The Detective Chief
24 Superintendent Inspector hopes to conduct this interview in
25 Northern Ireland which obviously would be desirable
26 considering the matters involved.
27
28 "As you are aware this issue is directly related to the
29 reports previously forwarded.
30
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1 "As Detective Chief Inspector X has outlined in his report,
2 he received the newspaper cutting in question from the
3 Breen family. The family have questioned what is being
4 done about the information (concerning Chief Superintendent
5 Breen's murder) contained in Harnden's book and what
6 has/will be done with regard to the revelations of Kevin
7 Myers. Indeed they have posed searching questions over a
8 period of months about the present direct comparisons as to
9 the cost and resourcing of the Finucane and Nelson
10 inquiries. To emphasise these points they have quoted the
11 Secretary of State in respect of his public comments as to
12 expenditure incurred on those investigations.
13
14 "Considering the numerous representations to police by the
15 Breen and Buchanan families, I now feel it's incumbent upon
16 us to speedily address such and to do so by conducting
17 interviews with Myers and Harnden forthwith. Moreover, I
18 am acutely aware of the dangers of interviewing journalists
19 alone, the pitfalls that exist are patently evident and
20 consequently leave me in no doubt that two officers should
21 conduct the questioning. Furthermore, I take due
22 cognisance of the sensitive factors involved in these lines
23 of inquiry, and coupled with the onus we have to next of
24 kin, I believe it is fitting that I take a personal and
25 active role in the project of these investigations and
26 accordingly propose to accompany Detective Chief Inspector
27 X. The factors involved leave me in no doubt that this is
28 the prudent manner of furthering these inquiries."
29
30 So they decide that they wanted to pursue Mr. Harnden
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1 further to find out about the Breen/Buchanan allegations?
2 A. Yes.
3 59 Q. Because the families are justifiably contacting the RUC and
4 saying "what are you doing about this?"
5 A. That's right, yes.
6 60 Q. The next document, document 11, is a document entitled "HMG
7 26" and it's dated the 25th of September 2000. It's
8 entitled "Secret" the subject is: "Allegations of Garda
9 PIRA collusion" and what we note from the top of the page,
10 fax cover line, is that it appears to have been faxed on
11 the 3rd of July 2003 at 3:17 p.m. to the Canadian High
12 Commission in London from where, of course, Judge Cory was
13 conducting his inquiry. But it says as follows: The
14 identity of the author is not revealed but it's addressed
15 to Assistant Chief Constable C Department.
16 "In reply to your minute of 14 August 2000, a search of
17 Special Branch records has revealed the following:
18
19 1. In relation to points 6 and 8, there is no intelligence
20 held to substantiate the claims made by the author in his
21 book.
22
23 2. In relation to point 6, one piece of intelligence
24 exists relating to the murders of Chief Superintendent
25 Breen and Superintendent Buchanan on 20 march '89 which
26 would support the statement made. This intelligence was
27 ungraded, which states 'an unknown female who works in
28 Dundalk Garda Station made a phone call to an unknown
29 member of PIRA when Chief Superintendent Breen and
30 Superintendent Buchanan were leaving the barracks. This
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1 phone call enabled the two officers to be triggered into an
2 ambush on the Edenappa Road, Jonesboro on the 20th March
3 '89 at 3:30pm.' Please be advised that I am unable to
4 confirm whether or not his intelligence has already been
5 passed on to the Garda Siochana."
6
7 Now you are aware that that piece of intelligence, Judge
8 Cory was aware of it and it's in the mix here already, you
9 are aware of that, Mr. Corrigan?
10 A. Yes.
11 61 Q. At the next page, page 12, and we are coming towards the
12 end of these documents now, there is a further internal
13 memo from the RUC, it's dated the 26th of July 2001, it's
14 addressed to the Detective Chief Superintendent, his name
15 is given there but I don't think it should be, he is a
16 crime advisor Gough Barracks, Armagh, and it's from the
17 Detective Chief Inspector Crime Manager and says:
18 "I refer to the attached papers.
19 On 6 April 2000, ex-Detective Chief Superintendent X and I
20 interviewed Mr. Toby Harnden at the Metropolitan
21 Headquarters, Washington D.C. The interview was conducted
22 in respect of issues relating to the murders of Chief
23 Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan which were
24 mentioned within Mr. Harnden's book 'Bandit Country'.
25 Whilst interviewing Mr. Harnden, we took the opportunity to
26 question him about other matters contained within his book.
27 I now attach a transcript of the notes recorded by me in
28 respect of this interview.
29 All reports papers concerning Mr. Harnden and his book are
30 held in CID Regional Command Gough. I have liaised with
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1 your staff who have copied these reports and I now forward
2 these papers for your attention and in order to allow the
3 relevant papers held in your office to be attached and
4 forwarded to X who is a legal advisor.
5 I would be obliged if your staff would notify acting
6 Detective Superintendent C2 of compliance in respect of his
7 direction contained within his report dated 17th of July
8 2001. Forward for information."
9
10 And what that does is it contains or attaches a transcript
11 of an interview that was conducted a year earlier with Toby
12 Harnden by the RUC. And if you look at the next page,
13 Mr. Corrigan, do you see there is a reference there to a
14 transcript of the interview notes with Mr. Harnden dated
15 6th of April 2000, do you see that?
16 A. Yes.
17 62 Q. And I want you now to go to -- I am not going to open all
18 of the notes of the interview with Mr. Harnden, but if you
19 could go to page 16, please, which is at the top right-hand
20 of the pagination. And you'll see at the bottom of page 16
21 there is a reference to 'Garda X', do you see that? Do you
22 see that, Mr. Corrigan? It's three paragraphs from the
23 bottom.
24 A. Oh, yes.
25 63 Q. You are Garda X, there is no doubt about that, isn't that
26 so?
27 A. Absolutely.
28 64 Q. And this is what Mr. Harnden appears to have told his RUC
29 interviewers: "Garda X: This information came from an RUC
30 SB officer who he refuses to name" that's Mr. Harnden
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1 refused to name. "He did not check -- it says "the
2 verocity," but I think it must mean the veracity, which
3 means the truth -- "He did not check the veracity of this
4 information, simply accepting it and putting same into the
5 book. He will not disclose the name of this officer. We
6 requested that he contact this source and ask him to
7 contact us explaining and emphasising the importance of
8 this matter."
9
10 So would you agree with me, Mr. Corrigan, that your name
11 was provided to Mr. Harnden, it appears to be the case that
12 your name was provided as a result of information from an
13 RUC Special Branch officer
14 A. Oh, absolutely, sure that's what my line all along has
15 been, that they invited him, there is correspondence
16 throughout that file, Mr. O'Callaghan, where they invited
17 him and they said that they wished to encourage him and
18 interview him with least possible haste so that they could
19 carry out as much derogatory comments as they could on the
20 IRA.
21 65 Q. But is it your evidence that from your appraisal of these
22 documents, that the RUC assisted Mr. Harnden in the
23 preparation and writing of his book?
24 A. Absolutely, I have no doubt at all about it.
25 66 Q. And isn't it apparent from this document, from the
26 interview, that your name was given to Mr. Harnden by an
27 RUC Special Branch officer?
28 A. Yes.
29 67 Q. And would you agree with me that -- why do you think your
30 name was provided?
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1 A. Well it was part of an overall emanating from the time that
2 Mr. Keeley started off with the RUC, after coming -- after
3 dealing with MI5 in London.
4 68 Q. That's later on. I want to ask you, why do you think an
5 RUC Special Branch officer, in 1998 or early 1999, would
6 have provided your name?
7 A. Well, at that stage...
8 69 Q. Or do you know?
9 A. I do -- well, I mean, I can hazard a guess, like, that I
10 was a thorn in the side of the organisation at the time,
11 and it was very important that they would be able to do me
12 as much damage as possible.
13 70 Q. But wasn't it also the case, Mr. Corrigan, that at this
14 time the Special Branch RUC would have been aware that
15 there was an SB50 in respect of you, from 1985?
16 A. They would have, yes.
17 71 Q. OK. Do you believe that this conspiracy that you have
18 given evidence about, do you think that this was motivated
19 by personal malice towards you?
20 A. Well, there was an element of that and it was, as I said at
21 the very start here, at the very commencement of these
22 proceedings, there was a smoking gun prevalent throughout
23 all of this, and it started off with the Governments, which
24 were dealing with each other, and the Irish Government went
25 over to London to complain about the horrific state of
26 collusion in the North, and the British authorities were
27 much more adept and turned the whole matter on its head and
28 got Mr. Fulton and set him up with transport and gave him
29 money. First of all, the two officers in MI5 went to him
30 and went to his platoon commander and said that they wished
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1 to see him and they took him out privately and asked him
2 would he be interested to go to work for them, and that is
3 how it all started.
4 72 Q. OK. And at the time, in the 1990s, and this is a matter
5 the Chairman will be aware of, but do you recall were there
6 allegations of collusion being made against the northern
7 security forces, whether they be the RUC or the British
8 Army?
9 A. In what way?
10 73 Q. Were there allegations against them of collusion in the
11 killing of individuals, such as Mr. Finucane?
12 A. Oh, there was, yeah, allegations of collusion were rampant,
13 allegations were rampant from when I went there in 1975,
14 '80.
15 74 Q. OK. Now I want you to go to the next page, which is page
16 17, and at the top of that page we have a further note of
17 the interview with Mr. Harnden by the RUC and the second
18 entry says the following:
19 "Re... 'technical information which confirmed IRA had
20 contacted..." That's a reference to the IRA had been
21 contacted by somebody in Dundalk Garda Station, and do you
22 remember the part of Harnden's bike read out to you
23 earlier?
24 A. Yes.
25 75 Q. Where he said there is technical information that somebody
26 in the Dundalk Garda Station contacted the IRA?
27 A. Yes.
28 76 Q. And this is what the RUC noted in respect of this:
29 "(Author believed - without any confirmation or
30 corroboration or checking!!!)" and it's written in capital
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1 letters. Would you agree with me that the manner in which
2 that is recorded, that the RUC officer who interviewed him
3 found it unbelievable that Mr. Harnden would put this in
4 without any confirmation or corroboration?
5 A. Yeah, well I wouldn't be surprised when a guy is writing a
6 book, like, accuracy is not the top of his principles. He
7 said something similar in relation to the actual area
8 surrounding the hijacking out in County Armagh.
9 77 Q. OK. Now, at the bottom of that page there is a reference
10 to "author mentioned name of X as being rumoured as being
11 rogue garda but no evidence or information to substantiate
12 this."
13 A. Sure that's the same old story.
14 78 Q. OK. Now what I want you to do, I can go through the next
15 few tabs very quickly. At tab 2, you are aware that
16 Mr. Prenty came here and said that Toby Harnden
17 misrepresented him and he never said what he allegedly is
18 quoting as stating, you are aware of that aren't you?
19 A. Yes.
20 79 Q. And that is dealt with in tab 2. And then just in tab 3
21 there is a couple of sections I want to refer you to. This
22 is the evidence of Mr. Mains, and it's at tab 3, Day 10,
23 page 43. And at question 177, I think I asked Mr. Mains:
24
25 "Question: Now, can I just ask you about the
26 first of those events, which is the book of
27 Toby Harnden. Can I ask you, Mr. Mains, did
28 you assist Mr. Harnden in the writing of this
29 book?
30 Answer: I was asked by our then press office
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1 to give him some assistance in south Armagh in
2 terms of the nature of the book and what he was
3 trying to achieve.
4 Question: And as a result of that, did you
5 meet Mr. Harnden?
6 Answer: I did.
7 Question: And how many interviews did you have
8 with him about the book?
9 Answer: I can't really says because I don't
10 know, it could have been several."
11
12 And then on the next page, page 44 -- and in fairness to
13 Mr. Mains, Mr. Mains isn't or wasn't a Special Branch
14 officer, Mr. Corrigan.
15 A. Yes.
16 80 Q. He is not a Special Branch officer, so I am not suggesting
17 that he was the person who told Mr. Harnden that you were
18 the person who had given the information.
19
20 And then next page 44, question 181:
21
22 "Question: Did you speak to Toby Harnden about
23 the killings of Chief Superintendent Breen and
24 Superintendent Buchanan?
25 Answer: I would have spoke to Toby Harnden in
26 relation to the activity of the IRA in south
27 Armagh in general terms.
28 Question: And did you identify for him the
29 fact that there was a mole or what he believed
30 to be a mole in An Garda Siochana?
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1 Answer: I think that at that stage Toby
2 Harnden himself had seemed to come up with a
3 lot of information.
4 Question: But did you give him information
5 suggesting that there was a mole in the guards
6 in Dundalk?
7 Answer: As I said, I think Mr. Harnden
8 himself had information to hand."
9 And he continued by stating listen, Harnden had that
10 information already.
11
12 Now, at tab 4, Mr. Corrigan, is the article by Kevin Myers
13 dated the 10th of March 2000. Did you read that article
14 when it was published in The Irish Times?
15 A. I did, yes.
16 81 Q. And did you know that this was in some way linked to the
17 Toby Harnden book?
18 A. I did, yeah.
19 82 Q. Did you believe at that stage that you were the person
20 being referred to?
21 A. Well, it went through my mind, but there were that many
22 things circulating in my mind at the time that it was
23 coming fast and furious, you know.
24 83 Q. OK. And we know at tab 5 Mr. Myers came and gave evidence
25 here on day 44, and on the second page, page 144, in
26 fairness to him, he agreed or he believed that his article
27 did not tell the truth in a fair and impartial manner; are
28 you aware of that evidence?
29 A. I am, yes.
30 84 Q. OK. And do you think he is right?
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1 A. Of course he is right.
2 85 Q. OK. Now --
3 A. Well at least he had the honesty to come and admit he was
4 wrong and what he had written was wrong.
5 86 Q. Now, you have, on a number of occasions in your evidence,
6 referred to what Judge Cory thought about the reliability
7 of Harnden and Myers, haven't you?
8 A. That's right, yes.
9 87 Q. And you have read Judge Cory's report in respect of what he
10 thought of their allegations and their work?
11 A. Absolutely.
12 88 Q. And I just want to refer you to parts of that, and if you
13 look at tab 6, I have sections of Judge Cory's report that
14 are relevant, and unfortunately, it's not page-numbered,
15 Mr. Corrigan, but do you see the way the paragraphs are
16 numbered on the left-hand side?
17 A. Yes.
18 89 Q. Could I ask you to go to paragraph, it's the third page in,
19 2.71, and this is what Judge Cory says in the second
20 paragraph:
21 "In a passage from his book Bandit Country(pages 157 to
22 158), Harnden sets out a great deal of detail as to how the
23 operation against Messrs Breen and Buchanan would have been
24 mounted. However, in his interview with Gardaí on the same
25 subject, Harnden stated that 'he could only hypothesise in
26 relation to how the attack upon Breen and Buchanan could
27 have been mounted'."
28 I just want to refer you to a few sections and then I will
29 come back and ask you a question. Could you go to the next
30 page and paragraph 2.76, which is --
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1 A. Which page is that?
2 90 Q. It's the fourth page.
3 A. Of Irishman's Diary, is it?
4 91 Q. No, you are on the next tab, Mr. Corrigan, tab 6. Do you
5 see that? There is Judge Cory's report.
6 A. Yes.
7 92 Q. If you go to the fourth page of that, it should be
8 paragraph 2.76. It starts at the top of the page with
9 2.74. If you look at the left-hand side of the column.
10 You need to open it further to see the left-hand side.
11 A. Yes.
12 93 Q. Have you got it?
13 A. Yes.
14 94 Q. Paragraph 2.76, the third one down; this is what Judge Cory
15 says.
16 A. Hold on a second now.
17 95 Q. "There was an allegation in the Harnden book that RUC
18 Special Branch received intelligence that a garda officer
19 telephoned an IRA member to tell him of the Gibsons'
20 expected arrival at the border. When he was asked to
21 discuss the source of this intelligence he stated that it
22 was the same officer who told him about the technical
23 information" -- that's the one in respect of Breen and
24 Buchanan. "When asked if he could provide any more
25 information, Harnden stated that he had nothing further on
26 the IRA man except that Garda B was mentioned to him as the
27 Garda member who had contacted the IRA. When queried about
28 this, the RUC denied that it had received intelligence
29 information that a garda officer had phoned an IRA man. I
30 must observe that the Gardaí have confirmed to me that in
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1 1989 there was no log kept of outgoing phone calls from the
2 garda at Dundalk Garda Station.
3
4 "2.77: It should be noted that this intelligence report
5 was not passed on to the Gardaí. However, in
6 correspondence dated 29 September 2000, Deputy Chief
7 Constable Cramphorn of the RUC sent Deputy Commissioner
8 Conroy of the Gardaí a report prepared by Chief
9 Superintendent McBurney. In his report dated 15 September
10 2000, McBurney specifically addressed the allegation that
11 RUC Special Branch had received intelligence that a garda
12 officer had telephoned an IRA member to tip him off. With
13 respect to this and other allegations, Chief Superintendent
14 McBurney asserted that 'no evidence exists, nor can any
15 documentation be located which indicates garda collusion
16 with subversives'."
17
18 So, although the information about you appears to have been
19 provided by an RUC Special Branch officer, the RUC, when
20 they come to look at it, they confirm to Judge Cory that no
21 such evidence or documentation concerning collusion exists,
22 isn't that so?
23 A. That's correct, yes.
24 96 Q. If you could turn to the next page then, please, and it's
25 paragraph 2.78, where Judge Cory continues. He says:
26 "Harnden declined to identify Inspector L..." -- we know
27 that is Prenty -- "a former member of Garda Special Branch
28 who was referred to at page 159 of 'Bandit Country' as
29 having 'confirmed the sequence of events'. When asked to
30 clarify this account, Harnden stated that he was referring
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1 to basic timings, et cetera, and that the reference was not
2 intended to convey nor did it mean that Detective Inspector
3 L had confirmed the allegation that there was information
4 passed from a Garda member to the IRA. In his book,
5 Harnden attributed a statement to Detective Inspector L to
6 the effect 'I am afraid the leak came from a guard'. When
7 questioned about this, Harnden repeated that he was not
8 referring to the technical information or the RUC
9 intelligence, but rather, 'basic timings'. He said that
10 because of editing the statement attributed to 'L' appeared
11 out of context, Harnden went on to say that it was possible
12 that 'L' was putting forward the theory when he stated that
13 the leak came from a guard, though he thought it appeared
14 to be stronger than that."
15
16 Then, paragraph 2.82: "With respect to naming Garda B" --
17 that is you -- "Harnden qualified this tip-off by stating
18 that 'If it was a tip-off, it may not be as specific'.
19 When asked, 'Can we take it as dogmatic that it was Garda
20 B?', Harden responded, 'No, it's my way of stating it'."
21
22 Now, if I could ask you then to move forward four pages to
23 paragraph 2.104.
24 A. Yes.
25 97 Q. Judge Cory says the following - now, this is in respect of
26 Mr. Myers' article: "When asked about his allegations that
27 Breen and Buchanan were set up by the garda mole, Myers
28 stated that he relied on Harnden's book which he took to be
29 hard information. He also made inquiries north and south
30 and obtained information that was 'anecdotal but sufficient
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1 for me to say and justify this statement in the article'."
2 And then at the bottom of that page, 2.106, Judge Cory
3 states: "When asked, he stated that he did not have any
4 evidence to present which supported his statement that an
5 ex-garda mole had passed on information to the IRA
6 regarding the movements of Breen and Buchanan."
7
8 And finally, Mr. Corrigan, could you go to the last page in
9 that tab. You are in tab 6. Go to the very last page, on
10 paragraph 2.118, and this is how Judge Cory concludes in
11 respect of his assessment of Harnden and Myers, and he
12 says, at paragraph 2.118:
13
14 "In summary, the investigations into the book 'Bandit
15 Country' and the article An Irishman's Diary indicate that
16 the author's allegations that there was a garda mole or
17 that a garda member facilitated the murder of officers
18 Breen and Buchanan appeared to be based on hypothesis,
19 speculation and the source or sources of information that
20 the authors refused to disclose. Statements and
21 allegations were put forward as matters of fact when, in
22 reality, they were founded upon speculation and hypothesis.
23 It would have been preferable if the book in the article
24 had made this clear. Fairness to the victims' family
25 demanded no less."
26 So can I ask you, Mr. Corrigan, having read Judge Cory's
27 report and what he said about Harnden and Myers, what is
28 your assessment of the book that was published by
29 Mr. Harnden and the article published by Mr. Myers in
30 respect of the murders of Breen and Buchanan?
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1 A. Well, Judge Cory outlined it there very accurately insofar
2 as there was -- it's made up of speculation and hypothesis
3 on the part of Harnden, and then Myers chipped in, then, as
4 a result of reading the book, and put his own stamp on the
5 allegations. But collectively, they were one of the same
6 thing and both were -- Judge Cory saw through the
7 allegations that had no substance whatever in relation to
8 facts and they were merely speculation and -- about what
9 might have happened, could have happened, and, sure,
10 Mr. Harnden was talking about photographs and photographing
11 these men when they were in the vicinity of the station,
12 all speculation. He had nothing at all that would adduce
13 any evidence in support of what he was saying.
14 98 Q. OK. So, do you agree that Mr. Myers got his information
15 from Mr. Harnden?
16 A. Yes, of course.
17 99 Q. Mr. Harnden got his information from --
18 A. From the RUC.
19 100 Q. -- his information about you, from an RUC Special Branch
20 officer?
21 A. Yes.
22 101 Q. And the RUC agreed and decided at the top level that they
23 were going to assist Mr. Harnden in the publication of his
24 book?
25 A. That's right. Sure, that is published within the file,
26 Mr. O'Callaghan. The RUC, at ACC level, encouraged the
27 subordinates to contact Mr. Harnden and encourage him and
28 use him as a tool to carry out an operation on the
29 publications of the PIRA in their campaign.
30 102 Q. Tab 7, Mr. Corrigan, we see the transcript of the statement
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1 made in the House of Commons by Jeffrey Donaldson on the
2 13th of April, 2000. You are aware that, on that date,
3 Mr. Donaldson named you as being a guard who was involved
4 in the murders of Breen and Buchanan, is that correct?
5 A. Yes, that's right.
6 103 Q. Prior to him naming you, did he ever contact you or to ask
7 to put the allegation to you?
8 A. No, absolutely not.
9 104 Q. You said on a number of occasions in your evidence that
10 Mr. Frazer and Mr. Keeley were with Mr. Donaldson. In
11 fact, the evidence given by Mr. Donaldson is he met Willie
12 Frazer and Peter Keeley before he made this, but it's
13 obviously a period of days or weeks beforehand?
14 A. Well, it was around the one and the same time.
15 105 Q. Yes.
16 A. You see, when he was en route, this thing was taking a
17 highly organised pattern, and when Keeley was organising it
18 with the professionals that he was engaging, he realised
19 then, and the British Government realised, that the outlet
20 for the most -- the widest circulation and exposure of this
21 dramatic story would be BBC Parliament, and it was there
22 that he got this -- in other words, Fulton initiated it and
23 they used Donaldson to expose it.
24 106 Q. Did you -- how did you come to hear that Jeffrey Donaldson
25 had named you in the House of Commons?
26 A. I heard it on -- I think several people in Dundalk heard
27 it. It was frequently broadcast. BBC Parliament is
28 broadcast in Dundalk and Drogheda, and it was headlines in
29 the evening papers in Belfast.
