Thursday, August 16, 1962 Third Series, Vol. VI, No.8 Sravana 25, 1884 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES
Third Series Volume VI, 1962{1884 (Saka) [.4u"us(6 tO~I8, I9621Sravana 15 to 27, 1884 (Saka)1
SECOND SESSION, 1962/1884 (Saka) (Vol. VI contains Nos. I to 10)
LO K SABRA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI O)NTENTS
[Third Series, Volume VI-A,,~'usl 6 10 18. 1962/S,atJQIIO IS 1027. 1811.4 (S""O)]
CoI.IIMNS No. I.-MmrdDy. Augru.6. I'}62/S"I(,,,na IS. 1884 (S.) Member Sworn: Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. I to I J 1-40 Wriuen Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 14 to 35 and 37 to 48 40-65 Unstarred Questions Nos. I to 23. 25 to 60. 62 to 69 and 71 to 76 65-108 Re: Motions for Adjournment 108-10 Obituary References 110011 Re: Point of Order 111-16 Papers laid on the Table 1J6-19 he .ident's assent to Bills • IJO Statement" : situation in Ladakh 120-33 Statement re : Finance Minister's recent visit to Western Europe 133-40 St.ltement rc : Railway accident at Dumraon 1010-46 National Cooperative Development Corporation Bill 146-246 Motion to consider 146-241 aauses 2 to 24 and I "42-.15 Motion to pass 245- 46 Business Advisory Cnmmittee- Third Report Daily Digest • No.2-Tuesday. August 7. 1'}62/Sravana 16. 1884 (SaluJ)- Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 49 to 56 and 87 Shon Natk... :~u ..... tion No. I . Written Answers to QuestiJns- Starred Questions Nos. 57 to 86 and 88 to 91 295-319 Unstarred Questions Nos. 77 to 154. 156 to 159. 161 to 184 and 186 to 214 3:9-.110 Papers laid on the Table . 411-16 Election to Committee- !! Indian Nursing Council 417 Business Advisory Committee- Third Report 417 National Co-operative Development Corporation BiII- Motion to pass. as amended 418·· ·26 AsIII/JI Rifles (Amendment) Bill 426-65 Motion to consider 426--49 Clauses 2. 3. and I 4S0~S MOlion to pass 465 ii COLUMNS Enradition Bill 465-534 Motion to consider ... 465-523 Clauses 2 to 37 and I 523-26 Motion to pass 526-34 Dally Digest • 535-46 No. 3.-W,dnuday, Augusl 8, l'}6a/Srava..a 17, 1884 (Saka).- Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 92 to 102 547-86 Supplementaries on S. N. Q. No. 1 586--91 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 103 to 14~ Unstarred Questions Nos. alS to 233, 235 to 2'}6. 298 to 328, 330 to 352• 344 and 34~. • • • • •• ••• 617-89 Papers laid on the Table . 689-91 Message from Rajya Sabha 691-92 Arrest of Members 692-93 -COmmittee on Private Members Bills and Resolutions Fou~h Report 693-94 Business of the House 694 Custom BiU- Extension of time for presentation of Report of Select Committee-· 695-'}6 Land Acquisition (Amendment) Bill-Introduced 6'}6-97 Statement re : Land Acquisition (Amendment) Ordinance 697 Extradition BiII- Motion to pass 697-711 Hindu Adoptions and Maintenance (Amendment) Bill -,;t1-64 Motion to consider 711-62 Clauses 2 to 4 and 1 762~ Motion to pass 764 Christian Marriage and Matrimonial Causes BiII- Motion to refer to Joint Committee .764-800 Daily Digest • • 801-10 No. 4.-TllUrsday, August 9. 196z/Srava..a 18, 1884 (Saka).- Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 144 to IH and 155 til 164 81[-54 Written Answers to Questions- St_rred Questions Nos. 154 and 165 to 171 854 -58 Unstarred Questions Nos. 346 to 38S and 387 to 422 858-906 R,: Point of Order 906-08 Papers laid on the Table . 909-10 Statement re : Railway accidents 910-11 Business of the House 911-13 Specili c Relief Bill - Motion to refer to Joint Committee Statement" : Manufacture of small car Administrators-General Bill - Motion to refer to Sdect Committee 971-77 Diac:ussion r': Breakdown of power supply in Ddhi 977-1046 Daily Diles! . 1 0 47-52 ill
No. s.-Jlridt,y, Aurusr 10, I9!>aiS __ 19, 1884 (S.). On! ADawus to QuestiOIll- Starred Questions NOI. I7a, 174, 175, UO, 176. 171, ao6. I7B. 119 10 Ila 105)-11 Written ADawen 10 Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 173, 18] 10 aos, aD7 to a09, all 10 al4 • UIIItarred Questions NOI. ~] to 497, 499 to 'U, ,a] to '30 and 53a 10 531 Motions for Adjournment and CaIJins Attention to Matter of Uraent Public Importance 1171-91 Statement of Minister of Irription and Power r.: Breakdown of power luppl, in Delhi ...... •.. 1314-13011 CaIJins Attention to Matter of Uraent Public ImportaDCc- Shortage of drinking water in Ramakrilhnapunm Papen laid on the Table Conviction of Memben Swement n. Coal minina in West Benpl Buainels of the HOUle Elections to Committees- All India Institute of Medical Science; and Estimates Committee Motion re: Report of Study Team on Co-operative Trainina Committee on Private Memben' Billa and Resolutions- Fourth Repor 1~9 Resolution re: Representative Character of Trade Unions 1~9-66 Resolution re : Compulsory Life Insurance U66-B4, 1)01-13. 1314-34 Resolution r' : Urban and Run! Houaina and Slum CIeuancc Scbeme IJ34 Arrest of a Member 1514-' Daily Diaat "17-"
ISIS (Ai) LSD-, CoLUKlfI [VoL VI-Ctmt4.] No. 6-MtmtIay, AfIIUI' 13, 1963/SrGWlIII 33, I .... (S_>-
Oral ADawen to Questions- Starred QuestiOl1ll Nos. 315 to 333, 335, 337 to 331 1331...... ,., Short Notice Question No. 3 137."""SO Written ADawcn to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. u4, u6, z3Z to 368 1380-1406 Umtam:d Questions Nos. 539 to 560 IIIId 56z to 645 1406-73 Papen laid on the Table 1473-75 Imprisonment of Member 1475-76 Demmcis for Supplementary Grllllh (GeneraJ), 1963-63 1476 Demands for Supplementary Grlllltl (RaiIwaY'), 196z-63 1476 BiUs iDtroduced- I. Atomic BDel'lY BiU 14'16-77 3. Advocates (Third Amendment) Bill 1477 Motion Ir,: India-China berder situation 1477-1610 BuUneu of the House 16]0 Dally Diacat . 1631-40
On! AnIwen to Question.- Starred Questions Nos. 269 to 378, 380 to 384, IIIId 316 IIIcI 318 Written Answers to Questiona- Starred Questions Nos. 379, Z85, 287, z89 to 393, and 395 to 313 Unswred Questions Nos. 646 to 6so, 6sz to 688 and 690 to 735 CaJJina Attention to Matten of UfllCllt Public Importllllce- (i) Reported dlailll of trenches by PUistani armed forces lIong West BenpJ-Plltistan border '74:1-4S (ii) Train-bus eoUlllon near Kaahipar '74S-47 Papen laid on the Table '747-48 Statement re : Power eupply position in Delhi . 17411-so India-China border situation . ~15~· Motion r.: Report of U.P.S.C. '713-111119 Business Advieory Commi_ Fourth Report Daily Diacat No. S-:n..r~, ....,. 16, 196z/Sr_ 2S, 18", (SMo)- On! AIIIwen to Question.- Starred Questions NOI. 314 to 316, 34S, 317 to 326, and 331 Short Notice Quatioll NOI. 3 WrItteD ADnren to Quesdoaa- Stamd Questioaa NOI. 327, 339 to 344 IIIcI 346 to 353 191P"-J6 UIII1Ured Questions Nos. 726 to 839 1936-2016 CaIliDa Attention to Matten of UJ1eIIt Public I~ I. Oooure of BraDCh 0fIice of RehabiliUltion at CoJc:utta ; and a. Cnckcr explOlion ncar Red Fort, DcIhI VI
Papers laid on the Table Committee on Private Members' Billa and Reaolutiona- Fifth Report 2025 BUlineas Advisory Committee- Fourth Report 2025-27 Motion ,,: Report of Union Public Service Commission 2027-45, 2045--68 Business of the House • 2045-47 Motion,,: Statement on Railway accidents 2068-2136 Daily DiJen . 2137-44
No. g-Priday. AUZWI 17. 1962/S'tJfJQ114 26, 1884 (Saka)- Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 354 to 361. 364, 367, and 369 to 372 Short Notice Question No. 4 Written' Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 362, 363, 365. 366. 368. and 373 to 402 2186-2207 Unstarred Questiona NOI. 840 to 952, 954 to 961. 963, 964. 966 to 973 and 97S to 985 2208-95 Ca11ing Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Alleged assault on a Sports Correspondent U9S-96 Papers laid on the Table 2296-98 Motiem ,,: Statement on Railway accidents 2298-2364 Comminee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions- Fifth Report Con.titution (Amendment) Bill (Amendment of Articles 100 and 189) by ShIi M.L. Dwivedi-Introduc:ed Conatitution (Amendment) Bill (Amendment of Articles 124 and 217) by Shri K.C. Sharma-Introduced 2373-74 1,1ntouchability (Offences) Amendment Bill (Amendment of Sec:tiona 3 and 4) by Shri Sid ~i.Ih-Withdrawn Motion to consider 2374-2410 Rindu Suc:c:ession (Amendment) Bill . 2410-21 (Amendment of Section 30) by Shri Hem Raj . 2410-21 Motion to consider Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Bill (Omission of Section 87-B) by Shri M.L. Dwivedi 2422-26 Motion to conaidcr 2422-26 Daily Dip_t 2427-36
Oral Anawen to Questions- Stlll'l'ed Questions NOI. 403, 428, 404 to 406. 408, 410. 41l. 413 to 419. 421 and 420 . 7.437-71 Written Answers to Queltions- Starred Questions Nos. 407.409.412, 4ZZ to 427, and 429 to 436 vii
(;OLUMNII Unatarred Questions NOl. 986 to 1071, 1073 to 1086 and 1088 to 1089 2489-2 5SS 'Papen laid on the Table 255S-56 Conviction of Member 2556 Business of the House 2S56-S7 Demands for Supplementary Grants (Railways) 1962-63 2557-82 Demands for Supplementary Grants (General), 19(;2-63 2582-2634 Motion re : RepOIts of National Industrial Development Corporation • ~34-76 ,Da\b' Digest . 2671-84 H.B.-The sign + marked above the name of. member on questions which were orally anewaed indicates that the question wu acually asked on the ftoor of the HOUle by that Member. LOK SABHA DEBATES
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LOK SABHA a series of measures, such as appoint ment of special staff for cotton exten sion work, arrangements for distri Thursday, August 16, 1962 /Sravana 25, bution of seed of improved varieties, 1884 (Saka). better plant protection arrangements, and allotment of special quota of fertilisers. Two technical officers will be appointed by the Indian The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock . Central Cotton Committee to advise and assist States in increasing the [M r. Speaker in the Chair] production of cotton.
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (b) Yes. ! Production of Cotton and Oilseeds (c) One of the officers referred to in (a) has already been appointed + by the Committee and the other one f Shri Subodh Hansda: will join, shortly. I Shri S. C. Samanta: Shri B. K. Das: Shri Subodh Hansda: When there Shri M. L. Dwivedi: are officers in the Agricultural Depart Shri D. C. Sharma: ment who have got wide experience Shri Raghunath Singh: and when there are research wings Shri Hem Barua: for the development of cotton produc *314. ^ Shri Tridib Kumar tion in our country, what is the Chaudhuri: necessity for employing these ex Dr. L. M. Singhvi: perts? Shri Yashpal Singh: Shri Basumatari: Dr. Ram Snbhag Singh: As I said (_ Shri Ram Ratan Gupta: in the original reply, this programme is going to be expanded, and so it is Will the Minister of Food and Agri necessary that we should expand the culture be pleased to state: number of the staff also. (a) whether it is a fact that Gov Shri Subodh Hansda: What is the ernment propose to boost up the Government’s estimate in regard to production of cotton by appointing a the boosting of production of cotton in few experts; our country with the help of such (b) if so, whether the plan has experts, and how long will it take to been approved by Government; and reach the estimated target?
(c) whether experts have been Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: There are appointed by Government? several schemes for increasing the production of cotton, becausfe, as you ' The Minister of State in the Minis know, the target for the Third Plan try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram id 70 lakh bales. We are short of Subhag Singh): (a) The State Gov that target so far, and so it has been ernments have been advised to bring proposed to expand the production about increases in yield of cotton and programme in various cotton growing improvements in quality by adopting States, and therefore some increase in 1477 (Ai) LSD— 1. 1879 Oral Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Oral Answers 18 80 9 staff is inevitable, and therefore that 31FT % '3o-fl^rl % f^T I WTX has been done. if sftT ’rft *Ffi£f ‘f'T W m * ftj’TT 5fT Shri S. C. Samanta: Is it not a fact that the Indian Central Cotton Com w t 1 mittee and the Indian Central Oil Shri Basamatari: May I know whe seeds Committee have so many ther Government have taken any experts for research schemes taken measure which would induce or up by them; if so, why are the new encourage the cultivators to grow experts being appointed? cotton in non-cotton growing areas?
Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: So far, the n © trt g**r fag : ^ IT© HTo fgMlqt : ^ «idr4 % ftnr jft'5r»TT ^T^TT j fa TOT fTfa ^ fdMfrf i % inft ^ | i JT5TTTH : TOT 4 ^TPT TOrTT TT^hT ^ fv % f^PT ^^1^1 swftefirft qrprcr fm i % ^TOT QTTTcT ftRT WT | ? tftx m w w % wft ? t o ^ J; TTo THT gHT^T % f^R ^r, in the process of boosting up the The Minister of State in the Minis production of cotton? try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Alagesan): (a) The matter is still Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: Govern . under consideration. ment is going to concentrate on improving the quality and quantity, (b) The Chief Engineer (Civil) both. But, these intensive district and his staff are already stationed at programmes are intended to improve Maithon. The Corporation propose quality particularly. to move the operation and Mainten ance Wing of their Electricity Shri Hem Barua: May I know if it Department also to Maithon shortly. is a fact that Government propose to start a mechanised farm in the irri (c) Yes, Sir. An estimate has been gated areas of Rajasthan? If so, may made in this regard by the Corpora I have an idea of that plan? May 1 tion. know also if Government propose to (d) Suitable arrangements will be introduce package programmes there made by the Corporation before the also? move is actually effected. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: The mecha Shri Subodh Hansda: May I know nised farm is going to be opened just whether it is a fact that the Govern near the Suratgarh farm, Jetsar is ment of West Bengal have not been the name of the place. But, in the consulted in regard to moving the entire Bikaner division, where water headquarters from Calcutta to Mai facilities are going to be provided by thon? the Rajasthan canal, these intensive production programmes will be Shri Alagesan: For over a number encouraged. of years this question was being discussed with both the Government* Transfer of D.V.C. Headquarters of Bihar and West Bengal. The West Bengal Government raised some 4- objections initially that they could f Shri Subodh Hansda: not provide the funds for the shift | Shri P. R. Chakraverti: ing of the headquarters and the crea *315 Shri Indrajit Gupta: tion of new headquarters. Lastly, [ Shri S. C. S a manta: they have asked for a postponement I Shri M. K. Kumaran: of three months. We have agreed to Will the Minister of Irrigation and postpone the move for another 3 Power be pleased to state: months after which the operation and maintenance staff of the electricity (a) whether any final decision has department will be shifted. been reached with regard to the pro posed transfer of D.V.C. Headquarters Shri S. C. Samanta: Is it not a fact from Calcutta to Maithon; that the hon. Minister of Irrigation and Power wanted to meet the Chief (b) whether it is a fact that the Minister of West Bengal at Calcutta Chief Engineer and the operational and to settle the matter finally? sj>aff are stationed at Maithon; Shri Alagesan: In April 1961 there (c) whether Government have made was a meeting between the Chief ^ any estimate of the economy and effi Minister of West Bengal and the ciency that are expected to be Minister of Irrigation and Power at effected from the proposed transfer; the Centre; there the Chief Minister and of West Bengal agreed to the shifting (d) what arrangements have been of the operational staff. That was made for accommodating the emp the outcome of the meeting. loyees t^Jio will be transferred to Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: Is it a Maithon? fact that there is a great feeling not Oral Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Oral Answers 1884 only among the public but among the Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: 316. employees also due to the delay in Shri S. M. Banerjee: Sir, he is the shifting of the staff to Maithon? reading out the statement in question Shri Alagesan: The work of the 345. Corporation will be facilitated very largely if the headquarters is shifted Mr. Speaker: Then there may be to Maithon and that is why we are the same answer for both of them. trying to shift it. In the meanwhile Shri Hem Barua: Sir,usually we the points of view raised by the do not allow the Ministers to read West Bengal Government have also out statements that are placed on to be taken into consideration and the Table of the House because it therefore we have been proceeding in will be wastage of time. this matter rather cautiously. Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: I am not Shri B. EL Das: What other place 9 were considered for headquarters reading out that statement. and if they have been given up— Mr. Speaker: The complaint is that why? in answer to question No. 316, the Shri Alagesan: Originally, the Cor written statement put under question poration thought of Ranchi as a pos No. 345 is being read. sible headquarters but it was given up at an early stage. In addition to Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: That is Maithon, Panchet also was thought different, Sir . . . (Interruptions,) of as a possible place for headquarters and in fact they wanted to have the Mr. Speaker: Perhaps these words headquarters in both the places. are also there . . . ( Interruptions). Panchet also has now been given Now, let us hear him. Unless^ the up and Maithon, being a very answer is complete, how can we central place served very well by judge things. communications, that has been select ed. Shri M. K. Kumaran: May I know + whether there will be any gain in f *0 *TTo . money apart from the increased faci V j Ho Tfo STCRT : lities by this transfer? } ? o f O z m : Shri Alagesan: It is not a question of financial gain it is a question of facility of operation. Maithon being W TH* ^ f^TT a central place it will be better for the DVC headquarters to be there. for 1 That is the more important thing. (*f>) HdfW) Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Question No. 316. tTTT ^ o^ci^i £f tot g f | Shri S. M. Banerjee: Question No. 345 may also be taken up. , Mr. Speaker: Question No. 345 ; may also be answered alongwith this. (^r) w v f The Deputy Minister in the Minis try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama- f t I f^T TT^qff ?T swamy): (a) There are about 19,000 unmanned level crossings . . . Shri S. M. Banerjee: Which ques % ^T r; tion is he answering? 1885 Oral Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SA K A ) Oral Answers 1886 (*T) (a) whether a decision has been taken to convert the unmanned gates TT^ff TTTT W +l<^ t ; into reguar gates to avoid further ^TFT VTTvPT accidents; and ft | ? (b) the total number of such gates in the country? («ft * o The Deputy Minister in the Ministry TFR^TPft) I (q>) ^ft *f of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): f^RT % m W l \ 5. , ° 0 o ^RTIT (a) and (b). There are about 19,000 unmanned level crossings (excluding | 1 *rtftnff % fcnr *rc cattle crossings) on Indian Railways. # ^TR'TR 5TTfo?T ^ | I ^ SPft «W I srfV ^r | it s t ft ^nrrr | for ifcS ^ ^ t q r f I w^ft ^rt ^r ^ r tj- ^ ^rq'M forqT ^ eft *ncft | *ftr ^ r ^ ^ t fow ^t «nrt 3ttt ?r^t fw r ^ i f t s r r ^ % s t r s s ft r ^ t Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: The hon. ftaT | ? zrf^ ^t; * n * W H f t o : ? m f ^ «ft TTTOTPT?* : SparST *T^T, % ^ r t fo qf tftfa^r tft *ft | i *TFRto vTq^f^t ^sfY eft JT5^ r*H& % ?flr ^ ^rt f|?ft ft «*t H o srjo fy?Kt: tot qpT?ffa ^ T T M\?& I ^ rft ^rt jffijR | for w$t ^ r ^i *ft fonp I for ^ STTfV *flT < 3^ p TT^p W m * cf^r t for *ifa«i q r forcr q r ^ r «tt ^ ?rrf ^rfr ^rq> ^ *aft «ff *fh: srcft w r *rfr ^ r m t § *ft 5^r ? rrf r f k ^fr^ff ^ r w ’ T f ? ftr tsrcr qr iTFPfhr sqTT^t *ft #§ £ ^Tt: ^ % f^ % ^sfrrc * m ft^t-ft^t ^ *T$, 3Tfo TRH fW ferr ?fk ^irt ^rt T^t i sq^Nt tft *mft t ?t fttf ? «ft TT*}w « f t t w w p f 4 : ^ rfr ^ p r eft , Tfo *n© far^t: ^ ^gpr ^r^[T ^Tfttfor^%ftTjf%g^i ^ for ^TT q f w *Tft I ? q f $ ^T ^TFT^fhr ^ m t ^it ^ ^tffit ^ r r ff Shri S. C. Samanta: Is it not a fact that some State Governments have sft w |^r *r £ i agreed to bear the initial expenditure and not the recurring expenditure? w r w t H f t o r : * r r r ^rrr Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: We have no ^ ?mr ^T+^ft % ^ ^t such information. We shall welcome ^ft i ^ ^ ?rf, wfaq- even that suggestion. t i ^nrrr ^TfwT ^ Shri S. M. Banerjee: I am putting a question arising from the answer to H o m o f o r ^ r ^ «ft fH ^ t Question No. 345. In the statement, it s n ^ r%frzht^t^r, ^ n r Is said that the Madras High Court, 1889 Oral Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Oral Answers 1890 in a recent case of an accident at an one police constable at every level unmanned level crossing, opined that crossing; and, if so, how far the State it is impossible to expect the railways Governments have agreed to it? to provide for gate and gatemen . . Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Some States Mr. Speaker: When the facts are have been addressed by the Railways stated in a written statement extracts in this matter, but we have not re out of it need not be read, because the ceived any reply yet. Minister has filed that statement and he knows what the position is. So, Mr. Speaker: Though it is none of the hon. Member may put the question my business, I would like to point out straight. one thing here. In America, I have found, a notice board is put up saying Shri S. M. Banerjee: Yes, Sir. I can that if any vehicle has to cross an un save my time also. I want to know manned railway level crossing, whe whether this judgment of the Madras ther there is any train coming or not, High Court will be contested by the it must come to a dead stop there and Government in the larger interests of then proceed. That is the rule in saving human lives from accidents every advanced country. That is the arising out of unmanned level cros rule in West Europe, in America and sings. other countries. Can’t we adopt it Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: As a matter here? of fact, we carried out a survey of all the important unmanned level Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: As a matter crossings which should be manned. We of fact, we are proposing to the State found about 1,100 of them necessary to Governments to put up “Stop” sign be manned. We have asked in some boards. Wherever there are “caution” cases the State Governments to parti boards, we are requesting the State cipate in the cost, both initial and Governments to put up “Stop” boards. recurring. They have not co-operated Shri Hem Barua: Sir, I have not with us. been able to understand certain thin Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Sir, I used question. I am not going to allow the word ‘co-operating’ in the broad him. sense. It only means that we have made certain proposals and the res Shri Sonavane: So many others who ponse is not there. did not sponsor the question were given a chance to put supplementariesi Shri Hem Barua: Sir, I want your ruling about his statement that English Mr. Speaker: That is not lair on hia is an associate language. part. I have not been partial to any body. Mr. Speaker: I did not think any answer was necessary. The hon. Mem Shri Sonavane: I got up several ber already knows it. times and still I could not catch your eye. Shri Sham Lai Saraf: In view of the fact that both railway traffic and the Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Let us go traffic on the road have immensely to the next question. increased, may I know how long the Government will allow things to go Encouragement to Sportsmen among on like this? Why should not the Railway Employees Railway Department themselves spon sor the necessary schemes or in colla + boration with the Road Transport f vShri S. C. Samanta: Authorities? ♦317 J Shri Subodh Hansda: " *] Shri B. K. J>as; Shri S. V # Ramaswamy: As the hon. I Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Member put it, the road traffic itself has increased. Therefore, partly it is Will the Minister of Railways be the responsibility of the Road Trans pleased to state: port Authorities also to participate in (a) whether any encouragement is these things. given to sportsmen among the Railway employees for further improvement in Shri A. P. Jain: Sir, the answer sports and games; given by the Deputy Minister for Rail ways to one of the supplementaries is (b) if so, the nature of encourage rather surprising. He said that one ments and facilities given; and truck and one bus stopped on the track (c) how many persons have been and did not move. Were they mad given such facilities in the last of men or did they want to commit sui current year? cide? Has any enquiry been made about that? Has any action been taken The Minister in the Ministry of against them? Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Yes. >1 Mr. Speaker: Is the reference to the Minister? (b) The folowing facilities and encouragements are given to sports Shri A. P. Jain: Not to the Minister, men: but to the drivers of the truck and (i) Grant of special casual leave bus. to participate in recognised Some hon. Member rose— tournaments; Mr. Speaker: Next Question—Shri (ii) Supply otf kit to participate in Samanta. tournaments. In addition spe Shri Sonavane: Sir, I got up and cial kit allowance is given sat down several times, and I could to those railwaymen who not get a chance to put a supplemen represent the country abroad; tary. (iii) Issue of free passes to parti Mr. Speaker: He has not sponsored cipate in recognized tourna the question and he takes up another ments; 1893 0ral Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA ) Oral Answers 1894 (iv) Sportsmen of outstanding SfsNi merit are considered each year along with other Railway f a Ml ^iia 1 ^ I ^ ^di4) q (c) It is not possible to specify the Shrimati Savitri Nigam: May I know number of sportsmem who have been the total amount set apart by all the given such facilities in the past. A railways? large number of railwaymen avail of Shri Shahnawaz Khan: No definite the facilities referred to above. amount is earmarked as such. We Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know leave it to the different railways to how many teams were sent recently decide. for the Olympic Games? Mr. Speaker: Shri Basumatari. Shri Shahnawaz Khan: Railways did Shri M. L. Dwivedi: This is the not send any teams as such but they point on which I seek information. formed part of the Indian contingent. Mr. Speaker: Even though I do not *to m o fysrct : snfr permit him? ^ 5TcMim fa ivrrtzz Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Then I will re sume my seat. ^ T O ^TfcTr | fa qft- Shri Basumatari: In view of the ^rr^r fa*r spft ^ t o f t snff fact that there is a similar scheme for the encouragement of sports under sffr % f^r % f^r the Ministry of Education, may I know ^ fa^ ft srcrrfcT Proffer % ? whether there is proper co-ordination between the railways and the Minis try of Education? ^ | f, ^rfar Shri Shahnawaz Khan: We look after our own sports by setting apart a ^rr ^ ^ % fa *ft sfcefc certain amount of money. Whenever f ^ f 1 we need assistance from the Ministry 1895 Oral Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Oral Answers 1896 of Education, we avail ourselves of have b een completed; those facilities. We also send people (b) if so, the findings thereof; and to the National Institute of Sports at Patiala. (c) whether the reports of the in quiries will be laid on the Table? ifo cTTo 3TFHT The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): if Sfftf «TTOfsT fastf far ^ % eft *ft (a) The Additional Commissioners of tfi*fK°T •i'-dri snfc w r r f ^ Railway Safety, Calcutta and Bom bay, who held statutory enquiries into ^ ^ ? s^ PiAi m r ^r*tt these accidents, have submitted their far ^ *rr Preliminary Reports. 3 *th *t S fiRTtfV «T?TTlftT (b) According to the Provisional P T * r tP5r Shri Shahnawaz Khan: About half sft HVcT 3T5FT : MfaFT, *jir a dozen. ^J^TT ^ ^ 4>plXI 3f£5FT % Railway Accidents at Andal and Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: The stop Shri Surendra Pal Singh: In view page of a train is not such an easy of the fact that a £reat scarcity of thing. The visibility, according to milk has arisen in and around Ghazia- the Report, was very clear for over a bad and other small towns of Meerut furlong. He could see and yet in the District because of the Delhi Milk face of an approaching train this bus Scheme purchasing milk in those driver. . . . areas, may I know, why are arrange ments not being made by the autho Mr. Speaker: Even after he had rities to start a big dairy farm of collided with the train the driver did their own in Dilhi so that the people not apply the brakes and stop the living outside Delhi are not deprived train. of their supply of milk? Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: Naturally there would be a drag before the Shri Shinde: The non. Member’s train comes to a stop. contention that the surrounding areas are being drained of milk supplies Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: He has because of the Delhi Milk Supply just now said that the Report has been Scheme isf according to my humble submitted. Our information is that submission, not correct. A survey was a large number of people have been conducted in the year 1954 to find out killed and injured. So, I would like how Delhi City was receiving its milk to know what the report of their from the surrounding ;*reas and it was officer says about the death and in found that milk supplies were being juries caused in the Phulera accident. obtained from the surrounding areas in the same proportion as are being Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: The total procured at present even though Delhi number of dead is 26. has developed a lot during the last Some Hon. Members rose— six years. Mr. Speaker: We are having a dis Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: May I cussion on this and this could also be know if it is a fact that the plant of one of the points. Next question. the Delhi Milk Supply Scheme is not Delhi Milk Supply Scheme working to its full japacity at present and whether it is not a fact that it is, + therefore, not economical to work the f Shri Surendra Pal Singh: plant? In the light of these limitations I Shri Rameshwar Tantia: do.Government propose to extend this I Shri Warior: scheme? J Shri Vasudevan Nair: 1 Shri Bhagrwat Jha Azad: Shri Shinde: The initial target of I Shri Bhakt Darshan: the Scheme was to achieve the capa j Shri Bishanchander Seth: city of daily supply of 7,000 maunds [_ Shri Bibhuti Misra: of milk. That target was to be achieved by the end of the Third Will the Minister of Food and Agri Five Year Plan. So, it would not be culture be pleased to state whether correct to suggest that the target has there is a proposal under ihe consider not been fulfilled; but it would not a tion of Government to extend the be wise to extend this scheme to out Delhi Milk Supply Scheme to other side areas because at this stage it is satellite towns outside Delhi munici difficult even to meet the full require pal limits? ments of the city of Delhi. The Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Food and Agriculture (Shri SqT STRPT % Sh’nde): There is no proposal to ex «rpr % ^ m f | ^ tend the Delhi Milk Scheme to satel lite towns outside the Delhi Municipal sflr w r limits in the near future. srrc sfa 1899 ^ ral Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Oral Answers 1900 w t | *iw ^rr ^ qrafer *nrr ^ ft^r w t, eft w ^ t 5TRT % fa ? ^7: Tft | m v^nrr | fWT f% ^7^ f^^ft ®F ST^T^1 ^Plf^F ^ ^ ^ vn £ ^ t gPnrr q’frr ^rnr ? «tF<*w ? f w r r 5) ^ n w ? W «W : sfttf fer+RTcT Shri Shinde: By the end of the | % tfr f^ r *ffc*rrr ^ | T**iid iuve Year Plan it is expected that 7,000 maunds of milk would be ^tft qrr ^ ? supplied to the city every day; but Shri Shinde: Attempts are being * it is expected that even that supply made to procure more supplies from would not be adequate to satisfy the Rajasthan, Bikaner, etc. We are get needs of the city. The city is develop ting at present 200 maunds per day of ing very fast and it has been found cow’s milk. that the population of Delhi at present exceeds 2*4 million. Shri Surendra Pal Singh: May 1 know whether the existing arrange Shri Thirumala Rao: May I know ments for bringing cow’s milk and whether it is a fact that the quality buffalo’s milk separately are adequate of the milk has deteriorated recently and foolproof and there is no mixing and it is emitting an unwholesome of the two kinds of milk in transit? smell? Shri Shinde: The hon. Member’s Shri Shinde: Yes, Sir; adequate suggestion is not correct The quality measures are being taken to see that of the milk supplied is as good as the the two types of milk do not get mix milk supplied by any other milk ed up with each other. scheme in India. Marine Borers and Foulers in Hooghly Shri Warior: May I know whether the cost of the milk in surrounding + townships has increased because milk f Shri Warior: is being brought from those places to j .Shri Indrajit Gupta: Delhi? j Shri Vasudevan Nair: •320. ^ Shri M. K. Kumaran: Shri Shinde: No, Sir. I Shri P. K. Deo: «ft smrrcrife j Shri Narendra Singh Mahida: *?Ft*T % SRW tf sra ^F> f ^ f t JfiR «PT fWTT ?TPT m^TT | fjRT %z(% Will the Minister of Transport and Communications be pleased to state: ^ *f>t fftcft ^ iftx ^ft ^rraT !> t o - ^ fqd^ui «Ft zft^nrr (a) whether it is a fact that some ^Rff^TcT ^ t 3|T tf%*rt ? new species of marine borers and foulers have been discovered in the wwn : fe^fr ?Ft fcft % Hooghly; w m r ^ f r ^rreft left ?fh; ^ fr (b) whether any iliips have suffered ^ fernr tft ffft % damage or loss by their action; (c) reasons for the delay in their SOTlr ^ srrcrr W t f o discovery; and ^ ^ q^rrr snr 'EF^rrf f+^ri sit (d) measures being taken to remove I this danger to shipping? TTo TRT : ^ rr JTR^fcT ^ f t The Minister of Transport and Com W?t ^ l cf ^ m s t t t munications (Shri Jagjivan Ram): (a) The Zoological Survey of India ^THT % ^ ^>t *TRT T^t I have discovered a new species of 1901 Oral Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAK A) Oral Answers 1902 marine borers from the Sunderbans Shri Narendra Singh Mahida; May I Area. know how much time will be taken to remedy this ti-ouble? (b) The marine borers eat into the Shri Jagjivan Ram: It is very diffi wood work of Piles, Jetties and Posts cult to say, because so far as the to which they are a menace. Foulers borers are concemed> no remedy has attach themselves to bottoms of ships. been found up till now. Whether it Information regarding the damages will be found in the near future, it actually caused to ships by the marine will be very difficult to say. borers or other fouling organisms or loss suffered in the river Hooghly on C.H.S. Dispensaries in Delhi account of their action is not avail able. + f Shri Basumatari: *321. ^ Shri Rameshwar Tantia: (c) So far as the Zoological Survey L Shri S. M. Banerjee: of India is concerned there has been no delay in the discovery of the new Will the Minister of Health be species of marine borers and foulers. pleased to state: The material collected as a result of faunistic survey in the Sunderbans (a) the measures that have been was subjected to study and research taken or are proposed to be taken for promptly and the new species dis providing a convenient method o(f covered. treatment of the patients at the C.H.S. Dispensaries, Delhi in view of the (d) The Zoological Survey of India general complaint that the patients have not taken up work on the applied have to wait for long hours in queues aspect of the problem. Their Survey etc. before consulting doctors; is primarily concerned with the taxo nomy and biology of these organisms. (b) whether the attention of Gov These studies are, however expected ernment has been drawn to the fact to help in evolving measurps for the that the doctors take more interest in destruction of the marine borers and the patients from the colonies occu foulers. pied by high government officials and take little interest in the colonies in Shri Warior: Apart from the habited by clerks; and Hooghly river, may I know whether the Zoological Survey of India has (c) if so, what steps have been undertaken the survey of any other taken or are being taken by Govern parts and if so with what results? ment to check such a tendency? Mr. Speaker: Why should he jump The Deputy Ministef in ihc Minis out of the Hooghly river and go to try of Health (Dr. D. S. Raju); (a) other places now? There are enough The patients are not required to wait borers and foulers in Hooghly to deal for long period in queues before con with now. sulting the doctors. Shri Warior: In the statement, (b) No, Sir. Government have given full informa (c) Does not arise. tion about this survey in the Hooghly river. I want to know whether that Shri S. M. Banerjee rose—- survey has been extended to other Mr. Speaker: Shri Banerjee. places where the Fame danger is pre sent and if so, with what results? Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know Shri Jagjivan Ram: If any com plaint is received about the presence Shri Basnmatarj rose— of these organisms in other ports, a survey may be undertaken by the Mr. Speaker: As soon as the Deputy Zoological Survey of India. . Minister sat down, I looked towards I9°3 Oral Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Oral Answers 1904 him, bu t he did not rise. Now it is patients coming to the dispensaries on too late. an average? Shri Basumatari: But I arn head Dr. D. S. Raju: Each primary health ing the question. centre is supposed to look after 10,000 Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know of the population. It is true that the whether it is a fact that in certain work load has increased. In the year colonies there are no specific arrange in which the survey v/as conducted, ments and no specific time within the load was 140 for 1 doctor. Re cently, the staff has been increased and which a patient is attended to. Sup the work load has been reduced to pose a man goes at 9 A.M., he has to 100 wait till 12 . patients per day. Mr. Speaker: The question can be Shri Ansar Harvani: Is it a fact understood quite all right; he need that patients who come in cars are not give an illustration. given preference in examination to patients who come on cycles? Dr. D. S. Raju: Actually a survey Dr. D. S. Raju: No. has been conducted in 1960 in \w o periods of the year—February and Dr. L. M. Singhvi: Has the Minis October. According to this survey, ter conducted any personal assess they visited about 12 dispensaries and ment or surprise check of the func they have gone into the whole question tioning of these dispensaries, and if very thoroughly. They have found not, does he propose to do so now? out that in the month of October, there is heavy attendance because of the Dr. D. S. Raju: Does he mean the seasonal variation. A number of Ministry or the Minister? patients came and the average period Mr. Speaker: Minister, not the of stay or waiting was about 30 Ministry. He wants the Minister to minutes. In the month of February, earry out this. it was less than 26 minutes. That is the period which they had to wait be Dr. D. S. Raju: I have been actueely fore they could get their prescriptions doing this. answered. I do not think this is a long time considering the number of q o ^To ^ vSTTrfrfT patients. Dr. D. S. Raju: There is no shortage (d) and (e). A request was received of medicines so far as I know. These from the Government of Mysore and examinations also are conducted; they Import of two 10|12 MW Gas Turbine do not have to wait long. Units has been sanctioned for that State also. Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know if there is acute shortage of doctors in Shri Yallamanda Reddy: May I the C;H.S. dispensaries and if so, how know whether it is a fact that the many more doctors will be recruited? World Bank refused to give a loan to the Kothagudem gas turbines and Mr. Speaker: That he has answered. what is the other alternative proposal Shri Tulsidas Jadhav: May I know made by the Government? whether the Government has received Shri Alagesan: It is not a fact that any complaint from clerks and if so the World Bank refused to give a what is being done? loan. We are talking with it. about Dr. D. S. Raju: We have not receiv it. ed any complaint from the clerks. Shri Yallamanda Reddy: The hon. Minister was saying that they have Power shortage in Andhra Pradesh Siven foreign exchange of about Rs. 1 crore. I want to know in what way + f Shri Yallamanda Reddy: they have given and to what project j Shri Eish&nchander Seth: ‘.hey have sanctioned foreign ex *322. ^ Shri Kolia Venkaiah: change. J Shrimati . Shri Alagesan: It is an answer to a I Lakshmikanthamma: specific question. It refers to a pre Will the Minister of Irrigation and vious question. This is for installing Power be pleased to refer to the re two gas turbine units. Foreign ex ply given to Unstarred Question change for the purpose is Rs. 1 crore No. 2732 on the 7th June, 1962 and approximately. state: Shri Yallamanda Reddy: I want to (a) whether the request of the Gov know whether the Government have ernment of Andhra Pradesh has since Siven import licence. been considered; Shri Alagesan: We have issued ten (b) if so, the amount released for der specifications. foreign exchange; (c) how far it has solved the scar Dr. K. L. Rao: May 1 know whether city of power in that State; it is a fact that the amount of power per capita is the lowest and the scar (d) whether it is a fact that such city of power is the largest in Andhra kind of requests have been received Pradesh among all the States in South from other States also; and India, and if so, what steps are being *aken to make up this shortage? (e) if so. the names of the States and the reaction of Government there Shri Alagesan: These questions have to? been answered several times on the floor of the House, and the hon. The Minister of State in the Minis Minister had placed a detailed state try of Irrigation and Power (Shri ment regarding power shortage on the Alagesan): (a) Yes: Sir. Table of the House on the 30th April, 1962. All these questions have been (b) Rs. 1 crore (approximately). discussed in that statement, and the (c) About 20 MW additional power hon. Member knows about those will become available things. 1907 Oral Answers AUGUST !, 196 2 Oral Answers 190 8 Will 'SR'TRPt ^fFT % M fTOT ^TT TfT ^ I ^ fft^ T f fa ffo t I : qRTT WW TOT ffftr *nft ^ f ^TT% l^fT iTft9^T : 5R W vT ^ I ft? : «ft TlH5cjTl?T4 : A ^pft (^) WT ?Tf I fr frfa iffal *fTT^fT f I ?TPT 5 ?T ^ftfjTq' I ^jf*T ^TT (b) if so, by how much? tradicted this statement that we have engaged any professional lobbyist like The Parliamentary Secretary to the that? Minister of Food and Agriculture* Shri S. K. Patil: We have not en Shri Shinde: It is approximately operations? May I also know whe £41 per ton against quotas. ther in the meanwhile the doctors have directed not to perform these Shri Sham Lai Saraf: In view of operations until we know the penal the fact that there are refineries in liability arising therefrom? different countries of the world which aie interested in importing raw sugar, Dr. D. S. Raju: No, Sir. Actually will Government be interested in ex section 329 of the Penal Code lays porting raw sugar from our suiolu? down that vasectomy for therapeu stocks? tic purposes is not illegal. But sec Shri S. K. Patil: If countries want tion 88 gives a covering protection. raw sugar and if we have any sugar They say that if vasectomy operation to sell, surely it is in our interest is done for the benefit of the patient, that part of the sugar should be pro that is legal. Now vasectomy opera duced raw. tions are done for socio-economic reasons. It is felt by some people Family Planning that it is secondary and they should be penalised. But there is a differ + ence of opinion even among legal f Shri Pottekkatt: experts. Strictly speaking, when a J Shri A v * Raffhavan: vasectomy operation is performed Dr L. M. Singhvi: upon a patient after three or four I Shri Ravindra Varma: children, it is not only a socio-econo mic problem, but it also affects his Will the Minister of Health be health; so, that is the point. Legal pleased to state: opinion will be considered, but mean (a) whether Government are aware while we have asked our doctors to of the fact that doctors engaged ir. go on with the operations. conducting operations under the fami ly planning scheme can be proceed Dr. L. M. Singhvi: The reoly that ed under the Indian Penal Code, the hon. Minister has given shows that as a m atter'of fact, he does not con (b) whether Government have seen sider any further consideration of the the opinion of the West Bengal Legal legal implications to be necessary. Remembrancer on the above subject: and Mr. Speaker: He said that they will be considered. (c) if so, what steps Government propose to take to protect the doctors engaged in family planning? Dr. L. M. Singhvi: But thon he proceeded to give an entire opinion as The Deputy Minister in the Minis to the legality of the operations. try of Health (Dr. D. S. Raju): (a) to (c). Attention of the Government has Mr. Speaker: That aspect was being 1 been drawn to the opinion of the considered, but because the hon. West Bengal Legal Remembrancer Member wanted some interim mea according to which the sterilization sures to protect the doctors, he feels operations for socio-economic reasons that there is enough protection even are not strictly legal under the Indian now. Penal Code. The legal implicarious of the operations are under active Dr. L. M. Singhvi: That is what I consideration. am stating. In view of what the Minister has said, would the Minister Dr. L. M. Singhvi: When is it say whether they have entered into proposed to place before this House any correspondence with the person the legal implications of operations who gave this particular opinion as which may involve penal liability to why he considered that there would for the doctors Derforminn those be penal liability attaching to such 1913 Oral Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA ) Oral Answers 1914 operations, if the Government is al Mr. Speaker: If Shri Warior wants ready in consultation with the per to understand what question Swamiji son; then, whether the Government has put in respect of family planning, thinks that in case it is found that he wants complete abstinence, he says it is not for the benefit cf the person brahmacharya. , concerned, it would still protect the doctor performing the operation? It may be a benefit in the long run but •ft TtW TH W : ^ ^PT e n m not an immediate benefit. I ftr ftRRt &T apt T Mr. Speaker: That would be the Dr. L. M. Singhvi: What I am sub Shri Hem Barua: In view of the mitting is that a very difficult situa fact that people are interested more tion is being created. in the spacing of births than in the Mr. Speaker: He should put his retarding of births ''itogether, and question. sterilisation operations retard birth, may I know what steps Government Dr. L. M. Singhvi: 1 will phrase it have taken to make cheaper and more very shortly. My question is whe effective contraceptives available to ther the Government have considered the people. that these operations must be found Dr. D. S. Raju: Vasectomy is only to be for the immediate benefit of the part of the family planning pro patient as contemplated by the law, gramme. There are other methods and if so, whether Government have which are advocated. issued any directions to the doctors to perform these operations only if they Production of Sugar come to that conclusion, or to seek advisory opinion if they sn choose? *328. Shrimati Renuki Ray: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture Dr. D. S. Raju: No. Sir. We have be pleased to state: advised the State Governments.... (a) whether it is a fact tnat the WWI5T : TcTUft 5ft Shri Shinde: The fall in the total (a) whether a 4-kilo tin of ghee production of world sugar is not surih purchased from the Parliament Sales as is likely to give an impetus to our counter of Delhi Milk Supply Scheme exports. But, our exports have in by a Meirfber of Parliament when creased due to some other reasons this opened was found to be filled with year. coconut oil; and Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: May I (b) if so, what Government propose know whether this fall in production to do in this regard? is the direct result of the Government's The Deputy Minister in the Ministry announcing the cut after the farmers had sown tiheir crops and their dama of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. ging them? Thomas): (a) No, Sir. The Minister of Food and Agricul (b) Does not arise. ture (Shri S. K. Patil): The fall is ^ flTPTft : *T ^TT entirely due to the restrictions that we had imposed. folT I Shri S. M. Banerjee: I want to w w w Ti-fT know whefRer this particular fall in sugar production in India will affect 73T l” the prices of sugar. Will they be Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: When the more or remain the same? tin which was complained to be filled with coconut oil by a Member of the Shri S. K. Patil: The prices are House and was given to the hon. governed by the releases that we Have Deputy Minister for examination was got. They have some relation with the examined, what was the result? Was internal production. But, we shall the ghee examined from the same tin take jolly good care that the prices or from some other tin? do not rise—by manipulating the re leases. Shri A. M. Thomas: The hon. Mem ber who handed over the ghee to me Shri D. D. Puri: Does this sugar did not positively state that it was include gur and khandsari sugars? adulterated or it contained coconut Shri S. K. Patil: This is not gur or oil. He had some suspicion. According khandsari; this is only crystal sugar. to him when cooked it smelt like coconut oil. Anyhow, I had the en Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: Do Gov tire ghee examined#and the report of ernment propose to continue the policy the laboratory and the test analysis of having a cuT and consequently a have shown that the sample conformed fall in the production of sugar? to the standard laid down under the Pure Foods Act of 1954; and the Shri S. K. Patil: That cut has been sample appeared to be a sample of so helpful that there will be no cut genuine ghee. necessary hereafter. Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: How do SHORT NOTICE QUESTIONS Government propose to guarantee the purity of ghee and milk from the Adulteration of Pure Ghee Supply Scheme? Do they have their own cows or do they get from con f Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: tractors from outside? How do they | Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: get the milk? S.N.Q. 3. { Shri Bagri: | Shri Inder J. Malhotra: Shri A. M. Thomas: We do not [ Shri Bhakt Darshan: get ghee from contractors. In fact, this ghee is produced from the sur Will the Minister of Food and Agri plus of milk we may have in winter culture Be pleased to state: period. This ghee is produced from Oral Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SA K A ) Oral Answers 19 18 the surplus cream. And, we also ghee produced or manufactured in make it a point that the entire pro the home because this ghee is pro cess is carried out under the super duced at a lower temperature. If it vision of a gazetted officer. The ghee is is heated beyond a particular tem being packed in taggar-top packed con perature the smell may be very pro tainers an? these containers can only minent and piercing. But the smell be opened by cutting the taggar. For of this ghee is not so pronounced. the information of the House, I may say that there is such guarantee of : TO *fr?T ST tfTOT § I. the purity of the ghee that is being supplied by the D.M.S. Scheme that ^ I far T t t X there haslteen increased demand from ?ft f t I the Members of Parliament; and I Eft % 5RFt sfr a fta r rer also understaK3 that the Members of Parliament are approached by out far*n | it siders also to get this ghee. vjrnft \ w rf^r f*ft | 1 | far tfr *tt i sft ^ tfHSidT f , S ra r sTfsr ^rr *fr spfr srcrfapr^ ^ m r | far ^ *ft *tt *rft ^ «ft 1 qT, «TTf^T^T % ^ tft ^ ^TTcft «ft 1 * Shri S.' M. Banerjee: I want to know whether "this public sector ghee is WWW *T|ftS*T : mfV/W % available only to the Members of cfr f r c t ^ Parliament and not to the public out side. 3f?^r ^rt *ft sntft *ft 1 Mr. Speaker: That does not arise «ft : ftTrTOT «pff out of this question: it relates to qua lity. He wants to ask about the *TRft, t o snrmt 1 quantity. sft : *T ^ SffVtfl'M VTTTT STTOt : STFRT ^ t^ tt i far sfi ^ a m w n *ptt far far 3Ft ^t *FTt «rr ^ «rr, rft 1 'Jft S faPTT ^ iT^nrfj- whr 5CT f a «rr 1 (a) whether the attention of Gov ernment was drawn to the' shortage www : jsfm efT t o of teleprinter tape at Indore Tele ^rfrFT ?rt ?ft vr^zfr *r ro graph Office which resulted in the non-clearance of hundreds of tele '3fT^ ? grams; «ft : TO V[ ^ 3TFT tf+dT (b) whether it is also a fact that most of the teleprinters are lying ^ ^rrr^fhT +1h f fa^r?r idle; ft^TT *TT I (c) if so, what measures Govern : t o | ^r ments have taken in the matter; and v V I (d) what is the general position of stocks of teleprinter tape in the sft TOT : sftir^r, 4 5TPTRT country? ^T?cTT i ^T TO The Deputy Minister in the Minis W F m T «*T ? try of Transport and Communications (Shri Bhagavati): (a) Yes, there was Mr. Speaker: Under Rules 41, no diminution of stock below the name is to be brought in unless it is minimum. No telegram was held up. necessary to make the question intelli gible. The question is otherwise suffi (b) No; only one circuit out of nine could not be worked on teleprinter ciently intelligible. Therefore, names for about ten days. need not be brought in. (c) Supply of tape has since been arranged. WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (d) There is a general shortage of tape in the country due to non-avai Beas Dam Project lability of base paper. Arrangements •323. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the have since been made to procure Minister of Railways be pleased to tapes from different sources. refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 54 on the 21st April, Central Health Cadre 1962 regarding Beas Dam Project and *329. Shri Hem Raj: Will the Min state: ister of Health be pleased to state: (a) whether the survey has since (a) the steps taken by Government been completed; and for the constitution of the Central (b) if so, the number and names of Health Cadre; the new stations and bridges to be (b) the number of persons who are built under the Divisional scheme? found eligible for it from the service The Deputy Minister in the Minis people; and try of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) Not yet, Sir (c) the causes for the delay in its constitution? (b) This will not be known till the survey, which is in progress, is com The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushlla pleted and the report thereon has Nayar): (a) The Scheme of the Cent been compiled. ral Health Service is being finalised in consultation with the Union Pub Shortage of Teleprinter Tape at lic Service Commission. 1 Indore *327. Shri Rameshwar Tantia: Will (b) The number of persons who are the Minister of Transport and Com found eligible for it from the service munications be pleased to state: people will be known only after the 1 921 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA ) Written Answers 1922 Central Health Service Cadre is con Agricultural Schemes stituted. f Shri M. K. Kumar an: (c) It was necessary to consult J Shri H. P. Chatterjee: •other Ministries concerned with the *332. Dr. Ranen Sen: matter, viz., Ministers of Finance and (^Shri Dinen Rhattacharya: Home Affairs, apart from the partici pating offices. The Scheme of the Ser Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state the vice was thereafter referred to the Union Public Service Commission for special measures proposed to be in eliciting their views. troduced by Government in order to speed UP the implementation of agri cultural schemes under the Third 'Contamination of Wheat Five Year Plan? f Shri Dasaratha Deb: J Shri A. K. Gopalan: The Minister of State in the Minis *330.-] Shri Umanath: try of Food and Agriculture (Dr Ram [_ Shri P. Kunhan: Subhag Singh): It is proposed to accelerate minor irrigation and soil Will the Minister of Food and qonjserfvation programmes further Agriculture be pleased to state: during the remaining years of the Third Plan. The availability of che (a) whether the attention of Gov mical fertilizers is also being gra ernment has (been drawn to the new dually stepped up from year to year. item “contamination of wheat sus Plant protection measures are also pected” appearing in the Statesman on proposed to be intensified. the 27th June, 1962 where it was alleged that 300 tons of wheat under Railway line from Pathankot to PL-480, which was then being un Jammu loaded, was suspected to be conta minated by insecticide; fS h ri Inder J. Malhotra: ) I Shri D. C. Sharma: (b) if so, whether any step was •333. ^ Maharajkumar Vijaya Ana- taken to investigate the matter; and | nda: Shri Ram Ratan Gupta: (c) if so, the result thereof? Will the Minister of Railways be The Deputy Minister in the Ministry pleased to state: t>f Food and Agriculture (Shri (a) the latest position with regard A. M. Thomas): (a) and (b). Yes, to the steps taken to extend railway Sir. But the wheat involved is Aus line from Pathankot to Jammu; and tralian wheat and not PL-480 wheat. (c) 1,108 tons of wheat in one of (b) the amount spent so far? the hatches got contaminated because The Deputy Minister in the Minis of the leakage of a drum of Pyridine try of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramas that was carried along with wheat. wamy): (a) A Railway line has al Weather Rockots ready been constructed from Pathan kot to Madhopur (Punjab), a distance •331. Shri Daji: Will the Minister of 9-45 miles. An extension of this of Transport and Communications be rail head beyond Madhopur to Ka- pleased to state whether it is planned thua, a distance of 5.40 miles, is to to launch weather rockets in India? hand. With a view to examine the traffic prospects of further projection The Deputy Minister in the Minis of this line beyond Kathua upto try of Transport and Communications Jammu Reconnaissance Engineering (Shri Mohluddin): Yes, Sir. and Traffic Surveys are in progren. 1923 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers (b) The cost of Pathankot-Madho- Railway Officers Entitled for Special pur (Punjab) rail link was about Carriages and Saloons Rs. 40 lakhs while the estimated cost of its extension from Madhopur to *335. Shri Yashpal Singh: Will the Kathua is Rs. 177.39 lakhs including Minister of Railways be pleased to the cost of an important bridge over state: the river Ravi. Of the latter amount, Rs. 49 lakhs were spent upto June (a) what are the categories of the 1962. Railway Officers who are entitled to travel in special carriages and saloons on their own Railways and on the Accident to Kalinga Airlines Dakota foreign Railways (other than the railway of their posting); f Shri D. C. Sharma: I Shri P. C. Borooah: (b) whether such officers are also I Shri Raghunath Singh: allowed to take their families while j Shri Ram Ratan Gupta: travelling in saloons; and *334. ^ Shrimati Maimoona Saltan: (c) if so, the reasons therefor? I Shri Indrajit Gupta: | Shri P. K. Deo: The Deputy Minister in the Minis L Shri Eswara Reddy: try of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): (a) All gazetted Railway officers are entitled to travel in Ins Will the Minister of Transport and pection carriages on their own rail Communications be pleased to state: way on duty. Senior Administra tive, Intermediate and Junior Admin (a) whether a Dakota aircraft istrative Officers only are entitled to« belonging to the Kalinga Airlines travel in Inspection carriages over crashed while on a supply dropping other zonal Railways on official duty. ^ mission in Assam on the 16th July, 1962; and (b) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the details of the accident (c) Railway Officers have to tour and the result of the enquiry insti extensively the areas under their tuted, if any? jurisdiction, and the privilege o f taking family (wife and children The Deputy Minister in the Minis only) has been in vogue from the try of Transport and Communications time railways started running in the (Shri Mohiuddin): (a) and (b). country. It is a fact that Kalinga Airlines Dakota aircraft VT-DFZ, while en Purchase of Rice from Burma gaged in supply dropping operations in NEFA Area, crashed at about 15.30 f Shri Raghunath Singh: hours 1ST on 16th July, 1962, one I Shri Pfokash Vir Shastri: mile north of Lohosphu Dropping *336. -< Shri Ram Ratan Gupta: Zone (Assam) at a height of approxi 1 Shri R. S. Tiwary: mately 6,000 feet A ll the nine per LShri Daljit Singh: sons on board the aircraft comprising one Pilot, one Co-pilot, one Radio Will the Minister of Food antf Officer, five ejection crew and one Agriculture be pleased to state: Supply Inspector were killed. The aircraft was completely destroyed by (a) whether India has recently impact and fire. bought Burmese rice; The accident is being investigated (b) if so, the quantity purchased by an officer of the Civil Aviation and price paid therefor; and Department. (c) turns of the agreement? 1925 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA ) Written Answer 1926 The Deputy Minister in the Minis (*r) ^rr # tt try of Food and Agriculture (Shri if ftrcH ^ fe^fr sfrc A. M. Thomas): (a) No negotiations for purchase of rice have been held if sptf tot since July 1962. (m ) ^r, Tips to Hotel Waiters (*t) ^ ^ ^ yn S Shri vidya Charan Shukla: ‘ \ Shri Bihhuti Mishra: Will the Minister of Transport and (*T) W ^Tf tR Communications be pleased to state: for^rr ^ rm- isw v-Tta ^ n r (a) the nature of the views con «FT fo^RT ^FT T^TT ? veyed by hotels over the suggestion of the Department of Tourism about e w fawcT # ttht levy of a 10 per cent ‘service charge’ for distribution amongst the hotel : (*?) 3ft, I workers so that tourists are not pes tered for tips by individual workers; ^ fvPTT WT ^ for !' (b) Government’s reaction thereto; it 5TR^T Tjlr % qT^t qrr and f^TVRT TRTt gKT fTfaT ^Tf^tr (c) the decision, if any, taken in fo> ^TR TT 5RT^fT the matter? *TT?ft rfo ^ ^ f^T^RfV The Minister of Shipping in the Ministry of Transport and Communi | ^ *T fV ^FTHT % cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) '5TPTT 1 ^ forqr The Managing Committee of the w | for s srk ^ t o ^rrfwr Federation of Hotel and Restaurant Associations have conveyed their f^TTT ^ for? T agreement with certain reservations mfojrTT fftft ^rrf^- to the proposal made by the Depart ment of Tourism that the collection it qrfc ^ pfm of Service Charge levied on hotel ^ w rerr ^ it i bills should be distributed among the staff. ( it) ^00 fTOrrr stott (b) The Tourist Department are at «Ff o^TT^T’T ^ rM‘ present examining the views offered RT ^TRT *FTT ^ I 'TRft RT by the representatives of the Hotel *t»r (?rP5nr) ^ Federation. (c) The final decision has not yet been taken. it | **THT »fo t: (^ ) w r ^ flTcr ^TTJRT ^ 0 VilIT H w w foanrf j ^TRT ^ ^ for^RT ^TT t, waft sft t:«TT ^ for : pfJFT r4nflr for^T ^TPTT I I 1927 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers Navigation in Canges (c) While it is a fact that fumes, *339. Shri Nath Pai: Will the Minis smoke and smog which cause air ter of Transport and Communications pollution are injurious to health, be pleased to state: it has not been proved that this causes lu»g cancer. (a) whether Government have en tered into any agreement with a West Production of Raw Sugar German firm for developing the Ganges river as a navigable channel *341. Shri Umanath: Will the between Calcutta and Allahabad; Minister of Food and Agriculture be (b) if so, details of the agreement; pleased to state: (c) steps taken by Government to (a) whether it is a fact that Gov implement the agreement; and ernment are considering the feasibi (d) whether Government have also lity of change-over from refined sugar agreed to ply barges on the Ganges? to raw sugar; The Minister of Shipping in the (b) if so, whether any decision Ministry of Transport and Communi has been reached in the matter; cations (Shri Raj Bahadur) (a) No, . Sir. (c) the details thereof; and (b) and (c). Do not arise. , (d) the reasons that prompted consideration of such change-over? (d) The Ganga Brahmaputra Water Transport Board is running push- The Deputy Minister in the Minis towing services on the Buxar-Raj- try of Food and Agriculture (Shri mahal section of the river Ganga by A. M. Thomas): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. employing tugs and barges. A scheme It has been decided to manufacture to transport coal by road from the about 2 lakh metric tons of raw sugar Bengal Bihar fields to Mokameh Ghat during the season 1962-63. This is and therefrom by river upto Allaha only about seven per cent of the bad by making use of power-vessels total crystal sugar production in the and barges is also under study in the country per annum. Ministry of Mines and Fuel. (d) A number of important import Incidence of Lung Cancer ing countries require raw sugar for refining in their local refineries. In *340. Dr. L. M. Singhvi: Will the order to step up sugar exports and Minister of Health be pleased to state: make it a regular feature, it has, (a) what is the incidence of lung therefore, become necessary to pro cancer in India; duce raw sugar in India. (b) the medical opinion regarding its specific causes in India; and (c) whether pollution of atmosphere * «ft : WT is also considered a contributory frqT for : factor in India? The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushi- (^7) (*r) *ft | fa iz& zti € t m t e v far? ^?r fa^an^f ^ fa ^ r % ^rqT v ,'>iet' (c) if so, the details of the proposed Telephone Rates scheme; (d) whether any experiment Is •349 * \ / ShriDr‘ L* Basumatari: M SblffhVi: being made towards it; and Will the'Minister of Transport and (e) if so, £he details thereof? Communications be- pleased to state: The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila (a) whether there is a move to re Nayar): (a) No, Sir. consider and revise the telephone rates, particularly with a view to en (b) and (c). Do not arise. hance cftSrges for hire and local calls in the near future; and (d) No, Sir. (to) if so, the reasons necessitating (e)'D oes not arise. such a move? 19 33 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA ) Written Answer 1934 The Deputy Minister in the Ministry Gorafchpur were contacted on phone to of Transport and Communications alerfnall concerned to intimate if there (b) IT so, when and where it was found and in what condition; and * W . Tnrssrrrc*? : w r (c) what help was rendered by Government to trace the missing Dakota? fa .* The Deputy Ministry in the Minis (ifr) W qrr t fa ggffrfrf try of Transport and Communications (Shri Mohiuddin): (a) to (c): I lay a srafaft snhft ft 5! statement on the Table of the House giving the requisite information. (^ ) vfk i\. ft Statement ^ft^TT fatf ft ?Tft A Dakota of the Royal Nepal Air lines with six passengers on board and a crew of 4, on a scheduled service from Kathmandu to Delhi, was re (*T) qfc ft tft ported missing at 1530 hours 1ST on | rff 3 ? ^ Wrff^cT ft the 1st August, 1962. After extensive aerial and ground search by the Indian s r m t ? as well as Nepalese authorises its wreckage has been located on 9th #?ttt h s q - August, 1962 near Dhorpatan in Nepal. irft («ft tPTOft) : ( s p ) vjft ^ I The estimated time of arrival at the Safdarjung Airport was intimated ( ^ ) sr^T f t 5T^t 333T I to be 1530 1ST. When the aircraft did not land, 'SOS signals were sent out by the Delhi Area Control Centre to (*T) ^Tff *Tft ?ft 3^ t 1TFT a number of aerodromes within Delhi | ff^fr sftr Flight Information Region. The Chief s ft ft w ft ^ft swfirer farr Commissioner and D.I.G. Police, Delhi 'r n v i i and District Magistrates, Bareilly and ^TTrTT ^ I 1935 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers I93& Vana mahotsava (iv) Trees which are on the verge of falling are given proper f Shri D. C. Sharma: support by providing sticks J Shri M. L. Dwivedi: and where the trees bend on *352 J Shri S> C* Samanta: one side they are protected * Shri Subodh Hansda: by providing ropes. J Maharajkumar Vijaya L Ananda: U.K.-India Liner Conference Will the Minister of Food and Agri *353. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will culture be pleased to state: the Minister of Transport and Com munications be pleased to state: (a) wheher the 13th Vanamahotsava (a) whether it is a fact that U.K. observed this year has been a success; and India Liner Conference was held; and (b) if so, the number of trees plant ed in Delhi and the number out of (b) if so, what will be the percent them which have been destroyed; and age of Indian shipping in the line? (c) the steps that have been taken The Minister of Shipping in the or are proposed to be taken to save Ministry of Transport and Communi the trees from stray cattle, natural cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) and calamities and unplanned felling in (b). Discussions took place recently future? between the representatives of the Indian and British lines for arriving The Minister of State in the Minis at an agreement on the future share try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. of the respective lines in the pool Ram Subhag Singh): (a) As planta quota in the IndiajU.K.|India trade. tion work is still in progress in differ It has been agreed that subject to ent parts of the country, it is too certain allied issues being settled early to estimate the extent of success satisfactorily the share of the Indian of the 13th Vanamahotsava. lines will be raised to 39-475 per cent, from 1st September, 1962 and 40-475 (b) So far 7,091 trees have been per cent from 1st January, 1963 and planted. Tree plantating work is still thereafter it will be increased on an in progress. The number of trees annual escalation of 1 per cent to destroyed cannot be ascertained yet. 48-475 per cent by 1st January, 1971, which will give Indian shipowners (c) The following steps are taken complete parity with the British ship in this direction: owners. A formal agreement bet (i) On roads, irrigation channels ween the parties is expected to be and tracks, trees are protect signed shortly. ed either by providing tree guards made of drums or tree Private Air Companies guards made of bricks or masonary work; 726. Shri Sham Lai Saraf: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi (ii) Trees are also protected by cations be pleased to state: planting in pits surrounded by (a) the number of companies with circular trenches; their names which are engaged in civil aviation within the country at (iii) During the cold season trees present; are protected by providing grass covers and in hot season (b) type of aircraft these companies by providing adequate water use and operate on their prescribed ing; routes; and 1937 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA ) Written Answer 1938 (c) whether these companies also Wagons for Rice Mill Owners in use Cargo (CARGO) aeroplanes for Tanjore carrying goods? 727. Shri M. K. Kumaran: Will the The Deputy Minister in the Minis Minister of Railways be pleased to try of Transport and Communications state: (Shri Mohiuddin): (a) Presumably the information is required in regard (a) whether the attention of Gov to the companies operating air trans ernment has been drawn to *he diffi port services within the country. The culties experienced by the Rice Mill position is that since the passing of Owners in Tanjore and consumers the Air Corporations Act in 1953, elsewhere due to short supply of scheduled air transport has been wagons to move hulled rice from the nationalised and domestic air services mills; and are being operated by the national carrier, viz. Indian Airlines Corpora (b) if so, what steps have been tion. In addition, the following taken to improve the position? other companies hold permits for non scheduled operations: The Deputy Minister in the Minis try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama 1. Air Survey Company of India swamy): (a) Yes. A representation Ltd. has been received saying that the' 2. Airways (India) Ltd. supply of wagons to the Rice Mills in 3. Aviation Service. Tanjore was inadequate. 4. Bharat Commerce and Indus (b) Loading of rice from Tanjore tries Ltd. District during the period from Janu 5. Darbhanga Aviation. ary to May, 1962 wtis normal. How 6. Jamair Company (Private) ever, there was drpp in loading dur Ltd. ing June and July, 1962 due to con centration on loading of salt. 7. Kalinga Airlines (Private) Ltd. Southern Railway has been directed (b) Indian Airlines Corporation to step up the loading of rice. operate Dakota, Fokker Friendship, Development of Fisheries Skymaster and Viscount types of air craft. The non-scheduled operators 728. Shri Sarkar Murmu: Will the mainly operate D^otas for charter Minister of Food and Agriculture be^ flights. However, Air Survey Com pleased to state: pany of India Limited, Aviation Ser (a) the total amount provided to vice and Darbhanga Aviation have the Government of West Bengal for Domine, Auster and Bonanza respec fisheries under Third Five Year "‘Ian; tively. Air Survey Company of India Limited are engaged in a special type (b) whether the West Bengal Gov of work, viz. aerial survey, while ernment asked for more sum from the Aviation Servico mainly do _rop- Centre; and spraying work. Bharat Commerce and Industrie? Limited utilise their (c) if so, whether the Central Gov- * aircraft for the movement of their ernment have considered to allocate own executives. more funds for West Bengal? (c) The aircraft of Airways (India), The Deputy Minister in the Minis Darbhanga Aviation, Jamair Company try of Food and Agriculture (Shri and Kalinga Airlines as well as of A. M. Thomas): (a) Rs. 204*83 lakhs. Indian Airlines Corporation are Tbeing (b) No. used both for passenger and cargo flights. (c) Does not arise. -1939 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers Train Accidents (d) and (e). In only one case viz. (~ Shri Sarkar Murmu: that of Dumraon accident, a judicial I Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: enquiry was ordered. The enquiry is 729. ^ Shri Gulshan: in progress. ] Shri Buta Singh: Telegraph Link between Bikaner— L Sliri Tulsidas Jadhav: Hanumamigarh Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to state: 730. Shri Kam i Singhji: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi (a) the number of train accidents cations be pleasied; Ito refer to the occurred in 1962 uptodate; reply given to Unstarred Question No. (b) the causes of such accidents; 46 on the 14th March, 1962 and state (c) the total loss of human lives whether a decision has since been and the other casualties incurred due taken to provide a direct telegraph to those accidents; link beween Bikaner and Hanuman- garh? (d) in how many cases judicial cn- quiries have been made to probe into The Depuy Minister in the Ministry the causes of the accidents; and of Transport and Communications (e) what were the findings of such (Shri Bhagavati): Direct working be enquiries? tween Bikaner and Hanumangarh has since been introduced. The Deputy Minister in the Minis try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama Quarters for P&T Dcptt., Bikaner swamy): (a) The number of train accidents for the period from January 731. Shri Kami Singhji: Will the 1962 to July 1962 is given below: Minister of Transport and Communi Collisions and Derailments cations be pleased to refer to the involving passenger trains . 132 reply gien to Unstarred Question No. Collisions and Derailments 141 on the 19th March, 1962 and state involving other trains . 693 whether land has since been made Trains running into road available for the construction of ad traffic at level crossings . 124 ditional quarters for the staff of Posts Fires in trains . . 151 and Telegraphs Department at Bikaner? Total 1,100 The Deputy Minister in the Minis (b) Failure of Railway staff . 436 try of Transport and Communications Failure of other than Rly. (Shri Bhagavati): No. Efforts are be Staff .... 110 ing made to secure a suitable site. Failure of Equipment :— ('») Mechanical . . 83 Development of Fisheries (*>) Track . . . 28 732. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the (c) Electrical . . 18 Minister of Food and Agriculture be Sabotage or tampering with pleased to state: track .... 8 Accidental . . . 100 (a) the total number of fishery Causes could not be estab tanks under the Tripura Administra lished .... 42 tion and under the Tripura Territorial Cases subjudice or not yet Council; finalised .... 275 (c) The casualties involved in these (b) the total amount of money accidents were as under: — spent for developing these fisheries during last 5 years ending in 1961; Killed . 180 and Injured:— Grievous 136 (c) the total amount of fish produc Minor 574 ed during the above period? 1941 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA ) Written Answers 1942 The Deputy Minister in the Minis The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushlla try of Food and Agriculture (Shri Nayar): (a) and (b). Water Supply A. M. Thomas): (a), (i) Tripura Ad Schemes for Agartala Town and out ministration. ... 199 tanks. lying Sub-Divisional Towns have been included in the Third Five Year Plan (ii) Tripura Territorial Council.. of Tripura. Nil (b) Rs. 10.02 lakhs. (c) Yes. (c) About 7,659 maunds. (d) In so far as Agartala Water Cooperative Societies, Tripura Supply is concerned, roughly about 75 per cent of the work has been com ™ f Shri Dasaratha Deb: pleted. In regard to the Water Supply 4 ' \Shri Biren Dutta: Scheme for the outlying Sub-Dvi- sional Towns, the preliminary investi Will the Mnister of Community gation and estimation work has been Development, Panchayati Raj and completed. Cooperation be pleased to state: Platforms and Passenger Sheds on (a) the total number of cooperative E. Ralway societies in Tripura closed down year by year during the last five years ending in 1961, due to unsound 735. Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: Will financial condition; the Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (b) steps taken to revitalise societ ies, before they are closed down; and (a) the stations in H. B. Chord Section/ of Eastern Ralway which (c) the number of societies thus re have no platforms and sheds for vitalised during the same period? passengers; and H ie Deputy Minister in the Minis (b) what is Government’s plan to try of Community Development, Pan- construct (platforms and passengjer chayati Raj and Cooperation (Shri sheds at those stations Shyam Dhar Misra): (a) to (c). In formation is being collected and will The Deputy Minister in the Minis be laid on the Table of the House try of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz shortly. Khan): (a) All the twenty Stations on the Howrah - Burdwa n Chord Sec Urban Water Supply Scheme in tion are provided with platforms—18 Tripura stations with high level and two with rail level. 734. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: The following eleven stations are not provided with shed over plat (a) whether any scheme for Urban forms: Water SupDly have been included in Belanagar. Gobra, Begampur, the Third Five Year Pl&rx of Tripura; Mirzapur-Bankipur, Balaram- (b) if so, what are those schemes; bati, Madhusudanpur, Porabazar, Hazigarh, Jhapandanga, Naba- (c) whether any such schemes gram and Pal la Road. have been taken up for implementa tion; and (b) It is proposed to provide high (d) if so, how far these schemes level platforms and covered passenger have been implemented? sheds at all stations on this suburban 1477 (Ai) LS—3 1943 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1944 section, starting wth the platforms ther steps taken to implement the dealing with Peak traffic, the progress mam recommendations of the being dependent on- the availability of National Health Survey and Planning' funds. Committee concerning the Central Government? Rural Drinkng Water Schemes in Punjab The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila. Nayar): After examination of the re commendations of the Health Survey 736. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the and Planning Committee certain ten Minister of Health be pleased to tative decisions have been, taken. The state: State Governments and the other Central Ministries concerned have addressed where necessary. Some o f (a) the amount of grant asked for the recommendations are still under by Punjab Government from the scrutiny. grant-in-aid sanctioned by the Centre for the approved Rural Drinking Water Schemes; and Supply of Food grains to Deficit State» (b) how much grant has been sanc tioned for 1961-62 and 1962-63? f Shri Subodh Hansda: ™ J Shri S. C. Samanta: * ^ Shri B. K. Das: ' The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila I Shri M. L Dwived]: Nayar): (a) and (b). The Govern ment of Punjab did not specifically ask for Central assistance for the imple Will the Minister of Food and Agri mentation of Rural Dmking Water culture be pleased to state: Supply Schemes during 1961-62. Ac cording to the existing procedure for the release of Central assistance to the (a) whether there is any release o f States, allotment of funds is not made Central reserved food stocks to the scheme-wise but the amount is sanc deficit States in rice and wheat; tioned only at the end of each year far broad groups or categories of schemes. Three fourth of the total (b) if so, the total quantity released Central assistance allocated for a so far; and financial year is. however, released in lump sum ways and means advances to the State Governments in nine equal instalments during the course of (c) in which States it has been the year. In iew of his position, the released? question of sanctioning assistance for individual schemes does not arise. The Deputy Minister in the Minis National Health Survey and Planning try of Food and Agriculture (Shri Committee A. M. Thomas): (a) to (c). During the seven months from 1st January to / Shri D. C. Sharma: 31st July, 1962, about 4.54 lakh metric 737* \ S h ri P. R. Chakraverti: tons of rice and 18.47 lakh metric tons of wheat were issued from: Central stocks. A statement is Will the Minister of Health attached showing State-wise distribu be pleased to state the fur tion of these foodgrains. 194s W ritten Answers SRAVANA 25, 1&84 (SAKA) Written Answers 1946 S t a t e m e n t Statement slumping quantities of rice and wheat issued from central stocks to t'arioits recipients during the period from 1st January 10 31 u July, 1962 (In ‘000 metric tons) State Recipient Rice Wheat Total Andhra Pradesh 11 - 8 44 4 56 2 Assam lO1 1 53-7 63-8 Bihar 17-9 245-5 263-4 Gujarar i 8'3 6 94*9 Kerala . 151-3 1 5 1528 Madhya Pradesh Neg. 391 3 393 Madras 31-7 128 * 5 1602 Maharashtra 91-1 269 1 360-2 Mysore . 7.7 41 1 4 8 8 Orissa 6 0 20-4 26 4 Punjab 877 87*7 Raiasthan 122 12-2 Uttar Pradesh . 301-3 301'3 "West Bengal 367 374 3 411 -o Delhi . . 104 9 104-9 Himachal Pradesh Neg. 0 2 0-2 Jammu & Kashmir 7-5 6 8 14-3 Tripura 138 0 4 14-2 1I Andamans & Nicobar Islands 1 0 TO 2 0 Laccadive & Mahe Islands etc. . . 1 1 I • I Sikkim/Bhutan . 4 0 4-0 Pandichery 0 2 0-2 Goa . 5 0 5-0 NEFA, Naga Hills etc. 6-8 6-8 Defencc Services . • • ' 321 385 70-6 T o t a l 454-1 i ,847'4 2,301 5 1947 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1948 Brick Kilns in Delhi Movement of Coal on Sundays and Holidays f Shri P. K. Deo: 739. ^ Shri Narendra Singh f Shri B. K. Das: I Mahida: J Shri Subodh Hansda: 74e* Shri S. C. Samanta: Will the Minister of Health be I Shri M. L. Dwivedi: pleased to state: Will the Minister of Railways be (a) whether brick kilns in Delhi pleased to state: have been allotted any area in the Greater Delhi Plan; (a) in what colliery areas the work of coal loading is being carried on during Sundays and holidays; (b) if so, whether they are located in the green belt or in the industrial (b) whether any extra cost has to area; and be incurred for such work; and (c) what improvements in trans (c) if any space has been demar port of coal have been effected due cated for the operation of brick kilns to such work? in Delhi after the operation of the Delhi Land Reform Act, Delhi Pan- The Deputy Minister in the Minis chayat Raj Act, Delhi Development try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama Act and Delhi Restriction of Land swamy): (a) Loading is done on Uses Act? , Sundays and holidays in all colliery areas but the number of wagons The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila loaded during Sundays and holidays Nayar): (a) and (b). In the Master is less than the number of wagons Plan for Delhi it has been recom loaded on other week days parti mended that the brick kilns should cularly in the case of Korea-Rewa, be located half a mile away from the Pench & Chanda Singareni and Tal- urbanizable limits of 1981. cher coalfields. (c) There are no specific areas (b) Government is not aware of mentioned for brick kilns in the Land the details. Some collieries may Use Plan. The Plan merely indicates have to pay over-time according to a protective limit as mentioned in the Provisions of the Mines Act. reply to parts (a) and (b) of the (c) There has been some improve question above. In this connection it ment but there is room for greater is pointed out that the provisions of improvement since the loading on the Delhi Development Act, 1957 and Sundays and holidays is still less than the Rules and Regulations made the loading on other week days. thereunder have effect notwithstand ing anything inconsistent therewith Cooperative Farming contained in any other law excepting the Slum Areas (Improvement and f Shri B. K. Das: Clearance) Act, 1956 and that after J Shri Suhodh Hansda: the coming into operation of any of . T Shri S. C. Samanta: the Plans in a zone, no person can ^ Shri M. L. Dwivedi: use or can be permitted to use any land in that zone, otherwise than in Will the Minister of Community conformity with such plan. The pro Development, Panchayati Raj and visions of the Master Plan framed Cooperation be pleased to state: under the Delhi Development Act, 1957 are, therefore, supreme in this (a) which districts have so far been respect. selected for pilot projects in co 1949 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA ) Written Answers 1950 operative fanning under the Third As a general policy, the Railway con Five Year Plan; structs the bridge proper and the State Government constructs the (b) in which of them cooperative sloping approaches to the bridge. The farming societies have been organised; completion of these bridges depends, and therefore, on the State Government (c) in how many of these societies completing their portion of the work; there has been participation from and, as such, it is difficult to indicate Government in share capital? at this stage the number of schemes that would actually be completed The Deputy Minister in the Minis during the Third Plan period. try of Community Development, Panchayati Raj and Cooperation Minor Irrigation in Kerala (Shri Shyam Dhar Misra): (a) to (c). Statements I and II are laid on the 743. Shri P. Kunhan: Will the Table of the House. [See Appendix Minister of Food and Agriculture be I, annexure No. 75]. pleased to state: (a) the total acreage brought under Bridges proposed by Kerala minor irrigation in Kerala during the Government Second Five Year Plan; 742. Shri P. Kunhan: Will the (b) the total acreage stipulated to Minister of Railways be pleased to be brought under minor irrigation in refer to the reply given to Unstarred Kerala during the Third Five Year Question No. 620 on the 3rd May, Plan; and 1962 and state: (c) how many minor* irrigation (a) whether work on all the schemes have been carried out during seventeen over/under bridges proposed the Second Plan period? by the Kerala Government has started; The Deputy Minister in the Minis try of Food and Agriculture (Shri (b) if not, the reasons for the A. M. Thomas): (a) 134 lakh acres. delay; and (b) 1.92 lakh acres. (c) how many of these will be (c) Information is being collected completed during the Third Five Year and will be placed on the Table of Plan period? the Sabha as soon as received. The Deputy Minister in the Minis National Projects Construction try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama Corporation swamy): (a) to (c). Of the seventeen schemes for over/under bridges recom f Shri Subodh Hansda: mended by the Government of Kerala 744. J Shri B- K‘ Das: during the Third Five Year Plan, ] Shri S. C. Samanta: work on five briges is already in pro [ Shri M. L. Dwivedi: gress and expected to be completed Will the Minister of Irrigation and during the year 1962-63. Of the Power be pleased to state: remaining 12 schemes, seven have been included in the Railway’s Works (a) whether the objectives of set Programmes for 1962-63 and 1963-64, ting up of National Projects Construc as per the priority indicated by the tion Corporation by Government State Government. The balance five have been fulfilled; schemes would be included in the Works Programme for subsequent (b) if so, in what way; years, if the State Government also provide necessary funds in their own (c) whether it is a fact that several budget for their portion of the work. States have not participated in the 1951 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 195 2 venture of National Projects Con struction Corporation; f sft *0 rTTo fgni^V : (d) which States have not parti cipated; and J Ho «fo tfnro • (e) the reasons therefor? ] gwta : VteTT t t t t : The Minister of State in the Minis try of Irrigation and Power (Shri TO tfppnfiw fwrcr, THf Alagesan): (a) Partly. (b) The setting up of the Corpora f r : tion has in itself served a useful ( ^ ) frora purpose in that its very existence has created a psychological effect on the tendency of private contractors to snfe % ■JTrff, q f r ^ r quote high rates. The Corporation has been able to do quality work at reasonable cost. *HTTf5T TO t ; (^) fWRT T O if fror (c) Some States have not partici pated in this venture. q-r ^ W ^rrf¥r ^ fir to (d) and (e). The following States, which have not so far participated in («r) srsmrr ( w r *r) sfir the venture, were recently requested ( t m *r) % to reconsider the matter: % TO" f ; 1. Andhra Pradesh. ( * ) TO % 2. Gujarat. fscfhr ^ m ^ r f ^ r 3. Madras. tfOFK % ^TTO I qfe rft TO W r h R qr^c qnjr 4 Mysore. m ? 5. Maharashtra. Hpprfev qwrortTnctftr 6. Orissa. XfKTt *i^HU («ft *0 g o 7. West Bengal. *%) : (*) U ^ -c^ t wrjnfw While expressing their inability to ft^TRT, XT* ^TTfTHT participate at this stage due to finan q^rrwt cial stringency, the Government ©f Andhra Pradesh have promised to TR f^HTFT % ^Thrrfnrf qr g*TT ^ :— reconsider the matter at a future date *0 when their financial position improves. The Government of Orissa have set ( ? ) Pnrw up a similar Corporation of their %0x q^n^fr tt* - own, viz. the Orissa Construction Corporation. The Government of f^rapr] ^o ^rnsf Gujarat have recently agreed to ( ? ) fTHT7! % snfrr participate and contribute a sum of five lakhs of rupees towards the share srf^rarn- capital of the Corporation. ’T^TFT . ? * rTW Replies are still awaited from the remaining State Governments. 1953 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Written Answers 1954 Five Year Plan in Kerala, Mysore, (*) Assam, West Bengal and Maharashtra; < ? ) % *r (b) the amount allocated during Third Five Year Plan for this pur f w T O f pose, State-wise; ( 3 fWRT (c) the amount set apart for Erst f^TTJff STPCi fsRTT and second years of the Third Five Year Plan, State-wise; and *t*tt ^ (d) how much of the amount has (*T) °FT *W^m 3RTT% V tf been spent, State-wise? **T ^ ^>TT WffqFT Sf TT5H *n?FRT ?P The Minister of State in the Minis ^ n fT 5 T f ^ STTf*R ^ pCTT *TCT £ try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram ^f[T ^ ^ f^rra £PTT*ff STTT Subhag Singh): (a) The additional spff if four m r w * $ ir i area reported to have been brought under pepper during first and second ( * ) sr^jnfasF fsm fl f^rm^r year of the Third Plan is as under:— K ^ - V ? 3ifa r frfr?, frrcm (Area in acres) y^rfd ^t ^ r r fe n Tnrr *nrr State 1961-62 1962-63 3r it arf^r *rf «ft 1 1. Kerala 439 24 so far Air Services to Kanpur 2. Mysore . M 37 315 „ f Shri S. M. Banerjee: 3. Assam . Not reported ^ Shri Krishna Deo Tripathi: 4- West Bengal Nil Nil 2. Maharashtra Nil Nil Will the Minister of Transport and Communications be pleased to state: (b) In the Third Five Year Plan the total allocation made for pepper (a) whether Kanpur is likely to be development including bringing addi brought on the air map of India: and tional acreage under pepper is as (b) if so( by when? under:— The Deputy Minister in the Minis (Rs in lakhs) try of Transport and Communications Allocation (Shri Mohiuddin): (a) There is no proposal at present to provide air service to Kanpur. *i. Kerala 24 • 95 2. Mysore 9 ‘ 00 Cb) Does not arise. 3. Assam . 1 -oo 4. West Bengal 0-86 Acreage under Pepper Cultivation 5. Maharashtra No separate provision has been made. 747 ^ Shri A. K. GopaJan: Provision for * \ Shri Imbichibava: pepper cultivation is included in over all provision for Will the Minister of Food and Agri Rs. 146 50 lakh•* culture be pleased to state: made for Horticul ture Development. (a) the additional acreage brought under pepper cultivation during the (c) The following amount has been first and second year of the Third set apart for the purpose of bringing Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 19 56 additional acreage under pepper nents. Besides locomotive spare during 1961-62 and 1962-63:— parts, it is proposed to manufacture screw couplings, draw hooks, springs (Rs. in lakhs) and track and signalling materials. State 1961^62 1962-63 Preliminary work on the scheme has been taken up and steps are being taken to prepare a project report. 1. Kerala . 1 00 o-75 While a start in production of certain 2. Mysore . 1 12 1-50 components could be made in 1963-64 3. Assam . 0 20 0-72 with existing facilities, the develop 4. West Bengal O il o - 19 ment of production can be expected 5. Maharashtra Nil Nil only after execution of the expanded (d) The following amount is facilities based on the project report. reported to have been spent by the Leave Reserve Cadre State Governments so far:— 749. Shri Priya Gupta: Will the State Amount spent Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (Rs. in lakhs) (a) whether Government have asked the Railway Board to intro 1. Kerala . 