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.James H. Riggs, to be postmaster at O'Neill, in the county of Holt Second Lieut. C. ~Iarr3St Perkins, United s·tates Marine Corps, to and State of Nebraska, in place of Edwin Hershiser, resigned. be a first lieutenant in the Marine Corps. John G. Jewett, to be postmaster at Laconia, in the county of Bel Maj. :UcLane Tilton, United States Marine Corps, to be a lieuten knap andStateof New Hampshire, in the place of Nathaniel J. Edgerly, ant colonelin the Marine Corps. whose commission expired February 22, 1891. Capt. Percival C. Pope, United States Marine Corps, to be a major John Harvey, to be postmaster at Irvington, in the county of 'Vest in the Marine Corps. chester and State of New York, in the place of Samuel T. Kilpatrick, First Lieut. Benjamin R. Russell, United States :tlfarine Corps, to be removed. a captain in the Marine Corps. Francis N. Mann, to be postmaster at Troy, in the county of Rens Second Lieut. Thomas C. Prince, United States Marine Corps, to be selaer and State of New York, in the place of James F. Ashley, de a first lieutenant in the Marine Corps. ceased. Lieut. Charles C. Rogers, junior grade, to be a lieutenant in the Navy. Charles L. Dirlam, to be postmaster at Clyde, in the county of San Ensign Harry S. Chase, to be a lieutenant, junior grade. dusky and State of Ohio, in the place of Lewis Hock, whose commis Ensign John Hood, to be a lieutenant, junior grade, in the Navy. sion expires March 3, 1891. ENVOY EXTRAORDINARY AND 1\IINISTER PLENIPOTENTIARY. l\'larquis D. Townsend, to be postmaster at Conneaut, in the ~ounty of Ashtabula and State of Ohio, in the place of Stephen B. Atwood, Henry ,V, Blair, of New Hampshire, to be en>oy extmordinary and , "'.hose commission expired February 14, 1891. minister plenipotentiary of the United States at China. Benjamin F. Mann, to be postmaster at Bedford, in the county of UNITED STATES CONSULS. Bedford, and State of Pennsylvania., in the place of George A. Rush, EU.round Shaw, of Indian Territory, to be consul at Asuncion. whose commission expired February 26, 189L J . A. Anderson, of Kansas, to be consul at. Cairo. John A. Nash, to be postmaster at Jfuntingdon, in the county of Henry M. Hard, of New York, to be consul at Clifton, Ont-ario. Huntingdon, and State of Pennsy1 van fa, in the place of SamuelE. :Flem James V. Long, of Pennsylvania, to be consul at Florence. ing, whose commission expires February 28, 18D1. Selah :M:errill, of Massachusetts, to be consul at Jerusalem. Calvin G. Smith,-to be postmaster at Wrightsville, in the county of Philip C. Hanna, to 1.Je consul at La Guayra. York, and State of Pennsylvania; the appointment of a postmaster for William S. Stanley, of Wisconsin, to be consul at Picton, Nova the said office having, by law, become vested in the President on and Scotia. after January 1, 1891. Samuel H. M. Byers, of Iowa, to be consul at St. Gall. Samuel H. Cross, to be postmaster at Westerly, in the county of Albert Neil, of Calais, Me., to be consul at St. Stephen, New Bruns Washington, and State of Rhode Island, in the place of Frank E. Rich, wick. whose commission expired February 26, 1891. ,V, ,V, Apperson, of Kansas, to be consul at Vera Cruz. Marion F. Campbell, to be postmaster at Beaufort, in the county of l\IINISTER RESIDENT AND CONSUL GENERAL. Beaufort and State of South Carolina, in the place of Nathaniel Brady, whose commission expired February 26, 1891. Truxton Beale, of California, to be minister resident and consul gen Charles B. McDonald, to be postmaster at De Smet, in the county of eral of the United States to Persia. Kingsbury and State of South Dakota, in the place of Ambrose W. Mul- POSTMASTERS. len, removed. • Wilson A. Bartlett, to be postm:a.ster at Stoneham, Mass. • George B. Blake, to be postmaster at Swanton, in the county of Theron H. Chesley, to be postmaster at Kewanee, Ill. Franklin and State of Vermont, in the place of Charles II. Reynolds, William M. Haney, to be postmaster at Bellevue, Iowa. whoso commission expired Febr~ry 26, 1891. Jesse S. Carpenter, -to be postmaster at St. Mary's, Kans. James ~1. McL:rnghlfo, to be postmaster at Lynchburgh, in the Houston G. Co1son, to be postmaster at Middleborough, Ky. county of Campbell and State of Virginia, in the place of Tipton D. F. Edwin Dwinal, to be postmaster at Mechanic Falls, Me. .Jennings, whose commission expired January 20, 1891. . Cyrus Knox, to be postmaster at Palmer, Mass. William C. Kenedy, to be postmaster at Palouse, in the county of C. W. Bennett, to be postmaster at Quincy, Mich. W.hi tman and State of Washington, in the place of Thomas Smith, re John B. Gorton, to be postmaster at Crawford, Nebr. signed. James H. Riggs, to be postmaster at O'Neil, Nebr. 1UINISTER .RESIDENT AND CONSUL GENERAL. John J. Jewett, to be postmaster at Laconia, .N. H. Truxton Beale, of Galifornia, to be minister resident and consul John Harney, to be postmaster at Irvington, N. Y. general of the United States to Persia, 'Vice E. Spencer Pratt, recalled. Francis N. Mann, to be postmaster at Troy, N. Y. Charles L. Dirlam, to be postmaster at Clyde, Ohio. E~VOY EXTRAORDINARY AND l\[JNISTER PLENIPOTENTIARY. Samuel H. Cross, to be postmaster at Westerly, R. I. Henry W. Blair, of New IIampshire, to be envoy extra.ordinary and :Marquis D. Townsend, to be postmaster at Conneaut, Ohio. minister plenipotentiary of the United States to China, vice Charles George B. Blake, to be postmaster at Swanton, Vt. Denby, resigned. William C. Kenedy, to be postmaster at Palouse, Wash. LIEUT EN ANT OF INFANTRY. John B. Collins, to be postmnster at Mount Holly, in the county of James H. McBlair, formerly a first lieutenant in the Fifteenth In Burlington and State of New Jffi'sey. fantry, to be first lieutenant of infantry, to rank from May 14, 1861. Richard Jobes, to be postmaster at Suffield, in the county of Hart ford and State of Connecticut. CONFIRMATIONS. Executive 1wrninations confirmed by the Senate February 27, 1891. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. INTERSTATE COMMERCE CO:\Il\llSSIONER. Martin A. Knapp, of New York, to be an Interstate Commerce Com FRIDAY, February 21, 18!Jl. missioner. The House met at 10 o'clock a. m. Prayer by Rev. GEORGE ELLI COLLECTOR OF CUSTOl\IS. OTT, of Washington, D. C. Nelson E. Nelson, of North Dakota, to be collector of customs for The Clerk proceeded to read the Journal of yesterday. the district of North Dakota and South Dakota, in the States of North Ur. SPRINGER. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to dis D~kota and South Dakota. pense with the reading of the remainder of the Journal, and that it be APPOINTMENT IN THE ARMY. approved. John H. McBlair, to be a first lieutenant of infantry. The SPEAKER. Is there objection? There was no objection/' PROMOTIONS L~ Til.E NA VY. DEFICIENCY APPROPRIATION BILL. Lieut. John T. Newton, junior grade, to be a lieutenant in the Navy. The SPEAKER. The Chair desires to call the attention of the Honse Ensign Le Roy M. Garrett, to be a lieutenant, junior grade. to the following communication from the Clerk of the House, which Ensign John H. Shipley, to be a lieutenant, junior grade, in the explains itself. Navy. The Clerk read as follows: Medical Inspector Grove S. Beardsley, to be a medical director in 0LE RK1S OFFICE, IIOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, . the Navy. Washington, D. 0., FtbruaTJJ 21, 189L Sorg. Edward Kershner, to be a medical inspector in the Navy. Sm: In the deficiency bill passed Inst night the total, on page 62, of $857,48-1.37 Passed Asst. Surg. David 0. Lewis, to be a surgeon. should be changed to ~2,276.74. Maj. James Forney, United States Marine Corps, to be a lieutenant This change is required because of the action of the House in striking out two clauses of appropriation!! on page 56. There was an omission to change colonel in the Marine Corps. the total to correspond with this action. Capt. Henry A. Bartlett, United States Marine Corps, to be a. major Very respectfully, in the Marine Corps. EDWD. McPHERSON, Clerk House of Representatives. First Lieut. Richard Wallach, United States Marine Corps, to be a Hon. TIIOMAS B. REED, captain in the Marine Corps. Speaker of the House of Representatives United Stales. 3464 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, J The SPEAKER. If there be no objection, this correction will be last section of the bill, to which the gent1eman from Kentucky refers, made. if be will examine it, will be found to relate only to those cases in which Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. · It ought to be done. there are exces'ses of land in fractional townships, in which case indem Mr. SPHINGER. I hope there will be no objection to that. nity is given by this section for a proper proportion of the fractional The SPEAKER. In the absence of objection, the Clerk will be di township. • I I rected to make the proper change. The bill simply covers that condition which has been found to·exist ; There was no objection,and it was so ordered. in the Department by which certain of the States or Territories suffer L~DS FOR EDuCATIONAL PURPOSES. the loss of these lands which happen to be in fractional townships and where no adequate provision for indemnity selection is made in their Ur. TO \VNSE.....~D, of Colomdo. Mr. Speaker. I ask unanimous con stead. This bill makes an addition to the present law by providing .sent for the present consideration of the bill (S. 1395) to amend sec that if public lands, reserved or pledged for the use of schools or col tions 2275 anil 2276 of the Revised Statutes of the United States,pro leges, etc., and including sections 16 and 36, have been taken or pre viding for ·the selection of lands for educational purposes in lieu of empted by homestead settlers, other lands of equal acreage are granted, those appropriated for other purposes. and may be selected in their stead. The bill was read, as follows: By examining the last section of the bill it will be seen that in ca'>es Be it enacled, etc., That sections 2':l75 unu 2276 of foe Revised Statutes of the United States be amended lo read as follows: of fractional townships containing an excess of land ahove the usual "'SEC. 2!!75. 'Vhere settlements with a view to pre-emption or homestead have statutory acreage the school fund shall have its proportion of such been, or 1:1hall hereafter be made, before the survey of the lands in the field, excess of acreage. which are found to have been made on sections 16 or 36, those sections shall be subject to tho claims of such settlers; anc.l if such sections, or either of them, Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Why is this? have bee11 or sliall be granted, reserved, or pledged for the use of schools or col :Mr. PAYSON. The object is to compensate for deficiencies of school leges in the State or Territory in which U1ey lie, ot.her lands of equal acreage lands in fractional townships. It will be seen that the bill simply are hereby appropriated and granted, and may be selected by said ~tate or Ter ritory, in lieu of such as may be thus taken by pre-emption or homestead set provides that if there shall be an excess of land in a township above tlers. And other lands of equal acreage arc also hereby appropriated anc.l thirty-six sections, the same proportion of the excess shall be given to granted, and may b•} selected by said State or Territory where sections 16 or 36 the school fund as it had in the usual township. If tbe gentleman are mineral land, or are included within any Indian, military, or other rescrva· tion, or are otherwise disposed of l>y the United States: Provided, 'Vhere any from Kentucky will examine the section, which I will send to him State is entitled to said sections 16 and 36, or where said sections are reserved while the report is being read, he will sec at a glance the propriety of to any Territory, notwithstanding the same may be mineral land or embraced the provision. within a. military, Indian, or other reservation, the se'ection of such lands in lieu tbe1eof by said State or Territory shall bea waiver of its right to said sec Mr. ROGERS. Let me ask the gentleman from Illinois whether tions. And other lands of equal acreage are also llereby appropriated and this is one of the bills now on the Speaker's table? granted, and may be selected by said 8tate or Territory to compensate defici Mr. PAYSON. No, sir; this is not on the Speaker's table. encies for school purposes, where sections 16 or 36 are fractional in quantity, or where one or both are wanting by re.ason .of the township being fractional, or Ur. ROGERS. Does not it occur to the gentleman that the proper from any natural cause wha.t£•ver." Anc.l it shall bo the duty of the Secretary bills to be laid before the House at this hour are the bills from the of the Interior, without awaiting the extension of the public surveys, to ascer Senate on the Speaker's table? tain and determine, by protraction or otherwise, the number of townships that will be included within such Indian, military, or other reservations, and there Mr. PAYSON. This is a bill, I will state to tho gentleman, which upon the Slate or Territory sliall be entitled to select indemnity lands to tho it occurs to me ou,ght to be laid before the House and passed, because extent ofl'two sections for each of said townships, in lieu of sections 16 and 36 of its importance, without considering the method by which it is pre therein; but such selections may not be made within the boundaries of said reservations: Pro,;ided, however, That nothing herein contained shall prevent sented for consideration. any State or Territory from a.waiting the extinguishment of any such military, The SPEAKER. The Chair ought to say, in response to the sugges Indian, or other reservation and the restoration of the lands therein em braced tion of the gentleman from Arkansas, as to why the bills on the Speak to the public domain and tlieu taking the sections 16 and 30 in place therein; but nothing in this proviso shall be constirued as conferring any riglit not now er's table are not laid before the House, that they would not be in or existing. der, and nothing would be in order except by unanimons consent. "8Eo. 2276. That the lands appropriated by the preceding section shall be. se Mr. ROGERS. I am aware of that; but if the Speaker is going to lected from any unappropriated surveyed public lands, not mineral in charac· ler; within the State or Territory where such losses or deficiencies of school pursue this policy, it would seem that he should recognize gentlemen sections occur; and where the selections are to compensate for deficiencies of who are interested in those matters on the Speaker's table, which can school lands in fractional townships, such selections shall be made in accord be thus Gompletecl as legislative enactments. ance with the following principles of adjustment, to wit: For each township, or fractional town~hip, containing a. greater quantity of land than three-quar '£he SPEAKER. The Chair is not pursuing any policy, but has been ters of n.n entire township, one sec~ion; for I\ fractional township, containing simply recognizing gentlemen to ask for unanimous consent, a pro a greater quantity of land than one-half, and not more than three-qu1uters of a. ceeding which can be stopped by the objection of any member at any township, three-quarters of a section; for a fractional township, containing a greater quantity of land than one-quarter, and not more than one-half of a time. township, one-half section; and for a fractional township, containing a greater Mr. ROGERS. That of course is ::t matter that every member ought quantity of land than one entire section, and not more than one-quarter of a to know by the time he comes here. township, one-quarter section of land: Provided, That the States or Territories which are or shall be entitled to both the sixteenth and thirty-sixth sections in The SPEAKER. Members, if they know it, ought to regulate their place, shall have the riglit to select double the amounts named, to compensate conversation so as to indicate that knowledge. for deficiencies of school land in fractional townships." Mr ROGERS. Yes; sir; my conversation I regulate to suit myself The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the present consideration of just as the Speaker does his. this bill? '£he SPEAKER. I should say so. Mr. ROGERS. I reserve the right to make objection for the pur- Mr. ROGERS. Now, I have only this to say in that regard. I do pose of getting an explanation of this bill. · not care whether you call it a policy or not. I speak of these recog The SPEAKER. The Chair will st!l.te that there is an amendment nitions. It occurs to me that we have a rule requiring these bills on proposed by the committee, which the Clerk will read. the Speaker's table to be laid before the llouse. It has not been done The Clerk read as follows: and it ought to be done. · Amend the bill on page 3, line 4.7, by striking out ... tliirty " and inserting The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman c:tll for the regular order? "thirty-six;" so as to read, "sections 16 and 86." Mr. ROGERS. I do not. Mr. ROGERS. This bill ought to be explained before action is ta.ken Mr. PAYSON. ?!fr. Speaker, will the gentleman from Arkansas give upon it. It is a character of hill that ou~ht not to be disposed of in this me bis attention for a single moment? This bill is of great importance rua,nner at any time, I think; bnt I will reserve the right to object to the people of the public-land States of the Northwest. It has been until I know what t.he bill means. asked for, as I have said, by the Secretary of the Interior and the Com Mr. BRECKINHIDGE, of Kentucky. I could not gather from the missioner of the General Land Office for several years. While some reading of the bill, especially the last section, exactly what it contem what voluminous in its details, there really is no change of existing plates. This section seems to give double the quantity of land for law except in one particular, and that is that it gives to the school fund educational purposes that is given by the existing law. If that be the of the different States and Territories an increase in the land allotted case those townships which only receive under the present law would for tbat purpose in case of reservations made by Congress for schools feel justly aggrieved by the passage of a measure of this kind which or colleges; that is, general grants of land for schools and colleges and gives in certain cases ~louble the quantity. other similar reservations. Then there is one other amendment in the M:r. PAYSON. If the gentleman from Kentucky will give me his bill which provides that the selections of land which may be lost to the attention a moment I will explain that question fully. I will call bis school fund may be made in any portion of the State where agricultural attention to the fact that the section to which he refers does not con land may be found, instead of in each land district as now. With template the granting ofa double quantityofl::md for educational pur these two exceptions there is no substantial change of existing law, poses. except a modification of the administration· of affairs in the General This bill, Mr. Speaker, is unanimously reported from the Committee Land Office. on the Public Lands, and is reported pursuant to recommendations of Mr. ROGERS. If I understand this, it gives double the quantity the Secretary of the Interior and the Com missioner of the General Land of land, twice as much as any other State gets. Office. The report in connection with the bill is quite brief, and will 1'1r. PAYSON. Ob, not at all. There is no change in existing law perhaps convey more succinctly than I can, in a hurried extempora as to that. Some States in the Union only got the sixteenth section neous statement, exactJy what the bill, as a whole, provides, and I ask out of every township and some got the sixteenth and thirty-sixth. that it be read, supplementing the request by the statement that the l\lr. lWGERS. My understanding is that the other States got only 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3465
the sixteenth section, while this carries the sixteenth and thirty school section or its equivalent area.. The United States Supreme Court has held (102 U.S. R., p.167) that the policy of Congress was not to grant mineral second. lands to the States. and that such mineral sections did not pass under the grant. Mr. PAYSON. Not at all. The ~entleman does not understand. But the United States in retainingowuership of these mineral sections and dis . Ile has an erroneous idea. There is no change of the general provisions posing of the same under the mineral law receives a. revenue therefrom, and the school grant is pro tanto diminished. Recognition of the right to indemnity ~f as to the allowance of sections to one State or another. Existing law I for mineral school sections does not, therefore, add an acre to such grant, a.s remains exactly as it is as to that allotment. In the earlier legisla-i the United States retain the mineral sections and dispose of the same under the tion the States received only the sixteenth section in each township as mineral law. The limitation of the indemnity selection within the same land district i11 removed because now destructive of the school grant in those dis school land; later, in a broader idea of aid to popular education, we tricts where by large don11.tions to railroads or rapid settlement of the country gave the sixteenth and thirty-sixth sections. The general law is not the area of the public lands remaining is diminished in quantity and value. changed by this bill at all. The bill as now framed will cnre all inequalities in legislation; place the States and Territories in a position where t.he school grant can be applied to good Now, sir, this is a matter of great public concern, and if the gentle lands, and largest measure of benefit to the school funds be thereby secured. man asks me whether I think this is a bill that should be laid before The committee therefore recommend the passage of the bill. the House now in place of those on the Speaker's table, after a some what familiar acquaintance with the bills on the Speaker's table, I DEPARTlfENT OF THE INTERIOR, think this bill is of more importance to the people of the Northwest . Washington, D. C., Febrwlry 12, 1890. Sm: I trnn~mit herewith copy of report from the Commissioner of the Gen than all the bills on the Speaker's table put together. I say that with eral Land Office on Senl\te bill 1395, "to a.mend sections 2'!75 and 2276 of the some intimate acquaintance upon that subject. And so it should be Revised Statutes of the United States." I concur in the views of the Commis considered now. I think if the gentleman from Arkansas [.Mr. ROG sioner, and recommend passage of the bill. Very respectfully, ERS] will look into the details of the bill he will not only interpose no JOHN W. NOBLE, Secretary. o~iection to acting upon it now, but he will be one of the earnest sup Hon. P. n. PLUMB, porters of the bill. That is all I care to say. Chairman Commilfee on. Public Laiids, United Slates Senate. The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the present consideration of DZPAltT:llENT OF TIIE INTERIOR, GE?nmAL LAND OFFICE, the bill? [After a pause.] The Chair hears none. ~ Washington, D. C., February 1, 1890. Mr. HOLMAN. Well, Mr. Speaker, in the confusion the title of the SIR: I hnve the honor to acknowledge receipt, under date of January 28, bill was not even understood. 1890, by reference from you, for report thereon, of Senate blll No. 1395, "to amend sections 2275 and 2276 of the Revised Statutes or the United States." The SPEAKER. The bill has been read and an explanation bas This bill is substantially a re-enactment of sections 2275 and 2276, Revised Stat been made. utes, with additions thereto as follows: Mr. HOLMAN. That may be true. Section ~275, Revised Statutes, provides that "where settlements, with a view to pre-emption, have been ma.de before the survey of the lands in the field, which The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman insist upon his objection? arc found to have been made on seclions 16 or 36, those sections sha.11 be sub Mr. HC>LUAN. I wish to hear the title read. ject to the pre-emption claim of such settler," and the State may select indem· The SPEAKER. The gentleman objects. nity therefor. etc. The bill provides that " where settlements with a view to pre-emption or Mr. HOLMAN. No, sir; I simply ask for the reading of the title. home
military, or other ~escn·ntion, without waiting for survey; and, second, by al shall act ns chairman) by the President, one by the chief of the nation to which lowing &elections to be made in lieu thereof withoutiega.rd to the question of said occupnnt belongs. and one by said railroad company, who, before enter• contiguity. ing upon the duties of their appointment, shall take and subscribe, before a dis lam of the opinion it will simplit'y and facilitate the adjustment of the school trict judge, clerk: of a district court, er United States commissioner, an oath that grant in accordn.n ce with its intent and purpose, and I therefore recommend the they will faithfully and impartia.Uy discharge the duties of their appointment, pass:1A"e of the bill. which oa.tb, duly certified, shall be returned with theirawartl to and filed with I also transmit herewith copy or report from the Commissioner of the Gen the Secretary of the Interior, within sixty days from the completion thereof; eral Land Office, dnted February 7, 1890, on Senate bill 13~, in which I con a.nu a majority of said referees shall be competent to act in case of the absence curred by letter of February 12, ultimo, transmitting the same to the chairman of a member, after due notice. And upon the failure of either party to make of the Commlttee on Pu1'lic Lands, United States Senate. such appointment within thirty days n.fter the appointment made by th.e Pres Very respectfully~ ident, the vacancy shall be filled by the district judge of the court held at Mus .TOUN W. NOBLE, Sccretar1J. cogee, Ind. Ter., upon the application of the other party. The chairman or Hon. H. M. TELLEil, said board shall appoint the time and place for all hearings,within the nation to UnitedBtates Senate. which such occupant belongs. Each of said referees shall receive for his services the sum of $4 per day for each day they are engaged in the trial of any case submitted to them under this DEI'All.T:MEXT OF TIIE IN"TEil.IOU, GE!lEil..AL L.U."'D OFFICE, a.ct, with mileage at 5 cents per mile. 'Vitnesses shall receive the usual fees Washington, D. C., Febri,ary 26, 1890. allowed by the courts of said ua.tions. Costs, including compensation of the SIR: I run in receipt byreferencefrom you of a letter from Ilon. H. :M. TELLER, referees, shall be ma.de apart of the award, and be paid by such railroad com United States Senator, dated the 12th instant, inclosing a copy of Senate bill pany. In case the referees can not agree, t.hen any two of them arc authorized 1395, "to amend sections 2275 and 2276 of the Revised Statutes of the United to make the award. Either party being dissatisfied with the finding of the States," and requesting the >iewsof the Department upon a proposed amend· referees shall have the right, within ninety days ail.er the making of the award ment thereto by inserting attbe end of line 27 the words: and notice of the same, to appeal by origir.al petition to the district court held ''Am.I it shall be the duty of the Secretary of the Interior, without awaiting at 1\Iuscogee, Ind. Ter., which court shall havo jurisdiction to hear and de the extension oft.he public surveys, to ascertain and determine, by protraction termine the subject-matter of said petition, according to the laws of the said or otherwise, the number of townships that will be included within such In· State provided for determining the damage when property is taken for railroad dian, military, or other reservations, and thereupon the State or Territory shall purpose~. If upon the hearing of said appeal the judgment of the court shall be entitled to select indemnity lnnds to the extent of two sections for each of be for a larger sum than the award of the referees, the cost of said appeal shall said townships, in lieu of sections 16 and 36 therein; but such selections may be adjudged against the railway company. If the judgment of the court shall not be be made within the boundn.rics of said reservations." be for the same sum as theawardofthereferees, then the costs shall be adjudged 8eua.te bill No. 4.23, "to enable the State of Colorado to select indemnity against the appellant. If tbe judgment of the court slrn.11 be for a smaller sum achoollantls," which passed both Houses of the Fiftieth Congress, but failed to than the award of the referees, then the costs shall bo adjudged ago.inst the receive the si~atnre of the President, contained a similar provisic,n in section party claiming damages. 