Second Serles Vol, XX - No. 29 Thursday, September 18, 1958
LOK SABHA DEBATES
(Fifth Session)
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(Vol. XX contains Nos. 21-30)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI CONTENTS No. ax.*Monday, 8th Septentbe l 1958. Columns Oral Answers to Questions—
Starred Questions Nos. 1009, 1011—1017 and X019 to 1022 . 5133—<58 Written Answers to Questions—
Starred Questions Nos. ioio, 1018 and 1023 to 1054 .... 5168—-86 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1632 to 1696...... 5*87—5222
Motion for Adjournment— Alleged food crisis in Uttar P r a d e s h ...... 5222—46 Arrest of two Members...... 5246-47 Conviction of two Members ...... 5247-48 Papers laid on the Table ...... 5248 President’s assent to Bills ...... 5249 Correction of Answer to Starred question No. 80 .... 5249 1. Supreme Court Judges (Conditions of Service) Bill . 5250 I Introduced 2. International Finance Corporation (Status, Immunities f and Privileges) B i l l ...... J 5250 Public Premises (Eviction of Unauthorised Occupants) Bill— Motion to consider, as passed by Rajya S a b h a ...... 5251 5366 Clauses 2 and 3 ...... 5329______66 Statement re : informal meeting to discuss food situation .... 5366__72 Daily D i g e s t ...... 5373— 78
No. 27.—Tuesday, 9th September, 1958.
Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1055, 1056, 1058, 1059, 1061, 1063, 1065, 1067 to 1069, 1071 to 1074, 1076, 1078 and 1079 • • " • ■ 5379—5414 Short Notice Question No. 8 ...... 54x4_____ r7 Wirtten Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1057, 1060, 1062, 1064, 1066, 1070, 1075, 1077, 1080—1:089 and 5 6 5 ...... 5417—27 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1697 to 1755 ...... 5428—64
Motions for Adjournment— Calling of armed constabulary in U.P. Assembly to restore order . 5465—85 Papers laid on the T a b l e ...... 5486, 5489 Statement by Shri S. L, S a k s e n a ...... 5486—89 Message from Rajya Sabha ...... 5490 Public Accounts Committee— Ninth R e p o r t ...... 5490 Public Premises (Eviction of Unauthorised Occupants) Bill • 5490—5568 Clauses 4 to 14 and 1 ..... , .... 5490—5562
(i) 197A LSD—9. ‘ Cii) COLUMNS Motion to Pass 5562— 68 Motion re : Food Poisoning in Kerala and Madras States .... 5567— 56*4 Daily Digest . . • • • • . . • • • • • ■ 5615— * ° No. a?.—Wednesday, toth September, 1958. . Ora] Answers to Questions— Starred Question Nos. 1090 to 1100 and IZ03 to 1108 .... 5621—56 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1101 and 1102 ...... 5656— 66 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1756 to 1S14 and rSr6 to 1830 . . . 5666— 6721 Resignation of a Member ...... 5721 Re : Motion for Adjournment— Absention by Opposition Members from U. P. Assembly Session . 5721— 31, 5731— 36 Committee on Private Members Bills and Resolutions— Twenty-sixth Report ...... 5731 Indian Medical Council (Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider ...... 5736— 66 Clauses 2 and x ...... 5761— 66 Motion to pass ...... 5766 Delhi Rent Control Bill— Motion to refer to Joint Committee ...... 5766— 5800 Discussion re : Rehabilitation o f Displaced Persons from East Pakistan . . 5800— 50 Parliament {Prevention o f Disqualification) Bill— Report of Joint Committee ...... 5850 Business Advisory Committee— Twenty-ninth Report ...... 5850 Daily Digest ...... 5851— 56 K o. 24.— Thursday, 1 nh September, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1140 to 1145, 1147, 1150,1183, 1151 to 1154, 1156 to 1159, 1162 to 11*4, 1166, 1168, 1169, 1171 and 1172 . . 5857—94 Written Answers to Questions—
Starred Questions Nos. 1138* 1139. 1146, 1x48, 1149^ U 55> 1160, 1161, 1165, x 167, 1x70, 1x7,2 to 1182 and 1184 ..... 5894— 5910 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1831, 1903, 1905 to 1913 and 1915 to 1918 5939— 56 Re : Motion for Adjournment ...... 5955— 57 Papers laid on the Table ...... 5957*58 Messages from Raiya Sabha ...... 5958-59 Petition re : IJability of State in Tort ...... 5959 Statement re : Explosion of Ammunition packages in Pathankot . . . 5959— 61 Business Advisory Committee— ' Twenty-ninth Report ...... 5962-63 Delhi Rent Control Bill— Motion to refer to Joint Committee j 5963— 6C90 Daily Digest 6091— 98 Colu mns
No.25.— Friday, tzth September, 1958. Oral Anrvers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1185 to 1188, 1190 to 1196,1198 to 1203, 1307 and 1 2 0 8...... $099—6136 Short Notice Question Nos. 9 and 10 ...... 6136—43 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1189, 1197, 1204 to 1206 and 1209 to 1222 . 6143—53 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1919 to 1072 and 1974 to 1999- • • • 6153—97 Death of Sardar Sampuran Singh ...... 6197-98 jPapers laid on the Table ...... 6x98-99 Message from Rajya Sabha ...... 6199-6200 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Results of talks held between Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan . 6200—10 Correction of answer to Starred Question No. 9x3 . . . . . 6211 Correction of answer to Starred Question No. 232 . . . . . 6211 Business of the House ...... 6212 Statement re : oil exploration ^ 6212— 14 Election to Committee— Estimates Committee ...... 6214-15 High Court Judges (Conditions of Services) Amendment Bill—Introduced . 6215 Delhi Rent Control Bill— Motion to refer to Joint Committee ...... 6215—35 Merchant Shipping Bill— Motion to consider, as reported by Joint Committee . . . . 6233— 52 Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions— Twenty-sixth Report...... 6252-53 Resolution re : Formation of a National Council of India Youth—withdrawn 6253—6* Resolution re : Exclusion of certain tribunals from the jurisdiction of High Courts and Supreme CcJurt—Wgaiiv d ■ 6261—6317 Resolution re : Commission to adjudicate Boundary Disputes between the States of Orissa, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar . . . . . 63x8 Daily Digest ...... 63x9—26
So. 26.—Mondoy, 15rh September, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1223 to 1225, 1227, 1228, 1230, 1232 to 1235, 1237 to :24i, 1243 w 124'u and 1253 ...... 6327—67 Short Notice Questions Nos. 11 and 12 . . . . . 6367—70 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1226, 1229, 1231» 1236, 1242, 1249 to 1252 and 1254 TO X263 ...... 6371—84 Unsrarrid Questions Nos. 2000 to 2089 ...... 6384—643s Motion lor Adjournment— Statement by Finance Minister in Washington re : Quemoy and Matsu . 6435— 45 Point re : Adjournment Motion ...... 6445— 55 (iv )
C olumns Papers laid on the T a b l e ...... €455-56 Message from Rajya Sabha ...... 6456-57 Arrest and Conviction of a M em ber...... 6457 Arrest of a Member ...... 6457 Merchant Shipping Bill— Motion consider, as reported by Joint Committee .... 6458— 65x5 Discussion re : Report of Advisory Committee on Slum Clearance . 6515— 72 Daily Digest ...... 6573— 80 Nc. 27.— Tuesday, the 16th September, 1958. Oral Answei s to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1265 to 1267, 12^9, 1271 to 1276, 1278 to 1281, 1283, 1284, 1287 and 1 2 8 8 ...... 6581— 6619 Short Notice Question No. 13 ...... 6619— 22 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1264,1268, 1270, 1277, 1282^ 1285, *286 and 1289 to 1305 ...... ' 6622— 34 Unstarred Questions Nos. 2090 to 2176 ■ • 6634— 79 Arrest o f two Members ...... 6679-80 Papers laid on the Table ...... 6 6 S0— 82 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Reduction in commission to Insurance Agents ..... 6681—84 Merchant Shipping Bill— Motion to consider, as reported by Joint Committee ..... 6684— C §26 Daily Digest ...... 6827— 34 No. 28.— Wednesday, ijth September, 1958. Oial Answers to Questions— Starred Question Nos. 130610 13m 1312. 1315 to 13J7, 1321 u> 1328 and 1330 ...... 6835— 73 Short Notice Question No. 14 . . . . 6873— 75 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. m i , 1313* J3I4, 131810 1320. 1329 and 13 31to 1349 ...... 6875— '^ Unstarred Questions Nos. 2177 to 2263 ...... f'889— 694S Re : Motion for Adjournment ...... 6942-43 Point of Information ...... 6943 Papers laid on the T a b le ...... 6943-44 Committee on Private Member’s Bills and Resolutions— Twenty-Seventh Report ...... 6945 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— Cholera epidemic in Kalahandi district of Orissa State .... 6945-46 Poisons (Amendment)—Bill Introduced ...... 6946 Merchant Shipping Bill, as reported by Joint Committee— Clauses 2 to 20,22 to 100, 102 to 149, 21, 101, 103 to 461, the schedule and 1 6947—7068 Motion to pass as amended ...... 7059— <58 Motion re : Appraisal and Prospects ot the Second Five Year Plan 7069— 94 Daily Digest ...... 7095—7100 0 0
Columns Ate. 29•— Thursday, i8r'/ September, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions—
Starred Questions Nos. 1350,1351.- I354> 1356 to 1365 and 1367 . . 7101—35
Written Answers to Quest ions-
Starred Questions Nos. 1352, I353> i 355> 13663 1368 to 1379 and 1381 to 11395 ...... 7135— 52 Unstarred Questions Nos. 3264 to 2376 ...... 7x52—7223 Papers laid on the Table ...... 7223—25 Conviction of a Member ...... 7225 Motion re: Appraisal and Prospects of the Second Five Year Plan . . 7225— 7394 Daily D i g e s t ...... 7395— 7404 No. 30.— Fridiy, xyth September, 1958. Oral Answers to Questions — Starred Questions Nos. 1396, 1398 to 1400, 1402, 1404, 1405, 1408, 1409 1411,1412 and 1414 7405—42 Written Answers to Questions—
Starred Questions Nos. 1397, *4 ° t j I4 ®3 » 1407, 1410, 14x3 and 1415 to 1426 ...... 7442— 5t Unstarred Questions Nos. 2377 to 2436 .... 7452—85 Death of Dr. Bhagwan Das ...... 7486—95 Papers laid on the Table ...... 7495-96 Message from Rajya Sabha ...... 7497 Business of the House ...... 7497—7500
FJections to Committees— 1. Estimates Committee; and ...... 7500-01 2. Public Accounts Committee ...... 75or Representation of the People (Amendment) Bill— Introduced . . . 7501-02 Motion re : Appraisal and Prospccts of the Second Five Year Plan - . 7502—63
> Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions - Twenty-seventh Report ...... 7563-64 Sterilisation of the Unfit Bill Introduced ...... 7565 Cantonments (Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider ...... 75*^—7605 Companies (Amendment) Bill— Motion to consider ...... 7605—28 Rusiness Advisory Committee— Thirtieth Report ...... 7628 Half-an-hour discussion n-: Social Security Scheme . . . . 7628—30 Daily Digesr ...... 763r—38 Consolidated Contents (8th September to 19th September, 1958^1 ( i—v ) N.B .— The sign 1 marked above a name of a Aiemcer on Question:; which mere orally amtoered indicates that the Question teas orally asked on the floor of the House by that Member. L OK SABHA DEBATES
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L O K S A B H A thinking of constituting. In the mean time, they found this legal difficulty. Thwtday, 18th September, 1959 Shri Bam Krishan: By what time will this matter be finally decided? Tfv* Lok Sabha met* at Eleven aj the Shri H*thi: It won’t take much Clock. time. But, it will mean some nego [if*. SrcAK» in the Chair] tiation between the Rajasthan and Punjab Governments and also an 0 * A L ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS amendment in the Act if we find it necessary. Mtte Mootrfctty Beaitf tor r « t ia » Shri D. C. Sharma: In view of the fact that there is some kind at a con flict between the Rajasthan and f Shri Ram Krisfcan: Punjab Governments, will this ques +IU9.J Shri AJit 81ngh SaAaH: tion be taken up at the Zonal Council ^Shri D. C. 8harma: or some other forum to resolve this 'Will the Minister of Irrigation w»* kind of deadlock? Tvmvr be pleased to refer to the reply Shri Hathi: The Irrigation Ministry given to Starred Question No. 196 on is shortly calling a meeting of the the 17th February, 1958 and state: Punjab and Rajasthan representatives and we hope to settle that question ,(a) whether it is a fact that the there. Pupjab Government have since art up «n Electricity Board; and Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: Is it
Shri Htfld: It is under the provi Shri Harish CfcaaAra Hathar. Has sions. of the Act which this Parlia the Central Government tendered any ment has passed. advice in this matter to the Govern ment of PunjabT Shri Viswanatha Reddy: May I know whether all the State Govern Shri Hathi: Ves, Sir. We have. ments have expressed themselves Therefore we are calling a meeting, against the setting up of Electricity Boards mainly because it limits their Parlam A ir Port discretion to extend electricity to •1SS1. Shri Harish Chandra Mathnr: under-developed areas in their own Will the Minister of Transport and States? Communications be pleased to state: Shri Hathi: No State has objected (a) whether Government have come on that ground. In fact, out of four to any decision whether the Pa lam air teen, including Jammu and Kashmir, port will remain- with the Civil Avia nine States have already formed them. tion Department or with the I.A.F.; Only four have not. Nobody has objected on that ground. 9tuei I M M M a i The proposal to Shri HoUaMin: Administratively, make the airport runway sufficiently it is under the I.A.F. and the civilian tone ta receive Jets is under active aeroplanes land there according to the consideration at the Government and rules and regulations that are laid it is hoped that before the jets begin down for the civilian use of the air to operate, the runway will be ready port. to receive them. Mr. Speaker: Next question. Shri Hariah Chandra. Mattuir: Is it Shri P.. C. Boroeah: One question, a fact that there was a definite pro Sir. posal for a separate civil aviation port and even certain equipment had been Mr. Speaker: I have allowed a num ordered for it and received here? May ber of questions. Earlier questions I know what has happened to that? receive larger attention even though there may be other questions more Shri Mohiuddln: The question important later on. Next question. regarding Pa Lam Airport, whether it should be permanently under the Establishment of a Subsidiary Port at I.A.F. or should be handed over for GeonkhaH civilian purposes has been under consideration for a long time. As far 4- as I know, no equipment was ordered C Shri S. C. Somanta: for this purpose. Of course, equip *1354. J Shri Rameshwar Tantia: ment are flowing in all the time for [ Shri H. N. Mukerjee: the purpose of civilian use. W ill the Minister of Transport and Shri Hem Barua: In spite of the Communications be pleased to state: ffcet that the Palam Airport is under double control of the I.A.F. and the (a) whether the scheme to set up a Civil Aviation department, may I subsidiary port at Geonkhali is under know if most of the damages are so the consideration of Government; extensive that recently an Aeroflot and could not land and >t had to be divert (,b) if so. action taken in the matter ed to another airport in the U.P.? so far? Skri Mohiuddln: It is a fact that The Minister of State in the Ministry an aeroplane had to be diverted. That of Transport and Communications is due not to control by one or the (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a ) No, Sir. In oilier. That is due to the cracks In the opinion of technical experts, the runway which generally appear Geonkhali is not suitable for siting a from time to time on every runway. new port They have got to be repaired. I am informed that in about a week's time, (b ) The question of selecting an the runway will be restored to res alternative site for the construction of tricted use. a subsidiary port to Calcutta is under investigation. Shri T. B. Vlttal Kao: May I know if flood-lighting arrangements in the Shri S. C. Samanta: Is it not a fact Palam Airport are according to that all the requirements for a subsi IC A O , standards? diary port remain Geonkhali except Shri Mohtaddin: It is an inter that there is silting beyond Diamond national port. I think they are. Harbour? If so, may I know whe ther dredging arrangements beyond Shri Hariah Chandra Mattuir: What Diamond Harbour have been carried is the administrative machinery at out? present functioning for the joint con trol and management of this port? Sfcri KaJ Bahadur: According to the What is the respective responsibility expert opinion of the World Bank v t the tw o sections? Technical Mission who visited us in 7107 Of#l Aw w rt IB S S P V m O H O t 19Sa O m l 4 tm * «r * Tip i Oetofeet-Novwaber, 1M7, Calcutta another French expert, P r o f. L^srvas. requires in it* vicinity * deep harbour They have also asked fer certain Itta with « ileap draft capable of taking in which are being collected. s te u a tn of the future, meaning there by up to 40 ft. draft. That condition Bereave aad M ask Ptvipasamt is not found to be obtainable in Otteers Geonkhali where according to the experts at low tide we may not get *1356. Pandit V. N. Tiwary: Will beyond 28 ft. Apart from that, even the Minister of Community Dereiep- if we locate one at Geonkhali, there meat be pleased to state: is still a bar to be crossed, the Ballari bar. (a) whether Government has succeeded in impressing on the States the desirability oi separating the func Slut S. C. Sa manta: May I request tions and personnel of Revenue and the hon. Minister to find out whether Block Development Officers; and the depth of the water at Geonkhali is 26 ft.? It is more than 60 ft. (b ) if so. the number of States which have fallen in line with the 8hri R *i Bah ad or: W e go by the Bombay State in separating the two expert opinion, but I can assure the functions in their States? hon. Member that there is no differ The Minister of Cwimwittr ence of opinion whatsoever so far as Development (8hr! 8. K. D ej): (ai the setting up of a subsidiary port Yes, Sir, on most of the States. near Calcutta is concerned. The difference, the resolution of which (b ) A ll States, except Bihar. depends upon the opinion of the Pandit D. N. Tiw ary: May I know experts, is only in regard to the siting, the number of States that have up to whether it should be at the “ tuft” this time separated the two functions, point or it should be at Geonkhali or and the difficulties that lie in the w ay Haldia or elsewhere. That point is of Bihar Government in separating under expert examination, and we them? shall have to depend for that upon expert opinion. Shri S. K. Dey: Conditions in Bihar are slightly different from what obtain Shri B>«m I Ghote: Even if it is in other States in the sense that Bihar not at Geonkhali, I understand from never had the revenue services at the the hon. Minister that it has been village level and at the Tehsil level decided that a subsidiary port should such as existed elsewhere. Secondly, be set up to help Calcutta port. The because of the under-developed nature question is: there is a site very near of the territory, Bihar has a relatively Geonkhali. Is Government contem acute shortage of educated persons. plating to set up a site at that place? That is what the State Grovernmetst pleaded. A ll the same, we are trying Shri Raj Bahadur: As I said just to pursue the matter with the State now, steps for siting are being Government, and they have premised taken. In fact, the hon. Member to review the situation. might know, because I have already Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister stated in the House, that w e have evidently means all the Bihaii educat already asked for the services of Mr. ed men have come away to Parlia Posthuma who came at the head of ment! the World Bank Technical Mission last year to come again and advise us in Pandit D. N. Tiwary: May I knowr regard to that. W e have also asked whether the hon. Minister is aware for the services o i another expert that them are many Bihari graduates from abroad, and at the moment they moving here and there for iotw, are1 themselves studying the report of there is no shortage o f educated nysn Onw Aum ort* 18. MBP-flM M W 1SS8 Orml A n s to tn in B i t r , MN* tfcat this pita t t t t there be Project Officers and they give par- is m « f educated im b in Bihar sortal assistance to the Deputy Caaa is not correct? mfatttoners to preside over Block Development meetings. What step* M r. ,What is the good at will be taken in this connection? asking him? He should ask the local Gornnnunt. Shri S. IL Dey: The Project Officer teH Tinftnwrf; May I know whe- is now an old institution which has th *f all the States have accepted the since been abolished. The sub- principle of the non-official* being divisional officer is expected only te Ptusident of the Block Development supervise the activities of the Block Committee and if s», which are the Development Officer. States which have now enforced it? Shri 8. K. Dey: That Is an entirely Training of Auxiliary Health Workenl separate question. This proposal has , . w . J Shri Subodh Haaada: been conveyed to the State Govern \ Shri S. C. Samanta: ments, and they are gradually trying to implement it. Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: Shri TridJb Komar Chaudhort: May I know in this connection if the hon. (a) whether the scheme for the Minister is aware that the Block training of Auxiliary Health Workers Development Officers have been has been started; saddled with magisterial duties as circle officers in their respective areas (b ) if so, the number of such train in West Bengal? ing centres opened up-to-date under the various State Governments; and Shri S. K. Dey: As far as I know, the Block Development Officers in (c) the amount spent to start these West Bengal have no magisterial training centres? duties, but they are supposed to do relief and other operations which The Minister of Health (Shri circle officers in the past were doing. Karmarkar): fa) Yes. That i& what we have been told by the West Bengal Government. (b) Three at the following places:— (i) Public Health Institute, Patna. Shri Subbiah Ambalam: May I know whether any directions have (ii) Andhra Medical College, been sent from the Centre to the Visakhapatnam. States regarding the recruitment of (iii) Sawai Man Singh Medical revenue officials as Block Develop College. Jaipur. ment Officers? Shri S. K. Dey: We have told the (c) Grants-in-aid of Rs. 15,181 State Governments that they could during 1957-58 and Rs. 4,811 during recruit Block Development Officers 1958-59 have been paid to the Govern from the open market, by promoting ments of Bihar and Andhra Pradesh existing personnel from the various respectively towards the establishment technical departments. and also by of training centres for Auxiliary absorbing some suitable personnel Health Workers. from the revenue services. Shri S. C. Samanta; Is it not a fact Shri C. R. Basappar The Project that during the First Five Year Plan Officer in my State happens to be a this training was given in existing subdivisional officer. May I know schools? May I know how many whether these subdivisional officers schools have been opened during ‘title are alao allowed because they are Second Five Year Plan for this •pur revenue officers? They continue to pose? O ral AiuNoer* 18 SKPTSBCBER 1*58 Oral Answer* 7 it a Skri Kiraarkw: This particular purely meant fox Community Deve scheme was conceived as a result o f a lopment Projects or it is for general? resolution passed by the Central Council of Health in 1855. As I said, Shri Karmarkar: The idea of train these are the three States which have ing these auxiliary medical personnel been working the scheme. The West was with the object that they should Bengal Government have some such be entrusted not with diag scheme under consideration, but the nosis and treatment of disease*, proposals have not yet reached us. not beyond what is necessary as part From the other States we have not of ordinary first-aid work. Their train received any schemes. ing should be such as to enable them to assist tt^e health authorities &S ntOlHf TW : ftrc TTRTt *1 in as large a measure as possible in preventive measures including sanita during the Second Five Year Flan period? «ft nt: *r$ fawtetO P r k f r | 1 srtewr wt# Shri K * r w r t » r : I have no Idea myself at the moment, but if tba hon. «ift s r c ff f t fipsroy Member gives notice, I shall look into | i aft # w c *r<3r it. f mffqf «TT aft **- Shri Bra) Raj Singh: Then who will ftrarr *St farwrtrft have it? n^nWfe «i?t ^jf*P «nr *tt t£* srrtfr Bobberies on Indian Railways f t £ t i" ,11M f Sardar Iqbal Singh; Shri Hem Barua: The statement says \ Shri DalJU Singh: that special drives are launched to W ill the Minister cf Railways be round up trespassers and suspicious pleased to refer to the reply given to persons in yards and other railway Unstarred Question No. 817 on the premises and prosecuted under sec 25th August, 1958 and state the steps tion 122 of the Indian Railways Act. taken to prevent incidence of thefts May I know how many trespassers and and dacoities on running trains? suspicious persons in yards have been rounded up so far since the launching The Deputy Minister of Railways of the drive? (Shri Shahnawax Khan): A statement is placed on the Table of the House. Shri Shahnawax Khan: I require [See Appendix V, annexure No. 123.] notice. Sardar Iqbal Singh: May I know aft TTJ»TW 3TPRT the number of cases which have hap K f*P % ^ETTCT f W ^TT # pened in 1956, 1957 and 1958 in spite of taking all the measures mentioned f f * ? in the statement? «ft w y wwi n t : m *ft Sardar Iqbal Singh: May I know nffirar «rw : wt ^ w v tf whether, in spite of taking all these measures, crime on the railways is on TTTOf «RTT *P17 $ f% ^ «TT It 3IJRT the increase in 1957 as compared to T irr *f!r **r 1956 and in 1958 as compared to 1957? * r f ’ Shri Shahnawax Khan: I have ask ed for notice. Unless I have the •ft wffww nt : XT ?m figures, 1 cannot say anything. «FT^ «nfiw «f 5TST : ter# *Pft 3ft # R I fanner farr * rt Mr. Speaker: Shri Tangamani. Starr | % *wt*r x m f t Shri Bhwal Ohose: When he has no figures, how does he know? nrprr £ Pf *r*isw ^r Mr. Speaker: Order, order. When I ftnw *fhft w f fc*rr, have called an hon. Member, am n W W OTT TVT TT fW T T^TT other hon. Member should rise. v n r Shri Tangamani: Has it been *H bt ? brought to the notice of Goven&nent 7 **$ O’** ***»•*» is anpajBWMK m * o m * * * * * i * m that on the 8th of month at tattkfe the Hawse, I w£U tfio t ttttf* Kodambakam inltfadraa, ttoete was a for it. hOM-up «nd when it w a* reported, the StaUon Master hijnsjolf was stab tte MWlKr aT lllWIMi (flirt bed and th^ere was neither the witeh Jatfh’a* ***)>: Tea. TM * 6* * « m and ward nor railway police on the sufltettttan. Since then I feiriflt « * S P 0 t? have written to your Secretariat W 6 welcome the idea of having a dl*ou»- t t r i Shattikavra* XkMk: Watch and sion for two or three hours, apart Ward are not provided at each and from the budget discussions. every station. They are posted at important stations. In this particular Mr. Speaker: All that I meitft to case, there was a gang of men; they suggest to the hon. Minister was that got drunk and created some distur greater emphasis might be laid on the bance at the station. question of safeguarding not only p ro perty but the people who travel in no * t o : sri^ftor the trains, who are in the stations, then property in the workshop etc. afr ** r r m far ?r We w ill confine ourselves to one as 3 i # «r^ » pect and then discuss the others later, v r^dt f ft? *r *fr ^c'rfw because two or three hours w ill be too short for discussing everything. ftrflr f , waarr * ’ ft x x A 5TTf*rr % ? Sftrf Jagjlvan R an : I have no objec aft n f : xt ?r^r?r tion. I am always prepared to have these matters discussed in the House. »RTT t» ^ f *TTff ^ It is for you to adjust the timings. q- 1ft# qrrefr v Mr. Speaker: I will adjust it. ^ # t i w i t o # jrrsft ^'Tfnrr if srrfHH ^ & ? Shri Jagjlvan Ram: So far as the Railway Ministry or I am concerned, ^ q© m o n w w ; I welcome the idea of having frequeht discussions in the House so that we w 3ft * n f w t, s h fsrm- could profit by the suggestions of hon. n; A * CoriitituthSn WTH tt*A& fcft the way. Tefceo U cH m MM s Bnt let there be 4 dfscutttfon Soth© + retf&edy must be found to avoid all f Shri Jaganatha Rao: t&ebe, At any raie, to create A aenfee I Start N. ft. ftbmlsamy: Security in the minds of the travel- ltfh ^ Shri Narayaaankatty Meaon: HUijg public. The hon. Minister ought j Shri Warior: AVt teet helplerfs merely because the ^ Shri Mohka Swamp: dt*te Government* may not be co- Ordirtattng or co-operating. I.*t us Will the Minister of Railways be discuss this matter. The hon. Minis pleased to date: ter may himself initiate the discus sion and indicate what are the diffi (a) whether it is a fact that Messrs. culties so that the House may give Telco have finally quoted a price of" suggestions or it may be in the form Rs. 3-93 lakhs per locomotive while of a non-official motion. I have no the Railway Board have offered only objection edthetr way. The hon. Rs. 3'75 lakhs per locomotive for the Minister himself may ask for some period commencing 1st April, 1958; time or I will allot time to a non- and official motion. (b ) if so, action ptv>po- Shri Mohammed Imam: Sir, there is Shri Shahnawas Khan: We expect a motion regarding railway accidents that he would be taking up the assign pending before the House for a long ment in the very near future. It time and H has been admitted by yuu. won’t take long. (Interruptions). Shri N. R. Monisamy. May I know whether the difference in cost of Mr. Speaker: I shall Ax up a time. Rs. 18,000 between the price quoted Next question. by the firm and that offered by Gov ernment is due entirely to the over head charges of the Arm on each loco Pandit D. N. TO wa ry The motion motive? What is the charge as com has been accepted by you for discus pared for each locomotive by the sion. There are also thefts and Chittaranjan? dacottie* in railway stations. Shri Shahnawaz Khan: The Chitta Mr. Speaker: I will find out and fix ranjan locomotive is a broad guage a time as early as possible. locomotive and the total cost of 3k. -jurt9 Oral Answer* 18 SEPTEM BER 188* Or*d An*u*n Chittaranjan produced locomotive is Shri tagjkrmn Ram: O f course, on Us. 4 ‘77 lakhs. But a comparison the last occasion the matter was refer -would not be fair. red to the Tariff Commission. Bat Shri PraMuU Kar: What is the this time w « thought that since the "term of reference to the arbitrator? issue was very limited—the difference between Rs. 875,000 and odd and Shri Shahnawax Kban: The ;erm of Rs. 398,000 and odd—it should be •reference is whether the price of 200 referred to one-man arbitration ao locomotives delivered or to be deli ver that the matter could be settled ted by Messrs. Tata Locomotive and earlier. Engineering Co., Ltd., to Government during the period 1st April, 1858 to Contributory ^ Health Scheme :31st March, 1960 should be Rs. 3,92,881 *1S<0. Shri Tangamani: Will the per locomotive as had been quoted Minister of Health be pleased to state: by the Company or Ks. 3,74,994 per locomotive as has "been offered by the (a) whether the Contributory Health Government as calculated by them. Scheme is facing difficulties due to paucity of doctors and other medical Shri N. K. Munisamy: What is the staff; imported cost of a similar loco motive from other countries, say (b) whether the Government ser Japan? vants as well as doctors have been complaining about it; and Shri Shahnawax Khan: Whe have ■not imported any metre gauge loco (c) if so. what steps Government motive since 1955. propose to take to remedy the situa tion? Shri N. ft. Monisamy: What is the (price charged? The Minister of Health I Shri Karmarkar): (a) to (c). A statement Shri Shahnawax Khan: Since 1965 giving the required information ia we have not imported any. placed on the Table of the Sabha. fSee Appendix V, annexure No. 124.] -8hri Sinhasan Singh: What is the basis for this difference of charges Shri Tangamani; In the statement I offered by Government and claimed And that there are as many as 4 by the Company? lakhs of people who are covered by the scheme but there are only 46 Mr. -Speaker; Should it be investi medical officers at present. It works gated here? out at one doctor for 10,000 employee*. Shri Singh: On what basis May I know how many more doctors have they put the price at that figure? are proposed for this year and how many will be taken in? The Minister of Railways (Shri i»ljh n m Ram): The differences are Shri Karmarkar: The 40 medical on various items. Because there is a officers including 11 specialist* were difference between the price offered employed at the commencement of the try the Railway Ministry and the price scheme in 1954, when the number oi quoted by the Company and because beneficiaries was 2,23,000. But, at we could not agree, the matter has present the number of doctors is 181 toeen referred to arbitration. including SO specialists; and 44 addi tional medical men are proposed to M r. Speaker: The matter is in the be appointed. arbitrator’s hands. Shri Tangamani: May I know whe Shri lUinal Oh a—: Why not give it ther the proportion will be kept at "to the Traiff Commission instead of one per thousand as in tha C.0X areferring to » Judge as an ar%itrator? Scheme? O ra l Aruw rra 18 S E P T E M B Z R 1958 Oral An*w*ra 7122 SJirt Km m rttr: We are trying to I mentioned earlier, the receipts have give as adequate service as possible. also increased to Rs 23,46.444. That We have no fixed percentage—so many is the position. medical men to so many patients. If a certain dispensary requires more of Shri Dasappa: May I know when medical men and there is greater these additional 44 posts were sanc crowd there, then we w ill try to sup tioned; and how many of them have plement the strength. since been filled? Shri 8. ML. Banerjee: May I know Shri Karmarkar: I said, it is propos whether it is a fact that the civilian ed to add these subject to the normal Defence employees ^umbering about routine processes if these posts are 8,000 are deprived of the benefits of found to be necessary. this scheme because their places of work are Delhi Cantt. and Shakhur- Shri Hera Barua: May I know the basti? Why this discrimination? number of beneficiaries who report at the dispensaries on the average per Shri Karmarkar: Civil employees day and the number of doctors who under the Government of India? serve them? Shri S. M. Banerjee: The civilian Defence employees of the Govern Shri Karmarkar: The number of ment of India. Their place of work doctors I have already given includ is Delhi Cantt. though they are living ing the specialists. On an average, in Delhi proper and New Delhi. the daily attendance in the dispensa ries has risen up to 10,676 every day Shri Karmarkar: 1 do not know. I at all the dispensaries. The total should like to have notice for giving number treated during that year is the precise answer. We are trying to 32,50.930 cover as much as possible all the Gov ernment of India servants who are Shri Tangamanl; Has it been entitled to the benefits of the scheme. brought to the notice of Government that in Paharganj where there are 4 Dr. 8ushila Nayar: W ill the hon. government colonies there is only one Minister tell us how the cost per dispensary and the dispensary in capita, has worked out as compared Sadr Bazar has been abolished as a with the estimates that were prepared result of which people have to travel at the beginning of the scheme? long distances and most of them have to go to private doctors in spite of Shri Karmarkar: The scheme natu being beneficiaries of this scheme? rally increased in accordance with the increase in the number of the Shri Karmarkar: I should .ike to beneficiaries. The necessary services have "notice of this particular instance and costa also went on progressively mentioned. But, it sometimes hap increasing. As I said aarlier the pens that, owing to the irregular dis figure was 2,23,000 and the Budget ex persal at the number of Government penditure was Rs. 13,87,805 for 1954-55. employees in different places, at a The number of beneficiaries today is particular dispensary the Government about 4 lakhs and our expenditure servants find much inconvenience. A t last year— 1957-58--was Rs. 40,73,750. other places where there is a concen Our receipts have also increased. In trated strength of Government em 1954-55, it w as a part year and so 1 ployees like Vinay Nagar or Xiodi muat five the figure for 1955-56. Our Colony, they are obviously receiving expenditure was Rs. 27.32^42; and eur better service. But, at places where receipt* w ere Rs. 16,55,501. For 1957- the number of beneficiaries are scat 38, as against the expenditure figure tered, we are helpless in the matter. 71*3 ° r*t An*u*t* 18 Sd^'iVMUOAl ills Orat Atihtotr* im p o rt e f ttoe SBurimati Renu Chafcrsvartty And + other eminent hon. Members were » / Sardar IqM Singh : pally to that understanding. ****\Shri sapiurs Wardar Btfeal Singh: May I knew- Will the Minister of Food and Agri- whether this subject »was discussed ia that meeting? (Interruptions.) enltttre be pleased to lay a statement showing; Shri A . M Thomas: With regard to (a) the total Quantity of rice im this particular case I may inform this ported from 1st April, 1958 so far; House that not a single pie can be- paid without the authorisation from (b) the quantity to be imported this House in accordance with the during the remaining period of the terms of the agreement. This House' current financial year; and has allocated a sum of Rs. 22 79 crores to import about 3-3 lakh tons but I (c) the value of lice thus imported think it w ill not be proper to give the or to be imported? figures as to what quantity has been The Depot; Minister of Food and imported so far and what are the Afrievltare (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) possible imports, etc to (c). It is not in the public interest Shri Ranga: What is the price at to disclose such information about which we are purchasing the imported import programme. rice from the different countries? Is Sardar Iqbal Stnfh: May I know it at a higher price than that prevail whether the Government of Thailand ing in this country? has .offered some rice to India and whether that offer has bee.i accepted" Shri A. M. Thomas: We are now importing only from Burma and the Shri A. M. Thomas: I have already S.M.S. quality is £ 32, free on board said that it is not proper that the and fully boiled come> to £ 32‘H. House should insist that information should be given about the import Shortage of Nurses in Delhi programme and our stock position. The trade will, naturally, take ad ^1362. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the- vantage of that and it may also pre Minister of Health be pleased to state: judicially affect our negotiations in (a) whether there is great shortage side as well as outside the country. of nurses in Delhi; The Informal Committee of the Mem bers of Parliament belonging to all (b ) if so, the stsps taken by Gov parties was there and there was more ernment to meet the shortage; and or less an understanding that hon. (c) how far these steps have yield Members would not press for divulg ed results? ing stock position and import pro grammes. The Minister of Health (Shri Karmarkar): (a) There is no great Pandit D, N. Tiwary: May I know shortage of nurses in Delhi. whether in the past the Government was giving information about import (b ) and (c). Do not arise. of rice from Burma and other coun tries? What is the difficulty in giving With regard to part (a), I would that information now? like to add that the hospitals under the Central Government, i.