092 duce ‘Leave Reserve’ Cadre in differ 2. Mysore . 12 4 ent categories of railway employees; . . Assam . Not reported and 4. West Bengal Nil (b) if so, what is the percentage o f 5. Maharashtra Nil Leave Reserve categories in North Manufacture of Spare Parts of Frontier Railway and North Eastern Locomotives Railway? f Dr. P. N. Khan: The Deputy Minister in the Minis J Shri Subodh Hansda: try of Railways (Shri Shahnawas " 48, "| Shri S. C. Samanta: Khan): (a) and (b). Presumably I Shri M. L. Dwivedi: the intention is to know whether any decision has been taken by the Rail Will the Minister of Railways be way Board in regard to leave reserve pleased to state: percentages in different categories of staff. The percentages were laid (a) whether there is any proposal down on the Railways as far back as to manufacture locomotive spare 1951. These percentages apply uni- parts at Kalka; formally on all the Railways. A (b) if so, whether a new workshop statement indicating the percentages is to be put up there; is laid on the Table of the House. (c) what are the spares to be S t a t e m e n t manufactured; and Categories Percentage (d) when it is expected to start (0 Operating staff requiring production? replacement even for short periods for normal working The Deputy Minister in the Minis Class III . . . 16$ to 30 try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama fit) Do. Class IV . 16$ to 30 swamy): (a) to (d). A statement is (m) Running staff of all grades 15 to 20 laid on the Table of the House. Uv) Commercial staff, Inspec torial or Supervisory staff Statement and such staff of all De The existing workshop at Kalka is partments as require re proposed to be suitably expanded for placement even for short periods for smooth and the manufacture of railway compo cflficcnt working . . 15 L3 25 1957 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Written Answers 1958 (tO Class IV staff of Commer Railway Employees at Alipurduar and cial and other Departments Siliguri Junctions as require replacement even for short periods for smooth and efficient working . 15 to 25 751. Shri Priya Gupta: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to (vi) Office Clerks, workshop staff and such staff of all state: departments who need not be replaced for short pe (a) whether Government have riods— Class III & Skilled 12 5 abandoned the payment of special (i’ll) Class IV and Semi skilled 12 5 pay and bad climate allowance to (vii) Unskilled and other cate railway employees in Alipurduar gories for whom substitu Junction and Siliguri Junction; tes can be engaged . . 12 5 (b) if so, since when this was given General Managers are authorised to fix the percentage required for each category effect to; and for which minima and maxima have been specified above, after taking into account the (c) the reasons therefor? local conditions. The Deputy Minister in the Minis Introduction of ‘Pay Slips’ for try of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Railway Employees Khan): A statement is laid on the Table of the House. [See Appendix 750. Shri Priya Gupta: Will the I, annexure No. 76]. Minister of Railways be pleased to state: fafTT qft W . vft 5TTTPTO : ^TT (a) whether Government propose to introduce ‘Pay Slips’ to their (b) In the establishments where the Box/Envelope system of payment ( t f Wo *0 w r e ) : (^7) *t obtains, the pay slips already show ^ 1^1 % i generally details of the wage deduc tions under different heads. ( « ) Tft i 1959 Written Answers AUGUST 16. 1962 Written Answers i 960 («r) x m *r TT^fr ^ni ( ^ ) 7J3m/^J STTT ^tT jxiff -FT frf^d ^f?F7 ^R" «Tl^f TT! ^tT Rrqr n^TT ^ f% ^ptpt ^tv*, ^Rfft ( * ) *rk ( 5 ). jtf*, it ^t^F’ fl+ K ^ ( ^ ) ? t srir if ^5ff % Hjzq VUTvft, fr?^- facFT ^5T ^ n f 7]Tr stV ^ ^7; f^rr^ff % ^qrf^rRr^f f^TT ^RT |W ; ^arV; TT^rf % $ fa fa^sptf ?r1 sqfjRnrcT ^ptV^t (*r) ^ 33TT «Pf 3F ■^fr ^ fjf^T if ^^Ic^TT % fa r ?ft ^rr f 0. farrq- cTr^pqr *n ^d^T3JRT, ^Tr^ sflr t ; srV ^ T7! «Kr1 f^TT (*T) ^T *K*.r Y ^TPfT* % I st ^ ^r^rrrr ^t <*f^nr ^ (?) jfa ^rtjRT n^r S^JT Sf vft q’^Ti-r xf&m w ra w t ^ » r *fra rjgt t ? (^) 5rr^fw ? m v e n it w ^ j x *rra ^ rnw- W ^T farrrq ; *nft (tto tu t ipxn fa$ ) : (*>) ( v ) ^ft ^ ^T Walkout by Workers of Hindustan w j f t s flNr «Y?R cr5^r Shipyard 755. Shri Xallamanda Reddy: Will f^T5offarsrP=nr ^ the Minister of Transport and Com munications be pleased to state: ( t ) ^rrr t'i srsTRtw % fam; (a) whether all the members of the Staff Association of the Hindustan sffa %f\r cfk'f 32R Shipyard, Visakhapatnam, Andhra fa rR ^ I Pradesh, staged a walkout on the 20th June. 1962; and Difference in Fare Charged by Private Companies and Nationalised Railways (b) if so, the reasons therefor? 754. Shri P. C. Rorooah: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to The Minister of Shipping in the state: Ministry of Transport and Communi cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) (a) whether there exists a differ Many of the members of the Staff ence between the rates of railway Association of the Hindustan Shipyard fares charged by the nationalised rail staged a walk-out on the 22nd June, ways and those run by private com 1962 (Not on 20-6-1962). panies, particularly in regard to the monthly railway passes issued to (b) The Staff members alleged that regular travellers; the management had introduced (b) if so, the difference; and certain new restrictions on tea and coffee timings etc., which was not a (c) what steps are being taken to fact. bring the fares charged by private railways to the level of the charges Thandava Reservoir in Andhra Pradesh made by nationalised railways? The Deputy Minister in the Minis 756. Shri Yallamanda Reddy: Will try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama the Minister of Irrigation and Power swamy): (a) Yes. be pleased to state: (b) Generally, the bases of passen (a) whether the Central Govern ger fares over the company managed ment have issued instructions to the railways are higher. In regard to Government of Andhra Pradesh to season ticket fares, while the charges stop the work of Thandava Reser on the Government Railways are voir Scheme in Visakhapatnam based on 7 to 20 single journey fares, District; and those on the company managed rail (b) if so, the reasons therefor? ways vary from 18 to 40 single journey fares. The Minister of State in the Minis (c) These private railways cover try of Irrigation and Power (Shri ing short mileages with relatively Alagesan): (a) Yes. higher working expenses than of the much longer Government Railways (b) According to the accepted pro and with limited traffic— in many cedure, work on a project can com cases in competition with road mence only after it has been examined services—have necessarily to regulate by the Central Water & Power Com their fares and freights in order to mission and cleared by the Advisory remain financially solvent as far as Committee on Irrigation, Flood Con possible. It is not feasible, in the trol and Power Projects and approved circumstances, to force the privately by the Planning Commission. 'The owned and privately managed rail comments of the Central Water and ways to adopt the Indian Government Power Commission on the Project Railway pattern of fares. Report were sent to the State Gov 1963 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1964- ernment in February, 1962 and their Production of Cotton reply to the comments is still awaited. The project has not so far been T Shri Rameshwar Tantia: cleared by the Advisory Committee. ! Shri Indrajit Gupta: j Shri P. C. Borooah: Godavari Anient in Andhra Pradesh 759. J Shri P. K. Deo: I Shri Hem Barua: 757. Shri Yallamanda Reddy: Will | Shri Tridib Kumar the Minister of Irrigation and Power L Chaudhuri: be pleased to state: Will the Minister of Food and Agri (a) whether the Central Govern culture be pleased to state: ment have received the report of the (a) whether cotton crop was much scheme formulated by the Govern less than was anticipated for this ment of Andhra Pradesh for raising year; the shutters of the Godavari Anicut at Dhavaleswaram in East Godavari (b) the reasons therefor; and district; and (c) the shortfall as also the (b) if so> the action taken in this expected consumption? regard? The Minister of State in the Minis try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram The Minister of State in the Minis Subhag Singh): (a) Yes. try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Alagesan): (a) Yes. (b) The decrease in production was mainly due to the heavy late rainfall (b) The Central Water and Power in the major cotton growing areas of Commission has advised that raising Gujarat, Vidarbha and Madhya Pra of the height of shutters would desh and the delay in the commence endanger the safety of the anicut. ment in the north-east monsoon which reduced the extent of sowings in the Gontakal Canal Southern States. (c) The shortfall in production in 758. Shri Yallamanda Reddy: Will 1961-62 was of the order of two lakh the Minister of Irrigation and Power bales as compared to the average be pleased to state: consumption of Indian cotton during the five years ending 1960-61 and of (a) whether the Central Govern ment have accepted the proposal of seven lakh bales as compared to the estimated requirements of Indian the Government of Andhra Pradesh, cotton by mills during 1961-62. regarding Guntakal Canal as the part of Tungabhadra High Level Canal; Kapily Valley Hydro-electric Project (b) if so, when; and f Shri P. C. Borooah: 760, \ Shri Yashpal Singh: (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Will the Minister of Irrigation and The Minister of State in the Minis Power be pleased to state: try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Alagesan): (a) to (c). Guntakal (a) whether the Kapily Valley Canal is included in the 2nd Stage of Hydro-electric project has been development of Tungabhadra High finalised; and Level Canal which is not included in (b) if so, the broad out-lines of the the Third Plan. Only Stage I of the project? project is included in the Third Plan. Approval of Stage II will be convey The Minister of State in the Minis ed at appropriate time. try of Irrigation and Power (Shri 1965 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Written Answers 1966 Alagesan): (a) The project report has Assam Government have been pres been finalised. sing for opening 3 new railway lines, viz., (i) Garo Hills-Pandu via Amjanga (b) The site of the project is about (ii) Morannat-Dibrugarh; and (iii) 7 miles south of Garampani. It Jhaklabandha to Badulipara; and envisages the construction of a 5,310 feet long earth and rock fill dam (b) if so, what is Government’s across the Kopili river just below its decision in this regard? confluence with the Kharkar. A reservoir with a gross storage capa The Deputy Minister in the Minis city of 1.02 million acre ft. will be try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama formed by flanking the dam by 9 swamy): (a) Yes. dykes. The stored water will be (b) None of these proposals is utilised for generation of power in included in Railway’s programme of two power stations. The first power construction of new lines during the station, with an initial generating Third Five Year Plan. capacity of 144 MW, will be located on the bank of the Umrong stream, Survey of Khetri-Chirawa Railway and the second, with an initial capa city of 350 MW, on the bank of the Line Kopili river. The entire scheme is 763. Shri Morarka: Will the Minis estimated to cost about Rs. 58.25 ter of Railways be pleased to state: crores. (a) whether the survey work of New Hospitals for belhi the proposed Khetri Chirawa railway 761. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the line has been completed; Minister of Health be pleased to state: (b) if so, the progress made so far; and (a) whether there is a proposal to set up twenty new hospitals under (c) when the construction work is the Master Plan for Delhi; and likely to start? (b) if so, the sites proposed for The Deputy Minister in the Minis these hospitals? try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila swamy): (a) and (b). The field work Nayar): (a) Yes. has been completed and the Surrey Report and Project Estimate are now (b) The sites proposed for the new in hand. hospitals under the Master Plan for Delhi are given below:— (c) As the Survey Report and the Project Estimate have not been finalised and examined by the Rail Karol Baeh . . 1 way Board, it is too early to say Civi Lines . . 1 whether the construction will be New Delhi . . 1 Shahdara . . 6 sanctioned and when the work will South Delhi . 2 start. West Delhi . . 5 North West DclV.i 4 Training in Agriculture rl'otal 20 764. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture fee New Railway Lines in Assam pleased to state: (a) how many persons from Tri 762. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to pura have been given training since .state: 1957 so far up to B.Sc. (in Agricul tural subjects with Government * (a) whether it is a fact that the expenses); T9^7 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1968 (b ) how many persons are from the same would be met out of the peasant stock among those who sanctioned budget grant of the Direc received training: and orate of Plant Protection, Quarantine and Storage. (c) what special care is being taken to recruit peasants’ son? for this (d) The scheme is to operate with training? efTect from the 12th August, 1962. The Deputy Minister in the Minis Theft of Telegraph Wire try of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M Thomas>: (a) 19 since 1957-58. 766. Dr. L. M. Singhvi: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi (b) The records maintained do not cations be pleased to state: provide this information. (a) the total loss of telegraph wire (c) At the time of selection, care is taken, to give preference to belong on account of thefts during the year 1961-62; and ing to Scheduled Castes and Sche duled Tribes and other backward (b) the measures being taken to communities subject to the candidates curtail these losses from such wide fulfilling the prescribed qualifications. spread pilferage? Locust Control The Deputy Minister in the Minis try of Transport and Communications 765. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the (Shri B.:agavati): (a) The total loss Minister of Food and Agriculture be of telegraph wire on account of thefts pleased to state: during 1961-62 was 2,29.389 Kgms valued at Rs. 12,57,840/-. ( (a) whether an agreement was signed between the Government of (b) The question is essentially one India and the United Nations Food of Law and Order. The thefts arc and Agriculture Organisation for brought to the notice of the respec conducting operational research on tive States Governments and close locust control in the Indo-Pakistan liaison is being maintained by Circle border area; authorities w'ith State Police authori ties to apprehend the culprits. In (b) the estimated expenditure addition, the following steps have al>o« which is likely to be incurred on this been taken:— project in the current financial year; (1) Increase of liability to punish (c) how this expenditure would be ment for the offence. met; and (2) Replacement cf copper wire by (d) when the scheme is expected copper weld wire in theft affect to operate? ed areas and The Minister of State in the Minis (3) Replacement of overhead lines try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram by underground cables on the Subhag Singh): (a) Yes, Sir. main trunk routes. (b) and (c). According to the Heart Disease Agreement the Government of India will have to bear the expenditure on 767. Shri K. N. Tiwary: Will the- account of petrol, oil and lubricant Minister of Health be pleased to for the aeroplanes to be used by the state: operational Team, propulsion charges and maintenance of the ground trans (a) whether it is a fact that the port and other miscellaneous facili preliminary studies carried out in the ties. The expenditure to be incurred Departments of Medicine and Patho thereon is estimated at Rs. 55,000 and logy at S.N. Medical College, Agra. 1969 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Written Answer?. 1970 have shown that gram can be effec ^farTO fjR fW «FF <3n% ^TT tively used in curing heart patients; and «fr, wt pt sffa ?mt ^w^rr. (to) if so, the details thereor? ^TJTTSf f«pn t ; sftr The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila Nayar): (a) and Ob). The workers in (^ ) r?r % the department of Medicine and 'TvT-qfSFTqrf V T H - W it Pathology at S.N. Medical College. gSTT V I ^ ^ *T 3 ? ^ A^ra, do not claim that gram can bo effectively used in curing heart »r? 5 ? diseases. The association of high cholesterol level in blood in coronary thrombosis is well known. Prelimi m u ?WT t fa «T3TT?nT 4 TTW #3TV nary experiments carried out in Agra ( tto tpr g*m fa$): («f ) *nft ^ i on albino rats have shown that Bengal *n-r *37 *rpn*r gram has a property of reducing the raised serum cholesterol level in ex if fcRrr^T £ forr | i perimental rats. These observations are rRT f a VTRTfflr ?TTT ^ V f W being repeated in these laboratories rT^Tfar£?Tff ?.V 'A l f t , TSTRf «K and if confirmed will be utilised for experiments on human volunteers. f^fa^r^F fasrnT TT^> M$r- th TTTZvf qr jpidsnq f^far^ qw ^TFfT ^ ^ firt: TTCTF=T W iTF T? Sf I FT OT3TR : ( ^ ) tt^t ^TT fa f^ r m T ^ T apT ^rr ** ^ ^ I «7^r-*rfisr*ff ^ ^ r- rn’Cifo^T 5FFT *t^TT ?*; ^ % 5Ft ^ tt fa ^rrrfrT^ f^qfar *ri % v U ^Tf^n T7* 5^m rf *rt TvjfT ^T% ?T\T <.IPlrf 3TTrTT | I V«^ ^ m fr’Tfa- if ^nr ^nr fm | 7 5?^ ^f^fTTft T O tfjPT it («ft Ho H t t r^f^*niT f^frOT *7^Tfr^t[ i ^hfr V fn^fr fTOOTT i.: ^ 5 T ^ ;iT TRwrnfV) : *rt # f t * SFTfa it ^TTRT TK W\ fT tr5T-qw(T■o fa fa * ^prr *wr wrr f, ■— v t m i i it ^prrT f a t «rT ?, w - ^r^T^'r w r 5|T% ^ R t srr ^*prr qfTHm ^fr STTfavT f I Contamination of Water at Okhala 9sm t vt firfwiuT f Shri D. C. Sharma: wft 9 Q 77°* \ Shri Mohammad Elias: ? W T f ^ 4 ^ 3*^rn, v mrrfa^r h; StTT ¥ if Will the Minister of Health be VC& pleased to state: $HT fa (a) whether heavy rain and over ^ iT^rmr ir flow of the Barapulla ‘nallah’ conta 1971 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1972 minated raw water at the Okhla Zoological Park were received. Two water works during the first monsoon of them related to mis-appropriation showers in June, 1962; and of gate money. In one, prosecution has been launched against a Booking (b) if so, the steps proposed/to be Clerk; in the other, departmental taken to prevent such contamination action has been instituted against a in future? Booking Clerk, as recommended by The Minister of Health (Dr. the Special Police Establishment of Sushila Nayar): (a) No. the Ministry of Home Affairs. The remaining allegations, which are of a (b) In view of the above, the ques less serious nature, are being looked tion does not arise. into. Cure of Mental Illness by Music *T1*TT, fTOt ^ 771. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to ^ srerpr ^7 ^ : state: (a) whether Government are aware f a ) | far im ft that in U.K. research to cure many ( o’rfT sr^T) fara- 3WT 3TPK % types of mental illness by music has proved successful; and an-T-sr'to *r (b) if so, the details thereof? The Minister of Health (Dr. f a ) %t, 37 SiftTT W Sushila Nayar): (a) It is understood I ? that in U.S.A specially and in the U.K. also, research is being carried (s jo WXfal : on regarding therapeutic value of f a ) sfft fa). snttf ¥ smfr fa* music in the treatment of mental ill srssn mWK V r ^ f ^ T f ness. ^TvTR’ to t fcwz tt* srnj % (ib) Details of the research being % qro ss'ct *tt sr'fa ^ rr ^rnrr ‘C a r r i e d out are not available with the Government of India. ^tctt | srft m r | ® m v ^m i 5ft fas Delhi Zoo ^ t * 772. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will the Special Stamp for Indian Shipping Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state: 774. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi (a) whether Government have cations be pleased to state whether received complaints with serious alle National Shipping Board has requested gations against some officials of Delhi Government to issue stamps in com Zoo for alleged misappropriation of memoration of completing one million Government funds and other malprac tonnage of Indian shipping? tices; and The Minister of Shipping in the (b ) if 30, the details thereof? Ministry of Transport and Communi The Minister of State in the Minis cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): It is try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. understood that at the meeting held Ram Subhag Singh): (a) Yes, Sir. on the 7th July, 1962 the National Shipping Board have decided to (b) In recent month, some com recommend to Government the issue plaints containing serious allegations of commemoratory stamps on the against some officials of the Delhi attainment of one million tons of ship 1973 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA) Written Answer ping on the Indian Register. The Neendakara Bridge on National Board’s formal communication to Gov Highway No. 47 ernment in this regard is, however, still awaited. 777. Shri P. Kunhan: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi Nitrogenous Fertilizers for Madras cations be pleased to state: (a) the amount allocated for the 775. Shri Umanath: Will the Minis Neendakara Bridge on National High ter of Food and Agriculture be way No. 47; pleased to state: (b) whether the work has already (a) whether any representation has been taken up; and been received from the Government (c) if so, when it is expected to be of Madras on their requirement of completed? fertilisers and augmentation of the present allotment; and The Minister of Shipping In the Ministry of Transport and Communi (b) the reactions and decisions of cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) the Central Government on the Rs. 40 lakhs. Madras Government’s representation? Ob) No, Sir. The plans "776. Shri P. Kunhan: Will the Minis (~ Shri A. K. Gopalan: ter of Transport and Communications 778. Shri Umanath: be pleased to state: I Shri P. Kunhan: (a) the amount allocated for the Will the Minister of Food and Agri Chalakudy Bridge on National High culture be pleased to state: way No. 47; (a) the total value of fish products (b) whether the work has already exported from India during 1961-62; been taken up; and Ob) the target of export of fish pro (c) if so, when it is expected to be ducts during the Third Five Year Plan ■completed. period; The Minister of Shipping in the (c) whether it is a fact that all Ministry of Transport and Communi possibilities of exploitation in the cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) No Arabian sea have not been utilised; amount has been allocated for the and Chalakudy Bridge on National High way No. 47 during the 3rd Plan. A (d) if so, the steps taken to ex decked railway bridge is at present haust the possibilities? available for road traffic. The Deputy Minister in the Minis (b) No, Sir. try of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) Total value of (c) Does not arise at present fish and fisheries products exported 3477 (Ai) LSD—4. T975 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1976 from India during the year 1961-62 is entitled “Long term projections of Rs. 3,91,26,287/-. demand for and supply of selected agricultural commodities 1900-61 to (b) The target of export of fish 1975-76". products is Rs. 12 crores by the end of the Third Five Year Pl-an. (c) and (d). There is still a consi Fishing Trawlers derable scope for exploiting the f Shri A. K. Gopalan: marine resources of the Arabian Sea. 780. \ Shri Umanath: A number of schemes under the [m Shri P. Kunhan: Third Plan such as Mechanisation of fishing craft, supply of new types of Will the Minister of Food and Agri gear, pilot fishing, exploratory deep- culture be pleased to state: sea fishing, oceanographic and biologi (a) whether Government propose to cal research, etc. are directed towards envolve a project for manufacture of increasing the catches of sea fish. Big Fishing Trawlers; Large scale exploitation of our marine fish resources by collaboration with (b) if so. what is the target pro foreign countries is also under posed for the Third Five Year Plan; consideration. (c) how Government propose to distribute them; and Agriculture Production (d) how many trawlers Govern ment propose to allot to Kerala and- f Shri A. K. Gopalan: by what time? 779. ^ Shri Umanath: (_ Shri P. Kunhan: The Deputy Minister in the Minis try of Food and Agriculture (Shri Will the Minister of Food and Agri M. Thomas): (a) No such proposal culture be pleased to state: is under consideration. (a) whether any agency of the agri cultural Department of the Govern (b) to (d). Does not arise. ment of the United States of America had undertaken any survey of pros pects of agricultural production in f i r v v m sta r * India by 1975-76; (b) if so, what is the agency and f 1f t *5 F T : who bore the expenditure of the sur *T Wrsn*: vey; and fi?o 5T*r : (c) the main findings of the survey and the action taken thereon? The Minister of State im the Minis trrcffa^ w r tott e u try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram Subhag Singh): (a) to (c). The TOT % q*? ^rTFT f^T National Council of Applied Economic far ^ srf fesflr % Research, New Delhi, undertook a ^ ifVdH1 's^TTImC^' sftftRT ^ ^ qfais* ?r ( ^ ®tt «rn^q *r irtesff % f?mfa q r vfazR? % f^nr wr^r v ^H-^THn, % srerRrf ^ r w f t ^ HTf^O ?ftT W i f ^ r ^T%tT 5frT^ \?q^. «ft w w ^5tt : f!fr qfr^r^ (a) whether it is a fact that Cen tral Government have promised to fnn avr? ?rfr ?v ht#, ? e ^ ^nt- the Government of Andhra Pradesh fecT 5T^T H^TT % ^ tR % 3 *3 '^ ^ to give additional financial assistance 3T5 ^ fi^TT 1% to the tune of about 7 crores of rupees during the Third Five Year «Faf^T fwpT TfGfhr H^TT Vt Plan if there is additional production ^TTpT^ SFTrT % ^ if ^ T ^qT 5HTKT of about hundred thousand tons of foodgrains over and above the target J f t ? of food production; and Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1980 (b) if so, whether similar assistance Timber Treating Plant in Jammu and is proposed to be given to other Kashmir States? 786. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased The Deputy Minister in the Min to state: istry of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. Thomas): (a) An addition (a) whether it is a fact that Rail al sum of Rs. 7 crores for raising the way Board is establishing a timber food production targets was agreed to treating plant at Kathua in Jammu be provided by Government of India and Kashmir State; and on the condition that the State Gov (b) if so, the details thereof? ernment shall actually spend the en tire allocation made in the Third Plan The Deputy Minister in the Minis plus Rs. 3 crores their own share. In try of Railways (Shri S. V. Rama view, however, of the appreciably swamy): (a) and (b). There is a low tempo of expenditure during the proposal to shift the existing Railway first two ye^rs of the Plan, the State Sleeper Treatment Plant, from Dhil- Government has since intimated that wan to Kathua. it will not be alble to spend the pre sent allocation in full by the end of Harnessing of Subarnarekha River the Third Plan period. As such the 787. Shri G. Mohanty: Will the question of additional allocation by Minister of Irrigation and Power be Government of India does not arise. pleased to state: (b) The question of providing addi tional funds for minor irrigation (a) whether there is any plan under schemes to various State Governments investigation to harness the river is at present under consideration and Subarnarekha in Balasore District of the State Governments will be ad Orissa to provide irrigation facilities dressed shortly to put up their propo and to control flood; and sals in the matter. (b) if so, the stage at which it rests at present? Conference of Agricultural Division The Minister of State in the Minis 785. Shri M. K. Kumaran: Will the try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Minister of Food and Agriculture be Alagesan): (a) Yes. pleased to state: (b) Inter-State aspects of the (a) whether a conference of the scheme are being examined by the Agricultural Division of the United States of Orissa, Bihar and West Ben States Agency for International Deve gal. lopment Mission to India was held at Bangalore in June, 1962; and Class IV Employees in Khurda Divi sion of S. E. Railway (b) if so, the main subjects dis cussed at the conference? Shri G. Mohanty: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to The Minister of State in the Minis- atate: istry of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram Subhag Singh): (a) Yes. (a) the number of class IV emplo yees in Khurda Division of South (d) The subjects discussed were of Eastern Railway; a purely “internal” nature and in (b) the number of permanent re cluded administrative and programme sidents of the Division among those problem, ways and means of improv employees; and ing the effectiveness of Indo-U.S. technical cooperation programmes in (c) the number of Scheduled Castes agriculture etc. and Scheduled Tribes among them? 1981 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAK A) Written Answer 1982 The Deputy Minister in the Minis (c) who was responsible for dis try Railways (Shri Shahnawai covering their presence in India? Khan): (a) 4622. The Minister of State in the Min (b) 3875. istry of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram Subhag Singh): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) Scheduled Castes... .694. Scheduled Tribes ....48. (b) Steps have been taken by the Government of Madras to protect flamingoes and other birds under the Road Alignment in Badagara Muni Wild Birds and Animals Protection cipality Act, 1912, by declaring the whole year as closed season for shooting 789. / Shri A * V> Ra^luvaill: these birds within the entire area com * \ Shri A. K. Gopalan: prising the taluks of Nagapatinam Will the Minister of Transport and and Thiruturaipoondi in Thanjavur Communications be pleased to state: district. (a) whether the road alignment of (c) Flamingoes have been known in the West Coast Road in the Badagara India from very early times. Refer Municipality has been finally fixed; ences to published works on birds on India, show that they have been re (b) if so, when the work will be ported about as early as 1864. “The taken up; and Birds of South India” by Lt. Col. Baker, Indian Army, and Chas. M. (c) the amount set apart for this in Inglis, contain references about these 1962-63? birds having been seen by Maj. E. S. The Minister of Shipping in the Pythian-Adams in the year 1922. Ministry of Transport and Communi Their congregation at Point Calimere cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Yes. came to the notice of the State Gov ernment recently as a result of the (b) The work will be taken up survey of the incidence of wild life during the current financial year in the State in winter by the State (1962-63). The preparation of the Wild Life Officer. detailed estimate for the work which was delayed as a result of represen Nagarjunasagar Project tations from land owners regarding the alignment of the road, is nearing 791. Shri Kolia Venkaiah: Will the completion. Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to state: (c) Rs. 1*00 lakh as against the total estimated cost of Rs. 3 20 lakhs (a) the loan sanctioned and dis for the entire work. bursed by the Central Government to Andhra Pradesh for the Nagarjuna- sagar Project; Flamingoes (b) whether any interest is charr ed on the loan; \ Shri A. V. Raghavan: (c) whether the Government of Will the Minister of Food and Agri Andhra Pradesh requested for remo culture be pleased to state: val of interest and for free loan; and (a) whether a rare species of birds (d) if so, action taken thereon by known as Flamingoes (P. Roses) are the Central Government? seen in Point Calimere in Tanjore The Minister of State in the Minis during winter; try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Alagesan): (a) Rs. 47*82 crores. (b) what steps Government have taken to preserve this species; and (b) Yes. 1983 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1984 (c) No. The State Government has (c) the time required to complete only proposed that the loans advanced the scheme to eradicate water hya to cover the interest charges should cinth from the Loktak lake? be free of interest. The Deputy Minister in the Ministry (d) The proposal is under considera of Food and Agriculture (Shri A. M. tion in consultation with the Ministry Thomas): (a) Yes, subject to the of Finance and the Planning Com timely availability of the weedicide. mission. (b) 1,12,000 litres (approximately). Paediatric Services (c) The initial air spraying which 792. Shri Kolia Venkaiah: Will the is expected to clear 90 p.c. of the Minister of Health be pleased to affected area will take about a month. state: For clearance of the rest and preven tion of reinfestation, mopping up (a) the assistance promised by the operations will have to continue till UNICEF for the development of the end of the Third Plan. Paediatric Services and training in 1963 in India; Manipur State /Transport (b) the medical colleges and hospi tals to whom the assistance is to be 794. Shri RLshang Keishing: Will allotted; and the Minister of Transport and Com (c) the amount allotted to each in munications be pleased to state: stitution? (a) whether it is a fact that the The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila Manipur State Transport is going to Nayar): (a) $236,500. purchase 20 Bedford Trucks through B. B. Company and whether these (b) 24 Medical Colleges and asso trucks are suitable for Manipur; and ciated hospitals attached to them will get UNICEF assistance. The list of (b) reasons for not purchasing the medical colleges and hospitals has trucks through the Director-General not yet been finalised. of Supply? (c) (i) 12 Medical Colleges will get The Minister of Shipping in the full scale assistance at the rate of Ministry of Transport and Communi $9000 each. cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) and (b). We have no such information. (ii) 6 Medical Colleges will get Enquiry has been made from Mani supplementary assistance at the rate pur Administration. Further infor of $6000 each; and mation will be placed on the Table of the Lok Sabha as early as possible. (iii) 6 Medical Colleges will get first stage assistance at the rate of Agricultural Production $r000 each. 795. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture be Loktak Lake In Manipur pleased to state: 793. Shri Rishang Keishing: Will the Minister of Food and Agriculture (a) whether a seminar to devise ways and means for improving agri be pleased to state: cultural production in the country was (a) whether a scheme to eradicate held at New Delhi in July this year; the water hyacinth from the Loktak and lake in Manipur is going to be taken (b) if so, the decisions arrived at in up during the current year; the seminar? (b) the quantity of weedicide re The Minister of State in the Minis quired for the scheme; and try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram *985 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA) Written Answer 1986 Subh ag Singh): (a) No Seminar to funds of the Indian Council of Agri devise ways and means for improving cultural Research is being utilised for agricultural production as such was the appointment of staff at the head held in July, 1962. But a Seminar on quarters of the Council; *Farm Production Planning and Pro gramming* sponsored jointly by the (b) if so, whether the rules of the Directorate of Economics and Statis Council permit utilisation of research tics, Ministry of Food and Agriculture funds for appointment of administra and Indian Society of Agricultural tive staff; and Economics, was held at New Delhi from 23rd July to 2nd August, 1962, (c) if not, what steps Government The Seminar discussed the various propose to take to stop this practice? theoretical and practical aspects of farm planning and programming tech The Minister of State in the Minis niques and the factors inhibiting their try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram wider use as an extension tool under Subhag Singh): (a) No. Indian conditions. Data requirements (b) Although there is a mention in and personnel competence required for the Government Resolutions relating ■undertaking farm planning and pro to the setting up of the Council that gramming work were also discussed. the secretariat staff for the Council (b) No decisions were arrived at. will be provided by Government, there However, the deliberations or the is no restriction on the appointment Seminar together with the papers of administrative staff on the research presented are proposed to be publish side in connection with the work of ed by the Indian Society of Agricul the various schemes undertaken by tural Economics shortly. the Council. CJ3.S. Scheme (c) Does not arise. 796. Shri Yashpal Singh: Will the Flood Control in Punjab Minister of Health be pleased to state: 798. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the (a) the amount spent under C.H.S. Minister of Irrigation and Power be Scheme during the year 1961-62 and pleased to state: 1962-63 so far; and (b) the number of patients who (a) whether the Punjab Government visited C.H.S. dispensaries during the have requested the Central Govern same period dispensary-wise? ment to grant a loan of about Rs. 10 The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila million to Punjab for flood control N ayar): measures; (a) Rs. (b) if so, the Centre’s decision there on; 1961—62 . . 87,92,453 (c) whether some loan|grant for 1962-63 (Upto June, 1962) . 19,01,310. flood control measures has £lso been (b) A statement is laid °n the Table requested for by the Government of o f the House. [See Appendix I, Assam; and annexure No. 77]. (d) if so, what is the Government’s decision thereon? Indian Council of Agricultural Research The Minister of State In the Minis try of Irrigation and Power (Shri 797. Shri P. K. Deo: Will the Minis Alagesan): (a). Yes, the Government ter of Food and Agriculture be pleas of Punjab had requested for an addi ed to state: tional allocation of Rs. 115 lakhs as (a) whether it is a fact that an Central Loan Assistance for the Flood appreciable portion of the research Control programme during 1961-62. 1987 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 198& (b). The Working Group on Irriga Earth work—21*30 lakli cfi. tion and Power who considered the Cement concrete in foundations Annual Plan proposals of the Govern & blocks— 1:65 lakh civ ment of Punjab for flood control dur ing 1962-63 had recommended a pro Boulder pitching—1 *10 lakh eft vision of Rs. 269 '50 lakhs as loan assis Shingle laying— 0 92 lakh eft tance to the State Government for that year. This amount is proposed to be About 571 lakh eft. of earth-work allocated to the State Government. In has been done in excavation fcr the power channel; view of this they were informed that no further allocation was possible. Excavation of power house pit No. 2 (c) Yes. The Government of Assam has been completed while that of pit had approached the Planning Com No. 1 is in progress. The following mission for increasing the allocation quantities of concrete have been la'd for flood control during the Third Five in erection and control bays:— Year Plan from Rs. 500 lokhs to Rs. Base Concrete below floor—22 000 600 lakhs by suitable adjustment eft. ’ within the annual plan ceilings from year to year. R.C.C, in erection bay— 18,000 eft. Concrete in control bay—81,000 (d) The State Government have not eft. submitted schemewise details and the Planning Commission have suggested Production and Disribution of Seeds to the State Government to work on 800. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the the basis of the existing plan alloca Minister of Food and Agriculture be tion pending any adjustments which pleased to state: may be agreed to at the time of annual plan discussions for 1963-64. (a) whether a piece of legislation has been prepared with the assistance of the F.A.O. by the Indian Council Yamuna Hydro-Electric Projcct of Agricultural Research, to regulate 799. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the production and distribution of seeds Minister of Irrigation and Power be for agriculture in India; pleased to state: (b) if so, the reasons that necessitat (a) whether it is a fact that the ed such legislation; and Yamuna Hydro-Electric Project being executed in Dehra Dun is proposed to (c) when the .legislation is proposed be linked with the Ganga-Sarda grid to be brought before Parliament? at Roorkee; and (b) how far the project has pro * The Minister of State in the Minis gressed so far? try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Rim Subhag Singfli): (a) to (c). No legis The Minister of State in the Minis lation has been prepared by the Indian try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Council of Agricultural Research Alagesan): (a) Yes. with the assistance of the F.A.O. to regulate production and distribution of (b) 47-5 lakhs eft. of earth work has seeds in India. A model law was, been done in the foundations of the however, drafted by Dr. Carter o f Head Regulator and under-sluice bays T.C.M. A Committee has been set of the Barrage. In the Head Regula up by the Indian Council of Agri tor 1,24,000 eft. and in the Barrage cultural Research to study the exist 10,000 eft. of concrete has been laid in ing laws on the subject and to draft a the abutments of the toe walls and model bill for being adopted by differ pier foundations. The following pro ent States of India with a view to gress has been made in the left guide ensure the production and diJtribu- bund:— tion o f quality seeds. 1989 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA) Written Answer x99o «? (iii) Kirat Pur Sahib. (iv) Nangal Dam; and r tto firarfl : (b) if so, the details thereof? * THi ^ «RTH far: The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): ( *P)( FCTFT % TRT ^RRT (a) and (b). Yes. A statement show ing the additional facilities proposed & jp(*rffaRT T?V I ; Statement (^r) *rfa ^t, 5^r ^®r Chandigarh:—(i) Provision of addi tional siding to handle inward traiPc. ^TR^TT; sftr (ii) Provision of railway siding in ( *t ) w % «h h 3r PRrft ^‘'T- industrial area. Trf^r EppTRcT: ^ T ? Mukerian:—Provision of an addi tional loop of 1750’ length. ^ f } p’strsr/ 5 ^ n h ft f * v So He X I : ( ^ ) sft fTT, TT^T ST+TC % Kiratpur Sahib:—Conversion from < R m ?r ^ m r % st^ct xrm 3?rft DK station to a crossing station. 5^T 5RTH zfhFTT STfcFT F ( ^ ) 5?r ^r q^RT sfR % (ii) Provision of three sorting spurs. SR ^T TT^T ^73f>TT '3TT (iii) Signalling of line No 3. ^ % 1 TFsq- * r t ; r ^r ? m ^ T Pm^r ^t (iv) Provision of a shunting nock. 4>IM ®FT r ^ l 3TR*TT I (v) Provision of a siding 280’ long (*r) v . ^ w m T m ; farcrSr& for loading timber. ^ . ^O ?rn wq- TT^q- ^n^TR % ^ W T t I Telephone Exchange, Anandpur *" Expansion of Stations in Punjab 803. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi 802. Shri Dal jit Singh: Will the cations be pleased to state when the Minister of Railways be pleased to telephone exchange is proposed to be state: opened and completed at Anandpur Sahib (Punjab)? (a) whether there is any proposal to increase the line siding and capacities of the following stations of Punjab The Deputy Minister in the Minis during the Third Five Year Plan try of Transport and Communications period: (Shri Bhagavati): There is a Public Call Office with 6 extensions working (i) Chandigarh. from it. The proposal for opening of (ii) Mukerian. an exchange is under consideration. ;i99i Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 1992 Railway Accidents the percentage of supply to the de f Shri Gulshan: mand during the same period was as | Shri Buta Singh: follows: — 804. ^ Shri M. K. Kumaran: Shri R. P. Singh: Year Demand Percent- in age of Shri Krishna Deo Tripathi: M/tonnes supply to Dr. P. Srinivasan: the Demand Will the Minister of Railways be ’pleased to state: 1959-60 15,241 6 -89 % (a) the number of Railway acci 1960-61 . 25,589 494% dents that took place during the year 1961; and Programme for Coal Movement (b) how many Railway employees have been held responsible by the en 806. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the quiry commissions set up to investigate' Minister of Railways be pleased to these accidents? state: The Deputy Minister for Railways (a) whether the railway authorities (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): (a) The have drawn up a rationalisation pro number of train accidents during the gramme for coal movement from year 1961 is shown below:— Asansol and Mugma, and given effect to it from 1st August, 1962; and Collisions and Derailments in volving passenger trains . 238 (b) if so, the salient features of the Collisions and Derailments in programme? volving other trains . . 1,331 Trains running into road The Deputy Minister in the Ministry tarffic at level crossing . 164 of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): Fires in trains . . 281 fa) Yes. Total 2,013 (b) In order to eliminate avoidable handling detentions in marshalling yards and thus maximise coal move (b) These accident cases were en ment, the loading on Asansol and quired into either by departmental Mugma pilot sections has been ra enquiry committees or by an Addi tionalised in such a way that as large tional Commissioner of Railway a number of through loads as possi Safety. In 1,791 cases which were ble is formed by the Pilot trains them finalised upto 31st March 1962 1,666 selves. On dowin Asansol and Mugma railway employees were held to blame. II Pilots, on two consecutive days, Iron and Steel for Andhra allotments are given only for the up direction while on the third day, allot 805. Shrimati Sangam Laxmi Bai: ments are only for the down direction. Will the Minister of Food and Agri In Down Asansol IB Pilot, on account culture be pleased to state: of the different pattern of bulk allot (a) the total demand of iron and ments made by the Coal Controller, .steel of Andhra Pradesh for agricul allotments for each direction are made tural purposes during 1959-60 and on alternate days. 1960-61; and Shipping Space for Export of Coir (b) the percentage of supply to the Goods demand during the same period? 807. Shri Warior: Will the Minister The Minister of State in the Minis of Transport and Communications be try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram pleased to state: Subhag Singh): (a) and (b). The total demand of iron and steel of (a) whether it is a fact that Allep- Andhra Pradesh for agricultural pur pey Chamber of Commerce had re poses during 1959-60 and 1960-61 and presented to Government regarding the 1993 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Written Answers 1994 difficulties faced by exporters with re Rectification of Crane Defect by Fore gard to freight and space for shipping man of Lucknow Locoshed coir goods; and 809. Shri Raghunath Singh: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to (b) if so, what steps have been taken state: •or are proposed to be taken thereon? (a) whether it is a fact that the The Minister of Shipping in the Min Lucknow Locoshed foreman rectified istry of Transport and Communications a major defect in the crane which fre (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Government quently used to go out of order, thus have received complaints from the saving a huge amount of foreign ex exporters of Coir Mats and Mattings change; and regarding high freight rates and lack (b) if so, the reward given to the of adequate shipping space from foreman? Cochin to U.K.