SENATE OF PAKISTAN

No. CR­02 2015

REPORT OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION (I.P.C)

(June 2013 to February 2015)

Presented by

Senator Mrs. Farah Aqil Chairperson Standing Committee on Inter­Provincial Coordination

Prepared by

Farzana Khan, Secretary Committee/D.G. (Interpretation), Senate.

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“You must learn to distinguish between your love for your province and your love and duty to the State as a whole. Our duty to the State takes us a stage beyond provincialism. It demands a broader sense of vision, and (a) greater sense of patriotism. Our duty to the State often demands that we must be ready to submerge our individual or provincial interests into the common cause for common good. Our duty to the State comes first: our duty to our Province, to our district, to our town and to our village and ourselves comes next”.

Quaid­e­Azam Speech at Islamia College, Peshawar, 12 April 1948

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All correspondence to the Standing Committee may be addressed to the following:

Senator Mrs. Farah Aqil, Chairperson, Senate Standing Committee on Inter­Provincial Coordination.

Office No. 302­303, 3rd Floor, Ex­USAID Building Sector G­5, Islamabad, Cell: 0301­8593029. Phone: 051­9244851. Fax: 051­9223975. Email: [email protected]

Ms. Farzana Khan, Director General, Interpretation, Secretary, Senate Standing Committee on Inter­Provincial Coordination.

Cell: 0303­5266880 Office: 051­9213263 Email: [email protected]

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Senator Mrs. Farah Aqil

Chairperson

Standing Committee on Inter­Provincial Coordination

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Table of Contents Page

Members of the Committee‐Pictorial View 06

Composition of the Committee on the basis of Party Affiliations 07

Preface 08‐11

Executive Summary 12‐22

Profiles of the Chairperson and Members 23‐35

Minutes of the Meetings 36‐122

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Members of the Committee (Pictorial View)

Senator Senator Senator Farah Aqil Saleem. Mandviwalla Kalsoom Perveen Senator (Chairperson Committee) Saeeda Iqbal

Senator Senator Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Senator Haji Ghulam Ali Karim Ahmed Khawaja Dhamrah Aajiz Suriya Amirudin

Senator Senator Sirdar Zulfiqar Ali Khan Senator Mohammad Senator Nuzhat Sadiq Khosa Yousaf Mohammad Zafarullah Khan Dhandla

6 COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE BASIS OF PARTY AFFILIATIONS:

AWAMI NATIONAL PARTY (ANP) Senator Mrs. Farah Aqil Chairperson Committee PAKISTAN PEOPLES PARTY PARLIAMENTARIAN (PPPP) Senator Suriya Amiruddin Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz Senator Muhammad Yousaf Senator Saleem Manviwalla Senator Dr. Karim Ahmed Khawaja PAKISTAN MUSLIM LEAGUE –NAWAZ (PMLN) Senator Muhammad Zafarullah Khan Dhandla Senator Sirdar Zulfiqar Ali Khan Khosa Senator Mrs. Nuzhat Sadiq MUTTAHIDA QAUMI MOVEMENT (MQM) Senator Dr. Muhammad Farogh Naseem JAMIATUL­ULEMA­E­ISLAM­ F (JUI­F) Senator Haji Ghulam Ali. BALOCHISTAN NATIONAL PARTY AWAMI (BNP­A) Senator Mrs. Kalsoom Perveen

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PREFACE

Parliamentary Committees are extensively viewed as the indispensable and vibrant bodies of the Parliament, which work under a manifesto of executing an in‐depth examination of the matter in consideration thus enabling the Parliament in performing its core functions of legislation, oversight and representation.

In almost all legislative systems, the Parliamentary Committees are established for the full life of the Parliament and share much of the workload of the Parliaments exhibited in a famous observation made by Woodrow Wilson:“Congress in session is Congress on public exhibition while Congress in its Committee Rooms is Congress at work”.

Provincial autonomy is a byproduct of Federalism and widely considered as a ‘sine qua non’ for a federation and similarly for maturing democracies. Around twenty‐ four countries in the world, which constitute 40% of the world’s population, practice federalism1.

Federal in nature and is appreciated for regular meetings of national and provincial executives, including national President and provincial Premiers2.

The founding fathers during the struggle for an independent state all along advocated autonomy to the constituent units. The famous fourteen points of Quaid‐ e‐Azam also backed the autonomy of provinces where he states; “A uniform measure of autonomy shall be granted to all provinces”3.

The amendment remained in the limelight for not only gifting autonomy to the provinces, which is being perceived by many as a panacea for growth, development and democracy4 but also because it ‘restored Pakistan’s constitution to its original intent of a decentralized federation of provinces as envisaged in the 1956 (two provinces) and 1973 (four provinces) Constitutions’ 5.

1 www.developmentpakistan.blogspot.com 2 The evidence provided in the paragraph has been extracted “South Africa: Reluctant Federalists by Richard Simeon”. 3“The Fourteen Points” (Point No.2) by Quaid‐e‐Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah; March 28, 1929

4Federalism and Provincial Autonomy by Akhtar Ali; December 2009

5 “The 18th Constitutional Amendment: Glue or Solvent for Nation Building and Citizenship in Pakistan”. The Lahore Journal of Economics, September 2012

8 As a result of this Amendment, the provinces are granted with legislative powers in almost fifty subjects that have been devolved from Federal to Provincial governments. With this shift of the legislative and policymaking power to the provinces, come numerous challenges. The federal government has to put unwavering efforts in addressing the requirements of the devolved subjects, because it calls for a rethink of the federal government engagement models. The provinces at present do not have enough capacity to owe the devolved ministries/departments. The federal government thus needs to assume new roles of enhanced coordination, advisory services and broad oversight.

The Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was thus constituted for the first time in the 65 year history of Pakistan aiming at injecting consistent efforts in catalyzing the smooth transition of provincial autonomy, which correspondingly will facilitate the relevant Ministry and attached departments in even functioning. The Committee is also accredited for being the first and the only Parliamentary Committee on Provincial Coordination around the globe.

In this context, the major business of the Committee highlighted in the present Report focussed on the functions as envisaged in the mandate of the Ministry of IPC6. The mandate of the Ministry held the Committee responsible for:

1. Promoting harmony and trust amongst Provinces and in their relationships with the Federation of Pakistan. 2. Listening to the voices of the Provinces/federating units in all fields of common national concern and to encourage uniformity of approach to issues and cha lleng es.

The Committee through its elaborate meetings and visits to the attached departments of the Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination was able to identify the ambiguities left in the understanding of the departments functioning after the passage of 18th Amendment. The Committee also recommended to take some matters to the Council of Common Interests (C.C.I.) which is a constitutional body formed as a result of the Eighteenth Amendment. Besides this, the Committee also examined in detail, the competency of the provinces to perform the devolved functions and intimated the ministry and attached departments for devising mechanisms to enhance the capacity of the provinces.

The Eighteenth Amendment in the constitutional history of Pakistan has beyond any doubt, helped the country in entering a new era of governance. The political,

6“Each committee shall deal with the subjects assigned to the ministry to which it is concerned”. Rule No.158 (2).Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate, 2012.

9 administrative and financial devolution, which are measured as the primary outcomes of the amendment have not only grasped the long‐voiced demand of the provinces but it has also provided a contemporary model of development to the nation as a w h o le.

Unanimity of all the political parties in enacting the 18th Amendment Bill is definitely a commendable collective victory, however with such a huge vote bank also came laborious and demanding challenges, which are considered a part of the Amendment’s im plications.

The Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination by virtue of the 18th Amendment provides a platform for dialogue to its attached departments so as to enable them to resolve the policy issues especially at administrative and operational level, which have grown as an aftermath of the 18th constitutional Amendment.

Having some highly distinguished Senators at its member list, the Standing Committee since the time of its constitution is exceedingly committed in vigilant monitoring of the Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination, which aims at bringing provincial harmony.

The Committee was also at the forefront in constantly connecting to the provincial stakeholders for endorsing a uniform approach in formulation of citizen friendly policies specifically in the Education and Health sector.

The Report presented here offers a testimony to the efforts of the Committee since 2012 and is the second Report by the Senate Standing Committee on I.P.C. I hold this Report for public scrutiny with immense pleasure and with a hope that the report will be received well. The Report brings on record the performance of the Committee in two years, from June 2013 to February 2015. During this period the Committee held 12 well‐attended meetings. The steps taken by the Federal Government regarding the process of devolution were the most talked‐about agenda in the beginning of this period.and later, the committee carried out institutional reviews of the National Academy of Performing Arts, Pakistan Cricket Board and Expanded Programme on Immunization (E.P.I.). The Committee also provided technical support to the Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination and its attached departments as part of its mandate.

It is pertinent to mention here that Committee couldn’t have achieved it all without the support and timely availability of the Committee Members whose confidence and trust in me and our collective potential and acumen enabled me to successfully head the Committee as its Chairperson. All the Members remain dedicated to the cause of the committee and provided technical expertise and support wherever and when required.

I owe special recognition to invaluable services rendered by the Secretary of the Committee/D.G. (Interpretation), Ms. Farzana Khan for making the meetings a

10 success and scripting both the Reports of the Committee. I would also like to appreciate the coordination work by Director Staff to my Committee, Mr. Zahid Bashir and other Senate staff.

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Senator Mrs. Farah Aqil Chairperson Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination

11 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination (IPC) held a total number of 12 meetings during a period of 2 years i.e. from 2013 to 2015. The primary purpose of the meetings was to oversee the process of inter‐provincial cooperation, issues of devolution and policy‐making of various department/institutions under the umbrella of Ministry of IPC.

The Present Report is the second Report by the Standing Committee on IPC and during the period mentioned above, the Committee held detailed sessions with a Ministry of IPC, FBISE, IBCC, CCI, PTDC, PVMC, Pakistan Sports Board, Girl Guides and Boy Scouts Associations and the PCB.

In a meeting of the Committee held on 24th June, 2013, the Committee was given a detailed briefing on the rampant cheating and use of unfair means in various Matric examination centers at Sukkur, Hyderabad, Karachi and Peshawar and on conducting Matriculation examinations in bogus examination centers of Karachi. While emphasizing upon adoption of a uniform curriculum all over the country, Senator Kalsoom Parveen questioned the Ministry of I.P.C. as to how they are linking towards a uniform curriculum when the reality is that all provinces are following their own separate curriculum. The Secretary I.B.C.C. replied that education has been devolved as a result of 18th Amendment but since subjects having international association have been retained on Federal level in this scenario, the role of I.B.C.C. has become more challenging than ever as minimum standards need to be identified so that a uniform level can be maintained as main education departments are represented in the I.B.C.C. Next, the Chairman, I.B.C.C., Pakistan and Chairman BISE, Peshawar, Dr. Mohammad Shafi informed the Committee that the Federal curriculum of 2006 and 2007 has been recently implemented upon in 2013 and the same will be followed during next 4‐5 years. Traditional Exams system is being improved and reformed and it is hoped that 20% change will be brought till 2015 in this regard to bring it more near to the international standards, he said. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq also emphasized that concept of right man for the right job should be adopted for education and curriculum needs also. Secondly, she emphasized upon inculcation of moral values in our curriculum as there is a dearth of morality in the society. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that she has a 30 years experience in education and what is not being done is the development of intellect. It is very essential to encourage writers of children’s books/syllabi.The Chairperson of the Committee referred to the working paper for Peshawar and said that things are not as good as are being portrayed just because no T.V. footage regarding cheating in exams in Peshawar has been seen as has been witnessed in other cities like Karachi, Hyderabad and Sukkur. After that, the educational expert, Mr. Musharraf Zaidi who is heading an educational campaign, called “Alif Ailaan” presented his point of view before the Committee. He informed the Committee that the said campaign is a foreign‐funded project, under DFID which carries out different projects including

12 education. The aim behind this campaign is to instil the element of education. The Committee recommended that there should be a uniform curriculum all over the country; the subject of education, although a devolved subject should be placed including private educational institutions on the agenda of C.C.I; English books of 9th and 10th classes should be cleared of mistakes and all educational books fanning sectarianism should be banned; concept of right man for the right job should be adopted for curriculum needs of the country; sound moral values should be inculcated in students through a uniform curriculum in the country. Life histories of legends of Islam like friends of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) and views of the Prophet (P.H.U.H) and great Sufi saints should be part of syllabus; writers of children’s books/syllabi should be encouraged; practice of using guides and short‐cuts for exams must be strictly curbed; cheating must not be tolerated at any level; basic infrastructure needs and drinking water/toilets should be made available for students; there should be strict implementation on section 144 to hand over culprits involved in cheating process to the police; there should be no merging of Girl Guides and Boy Scouts. Children should also be involved in community work and be trained through NCC; Article 25‐A must be practically implemented in the whole country; voluntary teaching should be promoted; teacher training must be provided at all levels; politics through Associations/Unions should be discouraged in all government educational institutions and a National Education Policy should be formed, budget for education should be increased, funding should not remain an issue for education and sports facility should be made available to female students.

The next meeting of the Committee held on 5th November, 2013 deliberated upon Procedures, Practices and functioning of Council of Common Interest (CCI). The Chairperson stated that there is a lot of confusion regarding the subjects devolved to Provinces. She added that it is very important for the Committee’s working that the Ministry should duly inform the Committee about the status of the devolved subjects. She specifically mentioned serious issues/challenges regarding health matters in the province of K.P.K. She also mentioned the Committee’s endeavors regarding proposed visit to Swat and revival of Malam Jabba Resort there in order to promote soft image of the country and to boost tourism but she said this and other efforts of the Standing Committees get halted due to the confusion about devolved subjects. She said the Committee wants to ascertain as to what extent the subjects have been devolved, partially or completely and whether this transition from the Center to the provinces is smooth or not. Regarding the delay in the next census, the Chairperson was informed that there were certain objections by the provinces. The Committee was informed by Senior Joint Secretary of CCI that after the 18th Amendment the CCI formed rules and procedures on 18th July. Under Rule 5 meetings of CCI are convened with the approval from the Prime Minister. Senator Kalsoom Parveen again emphasized that there should be a watchdog at the Center to monitor and check the foreign funding in Pakistan. The Senior J.S. CCI replied that the CCI had given the approval for census in 2010. Housing census was conducted but the figures that came out of it were grossly mutilated which were not approved by the Council. The Prime Minister decided to discuss the matter with all Chief Ministers to form future strategy in the regard. That meeting is yet to take place, he said. The Committee recommended at a permanent Secretariat should be

13 established for the Council of Common Interest as early as possible; the Committee should be briefed regarding the status of Devolved subjects and subjects still being retained at the federal level; Islamabad and FATA should be duly represented in the CCI and that there should be no gas load shedding in Baluchistan during winters (from November till March) for domestic consumption. A request in this reg ard should be presented to the Prime Minister by the CCI. After that, on 24th December, 2013, the Committee discussed in depth, working/performance of Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation (P.T.D.C) and its motels/hotels in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK), process of devolution of Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation (P.T.D.C) vis‐e‐vis its smoothness and effectiveness and working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council, Islamabad. Next, the Committee was briefed about the working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council, P.V.M.C. The President of the Council stated that P.V.M.C was established in 1999 under an Act of the Parliament with a mandate to standardize basic and post‐graduate education in veterinary sciences and animal husbandry, to regulate veterinary practices through regulation, licensing and implementation of code of ethics and conduct among veterinary practitioners. The Committee recommended that for Islamiat and Pakistan Studies, a uniform curriculum should be implemented throughout the country and it must be approved by the Council of Common Interest; concept of right man for the right job should be adopted for curriculum needs of the country and the teachers of the relevant level should be taken in consideration for writing the textbooks; the syllabi of compulsory subjects should be reduced; there should be a check on what is being taught in private schools, madrassas and missionary institutions; English books of class 9th and 10 should be cleared of mistakes; in fake degree cases, action must be taken against those institutions and individuals who facilitate and indulge in this process; privatization plan should be approved by Cabinet first and then debated in the House. If there is any clash, only then the matter can be referred to the C.C.I.; a feasibility study of bus service between Sindh and India should be undertaken and for the purpose Foreign Office should be taken into confidence; the process of transfer of assets from PTDC to the Provinces should be expedited;the fate of the PTDC should be decided immediately and the issue of non‐payment of salaries of PTDC employees should be addressed in first instance; the property of PTDC must not be sold for fund raising; PTDC should enter into a joint venture in any of three properties of PTDC located in ICT; the sacred sites of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians for tourism purposes should be facilitated; the details of the property procured or leased by PTDC should be provided to the Committee; sports journalists must be facilitated in performing their duties; FATA must be given representation in the Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council Secretariat and that alongwith international standards, Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council should tailor the syllabus according to the local issues.

Next, the Committee in a meeting held on 31st January, 2014 took up the issues regarding working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council (P.V.M.C), Islamabad. The Committee was given a detailed presentation on working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council. The Committee was informed that the P.V.M.C was established in 1999 under an Act of the Parliament

14 with a mandate to standardize basic and post‐graduate education in veterinary sciences and animal husbandry, to regulate veterinary practices through regulation, licensing and implementation of code of ethics and conduct among veterinary practitioners. The Chairperson questioned as to why there is no check and balance being exercised over slaughter‐houses. She was informed that this is the responsibility of the District Council and Town Committee which have laid down a procedure for the said process and according to it only that meat should be purchased which is stamped. The Chairperson suggested that even Prime Minister Youth Loan Scheme maybe utilized for encouraging Livestock Farming. Senator Sardar Zulfiqar Khan Khosa endorsed her recommendation and added that it can only be done by delaying payback period for the return of the loans. As regards the visit to Lahore to i nspect the Poultry prod uction s i te, it was decided that the visit should be arranged in third week of February this year. Thereafter, the Committee in its meeting held on 24th February, 2014 focussed on follow‐up of Recommendations of last two meetings and any concrete steps taken by the Ministry so far and also report on the issue between Pakistan Sports Board and Rawalpindi and Islamabad Sports Journalists Association as committed by Secretary IPC in the second last meeting of the Committee; Government’s Sports Policy and on the working/performance of Pakistan Sports Board and steps taken by the Ministry of IPC to resolve the issue between International Olympics Association and Government‐recognized Pakistan Olympic Association (POA). The Chairperson enquired about the implementation on Recommendations of the Committee as regards to the issue between Pakistan Sports Board and Rawalpindi and Islamabad Sports Journalists Association. She stated that journalists are being denied access to the Media Cell at Pakistan Sports Board for they reported the mismanagement and misappropriations in the Sports Board. She mentioned that journalists are the stakeholders in Sports promotion and they must be given access to the Media Cell at Pakistan Sports Board and for the purpose the Committee had given its recommendation that the journalists should be given access to the Media Cell in Pakistan Sports Board but there has been no appropriate response as yet access. The D.G Sports, Dr. Akhtar Nawaz Ganjera replied that Media Centre is fundamental to promotion of the Sports and termed journalists as eyes and ears of the public. However, he added that Media Cell is under process of upgradation in order to bring it at par with international level and to provide journalists with all the latest facilities. Senator Saeeda Iqbal remarked that the Journalists must be given some space until the upgradation. The Committee recommended formation of a Sub‐Committee with Senator Saleem Mandviwalla as Convener, Senator Kalsoom Parveen and Senator Surriya Amiruddin as its Member to examine the various Sports Federations in the country to differentiate between Genuine and Fake Sports Federations in the country, the implementation status of Sports Policy of Pakistan, 2005 and reviewing performance of Pakistan Sports Board; the Compliant Sports Federations of the Sports Policy 2005 should not be placed at par with Non‐Compliants and Grant‐in‐aid should be rewarded to them immediately in order to avoid further damage to Sports in Pakistan; perpetual non‐ observance of the Sports Policy 2005 by some Sports Federations amounts to disrespect to the law of land, challenge to the writ of government and disregard to the decision of Superior Judiciary. All such Federations/its office‐bearers must be

15 punished for the offence they have committed under Rule 4(XI) of the Pakistan Sports Board Rules 1981; the Sports Federation siding with the said illegitimate/defiant person or interacting with the International bodies without the permission of IPC Ministry, disciplinary action be taken against them; till such time the NOC Pakistan is issued regular Grant‐in‐Aid the P.S.B may provide an interim financial relief immediately as already initiated/ recommended by the P.S.B to Ministry of I.P.C.; in order to give a clear and clean message to all the service organizations/departments affiliated with P.O.A., Pakistan Sports Board should circulate a letter to them with a list of all its affiliated member Sports Federations and participation in the competitions arranged by these Federations only; henceforth the P.O.A., a duly elected body of the Federations be kept on board by the I.P.C while communicating with IOC/OCA and other International Sports Bodies; the Sports Policy 2005 must be implemented; the office of RISJA at Pakistan Sports Board should be made available for sports journalists; all Sports Federations should work according to the Government’s Sport Policy, 2005 and their working should be checked and monitored as per Superior Court’s judgment in this regard and Pakistan Sports Policy, 2005 and an annual audit of funds issued to Sports Federations should be carried out and its Report should be presented by P.S.B to the Standing Committee of I.P.C. The P.S.B should increase its efficiency and monitoring in orde r to revive Spors t c ulture in the country so that sports activities can be resumed in the country’s playgrounds. Another meeting of the Committee was held on 14th April, 2014 in which agenda was laying of Report of Sub‐Committee of Senate Standing Committee regarding participation of Pakistan in International Olympics and detailed briefing on creation and composition of Inter‐Board Committee of Chairmen (IBCC), its functions, strengths of its employees and coordination with Boards of Intermediate and Secondary Education (BISE) in the country and its monitoring status. Secretary IBCC, Mr. Ramzan Achakzai delivered a presentation on composition, working and functions of IBCC. He highlighted that the IBCC was created in 1972 through a resolution of Government of Pakistan as an autonomous body of erstwhile Ministry of Education (MoE). However he remarked that currently, the IBCC is under the administrative control of Ministry of IPC. Senator Kalsoom Perveen highlighted that there are three parallel Education systems in Pakistan. She added that the first type includes institutions like Aitcheson, Burn Hall and all such elite schools, the second category includesmid‐level private schools and colleges and the third category includes Government schools and colleges. She remarked that what is being taught in Government Schools and private schools as regards the syllabus is entirely different. The Minister for I.P.C., Senator Riaz Hussain Peerzada highlighted that as per Pakistan’s Sports Policy, no President of any Association can hold office for more than two terms. He stated that General Arif Hassan violated the law and contested the elections for a third term which the Sports Board has not accepted. suggested that an assurance should be given to the IOC that the Government is not interfering with the Charter of the IOC. The Chairperson, Senator Farah Aqil inquired about any progress being made for resolving the issue related to RISJA and Pakistan Sports Board. She was informed that the issue has been resolved and the Media Cell has been opened for Sports Journalists. The Secretary I.P.C invited the Committee members to visit and inspect the facility. The Chairperson also inquired about the

16 renovation and cleaning of the Cafeteria at Sports Complex. She was informed that the Cafeteria has been renovated. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla assured to Committee to get the boundary wall of Karachi Sports Ground repaired at his own expense. Moreover, he a lso promised to assist in sponsorships from the businessmen of Karachi for promotion of Sports in Karachi. On 7th May, 2014, the Committee took up the agenda of adoption of the recommendations made by the Sub‐Committee of the Standing Committee on Inter‐ Provincial Coordination and working and performance of the Pakistan Boy Scouts Association (PBSA) and Pakistan Girl Guides Association (PGGA). Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that before proceeding further, the recommendations of the Sub‐Committee should be adopted prior to any discussion. Therefore the recommendations of the Sub‐Committee were adopted. The Secretary I.P.C remarked that Ministry of I.P.C has deliberated upon the said recommendations and as such some of the recommendations are acceptable while for others some submissions have been presented. He remarked that as per crux of the first recommendation, General (Retd.) Arif Hassan should remain as President of the POA. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali remarked that elections were held on the recommendations of the Senate Standing Committee on I.P.C and questioned as to how come these elections are not being recognized. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla questioned as to when the Secretary I.P.C is proceeding to meet the IOC to resolve the issue under consideration. He was informed that Ministry of I.P.C had invited the IOC to visit Pakistan and see the ground realities. However, he added that in the first week of June he will visit the IOC and put up the case before the IOC. He stated that a meeting of the Federations shall be called prior to his visit to the IOC. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali stated that he will move a Privilege Motion against General (Retd.) Arif. Prior to briefing on working and performance of Pakistan Boys Scouts Association, the Secretary I.P.C highlighted that when he took over the charge as Secretary I.P.C, he found that officials of the PBSA have gone to Court against Government for the reason that Government was appointing the Chief Commissioners of the PSBA against the Charter of the PBSA. He added that as per Charter of the PSBA there will be a Council which will elect the Chief Commissioner whose accreditation is being done by the President of Pakistan as the Chief Scouts of the country. He highlighted that he informed the Prime Minister that the said order has no legal and moral standing and thus three times the Summary was approved by the Prime Minister. The Chairperson remarked that Scouts are nowhere seen in Government schools in the present day life. She suggested that the Scouts should be seen to be active. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq appreciated the work of the PBSA and added that a media awareness campaign should be run to inform the people about the working of the PBSA. The Chairperson of the Committee formed a Sub‐Committee with the following T.O.R.’s: Budget‐making proposals for PBSA and PGGA. The Sub‐Committee will be convened by Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla with Senators Dr. Saeeda Iqbal, Nuzhat Sadiq and Senator Kalsoom Parveen as its Members. The National Commissioner of the PGGA stated that the PGGA was registered under Societies Act 1958 and later on it was registered under Social Welfare Voluntary Agencies. The Chairperson remarked that in schools education is being provided but characters are not being built. She termed it need of the hour and highlighted that through such a training a child is transformed into a responsible citizen. She remarked that the work of the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides must be visible. The Chief Commissioner PBSA highlighted that Payment of annual grant rent amounting to rupees 10 billion to CDA is due on part of the PBSA as the NOC was obtained from CDA on lease basis. He stated that since 2004 CDA is asking to pay the due amount. He added that in case of failure of payment, the said land shall be taken back from the PBSA. He stated that in this regard letters have been written to the President of Pakistan. He further added that requests were being made to increase the grants allocated for holding events on national and international level. The Secretary I.P.C stated that he will visit these organizations

17 within a week and added that these organizations need to be promoted. However, he added that it is more important to see the aspects of regulation of these organizations. In a meeting held on 3rd July, 2014, the Committee focussed on Policy and Procedure for Selection/Nomination of Boy Scouts to perform duties as Khuddam‐ ul‐Hujjaj during the Hajj and examining the Complaint against awarding the Quota of Islamabad Boy Scouts Association (I.B.S.A) to Punjab Scouts Association for the next Hajj and Government’s Plan and Strategy for holding next Population Census in Pakistan. The Chairperson stated that the Senate Standing Committee on I.P.C., carries a very important and broad mandate but due to discouraging and frustrating attitude of Ministry of I.P.C., the Standing Committee is always hampered in its efforts to hold important meetings and undertake crucial visits. Parliamentary recommendations are binding on the Ministries. After that, the Chairperson informed the Committee that she has received a written complaint against awarding the quota of Islamabad Boy Scouts Association for selection/nomination of Boy Scouts to perform duties as Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj to Punjab Boy Scouts Association for the next Hajj. She said that it has been reported that it is a group of Punjab Boy Scouts. The Secretary, I.P.C., stated that he will hold a meeting with Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Associations till the 10th of July. The Chairperson formed a Sub‐ Committee with Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal as the Convener and Senator Suriya Amiruddin and Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla as the Members. The TOR’s of the Sub‐Committee were to look into the administrative and financial issues of the Boy Scouts as Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj and to make budget‐making proposals for Girl Guides and Boy Scouts Associations. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that census is a very big subject and a very important one as Pakistan’s future and its present depend on its basis. She recommended that Senator Mian Raza Rabbani and Senator Aitezaz Ahsan should be requested by the Committee to bring in required legislation in this regard. Furthermore, the Committee held a meeting/visit on 25th August, 2014 at Supreme Poultry Farms, Supreme Hatcheries and National Feeds Ltd. in Sheikhupora district, where it was given a comprehensive briefing on processing of feed for poultry and raising of the poultry at National Feed Mill, Sheikhupora Road. The Committee first taken for visit/inspection of a Poultry Breeding Farm and National Feed Mills at Sheikhupora Road, Lahore. The Committee was given a detailed briefing about the process of breeding of poultry by Production Controller, Dr. Shahid Nadeem and Director, National Group of Industries, Dr. Musaddiq Asif at Poultry Breeding Farm. The Committee was next taken on a visit to Supreme Hatchery, Gujranwala Road, Sheikhupora. The Committee visited various sections there i.e. Egg Receiving Room for cooling, Fumigation Room, Egg‐Setting Room, Incubator Room, Hatcher, Packing Room, where 102 chicks are packed. The Chairperson of the Committee, Senator Farah Aqil stated that it is very important that the PVMC should clear the misconceptions/reservations in the mind of general public in the country about these genetically‐modified birds. She stated that many doctors on T.V. also express their reservations about use of such poultry. At the end of the visit, the Committee expressed a sense of satisfaction that neither any harmful ingredient nor harmones are being used in the raising of the poultry/cattle feed. The Committee recommended devolution of responsibilities to veterinary graduates as per the academic qualifications, on the principle of “right man for the right job; all