«., S afd ar- Sturt A. M. Thomas: We have all jang and Willingdon Hospitals, are along been giving such information however facing shortage of nurses as but such an understanding w as reached these Hospitals have been aaepftaded in, the Committee which I referred to considerably and are net training wlpert Members belonging to all par centres for nurses like the Irwin ties such as Shri Asoka Mehta, Hospital and the Victoria Zenana 71*5 Or*i Aw rrs 18 8?PTS|IJNHl 1»U Oral 4 H w Xt»i wader the Delhi Administra for lack of adequate personnel, parti tion w d the Municipal Corporation of cularly nuraiBs, and such hospitals Delhi respectively. The shortage of include the Willingdon Hospital and rtes In Delhi ts About 14 per cent, 9- Tuberculosis hospital. the sanctioned strength. Total number of nursing staff of different Shri Karmarkar: I can only say that categories sanctioned for the hospi my hon. friend is entirely in the tal* in Delhi is 781. That is the pre wrong. Owing to the shortage of sent position. beds we have come to a stage to ac commodate patients much against our Sardar Ifbal Singh: The hon. Minis w ill even on the ground. Regarding ter says that there is no shortage. the Delhi Administration, I should May Z know whether any schedule has like to have notice but so far at» I been prepared by the Indian Medical know, there also the accommodation Council or the Nursing Council as to of beds is not sufficient the number of beds for each nurse and whether the strength of the nurses Is sufficient according to that schedule Damedar Valley Project in Delhi? Shri Karmarkar: The general for C Sardar Iqbal Singh: mula adopted in sanctioning the • lie * J 8hrt 8**n> Shri H »thl: The main reason that B.AJK. Loop Line betweea Mfmttta wag advanced by the West Bengal Station «ad TtManga Government was that they would not •1SS4. Shri Tridib Kumar Cfcaa- be in a position to repay the loan ad dbori: W ill the Minister of R ailw ay* vanced by the Central Government. be pleased to state: Sardar Iqbal Singh: May I know (a) whether any Survey has been made and any decision taken for any whether it is a fact that one of the cases was that this project or the new alignment of the B.A.K. loop line targets fixed in the D.V.C. project had between Nimtita station and Tildanga and Barharwa Junction stations, or not been achieved? Is that the for linking up the B.A.K. Loop line reason why the West Bengal Gov after Nimtita station with the Sahlb- ernment has felt to hand over the gunj loop at or aftei the Pakur project to this Government? Station; Shri Hathl: As far as my informa (b ) if so, when the actual work for tion goes, that was not the mam the restoration of the disrupted rail ground. way link at Dhulian Ganga between Nimtita and Tildanga on the B.A.K. Shrimati Rena Chakravarlty: May I loop along the new alignment will be know if it is a fact that the D.V.C. taken in hand; and water supply in the canals even in (c) whether any amount has been this first year of drought has been allotted for this work during the most unsatisfactory and that is one of current year? the reasons why the West Bengal Government felt that it would not be The Deputy Minister of Railways able to utilise the D.V.C. according to (Shri S. V. Ramaswaxny): (a) Pre the promises made? liminary Engineering Survey has been carried out for restoration of through Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudburi: May traffic between Nimtita and Tildanga i know if the Government has taken Stations on a new alignment of the into consideration the severe stric B.A.K. Loop line. ture* in the audit report of the D.V.C. achtfme of nine mi\es doos not realty done now within a year; if not, will solve the problem. he tell us as to when it will be doner Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhari: I am Mr. Speaker: The hon. lady Mem not interested in any nine mile ber only wants to know if, in view o f scheme. I am only interested in the fact that the Irrigation Ministry knowing whether any diversion line has not yet come to any conclusion, it would be constructed. cannot be expedited by having any alternative route. Shri S. V. Bsmuwauuy: The solu tion as submitted already is to take Shri S. V. Ramaawainy: If we mi.4ce- it along the West bank of the Farraka this 9 mile diversion it would be Canal. The Farraka canal has not been an utter waste; therefore, we are decided upon and the Central Water depending upon the Irrigation Minis and Power Commission has not finalis ed the canal scheme. So, it depends try to finalise the scheme. upon that. Shrimati Renu Chakravartty: May Shrimati Renuka Ray: Does tlvs I know from the Ministry of Railways mean that neither the 9 mile diversion the line which they are constructing nor the other is going to be under to connect North Bengal with South taken? Bengal, because we have had no com munication since the partition? Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: It is not a question of having any alternative Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: There are like that; the question is that the 25 plenty of roads, and road traffic is now mile diversion hangs upon the other on the increase. So far as the rail ttking and, therefore, we will have to way line is concerned, the West Bengal expedite the other thing first. Government have suggested the laying of a new line between Pakur and Til- Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhuri: May danga. Even that is only a short-term; I know how this new alignment— measure, and we are thinking definitely either the 25 miles alignment or the of a long-term measure and a more 9 mile alignment—is dependent upon satisfactory solution of the problem. the Farraka Canal, because there was already a line and the Farraka Canal Shri Tridib Kumar Chaadhnrt: May ha« not yet been constructed—God 1 just know how the construction of *' only knows when it will be con new long-term alignment proposed by structed? the Railway Ministry is dependent upon the construction of the Farraka Shri 8. V. Ramaswamy: I would re Canal? quest hon. Members to address the Ministry of Irrigation and Power Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Because with regard to Farraka Canal, and these two will go side by side. As I when they have got a definite answer said, it will go along the west bank from them we shall decide upon this. of the Farraka Canal. Shrtmati Renuka Ray: Are all deci Shri A. C. Guha: Is it the idea o f sions in regard to minor arrangements the Railway Ministry that the trans that have to be made and which are port difficulty from North Bengal and absolutely necessary now dependent North Bihar to Calcutta w ill be solved on the coming in of tha Farraka through road transport and no proper Canal? In view of the fact that the railway line will be provided? Irrigation Ministry has not given any specific date even with regard to the Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: That is not construction of the Farraka Canal, I the idea. would request the hon. Minister to give us some idea as to whether the Shri A. C. Guha: That is what the 9 mil, or the 25 mile route will be hon. Deputy Minister stated. * 7 i j i O ral JLnmufr* IS jSMEPTJSMSIpR 1 9 ** Oral d*worn S hri S. V. I n n n r y m y: Immediately yjaimp rn tw jlu tr Work* u i, •lid temporarily £ha£ «te«ai to 1m the solution tiH w e decide upon a perma + nent solution. • im i J M u i " & i*gh : l v s l' \ Shri Ramji Varna: JDeehnal 4 M u to n i t P n M k Telephone Will the Minister of Food and Agri Call Machines culture be pleased to state: (a) whether the Government Con f Shri Nanshir Biuirucha: troller of the Vishnu Pratap Sugar \Shri Pangarkar: Works, Ltd., Khadda has shown any profit and has improved the machine W ill the Minister of Transport and of the factory; *• OwaomelcatSons be pleased to refer to Um reply given to Starred Question (b) whether Government has decid No. 1876 on the 26th April, 1958 and ed to auction the aaid mill tor the state: realisation of Government dues etc.; and (a ) the time by -which suitable alte (c) if so, what were the dues at the rations in the telephone machines w ill time the factory was taken under con l>e effected to enable people to use trol and what are the present dues? public telephones with the help of decimal coins; and The Minister of Food and Agrtool- tare (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) The finan (b ) the decision taken as to the cial year of the factory will close on "denomination of the new decimal coin 30th September, 1958 and it is expected to be used for the purpose? to make a profit of about Rs. 1 lakh. The Minister of Transport and Coxn- Due to paucity of funds no improve ment in the machinery could be annnteatkms (Shri S. K. P a t il): (a) effected. About six months. (b) Yes. The State Government Essential Supplies (Temporary Powers) the company and it was in a very Act, 1946. I have already stated the heavily involved position. W e are position in 1958. trying to rectify things. Shri Stnhawan Singh: A fter the fac Shri C. D. Pande: I want to know tory has been under the control of whether it is a healthy practice to give Government, either directly or through the control of sugar factories to func somebody else, may I know whether tionaries of the department who are any reduction has been made in the responsible for making the policy in dues of the Government? regard to sugar? Shri A. M. Thomas: No reduction Shri A. M. Thomas: In this parti has been made in the dues of the cular case. Sir, we resorted to that Government. The cane cess and only as a last course. Previously two Income tax for the years 1950-51 to private persons were appointed and, 1958-57 are due and action is being as I said, our experience was dis taken. appointing. Shri Btsbwanath Roy: May 1 know Shri Morarka: May 1 know whether whether any proprietor of the factory the liabilities of this company have is prepared at present to take over increased or decreased after Govern the management and pay the dues in ment took it over in 1955? instalment? Shri A. M. Thomas: O f course, to a certain extent there have been certain Shri A. M. Thomas: With regard to further liabilities also, so that the this point, our experience has been figures have not shown any appreciable rather disappointing. Wb entrusted fall As I said, in 1955 the figures the management of this company with were Rs. 10.40 lakhs and Rs. 27.82 lakhs the biggest shareholder, Rani Rabadi respectively and now it is Rs. 19.08 Devi, but the mill did not work pro lakhs and Rs. 27.09 lakhs. perly. After that we entrusted it with some other person on the recommen Shri Jadhav: May I know what is dation of the State Government, but the cane-crushing capacity of this that also did not work properly. Now sugar factory, and what is the condi Shri K. P. Jain has been appointed tion of the machinery there? the authorised controller and the work is now running more or less satis Shri A. ML Thomas: There has been factorily. an overhauling of the machinery after the authorised controller took charge, Shri C. D. Pande: May 1 know whe and there are no funds available to ther Government is aware that because make any further improvement with of the practice of entrusting the regard to the machinery. I want management of such controlled com notice to answer the question in regard panies like Doiwala, Mohiuddinpur to the capacity of the factory. and Khadda to functionaries of the Shri Stahasan Singh: What about department who are responsible for the auction? May I know whether the making the policy with regard to sugar, auction is going to take place, and other companies in the same trade are the Government going to run the have a grievance against Government? m ill7 8hri A. M. Thomas: As I said, only Shri A. M. Thomas: The auction was now an authorised controller has been fixed for 11th August. A writ petition appointed by Government. Our was filed in the Allahabad High Court experience has been disappointing as by some of the shareholders and far as private persons are concerned. auction has been stayed. 'When the authorised controller took over the management, there were Shri Morarka: May I know whether practically no funds at the disposal of the Government has considered the 193(A) LSD—2 7135 Written Answers 18 SE PTE M B E R 1998 W ritten A m iM r t desirability o f auctioning out some ( w ) v r * ftr r w r | ? body else’s property if the liability of a company has increased after the Government had taken over the («ftw o«»4w ): management? ( v ) (w ). Shri A. M. Thomas: The major ( contour bunding ) , csrfipr portion of the amount is that which has been incurred before the Govern ( gully plugging ) aHf ment had taken over. f ^ f r ttwt ^ arr f i WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ^ j^ hw Manufacturing of Aircraft Refueller f^rT mrr | i f k ftw ft % *ftr»r # *r *1352. Shri Damani: W ill the Minis ter of Transport and Communications '-Hf*T*T «FT T W f«PT fersrr W ft t be pleased to state: fitefttr jffaRT % *RT !TP ? «FPT (a ) whether the Standard Vacuum «r*r ?,voo TTjfrrf * r JTWnr £ i Oil Company has succeeded in manu facturing an aircraft refueller in India; (b ) if so, the extent of indigenous anrtf%ttx. inrr *?r parts used in its manufacture; and VRRT fTT^ % few 3PC (c) how does this refueller compare h % sfcff ?rrf> »ffcr ?rv, f*r*rrf with the imported one as far as its performance and cost are concerned? jmfr ^ gwr 35^ t^rnr $ ar*rTT srfr ftwnrf % « t*t ?r»Tm' art The Deputy Minister of Civil Avia tion (Shri Mohiuddln): (a ) Yes, Sir. ^ $ » (b ) The cost of the indigenous parts used in the manufacture of the refuel ler is reported to be approximately ftpmm ntw 3 #« 50 per cent, of the total cost. (c ) The cost of the refueller (Under «nr F rn m wing Turbo refueller 2400 Imperial frqrr w rfr f»F : Gallon capacity), fabricated by the Standard Vacuum Oil Company is (*r) apmr? sr^sr estimated at Rs. 90,000 while the cost of an imported refueller of a similar * #«ft % «wf t o pm fr ^ type and design is Rs. 1,40,000 approxi P o t $ ; xftx mately. As regards the performance, the Oil Company claims that this re ( w ) 'ttIt v r ?nr w p ft f w r fueller compares quite favourably with the imported one. ^rzprr ? fw w w urift («ft ¥ T * r w r ) : ( * ) ftw ft ^ m w ct* i m sr»»m : «wr (w ) ?pfr tfw rtf «W te- q fr ^ r ft t i tnqf- v4wrf<«ff v r ?*n*fr *tt h w & (*?) fewft 3 *jf*r afrr % ?nrn?r v r f^ 'rzm «rftsp| anrrr % ^rnr f a * ^ f w arnrr | * 7137 Written Answers 18 SE PTE M B E R 1998 Written Answers ratoaitar of Chemical* tion No. 1997 on the 8th May, 1958 and state: *1SW. Shrimati P a m th l Krishnan: Will the Minister of Transport and (a) whether the enquiry for the ftnmnunlr■♦ionii be pleased to state: causes of the damage done to the boilers of the dredger. ‘S.D. Lord ( a ) whether certain chemicals Willingdon’ of Cochin Port has since caught fire and exploded while being been conducted; and unloaded on the 31st July, 1968 at the Mole Station in Ballard Pier at Bom (b ) if so, the findings of the bay Port; enquiry? (b ) if so, what w^re the chemicals; The Minister of State in the Minis (c ) what were the circumstances try of Transport and Communications under which they exploded; and (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a ) Yes. An enquiry was conducted by the Deputy (d ) what steps are proposed to be Conservator, Cochin Port, with the taken to prevent such accidents in assistance of the Engineer and Ship future? Surveyor, Mercantile Marine Depart The Minister of State in the Minis ment, Cochin. try of Transport and Communications (b ) A statement is laid on the Table (S h ri KaJ B ah adu r): A statement is of the Lok Sabha. laid on the Table of the Sabha. [See Appendix V, annexure No. 125.] S t a t e m e n t Wares of Port Workers Only the central furnace of the aft starboard boiler had been badly *1368. Shri Anthony F ilial: W ill the damaged. The other furnace had Minister of Transport and Communi suffered only slight damage. The pre cations be pleased to state: sence of oil deposits and excessive carbon deposits on the central furnace (a) what is the minimum wage resulting in the overheating of the worked out on a daily basis paid to furnace were the contributory causes permanent unskilled workers and to of the accident. Efforts should be temporary casual workers employed made by the authorities to carry out by the port authorities of Bombay, necessary investigations into this Calcutta and Madras; and aspect for rectifying the position. (b ) whether any steps are being taken to equalise them? Bridge at Nautghat (Uttar Pradesh) The Minister of State in the Minis *1378. Dr. Sushila Nayar: W ill the try of Transport and Communications Minister of Transport and Communi (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a ) A statement cations be pleased to state: giving the information is laid on the Table of the House. [See Appendix (a ) the stage of progress of the con V, annexure No. 126.] struction of the bridge over the river Betwa at Nautghat in Jhansi District (b ) No change in the existing posi of Uttar Pradesh; tion is contemplated. (b ) what is the amount of assistance Dredger—‘Lord Wlllingdon* given or proposed to be given to the State Government for the construction *1389. Shri Narayanankutty Meaon: of this bridge; and 17111 the Minister of Transport and Communications be pleased to refer (c ) in case no assistance has, been to the reply given to Starred Ques given so far the reasons therefor? W ritten Answtrt 18 SEPTKMBXB 1888 Written Answ«r$ 7140 The Minister of Stat* la the Minis District (Himachal Pradesh) is run try of Transport and Communications ning at a loss; (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) The work of (b) il so, what is the loss per month; construction of the bridge has not and commenced so far. (c) the amount spent per month? (b ) and (c). The matter is under correspondence with the States of The Minister of Food and Agricul yttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh as ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) Ifce farm to the sharing of cost and the type of at Katindhi Kataula is not a D airy bridge. Subject to the settlement of Farm; it is a cattle breeding farm these points, a grant equal to l]3rd which has been set up recently with of the cost upto a maximum of Rs. 8 a view to evolve superior types o f lakhs is proposed to be made for the pedigree bulls. bridge. The remaining cost is expect* (b ) Since the scheme is of research ed to be shared equally by the States and experimental nature the question of Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. of loss or profit does not arise. Bollock Carts (c) The total expenditure Incurred •1371. Shri Chandak: W ill the upto 31st July, 1958 is Rs. 2,16,9S1. Minister of Transport and Communi cations be pleased to state: C.D. and N.E.S. Blocks (a) whether the Transport Advisory *1373. Shri Raghnhir Sahai: W ill Council, in April, 19S1, sanctioned the Minister of Community Develop Rs. 50,000 from the Central Road Fund ment be pleased to state the criteria to be spent on the improvement of on which the CD and NES blocks are bullock cart wheels. started in a district? (b ) if so, how that money has been The Minister of Community Develop utilised and how many bullock cart ment (Shri S. K. D e y ): The selection wheels have been improved with that of areas is made by State Govern amount; „ ments, having regard especially to the (c) whether the Planning Commis following criteria— sion suggested in January, 1956 that ( 1) scope for agricultural develop grants may be given from the Central ment; Road Fund for the improvement of (2) contiguity to existing blocks; bullock carts,* (3) adequate representation for (d ) what steps did the Government backward areas; take to implement the suggestion of (4) preference to Gramdan the Planning Commission; and villages; (e ) what is the present programme (5) proximity of Extension train for improving the bullock carts? ing and research Centres. The Minister of State In the Minis try of Transport and Communications Mileage of Railway Track (Shri Ra] Bahadur): (a ) to (e). A statement is laid on the Table of the *1374. Shrimati Maflda Ahmed: W ill Sabha. [See Appendix V, annexure the Minister of Railways be pleased No. 127.] to state-, (a ) the present mileage of R ailw ay Dairy Farm in Himachal Pradesh Track which is under speed restric i m . Shri A . K. Gopalan: W ill the tions due to arrears of replacement o f Minister of Food and Agriculture be sleepers; and pleased to state: (b ) if so, what measures Govern (a)c whether the Government Dairy ment have undertaken to expedite the Farm at Katindhi Kataula in Mandl work? *J H l W ritten Answer* 18 SEPTEM BER 1998 W ritten Answers 714ft The Depot; MtaMtr of Railway* Sabha. [See Appendix V, annexure (Shri S. V. Bamuwamy): (a) On 31st No. 128.] March 1958 about 240 miles of track was under speed restriction due to The estimates of milk production in arrears of replacement of sleepers 1950 are based on ad hoc estimates of only. Besides this, there were approxi milk yields of cow and buffalo after mately 1900 mites under speed restric partition, while the estimates of pro tion due to arrears of replacement of duction in 1951 as well as 1956 are rails and/or sleepers. based on a survey enquiry conducted in 1955. Hence the production figures (b ) Sleeper renewal on about 100 for 1956 are comparable with those miles is in hand. Renewal of the for 1951. balance w ill depend on the avail ability of funds, materials, and priori (b ) and (c). No annual survey has ties of the sections concerned. been conducted. A comparison of the estimates of production for 1951 and Railway Line te Tripura 1956 shows that there has been an increase in the production of milk *1375. Shri Dasaratha Deb: W ill the during the last five years. Minister of Railways be pleased to state: Railway Over-bridge at Manmad (a) whether Government have under consideration a proposal for •U77. Shri Jadhav: Will the Minis providing a rail link between Tripura ter of Railways pleased to refer to and Assam through an all India route; the reply given to Starred Question and No. 469 on the 25th August, 1958 and (b ) if so, the nature thereof? state: The Deputy Minister of Railways (a) the time by which the revised (S h ri S. V. Ram aswam y): (a) No, Sir. design and estimates of the Kailway The limitations of funds and materials over-bridge at Manmad w ill be com have so far hindered consideration of pleted; even restricted proposals for railway extensions into the State during the (b ) how many gates are there at Second Plan Period. The position is, the level crossing on the road which however, under frequent review. goes from Manmad to Yeola; and (b ) Does not arise. (c) whether the work will begin on the over-bridge in the current finan Milk Production cial year? •lS7f. Pandit Thakur Das Rhargava: The Deputy Minister Railways W ill the Minister of Pood and Agri of culture be pleased to state: (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) The revised designs have since been fina (a ) what was the total production lised by the Railway. The revised e i milk from cows and buffaloes estimate is under preparation and is separately in the years 1950 and 1956; expected to be ready in a month’s time. (b) whether there has been any gradual decrease each year or whether (b ) There are 3 sets of gates in the there was an abrupt decrease; and yard at Manmad on the Manmad- (c ) if gradual, the rate of decrease Yeola Road. each year? (c) This will depend upon the The Minister of Foed and Agrical- receipt of the Bombay Government’s tara (Shri A. P. lata): (a) A state approval of the plan and acceptance ment is laid on the Table of the of the cost of the work. W ritten Answers 18 8SPTBM BIB 105* W rftter Answers 7*44 Statement : vrt * w i *nft *r^ ’r^TR' s? rShri Ram K f U t u ; * st*£ f w t > I Sutlir Iqbal Singh: *1882. J Shri D. C. Bharma: (* r ) vtt f t v r ?rf[ I Shri Hem Raj: [_Shri Daljli Singh: t ft? v ®rft?r ftrft**pp «nr ^rnrr | xftx sfpfr % atonr Will the Minister of Irrigation and P ow er be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have re (*r) y r v R wr v r ^rt ceived any scheme for construction of Dam on the R iver Beas; W d*t> pHTT ^ ? (b ) if so, the details of the scheme; VTOTUT): (*>) and sft f t 1 (c) whether the same has been approved? (*T) V TfW ^FT % ft # °fr, %■ The Deputy Minister of Irrigation and Power (Shri Hathi): (a) No, Sir. *srnr t w n * ^ (b) Investigations by the Govern % I ?fr '»ft 5T%5FT STSIT^H % ment of Punjab are in progress. vi «Ptf jmrar vtvtt $ frsr (c) Does not arise. ^ tr*r % w n r ** Food Situation tn Bihar & $ 1 •1*83. Pandit D. N. Tiwary: Will (*t) ^ ft^ni sr^r % the Minister of Food and Agriculture jRmnr % f^rnr^r ^ 1 be pleased to state the quantity of foodgrains asked for by the Bihar Government and the quantity supplied Convention regarding Ship Owners’ from May to July, 1958T Liability The Minister of Food and Agricnl- *1385. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the outore <8hri A. P. Jain): The quan Minister of Transport and Communi tity of foodgrains supplied to Bihar cations be pleased to state: Government from May to July, 1958 (a ) whether India has ratified the amounted to about 269 thousand tons convention on ship owners’ liability: including direct deliveries from the and Central Depots to retailers. These (b ) if not, the reasons therefor? supplies practically met the demand o f Bihar in full. The Minister of State in the Minis try of Transport and Communications In addition, a quantity of about (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a ) No. 11,000 tons of wheat was supplied to the Roller Flour Mills in Bihar during (b ) The matter is still under con the above mentioned period. sideration in consultation with the interests concerned. tftrniw 3 vltK Recruitment to Railway Protection Faroe. t o tw : VTT w n ft? : ,ltM fShrl Subodh Hansda: ****• ^S h ri S. C. Samanta: (%) «wt «r£ »mj*r t W ill the Minister of Railways be ft? W f a«n ftfWf * qfircfoH be pleased to refer to the reply gfven W ritten Answers 18 SEPTEMBER 1888 Written Answers 7148 to Unstarred Question No. 1740 on shippers and Co-operative Societies the 27th March, 1858 and state: and 40 per cent, to new shippers. (b ) if so, the nature thereof; and * * * « : « . aft snrwrc: w (c) the progress made in making w i w inn up the quota reserved in the Railway f v : Protection Force for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes on Eastern and (>F) W susft, 5Tt South Eastern Railways? The Depaty Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) Yes. (m ) irfir eft v t (b) and (c). The decision to reduce the standard of height from 5’-6" to fvTT°T TqT $ ; 6’-3” was taken on 4th September, 1958 and the Railways have not had (»t) w t time to undertake recruitment to new r t fW t JTtJnn r * fir^TT fipn ^ standards. (*) fVw wr qr *arr Allotment of Shipping Space for Exports *1i n / ®bri Tangamanl: o t t o ^Shri Kodlyan: : Will the Minister of Transport and Commnnicatkma be pleased to state: (s r) q;ar ^ptt imr T9 f?PTr *TOT £ 1 [frfipp? qftforer (a) whether representations have been received from Nagapattinam WWT Port, Madras State about difficulties in ( « i ) ^ q fw T tl getting shipping space for export of onions to Malaya; *Ftf qYanrr vpft ?PfT # JTT | (b ) what is the basis of allotment of 3 1 shipping; and ( * ) j t r 1 *r*,i 1 (c ) what steps are proposed for im proving the situation? Freighter Accident *1389. Shrimati MjJUU Ahm ad: W ill The Minister of State in the Minis the Minister of Transport and Com try of Transport and Communications munications be pleased to state: (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a ) No, Sir. No representations appear ro have been (a ) whether it is a fact that s received recently. Panamanian Freighter S.S. Theodora met with an accident about 10 miles (b) It is understood that the shipp off from Port Okha (Saurashtra); and ing companies concerned allot the available shipping space on the basis (b) if so, the estimated value of the o f 60, per cent to the old established cargo lost abroad? 7 *49 Written Answ er* 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Written Answers 7150 The Minister of State In the Minis the demand side of credit and also try a t fn u u v w t and CoramunksatWms the study of the working of various (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Yes. types of cooperatives have been com pleted; and (b) Not yet known as the vessel is still in the hands of the salvers. (b ) if so, the conclusions arrived at regarding the credit situation in the rural sector? Floods tat Bihar The Minister of Food and Agricul rShrt Shree Narayan Das: ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a ) Yes, Sir. H IM . J Shri Radha Raman: \_Dr. Baq, Subhag Singh: (b) The drafting of the district reports is now on hand in the Re W ill the Minister of Food and serve Bank of India. A general re Agriculture be pleased to state: port embodying the findings of the (a ) whether it is a fact that large survey w ill be issued after the pre areas in Bihar specially its northern paration of district reports. parts have been inundated by floods in almost all the rivers there; Transport Co-operattre Societies (b) if so, the nature and extent of • is * s S Shri Bam Krlshan: damage caused; \ Sardar Iqbal Singh: (c ) whether it is a fact that standing Will the Minister of Transport and bhadai crops and transplanted paddy Communications be pleased to state: are almost wholly destroyed; (d ) whether the State has sought (a ) whether a scheme to set up the help of the Centre to meet the situ transport co-operative societies of ation created by high floods; and educated unemployed for long dis tance operations is under consider (e ) if so, the nature of help sought ation; and the extent to which the Centre has decided to give such help? (b) if so, the salient features of the scheme: The Minister of Food and Agricul ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) to (c). (c) whether any financial alloca The Government of Bihar have re tions have been made in this regard ported that large areas of North to the State Governments; Bihar have been inundated by floods (d ) if so. the amount so allocated and there has been considerable (State-wise); and damage to Bhadai and Aghani crops. Roads, bridges, culverts and other (e) the progreat made so far? public properties have also been damaged. The actual loss has not Hie Minister of State in the Minis been assessed as yet. try of Transport and Communic ations (Shri Raj Bahadur): A statement (d ) No. giving the required information is laid on the Table of the Rouse. [See (e ) Does not arise. Appendix V, annexure No. 130.) Bond Credit Convention regarding Stowaways •11M. Shri Shree Narayan Das: Will the Minister of Food and Agri *1393. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the culture be pleased to refer to the reply Minister of Transport and Communi given to the Starred Question No. 71 cations be pleased to state: on the 12th November, 1057, and state: (a ) whether India has ratified the (a ) whether the field investigations convention relating to stowaways tor n—wiring significant changes on adopted at Brussels; 7 *5 * Written Answers 18 SEPTEMBER 1688 Written Answer* ' 7 * 5 * (b ) if so, when; and (w ) ?t, ?ft 'fa r * Sr (c ) if not, the reasons therefor? T O q « 'JTPT ^TI WRIWW The Minister of State in the BUnls- snrnrr *r*rr | ; «rtr try of Transport and Communication* (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a ) No. (*r) 5T f K n fiprr'Tw # vhrrr (b ) Does not arise. % ftr# wwr snr^ fw r t ? (c) The matter is still under con sideration in consultation with the interests concerned. m w r vftr (*h mo vr<> mu) : ( * ) ^ it* w wtm, *wt ?pt Food Situation In West Bengal apt | f%*rr«r?T Shri Subodh Hansda: Tarnr ^ ^ ^ f i Shri S. C. Samanta: (w) %fh: (n). tn^r *r£r » W ill the Minister of Food and A gri culture be pleased to state: Departmental Catering (a ) the impreseions of his tour in the month of July, 1958 in West Bengal J Shri Ram Krlahan: regarding the food position in rural \Sardar Iqbal Singh: areas; Will the Minister of Railways be (b ) whether it is a fact that people pleased to state: urged upon him to supply rice and to stop wheat supply; and (a ) the names of Railway stations on which departmental catering has (c) if so, whether any action has been introduced so far, Zone-wise; and been taken in this direction? (b ) the names of Railway stations on which departmental catering will The Minister of Food and Agricul be introduced during 1958-59 Zone- ture (Shri A. P. Jain): fa) to (c). In wise? a short visit, it was not possible to study closely the position of the rural The Deputy Minister of Railways areas but there were, difficulties of (Shri Shahnawax Khan): (a) A state varying degree in some parts which I ment is laid on the Table of the Lok visited. There was no general de Sabha. [See Appendix V, annexure mand for supply of rice only. In one No. 131.] place, the question was raised and addressing a large gathering, I pointed (b ) Eastern Railway. out the difficulties about the supply o f rice. On the whole they appreciat (i) Ranaghat. ed our difficulties. M y general im (ii) Burdwan. pression is that people in West Bengal can easily acquire a liking for wheat Construction of River Bridges In Bombay *265. Shri Fucufcat: Will the W* : «PTT m m W T Minister of Transport aad CemmnBi- MtioM be pleased to state: fr f* ?*rT ftp : (a) the amount granted by the («f) w r unrrar % 't^rw Central Government to Bombay State f^RTVFT «ift *T*IT for the construction of bridge* over rivers during the Second Five Year ; Plan; and W ritten Answer* 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Written An*v>era 7154- (b ) the names of briclgea completed (b) The location of the farms is de in the First Five Year Plan period? cided by the State Governments on the basis of one farm of 25 acres each The Minister of State in the Minis in every CD/NES Block. A statement try of Transport and Communications showing the Blocks and Districts in (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a ) and (b ). The which the Farms have so far been Information is being collected and established is laid on the Table of the w ill be laid on the Table of the Sabha Lok Sabha. tSee appendix V, annex- in due course. ure No. 132.] Casual Labourers Recruited on Contributory Health Service Scheme Central Railway 2269. Shri Sadira Ram: W ill the 2266. Shri Pangarkar: W ill the Minister of Health be pleased to state: Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (a ) whether it is a fact that a staff council for the Contributory Health. (a ) the number of casual labourers Service Scheme has since been con recruited during the year 1958 so far stituted; in the Central Railway; and (b) if so, when; and (b ) the terms on which they are appointed? fc) how many meetings have so far been held? The Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a ) 55,503. The Minister of Health (Shri Kar- markar); (a ) and (b ). Yes. Staff (b ) They are given market rates Councils for Class III and Class IV of wages or minimum wage if sub staff of the Contributory Health Ser ject to the Minimum Wages Act. vice Scheme have been set up during the current year. Terminal Tax on Central Railways (c) Both the Stall Councils of Class III and Class IV staff met only once 2267. Shri Pangarkar: W ill the during the year, namely, on the 20ih Minister of Railways be pleased to August, 1958 and 22nd August, 1958, state the number of places where respectively. terminal tax is proposed to be intro duced on the Central Railway? Through Train between Lnmding The Deputy Minister of Railways Badarpvr (Shri Shahnawax Khan): At the pre 2270. Shrimati Maflda Ahmed: W ill sent no proposal in this connection is the Minister of Railways be pleased under consideration. to state: Seed Farms in Andhra (a ) the number of occasions and durations for which the through run 2268. Shri M. V. Krishna Rao: W ill ning of train between Lumding and' the Minister of Food and Agriculture Badarpur of N.E.F. Railway was • be pleased to state: stopped during the period from 1st May, 1958 to 15th August, 1958; and (a) the amount allotted to Andhra Pradesh Government for the establish (b ) what measures are in hand to ment of seed multiplication farms as eliminate such dislocation in through subsidy during 1958-59;-and running of trains? (b ) the names of the farms? The Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) During The Mtnhtur c t Food and Agricul the period from 1st May to 15th' ture (Shri A. F. Jain): (a ) Rs. 18.52 August, 1958, through running of grains was interrupted between Tjiwwiiwg and* 7155 Written Answer* 18 SE PTE M B E R 1958 W ritten Answers .Badarpur on ten occasions for a total account of accidents, breaches and duration of 186 hrs. 40 minutes on slips as detailed below: Date Duration of Reason* interruptions Hr*. Mu. 9-5-58 6 00 Breaches Sc Slips 11-5-58 • 5 00 Do. *9-5-58 to \ las 40 Do. 34-5-58 / • 6 6-6-38 • 6 20 Accident 7-6-58 a 50 Do. <-7-58 • 7 10 Do. 9-7-58 6 45 Breaches & Slips ■31-7-58 • * 15 Accident 27-7-58 • x 20 Breaches & Slips 30-7-58 23 20 Accident. (b ) Train services on this H ill sec- and/or boudlers, from sliding ~tion are generally dislocated due to or slipping. slips and washouts, which are natural phenomena and cannot be complete (v ) When erosion is suspected ly eradicated. However, the following groynes etc. are provided to measures have been taken or are divert course of water. proposed to be taken to prevent such (v i) Sausages have been provided ^dislocations, as far as feasible. to protect Banks and Bridge approaches. Regarding Accidents (vii) Permanent restoration of (i) Staff are being given re track between Mahur and fresher training when neces Dautohaja w ill be undertaken sary. shortly at an estimated cost of Rs. 77,000. (ii) Safety organisation has al ready been formed for scru Ttcketleos Travel tinising irregularities and educating staff in correct 2271. Skrtmatt Maflda Ahmed: W ill methods of working. the Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (iii) Prompt and adequate dis ciplinary action being (a ) the number of occasions ra taken against staff at fault. which high officials above the rank of T.T.E. or ticket collector exercised Regarding Breaches and Slips. check of ticketless travel in Assam Section of N.E.F. Railway; and M eter G uce Line Into Broad O ufe The Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri 8. V. Ramaswamy): (a) The 2275. Shri M. V. K rtafana I m : W ill total number of Railway Stations on the Minister of R ailw ays be pleased the Western Railway, open for traffic, ■to refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 177 on the 15th Novem- as on 31st March, 1958, was 1,280. *ber, 1957 and state at what stage is The Deputy Minister of Railways 2278. Shri Kumbhar: Will the Minis < 8 h ri S. V. Ramaswamy): A survey of ter of Food and Agriculture be pleased the project has been sanctioned but to state: •not yet commenced. (a) whether the amount allotted for Grow More Food Campaign to Orissa Development of Agriculture In State during 1957-58 and 1958-59 so far has been fully utilised; 2276. Shri Onkar Lai: W ill the (b ) if not, the reasons therefor; and Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state: (c) how far it has been helpful in increasing the food production in the (a) the amount given to Rajasthan State? •Government for development of Agri- •culture during the years 1957-58 and 1958-59; and The Minister of Food and Agricul ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) to (c). (b) the amount asked for during the The required information is being col same period? lected and will be placed on the Table of the Sabha in due course. The Minister of Food and Agricul ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) Allocations *nade for Central Assistance for the .Agriculture Sector are as under: Road and Inland Water Transport (Rs. in lakhs) Advisory Committee 1957-58 .. 181.69 1958-59 .. 170.18 2279. Shri Subodh Haosda: W ill the (b) The Annual Plan for 1958-59 Minister of Transport and Communi submitted by the State envisaged a cations be pleased to state: •Central Assistance of Rs. 175'31 lakhs (a) whether the Road and Inland for the Agriculture Sector. Similar Water Transport Advisory Commitee Information for 1957-58, however, is has been set up; not readily available and is being collected. (b) if so, whether it has made any recommendations to Government; and Railway Stations on Western Railway (c) what are those recommenda 2277. Shri Onkar L a i: Will the tions? Minister of R ailw ays be pleased to .state: The Minister of State in the Minis try of Transport and Communications (a) the total number of Railway (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Yes. The Stations on Western Railway during first meeting of the Committee is 1957-58; and likely to be held in October, 1958, (lb) the total number of new stations constructed during that year? (b ) and (c). Do not arise. 7 t 6 l W ritten Answers 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Written Answers 7162 B oles trader llrer Boards Act, 1956 works is the responsibility and Inter State Water Dispute Act, of the Village Project Com 1956 mittee and the Agricultural Inspectors. 2280. Shri Bam Krlahan: W ill the Minister of Irrigation and Power be 2. Jammu and Kashmir: No need pleased to state: for such legislation has been felt so far. (a ) whether the rules under the River Boards Act, 1956 and the Inter 3. West Bengal: No special legis State Water Dispute Act 1906 have lation for maintenance of been finalised; and such works has been consi y dered necessary. (b) if so, the details thereof? The Deputy Minister of Irrigation Late Arrival of Trains and Power J Shri Bam Krlshan: The Deputy Minister of Railways \ Sardar Iqbal Singh: (Shri Shahnawam Khan): (a) No, but sometimes certain trains coming from Will the Minister of Food and Agri Gurgaon, Rohtak and Panipat side are culture be pleased to state: unavoidably detained outside signals due to reception difficulties at Delhi (a ) the names of the States which Main station. have not enacted legislation so far for (b ) To cope with the increased the maintenance of existing minor volume of traffic, the remodelling of irrigation works; and Delhi Main yard is already in hand. (b ) the action ta^ien by Govern On completion of this work, such de tentions will be minimised to a great ment for enactment of such legislation in States? extent. The Minister of Food and Agricul Soil Conservation In Punjab ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a ) Assam, Jammu and Kashmir and West Ben 2283. Shri D. C. Sharma: W ill the gal has not enacted such legislation. Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state whether any soil (b) The position in the above States conservation scheme has been sent is as under:— by the Punjab Government for the 1. Assam: No legislation is con year 1958-59? sidered necessary as under Departmental Rules the main The Minister of Food and Agricul tenance of minor irrigation ture (Shri A. P. Iain): Yes, Sir. The 7 l63 Written Answers 18 S8PTKMBg.il 1998 Written Annoera 7 l$ 4 following Soil Conservation Schemes been approved to r execution during sent by the Punjab Government have 1958-59:— Outlay approved for i9S«-59 including central SI. Name of the Scheme and state share Ko. (in lakhs) i. Afforestation of hills behind the Capital at Chandigarh 0 14 2. Sand fixation experiment in Hissar District . . n 0*02 3. Anti-erOsion measures in Kulu Sub-division (excluding Spiti and Lahaul areas) and in the catchment area (Part) of Bhakra I 90 4- Operating and maintaining of soil conservation demonstration centre in Punjab-Water erosion scheme in Hoshiarpur District ...... o-X9 Cho-training including Chcckdamming and Gully-plugging 5- O 0 in Catchment area in Ambala District . . . . 