'When proceedings have been commenced in court, · 4. Tbatbill, however, applied to Colorado alone, while Senate bill No. 139:3, the railway company shall pay double the amount of the award into court to which it is proposed to nmend, is general iu its terms. abide the judgment thereof, and then havetqe right to enter upon the property 8enute bill No. 1395, proposing certain amendments to sections 2'.li5 and 2'.l"i6, sought to be condemned and proceed with the construction of the railroad. United States Revised Statutes, was the subject of my report of 'ith February SEO. 4. That said railroad company shall not charge the inhabitants of said la.st, copy herewith. It is now proposed to make an additional amendment to Tenitory a greater rate of freight than the rate authorized by the laws of the said section 2275, not heretofore incorporated in the bill, and of course not con State of Arkansas for services or transportation of the same kind: Provided, sidered in that report, by inserting words as above stated. That passenger rates on said railway shall not exceed 3 cents per mile. Con Under the law as construed by the Department the State or Territory is en gress hereby reserves the right to regulate the charges for freight and passen· titled in such case to indemnity for lands granted for schools in sections 16 and gers on said railway and messages on said telegraph and telephone lines until 36, embraced in permanent reservations, and the purpose of the proposed legis a State government or governments shall exist in said Territory within the lation is to enable the proper selection of indem.nity to be ma.de at once, while limits of which said railway, or a part thereof, shall be locnted; and then such good lands can be found for selections before the time, more or less distant, State government or governments shall be authorized to fix and regulate tho when actual surreys of the reservations will be made, and when it is a matter cost of transportation of p(:lrsons and freights within their respective limits by of course thnt the good lands will be generally appropriated for other purposes said railway; but Congress expressly reserves the right to fix and regulate at under existing laws. all times the cost of such transportation by said railway or said company when J ar.n of opinion that the amount due to the schools as indemnity under the ever such transportation shall extend from one State into another. or shall ex general principles of the bill may be ascertained with sufficient accuracy in tho tend into more than one State: Provided, however, That the rate of such trans way contemplated in tbe proposed amendment, and I see no good reason why portation of passengers, local or interstate, shall not exceed the rnte above ex it 11liould not be adopted. pressed: And provided further, That said railway company shall carry the mail 'The letter from Senator TELLEn, together wilh its inclosures, are herewith at such prices as Congress may by law provide; and until such rate is fixed by returned. law the Postmaster-General mn.y fix the rate of compensation. Yery respectfully, S.Eo. 5. That said railway company shall pay to the Secretary of the Interior, LEWIS A. GROFF, Commissioner. fort.he benefit of the particular nations or tribes through whose lands said line Hon . .Torr:-. W. NOBLE, mlly be located, the sum of $.30, in addition to compensation provided for in Secretary of thi!- Interior. thi~ act for property ta.ken and damages done to individual occupants by the construction of the railway, for each mile of railway that it may construct in ORDER OF IlUSI5ESS. said Territory, said payments to be made in installments of lf5CO as each 10 :Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a ques· miles of road is graded: Provided, That if the general council of either of the nations or tribes through whose lands said rail way may be located shall, within tion oforder. Those of us who are sitting down and have no hope ofrec four months after the filing of maps of definite location, as set forth in section ognition ean not hear what is proceeding, on account of those standing 6 of th ls act, dissent from the allowance herein before provided for, and shall near the Speaker's desk. certify tho same to the Secretary of the Interior, then Rll compensation to be paid to such dissenting nation or tribe under the provisions of this act shall be The SPEAKER. Will gentlemen have the kindness to take their <.letermin~d as provided in section 3 for the determination of the compensation sel!-ts, so that those indicated by the ~entleman from Kentucky may to be paid to the individual occupant of lands, with the right of appeal to the have the satisfaction of knowing what is going on, at least? [Laugh courts upon the 11a.me terms, conditions, and requirements as therein provided: Proi•ided further, That the amount a.warded or adjudged to be paid by said rnil ter.] wny company for said dissenting nation or tribe shall be in lieu of the compen FORT GIBSO:N TAIILEQUAII AND GREAT NOil.Til.EASTERN RAIL,YAY sation that said nation or tribe would be entitled to receive under the foregoing 1 provision. Said company shall also pay, so long as said Territory is owned and CO::UPANY. occupied by the Indians, to the Secretary of the Interior the sum o!S15 per an l\'Cr. PEEL. I ask unanimous consent for the consideration of the num for each mile of railway it shall construct in the said Territory. The money paid to the Secretary of the Interior under the provisions of this bill (H. R. 12993) t;o authorize the Fort Gibson, Tahlequah and Great act shall bd apportioned by him, in accordance with the laws and treaties now in Northeastern Railway Company to construct and operate a railway force, among the different nations and tribes, according to the number of miles through the Indian Territory, and for other purposes. ofrail way that may be constructed by said railway company through their lands: PrO'Vided, That Congress shall have the right, so long as said lands are occupied The bill was read. as follows: and possessed by said nations and tribes, to impose such additional taxes upon Be it enacted, etc., That the Fort Gibson, Tahlequah and Great Nortbea.stern said railroad as H ma.y deem just and proper for their benefit; and any Terri Railroad Company, a corporation created under and by virtue of the laws of the torv or State here:i.fter formed through which said railway shall have been esta.b Sta.to of Arkansas, be, and the same is hereby, invested and em.powered wilu lishcd may exercise the like power as to such part of said railway as may lie the right of locating, constructing, owning, equipping, operating, using, aud within its limits. Said railway company shall have the right to survey and maintaining a railway, telegraph, and telephone line through the Indian Ter· locate its ra.ilwny immediately after the passage of this act., rltoryhbeginning at the town of Rogers, in Benton County, Arkansas, and run· 8Eo. 6. Thnt said company shall ca.use maps showing the routo of Its located ning t ence in a westerly direction by way of Bentonville Benton County, Ar· lines through said Territory to be filed in the office of the Secretary oft.he In kansas, to the eastern boundary of the Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, at terior, and also to be filed in the office of the principal chief of each of the nations or near milepost 22; thence by way of Tahlequah, Cherokee Nation, to Fort or tt-ibes through whose lands said railway maybe located; and after the filing Gibson, in said Territory, with the right to construct and maintnin such tracks, of said maps no claim for a subsequent settlement and improvement upon the turnouts, and sidings as said company may deem it to its interests to construct right of way sllown by said maps shall be valid as against said company: Pro nJ.onI: and uponsa.id right of way and depot grounds herein p.rovidedfor. vided, ·rhat when a map sbowing any portion ofsaidrail way company's located Szo. 2. That said oorporation is authorized to take and use for all purposes of line ts filed as herein provided for, saitl company shall commence grac.llng said .a railway, and for no other purpose, a right of way 100 feet in width through located llne within six months thereafter or such location shall be void; and said Indian Territory for said line of its rail way, and to take and use n strip of said location shall be approyed by the Secretary of the Interior in sections of land 200feet in width, with a.length of 3,000 feet, in addition to right of way, for 25 ruiles before construction of any such section shall be begun. .stations for every 10 miles or road, with the right to use such additional ground SEC. 7. Tllat the officers, servants, and employ6s of said company, necessary where there are heavy cuts or fills 08 may be necessary for the construction and to the construction and mana.gement of said road, shall be allowed to reside, maintenance of the roadbed not exceeding 100 feet in width on ea.ch side of saitl while so engagec..1, upon such right of way, but subject to the provisions of the right of way, or as much thereof as may be included in said cut or fill: Provided, Indian intercourse la.we and such rules and regula.tions as may be established Thnt no more than said addition of land shall be taken foronyouestation: bv the Secretary of the Interior in nccordance with said intercourse la.ws. Pro 0 nded, further, That no part of the lands herein authorized to be ta.ken shall be SE0. 8. That the United States circuit court for the western district of Arkan leased or sold by the company, and they shall not be used except in such man sas, and such other courts as may be authorized by Congress, shall have, with ner and for such purposes only as shall be necessary for the construction and out reference to the amount in controversy, concurrent jurisdiction over all convenient operation of said railroad, telegraph, and telephone lines; and controversies a.rising between said Fort Gibson, Tahlequah and Great North when any portion thereof shall cease to be so used such portion shall revert to eastern Rail way Company and tbe nations and tribes through whose territory the nation or tribe of Indians from which the same shall nave been taken. said railway shall be constructed. Said courts shall have like jurlsdiclion, SEo. 3. That before said railway shall be constructed through any la.nus held without 1·cferenco to the amount in controversy, over all controversies aris by individual occupanls according to the laws, custom, and usages of any of the ing between the inhabitants of said nations or tribes and said raih~ay com· Indian nations or tribes through which it may be constructed, full compensa pany · nnd the civil jurisdiction of said courts is hereby extended within the tion shall be ma.de to such occupants for all property to be taken or damage limit~ of said Indian Territory, without distinction 08 to citizenship of the done by reason of the construction of such railway. In case of failure to make parties, so far ns may ~e neces~ary to carry out the provisions of. this act. amlcable settlement with any occupant, such compensation shall be determined SEO. 9. That said railway company shall build at least r;o miles of its rail· by the appraisement of three disinterested referees, to be appointed one (who way in said Territory within three years after the passage of this act, or the 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3467 rights herein granted shall be forfeited as to that portion not built; that said Tahlequah, the capital of this nation, connected by railroad with other railroad railroad company shall construct and maintain continually all road and high systems. WRY crossings and necessary bridges over said r.a.il way whereve-r said roads and "'e further state that we believe the railroad company now organized in the highways do now or may hereafter cross said railway's right of way, or may State of Arkansas, known by the nam"' of the Fort Gibson, Tahlequah anu be by the pl'Opcr authorities laid out across the same. Great Northeastern Railros.d Compauy, will build said road speedily, and its SEC. 10. That the said Fort Gibson, Tahlequah and Great Northeastern Rail line will be of 1?Teater advantage to us than any other. 'Ve therefore most re way Company shall accept this right o! way upon the exp1ess condition, bind spectfully ask U1e Congress of tbe United States to iv-ant to said railroad company ing upon itself, its successors and assigns, that they will neither aid, advise, nor the right of way through said Cherokee Nation from Fort Gibson, by the way of asshit in any effort looking towards the chan~ing or extinguishing the present Tahlequah, to mile post 22, on the ellst boundary of said nation, with the same tenure of the Indians in their land, and will not attempt to secure from the In conditions as in section5, in act of Congress of United States granting right of dian nations any further grant of land, or its occupancy, than iB hereinbefore way to Southern Kansas Railway Company, approved July 4, 1884; nnd will provided: Provided, That any violation of the condition mentioned in this sec ever pray, etc. tion shall operate as a forfeiture of all the rights and privileges of said rail way company under this net. The SPEAKER. The question is on the first amendment, striking Sxc. 11. That aU mortgages executed by said railway company conveying any out the word "owning," in line 7 of section 1 and wherever it occurs portion of its railroad, with its franchises, that may be constructed in said In dian Territory shall be recorded in the Department of the Interior, and the rec in the bill. Is there objection to the adoption of the amendment? ord thereof shall be evidence and notice of their execution. and shall convey [After a pause.] The Chair hears none, and it is so ordered. ,The all rights and property of said company as therein expressed. question now is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from In S.n:c. 12. That Congress may at any time a.mend, add to, alter, or repeal this act. diana [Mr. HOL:\IAN]. SEC. 13. That the right of way herein and hereby granted shall not be as.!lanetl The question was put, and the amendment was agreed to. or transferred in any form whatever prior to the construction anrl. completion The bill as amended was ordered to be engrossed for a third reading; of ti.le road, except as to mortgages or other liens that may be given or·secured thereon to aid in the construction thereof. and being engrossed, it was accordingly read the third time, and passed. !II r. PEEL moved to reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed; During the reading of the bill Mr. PEEL said: Mr. Speaker, in order to save time I will state that and also moved that the motion to reconsider be laid on the table. this is a home organization by our people and the Cherokee people. It The latter motion was agreed to. is simply to give a right of way from my town, or near my town, by ORDER OF nusnrnss. way of Tahlequah, Cherokee Nation, to Fort Gibson, in the Indian Mr. LODGE. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent for tho pres- Territ.ory. I hold in my hand a petition from seventy of the Cherokees ent consideration of tho bill which I send to the Clerk's desk. asking for this bill . l\Ir. THO UPSON. I rise to a question of privilege. .Mr. HOLMAN.. I hope that the gentleman will allow the bill to be Mr. BLOUNT. Regular order. read. The SPEAKER. The regular order is called for. Mr. PEEL. I have no objection. Which is it that the gentleman l\Ir. McMILLIN. Before that is insisted on I ask un:mimons con wishes read-the petition or the bill? sent that to-morrow evening, a.t 4 o'clock, be sot apart for the eulogies Mr. HOLMAN. The bill ought to be read. We are passing so many on Mr. Phelan, in lieu of the time taken by the special order now in of these bills and appropriating so much of these lands that we ought operation, with the underst.anding thn.t if the House so desires it shall to lrn.ve the bills read at least. not preclude a session to-morrow night. Mr. PEEL. Thia does not tak~ ·any of the land, and the Cherokees J\.Ir. PAYSON. That is a11 right. I hope that arrangement will be themselves ask for it. made. Mr. HOLMAN. I hope the gentleman will have the bill read. Mr. CANNON. The arrangement can be made now that the House :Mr. PEEL. Very well. shall have a session to-morrow night. , The Clerk resumed and concluded the reading of the bill. The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman from Illinois desire that in The SPEAKER. Is there obiection to the present consideration of cluded in the request? the bill? The Chair hears none. , Mr. CANNON. I do. Mr. HOLUAN. I suggest to my friend to amend section 4 of the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Tennessee ask.q unanimous bill by adding, after the word ''mails,'' the words ''and transport the consent that the House set apart the time after 4 o'clock to-morrow troops and property of the United States free of charge." afternoon"for eulogies upon his late colleague [Ur. Phelan], and the Mr. PEEL. I have no objection to the amendment, ])fr. Speaker. ~entleman from Illinois asks unanimous consent in that connection Mr. HOLl\IAN. I hope the fourth section will be again read, and that when the House adjourns to-morrow evening it adjourn until 8 that the amendment ''and transport the troops and property of the o'clock p. m. United States free of charge" will be inserted. l\Ir. ROGERS. I object to the form of the resolution. The g1mtle Mr. PEEL. I do not think that bas been in an.v bill that has been man might make i.t so that the Honse take a. recess. passed. The SPEAKER. Hut it is impossibe to take a rece8:3 when we ad Mr. HOLMAN. It has been in a good many. jcurn out of respect. Mr. PEEL. I have no objection, because I have no idea of any going Mr. ROGERS. Then I withdraw the objeetion. over it·. [Laughter.] , The SPEAKER. The objection is withdrawn. Is there further ob Mr. IIOLUAN. How does the section read now '"t jection? The section was again read. Mr. HOLMAN. What is the object of the meeting at night? Mr. HOLMAN. I ask that the amendment be added to the end of The SPEAKEH. The object, as stated by the gentleman from Illi this section, and that it be read as amended. nois, is to continue public business. The amendment was read, as follows: Ur. HOLl\IAN. I hope that we shall have some understanding as And said rnilroa<1 company shall transport troops and property of the United to what is to be done at these night sessions. Slates free of charge. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. The session will probably be The last proviso, with the amendment, was read, a'3 follows: needed for general business. An.d provldedfurther, That said railway company shall carry the mail atsnch Mr. HOL!\f.A.N. t I do not think we need it,. I think we have ample prices as Congress may by law provide; and until such rale is flxed by law the time. Postmaster-General may fix the rate of compensation. And said railroad com pany shall transport troops and property of the United States free of charge. Tho SPEAKER. Is tbere objection? There was no objection, and it was so ordered. l\Ir. BUCHANAN, of New Jersey. I would like to inquire of tho l\Ir. THOUPSO~. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a question of privilege. gentleman from Arkansas whether this bill contains a provision that The 8PEAKER. The gentleman from Georgia [Mr. BLOUNT] has the company shall "own " this road? called for the regular order. l\Ir. PEEL. . No; but I do not hear the gentleman fully. Mr. THOMPSON. Do I understand the Chair to bold thata demand l\Ir. BUCHANAN, of New Jersey. I will come a little nearer to for the regular order cuts off a privileged question? the gentleman so that he may. Do the terms of the bill provide that The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman please suspend for a moment the company shall ''own'' the road? until the matter presente::l by the gentleman from Illinois [!\Ir. CAN Mr. PEEL. The word ''owning'' was in the first section of the N"O.N] is settled? bill, lrnt it was stricken out. I do not know whether it occurs any Mr. F AHQUHAR. Now, l\ir. Speaker, I move that the House re where else or not. I will ask to have it stricken out wherever it solve itself into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the occurs. Union for the farther consideration of the shipping bill. Mr. BUCHANAN, of New Jersey. That might be construed to Mr. THOMPSON. Mr. Speaker, I desire to call up o. privileged givo ownership in the Strip, and I think that the fee sitnple does not questioa. reside in the United States. l\fr. RICH.A.RDSON. Mr. Speaker- l\1r. PEEL. I haven petition from the Cherokees in favor of this. I do not suppose that anybody desires to have it read, but I will have rRINTING OF EULOGIES O.N DECEASED l\IE:\IIlERS. it printed in the RECORD. The SPEAKER (interposing). The gentleman from Tennessee de The petition is as follows: sires to have prin1!ed certain eulogies, and the Chair will recognize him To the Senate and IIouse of Representatit:es . for that purpose. of the United States of .America in Congress assembled: Mr. RICHARDSON. I wish to make a brief statement in connec 'Ve whose names are hereto subscribed most respectfully st.ate Lo the Con gr CJ of the United States that we are resident citizens of the Cherokee Nation, tion with it. There are three resolutions to provide for the printing of in tbe Inuilm Territory; that we believe it will be of great advantage to have eulogies on the late Representative Walker, of l\Iissouri, the ]ate Uep- 3468 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FmntU.ARY 27,
resentative Watson, of Pennsylvania, and the late Representative Phe M'r. SPRINGER. I understand that the motion is to strike out all lan, of Tennessee. They are in the usual form and provide for print after the enacting clause of the Senate bill and insert the text of the ing the usual number, 12,000 copies. I ask unanimous consent that committee's substitute as printed. . the resolutions be adopted. The CHAIRMAN. The substitute reported by the committee. I The SPEAKER. Is there objection? [After a pause.J The Chair Mr. SPRINGER. I want to know the form of the motion-whether ,1 hears none, and the three resolutions will be considered as adopted. the proposition is to substitute one bill for the other-- \ By unanimous consent the joint resolution (II. Res. 279) authorizing The CHAIRMAN. The motion is to strike out all after the enact printing of eulogies on the late Hon. James r. Walker, of Missouri, ing clause and insert the bill reported by the committee, which the was laid on the table. Clerk will now read. LEVEES AND IMPROVEMENTS OF THE MISSISSIPPI. Mr. HE~BERT. I wish to make a parliamentary inquiry. I desire Mr. RICHARDSON. I also hold in my hand the testimony taken to offer an amendment to the first section; and I wi8h to know whether by the Committee on Levees and Improvements of the Mississippi it will be in order to offer it as soon as those lines shall be reached or River, of which the gentlemnn from Michigan [Mr. BURl<.OWS] is whether I should wait until the first section bas been read. chairman. He.desires to have the usual number of copies printed. The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman refer to the Senate bill or the proposed substitute? . ORDER OF BUSIYESS. Mr. HERBEH.T. My amendment applies to the first section of the Mr. OSBORNE. Mr. Speaker, I desire to present a conference re substitute. I wish to know whether I should wait to offer the amend port. ment until the first section shall have been completely read, or whether The SPEAKER. One moment. The Chair interrupted the pro I should offer it at the time the lines are reached? ceedings to ask consent for the printing of the eulogies. The Chair The CHAIR.MAN. After the substitute is offered and is under con desires to state the position of affairs. The House i'3 acting now under sideration it will then be in order to amend any portion of that sub a special order, and if the regular order is called for the Chair thinks stitute. that under the circumstances the order must have its course, and does Mr. HERBERT. I did not make myself clear or the Chair did not not think that the conforence report ought to come in, although strictly bear me. My desire is to offer an amendment to the_ first section .of speakinJ? a conference report bas the ri~ht of way. The Chair thinks the substitute. that under the circumstances under which this order was adopted it The CHAIRMAN. The Chair will recognize the gentleman in due should have free course as long as members do not all consent tO some time. thing else. Mr. IIERBERT. My inquir.r was whether I should seek recogni Mr. THOMPSON. What does the Chair bold with reference to the tion when the lines are reached on the first reading, or whether my privileged resolution that I desire to call up in relation to the impeach amendment, should bo offered after the section has been read in full. ment of a United States district judge? The CHA.UUIAN. Not until after the reading of the substitute is The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks that that would come under the completed. same head. A conference report would have priority to that, and con Mr. HOPKINS. I ba.ve an amendment which I wish to move as a sequently, if the conference report is ruled out, that would be rnled substitute for the one by the gentleman from New York [l\Ir. F .AR out. In making this ruling, however, the Chair desires to confine him QUHAR], and I would like to ask the Chair at what point I should make self entirely to the case as it stands upon the facts which are known to the motion so as to get my substitute before the Committee of the the House, and does not intend to say that such would be his ruling Whole? generally, because such has not been the general rule. The CHAIRMAN. When the consideration of the suhstitute has BUSIYESS FRO:\! CO:\DII'ITEE OY DISTRICT OF COLUl\IIlLL been completed in detail and before its adoption as a whole, it will Mr. GHOUT. Mr. Speaker, pending t.he motion of the gentleman then be in order to offer the substitute of the gentleman from Illinois from New York [Ur. FARQUHAR], who yields to me for this purpose, I [Mr. HOPKINS] as an amendment to the substitute of the committee. renew my request of yesterday, that the Saturday evening session, com Mr. F'ITHIAN. My understanding was that these different substi mencing at 8 o'clock, be set apart for the consideration of business re tutes were to be voted on in the order in which they were offered. ported from the Committee on the District of Columbia. Mr. SPRINGER. Asa means of facilitating business, I suggest.that The SPEAKER. The Chair understands that Saturday evening has instead of reading the substitute through in full at first, we consider it already been assigned. now as the pending bill and take it up section by section, perfecting it Mr. GROUT. I think not. as we go along. Afterward the vote can be ta.ken upon substitutes for Mr. ROGERS. Mr. Speaker, this affords me an opportunity to state the entire proposition. that until the Speaker's table is cleared there will be no more unani The CHAIH.MAN. The Chair will state to tbegentlemanfrom Illi mous consents while I am in the House. nois [Mr. SPRINGER] that it would not be in order at this time-. - Mr. McKINLEY. There has already been an order made for the Mr. SPRINGE·~. Whatldesireisthatouramendmentsbepresented evening session on Saturday. in consecutive order to the several sections as they are reached. The SPEAKER. The Chair does not think that any arrangement The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Illinois asks unanimous ought to be ma·fe in the absence of the chairman of the Committee on consent that the first reading of the substitute of the committee be Appropriations, who bas requested that there be a session on Saturday dispensed with; and that it be considered by sections. Is there objec evening for public business. tion? The Chair hears none; and it is so ordered. Mr. GROUT. I understood- Mr. HOPKINS. Would it not be in order for me now to offer an Mr. BLOUNT. Mr. Speaker-- amendment by way of substitute before the bill is perfected? Mr. FA RQ CJHAR. I call for the regular order. The CIIAIHMAN. The special order under which we are opera.ting declares-- The SPEAKER. The regular order being calif~d for, the House re solves itself into Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union Mr. BLOUNT. I ask that we may have the 8pecial rule read. for the further consideration of the shipping bill. The CHAIRMAN. The language of the special order is "any sub stitute adopted for the entire bill to be subject to a further amendment SHIPPING BILL. in committee." So that the gentleman's proposition will be in order The House accordingly resolved itself into Committee of the Whole under the terms of the special order. on the state of the Union (Mr. Bmmows in the chair) and resumed l\Ir. COVERT. I wish to make a parliamentary inquiry. Can the the consideration of the bill (S. 3738) to place the American merchant proposed substitute of the gentleman from Illinois [!}1r. HOPKINS] be marine engaged in the foreign trade upon an equality with that of other read now for information? nations. The CHAIRMAN. There would bo nothing gained by that. It is The CIIAIRMAN. The Chair will direct the Clerk to read the Sen already printed in the RECORD. ate bill. [A pause.] The Chair is ad vised by the Clerk that the Sen Mr. CANDLER, of Massachusetts. I desire to submit a parliamen ate bill bas already been read, and hence its reading at this time may tary inquiry, Mr. Chairman. I gave notice of intention and asked not be desired. permis!:lion to print in the HEconn a bill which I designed to offer as Mr. SPIUNGER. I do not desire the readinO'. We are now to con a substitute for that presented by the committee. I would like to ask sider this bill under the five-minute rule; antl'"r wish to facilitate as if it would be in order for Ale to offer that as a substitute for both bills - much as possible its consideration upon the merits. . which will be before the House, that of the gentleman from New York Mr. FARQUHAH. I wish to know whether the Senate bill is now [Mr. FARQUIJ.AR] and the gAntleman from Illinois [l\1r. HorKINS]? to receive its first reading. The CHAIRMAN. The rule is very broad, proviuing that any sub The CHAIRMAN. The reading may be dispen~cd with unl~s de stitute which may be adopted will still be open to amendment. If manded. the committee's substitute is agreed to, and the proposition of the gen Mr. FARQUHAR. Then I move for the consideration of the Com tleman from Illinois voted down, the gentleman from Massachusetts mittee of the Whole the snbstitute reported by the Committee on Mer will be recognized to amend as be suggests. chant Marine and Fisheries; and I ask that the Clerk now read it. Mr. CANNON. Then a farther inquiry, Mr. Chairman. Would it The CHAIKMAN. The ,gentleman from New York [.Mr. FAR be proper upon the discussion of the first section only, and before the QUIT.AR] offers as an amendment to the Senate bill, the substitute remainder of the bill is before the House, to Offt!r a substitute fo1· the reported by the committee. entire bill? 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3469