18 institutions should strictly follow the existing rules. The Committee advised PVMC to take up the said case at highest appropriate level to stop this irregularity and put up to the Senate Standing Committee the details of non‐accredited institutions running DVM programme and those institutions that have not got their faculty and students registered; the Council must prepare a uniform syllabus for adoption by all institutions across the country and allocation of Rs. 200 million to the PVMC as one time measure enabling them to complete the project in one go. The Committee felt that once the said project is completed it will absolve the government from the financial responsibility of the Council and the Council will become a self‐sustaining organization. The Committee was given a comprehensive briefing on 24th October, 2014 on all Post‐Devolution issues, administrative, financial (assets and liabilities) and legal related to subject of Health to the provinces including bottlenecks in this regard. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the working paper pertaining to Lady Health Workers Programme is a very important programme as it is also dealing with Polio. The Senator further stated that after 18th Amendment, questions are being raised again and again on Post‐Devolution issues pertaining to subjects of Education and Health as they are the foundation of any nation. The main purpose for calling the present meeting was to assess the situation after Devolution and compare it with pre‐Devolution scenario. She expressed her deep concern about the situation regarding measles and rising trend of TB and the serious condition of Polio, affecting the image of the country world‐wide. She added that PMDC is not functioning and the related departments are not working plus DRA is not showing any output. She recommended that Chairperson of the Committee should call a series of meetings in Islamabad as well as in the provinces to look into the bottlenecks regarding post‐ Devolution issues in Health and Education. The Chairperson of the Committee spoke on the plight of Lady Health Workers in the country who are expected to look after Polio cases and many diseases in a meager salary of just Rs. 6000 plus they are also being terminated. Talking about Punjab, she informed the Committee that the Punjab Chief Minister has issued orders to provide appointment letters to the LHW’s at their homes. The Chairperson was informed by Director General Health Punjab that the pay of LHW’s has been doubled and now it is Rs. 13000 per month. Senator Kalsoom Perveen and Chairperson highly appreciated the good steps taken by the Punjab Government. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query that some of the Lady Health Workers were terminated 3‐4 years ago and because now the LHW’s have become permanent and regular so these terminated LHW’s have applied for reviving their jobs but the cases of 5 or 6 LHW are time barred. The total number of LHW’s in Punjab is 47,000. The Chairperson and Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal recommended that their cases should be considered sympathetically. Provincial representative of Health Department from KPK informed the Committee that their PC‐I was till 30‐06‐2014 but it got exhausted on 30‐06‐2012 and now the Health Department has owned HIV Aids on regular side. Now through the intentional donors the programme is being run and patients are being screened as earlier. There is also a focal person in the Health Department on regular side and now they are in the process of approving that PC‐I. The Chairperson of the Committee stated that the Committee members are particularly concerned about health problems in the provinces specially the smaller provinces. She said that even the LHW’s in the

19 Punjab are often seen staging protest demonstrations for their financial dues and appointment letters. The Committee was further informed by Health Coordinator LHW programme KPK that in a meeting of CCI dated 23rd January, 2013 it was decided that Federal government will keep on financing LHW programme till June, 2017 while earlier there was an idea to extend it uptil 2021. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee will ensure that this funding is extended till 2021. The Chairperson of the Committee while highlighting the issue of terrorism in KPK stated that there is an alarming increase in causalties due to the present situation. Senator Kalsoom Parveen and the Chairperson took a strong exception at the lack of stretchers in the hospitals. Senator Suriya Amirrudin added that even Oxygen is not available for serious patients in hospital and 2‐3 injured patients are put on a single bed. Senator Kulsoom Parveen stated that in order to meet any eventually there should be provision of an Emergency Cell in each hospital which should work around the clock. She stated that until and unless the Standing Committee visits these problem – ridden provinces, it cannot ascertain the ground situation there. Last of all, the J.S. Cabinet described the affairs of T.B. Hospital, Asghar Mall Rawalpindi. The Committee was informed that the Hospital is not getting any global funding. There the patient turnover is 450. There are no particular problems regarding this Hospital. Senator Saeeda Iqbal directed the J.S. Cabinet that he should send his demands in writing to Senate Standing Committee on Cabinet Division with a copy to the Chairperson, S.S.C. on IPC.

In its meeting dated 20th November, 2014, the Committee was given a detailed briefing on the Post‐Devolution Scope/Mandate/Subjects under Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination and Scope of Senate and National Assembly’s Standing Committees in this regard; students protest against strict marking by the Islamabad and Lahore Boards and steps taken by the Boards to address the grievances of the students; concrete measures taken by the IBCC for timely finalization of school curriculum; actions taken by the Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination alongwith IBCC for uniform curriculum in all Four Provinces and update on any particular legislation for the purpose and briefing on the recommendations of the Examination Reforms Committee as constituted by the Ministry of IPC for the betterment of the examination system. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that it is very important that the Minister of IPC attends all meetings so that result‐orientated meetings can take place. She also expressed her strong reservations at the absence of provincial Health Department from Baluchistan as the Committee is dealing with post‐Devolution issues belonging to all provinces of the country. The main purpose for calling the present meeting was to assess the situation after Devolution and compare it with pre‐Devolution scenario. She expressed her deep concern about the situation regarding measles and rising trend of TB and the serious condition of Polio, affecting the image of the country world‐wide. She added that PMDC is not functioning and the related departments are not working plus DRA is not showing any output. She recommended that Chairperson of the Committee should call a series of meetings in Islamabad as well as in the provinces to look into the bottlenecks regarding post‐Devolution issues in Health and Education. The Chairperson of the Committee spoke on the plight of Lady Health Workers in the country who are expected to look after Polio cases and many diseases in a meager

20 salary of just Rs. 6000 plus they are also being terminated. The Chairperson took up the issue of termination of LHW’s as per the working paper. Provincial representative of Health Department from KPK informed the Committee that their PC‐I was till 30‐06‐2014 but it got exhausted on 30‐06‐2012 and now the Health Department has owned HIV Aids on regular side. Senator Kalsoom Parveen questioned that are Lady Health Workers deployed in IDPs Camps in order to look after the sick people in these IDPs Camps who are suffering from many diseases like Polio and Diarrhea. She was informed that the number of IDPs in the said province is one million. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal was informed on a query about arrangements made for delivery of children in IDPs Camp at Bannu that the Women and Children Hospital at Bannu is purely for this purpose and males do not go to that hospital and round the clock medical facilities including free medicines are being provided there. The Chairperson of the Committee said that even the LHW’s in the Punjab are often seen staging protest demonstrations for their financial dues and appointment letters. The Committee was further informed by Health Coordinator LHW programme KPK that in a meeting of CCI dated 23rd January, 2013 it was decided that Federal government will keep on financing LHW programme till June, 2017 while earlier there was an idea to extend it uptil 2021. The Chairperson of the Committee while highlighting the issue of terrorism in KPK stated that there is an alarming increase in causalties due to the present situation. She questioned as to whether any step has been taken by the government to build upon the capacity of Lady Reading Hospital and Sherpao Hospital. The Health Coordinator KPK replied that the main load of causalties is on 4 Hospitals in KPK, Hayatabad Medical Complex, Khyber Teaching Hospital, Lady Reading Hospital and Ayub Teaching Hospital, but all these hospitals are autonomous institutions with their own Management Councils which take all decisions. She said that the Committee should also look into as to how come the Sheikh Zaid Hospital at Quetta is being run like a dispensary and that who has looted the money of the Hospital. After that, J.S. Cabinet informed the Committee that he has 4 health facilities in the Cabinet Division, a medical college, an F.G. Hospital (both in Check Shahzad, Islamabad), a T.B. Hospital and a 400 Bed Hospital being setup for women at Rawalpindi. He informed the Committee. Senator Saeeda Iqbal and Chairperson of the Committee directed the J.S Cabinet to send his demands for the said College/Federal Hospital to the Co mmittee. Senator Kalsoom Parveen also recommended that there are employees on contract in F.G. Hospital Chak Shezad but they should be regularized. The Committee in its last meeting held on 10th February, 2015 at Qaddafi Stadium, Lahore focussed on steps taken by the PCB for uplift of cricket at grass root and school levels; detailed briefing on role of National Cricket Academy (NCA) for the grooming of the young aspiring players; measures taken by PCB for restoration of International Cricket in Pakistan; criteria for appointment of Directors in PCB; any specific training for the World Cup 2015; media news regarding spending of heavy amount on establishment of Biometric Machines Lab in NCA which is non‐ functional; undertook a visit to the National Cricket Academy (NCA) and its Biometrics Lab and media reports regarding suspension of 30 players due to illegal bowling actions including any corrective measures/rehabilitation work for bowlers like Saeed Ajmal and Mohammad Hafeez being the premium spin bowlers. The Chairperson stated that she was very much impressed with the first look of the

21 National Cricket Academy but there were many questions in her mind about cricket affairs of Pakistan in and abroad the country. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal directed the P.C.B. to approach Federel Directorate of Schools and make Islamabad, a model cricket playing city as there is no paucity of funds in the Federal Capital. The Chairman P.C.B. highly endorsed her recommendation. The Chairperson of the Committee stated that the Committee wants the game to be run with a better understanding particularly at the regional level. P.C.B. Chairman informed the Committee that currently, the P.C.B. was focussing on ensuring that minor teams come to Pakistan to play cricket. Mr. Haroon Rasheed apprised the Committee about P.C.B.’s recent endeavours to set up National Cricket Academies at Karachi and Multan also on the pattern of N.C.A. at Lahore. The P.C.B. Chairman replied that the Central Contract is awarded to the cricketers for one year by the Selection Committee of the P.C.B. on the basis of performance and fitness of the players and they are placed in ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’ categories as per their potential/expertise. The ex‐ Cricket legend, Mr. Intikhab Alam who is a member of Cricket Committee as well as Grass Root Committee in the P.C.B., explained the difference between legal and illegal bowling actions of the said cricketers through their videos to the Committee. Regarding Saeed Ajmal, he informed the Committee that due to vigorous training, Saeed Ajmal’s total action has been changed which has reduced his speed due to which the player himself has requested the P.C.B. not to include him so soon for the upcoming World Cup.The Committee was informed that after Saeed Ajmal, bowling action of Mohammad Hafeez will also get cleared soon. Regarding opening of doors and revival of international cricket in Pakistan the P.C.B. Chairman stated that it cannot happen overnight – England and Australia he said will not come till 2 years. Two minor teams from Afghanistan and Kenya have come to Pakistan recently. Now, the P.C.B. is inviting teams from Ireland, the Netherlands, Holland and Scotland. Nepal and Namibia are also willing to send their minor teams to Pakistan. Major teams of countries like Zimbabwe, SriLanka and Bangladesh have asked P.C.B. to first prove/clear security situation in Pakistan. In this regard, he said certain fool‐ proof security arrangements have been made for the visiting minor teams. The Committee was informed by the Chairman P.C.B. that work on Biometrics Lab was stopped in 2008 but its building is under construction now. He said that the said building will be completed till June this year. Regarding forthcoming Pak‐India Cricket series, the Chairperson was informed on a query by Chairman P.C.B that an MOU has been signed between Cricket Boards of the two countries and it is hoped that Indian Cricket Board will be granted permission for the same by the new Indian government.

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PROFILES OF CHAIRPERSON &

THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE

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The Members’ list of the Senate Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination embodies participation from all four provinces of the country. The representation from all the provinces helps the Committee in receiving provincial perspectives after the Devolution, thus preserving its mandate.

Senator Farah Aqil (Chairperson Committee)

Senator Mrs. Farah Aqil holds a Masters degree in Psychology. She has served at many prominent positions during her career. She remained MPA (ANP) 2002‐2007 from KPK Assembly; Member of APWA Peshawar 2006‐2008; Member of Legislative Watch Group (Aurat Foundation) 2005‐2008; Member of Hamdard Association, Peshawar and Group Warden (Ladies Wing) Civil Defence (Peshawar). According to her the Civil Defence Training, as a compulsory component of the curriculum at school and Secondary level, should be continued for future as well, keeping in view its significance. Our country is passing through the most adverse circumstances in which the said training must be commenced again.

Senator Mrs. Farah Aqil has always put in an effort to solve the problems being faced by women preferably; she held visits of women prisons in Peshawar subsequently and ensured the supply of necessities to the women prisoners. She looked into the matters of “DarulItfal” situated at G.T Road, Peshawar. Her humble contributions in this regard still continue.

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Name Suriya Amiruddin Province Balochistan Party Pakistan People's Party Parliamentarian (PPP­P) Seat Description Women Designation Senator Home Number 081­2441882 Mobile Number 0300­3887714 Fax Number 081­2441882 Email [email protected] Gender Female Local Address H­12, Parliament Lodges, Islamabad. Permanent Address H.No.215­J, Block No.4, Satellite Town, Quetta. POLITICAL CAREER Political Career Senator, Pakistan Peoples Party. Provincial Information Secretary Pakistan Peoples Party in Balochistan. Member Human Rights Commission of Pakistan H.R.C.P since 08­12­1991. COMMITTEE (S) Committee (s) National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination Housing and Works Inter­Provincial Coordination Functional Committee on Human Rights

ACADEMIC CAREER Qualification M.A Political Science from University of Balochistan, Quetta, Pakistan. M.Ed.from University of Balochistan, Quetta, Pakistan. B.Ed.from University of Balochistan, Quetta, Pakistan. LL.B. University Law College Quetta. B.A Karachi University Certificate from National Defense University (for National Security) ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

25 Visited Countries U.K. USA India UAE Saudi Arabia China Dubai Kingdom of Thailand Other Information

WORK EXPERIENCE: *Educationist since 1972 *Principal Zeb Public Model School since 1992 DESIGNATION: *Senator, Pakistan Peoples Party *Provincial Information Secretary *Pakistan Peoples Party in Balochistan. *Member Human Rights Commission of Pakistan H.R.C.P since 08­12­1991. *Councilor for six years and elected Vice Chairman for three years Balochistan *Chapter since 2006 to 2009. (Life time member) *Master Trainer of National Democratic Institute of Pakistan (NDI). *Chairperson Rotary club of cosmopolitan Quetta. *Chairperson National Trust for Population Islamabad. *Member Senate Standing Committee on Social Welfare and Special Education Islamabad. *Member Senate Standing Committee on Women Development. *Member Senate Standing Committee on Human Rights. *Member Senate Standing Committee on Government Assurance. *Member Aurat Foundation of Quetta. *Member Senate Standing Committee on Education. *Ex­Chairperson Inner Wheel District 327, Pakistan. *Counselor India Pakistan Peoples Forum for Democracy. *Information Secretary Helpers Association of Pakistan . *National Representative Inner Wheel district 327, Pakistan *Treasure Senior citizen Association Balochistan. VOLUNTEER WORK: *Provincial Information Secretary Pakistan Peoples Party Women Wing Balochistan. *Vice­Chairperson Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, Balochistan Chapter (HRCP). *Master Trainer of the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs(NDI) *Councilor South Asian Human Rights Pakistan, Quetta Chapter *President Rotary Club Cosmopolitan, Quetta. *Councilor India Pakistan Peoples Forum for Peace and Democracy Pakistan. *Treasure all Balochistan Women Political Forums, Balochistan from 1992 on wards.

26 *Ex Chairperson Inner Wheel District 327 Pakistan. *Ex. Director Private Educational Institute Alliance Quetta. *Ex. Vice President All Balochistan Private School Association of Quetta. *Information Secretary Helpers Association of Pakistan, Quetta. *Chairperson Zeb Public Welfare Society Quetta. *Information Secretary Pakistan Peoples Party Women Wing since 1985 onwards.

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Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla

Mr. Saleem H. Manviwalla joined Senate in 2012. He graduated from Fort Worth School of Aviation‐Ft. Worth Texas USA in 1981. He was elected against a General Seat from Sindh province on the ticket of PPPP. He also served the Government in the capacity of Minister of State for Finance Division, and as Federal Minister for Finance. Earlier he was appointed as Chairman, Board of Investment in 2008.It was due to his endless effort that Special Economic Zone (SEZ) Act got approved from the Parliament to meet the challenges of global competitiveness and to attract investment.

He is an active Member of the Committee on National Food Security & Research, Committee on States & Frontier Regions and Committee on Religious Affairs. His acquaintance with the fiscal matters help the Committee in looking at the financial implications of the 18th Amendment and its impact on the attached departments of the Committee.

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Senator KalsoomPerveen

Senator Kalsoom Perveen represents the Balochistan Province and is a Member of the Balochistan National Party Awami (BNP‐A). She holds an M.Phil degree in History and has an extended experience of supervising ‘Educational & Technical’ schools established in the rural areas of Balochistan. These institutions provide basic education & technical skills to the 5000 poor students. She also looks at the administration of a school in Quetta, which solely serves the children of beggars. The school provides skill development training to the same.

She is an active member of five Committees of the Senate including the Functional Committee on Government Assurances, House Committee, and Library Committee. She is also very successfully chairing the Committee on Cabinet Secretariat and Capital Administration and Development.

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Senator Saeeda Iqbal

Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal is representing PPPP and is from the Federal Capital. She holds a degree in Philosophy. She remained associated with the Ministry of Education from 1973 to 2002 on an honorary basis. She is a qualified Civil Service Servant; however, her interest in the field of education kept her associated with different educational institutes. She had a 29 year long experience of teaching. She is also the General Secretary of Women Wing from her Party since 2002.

She is rendering her services as a Committee Member to the Committee on Information and Broadcasting, Committee on Cabinet Secretariat and Capital Administration and development. She also heads the Committee on Climate Change.

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Dr. Muhammad Farogh Naseem

Barrister Dr. Muhammad Farogh Naseem was picked on a Technocrat seat from the Province of Sindh. He holds LL.B. (Hons.) from the University of Wales and LL.M. from the London School of Economics and PhD in Comparative Constitutional Law from the University of London. He is one of the leading constitutional lawyers in the country and is the youngest lawyer to hold the office of Advocate General of Sindh. Besides practicing, Dr. Naseem also taught law at Sindh Judicial Academy, Sindh Muslim Law College and Hamdard Law College. He frequently contributes to various law journals and has also scripted two books.

He is an active Member of the Functional Committee on Government Assurances, Committee on Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs and Committee on Human Rights.

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Senator Haji Ghulam Ali:

Senator Haji Ghulam Ali is a graduate of Arts and represents the province of Khyber Pakhtoonkhawa as a Member of Jamiatul‐Ulema‐ e‐Islam (F). He was elected as a Member of Senate for a six year term in 2009. Since then, he is an active Member of Committee on Human Rights and Committee on Industries and Production. He is also serving as Chairman to the Commerce committee of the Senate because of his elaborate experience in business and trade.

He is a Director of Board of National Productivity Organization (NPO), Government of Pakistan, and Khyber Eye Foundation Gulbahar, Peshawar. He is also President of the Net Ball Association of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Body‐Building Association of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Besides being the Founder President of Tribal Chamber of Commerce and Industry, he was elected as the Mayor of Peshawar (District Nazim) in 2005 and held office until 2009. He served as Municipal Councilor from 1983 to 1990.

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Senator Muhammad Yousaf

Senator Yousaf was elected as a Senator in 2012. He belongs to Balochistan and is a member of PPPP. He chairs the Standing Committee on Petroleum and Natural Resources and is also a Member to the Committee on National Harmony and Interior and Narcotics Control.

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Sirdar Zulfiqar Ali Khan Khosa

A PML‐N Senator, Sirdar Zulfiqar belongs to a Baloch tribe called ‘Khosa’. He was first elected to the West Pakistan Assembly in 1962.He was the Governor of the Punjab from 17 the August 1999 to 21st October 1999. He has earlier served as Finance Minister, Education Minister and also as the senior advisor to the Chief Minister of Punjab.

He is a Member of the Functional Committee on Government Assurances, Functional Committee on problems of Less Developed Areas and Committee on Petroleum and Natural Resources.

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Senator Muhammad Zafarullah Khan Dhandla

Senator Zafarullah Dhandla was elected in 2012 and belongs to PML‐N. His vast experience has always enabled the Committee in reaching depth of the matters which the Committee is dealing with. Besides this, he is an active Member of the Committee on Railways, National Food Security and Research and Committee on Housing and Works.

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Senator Karim Ahmed Khawaja

Senator Dr. Karim Khawaja represents the province of Sindh and is a member of PPPP. He was elected as a Senator in 2008 and is currently serving four Committees of the Senate. The Committees include Commerce Committee, Science and Technology Committee and Committee on National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination.

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Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz

Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed is from PPPP and represents the province of Sindh. He was elected as a Senator in 2008 and is currently serving five Committees of the Senate. He is a Member of Committee on Railways, Interior and Narcotics Control Committee, Committee on Railways and Senate House Committee.

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Senator Nuzhat Sadiq

Senator Nuzhat Sadiq represents the province of Punjab and is a member of PML‐N. She earlier served as a Member, National Assembly in 2008. Her endless efforts pushed her Party to nominate her as a Senator in 2012. She is also working as a Member to the Committee on Ports and Shipping, Committee on National Food Security and Research and Functional Committee on Problems of Less Developed Areas.

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MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS

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SENATE SECRETARIAT

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 24th JUNE, 2013 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 24th June, 2013 at 11 a.m. in Committee Room No.1, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The agenda before the meeting was as under:‐

i. Detailed briefing/discussion on the rampant cheating and use of unfair means in various Matric examination centers at Sukkur, Hyderabad, Karachi and Peshawar.

ii. Detailed briefing/discussion on conducting Matriculation examinations in bogus examination centers of Karachi and action taken so far for fixing of responsibilities against wrongdoers.

iii. Any other item with permission of the Chair.

3. The following Members attended the meeting:‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member iii. Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz Member iv. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmed Khawaja Member v. Senator Kalsoom Parveen Member vi. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq Member vii. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali Member

4. The meeting started with recitation from the Holy Quran by Senator Haji Ghulam Ali after which the Chairperson of the Committee, Senator Farah Aqil warmly welcomed the Members of the Committee as well as the officers from the Ministry of I.P.C. and related departments.

5. At the outset of the meeting, the Chairperson of the Committee, Senator Farah Aqil expressed her strong reservations at absence of any

40 representative officer of IBCC (Inter‐Board Committee of Chairman) from Baluchistan in the meeting. The Secretary, I.P.C., Mr. Faridullah Khan directed Secretary IBCC, Mr. Ramzan Aurakzai to inform the Committee about implementation status of recommendations made by it in the last meeting of the Committee held on 3rd April, 2013. Senator Kalsoom Parveen highly objected at absence of related officers from Baluchistan. While emphasizing upon adoption of a uniform curriculum all over the country, she questioned the Ministry of I.P.C. as to how they are linking towards a uniform curriculum when the reality is that all provinces are following their own separate curriculum. The Secretary I.B.C.C. replied that education has been devolved as a result of 18th Amendment but since subjects having international association have been retained on Federal level in this scenario, the role of I.B.C.C. has become more challenging than ever as minimum standards need to be identified so that a uniform level can be maintained as main education departments are represented in the I.B.C.C. forum. The Chairperson of the Committee reminded the Secretary, I.P.C. about Committee’s reservations regarding N.T.S. in its last meeting. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal while endorsing her views also stated that testing level is not being considered in the N.T.S. as Joint Secretaries are being questioned about mathematics which is highly irrelevant. That is a wrong testing procedure, she said as every field has its own demand. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed the Ministry of I.P.C. to provide all details regarding the basis on which every province is developing its curriculum separately. She urged upon the said Ministry to play its due role in developing a uniform curriculum for the whole country. The Secretary I.P.C. informed the Committee that the proposal of C.C.I. is meant to meeting these very demands of national integrity. The Secretary, I.P.C. sought the permission of the Committee to put education including private institutions, although a provincial subject now, on agenda of C.C.I. The Committee gave its appro val for the same.

6. Next, the Chairman, I.B.C.C., Pakistan and Chairman BISE, Peshawar, Dr. Mohammad Shafi informed the Committee that the Federal curriculum of 2006 and 2007 has been recently implemented upon in 2013 and the same will be followed during next 4‐5 years. Regarding teachers’ training, he said that it is already being imparted in KPK under a programme, Curriculum Implementation Framework, (CIF) which is implementing upon curriculum of 2006 and 2007. Traditional Exams system is being improved and reformed and it is hoped that 20% change will be brought till 2015 in this regard to bring it more near to the international standards, he said. The problem is that every Board is independent and I.B.C.C. can only recommend these changes/reforms. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that it is very wrong that very high‐level educational experts are being authorized to bring about changes on secondary/higher secondary levels. She further exclaimed that English Books for 9th and 10th classes have faulty English and should be burnt as they are fanning sectarianism. She was informed that Review Committee under Chairman, Textbook Board is in the process of reviewing the said book. The Chairperson also expressed her strong reservations regarding spread of sectarianism through books in schools. The Secretary, I.P.C. stated that it is a very serious national breach for which an inquiry retrospectively should be ordered to ascertain as to who approved/sanctioned the said English syllabus.

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7. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal while referring to statement given by Chairman, IBCC/Chairman BISE, Peshawar regarding formation of a curriculum of international standards, stressed that first of all, we should focus on developing a national standard of curriculum. She said that priority should be given to remove innumerable mistakes present in our present curriculum which has been finalized by Professors. What is required is that an educationist of same level should be entrust e d with the job.

8. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq also emphasized that concept of right man for the right job should be adopted for education and curriculum needs also. Secondly, she emphasized upon inculcation of moral values in our curriculum as there is a dearth of morality in the society‐Parents have no time for moral uplift of their children and modern technology is also being misused. Family unit has become weak. Alongwith parents, teachers are also not focussing upon moral fibre of young minds, s he sta ted.

9. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that she has a 30 years experience in education and what is not being done is the development of intellect. It is very essential to encourage writers of children’s books/syllabus.

10. The Chairperson of the Committee referred to the working paper for Peshawar and said that things are not as good as are being portrayed just because no T.V. footage regarding cheating in exams in Peshawar has been seen as has been witnessed in other cities like Karachi, Hyderabad and Sukkur. Belonging to Peshawar, she said that the education being imparted in schools focusses only on reproducing the text in the syllabus rather than emphasizing upon thought‐ provoking contents and meaning of the syllabus. She strongly recommended that practice of using guides and short‐cuts for exams must be strictly curbed and young minds need to be educated in right manner. Our education system she said is producing such M.A/M. Phils who cannot even write an application correctly. She emphasized about inclusion of life histories of legends of Islam like friends of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) and his views and great Sufi saints. She said that we ourselves have provided an easy ground for cheating to our students. The persons at the helm of educational affairs should take a stand that no cheating will be allowed or tolerated and no educational board will take bribe. She said that in Peshawar schools are buying whole examination halls. Students are getting marks and grades like 98% or 99% in exams which is humanly impossible.

11. The Secretary, I.P.C. informed the Committee that the ADP of new KPK government has announced a phenomenal jump in education budget from Rs. 13 billion to about Rs. 60 billion which is a 10 time increase. He suggested that KPK’s education Secretary should be invited in next meeting of the Committee to share observations of Committee with him and to find about viable plans by his government for education that can possibly be adopted by other provinces in future also. He opined that there is no mechanism at present to reform teachers so that they do not indulge in buying examination halls. He also said that it is very

42 important to take provinces very seriously with the Federal government. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal was of the view that situation of education in KPK inspite of terrorism is be tter than the other provinces.

12. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that it is very heartening to note that KPK’s educational budget has been increased by 10 times but the question here is that will this increased amount be spent on infrastructure of schools or increase in staff in the schools. What actually matters is the expertise on ground. She opined that at present, we are at a stage where attaining international level in education is not possible for us as in Baluchistan, children are studying under the trees without any building or washrooms. The Chairperson and Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal apprec i ated th e system of education in A.J.K.

13. Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz was of the view that our society has become dishonest and sick as we assign a plumber’s work to an electrician, endangering their lives. Similarly, administration in education should be separated from teaching staff. He also recommended an inquiry into issue of 9th and 10th English syllabus. He also suggested that in the next meeting of the Committee educational Secretaries from all provinces should be called to give report to the Committee about school systems there. Regarding Sindh he stated that a good development has taken place there whereby teachers are not directly appointed and they have to clear a test to be appointed. He further said that at present, teachers and principals of schools are involved in cheating process. He recommended strict implementation on section 144 to hand over culprits involved in cheating process to the pol i ce.

14. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq expressed her strong reservations on merging of boy scouts with girl guides and called upon the said Ministry to fix the responsibility in this regard. She said that Girl Guides Association deals with character building. She recommended that Secretary of the said Association and National Commissioner should be called in a meeting. The Chairperson also lauded the positive contribution by Girl Guides Association but lamented that under a planned conspiracy, all such positive ideas and campaigns are being put an end to. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq also emphasized that children should also be involved in community work and some marks should be kept for it for students.

15. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali stated that there used to be very good teachers in government schools but now weak and inefficient people are being inducted as teachers who run after transfers whole day do not come to schools. He said that without education, terrorism will increase and recommended that 8‐10 schools should be given to private sector in order to increase poor children’s level to that of children of elite class. He highly lauded the efforts being made by Chairperson of the Committee to solve problems of our education system through the Committee. He also recommended that heads of educational institutions should stop nepotism and favouritism and that for teachers, a certain minimum standard should be maintained – He recommended that no teacher should be less than a graduate.

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16. After that, the educational expert, Mr. Musharraf Zaidi who is heading an educational campaign, called “Alif Ailaan” presented his point of view before the Committee. He informed the Committee that the said campaign is a foreign‐funded project, under DFID which carries out different projects including education. The aim behind this campaign is to instil the element of education. He opined that time is required for improving education system in the country but he paid homage to government employees, teachers as well as administration for working under present conditions and pressures. He said that education system is rotting as cheating is not itself a disease. He said that education side should be separate from the administration side. He said it is very important to identify as to whether an expert is required to form a syllabus for the students or teachers of a school. He informed the Committee that at present there are 2.5 crore children of 5‐16 years of age in Pakistan who are not going to school. Many of the children get dropped out of school due to different factors. There are 11 lac teachers in public sector. Absentees on any given day are 17 – 26% which means about 2 lac teachers are absent in school on any given day. He said that it is not right to under‐mine the remaining 9 lac teachers who are punctual and regular because of these 2 lac irresponsible teachers. Regarding quality of education he said that if class 5 students are tested in mathematics syllabus for class 2, 50% of these students will fail. He lauded the contribution made by Parliamentarians for formulating Article 25‐A making it mandatory to provide free education to children of age group 5‐16. He said in order to bring the out of school children into the education net a change has to be brought socially and culturally. He said it is the need of the moment to focus fully on Article 25‐A. He said that 74 % of the educational budget goes into salaries and utility bills while the remaining 26 % for development purposes and in development also, very less amount is reserved for improving quality of education and most of the development budget is spent of building and infrastructure. There is a need to focus on training of in‐service of teachers.

17. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that many of educational problems can be solved if there is a will for it. She said that in many Islamabad colleges retired teachers were asked to take one period daily in colleges where teachers are lacking. She said that 16% children in ICT do not have a proper school and drinking water. Situation in ICT she said is much better than the rest of Pakistan.

18. Chairman BISE, Sukkur, Ghulam Mujtba informed the Committee that an Act for Free and Compulsory Education has been passed by the Sindh Assembly with 2 offshoots i.e. the education budget this year has been enhanced by 9% as compared to the last year and 119 million out of the budget is the recurring budget and 13% is the development budget. 10% of the development budget is for new schools. He said that it is needed to impart training to the teachers. Sindh is the first province which has formed a body under an Act of the Assembly called Sindh Teachers Education and Development Authority (STEDA). This Authority is working on merit without any influence from bureaucracy and includes Parliamentarians as well as Secretary Education. This Authority is working solely for teachers training. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that Sindh Rural is very backward in education

44 where education needs to be promoted. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that in Balochistan, which is the most backward area of the country regarding education, 14 out of 13 districts are such where there is some education while the others are almost without any education like Kharan, Turbat and Khuzdar etc. She questioned as to what role can the Standing Committee and IBCC play for increasing education in Balo c histan .

19. The Chairperson was informed on a query by Mr. Musharraf Zaidi, Director, “Alif Ailaan” that education situation is very grave in Sindh and Balochistan and the role of Federation in both the provinces is very limited after 18th Amendment. The first challenge in this regard he said is that Ministry of Education, Ministry of IPC, Chief Minister Secretariat plus Education departments in both the provinces should have an exchange of ideas in order to form specific education policies for them, specially for Balochistan. Just more funding will not solve the issue as Balochistan challenges are very different from Punjab. There are access issues in Balochistan. In this regard the Standing Committee may recommend to the Federal Government to create a support mechanism that is not just entailing money but also expertise, technology and cooperation for the education sector to these provinces. In addition to providing educational infrastructure through fund, it is also important to provide good teachers in Balochistan. Similarly different approaches should be used for different provinces to achieve one and the same purpose. He said that he will be happy to suggest some names of educational experts in this regard for consultation with the Standing Committee.

20. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmed Khawaja stated that politics has crept into government teachers associations and unions in the province of Sindh. He informed the Committee that Sindh University remained closed for one and a half year due to some vested interests. He said that in private sector there is no politics. He recommended that the government should somehow stop this politics in government educational institutions from primary to university level. Then, there is a lot of v iolenc e in Sindh. For both factors, legislation is required.

21. The Chairmen BISE, Hyderabad, Prof. Aleem Khanzada endorsed the views expressed in the Committee. He was of the opinion that unionism is the major reason for decline in education sector. He said that 70% of the teachers do not go to school for duty. Also he said that curriculum for primary level is too heavy for the children. He recommended that this curriculum should be reduced for primary level children. He further said that copy culture has become a mafia in his province.

22. The Chairperson of the Committee made a number of recommendations:‐ National Education Policy should be formulated and launched. Secondly, she recommended that budget for education should be increased and Article 25‐A must be practically implemented upon in letter and spirit in the whole country. She said that funding should not remain an issue for education. She said that culture of voluntary teachers should be promoted. Furthermore she said that NCC training and Girl Guide course should be made compulsory in schools. She also recommended that Girl Guides and Boy Scouts should not be merged. There should be sport facility for female students also and drinking water should be made

45 available in all schools. Toilet facility should also be provided in schools. She informed the participants of the Committee that the IPC Standing Committee has a Twitter Account now. Senator Kalsoom Parveen suggested that the next meeting of the Committee o the meeting should be held in Quetta, Balochistan. Senator Saeeda Iqbal added that in‐service teachers should be provided incentives and relevant training. Teachers should be sent from one province to another to meet shortfall of teacher s there voluntarily.

23. Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz emphasized that the old culture of voluntary teaching by retired and in‐service teachers should be revived. He questioned the Chairmen BISE of Hyderabad, Sukkur and Karachi as to what remedy have they devised for copy culture in their respective provinces. He particularly lauded case of a child who had appeared in exam in place of a prisoner but he was apprehended. He was informed by Chairman of Hyderabad Board where the said child was found appearing in the test in place of a prisoner in Dadu that a high level inquiry was conducted and the case is in process. Such cases are referred to disciplinary committee in all provinces where personal hearings take place after which different punishments are rewarded according to the offence. In impersonification cases, the candidate is debarred from appearing in exams for 2‐3 years or their subjects are cancelled. As a reaction to Dadu incident, the said school’s Principal office was burnt. The Senator stated that all such cases should be reported to the media. Senator Kalsoom Parveen recommended that prisoners should be provided educational facilities in Jails to change their mindset and jails should be declare d exam ination centres.

24. The Chairperson of the Committee stated that the Committee has had comprehensive discussion on education related issues but it has not discussed the main agenda item relating to copy culture/cheating in exams. Even the working paper does not contain relevant information, she said. The Committee was informed by Secretary IBCC that examinations are being conducted in jails and this year 121 prisoners are appearing for their Inter exams from the jails which have been declared as examination centres. impersonification cases are sent for FIR and reported to the media also. He also said that last year 2912 cases related to copy culture were barred from appearing in exams for 2‐3 years as a penalty. Their names appear in the newspapers alongwith their particulars. Also, pattern of papers has also been changed, 20 % of the papers is objective in nature and 50% requires short answers. This is an effective way to check cheating. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that whole examination centres are being bought. The Chairperson said that this is a very sensitive issue and papers are leaked. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmed Khawaja stated that money is fixed for getting 70% or 80 % marks in the exams which i s a real ity n ow.

25. The Chairman BISE, Peshawar, Dr. Shafi stated that cheating is very big challenge for the education system in Pakistan. He said that there are different stake holders in this game like parents, the prayer leaders of mosques, families and pocket guides which are used only for cheating. Political will and support of government is required in this regard. He informed the Committee that daily complaints of cheating in exams are being monitored and mobile teams do this

46 work. This strategy has approved very effective in Peshawar. He said that the mandate of BISE is only assessment and to address education challenges, all stake holders should be called in a meeting by the Standing Committee. He informed the Committee that in his examination centres, he limits the number of candidates to 200 – 300. Two weeks prior to examination, the examination hall, toilets, drinking water, fans and other facilities are checked through Boards inspectors. The candidates should be encouraged and given respect so that they realize that they are involved in a very important activity regarding education. The Chairperson stated that it is almost impossible to achieve marks like 98% or 99 % but such grading is being done. Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz recommended that all stake holders should be called in next meeting of the Committee to tackle these issue as Boards are responsible only for conducting exams. The Committee was informed by Chairman BISE Peshawar that CCTV Cameras have been installed in the examination centres, remuneration for checking the papers has been increased, fixed number of papers (1200) are given for marking to invigilators. The papers of top 3 position holders are thrice checked and those papers are open documents. Senator Kalsoom stated that students of Balochistan do not required Lap Tops. Instead they should be given transport and infrastructure facilities. Special incentives should be given to female c hild in Balochistan.

26. The Chairperson of the Committee raised the issue of salaries of PTDC of employees who have not been given their pay for the past 16 months. The Secretary IPC stated with reference to discussion in the meeting that recommendations made by the Committee will be fully implemented upon. He strongly endorsed the recommendation made by the Chairperson and Members of the Committee regarding formulation of the National Education Policy. He suggested that Provincial Secretaries of Education should be called in the next meeting of the Committee, but before inviting them for the meeting, a detailed letter will be sent to them regarding the minutes of the present meeting. He said that it is very important now to approve a practical plan for the Committees recommendations. In this regard out of box solutions can also be employed. Regarding PTDC salaries he said that subject of tourism has been dissolved. The entity of PTDC is now being liquidated. The issue is deciding the status of PTDC Motels. These assets will be referred to provinces according to their geographical location. Some of the salaries have been disbursed as per provision given by Finance Ministry. It has been decided to run every motel commercially to generate money in summer months. The said money will be given in salaries. He said that there are no resources to pay salaries of 16 months to the PTDC employees, he said as PTDC is being wrapped up. The Chairperson stated that assetts and liabilities should have been transferred together to the provinces. He said that many of the PTDC employees are on daily wages and many of the terminated/suspended elements are also agitating for salaries. Most of the regular employ e es ask ing for salaries are in the Headquarters of PTDC.

27. The Committee made the following unanimous recommendations:‐

(i). There should be a uniform curriculum all over the country. The Ministry of I.P.C. should provide all details regarding the basis on which every province is developing its curriculum separately.

47 (ii). The subject of education, al though a devolved subject should be placed including private educational institutions on the agenda of C.C.I. (iii). English books of 9th and 10th classes should be cleared of mistakes and all educational books fanning sectarianism should be banned. (iv). Concept of right man for the right job should be adopted for curriculum needs of the country. (v). Sound moral values should be inculcated in students through a uniform curriculum in the country. Life histories of legends of Islam like friends of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) and views of the Prophet (P.H.U.H) and great Sufi saints should be part of syllabus. (vi). Writers of children’s books/syllabi should be encouraged. (vii). Practice of using guides and short‐cuts for exams must be strictly curbed. (viii). Cheating must not be tolerated at any level. (ix). Basic infrastructure needs and drinking water/toilets should be made available for students i n far‐flung rural areas of the country, specially Balochistan. (x). Secretaries Education fr om all 4 provinces should be call e d in next meeting to report about school systems there. (xi). There should be strict implementation on section 144 to hand over culprits involved in cheating process to the police. (xii). There should be no merging of Girl Guides and Boy Scouts. Children should also be involved in community work and be trained through NCC. (xiii). Article 25‐A must be practically implemented in the whole country. (xiv). Voluntary teaching should be promoted. (xv). Teacher training must be provided at all levels. (xvi). Politics through Association/Unions should b discoraged in as e u ll government educational institutions. (xvii). A National Education Policy should be formed, budget for education should be increased, funding should not remain an issue for education, sports facility should be made available to female students and drinking water/toilets should be made available in all schools.

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28. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN, SENATOR FARAH AQIL, Secretary, Senate Standing Committee Chairperson, on Inter‐Provincial Senate Standing Committee on Coordination/Director, Interpretation. Inter‐Provincial Coordination.

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 5Th NOVEMBER, 2013 AT 2 P.M. IN COMMITTEE ROOM NO.1, PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD.

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A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 5th November, 2013 at 2 p.m. in Committee Room No.1, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The following Members attended the meeting:

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member iii. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwala Member iv. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member v. Senator Mohammad Zafarullah Khan Dhan d la Member vi. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq Member vii. Minister for r‐Provincial Coordination Ex‐officio Member Mian Riaz Hussain Pirzada

3. The Agenda of the meeting was as under:

a. Detailed briefing on the Procedures, Practices and functioning of Council of Common Interest (CCI).

b. Any other item with the permission of the Chair

4. The meeting commenced with recitation from the Holy Quran by Senator Saleem H. Mandviwala. The Chairperson of the Standing Committee, Senator Farah Aqil warmly welcomed Minister for Inter‐Provincial Coordination, Mian Riaz Hussain Pirzada and officers from the Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination (I.P.C) a n d Cou ncil of Common Interest (C.C.I.).

5. At the outset of the meeting, the Chairperson stated that there is a lot of confusion regarding the subjects devolved to Provinces. She added that it is very important for the Committee’s working that the Ministry should duly inform the Committee about the status of the devolved subjects. She specifically mentioned serious issues/challenges regarding health matters in the province of K.P.K. She directed the concerned Ministry to immediately provide the updated list of devolved subjects as well as the subjects still under the mandate of the concerned Ministry and Standing Committee. She also mentioned the Committee’s endeavors regarding proposed visit to Swat and revival of Malam Jabba Resort there in order to promote soft image of the country and to boost tourism but she said this and other efforts of the Standing Committees get halted due to the confusion about devolved subjects. She said the Committee wants to ascertain as to what extent the subjects have been

50 devolved, partially or completely and whether this transition from the Center to the provinces is smooth or not. The Federal Minster for I.P.C. Mian Riaz Hussain Pirzada stated that the present meeting’s agenda is based on C.C.I. and for taking up the issue of Malam Jabba Resort, the Committee should call P.T.D.C. and concerned offices f rom th e Ministry of I.P.C.

6. After the introduction of the Members of the Committee as well as officers from the concerned Ministry and C.C.I., Senator Saleem H. Mandviwala while endorsing the views expressed by the Chairperson of the Committee recommended that it will be most pertinent to discussed compliance reports by the Ministry regarding previous recommendations made by the Standing Committee in its earlier meeting. He further remarked that the agenda perceived and designed for the ongoing meeting conveys that the Committee is only interested in knowing the procedure, practices and functioning of Council of Common Interest (C.C.I) but the fact of the matter is that the Committee would like to be informed in depth about what subjects have been devolved and to what extent after the 18th Amendment. The Minister for IPC also endorsed the recommendation made by the Senator and stated that compliance report by the Ministry should be taken up in the beginning of all meetings in future. Senator Kalsoom Perveen added that there should be discussion about the recommendations made by the Committee in its last meeting at the very beginning of the Committee meeting. She further said that the Minister for I.P.C. is very cooperative and helpful regarding issues being taken up by the Standing Committee. Senator Salim H. Mandviwala reiterated that in the next meeting, the Committee should take up the recommendations made by the Committee in the present meeting as well as the last meeting. Senator Kalsoom Perveen asked the Ministry to provide the details of all cases taken up by the C.C.I. after the 18th Amendment and those issues which have been resolved by the C.C.I. uptil now. With reference to concurrent list, she said that some of the subjects should never have been transferred from the Center to the Provinces and in this regard she particularly mentioned the unresolved issues/reservations pertaining to Health Component and Training Centre. It is very important not to have devolved some subjects and to retain them in the Centre like health. The Minister stated that the present suggestions/demands can be taken up at the formation of C.C.I. Secretariat which is yet to be set up and which will take up the suggestions as well as the reservations/doubts and fears of the provinces in detail. Senator Kalsoom Parveen highlighted the fatal diseases like Congo fever and Dengue in Balochistan province which at the moment is not in a position to deal with these highly serious issues on its own. She said that there is always room for improvement and amendment and nothing is the last word. In this regard, she mentioned the issue of Boiler Industry in Karachi and the issue of Standing Committees visiting there. But she said the provinces says that it does not have any facility at all. The Industry says that they have handed over the Boiler to the provinces which is not right as there should be some mechanism in the Center to handle these issues. She also mentioned the deteriorating situation of Sheikh Zaid Hospital, Quetta which is running only a dispensary at present. She questioned that how the provinces can handle such issues when these subjects/entities do not fall either with the provinces or with Centre. She criticised the role being played by bureaucracy in devolution as they

51 have retained entities /subjects of their own interest in the Centre with them and have devolved the others to the provinces. The Minister endorsed the views expressed by the Senator and cited the example of Canada and Australia where health was originally in the provinces but they have brought it up to the level of Centre. Similarly, he said that as issue of immunization is of International significance, there is a need to keep it with the Centre. He stated that many of the subjects have become scattered resulting in a lot of issues for which the Standing Committees for IPC in the Senate and National Assembly should work. He extended his all‐out cooperation and support in this regard to Standing Committees. He said that as the Senate represents all four provinces therefore these issues are the domain of the Senate. He also said that the Standing Committee of I.P.C. should also take notice of so‐called housing societies sprouting up every where and environmental issues like undue and illegal cutting of trees. Further legislation is required to check these illegal activities including issues related to water and distribution of electricity. He said that not only the Standing Committees of I.P.C. in both Houses are very important Committees but he being the Minster for I.P.C. is also the Deputy Prime Minister of Pakistan. This frame work of I.P.C. will be looking after Legislative List Part‐II. Senator Kalsoom Parveen also mentioned the issue of diminishing greenery in K.P.K. because of timber Mafia. She also mentioned another issue of Balochistan regarding supply of inadequate electricity from Giddu for Balochistan which is a grave injustice to the province producing Sui Gas. The Minister stated that all regularity authorities are the domain of I.P.C. but at the moment they are all scatted elsewhere. The Minister said that this Standing Committee should work on these issues and there should be more frequent meetings in this regard. Many of the devolved subjects, he said, should be returned to the Centre from the provinces. He said it is the responsibility of the Standing Committee on IPC to check regularity authorities like OGRA, NEPRA, PTA, NTC, Railways, Finances etc. The Minister pledged assistance to the Committee and added that devolution will bring benefits to smaller provinces.

7. After that, Senior J.S. (CCI), Mr. Shahzad Iqbal gave a briefing to the Committee on the agenda item. He informed the Committee that the CCI was originally established in 1973 Constitution. Now, the role of CCI has been expanded after the 18th Amendment. Now the forum is being headed by the Prime Minister. He termed the CCI as an icon of Federalism which gives a say to the provinces in the matters of Federation. He stated that prior to 2010, Cabinet Division was the Secretariat of the CCI but after 18th Amendment, it was transferred to Ministry of IPC. He also informed the Committee that the Council is responsible to both the Houses of Parliament for its functions and performance and uptil now its two Reports have been laid in the Parliament. The 3rd Report is awaiting for approval by the Council. He said that a permanent Secretariat of the Council is yet to be established. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwala was informed by the Minister on a query that the said Secretariat has already been notified. The said Secretariat he said will be set up soon in the Petroleum Minister’s vacant office. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq was informed on a query by the Minister that the said Secretariat will soon be set up as a result of pressure built up by the Standing Committees of I.P.C. Senator Dr. Saedda Iqbal was of the opinion that the Minister sould be representative of the non‐

52 federating units. The Minister said that for non‐federating units, ICT and FATA, membership would be given. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal again emphasized that as capital is the face of the country so it should be given proper representation in the Council. The Minister said that in this case, Islamabad will have to be declared as a province. Senator Kalsoom Parveen mentioned that the C.C.I. is at the moment is taking up the issues related to 3 hospitals of Karachi about health, JPMC, NICVD and Children Hospital. The Senior Joint Secretary of the CCI said that in the last meeting of the Council the issues pertaining to electricity for Balochistan were taken up and it was found that the transmission line over there cannot take up the load. In this regard directions were given to M/o Water and Power to upgrade the transmission line as early as possible to resolve this electricity issue in Balochistan. He said that there is also a decision by the C.C.I. that cross‐border supply of electricity should be started which will help Balochistan. The Minister informed the Committee that there was an objection raised by Chief Minister of Sindh regarding generation of electricity from coal in Balochistan. He had objected that as coal industry is in Sindh so why is this setup being established in Balochistan. The reason behind that was that cheaper coal would arrive at the harbour and the machines will be having a capacity to cater to the future processing of indigenous coal. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal highly objected at this development and said that this process will be extremely dangerous for environment and sea life there. The Minister appreciated her concern and the matter will be referred to the CCI. The Senator reiterated that it is very important to give due status and rights to ICT, FATA and KPK regarding water, power and gas. The Minister said that the Chief Ministers have a very stern attitude on these issues. All these things he said are being brought in the notice of the Prime Min ister who is heading the CCI.

8. The Senior J.S CCI further informed the Committee that the decisions of the Council, in case of any objection is applicable to both the Houses of the Parliament and in the joint sitting such decisions can be challenged. Regarding the delay in the next census, the Chairperson was informed that there were certain objections by the provinces. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query by the Minister that the Committee can also take up issues relating to HEC. The Minister also stated that the Centre will act as a post office to provide international assistance through it to the provinces.

9. The Committee was informed by Senior Joint Secretary of CCI that after the 18th Amendment the CCI formed rules and procedures on 18th July. Under Rule 5 meetings of CCI are convened with the approval from the Prime Minister. He further said it is mandatory to hold a meeting of the CCI after every 90 days.

10. Senator Kalsoom P stated that the role of CCI is very limited and has a mediatory role for the provinces. She endorsed the views expressed by Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal regarding the major role being played by the Ministry of IPC. She said that health has been devolved to the provinces but PMDC is located at the Centre which means all the attached regulatory bodies are being controlled by the Centre. She posed a question that after the 18th Amendment how many cases have been resolved by the CCI/concerned Ministry by calling all the four Chief Secretaries meetings. She said that 18 subjects have been devolved and just for the issue of

53 health only Standing Committee of IPC needs a full working day for deliberations. She reminded the Chairperson of her proposal to take up the issue of Sheikh Zaid Hospital Quetta by visiting it and holding a meeting there. Such issues she said should be taken up on priority by the Ministry and Standing Committee with guidance from the Minister IPC. The said that there is a need to resolving these issues starting from the very basics because at present there is no Secretariat of the CCI. He said that Senator Raza Rabbani who was heading the devolution process did not get enough time to form a Secretariat for the CCI. He also said that there is a need to have comprehensive meetings to get a grip on these issues. In this regard he mentioned that in countries like Siri Lanki, China, Turkey and India the Standing Committees have their own Secretariats which are highly active and productive in terms of output. This pattern needs to be introduced for our Standing Committees also to make a headway. The Chairperson and Committee Members strongly endorsed the Minister’s views. The Chairperson stated that it is very disappointing to know that the CCI still has no Secretariat of its own.

11. Senator Kalsoom Parveen highlighted the issues of one lac Lady Health Workers in Baluchistan about whom the Center had decided to pay their salaries for five years. She said that those Lady Health Workers are still suffering for their meagre salary. There is no training and no transport for them. She said that their services are being utilized only for Polio vaccine programme for 4 to 5 days during which they are provided with transport. In case of floods these Lady Health Workers are called to go to different villages. But this process is destroying the main objective behind the concept that the Lady Health Workers are supposed to take care of their own villages’ Health problems and to facilitate people there. They were supposed to the get training for 5 years but no such training has been imparted to them. How can an untrained Lady Health Worker facilitate people in a village about health matters she questioned. The Minister added that in Pakistan we have to setup Women Sports Wing as in the whole world. The Centre/CCI is writing to provinces in this regard and implementation on these directions is the work of the provinces. Senator Kalsoom Parveen informed him that she is also President of Lady Soft Ball. The Minister said that there is no Sports University/Sports Village in the country. Senator Kalsoom Parveen said that there are a huge number of fake sports federations and proposed that the Standing Committee should take up this issue in next meeting as an agenda item. The Chairperson stated that the Committee has already taken up this issue in the past. The Minister informed the Committee that the Ministry is targetting 5 to 6 games on priority and will also launch talent hunt to train budding talents for the next Olympics due after 2 years. He said that this campaign will start from Bahawalpur as long‐distance runners come from desert areas. He lamented that there is no medal for a country of 21 crore people and our hockey team has also been defeated. In February this talent hunt will be launched in all the provinces he said. He appreciated the keen interest and involvement of the Chairperson of the Committee in all these issues. The Chairperson questioned as to how do the fake federations manage to get money/funds from the Centre. She was informed by the Minister that he has totally stopped all funding/cash to all such federations after the directions given by the Standing Committee in this regard. The Chairperson highly appreciated this

54 development. The Minister that assured her that all recommendations made by the Standing Committee will be implemented upon in letter and spirit. The Chairperson took up the issue of vaccine from the UNICEF which come without any warranty. The Minister said that the Standing Committee can call the concerned department because it is still the domain of the IPC. He said that the Standing Committee can call a meeting on this issue under Legislative List Part‐II as all regulatory authorities lie in the Centre. He said that generally speaking, the Standing Committee IPC can call any department under Legislative List Part‐II, he said. The Chairperson said that the Committee wants to take up many issues in order to streamline the process of devolution and to make it fruitful. The Minister remarked that agenda for the next meeting can be set up by mastering the Legislative List Part‐II.

12. The Senior J.S. further informed the Committee about the role of the CCI. He said that after every meeting of the CCI, its minutes are prepared and circulated within 7 days by the Secretariat. Any correction in the minutes is done with the approval of the Prime Minister. The Secretary IPC examines all the summaries from the provinces or the federal government as per prescribed rules and related to federal Legislative List Part‐II. The Prime Minister also approves the agenda of the next meeting of the CCI. Regarding Health and provincial incapacity, he said that when the vertical programmes were taken up in a meeting of the CCI in order to ask the provinces to authorise the federal government, all the provinces took the stand that as vertical programmes are devolved subjects and that the provinces were fully competent to deal with them. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stressed that it is the responsibility of the federal government to distribute foreign funding among the provinces. She brought an important issue in the knowledge of the Minister and Committee regarding a recent USAID initiative for building a new Pakistan regarding subjects of health, education, agriculture and women empowerment in the provinces. She said that she has questioned NGOs like USAID as to in which capacity were they taking up this initiative in her province on their own. She said that in this way without the permission of any proper government institution/authority, these NGOs have been given a free hand in the provinces to explore everything there which is wrong. She questioned as to what type of support is this that on the one hand the people of her province are being killed and on the other hand, our development issues are being taken up by the foreign forces. She said that all such assistance by the foreign NGOs should be provided to the provinces with permission/monitoring from the Centre. The Minister informed that foreign aid is not being audited by the Auditor General and all funding is being made directly and spent directly. The government should take necessary measures in this regard he said while pointing out that a letter has been written in this regard to the Finance Ministry to issue an SRO to the effect that all foreign money coming into Pakistan should be taken up by an institution, Burqab as is the practice in Bangladesh and in this way proper audit can also be ensured. He said that it is the work of Parliamentarians basically to monitor such issues and activities. Senator Kalsoom Parveen again emphasized that there should be a watchdog at the Center to monitor and check the foreign funding in Pakistan. The Minister said that the Standing Committee should also carry out required legislative work in this regard. He said that first of all, the Standing Committee should take up the issue of the next

55 census. The Chairperson questioned as to why is the census getting delayed. The Senior J.S. CCI replied that the CCI had given the approval for census in 2010. Housing census was conducted but the figures that came out of it were grossly mutilated which were not approved by the Council. The Prime Minister decided to discuss the matter with all Chief Ministers to form future strategy in the regard. That meetin g is yet to take place, he said.