6. Prevention of erosion from sloping agricultural lands in Gurgaon District ...... 0-03 7.Cho-training including Checkdamming and Gully Plugging in Hoshiarpur District ...... 005 8.Terracing and watt-bandi including spilj-ways in Ambala District ...... 0-09 9.Soil Conservation and Contour-Bunding etc. in private lands in Gurdaspur District ...... o- 15 IO.Terracing and watt-bandi including spill-ways in Hoshiar pur District ...... o-10 II.Terracing and watt-bandi operations in Kangra District • 0-38 12. Desert Control and Reclamation in Gurgaon, Hissar and Ferozeput Districts bordering on Rajasthan 124 13- Soil Conservation over Siwaliks ..... 200 14.Afforestation of Bhakra Dam Catchment area . » 0 94 15- Afforestation of the catchment of Asni and Giri Rivers • X-07 16. Immobilization of Desert ...... 1-72 17- Soil Conservation works in the Catchment areas of Patiala Rao and Sukhna Cho near Chandigarh .... o- 50 18.Soil Conservation works in agricultural and gullied lands 0-52 T otal .... 11*14 (Scheme not eligible for Centra! Attistonce') I.Construction cf water storage Dams in Gurdaspur Disft. . 0*05 • Grand T otal 11-19 <7 x65 Wrtttoit Anetoerv 18 SEPTEMBER 1658 Written A n n otrt 7 x66 l, w i h w m d from PaUk Call OAoes w y ifiw fiwrw nifl («ft tM i Shri D. C. Sharma: W ill the i) : (v ) *5t?i v r *ftz Minister of Tnuapsrt u 4 Communi- v frr fSwn^ % vr*r w H o w be pleased to state the amount o f low incurred during 1958 (upto the %^m?r i r o f%* *GY 31st August, 1958) from Public Tele t r n t $ : phone Call Offices in New Delhi due to insertion of bad coins etc.? «^ rf *ffr !rse The Minister of Transport and Com *pt# mrr munications (Shri S. K. Patil): Rs. 2755.72 nP. * U X.vv.^ Tries of Paddy and Rice in Punjab \ , o ^ I t * 1? 2285. Shri D. C. Sharma: W ill the Minister of Food and Agriculture be (w ) n|f \ pleased to state what is the basis on which the price of paddy and rice is ft w ft% «rNf * «St t o qrtm vnhF«T &TTC ffJff »mT | ? aft m w SPOT** : *PTT fiwnw inr frrr gw ft («ft tnjnnnv irt) : (>p ) *np *ffr ?nr fsnrm ^ ftp : v ^?pfr *-.? *rr»r $ m , 5*r 'R f W u ras i.e. whether cultivation w as In creased or decreased; *r «w*mrer: WRVft (b ) the quantity of quinine extracted sttft 1 in 1956, 1957 and 1958; *rr«:— % SriR-is wiuiPw *** (c) the quantity exported and the quantity consumed in the country; ? T?r* q r httt# v (d) whether any use other than, v( *n, ^ JiiR anti-malarial has been found out for S#*Fff *TT ?TT#^f Hard&ge Medical College fend Hos (c) Possession over the remaining pital during 1998*89 lor training in area could not be given as it was in M idwifery or Health Visitors’ Course. actual occupation of tribe Is. Allotment of Land in Tripura Earnings on Ramgarh Cantonment Station and Mori Junction £291. Sind Bangahi Thakur: W ill the Minister of Food and Agriculture be 2292. Shri B. Das Gupta: W ill the pleased to state: Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (a) what is the total area of land (a ) what have been the average granted to the Swasti Samity Ltd. of warnings from coaching, from Jan- Kanchanpur of Dharmanagar Sub- viry, to June, 1958 in the Ramgarh Division in Tripura; Cantonment Station and Muri Junc (b ) whether all the lands granted tion on the South-Eastern Railway by the Tripura Administration have respectively; and been taken over by the Samity; and (b) how many coaching clerks (c) if not, the reasons therefor? have been posted at Muri Junction and Ramgarh Cantonment Station? The Minister of Food and Agricnl- tiire (Shri A. P. Jain): (a ) 6400 acrcs. The Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a ) The (b ) No, Sir. An area of about 5139 average amount collected per month, acres has been handed over to the on coaching traffic, during January, Samity. to June, 1958, was as follows:— At Ramgarh Cantonment Rs. 40,000 - approximately. and at Muri Junction Rs. 31,000 - approximately. (b) Coaching Clerks posted : at Ramgarh Cantonment . one and at Muri Junction Two. Hydro-Electric Schemes the Table of the Lok Sabha. [See Ap pendix V, annexure No. 135.] 229S. Shri Mohamed Imam: W ill the Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to state: I.C.AJK. (a) whether it is a fact that Hydro- £294. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the Electric Schemes have been classified Minister of Food and Agriculture be as “core and non-core project” ; pleased to state: (b ) the names of power schemes in (a ) whether the Indian Council of cluded under the ‘core’ of the Plan Agricultural Research, Indian Central in Madras, Mysore, Andhra and Cotton Committee and the Indian Kerala; and Central Oilseeds Committee are esta (c ) the names of projects included blishing joint research stations; under core of the Plan in Uttar Pra (b ) names of places where these desh, Bibar, Bombay, Madhya Pra centres will be established; and desh, Punjab and West Bengal? The Depot? Minister of Irrigation (c) nature of research to be under aad Power (Shri Hathi): (a) Yes, Sir. taken in these centres? (b ) and (c). Tw o statements, giving The Minister of Food and Agrlenl- the required information, are laid on twe (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) to (c ). A, 7X71 Written Amtvirt 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Written Ansv>*r$ 7X7* jrtatement giving the required informa fy w m sftir *f finwft fwiwr tion la laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha. [5 «* Appendix V, annexure W V *t «ra : w t ft w t f No. 136]. dhr ftNwnrfr jt* *tm 4ft im *¥$ f a : stn «f wtfaHtvi (■f ) ^rr ^Rvrr ftfw | «m *w: w t wufwt f% iTFfrfy (3WT *r*t *rf s m f^T«m VT5TT iftK ^ ^ R T 3PT %• ^T- w r % fair «rnw* irw’v Pwr *w t w H t f*r v t $rvPT vr*f (*r) ver vtipn 'vN t w w ( ( t ) tft I =avhft (»#t « if ( d ) i f bo, the nature thereof? Stats G o v e r n m e n t s The Minister'o f Food and Agricul Andhra Pradesh ture (Shri A. P. lain): (a) to (d). A statement is laid on the Table of the 8. Shri C. Narasimhan, I.A.S., A d Lok Sabha. [See Appendix V, an- ditional Development Commissioner. nexure No. 137]. 6. Shri S. A. Quader, Chief Engineer Power System of Southern States (Electricity). r U41. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the Kerala Minister of Irrigation and Power be 7. Shri N.K.S. Raghavachari, I.C.S., pleased to state: Development Commissioner and Chief (a ) whether a technical committee Secretary to the Government of of different States of the Southern Kerala. Zone and Central Water and Power 8. Shri K. P. Sreedham Nair, Chair Commission has been appointed to set man, Kerala State Electricity Board. up a regional grid linking power system of the Southern States; Madras (b ) names of the members of this 9. Shri T. A. Varghese, I.C.S., Sec committee; retary to the Government of Madras, (c ) whether this committee has sub Public Works Department. mitted its report to the Southern Zonal 10. Shri V. P. Appadurai, Chief Council; and Engineer, (Electricity). (d ) the main features of this report? Mysore The Deputy Minister o f Irrigation and Power (Shri Haihi): (a) Yes. The 11. Shri G. V. K. Rao, I.A.S., A d Southern Zonal Council at its second ditional Development Commissioner meeting held in September, 1957, de and Planning Secretary. cided to form a Committee to advise 12. Shri J. L. D’Sa Chief Engineer, the appropriate regional authorities Mysore State Electricity Board. on problems of co-ordinated develop ment of power resources in the 13. Shri H. V. Narayana Rao, Chief three States o f Madras, Andhra Pra Engineer, Hydro-Electric. desh and Kerala and also the State (c) Not yet. o f Mysore. (d ) In view of the position stated (b ) The Committee consists of the in respect of part (c) above, the ques following; tion does not arise. Government of India Central Water Conference of Steamer Companies and Power Commission. 2302. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the 1. Shri M. Kayath, Member. Minister of Transport and Comnmnl cations be pleased to state: Ministry of Commerce and Industry (a) whether a conference of Steamer (Development W ing) Companies of the Eastern Region was held recently; 2. Dr. B. D. Kalelkar, Industrial A d viser (Engineering). (b ) ii so, problems discussed; S. tor. G. P. Kane, Industrial Ad (c ) decisions arrived at in this BMMft* viser (Chemicals). ing. “7177 Written Aimeere 18 S E PTE M B E R 1968 Written Antwera 717* H ie Minister of State In the Ministry (d) if reply to part (a) above be c f T r u s p T t and Cemaaunieatlons in the negative, the reasons therefor? (ttrl la j Bahadnr): (a) A meeting -was held at Calcutta on the 1st July, The Minister of 8tate In the Minis 1958 under the Chairmanship of the try of Transport and Communications Minister of Transport and Communi (Shri Baj Bahadur): (a) This Conven cations to discuss problems relating to tion was discussed at the Inter- inland water transport in Bihar, West Govemmental Diplomatic Conference Bengal and Assam. on Maritime Law held in Brussels (b ) and (c). A statement is laid on from 30th September to 10th October, the Table of the Lok Sabha. [See A p 1957 and it was decided that it should pendix V, annexure No. 138]. be referred again to the participating Governments, as the text finally sug “Grow More Vegetables” gested by the above Conference differ ed substantially from the text origi SStl. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the nally circulated. The question of rati Minister of Food and Agriculture be fication of the Convention does not, pleased to state: therefore, arise at present. (a) whether there is any programme (b ) to (d). Do not arise. drawn by the Central Government to “Grow More Vegetables*; and (b ) the main features of this pro Training in Co-operation gramme? The Minister of Food and Agricul 2305. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a ) and (b). Minister of Food and Agriculture be "There is no scheme as such for ‘Grow pleased to state; More Vegetables’. The G.M.F. Rules, (a ) total number of personnel train bowever, provide financial assistance ed so far in each State in Co-opera fo r schemes intended to increase pro tion; duction, of tuber crops including potatoes and sweet potatoes. (b ) names of the places where training centres have been establish It is also proposed to set up eleven ed for training in Co-operation; -.seed certification centres for vegetable seeds during the Second Five Year (c) number of persons to be trained l*lan to ensure supply of vegetable in remaining years of Plan; and seeds of guaranteed purity and germi nation capacity to the growers. Five (d ) nature of their training? such Centres have already been sanc ' The Minister of Food and Agricul tioned in the States of (1) Jammu & Kashmir, (2) Punjab, (3) Mysore, (4) ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a ) Two state Bihar and (5) West Bengal. ments are laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha. [See Appendix V, an Convention regarding Carriage of nexure No. 139J. Passengers (b ) Two statements are laid on the 2304. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the Table of the Lok Sabha. [See Appen Minister of Transport and Communi dix V, annexure No. 139]. cations be pleased to state: (c) Co-operative personnel (a) whether India has ratified the (officials) 24,498 convention relating to the carriage of passengers; -do- (non-officials) 8,40,096 Chcqs* System la Foat OfteM The Minister of TftiUmO and m e. Sardar Iqbal Stegh: W ill the Oammanlaattoaa (Shri S. WL P aM l): Minister of Traaqport airil Cosmnnnl- According to the information avail otttoni be pleased to state names of able, the system of withdrawal by places and number of post offices cheque from Post Office Savings where Cheque System has been in Bank Accounts in Punjab is avail troduced in Punjab State? able in:— Name of places No. of Port Office* Ambals (including Ambala City and Ambala Cantt.) ia Simla ...... i Chandigarh ...... 3 Kharar ...... I Rupar ...... i Central Marketing Society* Tripura tration as well as from the State Lottery Fund now at the disposal o f 2307. Shri Dasaratha Deb: W ill the Administration; the Minister of Food and Agricul ture be pleased to state: (d) if so, the amount of each of these loans and how these loans have (a) the names of the Members of been utilised1; the Board of Directors of the (e) whether the Central Marketing Central Marketing Society, Tripura; Society has got lower marketing (b ) who among them are also mem societies represented in its Board of bers of the Executive Committee of Directors; and the State Cooperative Bank; (i) if not, whether this Society can (c) whether it is a fact that the function as Central Marketing Societyf Central Marketing Society secured a loan from the State Cooperative Bank, The Minister of Food and Agrieal- Tribal Welfare Fund of the Adminis cure (Shri A. P. Jate): (a) («) Lt. Col. H. S. Bhutalia * • Ex-Officio Chain (*) Shri S. K. Gupta • * • Secretary. C3) (4) Shri S. M. Biswas 9 ♦ Member. (5 ) Shri N. K. Chanda m • Member. «S> Shri S. R. Deb . . (7) Shri Raj Prasad Reang *• • Member. (8) Shri S. L. Singh • Member. (9) Shri A K. Das * Member* ______(to) A nominee of Pabiachara Co-operative Purchase and S a le g v jn y (b ) Besides Lt. Col. Bhutalia who Rs. 50,000 against the security o f is ex-crgicio Chairman of the Board fixed deposit account in the name o f of Director* of the Cooperative Bank, the Chief Commissioner and a cash Shri S. K. Gupta and Shri S. R. Dutta credit limit of Rs. 1,00,000 against are members of the Board of Direc hypothecation of their stock in trade tors. * Amounts have been utilised by the Society in the purchase of Jute, agri of the aforesaid loam sut on 28th August, 1998 was as under:— (0 Loan against fixed depotit account in the name *£ the R». Chief Commiw i o n c r ...... 40,000 (il) Loan against cash credit ...... 62,689 (e ) Yes. (f ) Does not arise. ’r w ?nTT% qvlt $; Family Planning (»r) x x f*Ri# „ „ Q J Shri Hem W u : fV^TTT^T 5 ; rfrz ** Sardar Iqbal Singh: ( ^ ) ^TT *TR7T t ? W ill the Minister of Health be pleas ed to state: yqinft («ft « ifrn*ui irt) : (a ) whether it is a fact that Calcutta ( jp) ^ ( r e i m Bacteriological Laboratory have sub bursement) fa? 5T?ff % t i w r mitted a scheme for oral contracep tives for consideration of the Union Government; ( ^ ) ^ ^ I (b) if so, whether Government pro pose to give financial aid for further (n ) tr^r 1 researches on the subject; and (c ) whether these oral contracep (*0 srfd^fd qfs^PF tives have been tested? ^ & arc £ 1 The Minister of Health (Shri -q 3ft faqsiTm »nft «nrrr fw swrm; (b ) The categories are broadly as follows:— ( i t ) «wr v i ^ The President, Vice Presyient' •** the Prime Minister of India; Written Anetoert 18 SEPTEMBER 1988 Written Atineen 7 ^ Govemers of State; (b ) if so, the amount of loss incur red during 1958? Heads of foreign States and Diplomatic Missions; The MinWer of Transport and Com* muntcattoas (Shri S. K. M il): (a) Ministers of the Central and Yes. State Governments; (b ) Rs. 6700. ^Chairman, Dy. Chairman, Speaker and Dy. Speaker of the International Wheat Council Houses of Parliament; 2313. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill tba -Chief Justices and Judges of the Minister of Food and Agriculture be Supreme Court and High pleased to state;, Courts; (a) whether the meeting of Inter Members of Parliament, while national Wheat Council was held in travelling outside India; London in the month of June this Members of the A ir Corporations, year; Senior officers of the Central (b ) if so, the names of persons who Government. participated in it on behalf of the Government of India; and Requisitioning of Foodgrains (c ) the decisions arrived at? 2311. Shri Pangarkar: W ill the Minister of Food and Agriculture be The Minister of Food and Agricul pleased to state: ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (c) if so, what is the food value of The nature of the suggestions made that ghee? by the Committees is indicated in the statement laid on the Table of the Lok The Minister of Food and Agricul Sabha. ture (Shri A. F. J«ia): (a) to (c). Information is being collected and will Statement be laid on the Table of the Sabha when received. (1) That certain specified books be stocked and sold. Meetrifleartoa «f Northern Railway (2) After due examination of the 2815. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the books, that the sale of certain Minister of Hallways be pleased to books may be continued. state: (3) That the number of books in (a) the names of stations on the regional languages be augment Northern Railway Zone proposed to be ed at certain bookstalls. electrified during the Second Five Year Plan period; and (4) That there should be no dis crimination between authors in (b ) number of Railway Stations the matter of acceptance of on the Zone that w ill still remain un books for sale at Railway book electrified at the end of the Plan stalls. period? (5) That books should be properly The Deputy Minister of Railways displayed at bookstalls. (Sh ri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a ) A state ment is laid on the Table of the Lok ( 6) That bookstalls be opened at Sabha. [See Appendix V, annexure certain stations on which they No. 141.1 did not exist. (b ) 719. (7) That bookstalls at certain stations be shifted to more Bookstalls at Stations suitable sites. tSIC. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the ( 8) That selling of books at stations Minister of Railways be pleased to and on trains by unlicensed per state: sons be stopped. (a ) whether any committees have (9) That prices of books and been appointed to advise the Railways periodicals should not be highar with regard to the quality of books than those charged by the Pub to be stocked in the Bookstalls at the lishing Houses. stations; and (10) That Suggestion Books be pro (b) if so, the progress the com vided at Railway bookstalls. mittees have made so far in their work? (11) That second hand books must not be passed on as first hand The Deputy Minister of Railways ones and sold at original prices. (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a ) Yes; Bookstall Committees are functioning Khadi on all the Railways except the North 2317. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the east Frontier Railway, on which Rail Minister of Railways be pleased to way also it is expected to be consti state: tuted shortly. (a ) the quantity and the value of (b ) The Committees held a number Khadi purchased by each of the Rail of meetings and also undertook Inspec ways for 1986-57 and 1957-58; tion tours and made their suggestions, which have received the due consi (b) the purposes for which it is deration of tb» Railways. purchased; and 0 7x87 Written Answer* 18 SEPTEMBER 1058 Written Answers P uMOfer AnwnWw Station Nature of amenities provided Cost R*. I. Lskhewali Benches on Platform 348 a. Mukatsar .ij Water tap in waiting room *3 ait) Benches on platform 375 3. Wander Jatana Shelter on the ticket window 656 4. Jhabehvali Do. 636 There is no section as Hindumal amenities are to be provided at vari TCot-Phulera. ous stations on the Fazilka-Bhatinda (c) to (e). Following passenger Section during 1958-59:— Station Nature of amenities provided Cost. Rs. 7. Mukatsar Improvements to the waiting hall & provision of water borne 4 seated latrines Sc 4 seated urinals on platform & lavatories in waiting rooms 49,183 a. Lakhewali Provision of a rail level platform 4.098 3. Bariwala Do. 4.091 4. Goniana Do. 4.091 Vigilance Officers all important trains to find out the reasons for unpunctuality; and U U . Shrlmatl Parvathi Krishnan: Will the Minister of Railways be (b ) if so, which are the trains to pleased to state: be watched? (a) whether Government propose to The Deputy Minister of Railways depute Railway Officials to '‘shadow" (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a/ and W ritten Answers 18 SE PTE M B E R 1958 Written Answert 7*95* (b ). Th« performance ot all impor ( w ) *rfcr ?tf, ?fr fiR i feqar arm f w armT ^ fV m ft n ^ «Ftf '•ftr * i jf’ ft j f f *?TT# ^ ff'TT fir : ( v ) vrr t f a »TTffifir Booae Plans for Delia] # firrr fey? arret swr* *** 2325. Shri M. B. Thakore: W ill fh e Minister of Health be pleased to state; fanmr *fr (a) the names of various coknfc» in Delhi and New Delhi excluding the 7^93 W ritten Answer* 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Written Answers area across the Jamuna River, ap and IV industrial employees (work proved by the Delhi Improvement shop staff) in Railway Establishment Trust, for which the plans of houses to suffering from T.B. who have been- be constructed are being sanctioned by sent to Sanatoria as on the 31st July, the Delhi Development Authority and 1958? Delhi Corporation; The Deputy Minister of Railways- (b ) Whether it is a fact that the (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): The infor layout of Vizir Nagar and Arjun mation is being collected and will be- Nagar, New Delhi have been approved placed on the Table of the House. by the Delhi Improvement Trust; (c ) the reasons fo » not sanctioning Kharagpur High School the building plans in these two colonies; and 2327. Shri Aurobindo Ghosal: W ill the Minister of Railways be pleased (d ) by what time the Delhi Develop to state: ment Authorities and the Delhi Corpo ration w ill sanction the Building (a ) whether the post of the Head- plcns for these two colonies. Master of the Kharagpur High School of S. E. Railway is lying vacant for a The Minister of Health (Shri long time; and Karmarkar): (a ) The names of such colonies are: (b ) if so, the reason therefor? (1) Rajori Garden. The Deputy Minister of Railways (2) Shivaji Park. (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a ) The post fell vacant on 2-3-58, but one of the (3) Kailash. Assistant Teachers has been pro (4) Hauz Khas enclave. moted temporarily as Headmaster (5) Kirti Nagar. from that date. (6) Padam Nagar. (b ) The school has been converted (7) Friends Colony. into a Higher Secondary-cum-Multi- (8) Land on Wazirpur Road near purpose School and a Principal instead Sawan Park. of a Headmaster is due to be appoint ed. This is the reason for filling the-- (b ) No. post of Headmaster temporarily. (c) The layout plans of these colonies have not been approved so T.B. Control in Orissa far and therefore construction of buildings cannot be permitted. 2328. Shri Panigrahi: Will the (d) The Delhi Development Minister of Health be pleased to state Authority has no jurisdiction over the total amount of money to be given* to Orissa for the prevention of T.B. these colonies. The layout plans and and for setting up of T.B. Isolation- the building plans in respect of these Centres in the Orissa State during areas have to be sanctioned by the 1958-59 and 1959-60? Delhi Municipal Corporation. It is not possible for the Government to The Minister of Health (Shri say when the Delhi Corporation will Karmarkar): Orissa would be eligible- sanction the building plans for the for the following assistance during. two colonies. 1958-59: T il. Among Railway Employees X-Ray and laboratory equipment at an estimated cost of SSM. Shri Daljit Singh: W ill the Rs. 2,00,000 and a sum of Minister of Railways be pleased to Rs. 1,31,250 towards the estab state the number of Class I, II, HI lishment of 105 T.B. Isolation 7195 Written Answers IS SXPTSMBER 1988 Written Answers beds. The proposals tor 1959- These saw dust boards are not const- 80 end the •mount of assis dered as substitutes fo r fibre boards tance that would be given which require expensive machinery have not yet "been finalised. and synthetic resin. Ex-North Western Kailway employees Kmployee* of Medical Store Depots 2331. Shrhnatl Sachet* Kripalanl; U U . Shri Anthony Filial: W ill the Will the Minister of Railways be 'Minister of Health be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a ) Whether it is a tact that the (a) whether it is a fact that the clerical staff employed at the Medical employees of the Cash and Pay 'Store Depots have represented for the Department of the ex-North Western -grant of Upper Division scale of pay; Railway have been denied payment of gratuity etc. in accordance with the (b) what is the exact number em Railway Board's letter No. E(W ) PF1- ployed in the Lower and Upper 27 dated the 22nd November, 1957 “Division categories; and whereas similar employees of the ex- (c) the number of those employed 33.B. & C.I. Railways have been ex in the said depots for more than three tended such a relief; and -years in a temporary capacity. (b) if so, why? The Minister of Health (Shri The Deputy Minister of Railways S arm ark ar): (a ) Yes. (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) No. (b) (i) Lower Division Clerks 280. (b ) Does not arise. (ii) Upper Division Clerks 8. Mark Sheets i p p ifiw fftfw vft ( passengers to move after getting down New Co-operative O n tt Sactettas from train on arrival; and 2339. Shri Shree Narayan Das: Will (b) what steps we proposed to be the Minister of Food and AgricsUtttre taken to keep the No. 1 platform. be pleased to state: Centra] Station, free from such obs (a) whether the programme of set tacles for the passengers? ting up of bigger type of new co operative credit societies and amalga The Deputy Minister of Hallways mation of some smaller societies to (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) No, Sir. form such bigger type is proceeding according to plan in different Ststes (b ) It is, however, true that parceJs as suggested in the Rural Credit Sur intended for street delivery, jf any vey report and adoffted by the various left over, and parcels received by State Governments; trains after the closing hours of the Parcel Office are stacked on No. 1 (b) if not, whether this idea of platform of Madras Central Station, having bigger size of societies has but this is done within a line cf de received any set back; marcation specially provided after leaving sufficient room for free move (c) whether the whole question of ment of passengers. formation of agricultural credit socie ties in different States has been re viewed or is being reviewed; Bridge on River Gandak (d) if so, the reasons that have 2338. Shrf Sbrwe Narayan Das: Will prompted such revision, and the Minister of Railways be pleased (e ) if so, the naf-ute of decisions to state; taken in this respect? (a) whether any decision as to 1he The Minister of Food and Agricul dismantling or otherwise of the old ture (Shri A. F. Jain): (a). Yes. The railway bridge on river Gandak bet target for organization of large sized ween Sonepur and Hazipur (North societies has proceeded so far accord Eastern Railway) after the construc ing to the Plan. A study of the orga tion of a new bridge on that river is nizational pattern of these societies completed next year has been taken; was conducted. It nas revealed that there have been cases in which an fb ) if so, the nature thereof; unduly large number of villages were (c) whether it is a fact that the included in the area of operations of Government of Bihar has expressed large sized societies. its desire to talc* over this bridge to (b) to (e). In order to enaora convert it into a road bridge; and that mutual knowledge and under (ill) while the programme for the Railway Accident* organization of large sized societies included in the 1958- 89 State Plans may be imple ZS40. Sardar Iqbal Singh: Will the mented in full, thereafter no Minister of Railways be pleased to further registration of large state: „ sized societies may take place in States in which 10 per cent, (a) the total number of Railway of the villages will have been accidents that have occurred between covered by the end of 1958-59. Bhatinda and Ambala since 1947 upto- (Existing large sized societies date; covering unduly large areas may be reconstituted with a (b ) how many are major and how Tiew to reducing their area of many are minor accidents; and operation so as to conform as nearly as possible to the pat (c) whether Government have en tern of size indicated at (i) quired into the causes of these acci above). dents? The States have been advised to keep in view the above principles in the The Deputy Minister of Railways organization of large sized societies. (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) and (b). They have also been advised against Total number of train accidents of indiscriminate amalgamation of small the following categories, between societies into large sized societies. Bhatinda and Ambala is as follows: Minor Serious (Since (Since 1955) 1947) Derailments Collision* Accidents at Level Crossing Fires in trains *4 3 (a) Yes; cOusewise analysis of these accidents is as follows :— Minor Scricus . (i) Failure of Railway staff 18 1 (i»> Failure of other than RaiJwsry staff . 2 (ni) Failure of track/bridge 2 (W) Other Misc. Causes 4 -- 3 (Records regarding minor accident* prior to 1955 are not available). . Written Answers 18 SEPTEMBER 1988 Written Answers 7304 Central Klee Committee The Minister of Food and Agricul ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) No. 2341. Sardar Iqbal Singh: W ill the Minister of Food and Agriculture be (b ) Does not arise. pleased to state: (a) whether Owemment has con Wheat from U.SA. sidered the recommendation of Cen 2344. Shri Sarju Pandey: Will the tral Rice Committee regarding the Minister of Food and Agriculture be demarcation of Rice Areas; pleased to state: (b) whether Government has ac (a) the quantity of wheat import cepted this recommendation; and ed from U.S.A. so far under Public (c ) if so, areas demarcated in this Law 480; and regard? (b ) the quantity found infested and The Minister of Food and Agricul unlit for human consumption? ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) The re commendation is still under the con The Minister of Food and Agricul sideration of Government of India. ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) About 3*6 million tons, since the agreement (b ) and (c). Do not arise. with U.S.A was signed in August 1956. Irrigation Works in Punjab (b) No quantity was found infest 2342. Sardar Iqfial Singh: W ill the ed. The quantity which became unfit Minister of Food and Agriculture be for human consumption mainly as a pleased to state: result of contact with sea water dur ing voyage was also very small. (a ) the amount allotted to the State of Punjab for medium and minor irri gation works in 1957-58 and how Conference of General Managers much has been actually spent; and r Shri S. M. Banerjee: (b) the extent of land brought 2345. i Shri Tangamani: ui^der cultivation as a result of these [ Shri Sarju Pandey: works? Xbe Minister of Pood and Agricul Will the Minister of Railways be ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a ) and (b). pleased to state: This Ministry is concerned with (a) whether a Conference of Gene Minor Irrigation Works only and the ral Managers, Railways was held In information in that connection is be Delhi in August, 1958; ing collected and will be placed on the Table of Sabha in due course. (b ) if so, the purpose of thii Con ference; and D-4 Threshers and Graders (c ) the decisions taken? 2343. Shri Daljit Singh: W ill the The Deputy Minister of Railways Minister of Food and Agriculture be (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) Yes, Sir. .pleased to state: (b ) and (c). The attention of the (a ) whether it is a fact that D-4 Honourable Members is drawn to threshers and graders were sent to parts (b ) and (c) of the answer al Himachal Pradesh to be shown by the ready given on the subject to starred T.C.M. for agricultural demonstration; question No. 818 by Sarvashri Bibhuti and Mishra and Harish Chandra Mathur (b ) if so, the names of places where in the Lok Sabha on 38th November, these were shown with dates? 1957. Tap5 Written- Answers 18 SEPTEMBER 1888 Written Answers 7ao6 Claas IV Railway Baylojreei (c) the number of persona killed or SUfl. Dr. SunanMnlttr: W ill the injured as a result of accident; and Minister of Railways be pleased to (d) the number of cases in which state the total number of Class IV Police, D.T.U., and Arm y Personnel employees appointed by the South were charged with rash and negligent Eastern Railway in the year 1957-58? driving? The Deputy Minister of Railways The Minister of State in the Minis (Shri S h a h J U W M K h an ): 3903. try of Transport and Communications (Shri Raj Bahadur): A statement Thefts of Railway Property on Raipur- giving the information required is laid Waltair Railway Line on the Table of the Lok Sabha. [See 2347. Shri Sanfanna* Will the Minis Appendix V, annexure No. 144.] ter of Railways be pleased to state: Opening of a Railway Station at (a) whether Government is aware R am avanm that the fittings and the equipments 2849. Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: W ill the in the railway carriages of the trains on the Ralpur-Waltair railway line of Minister of Railways be pleased to the South East Railway Zone are state: stolen to the great discomfort of the (a) at what stage of examination is travelling public; and the proposal for opening a Railway (b) if so, action taken in the matter? Station at Ramavaram between Bhadrachellam Road and Colliery sid The Deputy Minister of Railways ing Central Railway; and (SUM Shahnawas Khan): (a) Yes. (b ) when a final decision is likely (b ) Such thefts are occasional and to be taken? stolen items are replaced as soon as The Deputy Minister Railways possible after the loss is noticed. (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) and (to). Security arrangements are provid The proposal has been examined and ed to watch the rakes when they run found to be unacceptable. empty or are stabled in yards. Es corts are also provided on trfcins while running in badly affected areas and a special squad is organised to tackle this problem in concert with the State fwwrof Railway Police. aft spp* inrrm* : Traffic Offences { f Shri Yadav: WT ^ T R f m *848. I Shri Jagadish Awasthl: Will the Minister of Transport and Communications be pleased to state: ( v ) w t (a) the number of traffic offences & srf*rer q fr r r r«rnr*tor registered in Delhi in each quarter of y ftesmfi # vstwfa % the years 1937 and 1958 upto August; *nf*r*r anfe xff %■ (b ) the number of accidents in 3*tf)g anO' f t which Buses and Vehieles belonging to the D.T.U., Police, and Arm y were (m) crfTsr ?rr, eft P ft 0rni*fN involved and number of Police, D.T.U. and Army personnel prosecuted sepa rately; 7207 W ritten Annoert 18 8H6PTE M B E R 1988 Written Answer* 7^08 (*t) A rpt fximm % *r # *nn*it *tt faw*rr «n r iff# v r $ ? W>JHH ^ ? («ft wTgiwro *rt) : firm# wwr f«rqw («ft (*r) «r wi4> vrrzxlr 'tt ?t# ^r% «ft iW Tfli, t*«Tf *T WwT UT m ft U*jmn 5^t rrOTOT 3TT ^TVT ^ v ftfa «r m ^r* y * N l f <7Tl % r « f t *rror R>mnc : f^ T SRT^ ^ 1*1 ^T% *Pt fl*NI, ^ \ «ft «WW TO* I ^^fam irrfa vrfiRvrt^rTiT^tt» vn ftTw rf »nft- « rtrt, ?£ *«: % aiT ifa ft STS* H^TT % Medical Collegvs in Poajtb ^?TT ^ ^ JT*f *d H fT'TT »F^7T 23S\ Shri AJtt 81n«h Sarbadi: W ill fa : the Minister of Health be pleased to state: (>p) fasftfrrft, #' coo® (a) whether the Punjab Govejp- fr tfW e % *tar*r chf t It % ment has applied to the Central Gov ernment for aid for the expansion of fas vt fasrat vr^ft, «fhc the Medical Colleges during the year 1958-59; and (w ) fanr^ft qr Pr r t VPTT «T«r ft# ¥T V^HII $ ? (b ) if so, whether any amount has been sanctioned? ftnrrf wwr t o WY (MV The Minister of Health (Shri *T«ft) : (’P) fWmnft if tfhrfT TTTt: Karmarkar): (a) Yea. csrr*e * muj; ft# qr, %■ % (b) Under the revised procedure sfanft M^ff «*t fsnrsft three-fourths of the centra} allocation in respect of Centrally-aided Schemes ana*ft i is released to the State Governments by the Ministry of Finance in nine («■) v* mw vr* » monthly equal instalments as lumpsum ways and means advances and the final sanction for the payment of the tnrw k ‘W firqw grant-in-aid for the year 1958-59 is to be issued sometime in February, 1959. f «ft 5T*rw sr>TWT : The allocation for Punjab for this scheme for the year 1958*59 is * X,‘ \«ft *«» t o : Rs. 3 40 lakhs. w r ftm f fftrfaipr*rffr ^?c q*rer. Minor Irrigation in the C D. Blocks ?£*«: % fflXffafl JHR- w r % *rtt % ««r-v »f ir? «nrrpr «r?t tm «f^t 2354. Shri Kcahava: Will the Minis ter of Cosumulty Development be fa f w r *£t v^rvrrr % pleased to state; fo?*ft # WTfra ft# ‘ W * fa*pr (a) whether the Ministry has felt t t ?t*tt j* % qnNiPwT % fa# the need of engineers and overseers 7309 Written Annoer* 18 SEPTEMBER 1858 Written Answer* 72IO for making use of the minor irriga sugar factories in the country includ tion provision in Community Deve ing the Morinda and Batala Societies lopment and National Extension Ser which are yet to receive import licen vice areas; and ces was considered recently by the (b) to what extent, if any, the utili Planning Commission. It is proposed that sugar plant manufacturing consor sation of the provision has not been made for want, of the engineers and tiums in the country should fabricate overseers? machinery by importing minimum re quirements of certain components and The Minister ot Community Deve items of equipment which are not lopment (Shri S. K. Dey): (a) Yes, likely to be available from domestic Sir. • sources. The details of foreign ex change requirements for such fabri (b ) Though it is not possible to cation are being worked out with a determine the exact extent, the short view to make necessary allocation in age of engineers and overseers has 1SCO-61 and 1961-02. been one of the factors which contri buted towards slow utilisation of the minor irrigation funds during the First Fair Price Shops la Ponjsb Five Year Plan period and the first 2356. Shrt Daljit Singh: W ill the year of the Second Plan. The posi Minister of Food and Agriculture be tion has since somewhat improved pleased to state: and it has also resulted in increase in expenditure. (a) whether any complaint has been received by Government regarding the Co-operative Sugar Factories la functioning of the Fair Price Shops f n a jib in Punjab from 1st January to the 31st August, 1958; and m s . Shri Daljit Singh: W ill the Minister of Food u d Agriculture be (b) if so, the nature ot the com* pleased to state: plaints? (a) whether Punjab Government The Minister of Food and Agricul have asked for any help in the shape ture (Shri A. F. Jain): (a) No, Sir. ot foreign exchange to import machi (b) Does not arise. •• nery for opening co-operative sugar factories in the State; Staff In the Ministry of Food and (b ) if so, the details of the proposal; Agriculture and (c) the decision taken by the Cen S857. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the tral Government? Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state: The Minister of Food and Agricul ture (Shri A. F. Jala): (a) Yes. (a) the number of Assistants and (b) Of the five co-operative societies Clerks in the Ministry of Food and so far granted licence under the In Agriculture; and dustries (Development and Regula tion) Act, for the establishment of (b) the number of such employees sugar factories in Punjab, the Co among them who belong to Scheduled operative Societies at Morinda and Castes and Scheduled Tribes? Batata are yet to be granted licences The Minister of Food aad Agricul for importing machinery for which ture (Shri A- F. Jain): (a) and (b). foreign exchange is required. The information is being collected and (c) The entire question of obtain will be laid on the Table of the House ing machinery for aU the co-operative as early as possible. , 7 2 IX Written Answers 18 SEPTEMBER 1998 Written Answers 72X2 Staff in the Ministry of Irrigation and Stall in the Ministry of Transport and Few er Communications £358. Shri Daljit Singh: W ill the 2359. Shri Daljit Singh: WiU the Minister of Irrigation and Power be Minister of Transport and Communi pleased to state: cation* be pleased to state: (a ) the number of Assistants and Clerks in the Ministry of Irrigation (a) the number of Assistants and and Power; and clerks in the Ministry of Transport and Communications at present; and (b ) the number of employees among them belonging to Scheduled Castes (b ) the number of such employees and Scheduled Tribes? among them who 'belong to Scheduled The Deputy Minister of Irrigation Castes and Scheduled Tribes? and Power (Shri Hathl): (a) Assist The Minister of State in the Minis ants—56. try of Transport and Communications Clerks— 122. (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) and (b ). (b ) Assistants— 4 The information required is fciven in the statement laid on the Table of the Clerks— 14. Lok Sabha. S t a t e m e n t Upper Lower Assistants Division Division clerk* clerks (•) 326 310 f 60 (b) Scheduled Castes 2a 30 106 Scheduled Tribes 1 10 Kolhapur Ballway Station monthly average sale of tickets dur* 2SS0. Shri Jadhav: W ill the Minis ing 1957-58 was as follows:— ter of Kailways be pleased to state: R n t Class 204 (a) what is the average sale of Second Class 2.050 third class, second class ana first class Third Class 56.456. tickets on the Kolhapur Station on the (b ) Yes, by the through coach to Southern Railway per month; Poona. (b) whether it is a fact that there is a great demand for the reservation (c) A composite I and HI class car* of seats for the first class; riage runs through from Kolhapur to Poona by No. 971 Passenger from (c) what number of bogies are re Kolhapur to Miraj and onwards by served for that station; No. 201 Bangalore-Poona Mail. (d) whether it is a fact that there (d ) No. The shortage is only on is always a shortage of seats for the certain days. first class passengers; and (e ) if so, the steps Government (e) Additional first class berths can propose to take in the matter? be provided only by replacing the composite I and III class carriage The Deputy Minister 0/ Railways by a full I class carriage. As there (Shri Shahnawas Khan): (a) The is considerable III class traffic also, it Written Answer* 18 SE PTE M B E R 1956 Written Answers 7214 is not desirable to replace the com the amount allotted for the purpose posite I and HI class coach by a I separately; class coach. There is no room in the concerned trains for more than one (b) number of Gosadans opened* through coach. during the First Plan period and the Second Five* Year Plan so far; Surgarcane (c) amount spent during the First Five Year Plan and during the Second 2861. Shri JThnlan Sinha: Will the Five Year Plan separately; and Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state: (d ) the number of cattle in these Gosadans during the years 1951 to (a) the amount jfaid every year to 1957, year-wise? the cane growers as extra cane pxice or bonus since the period the scheme The Minister of Food and Agrical- has been in vogue; ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) to (c). (b ) the rate at which this extra A statement is laid on the Table of payment has been made in terms of the Lok Sabha. [ See Appendix V, per maund of cane supplied; and annexure No. 145.] (c) the States where such payment (d ) The information is being col has been made? lected from the State Governments and will be placed on the Table of the Die Minister of Food And Agricul Sabha in due course. ture (Shri A. F. Jain): (a) The amounts paid as extra price in addi tion to the minimum price fixed by Khandsari Factories the Government are as under:— 2^3. Start Jadhav: Will the Minis Season Amount ter of Food and Agriculture be pleased (Lakh Ri.) to state: 1962-53 100-53 1953-54 113 04 (a ) what is the number of factoriee- 1954-55 71*07 of Khandsari in the different States; 1955-56 62-41 (b ) what is the production of 1956-57 85-00 Khandsari in the year 1957-58 and (Provisional) what was it for the last four years; and (b) The rate of extra payment has varied from 1 nP- to 54 nP. per maund (c) how much cane is crushed on of oane. an average per year in the above factories? (c ) In Bombay, Andhra Pradesh, Madras, Mysore, U.P., Madhya Pra The Minister of Food Agricul desh, Punjab, Bihar, West Bengal, ture (Shri A. P. Jain): (a) Complete Kerala and Orissa, but by such fac information about the number of tories from which extra price was Khandsari factories in different States found due in different years. is not available. (b) Production of Khandsari Sugar Gosadans during five years ending 1957-58 is estimated as follows:— £362. Pandit Thakur Das Bhargava: Will the Minister of Food and Agrt- (Lakh tons) ctttture be pleased to state: 1953-54 0-95 1954-55 1 50 (a) the target fixed for opening 1955-56 1-50 Gosadans in the country during the 1956-57 1-^0 First and Second Five Year Plans and 1957-58 2-25 W ritten A twicer* 18 SXPTKMBXR 1998 Written Answer* (c ) About 27 lakh tpns on the basis o f an average annual production ot 160 lakh tons of fchandsari sugar. (*r) £«r itct* «r«r x v w*f arrq’n; Alarm Chains of Local Trains In (n) «wt t rvo w %■ 'Sealdah Division of Eastern Railway sfPTT xftT 2364. Shri Haider: Will the Minis ter of Railways be pleased to state: {?) nfc «n*T ( The Minister «f Pood and Agricnl- *rnrr t w **r ton (Shri A. P. Iain): (a ) No, Sir. The UP. Planning Research and Ac TOT JTTffir j f $ ? tion Institute has only published a wftfw ^r*nrr (aft pamphlet recommending establish ment of small factories, particularly by sugarcane growers on co-operative %»^r qfisrv im y f f basis, for manufacturing crystal sugar by using the lime sulpUitaUon open far % yrra«n pan process developed in 1948 at the It # ir^Tt *t*st sp tr % faw Bellary Research Sta'.ion of the Na «ff I gafrWH «TT€f # 9ft tional Sugar Institute, Kanpur. fw te' ^ ^ ^rrar *ft *r T?t (b ) 41. (c ) About Rs. 70,000 for a plant with I • a daily crushing capacity of 500 maunde of cane. ^rrt wfcn * «rr gw Matter* Post Office 2568. Raja Mahendra Pratap: W ill wpr pwt *rrt n the Minister of Transport and Com munications be pleased to state: % «Rrmfv A c Minister of Transport and Com («s ) Jfftr ft, «n r *rrt m stre f t i w f t ctrt v t Telephone System la A m u r « ttot $ I *37*. Shri P. C. Borooah: W ill the Minister of Transport and Communi (w) t o 3tt ffr?rr i cations be pleased to state: (a) whether it h a fact that North «r tt*r * f«m f vm vf is: Lakhimpur, a sub-divisional town in Assam, has not as yet been provided ^ \ » * . : r*n «ifr- with telephone system; ^f*T W*T r *? *TTT, K X «: vb) if so, the reason tnerefor; and % ffT'-aforT *5^ ^ ^¥TC (c) when the installation is likely % *? ini ^ f t t ^ n f % : to be made? « The Minister of Transport and Com («f ) wfhn- * frss# £? w v f munications (Shri S. K. Patil): (a) North Lakhimpur is connected by radio q?t *nrvt % *Tt 3 fofter trfk vrft telephone link to Jorhat. A 50-line vt sft fcftf Em u i * ^ «ft, **u s?r% telephone exchange system at North r r t * ^ f^ h r Pw t t o Lakhimpur has been sanctioned. The system w ill be brought into service in I; due course. ( w ) q fk ft eft un to foftr (b ) and (c). The sanction to the work has been agreed but it w ill *ftr t o «n: f r o f^TJft wt take about 18 months for the build srfir ?nn'JT;?H q r r ^ t srr^pft; ing and the telephone installations to be completed. (n ) jrft w l w >rnr («*) * t Art Workshop of Central Railway H^TT *WKT?*W ^t, ?ft f^TflT % frm £ ; «ftr Z37\ Shri Sarju Fandey: W ill the Minister of Railways be pleased to state: ( v ) >w *r* frpfar f t arm (a) whether A.R.B. Type Block « m w r | ? Nos. 1, 2 and 3 have been constructed at Amla (Betul), M.P., by Ari Work qf t g y r fw r wwtt sfrrrwr 3 t t o - shop of Central Railway; («ft TW VfflfO : («p) vnfhr (b) if so, when was the construction w fv f % wrt: % faw * fr fv v rft work over; and (c ) the expenses for construction {Special Officer) *& frtfti W«f '’•ft of the Blocks? fiW U ltffrf ( I The Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): Presum ( « r ) ^ finrrifhr vnf- ably the Hon’ble Member is referring *r n £ t* fiw fc 1 g fe urcrw * t o t t o to the quarters constructed at Amla at 5% - t ^ r 'TT w r arr^rr i on contract by the Resident Engineers Organisation. If so, the reply is as under: (*r) ?rr f^tnr 3 vio)#* rrmtn (a ) 24 Units type II quarters have *frr fTffnff ffm arm «ft^ been constructed in blocks of four «TWWfWI t i ?wf^ 3ft«r ^ 5^5 units each. ^nrtr ^r*r w | i (b) The work was completed in March, 1958. (jr ) 5T*r*nr ^ t t $ i (c ) Rs. 1,21,000. Written Answer* IS SE PTE M B E R 1958 Written Answers 723% Ministry of Steel, Mines and Fuel In Posts ot St(ulien oa Northern respect of ore for the steel plants, Railway and (ii) by the Ministry of Commerce and Industry in respect of ore for ex f Shri S. M. Baacrjee: 237*• ^ Shri Tangamanl: port. W ill the Minister ot Railways be (b ) According to the tentative esti pleased to state: mates made, the requirements w ill be as follows:— (a) the number of posts ot signal lers, departmental as well as traffic, (i) Steel Plants. on the 1st April, 1956 on the Northern Railway; Steel Approx. tons Plant per year (b ) number of posts upgraded; (million tons) (c) number of posts upgraded after IISCO 2-2 the revision of percentage; and TISCO 2-3 Durgapui 2 1 (d ) reasons for the difference, if any? (ii) Export. The Deputy Minister of Railways About one million tons of iron ore (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) 851. and manganese ore per year. (b ) to (d). There is no change in (c) The following additional facili the total number of posts in grades of ties have been programmed during 100 to 185 and higher but by revising the Second Five Year Plan period: the percentage the number of post* in 150—225 is less by 45 with a corres (1) Two ore loading sidings at ponding increase in those in 100 to Jajpur-Keonjhar Road for 185. movement of ore from the Sukinda Mines for export. Ore Traffic in Barajamda Sector on (2) Doubling of the line between S. E. Railway Barajamda and Rajkhars- wan. 2375. Shri Panigrahi: W ill the Minister ot Railways be pleased to So far, the sections between Bara- state: jamda-Dangoaposi and Jhink- pani-Pendrasali have been (a ) whether the South Eastern Rail doubled and opened for traffic. way has assessed the total require (3) Opening of a new branch ment of Ore traffic in Barajamda line from Noamundi to Bans- Sector; pani for development of the (b) if so, what is the total require Joda Mines. This line has ment; and been opened to traffic on 18th April, 1958. (c) whether any additional railway facilities have been planned and im (4) Extension of the Barajamda- Barabil branch to Pan posh plemented during the Second Five Year Plan to increase the transport Gorge. capacities of Keonjhar Mines in parti (5) Remodelling of Gua, Bara cular and other Oriasa mines? jamda, Noamundi and Dan- goaposi yards. Tbe Deputy Minister of Railways (Shri Shahnawas K han): (a ) Yes. on (6) Opening of a new branch line the basis of estimates made ( 1) by the from Rourkela to Duxnaro. y i a j Paper* Laid on 18 BBPTMIWW 1088 Pap«n Laid on 7304 the Table the Table P u H O fe r A u b M m amendment to the Manipur Foodgrains (Movement) Con 2376. Shri Knmbhar: Will the Minis trol Order, 1956. ter of Railways be pleased to state: (a ) the action taken on repeated (ii) G.S.R. No. 758 dated the 29th complaints and representations made August, 1958 containing the by the passengers and general public Uttar Pradesh Foodgrains about the insanitary condition of com (Export Control) Order, 1958. partments which run without electric lights, fans and water on the branch (iii) G.S.R. No. 781 dated the 4th line from Sambalpur to Jharsuguda September, 1958. [Placed i» on the South Eastern Railway; and Library, Sea No. LT-927/58.] (b ) the number of First and Second (iv ) G.S.R. No. 782 dated the 4th Class Coaches running on the branch September, 1958. line? (v ) G.S.R. No. 783 dated the 4th The Deputy Minister of Railways September, 1958 making cer (Shri Shahnawa* Khan): (a) There tain further amendment to the have been two complaints on train Rajasthan Gram (Prohibition lighting since March 1958. Arrange of Export) Order, 1958. ments have been made to instal a battery charging plant at Jharsuguda (v i) G.S.R. No. 787 dated the 7th to ensure satisfactory lighting on this September, 1958. [Placed in branch line. Library, See No. LT-928/58.J The single rake serving this 30-mile branch line is thoroughly washed, Su m m a r y o r B udget Esttmatks o r cleaned and watered at Jharsuguda Ik u a n A n u K B C orporation an d A m - and dry cleaned at Sambalpur between llCDIA INTCRNATXONAX, CORPORATION trips each way. The Dep«ty Minister of Ctvll Avia (b) One composite first, Second and tion (Shri Mohtaddtn): I beg to lay T^iird Class bogie of seating accom an the Table, under sub-rule (5) of modation; Rule 3 at the Air Corporations Rules, 1st Class— 8 berths or lt seats 1854, a copy of each of the following 2nd Class— IS seats. papers: — The occupancy is 24 per cent, tor 1st (1) Summary at Budget Estimates •Claas and 5 per cent, for 2nd Class. of Revenue and Expenditure of the Indian Air Lines Cor poration fo r 1958-59. IS hr*. (3) Summary of Actual Capital Expenditure fo r 1956-57, Bud PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE get Estimates and Revised NonrxcATxoirs msuxd mmat thb Estimates fo r 1087-88 and Budget Estimates fo r 1956-60 S m b i t u l COMKantnn A ct of Indian Airlines Corporation. The Deputy Minister of Food and [Placed in Library, See No. Agiicaltare (Shri A. M, Thomas): 1 LT-930/58.] beg to lay on the Table, under sub (3) Summary of Budget Estimates section (6) of section 3 at the Essen of Revenue and Expenditure tial Commodities Act, 1955, a copy of of the Air India International each of the following notifications: — Corporation tar 1058-56. (i).G.S.R. No. 751 dated the 30th (4 ) Summary of Actuals fo r 1986- August, 1958 making certain 57 and Budget Estimates and M otion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1998 Appraisal and Prospect* 7236- of the Second Fivte Year Plan Revised Estimates for 1957-88 Speaker, Sir, I would in the first Budget Estimates for instance apologize to the House tor 1956-50 under Capital, of the having occupied a good deal of time Air India International Cor yesterday in recounting the factual poration. (Placed in Library, position in relation to the Plan and See No. LT-9B1/58.] its reappraisal. I gave some informa tion which was not to be found in the documents placed in the hands of the I t .92 hn. Members. But mainly my effort was to cull some of the data which might CONVICTION OF A MEMBER bring out the significant relationships Mr. Speaker: I have to inform the between the various sets of facts and House that I have received the follow figures given in those documents. ing communication, dated the 15th September, 1958, from the Additional 12 05 hrs. District Magistrate (Judicial), Gonda: — [Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] *'I have the honour to inform It was also meant to show the' you that Shri Atal Bihari relative impact of the changes on the Vajpayee, Member, Lok Sabha, various sectors and heads of develop was tried by me on a charge of ment. I thought that it might help Section 188, Indian Penal Code. hon. Members in dealing with the issues which arise. Perhaps it was a Today, after trial, I found him mistaken idea and I hope that I would guilty under Section 188, Indian do better in future. Penal Code, and sentenced him to pay a fine of rupees two hundred The information which the House- or in default to undergo simple has got now discloses a difficult situa imprisonment for one month. tion. It poses a problem. The question now is whether this situation is a ■ Aa the amount of fine was not passing situation, whether It has arisen paid he was sent to District Jail, out of some accidental circumstances - Gonda. for serving out the sen tence in default.** or whether it is some kind of a deep- seated malady and a more intractable' problem. It may be said that develop lt .t t I n . ments in the international sphere' aggravated our difficulties and we had MOTION RE: APPRAISAL AND a series of bad monsoons and that haa PROSPECTS OF THE SECOND FIVE brought about some of the trouble Y E A R P L A N —contd. which w e are facing. That -night Mr. Speaker: The House will now mean that, if there be a sequence o f resume discussion on the motion better years, our problems will be at an end and we can safely depend an regarding Memorandum on Appraisal nature for governing the pace of our and Prospects of the Second Five Year development. I do not think so. So Plan, moved on the 17th September, 1988. Out of 10 hours allotted to this far as the future goes. I think w e depend very much more on the scale' motion, 8 hours and 51 minutes now of our effort for determining the rate- remain. of our progress in this country. Shri Gulzarilal Nanda may continue his speech. So far as this Plan is concerned, ■ the lines of advance are very much- T lw RBaistw of L tb so r a a l Kaaptoy- clear now, although the quality » of M M mad Planning (Shri Naada): Mr. effort that we are going to make, the *7337 Motion re IS SEPTEM BER 1BS8 Appraisal and Pruspects 7-?a8 of the Second Five Year PUn [Shri Nanda] extent of our effort in the current year which has been mentioned, namely, and over the next two years, is going additional Rs. ISO crores. That is, the to make a great deal of difference not Plan is not going to be of the order of only to this Plan but also to the future Rs. 4,500 crores but Rs. 4,890 crores. Plans. I can anticipate the course of It is not so. These are indications at discussion so far as this Plan is con pressing demands which should be cerned. W e w ill be told that a certain thought of, but the Plan stands at cut which we are contemplating in Rs. 4,500 crores, unless more resources one direction or the other should be can be raised. If more resources are restored and that more provision raised, more tnings can be done; not should be made for social services. For otherwise. This ts our position. We every head of development there will have been told about the desirability be one or more advocates. When we of consolidating our efforts. That look at these suggestions in totality, it means, consolidation, rather than ex w ill amount to that nothing should pansion. But where is the expansion be cut. That is going to be the posi now in this Plaa? There are no pro tion when we will have scrutinized posals for expansion. Consolidation is all the suggestions relating to the a very welcome suggestion. We must reallocations that are being suggested make the best use of our resources and here. There will be some other sug investments that have been made gestions also for increasing our reso already. That is perfectly true, but urces. These suggestions w ill certain so far as planning itself is concerned, ly be very welcome, but is it not a I do not think there is any conflict fact that the reappraisal itself also between consolidation and expansion. visualizes a stepping up of resources Consolidation means that we must co in certain directions? Some people ordinate our efforts at all levels and feel that what the Planning Commis there should be no waste. If in one sion now expects the Centre and the direction we are going too far and in States to do in the matter of further some other direction we are lagging resources is too much. But there will behind, perhaps that means waste and be another school of thought, more certainly it means ineffective use of outside than in this House; there may our resources; that should not be. But be a few hon. Members who will nay there should be no interruption in that the taxes that have been imposed expansion for the purpose of consoli on the people of this country are too dation. That question does not arise heavy already and might ask the at the moment, because so far as the question: where is the scope for addi second Five Year Plan is concerned, tional taxation. Therefore, their certain schemes which have been only counsel w ill be to moderate our ambi just started may not be pursued and tions. certain other schemes may be delayed. It is not a question of expansion, but Now. I may make it clear that we of not being able to carry out all that have already decided, and it has been we have started. made known to all concerned that there are going to be no new schemes Regarding the future and that is taken up in the Plan. It is only the more important, I believe this House schemes which are nearing completion, has a definite question before it. In which are in an advanced stage, which the second Five Year Plan, a pattern are inescapable, for which resources of growth of incomes and investments are going to be provided and it may has been laid down. It means that in be that there are urgent requests the course of about 25 years, 1051— made. The Planning Commission ii 1076. there will be doubling of per being pressed to make provision in capita incomes— a very high ambition. ^another direction, and there is a figure In X9S1 the per capita income was M otion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1098 Appraisal and Prospect* 733O of the Second Five Year Plan Rs. 281. This involves a certain raising are suffering privations. If we are not of domestic savings. Are we going to able to do anything considerable to make that effort or not? It m a y be reduce their sufferings and burdens, said that the question does not arise whatever we might say, that is going today. But it does arise today, for to have its own consequences. the next Plan and later years, because the attitudes that we adopt, the view Then there is the aspect of employ that we take of the situation and our ment. If large numbers are not pro analysis are going to affect the future vided with something better in the course of events. Therefore, let us course of these years, we cannot have be clear about what we are thinking social peace in this country. The of our future, in what terms we are second Five Year Plan, big as it was going to reckon both the efforts and and as it is, what did it promise to do the results that we are looking forward in terms of additional employment? to. This was one of the criticisms of the Plan. Even if it is fulfilled cent per I personally believe that the pattern cent, it did not aim at providing that has been incorporated in the Plan employment opportunities for all the is the very minimum and more should new working force outside agriculture; be possible, because if we do not do and agriculture as we all know is that much, the consequences w ill not over-burdened already. With the be very pleasant. I may be told that Plan remaining at Rs. 4,800 crores in whatever the consequences and what financial terms, but the physical con ever the desirability, if you have not tent diminishing and shrinking a fresh got the resources, it is wishful think assessment was made and it was found ing to have a big plan. But when wo that the employment content was scrutinise that pattern of growth and reduced. Now with Rs. 4,500 crores. the rate of savings involved, we do not it goes down more. I would ask my find anything exceptional in it, objec hon. friends who give us the counsel tively considered, because we think of patience, what is going to be done that what is being demanded of the about these things. These two things people through the contemplated rate together w ill create strains on our of savings and the additional incomes democratic institutions. There is no that are going to be drawn out for the escape from that. W e cannot forget purpose of investment are not going to that fact and our wisdom and counsel be too heavy a burden on the people. of moderation will not avail us. There A fter all, other countries have fore, it is not that we have to think advanced and they have also had their in terms of lessening our effort plans in the course of several years ' because of certain difficulties that have in the past. There is the experience presented themselves. We have to face the stark realities. The diffi of other countries as to what rate of progress is feasible in under-developed culties of raising resources to my mind countries. Compared to that, what is present less grim realities than those being demanded in this Plan and the which have to be provided against in coming PlanB is not going to be too case of a failure. heavy a sacrifice. W e cannot forget the consequences if we fall to go What is the answer to it? In my •head In the march of progress. I am mind, I have no doubt that we can thinking of the social stresses which make the effort and secure the neces ape going to develop in the course of sary resources. O f course, if we think years if w e slacken our efforts and do only in terms of certain figures that not speed up the rate of advance. A ll we have got now. it might look as o f us know that vast numbers in this somewhat difficult and impossible task. country are being crushed under the But we should try to understand the weight of poverty and many people underlying factors in the situation. I IBS A LSD .— 5. 7331 Motion re 18 SKFX'ltM BBh 1988 Appraisal and Prospects 73y* of tfc* Second Fit** Ymttr P la n [Shri Nanda] am thinking of two aspects particular economies in other directions also, ly: firstly, are w e able to draw out both in private and public sectors, of our existing production the rate of economies which w ill enable greater savings that is possible for it to yield? savings to be made for our develop Secondly, is it not possible to hasten ment programmes. greatly the pace of production and to increase the rate of production? That Then there is also the aspect of means, greater production and greater prices. It is because of fluctuating productivity. These are the two fac prices that, I believe, the incentives for tors on which the whole thing rests. savings have diminished. A ll these are factors which can be dealt with So far as savings are concerned, I and which could enable us to take a think that it shall be possible to do more optimistic view of the future; of better. I mean savings from existing course, only if certain things are done. production. W e are not able to secure all that is possible, partly for the The second aspect which I mention reason that we have not yet provided ed is output and productivity. It is the institutional arrangements which being pointed out to us that we are can draw out more savings— through not making full use of our vast man co-operatives, marketing arrangements power. This is a source of great waste. and things of that kind. There w ill Here, apart from the human aspect, have to be much more in the direction there is also the economic aspect. It of institutional savings than personal should be possible to do much better savings. Personal savings must and it is really a matter of regret that increase, but institutional savings will about 25 per cent of the man hours have to increase very much more in available to us in this country are the context of the new circumstances being wasted. Probably that is a that are developing in this country. rough estimate of the assessment. How much would that mean in terms ol There is another aspect of savings constructive efforts and assets avail for the public exchequer, namely, able for ; '.ilisation? I would not go taxes and other dues. They are not into the J.itails of that question but being paid fully. This is a source it is possible to do it. It w ill need which can certainly be utilised much some more radical arrangements, more than is being done at present. something in the direction of organi sation of institutions; something will There is another matter, and that have to be done about that. is the question of economies in various directions. I am thinking of construc Then there is the question o f the tions. for example. We have provided assets which are being created and not fo r nearly a thousand crores of rupees being utilized. For instance, irrigation for construction in the course of the potential is being created. W e are Second Five Year Plan. M y own making efforts and we are succeeding assessment, or at any rate this is the progressively now in making better advice that is being given by com and fuller use of those assets. But it petent persons, is that 20 per cent can is a much wider question. It applies be saved easily in the costs of con to a number of other things and, I struction. believe, greater awareness and a greater vigilance is needed in that Shri BraJ Raj Singh (Firozabad): respect. Even 40 per cent. Then there is the level of producti Shri Nanda: I have put it at a vity, which is very important, parti moderate figure. 20 to 25 per cent cularly in relation to our foreign ex can be saved in that. There can be change resources. It is also impor M otion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1968 Appraisal and Prospects 7234 oj the Second Five Year Plan tant for our internal resources. A lew centives for the people, apart from awareness is required on this question. tlie material incentives. Since we are piling up debts, it calls for much greater effort here in this Now, two things have been men country to see that the cost per unit tioned prominently in that connection goes down so that we can compete — one is the rising prices and the with other countries, so that we can other is the anti-social practices. So supply ourselves the wherewithal to far as prices are concerned, I must meet the various obligations that are acknowledge that we have made being created. Agricultural yields can efforts and we are making efforts to be improved a great deal. In the hold the price line but we have not sphere of industry • also, we must succeeded fully. Otherwise, instead of show good performance, compared to the figures which I gave yesterday of average performance, because we the rise in prices which has occurred have to achieve what has already the picture would have been different. been accomplished in other countries Now various suggestions have been in similar conditions in the matter of made to deal with this situation. We industrial production. must try to stabilise the prices at a reasonable level, reasonable for the consumer as well as for the producer. Now we are being told that pro There are various suggestions. One ductivity is low in this country and practical suggestion which I have in for that labour is responsible. T must my mind is that the community very quickly disabuse anybody who should control a considerable part of has that impression, that kind of the trade in commodities; not that wrong belief. In this country, as far the entire wholesale trade and the as I have been able to gather from retail trade should be socialised; but whatever statistics are available, a sufficient proportion of it should be judging the situation I can say that in the hands of the community, both the increased costs are not in any way wholesale and retail, through co due to lack of effort on the part of operatives and other agencies, so that labour so far. It is also not true we can effectively control the price that productivity has lagged behind trends and to see that the price real wages; it is not so. But it is also movements and changes are not true that very much more is possible abrupt or excessive. It is possible to for labour to do, because the level at do so if more effort is made in that which things stand will not enable direction. the working classes to have more wages and more welfare arrange Shri Rang* (Tenali): Then the ments. They will have to put in community has to be more efficient much greater effort, and that will help and more honest. in creating surpluses in the economy and also in dealing with the problem Shri Nanda: That is the second gf foreign exchange resources. aspect— anti-social practices. That brings me to the question of honesty. A question is being asked, a sug There is dishonesty now of various gestion is being made, that a part of kinds practised by various people and our difficulties, a large part of our we all wish that in its place there difficulties, are due to the fact that should be a greater sense of integrity tHere is not enough enthusiasm among all round. There has to be greater the people, that sense of urgency and discipline in the nation. 'People who devotion is lacking. It may be true. work have to do more honest work. But it is not altogether true. Other There are various aspects of honesty. wise, we would not have had this But there are other things which much ot progress. But it is true strike the eye of the people such as that the bigger question of the moral profiteering, hoarding and things of climate is very important, moral in that kind. It is the same mechanism 7235 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1858 Appraisal and Prospect* 7336 of tht Second Five Tear Plon [Shri Nanda] There are substitute motions as (c) production of luxury goods and well. May I know which of them imports thereof be totally stopped; are going to be moved? (A fter a pause). As I find from the hon. Members who have stood up, the (d) parity between the prices of motions, are Nos. 1 to 14, 16 and 19, 1 industrial goods and agricultural will treat them as moved provided products as also the prices of com they are otherwise admissible. modities should in no case be higher than fifty per cent of their cost price; Shri Arjun Singh Bhadaurta (Etawah): I beg to move: (e) all the foreign capital invested That for the original motion. the in India be immediately nationalised following be substituted, namely: — and large sums of money going out of the country in the form of profits and "This House having considered salaries be used for the prosperity of the Planning Commission's Memo the country. randum on Appraisal and Prospects of the Second Five Year Plan, laid on the Table of the House on the (3) In order to make the Plan a success, substantial amounts that are 8th May. 1958, is of opinion being paid by the Government of that Government should make India to the following non-Govern- radical changes in the Five Year ment bodies be stopped forthwith : Plan on the following lines: — (a) Bharat Sewak Samaj, (1 ) Utilisation of Indian resources— (b ) Bhartiya Sadhu Samaj, (a) to solve the food problem in (c) Women's Welfare Scheme, the country a food army be formed by employing lakhs of unemployed (d ) Bhartiya Yuwak Samaj, and agricultural labourers on waste land; (e) Other such bodies. (b ) a literacy army of educated un employed youths be formed for com (4) Following steps should be taken pletely eradicating ignorance and to create enthusiasm among the illiteracy from the country as early people: — as possible; (a) total decentralisation of the (c) full utilisation of Indian crafts State authority at four dis men (masons) be made by limiting tinct levels; the use of automatic machines. (b) the Plan should be divided into four main stages, i.e., vil (2) Industrial Policy— lage, district, State and country level. (a ) Government should withdraw (c) the responsibility for the the emphasis being laid on private implementation of the sector and pay more and more atten schemes should rest with the tion towards the public sector; representatives of the people and not with the Government “This House, having considered ( 2) restrict the maximum deficit the Planning Commission’s Memo financing to Rs. 1,000 crores; randum on Appraisal and Pros (3) intensify food production and pects of the Second Five Year Plan, laid on the Table of the secure effective utilisation of food potential, among other House on the 8th May, 1958, is of methods, by a subsidised uti opinion that— lisation of irrigation facilities and a stricter control on pro (1) the Government have not curement and wholesale dis been able to create necessary tribution of foodgrains; enthusiasm amongst the peo ple for the successful working (4) restrict rigidly imports for of the Plan; the unexpired duration of the Second Plan; ( 2) the administrative structure should be reconstructed in <5) organise an all-out export a decentralised way from the drive, particularly by aiding village to the Centre, with conventional exports capable devolution of power and au of immediate response, as thority so as to form a strong well as exports of new pro and wide basis for the work mising lines; ing of the Plan by the people and for the people; ( 6) extend relief to industries in the matter of crediting deve lopment rebates so long ias (3) except the commitments re concessions are ploughed back garding the heavy industrial in developmental projects; undertakings on the Public Sector, the resources should (7) introduce a system of stagger be drastically diverted to ing of investments even with wards increasing the agricul in the ‘core’ of the Plan, with tural production and im special emphasis on a ‘go-slow* provement of the agricultural policy on such irrigation economy which should be projects as are not in an ad made the real core of the vanced state of completion; Plan even now.” ( 8) prepare a Plan for consolida Shri Nanshir Bharucha (East Khan- tion of the result so far desh): I beg to move: achieved and for completing the ‘left-overs’ from the That for the original motion, the Second Plan.” following be substituted, namely: — Shri Raffhnnath Singh (Varanasi): "This House, having considered I beg to move: the Planning Commission’s Memo randum on Appraisal and Pros That for the original motion, the pects of the Second Five Year following be substituted, namely: — Plan, laid on the Table of the • House an the 8th May, 1958, is of ‘"This House, having considered opinion that, apart from other the Planning Commission’s Memo- Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7348 0/ the Second Five Year Ptan [Shri Raghunath Singh] randum on Appraisal and Pros (4) Agricultural Production and pects of the Second Five Year Small Scale mechanised in Plan, laid on the Table at the dustry should be given first House on the 8th May, 1958, is of priority. opinion that— (5) Heavy industries, except those ( 1) higher priority needs to be which have been taken in given and greater emphasis hand and likely to be com placed on Indian Shipping pleted soon, should be defer which is the foundation on red to a latter period. which the entire structure of overseas and foreign trans ( 6) Public enterprise should portation is based and which strictly be confined to Sche is the earner of great foreign dule ‘A ’ of the industrial exchange as also the second policy resolution of 30th line of defence of the nation. April, 1956. A ll other indus trial schemes of the Central ( 2) higher priority should be and State Governments given and greater emphasis should be transferred to the placed on naval defence and private sector. development, repair and con struction of naval establish (7) The Plan should be reorient ments. ed so as to develop India into more or less a self contained economy depending least on Shri Assar (Ratnagiri): I beg to foreign help. move: <8) The plan should make pro That for the original motion, the mise of work for all. following be substituted, namely: — (9) Government employees “This House, having consider drawing Rupees two thou ed the Planning Commission’s sand or over per month Memorandum on Appraisal and should be given National Prospects of the Second Five Year Plan Bonds for the amount Plan, laid on the Table of the in excess of rupees two House on the 8th May 1958, is of thousand.” opinion that Government should take following steps in further Shri Mohamed Imam (Chitaldrug): ance of the economic welfare of I beg to move: the people — That for the original motion, the (1) The Planning Commission following be substituted, namely: — should be reconstituted and should consist of experts, not 'This House, having considered belonging to any political the Planning Commission’s Memo party. randum on Appraisal and Pros pects of the Second Five Year (2) The NationaL Development Plan, laid on the Table of the Council should also be reor House on the 8th May, 1958, is of ganised on all party national opinion that: — basis. ( 1) First priority be given to all ?3) The Second Plan should be hydro-electric and irrigation extended over a period at at projects by including them least seven years. in the core of the plan. 7249 Motion re 16 SEPTEMBER 19S8 Appraisal and Prospects 7250 of the Second Five Year Plan (2) Further taxation should be milk to the extent of more than stopped as it w ill be a great five crores of maunds since the strain on the economy ot the year 1951, and insufficient supply people and a burden on them. of good bulls (only one is there where 250 are required) and bul (3) Economy* in non-pian ex locks (the shortfall being over a penditure and cost of admin crore from the number requisite istration be effected to the ex for efficient agriculture and other tent of Rs. 300 crores both operations). at the centre and the states. (4) The policy of prohibition be The House further deplores that revised so as to get substan the Government is not even con tial revenue for plan expendi scious of the tragedy involved in ture. these figures as it does not so much as mention or hint at in their (5) The Community Develop appraisal and prospects and re ment Projects and the Nation appraisal reports, the appalling al Extension Service Block distress in the country to young be reoriented and their mana children, expectant mothers and gement entrusted to local aged men and loss of production bodies. of food in the country except on pages 28 to 46 of the appraisal and ( 6) A separate fund called ‘plan reappraisal report on page 22— development fund’ be consti statements which are not reassur tuted both at the Centre and ing and tell a doleful tale. the States to which shall be credited all revenue derived The House is clearly of opinion from taxes levied during the that the animal husbandry in plan period, borrowing and the country requires the close and loans, external assistance, special attention of the Govern railway contributions, balance ment which, if bestowed, is sure from revenue surplus and to earn very rich dividends in deficit financing which will so far as the production of pro be earmarked for plan ex tective food and agricultural pro penditure." ducts is concerned." Pandit Thakur Das Bhargav* (His- Shrimati Manjula Devi (Goalpara): sar): I beg to move: I beg to move: That for the original motion, the following be substitued, namely: — That for the original motion, the following be substituted, namely: — “This House, having considered ‘This House having considered the Planning Commission’s Memo the Planning Commission’s Memo randum on Appraisal and Pros randum on Appraisal and Pros pects of the Second Five Year pects of the Second Five Year Plan, laid on the Table of the Plan, laid on the Table of the House on the 8th May, 1958, is of House on the 8th May, 1958, is of opinion that the most reprehensi opinion that there should be no ble and almost criminal neglect reduction in social service pro in respect of animal husbandry grammes as they are very impor has landed the country in great tant for getting the full co-opera disaster resulting as It has in an tion of the people for making the annual decrease according to gov programme of the Five Year Plan ernment statistics of production of a success.” ■n«x Motion re 18 5KPTEMBKR 1958 Appraiial and Proiwctt n c of the Second Five Year Plan Shri S. L. SaJcaena (Maharajganj): 1 beg to move: (4) That top priority should be That for the original motion, the given lor putting up new fer following be substituted, namely: — tiliser plants in the country and for increasing the output "This House, having considered to the maximum possible ex the Planning Comimssion’s Memo tent of the fertiliser plants randum on Appraisal and Pros already existing in the pects of the Second Five Year country, Plan, laid on the Table of the House on the 8th May, 1958 reg (5) That original expenditure on rets that there has been no flood control schemes should attempt to keep to the original be restored and floods should targets in the Second Five Year be fought on a war footing. Plan by ruthless economising in the expenditure and avoidance ( 6) That the problems of scarcity of waste and by trying to raise areas like East U.P., North further resources from larger Bihar, etc. where the yield loans abroad and inside the coun per acre is the lowest and try, which is bound to have grave where drought and Hoods socio-economic consequencesj and causc wholesale devastation recommends— from year to year, should be thoroughly investigated by (1) That full use should be made appointing a High Power of the irrigation potential Commission to investigate the which has already been creat causes of perpetual scarcity ed by finding out and remov in these areas and to recom ing the reasons for its non mend ways and means to use by cultivators and parti overcome them in the short cularly by making irrigation est possible time so that the facilities available at a lower yield per acre may increase cost by cheapening the rates several fold and flood and of irrigation taxes. drought may become things of the past. (2) That highest priority should be given to providing cheap (7) That a multi-purpose River and easy agricultural credit Valley Scheme to control the to destitute farmers for agri river Ghagra, Rapti and Gan- cultural operations such as dak with their tributaries for ploughing the land, pur should be immediately pre chasing the seeds and carry pared and included for exe ing out other essential agri cution in the Second Five cultural processes at cheap Year Plan itself, so that East rates of interest so that they U.P. and North-West Bihar may be in a position to invest may be saved from recurring the necessary capital for floods and droughts and cheap raising crops on their fields. electric power may be avail able for starting small-scale (3) That the required amount of cottage industries in every fertilizers should be imported village, and large areas may without the least possible be brought under irrigation. delay to increase agricultural output per acre. Method* to ( 8) That money spent on import • increase night soil and farm of foodgrains should be spent yard manure in the fields in helping the cultivators to should also be devised. grow more food by providing Motion re IB SEPTEMBER 1998 Appraisal and Prorpectt 7254 of the Second Five Year P&m them with liberal credit, (15) That universal compulsory cheap irrigation, fertilisers, education upto the age of 14 good seeds and the results of as provided in the Constitu latest agricultural researches tion should be achieved by for fighting plant diseases and the end of the Second Five raising the yield per acre. Year Plan by giving education (9) That agriculture should be top priority, by minimising made more profitable b y im expenditure on buildings and provement in animal hus costly furniture and opening bandry, poultry, dairying schools in every village im and milk supply. mediately so that every child may have the opportunity of (10) That land should be redistri going to his village school and buted village-wise so no per the most brilliant and pro son who lives by agriculture mising students should be may be without land and co helped to obtain higher scien operative farming be adopted tific education. in every village to overcome the effects of fragmentation of (16) That heavy industries should holdings as quickly as possi be given top priority so that ble and this should be the the country may be able to main programme of Com produce its own machines and munity Development and industrial plants as soon as National Extension Service possible; and Blocks. (17) That corruption must be (11) That as a result of these rooted out ruthlessly from measures the target for pro every walk of national life duction of food in the country by exemplary punishment should be raised to at least and people’s co-operation.” 