The CHAIRMAN. It would not be in order. - port dues, light dues, and all other charges which the ports might re- The Clerk will read the first section of the substitute bill. quire of them. So a"l to recompense these ports between Baltimore and \ The Clerk read as follows: Galveston the committee agreed to divide the first 5,000 miles into two ~ I \ That on ancl after the passage of this act there shall be paid, out of any moneys parts. paying a fraction for the first GOO miles sailed or less. Let me I In the Trea1mry of the United :States not otherwise appropriated, to any vessel, illustrate th!s. whether sail or steam, registered pursuant to the laws of the United :::>tates, and Take the port of Pensacola, which is a 1ittlc over 500 miles from which shall he engaged in the foreign trade, plying between the ports of the United States and toreign ports. as follows: If a steam Yessel of not exceeding- Havana. A large coal trade has started up in the last two or three 11 knots speed when loaded, or if a sailin:;: vessel, the sum of 10 cents per gross years between these ports. A >essel loading at Pensacola, and sailing register ton for the first 500 miles or fraction thereof sailed outward, and the to Havana, gets its 15 cents on the 500 miles, and on the fraction over eame sum for the first 500 miles or fraction thereof sailed in ward, on any voyazc or voyages; 10 cents per gross register ton for the second 5UO miles or fraction 500 miles and less than the next 500 mile3, gets its 15 cents; so that the1·eof sailed outward, and the same sum tor the second 500 miles or fraction we are paying for the short part of the -voyage this sum to remedy the . thereof sailed inward, and 20 cents per gross register ton for each 1,000 miles defect discovered iu all bills before this, and this is done for the ad- thereafter, and pro rata for any distance sailed less than 1,000 miles atter the h" h first 1,000 miles sailed. The payments at the r .. te of 20 cents per ton for each vantage of all ports between Baltimore and Galveston, tow IC we are 1,000 miles sailed, as herein provided, shall co?tinue for the term o_f ten years at paying the 30 cents for ::my distance R:Liled over the 500 miles. This that rate, and thereafter for another ~erm o~mne years at a reduction of 2 cen_ts remedies what would otherwise be a material defect in this system of per ton each year upon each 1,000 miles sailed, and pro rata for any less dis· . t' . I t t k th' tt · l · th d'scussi'on tance. 1eg1s 1a 10n. wan o ma e is ma er p 1a1n ear y m e 1 . , But in case any steam vessel m~kes i;ir can attain a higher speed at se.a. than because it has been a stumbling-block to many who have considered 11 knots per hom when loaded, w1th wmds !l'nd m~rrent slack, then, and H1 such I the bill outside of the House as well as in it. . case, the payments per ton for each 1,000 miles sailed as aforesaid shall be made . . . I d according to the fixed rating for speed; that is to say, for a speed of over 11 to Now, this fraction of payment lS for these ~outhern P?rts a one, an 12 knots, 21 cents per ton; for a speed of over 12 to 13 knots, 22 cents per ton: that fraction, Ur. Chairman, by a computation made m the Hydro fora speed of over 13 to 14 knots, 23 cents per ton; for a sp~ed of over 14 to 15 O'raphic Office equalizes the whole payments in the bill from Portland knots, 24 cents per ton; for a speed of o'\'"er 15 to 16 knots, 2:J cents per ton; for '"' ' . . h h d'l'C ' a speed of over 16 to 17 knots, 26 cents per ton; for a speed of ove1· 17to18 knots, Me., clear around to Galveston! without exception, so t at t e luer- 27 cents per ton; for a llpeed of over 18 to 19 knots, 28 cents per ton; for a speed ence is but a fraction over 7 per cent. The bill, therefore, as no IV per of over 19 to 20 knots, 29 cents per ton, and f?ra speed of over20knots, 30 cents fected in respect to compensation brings into harmonious relation 0 ~~~!~~ ;b~ha~~~:t~1n°efde;:.~~ !t~~':i ~CS:T{0~~~!~~n~ .:it~a~heaR.~:bo~~dk:f !~ ~~~ under' it some fifteen of the great po~ts of the country, and places every armed cruiser, by the Secretary of the Navy, and by him lo l>e certified to_the port from the Rio Grande to Portland, Me., on an equal footing. Treasury and Post-Otlic~ Departments, where recordsot speed shall ke kept. It gives them all an equal chance of earnina the bounty and pre- The payments at the different rates for speed shall continue for the terri of . . il th t N "'y k Ph'l d 1 h' ten years at the full rate, and thereafter for another term of nine years at o. re- vents all contention as to priv eges a ew or , 1 a e P ta, or duction of one-tenth the full rate per ton each year upon each l,OGO miles navi- Baltimore or other large ports could claim over the smallest ports gated, and pro rata for nny d !stance less: Provided, That payment in all the elsewhere' foregoing cases shall not be made for more than 7,000 miles sailed on either an • outward or inward voyage ..nnd that the foreign port to which the voyage is [Here the hammer fell.] . made shall be distant more than 70milesseawardfrom theoce>1norgulf bound· Mr. HERBERT. I offer the amendment which J send to the Clerk's ary of the United States; and such payments toa.nyvessel a.saforesaidsha.ll be de k made to the owner or owners thereof upon proof of the distance actually sailed, S • the distance to be ascertained and the payment to be made under such regula- The Clerk read ll.S follows: tionsas the Secretary oi the Treasnry shall prescribe o.nd promulgate; distances Amend the first section of the substitute by inserting before the worcl "ves- between ports to be determine~ by measurements which s~iall .be furnished by sels," in line 5, on p~e 6 of the printed bill, the' word'.' s~eam,'' by ~triking out the United States Hydrograph1c Office to the Bureau ofNav1gatlon of the Treas- of said line the words" whether sail or steam,". by stnkmg out of lines 8 and 9 Ul'Y Department. the words "a steam vessel," by strikinir out of lines 9 and 10 the words "or if a sailing vessel," and by striking out of line 2G, on pa;;-e 7, the word" steo.m," l\Ir. FARQUHAR. Ur. Chairman, I think it is due to this commit and insertin2' in lieu thereof the word" such." tee that, as chairman of the committee submitting this substitute, in Mr. SPRINGER. What is the meaning of this? opening the five-minutes' debate I should make a brief statement, con Mr. HERBERT. Mr. Chairman, the effect of this amendment is to fining myself to the five-minute rule. strike out of this first section the provisions relating to sail vessels. l\Ir. SPRINGER. Before the gentleman from New York proceeds I In this first section the subsidy is granted alike to sail vessels and to would suggest that we fix a limit upon the debate upon the first sec- steam vessels. Now, there can be no necessity for subsidizing sail tion. · >essels. They are generally of wood. 'rhey are slow; they are unfit l\Ir. BLOUNT. I hope that will not be done. ted for naval purposes; they a.re unfitted for postal purposes, and there .Mr. SPRINGER. Will the gentleman allow me a moment to make can be no reason for subsidizing them. This bill gives to sail vessels a suggestion which I think will meet his approval? exactly the same subsidy that it gives to the fastest steam vessel. .Mr. BLOUNT. Certainly. _ Ur. FARQUHAR. No; 20 cents only for sailing vessels. Mr. SPRINGER. We are limited in time. We must dispose of this Mr. HERllEH.T. Not the fastest, but the same that it gives to a bill at 5 o'clock. There are several features upon which we desire a steam vessel making not more than 11 knots an hour. Now, Mr. Chair vote. If we take up all the time upon one section the other proposi man, sail vessels are rapidly going out. Even under this subsidy it is tions can not be considered. calcnluted by the Commissioner of Navigation, that after we !:!hall have .Mr. BLOUNT. I do not desire to take up a11 the time on this para subsidized sail vessels for ten years we will have a smaller tonnage of graph, nor do I suppose the committee would permit it. I take it for sail vessels than we have now. Will the gentleman listen to the figures? granted that the committee will close the debate at the proper time. The eli 11 000 miles traveled, many of the other Southern ports had their ves ~entleman here can >ote intelligently on this amendment, and I hope sels in the docks loading and unloading, and continually subject to . his constituents may know in every ca.~e how he does vote. 3470 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, l MESS.A.GE FROll TIIE SEN.A.TE. The CHA.IR.MAN. The Chair will recognize the gentleman from The committee informally rose, and Ur. BREWER having taken the Georgia for five minutes. f Chair as Speaker pro tempore, a message from the Senate, by .M:r. Mc l\1r. BLOUNT. Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from Maine insi!:it.a CooK, its Secretary, annom.aced that the Senate had passed, with that the sailing vessel is important in order to prepare the sailor for amendments, the bill (H. R. 13462) making appropriations forthesun deeclB of valor and naval enterprise. Unfortunately, it so happens that ) dryc1vilexpensesoftheGove:rnmentfor the year ending June30, 1892, in the progress of naval warfare the nations of the earth do not use and for other purposes, in which the concurrence of the House wasre sailing vessels, but steam; and therefore there is no occasion at all for .a quested. man who is trained on a sailing vessel, but rather for a man who is TIIE SHIPPING DILL. trained on a steam vessel. If he answers the wants on a steam vessel ho answers the exigencies of war. The committee resumed its sei:;sion. The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Georgia will have to sus Mr. DINGLEY. .Mr. Chairman, the amendment proposed by the pend. The gentleman from Georgia is disturbing gentlemen in con gentleman from Alabama is an exceedingly important one and should versation behind the scats and will have to suspend. [Laughter.] be carfully considered by the Committee. Gentlemen in the rear of the scats will please conclude their conversa If we are to adopt the policy proposed by this bill for the purpose tion as soon as possible. of restoring tho American merchant marjne in the foreign trade, what .Mr. BLOUNT.. I submit this very mode of reasoning, conceding are the reasons for including sail marine as well as steam? No merchant that the saqing vessel is of no use for war purposes, while steam ves marine can he complete unless it includes both sail and steam. Even sels are used for that purposEi, and in·order that men may be trained with all the advance that has been made in transportation by steam, still to deeds of valor the sailing >essel shall be used, and therefore we nearly one-half in bulk of the exports and imports of the United States, must give it a bounty. not in valu~. but in bulk, is imported and exported in sailing vessels. It seems to me, sir, that the simpler mode of reaso~ing is that if tho Not only that, Mr. Chairman-- steam vessel is the better for commercial purposes it is better for naval Mr. HERBERT. Do you say one-half the exports and imports are purposes; that we should concentrate our efforts at all times in the ad carried in sailing vessels? vancement of that instrumentality rather than the other. l\1ore than .Mr. DINGLEY. Nearly one-half in bulk, not in value. Thevalu that, sir. England is the great competitor whom we are invited to cast ableimports and exports, those as to which time is an important ele our observations upon when we arc asked to expend money by methods ment in their transportation, go by steam conveyance. The bulky such as this; and we know that from the beginning it bas always been merchandise, where time is not an important element, go by sail con conceded that we built wooden ships far chcap~r than England or Franco "\'"eyance, because the transportation by sail is necessarily cheaper than or any other of the great nationalities. the transportation by steam for long distances. Why put sail in? Does not the gentleman from New York [Mr• .Mr. HERBERT. Even admitting that, why-- FARQUHAR] state it correctly when be says "give all a chance," ignor Mr. DINGLEY. Please do not take up my five minutes. Indeed, ing the great national interest? Ilut when there are people calling for >oyages between San Francisco and the whole Pacific coast and Europe subsidies, some for steam, some for sail, some for large, and some for can only be undertaken by sail vessels, because steam vessels can not light craft, nnd you "give all a chance," you make a very strong meas carry the requisite amount of fuel. Cut out sail vessels from this bill, ure of this. That is why there is this great cry for the eailing vessel. and the whole Pacific coast is at once excluded from its benefits so far Perhaps ifthe gentleman from l\Iaine lived outsidoof that State; if he as transportation between the Pacific coast and Europe is concerned. lived away from where they build the cheap wooden ships, he would Again, cut out sail vessels, and many ports of this country having not see so clearly, so positively, and unequivocally the magnificent im those prod acts which are bulky in their nature and which can not stand portance of the sailing ship to ad vauce commerce and to strengthen our a high cost of transportation are necessarily cut out, and the whole naval resources. I do not complain at the gentleman. traffic by vessel is thrown at once into the control of foreign vessels. Perhaps if I lived in Maine I would want a. "chance," as the gen Cut out the sailing '\"essels, and you destroy and take away the great tleman from New York [Mr. F .A.RQUIIAR] says, but I submit, sir, that balance wheel that secures the cheapest cost of transportation to the the American people will not witness with favor a discussion in tho farmers of the West and the producers of this country. More than consideration of a great measure like this, the ieading, dominant feature that, Mr. Chairman, this will