13. The Chairperson was informed on a query about the vacant post of Chairman HEC that a nomination will soon be made in this regard. He said that in many organizations/institutions there are vacant posts of MD’s/Chairman. The Chairperson also took up the issue of appointment of a regular MD in PTV and said that it is regrettable that the present MD, PTV who is doing a remarkable job on adhoc basis is suffering. She said that the said post of the MD, PTV requires a permanent and regular MD. The Minister informed the Committee that interviews for post of MD, PTV have been conducted and the present MD is also one of the short‐listed candidates for the said post. The Chairperson inquired as to when will this slot be filled. The Minister informed her that the final selection for the post of MD, PTV will be made after the 15th of December, 2013. The Coordinator to the Minister IPC, Dr. Qazi Mujtaba informed the Chairperson and the Committee that in this regard a Committee has been formed comprising of Ch. Abdul Rauf, Mr. Shams Lakha and another Member. The Chairperson next inquired about a special Committee that was formed about one and half year back on IPC. She was informed by the Senior J.S. that it was a High‐Powered Committee to look into process of devolution. The Chairperson inquired about a letter sent by the Senior J.S., CCI Mr. Shahzad Iqbal to the Standing Committee to the effect that the working and performance of the CCI chaired by the Prime Minister cannot be reviewed by the Standing Committee. The Minister explained that the decision was made at the highest forum of the Prime Minister and such decisions are made after consensus among all the provinces’ Chief Secretaries.

14. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that it is very important for the Centre to realize which province requires what commodity the most. She particularly mentioned the grave issue of freezing winters in Baluchistan where people have to survive in temperatures like –15 degree centigrade without any gas for domestic use and warmth. It is very difficult she said to survive without domestic gas over there. She said that she has also written a letter regarding gas load shedding in Baluchistan to the Prime Minister. She strongly recommended that domestic gas should be made available throughout the winter season in Baluchistan. The Chairperson highly endorsed her recommendation and said that it is a big injustice to the people of Baluchistan as gas for the whole country is being produced by Baluchistan. The Chairperson stated that the next meeting of the Committee will be held at Quetta and the issues pertaining to Sheikh Zaid Hospital there and other Baluchistan issues related to devolution will be on the agenda. The Minister for IPC stated that the meeting at Quetta should be scheduled after 18th November, 2013. Senator Kalsoom Parveen highly appreciated this decision by the Chairperson and the Minister for IPC. The Chairperson also decided to hold another meeting in Islamabad regarding the issue of salary of employees of PTDC. The Minister

56 informed her that the Ministry has paid them two months salary but the Standing Committee should take up this issue for resolution. He said that the main issue is that many of the appointments were made involving graft money and now this case has been referred to the NAB by him.

15. The Committee made the following unanimous recommendations:‐

i. A permanent Secretariat should be established for the Council of Common Interest as early as possible. ii. The Committee should be briefed regarding the status of Devolved subjects and subjects still being retained at the federal level. iii. Islamabad and FATA should be duly represented in the CCI. iv. There should be no gas load shedding in Baluchistan during winters (from November till March) for domestic consumption. A request in this regard should be presented to the Prime Minister by the CCI.

16. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN, SENATOR FARAH AQIL, Secretary, Senate Standing Committee Chairperson, on Inter‐Provincial Senate Standing Committee on Coordination/Director, Interpretation. Inter‐Provincial Coordination.

57 SENATE SECRETARIAT

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 24th DECEMBER, 2013 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR

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A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 24th December, 2013 at 2:30 p.m. in Committee Room No.1, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The agenda before the Committee was as under:‐

i. Follow‐up of recommendations of last two Committee meetings and any concrete steps taken by the Ministry so far. ii. Detailed briefing/discussion on working/performance of Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation (P.T.D.C) and it s motels/hotels in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK). iii. To review/oversee process of devolution of Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation (P.T.D.C) vis‐e‐vis its smoothness and effectiveness. iv. Comprehensive briefing on working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council, Islamabad. v. Any other item with the permission of the Chair.

3. T he fo llowing members of the Committee attended the meeting:‐

i. Senator. Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member iii. Senator Saeeda Iqbal Member iv. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmad Khawaja Member

4. The meeting commenced with the recitation from the Holy Quran. At the outset of the meeting, the Chairperson of the Committee, Senator Farah Aqil welcomed the Senators and officers of I.P.C Ministry.

5. Senator Saeeda Iqbal stated that the contents of Islamiat and Pakistan Studies should be uniform throughout the country and must be approved by the Council of Common Interests (C.C.I). She suggested that in cooperation with the C.C.I, a Committee should be established for this job. She proposed that a broad outline from the perspective of National unity should be considered while devising syllabi. She stated that the current Syllabus is too heavy and students of English Medium schools face difficulties in getting admissions into Medical and Engineering colleges due to Pakistan Studies, Islamiat and Urdu. She suggested that compulsory subjects should be minimum so that the core specialization does not suffer. Referring to the schools textbooks writing, she highlighted that a teacher or an

58 expert of that level is ignored rather the task is entrusted to university teachers. She outlined the need for a check on what is being taught in private schools, madrassas and mi ss ionar y institutions.

6. The Chairperson of the Committee emphasized upon the importance of the issue and stated that it is a need of the hour to streamline the education system. She mentioned that there can be unity in diversity and stressed that despite being diverse as Pakhtun, Sindhi, Balochi and Punjabi, the thinking must be uniform. While referring to the mistakes being pointed out in English textbook of class 9th, she asked the I.B.C.C officials as to what progress has been made in removing those mistakes and she desired to know what progress have been made so far in implementing the recommendations of the Committee. She was informed by the Secretary, I.B.C.C Mr. Muhammad Ramzan Achakzai that a meeting was held on 16th and 17th December, 2013 in Lahore under the forum of I.B.C.C. One of the agenda items was correction of the said mistakes and recommendations of this Committee. He further added that a Sub‐Committee has been constituted to consider each point in details. The Chairperson mentioned that it means the same English book is still being taught with all the mistakes. She stressed that prompt and immediate action should be taken.

7. Senator Saeeda Iqbal raised a question about functions of I.B.C.C apart from Equivalence Certification. The Secretary IBCC explained the functions of IBCC. He mentioned that basically IBCC coordinates with all the Examination Boards, Textbook Board Bureaus and Bureaus of Curriculum. He stated that all these organizations are members of I.B.C.C and meet quarterly to discuss academic and other allied matters. He said that Equivalence Certification is another responsibility assigned to the I.B.C.C. Moreover, he mentioned that certificates authentication of those going abroad is also responsibility of the I.B.C.C. Responding to the question raised by Senator Saeeda Iqbal regarding deduction of marks from A‐Levels/O‐ Levels students at the time of Equivalence, he negated the perception that marks are being deducted in the case of such students. He highlighted that mechanism employed for Equivalence is based on standardized percentiles and not actual marks.

8. Raising the issue of fake degrees, Senator Kalsoom Perveen stated that such a practice has greatly damaged politicians. She mentioned that individuals presented their Madrassa certificates or certificates of refresher courses undertaken in foreign institutions which were cleared by I.B.C.C and the Election Commission also accepted them. People with such certificates contested elections but the issue is still haunting us. She mentioned that these individuals came with a heavy mandate of the public yet the Courts disqualified some individuals forever from contesting elections and some were asked to contest next elections. She reiterated that there are at least 147 cases which are pending in the courts of law. Had such issue been identified in the initial days, they would not have gone through the Election process in the first pl a ce.

9. The Chairperson seconded the observations made by Senator Kalsoom Perveen and added that the issues of fake degrees of politicians is flashed

59 in the News on TV screens but the people at the back who facilitated issuance of fake degrees remain ignored. She strongly remarked that on first instance why such institutions are issued NOCs and allowed to flourish until the matter reaches a grave intensity. She asked as to why the unaccredited institutions are being allowed to flourish. She further asked that as to why such institutions or people are not penalised who facilitate this process. She stated that when she was submitting her nomination papers to the Election Commission, a representative of the I.B.C.C was there. She highlighted that the appropriate time to challenge an applicant’s degree is the time of submitting nomination papers and decision as to whether a degree is authentic or n ot, should be made at that time.

10. The Secretary, I.B.C.C, replied that as far as rules and regulations are concerned, the I.B.C.C has no concern with it and the rules are framed by ECP. If I.B.C.C is asked to submit a Matriculation Certificate of someone the IBCC does provide that. The Secretary, I.B.C.C stated that it dates back to mid‐1980’s that I.B.C.C in collaboration with Higher Education Commission and Curriculum Wing recognized Tanzeem‐ul‐Madaaris, Wafaq‐ul‐Madaaris and Rabitat‐ul‐Madaaris and some other Mardrassas. Certificates were issued only by Wafaq and Tanzeem. This certification had an acceptable pattern and it was not that any Madrassa could issue such certificates. At this point Senator Kalsoom Perveen questioned questioned the rule that if someone gets such a certificate, and appears in examination of a particular organization which upon passing the test, accredits the degree and that if an individual have all the required educational abilities but lack a paper of degree, he is permitted to appear in such an examination and after passing the test gets a certificate. The Secretary IBCC affirmed her point of view and she was informed that such certificates are submitted in IBCC and then the individual is to appear in I.B.C.C exam in three subjects which includes Urdu, English and Pakistan Studies and only after passing these subjects, the Matriculation Equivalent Certificate is issued. Shahdat‐ul‐Sania Aama is Matric and Shadat‐ul‐Sania Khaasa is Intermediate Level. In 2002, it was not the I.B.C.C who had issued Equivalence Certificates but a Supreme Court bench in Lahore allowed the individuals to contest elections despite compulsory subjects not being cleared.

11. The Chairperson questioned as to when the C.C.I Secretariat will be formed. In response to the question of the Honorable Chairperson, Additional Secretary, I.P.C remarked that in 2008, I.P.C was made a full‐fledged Ministry and as its function was Inter‐Provincial Coordination, the Prime Minister declared it as Secretariat of C.C.I as well. He further mentioned that C.C.I has the issue of space and the matter has been taken up with the Cabinet Division. He stated that Works Division is constructing a new building and the C.C.I has requested for one floor of the building for establishing C.C.I Secretariat.

12. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmad Khawaja inquired about the mechanism of bringing up an issue to the C.C.I. Senior J.S., I.P.C/C.C.I explained that the Articles 153, 154, 155 and 157 of the Constitution are relevant. He stated that within seven days after every meeting of the C.C.I, the minutes of the meeting are circulated among the members and the decisions are conveyed to concerned Secretaries for implementation. Moreover he mentioned that alongwith it, Secretary C.C.I writes a

60 letter to the Provincial Secretaries and asks for any item to be included as agenda item in the next meeting of the C.C.I which is required to be held within 90 days. He mentioned that according to the rules of C.C.I, Schedule II and Schedule III prescribe that stakeholders should be consulted and the summary should be of two pages accompanied by Annexure and when the summary is received it is examined to see as to whether or not it relates to Articles of Constitution and Part II of Federal Legislative List. Finally the summary is moved on to the Prime Minister.

13. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmad Khawaja pointed out two current issues regarding Federal Legislative List which are the appointment of Chief Executives of 68 State Owned Enterprises and privatization of 34 such units. He questioned as to what role the C.C.I has played in addressing these issues. While referring to a press report he stated that Cabinet Secretaries’ level Committee has been formed to short‐ list 68 entities whose heads are to be appointed. He further questioned as to whether the issue of Privatization of PIA would be taken up in the next meeting of the C.C.I. He was informed that Privatization Commission cannot privatize an entity without the approval of the Council of Common Interests. Referring to Article 154 (1) of the Constitution, he stated that the issue of Policy formulation definitely comes to the C.C.I while appointment of Chief Executives is an administrative function. The Prime Minister has formed a Commission for the appointment of Chief Executives of State‐Owned Enterprises. He stated that Privatization Plan was approved by C.C.I in 2006 which included PIA and Railways etc. He further mentioned that Privatization Division has the mandate given by the C.C.I to proceed with the privatization. However any change in Policy contrary to the previously approved decisions of the C.C.I will definitely be brought to the C.C.I. He further elaborated that if there comes anything new, the C.C.I can take up the issue, or a province or a stakeholder can bring an issue into the notice of C.C.I. Responding to the question of appointment of Heads of State Owned enterprises, he stated that Federal Cabinet in 2005 had decided that the Managing Directors and Heads of autonomous organizations are to be appointed by the Prime Minister. He added that since the Cabinet decision, the appointment of heads of State Owned Enterprises is handled by Establishment Division and not the C.C.I. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmad Khawaja remarked that he had moved a Resolution in Senate that appointment of the Chief Executives of the State Owned Enterprises comes under Article 154 of Constitution a nd the House should take up the said matter.

14. Senator Kalsoom Perveen seconded the views expressed by Senator Dr. Karim Ahmad Khawaja and she further elaborated that in first instance the Privatization plan should be approved by the Cabinet and then debated in the House after which if there is any clash, the matter should be referred to the C.C.I. She added that it is the duty of the Parliament to address the issue of Privatization. She agreed that a committee has been formed under the Chairmanship of the Prime Minister who will appoint the heads of the State Owned Enterprises. The A.S., I.P.C. assured that observations of the Committee will be communicated to the Privatization Mini s try.

15. The Additional Secretary, Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation gave a detailed briefing on the working and performance of the P.T.D.C to the

61 Committee. He stated that P.T.D.C was established in 1970 as a Public Limited Company under the Companies Ordinance 1984 and was placed at Federal level under the Ministry of Tourism. Referring to the management structure, he stated that P.T.D.C has a Board of Directors headed by a Federal Minister while the day to day operations are headed by a Managing Director. He added that Secretary of the Ministry of I.P.C acts as Ex‐Officio Vice Chairman of the Board of Directors of P.T.D.C. He mentioned that all the provinces including Azad Kahsmir and Gilgit‐Baltistan are represented in the Board of Directors through the Chief Secretaries as well as Secretaries Tourism. He indicated that P.T.D.C has subsidiary companies as well which includes Associated Hotels Pakistan and P.T.D.C Motels. Elaborating the functions of P.T.D.C he stated that the purpose of P.T.D.C was to promote Tourism in the country. He further stated that in 1970’s P.T.D.C decided to establish small motels across Pakistan and that P.T.D.C is also running a bus service from Islamabad to Naran and Gilgit Baltistan and added that apart from this, P.T.D.C offers tourism packages for students as well. However in extreme winter some of the motels are closed because visitors do not visit there. At this point the Chairperson asked as to what procedure is there in case tourists want to go to see snowfall. The Additional Secretary, P.T.D.C remarked that P.T.D.C maintains a list of motels for alternate arrangements.

16. Senator Dr. Karim Ahmad Khawaja raised the issue of absence of bus service from Sindh Border despite the fact that Sindh shares its border with India and he indicated that there are several districts in Sindh which are demographically populated by Hindus. Moreover referring to the religious tours for Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists, he indicated that Hinglaj in Balochistan is a sacred site for Hindus and questioned as to why no such bus service has been started from Karachi to Hinglaj. The Additional Secretary, P.T.D.C. replied that after the 18th Amendment, Tourism as a subject stands devolved to the provinces. P.T.D.C was kept partly with the Ministry of I.P.C and was decided to be transferred later on to the provinces. The Additional Secretary, P.T.D.C admitted the need for such a bus service but he mentioned that for such a bus service between India and Pakistan, Foreign Office needs to be taken into confidence. The Senator was assured that the feasibility of a bus service there will be looked into and if the service is economically feasible and profitable, then the Province of Sindh will be consulted and a proposal will be forwarded in this regard.

17. The Additional Secretary, P.T.D.C. informed the Committee that after 18th Amendment negotiations were conducted with the Provinces and the Board of Directors decided that management of the assets be given to the provinces. He indicated that P.T.D.C is a registered Company and to liquidate it, a legal mechanism needs to be followed. He added that the employees raised the issue that Federal level employees may not be given to Provinces. He outlined that currently P.T.D.C is in a financial crunch and the salaries of the people are due since many months, the court ordered that till the salaries of the employees are not paid, no further progress can be made regarding Devolution process. Referring to the last meeting of the P.T.D.C Board he stated that it was decided that the assets located in the relevant province shall be devolved to the concerned province. He further stated that several

62 processes are taking place at the federal level, and due to litigation of certain matters the progress is slow. He mentioned that it was decided that on the pattern of successor entity, Pakistan Tourism Board will be established to deal with issues at the Federal level. He added that the Board shall be headed by a Federal Minister and will comprise of a Board of Directors. He further stated that the list has been sent t o the P ri me Minister and the approval is in process.

18. The Chairperson questioned as to why only the management and not the possession is being transferred to provinces. She was informed that that possession can be handed over after liquidation which is a lengthy process and indicated that devolution prior to liquidations stands in violation of the Companies’ Ordinance 1984. Therefore with consent of the provinces, management was entrusted t o th e provinces.

19. Senator Kalsoom Perveen raised the issue of absence of Tourism Corporation in Baluchistan. She questioned as to why there is so much litigation and complexities in devolution process. She further added that if this is the state of affairs, these issues cannot be solved within next 10 years. She mentioned that the salaries of the employees have not been paid, nor the matters of the services and retirements of the employees have been looked into. She remarked that P.T.D.C is hanging in the middle and may not decide anything until it shifts to one side. She highlighted that at the time of 18th Amendment, P.T.D.C did not consider any need for legal advice despite the fact that such a big amendment was underway. She remarked that the role of bureaucracy was very negative and certain things were divided haphazardly. She highlighted that P.T.D.C has not paid salaries to its employees and the liabilities stand at Rs 930 million. She stated that now we are left with the option to sell things but she questioned as to what is the mechanism of the Board to do so. She inquired about the position of tourism in pre and post devolution period. She was informed that after the 18th Amendment the promotional activities of the P.T.D.C were stopped and the management of the Hotels was decided to be entrusted to the provinces. He further added that after assessment of their value and resolution of legal issues, the ownership of these assets would also be transferred to the concerned provinces. He stated that due to drop in revenues from tourism due to terrorism and appointment of illegal employees in previous government, the issue of salaries has arisen.

20. The Chairperson highlighted that despite the security issues, outdated infrastructure and improper roads, people visit places like Kalam and Swat. She added that since last several years in Ramzan there is huge rush in Kalam and this situation will continue for at least four or five years more. She was informed that during seasons it becomes difficult to rent a room there. At this point Senator Saeeda Iqbal indicated that whatever infrastructure is there in Kalam it is not developed by Tourism Corporation. She further added that the Hindus and Christians complain that their churches and temples are not shown to the tourists. She suggested that it must be facilitated. The Additional Secretary, P.T.D.C seconded her view and informed the committee that religious Tourism will be incorporated in Pakistan Tourism Board.

63 21. The Committee was informed that the P.T.D.C has proposed the mechanism for paying the salaries and liabilities of P.T.D.C and added that one of the P.T.D.C assets in ICT which includes Daman‐e‐Koh, Jaltrang and Rawal Lake should be mortgaged or entered in a joint venture or sold to raise fund. The Finance Ministry advised the Prime Minister regarding the non‐availability of funds and recommended the option of Joint venture. At this point Senator Kalsoom Perveen clearly rejected the option of selling the property of P.T.D.C in Islamabad. She was informed that when this summary was sent to the Prime Minister, it was advised that first CDA should be consulted regarding possibility of joint venture but the CDA responded that these locations are meant for tourism and can neither be sold, mortgaged nor entered into joint ventures. Senator Kalsoom Perveen indicated that the issue with the CDA can be resolved through Standing Committee on Cabinet Secretariat and Capital Administration and Development. The property can be converted into a profitable venture. Regarding the non‐payment of salaries of the employees the Committee was informed that in post 9/11 scenario, international tourism almost diminished and almost 80% of the motels in Chitral, and Gilgit‐ Baltistan were closed. He further added that military operation in Swat, floods in the region and the current law and order situation negatively affected Tourism. Thus all the motels are going into losses now. Apart from this he indicated that among four motels of P.T.D.C, 3 motels have been privatized which resulted in decline of sources of revenue from four to one. He further mentioned that motels in far‐flung areas were closed during the winter but the employees were there and the liabilities were accrued. The Chairperson inquired about the final decision in this regard. She was informed that as per decision of the previous meeting of the Board, an assessment is to be made regarding assets which will be transferred to the provinces and liabilities to be paid by the provinces. It was mentioned that the process is underway through Chief Secretaries, DCO’s have completed the assessment and 70% of the valuation has been completed. Senator Kalsoom Perveen recommended that the details of the property procured or leased should be sent to the Committee.

22. Taking strong notice of the closure of office of Rawalpindi and Islamabad Sports Journalists Association (RISJA), by the Pakistan Sports Board Director, she mentioned that she contacted the concerned Director General and asked him to resolve the matter but even after a passage of one month the matter has not been resolved. She mentioned that journalists are playing an active role in promotion of Sports in the country and for that they should be facilitated. Senator Kalsoom Perveen remarked that she has complete information about the fake Sports Federations in the country. She mentioned that she has several times contacted the Director General, Pakistan Sports Board to address an issue of a player from Baluchistan and except for once he was not found available and thus the matter is still pending. She took a strong exception to the behavior of the said Director, Syed Hamza Gillani and requested the Chairperson to call him in a meeting of Standing Committee on I.P.C. The Secretary, IPC mentioned that since he has taken charge as Secretary, he had just two meetings with the concerned DG. He requested the Committee to call the meeting after 11th January 2014, because in the first week of January he has scheduled a meeting with Pakistan Olympics Association and various sports federations. He assured the Committee that the matter will be addressed and

64 explained in detail in the upcoming meeting of the Committee. The Chairperson directed that the Director General, Pakistan Sports Board, Mr. Amir Hamza Gillani should appear before the Committee in the next meeting.

23. Next, the Committee was briefed about the working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council, P.V.M.C. The President of the Council stated that P.V.M.C was established in 1999 under an Act of the Parliament with a mandate to standardize basic and post‐graduate education in veterinary sciences and animal husbandry, to regulate veterinary practices through regulation, licensing and implementation of code of ethics and conduct among veterinary practitioners. He mentioned that P.V.M.C Secretariat is established in Islamabad and the Council comprises of 19 members and from amongst the members, President and Vice‐ President are elected for a four year term. The Secretariat comprises of 34 employees including President and Vice President. At this point Senator Kalsoom Perveen questioned as to whether or not all provinces are represented or not in the recruitment of the employees. He informed the Committee that as such there is no provincial quota but almost all the provinces are represented. Senator Saeeda Iqbal expressed annoyance at non‐representation of FATA and recommended that FATA must be represented in Secretariat. She was informed that for running day‐to‐day operations of the Council, a 7 member Executive Committee is elected from amongst the members of the Council. Referring to the offices of P.V.M.C it was stated that a camp office is in Lahore while liaison offices are located at Quetta, Hyderabad and Peshawar. Moreover he stated that apart from Executive Committee there are several other Committees which work in relevant areas. He mentioned that Accreditation and Equivalence Committee visits the degree awarding institutions and accredits them and apart from them the Curriculum and Syllabi Committee ensures uniform syllabi in all veterinary institutions. The Curriculum is reviewed after every five years. Outlining the mechanism of the accreditation, he stated that P.V.M.C has standardized parameters for accreditation which includes financial position, physical facilities and equipment and qualifications of the faculty of the degree ‐ award ing institutions on the basis of which degrees are accredited.

24. The Chairperson on a query was informed that Curriculum Committee of P.V.M.C works in collaboration with HEC and observes international developments to update the syllabus. Moreover the universities are allowed 10% of credit hours to teach according to local requirements. Senator Kalsoom Perveen recommended that though international standards must be maintained but the syllabus must be tailored according to the local requirements and local issues. The Chairperson highlighted that people have reservations regarding the food given to the animals particularly poultry and more importantly the way they are treated and kept. Several times even in media this issue is highlighted that poultry/chicken is a source of many diseases. She questioned as to what is the role of P.V.M.C in addressing this issue. Senator Saeeda Iqbal seconded her views and asked as to how a chicken is raised in 15 days. It was clarified that as such P.V.M.C has no regulatory role. However he mentioned that this breed is developed through a process of genetic breeding and the feed is prepared on highly scientific grounds. The Chairperson further raised a question as to whether any code of ethics is being

65 followed regarding poultry farming or not. She was told that Compound Feed Act has been introduced in Punjab which will later on be implemented in rest of the Provinces. Senator Kalsoom Perveen termed it an important issue and requested the Chairp er son th at the issue should be discussed in detail in a separate meeting.

25. The Committee made the following recommendations:‐

i. For Islamiat and Pakistan Studies, a uniform curriculum should be implemented throughout the country and it must be approved by the Council of Common Interest. ii. Concept of right man for the right job should be adopted for curriculum needs of the country and the teachers of the relevant level should be taken in consideration for writing the textbooks. iii. The syllabi of compulsory subjects should be reduced. iv. There should be a check on what is being taught in private schools, madrassas and missionary institutions. v. English books of class 9th and 10 should be cleared of mistakes. vi. In fake degree cases, action must be taken against those institutions and individuals who facilitate and indulge in this process. vii. Privatization plan should be approved by Cabinet first and then debated in the House. If there is any clash, only then the matter can be referred to the C.C.I. viii. A feasibility study of bus service between Sindh and India should be undertaken and for the purpose Foreign Office shou ld be taken into confidence. ix. The process of transfer of assets from PTDC to the Provinces should be expedited. x. The fate of the PTDC should be decided immediately and the issue of non‐payment of salaries of PTDC employees should be addressed in first instance. xi. The property of PTDC must not be sold for fund raising. xii. PTDC should enter into a joint venture in any of three properties of PTDC located in ICT. xiii. The sacred sites of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians for t ourism purposes should be facilitated. xiv. The details of the property procured or leased by PTDC should be provided to the Committee. xv. Sports journalists must be facilitated in performing their duties. xvi. FATA must be given rep resentation in the P akistan Veterinary Medical Council Secretariat. xvii. Alongwith international standards, Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council should tailor the syllabus according to the local issues.

26. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

66 FARZANA KHAN, SENATOR FARAH AQIL,

Secretary, Senate Standing Committee Chairperson, on Inter‐Provincial Coordination/Director, Interpretation. Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination.

SENATE SECRETARIAT

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 31st JANUARY, 2014 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 31st January, 2014 at 10:00 a.m. in Committee Room No.4, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The a gen da before the Committee was as under:‐

i. Comprehensive briefing on working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council (P.V.M.C), Islamabad. ii. Any other item with the permission of the Chair.

3. The following members of the Committee attended the meeting:‐

67 i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Suriya Amiruddin Member iii. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member iv. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali Member v. Senator Sardar Zulfiqar Khan Khosa Member

4. The meeting commenced with the recitation from Holy Quran by Senator Haji Ghulam Ali.

5. The Committee was given a detailed presentation on working and performance of Pakistan Veterinary Medical Council. The Committee was informed that the P.V.M.C was established in 1999 under an Act of the Parliament with a mandate to standardize basic and post‐graduate education in veterinary sciences and animal husbandry, to regulate veterinary practices through regulation, licensing and implementation of code of ethics and conduct among veterinary practitioners. Dr. Muhammad Arshad, President of P.V.M.C stated that P.V.M.C is the only organization to have constructed its building with own resources. He outlined the hierarchy of the Council and mentioned that it comprises of 4 Assistant Directors. The Chairperson inquired about the process of appointment of these Assistant Directors are appointed. She was informed that P.V.M.C is an autonomous body and recruitment is done through advertising in the newspapers. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal questioned as to whether or not these jobs are advertised in local newspapers as well. The President of P.V.M.C., Dr. Muhammad Arshad informed her that these posts are advertised in all local newspapers including those of Gilgit‐Baltistan.

6. The Committee was further briefed on the accreditation parameters laid down by the Council which include the financial position, physical facilities, library and learning resources, faculty, and research programmes of the degree‐ awarding institutions. The President of P.V.M.C. informed the Committee that Accreditation and Equivalence Committee of P.V.M.C which consists of expert professors has been entrusted with the task of accreditation. The A & E Committee visits the Institutions and inspects the physical facilities there. He briefed the Committee on non‐accreditation issue of several Institutions and provided a list of accredited and non‐accredited Universities. He stated that four Institutions which included Islamia University Bahawalpur, Bahauddin Zakariya University Multan, University of Poonch AJ&K and Baqai College of Vetinary Sciences Karachi were not accredited universities who initiated courses without being accredited. At this point, the Chairperson inquired about any action taken in this regard so for against such institutions by the Council by the raised the question as to what actions have been taken so far against such institutions. She was informed that P.V.M.C. has no such mandate but the P.V.M.C. fulfilled its responsibility by writing to the Government and advertising through the newspapers. The President P.V.M.C further added that P.V.M.C. offers crash programmes for students who have studied at these institutions and they are examined at the end of the course. On passing the tests, their degrees are accredited.