100 million tons of foodgrains Mr. Deputy - Speaker: Now, about the b y 1961. allotment of time. Ten hours in all (12) That a thorough enquiry were allotted. should be conducted into the present organisation of our Shri B n ] Raj Singh: The hem. Minis defence forces and ruthless ter has taken more than an hour. economy should be enforced Mr. Deputy-Speaker: That time was in it so that the maximum also included in the ten hours that effective strength of the de were allotted. fence forces may be secured with the least amount of ex Shri Braj Raj Singh: It will have to penditure and efforts should be doubled. be made to make the country self-sufficient m producing Mr. Deputy-8peaker: Then we shall its defence equipment of the have to sit after 5 o’clock. latest and most advanced Several hon. Members: Certainly, Purchases of obsolete arms Sir. should be cancelled forthwith. Mr. Depnty-Speaker: We can sit one (13) That compulsory military hour extra today. training for a period of two years should be provided to Several bon. Members: Yes, Sir. every Indian National. Shri Braj Raj Singh: That will not (14) That the army personnel suffice. should be employed in peace • times for productive national Shri Raghunath Singh: It may be work during specified hours. extended by another four hours. 7^55 -Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1988 Appraisal and Prospect* 7256 of the Second Five Year Plan Mr. Deputy-Speaker: That we will Minister has put a brave face on the see afterwards. We have a long way present posture of the Plan, he has to travel. underrated the seriousness of the situa tion and there are certain indications which have lately become rather pro r*rf^< ?rr^ # ^ vct f*nr Shri H. N. Mukerjee (Calcutta— Central): Sir, I have listened with Before the Second Five-Year Plan much care and even more patience to the long and laboured exposition was finalised there had been joint consultations between Government of my hon. friend, the Minister of Planning. and other parties and even though the Consultative Committee had no exe Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The duration cutive powers, I had an idea that cer of the speeches would normally be tain benefits accrued from such con fifteen minutes. Of course, the leaders sultations. Last year and this I have of groups may take twenty to thirty referred to this matter and occasion minutes, but thirty minutes should be ally the hon. Prime Minister appeared the maximum because there are very to agree that there should be consul many speakers. I have got a list of tations from time to time between about 70 hon. Members already, who Government and other parties in re wish to speak and there may be some gard to the Plan, but no such thing has others who have not sent in their actually taken place. I feel that in names and would try to catch my eye Parliament discussion certainly is ex otherwise. Therefore, they may keep tremely useful and important but in mind the difficulty that I would there is naturally a tendency to score be experiencing. debating points and therefore apart from discussions in Parliament which, Shri H. N. Mukerjee: I have listened of course, will continue there should carefully and patiently...... be an implementation of the assur ances of the hon. Prime Minister re Start Sinhasan Singh (Gorakhpur): garding serious consultations between There are groups in which there are Government and other parties speci only one or two men. ally when the Plan is in something Shri Braj Raj Singh: There are no like a serious posture of danger. such groups. Mr. Depnty-Speaker: The Chair shall have to take that into considera I do not wish to take up a “holier tion. than thou’ attitude. I do not want to say, “I told you so” , but I find that in Shri H. N. Mukerjee: I have listen July, 1955, when the Second Plan ed carefully and patiently to the hon. frame was published, my Party, the Planning Minister’s exposition, but I Communist Party, had put in a memo am afraid I am not particularly im randum to the Planning Commission pressed. I think it is necessary to say in which certain warnings were pro at the outset that though the hon. mulgated. We had told the Planning Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1968 Appraisal and Prospects 7258 of the Second Five Year Plan Commission, for example, that the if they cannot’ be implemented quick projected Plan was linked with world ly, should be postponed, in order to capitalist market which was crisis- increase production. This is a most ridden and therefore we might have amazing thing. This is in defiance of to pay the price pretty soon. We told the Planning Commission’s Lanagra committed to. I say also that the Min rian reforms. We warned that there istry of Community Development was no attempt at all-round strength which is run by a reputedly live-wire ening of the national economy to take Minister, whom I find described in an bold action against foreign capital official publication as being a young interests and land-lordism in India, man not clogged by protocol or red to curb monopoly capital and to im tape, has been yet unable to show any prove the condition of the people, and mentionable result. And meanwhile, we had said that the possibilities of food imports total about Rs. 278 cror development along capitalist lines, and es in the first two years of the Plan, that within the limitations of the and the budget provision for the third present economic structure of India, year is Rs. I l l crores. were unquestionably limited, and, Shri Nanda told us yesterday that therefore, a point would arrive when in 1957-58 there was a decline of 9’ 8 Government would have to take a per cent in food production. And the very much more drastic attitude in Planning Commission blames the the direction of a socialist advance. weather for this particular phenome So, what we find is that at the non! Meanwhile, the irrigation poten moment, there is a Commonwealth tial remains unused because of burden, conference going on at Montreal, some bureaucratic obstacles and the where the papers reported that the poverty of the cultivators. But high fear was expressed of communist officials explain that even in very ad trading and technical power expand vanced countries, irrigation potential ing, and India and other countries created takes— a long time to be uti getting into touch with those powers. lised. A ll this is very peculiar. The But, as a matter of fact, it is very im- recent official shift to minor irrigation, ; portant that we should not remain though welcome is belated and ia yoked to the crisis-ridden economy much too lukewarm to be taken seri of capitalism in decline and I fear ously. Our people are in agony. They that Government today has no reali fight for food, as in the UP and West sation of that particular point of view. Bengal, and Government, except in rare flashes at Delhi, show neither understanding nor efficient prosecu The result is that in regard to food, tion of its job. No wonder the Plan in regard to employment, and in re founders on the rocks of food. gard to the position in prices, and in foreign exchange and internal resour In regard to employment, I need not ces, we are today in a quandary. My give the figures; these are very well hon. friend the Food Minister, Shri known and are almost staggering. A. P. Jain was taking shelter the But it is rather ironic to remark that other day in the other House behind only a few years ago, the Prime Minis the coat-tails of the Prime Minister ter had said that this present genera whom he described as a super-agri tion was happily sentenced to hard culture Minister. And I And that only labour, but our people today want a few months ago, in June this year, work and they are receiving not work, he was talking of exporting food in a not food, but stones instead. ,The few years, ■and then today, in a blue backlog of unemployment is absolute funk he suggests that land reforms, ly frightening, and the number of 7*59 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal vend Proxpectt jifJ i of the Second Five Year Plan [Shri H. N. Mukerjeej. employment opportunities to be creat ed is going to diminish under the new mean that for a long time our entire scheme of things. foreign exchange resources will be spent up in repaying the present loans. About the position of prices, the The terms of foreign aid also indicate Minister made certain references, and a character which is not particularly T said that it was absolutely a criminal wholesome; the interest is exorbitant, matter that Government had failed it is 5£ per cent plus one per cent completely in holding the price line. commission on World Bank loans, Government had given an assurance which compares very badly with in that that should be done in regard to terest charged by socialist countries, coal and iron and steel and cement for Soviet aid implies only 2 } per and such things. Government was in cent interest, and there is no question a position statutorily to maintain the of a commission. American aid also price line, but Government did not do means that we are compelled against so. Whenever the employers wanted the basic formulations of our economic a price increase, Government gave policy to buy an enormous amount of them their pound of flesh, but when the farm surpluses, and to find out ever a worker wanted some improve money from American sources for ment in the amenities, naturally the overheads and also to allocate a large worker was described as being proportion of whatever aid comes from traitorous to the interests of the com America to the private sector. Now, munity. But this failure to hold the the Prime Minister has told us many price line is something which certainly times about the public sector control Government will have to answer for. ling the strategic heights of the economy. But the public sector here Then, in regard to foreign exchange, occupies a very little fraction of our maybe, the Finance Minister who is industrial organisation; S '9 per cent now peregrinating abroad is not un or something like that was the figure happy, he is obviously in a cheerful which was calculated by Dr. Loka- frame of mind, from the accounts nathan recently. And the public sector which come, and I am not surprised is almost going to abdicate if the con because only the other day, the boss ditions on which American aid is of the Forum of Free Enterprise was given are going to be maintained. good enough to send us a speech of his on Tw o Years of Achievement', and he suggested that the two former In this connection the World Bank, Finance Ministers should be “impeach about whose generosity to us we hear ed” in Parliament, but the present so much, has given us some advicc Finance Minister was showing some which is particularly pernicious, and evidence of “the dawn of a little real this advice possibly is almost by way ism.” This “ dawn of a little realism" of a command. In this advice, tht; is rather dangerous, and I wish at least World Bank tells us absolutely the Minister of Labour and Planning, gratuitously,—and we are directors of Shri Nanda, is not taken in by this the World Bank to a certain extent; idea of a dawn of new realism. I am how fantastic the position is, I do not afraid that what we are doing now know— on the question of foreign aid is to mortgage our future development We have to pay, as Shri Nanda told “India has already heavily mort us yesterday, about Rs. 100 crores gaged her future foreign exchange every year from 1958-59 to 1962-6S earnings, even before account is only# by way of repayment of the loans taken of the additional loans that which we have taken. Now, further may be sought for the completion loans are being added, which will of the Second Five Year Plan.". 726i Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1858 Appraisal and Prospects 72,62 of the Second five Year Plan It goes on to say: In regard to the British loan of £40 million which has been given to us, '‘India has pursued welfare at for which we are so effusively thank the expense of efficiency.” ful. the British paper Financial Times said that this “hard-headed and useful It is not for them to say so. Though piece of economic assistance” was they lend us money, we shall pay really nothing very generous on the through our nose; we shall sweat and part of Britain because it was only toil in order to pay them back, and it 20 per cent of the annual rate of is not for them to tell us that we drawal on India’s sterling balances of are pursuing welfare at the expense nearly £200 million which if continu o f efficiency. And they liHe about ed would have meant a greater dram ‘lavish social amenities usually as* on Britain’s resources than the £40 •ociated with new Government fac million which have been lent now. tories’. Shri Nanda knows very well The Financial Times goes on to say how lavish are the social amenities something which is very noticeable. enjoyed by our workers. And they The most remarkable development “in refer to a recent talk of a system of the new Indian financing (of which unemployment insurance for industrial the British credit is but a part), has workers, as if that is a piece of sin been the way in which the World and a crime which the World Bank Bank has co-ordinated it". The bosaes are not going to tolerate in Bank has been enabled, the Financial our country. They call for rationalisa Times comments, “ to exercise a super tion. They want that there should be vision over economic policy, which no proper housing in this country, and would be an infrigement of sover they say that the Government’s policy eignty if any Government were to o f progressively reducing inequalities attempt it” . This come* from Britain o f income and wealth may be difficult This comes from the l&iited States. to reconcile with the aim of rapid This comes from the people who economic development. These are the engineered the miserable Suez crisis mentors, these are the helpers, these which cost us more than Rs. 30 crores are the people who will'take us across according to the calculations made by the hurdles which we are facing all the Planning Commission. This is the over the place. No more public sector kind of advantage which the crisis- — it is said, ridden economy of the West now wishes to enjoy over us. In spite of "That State hag played a vital that, at Montreal what we are trying ro le.... now that this process is to do is to highlight our association well under way, the Government with the crisis-ridden capitalist system would be well advised to avoid and to low-light our association with assuming new responsibilities, the socialist world and to tell the especially so far as investment m world, so to speak, that we are very industry and mining is concern faithful followers in the camo of ed.” what is called western democracy. All this is extremely dangerous as far as They talk so about oil and mining the future of our plan is concerned. My friend the Minister of Mines and Oil is here. I know our Government Shri Nanda has talked about our is not going to abide by these things. planning being non-regimen ted, demo I say it is a very dangerous portent cratic, and all the rest of that sort of when people on whom you depend and thing. It is all very good to talk about inexorably depend as you imagine, it. Who wants to be regimented it people to whose star you have hitched regimentation can be done away with? your wagon, are talking in this fashion Who does not want absolute freedom bo that they may have a strangle-hold to do whatever one liked? We hear upon the apparatus of our economy. a lot of talk about the way o f life. IOTA L.SJ3__ _ 7363 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 19ft8 Appraisal and Prospects 7364 of the Second Five Year Plan [Shri H. N. Mukerjee] We expound our democracy, our plan In this connection, I would like to ning as Implying a new way oi life. refer to the fact that tjjere has been Where are we going? When are we in recent years a rise in foreign busi going to begin to deliver the goods? ness investments in our country, which That is the point. We have heard is fairly substantial. At the end of people say often that the accent ot June 1948, foreign business investment Indian planning is on the attainment in India amounted to Rs. 287-7 crores. of positive goals, raising of living At the end of December, 1963, it was standards, enlargement of opportuni 419-5 crores. The latest figures avail ties for all, creation of a sense of able about the period at the end of partnership among all sections of the December, 1955, is Rs. 480-7 crores. community. What has happened? This kind of increase in foreign invest ment in this country shows a danger What has happened in regard to these ous tendency, especially when we sre objectives? What has actually taken not in a position to control it, not in place is so infinitesimal and the a position even to control the remit patience of the people is being so sore tance of extra profits. Therefore, this ly tried and Government’s dependence is a phenomenon about which we on the most dubious capitalist inter have to be careful. ests is becoming so much pronounced that naturally, the country has to In regard also to the rise in the esti warn the Government and ask the mates of expenditure about the steel Government to cry halt to the pursuit plants and delay in construction, my of the present policies. hon. friend the Minister has tried to In regard to social services, we are explain it away. But. I feel that it is now going to have a fairly substantial rather important. This matter should cut. Shri Nanda yesterday said that not have been allowed to happen and there is going to be in the social ser I think, that with some care, perhaps, vices “an unfavourable change”—I if we wanted to put our foot down as never knew my friend, Shri Nanda, far as- these foreign interests were con who is fairly plain-spoken, as a mas cerned, we could have made sure that ter of euphemism in this way—“un the estimates would not have risen so favourable change” in the direction of very much. The Rourkela estimates social services. But, the fact remains have risen from Rs. 12S crores to that in spite of Shri Nanda assuming Rs. 170 crores. The Bhilai estimates that we are sticking to Rs. 4,800 have risen from Rs. 110 crores to crores, somehow or other, we shall do Rs. 131 crores and the Durgapur esti it, the physical targets are very much mates have risen from Rs. 115 crores less than what we had anticipated to Rs. 138 crores. The progress of when the Plan was formulated. I know construction has also been delayed. we cannot have a rigid adherence to This is a serious matter about which the targets. It may be, sometimes, we should be very careful. targets are not fulfilled. But, there must be some understandable state The Planning Commission, some ment in regard to what the position time ago, supplied us with a docu is, in regard to how the position is ment about foreign exchange resourc going to be rectified. That has not es and it said that Rs. 400 crores of been done at all. On the contrary, we outstanding foreign exchange commit And things are happening which show ments of the private sector cannot be how dependent we are no capitalist described in any detail because the interests where recessions and crises breakdown is not available. Something have made their appearance in a very must be very fishy in regard to the serious fashion. Therefore, our part activities of the private sector and our ners in the Plan are such people as foreign exchange position. As much reallji cannot be depended upon. as Rs. 400 crores outstanding foreign 7365 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7266 of the Second Five Year Plan exchange in regard to the commit figure given in this session of Parlia ments of the private sector show no ment is Rs. 287*32 crores. It is most breakdown at all. That report also amazing that this kind of thing goes told us that the outstanding commit on and we talk of lack of resources. ments on defence are “exceedingly I feel that we have to change the heavy.” Shri Nanda has told us that direction or we are going to sink in defence expenditure is likely to ex the mud. ceed our estimates by Rs. 225 crores. L>ast session my hon. friend Acharya 13 hrs. Kripalani had drawn attention to this I am glad that the Planning Minis increasing expenditure on defence in a ter says that in regard lo taxation he very serious fashion and he had refer is going to have enough money. If he red to the traditions of our country. can get it well and good. But I feel But, what I would like to say is this. that the direction of taxation has got We are all keen that the defence of to be changed; the way in which the our country should not be jeopardised load of taxation has fallen u p on the the least little bit. At the same time, poor that has got to be changed and we know very well that under cover the administration of the apparatus of of talk of defence, a great deal of taxation has got to be changed. Eva hanky-panky is going on. That has sion has to .be prevented and better got to be stopped. Only the other day, administration has to take place. a former Finance Minister Shri C. D. Deshmukh said that outmoded junk But what do we find? We find was purchased to his certain know Ministers of Government, holders of ledge for military purposes and stores Cabinet office, like the Law Minister, were purchased more or less in that for example, writing publicly in the fashion. Where is our statesmanship? AICC Economic Review that income- When are we going to adopt a policy tax collections were showing a falling which will enable us to spend less on off not because of the evading tendency defence? After all, we depend for of some of his friends, but because it the defence of our country, not so was sapping the incentive of people to much upon the weapons, usually the earn money either at the Bar or in outmoded weapons which we get from other places. It is an amazing propo our democratic friends, but upon the sition to come from a Minister of Gov Mon-hearted resistance of our people. ernment who writes in the AICC If you alienate your people, if you Economic Review and such a sort of lo^r> affection of tht. pLoplc, if you thing goes completely unpunished. I make the people feel that the Plan cannot understand a parliamentary Itself is a peculiar proposition which set up where Ministers of Government brings no benefit to them even in the make such pronouncements and go foreseeable future, surely some Scot-free. They do not get the order thing is very wrong indeed. of the lash which they should from their superiors over there. It suggests how the taxation system that we I would like also to say that when have got today is so bad and it is we think of the internal resources, a sought to be changed in the direction problem as such arises. It is most in which it is antagonistic to the inter amazing that income-tax arrears, tor ests of the people. It is there that example, according to Government the Planning Minister has to statements, are rising from year to step in; it is there that he has to year. Two years ago, it was Rs. 180 step in; it is there that he has to say crorea—simply arrears: not the evad that this sort of thing has got to be ed amount of income-tax about which stopped,—the retrograde taxation nobody is certain, which is fabulous. policy has got to be stopped Merely arrears of income-tax amount ed in 1987 to Rs. 180 crores. Then it Then extravagance has got to be came to Rs. 208 crores and the latest stopped. Mr. Deshmukh has said only 7267 Motion re IS SEPTEMBER 1968 Appralml and Prospects 7368 of the Second Flue Year Plan [Shri H. N. Mukerjee] the other day that to his certain know continued dependence on foreign aid ledge one hundred crores of rupees is extremely dangerous to the future were frittered away in indiscriminate of our country and to the freedom at licences for imports. In the pamphlet India. It i ; more than time that we supplied to us by the Planning Com realise that the tackling of the food mission an unworthy attempt was problem can be done successfully even made to defend this position. It said without that kind of paramount depen that “over-liberal import of consumer dence on foreign aid. Why don’t we goods would have had a relatively try first of all to increase the output small effect.” It is most amazing for of food and other agricultural products the Planning Commission to minimise through a policy which has been, on this kind of thing. Morally it is most principle, adopted by the party to reprehensible; materially speaking which the Planning Minister belongs, also, it is extremely significant. the policy of land to the tiller and the organisation of peasantry? If you can The Planning Commission has also not organise cooperatives or collectives lately told us that the expenditure on straightaway you can at least have a delegations, on buildings, air-condi- kind of mutual aid schemes to obtain tioning and that kind of thing, is very the advantages of collective labour, trifling. Acharya Kripalani is here and despite individual farms. You can I think he will support me in regard have State-trading in food grains and to this. It is not merely the quantum other major products to stabilise of the money that you are throwing foreign markets. Thirdly, adequate away for no good reason that is im development of heavy industry in the portant; it is the principle of the mat public and the joint public and pri ter. We find the Railway Ministry is vate sector is extremely important putting up a new building in Delhi But for that purpose we should see and they say they are going to spend to it that oar link, our dependence. Is Rs. 78 lakhs. I can take a bet—it will not with the crisis-ridden countries of come to more than a crore of rupees, the capitalist world. To a certain ex there is no doubt about it. The tent their money is welcome, but we Ashoka Hotel which is a scandal of should not get so tied up, we should dimensions that I do not wish to des not get so entangled, as it appears that cribe, cost us more than Rs. 2J crores we have been entangled, that our and it has cost us not only in money future would be endangered. but in ignominy from day to day. Only the other day we had an answer Mr. Deputy-Speaker; The hon. in Parliament that more than Rs. 22 Member has taken half-an-hour. lakhs were spent in Delhi alone for air-conditioning purposes. All this Shri H. N. Mokerjee: There is only added up come to a total which is one other speaker from our side. large. Prom the point of view of quantum it is important, but from the Shri T y tfi (Dehra Dun): He is say point of view of principle it is even ing something interesting! Let him more important and it is very neces proceed. sary that it is this kind of thing which Government should take into con Shri H. N. Makerjee: I would sug sideration. gest in regard to development of heavy industries, the assistance of socialist I feel, therefore, that it is nece sary countries and other favourably-dispos that we change the direction. It is ed countries, not countries which want necessary that we told our people that to dictate financial and economic poli wfe cannot go in in the way that w# cies to us, which want to champion have done so far. It is necessary that the cause of the private sector in we realise once and for all that the India, might be taken from time to 7369 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7270 o f the Second Five Year Plan time. But they must be taken with Compulsion, plus incentives, plus some such reservations as are absolutely kind of a clever manipulation of finan necessary. cial policy would certainly bring to surface a great deal of gold which ia Then we should try to prevent re hoarded in this country and which is mittance abroad of excessive profits by a continuing drag on our economy. foreign business operating in our coun try. We should try to immunise, so Then we want a proper import con to speak, our economy from the effects trol. The export promotion schemes of declining activities in the capitalist which have been advertised, smack too world through a d e q u a te development much of mere publicity and proper of mutually beneficial relations with import control is not made because the crisis-free socialist world. 1 have priorities have not been properly referred already to the question of drawn up. I say this with some hesita taxation. That is important—the tion because I do not wish to suggest administration, the proper administra that our agencies in the Commerce and tion of taxation, and the elimination Industry Ministry are not doing their of tax evasion, taxation of the wealthy job. But I feel that on so many rather than imposition of tax burden occasions things are imported and on the poor. We can increase the sur sometimes the justification Is given plus produce of the public sector by that capital goods have been imported, raising its efficiency, by extending it but capital goods necessarily should to other fields like banking, foreign not get an import priority. For ex and internal trading in food-grains, ample, if we bring here capital goods raw cotton, raw jute, major oil seeds, for the production of cosmetics, we tea, sugar, coal, oil products, cement, certainly save some foreign exchange, fertilisers, and so on and so forth, so but it may be that the production of that our public sector might expand cosmetics has a very low priority, if and might take a larger chunk of the any place at all, in the scheme of national product and utilise them for things which my hon. friend Shri the purposes of the Plan. Lai Bahadur Shastri would prefer to Then, Sir, reduction in Government day. And therefore it is important expenditure and rationalisation of de that merely in the name of capital fence and civil administration are goods certain things should not be im absolutely necessary. After that, I ported. For example, we are bring wish to suggest—especially because ing in machinery because it is ma Mr Nanda is the Planning Minister, chinery. that we have to get ahead with the idea of labour participation in the Mr. DeiMty-Spe&ker: He has ex management. Only the other day a hausted his five minutes. question elicited an answer that only Shri H. N. Mukerjee: That machin in eleven units so far labour partici ery perhaps could be manufactured in pation in management has been in this country in a few years time by troduced. This is wrong. special, additional effort. I suggest, therefore, that on the question of im Then again we heard that there is port control and on the question of so much smuggling of gold and there is export encouragement something very so much smuggling of Indian currency seriously is done. to countries in the Persian Gulf area. Much of that could be stopped. And in I have finished. My conclusion regard to gold, gold could be turned would be that first things need to be into sinews of economic growth. We set first, and we have forgotten our can tackle the security vaults. Gov first and basic duty, and that is to ernment has got legislative power to touch the emotional core in the Hearts see how much gold and other precious of our people. I had so many things metals are secreted In the security to say and I am sorry I cannot refer vaults; but Government does not do it. to them for lack of time, but I would 7271 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appra.ita.1 and Proapvctt 7272 of the Second Five Year PIon [Shri H. N. Mukerjee] end up by referring to a Sanskrit year. If you want to get Rs. 500 crores sloka which has gome relevance even more from foreign exchange, you will to the name of our hon. Minister of have to dump your goods in the for Planning. Our Minister of Planning eign markets, and you will have happily carries the name of Nanda, to starve your people internally. It and there is that famour Sanskrit is very good for Shri Mukerjee to couplet which says: talk about things in an unconnected manner, but if he is plannmg-cons- cious he has got to face these things *nrf ■JTJrfor in a co-ordinated rfianner. But I have >» no desire to spend the little time that qrr«frf?r is at my disposal in refuting some of the most superficial and supercilious w : fTFjf-r 1 arguments that have been put forward Let everybody everywhere be happy. by Shri Mukerjee. I shall confine my In our own country let everybody attention to four points: firstly, the everywhere be happy. Let Shri Nanda foreign exchange problem in the coun be the instrument for seeing that try; secondly, the problem of inter everybody everywhere is happy. Let nal resources; thirdly, the structure of that happiness come, but that happi the Plan; and lastly, the question of reorientation, the nature and the need ness will not come unless Government of reorienting the Plan. basically changes its policies, because I fear that Government has taken to tread on the wrong path, Government As far as the foreign exchange pro has perhaps taken...... blem is concerned, none can gainsay Mr. Deputy-Speaker: This thing the fact that the foreign ex should not have come after the couplet. change position in the past has been handled ineptly, that a consi derable amount of foreign exchange Shri Asoka Mehta (Muzaffarpur): 1 was frittered away, but I shall am grateful to the hon. Minister for not go into that because this is not making available to us useful informa the time for recrimination. But I tion. I listened to the speech of my would suggest that even now we must hon. friend Shri H. N. Mukerjee, and not relax our efforts. We are grate I was surprised that while he began ful for the assistance, for the massive with a reference to the crisis and the assistance that friendly countries have danger of collapse of the Plan, all that given us, and we are entitled to cele he offered us was an aggressive Com brate the easing of the foreign ex munist speech. He evidently accepts change position, because we have the Plan as it stands, the pattern he been promised credit by March next accepts. The Plan requires for its year of 435 million dollars as against implementation Rs. 1,700 crores of our estimated requirements of 350 foreign exchange. From where is it to million dollars. Therefore, we can say come? If you do not want foreign that the position has somewhat eased, exchange, if we are to sneer at foreign but we must therefore not relax our assistance in the manner Shri efforts. I suggest that the problem of Mukerjee and his friends are accus foreign exchange is going to be vital tomed to do in this House and outside, for the rest of the Plan and for the it is his responsibility to show us the Third Plan period. Obviously, it alternative. The only alternative can would be unwise on our part to de be the stepping up of our exports at pend upon foreign credits and the rates, which would put heavy burdens generosity of friendly countries. That ftpon our people as is being done in is the last thing upon which we should Chins. In China, foreign exports are depend, but we hare not become suffi being subsidised by Rs. 110 crores « ciently export-conscious. 