recognize tha sail vessel, which is es of which is to "give all a chance." I submit, sir, that it is right sentially the great nursery for sea.men, the nursery for men who are to and proper to give the people a chance. Taxation, extravagant appro· be relied upon to man our cruisers in time of war. Employment upon prialions, all of these things go to the favored few, and I trust that this a steam vessel is more in the nature of employment upon land. It does committee will not put in this clearly obnoxious proposition under the not fit a man for those deeds of valor and of daring so essential in the pretext of advancing the commerce and strengthening the Navy. men who man our cruisers in time of war, and which made such men The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. so couraJ?;eons and gallant in the conflicts that took place upon the sea Mr. MILLIKEN. I have si'r:1cerely wished a good many times that in the war of 1812. my friend from Georgia. had lived down upon the coast of Maine, for It seems to me, Mr. Chairman, that the very reasons urged by the there are so many good things in him that I am certain the rugged at gentleman from Alabama [liir. HERBERT] for cutting sail vessels out ruosphere of the sea and the generosity of the sailors that he would of this bill exist as against all steam vessels making a rate of speed of 12 commingle with would bring him out in oven better plight than he is knots an hour or less, because steam vessels making a speed of less now. than 12 knots an boor would not be adapted more than sailing vessels Mr. BLOUNT. Are they for appropriation for their own benefit? for the conveyance of the mails or for use in time of war. If this bill Mr. MILLIKEN. They are for an appropriation for the benefit of is to be confined solely to vessels used for postal purposes, it should be the country, and I suppose the gentleman upon that proposition will so declared, and not undertake to discriminate against sailing vessels agree with them. But I desire to say this: So far as this particular that make the same speed and are used for the same purposes as steam amendment is concerned my colleague [Mr. DINGLEY] has well stated vessels. that one of the purposes of this bill is to create a nursery for the Navy. MESSAGE FROM TIIE SEN.A.TE. Now, in order to train men fit to do service on the sea in time of war The committee informally rose; and the Speaker having resumed they have not only to be brave men in the ordinary way, but they have the Chair, a message from the Senate, by Mr. McCOOK, its 8ecretary, got to be used to the sea, they have got to be al'quainted with it, tl.Jey announced that the Senate had passed without amendment bills of the have got to be good sailors, and nowhere can you find as brave and as following titles: hardy sailors as those who have been trained upon sailing vessels. .My A bill (H. R. 10787) to prohibit the granting of liquor licenses within friend has stated that these sailing vessels will not be used for pur one mile of the Soldiers' Home; poses of war. The gentleman may recollect that in the early history A bill (H. H. 11003) to detach the County of Logan, in the State of of thi'3 country our forefathers placed a bounty upon fi~hing vessels. Ohio, from the northern and attach it to the southern judicial district They gave a. bounty to the fishermen of this country, and for what of snid State; purpose? Why, for the deciared purpose of furnishing a nursery for A bill (H. Il.12152) for the relief of Henry L. Morey; and tbe Navy. A bill (H. R. 9599) for the relief R. F. Balke as l\fellwood Distillery. l\1r. HOPKINS. Will the geotleman permit a. que.stion? Mr. MILLIKEN. I have only five minutes. Does the gentleman TIIE SIIIPPING IlILL. from Georgia suppose that our forefathers expected that those fishing The committee resumed its session. vessels were to be used as vessels of war, those little craft of not more Mr. BLOUNT. Mr. Chairman - . than 100 tons, many of them of not more than 30 tons burden, such The CHA.IRAIA.N. If it be agreeable to the committee, the Chair crafLs as go down now, even in the winter time, upon the Grand Banks will not insist upon a pro Jonna amendment, bu twill recognize gentle and upon George's Banks to battle with t.he ocean and draw from its men for five minutes. depth the wealth wh ch lies concealed there? No. It was not be Mr. BREWER. I would suggest, in connection with that, that the cause they supposed that in any emergency of war those vessels would rule be five minutes; and we would better have it understood that if a be used for war purposes that our forefathers gave that bounty. gentleman asks for an extension the universal rule shall be that when It was because they knew that there on those little fishing craft the five minutes have expired the gentleman shall be informed his time would be trained sailors as hardy, as brave, and as well fitted tor serv has expired. ice in the Navy when the country should have occasion to call them 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3471 into its service as could be found anywhere in the world. And you we should be in conflict with another nation, when we are the second know, gentlemen, that the history of the country since that time has nation in the world in point of navigation, is one that I can not agree to. proved the wisdom of that policy of our forefathers. Yon know that We have only 12~ per cent. of the foreign carrying trade; it amounts there has been hardly a. great battle upon the ocean even down to the to nothing. But do you think we have no sailors? Do yon think time of our last war where the fishermen of New EnglanO. have not that these great steamers built in our shipyards to go across the ocean been found doing as brave deeds and fighting as skillfully and as ef- a portion of the year-that these sailing vessels from the State of fectively as any men ever did in the world. • Maine engaged in the coastwise trade during a part of the year and [Here the hammer foll.] then sailing on foreign seas during the rest of the year--do you think Mr. OUTHWAI-TE. This bounty is for the fishermen in Wall that this 3, 5001 000 of tonnage can not furnish sailors for any emer street, not for the fishermen of New England. [Laughter.] gency? 1\Ir. MORGAN. The •'fishers of men." [Lau~hter.J What did we demonstrate in our late war besides showing that sail Mr. ROGERS. Mr. Chairman, I am getting to be an old man and ing ships would be swept from the sea? We demonstrated thatincase it is probable that I have forgotten my geography. [Laughter. J When of a foreign war we could not contend with the great ironclads of other the first gentleman from Maine [ Mr. DINGLEY] took the floor he nations. We should baye some floating batteries to defend our ports, spoke of this provision of the first section of this bill, with reference to and we should send a few cruisers and hundreds of privateers to wipe sailing vessels, as being for the benefit of the Pacific coast, and now the any mercantile navy from the ocean .. We should in times of peace have other gentleman from l\faine, his colleague [Mr. MILLIKEN], follows enough modilrn-crui'ling ships to represent our countryin foreign ports him and advocates taking these millions out of the Treasury for this and protect Americans in their legitimate rights under the American purpose because New England, and particularly Maine, has furnished fla,g. very hardy and very brave soldiers and sailors in time past. Now, I I say let us not legislate upon an appeal to any fear that the United thought that Maine was on the Atlantic coast, but manifestly there is States of America can not take care of h erself in any conflict. I would a confusion of ideas between the two gentlemen from Maine, and it is not waste the money of the people by spending it in obedience to sach possible that one of them thinks that .Maine is now on the Pacific coast. . theories any more than I would waste H in building great war ships; [Laughter.] . for nothing is more useless than a war ship that is out of date. If we Mr. MILLIKEN. If my friend will allow me, I guess the confusion should have a conflict with another nation the genius and the courage of ideas is in his own head. [Laughter.] of this people will meet the occasion. If our enemy has ironclads, we Mr. ROGERS. Oh, Mr. Chairman, this reminds me of a law firm will defend ourselves perhaps with lightning or something else that will down in Kentnc1."Y that got their Jaw books all burned up, and next supersede the agencies now employed. - We shall find a l\1onitor for morning, after they had rented a new office and bought a table and two every Merrimac that they may have. Let us discuss this question prac chairs, one of them said to the other, "Now, what are we going to do tically as it is, not upon theories, not by references to the history of a for a library?" ''To the devil with a library," said the other part hundred or fifty or twenty years ago. ner; "the books would only confuse our ideas." .Mr. Chairman, with [Here the hammer fell.] two such authorities a.s the two gentlemen from Maine almost any Mr. MORROW. Mr. Chairman, the great commerce of the future • man of ordinary intelligence would be liable to have his ideas confused, will, in my judgment, be on the Pacific Ocean. Over eleven hundred one of those gentleman advocating this for the benefit of the s.hip islands dot the Pacific. That great area must be traversed by either bnilcling interests of Maine on the Atlantic coast and the other advo sail or steam ships. Any of us who will call to mind the map of Poly cating it for the benefit of the Pacific slope. Which of them is right nesia will remember that it shows in concentric rings almost innumer upon this question? Which one of these Two Gentlemen of Verona able islands, islands that are rich and fruitful in productions that will shall the Democratic side follow in this discussion? furnish the great commerce of the world. The trade among those is The argument of the gentleman from Maine [Mr. MILLIKEN] who lands will necessarily be carried on by vessels either sail or steam. The last addressei! the committee reminds me of the case of a man who chief commerce of the world in the productions of the soil must be by was arraigned for larceny; he admitted that he was guilty, but pleaded sailing vessels. that he bad been a brave soldier during the war, and that therefore be Now, these islands have been appropriated and divided up by the ought to be acquitted. [Laughter.] So we are told that we ought to three great nations-Germany, England, and France; but the commerce steal the people's money out of the Treasury under this subsidy bill remains free to us if we will only insist upon our rights and see to it that because New England has furnished brave and hardy soldiers in every we maintain our merchant-marine service. For that trade the sailing war in the past, arid, on the other hand, we are told that we o~ht to vessel is important, and is the vessel for us to preserve and maintain. enact this steal for the benefit of the Pacific slope. Where are the But we find that the British merchant-marine service bas come upon Representatives of the Pacific slope, that they can not speak for them the Pacific coast and by methods familiar to anyone acquainted with selves? the aggressive business enterprise of Great llritian that great com We all know what this meaas. There is probably no greater enter mercial power has siezed upon that trade and is rapidly carryll!.;; it prise in :Maine than the building of wooden ships, and that is what away. Now, what we want is simply that we shall be placed upon an this scheme means. And my fair and bold and brave friend from equality with the sail service of the British merchant marine. In tl:.trt Maine (.Ofr. MILLIKEN], whose white hair decorates that side of the way we shall be enabled to maintain our position and hold this trade. House on all occasions when a subsidy is in order [laughter], comes No\v, the sail service is peculiarly adapted to our trade on the coast out boldly, but my genial, exuberant, patrioticfriendfrom.Uaine [Mr. in connection with the steam service. In the long tranait around Ca11e · DINGLEY], whose philanthropy at times wells over so that be can Horn or Cape of Good Hope the sail service is more economical than the not keep it within him, advocates this provision upon the ground that steam service because of the expense of supplying coal. We want to it is for the benefit· of the Pacific slope. Mr. Chairman, I wish these preserve the sail service for cheap transportation. As I statedyesteruay, two gentlemen frc;m Maine would call a caucus of themselves some thia commerce has now fallen into the hands of the British trade. But where and determine just exactly what this section of the bill is jn if you will place us upon an even keel with the British sail service we tended for, so as not to confu~o all the geographical ideas we have on will show you in a few years our ability to carry American trade in this side of the Honse. [Laughter.] American vessels-a trade such as the world has never before seen. Mr. CANDLER, of Massachusetts. l\fr. Chairman, in.the argument Mr. IIEAH.D. The gentleman speaks about desiring that our serv which I bad thepleasureofsubmittingyesterday I stated that itseemed ice be placed '•on an even keel " with the sail service of Great Britain. to me that the gentlemen from Maine and others who are advocating Does Great Britain sub.:idize her sail service? this bill of the committee are dealing with the conditions of one hun Mr. MORROW. She does not;· but that service is attendant upon dred years ago; and yet one gentleman from Maine does not know the the steam service; and so far as her commerce, her insurance, her bank facts of one hundred years ago. Those brave fishermen, whom he thinks ing interests, and all her other interests are concerned there are dis were transferred to the great ships to fight the battles of the Revolu criminations that amount to a subsidy. tion and our other early contests, fought some of those battles in their Mr. HEARD. Does not the subsidizing of her steam vessels mili own ships; aud the great hero, Mugford, of Essex County, Massachu tate a~ainst rather than help the success of the sail service, which is setts, who captured a ship with ammunition for Washington's army, not snt>sidized. - fought in his own little vessel. That is the only answer I will make Mr. MORROW. Not at all. As our President said in his message- on that point. The Fteamsbip, carrying the mails !