30 107 Q. OK. And at tab 8 we see the evidence of Mr. Donaldson, and
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1 Mr. Donaldson said that he got interested in this issue
2 when he read Mr. Harnden's book, and then he said, at tab
3 8, page 24, day 64, this is, on the 9th of December last,
4 Mr. Donaldson stated the following, at question 90:
5 "Answer: Well, I spoke to Mr. Fulton before I
6 spoke to the senior member of the security
7 forces, but of course he would be one of those
8 to whom I spoke.
9 Question: Of those three or four sources for
10 your extensive inquiries, how many of them
11 named Owen Corrigan?
12 Answer: Kevin Fulton."
13 So it was Mr. Fulton, or Mr. Keeley as I should correctly
14 call him, who gave Mr. Donaldson your name, isn't that
15 correct?
16 A. Absolutely, yeah, and he said -- he said he checked with a
17 senior RUC officer before issuing the thing. Now, the
18 senior RUC officer who was dealing with the matter was Sir
19 Ronnie Flanagan, and, as you know, Sir Ronnie Flanagan had
20 given a scathing report to him on -- in relation to the
21 background of what type of an individual Mr. Fulton was,
22 and he was asked then why did he not ask the obvious
23 question, "Well, if he is like this and that, did you ask
24 him, what kind of a guy is he?" "No," he said, "I
25 sought" -- he was well aware at this stage of what type of
26 an individual Fulton was. He said, "I sought higher
27 command for further" -- Sir Ronnie Flanagan was the
28 Assistant Chief Constable. He couldn't have gone to much
29 higher a man than the Chief Constable.
30 108 Q. So are you aware that also on the 13th of April, 2000, that
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1 two members of the Oireachtas referred to concern about
2 collusion, but they didn't name you?
3 A. That's right.
4 109 Q. They didn't name any guards, you are aware of that?
5 A. That's right.
6 110 Q. And that is at tabs 10 and 11 -- sorry, that is at tabs 9
7 and 10, and I don't need to open them.
8 But ultimately, Mr. Corrigan, as of early 2000, your name
9 has been put out there by an RUC Special Branch officer
10 because he has informed Harnden, isn't that correct?
11 A. That's right, yes.
12 111 Q. And secondly, Mr. Keeley appears in the mix for the first
13 time sometime in early 2000 because he goes to Jeffrey
14 Donaldson with Willie Frazer, isn't that so?
15 A. That's right, yes.
16 112 Q. Then, if you could look at tab 11, because this -- you can
17 understand why this will generate interest in the politics
18 of Northern Ireland, and indeed genuine interest from the
19 Breen and Buchanan families; can't you understand that,
20 Mr. Corrigan?
21 A. Yeah, of course.
22 113 Q. At tab 11, we have an important document from the RUC dated
23 the 15th of September of 2000. It's an article -- it is a
24 report that was written by the late Maynard McBurney, dated
25 15 September, 2000, and, in it, Mr. McBurney is reporting
26 to the Assistant Chief Constable Crime Branch about the
27 allegations in Bandit Country. You see them there at the
28 bottom of the first page. And in the second page, you will
29 see there are further allegations set out; they number the
30 pages 157, 158, 159, isn't that so? Do you see that?
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1 A. Yes.
2 114 Q. And then, at the end of the last page in that tab,
3 Mr. McBurney concludes the following. He says:
4 "Detective" -- and that is a reference to Mr. Mains, there
5 is no doubt about this -- "Detective Mains now provided his
6 original statement of evidence dated 22 March, 1989, and a
7 further statement dated 15 September, 2000, copies
8 attached, which address queries 1B and 1C.
9 With regard to the queries 1A, 1D, 1E, 1F, 1G, 1H and 2A to
10 D, no evidence exists, nor could any documentation be
11 located which evidences Garda collusion with subversives."
12 So, in effect, Mr. Corrigan, what that straightforward,
13 simple sentence means is that the RUC has no evidence about
14 anyone being contacted from Dundalk station or, indeed,
15 they have no evidence or documentation suggesting that a
16 Garda officer contacted the IRA, you are aware of that?
17 A. That's right, and furthermore, on the date of the 20th of
18 March, '89, Mr....
19 115 Q. ... Mains?
20 A. ... Mains was asked to make a statement, as did the others,
21 and he made a five-page statement, and he never once
22 mentioned my name in the course of that statement.
23 116 Q. OK.
24 A. But suddenly, on the publication of Bandit Country and the
25 IRA, eleven-and-a-half years later, suddenly he became all
26 knowledgeable about the concerns that Harry Breen had about
27 me.
28 117 Q. OK. I want to deal with that now, because it's at tab 12.
29 I think you are wrong about stating it's a five-page
30 statement. But if you look at the second page in tab 12,
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1 there is Mr. Mains' original statement from the 22nd of
2 March, 1989, which is two days after the officers were
3 murdered?
4 A. Yes.
5 118 Q. Do you see that? And at the bottom of that page - I only
6 want to open the last four lines on that first page - and
7 this is what Mr. Mains says two days after Chief
8 Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan were
9 murdered, and he says:
10 "Mr. Breen also stated to me that he felt 'Slab' Murphy had
11 contacts within the Garda and, to this end, he felt that he
12 could not trust certain Garda Siochana members."
13 Do you see that?
14 A. No. What page is that?
15 119 Q. It's page 6, bottom right-hand corner, if you look at page
16 6. It's the second page in tab 12. Go to the page in tab
17 12. Have you got that?
18 A. Not quite, no. Yes, thank you.
19 120 Q. Do you see the bottom of that page, it says: "Mr. Breen
20 also stated to me that he felt 'Slab' Murphy had contacts
21 within the Garda and, to this end, he felt that he could
22 not trust certain Garda Siochana members."
23 So would you agree with me that Mr. Mains, two days after
24 the murder, is expressing that Chief Superintendent Breen
25 was concerned about some Garda members, isn't that so?
26 A. Yes.
27 121 Q. And he doesn't identify them as being -- he doesn't
28 identify them as being located in Dundalk, is that correct?
29 A. Yes.
30 122 Q. Now, if you go to the page before that, the page before it,
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1 Mr. Mains then swears a statement on the 15th of September,
2 2000, some eleven years, or so, later; do you see that?
3 A. Yes.
4 123 Q. And this is what he says in this, just third line down, he
5 says: "Further to my statement on 22 March, '89,
6 concerning the murders of Chief Superintendent Harry Breen
7 and Superintendent Buchanan, I have nothing further to add,
8 with the exception of the Garda officer referred to in my
9 previous statement is Owen Carrigan, then Detective
10 Sergeant, Special Branch, Dundalk."
11 So what is your assessment of that - well, maybe not
12 changed but elaborated statement some eleven-and-a-half
13 years later?
14 A. No, no, he was -- that is what -- that was -- he made that
15 statement with the publication of Bandit Country. They all
16 became fountains of knowledge with the publication of that
17 book.
18 124 Q. OK.
19 A. Including politicians south of the border.
20 125 Q. Now, are you aware - and this is at tab 13, and I am not
21 going to open it in detail - but Mr. Mains gave evidence
22 that he phoned Dundalk Garda Station on the morning of the
23 20th of March, 1989, to organise the meeting; are you aware
24 he has given that evidence?
25 A. No, I am not, no.
26 126 Q. OK. Well, are you aware that every other person associated
27 with that, whether it's Mr. McConville from the RUC or John
28 Nolan from Dundalk, or, indeed, Mary Clarke, a woman who
29 answered the call, and Mary Burns, who answered the calls
30 in Dundalk, and indeed George Flynn, Garda, all of them
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1 have said that didn't happen; are you aware of that?
2 A. No, no.
3 127 Q. OK. And then at tab 14 there is transcripts, and I won't
4 open them again, but transcripts about Mr. Mains and him
5 expressing -- or Mr. Breen expressing concern about
6 Corrigan in Dundalk, even though he didn't put it in a
7 statement, and there is evidence from others, in tab 14,
8 stating that Mr. Mains never mentioned that to them at the
9 time back in 1989. Are you aware of that evidence? Maybe
10 you are not?
11 A. No, I am not, no.
12 128 Q. OK. Now, an important piece of evidence is at tab 15,
13 Mr. Corrigan.
14 A. Yes.
15 129 Q. Mr. Mains was asked by me: "Why didn't you name Owen
16 Corrigan on the 22nd of March, 1989?" Do understand that
17 point?
18 A. Absolutely.
19 130 Q. Yes. And I asked him: "Why didn't you name Corrigan
20 instead of saying 'Garda members'?"
21 A. Yes.
22 131 Q. And he said - and I will just open it to you; it's at tab
23 15 --
24 A. Yes.
25 132 Q. -- Day 9. And let's look at the top of that page.
26 Question 789:
27 "Yes, but, as I understand it, you were
28 advised in some form or fashion not to put his
29 name in, is that right, in your first
30 statement?
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1 Answer: Yeah.
2 Question: And who advised you to do that?
3 Answer: I think, from memory, it was one of
4 the CID police officers. I can't recall the
5 name at this point, but it was somebody, maybe,
6 and I would be speculating at this point to say
7 who it was."
8 So what he is stating - are you aware of this? - he said:
9 Well, I was advised by a senior officer, I can't really
10 remember who it was, not to mention Corrigan.
11 A. Yes.
12 133 Q. That is the evidence he gave.
13 A. Yes, yes.
14 134 Q. But if you turn over the next, it's the next day, and not
15 just in terms of days of this inquiry; it was the following
16 day, the 22nd of June, Day 10, this is the evidence that
17 was given - Mr. Mains was still in the box - page 38, top
18 of the page, question 155:
19 "Question: Well, I think it is a crucial piece
20 of evidence, Chairman, for the following
21 reason: because there is no evidence of my
22 client being mentioned in this record about
23 these killings until eleven-and-a-half years
24 later, and the evidence being given by
25 Mr. Mains is that the reason he didn't mention
26 him is because a CID officer advised him not
27 to."
28 And the Chairman then asks the pertinent question:
29 "Yes. Well, do you remember the name of the
30 CID officer?
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1 Answer: Oh, very clearly."
2 So, do you see, Mr. Corrigan, that, the day after, he said
3 he couldn't remember --
4 A. Yes.
5 135 Q. -- that he couldn't recall his name, but he's telling the
6 Chairman: Oh, I remember the name of the person very
7 clearly?
8 A. Yes.
9 136 Q. And ultimately, he wrote down the name of the individual.
10 And he is now deceased, the individual, so we can identify
11 him, and his name has been identified here before; it was
12 Mr. Maynard McBurney.
13 A. Yes.
14 137 Q. And are you aware that it was Mr. McBurney who wrote the
15 document which is in -- which we already opened from the
16 RUC? Do you remember that document that I opened earlier
17 to you --
18 A. Yes.
19 138 Q. -- dated the 15th of September?
20 A. Yes.
21 139 Q. And Mr. McBurney gave the response to the RUC stating there
22 is no documentation or no evidence suggesting collusion.
23 Now, does that cause you concern about what Mr. Mains said
24 in evidence here?
25 A. Absolutely.
26 140 Q. At tab 16, there is part of the Camon-Kirwan Report. Could
27 I just ask you, first of all, do you recall Mr. O'Dea
28 coming down to Dundalk in 1989 after the murders?
29 A. Yes, very briefly.
30 141 Q. What -- and if you can't recall this, you don't recall
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1 it --
2 A. Well, I don't -- I hadn't spoken to him, or anything; just,
3 I was aware of his presence in the building.
4 142 Q. OK. Do you know, and if you don't know don't speculate,
5 but do you know what the reason was for him coming down to
6 Dundalk or coming up to Dundalk?
7 A. I don't know.
8 143 Q. OK. You don't know. You are aware that the Camon-Kirwan
9 Report was set up on foot of all these allegations by
10 Harnden and Myers, isn't that so?
11 A. That's right, yes.
12 144 Q. And you spoke to them, but you didn't want to give a
13 statement, isn't that correct?
14 A. That's right, yes.
15 145 Q. Is there any reason why you didn't want to give a
16 statement?
17 A. Not really, because I didn't believe a word about it.
18 146 Q. OK. OK. Now, at tab 17, I just include this as a
19 reference, it's a report from The Irish Times dated 19 May,
20 2001, where the then-leader of the Ulster Unionist Party,
21 Mr. Trimble, was calling for an inquiry into the murders of
22 Breen and Buchanan, isn't that so? And you are aware that,
23 after the book, after what Mr. Donaldson said, there were
24 calls for a public inquiry?
25 A. Absolutely, yeah.
26 147 Q. And are you aware that, at the same time, there were also
27 calls being made by republicans in Northern Ireland seeking
28 inquiries into the killing of -- murder of Mr. Finucane,
29 Ms. Nelson, and other such people, Robert Hamill?
30 A. Yes, that was ongoing.
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1 148 Q. Yes. OK, OK. And just to get to the core of your
2 conspiracy theory, do you believe that politicians,
3 Unionist politicians in Northern Ireland were advancing and
4 promoting an inquiry because of their own political agenda
5 in Northern Ireland?
6 A. An inquiry here?
7 149 Q. Yes.
8 A. Oh, absolutely, there is no -- there is no clear doubt
9 about that.
10 150 Q. And what benefit do they get from that, from a big inquiry
11 into Garda collusion in the murder of RUC officers, what is
12 the advantage for the Unionist political community?
13 A. Well, it takes the pressure off them for what was going on
14 in the North.
15 151 Q. Right.
16 A. Because they can say what they like or allege what they
17 like, but we have never been contaminated by the same
18 elements that the RUC have had to contend with. Now, don't
19 get me wrong, I dealt with a small number of the RUC, and
20 they were fine people, but the body politic in the North,
21 when I went there, and it would appear it hasn't changed
22 greatly since, when I see what has happened since, there is
23 five of them after being arrested on Saturday night, so
24 things -- the Chris Patten Commission hasn't had the
25 greatest effect we were led to believe it might have.
26 152 Q. Anyway, you believe there were allegations of collusion,
27 and, in fairness, are you aware that the third Stevens
28 Inquiry reached the finding that there was collusion in the
29 murder of Pat Finucane?
30 A. Yes, oh, yes.
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1 153 Q. And there was also Stalker inquiries and Sampson inquiries,
2 isn't that correct?
3 A. Absolutely.
4 154 Q. And, at tab 18, you will see that on the 1st of August,
5 2001, both the Northern Ireland Office and the Department
6 of Foreign Affairs issued a statement on the 1st of August,
7 2001, after what was referred to as the Weston Park talks,
8 which took place in July?
9 A. Yes.
10 155 Q. I want to refer you to the second page of that at tab 18,
11 because it indicates the decision of the Governments in
12 respect of inquiries based on allegations that had been
13 made at the talks in Weston Park.
14 18: "Both Governments want the new policing arrangements
15 now being established to focus on the future but they also
16 accept that certain cases from the past remain a source of
17 grave public concern, particularly those giving rise to
18 serious allegations of collusion by the security forces in
19 each of our jurisdictions. Both Governments will,
20 therefore, appoint a judge of international standing from
21 outside both jurisdictions to undertake a thorough
22 investigation of allegations of collusion in the case of
23 the murders of Chief Superintendent Harry Breen and
24 Superintendent Bob Buchanan, Pat Finucane, Lord Justice and
25 Lady Gibson, Robert Hamill, Rosemary Nelson and Billy
26 Wright."
27 And I think it is the case, Mr. Corrigan, that Judge Cory
28 prepared a report in respect of each of those controversial
29 murders, isn't that so?
30 A. Yes.
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1 156 Q. And there have been inquiries, some more public than
2 others, in respect of those murders, with the exception of
3 the Pat Finucane inquiry, isn't that so?
4 A. That's right.
5 157 Q. There has been no public inquiry into the murder of
6 Mr. Finucane, isn't that correct?
7 A. No, Mr. Finucane's family were promised an inquiry, and
8 this thing dragged on and dragged on, and, no later than
9 last September/October, Mrs. Geraldine Finucane and her
10 whole family, including Michael Finucane, her son,
11 travelled to London with hope that they were getting an
12 inquiry, and David Cameron went up and met them in London
13 and told them they were getting no inquiry and what he
14 would give them would be a judge and some papers and that
15 was it. And there was no reaction from our Government,
16 despite the fact that they had been over there initiating
17 the complaint in the first place.
18 158 Q. And are you aware that Judge Cory recommended strongly that
19 there should be an inquiry in respect of the murder of Pat
20 Finucane?
21 A. I am aware, yes.
22 159 Q. You are aware that the Stevens Inquiry concluded that there
23 was collusion in the murder of Pat Finucane?
24 A. That's correct, yes.
25 160 Q. Now, at tab 19, Mr. Corrigan, there is a statement issued
26 from the Department of Foreign Affairs on the 29th of May,
27 2002, and it was on that occasion that Judge Cory was
28 appointed to investigate these controversial murders.
29 A. Yes.
30 161 Q. Now, just at the back of that tab, there is a document
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1 which also emanates from the HMG file which we just got in
2 the past number of weeks, and this is the internal Northern
3 Ireland document that refers to the meeting of the
4 Parliamentary Party and the allegation that Breen and
5 Buchanan may have been murdered or set up through collusion
6 by a member of the RUC. Are you aware of that allegation?
7 It's at the last page of tab 19.
8 A. Just give me a second, Mr. O'Callaghan.
9 162 Q. You see the numbers are on the tabs? And the very last
10 page there, it begins, "5. What seems to have inspired..."
11 Do you see that?
12 A. Number 18, is it?
13 163 Q. No, no, you are at the wrong tab, Mr. Corrigan. Move
14 forward another tab to the next tab.
15 A. What number is the tab?
16 164 Q. 19.
17 A. Oh, 19.
18 165 Q. It's the last page in tab 19.
19 A. OK, I have it, yes.
20 166 Q. Now, in fairness, the Tribunal clarified for you, and
21 indeed me, last week, that this is a reference to the
22 Unionist Parliamentary Party meeting, which may change the
23 identity of the female who was speaking; it could be a
24 female Unionist politician. But were you ever or did you
25 ever hear of the allegation that Breen and Buchanan may
26 have been set up by a tip-off from an RUC officer?
27 A. No, I didn't, no. I wasn't aware of that.
28 167 Q. I want you to go now to tab 20, Mr. Corrigan, and I will
29 try to follow this chronologically so as we can get an
30 indication of what happened. Tab 20 begins "The Kevin
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1 Fulton statement." Do you see that?
2 A. Yes.
3 168 Q. This is an excerpt from Judge Cory's report. And the
4 reason I include it here is because it identifies
5 chronologically what happened. We have seen that the
6 Government set up -- decide to investigate controversial
7 murders, we have seen that Judge Cory is appointed, and
8 then we see a reference in here to Judge Cory's report, as
9 to where he got this statement called the Kevin Fulton
10 statement. And he says the following:
11 "On 9 September, 2003, Kevin Fulton, accompanied by a
12 friend" -- we know that friend to be Mr. Frazer, as a
13 result of evidence given here -- "delivered to me a
14 statement. It reads as follows:
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16 "In 1979, I enlisted in the British Army. Within months of
17 my posting, I was recruited by a British intelligence
18 agency to act as an agent. In this capacity, I became a
19 member of the Provisional IRA.
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21 "On one occasion in the late 1980s I was with my senior IRA
22 commander and another individual in my car. I knew the
23 other individual to be Garda B." That is Owen Corrigan.
24 "I was introduced to Owen Corrigan. I knew that Owen
25 Corrigan who was stationed at Dundalk was passing
26 information to the Provisional IRA.
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28 "I was in Dundalk on the day of the ambush of
29 Superintendent Buchanan and Chief Superintendent Breen. I
30 am aware that, after the ambush took place, my senior IRA
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1 commander was told by a member of PIRA that Garda B" --
2 Owen Corrigan -- "had telephoned to the Provisional IRA to
3 tell them that officers Breen and Buchanan were at the
4 Dundalk Station.
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6 "I should add that I know nothing about the murder of Lord
7 Justice and Lady Gibson."
8
9 So it's apparent from that, Mr. Corrigan, that on the 9th
10 of September 2003, Kevin Fulton arrived at the office of
11 Judge Cory in London, isn't that so?
12 A. That's right.
13 169 Q. And he arrived with Willie Frazer. Are you aware of that,
14 or are you aware of the evidence?
15 A. No, but I know of Willie Frazer.
16 170 Q. I am not asking you about him, but you are aware that he
17 was the friend referred to?
18 A. Yes, that's right.
19 171 Q. And we know that Judge Cory's report into Breen and
20 Buchanan was published on the 7th of October 2003, one
21 month later?
22 A. Yes.
23 172 Q. So do you agree with me that a month before the end of
24 Judge Cory's inquiry Mr. Fulton, as he is known, or
25 Mr. Keeley as he should be properly known, arrives into his
26 office with this statement?
27 A. That's right.
28 173 Q. O.K. And do you see the last paragraph in the statement,
29 where he says "I am aware that after the ambush took place
30 my senior commander was told by a member of PIRA that that
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1 Owen Corrigan had telephoned to the Provisional IRA to tell
2 them that officers Breen and Buchanan were at Dundalk
3 station."
4 Would you agree with me that that mirrors the allegation
5 made by Mr. Harnden?
6 A. Pardon?
7 174 Q. That mirrors the allegation made by Mr. Harnden?
8 A. Oh, absolutely.
9 175 Q. Because, do you recall in Mr. Harnden's book, he says that
10 a garda, a member of the gardaí phoned the, telephoned the
11 IRA from the station, doesn't he say that?
12 A. That's right.
13 176 Q. And that's what Mr. Fulton is stating here, isn't that so?
14 A. That's right. But Mr. Fulton didn't name me in an earlier
15 statement. He said "our man" tipped them off.
16 177 Q. We will come to that. I am trying to take this
17 chronologically because I know dates can get out of sync.
18 A. Yes.
19 178 Q. And in fact, what is stated in Bandit Country is the
20 following: "RUC Special Branch then received intelligence
21 that a garda officer had telephoned an IRA member to tip
22 him off."
23 So that's what Harnden said and this is what Mr. Fulton is
24 saying, isn't it?
25 A. Very much the same.
26 179 Q. O.K. Now, I want you to go to the next page where we get
27 another interesting document from the HMG file, that we
28 only got in the past two weeks. And it's numbered HMG 160,
29 and it's an e-mail dated Monday the 8th, if you see at the
30 top of the page there, there's and e-mail sent Monday 8
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1 September 2003 at 16:09. Do you see that, Mr. Corrigan?
2 A. Yes.
3 180 Q. And of course that's the day before Mr. Fulton turns at
4 Judge Cory's office, you are aware of that?
5 A. That's right.
6 181 Q. Because Judge Cory tells us that on 9th of September 2003
7 Kevin Fulton arrives with a friend in his office. And then
8 this e-mail is sent the day before. Now, HMG have redacted
9 the identity of the person from whom this is and to whom it
10 is addressed, but I think you will see that it appears to
11 be addressed to a person who is working with Judge Cory.
12 Let me open the e-mail for you, it says:
13 "Hi,
14 Just a very brief note to thank you for arranging to meet
15 Kevin Fulton so quickly. I trust the meeting will be
16 mutually beneficial. However, I must stress that I and an
17 increasing number of others believe Fulton's life is in
18 immediate danger. As you will soon see, the knowledge he
19 has accumulated over two decades on various degrees of
20 undercover activities makes him a very real threat to the
21 republican movement and the British intelligence services.