— Continent. The Deputy Minister in the Ministry (b) The question of reduction in of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): freight rates was taken up with the (a) Yes Sir. The flexible shaft of a Conference concerned but so far they breakdown crane in Locoshed Luck have not agreed to make any reduc now got snapped. The Lucknow Shed tions. The matter is being pursued. Foreman was responsible for its re placement by a locally manufactured shaft. This resulted in saving consi The shipping difficulties had also derable ineffective time of the very 'been taken up with the Conference important crane and in the saving of and they have since provided the foreign exchange of about Rs. 500. necessary shipping space in July, 1962 (b) An award of Rs. 200 to the to the satisfaction of the exporters. foreman and Rs. 100 to the fitter who assisted him has been sanctioned by Power from D. V. C. the General Manager, Northern Rail way. 808. Shri P. K. Deo: Will the Min ister of Irrigation and Power be Gravitation Canals pleased to state: 810. Shri Sivamurthi Swamy: Will (a) whether recently there was any the Minister of Irrigation and Power talk between Bihar and West Bengal be pleased to state: over distribution of power from the (a) how many gravitation canals Damodar Valley Corporation; and have been included in the Third Five Year Plan without constructing the (b) if so, the result thereof? dams across rivers; The Minister of State in the Minis (b) whether any such canals were try of Irrigation and Power (Shri constructed during the First amd Alagesan): (a) and (b). The question Second Five Year Plan periods; of distribution of power from the D. (c) whether any survey or investiga V. C. was discussed at a conference tion has been conducted so far along held at Calcutta on 23rd July, 1962, at the bank of big rivers or big nullahs which representatives of the Govern where such gravitation canals will be ments of India, West Bengal, Bihar successfully constructed to irrigate the and of D.V.C. were present. The con land; and clusions reached at the meeting have already been given in the statement (d) whether it has come to the no on the power situation in the Calcutta tice of Government that beyond 50 area, laid on the Table of the Sabha miles away from Tungabhadra Dam on 7th August, 1962. back-side anywhere gravitation canal 1995 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers can be constructed without any ob 5FRTT ^T»T % f^R structing wall to flow of water towards reservoir? TT^rW flftVltWH ^ I *TR?ft ^ 0 ^ h f t q ^ r The Minister of State in the Minis %t s lrr srr 11 sftr hi^tmK ^rr try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Alagesan): (a) to (d). The information *K*mO IV|Prq«dOf, ^Kl+'lil is being collected from the States and fatff (tr^frsr) m r wtw SI. State Government/Administration Special pay or allowances and facilities for No. education of the children provided by the State Government/Administration to the Doctors and nurses employed to work in Scheduled and Tribal areas. i Maharashtra . So far no special pay or allowance is sanc tioned to Medical Officers and Nurses. There are also no special facilities provided for education of the children of such doc tors and nurses. Recently the control of such dispensaries has been transferred to Zila Parishads for better and smooth working. 2 West Bengal . . Nil. (Doctors and nurses get pay and allow ances according to their grade in their respective cadre, viz. West Bengal Health Service and West Bengal Nursing Ser- 1997 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Written Answers 1098 1 2 3 vice. No special arrangement for education of their children exists). 3, Himachal Pradesh . Special pay and allowances hive been sanc tioned for the employees posted in Kin- naur, Pangi, and Chamba Districts. Faci lities for education of the children of doc tors and nurses have also been provided by opening Primary, Middle and High Schools in these areas. Moreover, the matter in regard to the grant of suitable education allowance to the children of all the employees of the Pradesh including those posted in Scheduled and Tribal areas is also under the consideration of the Himachal Pradesh Administration. 4 . Lacadive, Mini coy and Amindive Is Special pay at 40% of basic pay to doctors lands. and nurses and Rupees 150 to Doctors as non-practising allowance and Rs. 50/- per annum and Rs. 75/- per month to nurses as uniform and Messing allow ances respectively. Education facilitiei are also made available. 5. Kerala . . Nil. •6. Punjab . • Nil. 7. Orissa . . Nil. 8. Manipur Nil. 9. Tripura Nil. Information in respect of the remaining States and Union Territories is not available. New Disease in North Kanara 813. Shri Nath Pai: Will the Minis In Septcmber-October 1961 investi ter of Health be pleased to state: gations were carried out, at the in (a) whether it is a fact that a large stance of the State Government, among number of workers have been affected 179 workers who were considered to by a strange disease in Dandeli, the be exposed to manganese fumes, or industrial town-ship in North Kanara; who complained of any symptom ill-heaJth. These investigations re (b) if so, how many workers were vealed that 62 of these workers gave affected by this new disease; and symptoms of ‘lassitude’, respiratory (c) steps taken by Government for symptoms, and neurological symp the treatment of the affected workers? toms like, paraesthesia, somno^en'-e, The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila gait disturbance, speech disturbance, Nayar): (a) and (b). Yes, there were sexual disturbances and dyspnoea. Of persistent complaints of ill-health from these 62 workers, 13 showed symptoms the workers at the Electro Metallurgi and signs of manganese poisoning ind cal Works, Dandeli, which was put were completely disabled; 30 showed into commission in May, 1957. Nine symptoms and signs of manganese poi workers had to be laid off in 1958 and soning and were partially disabled; later paid compensation for total dis and the remaining 19 showed symp ability. toms only of manganese poisoning. 1999 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 2000 Symptoms like asthenia and anorexia went in appeal to the Supreme Court. were common. While the appeal was pending in the (c) The matter has been taken up Supreme Court, Rule 23 of the Mini by Government with the Employees mum Wages (Central) Rules was State Insurance Corporation. amended with effect from the 6th August, 1960. Under this amendment Weekly off for Labourers in Bombay it was provided inter alia that where Port the daily wage was arrived at by 814. Shri Priya Gupta: Will the Min dividing the monthly wage by 26, no ister of Transport and Communications separate payment for the weekly off' be pleased to state: day need be made. (a) whether it i« a fact that the On the 10th October, 1960 the Sup weekly off with payment to the shore reme Court ruled that, on a proper labourers in Bombay Port has been interpretation of Rule 23 as it stood withdrawn; before amendment, there was an obli (b) if so, what are the reasons for gation to make a separate payment for this sudden withdrawal; a weekly off day and that this obliga tion was not discharged by a construc (c) whether it is also a fact that tive payment that might be made by the workers led by the Transport and fixing the daily wage at l|26th of the Dock Workers Union have threatened monthly wage, as the rule required a to go on strike if the same is not separate payment to be made for the restored; and weekly off day in addition to what (d) if so, steps taken by Govern ever was paid on the working days. ment to meet the situation? The Supreme Court took note of the amendment made to Rule 23 but stated The Minister of Shipping in the Min that it would express no opinion as to- istry of Transport and Communications what the position in law was after (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) to (d). Under the amendment. the scheme for decasualisation of shore The Port Trust accordingly paid workers introduced in January, 1949 arrears on account of the payment for at Bombay port in agreement with the the weekly off day to the workers labour union concerned, no provision till the 6th August, 1960. The workers, was made for a separate payment for however, pressed for payment for the the weekly off day as the daily wage weekly off day even after the 6th was arrived at by dividing the relative August, 1960. The matter was under monthly wage by 26 and, therefore, consideration by the Port Trust when, carried a built-in-payment for the the Transport and Dock Workers weekly off day. Later in 1953, how Union threatened to call a strike any ever, the Union demanded separate diy after the 16th July, 1962 if the payment for the weekly off day under issue was not settled before that day. Rule 23 of the Minimum Wages (Cen tral) Rules. The Trustees did not At its meetings held on the 31st July, agree that such payment was legally 1962 the Bombay Port Trust Board de due under Rule 23. The case went up cided that the workers should continue to the Bombay High Court who ruled to be paid wages for the weekly off that the Port Trust were not liable day even after the amended rule came under Rule 23 to make a separate pay into force as the discontinuance of this ment for the Sunday off and that, in payment was being looked upon by any case the daily wage already in the workers as an abridgement of a cluded an element of payment for the long enjoyed benefit. weekly off day. Boycott of Coal Vessels by Dock Then Union continued to press its Workers, Bombay demand. In October, 1957 the demand 815. Shri Priya Gupta: Will the Min was referred to a Tribunal for ister of Railways be pleased to state: cation. The Tribunal also decided against the Union. The workers thefn (a) whether it is a fact that workers 2001 'Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Written Answers 2002. boyc otted the coal vessels recently in Thermal Power Station of the D.V.C. Bombay; which were giving trouble; (b) how many ships carrying coal (b) whether the plants have been^ for railways were affected; taken over from the supplier; (c) what were the reasons of the (c) whether the plants were giving, workers boycotting these vessels; and trouble; (d) whether the demands of the (d) if so, on how many occasion s workmen were met? the plants had been taken out of The Deputy Minister in the Minis service and what were the reasons* try of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz therefor; Khan): (a) Yes; the Transport and (e) whether the plants are deliver Dock Workers Union boycotted vessels ing full output as per the contract carrying loco coal from 4th to 7th with the supplier; and July, 1962 without any previous notice or warning to the coal hamdling con (f) if not, what steps have been tractor. taken or are proposed to be taken* against the supplier for non-fulfil (b) Two ships were affected. ment of the contract? (c) With the appointment of a new coal handling contractor, the Trans The Minister of State in the Minis port and Dock Workers’ Union de try of Irrigation & Power (Shri* manded that all labour engaged by Alagesan): (a):—The Bokaro Fourth the previous contractor for loading Unit which was out of commission! loco coal, should be employed by the since April, 1962. for major repairs,. new contractor even replacing his own was put back into operation on 30th« perma'nent labour and that additional July, 1962. charges for mukadami should also be paid. Units I & II of the Durgapur (d) Yes. The demands have been Thermal Power Station were shut met in full. down on 24th July, 1962, due to an accidental fire. While Unit II was Toll at Jammu and Kashmir Highway repaired and brought back into com 816. Shri R. S. Pandey: Will the mission on the 29th July, 1962, Unit Minister of Transport and Communi No. I continues to be out of commi cations be pleased to state: ssion. Some spare parts are being (a) whether any toll has been col imported for Unit No. I. It is likely lected by the Jammu & Kashmir State to take about two months for recom Government on Jammu and Kashmir missioning this unit. National Highway; (b) and (c):—Yes. (b) il so, the basis on which this (d):—Bokaro Fourth Unit: After has been collected; and taking over from the suppliers on. (c) whether the money so collected 22nd December, 1961, the unit was has been credited to the Central Gov shut down on eight occasions, for ernment? various reasons such as tripping o fr The Minister of Shipping in the Min turbine for low vacuum, excessive istry of Transport and Communica vibration of turbine, replacement of tions (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) to (c). the Governor, fire in coal feeder pipe, The mformation is being collected and leakage in tube of bearing oil cooler, will be laid on the table of the Sabha etc. in due course. Durgapur Thermal Power Station: Durgapur Thermal Station Unit I: After taking over from the 817. Shri Mohamad Elias: Will the suppliers on 11th November, 1961, the Minister of Irrigation and Power bo unit was shut down on three occa pleased to state: sions, on account of fault in the (a) the present position of the vacuum relay, leak in super-heater Bokaro Fourth Unit and Durgapur tubes and accidental fire. 2003 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 2004 Unit No. n. After taking over from lection of the motor vehicles tax and the suppliers on 23rd February, 1962, the taxes on passengers and goods the unit was shut down on two occa carried in them. In regard to octroi sions, on account of leakage of the duties, it was agreed that these should mixing valve of surface attemparator, be abolished in the interests of deve ,and accidental fire. lopment of road transport. The State (e) As a measure of precaution, Governments | Union Administrations the three units are run on nominal concerned have, therefore, been re rating of 75 MW each. However, in quested to examine the manner in the case of Bokaro (IV unit), it has, which the local bodies can be com at present, been limited to 65 MW, pensated for the consequent loss of pending adjustments and full recti revenue and the legislative measures, fication. if any, required for this purpose, in (f) Does not arise. consultation with those interested in Uniform Tax on Motor Vehicles the problem of local finance. 818. Dr. L. M. Singhvi: Will the D. V. C. Canal Minister of Transport and Communi 819. Shri Karjee: Will the Minister cations be pleased to state: of Irrigation and Power be pleased (a) whether it is proposed to intro to state: duce uniform tax on motor vehicles (a) whether it is a fact that five throughout the country; and square miles of arable land was over (b) if so, what steps are being flooded due to a big crack on the left taken in the matter? embankment of the main D. V. C. The Minister of Shipping in the canal on the 19th July, 1962, near Ministry of Transport and Communi village Amirpur-Chitpur; cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) and (b) what is the cause of the crack; ( b ) : The Government of India had (c) whether it is a fact that water been trying to persuade the State supply by that canal was started only Governments to agree to— on the 15th July, 1962; (i) a ceiling on motor vehicles (d) whether the embankment has taxation at 75% of the been repaired; and prevailing rates in Madras (e) whether any step has been State; and taken to avoid such danger in future? (ii) consolidation of all the exis- The Minister of State in the Minis • ting taxes (direct and indi try of Irrigation & power (Shri rect) on motor vehicles into Alagesan): one tax to be collected (a) to (e): The information is through a single agency. being collected and will be laid on 2. Subsequently, iin pursuance of a the Table of the House. recommendation of the Transport Development Council made in March, National Shipping Board 1960, it wias decided that the question 820. Shri Yashpal Singh: Will the of fixing a ceiling on motor vehicles Minister of Transport and Commu taxation need not be pursued, for the nications be pleased to state: present. (a) whether a meeting of the 3. As regards consolidation of taxes, National Shipping Board was held on the matter was discussed at the meet the 8th July, 1962; ings of the Road and Inland Water (b) if so, the decisions taken there Transport Advisory Committee and in? the Transport Development Council The Minister of Shipping in th# held in 1961. It was generally felt Ministry of Transport and Commu that the taxes on goods and passengers nications (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) A were not strictly taxes on vehicles and, meeting of the National Shipping therefore, their consolidation with the Board was held on the 7th July, 1962. motor vehicles tax was not necessary. (b) It is understood that the main It was, however, agreed that there decisions taken by the Board at the should be a single agency for the col meeting were as follows:— 2005 Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 18^4 (SAKA) Written Answer 2006 (1) Adoption of the Annual Re Package Programme in Cachar Dis ports of the Board for the years trict of Assam? 1960-61 and 1961-62 for submis sion to Government of India. The Minister of State in the Minis try of Food and Agriculture (Dr. Ram (2) Adoption o f the Report of Subhag Singh). The approval of the the Coastal Shipping Committee Government of India to the imple fixing a revised target of 3.45 mentation of the Intensive Agricul lakhs GRT for coastal shipping for tural District Programme in Cachar the Third Plan. District, selected by the Government of Assam, was conveyed to them on (3) Adoption of the Report of the understanding that the programme the Committee of the Board which would be launched in the field only examined the question of alloca after the cooperative structure, which tion of the financial provision in is extremely weak in the district, had the Third Plan. been sufficiently strengthened and (4) Decision to represent to other preparatory measures complet Government the need for spread ed. This was followed bv the visit of ing over of the development a Team, comprising the representa rebate over a period of five to six tives of the Department of Agriculture years. and the Reserve Bank of India, in April, 1962 to study the existing (5) Decision to approach Gov status of Hie cooperative move ernment for the issue of com- ment and suggest measures to memoratory stamps on Indian strengthen it. The team has shipping attaining the figure of made a number of recommenda one million GRT. tions which the State Government have been asked to implement on a Anti-Cholera Campaign in Delhi high priority basis and also under take other preparatory measures such f Shri Ram Ratan Gupta: as appointment of additional rtalT, 82 ' \ Shri Yashpal Siogh: training of staff, organisation of 1 Will the Minister of Health be benchmark and assessment survey, pleased to state: establishment of a nucleus informat io n unit for intensive educational # (a) the success achieved by anti drive and making 'adequate arrange cholera campaign in Delhi this year; ments for stocking of supplies within and easy reach of the farmers. After the (b) the amount spent so far? preparatory work has been complet ed, w'hich may take at least a year, the programme will be 1‘aunched in The Minister of Health (Dr. Sus the field. hila Nayar): (a) From 1st April, 1962 to the 31st July, 1962, there has been Gas Turbine Plant at Namrup, Assam no case of cholera in Delhi. 823. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the Ob) From 1st April, 1962 to 31st Minister of Irrigation and Power be July, 1962, a sum of approximately pleased to state: Rs. 88,700 was spent on anti-cholera operations in Delhi. (a) whether an agreement, for the supply of a complete gas turbine plant Package Programme in Cachar for installation at Namrup. Assam has District been reached with the Westinghouse Electric International Companv of 822. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the New York; Minister of Food and Agriculture be pleased to state the progress made in (b) if so, at what cost the plant is regard to the implementation of the to be imported and by what Mne; and 1477 (Ai) LS—5. 2007 Written Answers AUGUST 10, 1962 Written Answers 2008 (c) what are the other terms oif Calcutta—Assam Freighter Service the agreement? 825. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi The Minister of State in the Minis cations be pleased to state: try of Irrigation and Power (Shri Alagesan): (a) Yes. (a) whether shortage of freighter aircrafts in causing huge accumula (b) The FOB cost of the three units tion of Second fresh tea in Assam of 23 MW Gas turbines, including waiting to be airlifted to Calcutta; spfcres, is 3*05 crores. The first and unit will be despatched in 7 months (b) if so, what action is being taken from the date of the order and there by Government in the matter? after the remaining two at two months’ interval each. The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Transport and Communications (c) The main terms of the agree (Shri MoBtiuddin): (a) and (b). The ment are contained in the Statement position regarding airlift of Second laid on the Table of the House, [See Fresh tea from Assam was stated to be Appendix I, annexure No. 78.] apprehensive during May and June partly due to shortage of aircraft and partly due to weather conditions. Indian Airlines Corporation operated additional flights during last month and it is understood that the Indian Tea Association now consider the position satisfactory. The Booking sft faCT* qa^IlT^1 : cRT Agents have no pending Tea Airlift cNT JrTrW q fvTT commitment. far : Shipping Space for Tea Exports ( ^ ) ^TT ^TTfT TT^T 826. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi cations be pleased to state: i i t ; " (aT whether it is a fact that suffi cient shipping space has not been ( * r ) w made available for tea exports from *T f w I ; Cochin and that large quantities had accumulated in Cochin port in the last two weeks of July; and (*r) TOft m\*14 SRT’l % I^ ^TT’jf'TT ^ ; (b) if so, what action has been taken to ease the situation? The Minister of Shipping in the Ministry of Transport and Communi (sr) ft, eft ^-^ft OT^t cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) Yes, f^rr ^rr T^T ^ ? Sir. cT^T Sfjfa *f^T?T3r * (b) Government took up the matter with the Malabar Coast/U.K.—Conti (sft*o*T o *n*m) : (^r) (^ ) ^ nent Conference and as a result gf ^rmrrft *r +r ^ ^ < rs t shipping space as required by the Tea ^ sir | sftr tkm in warehouses at Cochin has T$J | I *fk q^TT eased considerably with the increased shipping opportunities. ^t# P.C.Os. in Pnnjab wrfa*rcft uftr «tt *nfc*mt w tt 827. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the * TH fRTTT Minister of Transport and Communi cations be pleased to state: wt : W wft 5RTR ^t fTTT fa> : (a) whether it is a fact that due to shortage of new lines and wire (*r) vrrom % snforrcft srh materials, Public Telephone Call Offices could not be installed in many *rtr jfr-mfirwRft st^pt eirtf 3r places in Punjab; f%cT*T Tft^r ^Tt % ’tiiHn ^; (b) if so, what steps Government (*r) ^rrfkwFft snrnr i«?Ti it are taking in the matter; and ZTRTRTRT *TT-*nf^T*ft 5T9H (c) how long will 'it take to meet % ^PT fSTFT % ^ ^T% the shortage? TTTR7T ^t ^TT jft^TTT ^ ? The Deputy Minister in the Minis try of Transport and Communications w ^qrw?ft («ft ho #o (Shri Bhagavati): (a) to (c). 24 Public m ^ n ft) : (*?) Call Offices have been sanctioned and are pending installation. Some delay TT^ft, *jt frrm mfc % in supply of materials to work is oc w n x ^f^PT ?T^t # ^Tlcfr I curring as the demand is increasing rapidly and resources are limited. T^ff ^ STTOTT fta i Orders have been placed for posts and ^TcTT I I *ft JTFfr TTf t wire materials for these offices and ^ | I the works are expected to be started during this year. ( : apn % r^^TT, ?fk ^Tq-^ f7TT % +i IH (7c1F i 'TfT^T^PT far : fq-^K feTT ^lldl ^ I ( ^ ) fc m ftar f^r % ^ r f tT# 5TTRT ^ Tpft Autonomous Corporation for Railways fr ^ ft TROT ^TT 'JTT 830. Shri Hem Barua: Will the Min f t *FTT sftr ister of Railways be pleased to state: (* 0 vfk err, ft ^ wm aft*r (a) whether the attention of Gov ernment has been drawn to a resolu t ? tion unanimously adopted at the convention of the All India Railway- f * * f f cRT f^TBTrT *T3rFT*T if TFFX men’s Federation urging Government («ft sa^q- «pnf ^TT to create an autonomous corporation to run the railways; and f t *t*tt t i trfTTfhrrr *rt (b) if so, the reaction of Govern f> " f % TT2T f%q7 3TT ment thereto? 2 0 11 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Written Answers 2012 The Deputy Minister in the Ministry The Deputy Minister in the Minis of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Khan): try of Railways (Shri Shahnawas (a) Excepting for certain reports ap Khan): (a) No. pearing in the Press, Government have not received any resolution pass (b) Does not arise. ed by the All India Railwaymens Federation at its Annual Convention *TTOT— Tpfta TI3R^ at Udaipur. (b) In view of reply to part (a) of *3 3 . s ftn ro s p p : 5RT qfTSTipc the question, this does not arise. cTOT fTCTT : Road Accidents in Delhi JL_1 f Shri P. C. Borooah: (*r) ^ I fa “ • \ Shri Dalijt Singh: TftiW i 3ft fTfaTT Will the Minister of Transport and f’T'tAldf ^ \3% «Ft sffaRT. Communications be pleased to state: 5RTf 3fT (a) the number of road traffic ac (*r) ^ SFT cidents in Delhi and New Delhi during the last 3 months; |£Wt Railway Accidents Enquiry Committee (b) the funds allotted for this year; f Shri P. C. Borooah: (c) when the construction work is IWZ‘ \ Shri Kajrolkar: likely to start; and Will the Minister of Railways be (d) the time of its completion? pleased to state: The Minister of Shipping in the (a) whether a preliminary report Ministry of Transport and Communi has been prepared by the two techni cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) It has cal members of the Railway Accidents been decided to provide a separate Enquiry Committee; and deck for road traffic on the existing railway bridge at Kalpi at the time (b) if so, what are the findings/ the Railway authority take up the recommendations contained in the work of regirdering their bridge. The report? plans and estimates for this work are 2013 'Written Answers SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA) Written Answer 20 1^ being prepared by the Central ftail- (b) if so, whether any blue print way. has been prepared; and (b) Does noT arise as the work has (c) what is the amount involved? not been as yet sanctioned. The Deputy Minister in the Ministry (c) The work will be started after of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): the plans and estimates have been (a) No. finalised. (B) and (c). Do not arise. (d) About the end of the Third Five Year Plan. Burglary in Post Office at Ayyappan- Kovil Bridge over River Pahooj 837. Shri Ravindra Varma: Will the Minister of Transport and Communi 835. Shri Ram Sewak: Will the Min cations be pleased to state: ister of Transport and Communications be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that Post Office at Ayyapjfonkovil (Kerala) was (a) whether it is a fact that Gov broken into and burgled during June, ernment propose to construct a Road 1962; Bridge on river Pahooj near Gopal- pura or Nadigaon villages of Jalaun (b) if so, what is the estimated loss District of Uttar Pradesh with the of money and postal property; and collaboration of Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh Governments; , (c) what steps Government have taken to reinforce the security of the post office at Ayyappankovil and (b) “If so, what amount will be similar places in the forest regions of spent over its construction; and Kerala? (c) wfiat would be the contribution The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of both the State Governments and of Transport and Commujik’ations how much time will be taken to com (Shri Elhagavati): (a) Yes Sir. plete its construction? (b) Rs. 3.21 nP. only. The Minister of Shipping in the Ministry of Transport and Commiwi- (cj Ayyappankovil Post Office is an cations (Shri Raj Bahadur): (a) to (c). Extra Departmental Branch Office. A scheme for the construction of a Extra Departmental Branch Post high level bridge over the river masters make their own arrangement.' Pahooj near Nadigaon at an estimated for the safe custody of Govt, cash and cost of Rs. 1.50 lakhs is included in valuables. Ayyappankovil Branch the proposals submitted by the Gov Post Office has been shifted to a safer ernment of Uttar Pradesh for grants- locality. No special security measures, in-aid for new road schemes of State apart from normal police arrange roads of inter-State or economic im ments made by the State Govern portance in the current Five-Year ment, are considered necessary for Plan. These proposals are being Post Offices in other similar places in examined. the forest regions of Xerala. Circular Railways for Bangalore City ^ sflr 836. Shri Kajrolkar: Will the Minis art : ters of Railways be pleased to state: «iriTri *rt $'WT 4*X*i f^r * (a) whether it is a fact that Govern ( m) °prr sq i % T ment are considering a proposal for a circular railway for Bangalore City; 2015 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1962 Calling Attention to 2016 Matters of Urgent r * Public Importance ( * l ) W % q f ^ P T cT^rr ^‘grTT xte'rVT ^ ^ *V STT^ % % mT rf^TT *jP^r ^TTT t r ; («ft ^ -c T t) : (^T) ^ft ^t, ^rrsr %f\T snft srrft | i (*r) ^rfeff, < ft^ fa R ^ *m *r ( ^ ) ^ R T % tR ^3% *r ?ftT °RT ? ^ T q^T qT T??T f^^T 3fRri 1 ^=R ThlT^RT H (sft flo Jo TT*TRT*ft) : (^r) ^ (q-) 3R ^ 12.08 hrs. *T T ? R ^ T T ^ T q H i 4 V ^TT ^ s f t CALLING ATTENTION TO W *T*R ^ R viTWi % ^TP-T ?FT ®fT? MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ^r r t *Rt *ft i *rfaR % srfsRrrer (i) Closure of Branch Office o f ctrt =Efrfr %ftx z r f #5rtc Rehabilitation at Calcutta * R t I mwTR ?frt% % SRSfTT % ^T ?ft% Shri Dinen Bhattacharya (Seram- 5RRt *Rt ^R^t TT vRR ^TTrfV ^ pore): Sir, under Rule 197, I beg to iTl < '3^T ^T 5RT^rTr f^TT 'jfldl ^ ; call the attention of the Minister of Works, Housing and Supply to the ( ? ) w r m % zPff rrvn ^ following matter of urgent public im portance and I request that he may fafrsR jft *r ; make a statement thereon: ( ^ ) <-i^R ^irf % f£-f*R “The closure of the Branch Office of Rehabilitation at Cal '^R % TRt rITT) \ o o ^ spt c^ft cutta” . 5f; The Deputy Minister in the Minis (3) ^Tfaqf%€t *ftr try of Works, Housing and Supply (Shri P. S. Naskar): The Ministry of q fw sft tfftm r *r i Relief and Rehabilitation was set up in September 1947 to deal with the FTRT S|rt SfR f f l f t problem of the displaced persons who 5R^t *T f^RT cTTC % *ft ^P»T #, migrated from West Pakistan to India 'drT^ % ^rf^°h d < ^RTf % ^ T R '37^R and was later entrusted with the work of relief and rehabilitation also of the *R sftT ^T=Ff ^ % #>T ?ft displaced persons who came to India ^R ^Tt^V f^R fl %SRH7T from East Pakistan. While the move ment from West Pakistan was in one * f t T O TT?fet*R I spurt, in the Eastern region the influx took place in several spurts. In Dec * « T T t * T H \$&n ember 1954, the Headquarters of the Union Minister for Rehabilitation was «;3 £. «ft * m * t : W qfTST^^WT moved from Delhi to Calcutta with a view to day to day attention being WTT ipft ^ «RR Vt f^T ^T paid to the problem of relief and fw : rehabilitation in the Eastern regioa. 2017 Calling Attention SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) to Matters of 2018 Urgent Public Importance From 1955 onwards, steps were With the finalisation of the assess taken to formulate schemes for effec ment of the residuary problem in tive and speedy rehabilitation of the West Bengal and in other States, the refugee families. These schemes size of the problem was determined covered not only rehabilitation within and the requirements of funds was the States of West Bengal, Assam and known. Thereafter, the implementa Tripura where migration took place, tion of schemes for the liquidation of but also outside in other States and in the residuary problem is for the the Dandakaranya area. Steps were States and not for the Centre. also taken for the size of the problem to be determined in consultation with The emergency created in 1947 at the State Governments concerned so the time of partition is over. The Min that plans and programmes could be istry of Rehabilitation was in conse drawn up for the liquidation of the quence closed. For the remaining problem. work, a Department of Rehabilitation is now functioning under the Ministry In December 1957, it was decided of Works, Housing and Supply. Along that migrants coming from East Pakis with this change, the Headquarters of tan to India alter the 1st April, 1958 the Minister of Rehabilitation were would not be eligible for any rehabi transferred to Delhi in April 1962. litation assistance and a system of There is no question, thereafter, of a priorities for migration certificates was Branch Secretariat of the Department introduced and the emphasis changed of Rehabilitation continuing in Cal from relief to rehabilitation. cutta. Just as the other Ministries of the Government*of India deal with the State Governments from New By the end of 1961, all relief camps Delhi in respect of subjects with Which in West Bengal had been closed. Re they are concerned, the Department of lief camps in other States had been Rehabilitation can also deal with the closed even earlier. The problem of Government of West Bengal and other relief has therefore been liquidated. States from New Delhi. I have al Rehabilitation schemes drawn up by ready assured the Chief Minister of the Government of West Bengal for West Bengal that in regard to the resi settlement of camp families within the duary work of rehabilitation in the State were sanctioned and the resi State, there would be no interruption duary problem assessed. The Danda- in the continuity of policy and direc karnya scheme had got. well under tion. I also wish to assure the House way and was functioning smoothly. that the closure of the Branch Secre The Government of West Bengal was tariat at Calcutta, which is a logical adequately represented on the Danda sequel to the closure of the Ministry karanya Development Authority and of Rehabilitation, will in no way affect the Authority had been vested with the policy and programme of the reha large powers to enable it to function bilitation of the partially rehabilitated effectively. Various items of work persons in the State of West Bengal. which the Ministry of Rehabilitation had been dealing all these years were Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: May I transferred to the permanent Minis know whether it is a fact that in the tries concerned such as educational past there was a similar attempt on facilities to the Ministry of Education, the part of the Ministry to close down medical facilities to the Ministry of the branch office of the Rehabilitation Health, training schemes to the Min Ministry at Calcutta but being faced istry of Labour and Employment, in with the tremendous mass movement dustrial schemes to the Ministry of the Government had to abandon that Commerce and Industry, maintenance idea? Now, it is again being closed of Homes to the Ministry of Education down. I want to know how the Gov and all work in Tripura to the Minis ernment propose to solve the resi try of Home Affairs. duary problems. The hon. Minister, Calling Attention AUGUST 16, 1962 to Matters of Urgent 2020 Public Importance [Shri Dinen Bhattacharya] during the budget discussion on the Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: By the last occasion, gave a solemn assur Centre itself and by the same Minister ance. How do they propose to solve too. the residuary problems after the closure of the branch office at Cal C racker explosion near Red Fort , cutta? Delhi Mr. Speaker: He had already a supplementary prepared perhaps. SWKiqfc STTFsft (fasFfft) • Otherwise, the whole statement gives p W , A ftflPT U'S * the answer to this very question. Shri H. P. Chatterjee (Nabadwip): sfp; SFT3T The residuary problem has not been mitttt it solved. The Minister assured pre g ■■ - f-r ^ it viously in solemn words that the s m r § :— residuary problem will be looked after by the Centre. It should not be. therefore, transferred to the West Bengal Government. They The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri have not agreed to it, so far as my Lai Bahadur Shastri): A cracker ex information goes. So, when there is ploded near the La j pat Rai Market, still the residuary problem, when P. S. Kotwali, at about 12.20 A.M. on there is still so much suffering the >night between the 14th and the amongst the refugees, if it is admitted, 15th August, 1962. Five persons re why this closure of the branch in ceived superficial and minor injuries. Calcutta? Mr. Speaker: He has given a very aft ( detailed reply. The answer has been W rfi f^TT ^ given that the Central Government % i % f?^fr h w r r ^ has not abdicated its responsibility. It wall continue to take those steps. ? Shri H. P. Chatterjee: He assured STOSr : jf 3 * ^7 ^ previously that the Central Govern ment will look after it. Now he says, jr r wrt *fr *wrr the West Bengal Government will f i cfr look after this. That is not possible. The Minister of Works, Housing and Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri: The ex Supply (Shri Mchr Chand Khanna): plosion was caused by a throw-down We have given two assurances. One I cracker containing some explosive have given personally to the Chief mixture. The police staff present near Minister of West Bengal in writing the spot rounded up seven persons for that the continuity of the work shall invesigation. Three of them were be maintained and the policy that has later on taken into formal custody on been followed up till now shall be account of their suspicious conduct at followed. The second assurance that the time of explosion. Their houses we have given to the House is that as were searched also. The Kotwali far as the partially rehabilitated prob Police has registered a case under sec lem is concerned, that shall be looked tion 6 of the Indian Explosives Act. into and shall be dealt with. The Special Staff which has been set up recently for the investigation of ex Mr. Speaker: By the Centre itself? plosion cases has been entrusted with 2021 Calling Attention SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) to Matters of 2022 Urgent Public Importance the investigation of this case also. ^^t m^TRt ?T ^T The Inspector of Explosives has been summoned from Agra to examine the ^ ctt «n i ^ ^ viTTn^rr ^T^rr g ftr remnants of the cracker and give his ^TT TOT ’T^t f StoK «pt expert opinion on the subject. ^ t h V fss ^pt ^ t i 2RT ?r ^ ^ ^ 5TT f e r i ^t»t Sr d fa *rt if «ft ^TTrT 5TlT^ft : ^Tf ^TTT eft ^ ’pr f^ n k t\ fprsr ^r ^ *m \ ftp T ftw ^ ^r aFff ^th; ^T^r-^rr srft 3^ 3; csr^Tsrf A ftr^r^pft ?r«ft ^ ^ TOT JTOT I \FT % Tf^TPT *ft ^ft ^ jft , Wtr^T TT^t cfr ^<- f [ f&fVZii ^fr I ^ ^ ^ 1%^ f5T^R^r TTSBi f ^TtT ir^fr ^rrn^.\fr jftPT ^ ffopT irsf^friW TOff i Tf SWR^TT ^irft t I l*3fd fit q r o % V ^TTcT^fT =fTphnft 5Ft ot, ^PR ^fvRl ^ f r ^ ftp OT 5FT fa*CT f> i >5ft ft^n? ^?r ^pt ^ ftrr ft, ^ ^ r ^T^fqnfr ^ f t i ?^r <*ttt f w | ^ ^ sft ^rhr cTf ^ | r?r qf eft ^r-sr q^fr^r % t o ^ s’^di^r ^ y;^r f ?ftT 5ft t t t ^^rnr; ^rf^T^r ^5? fw r *pn I1 qrrsf? *?r ^TT ^ | ftp fr irm% if w \ m x q^ tot & it^t- 1 ^ ^3^fat ^ t q # f I ^ fa t ^ ^ ?Tft V^TT 3TW *T(? f% 5W ’TT WftT Pi <4m I <. 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So, I would like to 12.25 hrs. know whether the discussion on that would continue for the whole day or PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE will be postponed to some other day. Indian T elegraph (E ighth A m end Mr. Speaker: He should raise it after m e n t ) Rules we have adopted the motion. The Minister of Transport and Com munications (Shri Jagjivan Ram): I The question is: beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Indian Telegraph (Eighth Amend “That this House agrees with ment) Rules, 1962 published in Notifi the Fourth Report of the Business cation No. S.O. 2158 dated the 14th Advisory Committee presented to July. 1962, under sub-section (5) of the House on the 14th August, section 7 of the Indian Telegraph Act, 1962.” 1885. [Placed .in Library, see No. LT-328'62] The motion was adopted. Report of School H ealth C om m ittee Shri S. M. Banerjee: According to the Order Paper for today, we will The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Health (Dr. D. S. Raju): On behalf now take up further consideration of of Dr. Sushila Nayar, I beg to lay on the Eleventh Report of the UPSC. At 3 p.m. we are going to take up the the Table a copy of Report of the Report of the Commissioner for Lin School Health Committee (Part I). guistic Minorities. I am told that five [Placed in Library, See No. LT-320/ hours have been allotted for the dis 62.] cussion on railway accidents. Does it mean that it will be continued tomorrow or some other day? 12.26 hrs. COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM Mr. Speaker: It will be continued BERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS and it will be given the full time Fifth Report allotted to it. Shri Krishnamoorthy Rao (Shimo- Shri Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- ga): I beg to present the Fifth Report drapara): We have accepted the allot of the Committee on Private Mem ment of five hours for the discussion bers’ Bills and Resolutions. on railway accidents. Since we are at present discussing the report of the UPSC and as we have to take up the 12.261 hrs. Report of the Commisioner for Linguis tic Minorities at 3 p.m. there will be BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE hardly one and a half hours for the Fourth Report discussion on railway accidents today. In this connection I may submit that Shri Rane (Buldana): I beg to move: the discussion of the Report of the “That this House agrees with Commissioner for Linguistic Minori the Fourth Report of the Business ties is on a motion by a private Mem ber, notice for which was given dur Advisory Committee presented to the House on the 14th August, ing the last session. Since the»n, the 1962.” third Report of the Commissioner has been laid on the Table. I suggest that Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): A c we may take up the two reports for cording to the Order Paper, we are discussion together later on. ,2027 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Report of V.P.S.C. 2028 Mr. Speaker: Then Members may object that they did not get advance VF eft ^ t fa 5ft notice. ? vs1 *nPtaM Shri S. M. Banerjee: Will the motion ^rff^cT ^ * p ^ r fixed for 3 p.m. come today or tomorrow? crf^PF sfar vtfhnr ^ Mr. Speaker: Since it is fixed for a ^ ^Tf^f *ft I %fa^ feTT if particular period, we must take it up eft snft >ft §*n 1 1 at that time. After that, we will take ^ 3** *rk *ft mrro f, up the other discussion. ^r^t^rr if srfwfr | Shri S M. Banerjee: After the dis cussion on railway accidents, accord gTTT ^t T^t | SfSTR ipflr % ing to the Order Paper, there are *ftr % FffaT Supplementary Demands for Grants. 3 KT T^t | I * m 1FT 3 TW T ?TiT^ Mr. Speaker: They arc not likely td TTT | ?ftT ^ f^ t ^RTT vorne up today. *TfesTR it ^ f t ifft «Ptf 12.28 hrs. | ?rr^r % «rrc ^ ^ n t ^r > t ?rtr ^rr MOTION RE: REPORT OF UNION PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION— ^trr = ^ 5 , ’rrf^ram? $r, ^ ^ f s r s ff if Con td. ^TcRf if ?nft» ^ r ft ' Mr. Speaker: The House will now ^ 1 % ^ R take u.p further consideration of the ^ f^ 5 snfr ^ w |??t | ? motion moved by Shri Dnt.ar regarding the Eleventh Report of the Union enr f ^ft ^ |?fT I sfir ^ fr Public Service Commission Shri K. ^T% if 3Ft I sfk ?T^ Pnttnavak will continue his speech. n^ft t fqp w h R ^ if fen jiiujii 1 w ^r^PT-^Trrr t stwtct feTFT % fcw Tt? ^nT ^ ^ 35 T^I ^ffsnrrfT % srcr gm I «rV ^ f^F =TT Ti^TT ^TTlr< *To fft ^ | *rz q'^t ^ m\^ri ^ ^ r r m if otVtpt % skt 5RT ^T?T f^TT oflrTT eft ^ ifTTJT g*TF, f 3Rr& fa $ ^fr 1 5ft f^ ir^ R t % 5RIHH if ^ q r «ft; ^ f ^ ^ r f t ^t ^ ^ Pn?r 1 ftifef '4T, ^nr^ff TO- f , ^'CT ?T^t CTT^ | •^t w f ^ r ^H'ft ^nftTZTcTT f^TFt % f^PT f ^ r % q- sfrt t f^RT % *mr?i v ^TT ^ Hl^fl ^1^11 eft ^ *nft ?ft srprre f^^rr?r % sn sn : gt | f t =^ 5T I ^ if ^ ?ft £' ti*r $ $ =3rtt OT^Tt ^nrT =it^ ^ ?nft ef+' f 1 vfr ^ttct | ^ | ft? ^ t , far 1 ^ ^rr5 1 ^ w<^r+* ^T TfT |l STS Tft mX STFRfa *Tf ’TT^T & ^THT t TO $ ?TTOT ^ T n ^ *Ft ^FtftRT ^ | ?ftr ^rrftnr ^ eft ^rfra it, *nr^rre % ^fafrc it, v m w ^tft^tftr^ft^T^T^ "^*M WPT *Jf *Ht % F*T^ ft Tf i^d +t^rr^d 1 tt^t ^ 'fl^ll I ^TT pTSf^nT ^ ft: ■3<}&y\ it p r t 1 qrr ^ ^t *T ^FT I ^ ^T^T |T^ ^ r f t ^ft ^ TT!ft ^ ■j^t w r ?rf ^Fn^T.TRr §^rr «tt ft: ftRRT * *Tf vt ^f*TT ^TfrTT g ftrq f^ •»ft ^ranxt ^nr 1 ^ ^f^rr % tff%*T +*A^h vt qf ?ft w r ^TT %ft?T ^ft: *Tf ^R*T ftRT^ ft> '3fr ?n^T utptf? r ^ i t it gr srorc $, mfo ^fto tt^o ?fh; qrfo ^*1^) <£M, 'JH+T T*T <£^T ^TT *T ft ITo r^fTo ,MLhH< :3»T% ^fd^fii % srtt snreft % OTPt S ^ ' ( i m |*tt fe^TPT) ^lldl «?r, ^ R li ^ rfnft jf f^ T sqnr *r*ft ^ r qfarro stftt 1 vtftRT «TT% ^Fi^T^T ^ft ft, tr^T fefcl? ^tTT ^TfT jp I ^rwfR ir ^Tft ^?rt fcrr i ^r% nal^ snf® tfto rr^fo sftr ?rrfo tto two % cftr M *, ^r ”FT^FT +'t 'd'^lfd it ^ M d't*" srrfwT % t t i ^ srnrT t 1 ^rr »^rff^rT ?Tft ft^TT ^T TOT | I ^ wf^> te% t^rr ft srs Tf^ f , *rttt % ^RT ^ O^CIo l < «?, W t cR f ^ q f vff -ql^dl g ft? 1TOTT ^*rr ft ^r- f 1 srrfo tto tt^o wijfi ^t ^ft Tf^r ^ r | fft d«* [« f t fa© ^ f ^ ^ft »Rrf^Tt | Pf <5fa el % ^To^TT^T *TR ^TVcTT ^ ^ T ?T5S( 'T^t <^T 71% 5f?T WT-#rft? sfa eR*[ & STPT ^^RTT ^ ^T TT^ | I ift 5F^ ^T 5T^PT ^ T «fgel ^ ^ 1 ^sS^p t qT® “F t v* j ^i ^ 5ft Wfaf 5ffq7T ^ tT ^ : i ^fcr ?r ^r ^r HeiH^ ^rr *fl< ?HftR 3FT ^R vfjiriT, ^ ^TT 5T^TT *TT ^ ^T^t 5fPPTT ^ I ^ ^TWeTT ^ fa % tfiM F*H 3f?f SpTeTT ^ t ^ T ^»T ^T elleM^I ^ ^ f a ^Heil % ^T^T ^R 3T^T, 5ReTT % ^TPT s fa eR^ & vjff ^T 3ft yvTV '3^T ^T ■3^T SReTTW ^ R ^ i< i ? w m x t % H M ^ T T * h ? 