68 7. The Committee was informed about the DVM Program which is a 5 years course comprising 10 semesters. The 10th Semester is an internship/House‐ Job where such students work in an organization or dairy farm so that they are exposed to working in government hospitals and allied organizations. The Committee was informed that currently, 6000 D VMs a r e registered in Pakistan.

8. The Committee was informed about the financial position of the Council. The sources of funds are grants by the government and self‐generated finances. Though the Council was established in 1999, except for two years, it has always been in deficit. The President of P.V.M.C added that despite such constraints, P.V.M.C has purchased a plot with its own resources to establish P.V.M.C Secretariat and a training center for the hired staff. Moreover it was added that P.V.M.C has signed an MOU with HEC for curriculum revision. The Deans of the universities, Subject specialists and HEC jointly carry out such exercise after every three years to revis e the s yll abi being taught at the universities.

9. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal raised the issue of how chickens are being raised in 15 days. She mentioned that there are large stakeholders involved and there is no check and balance over feeding and raising the poultry. She was informed that it is a misconception in the minds of the public that these chickens are raised in 15 days. The President P.V.M.C highlighted that such birds are raised in 6 to 7 weeks through scientifically prepared food and in a controlled environment. At this point, Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal questioned as to why such unnatural breeding is considered necessary. The P.V.M.C President informed her that this breeding is not unnatural and the Committee may visit any of the sites where production and raising of the poultry is being carried out. He assured the Committee that P.V.M.C will arrange a visit for the Committee for such an inspection and the Committee will be briefed in detail. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal questioned about the issue of treatment of pets and highlighted that the cost of such a treatment is very high and there are no such vaccination facilities available. She was informed that pets like dogs may suffer from communicable diseases and they must be vaccinated. Several countries have the facilities where such pets are admitted and after treatment they can be kept at houses. However, P.V.M.C. has no such facilities and funds to start a vaccination campaign as P.V.M.C is unable even to pay for the salaries of its employees.

10. The Chairperson questioned as to why there is no check and balance being exercised over slaughter‐houses. She was informed that this is the responsibility of the District Council and Town Committee which have laid down a procedure for the said process and according to it only that meat should be purchased which is stamped. The Committee was informed that Punjab Government has set an example by allowing international agencies to supervise the process and thus under the supervision of the international agencies it has started exporting meat. At this point, Senator Sardar Zulfiqar Khan Khosa stated that animals’ depletion is being carried out very rapidly in Punjab and very unfair treatment is being meted out to animals. The Chairperson seconded his views and added that even our religion emphasizes upon fair treatment with animals. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal also endorsed her statement and stressed upon the need for raising the

69 livestock. The Chairperson suggested that even Prime Minister Youth Loan Scheme maybe utilized for encouraging Livestock Farming. Senator Sardar Zulfiqar Khan Khosa endorsed her recommendation and added that it can only be done by delaying payback period for the return of the loans. As regards the visit to Lahore to inspect the Poultry production site, it was decided that the visit should be arranged in third week of February this year.

10. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN, SENATOR FARAH AQIL, Secretary, Senate Standing Committee Chairperson, on Inter‐Provincial Senate Standing Committee on Coordination/Director, Interpretation. Inter‐Provincial Coordination.

70 SENATE SECRETARIAT

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 24th FEBRUARY, 2014 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 24th February, 2014 at 10:30 a.m. in Committee Room No.4, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The agenda before the Committee was as under:‐

i. Follow‐up of Recommendations of last two meetings and any concrete steps taken by the Ministry so far and also report on the issue between Pakistan Sports Board and Rawalpindi and Islamabad Sports Journalists Association as committed by Secretary IPC in the second last meeting of the Committee. ii. Detailed briefing/discussion on Gover nment’s Sports Policy and on the working/performance of Pakistan Sports Board. iii. Steps taken by the Ministry of IPC to resolve the issue between International Olympics Association and Government‐recognized Pakistan Olympic Association (POA). iv. Any other item with the permission of the Chair.

3. Th e following Members of the C o mmittee attended the meeting:‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Saeeda Iqbal Membe r iii. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali Member iv. Senator Saleem H. Mandviw alla Member v. Senator Suriya Amiruddin Member vi. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq Member

4. The meeting started with the recitation of the Holy Quran by Senator Haji Ghulam Ali. The Chairperson welcomed the members and officers of the Ministry and attached departments. At the outset of the meeting, is in done and stated that she herself will visit the P.S.B to inspect the facility for their work at the P.S.B the Chairperson enquired about the implementation on Recommendations of the Committee as regards to the issue between Pakistan Sports Board and Rawalpindi and Islamabad Sports Journalists Association. She stated that journalists are being denied access to the Media Cell at Pakistan Sports Board for they reported the mismanagement and misappropriations in the Sports Board. She mentioned that journalists are the stakeholders in Sports promotion and they must be given access to the Media Cell at Pakistan Sports Board and for the purpose the Committee had given its recommendation that the journalists should be given access to the Media

71 Cell in Pakistan Sports Board but there has been no appropriate response as yet access. The D.G Sports, Dr. Akhtar Nawaz Ganjera replied that Media Centre is fundamental to promotion of the Sports and termed journalists as eyes and ears of the public. However, he added that Media Cell is under process of upgradation in order to bring it at par with international level and to provide journalists with all the latest facilities. Senator Saeeda Iqbal remarked that the Journalists must be given some space until the upgradation. The Chairperson seconded her view. The D.G Sports assured the Committee that the journalists will be given the facility for coverage .

5. The Chairperson asked the Ministry to update the Committee regarding the rationalization of Sports Federations as recommended by the Committee. The D.G Sports informed the Committee that there are 39 Sports Federations and a meeting of the stakeholders was called by the Secretary, I.P.C to chart the way forward. He mentioned that a fact‐finding mission is working on data collection to ascertain the status of the Federations. However he added that some of the cases as regards to these Federations are in the Court which has hampered the Pakistan Sports Board from taking actions against such Federations for the time being.

6. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali stated that many problems in Pakistan are due to groupings in the departments. These groups have created an environment in the country which has led to the sorry state of Sports affairs in Pakistan. He highlighted that the issues of cases pending in Courts is common in all provinces. He held the ministry of Sports responsible for decline of sports in Pakistan. He stated that the Financial year is about to end yet no funds have been granted to any Sports Federation. Senator Saeeda Iqbal seconded his views and added that the decision of the Courts or orders of the Government are one and the same thing. She added that if Government has framed a policy, it must be implemented. She remarked that litigation of disputes in the Court is neither in interest of the Government nor the field of sports. The Chairperson remarked that those Federations which were not genuine might have resorted to courts. The Legal Advisor, Pakistan Sports Board informed the Committee that almost every matter relating to Sports is under judicial scrutiny in different High Courts of Pakistan. The Supreme Court upheld the Sports Policy but while it is being implemented, the stakeholders resort to Courts. Moreover, he mentioned that matters related to the Olympics have been taken into the Courts, even the Sports Development Control Ordinance of the Pakistan Sports Board has been challenged in the Court on the ground that enforcement of Sports Policy is a subject of Provinces and that Federal Government has no authority to enforce the Sports Policy. He appreciated the initiative of the current Secretary I.P.C to have moved a summary to the Prime Minister to introduce major changes which include restructuring of the Sports Board, review of the Sports Policy, legal instruments and to improve the negotiation channels with local and international organizations. He added that Sports Board is unable to give funds to any party when all the parties are in conflict and have resorted to Courts. He added that for this purpose, a fact‐finding mission has been initiated to determine which Federations exist on ground and possess infrastructure at club level, provincial level or national

72 level and to ascertain their contributions for the Sports. He added that if a Federation is found to be genuine and contributing to sports, then Funds should be given to that particular Federation. He stated that fact‐finding will take time to be complet ed.

7. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali remarked as to whether funds were not given in the past to such Federations. He suggested that the funds should be given to those Federations, which accede to Pakistan’s Sports Policy, 2005 and have accepted the decision of the Government, the Supreme Court and Pakistan Sports Boards. These Sorts Federations are considered genuine by Pakistan Sports Board and only these should be given funds. He added that Sports Board has the discretion to release funds to such Federations. He emphasized that Pakistan Sports Board should revive Sports culture in terror‐affected areas like Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The Chairperson endorsed his views.

8. Senator Saeeda Iqbal appreciated the recommendations of the Secretary, however, as regards to the Summary being moved to the Prime Minister, she added that before the Prime Minister the issue should be resolved through the concerned Minister as the schedule of Prime Minister is too busy. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali highlighted that Sports policy was devised in 2005 and till now it has not been implemented due to the said intra‐departmental conflicts. The Legal Advisor to Pakistan Sports Board added that under the paragraph 6 of National Sports Policy, Pakistan Sports Board can constitute a forum/tribunal to address the said issues without resorting to Court. If the Committee supports it, the matter as regards to the cases of the Federations can be resolved through the internal tribunal. The Secretary I.P.C further stated that he will firmly implement Pakistan’s Sports Policy, 2005 in letter and spirit. The said Policy, he said has already been endorsed by the august Supreme Court of Pakistan.

9. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla asked as to what are the views of the Secretary I.P.C regarding the performance of the I.P.C and the Sports Board. The Secretary remarked that the performance of Pakistan Sports Board has not been good. He stated that Clubs are to be registered with Districts Sports Board and Pakistan Sports Board, who should ascertain as to who owns the club and thus extend the patronage. He further added that Clubs form the Associations and Federations which are to be affiliated with the Pakistan Sports Board and international associations. He mentioned that Federations are to be affiliated with and not licensed by Pakistan Sports Board. He stated that some Federations have evolved by themselves without being subjected to any regulations. He informed the Committee that Federations are owned by powerful individuals who are never questio n ed as to what they have done for the said Federations as in‐charge.

10. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla questioned as to what is the criteria for affiliation with Sports Board. He was informed that the criteria for affiliation includes that the Federations under consideration should have arranged competitions at different levels, performance of the said Federations is monitored and then Sports Board affiliates it for the purpose to provide funds for sports, to build linkages with local and international federations and to allow them to go for

73 competitions and training outside the country. He added that for the purpose of visa NOC must be taken from Pakistan Sports Board. The Committee was informed that after participation in the international competitions, the said Federations are asked to submit a Performance Evaluation Report. It was added that for the purpose they do not need a license but affiliation. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali questioned as to who has issued NOC to Federations who participated in international events this year as not a single Sports Federations took NOC from P.S.B. He added that the Federations do not even consider the Pakistan Sports Board’s authority and he further asked to what actions have been taken against such Federations. He reiterated that no Sports Federation should be allowed to proceed abroad for participation in international competitions without taking NOC from P.S.B. It is the prime duty of institutions to ensure compliance of rules and regulations.

11. The Secretary informed the Committee that a policy was framed in 2005 under which Federation office bearers could serve two terms of four years only. He added that the said Policy was challenged and added that the said policy has not been implemented till now. The Chairperson remarked as to why the policy is not being implemented and questioned as to whether the policy was flawed. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali remarked that the Policy was framed with the consensus of the stakeholde rs.

12. The Chairperson questioned as to whether Pakistan Olympics Association is an autonomous body and not affiliated with Pakistan Sports Board. The Secretary informed the Committee that the said Association has to work in collaboration with the Pakistan Sports Board regardless of who heads it. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq added that instead of Institutions the individuals are getting stronger and as a result sports are being affected. She added that such individuals have become so strong that they do not consider the authority of anybody. Due to weakness of P.S.B, the Sports Policy, 2005 was not implemented which created conflicts. Moreover she stated that due to lingering conflicts, a bad name is being created for Pakistan abroad. She informed the Committee regarding the decision of the Apex Court that no office bearer can be elected for a third term. She suggested that dia l ogue b e held with these stakeholders to rectify the matter.

13. The Secretary I.P.C assured the Committee that previously Sports Policy was not implemented but now it will be implemented. He further added that there is an impression in International Olympics Associations that Pakistan Government is meddling in the affairs of the Sports bodies. He informed the Committee that in such a situation sanctions might be imposed on Pakistan. The Chairperson asked if compliance was necessary as regards to the conditions of the International Olympics Association. She was informed that compliance is necessary in the interest of Pakistan and instead of raising new disputes there is a need to resolve the current disputes by remaining within the law. She stressed that Pakistan Sports Policy, 2005 and Superior Courts decisions should be kept in view while discussing crucial matters with International Olympic Association. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali remarked that Policy of the Government is to be followed and not the dictation of the International Olympics Association. He added that the Charter of International Olympics Association itself does not allow for more than two terms.

74 He termed it a matter of national honor and advocated a bold stance on the issue with International Olympics Association. Moreover he questioned as to under what rule two Directors General have been appointed simultaneously. The Secretary informed the Committee that under the Rules of Business, there must be one D.G.

14. The Secretary I.P.C highlighted that the election of a Sports Federation is to be overseen by Pakistan Sports Board as an Observer to ascertain the genuineness of the elections. He stated that this procedure is not being followed. Moreover he added that no one can hold office for more than 8 years but this has not been adhered to. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali recommended that action must be taken to enforce this Policy. The Chairperson seconded his views and added that laws are there but they are not implemented.

15. The Secretary I.P.C assured the Committee that the said Policy will be implemented. He added that it has been reported that International Olympics Associations will impose sanctions on Pakistan if the Government enforces the decision. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali mentioned that Lt. Gen. (Retd) Syed Arif has written a letter to the International Olympics Association against the Committee and has alleged the Committee of meddling in the affairs of the Sports Federations. The Secretary recommended that the performance, progress and working of these Associations needs to be reviewed to ascertain whether any progress has been made or not. The Secretary I.P.C added that a summary has been moved to the Prime Minister and action will be initiated against Federations which are not genuine and after probing into the misappropriation, action will be taken. The D.G Sports assured that the decision of the Government and the Standing Committee will be impleme nted.

16. The Chairperson stated that Sports events in Government schools are no more there and they need to be revived. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali endorsed her views and recommended that Sports competitions should be initiated at school level. The Chairperson also raised the issue as to why Pakistan Hockey team was not allowed to participate in Azlaan Shah Cup. She was informed that funds were not given for Pakistan team to participate in the said event. The Legal Advisor P.S.B informed that Pakistan Hockey Federation held its elections without inviting any observer from Pakistan Sports Board. The Chairperson declared it a matter of disappointment for the players and the Public. She also stated that cases of misappropriations were reported in tenure of the former D.G and there were some cases against the said D.G in the NAB as well. She particularly mentioned the renovation of the swimming pool, unauthorized expenditure of Rs.110.6 million for the National Games held in June 2013, Pakistan Inter‐Board Sports 2012 Gala and Rupees two million corruption in the PM Festival 2012. The Secretary I.P.C stated that the late D.G Sports was an honest man and worked honestly for Sports promotion. He further requested the Committee to pray for the departed Soul.

17. The Chairperson questioned as to why some of the Staff members of the Sports Board have not been paid salaries for several months. She was informed that salaries have been paid to all of the employees. However some of the staff

75 belonged to an NGO named Pakistan Sports Trust and it was the responsibility of NST and not the Sports Board to pay salaries to the employees of NST.

18. Senator Suriya Amiruddin questioned as what to has been done for promotion of sports in Balochistan. She was informed that Sports has been devolved to Baluchistan Government. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla asked about the total budget of the Sports Board. He was informed that the total budget of the Sports Board is Rs. 997 million out of which 75% is spent on salaries and management while 2 5 % is spent on t he promotion of Sport s.

19. The Committee made the following unanimous recommendations/d e cisions.

I. A Sub‐Committee of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐ Provincial Coordination was constituted with the following composition and T.O.R’s :‐

The Composition of the Sub‐Commit t ee:

Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla Convener

Senator Kulsoom Parveen Member

Senator Suriya Amiruddin Member

T.O.R’s of the Sub‐Committee: The Sub‐Committee will deliberate on the following issues/matters and submit its Report and recommendations to the Standing Committee:

i. Further discussion on recommendations made by the Standing Committee on I.P.C in its meeting dated 24‐02‐2014.

ii. To examine the various Sports Federations in the country to differentiate between Genuine and Fake Sports Federations in the country.

iii. To examine the implementation status of Sports Policy of Pakistan, 2005.

iv. Reviewing performance of Pakistan Sports Board.

The meeting of the said Sub‐Committee was scheduled for 26‐02‐ 2014.

76 I. The Compliant Sports Federations of the Sports Policy 2005 should not be placed at par with Non‐Compliants and Grant‐in‐aid should be rewarded to them immediately in order to avoid further damage to Sports in Pakistan. II. Perpetual non‐observance of the Sports Policy 2005 by some Sports Federations amounts to disrespect to the law of land, challenge to the writ of government and disregard to the decision of Superior Judiciary. All such Federations/its office‐bearers must be punished for the offence they have committed under Rule 4(XI) of the Pakistan Sports Board Rules 1981. III. The Sports Federation siding with the said illegitimate/defiant person or interacting with the Internation a l bodies without the permission of IPC Ministry, disciplinary action be taken against them. IV. Till such time the NOC Pakistan is issued regular Grant‐in‐Aid the P.S.B may provide an interim financial relief immediately as already initiated/ recommended by the P.S.B to Ministry of I.P.C. V. In order to give a clear and clean message to all the service organizations/departments affiliated with P.O.A., Pakistan Sports Board should circulate a letter to them with a list of all its affiliated member Sports Federations and participation in the competitions arranged by these Federations only. VI. Henceforth the P.O.A., a duly elected body of the Federations be kept on board by the I.P.C while communicating with IOC/OCA and other International Sports Bodies. VII. The Sports Policy 2005 must be implemented. VIII. The office of RISJA at Pakistan Sports Board should be made available for sports journalists. IX. All Sports Federations should work according to the Government’s Sport Policy, 2005 and their working should be checked and monitored as per Superior Court’s judgment in this regard and Pakistan Sports Policy, 2005 X. An annual audit of funds issued to Sports Federations should be carried out and its Report should be presented by P.S.B to the Standing Committee of I.P.C. The P.S.B should increase its efficiency and monitoring in order to revive Sports culture in the country so that sports activities can be resumed in the country’s playgrounds.

20. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­ PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 14TH APRIL, 2014 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 14th April, 2014 at 10:30 a.m. in Committee Room No.1, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The age nda before the Committee was as under:‐

i. Laying of Report of Sub‐Committee of Senate Standing Committee regarding participation of Pakistan in International Olympics.

ii. Detailed briefing on creation and composition of Inter‐Board Committee of Chairmen (IBCC), its functions, strengths of its employees and coordination with Boards of Intermediate and Secondary Education (BISE) in the country and its monitoring status.

iii. Any other item with permission of the Chair.

3. The following Members of the Committee attended the meeting:‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla Member iii. Senator Suriya Amiruddin Member iv. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali Member v. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member vi. Senator Dr. Saeedab Member Iqal vii. Senator Muhammad Zafar Ullah Khan Dhandla Member viii. Minister for I.P.C. Ex‐Officio Member Senator Riaz Hussain Peerzada

4. The meeting started with recitation from the Holy Quran. Thereafter, the Chairperson welcomed the Members of the Committee and the officials of IBCC and I.P.C. At the outset of the meeting, she expressed her displeasure over very late submission of working papers. She stated that when the working paper is sent at eleventh hour then the Members cannot go through it. The Secretary I.P.C assured the Committee that a Show Cause Notice will be issued in this regard to the concerned officials and further added that next time the working papers will be sent in time.

78 5. Secretary IBCC, Mr. Ramzan Achakzai delivered a presentation on composition, working and functions of IBCC. He highlighted that the IBCC was created in 1972 through a resolution of Government of Pakistan as an autonomous body of erstwhile Ministry of Education (MoE). However he remarked that currently, the IBCC is under the administrative control of Ministry of IPC. He outlined the mission of the IBCC as to achieve uniformity in academic and assessment standards, introduce reforms in Examination system, and enhance quality of education at S.S.C and H.S.S.C levels in Pakistan. He informed the Committee that Chairman IBCC is selected for one year term on rotation among the Educational Boards of Pakistan. It was stated that total strength of the IBCC forum is 45.

6. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal objected to the inclusion of National Book Foundation in Textbook Board and stated that the National Book Foundation was meant only for literary purposes. She stated that basic education is more crucial than higher education and added that the textbooks of English and Pakistan Studies contain many mistakes and thus it is the job of the IBCC to coordinate with all the Boards and eliminate the said mistakes. She stated that the Committee had suggested finding out the mistakes in the textbooks but to date, no progress has been made in this regard. She further suggested that she is ready to assist the IBCC not as a Senator but as an educationist to remove mistakes from the textbooks. She also added that the Equivalence process of the IBCC unnecessarily deducts marks from O‐Levels and A‐Levels students and termed it unfair. She stated that the subject of education is scattered and there is no proper coordination. The Minister for I.P.C, Senator Riaz Hussain Peerzada added that he is insisting on coordination of Education as well as Health from day one. The Secretary I.P.C remarked that for this purpose a Committee was formed under the Chairmanship of Senator Mian Raza Rabbani but after two meetings no further progress has been made.

7. Senator Kalsoom Perveen highlighted that there are three parallel Education systems in Pakistan. She added that the first type includes institutions like Aitcheson, Burn Hall and all such elite schools, the second category includesmid‐level private schools and colleges and the third category includes Government schools and colleges. She remarked that what is being taught in Government Schools and private schools as regards the syllabus is entirely different. She stated that Health and Education both were devolved to the Provinces and every Province has tailored the curriculum according to wishes of its own people. She highlighted that through syllabus of Islamiaat, extremism is being propagated in innocent minds of the kids.

8. The Chairperson remarked that there should be no issue as regards the unity in diversity and stressed the need for progress as regards the Motto of Unity, Faith and Discipline to be inculcated in the minds of the students. However, she emphasized upon the need for coordinating the efforts of checking the biases being instilled in young minds through the curriculum.

9. Senator Kalsoom Perveen suggested monitoring of what is being taught in Madrassahs. In response to her suggestion, the Minister for I.P.C stated

79 that in his view delivering religious education is not the responsibility of the Government, rather the parents should impart religious teachings at home. He further stated that the Provinces do not pay any heed to the suggestions of Federal Ministry of I.P.C. He pointed out that issues are being raised when the I.P.C asks for holding census which is a constitutional requirement. Senator Kalsoom Perveen questioned as to whether or not there is any monitoring mechanism as regards religious teachings in private schools as the students in private schools know very less about religion. The Minister for I.P.C remarked that he is not against Madrassa education system as Madarssahs have produced many a great leaders and stated that they have greatly served this nation but now their standard has declined. Senator SuriyaAmiruddin stated that inhuman treatment is being meted out to students in Madrassahs. She highlighted that in Quetta Mardsassah students are forced to roam in the streets and beg for food. Therefore, she suggested that the Government should take control of Madrassahs.

10. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla questioned as to what is the nature of the IBCC after the 18thAmendment and further questioned as to whether the IBCC is a Regulator Authority or an Association. The Secretary I.P.C, Mr. Ejaz Chaudhry, remarked that the IBCC has nothing to do with the Curriculum. He stated that last time, the curriculum was framed in 2006 and was adopted with uniformity by all the Provinces. He further added that the subject of Curriculum has been devolved to Provinces after the 18thAmendment and no province is now ready to discuss the issue of curriculum with the Federal Government. He highlighted that the IBCC deals with Equivalence and for that purpose it works according to local and international formulas. He stated that the function of the IBCC is not to regulate the curriculum. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal highlighted that nothing should be taught in schools which is against the integrity of Pakistan.

11. The Honorable Chairperson asked the Convener of the Sub‐Committee to present the Report of the Sub‐Committee. The Convener of the said Sub‐ Committee, Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla stated that the Sub‐Committee consulted all the stakeholders and legal advisors and in the light of that made some recommendations to the Committee. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali remarked that the Sub‐Committee was formed to resolve the issues being faced by Sports in Pakistan and further added that it is our duty to resolve the difficulties being faced by Sports. He highlighted that as per Supreme Court’s decision, POA falls under the jurisdiction of Sports Board. The Chairperson remarked that it is not the decision of the Supreme Court but his own personal view. However, Senator Haji Ghulam Ali mentioned that this Committee had disqualified the President of the POA, General (Retd.) Arif Hassan and had further directed to hold the elections of all the Associations. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla highlighted that the Committee reviewed its directions. Haji Ghulam Ali remarked that review is only possible when a decision is not being implemented but here the said decision was implemented. He further added that the issue will be resolved only through staying within the bounds of law. He regretted that since last ten years Pakistan has not won even a single medal in the field of Sports.

80 12. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali further remarked that 40% of the funds given by the IOC for Football is spent while the rest of the 60% goes back to the IOC. Therefore, IOC is satisfied with the present setup of the POA. He highlighted that on the Recommendations of this Committee and in the supervision of three judges of the Supreme Court, elections of the Associations were held and the results were implemented. He remarked that it is the duty of the Institutions to consider the previous decisions. He stated that after attending the meeting of the Standing Committee on I.P.C, General Arif wrote a letter to the IOC against the Committee. He further added that it does not matter as to who is the President but the funds that are received, should be spent on those who deserve it. He remarked that 32 out of 34 Fed e ration s want tenure restrictions for the office‐bea rers of the Federations.

13. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla mentioned that we want to resolve the said issue and for this purpose the Sub‐Committee held a meeting with General Arif. He questioned as to whether the issue should be resolved or this fighting should continue. The Minister for I.P.C remarked that General Arif had informed him that his removal might lead to sanctions against Pakistan to which he had replied that it means General Arif is conspiring against Pakistan. He remarked that a mistake was made by burning the Office of the IOC and stated that no one wants confrontation but an individual who violates the principles, will not be allowed to remain in office. He stated that we are not violating the Charter of IOC; rather we respect the IOC Charter and we will never violate it. Senator Saleem H.Mandviwalla remarked that we are not interested in individuals; rather we are interested in promotion of the Sports in Pakistan.

14. The Minister for I.P.C., Senator Riaz Hussain Peerzada highlighted that as per Pakistan’s Sports Policy, no President of any Association can hold office for more than two terms. He stated that General Arif Hassan violated the law and contested the elections for a third term which the Sports Board has not accepted. suggested that an assurance should be given to the IOC that the Government is not interfering with the Charter of the IOC. He stated that the issue regarding tenure restrictions for office‐bearers of the Sports Federations is our internal issue and once it is resolved, the decision shall be communicated to the IOC. He ruled out the suggestion of visiting the IOC to convince the IOC that the said issue is our internal matter and therefore the IOC should not impose sanctions against Pakistan. He stated that no sanctions will be imposed against Pakistan. He also added that other countries are also interfering in the affairs related to Sports Federations and all the governments regulate the affairs of the Sports Federations. Senator Saleem H.Mandviwalla remarked that the P.S.B should become a regulatory body to resolve the said issues. The Minister for I.P.C remarked that a middle way can be found by allowing General Arif to remain President of the POA till Commonwealth Games and then he should retire.

15. The Secretary I.P.C stated that a letter has been written to the IOC requesting them for a meeting with the P.S.B. He stated that the blocked accounts of the Federations have been opened and elections of the Federations were held recently. He stated that the Recommendations of the Sub‐Committee will be

81 thoroughly deliberated upon and after that they can be discussed in the next meetin g of the Standing Committee.

16. The Minister for I.P.C highlighted that the entire nation is worried about the issues in Sports. He added that the Ministry of I.P.C is looking for guidance from the Standing Committee on I.P.C. He stated that after studying the Report of the Sub‐Committee of I.P.C, the Ministry will get back to the Standing Committee on the said Re c omme ndations.

17. The Chairperson, Senator Farah Aqil inquired about any progress being made for resolving the issue related to RISJA and Pakistan Sports Board. She was informed that the issue has been resolved and the Media Cell has been opened for Sports Journalists. The Secretary I.P.C invited the Committee members to visit and inspect the facility. The Chairperson also inquired about the renovation and cleaning of the Cafeteria at Sports Complex. She was informed that the Cafeteria has been renovated. The Secretary I.P.C further informed the Committee about renovation work in the Offices and grounds of the P.S.B and stated the washrooms have been whitewashed and cleaned and the seats have been repaired. He further informed the Committee that the Ministry will be initiating a new talent hunt in the days ahead to promote Sports in the country.

18. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla assured to Committee to get the boundary wall of Karachi Sports Ground repaired at his own expense. Moreover, he also promised to assist in sponsorships from the businessmen of Karachi for promotion of Sports in Karachi.

19. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 7TH MAY, 2014 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 7th May, 2014 at 10:30 a.m. in Committee Room No.4, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The a ge nda before Committee was as under:‐

i. Adoption of the recommendations made by the Sub‐Committee of the Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination.

ii. Detailed briefing on the working and performance of the Pakistan Boy Scouts Association (PBSA) and Pakistan Girl Guides Association (PGGA).

iii. Any other item with permission of the Chair.

3. The following Members of the Committee attended the meeting:‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla Member iii. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali Member iv. Senator Muhammad ZafarUllah Khan Dhandla Member v. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member vi. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member vii. Senator Muhammad Yousaf Member viii. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq Member

20. The meeting started with recitation from the Holy Quran. Thereafter, the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on I.P.C., Senator Farah Aqil welcomed the Members of the Committee and the officials from the Ministry of I.P.C. She stated that as regards the recommendations of the Sub‐Committee the Secretary I.P.C and P.S.B had asked for some time to study these recommendations. She added that the Standing Committee on I.P.C wants to finally adopt the said recommendations.

21. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that before proceeding further, the recommendations of the Sub‐Committee should be adopted prior to any discussion. Therefore the recommendations of the Sub‐Committee were adopted. The Secretary I.P.C remarked that Ministry of I.P.C has deliberated upon the said recommendations and as such some of the recommendations are acceptable while for others some

83 submissions have been presented. He stated that the I.P.C will have no objection if the Committee wants to adopt the entire recommendations alongwith the submissions of the I.P.C. He remarked that as per crux of the first recommendation, General (Retd.) Arif Hassan should remain as President of the POA. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali remarked that elections were held on the recommendations of the Senate Standing Committee on I.P.C and questioned as to how come these elections are not being recognized. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla remarked that whosoever is recognized by IOC, as per the recommendations, the P.S.B should accept that person as the Office‐bearer of the POA. The Secretary I.P.C remarked that submission of I.P.C in this regard is that the said recommendation may not be accepted as such for two reasons. He stated that first reason is that some of the matters are pending before the Courts and the Ministry of I.P.C has taken the position that the tenure restriction clause is enforceable. He added that he cannot retract from the position that I.P.C holds in the Court. He added that election of the POA was held as per the direction of this Standing Committee. He therefore added that this recommendation may not be admitted as such. He added that the second recommendation is related to the first one. He stated that as a result of recommendation of this Standing Committee, an interim committee was formed and the government decided not to interfere in the election process. He stated that a body has been formed claiming to be the bonafide body as majority of the National Sports Federations have voted in their favour. He stated that matter is pending before the Courts. He highlighted that M/o I.P.C has communicated its position to the IOC that as per the Policy and recommendations of the Senate Standing Committee as regards the tenure restriction, elections were held. He stated that no verdict should be passed that the elections which are not held under the observership of the international Observers should be declared illegal or vice versa.

22. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal reiterated that recommendations of the Standing Committee are binding. She remarked that on the one hand, the Secretary I.P.C is referring to the recommendations as directions of the Committee and on the other hand he says some of these recommendations are not acceptable. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali remarked that the decision of the Senate Standing Committee dated 24‐ 05‐2013 was implemented and thus cannot be retracted after implementation. He further added that the matter is also pending before the Courts. Senator Saleem Mandviwalla remarked that the Committee has no issue as regards the reason that due to certain legal compulsions the recommendations of the Sub‐Committee may not be adopted. The Secretary I.P.C stated that as per recommendation of the Sub‐ Committee the National Sports Policy is a policy and not a law of the land therefore it can be implemented but it cannot be enforced. However, he stated that the said policy is a part of Government’s authority to make laws and rules and set a direction. He stated that he seeks guidance of the Members as to what is the difference between “can be implemented and cannot be enforced”. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla stated that P.S.B is implementing its policy as a facilitator and not as a regulator and as a facilitator it cannot enforce its policy as regards the Sports Federations. Senator Saleem Mandviwalla questioned as to how the P.S.B can enforce its Policy. The Secretary I.P.C remarked that as per his understanding the Policy is government’s authority to provide a direction and make laws. The

84 Secretary I.P.C highlighted that only three articles in the Policy are contentious which include tenure restriction, 4(11) and 2(A). He added that IOC also has objections to the said clauses. He suggested amending the articles 4(11) and 2(A). The Legal Advisor to Pakistan Sports Board remarked that as per rules of P.S.B and judgement of Supreme Court any sports body which is affiliated with the P.S.B is bound to follow the rules of Pakistan Sports Board. He stated that the Rule 2 (A) empowers the P.S.B and Government of Pakistan to implement the Sports Policy. The Secretary I.P.C stated that the whole policy cannot be discarded but it can be amended. The Legal Advisor to Pakistan Sports Board remarked that except three Federations, all of the Federations have obliged. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla reiterated that such Federations voluntarily adhere to the power of the P.S.B and added that the P.S.B may not force them to accede to the said power. The Secretary I.P.C stated that he needs guidance as regards the statement mentioned in the recommendations that the Sports Policy is not a law. He stated that Sports Policy was approved by the Cabinet and enforced by the Supreme Court. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla remarked that the P.S.B cannot force the Federations for affiliations if they don’t want to affiliate with P.S.B, therefore the policy of the P.S.B is not a law. The Secretary I.P.C suggested that the said recommendations should be amended as such that the Policy of the P.S.B cannot be enforced on the Federations or Sports bodies which do not seek affiliation with the P.S.B. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla remarked that recommendations of the Sub‐Committee are binding and added that for further interpretation as regards the recommendations the Committee may be approached. The Secretary I.P.C remarked that as regards the Recommendation No. 4 the Ministry of I.P.C has already written letters to extend an invitation to the IOC for a visit to Pakistan. He further added that Recommendations 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th are being adopted.

23. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla questioned as to when the Secretary I.P.C is proceeding to meet the IOC to resolve the issue under consideration. He was informed that Ministry of I.P.C had invited the IOC to visit Pakistan and see the ground realities. However, he added that in the first week of June he will visit the IOC and put up the case before the IOC. He stated that a meeting of the Federations shall be called prior to his visit to the IOC. Senator Kalsoom Perveen remarked that a member of Senate Standing Committee should also be included in the said visit to the IOC. The Secretary I.P.C stated that he will write a letter to the IOC regarding the visit of the Parliamentarians. He added that it is heartening to note that Parliamentarians take active part in resolving this issue and own their decisions.

24. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali reiterated that General (Retd.) Arif Hassan had written a letter to the IOC against the interim Committee and Government of Pakistan using the words “so‐called Committee” and “so‐called Government”. He stated that he will move a Privilege Motion against General (Retd.) Arif for the said letter. Senator Saeeda Iqbal endorsed his views. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla remarked that the Committee is not interested in General (Retd.) Arif Hassan but in Pakistan. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali added that the said individual has created the entire problem.

85 25. Prior to briefing on working and performance of Pakistan Boys Scouts Association, the Secretary I.P.C highlighted that when he took over the charge as Secretary I.P.C, he found that officials of the PBSA have gone to Court against Government for the reason that Government was appointing the Chief Commissioners of the PSBA against the Charter of the PBSA. He added that as per Charter of the PSBA there will be a Council which will elect the Chief Commissioner whose accreditation is being done by the President of Pakistan as the Chief Scouts of the country. He highlighted that he informed the Prime Minister that the said order has no legal and moral standing and thus three times the Summary was approved by the Prime Minister. He stated that now the PBSA needs to work and if it fails to do so, the Ministry of I.P.C will question about it. Thereafter the Director PSBA provided a brief presentation on the working and performance of the PBSA. He highlighted that the mission of the PSBA is character building of the Scouts and inculcating in them the spirit of duty to oneself, duty to others and duty to Allah. He further stated that there are 10 branches or Provincial associations. Senator Saleem Mandviwalla questioned as to whether or not the PBSA is an association and further asked as to under which Act it has been registered. He was informed that the PBSA is an association registered under the Societies Act. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla stated that the Committee should be informed about the legal status of the PBSA. The Secretary I.P.C added that the Government has issued a notification as per which the Chief Commissioner is to be accredited by the President of Pakistan and further added that the Ministry of I.P.C provide the PBSA grant in aid. He stated that the PBSA is governed through Societies Act 1960. The Director PBSA mentioned that National Council of PBSA is the highest decision‐making body of the PBSA consisting of members from all the branch associations. Senator Kalsoom Perveen raised the point that the budget of the PBSA is insufficient and questioned as to how it functions with such a meager budget of Rupees 9.5 Million. While referring to the meager budget of the PBSA she questioned as to how with such a low budget the students are trained to survive in tough conditions.

26. The Chairperson remarked that Scouts are nowhere seen in Government schools in the present day life. She suggested that the Scouts should be seen to be active. Senator Kalsoom Perveen endorsed her views and added that Scouts were seen providing relief during the floods but added that now the Scouts are seen nowhere. The Chief Commissioner PBSA remarked that the Scouts took active part in relief activities during the earthquake in 2005 and added that during relief operations two of the scouts lost their lives. He further added that the scouts took active part in relief operations in Awaraan during the earthquake and Tharparkar during the famine. He added that the scouts are active but it is not being reported in the Media.

27. Senator Kalsoom Perveen asked as to how does the PBSA function with such a low budget and questioned as to how the children are trained and what is being provided to them for living and food. The Chairperson termed it an irony and stated that once these associations like PGGA and Civil Defense were very active. She remarked that though it’s a volunteer work but even volunteers are humans and have basic needs to be fulfilled for which this budget is insufficient. She

86 stated that in current situation the scouts are very much needed as they are trained to work during emergencies.

28. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla asked as to who provides funds to the PBSA. He was informed that grant is being provided by the Ministry of I.P.C. He stated that this fund is being provided by the Government and questioned as to what is the budget of the PBSA and who passes the said budget. He was informed that National Council passes the budget of the PBSA and highlighted that their own sources of funds are Scouts Shops, Scouts Cadet College and camp fees. The Director PBSA added that the resources of the PBSA are very limited.

29. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq appreciated the work of the PBSA and added that a media awareness campaign should be run to inform the people about the working of the PBSA. She added that the Scouts are not seen where they should be seen. She asked as to what is the total number of Scouts. She was informed that the number of scouts is 6 lac. She questioned as to how these 6 lac scouts trained with such a limited budget. Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla stated that the Committee wants to help the PBSA in getting funds for the PBSA. He added that the Committee should be shown the Balance sheet, the budget‐making process and budget.

30. Senator Haji Ghulam Ali suggested forming a Sub‐Committee to address the issues of the PBSA and PGGA in more detail. The Chairperson of the Comm ittee formed a Sub‐Committee with the following T.O.R.’s :‐

i) Budget‐making proposal for PBSA.

ii) Budget‐making proposal for PGGA.

The Sub‐Committee will be convened by Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla with Senators Dr. Saeeda Iqbal, Nuzhat Sadiq and Senator Kalsoom Parveen as its Members. The Sub‐Committee will present its Report to the main Committee within a period of two months. The Committee was informed that no jamboree has been held in the last ten years due to non‐availability of funds. The Chief Commissioner added that Chief Minister Sindh has released a grant of Rupees 1 crore for jamboree to be held in Khairpur in which 5000 scouts from Pakistan and 300 scouts fro m other countries are expecting to participate.

31. Senator Muhammad Zafar Ullah Khan Dhandla reiterated that the Standing Committee on I.P.C should play an active role to make these organizations more effective. He suggested that all of the provinces should provide funds to the PBSA and PGGA. He further asked as to whether the grant released by Singh Government is sufficient for holding a jamboree in Khairpur. He suggested that if there is any shortage of funds for the said event, the Committee should be informed about it. He further stated that in case of any deficiency of funds for the said event, Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla and he himself will approach the Chief Minister Sindh to provide more funds according to the needs of the event.

32. The Committee was briefed about the working and performance of the Pakistan Girl Guides Association (PGGA). The National Commissioner of the

87 PGGA stated that the PGGA was registered under Societies Act 1958 and later on it was registered under Social Welfare Voluntary Agencies. She added that the Association is protected and incorporated by Ordinance No. XLIV of 1961 by Government of Pakistan. She highlighted that PGGA is not an NGO but a Non‐ Government Voluntary Movement. She further stated that the PGGA has its own constitution and Bye‐Laws. She added that Ministry of I.P.C provides grant to the PGGA. She stated that PGGA has memberships from all over Pakistan and that all the Commissioners are voluntary members. The Committee was informed that Guides fund, Rupees 3/Month is collected from every student via Ministry of Education in the name of guiding. However it was highlighted that the PGGA is facing problems regarding funds in Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Gilgit‐ Baltistan. The Committee was also briefed regarding Community Learning Centers and Learning Resource Centre and it was added that PGGA has a very good networking.

33. Senator Kalsoom Perveen while appreciating the efforts of the PBSA and PGGA suggested that holding of such camps should be declared compulsory for education in schools. She stated that the Ministry of I.P.C should assist the PGGA and PBSA in getting sponsorhsips from multinational companies. She stated that training of 6 lac students is a gigantic service to the community. However she added that the Committee should be provided information regarding the Budget, Salaries and allowances of the P G GA and PBSA.

34. The Chairperson remarked that in schools education is being provided but characters are not being built. She termed it need of the hour and highlighted that through such a training a child is transformed into a responsible citizen. She remarked that the work of the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides must be visible. Senator Muhammad Zafar Ullah Khan Dhandla endorsed her views and added that the problems related to the PGGA and PBSA should be addressed on a war‐footing. He stressed on the importance of the role of the I.P.C as regards assisting the Guides and Scouts. He stated that Parliamentarians should also play an active role in fulfilling their responsibility to make these organizations more effective. He also urged the provinces to play an effective role in improving the functioning of these organizations. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq remarked that these organizations can play a vital role in character‐building of the students and helps them engage in healthy activities. The Chief Commissioner PBSA highlighted that Payment of annual grant rent amounting to rupees 10 billion to CDA is due on part of the PBSA as the NOC was obtained from CDA on lease basis. He stated that since 2004 CDA is asking to pay the due amount. He added that in case of failure of payment, the said land shall be taken back from the PBSA. He stated that in this regard letters have been written to the President of Pakistan. He further added that requests were being made to increase the grants allocated for holding events on national and international level. The Secretary I.P.C stated that he will visit these organizations within a week and added that these organizations need to be promoted. However, he added that it is more important to see the aspects of regulation of these organizations. He stated that prior to next meeting, he will streamline the budget matters of these Associations.

88 19. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 3RD JULY, 2014 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 3rd July, 2014 at 10:30 a.m. in Committee Room No.1, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The agenda before the Committee was as under:‐

i. Briefing on Policy and Procedure for Selection/Nomination of Boy Scouts to perform duties as Khuddam‐ul‐Hujjaj during the Hajj and examining the Complaint against awarding the Quota of Islamabad Boy Scouts Association (I.B.S.A) to Punjab Scouts Association for the next Hajj.

ii. Briefing on Government’s Plan and Strategy for holding next Population Census in Pakistan .

iii. Briefing on Government’s Plan and Strategy for holding next Population Census in Pakistan.

3. The following Members of the Committee attended the meeting :‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member iii. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member iv. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq Member v. Senator Suriya Amiruddin Member

4 The meeting started with recitation from the Holy Quran by Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal. At the outset of the meeting, the Chairperson of the Committee Senator Farah Aqil expressed strong reservations at the non‐cooperative and non‐ responsive attitude of the Ministry of I.P.C., towards Senate Standing Committee on I.P.C. She stated that it is almost a torture for the Standing Committee to hold a meeting due to such attitude by the concerned Ministry. She stated that the Senate Standing Committee on I.P.C., carries a very important and broad mandate but due to discouraging and frustrating attitude of Ministry of I.P.C., the Standing Committee is always hampered in its efforts to hold important meetings and undertake crucial visits. She stated that due to this non‐congenial atmosphere, the Sub‐Committee formed for making budget proposals for Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Associations could not function for 2 months. She reminded the Committee that it was decided in

90 a meeting of the Committee that first, the Secretary, I.P.C., will conduct a meeting with both the Associations after which the Senate Sub‐Committee will hold its meetings. She stated that she personally made so many calls in this regard to the Secretary Ministry but it was all invain. She says that it is extremely unfortunate that being the Chairperson of the Committee, she has to literally beg the Ministry for holding the meetings. She informed the Committee that her last telephonic conversation with the Minister for I.P.C., was extremely pathetic as it was very insulting and discouraging. At this point, Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal recommended that a Privilege Motion should be moved unanimously by the Standing Committee on I.P.C., against the Minister I.P.C. and Secretary I.P.C. She strongly criticized the Ministry for continuously cancelling and postponing the meetings/visits of the Standing Committees on very important matters requiring resolution. She also reiterated that Senate Standing Committee on I.P.C., is one of the most important Committees of the Parliament and should be allowed to work actively and with its full potential. The Chairperson added that she had earlier decided to take up this very serious matter on a Point of Order in the Senate session as she was in the Senate to do the work assigned to her. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal recommended that the Committee should start public hearings also in which a press conference will also be called alongwith all affectees related to critical issues involving the Ministry. She further stated that the said Ministry should be made to face the public and that Parliament is more powerful than the government. Furthermore, she stated that Parliamentary recommendations are binding on the Ministries.

5. The Secretary, I.P.C., Mr. Muhammad Ejaz Chaudhry replied that being a government servant, he does his duties professionally. He stated that he had apologised to the Chairperson on phone. He said that there was no ill intention or reaction on his part and past record shows that he has been attending all meetings of the Standing Committee except for one when his father had passed away. He also informed the Committee that he had told Secretary Committee on phone that he would attend the meeting if it will be finalized. The Secretary Committee said that being the coordinating officer between the Ministry and the Chairperson, it is her duty to convey Chairperson’s directions to the Secretary Ministry in order to hold the meetings as desired by the Chairperson. The Chairperson reiterated that she had contacted the Secretary, I.P.C. many a times for conducting a meeting with the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Associations. She stated that the Minister I.P.C. even threatened her on phone that she had no authority to call a meeting of the Standing Committee. At that, Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that this attitude by the Minister is wrong and that being a colleague the Standing Committee’s Members respect him. She told the Secretary Ministry that once a file / U.O. Note is sent to the Secretary Ministr y , it is h is responsibility to do the follow‐up regarding holding a meeting.

6. After that, the Chairperson took up agenda item (i). She informed the Committee that she has received a written complaint against awarding the quota of Islamabad Boy Scouts Association for selection/nomination of Boy Scouts to perform duties as Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj to Punjab Boy Scouts Association for the next Hajj. She said that it has been reported that it is a group of Punjab Boy Scouts that is always being sent for the said duty, which is a grave irregularity. Senator Dr. Saeeda

91 Iqbal stated that it is wrong to combine Rawalpindi and Islamabad as one entity because ICT is a different thing. Senator Suriya Amiruddin stated that the Khuddam‐ ul‐Hajjaj if once sent, should not be sent again. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal added that the complaint is true as only a few special families are being contacted for the duties of Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj.

7. The Committee was then informed about the procedure for nominations. There are 10 different Branch Associations of Pakistan Boy Scouts in which there are 4 administrative provinces alongwith Islamabad and A.J.K. also having provincial status alongwith Gilgit Baltistan and FATA. They are two departmental organizations, Railways and PIA whose scouts are also included in the system of Boy Scouts Association. When the Ministry gets the quota of 400 scout leaders for serving in local Hajji Camps in Pakistan, then according to census the whole quota is distributed to provinces. The Committee was informed that unfortunately in 2013 Islamabad Boy Scouts which according to census had 5 seats according to the local quota for Islamabad which they did not avail as a result of which Boy Scouts were taken from AJK and other provincial entities. 5 Provincial Associations come to Islamabad Hajji Camp because they have no airport of their own. Then after 2‐3 months service, performance of these scouts leaders is judged and evaluated. This forms a merit lists. In that merit list the Islamabad Scouts had not participated but their quota was not at all given to Punjab Boy Scouts Association. Actually 400 people had served so 60 seats were divided into these 400 people. There is no repeater in the list which is on record. Quota of one province has not been given to any other province. Even smaller Branch Associations are also given representation in this quota. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal objected that if people from Islamabad had not served in the Hajji Camp then those people who run the Hajji Camp are also responsible for it because they did not give any training to them. She further asked as to who is the responsible person in Islamabad in this regard. She was informed that in Islamabad the Provincial Commissioner is Dr. Shaheen Khan and Secretary is Mr. Iqbal Shah. Senator Suriya Amiruddin was informed that according to census Baluchistan quota is 10.83 and this time 8 seats were given to them as 41 people had served in the local Hajji camp at Quota. This year total 441 seats have been given as quota and Schedule in this regard has been sent to all the provin c es.

8. The Chairperson questioned about the training methodology at these Hajji Camps for Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj. She was informed that they are given training for 2‐3 years in local Hajji Camps. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq was informed that in case of Islamabad not a single person appeared when there was a quota of 8 seats. In their place 10 people have sent signed applications in their personal capacity to Director Hajj. These people have not followed the channel of the Islamabad Boy Scouts Association. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal was informed that Ms. Shaheen Khan was elected twice and her tenure was till March, 2014. Now she has been elected again in a meeting of the Provincial Council. The Senator was further informed that Mr. Iqbal Shah has been an old scout from Khairpur and has been based in Islamabad since long. The Provincial Council has elected him as their Secretary.

92 9. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that it is a very important issue and questioned about details of the policy in this regard because she said as per policy a person can be elected only two times and not three times. She directed the concerned Ministry to provide last 5 years record to the Secretary Committee about how many people were sent province‐wise, from the Ministry and from the Boy Scouts Associations. During Hajj she said scouts and medical facilities are two basic requirements. She stated that the aim is to facilitate these Hajjis as Khuddam‐ul‐ Hajjaj and everybody should get a chance fairly. She recommended that for this job very young and active people should be selected as they have to face a huge croud of 60 to 70 lac people during Hajj. She stated that she goes for Hajj and Umra frequently but never saw a green muffler there. She recommended that there should be some identity for Pakistani Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj. The Chairperson endorsed the views of the Senator and stated that the common observation is that there is no one to help or assist the Hajjis during Hajj from Pakistan. She said that very offen the Hajjis have to face medical issues or they get lost. Senator Kalsoom Parveen added that the Hajjis should be given mobile numbers of Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj. She informed the Committee that 2 Hajjis died during last Hajj and Ministry of Religious Affairs helped in this regard. She further recommended that the Khuddam should be sent one week before Hajj for duties. She stated that it is very important to keep a check and balance and to know the mentality / intention of the Khuddam before sending them. She said that sometimes old men and women lose their passports and Pakistani Scouts should be there to help them and to give them protocol at the Airport. She said that at the moment their performance is zero. She stated that audit accounts of last five years and record should be provided to the Committee. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal fully endorsed her views and said that they must be trained proper ly .

10. The J.S. from the Ministry of Religious Affairs, Mr. Shahzad Ahmed informed the Committee that different contingents are sent for Hajj by the Ministry related to Health and Sports Facilities. The scouts that are sent by the Ministry perform the work of inducting Hajjis into buildings and facilitate them. They include people from police, army, government servants and scouts. A DIG level officer supervises them. There are main control rooms at Mecca and Medina. There are 400 buses during Hajj for providing transport to the Hajjis from their buildings to the Kaaba during Hajj. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the said J.S. was not painting a true picture of the actual situation during Hajj as she has personal experience of all these matters. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal informed the Committee that she personally knows about a retired person who went 11 times for Hajj. The J.S informed the Committee that this year, on a single day the Ministry has received 128,000 applications whereas the Ministry has to send 56,000 Hajjis for Hajj this year which shows the confidence of the people on the government scheme because people are being facilitated in government scheme. He also said that in every building, the Ministry provides its own staff. For every 5000 people in a building there is dispensary, a hospital is set up at Mecca and another one at Medina. There is a Camp that is set up at Mina every year to guide the people. Senator Kalsoom Parveen interrupted him saying that it was the month of fasting and not a single

93 statement by the J.S is true. The J.S. said that he has got record to prove his statement. Th e Senator replied that she was telling about reality and not the record.

11. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq questioned about the procedure adopted by Boy Scouts / Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj during Hajj as to when do they reach there and when does their duty start. She was informed that these people are sent in 3 batches. The first batch is of about 350 people depending upon the capacity of the plane 7 days before the first flight. After 15 days next batch is sent and before Hajj the last batch is sent. He also informed the Committee that last year more than 3 lac Hajjis visited their medical outlets. A team of doctors is also sent to look after the Hajjis. For every 1000 Hajjis there is a doctor and 2 para‐medics. Complaint registration is also done during the Hajj by the Ministry. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed that 64 complaints were received during Hajj. The Senator directed the J.S. to send the whole record of the said 60 complaints to the Secretary Committee. The J.S. further said that after completion of the Hajj a report is sent by the Ministry to the Cabinet. The Senator was informed that the identity of these Khuddam is that they do not wear their Boy Scouts uniform but wear green jackets and green caps. The J.S. informed the Committee that their visibility percentage is very less. He said that Saudi orders are binding for Pakistan as Khudam‐ul‐Hajjaj are not allowed inside the Harem. He stated that the Ministry is improving the performance of these Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj day by day. Senator Kalsoom Parveen recommended that preference should be given to those people who have not performed Hajj even once but those who have performed Hajj 3 times, they should also not be banned for the 4th time. The Senator informed the Committee that about 2 years back, she went for Hajj but not a single person was there from the Ministry to take her out of the Hajj Terminal. She further stated that once a technician was sent there as a doctor. She also remarked that very often the Khuddam themselves go for Hajj instead of facilitating the Hajjis. The J.S. further informed the Committee that Pakistani Health Mission canno t operate in Mina.

12. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal questioned about the duties of the Scouts there. She was informed that their duties in the buildings are regarding shifting the Hajjis from the rooms and their induction into the buildings. Women are in one room and the men are in another room. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed the Ministry to provide full details about the people deputed in each building and recommended formation of a Sub‐Committee to look into these matters.

13. The Chairperson questioned about the Hajji Camps and the training being imparted there. She said that the people are so innocent that they do not know what to recite and what is the exercise. She recommended that the Hajji Camps should carry out drills in this regard for training of the Hajjis.

14. The J.S. informed the Committee that our people are not taking training seriously as training for Hajj has been clubbed with Polio vaccination. He said that the Hajjis are given a briefing at Hajji camps and mock exercises are carried out there for example how to use English Camode. He stated that people do not come for training during Ramazan also.

94 15. Senator Kalsoom Parveen recommended that there should be Centers for doctors and scouts during Hajj. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq stated that a building is called a cluster in Saudi Arabia where Director Accommodation is the incharge. He and his scouts provide booklets to the Hajjis. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq and Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal recommended that the Standing Committee should pay a visit to the Hajji Camp in Islamabad.

16. The Secretary, I.P.C., stated that he will hold a meeting with Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Associations till the 10th of July. The Chairperson formed a Sub‐Committee with Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal as the Convener and Senator Suriya Amiruddin and Senator Saleem H. Mandviwalla as the Members. The TOR’s of the Sub‐Committee are to look into the administrative and financial issues of the Boy Scouts as Khuddam‐ul‐Hajjaj and to make budget‐making proposals for Girl Guides and Boy Scouts Associations.

17. The Committee next took up agenda item (ii) regarding the population census in Pakistan. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the agenda was very pertinent and apt as the last census took place in 1998. The Chairperson of the Committee stated that she had heard that two Chief Ministers do not want the census to be held. The Secretary, I.P.C., informed the Committee that the P.M. will talk to the provinces. In this regard the Ministry has already sent a note to the P.M. to talk to the Chief Ministers. He informed the Committee that the P.M. is keen to hold the census. He said that there are issues like law and order, enumerators’ willingness and conditions and security matters but the P.M. has asked for a solution. The Secretary, I.P.C., stated that as soon as the Ministry gets a reply from the 4 C h ief Min isters, i t will announce a date for census in CCI.

18. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq was informed that most of the ground work regarding census has been done but until and unless the final order or date for census is announced things cannot move on. The Committee was informed that international practice is to hold census every 10 years but it is not a constitutional requirement. He said that India held census in 2010 and that India has been doing it regular l y.