22 At the moment he has no money, no job prospects and faces
23 life on the streets with the removal of his safe
24 accommodation by the Northern Ireland Office early next
25 month. It appears to many of us that a conscious decision
26 has been taken by the intelligence services to remove
27 Fulton on the grounds that the problems he caused to them
28 over the Omagh bombing information of August 1998. Perhaps
29 Judge Cory could be made aware of Fulton's precarious
30 position."
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1 If I can just pause there. I suggest from that last
2 sentence, Mr. Corrigan, that the recipient of this e-mail
3 clearly has access to Judge Cory, would you agree with
4 that?
5 A. Oh, yes.
6 182 Q. Yes. And it continues: "Secondly, I have sent the right
7 material to you, and it will be delivered when you meet
8 Fulton in the morning." Do you see that?
9 A. Yes.
10 183 Q. So obviously the person who is being sent this e-mail is
11 somebody who is meeting Fulton on the morning of the 9th of
12 September 2003?
13 A. That's correct.
14 184 Q. Which is the date referred to as when Judge Cory met him.
15 "I must advise that you both X and myself have been made
16 fully aware of the content of this material. However, we
17 have both agreed not to proceed further with the material
18 until after Judge Cory has had time to view and assess its
19 significance in relation to his inquiry into the murder of
20 X. I will be in London on Thursday, and if the possibility
21 of a brief meeting is still on the cards, I would
22 appreciate it.
23 Cheers,
24 X."
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26 Now, Mr. Corrigan, you are aware we don't know who sent
27 this e-mail, isn't that correct?
28 A. No.
29 185 Q. But whoever was sending it, was sending it and was trying
30 to organise -- had organised the meeting of Judge Cory with
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1 Mr. Fulton, isn't that so?
2 A. Yes.
3 186 Q. And it's a document which emanates from the British
4 Government; it's HMG 160, isn't that so?
5 A. That's right.
6 187 Q. And it appears to have been filed, if you look at the
7 number across the page, it appears to have been filed
8 within PSNI or RUC documentation, isn't that correct?
9 A. That's correct.
10 188 Q. So does that lead you to any conclusions or suspicions as
11 to how Mr. Keeley was brought to meet Judge Cory?
12 A. Well, of course; it's obvious.
13 189 Q. What is? explain it.
14 A. And there was a number of persons whom he met who
15 identified themselves and took him to the actual location
16 of Mr. Cory's office; it's mentioned elsewhere.
17 190 Q. Who do you think brought Mr. Keeley to Judge Cory?
18 A. Well, Willie Frazer was with him --
19 191 Q. Yes.
20 A. -- earlier on. But it would be a member of the British
21 Secret Service.
22 192 Q. O.K. Now, at tab -- sorry, at the next page, it's page
23 192, this is a transcript of a meeting between Willie
24 Frazer and Garda Jim Sheridan in Dundalk Garda Station on
25 the 19th of September 2003, so it's about eleven days later
26 and it's a note prepared by the guard, I believe, and I'm
27 not going to open all of it, just part of it:
28 "WF: Here is dossier. We have me(sic) Judge Cory." I
29 think that must mean "we have met Judge Cory." "Have you
30 checked out the houses?"
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1 So, would you agree with me that that indicates that
2 Mr. Frazer has met Judge Cory?
3 A. That's right.
4 193 Q. And evidence I think has been given, I think Mr. Sheridan
5 has given evidence that Mr. Frazer came and came with a
6 dossier of complaints about alleged garda collusion?
7 A. Yes.
8 194 Q. And over the second page, the next page, Mr. Corrigan, you
9 will see about five lines from the top in fact, they start
10 discussing the Omeath house, O.K. And you are aware that
11 an allegation is being made against you by Mr. Keeley about
12 you destroying evidence arising from the seizure of Omeath
13 house, isn't that so?
14 A. Yes.
15 195 Q. Now, chronologically, the next thing that happens is at tab
16 21, Mr. Corrigan, and we get the publication of Judge
17 Cory's report on 7th of October 2003. Were you -- did
18 Judge Cory contact you at all during his inquiry?
19 A. No.
20 196 Q. Were you provided with a copy of the report ultimately?
21 A. No.
22 197 Q. O.K. Just one part of Judge Cory's report I want to refer
23 you to is just the third page in in that tab, and it's
24 paragraph 2.21: "Prior meetings at garda stations across
25 the border" do you see that?
26 A. Which page is that?
27 198 Q. The third one in in tab 21. You have to go no the next
28 tab.
29 A. I am on tab 21.
30 199 Q. It's the third page in. The beginning of tab 21 is Judge
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1 Cory's report, do you see that?
2 A. That's right, yes, I have that.
3 200 Q. Then the next page is the index page.
4 A. I have that, yes.
5 201 Q. And then the next page is entitled: "Prior meetings at
6 garda stations across the border."
7 A. That's right.
8 202 Q. I want to open paragraph 2.21. Judge Cory says:
9 "Obviously, Superintendent Buchanan, in his role as Border
10 Superintendent, met frequently with garda officers in the
11 Republic of Ireland. His diary demonstrates the frequency
12 of his visits. For example, in the month of January" --
13 this is January '89 -- "he made ten visits south of the
14 border: five to Dundalk; three to Monaghan and two to
15 Carrickmacross. In February he made five visits to Dundalk
16 and three to Monaghan. Prior to the meeting on 20th, he
17 had attended, in the month of March, four meetings in
18 Dundalk, one in Monaghan and one in Carrickmacross. On
19 these occasions Superintendent Buchanan drove his own
20 vehicle, a red Vauxhall Cavalier which he had owned since
21 December 1986; it had northern licensed plates and was
22 readily identifiable."
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24 Now, what -- and I know you have a high regard of the late
25 Superintendent Buchanan, isn't that correct?
26 A. That's correct, yes.
27 203 Q. But leaving aside the identity of him, like, what do you
28 say about the safety of an RUC officer driving down the
29 south in the same car with the same number plates with the
30 frequency identified by Judge Cory in that paragraph?
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1 A. Oh, I think it's absolutely horrendous to be so
2 irresponsible.
3 204 Q. Well, in terms of irresponsible, do you think he just
4 didn't display sufficient care for his safety?
5 A. No... well, it was in relation to some aspect of his
6 religious belief that he felt that the man above would take
7 care of him in any given situation that might arise.
8 205 Q. But we have been here investigating these murders for a
9 long time in terms of trying to identify collusion. Would
10 you agree with me that the likely cause of the murders of
11 these two unfortunate officers was the fact that the
12 frequency with which Mr. Buchanan was visiting made him an
13 easy target for IRA surveillance?
14 A. I couldn't agree with you more, Mr. O'Callaghan.
15 206 Q. 22, Mr. Corrigan, if you go to tab 22. We just have at tab
16 22 --
17 A. Like, everybody in the place, as I mentioned to you several
18 times, he was causing absolutely panic by coming around the
19 place and people were terrified of their lives because I
20 mean, if the IRA come down the road and you are standing
21 with an RUC man, bullets are not selective, you know, you
22 are as big a target as the guy you are speaking to.
23 207 Q. O.K. At tab 22, then, Mr. Corrigan, is the official
24 Statutory Instrument setting up...
25 A. 22A, is it?
26 208 Q. No, 22.
27 A. Oh, 22.
28 209 Q. Is the official Statutory Instrument setting up this
29 Inquiry; it's just a document of importance. It's 2005,
30 then, this Inquiry was set up, you are aware of that,
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1 aren't you?
2 A. Yes.
3 210 Q. Now, if you look at 22A, 22A is another document that has
4 come out from the HMG files, and it is relevant because it
5 indicates what the army intelligence is about the murders
6 of Breen and Buchanan. And I just want to open this to you
7 and then ask you some questions about it.
8 "Summary of army intelligence for Smithwick Tribunal:
9 1. On 3 April 1989 the army received intelligence from an
10 agent reporting that a conversation had taken place in
11 which a named Catholic man and two unknown men briefly
12 referred to the fact that Chief Superintendent Breen and
13 Superintendent Buchanan had been killed. One of the named
14 men implied that PIRA had been responsible. The murder of
15 Lord Justice Gibson was also referred to in the
16 conversation. The agent suggested the named man might have
17 been involved or had knowledge of the murder. Although the
18 agent was fairly reliable, the army was not confident that
19 the intelligence was true.
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21 2. On 10 April 1989 the army received intelligence from an
22 agent suggesting that a further three named PIRA men were
23 involved in the shooting of the two RUC officers, one was
24 reported to have been involved in clearing the route while
25 the others had taken part in the shooting. Although the
26 agent was usually reliable the army was mot confident that
27 the intelligence was true.
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29 3. On 25 September 1995, the army received intelligence
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1 one of those named in the intelligence dated 10 April 1989,
2 had been one of those responsible for shooting the two RUC
3 officers. The intelligence came from a fairly reliable
4 agent and was assessed by the army to be possibly true.
5 The intelligence was provided by three different army
6 sources. It was standard practice for the army to share
7 intelligence with the RUC within 24 hours of receiving it."
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9 So, would you agree with me, Mr. Corrigan, that when you
10 look at what intelligence the British Army had in respect
11 of the murders of Breen and Buchanan, none of that evidence
12 suggests that either you or a garda officer was involved in
13 the collusion colluding in this murder?
14 A. Absolutely not one iota.
15 211 Q. And that is a document which covers intelligence from '89
16 up to, I think, up to the present, isn't that so?
17 A. That's right.
18 212 Q. The reason I bring that to your attention is that, are you
19 aware that the only evidence -- in fact I want to preface
20 this differently: You know there is no direct evidence
21 against you suggesting that you were involved in the murder
22 of these two officers, are you aware of that?
23 A. I am well aware at all times; I was always aware of it.
24 213 Q. But no one has come in here, not even Mr. Keeley or
25 Mr. Hurst, no one has come in here and given direct
26 evidence such as, you know, "I heard him on the phone, I
27 saw him doing this"; you are aware of that and Mr. Keeley,
28 in his evidence, says he has no direct evidence against
29 you, OK?
30 A. Yes.
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1 214 Q. So the only evidence against you is what can be called
2 indirect evidence?
3 A. Yes.
4 215 Q. And the only pieces of evidence against you are twofold?
5 A. Yes.
6 216 Q. First, Mr. Keeley says that on the day of the murders he
7 was in 'Mooch' Blair's house and Mickey Collins came in and
8 said the two RUC officers have been killed, "our friend"
9 helped out?
10 A. Well that's the point I was referring to earlier, that's
11 exactly it. That's as near as they came to.
12 217 Q. And that's what... and we will look at this in more detail
13 now the next day, but that's the primary piece of indirect
14 evidence against you, and Mr. Keeley says "well I assumed
15 that it was Owen Corrigan"?
16 A. Yes.
17 218 Q. O.K. And then there is other less, even less tenuous
18 evidence from Mr. Hurst. Mr. Hurst claims that he was told
19 by a British Army FRU officer that you had provided
20 information, and the British Army officer came here,
21 Witness 82, and he said that's all rubbish, you are aware
22 of that?
23 A. Yes.
24 219 Q. So the reason I have opened this to you Mr. Corrigan, is,
25 are you aware that at the time in the murders, in 1989,
26 Mr. Keeley was an army agent?
27 A. Oh yes, of course.
28 220 Q. And I asked him in cross-examination whether he had
29 provided this information about what was said in 'Mooch'
30 Blair's house to his army handlers; are you aware of that?
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1 A. Yes.
2 221 Q. And do you know what his answer was?
3 A. Yeah.
4 222 Q. He said he did provide that information. Now, would you
5 agree with me that if he did provide that information, it
6 would be provided to this Tribunal by the army, the British
7 Army?
8 A. Yes.
9 MR. SMITH: I don't think, Chairman, Mr. Corrigan can
10 answer that question. That is a matter for --
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12 CHAIRMAN: I think that is a matter of inference. It will,
13 no doubt, be a matter for the written submissions which
14 Mr. O'Callaghan will be making.
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16 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Fair enough.
17 223 Q. You agree with me there is nothing in the record of the
18 British Army intelligence in respect of the murders that
19 suggests garda collusion?
20 A. No.
21 224 Q. O.K.
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23 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Chairman, I am conscious we are all
24 trying to get through Mr. Corrigan as quickly as possible,
25 but I think we have another witness at two o'clock as well,
26 so I don't think Mr. Corrigan is keen to do anything this
27 afternoon and I spoke to him about that earlier on.
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29 CHAIRMAN: I know that I suggested he take his medical
30 advisor's advice on that, and evidently he has done it and
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1 he doesn't want to continue this afternoon, I'll certainly
2 accept that. So you want to discontinue now, do you? It's
3 just before one o'clock.
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5 MR. DILLON: Can it be confirmed to Mr. Corrigan can come
6 back to us on Wednesday at 11 o'clock?
7 A. Yes.
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9 MR. O'CALLAGHAN: And I will hope to finish Mr. Corrigan on
10 Wednesday, Chairman.
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12 CHAIRMAN: Yes. Thank you very much, Mr. O'Callaghan.
13 Thank you, Mr. Corrigan.
14 A. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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16 CHAIRMAN: Very well, I will rise then until 2 o'clock.
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1 JIM LANE, HAVING BEEN SWORN, WAS EXAMINED BY MR. VALENTINE
2 AS FOLLOWS:
3
4 MR. VALENTINE: Good afternoon, Mr. Lane. Thank you for
5 coming back to the Tribunal. I think you gave evidence to
6 the Chairman on Day 12 of the public proceedings, which was
7 on the 24th June, 2011, isn't that correct?
8 A. That's correct, yes.
9 225 Q. I think you were examined by Mrs. Laverty, Senior Counsel,
10 on that occasion. And the Tribunal has asked you to come
11 back to deal with a matter which arises from evidence given
12 last week by Detective Chief Superintendent Roy McComb an
13 behalf of the Police Service of Northern Ireland.
14 On Wednesday last, Mr. McComb put into evidence before the
15 Chairman five précis of intelligence, and I think you are
16 aware that one of those précis of intelligence makes
17 reference to you, isn't that correct?
18 A. That's correct, yes.
19 226 Q. And I'd ask Mr. Mills to hand you a copy of the relevant
20 précis. It was précis number 5 in the order of sequence in
21 which Mr. McComb put those into evidence. I'll ask
22 Mr. Mills to put it up on the screen as well. I am just
23 going to read it to you, Mr. Lane, and then ask you to
24 offer your comments to the Chairman in relation to it.
25
26 The précis states: "Intelligence indicates that a former
27 AGS officer, Jim Lane, who was based in the Dundalk area
28 frequently expressed his concerns to associates that fellow
29 AGS officers Finbarr Hickey, Leo Colton and Owen Corrigan
30 had unethical relationships with PIRA members in the border
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1 area."
2
3 Before I ask you to comment on that, Mr. Lane, I think I
4 should just state what we don't know about this précis of
5 intelligence, just for the purpose of clarity, we don't
6 know when this intelligence was received by the PSNI, other
7 than that it was received in the past six years. We also
8 don't know whether, when it was received, it was
9 contemporaneous; in other words, it was reporting something
10 that had been -- that you are purported to have expressed
11 to associates just around the time before it was received,
12 or whether it was historical. Those are things we don't
13 know. But can you assist the Chairman in relation to that
14 piece of intelligence and as to the --
15 A. If it's six years... Judge, I am retired almost 13 years,
16 anyhow, and I am aware of this intelligence that was from
17 last Thursday, but I can truly say that the only
18 conversation I had in relation to Finbarr Hickey, Leo
19 Colton and Owen Corrigan was that we would have
20 discussed -- with my colleagues and myself, we would have
21 discussed the incidents that they were involved in. That
22 would be quite natural, that we would have done that,
23 because we were working together every single day and we
24 were -- we would have been -- they were colleagues of ours,
25 and it would have been natural to discuss the incidents;
26 namely, the passport incident and the kidnapping of Owen
27 Corrigan. We would -- it would be -- even though I cannot
28 remember any specific conversation I had about them, but it
29 would be natural to say that we would have discussed those
30 things among one another.
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1 227 Q. Well, let's just take the three individuals named, one by
2 one, Mr. Lane. First of all, sorry, there is one thing I
3 should have additionally said when I put the information to
4 you, is that the PSNI said that -- it gave it an assessment
5 of being reliable and accurate. Let's just then take those
6 three, the three individuals named. Let's start with
7 retired Detective Sergeant Owen Corrigan. You initially
8 said incidences. What incidences -- incidents -- incident
9 or incidences would you have discussed in relation to
10 Detective Sergeant Owen Corrigan?
11 A. The main incident, as far as I am concerned, is that he was
12 kidnapped in Drogheda and beaten up.
13 228 Q. I'll come to that in a second. You refer to the "main
14 incident," which implies there are other more minor
15 incidents that you may have discussed. I wonder could you
16 assist the Chairman with that?
17 A. No, I wouldn't -- I can't, because the only incident we
18 would have discussed was the incident that he was involved
19 in.
20 229 Q. So you are saying it's the only incident that you would
21 have discussed in relation to Owen Corrigan?
22 A. I would say so.
23 230 Q. And what was the nature -- would that discussion -- when
24 would those discussions have taken place?
25 A. Probably the time he was kidnapped and beaten up and
26 detained in hospital.
27 231 Q. Which I think was in 1996 -- '1995, Mr. Dillon tells me; is
28 that correct?
29 A. I don't know what year it was. It was before I retired
30 anyhow, yeah.
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1 232 Q. Would you have had discussions in relation to
2 Mr. Corrigan's kidnapping in more recent years?
3 A. No.
4 233 Q. And what was the nature of the discussions you had in
5 relation to Detective Sergeant Corrigan's kidnapping around
6 that time in '95/'96?
7 A. I don't know what exactly we would have talked about. We
8 would have talked about -- it's 15 years ago, Judge, and I
9 don't know what exactly the conversation was about, but I'm
10 sure we would have talked about it.
11 234 Q. Would you have speculated as to why he was kidnapped?
12 A. I have no idea, nor I never had any idea why he was
13 kidnapped.
14 235 Q. I think, if I just refer briefly to your evidence to the
15 Chairman on the 24th of June, 2011. I think, in response
16 to a question from Mr. Baker, you indicated that you
17 visited Owen Corrigan in hospital -- I'm reading, sorry,
18 from page 16 of the transcript for Day 12. You say, in
19 relation to Mr. Corrigan, and the answer to question 107:
20 "I know he was kidnapped and I know he got a very bad
21 beating. I visited him that time in hospital. He
22 certainly got a bad beating."
23 So you visited Mr. Corrigan in hospital?
24 A. I did, yes.
25 236 Q. Was that in an official capacity as part of an
26 investigation, or in a personal capacity?
27 A. No, that's in a personal capacity. I had known him from
28 1965. I knew -- I have known Owen Corrigan from 1965.
29 237 Q. Did you ask Mr. Corrigan who had kidnapped him?
30 A. I didn't ask him what happened to him or how -- what were
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1 the circumstances. I didn't ask him any of that.
2 238 Q. Why not?
3 A. Well, I called -- he was in -- that was the night of the
4 kidnapping, and he was in a very bad state in the hospital.
5 It wasn't the time nor the place to ask him those things.
6 239 Q. Surely, it's when you visit someone in hospital and they
7 are in a bad state, it's possibly the first thing you ask
8 them. Well, you ask them how they are. It's the second
9 thing you ask them: "What happened to you?"
10 A. I didn't. As far as I remember, I didn't ask him that, My
11 Lord, no.
12 240 Q. And you don't recall whether you speculated with colleagues
13 as to what had happened to him or who had kidnapped him?
14 A. We have no idea who kidnapped Owen Corrigan.
15 241 Q. Did you tell any colleagues that you had visited him, and
16 outline the state he was in?
17 A. Pardon?
18 242 Q. After you visited him in hospital, when you went back to
19 work after that, did you tell people that you had visited
20 him and tell them that he was in a bad way?
21 A. Yes, I am sure I did.
22 243 Q. And at that point, was there speculation about what had
23 happened to him?
24 A. I don't remember, Judge. There probably was, but I don't
25 remember exactly what the speculation was about, I don't
26 remember.
27 244 Q. Turning, then, to Mr. Hickey and Mr. Colton, you indicated
28 that -- you again referred to just one incident, that's the
29 incident of the passport affair, is that right?
30 A. That's correct, yes.
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1 245 Q. And would that have been the only incident in relation to
2 those two gentlemen where you would have had general
3 discussions with your colleagues about --
4 A. Yes.
5 246 Q. -- their involvement in it? What was the nature of those
6 discussions with your colleagues?
7 A. Again, it's a long time ago, I don't know the exact nature
8 of what we talked about. We would have talked about what
9 did happen and that -- the fact that Finbarr Hickey was
10 arrested and charged.
11 247 Q. I think, in fairness, when you were here on the 24th of
12 June, you said that you -- you gave evidence to the
13 Chairman, I'll just read the exact words in a second, that
14 you accepted the version of events in relation to the
15 passport affair given by Finbarr Hickey. You were asked at
16 page 10, question 74:
17 "And do you believe that, do you believe
18 Mr. Hickey, Mr. Hickey's version of events?"
19 And you answered:
20 "Well, I may be biased but I have known Finbarr
21 Hickey since he was a child. He was living at
22 the station when I was at the station. I have
23 known him since he was a child, and it is my
24 opinion that he wouldn't say that unless it was
25 true."
26 You were then asked:
27 "Have you ever had any suspicion or information
28 over the years that Finbarr Hickey had any
29 connection with the IRA prior to this
30 incident?"
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1 And you replied "No."
2 So, would you have been expressing that view to colleagues
3 around the time that Finbarr Hickey and Leo Colton were
4 brought to Navan Garda station when this initially blew up?
5 A. Expressing that opinion?
6 248 Q. Expressing that opinion, yeah?
7 A. Maybe. It's quite possible.
8 249 Q. Would you have been expressing the opinion, or did you
9 discuss with colleagues the fact that you thought Leo
10 Colton, therefore, was the person who got Finbarr Hickey to
11 sign these passports?
12 A. That's what Finbarr Hickey said.
13 250 Q. When did you become aware that that's what Finbarr Hickey
14 said?
15 A. I don't know that. I don't know that. I wasn't
16 investigating the case, but I don't know when I became
17 aware of, or how near or during the investigation when that
18 -- as I say, I don't know exactly that date.
19 251 Q. In fairness, I should also indicate to you -- I've
20 indicated what you said in relation to Mr. Hickey. In
21 relation to Mr. Corrigan, I should also indicate that you
22 stated in evidence to the Chairman, that in relation to the
23 allegations about Mr. Corrigan being a mole, you stated at
24 page 9:
25 "I do not believe those allegations, Judge. I
26 have known Owen Corrigan a lifetime, and I do
27 not believe them, but that is only my opinion?"
28 Later down that page, question 69, you were asked:
29 "Did you at any stage receive information that
30 might suggest that he had behaved less than
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1 properly as a member of the Gardaí."
2 And you replied "No."
3 Other than general discussion in relation to the passport
4 incident and the kidnapping of Owen Corrigan, did you ever
5 express a concern to any associate of yours that
6 Mr. Corrigan or Mr. Hickey - we'll come to Mr. Colton in a
7 second - had unethical relationships with Provisional IRA
8 members in the border area?