7273 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7274 of the Second Five Year Plan 1 am very happy Shri Lai Bahadur industry. Nothing is being done to see Shastri is here. More than once 1 that its internal efficiency is increased, have invited his attention to the fact and the result is that our export poten that this export promotion business tiality continues to be sluggish. There lacks the requisite awareness. For in fore, though the foreign exchange stance, what is the kind of pattern and crisis has eased and as I said we are structure of foreign trade that we entitled to celebrate the occasion, this envisage in the years to come? is the time when we should look ahead, we should plan properly, so that we 1 would like to invite the attention may not be found napping a second of the Planning Minister as well as tlit time. Minister of Commerce and Industry to the recent report by the Royal Com As far as internal resources are con mission on Canada’s economic pro.s- cerned, as the reappraisal points out, pects. In the course of that very in the central problem in the reappraisal of the plan is the mgnitude of the in teresting report, which I am sure the Planning Minister has seen, it is said. ternal resources that can be raised. Undoubtedly this is the crucial pro “Demand will continue to be blem. Now I think there again the high for industrial raw materials. problem was well stated by the ear There may well be a buyers’ mar lier memorandum when it said that ket for foodgrains and manufac the striking feature of the re tured goods.” sources position over these years is that the balance available from What is going to happen in the* current revenue has remained more or world in the next five or ten yeais? less around Rs. 140 to Rs. 150 crores. There is going to be an increas4nfc The budgetary resources available for demand for industrial raw materials. our Plan have remained stagnant at India is not in a position to expoit Rs. 140 to Rs. 150 crores in very much either capital goods or the spite of the fact that a big tax products of light industries. What we effort has been made involving an can hope to export in a large measure increase in our revenues during the is ultimately industrial raw material, Plan period of about Rs. 900 crores. agricultural produce and the mineral Our revenues have increased to such products from our country. It is an extent because this House has co this primary sector that needs tc be operated with the Government in attended to if we are to become ex putting newer and newer burdens port-minded. Not only for the pur upon the people, but the result has poses of food self-sufficiency is agri been - that we have remained stagnant culture of vital importance, but even as far as the budgetary resources for for the purpose of stepping up our ex the Plan are concerned. In the first port, agriculture continues to be the three years of the Plan, though only ' key sector in our economy. 50 per cent of what we had planned to spend during the Plan has so far Secondly, as far as export industries been utilised, only 44 per cent of the are concerned, very much more needs resources has so far come from budge ■ to be done. The textile industry—my tary resources, as was pointed out by hon. friend Shri Somani may or may the Minister himself yesterday. The not agree with me, but the fact re position as far as the economy is- con mains, and I can say it with a consi cerned has been that though the derable amount of knowledge and Centre will be raising taxes worth responsibility—is an utterly inefficient Rs. 500 crores over the original Plan industry by and large, and hardly any target—mind you Rs. 500 crores more, thing is being done to step up an than we will be raising as targeted for industry that is protected, that is shel in the Plan, when the Plan was drawn tered, that Is permitted to grow under up—the expected benefit to the Plan all kinds of controls favourable to the Is just Rs. 45 crores. The States were 7275 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1966 Appraisal and Prospects 7270 of the Second Fine Year Pton [Shri Asoka MehtaJ expected to find Rs. 20 crores a year emmcnt borrowings now are not only from current revenue at pre-Plan larger, but the money market is very rates. In practice, in the first two years, easy. There has been, as the Eastern. the States have been minus by Rs. 10 Economist points out today a veritable crores and Rs. 20 crores respectively. revolution in the money market. Bank Expenditure outside the Plan is ex deposits have been shooting up. Bank pected to be anywhere—I do not deposits today are perhaps larger than, know— between Rs. 600 crores and the total currency in the country. The Rs. 800 crores. deposits-advance ratio has been falling, and the result has been that the money Now, we are told that as a measure market is easy. We are today enter of economy, we will cut down ex ing an era of borrowing from strength* penditure by Rs. 80 crores. We permit that is, borrowing in our own country, our expenditure to rise by a few borrowing cheap. The money market hundred crores and then decide, of is easy and I hope that the Govern course midway in the Plan, that we ment will be able to see that the mone will be cutting it down. The whole tary policies continue to remain such difficulty is that we are not develop as will enable us to raise more and ment-conscious. We are permitting more loans because that is also a part our very limited resources to be frit of budgetary resources. These loans tered away in all kinds of non- are also internal resources and the developmental activities outside the more we are able to take advantage of Plan. Unless you are able to exer them, the better it will be. cise a considerable amount of vigi lance on non-development and non- Suggestions have been made about Plan activities, I am afraid this pro raising additional resources. Now, as blem of inadequate internal resources far as the States are concerned. If you is bound to continue. study carefully—as, I am sure, you have done— the two brochures that Even in this reappraisal, no thought have been placed before us, the addi has been given to the likely conse tional money that is to be raised is quences of the recommendations of the mainly to come from the agriculturists. Central Pay Commision. You can go The planners expect Rs. 95 crores to be through the reappraisal. We will have raised from the agriculturists. As to wait for another reappraisal when against that, Rs. 11.6 crores have been the Report of the Central Pay Com raised through betterment levy and the mission comes out. The impact of it rest of it. I do not know whether in will be felt upon the non-Plan ex penditure. the difficult and unsettled conditions in which we find our agrarian economy These are things where it is useful because of our failure to vitalise, to to look ahead. It is no use calculating energise, our rural sector, it is again on the basis that we are going to cut realistic to hope that we shall be able down our expenditure by Rs. 80 crores. to get about Rs. 100 crores over the I am prepared to say that »ur non- Plan period as against about Rs. 11 Plan, non-development expenditure crores for which provision hai been will go up by Rs. 100 crores in the made by additional taxation measures next two years, if not by more. These that have been levied by the State are the circumstances in which we are Governments. placed. Therefore, it is no use bring ing us in a reappraisal figures or cal A suggestion has been made—and I culations which are patently unrealis welcome that—for a special assessment tic. of lands that have acquired an urba» character. Yesterday the Minister drew There i.« one silver lining in the our attention very pointedly to rapid whole position and that is that Gov- urbanisation that it going on in the •jX’j'j Motion n 18 8XPTEUSER 19S8 Appraisal and Prospects 727S of the Second Five Year Plan country. As a result of rapid urbanisa pricing of our exports by 3 per cent— tion, inevitably there will be newer as if a 3 per cent commision on our and newer areas becoming part of entire foreign trade is being taken by urban localities and there will be un somebody somewhere I I sun not earned incomes. Immediate step* need suggesting that our exporters and im to be taken to see that these unearned porters are behaving in that manner, increments do not go into the pockets of but there must be a big leak some a few privileged people but are made where. This leak must be stopped. Hall available for development of the coun per cent of our national savings is try. something very big. We are struggl • ing to raise our rate of savings and Then again, the planners have been investments by two or three per cent repeatedly under-rating the require over the Plan period. Half per cent ments of the economy for maintenance of that every year is something very and repairs. The Planning Commis substantial. sion’s memoranda themselves admit that they have under-rated the re Therefore, there are so many as quirements for maintenance etc. as far pects to this question of internal re as foreign exchange resources are con sources that need to be considered I cerned. I say internally also these had hoped that the Minister would things are under-rated. Those of us have given a little more attention to who have applied our minds to the these, because he had said that ‘this way some of the big irrigation pro is the core of the Plan, this is the key jects have been costing find that one problem, the rest of the material we of the reasons is that the maintenance have with us’. How do you propose charges and other incidental require to come to grips with this probtem- ments needed for development, for the If you want to raise these resources, full utilisation of the irrigation poten then naturally the structure of the tial that is being created, have not Plan must change. Do you want the been envisaged. I do not know why structure of the Plan to keep on we keep on repeating these mistakes. changing, as it has been changing so Is it the idea that we want to go to far? That logically teads me to the Parliament and say: T x »k here, question of the structure of the Plan. this is a big plan, but only so much Due to additions to the Plan and resources will be needed’ and then we price rise, the Plan has grown to find that we get into a jam? I suggest almost Rs. 5600. If the old Plan with that a much more realistic method of whatever addition is really sought to planning is necessary so that we are not caught on the wrong foot, so that be implemented today, it would cost us in terms of money about Rs. 5,COO we may be able to convince Parlia crores, while the resources that we ment and the people that this is the amount of effort needed. And if the have and what we are likely to people do not put forth the effort, th«n achieve in fact are about Rs. 4,200 crores. 25 per cent of the Plan has the consequences would follow. been eroded. The Foodgrains In The problem of tax evasion is there. quiry Committee had pointed out— There is also the problem of smuggl whether the Committee was right or ing of gold. To both these, Shri H. N. wrong, it came to this conclusion— Mukerjee drew our attention. I would that as far as food production is con only like to point out that as a result cerned, we shall be reaching only of gold smuggling, half per cent of our about two-thirds of the target. As national savings are dissipated. The far as the private sector is concerned, gold smuggling that we know of to the Planning Commission themselves day—there might be something about concede that on the overall view, it it which we do not know enough—the may roughly be said that about 70-75 extent of the gold smuggling that we per cent of the original* targeted know works out to over-pricing of capacity will be achieved. Here again, our imports by 3 per cent and under- I am afraid the Planning Minister is ■jijg Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7280 of the Second Five Year Plan [Shri Asoka Mehta] unrealistic when he said that our because the Treasury Benches have national income will increase more or been saying over and over again that less by 25 per cent as planned for they are not doctrinaire, that they are and in other sectors of the economy production conscious and that they ■we hope to make the progress that are not interested in ideological con we have anticipated, except, as he siderations. I say, ‘if you are not said, in the private sector and in one interested in ideological considera or two places which he mentioned tions, at least see that production is yesterday. I say we should realise there’. If the Government had not .that the utmost we are called to hesitated, if the GoVernment had not achieve is three-fourths of the Plan wavered for two years on this ques and if things are put in terms of phy tion of coal production, I am sure sical targets, the Plan may be only the private sector would have been just 2/3 of what we had planned for able to see to it that the targets are and hoped for when we embarked reached. Either you permit the upon this great adventure of hope. private sector to go ahead; or if you do wot permit the private sector, see I know 1 am providing some grist that the public sector does not ■to my hon. friend, Shri Masani, but I behave in the lame and limping man cannot help it. If you look at the ner in which the public sector is Increase in allotment needed to reach permitted to function in this country. the Plan targets in the public sector I cannot understand an attitude as far as industries and minerals are where you are never able to make up concerned, the Plan targets have to be your minds. The worst tragedy of raised by 30 per cent; in the private this government is its inability to sector by 24 per cent and in steel by reach any kind of conclusion, a right 46 per cent. The foreign exchange conclusion or a wrong conclusion. component both in the public sector What the country needs today is a and the private sector has gone up by decisive policy and I hope and trust SI or 32 per cent. That means that that the Treasury Benches will at as far as the foreign exchange com least realise that we are moving to ponent is concerned, the rise in price wards a crisis where decisiveness, is the same. The extent of under courage and confidence are of greater calculation or the element of rise in importance than wisdom that comes prices works out to the same figure of out of wavering over the alternatives 31 per cent for the public sector and for all times to come. 32 per cent for the private sector. Acharya Kripalani: They have But, when we come to the expendi decided to go wrong. ture to be met internally, we find that in the private sector over 24 per cent, more money will be needed to reach Shri Asoka Mehta: I would like to the Plan targets and in the public point out that inevitably the Plan has sector we need 30 per cent more and become much more industry conscious. in steel 46 per cent more. Why is On industry and transport we shall it that we give an opportunity to the be spending 47 per cent of our total gentlemen who represent the private Plan allotment. And, social services •ector that they plan better, that they have suffered. Please realise that are more efficient? unless more resources are found, that means that unless non-developmental Then, again, I feel that in coal as expenditure is reduced to the well as in fertilizer! we shall be minimum, kept to the minimum, falling short of the targets which we unless additional resources are found aimed at simply because w e permit and all kinds of loopholes ax* plug ted ideological considerations to come ged, we shall find ourselves In an *n the way oi production. I say that even more desparate position because 7281 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7282 o f the Second Five Year Plan this is what the appraisal says on glamorous, maxfactored picture of page 19: the Plan but will go into the very heart of the problem. (Interruption.) “If in view of the resources position the Plan outlay cannot be I agree with Prof. Mukerjee that we raised to about Rs. 4,260 crores have reached a critical point today there will have to be a larger because of the slowing down of the cut on social services.” tempo of industrial growth. In 1957 I had warned on a previous occasion there has been only a 3-5 per cent that the hard core is bound to eat increase as against the 8 per cent in into the soft substance around. How each of the two previous years. There much are we spending on social ser is not just slowing dovm, there is loss vices? Rs. 4 per head per year. of the ground gained. That is what That is what we are spending today. the Reserve Bank report says: And, if that is to be eaten into further In order that the hard core may be “The unadjusted average of the put through, I think, it would be a index for January—April 1958 at dangerous thing. The only way it can 141-7 was, in fact, 0-ci per cent, be avoided is that we should be lower than the average for the very vigilant about our resour corresponding period of 1957.” ces and our expenditure. Wo are actually retreating and The hon. Minister invited our atten what this House has to decide is, are tion to economy in the building we going to permit the retreat to activities. That would be a good continue or are we going to reverse thing. 1 have on more than one that. We shall reverse that course occasion pointed out that we are and continue to move forward. spending about Rs. 1,000 to Rs. 1,200 Therefore for the future a great res crores on construction activities. But ponsibility rests upon our shoulders. how much are we getting by way of return in income tax etc.? Here is We are told in the various amend Shri Mahavir Tyagi who was entrus ments by friends whom I respect ted with the task. I hope he will that we should now consolidate. find it out and tell the House how Consolidation is a good thing, much do we get in terms of income- undoubtedly. But, I suggest, to be tax revenue from that particular satisfied with consolidation would be sector. a crime against future generations. We have got to move forward. In a The food prices have increased. I developing economy, there is a crit think, something like 4 to 5 million ical point of investment. Unless you tons of food grains are probably sold reach that—that is unless at least 10 in the urban areas. Out of the sharp per cent, of our national income is rise in food prices, I have no doubt saved and invested, there is no future that a number of traders have made for this country. It is the essence of considerable profit. Work out the a developing economy that a strong amount of profits that people have national effort is made. Over and made. How much of that flows back over again, Sir, it has been my effort into the Treasury? If it flows back into to point out that we should break the Treasury the inflationary rise in away from the traditional approach prices will have some counterbalance. with which we are accustomed. What are the returns you are getting Unless we arc willing to shoulder the as far as the collection of revenue is burden, unless we are willing to show concerned ? This is the kind of in imaginitiveness that is necessary to tensive probe into our economy that get over those forces today—and if baa to be done. I hope and trust that we are going to slacken, U w e , are the Planning Minister will not be going to fall back on this process of satisfied with merely giving us the consolidation alone—all that I <>*«* 7283 Morion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1058 Appraisal and Prospects 73*4 of the Second Fit>« Year Plan [Shri Asoka Mehta] say is that we shall have to retreat time lag before water resources get more and more. utilized. The resistance comes Attempts can be made to reorien because it is not easy for the farmer to adjust himself or accommodate tate the Plan. Emphasis on agricul ture, industries closer to agriculture, himself to the new possibilities and labour-using rather than labour- new patterns and new demands that the irrigation facilities provide. Like saving industries to be developed, wise, this great experiment of demo slowing down of heavy industries etc. cratic planning should get over the These are some of the suggestions hump and move' forward whereby made. Naturally, they need to be we shall be able to keep the momen considered very carefully not only tum going and the accelerators will not now but also when the Third Plan get slowed down. It means an entire is drawn up. ly different approach and an entirely different assessment of things. But, personally I am not in favour of changing the investment grid as The crisis is not so much econom envisaged in the Second Plan. I say ic; it is essentially political. It is that, even though I am likely to be misunderstood by many persons in this in the political life today that we have reached almost the dead end. I House,—I say that because it is my think that the time has come for us considered opinion which I have to come out of this economic impasse reached after very careful delibera tion—the large scale heavy industries and we should revise our thinking and reorientate our thinking as far constitute the most potent growth as political functioning and practical inducing sector in our economy and behaviour are concerned. we cannot and we should not easily permit that sector to go down. Mr. Depnty-Speaker: May I also solicit his attention? Please remember what was our grand strategy with which we started Shri Asoka Mehta: I will be finish the Plan. It was assumed that food ing in a minute. production and small production will be greatly increased by co-operative Mr. Depaty-Speaker: I am not ask and organised efforts of the people. ing him to conclude; I am only Lack of capital would be made up by soliciting his attention sometimes to larger input of organisation and this side also. He has been all along, enthusiasm. That was the grand I think, addressing Shri Mahavir strategy. Because we have failed on Tyagi...... (Interruptions) that front, let us not beat retreat on that front on which we are right. Shri Tyagi: I am his old admirer. Let us try and see why we are failing and whether we cannot set things Shri Asoka Mehta: Sir, ray diff right. If we are conscious of the iculty is light comes from this side crisis, if we are aware that we have and whenever I have to look to the to get out of the rut we have got points, I have to turn this side. into—after all enthusiasm means willingness to work in a different The last point that I want to make manner and more intensively—move is this. The whole problem of econom away from the traditional methods ic growth and economic develop and manners of functioning and the ment is full of pit-f&lls. Economic habits. What happens when water theory has not advanced where It reaches the farmer. The farmer's can provide us a kind of safe guid whole attitude has to change. That ance. But much thinking is going on, Is why there is a certain amount of and some tentative conclusions reached. 9385 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospect* 7286 0} the Second Five Year Plan I would invite attention to just two So, I would not take the time of the o f them. Pardon me, Sir, for indul House on these two issues: balance ol ging in theoretical hocuspocus. Theo payments and loans. retically, it is not the principle of so cial marginal productivity that Is According to the figures given by applicable to a developing economy the hon. Minister of Planning, our but that of the marginal per capita Plan deficit in balance of payments reinvestment quotient, meaning there originally stood at Rs. 1,100 crores. by, if you are only thinking in terms Now, it is estimated to go of just output or just consumption, up to nearabout Rs. 1,980 crores ignoring the whole problem of re which is really a staggering figure investment quotient, • then the de Efforts are being made to tide over velopment is bound to slow down. the difficulties and I cannot say that Then, certain rather startling con the method of working of the Plan clusions follow which some of us may has been altogether disappointing. not like. For instance, in a very Best efforts, I think, are being made. able article that was recently publish While we are progressing and proceed ed in the Quarterly Journal of Econo ing to build up the nation, there are mics—a high-brow journal as far as apt to be some lapses no doubt. When economics is concerned—the conclusion ever they are brought to the notice of drawn is this : the Ministry and criticised, if the Ministry is receptive to criticism, it “A constant or decreasing re helps the Ministry, whether the criti turns industry may have a higher cism comes from the Opposition or capital turnover ratio than an from elsewhere. Criticism opens our alternative increasing returns in eyes and I think the Government has dustry, but the increasing returns always been receptive to criticism. I industry may in the long run am sure the Government is more con make a greater contribution to scious than any one of us here about national product.” the internal and external resources. Sir, the whole question is this. However there is one thing that I Should we have, up to a certain want to emphasise—not that the Gov period, heavy industry or should the ernment is not aware of it. I think heavy industry be jettisoned and the Minister himself has confessed it. Is so much emphasis going to be laid pushed aside in the background? on internal finances as it deserves? I Shall we concentrate purely on in am reminded of my personal friend, dustries that will yield immediate re Shri Deshmukh, whom I admire so sults ? That is the first question of much. I was working with him as crucial importance and I say this his assistant and I have found that he •question should not be decided lightly. used to make a lot of scrutiny and 1 would beg of this House and of every case underwent a thorough you, Sir, to see that this matter which examination. The expendituH# side is very vitally important to the future was working rather very hard, look of our country must be guided by the ing into all the details. Over and best thought that can be given to above that, there was the Standing this subject. I hope and trust that Finance Committee of the Parliament when we talk about the re-orienta and that too had perhaps a very great tion of the Plan, we shall not permit effect on various projects’ expenditure. our traditional ideas and our preju All parties were represented on those dices to come in the way but we shall Committees which were elected by face the problem in a manly manner means of a single transferable vote. as has been the tradition of this great Hon. Members could advise and and ancient country. enlighten and thereby enable the Shrl Tyagl: Sir, my task has been spending Ministries to exercise better considerably lightened by the two hon. care and thorough examination. • I do Members who have already spoken. not propose that the same Committee 7287 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1056 Appraisal and Prospects 728$ of the Second Five Year Plan [Shri Asoka Mehta] should be brought into existence now. man in the country talks about it— The Government has already taken a that is about the control of population. decision. But my fears are these. A capital is made of family planning, Many hon. Members know and I have but I do not think there is anything also heard that they are now decen substantial done in this line. This is tralising the procedure of scrutiny one of the biggest questions facing the and the Ministries are becoming auto nation today. I propose that Govern nomous once the expenditure is agreed ment might take a bold action and, to at the Budget time. I am afraid perhaps, consider the feasibility o f the Government will have to be still encouraging sterilisation of men and more careful in the matter because women in cases where they have three hereafter expenditure will be incurred or more children in a family. I do by the Ministries independently and not say that any law should be made there may not be so much of co or any compulsion should be exercised, ordination between different schemes but I think that it can rightly be pro as my hon. friend, Shri Nanda desires. pagated. It is a reasonable thing and There is a lot of expenditure which people must respond to it. If the could be checked. According to the Government does not always care tt> figures supplied to us during the look into their activities from the Budget discussion, the expenditure on angle of gaining popularity or incur wages and salaries has gone to Rs. 518 ring unpopularity, there are sometimes crores in 1958-59 from Rs. 416 crores things which are unpalatable, but a9 a in 1956-57. It is rising higher and Government they have but to take higher and the Government may have them up. Let us try whether it will to look into this. With the progress be done voluntarily. This is a poor that we are making with our planning country and there are thousands and schemes, naturally the expenditure on thousands of families who would like wages and salaries will also propor to relieve themselves of additional tionately increase, but I would like burdens. Surely, it can also be said Government to look into it whether that they might observe celibacy or it is not being disproportionately exercise control. That is also very increased. good to say. But sometimes it becomes Then, Sir, a committee of the plan difficult. After all, they are human- ning project had recommended a beings. Why not give them a reduction of ten per cent, by changing security? So I thought that this may specifications and designs and by omit be included as one of your major ting such buildings as are not very items in the plan. essential, such buildings as could wait for some time. Our expenditure on buildings is a substantial one in these I must immediately come to the- Five Year Plans. I suggest that the main problem which is troubling me Minister may be pleased to inform the personally, not because I am per House as to what has happened to the sonally involved, but because I have recommendations of that committee. I been brought up in the environment would like to know whether they have of agriculture. The village problems given effect to them, whether orders are really going very bad today. My have been issued, or whether they are allegation is that, perhaps, we have still being considered by the Planning not been able to do full justice to the Commission or the Government. villages, our planning up till now has been mostly having an urban bias There was another matter which of and villagers are more or less neglect course, has been lost sight of. I do ed. There is agriculture, for instance. not know whether Planning Commis Although quite a lot of money has sion is prepared to handle this pro been allocated for the promotion of blem.*^ It is rather unpopular, but it is agriculture, perhaps, it still requirw quite a handy slogan, for, every big a re-thinking. 7289 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7290^ of the Second Five Tear Plan In the first place, as the House no family can save enough money to knows, there is the question of land build a pucka house; his income is management. Government have come limited to Rs. 300”. If that is the to a decision with regard to a policy shape of things coming in the villages, on land ceiling. That policy has also I think we should seriously reconsider been communicated to the State Gov it. I do want to record my opinion ernments. The State Governments— in this House that this policy has to also belonging to the same party— be revised. have fallen in line with the Central Government and they are taking up A graduate who comes from a uni actively the question of management versity after passing his B.Sc. of land. The policy#is that there must (Agriculture) will not be able to do- be some ceilings applied on land. And anything in his village. If he wants it has been prescribed for the State to invest Rs. 50,000 or Rs. 60,000 in his Governments to see that a holding farm or sink a tubewell, we will natu must not yield over Rs. 300 net income rally advise him not to do so because- per month or exceed 30 acres of land he will not get more than Rs. 300 as for a family. That is the ceiling that return from his investment. There they are going to apply. A villager fore, there will not be any investment told me: “Sir, what you say to us is on a large-scale. If you want to- this: the Congress Government’s rule encourage agriculture, economic forces is that a villager shall not be permit must be brought into play. The only ted to earn more than Rs. 300, per method of encouraging agriculture is month because in villages there is no to encourage it by means of manipula other profession than agriculture and tion of economic forces. there is a ceiling on agricultural hold ings to the extent of 30 acres or not I can understand if the whole village more than Rs. 300 net income per was to be formed into a co-operative month for a family. That means our farm. I would not object to that. I fate is sealed to Rs. 300”. I could not do not stand for individual capitalism answer his question, nor could I satisfy or things lik<» that. If by force or by him. He said: "I have two children. persuasion the whole village can be- I cannot send any of them to a college turned into a co-operative farm and because the college expenditure per everybody be made to enjoy the fruit child will come to Rs. 100 er more of labour, I would welcome it. Thereby and 1 will not be able to live. I can we might increase our agricultural not build a pucka house in my village produce. But to say that that will because I cannot earn more than not happen, they can have only indivi Rs. 300”. dual farms and the individual farms will be small, 1 think it is uneconomic. The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Community Development There is another slogan—we go- (Shri B. S. Murthy): I am very much mostly by slogans— raised today by a surprised that Shri Tyagi could not great man, Shri Vinoba Bhave, whom reply to the villager. I worship. His record of bhoodan is very good, because for a person who Shri Tyagi: If you were in the gives bhoodan it is not only a sort of village, you could know better. moral upliftment, it is also a spiritual upliftment. Therefore, it does a great Shri B. S. Murthy: I am of the good, no doubt. But the lands obtained village. out of bhoodan, I suggest, must be treated as a co-operative farm, one Shri Tyagi: That is what the villager big co-operative farm rather than it feels. He says: “ A villager shall never being distributed to each one who has be able to build a pucka house. It got no land. It is a very good slogan- is the law of urban rule that villagers to say that every landless man iftust shall not have pucka houses, because have land. Everyone shall have,. 7291 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1998 Appraisal and Prospects 7-292 of the Second Ftot Year Plan LShri Tyagi] Itecause it is after all a question of give the farmers a substantial incen mathematical distribution, enough for tive, and say, if the farmer produces one’s grave and not for cultivation. more than the average yield on his Each one in the country will have, field, he will get an additional money, because our population is very big, a he will have some subsidy. Any share just enough for his grave and farmer who produces more than the not for cultivation. I do not believe average yield in an area should be that each man should own land. Why given some sort of cash subsidy or should not each man own industry help by way oI free use of fertilisers -also, and also other things? I think or free use of the canal waters. Some the lands obtained voluntarily through such incentive must be given to the bhoodan must, if it is possible, be farmer so that he may produce more managed by State as either State farms food than at present. or co-operative farms so that no -uneconomic holdings are created. On the other hand, when we talk of There is enough pressure on land fixing a sort of floor price which could today; let us not go on adding to that be Rs. 10 to Rs. 12, the peasant laughs •pressure. at it. He asks, “What is this H o o t price, when my wheat can sell in the Then, Sir, I pray that the Govern market at Rs. 26, 27 or 28 per maund? ment might consider the question of You are giving me a floor price of giving incentives to villagers. It is Rs. 10 or 12 or 14”. He laughs at it, no use giving slogans alone. From and he is nowhere. The incentive whatever height they may come, given must be a positive incentive. villagers are not guided by slogans. In -western district of U.P. I And that the land is being fastly transferred from A t present, in Punjab, we are pro food grains to cash crops. No power curing rice at the rate of Rs. 16 per on earth can stop us from doing that, maund; in Andhra, at Rs. 15-8-0 per because sugarcane crop pays ten times maund. Is that the incentive to a more. How can we forego sugarcane peasant? Do you expect him to grow and grow wheat or any other grain more rice? When rice is ready, you on our land? We must grow the crop go out and procure it forcibly at the which will give us more returns. rate of Rs. 16 per maund, and you "Under these circumstances, it cannot expect him to grow more rice! This be said that we must grow more food very rice in Uttar Pradesh is selling because the country demands it, and at Rs. 26 per maund, in Bihar at Rs. 28 also give it cheap. per maund and in West Bengal at Rs. 28 to 30 per maund. 14 hn. Then, in my opinion, planning of There is a lot of dearness in the food has also been defective to the country. The people are in trouble. extent that once they fix the targets, But I would like to look at it from they change them again and again. another angle as well. It is perhaps Well, I do not want to embarrass the a blessing in disguise. Seen from the House with figures as the Chair has angle of the farmer, this dearness is rung the bell, but I just want to say the only incentive available to him that they have not been very accurate today to grow more wheat, because in their target. From IS per cent, they he hopes that if the dearness continues, raised the target to 25 per cent. At he will have good dividends. Perhaps Mussoorie, when all the State Agri this dearness alone is the only blessing culture Ministers had met, they had in disguise which is just giving a sort recommended that the target may be of incentive to the farmer. Instead of fixed so as to have aa additional yield depending on such sort of destructive of foodcrops to the extent of 25 per incentive, I say, let the Government cent, and that Rs. lift crores as extra Motion *e 18 SEPTEMBER 19S8 Appraisal and Prospects 7494 of the Second Five Year Plan money be given to them. This was variety of that particular variety of Rejected by the Planning Commission. seed from that area and so that there They fixed the target of 15-51 million may be no adulteration. tons additional yield which they had expected. It is on account of various There has been a great default in items which they have mentioned in the matter of the supply of fertilisers. the book, saying that major and Last year the demand for fertilisers medium irrigation works will yield was 13-4 lakh tons, the Government 2’3 million tons, minor irrigation will supplied only 10-3 lakh tons. This yield so much and fertilisers will year, the demand is 15 2 lakh tons, and yield so much, etc. But each one of I understand that they are not going them has not coml up to the expecta to supply more than 8-4 lakh tons. If tion. Take the target achievement and this is the way to deal with fertilisers, the shortfall. For two years, 42'1 lakh you cannot have any additional food, tons was the expectation. Achieve because, fertilisers are one of the im ment has been only 36'2 lakh tons. portant factors. Again, iron and steel That Is the achievement. The shortage is another important factor, as these is 5‘9 lakh tons. materials are needed by industry and also the agriculturists. I know for a Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. fact that States demanded—I had a Member’s time is up. I know there talk with a State Minister—last year, is much to be said. 3-9 lakh tons, but they were given only 92,000 tons. That was the alloca 8hrl Tyagi: I will cut short. I tion made to them. The demand this request that I may be given a few year was 1 '8 lakh tons, but only 52,000 minutes more. There is the grow more tons are being allotted. This is what food scheme. I must congratulate the is happening on the agriculture front. Grow More Food Deptt. on what they In regard to these matters, I want to have done. They have done a good invite the attention of the Planning Job because they have fulfilled 48 per Minister and 1 would request him to cent, of the target. But the Com look into these matters as well. munity Development and N.E.S. Blocks have not been able to do the full amount of the work entrusted to them Then comes the question of tractors. especially in the minor irrigation I understand that tractors are not now works. In minor irrigation works, they coming from foreign countries for want could do only 20 per cent, of the of foreign exchange. The Central targeted expectation. I would request Tractor Organisation is soon going to him to see to it that the Community be closed dowm For a long time past Development and N.E.S. Blocks fulfil they have been considering the estab the target and that this important lishment of some such factory as function is not neglected. would be able to manufacture tractors or earth-moving machinery here. There are the seed farms. I would suggest here that instead of opening Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): In so many state seed farms, it will be the ordnance factories, with the aid of better if they notify an area for one Japan. type of seed and have effective control over it. Let a big area be allotted where a particular variety would be Shri Tyagl: I understand that lately sown and developed, and no other the Defence Minister was lucky,—I variety allowed. By law all other know,—to have an arrangement with Varieties should be prohibited. They a British firm known as International itousi see to it that one particular area, Harvesters. Some agreement was per tty, 2, 3 or ♦ square miles, is sown haps arrived at but later on, the parent With one type of seed so that the firm in London refused to abide by farmers and others can freely buy a that agreement, and that agreement 1B3A L.S.D,—7. 