19. Senator Kalssom Parveen highlighted the importance of holding the census as it is the basis for forming budget of every Ministry. The Chairperson added that for the past 15 years we are just guessing everything as a result of which we do not get fruitful results. Senator Kalsoom Parveen appreciated the decision of the P.M. to hold the census. She said that we have been making and passing budgets in the air. She stated that legislation should be done in this regard and amendments should be introduced in the concerned laws.

20. The Chairperson stated that it was after the earthquake in 2005 that we came to know demographically where our people are situated on the mountains as in Azad Kashmir. She said that we got details through US satellite about our own population and how it is scattered on the mountains.

21. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that in mountainous areas there is scattered population and even a single house is counted as a block. The Committee

95 was informed that the concerned Ministry has obtained satellite images for these blocks and work is in progress. The Chairperson questioned as to was there any scheme floating to upgrade our system with rest of the world like regular census being d o ne in India.

22. The Committee was informed that there is an efficient system of recordings births and deaths in many countries due to which census is not required. The system of NADRA, is also very effective for census but it only applies to people above 18 year s of age.

23. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that census is a very big subject and a very important one as Pakistan’s future and its present depend on its basis. She recommended that Senator Mian Raza Rabbani and Senator Aitezaz Ahsan should be reques t ed by t he Committee to bring in required legislation in this regard.

24. The Chairperson of the Committee next took up the issue of Rs. 10 Lac cash award announced in December, 2012 for Pakistani players of Snooker, Mr. Muhammad Asif and Mr. Muhammad Sajjad, but the said cash award has not been received by them as yet. The Secretary, I.P.C., informed her that P.M. is meeting Mr. Muhammad Asif on the 7th of July 2014 and this issue will be resolved. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that such sportsmen are earning very good name for our country and they are our country’s ambassadors.

25. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee should write to the P.M. about problems being faced by the Standing Committee in holding its meetings/visits and stated that the Committee cannot delay or postpone its meeting every time. She said that it is very important for the Minister for I.P.C., to be on board with the Committee as being office‐holders, we are all accountable for our posts.

26. In the end the Chairperson directed the concerned Ministry to make sure that they cooperate with the Standing Committee in holding its meetings/visits. She said that she and Members of the Committee feel guilty when complainants ask them about the issues that they bring to the notice of the Committee. She hoped that the future meetings of the Committee will be held in a more cooperative, positive and meaningful environment.

27. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN SENATOR FARAH AQIL Secretary, Chairperson, Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐ Senate Standing Committee on

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 25TH AUGUST, 2014 AT LAHORE WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting/visit of Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 25th August, 2014 at 11:00 a.m. to Supreme Poultry Farms, Supreme Hatcheries and National Feeds Ltd. in Sheikhupora district with Senato r Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The agenda before the Committee was as under :‐

i. Comprehensive briefing on processing of feed for poultry and raising of the poultry at National Feed Mill, Sheikhupora Road.

ii. Visit and inspection of a Poultry Feed Factory and a Poultry Farm near National Feed Mills, Sheikhupora Road.

iii. Any other item with permission of the Chair.

3. The following Members of the Committee attended the meeting :‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member iii. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member iv. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq Member v. Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz Member vi. Senator Mohammad Yousaf Mr embe vii. Senator Mohammad Zafar Ullah Khan Dhandla M ember

4. The Committee was first taken for visit/inspection of a Poultry Breeding Farm and National Feed Mills at Sheikhupora Road, Lahore. On arrival, the Committee was extended a very warm welcome by President, PVMC, Dr. Mohammad Arshad and the concerned administration. The Committee was given a detailed briefing about the process of breeding of poultry by Production Controller, Dr. Shahid Nadeem and Director, National Group of Industries, Dr. Musaddiq Asif at Poultry Breeding Farm. The Committee was informed that pure breeds are taken from Grand Parents. Eggs are taken to Hatchery where after hatching, the chicks are sent to Commercial Farms where they are kept for 30‐35 days. The Committee was also informed that Grand Grand Parents are in America and pure breeds and Grand Grand Parents are not given to us. Only Grand Parents are imported from abroad. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq questioned about the research being done in this field. She was informed that targets are given by multinational companies dealing in Parents

98 stock and Grand Parent stock to the poultry farms. As per international standards, one hen is supposed to deliver 150 chicks and if optimum number is not achieved, the poultry farm gets aggrieved and it is checked. In Supreme Farm, one mother (Parent stock) delivers 140 chicks after laying 200 eggs. Its life time is 64 weeks. After 18 weeks males are added which is the production time. The mother starts laying eggs after 24 weeks. Then the eggs are kept in Incubators for 18 days and after that they are transferred to Hatchery for 3 days. After a number of 21 days chicks are born. One day old chicks are then sent to Commercial Broiler Farms where they are kept in Brooders at 85ºF. Senator Kalsoom Parveen questioned as to why pure breeds are not being given to Pakistan. She further stated that we should have researched on our desi chicks. Dr. Arshad explained that the present system is a result of 50‐60 years of research work. He also informed the Committee that Lyalpur Breed has been developed at Faisalabad University. He further informed that Holland and America do not sell their Grand Grand Parents and they do not transfer the technology to other countries. Furthermore, billions of dollars are required for the technology of Grand Grand Parents. There are four breeds of Grand Parents and Parents being used in Pakistan :

(i) Hubbard (ii) Ross (iii) Copp (iv) Arbo Acres

5. Senator Mohammad Yousaf was informed on a query about the feed for Breeder in which there is no fish and only Soyabean (30‐32% and without oil), Canola (without oil), grinded Maize (55%‐60%) Corn, Rice Polishing, Vitamins (A+B1+D3+E+Biotin (Vitamin H) +B12+B9+B6+B5+B2+Thiamine), Minerals (Copper+Phosphorous+Selenium) and 15% protein level which comes to a standard feed of 2800 KCal/Kg energy. There is no restricted feeding for Broiler. For Parent stock and Commercial Layer, restricted feeding is done. The Committee was informed that there are very strict rules for quarantine‐all the cars entering in Feed Mills Area are sprayed with antiviral and antibacterial sprays. Senator Nuzhat Sadiq was informed that this feed has been fixed after due research. Senator Kalsom Parveen was informed that the mandate of PVMC is to educate people about this field. The Committee was further informed that it is a wrong impression or general perception that genetically modified feed is not good as it is designed to make the poultry grow very fast. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal remarked that this whole process improves production, not taste.

6. The Committee was next taken on a visit to Supreme Hatchery, Gujranwala Road, Sheikhupora. The Committee visited various sections there i.e. Egg Receiving Room for cooling, Fumigation Room, Egg‐Setting Room, Incubator Room, Hatcher, Packing Room, where 102 chicks are packed in every chick box which are then loaded into trucks for delivery to farms. Senator Mohammad Yousaf was informed on a query that this Hatchery produces 5 million checks per month and is t h e only main hatchery.

7. The Chairperson of the Committee, Senator Farah Aqil stated that it is very important that the PVMC should clear the misconceptions/reservations in the mind of general public in the country about these genetically‐modified birds. She stated that many doctors on T.V. also express their reservations about use of such

99 poultry. She questioned as to whether the emphasis of PVMC is only on production and whether its nutritional value and taste is being compromised or not. She also stated that doctors have been saying on record that this poultry should not be given to girls as it causes mood swings and gynae problems. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal was informed by Dr. Arshad that FDA in Europe is the regulatory authority. The Committee was informed about the Feed Conversion Ratio (FCR) that was earlier, 1 Kilo weight increase through 3 Kg feed but now the new ratio is 1 Kilo weight increase through 1.6 kg feed. Senator Kalsoom Parveen appreciated the good working of the PVMC. She was informed on a query that aflotoxins are found in grains and protein concentrates which are checked in the laboratory of the Feed Mills through Elisa and NIR (Near Infra Red) machines. These machines carry out medicines and toxins check. The Committee was also informed about 3 types of Poultry Feed : Parents Feed, Broiler Feed and Commercial Layer Feed. Senator Mohammad Yousaf was informed that Soyabean stock can be saved for 6 months and that Soyabeen meal is alternative to fish meal. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal was informed that Pakistan is short of oil seeds and no effort is being made for cultivating Soyabean. At that, Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that she can help bring parties for cultivating Soyabean. The Committee was informed that Food Security is fast becoming a very big issue.

8. Senator Mohammad Yousaf was informed that Poultry Feed is regularly being re‐checked and that there is no feed mill in Sindh; Sahiwal Feed Mills caters to the need of Sindh. Senator Mukhtiar Ahmed Dhamrah @ Aajiz appreciated the agenda of the meeting as being very important for securing health of present and future generations of the country. Senator Mohammad Yousaf was informed on a query that poultry feed can be stocked for one month.

9. At the end of the visit, the Committee expressed a sense of satisfaction that neither any harmful ingredient nor harmones are being used in the raising of the poultry/cattle feed.

10. The Committee made a number of recommendations related to following important issues :‐

i) Public Health Affairs. The Committee noticed that the public health matters in the public sector are being dealt by medical doctors who are not amply trained for the job. On the other hand the veterinarians are fully trained in the subject of zoonosis, milk and meat inspection/hygiene etc. The Committee strongly recommended devolution of responsibilities to veterinary graduates as per the academic qualifications, on the principle of “right man for the right job”. ii) Non‐Observance of PVMC Rules. The Committee was informed that with the vigorous efforts of the Council, majority of DVM degree‐awarding institutions now stand accredited but still some institutions both in public and private sector are running DVM programmes without any accreditation. This is a gross irregularity. Similarly non‐prevailing rules, is also a matter of concern. Such an attitude is not expected from the educated class of the society. The Committee recommended that all

100 institutions should strictly follow the existing rules. The Committee advised PVMC to take up the said case at highest appropriate level to stop this irregularity and put up to the Senate Standing Committee the details of non‐accredited institutions running DVM programme and those institution s that have not got their faculty and students registered. Th e information may be provided within 15 days of receipt of this report. iii) Training of Para‐vet Staff. The Committee observed that a number of organizations are involved in the training of para‐vet staff under self designed curriculum. The Committee concluded that this ill trained staff is a risk to the livestock industry and recommended that the PVMC must visit all institutions involved in the training of para‐vet staff in public or private sector for evaluation / accreditation. The Council must prepare a uniform syllabus for adoption by all institutions across the country. iv) PVMC Research & Training Centre Project. The Committee noticed that PVMC has appreciably accomplished the assigned mission despite allocation of meager finances by the government. Committee was briefed that the Council had purchased a plot in Islamabad with its own resources and now the construction work of PVMC Research & Training Centre has started without involving single penny from the public money. However, the Committee was told, limited financial resources have compelled the Council to undertake the project as “Grey Structure” only. Finishing of the project will be linked with availability of funds. The Committee highly appreciated the spirit of the council, which they termed as an example for other similar organizations. Finaly, the Committee recommended allocation of Rs. 200 million to the PVMC as one time measure enabling them to complete the project in one go. The Committee felt that once the said project is completed it will absolve the government from the financial responsibility of the Council and the Council will become a self‐ sustaining organization.

11. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN SENATOR FARAH AQIL Secretary, Chairperson, Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐ Senate Standing Committee on Provincial Coordination/ Inter‐ Provincial Coordination. Director General, Interpretation.

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 24TH OCTOBER, 2014 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 24th October, 2014 at 02:00 p.m. in Committee Room No. 4, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the chair.

2. The agenda before the Committee was as under :‐

i. Comprehensive briefing on all Post‐Devolution issues, administrative, financial (assets and liabilities) and legal related to subject of Health to the provinces including bottlenecks in this regard.

ii. Any other item with permission of the Chair.

3. The following Members of the Committee attended the meeting :‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member iii. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member iv. Senator Suriya Amiruddin Member

4. The meeting started with the recitation from the Holy Quran by Secretary Committee. At the outset of the meeting, the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on IPC, Senator Farah Aqil warmly welcomed the members of the Committee and other participants. After the introduction by the participants, the Chairperson inquired about the absence of Secretary, Ministry of IPC in the meeting. The Additional Secretary, IPC informed the Chairperson that due to a relative’s death, the Secretary could not attend the meeting. The Chairperson stated that the meeting was delayed in order to provide ample time for all participants from the provinces to be able to attend the meeting. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal expressed her strong reservations at the absence of Minister and Secretary of National Health Services and Regulations in the meeting. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that it is very important that the Minister of IPC attends all meetings so that result‐orientated meetings can take place. She also expressed her strong reservations at the absence of provincial Health Department from Balochistan as the Committee is dealing with post‐Devolution issues belonging to all provinces of the country.

5. The Committee Members expressed their reservations over the submission of working paper at the start of the meeting. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal

102 stated that it is not possible to go through the working paper during the meeting. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the working paper pertaining to Lady Health Workers Programme is a very important programme as it is also dealing with Polio. The Senator further stated that after 18th Amendment, questions are being raised again and again on Post‐Devolution issues pertaining to subjects of Education and Health as they are the foundation of any nation. The main purpose for calling the present meeting was to assess the situation after Devolution and compare it with pre‐Devolution scenario. She expressed her deep concern about the situation regarding measles and rising trend of TB and the serious condition of Polio, affecting the image of the country world‐wide. She added that PMDC is not functioning and the related departments are not working plus DRA is not showing any output. She recommended that Chairperson of the Committee should call a series of meetings in Islamabad as well as in the provinces to look into the bottlenecks regarding post‐ Devolution issues in Health and Education. The meetings on Health will establish as to whether or not the purpose behind devolution of Health has been achieved or not so far. She further stated that it is incumbent upon the Minister of IPC to attend the Standing Committee’s meetings as has been ordered by the Prime Minister. She directed the Secretary Committee to invite Minister of Health in the next meeting on the issue. She recommended that the Committee should visit each province for two days in order to work fruitfully for this national cause. She said that it is very import a nt to a nalyse the situation at grass root level.

6. The Chairperson of the Committee spoke on the plight of Lady Health Workers in the country who are expected to look after Polio cases and many diseases in a meager salary of just Rs. 6000 plus they are also being terminated. Senator Kalsoom Parveen while endorsing the views of the Chairperson stated that even Polio drops are also fake. The Chairperson stated that the officers of the concerned Ministry are taking very high salaries and they are often on foreign tours without producing any meaningful results.

7. The Chairperson took up the issue of termination of LHW’s as per the working paper. She referred to her meeting a day before with the Minister for National Health and Regulations who had told her that there are 18 centres for national Aids Control Programme in the country but this programme is non‐ functional due to stoppage of funds. The said Minister also informed her that there are two hospitals in KPK, one is Hayatabad Medical Complex and the other is Kohat KDA Hospital where there are 4 employees in each hospital. She also said that Hepatitis which is closely related to Aids is spreading like fire in KPK. The funds that earlier were given to the Federal Capital have been totally stopped after Devolution. Talking about Punjab, she informed the Committee that the Punjab Chief Minister has issued orders to provide appointment letters to the LHW’s at their homes. The Chairperson was informed by Director General Health Punjab that the pay of LHW’s has been doubled and now it is Rs. 13000 per month. Senator Kalsoom Perveen and Chairperson highly appreciated the good steps taken by the Punjab Government. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query that some of the Lady Health Workers were terminated 3‐4 years ago and because now the LHW’s have become permanent and regular so these terminated LHW’s have applied for reviving their

103 jobs but the cases of 5 or 6 LHW are time barred. The total number of LHW’s in Punjab is 47,000. The Chairperson and Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal recommended that their cases should be considered sympathetically. He informed the Committee that the support and funding that was earlier extended for Punjab Health Department’s Programmes like EPI, TB etc. by the Federal government will be provided till 2015. He requested that either there is lack of capacity in the provinces and lack of funds. He requested that this finding should be extended for further 5 years and EPI Cell should be revived. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal said that in this regard the concerned Ministry should write to Federal Finance or Planning Division and that Senate Standing Committee will also put forth their recommendation in this regard. Senator Kalsoom Parveen added that it was earlier decided that these programme will be funded for a further period of 2‐3 years and this funding will be provided during this period to the provinces. She said that after Devolution some letters have been sent to the international programmes that the subject of Health has been devolved. Regarding Punjab she said that perhaps the international donors will be ready to interact with it as it is a big province but smaller provinces like KPK, Balochistan and Sindh will not get any funding after Devolution. She said it is the duty of the Federation to Act like a mother and keep on performing its duty of supervising the provinces. It is very important she said to find a solution for the diseases prevailing in our country. She highly appreciated the efforts by the Punjab Chief Minister for control l ing an d eradicating Dengue fever there.

8. Provincial representative of Health Department from KPK informed the Committee that their PC‐I was till 30‐06‐2014 but it got exhausted on 30‐06‐ 2012 and now the Health Department has owned HIV Aids on regular side. Now through the intentional donors the programme is being run and patients are being screened as earlier. There is also a focal person in the Health Department on regular side and now they are in the process of approving that PC‐I. He further informed the Committee that in his province, termination of LHW’s did take place. He said that in this province Polio is the main problem. The said terminations were made in Charsadda division. The Deputy Commissioner had terminated them but now they have been reinstated. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query that total number of LHW’s is 12423 but the required number is 13271 while referring to 6‐7 lac IDPs in the said provinces. Senator Kalsoom Parveen questioned that are Lady Health Workers deployed in IDPs Camps in order to look after the sick people in these IDPs Camps who are suffering from many diseases like Polio and Diarrhea. She was informed that the number of IDPs in the said province is one million. The provincial official stated that he is also working as focal person for the IDPs in his province and he was there with LHW’s at the Transit Check Point when the said IDPs were leaving North Waziristan. He further informed the Committee that there was no Polio campaign in North Waziristan after 2012. At that transit check point he said Polio Workers and volunteers alongwith LHW’s had set up Camps to administrator Polio drops to them. When these IDPs came to KPK a weekly campaign was started to check their diseases and administer Polio drops to them in Bannu. Uptil now no Polio case has been reported from IDP’s in KPK. He informed the Committee that there are 3 teaching hospitals in Bannu attached with Bannu Medical College but in the beginning there was not enough capacity in Women and

104 Children Hospital and it lacked a nursery also but now nursery is there and in place of 2 Wards there are now 3 Wards and one more Ward of Gynae has been added to the earlier Gynae Ward. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query that 74 percent of the IDPs are women and children. She stated that in her view all the 3 hospitals in Bannu cannot cater to the medical needs of these 5 lac women and children IDPs due to lack of capacity. Earlier it was decided to have medical teams from Peshawar in Bannu. She suggested that different teams should be called from Mansehra, Balakot and Abbotabad etc. to come to work in Bannu for one week each. The Provincial Health Department representative informed the Committee that in DHQ Hospital there Mobile Medical Camp was setup by PIMS Islamabad in which with 62 staff members worked with 22 specialists. On rotation for 3 days, teams come from Lady Reading Hospital, NRH, Khyber Teaching Hospital and Hayatabad Medical complex. The donors also set up medial camps there. From FATA medical service was provided on door to door basis. In Baka Khel Camp earlier there were only a few families but now 300 to 400 families are there. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that there is a need for cleaning the areas after Eid‐ul‐Azha due to sacrifices of animals. She was informed that there use to be daily meetings between district health officials and district administration officers. The Senator questioned as to whether their district administration team was present in Bannu at that time or not. He replied in affirmative. The Senator stated that the said officials were not there at that time but were present somewhere else.

9. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal was informed on a query about arrangements made for delivery of children in IDPs Camp at Bannu that the Women and Children Hospital at Bannu is purely for this purpose and males do not go to that hospital and round the clock medical facilities including free medicines are being p r ovided ther e.

10. The Chairperson of the Committee stated that the Committee members are particularly concerned about health problems in the provinces specially the smaller provinces. She said that even the LHW’s in the Punjab are often seen staging protest demonstrations for their financial dues and appointment letters. D.G. Health, Punjab Dr. Zahid Pervaiz informed the Committee that in Punjab LHW’s are facing big problems. Provincial Health Coordinator KPK, Dr. Fahim Hussain Khan while giving his presentation on LHW’s programme in KPK said that working LHW’s there are 12423 out of 13271. The said programme was capped in June 2011. LHW’s were regularized on 01‐07‐2012 and trained LHW’s in EPI Programme are 8113 in number. He requested the Committee that they have to write again and again to the Government Printing Press but they are not getting reporting and recording tools due to which they face problems in storing data. Then there are 162 vehicles that need repairs and drivers. Senator Kulsoom Parveen was informed on a query that total vehicles with them are 645 out of which 30 have been given to PPHI and operational vehicles are 352. The LHW’s are being paid Rs. 8000 as salary in KPK while Rs. 13000 are being paid to a LHW in Punjab. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that there is more need to increase salaries of LHW’s in KPK. She was informed that the province has been facing terrorism and that is why LHW’s programme is suffering financially. After regularization of LHW’s the

105 difference between fixed and scale pay is still a big liability of 1500 million on LHW programme which is increasing every passing month. Post‐Devolution, the department is getting delayed and insufficient payments from the Federal government as a result of which in KPK’s LHW programme, bridge financing is being used. Senator Kalsoom Parveen advised them to directly convey their financial crises to KPK’s Chief Minister. She was informed that Secretary Health KPK has written a letter in this regard to Ministry of National Health Services and Regulations Islamabad at which she directed them to provide a copy of that letter to Secretary Committee so that the Standing Committee can also take up the said case with the relevant quarters.

11. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee should take a notice of absence of Secretary Health KPK, Shaikh Ayub in the meeting. The Chairperson also expressed her strong reservations at his absence in the meeting and stated that he must come in the next meeting otherwise strict measures will be taken a g ainst him.

12. The Committee was further informed by Health Coordinator LHW programme KPK that in a meeting of CCI dated 23rd January, 2013 it was decided that Federal government will keep on financing LHW programme till June, 2017 while earlier there was an idea to extend it uptil 2021. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee will ensure that this funding is extended till 2021 and that the Ministry also should do the required paper work in this regard. She further recommended that the Federal government should finance this project till 2021 and as far as their liabilities are concerned Ministry of Finance and Planning Development and EAD should be called. She also directed that the relevant CCI minutes should also be sent to the Committee. The Chairperson also endorsed her recommendations. The Committee was informed that in 2014 and 2015 the LHW project has not received any funding.

13. Next, Senator Kalsoom Parveen took up the deteriorating situation of hospital in Abottabad. She questioned as to why the concerned authorities returned the funds allocated to KPK Health Sector for development. She strongly objected at the return of 72 percent of the said release. She stated that where will the injured and sick people go in case of bomb blast and diseases when the hospitals in KPK are not equipped w ith required medical facilities.

14. The Chairperson of the Committee while highlighting the issue of terrorism in KPK stated that there is an alarming increase in causalties due to the present situation. She stated that she personally noted that KPK’s hospitals including LRH are not in a position to even meet emergencies. She questioned as to whether any step has been taken by the government to build upon the capacity of Lady Reading Hospital and Sherpao Hospital. She stated that many of the injured patients are such that if they are provided timely and proper medical support and treatment, their precious lives can be saved. The Health Coordinator KPK replied that the main load of causalties is on 4 Hospitals in KPK, Hayatabad Medical Complex, Khyber Teaching Hospital, Lady Reading Hospital and Ayub Teaching Hospital, but all these hospitals are autonomous institutions with their own

106 Management Councils which take all decisions. These Hospitals do not come under the domain of Health Department as such. The Lady Reading Hospital bears the maximum load as it is situated in the hub of city. Senator Kalsoom Parveen questioned that why is a Lady Reading Hospital getting salary from the government when it is autonomous. She was informed that the employees before 1998 are being paid by the government but after that the new employees come under the control of the Management Council. The Senator questioned as to what difference is there now in the performance of the said hospital. She was informed that last government built an fully equipped Accident and Emergency Cell in the Lady Reading Hospital which now has enough capacity to meet any emergency. The Chairperson was informed on a query about a large number of injured people in the Church attack in the past that at that time this Cell was not functional. The Chairperson stated that people do not understand these details. The said horrible incident resulted in a great number of injuries to people and many of them died due to lack of proper emergency treatment in the said hospital which was very unfortunate and disturbing. Senator Kalsoom Parveen and the Chairperson took a strong exception at the lack of stretchers in the hospitals. Senator Suriya Amirrudin added that even Oxygen is not available for serious patients in hospital and 2‐3 injured patients are put on a single bed. Senator Kulsoom Parveen stated that in order to meet any eventually there should be provision of an Emergency Cell in each hospital which should work around the clock. She stated that until and unless the Standing Committee visits these problem – ridden provinces, it cannot ascertain the ground situation there. The Chairperson stated that the Committee will next visit Quetta to ascertain the Post‐Devolution matters of Health there and also pay a surprise visit to one of the hospitals soon after Moharram for 2 days. Senator Kalsoom Parveen and Senator Suriya Amirrudin endorsed the decision by the Chair and stated that Committee’s first visit should be of Quetta soon after Ashura. The tentative dates decided in the meeting for the said visit were 6th ,7th ,8th of November, 2014. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that all Post‐Devolution health issues must be taken during the Committee’s visit/meeting at Quetta. She said that the Committee should also look into as to how come the Sheikh Zaid Hospital at Quetta is being run like a dispensary and that who has looted the money of the Hospital. Senator Kalsoom Parveen also directed that all officers pertaining to 9 Health Programmes, Health Secretary and Administration as well as Chief Minister Balochistan should also be invited for the meeting/visit to Quetta. She also recommended that after Quetta the next visit of the Committee should be in Punjab.

15. After that, J.S. Cabinet informed the Committee that he has 4 health facilities in the Cabinet Division, a medical college, an F.G. Hospital (both in Check Shahzad, Islamabad), a T.B. Hospital and a 400 Bed Hospital being setup for women at Rawalpindi. He informed the Committee about details, weaknesses and suggested way forward for all these projects. Regarding the Medical College he said that it was inaugurated on 14‐06‐2011 at Chak Shezad and at present there are 3 batches in it with 100 students in each batch. There is only one Professor and 5 Assistant Professors and 25 Demonstrators. The Budget is Rs. 67 million. There are two classrooms, 4 Labs and a Library. There is shortage of doctors and funds. There is only one female hospital and the boys a hostel has been acquired on rent. The

107 female hostel is in a very bad shape as there is no cook or proper beds over there. Plus this Medical College is not affiliated with any teaching hospital as yet. He said that the said College can be attached with PIMS and a summary in this regard was sent one month back to the P.M. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed the J.S Cabinet to provide a copy of the said summary for perusal by the Committee. Another demand by the J.S. was for infrastructure development. Way forward he said is that this College being a medical facility should be attached with the Health Department. He also requested for more funds for infrastructure development and increase in staff strength. The College needs 6 Professors, 12 Assistant Professors and 48 Demonstrators. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee can help the College to remove all these weaknesses and shortcomings as the Prime Minister has given permission to increase technical staff as per requirements everywhere. The Committee was informed that the salary packages of Professor and Assistant Professors are very less (Rs. 80,000 per month) as compared to the private medical colleges salaries (Rs. 3.5 lac per month). Senator Saeeda Iqbal stated that it is a gross injustice to the Professors as they should be given a good pay package. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed the J.S. Cabinet to provide a list of all those Professors who were interviewed but they refused to join the said College to the Committee. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee will ask multinational companies/Eidi to provide funds for construction of required classrooms in the College. She further said that rooms can be built on different storeys in the same building of the College. Senator Saeeda Iqbal and Chairperson of the Committee directed the J.S Cabinet to send his demands for the said College/Federal Hospital to the Committee .

16. Next, the J.S. Cabinet took up the issues of 400 bed women hospital at Pindi which is under construction. The physical progress of its construction is 57 percent. After 2011 this project was not extended due to lack of funds. He said that under Devolution the said Hospital should have been shifted to Punjab Government. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed that the said Hospital should not be shifted to Punjab government and the Committee will arrange for the required funding. The Chairp e rson a lso endo rs ed her vi ew s.

17. Senator Kalsoom Parveen also recommended that there are employees on contract in F.G. Hospital Chak Shezad but they should be regularized. The Committee was informed that it is a 200 bed Hospital catering to the needs of 250 patients per day. This Hospital is also short of staff and some departments are not there which are very important. The building is insufficient. He said that more land is required for the said Hospital in Chak Shezad. The Committee directed him to send the demands/requirements regarding this Hospital also to the Committee.

18. Last of all, the J.S. Cabinet described the affairs of T.B. Hospital, Asghar Mall Rawalpindi. The Committee was informed that the Hospital is not getting any global funding. There the patient turnover is 450. There are no particular problems regarding this Hospital. Senator Saeeda Iqbal directed the J.S. Cabinet that he should

108 send his demands in writing to Senate Standing Committee on Cabinet Division with a copy to the Chairperson, S.S.C. on IPC.

19. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN SENATOR FARAH AQIL Secretary, Chairperson, Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐ Senate Standing Committee on Provincial Coordination/ Inter‐ Provincial Coordination. Director General, Interpretation.

109 SENATE SECRETARIAT

MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 20TH NOVEMBER, 2014 AT PARLIAMENT HOUSE, ISLAMABAD WITH SENATOR FARAH AQIL IN THE CHAIR.

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A meeting of Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 20th November, 2014 at 11:00 a.m. in Committee Room No. 1, Parliament House, Islamabad with Senator Farah Aqil in the chair.

2. The agenda before the Committee was as under :‐

i. Detailed briefing on the Post‐Devolution Scope/Mandate/Subjects under Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination and Scope of Senate and National Assembly’s Standing Committees in this regard.

ii. Detailed briefing regarding students protest against strict marking by the Islamabad and Lahore Boards and steps taken by the Boards to address the grievances of the students.

iii. Detailed discussion on concrete measures taken by the IBCC for timely fin alizati o n o f sch o ol curricu l um .

iv. Actions taken by the Ministry of Inter‐Provincial Coordination alongwith IBCC for uniform curriculum in all Four Provinces and update on any particular legislation for the purpose.

v. Briefing on the recommendations of the Examination Reforms Committee as constituted by the Ministry of IPC for the betterment of the examination system.

vi. Any other item with permission of the Chair.

3. The following Members of the Committee attended the meeting :‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal Member iii. Senator Kalsoom Perveen Member iv. Senator Suriya Amiruddin Member

4. The meeting started with the recitation from the Holy Quran by Secretary Committee. At the outset of the meeting, the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on IPC, Senator Farah Aqil warmly welcomed the members of the Committee and other participants. After the introduction by the participants, the Chairperson inquired about the absence of Secretary, Ministry of IPC in the meeting.

110 The Additional Secretary, IPC informed the Chairperson that due to a relative’s death, the Secretary could not attend the meeting. The Chairperson stated that the meeting was delayed in order to provide ample time for all participants from the provinces to be able to attend the meeting. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal expressed her strong reservations at the absence of Minister and Secretary of National Health Services and Regulations in the meeting. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that it is very important that the Minister of IPC attends all meetings so that result‐orientated meetings can take place. She also expressed her strong reservations at the absence of provincial Health Department from Balochistan as the Committee is dealing with post‐Devolution issues belonging to all provinces of the country.

5. The Committee Members expressed their reservations over the submission of working paper at the start of the meeting. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal stated that it is not possible to go through the working paper during the meeting. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the working paper pertaining to Lady Health Workers Programme is a very important programme as it is also dealing with Polio. The Senator further stated that after 18th Amendment, questions are being raised again and again on Post‐Devolution issues pertaining to subjects of Education and Health as they are the foundation of any nation. The main purpose for calling the present meeting was to assess the situation after Devolution and compare it with pre‐Devolution scenario. She expressed her deep concern about the situation regarding measles and rising trend of TB and the serious condition of Polio, affecting the image of the country world‐wide. She added that PMDC is not functioning and the related departments are not working plus DRA is not showing any output. She recommended that Chairperson of the Committee should call a series of meetings in Islamabad as well as in the provinces to look into the bottlenecks regarding post‐ Devolution issues in Health and Education. The meetings on Health will establish as to whether or not the purpose behind devolution of Health has been achieved or not so far. She further stated that it is incumbent upon the Minister of IPC to attend the Standing Committee’s meetings as has been ordered by the Prime Minister. She directed the Secretary Committee to invite Minister of Health in the next meeting on the issue. She recommended that the Committee should visit each province for two days in order to work fruitfully for this national cause. She said that it is very import a nt to a nalyse the situation at grass root level.

6. The Chairperson of the Committee spoke on the plight of Lady Health Workers in the country who are expected to look after Polio cases and many diseases in a meager salary of just Rs. 6000 plus they are also being terminated. Senator Kalsoom Parveen while endorsing the views of the Chairperson stated that even Polio drops are also fake. The Chairperson stated that the officers of the concerned Ministry are taking very high salaries and they are often on foreign tours without producing any meaningful results.

7. The Chairperson took up the issue of termination of LHW’s as per the working paper. She referred to her meeting a day before with the Minister for National Health and Regulations who had told her that there are 18 centres for national Aids Control Programme in the country but this programme is non‐ functional due to stoppage of funds. The said Minister also informed her that there

111 are two hospitals in KPK, one is Hayatabad Medical Complex and the other is Kohat KDA Hospital where there are 4 employees in each hospital. She also said that Hepatitis which is closely related to Aids is spreading like fire in KPK. The funds that earlier were given to the Federal Capital have been totally stopped after Devolution. Talking about Punjab, she informed the Committee that the Punjab Chief Minister has issued orders to provide appointment letters to the LHW’s at their homes. The Chairperson was informed by Director General Health Punjab that the pay of LHW’s has been doubled and now it is Rs. 13000 per month. Senator Kalsoom Perveen and Chairperson highly appreciated the good steps taken by the Punjab Government. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query that some of the Lady Health Workers were terminated 3‐4 years ago and because now the LHW’s have become permanent and regular so these terminated LHW’s have applied for reviving their jobs but the cases of 5 or 6 LHW are time barred. The total number of LHW’s in Punjab is 47,000. The Chairperson and Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal recommended that their cases should be considered sympathetically. He informed the Committee that the support and funding that was earlier extended for Punjab Health Department’s Programmes like EPI, TB etc. by the Federal government will be provided till 2015. He requested that either there is lack of capacity in the provinces and lack of funds. He requested that this finding should be extended for further 5 years and EPI Cell should be revived. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal said that in this regard the concerned Ministry should write to Federal Finance or Planning Division and that Senate Standing Committee will also put forth their recommendation in this regard. Senator Kalsoom Parveen added that it was earlier decided that these programme will be funded for a further period of 2‐3 years and this funding will be provided during this period to the provinces. She said that after Devolution some letters have been sent to the international programmes that the subject of Health has been devolved. Regarding Punjab she said that perhaps the international donors will be ready to interact with it as it is a big province but smaller provinces like KPK, Balochistan and Sindh will not get any funding after Devolution. She said it is the duty of the Federation to Act like a mother and keep on performing its duty of supervising the provinces. It is very important she said to find a solution for the diseases prevailing in our country. She highly appreciated the efforts by the Punjab Chief Minister for control l ing an d eradicating Dengue fever there.

8. Provincial representative of Health Department from KPK informed the Committee that their PC‐I was till 30‐06‐2014 but it got exhausted on 30‐06‐ 2012 and now the Health Department has owned HIV Aids on regular side. Now through the intentional donors the programme is being run and patients are being screened as earlier. There is also a focal person in the Health Department on regular side and now they are in the process of approving that PC‐I. He further informed the Committee that in his province, termination of LHW’s did take place. He said that in this province Polio is the main problem. The said terminations were made in Charsadda division. The Deputy Commissioner had terminated them but now they have been reinstated. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query that total number of LHW’s is 12423 but the required number is 13271 while referring to 6‐7 lac IDPs in the said provinces. Senator Kalsoom Parveen questioned that are Lady Health Workers deployed in IDPs Camps in order to look after the sick people in

112 these IDPs Camps who are suffering from many diseases like Polio and Diarrhea. She was informed that the number of IDPs in the said province is one million. The provincial official stated that he is also working as focal person for the IDPs in his province and he was there with LHW’s at the Transit Check Point when the said IDPs were leaving North Waziristan. He further informed the Committee that there was no Polio campaign in North Waziristan after 2012. At that transit check point he said Polio Workers and volunteers alongwith LHW’s had set up Camps to administrator Polio drops to them. When these IDPs came to KPK a weekly campaign was started to check their diseases and administer Polio drops to them in Bannu. Uptil now no Polio case has been reported from IDP’s in KPK. He informed the Committee that there are 3 teaching hospitals in Bannu attached with Bannu Medical College but in the beginning there was not enough capacity in Women and Children Hospital and it lacked a nursery also but now nursery is there and in place of 2 Wards there are now 3 Wards and one more Ward of Gynae has been added to the earlier Gynae Ward. Senator Kalsoom Parveen was informed on a query that 74 percent of the IDPs are women and children. She stated that in her view all the 3 hospitals in Bannu cannot cater to the medical needs of these 5 lac women and children IDPs due to lack of capacity. Earlier it was decided to have medical teams from Peshawar in Bannu. She suggested that different teams should be called from Mansehra, Balakot and Abbotabad etc. to come to work in Bannu for one week each. The Provincial Health Department representative informed the Committee that in DHQ Hospital there Mobile Medical Camp was setup by PIMS Islamabad in which with 62 staff members worked with 22 specialists. On rotation for 3 days, teams come from Lady Reading Hospital, NRH, Khyber Teaching Hospital and Hayatabad Medical complex. The donors also set up medial camps there. From FATA medical service was provided on door to door basis. In Baka Khel Camp earlier there were only a few families but now 300 to 400 families are there. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that there is a need for cleaning the areas after Eid‐ul‐Azha due to sacrifices of animals. She was informed that there use to be daily meetings between district health officials and district administration officers. The Senator questioned as to whether their district administration team was present in Bannu at that time or not. He replied in affirmative. The Senator stated that the said officials were not there at that time but were present somewhere else.

9. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal was informed on a query about arrangements made for delivery of children in IDPs Camp at Bannu that the Women and Children Hospital at Bannu is purely for this purpose and males do not go to that hospital and round the clock medical facilities including free medicines are being p r ovided ther e.

10. The Chairperson of the Committee stated that the Committee members are particularly concerned about health problems in the provinces specially the smaller provinces. She said that even the LHW’s in the Punjab are often seen staging protest demonstrations for their financial dues and appointment letters. D.G. Health, Punjab Dr. Zahid Pervaiz informed the Committee that in Punjab LHW’s are facing big problems. Provincial Health Coordinator KPK, Dr. Fahim Hussain Khan while giving his presentation on LHW’s programme in KPK said that

113 working LHW’s there are 12423 out of 13271. The said programme was capped in June 2011. LHW’s were regularized on 01‐07‐2012 and trained LHW’s in EPI Programme are 8113 in number. He requested the Committee that they have to write again and again to the Government Printing Press but they are not getting reporting and recording tools due to which they face problems in storing data. Then there are 162 vehicles that need repairs and drivers. Senator Kulsoom Parveen was informed on a query that total vehicles with them are 645 out of which 30 have been given to PPHI and operational vehicles are 352. The LHW’s are being paid Rs. 8000 as salary in KPK while Rs. 13000 are being paid to a LHW in Punjab. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that there is more need to increase salaries of LHW’s in KPK. She was informed that the province has been facing terrorism and that is why LHW’s programme is suffering financially. After regularization of LHW’s the difference between fixed and scale pay is still a big liability of 1500 million on LHW programme which is increasing every passing month. Post‐Devolution, the department is getting delayed and insufficient payments from the Federal government as a result of which in KPK’s LHW programme, bridge financing is being used. Senator Kalsoom Parveen advised them to directly convey their financial crises to KPK’s Chief Minister. She was informed that Secretary Health KPK has written a letter in this regard to Ministry of National Health Services and Regulations Islamabad at which she directed them to provide a copy of that letter to Secretary Committee so that the Standing Committee can also take up the said case with the relevant quarters.

11. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee should take a notice of absence of Secretary Health KPK, Shaikh Ayub in the meeting. The Chairperson also expressed her strong reservations at his absence in the meeting and stated that he must come in the next meeting otherwise strict measures will be taken a g ainst him.

12. The Committee was further informed by Health Coordinator LHW programme KPK that in a meeting of CCI dated 23rd January, 2013 it was decided that Federal government will keep on financing LHW programme till June, 2017 while earlier there was an idea to extend it uptil 2021. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee will ensure that this funding is extended till 2021 and that the Ministry also should do the required paper work in this regard. She further recommended that the Federal government should finance this project till 2021 and as far as their liabilities are concerned Ministry of Finance and Planning Development and EAD should be called. She also directed that the relevant CCI minutes should also be sent to the Committee. The Chairperson also endorsed her recommendations. The Committee was informed that in 2014 and 2015 the LHW project has not received any funding.

13. Next, Senator Kalsoom Parveen took up the deteriorating situation of hospital in Abottabad. She questioned as to why the concerned authorities returned the funds allocated to KPK Health Sector for development. She strongly objected at the return of 72 percent of the said release. She stated that where will the injured and sick people go in case of bomb blast and diseases when the hospitals in KPK are not equipped with required medical facilities.

114 14. The Chairperson of the Committee while highlighting the issue of terrorism in KPK stated that there is an alarming increase in causalties due to the present situation. She stated that she personally noted that KPK’s hospitals including LRH are not in a position to even meet emergencies. She questioned as to whether any step has been taken by the government to build upon the capacity of Lady Reading Hospital and Sherpao Hospital. She stated that many of the injured patients are such that if they are provided timely and proper medical support and treatment, their precious lives can be saved. The Health Coordinator KPK replied that the main load of causalties is on 4 Hospitals in KPK, Hayatabad Medical Complex, Khyber Teaching Hospital, Lady Reading Hospital and Ayub Teaching Hospital, but all these hospitals are autonomous institutions with their own Management Councils which take all decisions. These Hospitals do not come under the domain of Health Department as such. The Lady Reading Hospital bears the maximum load as it is situated in the hub of city. Senator Kalsoom Parveen questioned that why is a Lady Reading Hospital getting salary from the government when it is autonomous. She was informed that the employees before 1998 are being paid by the government but after that the new employees come under the control of the Management Council. The Senator questioned as to what difference is there now in the performance of the said hospital. She was informed that last government built an fully equipped Accident and Emergency Cell in the Lady Reading Hospital which now has enough capacity to meet any emergency. The Chairperson was informed on a query about a large number of injured people in the Church attack in the past that at that time this Cell was not functional. The Chairperson stated that people do not understand these details. The said horrible incident resulted in a great number of injuries to people and many of them died due to lack of proper emergency treatment in the said hospital which was very unfortunate and disturbing. Senator Kalsoom Parveen and the Chairperson took a strong exception at the lack of stretchers in the hospitals. Senator Suriya Amirrudin added that even Oxygen is not available for serious patients in hospital and 2‐3 injured patients are put on a single bed. Senator Kulsoom Parveen stated that in order to meet any eventually there should be provision of an Emergency Cell in each hospital which should work around the clock. She stated that until and unless the Standing Committee visits these problem – ridden provinces, it cannot ascertain the ground situation there. The Chairperson stated that the Committee will next visit Quetta to ascertain the Post‐Devolution matters of Health there and also pay a surprise visit to one of the hospitals soon after Moharram for 2 days. Senator Kalsoom Parveen and Senator Suriya Amirrudin endorsed the decision by the Chair and stated that Committee’s first visit should be of Quetta soon after Ashura. The tentative dates decided in the meeting for the said visit were 6th ,7th ,8th of November, 2014. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that all Post‐Devolution health issues must be taken during the Committee’s visit/meeting at Quetta. She said that the Committee should also look into as to how come the Sheikh Zaid Hospital at Quetta is being run like a dispensary and that who has looted the money of the Hospital. Senator Kalsoom Parveen also directed that all officers pertaining to 9 Health Programmes, Health Secretary and Administration as well as Chief Minister Balochistan should also be invited for the meeting/visit to Quetta. She also recommended that after Quetta the next visit of the Committee should be in Punjab.

115 15. After that, J.S. Cabinet informed the Committee that he has 4 health facilities in the Cabinet Division, a medical college, an F.G. Hospital (both in Check Shahzad, Islamabad), a T.B. Hospital and a 400 Bed Hospital being setup for women at Rawalpindi. He informed the Committee about details, weaknesses and suggested way forward for all these projects. Regarding the Medical College he said that it was inaugurated on 14‐06‐2011 at Chak Shezad and at present there are 3 batches in it with 100 students in each batch. There is only one Professor and 5 Assistant Professors and 25 Demonstrators. The Budget is Rs. 67 million. There are two classrooms, 4 Labs and a Library. There is shortage of doctors and funds. There is only one female hospital and the boys a hostel has been acquired on rent. The female hostel is in a very bad shape as there is no cook or proper beds over there. Plus this Medical College is not affiliated with any teaching hospital as yet. He said that the said College can be attached with PIMS and a summary in this regard was sent one month back to the P.M. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed the J.S Cabinet to provide a copy of the said summary for perusal by the Committee. Another demand by the J.S. was for infrastructure development. Way forward he said is that this College being a medical facility should be attached with the Health Department. He also requested for more funds for infrastructure development and increase in staff strength. The College needs 6 Professors, 12 Assistant Professors and 48 Demonstrators. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee can help the College to remove all these weaknesses and shortcomings as the Prime Minister has given permission to increase technical staff as per requirements everywhere. The Committee was informed that the salary packages of Professor and Assistant Professors are very less (Rs. 80,000 per month) as compared to the private medical colleges salaries (Rs. 3.5 lac per month). Senator Saeeda Iqbal stated that it is a gross injustice to the Professors as they should be given a good pay package. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed the J.S. Cabinet to provide a list of all those Professors who were interviewed but they refused to join the said College to the Committee. Senator Kalsoom Parveen stated that the Committee will ask multinational companies/Eidi to provide funds for construction of required classrooms in the College. She further said that rooms can be built on different storeys in the same building of the College. Senator Saeeda Iqbal and Chairperson of the Committee directed the J.S Cabinet to send his demands for the said College/Federal Hospital to the Committee .

16. Next, the J.S. Cabinet took up the issues of 400 bed women hospital at Pindi which is under construction. The physical progress of its construction is 57 percent. After 2011 this project was not extended due to lack of funds. He said that under Devolution the said Hospital should have been shifted to Punjab Government. Senator Kalsoom Parveen directed that the said Hospital should not be shifted to Punjab government and the Committee will arrange for the required funding. The Chairp e rson a lso endo rs ed her vi ew s.

17. Senator Kalsoom Parveen also recommended that there are employees on contract in F.G. Hospital Chak Shezad but they should be regularized. The Committee was informed that it is a 200 bed Hospital catering to the needs of 250 patients per day. This Hospital is also short of staff and some departments are

116 not there which are very important. The building is insufficient. He said that more land is required for the said Hospital in Chak Shezad. The Committee directed him to send th e dema nds/requirements regarding this Hospital also to the Committee.

18. Last of all, the J.S. Cabinet described the affairs of T.B. Hospital, Asghar Mall Rawalpindi. The Committee was informed that the Hospital is not getting any global funding. There the patient turnover is 450. There are no particular problems regarding this Hospital. Senator Saeeda Iqbal directed the J.S. Cabinet that he should send his demands in writing to Senate Standing Committee on Cabinet Division with a copy to the Chairperson, S.S.C. on IPC.

19. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN SENATOR FARAH AQIL Secretary, Chairperson, Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐ Senate Standing Committee on Provincial Coordination/ Inter‐ Provincial Coordination. Director General, Interpretation.

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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INTER­PROVINCIAL COORDINATION HELD ON 10th FEBRUARY, 2015 AT QADDAFI STADIUM, LAHORE.

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A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Coordination was held on 10th February, 2015 at 10:30 a.m. at Qaddafi Stadium, Lahore with Senator Farah Aqil in the Chair.

2. The agenda before the Committee was as under:‐

i. Detailed Briefing on steps taken by the PCB for uplift of cricket at grass root and school levels. ii. Detailed Briefing on role of National Cricket Academy (NCA) for the grooming of the young aspiring players. iii. Briefing on the measures taken by PCB for restoration of International Cricket in Pakistan. iv. Criteria for appointment of Directors in PCB. v. Detailed discussion on any specific training for the World Cup 2015. vi. Detailed discussion on the media news regarding spending of heavy amount on establishment of Biometric Machines Lab in NCA which is non‐functional. vii. Visit of Standing Committee to the National Cricket Academy (NCA) and its Biometrics Lab. viii. Briefing on :‐ a. Media reports regarding suspension of 30 players due to ille gal bowling actions; b. Any corrective measures/rehabilitation work for bowlers like Saeed Ajmal and Mohammad Hafeez being the premium spin bowlers. ix. Any other item with the permission of the Chair.

35. The followin g Members of the Committee attended the meeting :‐

i. Senator Farah Aqil Chairperson ii. Senator Saeeda Iqbal Member iii. Senator Mohammad Yousaf Member

4. The meeting started with the recitation of the Holy Quran by Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal. At the outset of the meeting, Chairperson of the Committee, Senator Farah Aqil welcomed the members of the Committee and other participants

118 in the meeting. She stated that the Committee had a long standing plan to visit the NCA and hold a meeting on Cricket affairs to assess as to what development steps the P.C.B. has taken in the Academy. At present, she said due to coming Senate elections, only two Committee members could make it to the meeting. She also stated that she was very much impressed with the first look of the National Cricket Academy but there were many questions in her mind about cricket affairs of Pakistan in an d abroad the country.

5. The Chairman, P.C.B., Mr. Shaharyar M. Khan warmly welcomed the Chairperson and members of the S.S.C. on I.P.C. He stated that after the meeting, the Committee will be taken on a tour of the N.C.A. where under‐17 Pakistan cricket team were practicing in the ground at that time. After the introduction of the members and officers of the P.C.B., the Committee was given a detailed presentation on Power Point by a member of Grass Root Committee of the P.C.B., Mr. Haroon Rashee d .

6. While giving the presentation, Mr. Haroon Rasheed informed the Committee that P.C.B. is a unique organization in Pakistan as it is self‐sufficient and everything related to the game is catered for by the P.C.B. itself. P.C.B., he said was established under Sports Development Ordinance 1962 under the name of PCCP but in 1995, it was renamed as P.C.B. It’s new Constitution was enacted on 10th July, 2014. Its’ governance structure comprises of Prime Minister of Pakistan as the patron and BOG which elects the Chairman which includes besides the Chairman, 4 Regional Cricket Association Heads, 4 Service Organization Representatives, 2 Nominees by the patron and Federal Secretary, Ministry of I.P.C. as its’ Ex‐Officio Membe r .

7. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal directed the P.C.B. to approach Federel Directorate of Schools and make Islamabad, a model cricket playing city as there is no paucity of funds in the Federal Capital. The Chairman P.C.B. highly endorsed her recommendation. The Chairperson of the Committee stated that the Committee wants the game to be run with a better understanding particularly at the regional level. She also said that as she hails from Peshawar where there are apprehensions

119 about misrepresentation and elections of the P.C.B., so she strongly feels that the regional/local people should be taken on board to end their concern that they were left out and that for grass root school cricket, the Federal Directorate of Education should be involved. P.C.B. Chairman informed the Committee that currently, the P.C.B. was focussing on ensuring that minor teams come to Pakistan to play cricket. Mr. Haroon Rasheed apprised the Committee about P.C.B.’s recent endeavours to set up National Cricket Academies at Karachi and Multan also on the pattern of N.C.A. at Lahore .

8. The Chairperson of the Committee inquired about the criteria for award of Central Contract to the cricketers with particular reference to the upcoming Cricket World Cup. The P.C.B. Chairman replied that the Central Contract is awarded to the cricketers for one year by the Selection Committee of the P.C.B. on the basis of performance and fitness of the players and they are placed in ‘A’, ‘B’ and ‘C’ categories as per their potential/expertise. In this process, no injustice is done to the asp i ring pl ayer s .

9. The Chairperson of the Committee next took up the matter of rehabilitation work for bowlers like Saeed Ajmal and Mohammad Hafeez, the premium spin bowlers with illegal bowling actions. The ex‐Cricket legend, Mr. Intikhab Alam who is a member of Cricket Committee as well as Grass Root Committee in the P.C.B., explained the difference between legal and illegal bowling actions of the said cricketers through their videos to the Committee. He said that there are two types of faulty bowling actions :‐ Suspect Bowling and Illegal Bowling. Regarding Saeed Ajmal, he informed the Committee that due to vigorous training, Saeed Ajmal’s total action has been changed which has reduced his speed due to which the player himself has requested the P.C.B. not to include him so soon for the upcoming World Cup. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal remarked that as per media reports, Saeed Ajmal was used against the Chairman P.C.B. The Committee was informed that after Saeed Ajmal, bowling action of Mohammad Hafeez will also get cleared soon.

120 10. Thereafter, the Chairman P.C.B. took the Committee into confidence about certain important issues/matters pertaining to Pakistan Cricket. He highly appreciated the fact that Cricket is the only game that is self‐sufficient in Pakistan. Besides that, he stated that new P.C.B. Constitution is democratic in nature, a fact that has also been recognized by the I.C.C. He said that he was the first nominated Chairman of the P.C.B. Now 3 more regions have been added : FATA/Abbottabad/Frontier, Dera Murad Jamali and AJK. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal added that FATA representatives asked for more grounds which will be built there. The Committee was informed that Cricket is also being played in refugee camps in the country. The Chairman PCB stared that Sports is an industry in the world but it is not t h e case in Pakistan.

11. The Chairman P.C.B. highlighted the issue of a huge bloated PCB and problem of fund generation. He stated that right sizing is being done in this regard by the experts and that some of the P.C.B. employees should be absorbed by the provinces also. The Chairperson was informed on a query about duel jobs being undertaken by some officers of the P.C.B., a practice that is being discouraged now by the Chairman P.C.B. and BOG.

12. Regarding opening of doors and revival of international cricket in Pakistan the P.C.B. Chairman stated that it cannot happen overnight – England and Australia he said will not come till 2 years. Two minor teams from Afghanistan and Kenya have come to Pakistan recently. Now, the P.C.B. is inviting teams from Ireland, the Netherlands, Holland and Scotland. Nepal and Namibia are also willing to send their minor teams to Pakistan. Major teams of countries like Zimbabwe, SriLanka and Bangladesh have asked P.C.B. to first prove/clear security situation in Pakistan. In this regard, he said certain fool‐ proof security arrangements have been made for the visi ting minor teams.

13. While appreciating the role being played by Pakistan Women Cricket Team Captain, Sana Mir, the Chairman P.C.B. informed the Committee that the said team is performing remarkably well in Cricket as it won the only Gold Medal for Pakistan in Asian Games 2014. Recently, an MOU has been finalized by the P.C.B.

121 with Kinniared College for Women Lahore. He emphasized the need for making one cricket ground (closed and secure area) for women in every city of the country.

14. After that, the Chairperson took up the issues of lack of regional representation in the game due to delay in regional elections and award of media rights by the P.C.B. Senator Saeeda Iqbal also stated that these vital processes must be made transparent. The C.O.O. of the P.C.B., Mr. Subhan Ahmed informed the Committee that elections get delayed as many cases are in courts. The Chairperson remarked that people feel left out and so they go to the courts. The C.O.O., stated with reference to award of media rights that top bid is accepted through a most transparent process. In this connection, he said that a high‐level Committee has been formed under Chairmanship of former I.C .C. President, Mr. Ehsan Mani.

15. The Committee was informed by the Chairman P.C.B. that work on Biometrics Lab was stopped in 2008 but its building is under construction now. He said that the s aid building will be completed till June this year.

16. Senator Dr. Saeeda Iqbal expressed her views about centralized P.C.B. as not being a good omen for the country. She recommended that P.C.B should shift a bit towards decentralization in media, funding, jobs and administration which will further improve its output / performance. She was informed by Mr. Haroon Rasheed that the P.C.B. is already working on these lines and as a test case it is trying to focus on decentralization in Lahore and Islamabad and make it self‐sufficient through sponsors in marketing also.

17. Regarding forthcoming Pak‐India Cricket series, the Chairperson was informed on a query by Chairman P.C.B that an MOU has been signed between Cricket Boards of the two countries and it is hoped that Indian Cricket Board will be granted permission for the same by the new Indian government.

18. At the end of the meeting, Chairperson of the Committee, Senator Farah Aqil appreciated the working and future projects of the P.C.B. and stated that many misconceptions of the Committee members were removed by face to face meeting of the Committee with the PCB. She also said that the Committee was

122 misguided about the Central Contract of the players and their relations with the PCB, which she feels were removed after the meeting. She also reiterated that more representation should be given to Regional Cricket Associations in the P.C.B.

19. The Committee finally undertook a visit to different parts of the N.C.A. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to and from the Chair.

FARZANA KHAN SENATOR FARAH AQIL Secretary, Chairperson, Standing Committee on Inter‐Provincial Senate Standing Committee on Coordination/ D.G. In terpretation, Inter‐ Provincial Coordination. Senate.

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