9 A. I had no idea until the passport incident that this was a
10 fact. I had no idea.
11 252 Q. You had no idea that what was a fact, sorry?
12 A. That they had unethical relationship with the Provisional
13 IRA.
14 253 Q. Just to be clear, who are you speaking about here?
15 A. I'm talking about Finbarr Hickey and Owen Corrigan, that
16 you asked me about.
17 254 Q. Yeah. But when the passport matter came to light, what had
18 that got to do with Owen Corrigan?
19 A. Oh, none, none, but -- nothing whatsoever got to do with
20 Owen Corrigan, that I know of, anyhow.
21 255 Q. So the first time you had discussions in relation to
22 Mr. Corrigan would have been the kidnapping, is that your
23 evidence?
24 A. That's the first incident that he was involved in.
25 256 Q. And in relation to Mr. Colton, then, prior to the passport
26 incident, would you ever have had discussions with
27 colleagues about Mr. Colton possibly being involved in some
28 way with subversives?
29 A. No, I had no idea that he had any unethical relationship
30 with the Provisional IRA.
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1 257 Q. And just to be clear, these general conversations you had
2 in relation to the passport incident and the kidnapping
3 incident, they were around the time that those incidents
4 were live, so to speak, or were current?
5 A. That's right, yes.
6 258 Q. And you haven't had any discussions with associates about
7 them in more recent years?
8 A. No.
9 259 Q. Let's turn, then, to just the Tribunal, and let's
10 particularly, because there has been so much media
11 coverage, let's focus on the last twelve months, given that
12 the Tribunal has been running in public hearings and that
13 there has been media coverage in relation to that. Have
14 you had any discussions about the Tribunal's terms of
15 reference with associates in the past twelve months?
16 A. Very rarely would I have discussed the Tribunal with any of
17 my colleagues. I don't see them that often, and it would
18 be very rarely that we would -- sometimes, we'd say
19 somebody said such a thing at the Tribunal or -- it would
20 be just general conversation about what was happening.
21 260 Q. So there have been some discussions within the past twelve
22 months, is that a fair analysis of what you said?
23 A. Very rarely.
24 261 Q. Very rarely, but some?
25 A. Some, yes.
26 262 Q. Does the content of any of those stick out in your mind
27 about -- do you recall any conversations in relation to the
28 evidence of any specific individual?
29 A. No, I do not.
30 263 Q. Do you recall the content of those conversations with any
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1 degree of specificity at all?
2 A. I can't, Judge. It would be general; just, we'll say,
3 somebody said such a thing at the Tribunal, and that's the
4 conversation, just on that term.
5 264 Q. Do you recall who you had these very rare conversations
6 with?
7 A. Probably the people that I used to work with in the
8 station. They are now retired and I'm retired.
9 265 Q. Who would they be?
10 A. Tom Molloy, Tom Duffy, probably generally, that would be --
11 they'd probably be the only two I would have ever mentioned
12 the Tribunal to.
13 266 Q. Is 'unethical' a word that you would use?
14 A. Never. I would never use that word.
15
16 MR. VALENTINE: Thank you very much, Mr. Lane. If you
17 answer any questions any of my colleagues might have.
18
19 CHAIRMAN: Any questions?
20
21 MR. ROBINSON: I have some questions, Mr. Chairman.
22
23 THE WITNESS WAS CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. ROBINSON AS FOLLOWS:
24
25 267 Q. MR. ROBINSON: Mr. Lane, my name is Mark Robinson. I
26 appear on behalf of the PSNI.
27 If I can just go to the period of time to 1988 when
28 Mr. Corrigan was the senior Detective Sergeant there in
29 Dundalk, and I wonder if you can recall any rumours that
30 were spread at the time regarding Mr. Corrigan?
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1 A. I don't know what that man -- I don't know exactly what you
2 are talking about.
3 268 Q. Were there any rumours around that time regarding
4 Mr. Corrigan?
5 A. I don't think so.
6 269 Q. Mr. Corrigan gave evidence that -- you have heard of the
7 SB50 from 1985, Mr. Lane, have you?
8 A. Pardon?
9 270 Q. Have you heard of the SB50 document from 1985?
10 A. No, I don't know --
11 271 Q. It's an RUC intelligence document, and it states that "Owen
12 Corrigan is helping out the PIRA. Owen Corrigan is keeping
13 both the boys and the organisation well-informed and he
14 let's the boys know what the security forces are doing in
15 the North when he can."
16
17 Now, during Mr. Corrigan's evidence, he stated, on Day 114,
18 a number of questions were put to him and his evidence was
19 that he had heard the contents of that SB50 as rumour
20 circulated by PIRA during his time as the lead detective in
21 Dundalk to damage his reputation. Were you aware of that
22 rumour at the time?
23 A. I wasn't, no, My Lord, no, definitely not.
24 272 Q. Definitely not?
25 A. Definitely not.
26 273 Q. And just to be very clear, this is a unit of approximately
27 ten detectives up until the changes brought in by the
28 Anglo-Irish Agreement?
29 A. It would be what?
30
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1 CHAIRMAN: The Detective Unit at Dundalk was approximately
2 ten detectives at that point?
3 A. Oh, that would be right, yeah, that would be correct.
4
5 274 Q. MR. ROBINSON: And that's a relatively small unit,
6 Mr. Lane, is it not?
7 A. It is.
8 275 Q. And you would need to keep each other briefed in relation
9 to what is happening on the ground, you would accept that?
10 A. Yes, yes.
11 276 Q. You needed to know what PIRA were doing?
12 A. Yes.
13 277 Q. And if, for example, there were adverse rumours spread by
14 PIRA, you would know about that?
15 A. I think I would, My Lord, yes.
16 278 Q. You see, Mr. Corrigan states that his team would, of
17 course, have been aware of that rumour at the time in 1985.
18 Is your evidence that -- is your evidence that there was no
19 such rumour?
20 A. I was not aware of any rumours about Sergeant Corrigan at
21 that time.
22 279 Q. And, of course, you would have briefed each other. Were
23 you in exactly the same detail as Mr. Corrigan, did you
24 work with Mr. Corrigan?
25 A. Yes, I did, I was attached to the same office as
26 Mr. Corrigan, yes.
27 280 Q. And, no doubt, something like that would not have escaped
28 your attention?
29 A. It shouldn't have had.
30 281 Q. And let's be very clear, because Mr. Corrigan was then
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1 further questioned that -- to confirm whether or not his
2 whole team would have known about this, and he said that
3 they would be aware. You can't recall anything regarding
4 that?
5 A. I don't remember any of that rumours at all.
6 282 Q. Did you hear any adverse rumours regarding Mr. Corrigan
7 during this time in Dundalk?
8 A. No.
9 283 Q. Nothing?
10 A. Nothing.
11 284 Q. And moving, then, to the period when Mr. Corrigan was on
12 sick leave, that's December 1989, he then retired in
13 February 1992. He also gave evidence that he would discuss
14 matters with his colleagues in Dundalk from time to time
15 and pass on information, were you aware of that?
16 A. Not generally, My Lord. I didn't -- he wasn't my sergeant
17 at that time before he had retired. I wasn't working on
18 his unit.
19 285 Q. I asked you were you aware of that?
20 A. I was not aware, no.
21 286 Q. So your evidence is that you heard nothing regarding the
22 passing of information from Mr. Corrigan to An Garda
23 Siochana during the sick leave?
24 A. No, I didn't hear of any suspicious rumours about Sergeant
25 Corrigan.
26 287 Q. I'm not asking about suspicious rumours. I am asking --
27 Mr. Lane, to be very clear, he gave evidence that he did
28 pass information to the guards whilst he was on sick leave,
29 and that continued until he retired in 1992.
30 A. I don't know about that, My Lord, I don't know.
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1 288 Q. Is it not correct, Mr. Lane, that you ought to have been
2 aware of that, because this could have been vital
3 information?
4 A. But it all depends on who he reported it to. He may well
5 have reported that, if he knew someone, he may well have
6 reported that to a higher authority and it come down from
7 them.
8 289 Q. And, Mr. Lane, you were a part of this unit prior to the
9 changes. Who would have been the closest detectives to
10 Owen Corrigan at the time?
11 A. I knew him the longest, anyhow. I knew him from 1965.
12 Everybody. It was a close-knit unit. I wouldn't say there
13 was one more friendly with him than the other. It was a
14 close-knit unit, enough.
15 290 Q. Is it correct, Mr. Lane, that you arrived in Dundalk, is it
16 a year before Owen Corrigan or the same time?
17 A. No, I came in 1964. He came to Dundalk, I think, in '65.
18 291 Q. Yes. So you were there a year before he arrived. And even
19 after he retires in '92, you visit him then in hospital in
20 '95 after the kidnapping?
21 A. Yes.
22 292 Q. And what level of contact did you have with Mr. Corrigan
23 between the time he went on sick leave and the time you
24 visited him in hospital in '95?
25 A. Very little, very little contact.
26 293 Q. Why then visit him in hospital if you had very little
27 contact with him?
28 A. I visited him purely on a personal basis.
29 294 Q. Can I suggest to you, Mr. Lane, that you knew Owen Corrigan
30 the longest?
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1 A. Yes.
2 295 Q. The reason you visited him after he had retired some three
3 years later was because you were good friends with
4 Mr. Corrigan, isn't that correct?
5 A. I was what?
6 296 Q. You were good friends with Mr. Corrigan?
7 A. I never -- I worked with Owen Corrigan and I was friendly
8 with him, but I never went about with Owen Corrigan or
9 anything --
10 297 Q. Sorry, could you repeat that?
11 A. I never went about with him or socialised with him.
12 298 Q. Sorry, could you repeat that, please?
13
14 CHAIRMAN: He never went about with him or socialised with
15 him.
16
17 299 Q. MR. ROBINSON: So three years after he actually left on
18 sick leave in '89, so some six years after that, you then
19 make a personal visit to him in hospital?
20 A. Yes.
21 300 Q. And you didn't socialise with this man, is that your
22 evidence?
23 A. That's my evidence. I didn't --
24 301 Q. Why did you not socialise with him, given it was such a
25 close unit?
26 A. Because I am not a great man for socialising, anyhow.
27 302 Q. And when you then attended the hospital in '95, you say in
28 your statement that you were -- you didn't know who
29 kidnapped him or why he was kidnapped. And again, the
30 Tribunal's counsel has touched upon this. You actually
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1 visited someone that is badly injured in hospital and you
2 don't ask anything about what led to them being in
3 hospital?
4 A. That's right. That's the condition he was in. I didn't
5 think it was the right thing to do the night I called to
6 him.
7 303 Q. And did you hear prior to your visit that he had been
8 kidnapped? How did you come to know that he was in
9 hospital?
10 A. I don't know who told me he was in hospital, but it came,
11 the word came to the station that he was in hospital,
12 anyhow.
13 304 Q. Now, Mr. Lane, let's just be very clear, because your
14 memory suits on some occasions, then you can't remember
15 quite significant events. Primarily, it's not every day
16 that a colleague, a retired colleague gets abducted and
17 beaten up, is it?
18 A. No, but it's a long time ago, sure.
19 305 Q. It's not that long ago to forget about it. Have you had
20 other retired colleagues abducted and beaten up recently?
21 A. No, never.
22 306 Q. So it's a -- it's pretty, would you say a unique
23 experience?
24 A. It was, yes.
25 307 Q. And Mr. Corrigan has given evidence that he believes it was
26 because he was a guard that he was beaten up. Did he
27 express that to you?
28 A. That night?
29 308 Q. At any stage, did he express that view to you?
30 A. No, he did not, My Lord, no.
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1 309 Q. And did he express the view that he believes he was beaten
2 up because PIRA were under pressure or were getting hassle
3 from Dundalk Detective Branch and they were going to take
4 them on? Did he mention that to you?
5 A. Owen Corrigan did not. Owen Corrigan -- he did not make
6 any statement of complaint.
7 310 Q. That's not -- I'm not asking about a statement of
8 complaint; I'm asking what he said to you.
9 A. He did not express that opinion to me.
10 311 Q. Sorry, could you please speak a little louder.
11
12 CHAIRMAN: He did not express.
13 A. Did not, yes.
14 312 Q. MR. ROBINSON: And you didn't ask?
15 A. I didn't ask.
16 313 Q. And if, in fact, what he says is correct, that PIRA
17 kidnapped him because the Detective Branch in Dundalk were
18 giving him hassle, he should have warned you at least? You
19 were still part of the Detective Branch in Dundalk, that's
20 correct?
21 A. I was still part, yes.
22 314 Q. And he didn't say "By the way, PIRA are going to take you
23 on"?
24 A. No, I never heard that rumour.
25 315 Q. You heard nothing about that?
26 A. I heard nothing about that, no.
27 316 Q. No warning to look after your personal safety because they
28 could kidnap someone else?
29 A. No.
30 317 Q. And Mr. Corrigan has also given evidence that, and I am
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1 subject to correction, but he was asked about the personnel
2 in Dundalk, who they were, etc. You weren't warned that
3 the personnel in Dundalk were being discussed?
4 A. No.
5 318 Q. I believe it's also the case that Mr. Corrigan gave
6 evidence that operations, or inquiries were made about
7 operations that had gone wrong, PIRA operations that had
8 gone wrong, and wanted to find out how An Garda Siochana
9 knew how they went wrong, about sources, who was providing
10 information. Did you hear anything about that at the time?
11 A. No.
12 319 Q. And it's correct that you would expect to hear something
13 like that if that was true?
14 A. It's possible, yes.
15 320 Q. Well, it's crucial, is it not? If PIRA are kidnapping
16 retired guards because Dundalk Detective Branch were taking
17 them on, you should know about that? You accept it's
18 crucial?
19 A. I would accept that, yes, if that was what was happening.
20
21 MR. ROBINSON: I have no further questions.
22
23 MR. LEHANE: Mr. Chairman, just in light of that
24 questioning, could I ask this witness some questions?
25
26 CHAIRMAN: Yes, of course.
27
28 THE WITNESS WAS CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. LEHANE AS FOLLOWS:
29
30 321 Q. MR. LEHANE: Mr. Lane, this is your second time here, isn't
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1 that right?
2 A. That's right.
3 322 Q. In fairness to you, you gave evidence the first time you
4 were here about the kidnapping of Mr. Corrigan, isn't that
5 right?
6 A. That's right, yes.
7 323 Q. And you told the Tribunal, in answer to questions by
8 counsel for the Garda Commissioner, that you went to visit
9 Mr. Corrigan, that you were speaking to him in hospital and
10 that his face was definitely very badly marked, isn't that
11 right?
12 A. That's right, yes.
13 324 Q. And on that occasion, sir, am I correct in saying you
14 weren't asked any questions by counsel for the PSNI, if you
15 can remember?
16 A. Pardon?
17 325 Q. Were you asked any questions by counsel for the PSNI on
18 that occasion?
19 A. No.
20 326 Q. No, you weren't, you're quite right. Now, reference has
21 been made by My Friend to your visit to Mr. Corrigan in
22 hospital. You have given evidence to the Chairman that you
23 worked with Mr. Corrigan since 1965, isn't that right?
24 A. I didn't work all that time with him. But I knew him from
25 1965.
26 327 Q. Sorry, you worked with him and you had a good relationship
27 with him in a work context, isn't that right?
28 A. Yes.
29 328 Q. Would you agree with me that there is nothing particularly
30 untoward about you going to visit a former colleague who is
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1 seriously injured in hospital?
2 A. I would hope not.
3 329 Q. Reference has been made -- sorry, just in relation to that;
4 in a personal capacity, you were visiting him in a personal
5 capacity, a colleague who has been seriously injured?
6 A. Yes.
7 330 Q. Now, your evidence on the last occasion was that his face
8 was definitely very badly marked, is that right?
9 A. That's right, yes.
10 331 Q. And you can't remember what you spoke to him about on that
11 occasion, is that right?
12 A. I can't remember exactly, the exact words of the
13 conversation we had that night. I don't remember.
14 332 Q. Now, reference has also been made by My Friend to an SB50,
15 an RUC intelligence document that's been opened up before
16 the Tribunal. Are you aware that that SB50 had a grading
17 that was on the low side in terms of accuracy or
18 reliability?
19 A. I am not aware of that, no.
20 333 Q. You have also been asked about my client's evidence that he
21 was aware of rumours circulating or being circulated by
22 subversives in Dundalk. How many subversives were active
23 in Dundalk during the 1980s in terms of both, what I might
24 call, fully paid-up subversives and supportive people of
25 subversives?
26 A. A lot, anyhow. I cannot put a number, but a lot, anyhow.
27 334 Q. Evidence has been given to the Tribunal that there were
28 between three and four hundred subversives or people who
29 were sympathetic to subversives in and around Dundalk?
30 A. There is no doubt that's true.
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1 335 Q. Are you in a position to be aware of what all of those
2 people are talking about at any one particular time?
3 A. I definitely am not, no.
4
5 MR. LEHANE: Thank you very much.
6
7 MR. ROBINSON: I just want to make one point, sir, in
8 response. I was asking questions out of the evidence that
9 Owen Corrigan has already given. I did not have the
10 benefit of that and nor did the Tribunal have the benefit
11 of that evidence until very recently. So, in my respectful
12 submission, I was entitled to ask the questions.
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14 CHAIRMAN: Well, you are entitled to cross-examine, and you
15 have done so.
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17 MR. ROBINSON: I am very much obliged. There is just one
18 final point if I can ask this witness.
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20 THE WITNESS WAS FURTHER CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. ROBINSON
21 AS FOLLOWS:
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23 336 Q. Mr. ROBINSON: Mr. Lane, Mr. Corrigan described the new
24 regime as a den of vampires, the new regime in Dundalk.
25 Did you agree with that, would you agree with that
26 assessment?
27 A. Not to me personally. The people in charge in Dundalk were
28 okay, as far as I was concerned.
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30 MR. ROBINSON: No further questions.
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2 CHAIRMAN: Any other questions? Assuming --
3
4 MR. VALENTINE: Just two brief matters, Chairman. First of
5 all, in relation to -- this is more a correction of the
6 evidence. Thus far, the evidence given in public in
7 relation to the assessment of the SB50 of 1985 by the PSNI
8 is that it was medium grade. That's -- thus far, that's
9 the evidence that was given in public.
10
11 MR. LEHANE: Sorry, Mr. Chairman, the transcript of the
12 evidence that was given in private by Mr. McConville was
13 read into evidence, and, during the course of the evidence
14 that was read into evidence publicly, sir, reference was
15 made to the low nature of the grading. Evidence has been
16 given to you, sir, in public, by the witnesses who A)
17 collected that information, Witnesses Q and Z, and Witness
18 X, who was their superior, and their evidence, sir, was
19 that, to the best of their recollection, the evidence was
20 either medium or came from a medium source. One of the
21 grounds upon which Mr. O'Callaghan has sought to have the
22 grading of the SB50 actually read out in public hearing is
23 to put that evidence into context, because, in fairness to
24 those officers who gave that evidence, when asked, and on
25 one occasion when asked by you, sir, to Witness Z, to
26 identify the particular grading, they were unable to do so.
27 So I don't think I am breaching --
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29 MR. VALENTINE: I am not suggesting that it is the case --
30 I think it's the case now, that it's in the public record
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1 that the number in relation to the intelligence as opposed
2 to the source is the lowest number and the evidence is that
3 that means that it's not capable of being tested. But in
4 any event, that's really a matter for the record, and there
5 is still submissions to be made in respect of the grading,
6 so I don't propose to trouble this witness any further with
7 that, Chairman.
8
9 THE WITNESS WAS RE-EXAMINED BY MR. VALENTINE AS FOLLOWS:
10
11 337 Q. MR. VALENTINE: Just two matters arising from the questions
12 asked by Mr. Robinson, Mr. Lane. Did I understand you to
13 say that you had never heard of a garda being kidnapped and
14 interrogated and beaten up? Perhaps I...
15 A. I don't know of any other guard that was kidnapped and
16 beaten up. I don't know.
17 338 Q. Sorry, could you repeat that?
18 A. I don't know of any other guard that was kidnapped and
19 beaten up.
20 339 Q. Do you believe the version of events given by Mr. Corrigan,
21 that he was kidnapped, interrogated and beaten up by the
22 IRA with a view to getting information about his work as a
23 guard and about his fellow gardaí?
24 A. That's what he said, My Lord, yes.
25 340 Q. Do you believe it?
26 A. I have no way of proving what he is saying is true or
27 untrue. I don't know.
28
29 MR. VALENTINE: Very good. Thank you very much.
30 Chairman, that concludes the business for today. I
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1 understand the next session, therefore, is 11 a.m. on
2 Wednesday morning. Thank you very much.
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4 CHAIRMAN: Until 11:00, then, on Wednesday.