> latedly and frequenlly, and offering to I object to the appeal made to this House by the gentleman from passengers a comfortable, safe, anti speedy transit, is tl1e first condition of for Maine [Mr. DINGLEY]-the appeal to our fears that we shall not have eigu trade. H carrie l'I the or1ler or the buyer. but not all that is ordered or bought. It giYes to the sailing vessels such cargoes as are not urKentor perish sailors to man our ships in time of war. What were the facts, what able, and, indireC'tly at least, promotes that important adjunct of commerce. were the resnlts, what was the experience of the last war? It was proved by.the operations of three or four little cruisers upon the sea Mr. CANDLER, of Massachusetts. Vote for my proposition, and that if this country were engaged in a great war every sailing merchant we shall have both the stea.IruJbip and the saning ship. vessel must seek a. p9rt in the course of sixty days. Three hundred Mr. MORROW. The sail vessel in British commerce is attendant vessels would be following the merchant ships of any country to which upon the sub~idized steamer. we were opposed, and would wipe their commerce from the.sens. The Mr. HEARD. If the English sail service is not subsidized, what is idea that we under modern conditions could not find brave sailors if the necessity for subsidizing ours to put it on an even keel with thnt? CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, 3472 •J ~ Mr: MORROW. ·we want to be placed upon an even keel not merely in mind that if you strike out sailing vessels you will further increase in the navigation of our sten.m vessels for the purpose of carrying our the profits of Pacific Mail stocki and if you strike out the sailing vessels { foreign mails, but for the time being we desire to be put upon an even you will be complying with the desire of those who me distinctly I keel with the British merchant marine in this, that they now control alluded to and de.scribed in the letter of Mr. John Codman which I \ through the discriminations in insurance by the British Lloyds and other have just read. \ attendant ex.penses nearly the whole trade of the .Pacific coast. Under I J'ifr. BREWER Mr. Chairman-- I this bill our vessels would .have a fair chance to compete with foreign The CHAIRMAN. •noes the gentleman from :Michigan rise to favor vessels and bnild up our own insurance companies, and thus secure all the amendment? the profits and proceeds of transportation for our own people. Mr. EH.EWER. I do. The question of voting aid to our shipping [Here the hamme;r tell.] in this country is not new. It has been under discussion by the people Mr. STRUBLE. · Mr. Chairman, I desire to favor the amendment of for some years. The general understanding among the people has been the gentleman from Alabama LMr. HERnERT], believing as I do that that there was a desire to aid in the construction or running of fast it will greatly improve the bill and make it more acceptable to the lines of steamers from this country to other lands, for the purpose of people of the country at large. . increasin~ our commerce with such foreign countries, and second, that I do not pretend to know much about the business of shipping, whether the steamships we aided to construct should be so built that they could by steamships or sailing vessels. But I have given some thought and be utilized in case of war. attention to this bill and the subject with which it deals, -and it seems These two objects have always been in view. I never have known to me that it will be improved by the adoption of the proposed amend- the question to be raised among the people as to the advisability of ment now pending before this committee. aiding in the building up of lines of sail vessels. That is something I believe in reasonable efforts to establish, or enlarge I should say, new. It would be just as reasonable in my judgment to ask the Gov the shipments of American and foreign products in A.merican bottoms; ernment to aid in_ building up the lines of old stage coaches that passed but I fear if we propose to pay a subsidy to every little craft on the away forty years ago, in order to run in competition with the railway waters, sailing out of American ports, we will load the bill down so lines of ·to-day. I am quite willing to vote aid for the purpose of es that afterits passage-if it shall reach that stage-its most ardent friends tablishing fast lines of steamers between our own couctry and South will. :find_ ere long that it has become so objectionable to the people of ~merica or Australia an~ o.ther countries, but I am not willing to vote the mte_nor of the country that the law will be speedily repealed. aid for ~he purl?o.se of g1vmg abort.us to men who now own cast-off I beheve further that the principal object in view in this cla.ss of steamships or sallrng vessels, and help them to run between this coun legislation should be to establish communication, through direct and try and others. This bill grants aid to such vessels which are now speed.Y mail service, with Joreign ports, and particnlarly'with the ports constructed although they may run only 10 or 11 knots an hour. of the South American countries-not by long circuitous routes of What we want is something that can convey our mails and convey 6,0'JO or 8,000 miles of distance, but by the shortest routes possible our freight from New York, New Orleans, and Norfolk to the South from the .American ports to those southern countries. Upon the estab- American ports as quickly as possible. What we want is a Jast line • Jishment of this direct and short communication upon which merchant:.s of steamers between the Pacific coast and Australia and China. I am can rely, the shipment of goods in sail ships will necessarily be aug- not in favor of aiding sail vessels. They are carrying large quantities mented,becausemerchantswillknowthatgoodswbichcanbesoshipped, of freight so cheap that the steamships can not compete with them and which will arrive in a reasonable time, can be shipped at lower except in cases where quick transportation is desired. I therefore hope ra~P.s; a~d so the i?cre~e of one system of shipping, namely, by steam- this amendment will l?revai1. ships, will result man mcrease by sail vessels. [Here the hammer foll.] From the consideration I have given to this matter, Mr. Chairman, I The CHAIRMAN. The Chair desireiJ to distribute the time fairly, am inclined to the opinion that instead of the sailing vessels of this coun- and will recognize any gentleman who is opposed to this amendment. try being injured by subsidizing steamship Jines, their business will be Mr. BAKER. Mr. Chairman, I rise to speak in opposition to the largely increased. So believing, and acting upon that theory, I am in- amendment. clined to support the amendment of the gentleman from Alabama. The CHAIRMAN. Tlle gentleman from New York [Mr. BA.KER] Mr. 0 U'l'H WAITE. Mr. Chairman, I rise to oppose the amendment is recognized. of the gentleman from Alabama. l\1r. BAKER. Mr. Chairman, if the policy of the Government is to A great deal has been said in the course of this debate about farmers encourage the building up of a merchant marine, it must secure to the being interested in the passage of this bill, and the workingmen of the sailing vessel the same consideration that it gives !o the steam vessel. country at lar,i~e, as well as the fishermen of .Maine, beinO' interested This is due in all fairness from a great government to its people; every directly in its enactment. b reason prompts it. It has been well said, Mr. Chairman, that sailing Now, this proposition to strike out from the benefited class the sail- vessels are an important factor in regulating the rates of transportation ing vessels will inure to the l>enefit of one class of people about whom upon the high seas. You might as well undertake to regulate the rail· perhaps sufficient has not been said in the course of this debate one roads of the country by discriminating against and abolishing the canal class ~llo are deepl_y and fundamentally ~nt~rested in t~e passage of ways_ as t? hope for s1;1ccess t'o~ the policy to ~e inaag_urated by ~he the bill. In behalf of that class, for no voice 1s openly raised in their pendmg bill by amendmg the bill so as to practically drive off the high favor on this floor, I am opposing this amendment. In connection seas the sailing vessels. In my own State the policy inaugurated sev with their interests.and in their behalf let me read an extract from a eral years ago has been to encourage and build up our water ways, the Jetter by Capt.·John Codman: canal ways of the State. For several yea.rs past the State of New The chief reliance of the promoters oft.he bill is the lobby. There are about York, at its own expense, has maintained the Erie Canal, extending fifty lobbyists continually a.t the door of the House. They are not there for from tide-water to the la.keg, in order that bulky freight may find cheap nothing. They "offer inducements." What is an "inducement?" \Yell one t f t t t• t th t N "f" th l" f St inducement ia an option on Pacific l\Iall. If the bill is passed that stock wil'J ad- ra es 0 ranspor a ion O e coas ·· ow, 1 e po icy o my ate vance five points and the holders will reap the benefit. Another inducement were unfriendly to the canals, do you not see that the effect would be lam credibly informed, is the out-and-out promise of $2,000 in case a vote pr~ to build up the strong and destroy the weak? Hence the people by an duc~s the decisive result. These are appeals to the pocket, which are most ef- overwhelming majority voted to assume the entire expense of main fect1 ve. Then there is the appeal to "patriotism" in the stereotyped lie that · the opponents of the biU arc in receipt of "British gold." Take it all in all, faining the Erie Canal and abolished all tolls thereon. there was never presented to Congress a measure of greater corruption than The same policy that prompts us to protect and foster the canals of this misnamed•· tonnage bill," t.lic title of which should be" n. bill for the ben· the country should prompt us to encourage and build up the sailing cfit of beggars and thieves." vessels upon the ocean as well as the steam vessels, and that is the sug- On yesterday I cailed the attention of the House to the fact that the gestion I desire to urge upon the committee. We should not go astray Pacific Mail had advanced, upon a favorable reporting of the rule to in this matter. We must not adopt a policy that shall be partial, that consider this bill, from $38 a s!.iare to $39. 75 a share of its stock. I will favor the strong and break down the weak. The canals of the have the pleasure this morning of congratulating gentlemen wbo favor country are a powertul factor in regulating the matter of transporta this. bill, s~eing that it is to result in tbe benefit of Pacific l\1ail, by tion rates all over the country. The Erie Canal, through the season, callmg their attention to the q.uotations-the market quotations-in in a large degree, regulates the rates of transportation over tbe great this morning's Post under the heading of "Lifted the market up " trunk lines of the country from the West to the seaboard. So the sail "Strength in the Gould stocks," "St. Paul and Pacific Mail " •:A ing vessels upon the ocean regulate largely the rates of transportation · sharp upward mor-ement in Pacific Mail induced by the inc~eased upon the steam vessels. Bulky freigllt finds cheap transportation, likelihood of the passage of the shipping bill," etc. Under this head where the element of time is not important, upon the sea, in sailin~ ing you will find the quotation of Pacific Mail stock closing price $41. 25 vessels, as. it does upon canals inland. So it is that in encouraging per sha:e. You will sec then, gentlemen, that these people who are sail vessels we will encourage the commerce of the country. deeply rnterestetl in the passage of this bill, by some intimation that We regulate transportation. We must protect the interests of the there is to be a favorable conclusion to the action of the House upon producers, the great agricultural interest of the country, in legislating it, have already received an advance from 538 per share to ::>41.25 per in regard to transportation upon the seas as we protect the same inter share on their stock. ests when we maintain the canal ways as a factor in regulating rates I especially wanted to call the attention of my friend from Kansas upon the railroads of the country. I hope, Mr. Chairman, tha.t the (Mr. ANDERSON] to this particular quotation this morning before he amendment will not prevail. This bill is of vast importance to all departed for Egypt. Now, it is well in considering this matter to bear the vast and varied interests of our great country. This is not a Re- • 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3473· publican measure, nor is it a Democratic proposition, :ltir. Chairman. The gentleman from Alabama [Mr. WHEELER], who was president of It is purely an American measure. Its scope and purpose have been the American Shipping League, presented another of the bills; and all fully stated during the debate upon the subject. The great commer of them bear on this q aestion. cial bodies all over the country are on record in its favor. It promises l\fr. BLOUNT. What meetings does the gentleman refer to? inestimable advantage to the industries of our own country. l\fr. FAl- 3474 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27; of which 2,546,237 was engaged in the foreign trade; in 1880 it had rather than a benefit to the independent ships. 