7295 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7396 o f the Second Five Year Plan [Shri Tyagi] was, of course, cancelled. But imme revolutionary touch is given to the diately after that, some other arrange Government and the Government ment has been made with some machinery is geared up properly, so Japanese firm to construct or build that efficiency is brought into Govern' tractors and earth-moving machinery ment. I claim that If efficiency is in some ordnance factories. I do not brought into our Government machin know why some other Minister should ery, then there would not be any not have taken up this type of work, necessity for our Finance Minister to because the ordnance factory concern go either to U.K. or to the U.S.A., ed could easily be transferred to some about which our learned friend, Shri other Minister. Asoka Mehta, said that he was very proud and that we should celebrate Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. this day. Minister's time is up. Shri Asoka Mehta: I said it in regard Shrl Tynfl: I suggest that these to easing of the foreign exchange things may be looked into. crisis. 14.99 hrs. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: That crisis also can be solved. Dr. Ram Subbag Singh (Sasaram): I am not one of those who believe in celebrating the day when some loans Tyagiji referred to fertiliser and said are obtained. Loans can, at the most, today we are not meeting our be tolerated; they cannot be celebrated. demands. I can claim that if we The Planning Minister, a little while succeed only in producing enough ago, said that about 25 per cent, of fertilisers— we may not be in a posi our labour energy is lying idle. I tion to produce chemical fertilisers— think that, rather than approaching but if we succeed in popularising foreign Governments for obtaining green manure and compost making, loans, we should reach our own people then we can save Rs. 175 crores, and get their energy utilised in a because that would increase our agri better way. In that way we will be cultural produce to that extent and it serving our national cause in a befit would not be necessary that we should ting manner. go on sending every month delegations to foreign countries, from one capital It is good that today some loans to another capital nor even ministerial have been obtained and these loans, delegations. according to Shri Asoka Mehta, are to the extent of 435 million dollars. That The Planning Minister also referred can at the most come to Rs. 175 crores. to institutional arrangements which In one front only we have lost about have not been made. By that he Rs. 175 crores, and that is the front meant co-operative and other institu about which Shri Tyagi just now refer tions, panchayats or maybe the deve red in his very nice speech. lopment committee, which he had introduced during his regime in our The Planning Minister also referred community development and N.E.& to unemployment. He said if some blocks. To a larger extent they have thing is not done in a few years, then been responsible for not creating the our peace might be disturbed. He also moral climate, to which he made refer referred to revolutionary touch. I think ence. He said that we should create rather than telling Parliament about a moral climate in this country. M revolutionary touch, he should intro that a revolutionary touch may be duce that in his own sphere. He given. But I say that the practice should 4 introduce it in the Govern which he introduced in our develop* ment sphere and see that a real ment committee, in our community 7297 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7298 of the Second Five Year Plan development and N.E.S. blocks has are mainly an agricultural country end killed public life in the country and our entire economy is dependent on the moral climate which you now agriculture. If agriculture fails, no aspire to create has been reduced to plan can succeed however carefully a larger extent. If you are really it might have been framed. sincere in creating any moral climate in the country or giving any revolu For the last five years, we are having tionary touch, you should create it in plans. One plan was very successfully the Government departments in charge implemented and we are in the third of implementation of the Plan, rather year of the Second Five Year Plan. than labour in lecturing in this House What has happened to it? This plan or outside. was framed on a basis which was virtually Utopian so far as agriculture Tyagiji has referred to agriculture. I was concerned. At that time, all the wish to point out that if we pay suffi learned professors were claiming that cient attention to cattle programme due to our development works, the also, that will help us in meeting our agricultural production has increased. requirements in financing our Plan. Now they say, no; the agriculturists On that front, cattle wealth has been were not in a position to utilise those totally neglected. Today we are im facilities. But is this the reality? The porting about Rs. 8 crores or Rs. 9 truth is that they were not given an crores worth of powder and condensed opportunity to utilise that. If you milk. We have completely neglected want to serve the country—I am our cattle wealth. We talk of village directing that to the Opposition also— and cottage industries, and by that we if you are really sincere, you ought to mean only spinning and some other understand the reality. things. I have nothing to say against that and I have full sympathy for our Shri Braj Raj Singh: We have villagers who are engaged in that understood it. work. They should be given all Dr. Ram Snbhag Singh: You might encouragement and as much subsidies have understood it, but not all. as possible. In our first Five Year Plan and even But the biggest cottage industry in today, it is claimed that we have India is cattle-rearing, because the created by our river valley projects majority of our population, particular irrigation potential to the extent of ly the landless population, are engaged 8'3 million acres. That was their in cattle-rearing. There are the agri target, but actually they succeeded in culturists also. One buffalo or one creating irrigation potential to the cow can maintain a family of three or extent of 6 3 million acres. They were four persons. What has the Govern in a position to give irrigation facil ment given for encouraging that ities only in 4 million acres of land. village industry? They only talk of According to their own statement, village industry and in financing, they they could have given the facilities to give encouragement to those who are 23 lakh acres of land more and had very vocal. But they have not so far the villagers owning those 23 lakh understood the real demand of the acres of land succeeded in getting people. You ought to understand that fertilisers and water facilities, they in a revolutionary way, devote your could have raised crops which would time in a better way and not in a have been worth Rs. 175 crores. But superfluous way. I think even the that was not done, despite the tfcct speeches which are delivered in a that the National Development Council professorial way are not going to gave a contrary direction. Even in render any service to the country. We this report, it is mentioned that it ought to be more practical and And was a great tragedy that this wa% not out what our requirements are. We utilised. But what has been done? 7&99 Motion re It BBP11MBIX 2988 Appraisal and POospteU. 73OD of the Second Five Year Plan [Dr. Ram Subhag Singh] tibh of mahurte. In our Country we In 1886, they came to realise that because the prices are going up, we Use only *86 lbs. of manure jper acte bf land whereas other countries use should increase our production. In the second Five Year Plan, they had fixed much more. In Egypt they use About 88 lbs. per acre and in JftpAn 88 lbs. a target of an increase of 10 million tons of foodgrains. Later they increas and Netherlands 138 lbs. per acre. May be that we are not in a position ed it to 18*3 million tons. But the Agriculture Ministry fixed it only at to do it because of foreign exchange shortage. But if we put 1 ton of ferti 15*5 million tons. H ie point is that way they had receded the progress lizer in one field, then it will easily increase your prbduction by 2 tons of and the production has declined. I say this because you realised this fact foodgrains. So, even if we start a pro gramme of importing fertilizers, even in 1956 and today in 1958, you are not when it is at the expense of the im yet in a position to tell the House port of foodgrains, it will pay us in whether your full water potential is the long run. For instance, if we being utilised by the agriculturists or import 2 million tons of fertilizers, it not. I do not want to hide my feel will help us in increasing our produc ing that this is the greatest crime that tion of foodgrains by about had been committed against the coun 4 million tons. Today we try as a whole. You have invested require about 4 million tons the tax-payers’ money and even loan of nitrogen for our soil. We are meet money and hoards of people are going; ing only a quarter of that by all sorts the Planning Commission appointed so of manurial resources. Rather than many committees and those com importing other things, if we import mittees have also gone and reported. another 3 million tons of nitrogen or But no action is being taken. There fore, I Want that the responsibility chemical fertilizers from foreign coun should be located. Who is responsible tries, we will be saving a large amount of money on the import of for that? Which Ministry and which foodgrains. particular officer? I do not know much about the river Shri Bra] Raj Singh: The whole valley projects, but I know a little bit government. about the project which was recently undertaken in my area, the Sone Dr. Ran Subhag 8ingh: Even if the Valley project. For the last so many entire government is responsible, we years we have been demanding that should see that the mistake is rectified. you need not go on recklessly increas Because, what is the sense in going on ing the water charges and other things. discussing everything if we are not in Since 1958 we have been carrying on a position to rectify the wrong which the agitation. In 1952 they raised the we accept we have committed in broad water rates. Today they have realised daylight the position and reduced it to some extent in the case of water rates ill Then Nandaji referred to democratic the tube wells area. But that rate functioning of our country. What is was raised in the name of constructing democracy? Is this democratic effort? Sone barrage and a rail-trum-tnad If tills is democratic effort, then we bridge on Dehri-on-Sone. That barrage should correct that effort and tire will be connected with the Rihartd should correct the meaning of demo dam, and when the Rihand item cracy also. Democracy does not say is completed it will be Ih a posi that everybody should become a sharer tion to release 500 eft. of water every in committing a mistake. day. If that water goes there, the e*isting barrage would not be ih A I am glad that Shri Tyagi has drawn fcloaition to get it. Itow the Bone the attention of the Ttouse to the ques- canal is one of the biggest wmala ife 7&U Motion r « I I SKPffHMBKR 19*8 Appraisal and Prospects 73«* of the Second Five Year Plan the eastern region, and there is no Year Plan has set off, and each one o f ottftr capftj sys|em wtyph is being n*n is covered by these qflRcial docu at a t^*t is tfte c*n$. Jt ments themselves. First, a substantial has ruined to 4 sm*U extent, but doe* of deficit financing, aggravating s,^ill ft U efUTiin^ a lot for the Goyern- inflationary pressures; secondly, an nj^it. Recently' I heard that the increase in wholesale prices and the Commission is going to stop cost of liying; thirdly, a stagnant living l^ « construction ol that barrage, standard for our people and an actual t£p\igh tfcey have increased the water- set back in the standard of living of rate hundred per cent, in order to the middle classes; fourthly, a drop construct that barrage. So, I say that in savings; fifthly, a decline in agri ^he i^laxpung Commission should not cultural production; sixthly, a decline commit this additipji*l mistake of in the rate of increase in our indus stopping the construction of that trial production and, indeed, as Shri barrage On top of that, they should Asoka Mehta has shown from Beserve do something to construct the Gantak Bank figures, an actual drop in pro barrage by which 17 lakh acres of duction itself; seventhly, the imperil land can easily be irrigated. ling of our foreign credit; eighthly, the mortgaging of our future, and lastly Shri M. R. Masaal: Mr. Deputy- —I would like to say a ward or two Speaker, I rise to speak in support of about this—the additional taxation that Substitute Motion No. 2, tabled on has been inflicted in the last two or behalf of the Independent Parlia three years. mentary Group, with the support of three other members who are not members of that Group. The docu The Plan target stated that Rs. 225 ments placed before this House, both crores was the extent of additional of them, are realistic and a fair assess taxation which it would be safe to ment of the position. They are also, levy at the Centre and anything more in broad outline, a very sound than that would imperil the Hainan analysis of the situation that has been of our economy. The additional taxa created so far by the effects of the tion so far levied for the five years Second Five Year Plan, and I for one comes to Rs. 725 crores, an excess of have no difficulty in agreeing broadly Rs. 500 crores over the safe limit with the appraisal and the reappraisal prescribed by the Planning Commis that have been made. sion themselves. What is sadder is that it is now admitted in the Appraisal The hon. Minister, as has been his and in the Re-appraisal and by the wont, was honest and frank with this Minister that this money, which was House, and I would compliment him meant to be raised for the Plan, h»« for not holding back the grim realities quite frankly been misappropriated with which this country is now faced. and has been diverted to purposes for Successive speakers who have followed which it was never raised. As far as him have all Joined in striking a note one can make out, about half of this of crisis and I think Shri Asoka Mehta taxation has been eaten up by non- rendered a public service by bringing Plan and non-developmental expendi into this debate a sense of urgency ture. Of that half which has been so which, judged by the previous speech, diverted, half 9 gain has gone to we might have missed. defence and the other half to civil expenditure. Now we go to thf Now, what do these two documents people, asking them to make sacdfiow and the statement made by the hon. for the Plan, and they ultimately find Minister revealT I do not with to that what they have sacrificed for is U bow the point, because, as I said, not the Plan but the routine defence w e are all agreed on it. But I would and civil expenditure of thia cpuntry Ufa just to w teS the nine links in the for which it was njever aliegogL . ttffc gh«tn of reactions that the Second Itva this heavy burden of taxation would 7303 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1956 Appraisal iw yp f oipw ti 7304. of the Second Five Year Plan [Shri M. R. Masani] be imposed. Would it be too harsh to these set-backs have been learnt. say that this is a fraud on our people. While I agree with the appraisal, I —that money is raised for the Plan regret to find that when it comes to and then two years later we are told prospects the same sense of reality or that half ot it has gone elsewhere, realism is missing. Ideological com however legitimate the other purpose pulsions seem to drive the Planning or the requirements of the case might Commission to decide against its own be? better judgment. We saw the spec tacle of the Planning Minister admit Let me now give a gross example of ting that the money was not there, the kind of waste of these funds, the admitting that it would be wrong to funds which should legitimately be spend money that we do not possess, utilized for the purposes of this Plan. and then pointing to ideological and I understand, and I am subject to political factors and saying: “However correction—I hope the hon. Minister it must be done” . will correct me when replying if I go wrong on any detail, because we could Take two sentences from the not get accurate facts—but, as far as Reappraisal, the last document given I understand, in the recent “Atoms for to us, which show this internal con Peace” meeting at Geneva this coun flict in the mind of the Planning Com try was represented by no less than mission—how they can see straight 47 people, and they were not all but do not follow through the conse scientists. I am told that even an quence of their own vision. Take the accountant was taken along with them sentence on Small Savings: to Geneva to attend to those absent- minded scientists who would not be “In the first four months of the able to pay their hotel bills! I under current year, the net receipts have stand that the Finance Ministry objec not been encouraging, but it is ted to this extravagance, but that the hoped that the collections will Finance Ministry was over-ruled, and improve in the later months,” that this expenditure has in fact taken place. 47 passages at the rate of Why? Why should it be hoped? There Rs. 3,000 comes to Rs. 1,41,000; a daily is no indication at all that the savings allowance at the rate of £4 per day will improve. which comes to £7,000 or Rs. 93,000; making in all a total expenditure of When the budget was presented, in Rs. 2,34,000. Now, Sir, I do not deny a speech I made in March this year, that this country should participate in I took the liberty to say that after a an Atoms for Peace Conference. But few months we would find out whether I want to ask whether five or seven or your savings figures are justified or ten people would not have sufficed, not. That fear has proved unfortu and whether all forty-seven had to go nately to be true. Why should the including an Accounts Officer. Planning Commission hope against hope? Why should they hope unrea- This, Sir, is the way in which money llstieally? that is raised for the Plan through the hard sacrifice of our people, who are Again, on Agriculture, after the being over-taxed today, is being setback they have gone through, they diverted to non-developmental expen say: diture. . . . there is no inherent reason why the effort should fall The picture that the two Reports short of promise and the targets present and the Finance Minister lias of agricultural production as presented is a gloomy ana. The ques revised in 19M should not b* tion arises whether the lessons o f realised.” 7305 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospect* 7306 of the Second Five Year Plan It U true there is no inherent reason. a gap of Rs. 240 plus 150, that is, But if policies that have been found 390 crores. The original gap of Rs. 240 to be faulty, as previous speakers have crores was sought to be filled by made out, are persisted in, certainly Rs. 100 crores of additional taxation they are real difficulties, even if they —one does not know from where— , are not inherent. If false policies are Rs. 60 crores from loans and savings, persisted in, then bad results will and Rs. 80 crores from other sources. follow. And yet the Planning Com mission wishes to pursue the same May I urge the Planning Commis policies and hopes for a miracle by sion to consider whether these are which all this setback and these unful realistic expectations? Can they filled targets will suddenly be fulfilled. really hope to raise Rs. 100 crores more from additional taxation? Is it Let us see how the structure of the not a fact that the law of diminishing Plan is sought to be shaped. The returns, according to the Law Minis original target was Rs. 4,800 crores. ter, has already set in? The more you It is now admitted that we have only try to raise, the less you will in fact Rs. 4,260 crores. One would imagine raise; the yield will go on falling; it that the Planning Commission, brought will not rise. And the savings have to a sense of realism after two years already shown that the people will of unsuccessful effort at Utopianism, not go in for small savings when the would say: “All right, from now on incentives they need are not given. we will spend Rs. 4,260 crores”. The So, these assumptions that you can Finance Minister evidently went with raise further taxation, that you can some such kind of thought to the get more savings out of the people, National Development Council meet that the price level will be stabilised ing. But again, political considera and inflation halted,—all these are tions intervened, political influences assumptions which have been proved were brought to bear, and quite con by the history of the last three years trary to the figures which he put to be thoroughly unjustified. For any before the National Development body of planners to insist on going on Council, the conclusion of the N.D.C. making assumptions which have been in May was that the plan should not proved to be unjustified, shows a lack be allowed to fall short of Rs. 4,500 of the spirit of planning. It shows crores, leaving an uncovered deficit of wishful thinking, a life in a world of Rs. 240 crores. So the Finance Minis make-believe; and that is why our ter seemed to have lost out to the targets and our realities never coin National Development Council. cide. Because, the world of planning has become a world of make-believe Now what happens? Now the where we fool ourselves and we tell Planning Commission makes a further our people something which we know retreat. In discussions with the in our own hearts is no longer true. Central and State Governments the It is said that the ostrich tries to avoid Planning Commission now says, facing facts by burying its head in through the mouth of its spokesman, the sand. One cannot help feeling, that there is “to some extent unavoid having read these two Reports, that able” additional expenditure which the ostrich having seen a very cannot be avoided I do not know what unattractive picture, having seen a “ to some extent unavoidable” means. gloomy prospect, goes and buries its Where there is a will there is a way, head in the sand by making assump and things which one desires to avoid tions which it knows cannot be can be avoided, provided there is the fulfilled. will. But, again weakly, the Plan ning Commission gives ground and another Rs- 150 crores of outlay on This country was on the brink of Industry and mining is being cheer disaster. I do not use th# word fully undertaken. Therefore we have “bankruptcy” because emotionally it 7597 Jfdtiim r» 1« S&PTKM8931 199ft Appraistti ami Ptw tpect* 730$ of the Second Five Year Plan [Shri m. a is resented In certain quarters. But disappointment There are also who can deny that, if we had not now serious misgivings in this received the massive foreign assistance country” (that is, in Britain) “as to that we have, this country was on the the fundamental soundness of the brink of disaster? Good triends in intensive development of heavy the UJC., U.S.A., West Germany and industry in India, while the extent Japan have bailed us out. Let us be to which expenditure is incurred grateful to them. Let us, as Shri upon armaments has come in for Asoka Mehta has said, show our adverse comment.” appreciation and gratitude to them. But is this a position to which the With this kind of warning from our country is going to be asked to revert own people abroad, are we going to a second time? I believe in foreign repeat these mistakes? assistance. I believe m international co-operation, and I am grateful that Mr. Dulles has been criticised in his people have given this aid without international policy for brinkmanship. cavilling at our policies of which they If this is not economic brinkmanship indeed disapprove. That aid comes in which we are specialising, of going without strings in a manner which to the brink of disaster and of being cannot come from elsewhere. We saw dragged back by kindly friends, what a lew months ago what happened to else is it? We might well follow Yugoslavia, how aid which had Mr. Dulles in another way, now that actually been committed was with we are following him in brinkman drawn physically when the Soviet ship: let us follow him in agonizing Union found that the Yugoslav Gov reappraisals, in a little searching of ernment was not toeing the line a the heart, and admit before the coun hundred per cent. So, while we try that certain policies which we have appreciate it, let us also consider followed have been mistaken policies. whether we want to be beholden to I shall be asked, the Planning Minister people; and even if we want to go to will ask me: “Where do you say w e these people again, half-way through have made mistakes? What are the the Third Five Year Plan, are they correctives you wish to suggest?” And going to respond again? Must we that is where our substitute motion expect that they will sink their sav comes in. ings, because we insist on gambling The first part refers to the fact that with other people’s savings? . “after the period of stress and strain to which the national economy has Let us see what Mr. Sunder Kabadi, been subjected by the implementation a very senior Indian correspondent in of the Second Five Year Plan, the London, has to say in the Amrita primary function of further planning Bazar Pxtrika of the 16th September. should be that of consolidation and of He says: securing for the people the fruits o f existing investment and effort.” “ ...... the help already obtained should, as a matter of prudence, I admire the speech made by my be used to make provision tor the hon. friend Shri Asoka Mehta foe its modification of the plan in the sense of realism and freedom Croat event of large-scale foreign aid dogma. ]le was, however. W T being unavailable next year. In sceptical about the strew on coojolMla-* deed, it is urged by people who tkxn which he had seen in our rw a jw are in close touch with the tion. economic situation here that the wisest course ^vould be {o reckon Now, Pfcrl As<*a Ifeht* on n o aid *t all. An opppflt* Vf&ftn. I «qff»|* hypothesis; i* calculated tg >rtng Uuti, w * mUf> w fa ohii^ tlfif) W Tggg Motion re 18 SEPTm ISSR 191S Appraisal and Prospect* 73*0 of the Second Five Year Plan generation which lives in our own goods to give the people the hundred time. Qttyer countries have experi wants of daily life. Unless st^el & mented vrith c^ctatorship in the hope converted into these usable values, ^iter iia# fixirt two or three gene w^tich are human values, what is the rations, the generations \mbom will use of steel? Soviet Russia produces- thrive. We have seen those hopes steel, but it all goes for armament. Do defeated in practice and still unful- We want to follow that pattern? What tUlyed. Let us worry about our own is the use of steel, unless it is con country and our own people who are vertible into things that mean some alive today. Certainly, let us take our thing to our peasants, our workers and country forward a^png the path of our common people. development but not at the expense of the happiness and the food and the An {Ion. Member: What about contentment of the people who are America? today alive. We have no business to worry about unborn generations until Shri M. R. Masani: America does we can give a better life to the men know how to convert these into usable and women and children in the things. Therefore, it gives us aid hundreds of thousands of villages of which we need so badly. our country. Now, as I was saying consolidation Then, Sir, consolidation does not (Interruption). mean sitting back. Consolidation, as we have pointed out in our Resolution, My hon. friends do not like it means working hard in the next Plan because they stand for Soviet Russia. period. I am talking about the Third We stand for India. { Interruption). Plan because, as the hon. Planning Mr. Depnty-Speaker: Order, order. Minister himself pointed out, the ques tion now arises that there is nothing Shri V. P. Nayar (Quilon): We are very much we can do with the mis sitting. (Interruption). chief of the Second Plan but there is a great deal that we can learn about Mr. Depnty-Speaker: A t least we what to do with regard to the Third ought to be sure that no conversions Plan, about which we are told studies take place here. are going on now in the Planning Com mission; and I hope the Government Shri M. R. Masani: Luckily, we are will consider the views expressed here a free Parliament and a free country In regard to the planning of the Third and they cannot gag their opponents Plan, its Plan-frame, if I may use that which they would do if they had that word. power in their hands. So far as the Third Plan is con Have we the option to consolidate cerned, what is essential for the next or to go ahead? Have we got any five years after these investments are thing to fall back upon? There is no made is to try and convert these sterling balances cushion left. You investments into real things which have taken all the cotton out at the mean something to our people. Our cushion, the cloth now remains and people cannot eat steel. They cannot the hard seat is felt by us. There is eat even iron. We have got to con little room for manouevre. Between vert the iron and steel on which we now and 1961 we need 90(1 million have aver-invested in this Plan into dollars or the equivalent of dollars to the various things which mean some* implement the core of the Second thing to the real life of our people— Plan. Our deht repayments will be toegs for the agriculturists with food very heavy in the early 1990s. With taUawfeif; transport— motor truck*, the Second Plan we have al*e*47 bettor, roads and bridges; consumer mortgaged hall of the $hi*d PUn*. jood>» machine* to make oqm ubm t Therefore, very little remains with us 73i I .Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1968 Appraisal and ProtpectM 7313 of the Second Five Year Plan . tShri M. R. Masanl] to expand with unless we indeed go revolution can be accomplished. It on being bankrupt again. Therefore, cannot be accomplished in any other ■whether we like it or not, the most way. The first is that it gives food profitable way in which we can focus for our people without which we our energies for the period of the cannot survive. The second, as Shri Third Plan will be to consolidate the Asoka Mehta pointed out, is that it gains which we have made. provides this country with the only exportable surplus which we can ever Also, after all our hon. Finance hope to have for another fifty years Minister has said that the Plan is “no and that is of agricultural produce ossified or petrified structure.” He raw materials and semi-processed raw means that it is a live organism. I materials for industrial purposes agree. But a live organism also needs abroad. If we do not have an export its periods of arduous exercise and from the land, then we have no export periods of rest. Every human body in the country worth the name. The needs times of rest, to recuperate after third reason is that unless the peasant going through violent exertion or a has some purchasing power, unless he surgical operation. You cannot flog has got a little more money in his the horse all the time. You cannot pocket, there will be no market for make the army do forced marches all the consumer goods which our fac the time. As Napoleon said, the army tories will produce. So, for all these also marches on its stomach. You three reasons, the pride of place must have got to give our people, who have be given in the Third Plan again, as been made breathless with the advance it was in the First, to the needs of our of the Second Plan, a little time to countryside and its people over there. relax and to enjoy the fruits of what they have already invested or saved. We find that in the Second Plan If we do not do that, then there is these needs have been cruely ignored. only one alternative—the end of demo Not only that, but after the Plan was cracy and taking up of the big stick made, whenever a cut is made, it is with which to hit the people on the not made in steel. We could have head. Since we have ruled out that done with two plants instead of three, alternative, we have got to go the but we had to have all three, and democratic way of giving incentives. because we had to have all three we Whether we like it or not, whether had to sacrifice things that are nearer Shri Asoka Mehta likes it or not, this to our people. Instead of three ferti country, if it has the wisdom to remain liser plants working during this Plan, solvent, is going to have in the Third only one will be operating during the Plan to draw back from further expan Second Plan. Instead of there being sion of a major kind, to consolidate 3-6 million kilowatts of power, the cut the gains which we have already made. back will be to three million kilowatts of power, instead of twelve million Now, I come to the second part of acres being brought under irrigation, our resolution and that is that “higher only 10-4 million acres are being priority needs to be given and greater brought under irrigation, and road emphasis placed on agriculture, which development has been cut back by 25 is the foundation on which the entire per cent. structure of industrialisation has to be raised” . 1 need hardly stress this Each of these Is a sacrifice made by point. My hon. friends, Shri Tyagi our peasantry for the take of theae and Dr. Ram Subhag Singh, and others monument* of steel plants which we have already stressed these things. •re in such a hurry to impart May I There are three fundamental reasons say that I was shocked to read yester why agriculture must be the founda day in the Amrita Bazar PatrUca a tion ^ 'Tf*ft ?T¥#lqr *r$ $ «r(Y < m ^ t£ ?rt n jtt ^ # 4 m *PT tt* wh?] t flr ipsr % v**x v * r x g, « m ?wt*t ftwr 5*tt «ft*t *rfr*r v v f t $ «ftr ^ WT^rt %■ % v^hrlf vnw wnw ft wit, »«T5ft v «r ^nt, «ft sm w *rr ?rm *m rrn T»m $, ?ft WT Wf «TT «Fm «pt ?Nm: «ft f*rrt <5t^t % awrt ft ? fw f?w A frnsr It *rf^r wst'TTffT$ 1 Jttt m w*rra$f**ror ¥t *p^t f t n f «ft sftr ^ % *n w Kven at the beginning of the Plan, fcftft *rr*fi v t Jrysr *zttct T^srtft j f when the Plan Frame had bean pre *ft*fFT*«TO «At wtvr vt sented to the Panel of Economists, they pointed out that while drawing to **t% *rro froprr g the Plan the Planning Commission had ft* t o ?rq[ pwnr y^frar ignored some of the technical realities T^ft 1 1 «H5ft «fr *nft Tfrft 1 1 which were then visible, before the Plan had been adopted. They diwtjr 4 ^r(t *$vr %■ w [Kumari M. Vedakumari] told me "Even in the Nagarj unasagar "We have taken up the first condition. Project the cultivator is going to cul But when we have given the irrigation tivate only cash crops*’—as if some facilities, we have never tried to see thing great has been invented or dis simultaneously that the irrigation covered. I said “That is purely cem- potential is used to the full extent. It monsense; any farmer will go to a seems even in the British regime also, cash crop because it pays good divi when the irrigation facilities were dends to him." So, while giving incen given they were not fully utilised. So tive or encouragement to cash crops, we have to educate the cultivator. He we are in a way killing the incentive may be ignorant of utilising the for the production- of foodgrains. Here Irrigation facilities offered for cultiva we want to earn foreign exchange by tion, or due to his poverty the peasant exporting cash crops and with that may not buy the water. We have earned money of exports we want to therefore to take simultaneous steps to import foodgrains paying a lot of see that the irrigation potential is money and then say “What can we fully utilised. do?” We say the farmers in Community The import of foodgrains has become development are not doing what we an important element in our economy. expected of them. My humble sub Our Government never imagined that mission is that in this Community Pro foodgrains will become such an impor ject areas, the small peasant is polaris- tant element in our economy. So «d and the increased facilities that we there is this imbalance even in the offer will go to the rich and the poor facilities which we are giving for the community development, in the whole is becoming poorer. This Is like a classical example where the internal agricultural base. steps are paved with good intentions. Unless we build up a very good agri Coming to savings, they wanted a cultural base, there is no use of our steady increase In domestic saving. doing other things. Here we see that that is also a failure. The second condition, of increase in domestic savings, is not also fulfilled, We may not be able to control and the savings campaign is far from natural calamities. But I want to put perfection. Giving the details of the this direct question: Have the Gov experience of the First Five Year ernment done everything up to the Plan, the economists have said: maximum of their capacity? Have they brought about sensible land re “It is suggested that the impor forms? Have they taken measures for tant lessons at the First Plan are: the prevention of soil erosion and ( 1) Observed results do not show flood control? Have they encouraged correlation with planned efforts. people to use the irrigation facilities (2 ) While national income is stat that are offered? ed to have gone up. savings do not show any appreciable rise.” When we want to lessen the rate of betterment levy on agricultural tend, This was clearly pointed out by them our Government argue “How can it be at the time of formulation o f the possible? We have to get something Second Five Year Platt. But they from the farmer also." But what we never took it into consideration. They see is that there is a topsy-turvy deve wanted to raise the investment from 7 lopment and imbalance. When I went per cent to 11 per cent. Now , w e are to Ahe Vizag University they were telling the people as well as tit* Gov investigating and eonductinf • reaeawh ernment also that we are not capable on the Wagarjunasagar Project. They oi collecting all the savings Which we Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7358 of the Second Five Year Plan need. Even Md. Shenoy, a great eco Coming to the efficiency of adminis nomist— 1 find he is on the panel of tration—that is the fifth point which is economists—clearly mentioned that we mentioned in the Appraisal—as men cannot have savings or investment or tioned by several hon. speakers, who anything up to 11 per cent. The rea preceded me, nearly Rs. 287 crores are sonable percentage is only up to 8 per in arrears by way of income-tax. This cent. So, ignoring the facts and ex is the sign of the efficiency of our perience of the First Five-Year Plan administration in the country. and putting so much strain on the Indian economy what are we going to So, if we took all the points, i.e., gain? I cannot understand that agricultural production, steady in crease in domestic savings, external Then, I come to the question of ex assistance, maintenance of the price ternal assistance. In the Plan we level and the efficiency of administra wanted to have Rs. 800 crores of tion we can say with the minimum foreign exchange. It has gone up to or average knowledge that in every Rs. 1,038 crores. Now it has risen to case, in every element of these parti Rs. 1,700 crores according to the Ap cular aspects, we are failing. Unless praisal of the Plan. In one way we we take up this measure very seriously are cutting and we are having a core and pin down the difficul'ies and of the Plan and in another way the see the things which we have to face foreign exchange element is going on immediately, and analyse the situa increasing. So even if we achieve tion it is very difficult to complete the the core of the Plan, as Shri Asoka Second Five-Year Plan. Mehta has pointed out, we would be in a position to achieve only two- thirds of the Plan. While admitting Hon. Members in this House are that we could not face the calamities served with readymade plans assum or anything like that whether they are ing that whatever the Cabinet has pre internal or external, we could have sented we must accept. But I humbly taken the experience of the First Five- submit that in determining the Plan, Year Plan into consideration. If we our explanation is far from satisfac had taken the experience of the First tory. We had nothing to anticipate or Plan, we would not have faced so assess the threats of the economy as many difficulties. far as this House is concerned. So my humble submission is that they should appoint an expert committee and give Then I come to the Reserve Bank’s us every detail, project by project as report Seldom during the past two to what are the difficulties that they years the annual report of the Reserve are facing, what were the miscalcula Bank has been so pessimistic about tions, what were the past experiences the situation in the country. They and in future what are we going to pointed out that the economic situa do with certain projects. Unless we tion during the year under review, i.e. are thoroughly informed about facts 1957-58 was characterised on the one and figures—we have to tell the people hand by an extension of the serious as we have told them that we will give stresses on the economy since the certain