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Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30 July 2012 - Day 118 3 bottom [12] - 12:24, 24:19, 25:3, 26:16, 73:1, 78:22 circulated [2] - 85:20, 60:22, 61:1, 61:30 12:27, 14:3, 21:2, 27:13, 27:30, 29:10, cetera [3] - 18:28, 19:11, 94:21 commencement [1] - 33:20, 33:23, 37:9, 30:15, 31:25, 31:30, 43:1 circulating [2] - 39:22, 35:21 44:2, 48:28, 50:5, 32:23, 38:24, 40:23, chairman [2] - 72:23, 94:21 comment [3] - 3:3, 18:4, 50:15, 50:19 40:26, 41:24, 43:27, 73:16 circulation [2] - 10:4, 76:3 bouncing [1] - 18:14 44:6, 44:18, 44:30, CHAIRMAN [19] - 1:3, 46:20 comments [3] - 30:11, box [3] - 3:1, 3:11, 53:17 46:4, 48:19, 50:8, 51:7, 1:21, 2:2, 3:18, 4:3, circumstances [2] - 2:5, 34:19, 75:24 boys [2] - 85:13, 85:14 55:22, 57:24, 59:5, 4:20, 5:16, 17:6, 72:12, 79:1 Commission [2] - 31:12, Branch [33] - 12:16, 59:25, 60:29, 61:3, 72:29, 73:12, 84:19, cited [1] - 7:5 56:24 12:29, 13:3, 13:15, 61:20, 62:2, 67:9, 86:1, 89:14, 91:12, civilian [1] - 18:28 commission [1] - 21:10 14:4, 16:4, 18:13, 67:19, 67:25, 68:12, 92:26, 95:14, 96:2, 98:4 claim [2] - 23:23, 27:16 Commissioner [2] - 42:7, 18:22, 18:23, 24:29, 69:6, 69:13, 70:11 Chairman [40] - 1:5, 2:4, claims [2] - 31:20, 71:18 93:8 25:24, 26:12, 29:8, building [1] - 55:3 2:27, 4:6, 5:5, 6:5, 6:6, clarified [1] - 59:20 committed [1] - 8:4 31:17, 34:13, 34:27, bullets [1] - 68:21 7:10, 7:15, 8:2, 9:3, clarify [1] - 42:30 Committee [1] - 18:2 35:5, 35:14, 38:13, Burns [2] - 19:29, 51:29 9:18, 11:30, 13:21, clarity [1] - 76:5 Commons [2] - 46:1, 38:16, 41:18, 42:11, business [1] - 97:30 17:8, 17:10, 36:5, Clarke [1] - 51:28 46:25 42:19, 42:27, 45:19, Butchers [1] - 19:9 53:20, 53:28, 54:6, clear [10] - 3:29, 44:24, communication [1] - 48:9, 48:26, 51:10, BY [6] - 6:1, 75:1, 84:23, 72:9, 73:10, 73:14, 56:8, 82:14, 83:1, 27:22 62:20, 91:3, 91:17, 92:28, 95:20, 97:9 74:3, 75:6, 75:15, 85:26, 86:30, 87:27, community [1] - 56:12 91:19, 92:16 75:24, 76:13, 77:16, 90:13 comparisons [1] - 30:8 78:15, 80:13, 81:22, breaches [1] - 18:4 C clearing [1] - 69:24 complain [1] - 35:25 breaching [1] - 96:27 84:21, 92:23, 93:22, clearly [5] - 3:7, 26:9, complaint [3] - 58:17, C2 [1] - 33:6 break [1] - 8:18 96:4, 96:11, 97:7, 97:30 54:1, 54:7, 64:3 91:6, 91:8 Cameron [1] - 58:12 chance [1] - 6:8 Breen [50] - 11:17, 12:6, client [2] - 4:23, 53:22 complaints [2] - 26:16, Camon [2] - 54:26, 55:8 change [2] - 5:1, 59:22 12:13, 15:12, 19:30, client's [1] - 94:20 66:6 Camon-Kirwan [2] - changed [3] - 11:25, 20:27, 23:7, 23:17, close [3] - 88:12, 88:14, compliance [1] - 33:6 54:26, 55:8 24:17, 25:3, 26:16, 51:12, 56:21 89:25 compromising [1] - campaign [1] - 45:29 changes [2] - 85:27, 88:9 27:13, 27:14, 27:30, close-knit [2] - 88:12, 19:13 Canadian [1] - 31:11 28:10, 29:10, 30:3, charge [1] - 95:27 88:14 concern [5] - 48:1, 52:5, candidate [1] - 21:17 30:15, 31:25, 31:29, charged [1] - 80:10 closer [1] - 1:19 54:23, 57:17, 82:5 32:23, 38:23, 40:23, cannot [2] - 76:27, 94:26 chase [1] - 23:15 closest [1] - 88:9 concerned [6] - 12:15, 40:26, 41:23, 43:27, capable [1] - 97:3 check [2] - 34:1, 34:3 closure/court [1] - 22:17 16:30, 25:4, 50:25, 44:6, 44:18, 44:30, capacity [6] - 60:18, checked [2] - 47:16, cognisance [1] - 30:22 77:11, 95:28 46:4, 48:19, 49:26, 78:25, 78:26, 78:27, 65:30 colleague [6] - 24:16, concerning [9] - 22:12, 50:8, 50:10, 50:19, 94:4, 94:5 checking [1] - 36:30 24:19, 90:16, 93:30, 22:16, 23:6, 26:23, 50:24, 51:6, 52:5, capital [1] - 36:30 cheers [1] - 64:23 94:5 28:20, 30:4, 32:29, 55:22, 57:23, 59:4, Captain [1] - 19:24 Chief [55] - 10:23, 11:9, colleagues [15] - 13:6, 42:21, 51:6 59:25, 60:29, 61:3, car [2] - 60:22, 67:29 11:17, 15:12, 15:16, 15:24, 76:20, 76:24, concerns [3] - 25:12, 61:19, 62:2, 69:6, cards [1] - 64:21 15:24, 18:19, 19:28, 79:12, 79:15, 80:3, 49:26, 75:28 69:12, 70:11 care [2] - 68:4, 68:7 19:29, 20:27, 21:4, 80:6, 81:2, 81:9, 82:27, concluded [1] - 58:22 Breen's [1] - 30:5 carnage [1] - 8:10 21:5, 21:24, 22:6, 22:7, 83:17, 84:17, 87:14, concludes [3] - 44:10, Breen/Buchanan [2] - Carrickfergus [1] - 19:4 22:11, 23:7, 23:17, 90:20 49:3, 97:30 25:30, 31:1 Carrickmacross [2] - 24:16, 24:17, 25:3, collected [1] - 96:17 conclusions [1] - 65:10 Brendan [2] - 19:29 67:15, 67:18 25:13, 25:14, 26:24, collectively [1] - 45:5 condition [2] - 6:29, 90:4 brief [3] - 63:14, 64:21, Carrigan [1] - 51:9 26:25, 27:12, 28:4, Collins [1] - 71:7 conduct [2] - 29:24, 96:4 carry [2] - 34:19, 45:28 28:9, 29:9, 29:20, colluded [1] - 14:27 30:21 briefed [4] - 25:21, 25:23, case [18] - 2:27, 3:21, 29:23, 30:1, 30:4, colluding [1] - 70:13 conducted [2] - 32:21, 86:8, 86:22 3:24, 3:30, 10:29, 30:26, 31:15, 31:24, collusion [27] - 9:1, 33:11 briefings [4] - 22:23, 18:14, 23:13, 23:16, 31:29, 32:14, 32:17, 10:16, 11:10, 11:16, conducting [2] - 30:16, 24:28, 26:12, 27:21 23:22, 25:22, 34:11, 32:19, 32:22, 38:23, 11:23, 16:13, 31:9, 31:13 briefly [3] - 54:29, 69:11, 35:13, 57:22, 57:27, 42:6, 42:8, 42:13, 35:26, 36:6, 36:10, confided [1] - 12:14 78:14 81:16, 92:5, 96:29, 47:28, 47:29, 48:26, 36:12, 42:15, 42:21, confident [3] - 21:19, bring [1] - 70:18 96:30 50:7, 50:24, 51:6, 48:2, 49:11, 54:22, 69:18, 69:26 brings [1] - 15:9 cases [1] - 57:16 57:23, 60:29, 69:12, 56:11, 56:26, 56:28, confirm [3] - 32:4, 42:20, 75:12 British [13] - 35:26, 36:7, casualties [2] - 18:27, 57:18, 57:22, 58:23, 87:1 46:19, 60:16, 60:17, 18:28 child [2] - 80:21, 80:23 59:5, 66:6, 68:9, 70:13, confirmation [2] - 36:29, chipped [1] - 45:3 63:21, 65:3, 65:20, categoric [1] - 10:29 72:19 37:4 70:10, 71:19, 71:20, categorically [1] - 13:22 Chris [1] - 56:24 Colton [8] - 75:29, 76:19, confirmed [7] - 12:28, 72:6, 72:18 [1] catering [1] - 8:25 chronological - 25:9 79:27, 81:3, 81:10, 13:2, 13:10, 36:19, broadcast [2] - 46:27, [4] Catholic [1] - 69:11 chronologically - 82:6, 82:25, 82:27 41:30, 43:3, 73:5 46:28 59:29, 60:5, 62:17, caused [1] - 63:27 column [1] - 41:9 confirming [1] - 13:11 broader [1] - 18:15 66:15 causing [1] - 68:18 coming [9] - 4:29, 32:11, connection [5] - 27:12, brought [6] - 8:10, 15:19, churn [1] - 19:21 Cavalier [1] - 67:20 35:2, 39:23, 54:28, 27:26, 28:22, 29:19, 65:11, 65:17, 81:4, centre [1] - 19:4 CI [1] - 29:8 55:5, 55:6, 68:18, 75:5 80:29 85:27 CID [10] - 18:23, 25:11, certain [4] - 19:7, 50:12, command [1] - 47:27 Conroy [1] - 42:8 Buchanan [44] - 11:18, 25:21, 26:7, 28:5, 29:7, 50:22, 57:16 Command [2] - 28:4, conscious [2] - 63:25, 13:4, 15:13, 19:30, certainly [8] - 3:12, 4:11, 32:30, 53:4, 53:26, 32:30 72:23 20:27, 23:7, 23:17, 53:30 4:17, 8:1, 21:28, 25:8, commander [4] - 35:30, consequently [1] - 30:20
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30 July 2012 - Day 118 4 considerable [1] - 21:9 28:25, 66:20, 75:19 37:4 crucial [4] - 12:26, 53:19, den [1] - 95:24 consideration [2] - 10:2, core [2] - 8:27, 56:1 Cory [32] - 31:12, 32:8, 92:15, 92:18 denial [1] - 10:29 10:10 corner [4] - 12:5, 17:3, 40:6, 40:19, 41:14, current [2] - 26:27, 83:4 denied [5] - 10:19, 10:23, considering [4] - 26:30, 20:30, 50:15 42:20, 42:25, 43:25, custody [1] - 26:29 11:9, 13:23, 41:28 27:17, 29:26, 30:14 correct [40] - 7:9, 7:15, 44:2, 44:10, 45:1, 45:6, cutting [1] - 30:2 Department [3] - 31:15, conspiracy [3] - 8:30, 7:29, 11:26, 14:29, 57:27, 58:18, 58:27, cuttings [1] - 19:11 57:5, 58:26 35:17, 56:2 15:3, 15:4, 16:14, 60:7, 61:11, 63:6, Deputy [2] - 42:6, 42:7 Constable [14] - 10:23, 16:21, 28:30, 29:1, 63:11, 63:29, 64:3, D derogatory [1] - 34:19 11:9, 15:16, 15:23, 42:23, 46:4, 47:15, 64:14, 64:18, 64:30, described [1] - 95:23 D.C [1] - 32:21 18:19, 20:1, 21:4, 48:10, 50:28, 55:13, 65:11, 65:17, 65:28, desirable [1] - 29:25 daily [2] - 7:30, 9:15 21:24, 25:13, 31:15, 57:2, 58:6, 58:24, 65:29, 66:2, 66:18, despite [1] - 58:16 Daily [3] - 17:4, 17:13, 42:7, 47:28, 47:29, 64:13, 64:27, 65:8, 67:8, 67:30 destroying [2] - 24:1, 48:26 65:9, 67:25, 67:26, Cory's [13] - 40:9, 40:13, 17:18 66:12 damage [4] - 16:28, Constables [1] - 19:18 75:7, 75:8, 75:17, 41:5, 44:26, 60:3, 60:8, detail [6] - 22:20, 22:26, Constabulary [1] - 22:5 75:18, 77:28, 79:30, 61:19, 61:24, 63:4, 16:29, 35:12, 85:21 40:22, 51:21, 71:12, constraints [1] - 17:28 86:3, 88:1, 88:15, 89:4, 65:16, 66:17, 66:22, danger [1] - 63:18 86:23 dangers [1] - 30:18 consuming [1] - 23:15 91:16, 91:20, 92:12, 67:1 details [1] - 9:19 [1] date [8] - 2:26, 3:24, contact [11] - 24:5, 24:17, 93:13 cost - 30:9 detained [1] - 77:26 18:17, 27:7, 46:2, 24:20, 34:6, 34:7, correction [2] - 92:1, 96:5 costly [1] - 23:15 detective [2] - 49:4, 85:20 49:17, 64:14, 81:18 45:27, 46:6, 66:18, correctly [2] - 25:20, counsel [5] - 7:3, 89:30, Detective [37] - 2:9, 13:2, 88:22, 88:25, 88:27 47:13 93:8, 93:14, 93:17 dated [26] - 17:13, 17:19, 13:19, 13:20, 13:25, contacted [8] - 12:28, correspondence [2] - Counsel [1] - 75:9 21:1, 22:8, 25:11, 13:26, 13:27, 18:12, 13:12, 20:25, 36:21, 34:15, 42:6 Country [17] - 11:15, 25:15, 25:28, 26:22, 22:6, 22:7, 22:11, 36:26, 41:27, 49:14, Corrigan [133] - 1:6, 2:5, 11:26, 11:28, 12:3, 27:3, 28:3, 29:6, 31:7, 24:17, 25:14, 26:24, 49:16 2:28, 3:1, 3:7, 3:10, 12:9, 17:9, 17:10, 32:13, 33:7, 33:14, 28:4, 29:20, 29:23, contacted.. [1] - 36:20 3:20, 3:24, 4:23, 6:3, 17:11, 17:12, 22:14, 39:13, 42:6, 42:9, 30:1, 30:26, 32:14, 48:22, 48:24, 49:6, contacting [1] - 31:3 6:7, 6:20, 8:26, 9:16, 25:12, 26:23, 28:8, 32:17, 32:19, 33:6, 49:7, 54:19, 55:19, contacts [3] - 20:4, 11:23, 12:19, 13:9, 48:27, 49:24, 51:15, 43:2, 43:5, 49:5, 51:9, 50:11, 50:20 14:13, 16:30, 17:3, 62:19 62:29, 70:1 75:12, 77:7, 77:10, dates [1] - 62:17 contained [7] - 16:18, 17:15, 20:24, 21:27, Country' [4] - 29:14, 78:5, 84:28, 86:1, 91:3, 22:20, 25:18, 28:17, 24:28, 26:6, 26:19, 32:24, 42:28, 44:15 David [1] - 58:12 91:17, 91:19, 92:16 30:5, 32:26, 33:7 27:29, 28:29, 32:9, Country(pages [1] - day' [1] - 12:12 detectives [3] - 85:27, contains [2] - 16:12, 33:13, 33:22, 34:10, 40:21 days [6] - 46:13, 50:2, 86:2, 88:9 33:10 35:13, 38:14, 39:12, County [2] - 18:29, 37:8 50:7, 50:23, 53:15, determine [2] - 1:14, contaminated [1] - 56:17 40:15, 41:4, 44:8, couple [1] - 37:21 65:25 21:22 contemporaneous [1] - 44:26, 45:30, 47:11, coupled [2] - 27:2, 30:23 dead [1] - 16:3 diagrams [1] - 19:2 48:8, 48:20, 49:12, 76:9 course [23] - 4:21, 4:24, deal [15] - 1:18, 2:14, Diary [2] - 41:3, 44:15 52:6, 52:13, 52:16, 2:15, 2:22, 2:25, 2:28, contend [1] - 56:18 5:2, 7:11, 9:25, 14:23, diary [1] - 67:11 52:19, 53:10, 54:2, 3:12, 3:27, 4:25, 5:17, content [7] - 22:13, 25:4, 15:30, 18:20, 19:14, different [2] - 9:26, 70:5 57:27, 58:25, 59:13, 17:26, 29:16, 40:22, 25:24, 28:20, 64:16, 20:4, 31:12, 40:1, differently [1] - 70:20 59:28, 60:23, 60:24, 49:28, 75:11 83:26, 83:30 45:16, 47:7, 48:21, difficult [1] - 3:14 60:25, 61:2, 61:9, 62:1, dealing [5] - 2:20, 16:6, contentious [1] - 29:22 49:22, 63:3, 65:12, difficulties [1] - 21:14 63:1, 64:2, 64:26, 66:8, 71:27, 86:17, 86:22, 35:3, 35:24, 47:18 contents [1] - 85:19 difficulty [2] - 7:1, 12:8 66:16, 68:15, 68:23, 92:26, 96:13 dealt [4] - 4:15, 5:10, context [3] - 43:11, Dillon [5] - 2:18, 5:11, 70:9, 71:15, 71:24, 37:20, 56:19 93:27, 96:23 courts [1] - 23:27 6:6, 19:8, 77:27 72:9, 72:24, 72:26, cover [1] - 31:10 Dear [1] - 17:21 continue [4] - 1:7, 8:3, DILLON [5] - 1:5, 3:6, 73:5, 73:9, 73:13, deaths [3] - 15:14, 15:23, 25:29, 73:1 coverage [3] - 10:7, 3:20, 6:17, 73:5 75:29, 76:19, 76:27, 83:11, 83:13 19:28 continued [2] - 39:9, direct [5] - 18:7, 30:8, 77:7, 77:10, 77:21, decades [1] - 63:19 87:29 covers [1] - 70:15 70:20, 70:25, 70:28 78:17, 78:19, 78:23, crack [1] - 20:12 deceased [1] - 54:10 CONTINUED [1] - 74:1 directed [1] - 28:27 78:28, 78:29, 79:14, Cramphorn [1] - 42:7 December [3] - 47:3, continues [3] - 14:2, direction [5] - 18:23, 81:21, 81:23, 81:26, 67:21, 87:12 42:25, 64:6 creaming [1] - 14:10 22:15, 24:24, 27:7, 33:7 82:4, 82:6, 82:15, decide [2] - 30:30, 60:6 contradiction [1] - 21:16 Crime [5] - 21:5, 23:3, directly [1] - 29:28 82:18, 82:20, 82:22, decided [1] - 45:22 contrary [1] - 13:10 25:13, 32:17, 48:26 84:28, 84:30, 85:4, disclose [3] - 3:9, 34:5, crime [2] - 21:13, 32:16 decision [3] - 4:7, 57:11, controversial [3] - 57:28, 85:6, 85:12, 86:16, 44:20 cross [4] - 1:22, 15:26, 63:25 58:28, 60:6 86:20, 86:23, 86:24, disclosing [1] - 2:17 71:28, 95:14 declined [1] - 42:26 conversation [9] - 24:13, 86:26, 86:30, 87:6, disclosure [3] - 3:28, CROSS [3] - 84:23, deemed [1] - 23:26 69:10, 69:16, 76:18, 87:11, 87:22, 87:25, 3:29, 25:30 92:28, 95:20 Defence [1] - 18:2 76:28, 78:9, 83:20, 88:10, 88:16, 88:22, discontinue [1] - 73:2 cross-border [1] - 15:26 definitely [6] - 85:23, 84:4, 94:13 88:29, 89:4, 89:6, 89:7, discretion [1] - 18:21 cross-examination [2] - 85:24, 85:25, 93:10, conversations [4] - 83:1, 89:8, 90:25, 91:5, discuss [5] - 18:10, 1:22, 71:28 94:8, 95:3 83:27, 83:30, 84:5 91:30, 92:5, 93:4, 93:9, 41:21, 76:25, 81:9, cross-examine [1] - deflect [1] - 8:30 convey [1] - 43:2 93:21, 93:23, 95:9, 87:13 95:14 degree [1] - 84:1 Cooley [1] - 15:27 95:23, 97:20 discussed [10] - 28:27, CROSS-EXAMINED [3] - degrees [1] - 63:19 copied [1] - 33:1 CORRIGAN [1] - 6:1 76:20, 76:21, 76:29, 84:23, 92:28, 95:20 delivered [2] - 60:13, 64:7 copies [1] - 49:7 Corrigan's [3] - 78:2, 77:9, 77:15, 77:18, Crossmaglen [3] - 19:19, demanded [1] - 44:25 copy [8] - 6:11, 6:13, 78:5, 85:17 77:21, 83:16, 92:3 19:24, 19:26 demonstrates [1] - 67:11 6:17, 27:15, 28:13, corroboration [2] - 36:30, discussing [3] - 18:15,
