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Announcer: Welcome to the Ideas That Change the World podcast with Rabbi Manis Friedman, where we make sure your life will be changed for the better one idea at a time. Rabbi Friedman is the number one voice of clarity on moral and social issues. So what are we waiting for, let's go change the world. If you want to support Its Good to Know and the work of Rabbi Manis Friedman please visit it'sgoodtoknow.org/support to join the community. In this episode Rabbi Manis Friedman talks to Rabbi Shais Taub. Rabbi Friedman: Ideas that can change the world, well here's one to start with. What is the essence of morality? The essential statement of all morality is, I may be stronger than you, but I may not take advantage of that. I may be more informed than you, I may not take advantage of that. The basic statement of morality is that the rich may not abuse the poor, the strong may not abuse the weak and those who know may not abuse those who are ignorant. Do not place a stumbling block before the blind. So what it's saying is, in this world people are not equal. Some have all the advantages and all the benefits and some have none. Well, when you find yourself in a position of privilege, when you find yourself in a position of power, you may not use that against someone who doesn't have that power. That’s it. That's basic morality. To try to believe that all people are equal and that there is no difference between us almost sounds like a substitute for morality. It's almost like saying if I ever believed that I was stronger than you, I would beat you up. If I felt that I was more informed and I was more intelligent than you I would mislead you, I would lie to you, I would misinform you, I would play with your head. So since I don't want to do that, I have to convince myself that I don't know any more than you do. I'm not stronger than you. I'm not the fastest gun in the West because if I was, I would probably shoot you. Which means we're living in a moral society. Morality does not dictate our behavior. So what can change the world for the better is to go back to the principle of morality. The rich may not take advantage of the poor. To make everybody rich is not a moral solution even if it were realistic. How do you like that for an idea? Rabbi Shais: It's a very interesting idea because you know that you are speaking some bias. I think you're very influenced. Rabbi Manis: By privilege. Rabbi Shais: No, I wasn't thinking of that but you're speaking very Jewishly and you’re… Rabbi Manis: I’m sorry I didn't mean to do that. Rabbi Shais: Well, you’re taking for granted that your Jewish definition of morality is universal. Rabbi Manis: How about the biblical? Rabbi Shais: Yeah, well the Biblical is just euphemistic for Jewish. Rabbi Manis: Oh okay. Rabbi Shais: That’s why we don't want to say Jewish, we say biblical. Do you know that the basis for mystical anti-Semitism according to Hitler [Yiddish 4:12] was precisely your definition of morality? He writes about it in mind counts. Rabbi Manis: What did you say, the mystical definition? Rabbi Shais: Yeah, the mystical definition, right. There was the economic argument but there was also a mystical argument which is like this. First of all the Nazis weren't Christian, they were pagans. In fact, Hitler saw Christianity as a Trojan horse for Jewish ideas, it's just Judaism in disguise. And what did he believe? He believed in the power of nature. Pagans worship the power of nature. Then rabbi speaks about this by the way in the [Yiddish 4:55] in an open letter. The rabbi would write open letters periodically. One of them was always before Pesach or for the rabbi's birthday which is two days before Pesach. And there's a letter that speaks about why does the Torah say that the Exodus happened in chodesh ha-aviv, the month of the spring? And one of things the rabbi says is because the spring is the height of the pagan year. That’s when you see that nature is an unstoppable force because even though it goes dormant during the winter but everything revives in the spring, so Hashem specifically chose to devastate Egypt at a time when Paganism is most strong in the world at any rate. So if nature made me stronger than you, then it's only right, so it's a different way of defining morality. It's only moral that I use that strength. If nature gave me the ability to do something then it's only right to use that ability. That's the worship of nature. Nature gave me an ability and not only would it be cowardly to not act on it but it would be immoral from a pagan standpoint, from a nature worshipping standpoint. They say that Nietzsche would be horrified by Nazism but obviously a lot of the basis for this idea is the idea of Nietzsche about…which is also influenced by or influenced sort of the philosophy of Darwinist. Darwinism is a theory but it's also a cultural zeal. Survival of the fittest. So what's the moral implications of survival of the fittest is that it's moral to outdo the competition. At any rate what I'm saying is you're saying to me that morality is not to explain weaknesses. I'm saying that's a very Jewish definition of morality. There’s another definition of morality which is morality is precisely the exploitation of weaknesses so that strength, natural strength, can flourish. And then that worlds view might makes right is not sense cynically whatsoever. Might makes right is said like we say in Torah like we say [Yiddish 7:47]. It said no inflection with no hint of sarcasm. Might makes right. And if you don't believe, well trust your senses look in the world. If power was in doubt to a certain force or people or individual or tool then trust what you see. The world is telling you that this thing ought to prevail and whatever it can eliminate ought to be eliminated. What he said that? Rabbi Manis: Thin the heard. Rabbi Shais: Thin the heard? That’s right, that's right. It would be immoral to not allow the weak to be thinned out. You’re going to create a crisis and you're going to, you know, it's not pleasant. Nobody likes to do it. Rabbi Manis: Yeah, but somebody has got to. Rabbi Shais: Somebody's got to do it. If you don’t let the hunters shoot the dear then it causes disease. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Rabbi Manis: Yeah, well it's a strange use of the word morality. Like you are obligated to do that. Obligated. First of all, obligated by whom? And secondly… Rabbi Shais: By nature. Rabbi Manis: If survival of the fittest is a natural process just sit back and watch it happen. Rabbi Shais: No, but that's the thing that people are so perverse they can thwart nature. They could thwart nature. They could not allow nature to take its course. Rabbi Manis: So, human beings are above them. Rabbi Shais: Do you know what Judaism teaches? To thwart nature. Do not allow nature to take its course. Judaism puts into place all these rules that tell us don't let nature take its course. Rabbi Manis: Which is expressed in the statement be fruitful and multiply through the world and conquer it. Harness nature. I think I like the Jewish definition better. Rabbi Shais: I told you, you were biased. There's a famous scene in the movies in the 40s. Think of the 40s or 50s there's this African Queen. African Queen is a boat and the captain of the boat is Humphrey Bogart, and he's an alcoholic in this movie. There's this one scene where he's just finishing a bottle and he throws it out to the river, and there's this lady she's a missionary and she chastises him. This is Catherine Hartburn, she chastises him, Humphrey Bogart for drinking. And he says but it’s only natural, it's only human nature to drink. And she says Captain, human nature is what we were sent here to overcome. Rabbi Manis: She didn't chastise him for polluting the river or the ocean? Rabbi Shais: No, no. Rabbi Manis: That hadn’t come up yet. So, what is your idea to change the world? Rabbi Shais: I like your idea. Rabbi Manis: An idea that can make a big difference. Rabbi Shais: Well, I'll stick with your idea but I think that there's a prerequisite to that which is that in order to appreciate morality as you've just described it a person has to be able to think abstractly. You have to think in terms of ideas and not in terms of things. Because if you're locked into concrete thinking and you can only relate to things, then the world view that nature is to be preserved and to be worshiped really is very compelling.