things which are to the mini launching of the Plan and at other mum standard of living—we cannot times by affecting economy in certain approach the people and tell them as sections. So, at the same time the rate to what we can do and what we will of growth of industrial production has do in future. declined. Taking all the aspects of the economy we can point out that even the agricultural base is not being con- Shri A. C. Gnha: Mr. Deputy- . solidated. Even if we took that the Speaker, Sir, there has been an atmos industrial aspect of the Plan is very phere of pessimism in the qpuntry tmoortant. that too is passing through about the prospects of the Second • venr difficult situation. Plan. The two memoranda submitted— 198 LSD —9 Motion re 16 SdOTXUBA 190* Apprafertafttfprospaets 7960 o f the Second Fiv* Year Plan {Shri A. C. Guha] the Appraisal* and the Re-appraisaia Should be understood that unless we alao^-have not given anything but a can have our agricultural front proper •Ort of a pessimistic picture. ly developed, it will be almost impos sible to carry on other development It is not the foreign exchange or the works. In the recent Bangalore confer availability of foreign exchange or of ence of agricultural economists, 1 internal resources or the quantum of think, it was Professor Lewis, an expenditure to be incurred on which eminent economist, who stated that the success or the failure of the Plan for an undeveloped country should be decided. The Plan should attempting to develop rapidly it be considered from the point of view will be absolutely necessary to have of the objectives set forward in the surplus food production to export Plan report There were four objec otherwise the country is sure to face tives mentioned, i.e., a sizeable increase foreign exchange difficulties. I hope in national income so as to raise the the Planning Commission and the level of living, rapid industrialisation, Government will learn by the experi both basic, heavy and small-scale ence we are passing through. industries, large expansion of employ ment opportunities—I think the target It would be of no use repeating what fixed was a very moderate one, only has been said on many occasions about eight million— and reduction in ine the neglect in the agricultural field. quality in income and wealth. Minor irrigation schemes, supply of fertilisers and good seeds, compost If we consider the achievement so programme, in every item, we have far made by the Plan programmes in been lagging behind our target and our the first three items, we cannot be very progress is quite unsatisfactory. It much satisfied with the progress so far was rather a sinister and an unwise made. About the sizeable increase in economy to cut down the demand for our national income, I think the target the import of fertilisers. It should was 25% increase in the total national have been realised that the amount income and it is understood that about that might be spent on the import of 40 per cent or a little more of our fertilisers would eaable the country to national income comes from agricul spare at least four or five times the ture, but the prospect in agriculture is amount that the country may require rather gloomy. The report has men for the import of foodgrains. I think tioned that last year there was 9 8 per there should not have been any cent reduction In the production of economy or any stinginess in the foodgrains and the year before there matter of supplying, and if necessary, was a slight rise from that of 1955- 56. also importing fertilisers. In this res 60, the performance of the two years pect, the question o f having intensive is rather disappointing. Almost every campaign for comport and green speaker In this House has stressed the manure should also be explored. I importance Of agriculture. This Plan think by that way we can save a cer was framed during a period when tain amount of foreign exchange on there was a sort of complacency about the import of fertilisers. agriculture on account of the good crops during the last two yean of the Shri M. R~ Masani has mentioned First Plan period tad I think due to about the fourth steel plant. It ttury be that complacency agriculture was necessary to have a fourth steel plant, given a subsidiary importance in this but 1 think that before that we most Plan. have at least two or three man lertl- itser plant*. The programmes or tike It if quite good to develop heavy in proposals about tertUter plants mO’tfd dustries. Steel factories and all these get fleet priority before any other faft* things are quite necessary, but it dustrial project 7 ^6j Motion re 18 SEPTSMBJSR 1968 Approval and Prnn>«ctt 7362 of the Second Five Year Plan According to my estimate, the target somehow, the money h*s to be found for • 25 per cent Increase in the na to complete them. tional income will fall first on the agricultural front. On the industrial My own submission 3s that instead side also, the rate of increase in pro of trying to raise further amounts duction has gone down from about 9 through taxation, there should be per cent in two previous years to enough scope for economising ex only 3 *5 per cent. There also, we have penses. I would humbly suggest here been lagging behind our target, and that ihe expenditure on defence should we have taken some backward steps be cut down. 1 do not know for what instead of taking forward steps. So, purpose we have been spending Rs. 100 it is vary doubtful whether the 25 per crores more on the purchase of obsolete cent increase in national income could and out of date armaments. I think be achieved. from 1953 onwards till today our defence expenditure has gone up by about Rs. 100 crores. I do not know As for rapid industrialisation, besides the necessity for that. If we are pre what I have stated just now, 1 find paring for defence against any far off that some of the small-scale indus powers, then whatever amount we tries, engineering industries, are now spend w ill be of little avail. If we closing down for want of raw ma simply intend to defend ourselves from terials, and it has been stated that the our neighbours, I think whatever we production in these industries has gone have will be quite enough. I am sure down, and quite a number of persons no neighbouring country would have have become unemployed also. So, I the courage to invade India, even if we am not quite sure whether the objec did not spend anything more on de tive of rapid industrialisation also w ill fence. So. I would humbly suggest be completely fulfilled. that the defence expenditure should be cut down, and money should be found for industries and mines from that Much has been said in this discourse head, and other economies should also about some Rs. 150 crores more for be effected. industries and mines. Though we may regret this additional amount of Rs. It has been mentioned that out of 180 crores—1 think it w ill be about Rs. 500 crores more raised by way of Rs. 200 crores that industries and taxation, that is, more than what was mines would require, for, as against estimated in the original Plan esti Rs. 680 crores in the original estimate mate, only Rs. 45 crores will be the we would require now about Rs. 890 amount that will go towards the Plan crores, which means an increase of programmes. That is, only about 9 per near about Rs. 200 crores—the difficul cent of the extra tax that we have im ty is that we cannot leave these posed on the country in the name of industrial schemes half-finished. Even the Plan, would be devoted for the U there is any difficulty in raising the developmental works, and the rest 91 amounts needed, still efforts will have per cent wilt go towards ordinary day- to be made so that the industrial to-day routine works. In this connec schemes which have been started al tion, I shall have to draw your atten ready are finished at an early date tion to the rapid increase in civil ex in order that they may give dividend penditure year after year. In 1952-53, In the near future. We cannot leave it was Rs. 199 crores, while in 1958—59, the steel plants unfinished, nor can we it is Rs. 4+8 crores. It has been stated leave our target for coal production in the memorandum, that in the civil unreached. These are very important expenditure, some developmental items items. I can understand that instead are also included. I have calculated of taking up three steel plants, we from 1957-58 to 1 <*57-58 195R-59. jnd I might have taken up two steel plants, find that these would come to but ones having undertaken three, not more than additional Rs. IS crores. 7363 Motion re 18 SEPTKMBBR 1958 Appraisal and Prospect* 7364 of the Second Five Year Plan [Shri A. C. Ouha] Moreover, between 1987-58 and 1958- to be geared to the twin objectives 59, civil expenditure has gone up from of restraining inflationary forces Rs. 413 crores to Rs. 448 crores, which and maintaining a climate of con means a difference of Rs. 35 crores. So, tinued high rate of savings and in within one year, there has been a clear vestment.” . increase of Rs. 20 crores in civil ex penditure not devoted for any develop mental works. These huge increases As for inflationary forces, the memo in civil expenditure, that is, in routine randa have stated that the cost of expenditure,— office expenditure and living index has gone up by about 14 establishment charges, should be look per cent as compared with 1955-56, ed into. I ahn sure there is enough that is, the last year of the First Plan scope for curtailment of these estab period. From that point of view also, lishment charges, and considerable the Plan efforts have not been able to economies could be effected both on achieve what they were expected to the civil side and on the defence side, achieve. and I think that whatever money is needed for industries and mines can easily be found by economising under A s for savings and investments, these two heads. there again we find that investment has been going down. There is one Hie third objective was increase in peculiar feature in this, namely that employment potentialities or expan there is a glut of money in the banks. sion of the employment opportunities. Time deposits in the scheduled hanks There again, we have a very sorry and have been going up, and there is huge regrettable story to tell. It has been accumulation of money with the admitted in the two memoranda that banks, but there is not any proper far from increasing, employment investment for industrial purposes. potentialities are rather decreasing in Moreover, whenever *here has been certain fields. The number of new en any issue of shares for investment, trants during these five years for em there has been good response. That ployment will only be 10 million; the shows that money was available, but back log of the last plan period was the issues were not made for invest 8.3 million. So, there will be 15.3 ment. That means that there has not million claimants for jobs during this been any attempt for any investment. Plan period, that is, up to the end of From the investment side also, money 1960-61. Out of this, the Plan envi is lying idle in the banks. That is sages employment only for 8 million, not a proper atmosphere. Why? that is, only for about 50 per cent or That means that those who can under just a little over 50 per cent of the take industrial enterprises, entrepre number who will be seeking jobs dur neurs and sponsors are not coming ing this period. And even this 8 million target is not going to be fulfilled. I forward and somehow they have be think this reappraisal has made it per come shy of investment perhaps due fectly clear that even that 8 million is to fiscal and monetary policy of the not going to be fulfilled. Government. That is also an econo mic and social evil to which the From the point of view of these Planning Copnmission should rfve three objectives, I can say that the attention. Plan is not going to be s success that we expected It to be. On the other hand, it is stated in the Reserve Bank’s 17 hrs. report that: • “Fiscal and monetary policies As regards foreign exchange diffi would, therefore, have to continue culties, due to the benevolence of Motion re 18 SKPTEMBZR 1958 AiYtyrctiwil and Prospects rn6S of tho Second Five Year Plan some friendly countries to whom we the best thing is to increase cur ex should be grateful for the timely help ports. I am sorry the hon. Minister that they have rendered, for the pre of Commerce and Industry is not sent, our foreign exchange difficulties here. are over. But, at what cost? That, we should realise: I have got some figures and I think the hon. Minister Mr. Deputy-Speaker: He can have will correct me if I am mistaken. Up another opportunity when he is here. to some time in May, there is a list He may finish now. of Rs. 517 crores taken in loan from foreign countries to be repaid in in Shri A. C. Guha: in oiie minute I stalments up till 1907-68. But. the shall finish. There are at least half total repayment including interest will a dozen committees and boards for be Rs- 700 crores. For Rs. 517 crores the promotion of exports. I do not taken in loan, we shall have to pay know how half a dozen committees Rs. 700 croree, that means, near about can co-ordinate. I am very doubtful a 40 per cent, increase. Whatever loan whether they promote exports or they we may take, it will mean that the deter exports. I hope the hon. Minis whole cost of our Plan would go up ter in charge of Planning would look by 30 or 40 per cent. I am not sure into this and see that proper export whether it would be 40 per cent. In promotion is done. The report of any case, it would not be less than the Reserve Bank has said that ex 30 per cent. Whenever we take a port even of our traditional things loan, we should consider that the cost such as jute, cotton textiles, tea, raw that is now worked out is not actual cotton and such things has gone down, and final cost. The cost of the steel and import has been going up con plants has gone up from Rs. 343 crores siderably. This deserves some closer us was originally estimated to Rs. 495 examination. crores, about 40 per cent, increase. But, this is not the actual cost. We This is a gloomy picture, but after shall also have to pay interest which all, we are planning .in a democratic is not included in the Rs. 495 crores country which is more difficult Even as put in this appraisal memorandum. in China, in their report also, they We shall have to pay 30 to 40 per have stated: cent, interest on this. The entire cost of our projects on loan will go up on account of these loans by 30 or 40 “Errors have been made in per cent designing quite a large number ct projects...... My apprehension is that the steel plants will not be economic. At present, our Indian steel is very much Assortment of goods produced cheaper than foreign steel. With the and the scale of production have high capital cost and overhead not been according to specifica charges, I think the products of these tions and failed to meet the steel plants will not be as cheap as needs of society...... the steel we are now getting from the two steel plants and it will not Equipment of various depart be quite proper to expect that by ex ments in such enterprises is not porting this steel, we shall be able to well balanced and co-ordinated.” earn foreign exchange. I am doubt ful whether our steel that would be So, mistakes are quite natural, parti produced in these steel plants will be cularly in a democratic set-up. So, able to compete with foreign steel. I hope we shall not get disappointed or disheartened, but we must rectify Another point and I finish. To get out of ♦*»*« foreign exchange difficulty, our mistakes. 7367 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 19S8 Appraisal and Prospect* 7368 of the Second Five Year Plan Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Shri A jit transport and communications Rs. 1208 Singh Sarhadi. Is he going to speak crores; out of the total outlay of or not? I have called him several Rs. 2,528 crores, the allocation lor times. industries and mines and transport and communications is Rs. 2870 Shri A jit Singh Sarhadi (Ludhiana): crores. This indicates the emphasis Yes, Sir. that was laid on industries in the Second Plan. But during thi- very Are we sitting up to six? Plan period it began to be appreciat ed that whereas steel mills and all Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Ye3. Jf he is that may be thp core of the Plan, not prepared to speak just now, 1 agriculture is the foundation of the can call some other Member. Plan, and it is necessary that more attention should be paid to the deve 17 06 hrs. lopment of agriculture and increasing food production. This is also what Shri AJUt Singh Sarhadi: No, Sir. we find in the memorandum we have got. On page 39 they say: The hon. Planning Minister was at pains to justify the deviations from “The review of agricultural the original P.an about the allocations production during the period which had been originally made. I 1949-50 to 1958-57 placed am afraid it was not necessary. before the Council showed that Planning is something alive, planning the results had been highly un itself postulates that there could be even as between the States and change if the circumstances and the that in several cases they did not conditions change. 1 must congratu reflect adequately the large out late the Planning Commission that lays incurred during rocent years they stuck to the original target des on agricultural production pro pite the advice given from friendly grammes. An increase of agricul quarters that either the Plan should tural production by 2 to 2-5 per be cut down or extended to a longer cent, per annum, which has been period. Therefore, there cannot be so far achieved, is not suiflclent any difference of opinion about the to support a large plan of econo fact that from time to time we shall mic development.” have change in the Plan in accord ance with the conditions and the cir cumstances that may arise. Those Again later: conditions and circumstances were “The Standing Committee of there beyond the control of the Gov the National Developmeut Council ernment. There was a rise in prices, took stock of the Agricultural there was stress and strain on our situation and emphasised that the foreign exchange which necessitated country could not afford to think deviation here and there. But the in terms of importing foodgrains difference arises as to where fhe prio year after year.*’ rities are to be fixed, where emphasis is laid on certain categories. Hie view that there should be more emphasis on agriculture and increas It would be conceded that in the ed food production, began, to be ap First Plan there was more emphasis preciated soon after the start of the on the agricultural sector, and in the Second Plan period, as it was Celt Second Plan greater emphasis is laid that it is the foundation of even the on fhe industrial sector. In the industrial revolution which we con Setond Plan, industries and mines template. S ow we got to see have been allocated f77 crores, whether we have in the rephased and flu eompleaientaiy oategoty of Plan this intention ta any w*r? re ‘ n fio Matumrp 18 SEPTEMBER 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7370 of the Second K m Year Plan fleeted. I beg to say that despite the Shri Nanda: The overall allocation pious wishes, despite the good inten has been reduced but for agriculture tions, despite the objective which is proper and for minor irrigation, it being sought to be achieved, suffi was increased. cient emphasis has not been laid on agricultural production or increased Sardar AJit Singh Sarhadi: So far production of lood. as minor irrigation works are con cerned, there has been a slight in crease, but so far as actual expendi Let us see from the facts and figures ture on agriculture and increased what has been allocated to agricul food production is concerned, there ture and agricultural development. has been a slight decrease. My con According to the original Plan, the tention is that taking into considera Centre had allocated Rs. 65 crores tion the 14 per cent, increase in for agriculture and community deve general in prices, there is no subs lopment and the States nave allocat tantial increase in the allocation in ed Rs. 503 crores, that is. Rs. S68 the rephased Plan which we have got crores or l l -8 per cent, of the total before us, and the omphasis which it outlay. I concede that this figure is has been stated must be laid cn agri being maintained in the rephased Plan cultural production is not reflected also and the Minister was pleased to in the Plan that we have got be say in his speech yesterday that there fore us. would be a further increa.se— I do not exactly remember the figure he My submission is, there is another mentioned—from Rs. 170 crores to aspect of the case. We are creating Rs. 201 crores, that is, an addition of a Welfare State. What is ihe basis Rs. 31 crores or so. So far so good. of the Welfare State? I would sub But he admits too that '.here has been mit that the structure should start a general rise in prices by 14 per from below, and the unit should be cent. Taking into consideration the the village as Mahatma Gandhi said. increase in prices by 14 per cer_.t., do He knew the masses right. It should we find that this reallocation or in be the village units or the Develop crease is commensurate with the im ment Blocks. We are doing what the portance of agricultural production? West does. We have started the 1 would respectfully submit that ]n the structure from above, the steel plants rephased Plan the Planning Commis and the rest. I am not against indus sion and the Planning Minister should trial development. Industrial deve have been serious enough to have lopment in the present day world is considered the importance of agri actually necessary and it is the back culture in the developmental economy bone of the country. But to us, who of the country. So my first objection have got an agricultural economy, is that sufficient emphasis has not agricultural development is more im been laid there. portant and if we think of creating a Welfare State we have to select Now, there is another aspect to from where we have to build the this---- State. My submission is that the vil lage or the Development Block should 8hH T f i j i : Does my hon. friend be the unit on which you can build realise that the allocation for agricul the Welfare State. ture and community development has been reduced from Rs. 668 crores to Hence the approach we should Rs, 510 crores? make to the developmental economy of the country should be different Sards* AJfe Stag* B u iu M : It has from what the West has made. Our bo«n reduced- I am subject to cor- position should be that we should cflctioa. X thank my hon. friend for have the lowest unit a self-sufficient I t one. It we have to make the village 7*71 Motion re 18 SEPTEMBER 1858 Appraisal and Pro*pect» 737a of the Second Five Year Plan [Sardar A jit Singh Sarhadi] or the Development Block as a self- My second point is about the dis sufficient unit, we have got to look to parity between the investment per two things. First the agricultural capita in the different States. I have development as such and the second had occasion to visit all the heavy is the growth and increase the village industries in July and August. It and small scale industries. gave me genuine pleasure to see new India arising—Bhilai, Durgapur, Rourkela, D.V.C. and all that. It is Here again, if you look at the vil very good. When you are thinking lage industries and small scale in of these heavy industries, you have dustries, you- will And that there is got to see the entire country as a a reduction in expenditure, and that whole. If you look at the figure*, too a very substantial reduction. you will find—I have misplaced the Whereas in the original allocation it figures— that whereas the per capita was Rs. 200 crores for village in investment in heavy industries i> dustries and small scale industries, 13*66 in Punjab, it is about 08 and it has been decreased to Rs. 160 odd in Orissa, 58 in Bengal, 19 in crores, a reduction of Rs. 40 crores. Madras and so on. I would beg the Does it lit in with our view of the hon. Planning Minister 10 look at this development of agricultural economy? point. The disparity should not be so Are we paying that attention to vil high as to make it handicap in res lage and small scale industries ^hich pect of certain States. I concede is absolutely essential for making the we are one. But it is a question of village or the Development Block employment. I also concede that in unit a self-sufficient unit? the matter of heavy industries, some disparity is bound to be there be cause the heavy industries depend on My submission, therefore, is that certain raw materials whose avail with all respect and all deference to ability should be nearby and *> on. the views of the Planning Commis But this can be compensated in some sion, we are on the wrong approach. other ways. With regard to Medium We must look firstly to make the and small-scale industries Punjab has unit, whatever it is, as sclf-sufficient the biggest concentration, perhaps. in its resources as possible. That Leaving aside handlooms, Punjab nas would be building the Welfare State the biggest concentration of the small on the correct basis and that should scale and village industries. My con be our foundation. Industrial deve stituency, Ludhiana, fortunately hap lopment is good but it is very diffi pens to be the centre of the ^mall- cult to compete with the countries scale and village industries. What who are adept in that field and far do we find there? You must have ahead of us. As Shri Masani and read the report sometime back that Shri Asoka Mehta have pointed out, many of the small units in Ludhiana— you cannot export a category which 1200 units producing cycles and about is not needed in another country. If 600 units producing sewing machines you have got to export, you have got and a large number of others pro to export industrial raw materials ducing other small parts also— are and other things of the kind. Here in difficulties, because of lack of raw again, you have got to approach the materials. Most of the unit? are clos subject from this point: whether with ing and the other day I put a ques the development of the steel mills tion. We earned foreign exchange by and all that we would be gain?rs to the export of hosieries to the extent that extent. I need not go into detail of about Rs. 3-4 crores in 1951 but but «I wish to submit that sufficient the amount has come down to Rs. 00 emphasis is not laid on agricultural lakhs last year. You are losing that economy which is necessary. much foreign exchange simply b«- 7373 Motion re 18 8EPTKMBKR 1958 Appraisal and Prospects 7374 of the Second Five Year Plan cause there is no proper standardised wm =3^ art & yarn. This is with regard to the hosiery industry. The same thing applies to sewing machines and cycle ffjpfPT qft $ I A industries also. So, so iar as the dis 5 ft: ^ trt ^3 parity in the per capita investment in heavy industries is concerned, that $ *rr | 1 ^ should be compensated in a differ *ft *rt jprr^ ^rppfTW ent way. That can be done. In some states small-scale industries and ^ ^rcr (m w i %trz village industries qjiould be deve 5T%5T vf ’HWWTf^TT—(iTX- loped. VP^ft) VT*ff tPC, afrf^F *ra?£t*r Punjab also produces the maximum ^ ^ %frr ^rreft cotton and exports it outside. Ir. tpsr 5^ htw< HiVrrarT : snarer 4 faqlaH *rr fons WW5T : «PTT *TPn$hr »pft «*n*r 3ft % «r«r «rrr nft ? ipft m w to vrm j, vrffv ^ «nr fircfta trvrffa vtvrr w w w w r 3r «ft f?qf wftfrm : 5*r at ^ I f{ ?ft W R W* % TO m an*, at f*n «Rpr ft>^ ^ ^PT ^ «TTT% Kft* wr t o t | 1 VT HV»IT 1 o f the Second Fit>* Year ' Plan [«ft f%? anWnrr ] #' JJf «C W K T «FT*T ,*Tfm j *rr 5T^t, »rf «nw% % f*rvt w f¥ 9^tfhr ^ e^fhr >ift Pr fa w M r< f¥» F Shri Naada: He is describing some ^ T F T f , ^T% ^ffjff % Z t thing about a Minister. I would like to know what he is referring to. ^ irp r 1 # ?ft^r cfr s n w «ftr i>r<* I fTrSt *T ^ft Piql^i » nwrsr n fo u : sftt h m ^ 'H^i ^ 'itii jnnnc tt wwrqiT far MY fj®«r ^ ^ tt»t f?Rr shpr w wr«r^ «fk TfT €r* $FF 'FTT ? efni 'rfrH ^ f » «fr snrr fnir ftm : f^ r w i if nm § trtr sfr ^ f * 5 FfR * sfr fa fs^ H MV*t5t jr t «r? t ft? «r>R srr «tpt % ^rfefrr fw srr aw ffjpfPT %, fnpfnr urnra t 1 ?, *rfr i f% vmFt f*j# ?ft aw vtgnrr t^rrr ft, eft »T T «ra Fr^hnt: jpg ?ftfspr *mf tfrr « t r % i>*li ^ft ?rrCtsr vt *f?t t ^sr m pftn m m amj rft ^ «ft «p£t f«5 mftftm : A fir«rR ftpn 3TT 5 I C*TFT ^TT§ *5 t%t $ ftr *??rr $ «r*rr asft ?fr ?rnT ^r*r xftr anr *mr «ff h -c v k I f * W itt w^rr srmr^ ifr ^ r t t | i ^stt w rt zrhnrr *t yTHqnr «iw % ?ft*r *ft if^5Tr * t ?ra^r jftm w HtVVX* fV ^ft VtaRT t «fer ft •rnr ^ s f t f t n ix ? t *% *fV %ftx trra in?rf vrar f*wpr wif? f ^ f f ^ ,^ ? ?frtr ffNr v r arr^ ^ 1 «fT3r jsrfnqr v t f i m *t *nrr * r « m ^ t o * x i *T| t %*T*rcft ^ ff 5? f w r ^ ^ £ vftx *?t % ^ srrar ^ £ vftx ?ft ’ftiT tfter ^ h «n% £ 1 f% jt$ ?ft $ ftp- s t * p rf* »ry?r ?m ^n^nr vfirsm % Wrrfi v?pn % firirnr *rr %ftx jqjeT tft t f¥ ^ « m jfr^RTtft ^ «rf9T «w% 'cfrx v f z x w ^ r ^ t ^t t ^sft ir?t f 1 *W v^srr | ft; 5ft fn> ftnsff | 'jft *n§T w tn r t |, ^n»f|- I f% f*rra W sfoflr ?nr ^m r t%t $ tftX ^ ili i? » irfr *r$t*T *r *r*r jot fc TT^ VfPTR «FT fTfWtO ^TT I WTrT ftp ftnsrr »T wmr ? i vr trnmft- % srrr ^rr ?<», ^ t VWt arrsT *ft ijrr v^*fr ^ #' 3fr 3?t# jfrsr^ JRTf f $ fa aft f*nrt %rtr w pj?* *ftx f ^ tR TfT# VT*T tfv f»PTT ft *? •nmr -«rTf $ *mr * $r srffa ^ %$r exripftir t *fr^ *rrar ff Pp %.«hr *, irrfV^ sN 3 *ftr v-jt il^fl ?rc^ ^t +1 < w “This House having considered (3) Ways and means of attract' the Planning Commission’s Memo ing and earning more foreign randum on Appraisal and Pros exchange to India, through pects of the Second Five Year Tourism, Shipping, and ex Plan, laid on the Table of the ports, and conserving our House on the 8th May, 1958, is of own resources as regards opinion that— food by effective conserva tion, increase of fisheries and (1) After the strain which the horticulture and such like country has felt in trying to methods should be fully ex implement even the revised ploited.” aspects of the Plan, the peo ple must be enabled to feel 18*03 hrs. the effects of their efforts, particularly in the welfare The Lok Sabha then adjourned tilt services of the State, and Eleven of the Clock on Friday, the ways and means of Planning 19th September, 1958. 7395 DAILY DIGEST [Thursday, iSth September, 1958] ORAL ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS • 7101— 35 QUESTIONS—contd. S. Q. Subject C o l u m n s No. S. Q. Subject Columns 1350 State Electricity Board No. for Punjab 7101— 04 1372 Dairy Farm in Hima 1351 Palam Air Port 7104—06 chal Pradesh 7139-40 1354 Establishment of a 1373 C.D. and. N.E.S. subsidiary port at Blocks . Geonkhali 7106— 08 7140 1374 Mileage of Railway 1356 Revenue and Block Track development Officers 7108— 10 7140-41 1375 Railway Line to 1357 Training of Auxiliary Triputa Health Workers 7110— 13 7141 1376 Milk production . 1358 Robberies on Indian 7 *41-42 Railways . 7113— 17 1377 Railway over-bridge at Manmad 1359 Telco locomotives 7x18— 20 7142 1378 Railway line between 1360 Contributory Health Siliguri and Katihar . Scheme 7120— 22 7143 1379 Bridge over river 1361 Import of ricc 7123-24 Bhareli 7143-44 1362 Shortage of Nurses in 1381 Failure of rains in Delhi 7124—26 Bikaner Division of 1363 Damodar Valley Pro Rajasthan 7144 ject 7136-27 1382 Dam on river Bens . 7145 1364 B A K . loop line between Nimtita 1383 Food situation in Station and Tildanga ■ 7128— 31 Bihar 7145 1365 Decimal Coins to 1384 Vaidyas tnd Hakims Suit Public Telephone in Himachal Pradesh ■ 7145-46 Call Machines 7131 1385 Convention regarding 1367 Vishnu Pratap Sugar ship owners’ liability 7*4*5 Works, Ltd. Khadda 7132—35 1386 Recruitment to Rail S.Q. No. way protection Force 7*46-47 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO 1387 Allotment of shipping QUESTIONS 7135— 7223 space for exports 7147-48 1388 Bhangi Colony, New *352 Manufacturing of Delhi 7*4* Aircraft refueller 7*35 1389 Freighter accident . 7148-49 *353 Soil erosion in Delhi . 7*35-36 1390 Floods in Bihar 7*49 *355 Vaidyas in Himachal Pradesh 7i3< 1391 Rural credit 7*49-50 1366 Unloading of chemi cals 7137 1392 Transport Co-operative Societies 7*50 *368 Wages of Port workers 7*37 1393 Convention regarding 1369 Dredger ‘Lord Wel- stowaway* 7X50-51 iingdon’ 7*37-38 >394 Food situation in 1370 Bridge at Nautghar West Bengal • (U.P.) . 7138-39 715* 1371 Bullock carts 7139 1395 Northern Wheat Zone 7151-5 1397 [D a i l y D u w t ] 7 3 9 « WRITTEN ANSWERS TO WHITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS—c o n ic t . QUESTIONS—contd. U. S. Q. Subject Columns V. S. Q. Subject Columus Wo. No. 2264 Depanmental ottering 715* 2287 Public Call Offices 2263 Construction of river on Northern Railway . 7166-67 bridge* in Bombay 7i 5*-53 2288 Enforcement of Drugs 2266 Casual labourers re and Magic Remedies cruited on Centra] Act, 1954 7167 Railway ^ . 7*53 2289 Cinchona cultivation 7167-68 2267 Terminal Tax on Centra] Railways 7153 2290 Lady Hardinge Medi cal College, New 2268 Seed farms in Andhra 7153-54 Delhi 7168-69 2269 Contributory Health 2291 Allotment of land in Service Schcme 7154 Tripura 7169-70 2270 Through Train bet 2292 Earnings on Ramgarh ween Lumding and Cantonment Station Badarpurc 7X54— 56 and Muri Junction ■ 7170 2271 Ticketleas travel 7156-57 2293 Hydro-Electric Sche 2272 Development of mes 7169-70 tourism in Rajasthan . 7157 2294 I.C.A.R. 7170-71 2273 Yield of milk . 7158 2295 Medicinal Herbs 2274 Hilt Allowance for in Himachal Pradesh 7171 P. & T. Employees 7158 2296 Electrification in Hima 2275 Conversion of Masuli- chal Pradesh • 7172-73 patam-Bezwada Metre Gauge Line into 2297 Electric traction Sche me 7173 Broad Gauge 7159 2276 Development of agri 3*98 Watermen in Indian Railways 7173-74 culture in Rajasthan . 7159 2299 Class IV Employees at 2277 Railway Stations on Kotah and Ratlam Western Railway 7159-60 Divisions 7174 2278 Grow M o r e Food 2300 Cobalt-60 field in Campaign in Orissa 716. I.CA.R. 7*74-75 2279 Road and Inland water 2301 Power system of Transport Advisory Southern States 7175-76 Committee 7x60 2302 Conference of steamer 2280 Rules under River companies 7176-7 7 Boards Act, 1956 and Inter State Water 2303 "Grow More Vege Dispute Act, 1956 7161 tables” 7177 2281 Minor irrigation works 2304 Convention regarding in States 7161-62 carriage of Passengers 7177-78 2282 Late arrival of Trains 7J«2 *305 Training in Coopera tion 7*78 2283 Soil conservation in Punjab 716*—64 2306 Cheque system in Post Offices 7179— 80 2284 Loaa incurred from Public Call Office* . 7165 *307 Central Marketing Society, Tripura 717*—to 2285 Price of Paddy and rice in Punjab 7I«5 2308 Family Planning 7181 * 2286 Destruction o f pom 3309 Travelling Ticket to Delhi ViOagaa . 7165-66 7XBX-U 7399 [D a ilt D a a n ] 7400 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS—contd. QUESTIONS— conOd. V. S. Q. Subject Columns V. S. Q. Subject Colm o t* No. No. 2310 Classification of V.I. 2337 Railway parcels con Pa. by r.A.C. . 7183-8 gestion at Madras Central Station 7198-99 2311 Requisitioning of Foodgrains 7183 2338 Bridge on river Gan dak 7199 3312 Public Call Officcs 7183-84 3339 New Cooperative Credit Societies 7300-01 2313 International Wheat C Council 7184 2340 Railway accidents 7302 3314 “ Cheura Tree” 7184-85 2341 Central rice Commit tee . . . 7303 *315 Electrification of Nor thern Railway 7183 2342 Irrigation works in Punjab 7303 2316 Bookstalls at Stations . 7185-86 2343 D-4 threshers and 3317 Khadi . 7186-87 graders 7303-04 2318 Railway Lines in 2344 Wheat from U.S.A 7204 Punjab . . 7187 2345 Conference of General 7204 3319 Water supply and Managers drainage schemes 7187-88 2346 Class IV Railway Em 2320 Development of ployees 7205 fosAa&isin Punjab 7188 2347 Thefts of Railway 2321 Ticketless travelling Property on Raipur- . 7188 Waltair Railway Line . 7205 2322 Passenger amenities . 7189-90 2348 Traffic Offences 7305-06 Vigilence Officers 7189-91 3333 2349 Opening of a Railway 7306 2324 Ticket less hawkers 7i 9t-9 2 Station at Ramavaram 3335 House Plans for Delhi 7192-93 2350 Concessions for Sche duled Castes and Sche 2326 T.B. among Railway duled Tribes Candi Employees 7193-94 dates 7306-07 3337 Kharagpur High 2351 Power House at School 7*94 Kilokri, Delhi 7307 3338 T.B. control in Orissa 7I94-95 *352 ‘C’ Electricity Centre in India 7307-08 2329 Employees o f Medical Store Depots 2353 Medical Colleges in 7195 Punjab 7308 2330 Process for Board Making . 2354 Minor irrigation in 7i 95-9*> the C.D. Blocks 7306-09 333* Ex-North Western Railway Employees . 2355 Cooperative sugar 7196 factories in Punjab . 7209-10 3333 Marita Sheets 7196 3356 Fair price shops in Punjab 73x0 3333 Gram sahayaks 7196-97 Quarter* for Railway *357 Staff in the Ministry of *334 Food and Agriculture 7319 Workshop Employees 7197 3358 Staff in the Ministry 333S Konfcan Railway in of Irrigation and Maharashtra 7197-9* Power 7311 3336 Construction o f a *359 Staff in the Ministry bridge near Miraj of Tranaport^ tad Station , 7*98 7M, [D a il y Dic m t ] f4 ox 7402 W RITTEN ANSWERS TO Subject C o l u m n s QUESTIONS—contd. PAPERS L \ ID ON THH TABLE— cmtd. V . S. Q. Subject C o l u m n s No. Pradesh Foodgrains 2360 Kolhapur Railway (Export Control) Order, Station 721x—13 1958 • (m) G.S.R. No. 781 dated 23<5i Sugarcane 7213 the 4th September, 1958. 2362 Gosadans 7213-14 2363 Khandsari Factories . 7214-15 (»'t>) G.S.R. No. 782 dated the 4th September, 2364 Alarm chain* of local 1958. Train* in Sealdah (u) G.S.R. No. 783 dated Division #f Eastern the 4th September, Railway 7215 1958 making certain further amendment to 2365 Smuggled watches . 7215 the Rajasthan Gram 2366 Houses in Amrit Kaur (Prohibition of Export) Puri, Delhi 7215-16 Order, 1958. 2367 Production of crystal (vi) G.S.R. No. 787 dated sugar 72x6-17 the 7th September, 1958. 2368 Mathura Post Office . 7217 (2) A copy of each of the fol 2369 Aerodrome at Dchra lowing papers under sub* Dun 72x7-18 Rule (5) of Rule 3 of the Air Corporations Rules, 2370 Bridges over rivers 1954 in U.P. 7218-19 (t) Summary of Bud&et 2371 Roads in Rural and Estimates of Revenue Backward Areas 7219 and Expenditure of the Indian Air Line* Cor 2372 Telephone system in Assam 7220 poration for 1958-59- (u) Summary of Actual 2373 Ari Workshop of Capital Expenditure for Central Railway 7220 1956-57, Budget Esti 2374 Posts o f signallers on mates and Revised Esti Northern Railway . 7221 mates for 1957-58 and Budget Estimate* for 2375 Ore Traffic in Bara- 1958-59 of Indian Air jamda Scctor on Lines Corporation. S.E. Railway 7221 22 (tit) Summary of Budget 2376 Passenger amenities . 7223 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure of the PAPERS LAID ON THH 7223—25 Air-India International TABLE Corporation for 1958-59. The following papers were laid on (tv) Summary of Actuals for the Table :— 1956-57 and Budget Estimates and Revised (1) A copy of cach of the follow Estimates for 1957*58 ing Notifications under sub and Budget Estimates for section (6) of Section 3 of the 1958-59 unde: Capital, Essential Commodities Act, of the Air-India Inter national Corporation. 1955 >— (0 G.S.R. No. 751 the icth August, 1958 CONVICTION OF A MEMBER 7225 making certain amend The Speaker informed Lok ment to the Manipur Sabha that he had received Fooduaiaa (Movement) a communication from Control Order, 1956. the Additional District Magistrate (Judicial), Gonda (a) G.SJI. No. 758 dated intimating the eonvkttoa of the 29th August, 1958 Shri Aim Bcbari Vajpayee containing the Uttar under section 188, I.P.C. 7 4 ^ [Duur D a m ] 74®4 Subj*Ct COLVUH» Subject C a u n a n AGENDA FOR FRIDAY, tpTH SEPTEMBER, 1958— M O TIO N RB APPRAISAL Further discussion on the Mo AND PROSPECTS OF THE tion r« : Appraisal and Pros SECOND FIVE YEAR pect* of the Second Five PI, AN. 7 M 5-7394 Year Plan and substitute motion* thereto and further diacusskm on the motion to Further diicunion on the mo consider and passing of the tion r*: Appraisal and Proe- Cantonment* (Amendment) pecti of the Second Five Bill, 1957 (Amendment of Year nan continued. sections 13 and 60 and omis sion of section 14) by Shri The discussion « u not con Jhulan Sinha and alto consi cluded deration a> d passing of other Private Members’ Bills. v ff a t o t trtr f»w «rr 1 %■ «nrfV*F vfismwf % i w r wt ^ ’Emnr J»^f «4Nrr v irjr ait f*n t fa rH t n r ♦ irtar f *rf v«i %r*a ^ w r vet * x v k tnm t w w t *) arrt *rr, ♦ fcirp * i n w * fj8j Motion I* 18 8EPTKMBXH 1088 Appraisal and Prospects 7386 of the Second Five Year Plan ^ft v;w< f»fa % firator *f^ «n^ f, wrar fMrnnr 1 xftx til ^rnr *rft ^ r Ir wim arFRft 1 1 irfasnmrtV *t$m \o vet? ^ m ^rvk ^r ^rt»ff >Ft -^Tft t, fa^rr w it | «rf ntf ft f^FHT 1 *m 'W *Tf ftOT ^ fa f*rrft frfv vt ^ *|HT«rft, «rfrm m m jrfa v^ t ^jrftr ftJft ^ T f^ f t qi?ft t i *n*ntar frow *fr Jjir *rf*rar fffi fa art %rr invfhr «Nt ^ '* **% wirt t fqnrfr xm w it tfwn $, ^ vt «n*r fa T^r aft ?f# ft TfT | ^3% TfaT 3nt 1 flwmffcr «rcr*n w tf vftt t * % # ^T I ? # ? « w ^ft f»mnr s w *$?r ^ tt erftvr ^ft^frfa ^ i f T T r fwr t^^-afrifafaqT^T? t % ftm % fa f*n t wfr ww «pt ^^rrgH wy vtt *m * f $ fa £ w «r^=r’PT%^f^m aft ?rwf w tt fJT art*ft*Tm*tf*T%?i^T^ ^ f t *r *fTTH' V f ^3% «T^RT *n t o t fire% fa "(tt aTfa wnft f$cfhr T ^ f h r zfrmrT % *r$jsr ft qrarr t 1 «rt in f K 3ft ®PT7 SfT? *il4l