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20:15, 66:10 51:22, 51:28, 51:30, 20:11, 32:12, 49:2, 81:18, 85:1, 86:23, 16:20, 38:12, 39:26, discussion [3] - 14:21, 52:6, 54:28, 55:6, 50:11, 50:21, 61:23 94:12 44:24, 56:27, 59:20, 77:23, 82:3 60:25, 60:28, 61:4, engagements [1] - 4:11 examination [4] - 1:7, 80:11, 81:19, 93:3, discussions [10] - 77:24, 62:2, 65:24, 67:14, engaging [1] - 46:18 1:22, 2:5, 71:28 96:23 78:1, 78:4, 80:3, 80:6, 67:15, 67:18, 75:27, enlisted [1] - 60:16 examine [2] - 1:8, 95:14 families [7] - 15:12, 82:21, 82:26, 83:6, 84:29, 85:21, 86:1, entitled [9] - 12:4, 17:14, examined [1] - 75:9 15:18, 24:21, 25:2, 83:14, 83:21 87:7, 87:14, 88:15, 28:7, 29:13, 31:6, 31:8, EXAMINED [6] - 6:1, 30:15, 31:3, 48:19 display [1] - 68:4 88:17, 91:3, 91:17, 67:5, 95:12, 95:14 75:1, 84:23, 92:28, families' [1] - 26:16 distribution [1] - 26:30 91:19, 92:2, 92:3, entry [1] - 36:18 95:20, 97:9 family [12] - 15:25, 24:16, Division [2] - 22:6, 26:24 92:16, 94:22, 94:23, envisaged [1] - 4:15 example [3] - 19:8, 67:12, 24:19, 25:7, 25:30, Doak [1] - 15:24 94:29, 95:24, 95:27 escaped [1] - 86:27 86:13 27:14, 28:9, 30:3, document [31] - 9:16, Durack [1] - 1:21 especially [2] - 8:16, 8:18 except [1] - 41:26 44:24, 58:7, 58:10 9:19, 17:1, 17:2, 17:8, DURACK [1] - 1:28 established [3] - 26:28, exception [2] - 51:8, 58:2 far [7] - 11:23, 16:30, 17:14, 21:1, 22:4, 22:6, during [17] - 1:13, 1:15, 27:22, 57:15 excerpt [1] - 60:3 77:11, 79:10, 95:28, 25:10, 26:22, 28:3, 11:20, 14:28, 15:21, et [3] - 18:28, 19:11, 43:1 exigency [1] - 8:23 96:6, 96:8 29:6, 31:6, 34:25, 15:26, 16:24, 17:23, etc [1] - 92:2 exist [1] - 30:19 farmer [1] - 15:27 48:22, 54:15, 54:16, 24:12, 66:18, 81:17, evening [2] - 11:10, 46:29 exists [4] - 31:24, 42:14, fashion [1] - 52:28 58:30, 59:3, 62:27, 85:17, 85:20, 87:7, event [3] - 8:11, 8:12, 42:21, 49:10 fast [1] - 39:23 65:3, 68:29, 69:3, 87:23, 94:23, 96:13 97:4 expect [1] - 92:12 favour [1] - 14:9 70:15, 85:9, 85:11, duty [1] - 27:11 events [11] - 6:21, 6:30, expected [1] - 41:20 fax [1] - 31:10 94:15 7:1, 7:4, 7:27, 13:1, expeditiously [2] - 22:30, faxed [1] - 31:10 documentation [9] - E 37:26, 80:14, 80:18, 27:20 fears [1] - 27:15 16:18, 16:21, 16:24, 90:15, 97:20 expenditure [1] - 30:12 feature [1] - 9:11 e-mail [7] - 62:29, 62:30, 42:15, 42:21, 49:10, events' [1] - 42:29 experience [3] - 18:21, February [5] - 17:13, 63:8, 63:12, 64:2, 49:15, 54:22, 65:8 evidence [107] - 1:25, 20:6, 90:23 17:20, 20:24, 67:15, 64:10, 64:27 documents [2] - 32:12, 1:28, 2:10, 2:14, 2:15, explain [1] - 65:13 87:13 e.g [1] - 18:26 34:22 3:2, 3:8, 3:22, 3:23, 4:9, explained [1] - 24:8 fell [1] - 14:9 early [7] - 7:28, 24:8, dogmatic [1] - 43:19 4:12, 4:14, 4:21, 4:24, explaining [1] - 34:7 fellow [2] - 75:28, 97:23 29:19, 35:5, 48:8, Donaldson [12] - 19:18, 4:30, 5:14, 6:4, 8:27, felt [5] - 50:10, 50:11, 48:13, 63:24 explanation [3] - 5:6, 46:1, 46:3, 46:10, 13:21, 34:21, 35:18, 5:10, 5:12 50:20, 50:21, 68:6 easy [1] - 68:13 46:11, 46:23, 46:24, 37:11, 37:22, 39:24, explosives [1] - 19:3 female [3] - 31:27, 59:23, 46:30, 47:4, 47:14, Edenappa [1] - 32:2 39:28, 40:5, 42:14, expose [1] - 46:23 59:24 48:14, 55:23 editing [1] - 43:10 42:21, 44:4, 45:13, exposure [1] - 46:20 few [3] - 8:1, 37:15, 40:28 edition [3] - 15:5, 17:9, donaldson [1] - 47:1 46:9, 46:11, 46:30, file [5] - 16:19, 34:16, 17:12 express [6] - 82:5, 90:27, done [6] - 26:16, 30:4, 49:6, 49:10, 49:13, 90:29, 91:1, 91:9, 91:12 45:25, 59:1, 62:27 30:6, 72:30, 76:22, editions [1] - 29:3 49:15, 51:21, 51:24, expressed [2] - 75:28, filed [2] - 65:6, 65:7 effect [5] - 2:30, 13:17, 95:15 52:7, 52:9, 52:12, files [5] - 19:7, 19:9, 43:6, 49:12, 56:25 76:10 Donnelly's [1] - 19:22 53:12, 53:16, 53:20, expressing [7] - 50:24, 19:15, 21:14, 69:4 effected [1] - 29:19 dormant [1] - 14:20 53:21, 53:24, 54:22, 52:5, 81:2, 81:5, 81:6, final [1] - 95:18 effectively [3] - 8:30, dossier [2] - 65:28, 66:6 54:24, 60:13, 61:14, 81:8 finalised [1] - 4:17 11:21, 12:9 [11] 66:4, 66:5, 66:12, doubt - 9:2, 27:24, extensive [2] - 26:30, finally [2] - 3:11, 44:8 efficient [1] - 5:8 30:20, 30:27, 33:25, 70:11, 70:19, 70:20, 47:10 financial [1] - 3:27 34:24, 49:5, 56:8, efforts [1] - 4:14 70:26, 70:28, 71:1, extent [2] - 4:22, 29:3 Finbarr [11] - 75:29, 72:13, 86:27, 94:30 either [2] - 70:12, 96:20 71:2, 71:4, 71:14, extract [1] - 23:8 76:18, 80:9, 80:15, down [10] - 13:30, 41:14, elaborated [1] - 51:12 71:18, 75:5, 75:11, extremely [2] - 8:8, 17:24 80:20, 80:28, 81:3, element [1] - 35:20 51:4, 54:9, 54:28, 55:5, 75:14, 75:21, 78:14, 81:10, 81:12, 81:13, elements [1] - 56:18 67:28, 68:20, 81:28, 80:12, 81:22, 82:23, 82:15 eleven [5] - 49:25, 51:2, 83:28, 85:6, 85:17, F 88:6 fine [1] - 56:20 51:12, 53:23, 65:25 85:18, 86:18, 87:13, draft [1] - 20:10 face [2] - 93:10, 94:7 finish [1] - 73:9 eleven-and-a-half [3] - 87:21, 87:27, 89:22, dragged [2] - 58:8 faced [1] - 23:30 Finucane [11] - 30:9, 49:25, 51:12, 53:23 dramatic [1] - 46:21 89:23, 90:25, 91:30, faces [1] - 63:22 36:11, 55:28, 56:29, elicit [1] - 1:11 draw [1] - 16:7 92:6, 93:3, 93:22, 94:7, facilitate [1] - 21:29 57:24, 58:3, 58:6, 58:9, elsewhere [1] - 65:16 94:20, 94:27, 95:8, drawing [1] - 18:21 facilitated [1] - 44:17 58:10, 58:20, 58:23 emanated [2] - 23:20, 95:11, 96:6, 96:9, drive [1] - 11:3 fact [18] - 2:25, 13:5, Finucane's [1] - 58:7 25:19 96:12, 96:13, 96:14, driving [1] - 67:28 16:23, 23:27, 38:29, firm [1] - 21:10 emanates [2] - 59:1, 65:3 96:15, 96:18, 96:19, Drogheda [2] - 46:28, 44:21, 46:11, 58:16, first [23] - 4:6, 9:2, 10:15, emanating [1] - 35:1 96:23, 96:24, 97:2 77:12 62:19, 66:9, 68:11, 12:1, 12:6, 12:23, 15:1, emerged [1] - 15:19 evidences [1] - 49:11 drove [1] - 67:19 69:12, 70:19, 80:9, 20:10, 35:29, 37:26, evident [1] - 30:19 Dublin [1] - 16:4 emphasis [1] - 16:26 81:9, 82:10, 82:11, 48:12, 48:28, 50:6, evidently [1] - 72:30 due [3] - 5:2, 22:27, 30:21 emphasise [1] - 30:10 91:16 52:29, 54:27, 58:17, ex [2] - 32:19, 44:5 Duffy [1] - 84:10 emphasising [1] - 34:7 factor [1] - 23:24 71:6, 77:2, 79:7, 82:21, dumps [1] - 15:29 en [1] - 46:16 ex-Detective [1] - 32:19 factors [2] - 30:22, 30:27 82:24, 93:3, 96:4 ex-garda [1] - 44:5 Dundalk [52] - 1:24, 7:21, enabled [1] - 32:1 facts [1] - 45:8 firstly [3] - 22:15, 23:11, 9:13, 11:3, 12:7, 12:12, encourage [2] - 34:17, exacerbated [1] - 15:14 fade [1] - 10:5 29:16 12:29, 13:12, 31:28, 45:27 exact [3] - 80:7, 80:13, fair [3] - 39:27, 72:16, fitting [1] - 30:24 94:12 36:21, 36:26, 39:6, encouraged [2] - 16:27, 83:22 five [8] - 7:14, 49:21, 42:2, 46:26, 46:28, 45:26 exactly [9] - 22:16, 71:11, fairly [2] - 69:18, 70:3 49:29, 56:23, 66:9, 49:14, 50:28, 51:10, end [9] - 2:7, 4:29, 14:1, 78:7, 78:9, 79:25, fairness [12] - 5:12, 7:16, 67:14, 67:15, 75:15
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30 July 2012 - Day 118 6 five-page [2] - 49:21, 62:23, 63:3, 63:7, 34:26, 35:18, 38:18, 32:25, 32:29, 33:12, hijacking [1] - 37:8 49:29 63:15, 63:27, 64:8, 46:11, 47:20, 51:24, 33:14, 33:18, 33:28, himself [2] - 39:2, 39:8 Flanagan [4] - 15:16, 64:11, 65:1 53:17, 53:24, 60:13, 33:30, 34:11, 34:22, historical [3] - 17:26, 47:19, 47:27 Fulton's [2] - 63:17, 66:4, 66:5, 68:7, 70:25, 34:26, 36:17, 37:3, 19:7, 76:12 Flynn [1] - 51:30 63:29 75:11, 80:15, 83:11, 37:16, 37:27, 37:28, HMG [12] - 9:19, 17:2, focus [2] - 57:15, 83:11 funny [1] - 9:11 89:24, 90:25, 91:30, 38:5, 38:17, 38:22, 17:14, 21:4, 22:5, 31:6, follow [2] - 9:21, 59:29 furious [1] - 39:23 93:22, 94:27, 95:9, 38:25, 39:2, 39:9, 59:1, 62:27, 62:28, following [17] - 2:12, furnish [1] - 23:12 96:6, 96:9, 96:12, 39:17, 40:7, 40:22, 63:8, 65:4, 69:4 8:13, 11:10, 15:6, FURTHER [1] - 95:20 96:16, 97:20 40:25, 41:17, 41:25, hold [1] - 41:16 15:11, 18:9, 22:12, furthering [2] - 27:23, Gough [3] - 28:5, 32:16, 42:26, 42:30, 43:5, holiday [1] - 3:14 26:25, 31:17, 36:18, 30:28 32:30 43:7, 43:11, 43:17, home [2] - 6:11, 8:17 43:25, 47:4, 49:3, furthermore [3] - 23:25, Government [5] - 35:24, 44:11, 44:27, 44:29, honesty [1] - 40:3 53:15, 53:20, 60:10, 30:21, 49:17 46:19, 58:15, 60:6, 65:4 45:3, 45:10, 45:15, hope [6] - 15:18, 20:10, 62:20 futile [1] - 25:27 Governments [4] - 35:23, 45:17, 45:23, 45:27, 20:14, 58:11, 73:9, 94:2 FOLLOWS [8] - 1:1, 6:1, future [2] - 2:26, 57:15 57:11, 57:14, 57:19 48:10, 55:10, 62:5, hoped [1] - 21:8 74:1, 75:2, 84:23, grade [2] - 23:18, 96:8 62:7, 62:23 hopefully [1] - 1:16 Harnden's [10] - 15:5, 92:28, 95:21, 97:9 G grading [7] - 2:17, 3:4, hopes [1] - 29:24 22:1, 23:26, 29:4, 30:5, follows [2] - 31:13, 60:14 94:16, 96:15, 96:22, horrendous [1] - 68:1 garda [28] - 10:3, 10:16, 32:24, 36:22, 43:28, foot [1] - 55:9 96:26, 97:5 horrific [3] - 8:10, 8:12, 10:20, 11:22, 12:15, 47:2, 62:9 FOR [1] - 73:18 grateful [1] - 17:24 35:25 12:30, 13:15, 14:4, Harry [5] - 15:12, 19:30, force [1] - 18:27 grave [1] - 57:17 hospital [20] - 77:26, 16:7, 37:11, 41:18, 49:26, 51:6, 57:23 forces [4] - 36:7, 47:7, great [2] - 40:22, 89:26 78:17, 78:21, 78:23, 41:29, 42:2, 42:11, 57:18, 85:14 greatest [1] - 56:25 Harvey [1] - 19:24 79:4, 79:6, 79:18, 42:15, 43:27, 44:5, Foreign [2] - 57:6, 58:26 greatly [2] - 27:23, 56:22 has/will [1] - 30:6 88:19, 88:24, 88:26, 44:16, 44:17, 62:10, forget [1] - 90:19 grew [1] - 10:26 has/would [1] - 28:16 89:19, 89:27, 90:1, 62:21, 66:6, 66:24, forgot [1] - 20:20 ground [1] - 86:9 hassle [2] - 91:2, 91:18 90:3, 90:9, 90:10, 67:6, 67:10, 70:12, Forkhill [1] - 19:21 grounds [2] - 63:27, haste [1] - 34:18 90:11, 93:9, 93:22, 94:1 72:19, 97:13 form [2] - 12:9, 52:28 96:21 HAVING [1] - 75:1 hours [2] - 7:14, 70:7 Garda [53] - 1:24, 8:29, former [7] - 7:5, 12:19, groups [1] - 8:6 hazard [1] - 35:9 House [2] - 46:1, 46:25 13:3, 13:26, 14:6, 14:8, 13:2, 20:5, 42:27, guard [8] - 13:4, 43:13, Head [5] - 17:19, 25:11, house [4] - 66:10, 66:13, 14:27, 15:9, 15:10, 75:26, 93:30 46:3, 65:26, 90:26, 26:7, 29:7, 29:8 71:7, 71:30 15:15, 15:20, 15:22, forthwith [1] - 30:17 97:15, 97:18, 97:23 head [3] - 18:12, 18:21, housekeeping [1] - 4:28 15:29, 16:1, 16:3, 16:5, forward [9] - 15:8, 24:24, guard' [1] - 43:6 35:27 houses [2] - 15:28, 65:30 16:12, 31:8, 31:28, 28:25, 33:1, 33:8, guards [4] - 39:5, 48:4, headlines [2] - 9:24, hundred [1] - 94:28 32:5, 33:25, 33:29, 43:12, 43:22, 44:21, 87:28, 92:16 46:28 hundreds [1] - 22:21 36:21, 36:26, 38:30, 59:14 guess [1] - 35:9 Headquarters [3] - 25:21, Hurst [3] - 70:25, 71:18 41:26, 41:27, 42:2, forwarded [4] - 28:15, gun [1] - 35:22 26:10, 32:21 42:27, 43:4, 43:16, hypothesis [3] - 44:18, 29:12, 29:29, 33:4 guy [3] - 37:5, 47:24, hear [7] - 46:24, 59:25, 43:19, 49:11, 49:16, 44:22, 45:2 founded [1] - 44:22 68:22 87:6, 87:24, 90:7, 50:11, 50:12, 50:21, hypothesise [1] - 40:25 fountains [1] - 51:16 92:10, 92:12 50:22, 50:25, 51:8, heard [12] - 7:8, 46:26, four [8] - 7:14, 19:20, 51:22, 51:30, 56:11, H I 19:27, 43:22, 47:9, 70:26, 85:6, 85:9, 60:23, 61:1, 65:24, half [5] - 11:20, 16:11, 50:6, 67:17, 94:28 85:19, 87:21, 91:24, I.. [1] - 97:14 81:4, 87:22, 92:8, 93:8 49:25, 51:12, 53:23 fourth [2] - 41:2, 41:7 91:25, 91:26, 97:13 Ian [1] - 19:19 gardaí [2] - 62:10, 97:23 Hall [1] - 19:21 frankly [1] - 21:8 hearing [2] - 7:18, 96:22 idea [7] - 78:12, 79:14, Gardaí [10] - 9:7, 9:28, Hamill [2] - 55:29, 57:25 hearings [1] - 83:12 82:9, 82:10, 82:11, Frazer [10] - 46:10, 46:12, 10:30, 15:26, 15:29, hand [10] - 12:5, 17:3, heinous [1] - 7:26 82:29 48:14, 60:12, 61:13, 40:24, 41:30, 42:5, 20:30, 33:19, 39:8, held [3] - 31:20, 32:30, ideas [2] - 18:9, 18:15 61:15, 65:18, 65:24, 42:8, 82:1 66:2, 66:5 40:16, 41:9, 41:10, 33:3 identifiable [1] - 67:22 gathered [1] - 19:10 50:15, 75:19 frequency [3] - 67:11, help [4] - 18:6, 18:26, identified [5] - 12:16, general [10] - 8:29, 10:4, handed [2] - 6:18, 12:2 19:2, 21:19 14:15, 54:11, 65:15, 67:30, 68:12 14:16, 22:13, 38:27, handlers [1] - 71:30 helped [1] - 71:9 67:30 frequently [3] - 46:27, 80:2, 82:3, 83:1, 83:20, Hanna [1] - 15:25 helpful [1] - 1:10 identifies [1] - 60:4 67:10, 75:28 84:2 harbour [1] - 27:15 friend [5] - 60:12, 61:17, helping [1] - 85:12 identify [7] - 38:28, generally [3] - 10:9, hard [1] - 43:29 Hi [1] - 63:13 42:26, 50:27, 50:28, 63:7, 71:8 84:10, 87:16 Harden [1] - 43:20 Friend [2] - 93:21, 94:14 Hickey [15] - 75:29, 54:10, 68:9, 96:26 generate [1] - 48:17 harnden [2] - 30:30, 39:7 friendly [2] - 88:13, 89:7 76:18, 79:27, 80:9, identity [5] - 24:2, 31:14, genesis [1] - 12:10 Harnden [78] - 12:21, friends [2] - 89:3, 89:6 80:15, 80:18, 80:21, 59:23, 63:9, 67:27 gentlemen [1] - 80:2 12:26, 13:10, 13:14, FRU [1] - 71:19 80:28, 81:3, 81:10, immediate [2] - 9:5, genuine [1] - 48:18 13:22, 13:27, 14:2, frustrate [1] - 27:16 81:12, 81:13, 81:20, 63:18 George [1] - 51:30 16:11, 16:15, 17:18, 82:6, 82:15 [1] full [1] - 16:17 immediately - 27:4 Geraldine [1] - 58:9 20:18, 20:25, 21:29, Hickey's [1] - 80:18 [1] fully [3] - 23:22, 64:16, immensely - 18:24 Gibson [5] - 15:25, 19:28, 22:15, 23:11, 23:23, 94:24 high [2] - 27:1, 67:24 impartial [1] - 39:27 57:25, 61:7, 69:15 23:30, 24:5, 24:22, Fulton [22] - 35:28, 46:22, High [1] - 31:11 impinge [1] - 23:24 Gibsons' [1] - 41:19 24:28, 25:20, 26:8, 47:5, 47:12, 47:13, higher [3] - 47:26, 47:29, implied [1] - 69:14 given [36] - 3:2, 3:23, 27:6, 27:11, 27:16, 47:21, 47:26, 60:1, 88:6 implies [1] - 77:14 5:11, 5:12, 10:2, 10:10, 27:20, 27:26, 28:7, 60:9, 60:11, 61:10, highlighted) [1] - 23:8 importance [2] - 34:7, 13:21, 17:30, 32:15, 29:14, 30:17, 32:20, 61:24, 62:13, 62:14, highly [1] - 46:17 68:29
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Smithwick Tribunal - 30 July 2012 - Day 118 7 important [4] - 23:25, 81:29, 87:15, 87:22, interrogated [2] - 97:14, 68:3 keen [3] - 20:12, 21:19, 35:11, 48:22, 52:12 87:28, 88:3, 92:10, 97:21 issue [4] - 3:10, 28:23, 72:26 importantly [1] - 23:19 96:17, 97:22 interview [16] - 18:12, 29:28, 47:1 keep [1] - 86:8 inadvertent [1] - 18:4 information' [1] - 24:14 18:19, 23:11, 26:3, issued [3] - 10:28, 57:6, keeping [1] - 85:12 incidences [3] - 77:8, informed [8] - 2:13, 2:19, 27:25, 29:18, 29:24, 58:25 Kennedy [1] - 7:6 77:9 2:23, 2:24, 13:21, 32:21, 32:28, 33:11, issues [8] - 4:14, 5:8, Kenneth [1] - 20:2 incident [17] - 76:26, 24:21, 48:10, 85:13 33:14, 33:18, 34:18, 18:15, 22:29, 27:24, kept [1] - 42:1 77:8, 77:11, 77:14, initial [2] - 21:22, 24:9 34:26, 36:17, 40:24 28:11, 29:22, 32:22 Kevin [10] - 29:17, 30:6, 77:17, 77:18, 77:20, initiated [1] - 46:22 interviewed [5] - 24:2, issuing [2] - 10:14, 47:17 39:12, 47:12, 59:30, 79:28, 79:29, 80:1, initiating [1] - 58:16 24:11, 26:4, 32:20, 37:2 it' [1] - 43:20 60:9, 60:11, 61:10, 80:30, 82:4, 82:9, injured [3] - 90:1, 94:1, interviewers [1] - 33:29 63:7, 63:15 82:24, 82:26, 83:2, 83:3 94:5 interviewing [2] - 30:18, J key [1] - 20:20 incidents [9] - 19:5, 19:7, inquiries [12] - 24:9, 32:25 kidnap [1] - 91:28 January [3] - 26:22, 19:17, 20:7, 76:21, 27:17, 30:10, 30:28, interviews [2] - 30:17, kidnapped [16] - 77:12, 67:12, 67:13 76:25, 77:8, 77:15, 83:3 43:29, 47:10, 55:28, 38:7 77:25, 78:11, 78:13, Jeffrey [3] - 46:1, 46:24, include [3] - 1:22, 55:18, 57:1, 57:12, 58:1, 92:6 introduced [1] - 60:24 78:20, 78:29, 79:13, 48:13 60:4 inquiry [25] - 12:10, investigate [3] - 25:29, 79:14, 89:29, 90:8, Jim [4] - 1:9, 65:24, 74:4, including [4] - 22:24, 15:17, 22:22, 23:25, 58:28, 60:6 91:17, 97:13, 97:15, 75:27 25:24, 51:19, 58:10 24:3, 27:5, 27:12, investigated [1] - 22:29 97:18, 97:21 JIM [1] - 75:1 inconvenience [1] - 4:7 28:24, 30:23, 31:13, investigating [3] - 28:6, kidnapping [10] - 76:26, job [1] - 63:22 increasing [1] - 63:17 53:15, 55:21, 55:24, 68:8, 81:16 78:2, 78:5, 79:4, 82:4, incumbent [1] - 30:15 56:4, 56:6, 56:10, 58:3, investigation [5] - 24:22, John [1] - 51:27 82:22, 83:2, 88:20, incurred [1] - 30:12 58:5, 58:7, 58:12, 25:27, 57:22, 78:26, Jonesboro [1] - 32:2 92:15, 93:4 indeed [12] - 2:18, 3:10, 58:13, 58:19, 61:24, 81:17 journalist [2] - 21:15, killed [2] - 69:13, 71:8 6:7, 7:28, 11:30, 25:24, 64:19, 66:18 investigations [5] - 28:19 Killeen [2] - 15:25, 19:27 30:7, 48:18, 49:14, Inquiry [7] - 23:30, 24:7, 22:22, 25:22, 30:12, journalistic [2] - 23:23, killing [2] - 36:11, 55:28 27:16 51:28, 51:30, 59:21 27:8, 56:28, 58:22, 30:25, 44:14 killings [3] - 15:17, 38:23, index [1] - 67:3 68:29, 68:30 investigative [1] - 23:10 journalists [2] - 9:14, 53:23 30:18 indicate [4] - 1:11, 44:15, inside [1] - 10:27 invited [3] - 16:27, 34:15, kin [2] - 27:18, 30:24 judge [2] - 57:20, 58:14 81:19, 81:21 insofar [1] - 45:1 34:16 kind [1] - 47:24 Judge [49] - 31:12, 32:7, indicated [9] - 2:8, 2:12, Inspector [19] - 13:2, involved [16] - 13:6, 14:8, Kingsmills [1] - 19:23 40:6, 40:9, 40:13, 24:10, 27:14, 28:21, 13:20, 13:26, 13:27, 20:7, 