5fa eR^ & TferfeeT ^IdT ■•t 5r^t ^rrWt sftr I WERt % ^ ^ ^R+R spT 5ft ?t f t % ^ d r f % *t p t ^ ^ ?ft o t T^h f m W F T ^TOf eRto I ^T ^t t ft g ?rr «ftcft % ^t p t m r ^ f c t £ ^mt ^rfkq- ^qrfa ^pr rf^far ^iw *n it ffW t eft ¥ t fft 3TPT S f a *TPT fp r r eft f ^ftm % ^t p t ft-^f ^ r ^PTcTT ^TT VT with certain recommendations of the UPSC and if in the explanatory 1 memorandum which they submit they could satisfy the House about the ^ 0 3TRT A ^ ^pTT ^ I ^el I j? justification for their disagreement. f^F— ^ rfo ^41 I have no hesitation in saying in the $5TT Wfftr ^ — ?u£o *fto four cases in which Government have ^ fn^di ^ d i ^ 1 ?rrf° disagreed with the UPSC, Government * f t o I T ^ o ^ f t S P T T ^ are on a sound wicket, and the House =f>T «ft ^ STTf o iTo IT^-O STWff gives full support to Government in % their disagreement with the UPSC, uNk if I particularly regarding the period of f i r H i i i t ^ i i e t probation for the IAS officers. Every Mojnber who had given some thought sft vjiHdl % *1 sft tl+et I 'HIT to this matter had supported Govern ?PTt >ft sfpff ^Tt "4dl ^TRTT ^ ^ft ment’s decision that the period of pro ^ReTT ^H*fl ^ ? w fo tfto tT^fo bation should be increased from one year to two years. . ?ftr ?rrfo tr<> tt^o [Shri Harish Chandra Mathur] question last time when we discussed general elections? The most im the Report—is thia. Let us take stock portant complaint during the general of the situation after 14 years. Have elections was against the administra we after these 14 years of experiment tion. Their complaint was about and experience been able to improve corruption, about delays, about the real standards and are we having harassment, their complaint was that a set of officers who fulfil the needs there was no human approach to the of the country or not? The Union problems and that there was no Public Service Commission recom developmental approach to the pro mends to Government regarding re blems. Now, who is responsible to cruitment of officers, their training, answer this charge-sheet which has their probation, their promotion and been levelled by the public at large, their punishment. So at every stage, the entire public of this country, or the UPSC comes into the picture sftd the Government. It has 'been accept is supposed to be there to inject good ed on all hands that the programmes health into the services. The UPSC and policies of this Government, the and the Home Ministry together are Congress Government, are almost un responsible for the good health of the exceptionable. They have to be services in the country. supported. At least I stand here without a twinge of my conscience to say that the policies and programmes Last time when we discussed this chalked out by the Congress Govern matter, we had before us the remarks ment and which have been given for of Mr. Justice Mulla and other judges the caountry*s benefit, for its social about the IPS. Though on the floor advance, are almost unexceptionable. ef this very House, I had spoken while There can be nothing better in the discussing this matter that sweeping circumstances, but in spite of these remarks such as those passed by Mr. policies and programmes, what Justice Mulla were not supported by happens about implementation, and me, still the situation remains as it is. who is responsible for the im While speaking about the IAS officer*, plementation except these services and I quoted Sardar Panikkar and I asked the instruments which we are using Government to take note of* it. We for the implementation of these pro would like to know whether we have grammes? Have We given after these introduced any improvement in the 14 years, and this is the fifteenth year, matter of selection, in the method of any consideration to this matter? training and in the matter of the pro bation period on the advice of the I posed this question last time when Union Public Service Commission, we discussed the report of the Union and whether later on certain stan Public Service Commission. I say this dards had been laid down which would question has now been posed by the make the service cater for the needs entire country, and I would like to of the country and of the society draw the attention of the hon. Minister today. to what the Rashtrapati said only day before yesterday in his message to the nation on the eve of the fifteenth The hon. Minister should have anniversary of our Independence. thrown some light on these matters. Speaking from that position, he had, But I find the situation remains as it of course, to use very mild language. is. I posed the question the country I would just like to read a few lines has now posed; it is not only Mr. out of what the Rashtrapati said. Justice Mulla or Sardar Panikkar but What the Rashtrapati said was: the entire country has posed this question to the Home Ministry now. 'The implementation of the Plan What was the complaint during the has been somewhat inadequate..* Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Report of U.P.S.C 2038 Now, what is significant is what he the old ICS and IAS and what their gays are the causes why the im mental approach was. I feel deeply plementation has been inadequate. concerned about it. There is no deve He says: lopmental approach, there is no human approach, and I do not know “ ....becau se there is little what steps the Government hate emotional involvement on the taken in this matter. part of the staff—managerial and subordinate— in the great nation I am quite aware, while accusing al work they are engaged in. It the services, of those people who are is essential for our public services in charge of their good health, and whether they are engaged in I think I would say that the non Government services or public officials, including the Ministers, are and private industries, that they responsible to a very great extent for should have a sense of pride in the erosion in the morals and the their work. They should feel that good working of the services. I am they are engaged in a bloodless quite aware of it, but even here, it revolution of raising the living is the Ministry of Home Affairs who standards of 440 millions of can do something in the matter, who people and strengthening their owe a responsibility in the matter to moral fibre. All those who work for the country, who have to find out to the people should be humble, what extent corrosion has taken place kind and considerate. Economic in the services because of the inter development and clean adminis ference of the non-officials or Minis tration will help to strengthen ters and their stooges, how far the national solidarity.” services are not permitted to fuction in the manner in which they ought The biggest problem before the to function, and what safeguards are country, therefore, is whether we provided against it. That is another have been able to inject these stand big problem which has to be posed ards, these: traits of character into before the Home Ministry. our services. What steps have been taken, what suggestions have been mede by the Union Public Service I do not know if they have even Commission to make our services revise^ their code of conduct for the such that they discharge their res services. I should like to know from ponsibilities adequately? That is the the Home Minister how many cases crucial problem before us. they have referred for punishment where there have been inordinate It has been found that even preli delays, where under the protection of minary attention has not been paid to a rule an officer has conducted him certain most important and funda self in a manner that we have wasted mental things. Our services still thousands and lakhs of rupees, just remain rule-oriented. Rules and because he has been seeking protec regulations are supposed to help the tion behind a particular rule, whether administration to go ahead, but these they are developmental minded or rule-oriented services are the greatest not, whether the approach not only blockade in the developmental pro of the services, but the approach of gress of this country. Whether it is the Ministry itself has changed or the big businessman, whether it is not, whether they have revised the small businessman, whether it is their code of conduct or not, whether the agriculturist, everybody is full of they have charge-sheeted people for complaints against these methods and these deficiencies and faults or not. procedures, and much more than that, the mental approach and the mental I would next submit that we have attitudes of the services. They have this Constitution, and in this Consti not been able to do during these 15 tution we have made a special pro years anything. I am not talking of vision for the Union Public Service 1477 (Ai) LSD—6. 2039 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Report of U.P.S.C. 2040 [Shri Harish Chandra Mathur] Commission, but today the position is enterprises are concerned, we do not that I do not think the Union Public know anything «bout them. No report Service Commission is responsible for is submitted. They have given this even one-third of the appointments report for one-third of the recruit which are made. Two-thirds of the ment, but what about the other two- appointments are made directly by thirds? Who is giong to submit a one body or the other. We have now report to this House, how is this got the public undertakings. They are House going to consider it, and how autonomous bodies. I do not mean to are we going to discharge our res say the recruitment to the public ponsibility in this matter? undertakings should also be through Even to the limited extent to which the Union Public Service Commis an industrial-administrative pool was sion, but if the constitution-makers constituted, we do not know anything thought it fit to make a special provi about it. I put a question. They had sion for a body which would be selected 170 or 175 officers some tw o responsible for the recruitment, pro or three years back, and everybody motion etc., of the Government Ser has been absorbed leaving aside pos vices, what right has any Govern sibly five or six, some of whom are ment or any officer to make their not available. We do not know to this own laws outside Parliament, and day how the recruitment is going without the sanction of Pari ament to ahead, how the managerial staff is make recruitment to the extent of being recruited, and what is being two-thirds of the public services? It done. I think it was on these matters is the responsibility of this Parlia that the hon. Minister, while initiat ment to see that this matter is ing the discussion, should have thoroughly con.sidercd, and a proper thrown some light and taken the organisation is set up. It definitely House into confidence. means indirectly that our Union Pub lic Service Commission is an out 1.3 hrs. dated body, which is not fit for effect ing the recruitment and looking after I will only refer to afew points the conditions of service of public which have been mentioned in this. undertakings. If it is so, then defi We find certain appointments have nitely it is the responsibility of this been excluded from the purview of Parliament, and I crave your indul the Commission. They have been gence to request the appointment of mentioned at page 3 and in Appen a parliamentary committee which dix IV. They services and the desig will report only to Parliament. I do nations of the posts are given, such not ask the Government to appoint a as ‘Posts on the Secretariat and Per committee. It should be a parliamen sonal staff of the President of India’. tary committee which should go into the entire question as to how far the This report makes mention of two Public Service Commission today is a exemptions regarding the posts and fit instrument to look after the rec services concerned with the adminis ruitment of the entire services, the tration of Naga Hills-Tuesang Area various other services for which and the Officer for Parliamentary certain different arrangements ought Affairs in the Ministry of Home to be made, and the nature of that Affairs. organisation which has got to be set up. That organisation must receive Regarding these two posts, in fact, the sanction of Parliament before it we made a mistake when this thing functions. was moved here on the floor of the House. I moved a motion objecting If you look into the report, you to the authority being delegated to the will find that so far as the public Government to exempt certain ser 2041 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Report of U.P.S.C. 2042 vices, between themselves and the Secretariat. I can understand some U, P. S. C. It was the function of justification if the Prime Minister Parliament to examine all that. But, had asked for exemption of certain however, things are laid on the posts, for keeping people of his per Table of the House. sonal confidence where certain things are transacted in a manner and where the personal equation of the Prime What intrigues me in this report is Minister with those officers is the that these two, the services concern essential thing. The Prime Minister ed with the administration of Naga has not asked for this. I see very Hills-Tuensang Area and the Officer little justification for this. for Parliamentary Affairs in the Home Ministry, are to be exempted There is another thing. The Chair and the Commission had agreed for man of the Union Public Service a limited period for the first. I can Commission goes abroad to various understand that. But there is no countries to make certain recruit mention about the Commission's ments. About 50 persons have been agreement regarding the other posts, appointed from them. I do not mind the posts on the Secretariat and Per if some of our Indian scientists con sonal staff of the President and posts tinue to serve in foreign countries. in the Vice-President’s Secretariat, It adds to the glory and dignity of and Official Liquidators under the this country. Companies Act, 1956. There is no mention as to what is the Commis While speaking on this subject, the sion’s view. It is for the hon. Minister other day, the Minister of Education to throw some light as to why these gave me the fullest support. This posts should be exempted from the was raised by me while discussing purview of the Commission. the Demands for the Ministry of Education. Certain hon. Members We do not want that the Secre just jeered; but I raised this point 1 tariat of the President and the Vice- said, what difference would it Presidcnt should become the personal make; and, if these people have affair of these high degnitaries. They any sense of patriotism, there is no should be drawn through the Public reason why they should not come here. Service Commission as had been done Why should the Chairman of the Union so far. What new difficulties have Public Service Commission go> hunting come in the way of the Home Ministry for individuals from abroad? I do not about the staff of the President or the grudge the Chairman of the Com Vice-President? Why should there mission a trip to all the foreign coun be this exemption; and has this tries once a year. But, I d:> not think exemption also got the concurrence that this is very healthy and should of the Service Commission or not? continue. Even if it has the concurrence of the I also wish to invite the attention of Public Service Commission, I do not the hon. Minister to the recruitment of know why any personal atmosphere the All India Services. Now, I think, is being created round the President there is a very unhealthy tendency and the Vice-President. They are the which is developing in all the 'States, greatest public dignitaries and they to expand the cadre of IAS. Even should draw people from the regular th^e jobs which should definitely be services. I can understand the Private left for the Provincial Services, which Secretary or a particular officer should be left for the educationists and being left to the discretion of the which should be left to somebody else President or the Vice-President. We are being taken over by the IAS; and allow this also to the Ministers. They the strength of IAS is increasing every can also have their Private Secre day. I can understand the IAS officer taries or Personal Assistants appoint being in his proper place where his ed by themselves, but not the entire administrative abilities are required. 2043 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Report of U.P.S.C. [Shri Harish Chandra Mathur] But, if you look at the list you will tion. But so far as his debate is con find that the Vice-Chancellor otf an cerned, it is about the activities of the Agricultural University is an IAS offi UPSC. (Interruption) cer. It is fantastic. It is doing the greatest injustice to the university; it Shri Harish Chandra Matliur: is doing the greatest injustice to the criticising the Home Ministry so far Agriculture department to permit an ®s this is concerned. The States do IAS officer to be the Vice-Chancellor not fix the number; it is the Home Mi of an agricultural university. nistry that fixes the number. I do not know whether the approval of the Only the other day, I read about a UPSC is taken for fixing the number. certain panel of names recommended I want the Minister to tell me. Defini by the Aligarh University. They want tely, it is the Home Ministry that fixes ed to include the name of an IAS offi the number of IAS officers in consul cer. There was no justification for tation with the States. It is their job tliat and there was resentment in the to do it; it is on the basis of that they academic world and that is justified if ask the UPSC to just make the rec such things are permitted to happen. ruitment. I do not want to go into details; but I hav^ at least half a dozen cases which I am referring ta another thing. I I can place before you. want the hon. Minister to tell me whether it was with the concurrence of the UPSC that the number of Selec The Minister of State in the Minis tion Grade posts was increased from try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): I 4 to 85 during last year. do not want to interfere with the hon. Member’s speech. But, this is entirely It appears to me that even in the beside the point. Here, we are consi dering the report of the U.P.S.C. The important matter of the conditions of service the UPSC is not consulted. Is hon. Member has brought in the States it so? Why is it that the Commission and the State services in general. are not consulted where the avenues of Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: The promotion for the IAS are concerned. 1 understand from my friend that they it-jruitment for the IAS is being made through the U. P. S. C. This Govern did not consult the UPSC when they ment is giving the requisition for it; introduced the Selection Grade. It and that requisition is wrong. Why does not appeal to any reason. should this Government want the UPSC to recruit so many IAS people We have made some research and when they are not needed at all, when statistics. I would like to know what they are being wasted like this? Why is the result of this research and sta not the UPSC question the Govem- tistics. Nothing has been said about m^'it about their requirements? Un- it. Because of the shortness of time, nenessary recruitment is being made I would mention the last point and sit a.d money is being wasted. down. I do not know whether it is with the I may make it clear that I am not concurrence of the UPSC that Govern against personality tests; it is a very ment have introduced this Selection important and very effective method Grade for the IAS. of selection, not only in this country or for the I. A. S. but for other servi Mr. Speaker: Probably, the Home ces as well. But what is the result of Minister wanted to say that so far as your personality test? Does it confirm the increase in the requirements of to the performance of the officer in the States of IAS officers was concern the field or not? Here is a gentleman ed, that was the concern of the States who gets the top marks in the perso and they have only to make the selec nality test. Let us take those officers 2 0 4 5 ' Business SRAVANA 25, 1884 ( SAKA) of the House 2046 who get top marks in the personality down in the Order Paper and carry it test in preference to the written test. on till the end of the day, that is, 5 They are selected. I have no objection. o clock and then finish it by towioirav But let us examine it. I posed this after utilising the five hours allotted question five years ago and asked the to it. hon. Home Minister: let us know what is the result and how these personality tests have been verified in the field With regard to the second motion service. I find, not from the U.P.S.C. put down for 3 P. M. today, we can report but from the report of the take it up afterwards. Objection had Home Minister and the Ministry of also been taken that later reports had Home Affairs that they had conducted not been included though we had got such a study. I should like this House them. The Minister is prepared, I to be enlightened about the result of think, to take up with the other re that. These are important matters of ports and notice has also reached me principle and the whole House feels saying ‘that this Mouse takes note of exercised about personality tests. We the third report of the Commis all agree that it should be there. It sioner for Linguistic Minorities laid on has been there for so many years. I Table of the House on 24th April, would sit down appealing to the hon. 1962.” So, that report would also be Home Minister that we are not inte taken along with the second and both rested in individual cases or in the will be discussed and time would be various small facts and figures. We extended. know it is a large establishment and a large Government and one irregularity here or there is possible, but I would Shri P. K. Deo (Kalahandi): When request him to go into these funda will this report on linguistic minorities mental questions and to see that our be taken up? services are such as to cater to the needs otf tsociety. Mr. Speaker: After the Supplemen tary Demands. 13.12 hrs. Shri P. K. Deo: Tomorrow, it is a non official day; it will not came up. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Mr. Speaker: Then it will go to Mr. Speaker: Shri S. M. Banerjee Saturday. brought to my notice some difficulties albout the business of the House. Five The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri hours are allotted for the Railway ac La! Bahadur Shastri): May I add a cidents and it is put down in the Order word? We agree to have the debate on Paper today. If we begin it today, the 2nd and 3rd reports on Saturday. after the current discussion, we will But as the third report is also to be have only one hour for the other dis discussed, could it be taken up a couple cussion today; we may get about two of days later? But I entirely leave it to hours tomorrow and so we may have you; I am merely suggesting if it is to carry it on to 'Saturday. That mean's possible. the discussion would be carried on into three parts and will be spread over Mr. Speaker: Would it be convenient three days. That would perhaps not for the Ministry of Parliamentary be convenient for the Members as w^ll Affairs because it is they who arrange as for the Government. Therefore, if I the Order Paper now. I think Mem get the consent of the Hoaise, I propose bers have no objection if two days that immediately after this discussion more are given to the hon. Minister. is finished, we may begin the discus Let it be Monday or Tuesday or what sion on railway accidents as it is put ever other day convenient to the 2047 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Report of U.P.S.C. 2048 [Mr. Speaker] Ministry as well as to the Ministry of Then I may refer to the disagree Parliamentary Affairs but it should 'be ment of the Government with regard known to the Members. to four cases. I feel that in regard to two appointments the reasons advancr- Shri Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- ed by the Government are not at all tlrapara): On Saturday, there is a no convincing, because these two appoint <" ay-yet-named motion. That will be ments are not in relation to any parti ull right cular, specialised training. They were normal and ordinary appointments of the Public Service Commission, and 1315 hrs. after due consideration they came to their decision and gave their opinion. It 15 not understood why, with such MOTION RE: REPORT OF UNION insufficient reasons, the Government PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION- should disagree. There might have contd. been cases in which the Government can or should disagree, and there may Shri R. Barua (Jorhat): Mr. Spea be cases where the Government may ker, Sir, the U. P. S. C. consists of have occasion to disagree, but in order very eminent persons from different to disagree with the opinion of such walks uf life and their report should a respectable body there must be very be given due weight. I feel, that some solid grounds for the Government, but matters which have been pinpointed here the Government’s reasoning with by the Public Service Commiosion regard to the two appointments can have been answered in the memoran not be said to be very convincing. dum submitted by the Home Ministry. Unfortunately, we da not find that. A With regard to the Commission’s reading of the report will convince us remark about promotion in the Cent that there are certain glaring lapses ral services, the wording of the Com on the part of the Government which mission is rather cryptic. It is not need rectification. For instance, rules understood what rules they mean; it are framed by the U. P. S. C. with is not understood whether they mean regard to temporary appointments. In that the Government do not recruit that regard paragraph 29 of the report properly. It is not clear what rules and also the appendix are to be seen; are intended to be framed for the pur it would be apparent that some ap pose of efficient functioning of the pointments are made which are ab Commission. Therefore, in this res initio irregular and according to the pect, I think the Home Minister should Commission’s opinion, it 'should not give us a clear answer and say what have been so. If things are allowed rules the Commission actually mean. to go on like this it will create an im pression in the administrative machi With regard to the Chairman’s go nery which after all would not be ing about foreign countries in search very congenial for efficient working. of students for recruitment to the One is led to the inference that there- country’s administrative service, I sub must have been some indolence or mit that that is a practice which my some sort of extraneous considerations hon. friend Shri Harish Chandra Ma- for delaying the references or making thur rightly objected to. The tour of regular appointments; in both the the Chairman of the Public Service cases it does not redound to the credit Commission, giving interviews to pro off the Government. The Ministry erf spective candidates does not ensure Home Affairs has to see that a clean either to the credit or to the benefit of administration is given to the country the country. If really these persons and also that rules are framed not to are necessary for the country’s admi disobey ■■but to be observed in order to nistration, if really they are anxious maintain a cleaner administration. to come and serve the country, let 3049 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Report o/ U.P.S.C. 2050 them apply for the posts. Let some sector, the old meaning that the words facilities be given to them to come “public service” conveyed is no longer over here and meet the Public Service there. The meaning of the words Commission as a whole. Thit itinerant “public service” is of much wider con way of the Public Service Commission tent now. Therefore, in the light of selecting the candidates cannot ibe said that, the Government should think to be very helpful towards finding the very seriously whether it should con right men for the right place. tinue with the present composition of the Public Service Commission or Lastly, I would like to say a few should also expand the composition or ■words with regard to the composition somehow or other alter the composi of the Public Service Commission. At tion in order to meet the present-day the time of framing the Constitution, needs. naturally we inherited the tradition •of the British times. At that time, There is another matter to which there was no clear concept of the eco due attention has been paid by my nomic set-up of the country. There hon. friend Shri Harish Chandra Ma fore, the 'framer^ of the Constitution thur, and that is the personality test. must have had the political needs of So far as I am concerned, I feel that the country in mind. The composition when the Public Service Commission of the UPSC was such that it would comes to their own decision, they do just fill up the gap in the needs of the not come to a decision merely basing country as they prevailed at that time. their conclusions on the personality But as time parsed, the country took test. They also take into consideration up an economic policy and became the result of the written and other wedded to the establishment of a so tests or examinations. ' To separate the cialist pattern of so iety. Therefore, one from the other will lead to a very many of the departments came to be confusing state. I do not. think the handled by the Government. In view Homo Ministry will in anyway be of the increasing demands and a wid helpful in giving us a statement as to ening of the scope, the UPSC as it whether the personality test was was previously composed, cannot be worth-while or not To divide the supposed to be competent enough to examination or the result of the exa cater to the present-day needs. I do mination in this way will not in any not mean the least disrespect to the way be helpful. This test has been ac present body. What I mean to say is, cepted after due consideration and ex as the country is advancing and as the perience not only in our country but technical know how is more necessary in other countries as well. The per to the country in the departments of sonality test and the written test are industry and trade, a re-thinking as to not to be taken apart from each other. the composition of the UPSC is very It is the resultant of all the examina much necessary. Otherwise we shall tions that the Public Service Com be drifting towards a state of affairs mission generally relies upon. There in whir'll the selection of the UPSC fore, to avoid or give up this perso will be simply meaningless. nality test will not be very helpful and is not warranted in these circums tances. With these words, I close. Even now, from the report as can be gathered, the departmental promo Shri Da tar: Mr. Speaker, Sir, we tion committees are there, because the had since yesterday fairly lengthy de Public Service Commission is not able bate on the different aspects of the to cope with its work. Therefore, I questions touched by the UPSC. Some suibmit that this is a very important hon. Members traversed beyond the question which has to be 'seriously points that are covered by the UPSC considered by the Government and the and they dealt with certain matters Parliament as well, because in view which could not arise in the course of o [Shri Datar] believed that a general debate on the The hon. Member on this side yester type of services that we have and all day gave us some information, which their defects or omissions, as they call, has to be checked. He stated that the could also be discussed. Public Service Commission in England tender advice and the advices ten My first submission is that it is be dered by them were accepted by the yond the purview of the present dis U. K. Government unanimously dur cussion which is limited to the points ing the last 255 years. I do not know suggested either for or against the whether it is a statement of fact. But Government in the course of the here we are governed by the Consti UPSC’s report. Secondly, certain sug^ tution, which has made provision for ge^tions can also be offered so far as a the contingency of a departure from greater utility of the UPSC is con the UPSC’s advice. Article 323(1) cerned. I would not like to deal with clearly says that when, after the re the general question about the services ceipt of the UPSC s report, the Gove- so far as the Central Government are ernment find it necesary to depart from concerned. Some hon. Members went to their advices then, the Government of the extent of dealing with the State India have to furnish the grounds or services also. I would be excused if to give a memorandum and mention I do not reply to those aspects. the reasons as to why they dissented from the advice of the UPSC. Incidentally, another point was rais ed, namely, the chairmen of the State Therefore, in substance, the position Public Service Commissions should be is that the UPSC are an advisory body appointed by the President. That was of a supreme characer. I am prepared a point which was once considered to accept this positin, because it is a when the States Reorganisation Com very important body which has to be mission had made the report and a given the greatest importance and res suggestion in this respect. That could pect. But if the Government, which is not be accepted, because the responsible to the Parliament, find that State Governments were not in in public interest or for the purpose of favour. Under these circumstances, efficient administration it has to depart this question of giving the authority from the advice, then the Government, to the Centre to appoint either the in the interests of the administration, Chairman or the members of the Pub is entitled to depart from this advice. lic IService Commissions could not be In exceptional cases, the last word has raised here. to remain with the Government itself, though as I have pointed out in my Then, there is some misconception opening speech, the Government give so far as the functions of the UPSC the greatest measure of respect to the are concerned. For that purpose, I UPSC’s advice and have generally would invite the attention of the House been accepting it to the ’fullest extent to the provisions of the Constitution. possible. So, it is not possible for me If we look into those provisions, we to accept the extreme position that the find that the UPSC are an advisory hon. Member on this ^ide suggested, body in character. It is the duty of namely, that the advices of the UPSC Government to place 'before the UPSC ought to be completely accepted. certain matters dealing with the ser vices directly or indirectly for their 13.34 hrs. advice. After their advice is received, it is the duty of Government to consi [Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] der it fully and the policy generally is to accept the advice. But that cannot It would not be possible to go to rule out the possibility of Government that extent, ibecause ultimately the departing from policy in extreme Government of India are responsible cases. for the administration and they are 2053 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Report of U.P.S.C. 2054 responsible primarily to the Parlia other matters, regarding the interpre- ment for carrying on the governance tion of the law relating to the All India of the country in as best a manner as S'ervices Examination and the exten possible. So, if on account of certain sion of the period of probation, a num high considerations, the Government ber of hon. Members on this side as come to the conclusion that in a very well as on the other agreed that tiie small number of cases they have to stand taken by Government was the depart from the advice, they ought to correct one. On page 5 of the memo have that power, as given by the Cons randum submitted by the Government titution, of departing, but explaining along with the UPSC’s recent report, the reasons as to why they have de there is a reference to the UPSC re parted. garding the appointment to the post of Director (Women’s Programme), An hon. Member brought in the Ministry of Community Development Courts of law in a rather vague man and Co-operation. This was a very im ner and put the courts of law and the portant post requiring acquaintance UPSC on the same footing. May I say with field work and contacts with the with all respect that courts have to ad villagers in general. On two grounds,. minister laws as they are passed by the Government could not accept the Parliament or State Legislatures or re UPSC’s advice, which are mentioned cognised by customs Normally the on page 5: judgments of the courts of law will have to be accepted, especially those of “The candidate selected by the the High Court or the Supreme Court, Commission was never associated but there also, the Parliament or State with any scheme for training Legislatures, as sovereign bodies, have women workers while one of the a right to make a change in the law it main functions of the incumbent self. In certain cases, on account of of the post was to provide training the sovereignty of their position, the facilities to all functionaries engag amendments have been made even re ed in the Community Development trospectively. But this is not the posi programme. tion, so far as the UPSC are concerned. While courts are highest judicial (ii) The reports on her work, bodies, UPSC are only an advisory while employed under a State Gov body advising the Government in ser ernment, showed that she had no vice matters. So, it would not be pro background in village work and per to place the courts and the UPSC liked to sit in office and issue or on the same footing and say the Gov ders rather than go into the villa ernment are bound to accept the ges for doing work herself by giv UPSC’s advice on the ground that the ing directions on the spot. The re UPSC are a judicial body. That is not ports also showed that she lacked correct. All the same, I am prepared sense of responsibility and never to say on behalf of the Government of cared for efficiency and work. In India that it has been our policy to 1955 she was censured for an irre accept the advice of the UPSC to the gular posting which caused loss to fullest extent possible, consistent with the Government. Her subsequent their duties to Parliament. That was performance was also not consider why, as I pointed out yesterday, out of ed satisfactory.” 12,800 cases only in respect of 4 cases Under these fairly revealing cir the Government considered it neces cumstances, I would request the House sary not to accept the UPSC’s advice. to consider whether on account of I have no desire to labour further on these defects or irregularities or defi this point, but I should like to make a ciencies on the part of this lady who short reference to one case, in respect had been recommended by the UPSC, of which we had to depart from the it was or it was not proper for the advice of the UPSC. I am also very Government of India to depart from happy to find that in respect of two this particular recommendation. 12055 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Report of U.P.S.C. 2056 An Hon. Member: The Government tion, especially under article 335 read are fully justified. with others, the Government of India Shrimati Sarojini Mahishi (Dharwar are bound to see that there ought to North): May I know whether the be reservations so far as the Sche U.P.S.C. was not made acquainted duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes with the nature of the post are concerned. There also it has been for which it was making the selec pointed out by wiay of a precautionary tion? measure that it should be consistently with the efficiency of administration. Shri Datar: There isno reason to presume such a thing. The U.P.S.C. Shri K. C. Sharma (Sardhana): Will are expected to know all these the hon. Minister cite any parallel, things. They know how the work is from anywhere in the world to this being carried on and they are in reservation business? possession of all the facts. Whatever may be the reason—it is not for us to Shri Sonavane (Pandharpur): Can go into the reasons— in the light of the hon. Member cite any other coun the revealing circumstances that I try where untouchability exists? have placed before the House, would Shri Datar: I need not go to the it or would it not be proper for Gov world at all. So long as I have got ernment to accept this appointment the most precious Constitution here merely because it was recommened to guide me—and the Constitution in by the U.P.S.C.? Such circumstances, this country has been extremely fair generally, are very rare. But when —and it is stated that the weaker they are there the Government ought sections have to be brought up by to have a right to depart from the giving them opportunities in all advice, with all respect, on account matters including the right of entry of the exigencies of the circumstances, into service, I need not take into on account of public interest and on account the case of any other country. account of hightening the efficiency We have a Constitution which has of administration. This is so far as been tested by experience. I may the constitutional position that was point out to my hon. friend that on raised by certain hon. Members is account of this reservation in services concerned. a number of young men and women are getting opportunities. Though Then, certain hon. Members, un they require some training on account fortunately, brought in certain ques of, as I said, lack of environmental tions regarding reservations in ser positions, they are coming up, and it vices. I know, when my hon. friend is in the interests of the nation that Shri Saraf made a reference to it, these young people from the Sche there could be absolutely nothing duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes are objectionable so far as his suggestion also encouraged in as large a measure is concerned. He said that we should as possible to join the services con fix up a particular time limit during sistently, as I stated, with the main which such reservations ought to tenance of high standards of efficiency. operate in such an effective manner as to place these weaker sections also Shri Sham Lai Saraf (Jammu and on a proper footing. An hon. Member Kashmir): I would like to submit, opposite made certain remarks which Sir, through you, that what I said the were of a very ungracious character, other day was that we certainly wel with due deference to him. and that come the reservations for the weaker provoked a number of hon. Members, sections of the Community. But for not only representing the Scheduled how long are we to continue this? Castes and Scheduled Tribes but We should fix some D-day when they others also, to raise the question in a will be brought on a par with the general way so far as the reservations rest of the people so far as efficiency are concerned. Under the Constitu is concerned. Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Report of U.P.S.C. 2058 Shri Datar: I appreciated the hon. we have been taking a number of Member’s point. steps. Certain hon. Members do not fully realise that year after year the An Horn. Member: He agreed with Government are spending crores of what you said. rupees on the improvement and on *the welfare of these communities. Shri Datar: I would like to point The hon. Member, Shri Swell, made a -out that so far as the Constitution is suggestion the other day that what we concerned it has not laid down any have been doing is not sufficient at such period for the reason that we all. In fact, Shri Swell made a speech cannot at present, in view of the which, to say the least, was very un highly backward character of these fortunate. He did not appreciate what communities, think of a time, at least we have done. That is the reason today, in the foreseeable future, when why I am pointing out now how much it could be done away with. Let we are doing for the Scheduled Castes some time go. Let the people of and Scheduled Tribes. these communities come up. Then, in the interests of the nation, they them Sir, in the First Five Year Plan selves will come forward to scrap all period wo spent Rs. 15 crores for the these reservations. Scheduled Tribes. In the Second Five Year Plan period we spent Rs. 50 Shri Sonavane: The Constitution crores. Now, in the Third Five Year makes provision for evaluation of the Plan period we propose to spend conditions of these people. Rs. 60.11 crores over the Scheduled Tribes. I am extremely sorry that Shri Datar: That is what we are my hon. friend, Shri Swell, is not here, doing. Therefore, I should have liked He, I understood, thought that the hon. Members not to have made a conditions of these people living far reference to these constitutional pro pway from the other people was visions regarding the reservation in extremely unsatisfactory. Even the services which have on the whole Constitution has made some provisions worked very well. I know that there in this respect. That is the reason are certain critics who believe that why we shall have spent more than this is not proper, but we have to Rs. 100 crores over the Scheduled take into account the conditions in Tribes alone. So far as the Scheduled India and the disparities of conditions Castes are concerned, we shall be obtaining in the different communities. spending at least Rs. 60 crores to That is the reason why, taking the Rs. 65 crores in the Second and Third realities into account, the Constitution Plan periods. In the matter of educa rightly provided it and the Central tion of the tribal people, we are Government have made reservations spending crores of rupees. so far as the Scheduled Castes and Dr. M. S. Aney (Nagpur): What is Scheduled Tribes are concerned. the target that the Government of Shri Sham Lai Saraf: What shall India has fixed as regards the exact we do till then in order to bring them percentage of literacy among the up on a par with other people. Would Scheduled Castes and Scheduled it simply mean that getting a few men Tribes during the Third, Fourth and here and there in the services would the Fifth Plan periods? bring up their standard on a par with Shri Datar: I understand the hon. other people? Member’s question. It is very difficult to settle the period within which the Shri Datar: May I invite the hon. whole thin£ has to be done. Because Member’s attention to the fact that the problem is enormous. side by side with the reservations which are to be entirely in keeping Dr. M. S. Aney: Have you no with the efficiency of administration, method to calculate it? You are 2059 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Report of U.P.S.C. 2060 [Dr. M. S. Aney] •pending money. What do you get at Shri Datar: With all respect to the end of that period as a result of them, x may disagree with them but your spending money? the question is whether they appre ciate the difficulties with which we Shri Datar: So far as the Scheduled are confronted ...... Tribes are concerned, we are spending money on ( 1) the spread of education, Shri Sham Lai Saraf: The hon. (2 ) their economic upliftment and ( 3) Member does not want him to give us health, housing and other schemes. even that consolation. We have completed two Five Year Plans and one yeiar of the Third Plan. Shri Datar: The next question that It is true that to a certain extent the I want to deal with is the composition progress is slow, but I am not pre of tnc UPSC. A certain hon. Member, pared to admit that the progress is again on acount of a misapprehension, not considerable when we consider all thought that this was an ordinary the various enormous difficulties that body in which any person can work. we have in the way. So far as the Ther Constitution itself has made a Scheduled Castes are concerned, they provision that so far as the composi had been suffering from social dis tion of the UPSC is concerned, "one abilities for a number of centuries. half of the members or as nearly as So far as the Scheduled Tribes are mav be’' that is the expression used) concerned, they have been suffering ought to be Government servants who from isolation, far away from the have an experience of ten years’ ser modern society. It is these people vice. This is a body which has very that have to be brought up. There directly to deal with service matters fore, it would not be proper to set up and tender very important advice. So, a time-limit but it is absolutely in the case of composition of the essential that we get the best results UPSC it has been specially laid down as soon as possible, especially when that there ought to be men of experi we are spending crores of rupees for ence so far as public service is con the welfare of these unfortunate com cerned, for advising correctly. In munities. That is the reason why I order that others can also bring a would request hon. Members not to fresh view to bear on this question, call in question, even indirectly, the what has been done is others also, propriety of the very wise and salu persons of great eminence in public tary provisions that have been made life, are taken in the UPSC. At pre in our Constitution. sent, so far as its composition is con cerned, half the number consists of Then I would refer to a few pro Government servants and the other blem s briefly because I have to finish half of non-officials, public men in early. I am obliged to a few hon. eluding a retired High Court Judge, Members, and I should like to men one who had formerly been dealing tion particularly the n'ames of Shri with engineering and other technical Saraf, Shri Mathur and Shrimati subjects and another who was a Vice Benuka Ray for their very valuable Chancellor of the Delhi University. contribution to this debate. They In this way, we are trying our best made out certain points which I may to see that this statutory organisation or may not accept but my task has becomes an eminent body to advise us been considerably lightened, so far as as best as possible. my main approach to this problem is concerned. In addition to this, whenever they consider highly technical subjects like Shri Prabhat Kar (Hooghly): What recruitment to engineering or other is their contribution if you do not technical services, they have the right agree with them? to take the help of a number 206 i Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Report of U.P.S.C. 2062 experts. An hon. k Member was needless is concerned. So, it would not be ly furious that a Government servant proper for him to say that the UPSC also attended the meetings of the is an out-moded -body. UPSC. Now, attendance is entirely different from having an effective Shri Narendra Singh Mahida voice in the decision of the UPSC. It (Anand): According to the Gandhian is absolutely essential that he points ideology the maximum salary is out the difficulties of the administra Ks. 500. tion but he has no right to vote. So, these government servants act only as Shri Datar: Therefore, hon. Members helpers of the UPSC and given them will see that if our officers are imbused all assistance. with those ideas, they are bound to act in a manner far different from the way the former Government servants An hon. Member suggested that a businessman should also be in the acted. So, it is absolutely out of UPSC. Here I may state that Gov place to mention here that the old ernment is an administrative body, a ICS mentality is there or the IAS welfare organisation. Therefore, the people are out-moded. These are all Question whether at all a businessman questions which have to be considered should be on the body is one that haj in the light of what we have been to be considered in all its ’aspects. doing. I would request Shri Mathur end other hon. Members to visit the Shri Prabhat Kar: For what pur National Academy of Administration pose? at Mussorie and see how we are in keeping with the times. Perhaps, in some respects we are better than the Shri Datar: Then, my esteemed actual educational institutions them •friend, Shri Mathur, always raised selves. some general questions and puts them in. wh'at I should say, a vague manner. Shri Prabhat Kar: He was talking He has stated that the UPSC is an of the products, not of the training. out-moded body. The UPSC can never be an out-moded body because Shri Datar: Then I would make a it is governed by the rules and regu reference to certain specific matters, lations made by us in accordance with that have been raised. So far as the directions of Parliament. There probationary period is concerned, IAS fore, we laid down the rules and the officers have got only one Year’s pro rules are in consonance with the bation. I am happy that a number of spirit of the times. hon. Members, including my hon. friend, Shri Reddy, agreed that there fcfiri Harish Chandra Mathur: Please ought to be a longer period than one •do not misquote me at least. year. As a matter of fact, as soon as he passes his examination, he j? Shri Datar: Then, so far as our entitled to confirmation. Now, in young officers are concerned, we are addition to their studies from an trying our best to see that they are Ideological and theoretical point of imbused with the modem spirit. I view, they have to go round the coun shall point out when I deal with the try and study things for themselves, courses of study that we have got engage themselves in field work and special courses extending over five then their performance for a period months for IAS. IPS and Central of two years is considered and either Services (Class I) wherein we teach they are confirmed or not confirmed, them the cultural history of India and depending upon their performance. the Gandhian ideology, the spirit of Sarvodaya and the modern doctrines 14 hrs. which we are developing. Then these people have to go through a very About the verification of character Intensive training, so far as field work something wag stated by an hon. 2063 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Report of U.P.S.C. 2064. [Shri Datar] Member. On an earlier occasion also posely excluded. That is not correct this question was raised. It is entire at all. No man is penalised for hold ly irrelevant here, but the hon. Mem ing any opinion. But once a person ber, Shri Reddy, made a reference to enters Government service he cannot Dr. B. C. Roy’s speech. In that very take part in the activities of any speech Dr. B. C. Roy had also given political organisation. certain figures which are extremely useful to show that the verification of Shri Dtnen Bhattacharya (Seram- character is not used by us or b y the pore): Including the Congress. State Governments for weeding out certain persons. Shri Reddy believed Shri Datar: Our Government Ser that the Communists were singled out vants Conduct Rules make it very for exclusion. That is not correct at clear. Therefore, a Government ser all. In fact, some other man says vant has to be above parties and has somethin^ to which I would not make to carry on the work in as efficient a reference. and objective a manner as possible. Then a question was raised as to A similar resolution had been whether pensions should not be given brought forward in the West Bengal to the non-official members of the legislature and Dr. B. C. Roy made UPSC. That is a question which is a very important speech to which the under consideration and I would not hon. Member has made a reference. like to say more on it. So far as the There he had pointed out how in a officials are concerned, it is taken into very small number of cases on account account because it is added on to the of the unsuitability of the candidate period of service under Government. he had to be rejected and the number But. so far as the non-officials are was so small. Ho had said:— concerned, as you are aware, the long est period that they can be there “ During the last year, that is. would be about' six years. Under 1961 40,000 casss of verification these circumstances, this question were dealt with by the Police and raises certain complications and the only in 76 cases the candidates matter is under consideration. were found to be unsuitable, that is. a ratio of .0019 per cent. So far as the prohibition of Gov Similarly, the Police in Bengal ernment servants taking up employ aJsc verified ca.ves of appointment ment in private companies after under the Central Government retirement is concerned, it is a very and Corporations and organisa lar^e question. It does not directly tions under the control of the deal with the UPSC at all. Central Government. About 30,000 cases were dealt with in Shri Harish Chandra Matmir: Have 1961 and only in 41 cases....- • ” you consulted the UPSC? The figure may be noted. Shri Datar: But the policy that the Government follow is this. A “ ....th a t is, .0014 per cent of Government servant who had been cases, the candidates were found concerned with a particular depart to be unsuitable.” ment is not allowed for a period of two years without express permission Therefore, so far as. the this veri to take up service in a private concern fication is concerned, it would not be which had something to do with his proper to raise a general question and official duties 'before retirement. That make an allegation that candidates rule has been laid down, in the Gov belonging to certain parties are pur ernment Servants Conduct Rules and 2065 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 {SAKA) Report of U.P.S.C. 206 6 . he has to take specific permission for Company they lent the services of this a period of two years. officer for a particular period accord ing to the terms usually associated Some hon. Members made a sug with an agent’s remuneration. There gestion that this provision should be fore, there was nothing wrong so far permanent. It is very difficult to do as that matter is concerned. like this, 'because after all when his income comes down as be gets only a Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): 1 fraction of his former pay as pension, only wanted to confirm one thing from as a private citizen he is entitled to you. enhance his earning capacity. There fore we were advised that it would Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Order, order. not be proper to extend the period of The hon. Member cannot go on inter *uch prohibition beyond two years. rupting. Their num'ber is very small. Shri Datar: As to the question Shri S. M. Banerjee rose— about Hindi and English, only the day befeir yesterday the hon. Prime Shri Datar: He made a reference to Minister has made the position clear. one case to which I am going to reply. In the other House also I had pointed So far as one case from Bihar was out in connection with the debate concerned, I had the matter looked what the position of English would be into. He is an IAS officer. At the after 1965 and what the President’s time his services were requisitioned Order is so far as Hindi is concerned. m 1958 he had been ripe for appoint At present English is the only medium ment as a Commissioner in the Bihar of examination so far as competitive Slate and he would have been had examinations -are concerned. The he been in Government service entitl President’s Order of 1960 makes it ed to the highest pay that he could possible that Hindi should be intro have obtained as a member of the IAS duced as an alternative medium of with this experience. His services examination on a date that the Cen were lent to the Tata Iron and Steel tral Government, has to settle. The Company by the State Government. Government have not yet taken a Under our rules though he is an IAS decision so far ns this question is officer he is under the administrative concerned. control of the Bihar Government. It was perfectly open to them to have Then. I am glad to note that the allowed him to join private service on personality test has been found to be deputation. The terms were the bencficial by a number of hon. Mem usual terms so far as an agent was bers. But there was one small ques concerned and nothing out of the way tion. Shri Mathur wanted to know was done so far as the deputation of as to why they did 50 ill or so poorly this officer was concerned. His period there when th:>y did well in the writ is likely to expire in February 1£H>3. ten examination. Then my hon. friend wanted to Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: 1 know as to whether the Government never raised this question. were consulted. Under the rules such consultation was not necessary. Shri Datar: Then I need not refer Secondly, this is a matter which does to this question. not come within the purview of the CJPSC at all. It is not a correct notion An hon. Member stated that that all these matters ought to be recruitment, rules ought to have been referred to the UPSC. We got the made in all cases. Tt is true that in information when we made enquiries certain cases they were not made but and they told us that on account of a we are taking steps to see that they request from the Tata Iron and Steel are made as early as possible. 2067 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Motion re: Statement 2068 Report of U.P.S.C. on Railway Accidents [Shri Datar] Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Order, order. Shri Sara# made a reference to the Now, I shall put the motion to vote. conference of members of the Public Service Commissions including the The question is: UPSC at Delhi. The UPSC had called “That this House takes note of this conference for finding out a unU the Eleventh Report of the Union form procedure and it is not a matter Public Service Commission for the with which we are concerned. period 1st April, 1960 to 31st March, 1961, together with the It was contended that Indian Government’s Memorandum there students living abroad and qualified on, laid on the Table of the House there were not pjroperly etmployed. on the 18th June, 1962.” May I point out that on account of the interviews which the Chairman The motion was adopted. and other members had abroad, 43 candidates were recommended by the T'/PSC? We have already issued 14.11 hrs. orders for 13 and for the others they would be issued as soon as preliminary MOTION RE: STATEMENT ON formalities are over. In addition to RAILWAY ACCIDENTS this we have offered appointments to ten more Indian candidates who have The Minister of Railways (Shri qualified abroad and they will be Swaran Singh): I beg to move: taken into service as soon as they “That the statement regarding return to India. Railway accidents, laid on the Sir, I am obliged to the hon. House Table of the House on the 9 th fur the very detailed discussion that August, 1962, be taken into consi has taken place. deration.”. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: Sir, It may be recalled that there was a the hon. Minister has referred only to useful debate during the last session, the points raised in the debate yester in the course of which the position day for which he has notes. Though with regard to railway accidents was he has paid me a compliment all right, reviewed. Some general questions he has not referred to a single point were raised, and some specific cases which I had raised. were also mentioned, and the House had an opportunity to examine the Shri Datar: It is because it did not various factors that were involved in deserve any answer. tliis important question of railway accidents. Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: I raised general as well as specilic Thereafter, a very unfortunate and questions. tragic accident took place at Dumraon, and naturally the House feels agitated Shri Datar: He raised a question over that, and there is such a similar about the utmoded nature of the feeling in the country also. As I have UPSC. That was not raised by any already mentioned in the House, a other hon. Member and I replied to regular judicial inquiry under the that. Regarding the selection grade Commissions of Inquiry Act, has been in the States, the UPSC had nothing instituted, and a retired High Court to do with that. judge is presiding over that commis Shri IKarLsh Chandra Mathur: I sion of inquiry. An hon. Member of never said that the UPSC was an out this House is also a member of that moded body. I do not know how the commission of inquiry, and there is a hon. Minister has got this idea; he is technical member as well on that • putting just the wrong thing in my commission. As is customary and mouth. I never said that. proper, it will perhaps be not proper 2069 Motion re: SRAVANA 25,1884 (SAK A ) Statement on 2070 Railway Acaidents for us to go into the causes or the running into road traffic at level- circumstances of that tragic accident, crossings, three of them being at un and we should await the result of manned level-crossings. the judicial inquiry. We are anxious ly awaiting this, and I am sure the Of the total 72 dead and 164 injur House is also anxiously looking for ed, as mentioned in the statement ward to the report of that High which was laid on the Table of the judicial body that is looking into the House, seven were injured in acci Dumraon accident. We hope to be dents at unmanned level-crossings. If greatly benefited by an analysis of the casualties in the Dumraon acci the causes and the remedies that they dent were to be excluded, the total might suggest. number of casualties in the remaining 11 accidents works out to one persoa Some other accidents after the ter killed and &0 injured. I mentioned mination of the last session have here that, in the Dumraon accident, taken place, and as desired by certain another two persons have unfortunate sections of the House, I have already ly passed away, and now the death- placed on the Table of the House a roll stands at 73. I have already detailed statement giving the particu mentioned that, so far as the Dumraon lars of those accidents, and I have accident is concerned, we have al also briefly indicated the causes, in so ready constituted the commission of far as they have been ascertained and inquiry. also the action taken against the de faulters who were found to be res The House would like to under ponsible as a result of inquiries. stand, and would like to know, some thing of what is done to prevent the I think that it will be useful, and occurrence of accidents. What are the will enable the House to offer com preventive measures that are adopted, ments usefully, if I were to give an and what is the general approach in analysis of these accidents that have dealing with this important matter? taken place after the House dispersed That, I think, is a matter of high im at the end of the last session. This portance, and as there are certain ig contained, no doubt, in the state technical aspects of this, I would like ment, but I think that a brief analy to place, for the consideration of the sis would be useful. House, a factual statement indicating the preventive measures that are There were 15 such accidents bet taken from time to time. ween the period 23rd June 1962 and 3rd August, 1962. All of them were Increasing emphasis has been laid unfortunate, but the most unfortunate on the improved maintenance of track, of them, as I have already indicated, locomotives and rolling-stock. Apart was the one which took place at Dum from emphasis on proper maintenance raon on the night of 21st July, 1962. of track and rolling-stock, the direc My sympathies and those of all other tions in which action to prevent acci railwaymen go to the bereaved fami dents is aimed are twofold: (a) pro lies and to those who were injured in vision of technological aids to the these accidents. staff to act as a safeguard against the possibility of human error, and Of the 15 cases shown in the state (b) educating the staff in the correct ment, seven were of train collisions, methods of working and making them of which three involved passenger more safety-conscious. These are trains; three other cases were of de the two broad heads under which railments, of which two involved various preventive measures fall. I passenger trains, one of these two re shall give some more particulars sulting from the train running into a about these two important categories. tree which had fallen on the track on account of strong winds, the re So far as the technological aids are maining five accidents were of trains concerned, these consist of provision of 1477 (Ai) L.S.D.—7. 2071 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1902 Statement on Railway 2072 Accidents [Shri Swaran Singh] improved and modern technical de and the Railway Board attach the vices such as: — highest importance, is what may be described as the educative aspect. (i) interlocking of points and Whatever may be the technical aids signals so that until the cor provided, the best known safety de rect road is set, the signals vice still remains a careful man. No cannot be lowered; matter how foolproof the technical aids which may be given to the staff (ii) provision of modified inter for safe train passing, the chance of locking at non-interlocked human error still remains the most stations; important factor to be encountered. It is here that the educative aspect (iii) reusing of standard of inter assumes vital importance. Railway locking to the required stand administrations have kept this aim in ard; the forefront and have been directing their endeavours along the necessary (iv) fitting of detectors at non lines— I would now like to place be interlocked stations; fore the House the action that has (v) provision of. token instru already been taken and is constantly ments on single-line sections taken in this direction. in replacement of paper line- clear; ( 1) The closest possible personal contact is maintained by the officers (vi) provision of last stop signal and inspectors of districts and divi control through line-clear; sions with the staff on the lines who are concerned with train passing. (vii) provision of lock and block These supervisory personnel make working on double-line sec every use of the opportunity of per tions; sonal contact in educating the staff in the whys and wherefores of (viii) interlocking of important the rules and in correcting wrong level-crossing gates with sig habits and tendencies to short-cut nals; and methods. I may mention that this temptation to adopt short-cut methods (ix) provision of track circuiting can b e really strong and constant of certain sections and sta effort has to be made to create the tions, so that when a certain right type of spirit so that this temp portion of the line is obstruc tation is reduced and the desirability ted, the signals controlling of following the rules strictly is al movement of such lines can ways impressed upon the staff con not be cleared. cerned. It might be observed that the im provements mentioned above have (2) Educative propaganda in the been carried out progressively depend form of pamphlets and posters, bring ing upon the importance of the sec ing out how short-cut methods and tion. In taking up the various works, minor violations of rules may, in com priority has been given first to those bination with other lapses, lead to sections where the traffic was com serious accidents, is systematically dis- paratively high. semniated to the staff. These are the technological aids about which I made mention a (3) Each Railway Administration moment ago. issues periodical bulletins in which important accidents and the lapses The other important aspect, to which led to those accidents are high which the railway administrations lighted so that the staff learn from Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2074 Railway Accidents the defaults of their erring colleagues. methods adopted in these countries is The official gazetteers of the railway being studied. administrations also carry slogans em phasising the vital importance of (9) Tape-recorded lectures and dis safety. cussions on the theme of safety and prevention of accidents are played (4) In every important station and back to groups of staff in important yard, accident prevention meetings stations, yards and loco shed§. are organised where the staff get to gether and discuss the recent acci So far as the preventive aspect is dents, their causes, and problems hav cencerned, these are the directions in ing a bearing on safe working. which action is already being taken. I would greatly welcome any sugges (5) With a view to inculcate a tions from hon. Members for improv healthy competitive spirit among staff, ing these, or adding other items to from the point of view of safe work these important aspects of having re ing, Safety Shields are awarded to course to technological aids which stations, yards and divisions or dis might help the railway administrations tricts which, over specific periods, in making the educative process more show the best performance from the effective. point of view of ]ow incidence of acci dents. Now, even with all the preventive . measures and educative processes (6) To furnish a yet more direct that might have been adopted and psychological appeal, some films have are still being adopted, accidents may recently been made in conjunction happen. What does the administra with the Ministry of Information and tion do when accidents happen, apart Broadcasting bringing into focuss the from attending to the local difficul fact that accidents are avoidable, if ties that might be there? An import only the staff acted a little more ant aspect which has been mentioned carefully and vigilantly. from time to time is to go very minu tely into the causes of the accident (7) Railway administrations pro which has happened, not only with a vide initial courses on theoretical view to find out and fix the responsi and practical traininS to all staff bility, which is important by itself, but concerned with train passing. Even more so with a view to find out what after the staff have been placed in are the lessons to be learnt from working charge, refresher courses at that accident. In the newspapers and regular intervals are provided to the before the public—even before thi 9 staff in which there is special empha hon. House—quite naturally only sis on the importance of safe working those accidents come for notice and an 1961-62 1,954 1961-62 161 accidents inolving one death * These are the numbers of accidents (* shown the number of passengers and during each of the years which not other persons in the road vehicles etc.) deserve special mention and special notice. And this is out of the total of Fires in trains : about nine or ten thousand, which is 1959-60 303 accidcnts involving described in the printed documents as " no death the total number of accidents on the 1960-61 405 accidents involving Railways, in a year. one death 1961-62 236 accidents involving Shri Sivamurthi Swamy (Koppal): one death May we know the numbers of human lives involved in these? These figures will show that in 1961— 62 the accidents showed a downward trend. Shri Swaran Singh: I will give those figures. So far as these three years The trend relatively during the are concerned. I will give the figures recent period, that is January to June under these various heads (including 1962, has been as under as compared passenger trains, other trains and to the corresponding period of the light engines). previous years. This will also be of interest to hon. Members, because Train collisions : from these figures they will be able to judge for themselves I will give 1959-60 i i i accidcnts involving figures for the first six months (Janu 9 deaths ary to June) for last year as well as for the current year: 1960-61 130 accidcnts involving 30 deaths.' Collisions : 1961-62 . 124 accidents involving 1961 . 52 (ProvisionalProvisio... 17 deaths. figures) 1962 . 53 That is, there is an increase of one Derailments : during this six-monthly period. 1959-60 1,456 accidents involving Derailments : 6 deaths. 1961 . 646 1960-61 1,415 accidents involving 12 deaths 1962 . 636 1961-62 1,433 accidents involving (Provisional 122 deaths (in That is, a decrease of ten derailments figures) eluding two serious during this six-monthly period. cases of train wrecking). Trains running into road traffic at level crossings: The number of accidents, if anything, is slightly on the decrease on the Last year 105 whole. This year 119 2079 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2080 Accidents [Shri S war an Singh] There is an increase of 14. ed countries, namely, Great Britain and the United States of America. Fires in trains: In the year 1958, the passenger casualties in train collisions and de Last year the figure was 207, and railments per billion passenger this year, luckily, there have been miles—this is the way it is expressed, only 140. So, there is a decrease of 67. that is, 100 crores of miles travelled by a passenger; if that were the fac And, if we take the total, last year tor, then what is the number of per it was 1,010 and this year 948. That sons killed and injured and total is, a total decrease of 62. casualties— are as follows. It will be seen that in British Railways thp I am citing these figures, not with figure for the year 1958 was 1 killed, a view to create an impression that 43 injured, total casualties 44, ex the Railway Administration is satis pressed in terms of per billion, 1,000 fied with what is being done—I want million, passenger miles. In the to assure the House that I myself feel United Slates of America it was 2 that a lot more has to be done—but killed, 20 injured; total casualties 22 to suggest that it will not perhaps be This is an absolute figure, but this is quite fair to persist in creating an im expressed as I have attempted to say pression as if there is a rising trend in this direction. We must remember Shri Kashi Ram Gupta (Alwar): that from year to year the actual What is the intention in comparing quantum of traffic is increasing: the these figures with America and number of trains running on the same Britain? track is increasing every year. Shri Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- An Hon. Member: Number of deaths drapara): He takes inspiraiiu;; from also. them, Shri Swaran Singh: There is an in Shri Swaran Singh: The object in crease in the number of trains, in the comparing these figures is to see number of passenger trains as well as whether the incidence of these acci goods trains. dents on our railways is very much higher or lower, or how it compares Before I close, I would also give with other railways. figures about the total size of the problem which the Railways are Shri Kashi Ram Gupta: But circum handling. stances are quite different there and here. We cannot compare. Now, Sir, there is one recognised method of calculating, in a statisti Shri Swaran Singh: We can take cal manner, the safety factor, as they into consideration the difference bet call it. It is done all the world over ween the working conditions, but still and by foreign Railways. And this one should not feel upset merely to has been, every year, gone into by see how these figures work out. the Indian Railways also. It might interest the House to know that, so The comparative figure for India for far as foreign countries are concern the same year, 1958-59 was 1*04 as ed, they also make presentation of, compared to 1 in Great Britain and 2 what may be described as, safety in the United States; 3 44 as compar factors, and they present them some ed to 43 in Great Britain and 20 in what in this form. The latest figures, the United States; and 9.48 as com authentic figures, available with us, pared to 44 in the British Railways are for 1958 for two highly develop and 22 in the U.S. Railways. 2081 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA ) Statement on 2082 Railway Accidents I am not saying that that is a yard Shri N. R. Muniswamy, and the Chair stick and that it is a complete answer, man himself, Dr. Kunzru Although but let us not shut our eyes to the they are no longer Member of Parlia hazards to which railways are ex ment. they are all public men of posed all the world over. We should considerable.... by all means try to find fault to the extent to which that fault may be Shri Hanumanthaiya (Banaglore there, but let us not raise a scare and City;: They have greater time at let us not, view the thing in an their disposal now! alarmist sort of background. Shri Swaran Singh: My learned I wanted to place before the hon. colleague rightly points out that per House the way that we are trying to haps they have more time at their tackle this problem, both long-range disposal now and can attend to this and short-range. So far as the long- work with greater attention. But range way is concerned, it might be there are Members of the House also recalled that in 1961, towards the who are in that committee, and let us end of last year, there was a full not even by implication suggest that dress debate here on accidents, some they cannot find enough time. of them very tragic, that took place last year, and it was announced that Therefore, that is how we are try the whole question shouid be gone ing to take a long-range view of the into by a committee presided over by thing, and trying to find out the basic Dr. Iiriday Nath Kunzru. That com causes and the steps that might be mittee, unfortunately, could not start taken to minimise the hazard which work immediately for a variety of is involved in these accidents. Mayho reasons, including the general elec something is missing in the administra tions that intervened, because ihefe tion, and such enquiries are useful. were a number of Members of Par liament on that committee. Dr. It is very interesting to note that Kunzru went abroad and returned. sometimes a lot of pressure is built up They have already held a meeting for the holding of enquiries; some and prepared the questionnaire. times they are long-range enquiries, Technical assessment and technical sometimes judicial enquiries. But appraisal of a fairly la r^ number of when these committees are constitut accidents has already been done by ed, very uncharitably another argu the Committee, and it U hoped that ment is put forward, that this is an an interim report may be available, easy way of explaining away things which might be helpful. that instead of grappling wiih the problem, it is an easy line to consti tute a committee of enquiry ox a com Shri D. C. Sharma (Gurdaspur): mittee to go into the causes. T An accident has happened to those submit that is not a correct way. Members also as some of them have These are problems, difficult problems, not. been returned 1 and they have to be grappled with both in the long run and in the short Shri Swaran Singh: Those are the run. games in democracy, and some people come and some do not come, but still When accidents happen, as I sairl a they are good public men, both from moment ago, a very detailed enquiry the Opposition and from our side, and is held, and on the issue which I am I did not have the heart to suggest going to touch upon row, there is even remotely that they might cease some difference of opfnicn, that is the to be associated with the Committtee. punitive aspect, but I think that it is There was, for instance, Shri T. B. very important that wi‘.'i all the Vittal Rao from the Opposition educative processes through which Benches. There 1b another Member, you might put your staff, with all the 2083 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2084 Accidents [Shri Swaran Singh] preventive measures of a technologi Withholding of in cal nature and the like that you crements for various periods : . . 1961-62 979 might adopt to increase the safety 1960-61 832 factor, those people who might be held responsible for dereliction of 1961-62 1960-61 duty or of failure in the discharge cf Withholding of promotions S 6 their normal functions, must face the consequences. I have detailed in this Lesser punishment (Fines very statement which i placcd on the or forfeiture of allow ances, withholding of Table of the House indicating the passes and PTOs, cen action that has been taken against or sured or warned) 334 362 is proposed to be taken against the defaulters. As the House is no doubt I have already mentioned that these aware, the taking of departmental cases have to be promptly and ex action does take time, with tne giving peditiously disposed of. It might be of notices and the like, but still ins- interesting to the House to know that tiuctions have been i.isued that these these disciplinary cases are, in fact cases should be expeditiously dispos been expeditiously disposed of. The ed of, and a time limit of three total number of accidents in the year months has been placed for com plet 1961-62 in which action was started ing all stages of disciplinary actions. was 3,938 and the number of cases finalised within three month? was The House would like to get jome 2,571 which shows that experious pnd quick disciplinary action was information about the punitive action that has been taken against thjsc em taken in those cases where the res ponsibility can be fixed upon the ployees who were found to be res defaulters and upon those who might ponsible for dereliction of duty or for gross negligence. While, no doubt, be concerned in this. a? pointed out above the main em This is the picture so far as the phasis is on educating the staff in broad question of accidents is con correct methods, those of the staff cerned. Now, it is very painful for who indulge in unsafe and incorrect all of us, and to me personally, to working are not allowed to go un read of news about train accidents. punished. Deterrent punishments It is more painful than other acci are awarded to the stall found tn dents, because one is vitally concern blame for violating the rules, even ed and the impact upon the mind also though in some cases such violations is pretty heavy. But, when we talk may not have actually resulted in an of these figures and the like, we accident. An analysis of the mature should always keep in our mind the of the disciplinary action taken against size of the railway system and the the staff held responsible for causing size of the effort that is being put in train accidents during the years 1960 by the railways, so that these figures 61 and 1901-62 shows the following: which might otherwise appear to be Total number of staff punished: pretty large fall in the proper pers pective. T961-62 1,648 1960-61 1,408 These figures are known, but they deserve being mentioned again so that Removal from service 1961-62 142 we might have a proper idea of the 1960-61 49 total size of the effort that is being Reduced to lower 1962-62 . 156 put in by the railways. Extending grades : 1960-61 ; 107 over a route mileage of 34,950 miles and a track mileage of 52,013 miles, Reduced ill the same 1961-62 . 29 grade : 1960-61 . 52 the Indian Government Railways 2085 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2089 Railway Accidents operate 10,629 locomotives, 28,009 thing has been jumbled up. It is coaching vehicles and 309,344 (Units) not possible for me, just now, to make goods wagons. They run every day any observation on the points and the about 4,500 passenger trains and 3,000 figures which have been given by the goods trains. An idea of the gigantic hon. Minister. nature of work performed by the Railways can be had from the fact Attempts have been made on behalf that the Indian Railways operate of the Minister to state that the situ annually 133 million of passenger ation is not so alarming. But, I train miles and 113 million of goods would request the hon. Minister to train miles. About 4:5 million mix up with the ordinary people out passengers travel every day on the side this House and watch their im Indian Railways. There are about pression. The whole country is terri 6,500 railway stations scattered all bly afraid of the situation. The over India, ranging from simple flag whole country is panicky. You hear stations with an ordinary rail level of accidents daily. platform to gigantic stations like Bombay V.T. More than 11 lakh Just now we are discussing here railwaymen work in different parts of and the hon. Minister is trying to the country under verying climatic prove by some figures that the situ and seasonal conditions to keep 7,500 ation is improving, here is the news trains moving daily all over the published in the Indian Express of country. With the day-to-day opera today that yesternight at about tions of the railways spread over 9:47 p.m. while the 22 Up Deluxe such an extensive area and perform Express which left New Delhi last ed by such a large number of people, evening reached near Morena, it with equipment of varying degrees of Jumped from the rail. There was a complexity, it is not wholly possible serious accident and the line has not to eliminate all accidents. yet been cleared, I think. Nowadays, you will find that not a single passen Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion moved: ger, while undertaking a journey by train, can put any confidence in the “That the statement regarding safe termination of his journey. He Railway accidents, laid on the is always in constant fear that there Table of the House on the 9th might be a chance of an accident. August, 1962, be taken into con sideration.” The hon. Minister has finished his duty just now by giving a settlement. I think there should be a time limit He has also expressed his sorrow for of 15 minutes for each speaker fixed. the accidents and for the persons who succumbed to the injuries due to the Shrimati Renuka Ray (Malda): One accidents. But, is that all that our hour has already been taken up. The country expects from a Minister who time should be extended. is, ultimately^ responsible for the whole management of the Railways? Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Fifteen minutes for each Member. Shri The hon. Minister has laid on the Dinen Bhattacharya. Table of the House a statement and he has just now f£ven some figures. Shri Dinen Bhattacharya (Seram- I am dealing with the statement which pore): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, it he laid on the Table of the House a would have been better for us to few days back. He has referred to participate in the debate if the figures only 15 accidents within a period of which have just now been given by 41 days, from 23rd June to 3rd August, the hon. Minister had been circulat 1962. In these accidents, 72 died— ed beforehand. To be, at least, every and now the figure will be 74 be- 2087 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2088 Accidents [Shri Dinen Bhattacharaya] cause 2 have been added later. While collision has taken place or some sort stating what actions were taken, for of accident had taken place. That is dereliction of duty or laxity in duty, why the whole nation has been alarm against persons who were responsi ed over the present state of affairs in ble for the accidents, you see a very the railway department. Something funny thing. Our Minister and the must be done to check this imme Railway department are very en diately. thusiastic to take action against per sons for lapses in duty and they do Aiter the last general elections not even excuse dead men. there was a change in the Ministry and a new Cabinet was formed. If you see the report, you will find When hon. Shri Swaran Singh took that on 27-6-1962, while BR Up mixed over the railways people felt that train war, on the run between Kuar- there would be some sort of Jiange munda and Birmiirapur stations, the in the matter. But the actual per train engine along with 5 empty formance within this short period has wagons next to engine derailed. belied all the expectations and per- (S.E. Railway). And, in the next hap ; that were cherished by he column, action taken, you will find pec^ie. Fa: es have been increasd it written, ‘Driver killed’, and the while amenities have in no way im accident took place due to excesive proved; the safety of the journey has speed. So, we are very very thanknot been guaranteed. The number of ful for the excessive enthusiasm o: accidents is increasing. It is impossi our Ministry to take action even ble to reduce them so long as the against a dead man. policy and attitude of the Railway Ministry are not basijally changed Sardar Swaran Singh: May I clarify and it is functioning in a stereo this, Sir, as this has been referred to? typed and bureucratic way, in the I am sorry. I am sorry for that traditional way in which Uie iiiu Liters slip in typing. What was intended to were functioning in the old days. be conveyed was that no action could Thai is w hy so many fatal accidents be taken as the driver was unfortu are taking place. An increase in the nately killed. .... ( Interruptions). tonne mileage of freight and the carrying capacity of passengers has 15 hrs. been brought about without a corres ponding and proportionate increase in Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: In the the railway staff; in these circum last Lok Sabha also there had been stances the recurrence of accidents long and heated discussions on this and fall in efficiency are Inevitable. very subject in last November scath This has been discussed several times ing criticisms were made by Members and every year during the budget from both sides and some concrete disoussion it is pointed out that the suggestions were also given. After railwaymen are under-staffed and the conclusion of the debate, the then overworked in the lines and locosheds hon. Railway Minister gave the same and workshops and it not very un assurances about the safety measures natural on their part to commit an and the action proposed to be taken error. The report of the Ministry to avoid accidents 4hat are now being presented before the budget discus given. But in practice the situation sion states that 68*8 per cent, of has not improved and whatever may accidents are due to engine failures be the figures placed here, in reality and failures of rollup I3 it accident has become a daily feature. not because of improper and inade Every day in the morning when you quate maintenance and repairs? open a newspaper, you see some Enough was said during the last where an engine has derailed or a Budget and some trade unions also 2089 Motion re: SRAVANA 25,1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2090 Railway Accidents brou ght the innumerable facts to the issues which he wants to be adjudicat. notice of the railway authorities but ed by the tribunal. To that extent, 1 no change was effected and as a re think he can go. sult the accidents went up and there is seldom a day without a railway Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: Some sug accident. Today when science and gestions regarding safety measures technology are so predominent, it is have been given here. As a layman beyond our conception to imagine the it is not possible for me to make use Dumaraon accident. The hon. Minis ful observations on the measures sug ter has stated that there is a judicial gested. But I know the history of enquiry and we must not refer to that the railways to some extent and so matter in detail. I do not want to many assurances were given in the past and some enquiry committees say much on that. But, Sir, how were also set up to enquire about could it happen? The goods train certain accidents. Some depart was lying there; it was brought from mental enquiries were held and some the up main to the down main line. good suggestions were given. How It was lying the're for one hour. In many of the suggestions and recom spite of that the clearing signal was mendations of the enquiry committees given to the ill-fated Amritsar Mail. which were set up in the past have In the meantime it appears fn m the been implemented? An overall en new~r :rv'r reports that attomnts werr» quiry committee is needed, not only made to put the blame on the un In respect of accidents, but for a total fortunate cabinman. What wa> the and thorough enquiry into the rail control doing? The goods train could way’s functioning so that Parliament not be brought to the down main and the country may know where the line without the clear instructions disease lies and so that we can sug from the Control? gest some measures to check this sort of accidents happening regularly. Shri Hanumanthaiya: Who was res Certain figures were given in the ponsible? statement and it was said that acci dents of minor nature were not men Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: I do not tioned here. Only last week, near know; the enquiry is going on. I am Calcutta, at Dum Dum, a peculiar making my observations from the accident took place. Fortunately, it newspaper reports. took place at the dead of night, other wise there would have been catastro Shri Hanumanthaiya: How do you phe. Had the accident happened in say that the cabinman is unfortunate? the day-time, hundreds of lives would Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: From the have been lost You know there is a reports in the newspapers it appeared bridge just on one of the main to me and that is why I am giving thoroughfares of Dum Dum, the engine expression to my views; I am not of a goods train, pushed against a putting the blame on anybody ...... buffer. There was a ditch or a pit (Interruptions.) on the bridge and the engine fell down headlong into that ditch, and the head Shrimati Renuka Ray: Could he of the engine touched the road under refer to the details of the case when the bridge. ^ The road was blocked for U is under investigation? so many hours. This type of acci dents also takes place. Is it of a Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. minor nature? If I pass by the road, Member should avoid matters which there is a chance of my being a are gub-judice. victim of a railway accidcnt without being a passenger of the train. This Dr. M. S. Aney (Nagpur): Will it Is the situation. not be proper to put down the issues which the Commission of enquiry Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Mem could go into? He can put down the ber's time is up. 15 minutes are over. 2091 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2092 Accidents Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: I shall ly suggest that our to do justice to finish very shortly. I have two or the departed souls who fell victims to three things to say. We have heard the accidents under his regime, to of unmanned gates. In my area, on give some consolation to the bereav the Howrah-Burdwan section, you ed families, and to keep up the demo will find unfenced railway lines. Since cratic traditions which were created the introduction of the electric trac when there were major accidents and tion, every day there are many cases Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri the then of run-over. I know that the railway Railway Minister resigned. That step is not directly responsible for this. should be followed by our existing But can I not demand that there hon. Minister of Railways. I know should be fencing at least in those that the resignation of the Minister places which are thickly populated so is not a panacea, but at least our that there may not be any case of democratic tradition will be main run-over?This is my suggestion and tained by his resignation. With these it must be looked into. few words, I conclude. The Deputy Minister in the Minis Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: Mr. try of Railways (Shri Shahnawaz Deputy-Speaker, Sir, we discussed the Khan): What happened to the fencing railway accidents exclusively for two that the railway had put up? hours during" the last session. Now again we are discussing them for five Shri Dinen Bhattacharya: There is hours. It gives me no satisfaction to no fencing. You go there and you abuse or criticise the Railway will see that I am correct. I live in Ministry or the administration or to that area and I know there is no fenc shout at the Minister to resign when ing there. You know what the situa a major accident occurs and quote tion is, after the introduction of Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri’s example. electric traction. The electric trains If you were to follow that advice, I come without much sound and the think each one of us will have a turn people want to catch the train earlier to become the Railway Minister! and very often fall victims to the train accidents. That is why fencing As a matter of fact, I think nobody is necessary. must be feeling more unhappy than the railway administration and the Another thing to which I should Railway Minister himself at the rate like to invite your attention is this. of accidents which we are having I was saying about the work-load of thoug h in the context in which he railway men. I had in my mind the presented the entire picture, the Rail situation of the cabins at Serampore. way Minister wanted to give us the You will admit that it is the busiest facts and figures to appreciate that line. There, just three men have to nothing abnormal has happened during manage the whole affair. There are this period or during this year, and four main lines, up and down. One to show that the number of serious bacin-man has to attend to duty for accidents and the number of casualties eight hours anS it is physically im almost remains the same from year possible for a single cabin-man to to year. * manage four lines. That, should be looked into. I hope the hon. Minister It may be construed from his speech will enquire into it and see that that the state of affairs has to an things are improved there. extent improved, because, though the number of accidents remains al I have heard the analysis and ex most at the same level, the number planation of the statement given by of trains which have been introduced the hon. Minister. I do not know and the traffic which is being carried how the people will be satisfied with on are much higher and larger. They this statement. But I am not cer are ri&ng from year to year. tainly satisfied. That is why I humb 2093 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2094 Railway Accidentr The hon. Minister also quoted cer correct position if we just examine tain figures from the U.K. and the only one picture of the railway ad U.S.A. to indicate that we compare ministration, i.e. regarding accidents. quite favourably. I accept all that, My feeling is that accidents are just though some hon. friends on this side a symptom of a deeper malady, a pointed out that conditions in the deeper disease, from which the or U.K. and the U.S.A. are not compar ganisation is suffering. It is not ns if able. I do not know in what respect, everything else on the railway admi except that in the U.K. and the U.S.A. nistration is going on very well and they have got highly mechanised it is only on this particular aspect of things; they have opportunities to accidents that something is really improve and they have opportunities wrong. So what is necessary is not for better training and, if in spite of only a probe into these accidents, but better mechanism and better train to examine the entire working of the ing, the number of accidents is still railway administration, what it is larger, the railways can with some suffering from and what can be done justification claim credit on a com about it. parative basis. But I do not know if the hon. Minister realises that even There are certain factors which in the U.S.A. the rate of delinquency have to be taken note of. The rail is three times more than in this coun way administration has been burdened try. If you were to take into account with ever-increasing responsibilities. the figures for crime or juvenile The other day, I asked a question of delinquency in the U.S.A., you will the Railway Minister as to what was find that there is nothing for us to the work load on each zonal railway compare with more prosperous coun The zonal railways had been carved tries where there is a lesser sense of out on certain standards and their responsibility. I think these com efficiency bureau had submitted a parisons are not very satisfactory and report that each zone has got a parti are invidious. cular work load of 160 units and when they found that the load was a little Apart from that, I would like the more, they bifurcated the railways. hon. Minister to tell us what the But according to the figures submitted comparative position from year to by the Minister in answer to my ques year is, and what the comparative tion, I find that the work load on al position”with other countries is. May most each railway zone is much be I ask him this square question: yond what the efficiency bureau would whether he is satisfied that the pre consider the level at which they will sent position is inevitable, that there be able to function efficiently. It is is not much scope for improvement much more and it is going to be and that whatever improvement was much more* during the third Plan, possible has been attended to. Is he when the freight traffic is going to himself satisfied with it? I want to be almost doubled. We have not know whether he is satisfied that all been told in this House as to how the the" necessary steps which could pos railway administration is tackling sibly be taken have already been this. This is bound to have an effect taken. T think he will not be able to on the working of the railway ad say that I will not go into these ministration. We must be taken inta> numerous accidents. Of course it is confidence. important to have an overall picture. I am myself, at the present junc But I will only deal with those ture, not prepared to say much on serious accidents of collision, averted this subject. The Railway Minister collisions, derailments, etc. and try was kind enough to send me the in to impress upon the Minister that formation and material which I had these are due to causes which, to a asked for. He was good enough even very great extent are avoidable. But to offer to me the assistance of some my view is that we will not "et a of his officers to let me understand 2095 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2096 Accidents [Shri Harish Candra Mathur] the subject more deeply. I am making see that each General Manager is allittle study of the subject and I made to feel that he is under the shall be able to ask for further assis direct eye of the Railway Minister. tance and material on the subject. Each General Manager should apply But it is obvious to me that the work the same principle to the Divisional ing of the entire organisation has Superintendents. I do not want that got to be examined in the context in the annual reports written by the of various things. General Managers about the Divisional Superintendents, they should only Talking exclusively about railway pass remarks about their promotion. accidents, I would submit that the I want that in the annual report of a M nister should examine one parti Divisional Superintendent, entries cular aspect. He has given us an should be made as to how he 'has over-all picture that the number of conducted himself and what is the railway accidents is just the same state of affairs of that particular divi from year to year. But if he makes sion during’ a particular period when a deeper probe, he will find that in he was there, whether he has taken a railway zone which has taken cer any personal interest in taking effec tain important steps, there has been tive steps to see that the number of a considerable fall in the number of accidents goes down and efficiency in accidents. There are certain other creases. He must not be removed for zones where the number has increas at least three years. He must be ed. I would like the Minister to permitted to stay there for a longer give us the break-up of these railway time so that' he will be able to give accidents on each zone so that we may a good account of his performance. If see whether the number of accidents ' you transfer a man after six months, is even on all the zones or whether 1 year or 1/112 years, you cannot hold the performance of certain zones has him responsible. I believe posts higher gone up and of certain others has than Divisional Superintendent are gone down. selection posts. So, these promotions should go to those people who really If mv information is correct that 3 first class performance of their the performance of certain railway division and not just in the ordinary zones has gone down, it is easily and natural course. If the Divisional understandable that if the manage Superintendent knows that his future ment is tightened and if there is a career is tied down to the performance really sound man at the top, he will which he gives of his particular divi be able to improve the state of affairs. sion from year to year. I a msure he If you have a man who takes a will take a personal interest in the faissez faire attitude or a routine at matter. titude, in the matter, the number of accidents goes up. So.. I feel that the I would also like to appeal to the first thing to be done is administra Minister to strengthen the inspecto tive tightening up and administrative rate. You will remember, Mr. efficiency, if you have the right man Deputy-Speaker, that even in the at the right place and if you give Rajya Sabha I raised this point times him proper authority to function free without number regarding the Inspec ly and take immediate steps at the tor of Railways. There was a move proper time, he will be able definite from the Railway Board to take over ly" to give you a much better account. the Inspector of Railways from the Ministry of Transport under their I am concerned only with giving direct control. I protested against it; certain suggestions to the Minister, so I put question after question and that he mav be able to improve the eventually while Shri Lai Bahadur railways. He should get periodic re Shastri was Railway Minister, he ports from each railway zone and agreed and they gave up that pro 2097 Motion re: SRAVANA 25,1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2098 Railway Accidents posal, so that the Inspector of Rail crores if that is necessary to provide ways will continue to be under the all the necessary equipments to pre Ministry of Transport and he could vent the occurrence of these accidents. have an independent checking on the railways. That has happened. But, The third thing is the human factor. unfortunately, what I find is that his As I told you, my hon. friend has authority has been very considerably mentioned about training. Training diluted. He does not make any im is absolutely essential. But, disci pact as before. His inspections are plinary action, as he said, is equally not given that weight and that im necessary. There should be power portance which they used to carry at to take immediate, disciplinary action an earlier time. This is something on the spot. I do not know why the very wrong. General Managers whom we pay Rs. 3,500, who are the senior-most Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Mem men, are not given such powers. ber should try to conclude now. Shri A. P. Sharma (Buxar): They Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: Sir, have the powers to deal with these five hours have been allotted for this cases. discussion. I will take another ten Shri Harish Chandra Mathar: They minutes. have not got the powers; that is the unfortunate fact. I would say that Shri Sonavane (Pandharpur): He even the Divisional Superintendents, has got many points. with this increase in the work load, Mr. Deputy-Speaker: He has already should be made chota General Man taken 15 minutes. agers and they must also be given the authority to take immediate action Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: Sir, I and inject a sense of urgency in the would not like to repeat the causes minds of the people. which have been detailed by the hon. Minister for Railways. But, if you Regarding the drivers who are just divide the causes you will find primarily to play a very important that they fall into three categories. role in the working of the Railways, Fristly, as I said, there is the human I want to point out one thing. Pre failure. Secondly, there are the viously, well, I was concerned with defects in the mechanical equipments the small State of Jodhpur. Though it and devices. One thing is very clear u?ed to be the fourth largest princely in my mind, that so far as the Sta't? in India, we had a railway of mechanical equipments and their only 1400 miles. During those days maintenance are concerned, never be every driver had a sort of attachment fore were our standards lower than with the engine which he was driving. they are today. This is reflected in You must inculcate into these drivers every aspect' of the administration. a sort of personal attachment for the The maintenance is at its lowest. The locomotive which he is manning and mechanical equipments and the he must be made to take care of that mechanical devices which are avail locomotive. He will respond to that, able to the railways are not 'maintain but we have not inculcated the right ed properly. It is not due to any psychology and the right background lack of funds, but it is actually due to our men who are directly concern ♦o the lack of utilisation of the funds. ed with it. Let the hon. Minister deny and say Well. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, I have that the funds are used in full. They various other points to make, but in have not been able to utilise the funds due deference to your wishes and that this Parliament has sanctioned. because there are many other hon. I do not think the Parliament would Members who would like to partici hesitate even for a moment to give pate in this discussion I close my them another Rs. 5 crores or Rs. 10 speech. 2099 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2100 Accidents sfcrcft ( * w h r ) : gtja^Ti» m : ^ r t ^qrtTT5T n g t t , TTTTcfta it f f ^ ^ Tft % ftcft |, f^ r ^r fan 'tt t r 1- arrrir w r ^t S\^m % i ^ f*RTC ft t^t ?r#t ft 5: ^ ? 1 ^TRT=F ^TT ^ 1M1 ft'+ ^ fa fa *mt v t 5TTrT fire^F sft Wtrff vihnThpjr >ft ft ^rm ^ftr f+n^n f t ^ T - ^ d ’in*, |T , f j R it ^rrfta fa^r 5fWf *rt 5^^rmf % sttt 3t r , i^Ft fan faer ^ -> t r % ^i- ^ srfa qf^t 1 ^voT ^T P^HHT ^T%TT, ^ fffa T^T m y,T ^ft 'TPTT^lft % ^1 ^ui & m i °*4 r*H *i\ ^ it ? r It *rV t 5^h^t ^ o 3T5?rrf, ^T ^ F T rf^TT «R t T? ^TPTr | I to <*> f-r^TT r STTH? fh fiT qT *nj33T-^TT ^ i rr^ ^rft *TT % *TFT *FT f^TfT ^=f *RT *ftr *T ^TFHT lir^T ft ?r, ^Tt ^ r n f+>H -HIr-fl-f*H<-T 1 ^mhh) f3R ’T’-dI*1*1 ^ ^ f r n f t T ft % ^ r w * \ % ftpT ^pq- «ft I % ^1dT<+T irft^T t't ^FTrfa t o t ^rft ^TT ^spff *flr fW T % ?TT ^ ift 1 ^ ^t sr^r nWrf ^ r ^1% ^T 3?t HRq I ^ R 3?t ?Tfa I inft ^fT^r 5f?t ?fm wr, m ^ ?miT S^fT ^|cT ?T STRR fsTOR *R, qT*J ^ t r st^ aftr farr ^rr < J^f^TTF f^T-^-f^T 4 < \4 < ^ f t ft vstt Tft t 1 % 0x ^ rt Shri Hanumanthaiya: Sir, as my hon. friend Shri Harish Chandra ^T ^T | fa t ^T l^Hl^l' Vt Mathur said, it is very difficult to TtaFT ^T I ^ ^HdHf ^7^ make all the points one has in hig qr sift^rpfhr Pi<^4d <+"f % mind during the course of 15 minutes. Nevertheless, we have to do it. I ?T «TT ^r, S^T would, therefore, take only one point. m 1 That point, though it was in my mind. Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2102 Railway Accidents came up very prominently when the ask for increase in their emoluments, hon. Member belonging to the Com or guarantee for their rights or safe munist Party opened the debate By guards against punishment or victi already preparing a sort of defence in misation, as they call it, in a way, advance for some categories of rail- they will be uniting themselves waymen. As the hon. Railway Minis against- the common man. I have ter says, there are 11 lakhs of rail hardly listened to a speech on the ways 'Organised into various sectors. floor of this House, fixing the responsi There is the sector of management, bility squarely on the organised consisting of the officers of the Rail labour. Not that the others are way Board and others, Divisional entirely free from responsibility. If Managers and upwards. There is a Ministers are responsible, if the Rail large percentage of railwaymen called way Board is responsible, much more railway labourers, organised under responsible is organised labour, various names in various zones. I do specially in a socialist pattern of not make any distinction between the society. Because in a socialist pattern ^ political affiliations of these organised of society the masters are also the railwaymen. For the purpose of this people who work. It is also their debate, I would call them organised responsibility. Therefore, let nobody labour. run away with the impression that it is the officers of the railway and the Every one of us is very enthusiastic Ministers that are solely to be blamed. in blaming the Ministers, the Govern Unfortunately, for the last one decade ment, as is easily done. Besides, they or more, debates have taken place are before our eyes. That is the tem here as though the sole culprits are ptation. Whenever we make criticisms the officers and the Ministers. We or suggestions, they must be, as I have completely forgotten the res have been pleading, on non-partisan ponsibility “of organised labour, be basis and in an objective manner so cause they have innumerable votes that our administration may improve and we were afraid that they may and the safety and well-being of our vote against us in the next’ general people is guaranteed. elections. These are considerations which ought to be given up from our This House has - passed several minds once and for all if we are to legislative enactments, guaranteeing play our part truthfully and effective all kinds of rights and amenities to ly as representatives of the nation, organised labour. I was one of the not of this party or that party, or Members of the Provisional Parlia this political affiliation or that affilia ment which passed innumerable laws tion. in this direction. Then we were all happy that we were able to concede I had To travel by train about two so many rights and amenities to or months ago from Bangalore to Coim ganised labour. A time has now come batore when some of the railway pro for us to consider whether organised blems struck my mind forcefully. labour has come up to our expecta From that day onwards I have begun tions in th5 matter of discharging its to take interest in the working of the duties. Many a time organised 'abour railways. Formerly, I never used to is found to be more interested in travel by train. I used to travel by trade unionism than in the welfare of car if it was a short distance, or by the railways, in the proper and effi plane if it was a Tong distance. So, cient management of the railways or it was years since I ceased to travel tn the people at large. by train. During this train journey at a station called Erode, the guard The slogan of the trade union arid went on whistling three or four times the political party of mv hon. friend, and the train did not start. I was Shri Bhattacharya, is “workers of the sitting in the compartment. They did world, unite”. Against whom? Against not know mv identity. I went out the common man. Whenever they and asked the guard why the train 1477 CAi) LSD.—8 . 2103 Motion re: AUGUST 16. 1962 Statement on Railway 2104 Accidents [Shri Hanumanthaiya] had not started even though he had 11 lakhs of people whom we pay to waved the flag and whistled thrice. carry us safely and in proper time to He said that the engine had not warm our destination. They do not do any ed up. When I asked why, then did charitable work to the rest of the he whistle he could not answer. He population; they are expected to do then told me privately that many a their duty.. If they do not do their time this happens because the drivers duty, they ought to be punished; not do not obey his whistle. At the sub in the way enumerated in the list, sequent station also I went on making namely, that a notice has been issued enquiries. There is not that co or they have been suspended. That ordination which is needed between is not the punishment the tears and worker and worker and department sight and sufferings of the relatives and department even at the lowest of the 74 people call for. As I said level. It may be that by the educa on a previous occasion, these offences tive process, as the hon. Minister has must be made capital offences. stated, we may be able to make the O officer class, the educated class, come up to the highest pitch of efficiency Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad (Bhagal- but, so far as the workers are con pu r): 302. cerned, there is a good deal of chaos, a good deal of consciousness of their Shri Hanumanthaiya: The labour rights which has led to indiscipline. laws, if necessary, and the Indian In many cases, the officers are afraid Penal Code, in particular, ought to be of the railwaymen. Many a time, amended and anybody who is respon railwaymen, the organised labour, sible directly or indirectly, willingly or may have a grievance or may not negligently, for the death of any per have a grievance but the amount of son must be held guilty of murder. It discipline that is necessary is not should be for him to plead before a there, the amount of obedience that court of law if there is any extenuat is necessary for efficient management ing circumstance. If there is, a les of our railways is not there. It is ser punishment. It should be for the this aspect that ought to be tackled court of law to deternv'ne. So far as very seriously. the Government machinery is con cerned, so far as the public prosecu As you know, Sir, very often I do tors* wing or that branch of Govern not think in the routine wav. It may ment is concerned, they must haul up be my fault but, nevertheless, I ven everyone who is responsible for the ture to make a suggestion to this hon. death of a person for murder. House which may not be accepted to- dav but will be accepted in times to If I give a little piece of adv;ce I come. When 74 people die at Dum may not be misunderstood for vanity. room if the railway laws and proce There is a dictum that no government dure merelv permit the kpoointment can run efficiently unless there is, what of a committee, or issuing of notices, is called, fear and respect for aut that is not a satisfactory and effective hority or for the person who exer way of making peoole know their res cises authority. If it is purely res ponsibility. I would urge that in the pect, it becomes, what is called, the changed circumstances, where there goody-goody Government of Bharat, is no longer a capitalistic society but as we say. a socialist society, guilt is not solely what is called theft or injury inflicted Shri Harish Chandra Math nr: It upon another. The greatest guilt Is can never be respected. offence against society; the greatest guilt is offence against people who Shri Hanumanthaiya: It it is pure are expected to be faithfully served ly fear, it becomes a tyranny. It is a by the paid class of society. Here are harmonious combination of these two 2105 Motion re: - SRAVANA 25, 1884 (Sw4fC4) Statement on 2106 Railway Accidents elements, fear and respect, that will It should be an endeavour on our part give us good government. It is with to lessen the number of those acci this view that I am making this sug dents; but we have to put up with gestion in all honesty and sincerety them against our wishes. Sir, with the that our law should b e amended b o a s t o modern developments in technology, make every offience against life and our machines have reached a high de society a capital o f t e n r e . gree of perfection. Even so while the astronauts have circled round several Shri A. P. Jain (Tumkur): Mr. times and come down to earth, while Deputy-Speaker, Sir, railway acci mechanism has reached a high stage dents are -a matter of grave concern of perfection, yet more conditions in and rightly so as on many an occasion which our railways are working, I they involve danger to human life. Of am afraid, the contention of the hon. late figures have been given in this Minister that some accidents have to House which go to indicate that quite be put up with cannot be ignored. a large number of persons have lost their lives and others have been in The Indian Railways during the war ’ jured seriously or lightly. It is, were greatly exhausted. I am glad therefore, but befitting that this House that during the First and Second should take serious notice of railway Plans some renewal and renovation accidents and debate them once, de has been done and the railways arc bate them twice over and debate in a much better state of repair. Even them many a time. In fact, if I have so, our railways are over-burdened. been able to understand the trend of They have to carry a much larger the hon. Minister correctly, he has wel number of persons than has been pro comed this debate because, for one vided for. In fact, the expectations of thing, he has been able to put the the Planning Commission in regard viewpoint of the railways before this to passenger traffic have been exceed House and, for the other, he has been ed and the railways are overcrowded. able to understand the feeling of Sometimes, they have to run more others. trains than what the track could rea sonably bear. Having said so much, we must be clear in our minds that no amount of Then, the freight traffic has also in shouting and denouncing will improve creased much beyond expectation. the working of the railways. Some Therefore, you cannot lay the blame honl Members here interrupted the wholly on the railways for some of the hon. Minister when he was giving minor accidents that have been hap figures of railway accidents in pre-, pening. There have been some major vious years and in other countries. accidents about which we feel very To my mind they are both very rele soory, which perhaps could have been vant figures because when we judge avoided and with a better administra the efficiency of the railways we have tion which. I think, will be avoided. to do it in the background of the work Even so, I think the picture is not ing conditions that exist, namely, whai so gloomy as some Members have had been happening in the past and tried to draw it. what is happening in other countries. The hon. Member, Shri Bhattacharya It does not necessarily mean that there ^ id —I will repeat his words— is an exact parallel between the rail that accidents are increasing da ly. ways here and the railways abroad. We are sorry for the accidents. Even Nonetheless, the figures which the if their number is stationary, we would hon. Min:ster has given, lead us to like it to go down we would like that one inevitable conclusion, that is that there should be no accidents; but if in a mechanised and fast running is overdrawing the picture, particular transport, like the railways, a certa n ly, in the face of the facts and figures number of accidents are unavoidable which tjie hon. Minister has K*ven U5 2107 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2108 Accidents [Shri A. P. Jain] when he said that accidents are ever is capable of achievii^ ihe other rail on the increase. He went on further way zones are also capable of achiev to say that peoole who get into the ing. Therefore I would request the compartment of a train do not know hon. Minister to give some thought to whether they will rcach their destina it. He should have a comparative tion. These are all exaggerated state study of accidents and relevant things ments which are not going to do any done in the different zones to find out good to the country. They can spread how or why it is that one zone is do panic but they are not going to im ing better than the other zone because, prove the administration. We find after all, the conditions are almost the that the traffic is ever on the increase same everywhere. and therefore this statement to say the least, is overdrawing the picture. My hon. friend has also made an other suggestion and that is in regard The hon. Member, Shri Bhatta to the tightening of the administra charya, raised a very fundamental tion. The hon. Minister has said that question. He said that something must the penal aspect is an important once. be done to avoid accidents. We are It is an important one. But what hap all one with him. The hon. Minister pens is that by the time the decision also wants accidents to be avoided. is taken, much of the time has elapsed, Everyone of the hon. Members pre and the effectiveness of the penal sent in this House want that there action disappears. should be no accidents. But what, after all are the suggestions that he 16 hrs. has put forward? He has put for ward only three suggestion's. One is The hon. Minister has given us that there should an overall in figures of the number of accidents that quiry. It is a valuable suggestion. I have taken place in a particular year, hope the* hon. Minister will give full I think, 1960-61, and he has also given thought to it because accidents are us the figure in regard to the number nothing by themselves, they are only of cases in which action has been a part of the railway administration— taken. Proportionately, it was a good some of its failings and weaknesses— performance, but we do not know and unless the railway administration whether in important cases, action was is tightened in all its aspects and facets quickly taken. I think that there is accidents cannot be eliminated alto a good case for the devolution of gether. The other two suggestions authority not to the minor officials which he made were to put up fencing who may vietinise the pointsmen, and to increase the number of cab’n- signalers and others, but to fairly men. If these things could eliminate well-placed officers who can take a accidents, it is a very easy thing. But dispassionate view but who can at the the thing is not so sirriple same time also take effective action; My hon. friend, Shri Mathur, has made some very valuab’ e suggestions. There is another thing to which I One of his suggestions to which 1 would like to draw the attention of would like to lend m ysupport is that the hon. Minister. At present, there the working of the different zones is a system under which in each acci should be studied. It is a fact that dent a separate inquiry is held. The in some of the zones ‘he working con inquiry m ay be through an inspector; ditions off the railways are better. in certain cases, it may be also through There are fewer accidents there while a High Court judge. So far as that in the other zones there are more ac goes, that is all right. But these in cidents. Here is something which can quiries will never eliminate or sub provide us with instances or examples stantially reduce the ocourrance of Mid precept. What one i ail way zone accidents. 2109 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2110 Railway Accidents I have seen a press interview given There is also the question of over by Dr. Kunzru, chairman of the rail worked people. We cannot ignore that, way accidents inquiry committee, and fact. Now, with the faster speed and who has said that he had collected all the better mechanism with which the the reports of the inquiries and found railways are run, better locomotives, out the causes of accidents and got better engines such as diesel engines, them classified. He is trying to work electrical engines etc., and better and out a report on the basis of the re improved signals, superior and more ports which he will discuss with the vigilant human skill is needed. If we railway authorities and others and over-work men, if we over-work a then make his recommendations. The driver, or a signalman, there is always method which Dr. Kunzru. has follow something to be said for them. There ed gives us certain lessons. I would fore, it is essential that railwaymen suggest to the hon. Minister that should not be overworked because there should be a bureau of research, they have to handle specialised mac which should keep in constant touch hinery. They must also get proper with the accidents occurring, and training. I am not fully acquainted which should function in a scientific with the type of training provided to and technical manner. This bureau signalmen and others. Initially, as must be manned by very highly regards the type of men that are to qualified persons, men whose position be recruited, since we are having and whose knowledge can exercise in more mechanisation and better fluence on railwaymen who and who types of equipment, it is neces may also inspire confidence among the sary to recruit educated persons of public; they should keep themselves higher calibre. These persons must constantly in touch with the causes of have proper and sufficiently long accidents and suggest technological training; there must also be in-service and other improvements. I make this training, so that they may keep at suggestion in the hope that it will be least with the developing needs. given proper and due consideration, because I am one of those who be So far as fixing of personal respon lieve that modern technology today sibility is concerned, we know that it has reached a stage where almost any is not always an easy thing. We have thing is possible, and accidents and talked about it several times. When mishaps can be avoided to a very an inquiry into a railway accident is large extent, but only when thing's are made, we try to fix the personal res properly organised. I do not think ponsibility of individual railwaymen. that an inspector, whether he is un But I do not think that our methods der the Ministry of Transport or un of inquiry is sufficiently developed to der the Ministry of Railways or even fix personal responsibility I want supposing he is put under the charge that a railwayman should feel that he of some High Court where no in is the trustee looking after the wel fluence works upon him, is the pro fare of millions and millions of pas per type of person to finid out sengers who are travel by trains and the real causes or to make a who have entrusted their life and safe really satisfactory recommendation ty into his hands, and he must feel for the improvement of the working personally responsible. If he does of the railways. So far as personal not, then he must be adequately dealt responsibility of individuals in respect with of a particular accident is concerned, Finally, I would say a word about it will have to be inquired into se unmanned level-crossings. A large parately. But so far as the technical number of questions have been asked defects and other specialised reasons about this matter. The system of un which account for these accidents are manned level-crossings prevails all concerned, the bureau of research will over the world. Only this morning, do it. r we were informed that there were as r\lti Motion re: AUGUST 8 . 1962 Statement on ttailway 2112 Accidents [Shri A. P. Jain] away with these unmanned level- many as 19,000 unmanned level-cross crossings. Some simple device should ings. JWhile every effort should be be found out to improve maters, and made to man the unmanned gates, a greater responsibility must be thrown wherever it is found necessary and upon the users of the road also. We feasible, it is necessary at the cannot blame the railways every time same time that our motor drivers and simply because the user of the road lorry drivers everybody who drivers has not taken the necessary precau a fast-moving vehicle on the road tions. must develop a sense of responsibility. They must also be properly trained. There may be many other points, There is no reason why a motor but my time is up, and I would not driver or a truck driver should not like to encroach upon your indulgence know that the train is coming. any more. This morning, I was really surprised to hear a statement irom the Deputy Shri Hem Barua Gauhati: As Minister of Railways. He said that the House assembled for this session, he was going on the road, and found there came the tragic news of the ac that one truck driver and one bus cident at Dumraon in which 72 per driver wrere stand’ng face to face, sons were killed and 54 injured. I do bumps to bumper, and would not not want to deal with it because an move backwards. So, both were stand Inquiry Committee has been appointed ing on the railway line. And the De and it is inquiring into the matter. But puty Minister had to get down and thi« s one of the major accidents that ask them to move. If that is the sense, has taken place in this country, and of responsibility on the part of these before the memory of the accident at motor drivers and truck drivers, how Dhanbad and Jaipur faded, there is can we blame the Railway Adminis this tragedy at Dumraon. tration? It is a wonderful thing that the truck driver and the bus driver This show's that there is something should both be standing on the rail rotten, I would say, in the railway way line, with the imminent danger of administration. I do not want the being crushed. Minister to indulge in full-throated A suggestion was made that at un self-praise and to say that the per manned level-crossings the motor dri formance of the Indian railways is vers should halt and proceed. That is one of the best in the world and to o system which is being followed in produce certificates from foreign certain parts of the country. When a sources, British sources or from the bus driver or a lorry driver or a truck World Bank sources or from Swiss driver passes a level-crossing, he must sources. I will request him to admit first stop and then only move, and if facts, modest as he is, and then adopt he does not stop, he must made be •measures to remedy this evil. The legally punishable. matter has brought shame and distress so far as this country is concerned. Shri Hanumanthaiya: There can What do we find in reality? What also be another thing, namely traffic ever the foreign sources might say, Islands. Just as we have these traffic whatever compliments they may pay islands in the cities and towns, like to the railways for their performance, wise, we can have circles on eithei whether those compliments are relat side of the railway line, so that the ed to facts or not, the travelling public speed of the truck or the lorry or bus know, because they have their own would automatically get reduced. experience and this experience has Shri A. P. Jain: There can be vari given rise to suspicions, and these sus ous devices, but my point is that in picions are deep-rooted in the minds » poor country like ours, we cannot do of the people. 2113 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2 114 Railway Accidents Therefore, I do not want this de June, 1962. What about this accident? bate to turn into a battle of wits. 1 It took place because of the ‘displace do not want the Minister to side ment of y 7 v i ng plates due to absence track issues and to try to score a of set scrt'w on spring buckles’. This debating point here or there. There pinpoints i:ie question: whenever a fore, I say that he should admit facts wagon is taken out or an engine is and then try to remedy this cancerous taken out, is it properly examined or development in our railway system. not? This is a very important point If it is not properly examined, then 1 It is a fact that accidents have be say that it is a crime committed on come chronic so fa: as the Indian the travelling public. railways are concerned. The Minis ter himself has admitted while intro ducing the motion that there are 9,000 Then another matter has to be accidents every year and he has cate inquired into; namely, the incidence of accidents consequent on a certain gorised them. Thi3 show* that acci dents are chronic with cur railway screw missing, a certain bolt missing system. In 1961, then* was a survey and so on. Therefore, the question conducted into the number of acci arises whether before an engine 01 dents and we find that during the watfon is taken out, these things are properly examined or not, whether it first six months of that y*ar there were as many as 1,833 accidents. There is seen that spare parts exist or not, was the Shahnawaz Committee which and if the spare parts exist, whether made a survey. According to that they are made available to the party committee, during January 1, 1953 to concerned or not. I would say that January 10, 1954, there were as many the accidents detailed here could be ss 3,282 accidents. averted with a little more care and caution exercised on the part of the railway administration. But some I do not want to waste the time of how or other, there is no attempt like the House by giving a numerical enu that. When I speak of the ‘railway meration of the accidents because they administration’, I do not mean only are too well known and the Ministei those people who are high up at the himself categorised them. He has oscalator. According to me, the given a very fat number of accidents administration embraces a much wider that annually lake place in our coun ambit. try. But I would tell him that some how or other this has brought disgracc It is a fact that often drivers have to our railway system. It has brought been forced to accept engines about disgrace to the country itself. There which they have complained. They fore, I want that he should try \o gear find that there are certain defects. up his administration to s point where They refuse to take such engines. But it has to be serious m dealing with in spite of that, they are forced to these accidents. take out such engines. I remember some years back there was an incident He has detailed some precautionary at Calcutta. A railway train that was measures. But I do not think these to carry most of the office-goers came precautionary measures are encugh be late. What happened? The office- cause these have not succeeded in do goers missed their offices. As a result, ing away with or reducing the num the crowd surrounded the driver of ber of accidents that we have in this the engine and pelted stones at him. country. Then he was bleeding. I do not approve of the conduct of that crowd. In the statement the Minister pre But a crowd is a crowd everywhere. sented to us the other day, there is Then what happened? A reporter of listed an accident which occurred on the Statesman met the driver and the North-Eastern Railway on 30th j interviewed him. The driver said 2115 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2116 Accidents [Shri Hem Barua] very revealing things. He said: “At wagons derailed by all wheels and the time of taking out this railway the engine derailed and capsized’. It engine, I told the loco shed people that might be that the wagons capsize or there was some pipe leaking. The the engine capsizes because of the loco shed people said to me* ‘Take it defective track. What is our experi out and just manage’. I tried to ence? The tracks are in a poor state. manage with this engine. It mis They are worn out. It is said that behaved on the way all through. As upto 31st March, 1960, only 4,173 miles a result of that, see what has hap of tracks were renewed. What about pened to me. As a result of that, I the rest? What about providing have to face the odium0. His head cushion ballast under the sleepers? was bleeding. What about the sleepers themselves? Will the Minister give us statistics There are instances like this. You about the renewal of sleepers and cannot water down the gravity of the renewal of track? I am very happy situation by making a few statements to know one thing. Very recently, on or by piling up such statistics in this the 9th July, the Minister made a House. The situation remains and the statement at Madras. This is what he gravity of the situation has to be said about the importance of renewal faced squarely. It cannot be, it must of tracks, which is a very fine thing, not be, watered down like that. 1 and I congratulate him on that: would say this a hundred times. It is a fact that there is no major “We have to keep the wheels check or major control. The drivers moving at a certain speed and the must not be allowed to take out tracks should be able to take engines about which they complain. heavier loads.” It does not matter whether the defect is a major one or a minor one. In [ am glad that the new Minister of any case, the driver must not be Railways has realised the importance allowed to take out an engine when of renewing the tracks. Wheels need ever there is a disability of the sort roads or rails to move on, and even of sub-standard vacuum pressure. steel is not invincible to the shocks Minor disabilities can be attended to of wear and tear, and that is why with care and caution. But what is this is a problem that has to be happening in this country? Even attended to with all care and caution, these minor things are not attended but the precautionary measures that to. I have cited the instance of the were dished out to us some time back driver in Calcutta, who had to face do not contain an iota of suggestion the odium because the complaint that so as to improve the tracks or so as he made about the engine he was to replace the worn-out tracks. asked to handle was not attended to. I would say the railway administra tion does not have the moral right Now, what about the engines? to play football with the destiny of Some of the engines—I will not say the travelling public. But \that is most of the engines because here an what is happening in this country. 