29:26, 30:22, Kirwan [2] - 54:26, 55:8 40:19, 41:5, 41:14, 29:20, 78:16, 79:27, 22:6, 22:11, 24:17, 30:27, 46:3, 69:17, Knacknagoney [1] - 29:9 42:20, 42:25, 43:25, 81:20 25:14, 26:24, 28:4, 69:23, 69:24, 70:12, knit [2] - 88:12, 88:14 44:2, 44:10, 44:26, indicates [5] - 42:15, 29:21, 29:24, 30:1, 70:21, 76:21, 77:18, knowledge [3] - 51:16, 45:1, 45:6, 57:27, 57:11, 66:1, 69:5, 75:26 30:26, 32:17, 42:26, 82:24, 82:27 63:18, 69:17 58:18, 58:27, 60:3, indication [1] - 59:30 43:2, 43:5 involvement [1] - 80:5 knowledgeable [1] - 60:7, 60:8, 61:11, indictment [1] - 21:20 inspired.. [1] - 59:10 iota [1] - 70:14 49:26 61:19, 61:24, 63:4, indirect [2] - 71:2, 71:13 instead [1] - 52:20 IRA [51] - 8:7, 10:27, 11:2, known [9] - 14:7, 61:24, 63:6, 63:11, 63:29, individual [7] - 47:21, instructing [1] - 4:10 12:17, 12:28, 12:30, 61:25, 78:27, 78:28, 64:3, 64:14, 64:18, 47:26, 54:9, 54:10, Instrument [2] - 68:24, 13:11, 13:16, 14:5, 80:20, 80:23, 81:26, 64:30, 65:11, 65:17, 60:22, 60:23, 83:28 68:28 14:8, 14:9, 15:20, 87:2 65:28, 65:29, 66:2, individuals [4] - 7:4, intelligence [42] - 12:30, 15:28, 16:4, 16:8, 66:16, 66:18, 66:22, 36:11, 77:1, 77:6 13:15, 13:17, 31:19, 16:29, 17:23, 19:20, 66:30, 67:8, 67:30, L inference [1] - 72:12 31:23, 31:26, 32:4, 21:21, 22:14, 28:8, 76:15, 78:8, 79:24, Information [2] - 17:19, 32:7, 41:18, 41:21, 34:20, 36:19, 36:20, L.. [1] - 42:26 81:25, 84:2 21:5 41:28, 42:4, 42:11, 36:26, 38:26, 41:19, lack [1] - 1:12 JULY [1] - 1:1 information [71] - 10:27, 43:9, 60:17, 62:20, 41:26, 41:27, 41:29, Lady [4] - 15:25, 19:28, July [4] - 31:11, 32:13, 12:21, 12:27, 13:11, 63:21, 63:26, 69:5, 42:12, 43:4, 44:5, 57:25, 61:7 33:7, 57:8 14:25, 15:28, 16:6, 69:8, 69:9, 69:19, 49:16, 49:25, 60:19, LANE [1] - 75:1 June [5] - 15:17, 53:16, 16:12, 16:15, 16:18, 69:21, 69:27, 69:29, 60:21, 60:26, 60:30, Lane [21] - 1:9, 74:5, 75:7, 78:15, 80:12 17:30, 19:2, 19:10, 70:1, 70:3, 70:5, 70:7, 61:2, 62:1, 62:11, 75:4, 75:23, 75:27, jurisdiction [1] - 26:5 19:12, 19:14, 20:5, 70:10, 70:15, 72:18, 62:21, 68:13, 68:20, 76:3, 77:2, 84:16, jurisdictions [2] - 57:19, 20:26, 21:9, 21:29, 75:15, 75:16, 75:26, 80:29, 82:7, 82:13, 84:25, 85:7, 86:6, 23:6, 23:12, 23:16, 76:5, 76:6, 76:14, 82:30, 97:22 57:21 87:27, 88:1, 88:8, 23:19, 23:28, 24:10, 76:16, 85:11, 94:15, Ireland [15] - 7:27, 9:1, Justice [5] - 15:24, 19:28, 88:15, 88:29, 90:13, 24:24, 26:9, 28:17, 97:1 10:15, 24:6, 24:12, 57:24, 61:7, 69:15 92:30, 95:23, 97:12 28:26, 30:4, 33:8, intended [2] - 2:9, 43:2 29:25, 48:18, 55:27, justifiably [1] - 31:3 large [1] - 29:2 33:29, 34:4, 34:12, intention [2] - 4:18, 24:6 56:3, 56:5, 57:5, 59:3, justify [1] - 44:1 last [26] - 2:6, 2:7, 4:12, 36:19, 36:25, 37:11, interest [2] - 48:17, 48:18 63:24, 67:11, 75:13 5:7, 5:14, 7:3, 10:25, 38:18, 39:3, 39:4, 39:8, interested [3] - 19:17, Irish [10] - 10:18, 10:24, K 12:13, 12:25, 44:8, 39:10, 41:23, 41:25, 36:2, 47:1 10:26, 15:19, 28:14, 44:9, 47:3, 49:2, 50:6, Keady [1] - 19:20 41:29, 42:18, 43:3, interesting [2] - 23:29, 29:17, 35:24, 39:14, 58:9, 59:7, 59:9, 59:18, Keeley [16] - 7:3, 35:2, 43:8, 43:29, 43:30, 62:27 55:19, 85:28 59:21, 61:28, 64:1, 46:10, 46:12, 46:17, 44:5, 44:19, 45:14, internal [7] - 15:16, 21:1, Irishman's [2] - 41:3, 75:12, 75:14, 76:17, 47:13, 48:12, 61:25, 45:17, 45:19, 60:26, 22:5, 25:10, 28:3, 44:15 83:11, 94:7 65:11, 65:17, 66:11, 63:28, 71:20, 71:29, 32:12, 59:2 irrespective [1] - 6:28 late [4] - 25:2, 48:24, 70:24, 70:27, 71:6, 72:4, 72:5, 77:3, 80:27, international [1] - 57:20 irresponsible [2] - 68:2, 60:21, 67:24 71:14, 71:26
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30 July 2012 - Day 118 8 laundering [1] - 14:9 65:6, 69:3, 70:10, 27:18, 27:20, 34:8, 10:1, 10:6, 17:22, 23:3, mounted' [1] - 40:27 Laverty [1] - 75:9 71:12, 91:27 35:27, 36:4, 47:18, 32:24, 37:10, 41:26, move [2] - 43:22, 59:13 lead [2] - 65:10, 85:20 looked [1] - 14:2 72:10, 72:12, 72:13, 49:22, 52:8, 53:22, moved [1] - 16:5 leader [1] - 55:20 looking [2] - 1:21, 20:25 75:11, 82:17, 97:4 65:16, 68:17, 84:11 movement [1] - 63:21 leading [1] - 9:7 looks [1] - 4:28 matters [18] - 2:11, 3:27, merely [1] - 45:8 movements [1] - 44:6 leak [3] - 13:3, 43:6, Lord [12] - 15:24, 19:28, 3:30, 6:26, 6:27, 22:21, Messrs [1] - 40:23 moving [1] - 87:11 43:13 57:24, 61:6, 69:15, 23:12, 24:21, 27:26, met [7] - 46:11, 58:12, MR [42] - 1:5, 1:28, 2:4, least [5] - 15:23, 20:14, 79:11, 85:23, 86:15, 27:29, 28:6, 29:19, 64:14, 65:14, 65:29, 3:6, 3:20, 4:6, 5:5, 6:1, 34:18, 40:3, 91:18 87:16, 87:30, 90:30, 29:26, 32:26, 44:21, 66:2, 67:10 6:3, 6:17, 6:20, 17:8, leave [9] - 4:9, 18:20, 97:24 87:14, 96:4, 97:11 Metropolitan [1] - 32:20 72:9, 72:16, 72:23, 30:20, 30:27, 87:12, louder [1] - 91:10 Maynard [2] - 48:24, MI5 [2] - 35:3, 35:29 73:5, 73:9, 74:3, 75:1, 87:23, 87:28, 88:23, Louis [1] - 20:1 54:12 Michael [2] - 19:19, 58:10 75:4, 84:16, 84:21, 89:18 Louth [1] - 16:8 McBurney [9] - 42:9, Mickey [1] - 71:7 84:23, 84:25, 86:5, leaving [2] - 31:30, 67:27 loved [1] - 15:13 42:10, 42:14, 48:24, middle [1] - 14:1 89:17, 91:14, 92:21, led [2] - 56:25, 90:2 lovely [2] - 13:4 48:25, 49:3, 54:12, might [13] - 1:10, 3:6, 92:23, 92:28, 92:30, left [6] - 3:10, 6:11, 40:16, low [2] - 94:17, 96:15 54:14, 54:21 12:17, 17:25, 18:5, 95:5, 95:7, 95:17, 41:9, 41:10, 89:17 lowest [1] - 97:2 McComb [10] - 2:10, 2:14, 20:8, 45:9, 56:25, 68:7, 95:20, 95:30, 96:4, left-hand [3] - 40:16, Loyalists [1] - 19:23 2:16, 2:25, 2:28, 4:8, 69:16, 81:30, 84:17, 96:11, 96:29, 97:9, 41:9, 41:10 LUNCH [2] - 73:18, 74:1 5:7, 75:12, 75:14, 75:21 94:23 97:11, 97:29 legal [3] - 16:23, 19:13, lunchtime [1] - 8:18 McComb's [1] - 4:16 military [4] - 22:25, 24:30, Mr... [1] - 49:18 33:4 lying [1] - 8:2 McConville [2] - 51:27, 25:24, 26:13 murder [34] - 7:18, 7:24, LEHANE [5] - 92:23, 96:12 milk [1] - 19:21 9:7, 14:28, 19:18, 92:28, 92:30, 95:5, M McEntee [1] - 19:25 Millar [1] - 19:18 19:20, 19:22, 19:24, 96:11 McKevitt [2] - 1:11, 1:18 Mills [4] - 6:7, 12:3, 19:25, 19:27, 19:28, lengthy [1] - 23:15 mail [7] - 62:29, 62:30, McVerry [1] - 19:20 75:19, 75:22 19:29, 20:1, 23:6, Leo [4] - 75:29, 76:18, 63:8, 63:12, 64:2, me(sic [1] - 65:28 mind [3] - 39:21, 39:22, 27:12, 29:9, 30:5, 81:3, 81:9 64:10, 64:27 meal [2] - 8:17, 8:23 83:26 44:17, 50:24, 55:28, less [6] - 9:12, 9:15, main [3] - 22:29, 77:11, mean [6] - 14:19, 34:2, Ministry [1] - 18:2 56:11, 56:29, 58:5, 44:25, 71:17, 81:30 77:13 35:9, 43:2, 65:29, 68:20 minor [1] - 77:14 58:19, 58:23, 61:6, letter [4] - 17:4, 17:12, mains [15] - 37:22, 37:23, means [4] - 21:21, 34:3, minute [1] - 31:16 64:19, 69:14, 69:17, 17:18, 27:15 37:27, 38:13, 49:4, 49:13, 97:3 minutes [1] - 25:28 70:13, 70:21 50:7, 50:23, 51:1, letters [1] - 37:1 media [4] - 9:20, 10:1, mirrors [2] - 62:4, 62:7 murdered [8] - 7:9, 7:13, 51:21, 52:8, 52:15, level [4] - 8:13, 45:22, 83:10, 83:13 misrepresented [1] - 8:6, 24:16, 24:19, 50:3, 45:26, 88:22 53:17, 53:25, 54:23 medical [2] - 6:29, 72:29 37:17 50:9, 59:5 Mains [5] - 12:19, 49:5, liaised [1] - 32:30 medium [3] - 96:8, 96:20 Miss [1] - 1:10 murders [33] - 7:26, 9:21, 49:19, 49:20, 52:4 licensed [1] - 67:21 meet [4] - 38:5, 63:14, mix [3] - 28:29, 32:8, 9:30, 10:8, 10:17, mains' [1] - 50:1 10:25, 11:17, 13:5, life [3] - 10:14, 63:17, 64:7, 65:11 48:12 malice [1] - 35:19 15:1, 20:2, 20:26, 63:23 meeting [12] - 12:14, mole [12] - 9:7, 9:28, man [13] - 13:4, 41:26, 23:16, 24:10, 27:29, lifetime [1] - 81:26 14:5, 21:22, 51:23, 10:3, 10:19, 11:13, 41:29, 47:29, 62:15, 31:24, 32:22, 44:30, light [2] - 82:17, 92:23 59:3, 59:22, 63:15, 38:29, 38:30, 39:5, 68:6, 68:21, 69:11, 46:4, 51:6, 54:28, likely [1] - 68:10 64:11, 64:21, 64:30, 43:27, 44:5, 44:16, 69:16, 69:30, 85:1, 55:21, 57:23, 57:29, line [6] - 12:6, 23:25, 65:23, 67:16 81:23 89:21, 89:26 58:2, 58:28, 60:7, 68:8, 27:22, 31:10, 34:14, meetings [3] - 66:24, Moley [1] - 19:29 Manager [1] - 32:17 68:10, 69:5, 70:11, 51:4 67:5, 67:17 Molloy [1] - 84:10 manner [3] - 30:28, 37:1, 71:6, 71:25, 72:18 lines [5] - 12:25, 14:3, member [22] - 13:1, 13:2, moment [2] - 1:29, 63:22 39:27 Murphy [2] - 50:10, 50:20 30:22, 50:6, 66:9 13:16, 14:27, 16:8, Monaghan [3] - 67:14, manuscript [1] - 18:1 must [8] - 4:23, 10:27, linked [1] - 39:16 19:20, 31:29, 41:19, 67:16, 67:18 maps [1] - 18:29 11:2, 34:2, 41:30, list [1] - 18:9 41:27, 42:12, 42:27, Monday [3] - 2:22, 62:29, March [22] - 7:17, 9:4, 63:16, 64:15, 65:29 listen [2] - 26:7, 39:9 43:4, 44:17, 47:6, 59:6, 62:30 9:8, 11:14, 20:1, 23:6, 60:19, 61:1, 61:30, mutually [1] - 63:16 lists [1] - 26:30 money [3] - 14:9, 35:29, 27:9, 28:3, 28:13, 62:10, 62:21, 65:20, Myers [15] - 28:20, 29:17, live [1] - 83:4 63:22 28:14, 29:6, 29:18, 82:1 29:20, 30:7, 30:17, lived [1] - 8:14 month [7] - 1:13, 1:15, 32:2, 39:13, 49:6, members [8] - 1:24, 39:12, 39:24, 40:7, lives [1] - 68:19 61:21, 61:23, 63:25, 49:18, 50:2, 51:5, 14:21, 48:1, 50:12, 43:27, 44:11, 44:27, living [1] - 80:21 67:12, 67:17 51:23, 52:16, 67:17 50:22, 50:25, 75:30, 44:29, 45:3, 45:14, local [1] - 9:12 months [5] - 30:8, 60:16, march [1] - 31:25 82:8 55:10 located [3] - 42:15, 49:11, 83:11, 83:15, 83:22 Mark [1] - 84:25 members' [1] - 52:20 Myers' [3] - 28:29, 29:2, 50:28 Moreover [3] - 23:15, marked [2] - 93:10, 94:8 memo [1] - 32:13 43:26 location [1] - 65:15 27:13, 30:17 Martin [1] - 19:8 memory [3] - 6:22, 53:3, log [1] - 42:1 morning [10] - 1:3, 1:6, Mary [2] - 51:28, 51:29 90:14 N London [7] - 31:12, 35:3, 1:8, 1:10, 2:23, 2:25, massacre [2] - 19:22, men [15] - 7:9, 7:12, 7:18, 35:25, 58:11, 58:12, 51:22, 64:8, 64:11, 98:2 Nairac [1] - 19:24 19:25 7:25, 7:26, 8:22, 9:8, 61:11, 64:20 mortar [1] - 19:26 name [27] - 14:4, 32:14, Massacre [1] - 19:23 10:28, 11:3, 24:29, longest [2] - 88:11, 88:30 most [2] - 14:28, 46:20 33:30, 34:1, 34:5, material [8] - 1:23, 21:13, 45:11, 69:11, 69:14, look [19] - 6:15, 9:17, mot [1] - 69:26 34:10, 34:12, 34:26, 22:16, 25:18, 25:24, 69:22 11:30, 12:1, 13:30, motivated [1] - 35:18 34:30, 35:6, 37:10, 64:7, 64:16, 64:17 mention [4] - 20:20, 17:1, 33:12, 40:13, Mountbatten [1] - 12:5 47:14, 48:2, 48:4, 48:8, matter [18] - 1:25, 2:22, 53:10, 53:25, 91:4 41:9, 42:20, 48:16, mounted [2] - 15:16, 49:22, 52:15, 52:19, 2:26, 2:29, 3:13, 26:27, mentioned [14] - 7:3, 49:30, 50:15, 52:25, 40:24 52:29, 53:5, 53:29,
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30 July 2012 - Day 118 9
54:5, 54:6, 54:9, 54:11, 56:3, 56:5, 57:5, 59:2, 46:9, 67:19, 90:14 77:1, 77:2, 79:28, 12:24, 12:25, 12:27, 62:14, 84:25 63:24, 75:13 occurred [1] - 11:22 88:13, 95:2, 95:7, 14:1, 15:10, 15:11, named [11] - 46:3, 46:25, northern [3] - 10:12, occurrence [1] - 8:1 95:17, 96:20, 96:25 20:29, 20:30, 21:2, 47:11, 69:11, 69:13, 36:6, 67:21 October [5] - 11:15, ones' [1] - 15:14 22:4, 25:9, 26:21, 28:2, 69:16, 69:22, 69:30, note [5] - 23:29, 31:9, 14:12, 22:1, 61:20, ongoing [4] - 10:7, 17:27, 31:9, 32:11, 33:12, 70:1, 77:1, 77:6 36:16, 63:14, 65:26 66:17 22:17, 55:30 33:19, 33:20, 36:15, namely [2] - 2:21, 76:26 noted [2] - 36:28, 42:4 OF [1] - 1:1 onus [1] - 30:23 36:16, 37:9, 37:23, naming [2] - 43:16, 46:6 notes [6] - 1:21, 23:27, offer [2] - 6:17, 75:24 open [13] - 17:14, 27:22, 38:12, 38:20, 39:25, Narrow [1] - 19:25 24:1, 32:27, 33:14, offered [1] - 3:23 33:17, 41:10, 48:7, 40:14, 40:18, 40:30, national [2] - 2:11, 5:7 33:18 office [12] - 21:6, 21:28, 50:6, 51:21, 52:4, 41:1, 41:2, 41:7, 41:8, natural [4] - 25:7, 76:22, nothing [16] - 7:20, 7:22, 22:24, 24:29, 33:3, 52:22, 63:12, 65:27, 42:24, 42:28, 44:2, 76:25, 76:29 8:23, 16:10, 41:25, 37:30, 61:10, 61:26, 67:8, 69:6 44:8, 44:9, 47:3, 48:28, nature [9] - 4:21, 17:26, 45:12, 51:7, 61:6, 63:4, 63:7, 65:16, 86:25 opened [5] - 17:15, 49:2, 49:21, 49:29, 24:9, 38:2, 77:23, 78:4, 72:17, 82:19, 87:9, Office [2] - 57:5, 63:24 54:15, 54:16, 71:24, 49:30, 50:5, 50:6, 80:5, 80:7, 96:15 87:10, 87:21, 91:25, officer [35] - 12:15, 12:30, 94:15 50:14, 50:15, 50:16, Navan [1] - 81:4 91:26, 93:29 13:16, 14:4, 15:20, operation [2] - 40:23, 50:19, 50:30, 52:25, near [6] - 19:19, 19:21, Notice [1] - 18:2 33:30, 34:5, 34:13, 45:28 53:17, 53:18, 57:10, 19:24, 19:26, 71:11, notified [1] - 5:1 34:27, 35:5, 37:2, operations [3] - 92:6, 59:7, 59:10, 59:18, 81:17 notify [1] - 33:5 38:14, 38:16, 41:18, 92:7 62:26, 62:30, 65:7, necessarily [1] - 8:21 November [6] - 22:8, 41:22, 41:29, 42:12, opinion [6] - 80:24, 81:5, 65:22, 66:8, 66:23, 66:26, 66:30, 67:3, necessary [3] - 4:25, 23:4, 25:11, 25:15, 42:19, 45:20, 47:17, 81:6, 81:8, 81:27, 91:9 19:13, 23:26 25:28, 27:3 47:18, 48:9, 49:16, opportunity [4] - 3:3, 67:5, 78:18, 80:16, 81:24, 81:28 necessity [1] - 3:30 number [20] - 4:13, 17:4, 51:8, 53:9, 53:26, 3:12, 29:20, 32:25 page-numbered [1] - need [4] - 19:14, 41:10, 18:26, 27:1, 40:5, 46:9, 53:30, 59:26, 62:21, opposed [1] - 97:1 40:14 48:7, 86:8 48:29, 56:19, 59:2, 67:28, 70:12, 71:19, oral [1] - 4:29 pages [3] - 15:8, 43:22, needed [2] - 4:30, 86:11 59:12, 59:15, 63:17, 71:20, 75:27 Orange [1] - 19:21 48:30 needs [1] - 4:16 65:7, 65:14, 67:29, Officer [1] - 21:5 order [4] - 25:10, 28:26, pagination [2] - 20:29, negate [1] - 23:14 75:20, 85:18, 94:26, officers [23] - 9:21, 14:28, 33:2, 75:20 33:20 Nelson [3] - 30:9, 55:29, 97:1, 97:2 18:23, 19:27, 20:6, organisation [2] - 35:10, paid [1] - 94:24 57:25 numbered [5] - 17:3, 27:1, 30:20, 32:1, 85:13 paid-up [1] - 94:24 network [1] - 25:25 29:6, 40:14, 40:16, 35:29, 44:17, 50:2, organise [2] - 51:23, Paisley [2] - 10:12, 10:15 never [15] - 16:20, 37:17, 62:28 53:4, 56:11, 61:3, 62:2, 64:30 49:21, 52:8, 56:17, numbering [1] - 17:2 67:10, 68:11, 69:23, organised [2] - 46:17, panic [1] - 68:18 78:12, 84:14, 89:7, numbers [1] - 59:9 70:3, 70:22, 71:8, 64:30 paper [2] - 9:20, 23:15 89:8, 89:11, 89:14, numerous [1] - 30:14 75:29, 96:24 organising [1] - 46:17 papers [13] - 9:12, 9:13, 90:21, 91:24, 97:13 official [5] - 25:19, 26:28, orientated [1] - 21:13 9:15, 22:12, 26:26, 29:12, 32:18, 32:29, new [3] - 57:14, 95:23, O 68:23, 68:28, 78:25 original [2] - 49:6, 50:1 33:2, 33:3, 46:29, 58:14 95:24 often [1] - 83:17 ought [1] - 88:1 O'CALLAGHAN [9] - 2:4, paragraph [16] - 14:1, New [2] - 24:5, 24:12 Oireachtas [1] - 48:1 outgoing [1] - 42:1 5:5, 6:1, 6:3, 6:20, 17:8, 27:3, 40:18, 40:20, Newell [1] - 20:2 OK [37] - 8:26, 10:22, outlet [1] - 46:19 72:16, 72:23, 73:9 40:30, 41:8, 41:14, Newry [1] - 19:26 10:24, 11:12, 13:19, outline [1] - 79:16 O'Callaghan [9] - 1:7, 42:25, 43:16, 43:23, newspaper [5] - 9:6, 14:18, 15:5, 17:1, 22:1, outlined [2] - 30:1, 45:1 5:3, 34:16, 45:26, 59:8, 44:10, 44:12, 61:28, 10:9, 11:13, 19:10, 30:2 22:11, 26:19, 26:20, outrage [1] - 10:14 68:14, 72:14, 73:12, 35:17, 36:4, 36:15, 66:24, 67:8, 67:30 next [35] - 4:11, 8:19, outset [2] - 1:9, 6:20 96:21 37:9, 37:14, 39:24, paragraphs [3] - 10:25, 12:25, 17:1, 17:8, outside [1] - 57:21 O'Callaghan's [1] - 4:22 39:30, 40:2, 45:14, 33:22, 40:15 20:29, 22:4, 25:9, overall [1] - 35:1 o'clock [5] - 1:19, 72:25, 46:30, 49:23, 49:28, parcel [1] - 10:13 26:21, 27:18, 29:6, overshadowed [1] - 8:12 73:3, 73:6, 73:16 51:18, 51:26, 52:3, pardon [4] - 62:6, 79:17, 30:23, 31:6, 32:11, Owen [35] - 1:6, 16:29, O'Dea [1] - 54:27 52:12, 55:4, 55:8, 85:8, 93:16 33:12, 36:15, 37:14, 47:11, 51:9, 52:15, O.K [8] - 61:28, 62:26, 55:18, 56:1, 59:19, Park [2] - 57:7, 57:13 38:12, 38:20, 40:29, 60:23, 60:24, 61:2, 65:22, 66:10, 66:22, 70:29 Parliament [2] - 46:21, 41:4, 42:24, 53:14, 62:1, 71:15, 75:29, 68:23, 71:17, 72:21 old [1] - 37:13 46:27 59:14, 62:26, 63:24, 76:19, 76:26, 77:7, obligation [1] - 27:18 [1] Parliamentary [2] - 59:4, 65:22, 66:8, 66:15, older - 21:14 77:10, 77:21, 78:17, obliged [2] - 33:5, 95:17 59:22 66:27, 67:3, 67:5, Oliver [1] - 15:27 78:28, 79:14, 81:26, observe [1] - 41:30 part [14] - 7:29, 10:13, 71:13, 98:1 Omagh [1] - 63:28 82:4, 82:15, 82:18, obtained [1] - 43:30 14:10, 35:1, 36:22, night [5] - 56:23, 79:3, Omeath [2] - 66:10, 66:12 82:20, 85:11, 85:12, obvious [3] - 25:18, 90:5, 90:28, 94:13 ON [1] - 1:1 88:10, 88:16, 88:29, 45:3, 54:26, 65:27, 47:22, 65:12 66:22, 69:25, 78:25, no.. [1] - 68:5 once [1] - 49:21 89:7, 89:8, 91:5, 95:9 obviously [11] - 7:8, 88:8, 91:19, 91:21 nobody [1] - 8:8 one [40] - 1:19, 8:11, OWEN [1] - 6:1 18:13, 19:10, 21:13, particular [6] - 7:20, 8:30, Nolan [1] - 51:28 10:23, 12:13, 12:15, own [5] - 8:10, 20:4, 45:4, 22:8, 27:11, 28:10, 19:17, 20:6, 95:2, 96:26 none [4] - 11:19, 70:11, 13:5, 31:23, 41:14, 56:4, 67:19 29:25, 46:13, 64:10, particularly [6] - 18:21, 82:19 41:23, 45:5, 46:14, owned [1] - 67:20 67:9 18:28, 28:23, 57:17, north [2] - 16:8, 43:29 47:7, 53:3, 60:21, occasion [8] - 58:27, 83:10, 93:29 North [4] - 35:26, 56:14, 61:20, 66:22, 66:27, 60:21, 75:10, 93:13, P 56:20, 85:15 67:18, 69:13, 69:23, parties [3] - 1:11, 4:7, 5:1 93:18, 94:7, 94:11, parts [1] - 40:12 Northern [14] - 7:27, 9:1, 70:1, 70:2, 70:14, p.m [1] - 31:11 96:25 10:15, 24:6, 24:11, 70:24, 70:25, 73:3, P.S [1] - 20:20 party [1] - 4:18 occasions [4] - 40:5, 29:25, 48:18, 55:27, 74:4, 75:16, 76:30, page [87] - 12:4, 12:6, Party [3] - 55:20, 59:4,
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59:22 61:1, 61:30, 69:14, president [1] - 7:6 28:24, 30:11, 55:24, rampant [2] - 36:12, pass [2] - 87:15, 87:28 69:22, 69:30, 75:30, press [5] - 21:6, 21:28, 57:17, 58:1, 58:5, 75:6, 36:13 passage [1] - 40:21 85:12, 85:20, 86:11, 22:24, 24:29, 37:30 83:12, 96:6, 96:9, rare [1] - 84:5 passed [6] - 18:1, 18:3, 86:14, 91:2, 91:16, pressing [1] - 27:11 96:16, 96:22, 96:30 rarely [4] - 83:16, 83:18, 32:5, 42:5, 43:4, 44:5 91:22, 92:7, 92:15 pressure [2] - 56:13, 91:2 publication [14] - 11:14, 83:23, 83:24 passing [3] - 15:28, pitfalls [1] - 30:19 pretty [1] - 90:22 11:25, 18:3, 22:13, rather [2] - 26:4, 43:9 60:25, 87:22 place [11] - 6:22, 6:30, prevalent [1] - 35:22 23:2, 25:19, 27:6, 28:7, re [1] - 24:10 passport [8] - 76:26, 57:8, 58:17, 60:30, previous [1] - 51:9 29:13, 45:23, 49:24, RE [1] - 97:9 79:29, 80:15, 82:3, 61:29, 68:17, 68:19, previously [2] - 29:13, 51:15, 51:16, 66:16 RE-EXAMINED [1] - 97:9 82:9, 82:17, 82:25, 83:2 69:10, 77:24, 79:5 29:29 publications [1] - 45:29 re.. [1] - 36:19 passports [1] - 81:11 placed [2] - 16:26, 18:5 primacy [1] - 18:7 publicly [1] - 96:14 reached [1] - 56:28 past [7] - 16:24, 57:16, plan [1] - 10:27 primarily [2] - 23:28, published [9] - 22:2, reaction [2] - 25:7, 58:15 59:2, 62:28, 76:7, plates [2] - 67:21, 67:29 90:15 22:9, 28:14, 29:17, read [14] - 11:28, 12:8, 83:15, 83:21 platoon [1] - 35:30 primary [1] - 71:13 39:14, 44:28, 44:29, 14:13, 16:19, 36:22, Pat [5] - 56:29, 57:24, play [1] - 20:11 prime [1] - 21:17 45:25, 61:20 39:13, 40:9, 44:26, 58:3, 58:19, 58:23 point [15] - 4:28, 5:5, 5:9, principles [1] - 37:6 publishes [1] - 16:11 47:2, 75:23, 80:13, patently [1] - 30:19 5:17, 26:8, 27:28, prints [2] - 26:28, 27:1 purely [2] - 4:28, 88:28 96:13, 96:14, 96:22 Patrick [1] - 19:25 31:23, 52:17, 53:5, private [1] - 96:12 purported [1] - 76:10 readily [1] - 67:22 patrols [1] - 8:20 53:6, 71:10, 79:22, Private [2] - 19:19, 20:2 purpose [1] - 76:5 reading [2] - 45:4, 78:17 Patten [1] - 56:24 86:2, 95:7, 95:18 privately [1] - 36:1 purposes [1] - 16:28 reads [1] - 60:14 pattern [1] - 46:17 pointed [1] - 18:24 privilege [2] - 23:23, pursue [2] - 25:27, 30:30 real [1] - 63:20 pause [1] - 64:1 points [4] - 23:8, 27:2, 27:16 pursued [1] - 29:23 realised [2] - 46:18, 46:19 Peninsula [1] - 15:27 30:10, 31:19 problem [1] - 2:17 pursuing [1] - 23:24 reality [1] - 44:22 pension [1] - 16:7 police [11] - 11:3, 15:19, problems [1] - 63:27 put [19] - 3:7, 3:9, 3:26, really [8] - 10:2, 10:4, people [12] - 3:15, 15:23, 18:7, 19:9, 19:15, proceed [2] - 5:18, 64:17 6:14, 12:3, 37:3, 44:21, 11:8, 15:1, 38:9, 53:9, 22:22, 22:24, 26:29, 46:26, 55:29, 56:20, proceedings [4] - 19:13, 45:4, 46:7, 48:9, 52:6, 55:17, 97:4 68:19, 79:19, 84:7, 27:1, 30:14, 53:4 22:17, 35:22, 75:6 52:28, 75:14, 75:21, reason [8] - 53:21, 53:25, Police [1] - 75:13 94:24, 94:28, 95:2, professionals [1] - 46:18 75:22, 77:3, 85:18, 55:5, 55:15, 60:4, policing [1] - 57:14 94:26, 96:23 95:27 profits [1] - 14:10 70:18, 71:24, 89:2 politic [1] - 56:20 putting [2] - 34:4, 43:12 perhaps [8] - 1:30, 9:7, progress [2] - 3:16, 27:19 reasonable [1] - 25:23 political [2] - 56:4, 56:12 18:10, 19:8, 21:21, project [2] - 21:8, 30:25 receipt [1] - 22:25 politician [1] - 59:24 22:21, 63:28, 97:14 prominent [1] - 11:16 Q receive [1] - 81:29 politicians [5] - 10:12, period [6] - 10:6, 11:21, promised [1] - 58:7 received [18] - 12:29, 28:24, 51:19, 56:2, 56:3 qualified [1] - 43:17 30:8, 46:13, 84:27, promoting [1] - 56:4 13:15, 22:23, 24:28, queried [1] - 41:27 87:11 politics [1] - 48:17 propaganda [1] - 16:28 27:7, 28:13, 30:2, queries [3] - 4:13, 49:8, periods [1] - 3:14 posed [1] - 30:7 41:18, 41:28, 42:11, proper [1] - 8:17 49:9 person [13] - 12:20, position [5] - 3:7, 3:25, properly [2] - 61:25, 82:1 62:20, 69:9, 69:21, 14:14, 15:30, 21:6, 26:27, 63:30, 95:1 Queries [1] - 28:8 propose [3] - 29:22, 69:29, 76:6, 76:7, 76:8, questioned [4] - 28:16, 38:17, 38:18, 39:19, possibility [2] - 9:27, 30:26, 97:6 76:11 51:26, 54:6, 63:9, 64:20 30:3, 43:7, 87:1 prosecution [1] - 15:18 receiving [1] - 70:7 questioning [2] - 30:21, 63:11, 64:10, 81:10 possible [16] - 1:14, 3:15, recent [3] - 28:23, 78:2, prospect [1] - 10:3 92:24 personal [9] - 30:24, 3:16, 19:4, 20:12, [1] 83:7 prospects - 63:22 questions [21] - 2:29, 35:19, 78:26, 78:27, 20:15, 20:22, 21:11, recently [2] - 90:20, 95:11 provide [4] - 20:14, 6:21, 7:11, 8:26, 17:16, 88:28, 89:19, 91:27, 21:16, 23:30, 34:18, recipient [1] - 64:2 41:24, 72:4, 72:5 30:7, 69:7, 84:17, 94:4 35:12, 43:11, 72:24, reciprocate [1] - 27:20 provided [15] - 5:6, 16:23, 84:19, 84:21, 85:18, personally [2] - 21:19, 81:7, 92:14 recognise [1] - 26:15 22:27, 27:21, 34:11, 92:21, 92:24, 93:7, 95:27 possibly [3] - 70:4, 79:7, recollection [1] - 96:19 34:12, 34:30, 35:6, 93:14, 93:17, 95:8, personnel [2] - 92:1, 92:3 82:27 recommended [1] - 58:18 42:19, 49:5, 66:20, 95:12, 95:30, 96:2, persons [1] - 65:14 posting [1] - 60:17 record [8] - 18:14, 18:20, 70:5, 71:19, 71:29, 72:6 97:11 pertinent [1] - 53:28 postponed [1] - 4:22 23:14, 27:21, 53:22, providing [2] - 21:29, quickly [4] - 21:11, 37:15, perused [1] - 22:19 powerful [1] - 21:20 72:17, 96:30, 97:4 92:9 63:15, 72:24 Peter [1] - 46:12 practical [1] - 21:22 record' [1] - 22:23 proving [1] - 97:26 quiet [2] - 7:21, 20:13 phone [4] - 31:28, 32:1, practice [1] - 70:6 recorded [2] - 32:27, 37:2 provision [1] - 8:25 quietly [1] - 16:5 42:1, 70:26 precarious [1] - 63:29 records [2] - 23:26, 31:17 Provisional [7] - 60:19, quite [7] - 3:29, 11:11, phoned [3] - 41:29, preface [1] - 70:19 recount [1] - 6:30 60:26, 61:2, 62:1, 82:7, 50:18, 76:22, 81:7, 51:22, 62:10 preferable [1] - 44:23 recounting [1] - 7:1 82:12, 82:30 90:15, 93:20 photographed [1] - 26:29 preferably [1] - 18:19 recovery [1] - 23:26 prudent [4] - 23:11, 26:4, quote [3] - 11:8, 13:19, photographing [1] - prejudice [1] - 4:18 27:4, 30:28 15:10 recruited [1] - 60:17 45:10 prejudiced [3] - 3:8, 3:21, red [1] - 67:20 précis [6] - 75:15, 75:16, quoted [2] - 10:24, 30:10 photographs [7] - 19:5, 4:23 redacted [1] - 63:8 75:20, 75:26, 76:4 quoting [2] - 10:18, 37:18 22:13, 23:3, 23:13, Prenty [5] - 13:21, 13:25, PSNI [19] - 2:8, 2:17, refer [14] - 7:21, 9:17, 24:9, 25:25, 45:10 13:26, 37:16, 42:27 2:21, 3:2, 3:9, 3:23, R 12:23, 22:12, 26:26, piece [7] - 12:23, 31:23, preparation [1] - 34:23 4:13, 4:22, 4:26, 5:11, 29:12, 32:18, 37:21, 32:7, 52:12, 53:19, prepared [4] - 11:1, 42:8, 5:13, 65:8, 76:6, 77:4, racketeering [1] - 20:21 40:12, 40:28, 57:10, 71:13, 76:14 57:28, 65:26 84:26, 93:14, 93:17, radios [1] - 11:2 66:22, 77:13, 78:14 pieces [1] - 71:4 presence [1] - 55:3 96:7 raised [5] - 4:13, 21:24, reference [19] - 9:27, [20] PIRA - 18:17, 19:2, present [5] - 4:29, 6:23, public [15] - 14:21, 22:17, 24:21, 28:9, 29:19 13:28, 14:16, 24:13, 31:9, 31:29, 45:29, 30:8, 44:4, 70:16 33:13, 33:21, 36:20,
Doyle Court Reporters Ltd. Smithwick Tribunal - 30 July 2012 - Day 118 11
37:9, 43:1, 49:4, 55:19, 97:17 18:22, 76:15, 77:7, RUC's [1] - 27:28 seeing [1] - 11:3 59:21, 60:8, 75:17, repeated [1] - 43:7 77:29, 84:8, 87:12, rumour [5] - 85:19, 85:22, seek [1] - 23:26 83:15, 93:20, 94:3, repeatedly [1] - 7:16 87:17, 87:29, 89:2, 86:17, 86:19, 91:24 seeking [1] - 55:27 94:14, 96:14 replicates [1] - 29:3 90:16, 90:20, 92:16 rumoured [1] - 37:10 seizure [1] - 66:12 references [1] - 12:2 replied [2] - 81:1, 82:2 retires [1] - 88:19 rumours [9] - 84:29, 85:3, selective [1] - 68:21 referred [14] - 16:1, 21:3, reply [2] - 3:7, 31:16 return [2] - 4:16, 26:5 86:13, 86:20, 87:5, sending [2] - 64:29 23:19, 39:20, 40:6, Report [2] - 54:26, 55:9 returning [1] - 24:6 87:6, 87:24, 87:26, Senior [1] - 75:9 42:28, 48:1, 51:8, 57:7, report [29] - 10:18, 10:24, returns [1] - 24:11 94:21 senior [12] - 1:24, 14:28, 61:17, 64:14, 69:12, 23:3, 24:24, 25:14, reveal [3] - 17:28, 19:14, running [1] - 83:12 22:24, 24:28, 47:6, 69:15, 79:28 26:26, 27:3, 28:20, 24:2 47:17, 47:18, 53:9, referring [3] - 42:30, 29:12, 30:1, 33:7, 40:9, revealed [2] - 31:14, S 60:21, 60:30, 61:30, 43:8, 71:10 40:13, 41:5, 42:4, 42:8, 31:17 84:28 safe [2] - 15:28, 63:23 refers [1] - 59:3 42:9, 44:27, 47:20, revelation [1] - 15:14 sensitive [2] - 16:6, 30:22 safety [3] - 67:28, 68:4, refused [2] - 34:1, 44:20 48:24, 55:19, 57:28, revelations [1] - 30:6 sensitivity [1] - 28:23 91:27 refuses [2] - 24:2, 33:30 60:3, 60:8, 61:19, right-hand [5] - 12:5, sent [6] - 42:7, 62:30, salient [1] - 23:8 regard [4] - 28:16, 30:6, 66:17, 66:20, 66:22, 17:3, 20:30, 33:19, 63:8, 64:6, 64:10, 64:26 Sampson [1] - 57:1 49:9, 67:24 67:1 50:15 sentence [2] - 49:13, 64:2 sanctioned [1] - 22:27 regarding [9] - 4:9, 4:13, reported [4] - 69:24, 88:4, rise [2] - 57:17, 73:16 September [15] - 31:7, Saturday [2] - 8:18, 56:23 4:17, 44:6, 84:30, 85:3, 88:5, 88:6 Road [1] - 32:2 42:6, 42:9, 48:23, 87:3, 87:6, 87:21 reporting [4] - 9:9, 48:25, road [1] - 68:20 Saville [2] - 23:30, 24:7 48:25, 49:7, 51:1, regime [2] - 95:24 69:10, 76:9 roaming [1] - 8:6 saw [3] - 25:4, 45:6, 54:19, 60:11, 61:10, 70:27 region [2] - 18:13, 29:8 reports [7] - 9:6, 9:20, Robert [2] - 55:29, 57:25 63:1, 63:6, 64:12, SB [3] - 18:17, 21:24, Regional [5] - 25:10, 10:9, 28:10, 29:29, rOBINSON [1] - 95:23 65:25, 69:29 33:30 26:7, 28:4, 29:7, 32:30 32:29, 33:1 ROBINSON [12] - 4:6, September/October [1] - related [1] - 29:28 representations [1] - 84:21, 84:23, 84:25, SB/CID [1] - 22:24 58:9 relating [4] - 1:23, 27:12, 30:14 86:5, 89:17, 91:14, SB50 [11] - 2:7, 2:18, 4:9, sequence [3] - 13:1, 31:24, 32:22 represented [1] - 18:29 92:21, 95:7, 95:17, 35:15, 85:7, 85:9, 42:29, 75:20 relation [34] - 1:29, 31:19, Republic [1] - 67:11 95:20, 95:30 85:19, 94:14, 94:16, Sergeant [7] - 51:10, 96:7, 96:22 31:23, 37:7, 38:26, republican [2] - 14:7, Robinson [8] - 2:8, 2:11, 77:7, 77:10, 78:5, 40:26, 45:7, 47:20, 63:21 2:19, 2:23, 4:3, 20:1, scathing [1] - 47:20 84:28, 86:20, 87:24 64:19, 68:5, 75:24, republicans [1] - 55:27 84:25, 97:12 screen [3] - 6:14, 12:7, sergeant [4] - 12:13, 76:13, 76:18, 77:9, reputation [1] - 85:21 rogue [1] - 37:11 75:22 12:15, 12:20, 87:16 77:21, 78:1, 78:5, Request [1] - 21:3 role [3] - 16:5, 30:25, 67:9 Seamus [1] - 19:23 serious [6] - 1:23, 10:2, 78:19, 80:1, 80:14, request [1] - 15:17 Ronnie [4] - 15:15, 47:19, search [1] - 31:16 10:10, 14:24, 15:2, 81:20, 81:21, 81:22, requested [1] - 34:6 47:27 searching [1] - 30:7 57:18 82:3, 82:21, 82:25, requesting [1] - 21:10 room [1] - 1:18 second [20] - 15:5, 15:19, seriously [2] - 94:1, 94:5 83:2, 83:13, 83:27, requests [1] - 18:7 Rosemary [1] - 57:25 17:9, 17:11, 27:3, seriousness [1] - 27:17 36:17, 39:25, 40:19, 86:8, 94:3, 96:5, 96:7, require [1] - 24:7 route [2] - 46:16, 69:24 Service [2] - 65:21, 75:13 41:16, 48:28, 49:30, 97:1 required [1] - 27:8 Roy [3] - 2:10, 4:8, 75:12 service [1] - 8:24 50:16, 57:10, 59:8, relationship [3] - 82:12, research [1] - 19:4 Royal [1] - 22:5 services [2] - 63:21, 82:29, 93:26 66:8, 77:13, 79:8, resourcing [1] - 30:9 rubbish [1] - 71:21 63:26 relationships [2] - 75:30, 80:13, 82:7, 92:30 respect [33] - 2:6, 2:11, RUC [83] - 10:18, 10:28, serving [1] - 20:6 secondly [2] - 48:12, 64:6 82:7 2:24, 10:11, 11:16, 11:6, 12:12, 12:16, session [1] - 98:1 Secret [2] - 31:8, 65:21 relatively [2] - 20:13, 86:5 18:6, 23:16, 24:1, 12:20, 12:29, 13:9, set [9] - 11:2, 35:28, released [1] - 19:12 26:27, 28:8, 28:11, 13:14, 13:17, 14:3, Secretary [1] - 30:11 43:27, 48:29, 55:9, relevant [6] - 27:26, 29:9, 29:13, 30:11, 14:28, 15:16, 15:21, sections [4] - 12:9, 37:21, 59:5, 59:26, 60:6, 68:30 40:13, 40:28 27:29, 33:3, 40:14, 32:22, 32:28, 33:6, 15:27, 16:4, 16:17, sets [1] - 40:22 security [10] - 2:11, 5:8, 69:4, 75:19 35:15, 36:28, 40:9, 17:19, 17:24, 17:30, setting [2] - 68:24, 68:28 18:4, 18:27, 19:13, reliability [2] - 40:6, 41:23, 42:13, 43:16, 19:3, 19:27, 20:6, several [3] - 38:10, 46:26, 94:18 43:25, 44:11, 44:30, 20:25, 21:1, 21:6, 25:25, 36:7, 47:6, 68:17 57:18, 85:14 reliable [4] - 69:18, 69:26, 57:12, 57:28, 58:2, 21:28, 24:29, 25:10, Shankill [1] - 19:9 see [52] - 6:8, 6:13, 12:5, 70:3, 77:5 58:19, 70:10, 72:18, 26:10, 26:21, 28:3, share [1] - 70:6 12:13, 15:8, 15:11, relied [1] - 43:28 97:5 29:7, 31:3, 32:13, Sheridan [2] - 65:24, 66:4 20:22, 20:30, 21:2, religious [1] - 68:6 respectful [1] - 95:11 33:12, 33:28, 33:29, Shields [1] - 19:26 24:18, 25:14, 26:21, remain [2] - 20:13, 57:16 responded [1] - 43:20 34:13, 34:22, 34:27, shocking [1] - 8:11 27:15, 27:18, 28:15, remarks [1] - 4:3 response [3] - 54:21, 35:2, 35:5, 35:14, 36:7, shooting [5] - 19:19, 33:13, 33:15, 33:20, remember [20] - 7:4, 78:15, 95:8 36:17, 36:28, 37:2, 19:23, 69:23, 69:25, 33:21, 33:22, 36:1, 11:9, 25:20, 36:22, responsible [5] - 9:13, 41:17, 41:28, 42:7, 70:2 40:15, 41:5, 41:10, 53:10, 53:29, 54:3, 15:22, 21:15, 69:14, 42:11, 42:19, 43:8, shootings [1] - 18:27 54:6, 54:16, 76:28, 45:30, 46:16, 46:30, 70:2 45:18, 45:19, 45:22, shot [1] - 16:3 79:10, 79:24, 79:25, 45:26, 47:17, 47:18, 48:27, 48:29, 48:30, responsibly [1] - 18:1 showed [1] - 6:8 79:26, 87:5, 90:14, 48:9, 48:22, 49:13, 50:5, 50:13, 50:19, rest [2] - 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