19 engine derailed—are over-aged. On accidents in a row in the course of the admission of the Minister I can 41 days! .x It might be said that these say that 25.4 per cent of the engines are minor accidents. Whatever that on the broad gauge are over-aged, and might be, accidents are accidents 19 per cent of the engines on the You do not characterise accidents like metre gauge are over-aged. This is that. what he himself said some time back while replying to the debate last time. Coming to the N E. Railway acci What can you do with these over dent, it occurred because *three aged engines? What about the ement on 2H7 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Stat 2 118 Railway Accidents repairs? The repairs are entrusted are worn out, the engines are over to people who are not technically aged. Against this background, how suitable or who are not technically can you hope to avoid accidents? On trained. Here, I would quote the worn-out and dilapidated tracks, report of the Basu Committee. The drivers are forced to overwork, are Committee says a very significant forced to drive over-aged engines, thing, but this has not been attended and the human body has certain tot the precautionary measures do not limits. The driver’s human body has contain it. The Basu Committee says: these limits also. Under these circum* stances, it is difficult to avoid acci “ Compared with the revenues dents, and these are the facts that earned, Indian Railways, even have to be taken note of, but in the with all the recent expansions, precautionary measures I do not find are not spending any consider any of these measures. able amount in training their staff. The American Railroads, There are five accidents, the Minis we find, lay a good deal of ter said, so far as level-crossings are emphasis on training as means of concerned. There are 19,000 level- increasing efficient performance crossings in this country, no doubt, and they have not grudged the but at the time of the construction of expenditure involved.” the level-crossings, only the classi fication is taken up, and then in our So, how can you with over-aged country because of the Five Year engines hope to avoid accidents? Plans or because of other factors, road When your child is ill, you want a traffic is growing in volume. That is good doctor; you do not want statistics never taken into account. Only when of doctors and nurses that a hospital there is some sort of accident against might possess. When there is a road traffic at an unmanned level- disease like that, a cancerous disease crossing, the railway administration of accidents in this country, we want wakes up and tries to categorise it, good engines and good men, techni put it into a new classification. This cally competent men, who can look will not do. I would go a step further after the health of the engines; we and say that if possible there should do not want statistics of men who he an attempt to categorise, re-classify work in the loco sheds. level-crossings, and they ought to be manned as far as possible. I know Often it is said that accidents are that we do not have the money, but due to human failures, and as far as this is also a fact that the railways I know, the preliminary report on are earning a substantial revenue. the Dumraon accident also says that Wlun the railways are earning a sub this tragedy occurred due to human stantial revenue and are neglecting failure, but what about the drivers their primary functions, I would say and firemen? The driver and firemen that this is very bad for the country have no fixed time for rest, no fixed and bad for the administration also. time for work, at times they are forced to work ten hours at a stretch. There is a very funny thing here, They live away from their families, about action taken, and this was live in the running rooms where con mentioned by a friend. ditions are not very satisfactory, I would say they are wretched. This There was an accident on the South human aspect is never taken into Eastern Railway. And, under the account. The drivers are exhausted column, ‘Action Taken’, it is written because of overwork, because of like this: ‘Driver was killed’. And fatigue. the hon Minister tried to explain it away as a mistake, a typing mistake. I would put it in a different way. But the little bit of knowledge of The drivers are exhausted, the tracks English I have never made me spel] 21 iy Motion re; AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2l i 0 Accidents [Shri Hem Barua] it out like that. How could that have action against them. I would request boon typed incorrectly? The driver ihe Minister to see that this fear is was not killed. He was not there. removed so that the truth may come He was dead. How could it be a typ out. ing mistake? You can correct it in any way; you can re-type it in any Towards the conclusion I would say way. You can do anything, I say. that the Administration must be alert; (Interruption). must try to avoid accidents, must take more vigorous remedial measures; May I say, what happened, indulg and whenever any complaints are ing in a personal matter? (Interrup made about defects or about short tion). My wife asked me, a little ages, the Administration must be idiotically of course, ‘Why is it that made to see that these defects or the driver was killed? Are not acci shortages are removed. dents an Act of God. Could not the Railway Administration find out some better action against the driver’? I would say another thing. The other day, a certain Member demand Now, I do not complain against the Railway Administration for subject ed the resignation of the Railway ing me to this tortuous questioning. Minister. I would not demand the But, I would say a hundred times that resignation of the Railway Minister this very fact epitomises the ineffi on the analogy of Shri Lai Bahadur ciency of the Railway Administration. Shastri. I have always thought that There is no doubt about it. (Inter Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri’s resigna ruption) . tion was more or less a politically chivalrous gesture. And, I do not want the present Railway Minister An Hon. Member: What did you to indulge in that sort of politically tell your wife? chivalrous gesture. He is a tall person; he has great capacity, he is Shri Hem Barua: I tried to explain capable of hard work. I only hope the thing. Einstein tried to explain and trust that Ik would be able to the theory of relativity to his wife; streamline his Administration instead and she told Pressmen that in spite of resigning. of the best efforts that her husband took, she could not be made to under stand the theory of relativity. But I have also felt that Sardar Similarly, in spite of my best efforts Swaran Singh is an unlucky man and I could not convey the mind of the my sympathies go to him. (Interrupt Railway Administration to my wife tion). He is unlucky because wherever because she is not as intelligent as he lays his fingers on the thing starts most of the Delhi women are. burning. And, that is why I have always felt like that. I would only Shri N. Sreekantan Nalr (Quilon): beg of him to infuse his strength, God save us from such wives! infuse his courage, infuse his vision into the Railway Administration. Shri Hem Barua: Accidents occur What has happened is a legacy of the and then enquiries are conducted. past because these accidents are not But, what about this enquiry? What accidents of today. There is a legacy about railwaymen giving evidence behind the accident; that legacy before the Enquiry Committee? There ought to be removed and a better is always a sort of concoction, a mis administration should be given to the representation of facts. Why is it? country so that the travelling public Because the railway employees who may feel a sense of security. are asked to give evidence before committees like that suffer from a Dr. K. L. Rao (Vijayawada): Mr. perpetual fear; and that fear is, Chairman, accidents are a natural 2121 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2i2i Railway Accident;; corollary to the adoption of increased avoid collisions. In Dumaraon the speeds in the modern world intro- accident could have been avoided if iucod by cars, locomotives and aero we had the track circuit sy em. The planes. Last year I saw in Tokyo, system consists in setting up n parallel ooarxLs put up at important places electrical circuit along the rails and showing the number of dead and when a train or wagon stands on rails injured daily so as to remind the there is short-circuit and a red light people ol the dangers of road traffic is shown up in the cabin room and and need for careful driving. Deaths in the room of the station master so of course occur due to the violation that they immediately know that the oi one’s own body’s system or due to track is occupied and nobody would ill-feelings that enter between people give a signal or clearance for that and due to carelessness but in the line. Of course one of the reasons train accidents, innocent people die generally aduced against this system for no fault of their own and that is that we are short of wooden gives us a sense of sorrow and resent sleepers because wooden sleepers are ment. Accidents could be reduced required wherever this system ii> by technical progress and by a pro introduced. But 1 understand that cess of increasing human efficiency. there are excellent species of wood, It should be our endeavour to discuss apart from sal, in Indian forests which constantly about these problems, not can supply the whole timber required only on occasions like this, but periodi for the sleepers in this country. Of cally so that if any bright ideas come course it is necessary that we should up, the hon. Minister can apply and have planned afforestation because the accidents may be averted. these wood require as mach as 70-100 years to grow before they could be used as sleepers. So, we should have A moving train has got a lot of planned afforestation for the sake of power. A moving train of a thousand railway sleepers so that the coming tons with forty miles speed has got generations do not abuse us that we power equal to two times the amount have been wasting the forest wealth of electrical power utilised by the without replenishing. Delhi Electric Supply system, when there was no shedding. Such a large amount of energy, if it is planned and Many hon. Members have referred utilised, can give good results but to the accidents and collisions at the spent in an unplanned way, it results un-manned gates. That is a very in destruction. Collisions take the difficult problem. There is no easy largest amount of human toll. There way of dealing with it. Of course, is no other way to avoid them except we c:.n provide over-bridges. That to introduce more mechanisation and should be our aim whenever the traffic more scientific methods of control and show u tendency to increase. Our avoid as far as possible human opera attention must immediately go tions. That is what is being done towards a progressive scheme of put in western countries. They are ting up over-bridges as far as possi making use of electronics and modern ble in these cases. At present, the science and these controls are operated authorities have got a tendency to by very few persons so that big mis enter into arguments about agree takes are not coming in. At this ments relating to sharing of costs and stage, I may say that accidents in all that. That should not be the aim. England and other countries are due There should be a liberal attitude in to different reasons, due to increased this respect. But at the moment, in speeds, fog and so on. That is entirely view of the large number of unman a different aspect. So, it should be ned gates that we have, I suggest that our aim to gradually introduce these we should have a combination of mechanical devices so as to reduce various devices which I submit below, human factors as far as possible to departments require specialised staff. 2i2$ Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 212A Accidents [Shri K. L. Rao] Firstly, these approach roads must ling. They are subject to these be undulated and, as my hon. friend various stresses and are one of the suggested, they must have islands on weak links. The best way to get over both sides so that the speed of traffic these defects is to replace the draw is reduced to a safe level. Secondly, bars often and as far as possible by the crew of the train must be asked careful management and by ensuring to give the whistle from a mile ahead. that one bar. after being used say, It may be a nuisance, but it does not for 100 or 200 times, is thrown away matter. Nuisance of this kind is much automatically. Thus, parting of the better than loss of lives. Thirdly, we trains can be avoided. must provide gates of such a design that they have got to be lifted up Then, the next point that I would but within a short interval of time like to submit is that statistical analy the gates come back to a closed posi sis may be made of the frequency of tion. In my humble opinion, if you derailments. We must know which design the gates properly it will be are the tracks that are very bad; for possible to do that. Lastly, we should examplet Bangalore-Arsikere, Gudur- provide a series of boards, not one Nellore, Mughalsarai-Gomoh and also, or two, but many so as to attract the [ think, Delhi-Agra where the traffic people’s eyes to the fact that there is is heavy and derailments often cause an unmanned gate ahead. For this, a large amount of damage. We have you may require the assistance of the to pay particular attention to such road authorities and the Railways lines so that the accidents due to track may have to contribute something. But defects may not occur in these the sign-boards that are put up must regions. be consficuous and attract the atten tion of the people. You must have There is one thing. In the Deccan a series of sign-boards. Thus, we plateau, there are a lot of streams require a combination or series of flashing across. They bring plenty of these various devices to avert colli water especially in the rainy season. sions at unmanned level-crossings. There is no use of being afraid of them. I think we are trying to show The other important reason which that we should enlarge the culverts causes a large amount of damage to and so on. That is not necessary. But life and property, is the derailment. what is required is, a very careful Derailment results either from the vigilance. A lot of vigilance is defect in rolling-stock or from a track required on the lines in Deccan defect. More often, it is because of plateau, in the rainy season, over the rolling-stock. Therefore, we should culverts and the bridges and the have excellent machine-shop factories embankments to ensure that there is That, I think, the railway adminis- ' no danger caused to the train. The tration can manage, by placing a little lack of vigilance, I think, is a contri more emphasis 011 the establishment butory cause to quite a large number of a large number of workshops and of accidents. expansion of these shops, and giving For all these things, research must all the facilities for the examination be made to which my hon. friend of the rolling-stock. Shri A. P. Jain has referred. Research is a very valuable asset and it is a One of the very important reasons great field which can be explored very for these unfortunate accidents is the well for finding solutions for the parting of trains due to failure of avoidance of the accidents. For draw-bars. The parting defect is due example, the relationship between to the failure of draw-bars. The speed, derailment and the turn-out is draw-bars are subject to a large still not known. If it is known, of amount of strain by pushing and pul course, we can always establish regu 2125 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2126 Railway Accidents lations by which this kind of derail go on continuously, so that results ment can be avoided. For example, may be available for later application. even if a train goes slowly on a curved track, there is possibility of derail All this requires very specialised ment. All these things can be sub staff. The design and development jected to experimental research tests departments require specialised staff. in a research laboratory. The rail The best engineers are recruited by ways have got an excellent research the railways through a competitive laboratory in Lucknow and what is system and you cannot say anything required is good coordination between against them. They are doing the laboratory and the design and wonderful work. They are experi development departments. The design enced in construction and mainten branches are located at Simla and ance work, but the fact that they they have got to be shifted to Luck have been drawn up early in their now. All these things put together career does not lead them to speciali will produce an excellent aid for the sation. Specialisation is the key to railway administration. the mastery of modern science. That is one of the aspects where we are There is one other matter in regard neglecting very badly in this country. to research which requires emphasis. Unless we realise that specialisation In this country we have been so far is very important, we would not be doing only model tests in the rail able to proceed. What is required is ways and other departments like irri specialisation in research. There gation and power. We do not have should be specialisation in embank full scale tests. Full scale test is a ment construction, bridges etc.; there recent technique. For example, in are so many branches which require Japan) I have seen quite a number of very specialised knowledge. For this, interesting experiments. They build we must build up a “Specialists” regular buildings and subject them to organisation. It may not be possible forces which are similar to earth to fit in the Specialist branch into the quakes, so that they may know the present railway administration. Then condition and behaviour of these a separate section may have to be buildings under actual earthquake ofganised. conditions Similarly, in Italy, I have There is one other aspect which I seen big structures—dams of 60 feet high—being subjected to actual con would like to mention. The hon. Minister is very amicable and recep ditions of forces. Therefore, in the railway research laboratory, they tive. He should examine whether the should establish full scale tests. For efficiency of the railways can be instance, they should push one wagon increased by increasing the number of zones. At the moment, the zones against another as in an accident are very vast and extensive. It is study how they telescope into o n ^ another, what kind of strengthening also necessary for us to look into the psychological aspect. We should have will prevent this telescoping, and so a psychological study of the staff at on, so that even if the damage occurs, at least human lives can be saved. various levels, because psychology plays a large part in the determina tion of the fatigue in the mind. A There are lots of interesting pro driver may be able to work for 8 blems connected with railway acci hours in a cool climate like England, dents which can be subjected to but he will not be able to work for research. It would be very useful to that time here. Therefore, a psycho establish basic research also in the logical sample survey or psychological universities. All that is required is analysis will be required in order to more financial aid. That is what is find out what are the regular number done in western countries. If that is of hours of work that can be given to done, research on basic problems will various members of the staff. 2127 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2128 Accidents [Dr. K. L. Rao] Finally, I would suggest that there Administration great success in their m a y b e a separate department for the endeavour. sjjTjty measures with entirely sepa rate staff, who would be stationed in Shri S. M. Banerjee: Mr Chairman, different places to look after various Sir, I have heard with rapt attention safety propaganda, which has got to the very educative spccch of our hon. be incessant. The safety propaganda Minister. Sir, I am thankful to him must not stop as soon as enquiry of for giving this House so much of an accident is over. Human memory material. But the more I was try ng is very short. As soon as an accident to analyse his speech the more I have occurs we all talk about it and after come to the conclusion that his con that the whole affairs is forgotten. In clusion was very sad, sad in the sense order to keep it always fresh and that if we have to believe his statement alive before us, it is very necessary or his specch we have also to believe to have an entire department devoted that railway travelling ultimately leads to safety measures. It should have one to the grave. The conclusion of a number of experienced people who his speech is very sad. To my mind, could go round and do propaganda not only among the railway staff but also he gave a caution tQ this House, to the among the public. That is more hon. Members and through them to the countrymen, that railway travelling important. The realisation by the public is of very great importance, ultimately leads one to the grave and because then they will be more care there is no escape from it, whether it ful and they will be able to lend a be in the United States of America or helping hand to the Railway Adminis in the United Kingdom or in any other tration to deal with the safety country. When he compared the death measures effectively. toll in those countries with that in our country and told us about the human failings and other failings, at least I Sir, I should like to pay a tribute thought that his conclusion was very to the Railway Administration. They, sad. have done wonderful work in the matter of dealing with accidents. Their reports are excellent. Their Sir, we cannot explain to the people, investigations have been masterly. who view all these accidents, these The way in which they have been tragedies with pity and terror, or going about with the accidents, in console those widows and orphans who finding out their causes and in making have lost their husbands and their a scientific analysis of them, has won parents, that there are valid reasons a great name for them in foreign for these accidents an it is beyond Lhc- countries. I hope by constant vigi control of the Railway Administration lance, discipline and technical pro to avoid them. The hon. Minister gave gress, the Indian Railway system shall many statistics. I have before me a earn the great distinction of over very elaborate statement which was coming this chronic train disease, given by his predecessor, Shri Jagjivan these unfortunate accidents. I only Ram, on 20th November, 1961 at the hope that ere long our people will time of the Ghatsila accident of the be able to forge ahead, find out the Ranchi Express. In analysing the various reasons and show how these causes of accidents, he gave valuable accidents can be avoided. Many figures. In 1957-58 the total number countries are looking to us, because of accidents was 9,011. In 1958-59 it of our vast railway system and the was 9,071, in 1959-60 it was 8,916 and difficult conditions under which they in 1960-61 it was 8,808. According to operate, for a solution of this very the hon. Minister, these are inclusive difficult problem, for the avoidance of of accidents which to a layman may not accidents, I wish the Railway appear to be accidents but which, ac 2129 Motion re: SRAVANA 25. 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2130 Railway Accidents cording to the railway terminology, for whom I have the greatest regard, are termed as accidents. Then he gave responsible. I am not suggesting for a gave another set of figures. In 1957-58 moment that he should resign. After number Killed 76, injured 475, total all, resignation is no solution to these 551. In 1958-59 number killed 44, in accidents. Resignation is purely an jured 357, total 401. In 1959-60 number optional matter. He may opt for re killed 3, injured 315, total 318. In signation or he mav stick to his job; 1960-61 number killed 26. injured 213, I do not mind it. But I have to state or total 239. express in this House the sentiments of those people in the country who are In reply to a question on the 7th being represented by me and by my August, 1962, which the hon. Minister other friends. There is a common feel has refered to while laying a state ing of insecurity in the country about ment on the Table which we are now railway travel. I am not creating a discussing, where we had asked for the fear psychosis or, I should say, a scare number of railway accidents that took in this House, or through this House in place between 23rd June and 5th the country. I am all for the good August, both dates inclusive, the functioning of the railways, for the reply was that the number is 181. Out efficient functioning of the railways of these 181 cases, 98 are still under and the punctual running of railway investigation and in the remaining 83 trains. But we have to remove the cases, the causes are: failure of rail fear in the minds of the peoDle. It is way staff 53, failure of other than rail true that, as my hon. friend Shri Dinen way staff 6, failure of mechanical Bhattacharya has stated, sometimes equipment 10, failure of track 7 and people do not now whether they will accidental 7. Then a detailed state reach their destination or not because ment is given ^about the casualties. there are accidents every day. I fully agree with the hon. Minister that there is a human element in these accidents, people should be more vigi In today’s papers there is mention of lant the administration should be gear an accident to a Deluxe train. Now ed up, there should be trafflc-cons- everybody wants to travel in a De ciousness in the people and the bus luxe train and that train has also and truck drivers should take note of started jumping the rails, I do not the unmanned level-crossings. Having know why. As a result of it, two considered all this, I want to put a persons were injured. I want to know question to the hon. Minister. Apart from the hon. Minister if there is fail from all these educative steps, what ure on the part of the staff why is not positive steps have been taken by the a meeting held, or a conference held, hon. Minister to check these accidents. with the representatives of the railway His predecessor, Shri Jagjivan Ram, men’s federations, whether they are has stated in this House: affiliated to INTUC or they are an in dependent federation. Why are they not “Th’s watchfulness was re taken *nto confidence? Why are they not warded .... as a result of which consulted? After all, these federations the number of accidents decreased. and unions include technicians, train This will be seen from the figures examiners, assistant station masters, given below.” signallers and all other categories of employees who are said to be respon If the accidents have actually de sible. I find from the statement that creased, how did they or why did they some of them are found to be respon suddenly increase? That is one of the sible. They may give valuable sugges factors which this House has to con tions. So, I am sure this would be ac sider and for which, unfortunately, T cepted by the hon. Minister. That will have to hold the hon. Railway Minister, help in checking theie accidents. 2 13 1 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway 2132 Accidents [Shri S. M. Banerjee] Then, is there any programme for to the grave and we will have to con changing the present cast iron wood sole ourselves, en sleepers by concrete spleepers? I was reading with great interest an article written by a French expert. He Then,'responsib;lity should be fixed is of the opinion that these reinforced on someone. I do not quarrel with concrete spleers can absorb shock. the words that have been used in the They are shock-absorbers and are statement that the driver has been better than the cast iron sleepers. He killed. I know, no action could be says that the wooden sleepers, of taken against the driver because he course, are supposed to be the best. was killed. It means that. But from But my information goes that we are the statement it appears that in two not getting the same type and quality cases the asfe:stant station masters have of wood which we were getting before. been charge-sheeted or removed from As such, I want to know whethed it is service. The assistant station master possible for us to start production of at a particular station has so maiiy concrete sleepers, if they are good. I duties to perform that sometimes it be have no technical knowledge. I am not comes difficult for him to perform all an expert. I am a layman. I am as those duties efficiently because of ignorant as the hon. Minister or his overwork. I am one with the hon. deputies are because we are just Member who spoke before me and said people’s representatives in this House. that overwork should be avoided; Of course, the hon. Minister knows whether it is a question of the engine better than I do. driver or of a fireman, or of an ass:s- tant station master, signaller or points Shri Shahnawaz Khan: You know man it should be avoided. more because you were in the railways. Then, responsibility should also be Shri S. M. Banerjee: You know fixed on the high officials: otherwise, if better than me. I am only suggesting a signaller or a pointsman is punished whether we could change over to or if a gangman or an assistant station these sleepers in a phased manner. master is served with a show-cause notice for removal from service. I Mv hon. friend, the late lamented Shri Feroze Gandhi, had been pleading know it is not go;ng to avoid railway in this House year after year—I have accidents. Unless somebody on the top, whether he is a member of the heard him with rapt attention and he Railway Board dealing with the en was supposed to be an expert on gineering section or he is responsible matters concerning the railways—for for maintenance or repair, or whether the introduction of the interlookng he is a General Manager of a particular system. The opinion of one of the railway zone where the accident has experts is that the Dumraon accident taken place, is pulled up and censured could have been avoided if there had for having more accidents in his re been this interlocking system. gion, nothing can happen by punishing Shri Shahnawaz Khan: It had the the small fries in the railways. No- Interlocking system. bodv is going to be shot or terrorised. But I would humbly submit that these are the suggestions which should be Shri S. M. Banerjee: T do not know considered favourably and sympathe whether it had interlocking. But if tically. even interlocking cannot avoid ac- dents, I think, nature is too cruel to us and nothing can be done. Again, I In regard to the unmanned level- repeat that that sad conclusion is right crossmgs, I was surprised to read the that railway traffic will ultimately lead statement placed on the Table of the 2133 Motion re: SRAVANA 25, 1884 (SAKA) Statement on 2134 Railway Accidents House today by the hon. Minister. He cidents have been happening daily at has stated in that statement that: these level-crossings, and yet nothing has been done, and the entire respon “There are about 19,000 unman sibility has been shifted to the State ned level crossings (excluding Governments. cattle crossings) on Indian Rail ways” . It is just like cases of theft or murder on the railways. The res Then, he goes on to say: ponsibility is shifted in those cases to “The Hon’ble Justice of the the State Governments on the ground Madras High Court, in a recent that it is a question of law and order, case of an accident at an unmanned and it is for the State Governments to level crossing, opined that it is take notice of those things. impossible to expect the Railways to provide for gates and gatemen M y suggestion is that at least the at every place where the railway important unmanned level-crossings line crosses a public highway and should be manned. If the railways the road users should also exercise have to spend some amount on this, sufficient caution at such crossings they should not hesitate to spend it, and I am sure that this House will to ensure safety.” surely sanction that amount, in the I do not now why Government are so larger interests of the country, and in rigid in following the decision of the the larger interests of the welfare of Madras High Court. Had it been a the people. The bus driver may do decision of the Madras High Court whatever he likes, and he will lose his in favour of a railway employee life if he does not take precautions, they would have appealed to the or action can be taken against him if Supreme Court, but because it suits there is a proper board at those level- them this time, therefore they are ad crossings. hering to it. Probably, they think that There is also another suggestion that the Madras High Court has expressed has been made, and that is that the such an opinion, and naturally there is train must whistle when it comes to no escape from it; that seems to have the level crossings. I cannot imagine become like the Law of Moses, some how a train can move on the level thing like a gospel truth, and nothing crossings without even giving a whistle. further can be done about it. They This morning, the Hon. Speaker was seem to feel that because a High Court in the Chair during the Question Judge has expressed such an opinion, Hour, and he was mentioning what therefore, nothing need be done, and was happening in foreign countries. As unmanned level-crossing will continue far as I remember—I speak subject to to be unmanned, no matter how many correction—he mentioned something men may die, and it would be none of about the whistling. There are nume their concern. This is a highly irres rous level-crossings which are unman ponsible state of affairs. ned, but at every level-crossing, the trail} must completely stop, whistle and 17 hrs. then only move. I fu lly agree with the suggestion The Deputy Minister in the Ministry made by Dr. K. L. Rao that if the un of Railways (Shri S. V. Ramaswamy): manned level-crossings cannot be man Not the train, but the bus or the truck ned, at least there should be some Shri S. M. Banerjee: The train boards at those crossings. There is not even a solitary instance where such a should stop and whistle. board has been placed even today, even Shri S. V. Ramaswamy: It cannot be after the Phulera accident and even the trai» which should stop. He was after the Andal accident. So many ac referring only to the bus or the truck. 1477 (Ai) L.S.D.—3. 2:35 Accidents 2136 Motion re: AUGUST 16, 1962 Statement on Railway Shri S. M. Banerjee: He said that 1 Railwaymen, who can give correct do not quite remember; anyway, it can advice and help on all these matters, be checked up from the records. and I hope, therefore, that this sug gestion and request will be taken into At least a board should be there at consideration. these level-crossings saying that the bus or the truck must stop. But at present, there is no board, and nothing Finally, in the name of those widows is written. And the whole thing has and in the name of those children who been left entirely to the State Govern have lost their parents, I would re ments. I am afraid that this battle quest the hon. Minister to consider this between the State Governments and matter in all its seriousness, and I am the Central Government will result in sure he will do it, but it should be done ■lore and more deaths only. I would immediately. What is happening in submit to the hon. Minister that this is America should not be quoted here, a very serious problem. In view of because there the provision for social the various accidents that have taken security is much more. If a man dies, place in the country at these level- his whole faimly is given family pen crossings, something will have to be sion for the entire period they live. done to prevent accidents at these But what has happened here? Tn the level crossings. case of the Mori accident, a paltry sum of Rs. 1000 or Rs. 2000 was given. What was the result? The old lady Lastly, I would request the hon. in Muradnagar is still weeping and Minister through you, Sir, that there going about with a begging bowl. should be consultations with the rail- There is nobody to help her in this waymen's unions and federations matter. When Shri M. A. Ayyangar was the Speaker of this House, he had put a I would request the Minister that he question to me once *Why should not should consider this matter in all the trade unions help?’ and I answered seriousness. We are all one with him him by saying 4We are ready to help in seeing that accidents are avoided, the Railway Administration and the beacuse accidents take place in this Railway Minister and his Deputies, pro country and there is a sense of in vided we are also consulted on these security which is not in the interest of matters, but the unions and the federa our advancement. I hope he will tions are never consulted on the ground kindly take note of this. that this is a highly technical matter.’ I am sure that there are employees and 17.06 hrs. there are representatives of the Rail- waymen’s federations, whether it be of The Lok Sabha then adjourned till the All India Railwaymen’s Federation Eleven of the Clock on Friday, August or the National Federation of Indian 17, 1962 /Sravana 26, 1884 ( Saka ). 2137 DAILY DIGEST 2138 [Thursday, August 16, 1962/Sarvana 25, 1884 (SAKA)] C olum ns C olum ns ORAL ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. 1877—1915 QUESTIONS— contd. S.Q. Subject S.Q. Subject No. No. 314 Production of cotton and 336 Purchase of rice from oilseeds . . . 1877—81 Burma .... 1924-25 315 Transfer of D.V.C. 337 Tips to hotel waiters . 1925 Headquarters. . . 1881—84 338 Drain No. 8 in Delhi . 1925-26 316 Manning of Railway Navigation in Ganges . 1927 level- crossings . . 1884-85 339 340 Incidence of lung 345 Unmanned Level Crossing 1885—92 cancer .... 1927 Encouragement to sports 317 34i Productiou of raw men among Railway em sugar .... 1928 ployees . . . 1892—95 342 Steam * travelling crane . ][928—30 3i 8 Railway accidents at Andal and Phulera . 1895— 97 343 Vacancies of engineers and tech nical staff on 319 Delhi Milk Supply Railways . . . 1930 Scheme . . 1897—1900 Indian doctors in U.K. 320 Marine borers and 344 1930-31 foulcrs in Hoogly . 1900—02 346 C.H.S. Scheme . . I93 i 321 C.H.S. dispensaries in 347 Import of Diesel Locomo Delhi .... 1902—05 tive s. . . . 1932 322 Power shortage in Andhra 348 Taxis and Auto rickshaws Pradesh . . . 1905-06 in Delhi . . . 1932 324 Food production . . 1907-08 349 Telephone rates . . 1932-33 325 Export of sugar to 350 Royal Nepal Airlines U.S.A...... 1908—11 Dakota . . . 1933-34 326 Family Planning . . 1911—14 351 Telephone Directory . 1934 328 Production of sugar . 1914-15 352 Vanamahotsava . . 1935-36 353 U.K.—India Liner Con S.N.Q. ference . . . 1936 No. U.S.Q. 3 Adulteration of pure Ghee 1915 — 19 No. Private Air Companies . WRITTEN ANSWERS TO 726 1936-37 727 Wagons for rice mill QUESTIONS 1919—2016 owners in Tanjore . 1938 S.Q. Subject 728 Development of fisheries 1938 No 729 Train accidents . . 1939-40 730 Telegraph link between 323 Bea9 Dam Project . 1921 Bikaner-Hanumangarh . 1940 327 Shortage of teleprinter 731 Quarters for P. & T. taps at Indore . 1919-20 Deptt. Bikaner . . 1940 329 Central Health Cadre . 1920-21 732 Development of fisheries 1940-41 330 Contamination of wheat. 1921 733 Cooperative Societies, Tri 33i Weather rockets . . 1921 pura .... 1941 332 Agricultural Schemes . 1922 734 Urban Water Supply Scheme in Tripura . 333 Railway line fromPathan- 1941-42 kot to Jammu . . 1922-23 735 Platforms and passenger sheds on E. Railway . 1942-43 334 Accident to Kalinga Airlines Dakota . . 1923 736 Rural Drinking Water Schemes in Punjab . 335 Railway Officers entitled 1943 for special carriages and 737 National Health Survey saloons . . . 1924 and Planning Committee 1943-44 2 139 [D a il y D ig e s t ] 2140 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS— contd. QUESTIONS— U.S.Q. Subject C olu m n s U.S.Q. Subject C olum ns No. No. 738 Supply of foodgrains to 771 Cure of mental illness deficit States . . 1944—46 by music . . . 1971 739 Brick kilns in Delhi . IS47 772 Delhi zoo . . . 1971-72 740 Movement of coal on 773 Water springs near Sundays and holidays . 1948 Barua Sagar, Jhansi . 1972 741 Cooperative Farming . 1948-49 774 Special stamps for Indian 742 Bridges proposed by Shipping . . . 1972-7 3 Kerala Government . 1949-50 775 Nitrogenous fertilizesr for 743 Minor Irrigation in Kerala 1950 Madras. . . . 1973 744 National Projects cons 776 Chalayudy bidge on truction Corporation . 1950-51 National Highway No. 74 1739 745 Community Development 1952-53 777 Neendakara Bridge on National Highway No. 47 1974 746 Air services to Kanpur . 1953 778 Export of fish products . 1974-75 747 Acreage under pepper cultivation . . . ]1953—55 779 Agricultural Production . 1975-76 748 Manufacture of spare 780 Fishing trawlers . . 1976 parts of Locomotives . 1955-56 781 Hotels and Motels around 749 Leave Reserve Cadre . 1956-57 Delhi .... 1976-77 750 Introducion of ‘Pay 782 National Institute of Slip' for Railway em Tropical Meteorology . 1977-78 ployees . . . 1957 783 Agricultural Education and 75i Railway employees at Research . . . 1978 Alipurduar and Siliguri 784 Food production in Junctions . . . v 1958 Andhra Pradesh . . 1978-79 752 Food position in Bihar . 1958-59 785 Conference of Agricul 753 Vana Mahotsava . . : £959—61 tural Division . . 1979 754 Difference in fare charged 786 Timber creating Plan by Private Companies in J. & K. . . . 1980 and Nationalised Railways 1961 787 Harnessing of Subar- 755 Workers of Hindustan narekka river. . . 1980 Shipyard . . . 1962 788 Class IV employees in 756 Thandava Reservoir in Khurda Division of Andhra Pradesh . . 1962-63 S.E. Railway . . . 1980-81 757 Godavari Anicut in 789 Road alignment in Andhra Pradesh . . 1963 Badagara Municipality . 1981 758 Guntakal canal . . 1963 790 Flamingoes . . . 1981-82 759 Production of cotton . 1964 791 Nagarjunasagar Project . 1982-83 760 Kapily Valley Hydro 792 Paediatric services. . 1983 electric Project . . 1964-65 793 Loktak lake in Manipur. 1983-84 761 New hospitals for Delhi 1965 794 Manipur State Transport 1984 762 New Railway lines in 795 Agricultural production . 1984-85 Assam . . . . 1965-66 796 C.H.S. Schcme . . 1985 763 Survey of Khetri Chirawa Railway line . . . 1966 797 Indian Council of Agri cultural Research . . 1985-8$ 764 Training in agriculture . 1966-67 798 Flood control in Punjab 1986-87 Locust control . . 1967-68 765 799 Yamuna Hydro-electric 766 Theft of telegraph wire. 1968 Project. . . . 1987-88 767 Heart disease . . 1968-69 800 Production and distribu 768 Railway accidents at tion of seeds . . 1988 level crossings . . 1969 801 Bridge near Satna Rail 769 Delhi Zoological Park . 1969-70 way Station . . . 1989 770 Contamination of water 802 Expansion of stations in at Okhla . . . 1970-71 Punjab .... 1989-90 2141 [D a il y D ig e s t ] 2142 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS— contd. QUESTIONS—contd. U.S.Q. Subject C olumns U.S.Q. Subject C olumns No. No. 833 Kanpur-Bombay National 803 Telephone Exchange, Highway . . . Anandpur . . . 1990 2012 834 Road bridge at Kalpi 804 Railway accidents . . 1991 Over Jamuna . . 2012-13 805 Iron and steel for Andhra 1991-92 835 Bridge over river Pahooj 2083 806 .Programme for coal 836 Circular Railways for movement . . . 1992 Bangalore city . . 2013-14 807 Shipping space for ex 837 Burglary in Post Office port of coir goods . 1992-93 at Ayyappankovil . . 2014 808 Power from D.V.C. . 1993 838 Removal of iron poles 809 Rectification of crane and wires . . . 2014-15 defect by foreman of 839 Dumroan rail accident. i 2015-16 Lucknow locoshed . 1994 810 Gravitation canals . . 1994-95 CALLING ATTENTION TO 811 Amount due to P. & T. 1195-96 MATTERS OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE .2016—25 812 Doctors and mirees in Tribal areas . . . 1996—98 (0 Shri Dinen Bhattacharya 813 New disease in North called the attention of the Kanara . . . 1997—99 Minister of Work, Housing and Supply to the House 814 Weekly Off for labourers of the Branch Office of in Bombay Port. . 1999—2000 Rehabilitation at Cal 815 Boycott of coal vessels cutta. by dock workers, Bombay 2001 The Deputy Minister of Works, 816 Toll at J. &. K. Highway 2001 Housing and Surply ('Shri 17 Durf'iiPiu Thermal S’ a- P. S. Naskar; made a *iarc- t.iou . . 2002-0} mc.nt in regard thereto. . isis Unitorm u»x on motor (»V) Shri Prakash Vir Shastxi * vehicles . . . 2003-04 called the attention of the 819 D.V.C. canal . . 2004 Minister of Home Affairs 820 National Shipping Board 2004-05 to the explosion near Red Fort, Delhi. 821 Anti-Cholera campaign in Delhi . . . 200^ The Minister of Home Affairs 822 Package Programme in (Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri) Cachar district . . 2005-06 made a statement in regard thereto . 823 Gas Turbine Plan at Namrup, Assam . . 2006-07 PAPERS LAID ON THE 824 Increase in foodgrain TABLE .... 2025 production . . . 2007 825 Calcutta-Assam Freighter (1) A copy of the Indian Tele Service . . . 2008 graph (Eighth Amendment) Rules, 1962 published in 826 Shipping space for tea Notification No. S. O. 2158 exports . . . 2008-09 dated the 14th July, 1962, 827 P.C.Os. in Punjab . 2009 under sub-section (5) of 828. Generation of power from section 7 of the Indian Chachai - and Purwa Telegraph Act, 1885. falls, Rewa . . . 2009-10 (2) A copy of Report of the 829 Rail communications in School Health Committee Aboriginal areas and (Part I). non-aboriginal areas . 2010 830 Autonomous Corporation REPORT OF COMMITTEE for Railways . . 2010-11 ON PRIVATE MEMBERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS 831 Road accidents in Delhi 2011 PRESENTED .... 3025 832 Railway Accidents En- ' quiry Committee . . 2011-1* Fifth Report was presented. 2143 [D a il y D ig e s t ] 2144 REPORT OF BUSINESS MOTION RE : STATEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON RAILWAY ACCI ADOPTED . . . 2025—27 DENTS .... 2068- ■2136 Fourth Report was adopted. The Minister of Railways (Shri Swaran Singh) moved the MOTION RE : REPORT OF motion re : Statement on UNION PUBLIC SERVICE Railway accidents laid on COMMISSION . . . 2027—55, the Table on 9-8-62. The discussion was not concluded. Further discussion on the 2047—68 motion re : Report of Union AGENDA FOR FRIDAY, Public Service Commission AUGUST 17, 1962/SRAVANA moved on 14-8-62 continued. 26, 1884 (SAKA) The Minister of State in the Ministry of Home Affairs Further discussion on the motion * (Shri Datar) replied to the re : Statement on Railway debate, and the motion accidents ; and considera was adopted. tion of Private Members’ Bills. GMGIFND—LS II—1477 (Ai) LS—5- 9 -* 2—900 .