'J:'he other way in which diminished to 4,068,034, of which 1,352,810 was in the foreign trade, England pays shipowners is in the direction of a naval reserve. She and in 1889 the latter figure was reduced to 999, 619 tons. During the has made contracts with a few steamship lines. Under these contracts twenty years from 1860 to 1880, while our tonuage bad shown this lam the ships must be made according to certain specifications and require entable falling off, the total tonnage of the British Empire has in ments of the admiralty, and they are subject to be taken by the gov creased from 5,710,968 to 8,447,171. ernment for "War purposes whenever they.are required. The arrange Before taxing the entire community in order to subsidize a few ship ment is made not for the purpose of protecting shipbuilding, but purely builders and owners, before taking millions of money annually from for increasing the navy. the people in order to give a bounty to a few who are engaged in an Germany, under the system of free ships and free materials for build unprofitable enterprise, it would be better to examine into the cause ing, now makes some of the ilnest vessels tli.at float. It is claimed by of this unfortunate condition of our commerce and remove the evil, the advocates of ship subsidies that the German Government subsidizes rather than impose upon the country an additional burden. shipbuilding. The only excuse for such an assumption is that the The iron industry of :Massachusetts, once prosperous, is now almost German Government has made a contract for fifteen years with the extinct owing to our tariff laws. The largest concern in the State is North German Lloyd Company, by which that company is to operate about to put its plant into Illinois; yet it would not be considered wise three lines of ships between Germany, China, and Australia, with legislation to give a bounty to anyone going into the manufacture of agreements as to speed and the carrying of the mails. iron. The State of J\faine, with its magnificent harbors and conven There are to be eight ships built according to plans approved by the ient proximity to the coal and irou fields of the Provinces, should under government. For this service the company receives 4,400,000 marks wise tariff laws be a flourishing community; but, if the reports of the annually, and must deposit a security of 500,000 marks, as a guaranty recent census are to be believed, there has been a. falling off in the pop of the performance of the contract. ulation of many of the counties in that State; yet no one would advo In time of war or the mobilization of the navy the imperial chan cate taxing the whole people to allow.Maine to establishmanufactures. cellor may take any or all of the ships at their full value, or may Thirty years ago America was the equal of any country in its com charter them for government service at a fair rate of compensation. merce. Then ships were made of wood and used sail; to-day they are Such a contract as this can not be properly c:l.lled a subsidy. In spite of made of iron or steel and propelled by steam, but our flag is rarely seen this payment this line is run at a loss. . upon the seas. If an American wishes to engage profitably in the ~r Bearing upon this question the following extract from the Kuhlow eign trade he must sail his ship under the flag of another country. It German Trade Review, of J\fay 1, 1889, is of interest: costs too much to build a ship in this country and a foreign-built ship In all quarters the news that the Norddeutscher Lloyd had placed tho order can not be registered here. The fact that the· English ship can make for two fast Atlantic steamers with a firm of German shipbuilders is received with the liveliest satisfaction. Such conclusive evidence of the great strides money while the American does not can not be due to the cheapness made by the shipbuiltling intlustry ns is thereby afforded is in the highest de of labor there in the construction, .tor the labor cost in the two coun gree plensing to every well wisher of Germany. tries hardly differs; nor can it be due to the difference in wages of sea Ten years ago, even five years ago, this would have been deemed impossible. There is certainly every g-round for congratulation. .\. point particularly men in the two countries, because in the past, when we were able to worthy of remark is that tllis prog-ress has been accompliahed in an industry compete with England, we paid our sailors higher wages. which is not protected by any duty. Ships builtabroadmayenterGermanyduty England pays no duties upon the materials which go into the con free, and also receive the Germa n fla~. In order that the duty in favor of the other German industries may not render dearer the materials for ship· struction of her ships and sbe allows her people to buy their ships in building, a re~ult which would, of course, be most prejudicial to the latter, it is the cheapest market. This is also true of Germany and France, while expressly provided by the law that such materials come in duty free. Either America puts a heavy duty upon raw materials. In the case of struc these duty-free productions from abroa d must be employed or tbc German manufacturers must be prepared to supply the materials at an equally low price tural iron tbe duty is 114 per cent. ad valorem and upon anchors and as that obtaining in the international market. chains it amounts to 38 or 49 per cent. ad valorem, and we must build The German shipbuilding industry therefore works in a complete free-trade our ships in this country or sail them under a foreign flag if they are atmosphere. Its pro~rcss is totally unconnected with and independent of the German customs policy. In the United States the reverse is the case; there to be used in the ocean trnde. shipbuilding is protected. Tile consequence of this is that the Americans can The duty upon iron and coal not only prohibits the building of ships build vessels for the ir coasting tra Mr. BLOUNT. I wish to say that that will require unanimous con l\fr. FITHIAN. I object to a further extension of the time. · sent and I shall object to it. l\Ir. HEARD. But it may sbortm the work of the conference com ( Mr. CANNON. 'fhen I will move-- mittee by agreeing to some of the amendments in the House. Mr. BUTTERWORTH. .Allow me to make a statement. My friend 1\lr. CANNON. Well, if the gentleman from Missouri knows better from Georgia will remember that the gentleman from Illinois [l\Ir. than Ido-- \ C.a....~so.x] was not in the Ilall when this bill came in, and I asked con M:r. HEARD. I do not pretend to know better than you do, but I ~nt that it lie on the table until he should come in, to be called up think that perhaps the House knows at least as much as you do, and by him when be should be in bis place. There was no objection to OUJ.!:ht to be permitted to exercise its judgment on these matters upon that arrangement; consent was given. a knowiedge of what they are. l\Ir. BLOUNT. But the order of the House bad been consummated; Mr. FITHIAN. I call for the regular order. .. and there was a distinct agt"eement that this day should not be inter l\Ir. DOCKERY. I desire to make a suggestion, being a member of' fered with in that wav. the subcommittee that reported the bill-- Mr. CAN~ON. On the contrary, the understanding was express- The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Illinois demands the regular Mr. SPHINGER. I make the point of order that this debate is not oruer. in order. Mr. DOCKERY. Well, ifthe gentleman does not want any sugges The CHAIR~IAN. The motion that the committee rise is not de tion-- batable. Mr. STRUBLE. It is not the gentleman from Illinois on this side Mr. BLOUNT. I deny the construction which the gentleman from of the House who is objecting, bnt the gentleman on the other side. Illinois [Mr. CANNON] places upou the orrler of the House. Mr. CANNON. I am not objecting. The question l>eing taken on the motion of .Mr. CANNON that the Mr. DOCKERY. I desire to suggest to the gentleman from Illinois committee rise, there were-ayes 110, noes 74. that I quite agree with him in bis desire to expedite the consideration So the motion was a.greed to. of the bill in conference. But I do ask that the House shall have the The committee accordingly ro:;e; and the Speaker having resumed privilege to vote upon one of the amendments made by the Senate. I the chair, l\Ir. BURROWS reported that the Committee of the Whole on am not willing, in other words, that the conforence committee shall de the state of the Union having bad under consideration the shipping termine for the House their action a$ to the amendment of the Senate in bill had come to no resolution thereon. reference to the recoining of abraded silver coin and directing the Sec retary of the Treasury to coin the trade-dollar bnllion into standard SUNDRY CIVIL APPROPRIATIO:N RILL. silver dollars. [Cries of "Regular order!"] Mr. CANNON. I desire to ask unanimous consent that the House non !\Ir. CANNON. Just a minute in response-- concur in all.the Senate amendments to the sunrlry civil appropriation Mr. OUTHWAITE. I call for'the regular order. This debate will bill au cl assent to the request ofthe Senate for a conlerence. I make this amount to nothing. proposition alter conference with most of the memhers of the Appro· The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio demands the regular priations Committee and ~pecially with the gentleman from 'l'exas order. If there be no objection the House will resolve itself into Com [Mr. SAYERS~, a memberof the subcommittee that helped prepare the mittee of the Whole House on the state of the Union for the further bill. con,,ideration of the shipping bill. l\Ir. BLOUNT. Mr. Speaker, I object to the request. There was no objection. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Georgia. objects. TIIE SHIPPING BILL. 1\lr. CANNON. I ha>c nothing further to say. The House accordingly resolved itself into Committee of the Whole 1\lr. BOUTELLE (to l\Ir. CA~NON). Can yon not make a motion? Honse on the state of the Union, M:r. BURROWS in the chair. Mr. CANNON. I understood-that is my recollection-that this The CHAIRMAN. The Chair is informed that the gentleman from wonlll be in order pending this special order. The gentleman from Illinois withdraws his amendment to the first section of the bill. Geor~ia, a'3 well as the Speaker, has a different recollection. I may be Mr. OUTHWAITE. I propose the amendment I send to the desk. in error about the matter; I presume I am. 'fhe Clerk read as follows: .l\lr. BLOUNT. The gentleman might have been misled from the Add to section 1: fact tliat tbe understanding, whatever it wa.3, applied only to yester ·•Provided, That the owners of c-very vessel which shall become enlitled to da.v; but to-day we arc operating under the five-minute rule. receive this bounty shall make a. rebate upon their freight charges on all Amer ican products, either of agriculture or manufacture, which are exported in sucli The SPEAKER. The Chair understood that the right with refer vessel equal in amount to 50 per cent. of such bounty; and shall present the re euce to this matter, was reserved for yesterday but not for to-clay; an cl ceipts for such rebate from the shippers of said products to tho Secretary of tho the Chair has so informed the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. CANNON]. Treasury before receiving their bounty." 1\Ir. CANNON. 1\Iay I have unanimous consent to occupy half a Mr. OUTHWAITE. The advocates of this bill, l'ifr. Chairman, have minute? been insisting continually that its purpose was to benefit American pro Mr. BLOUNT. I do not object to the gentleman occupying half ducers ancl turnish them reaclv facilities to the markets of the world. a minute if be will withdraw his proposition at the end oftlrnt time. I have offered the amendment, therefore, in good faith in the hope Mr. CANNON. Unless my half minute is effecti>e I shall be com of perfecting the bill and accomplishing the purpose for which we are pelled to ask for unanimous consent, as I understand. told the bill was draughted-so that there may be no doubt whatever Mr. BLOUNT. Then I do not object to the gentleman going on. that the agricultural people of the country, and tho manufacturers of Mr. CANNON. This bill bas a great many amendments on it; it is the country, who desire to ship their products to forei~n countries upon a very long bill. The deficiency bill bas j nst gone to tbe Senate. We these subsidized ves~els might be induced to do so. They are not using are soon to barn the legislative bill brou::!ht into the House. I am sat .American vessels for this purpose now to any considerable extent, be· isfied that this sundry civil bill can not be settled in one conference; cause, asgentlemenwilldoubtlessremember, tbeCommissionerofNavi that it will have to be reported back to the House upon a ~reat many gation, the man who in bis official capacity advocates the passage of this questions of real difference between the House and tbe Senate. I bill, states officially that in the ports of California there lie for weeks at a deem it important that there should be one conference on this measure time, waiting outgoing cargoes of wheat and other American products, this evening, so that there ma.v be a report to-morrow upon the bill vessels unable to get cargoes, although they are willing to take them and a further conference granted, upon wliich ~onference report there at a less price than the vessels of Great Britain and other foreign coun can be consideration by the House. I make my proposition in the in tries. He states that the foreign vessels, although charging a higher terest of the public busine'3s and to make it reasonably sure that we rate on 1reigbt, sail away weeks before the American vessels can get may be able to complete these important bills in time. carJ:?:oes of American products. Ur. HEARD. Ought not the House to be permitted to say whether Now, let us offer this inducement to the American producers to ship it will concur in some of the amendments or not? in the subsidized vessels. This amendment provides that they shall Ur. CANNON. The House would be permitted to act upon the re receive onc-halfof the bounty as a rebate on freight, and that the vessel port of the conference committee. which is to he subsidized shall present belore receiving this subsidy to Mr. HEARD. Well, woukl it not be better to allolV the House in tbe ~ecretary of the Treasury a receipt for a rebate upon the freight of the first instance to know what the amenrlmentsare beforeitexpresses the American products, equal in amount to one-half of the l>0nn~y its opinion? It may recommend concurrence in some of them. wbicli the subsidized vessel owner is to receive. Mr. CANNON. It is not practicable to consider all of these Senate Mr. GHOSVENOR. Will my colleague yield for a question? amendments in the Committee of the Whole. There are many of them ~lr. OOTHWAITE. Yes. that are trifling and that can be dispo<;ed of in the conference commit Mr. GHOSVENOR. If your amendment is agreed to hy the com tee, and the important ones can be acted upon by the House hereafter. mittee, will you vote for the bill? 1'fr. HEARD. It occurrecl to me that the House ought to he per l\lr. OUTHWAITE. Well, that deµencls upon other provisio11s of mitted to say whether it would agree to certain of the amendments the bill. It does not depend on this amendment alone. It Now, itisquiteapp:irentthat the Commissioner of Navigation had in Mr. BLAND. I offer an amendment to the amendment. mind our high-tariff rates, which make it difficult to get a. return cnrgo, Mr. STRUBLE. I desire to offer an amendment. ( and now, in order to keep the ship afloat, to give it business both ways, Ur. SPRINGEil. Is not there an nmenclment in the second degree he proposes as a reason for this bounty to give the shipowners the already? money with which to buy a cargo. What can my friend from Ohio Mr. BL.AND. I desire to offer an amendment to the amendment. ( [Mr. OUTHW AITE] be thinking of to endeavor to th wart the lofty pur The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Missouri is recognized to poses of the Commissioner of Navigation when be seeks to give the otrei· an amendment. · owners of ships money to buy cargoes with that nobody else will furnish The Clerk read as follows: except themselves? Provided further, That where a~riculturnl prouucts of this country shall bo l\!r. GROSVENOR. Will the gentleman allow me a question? Is shipped on these subsidized vessels and solu or exchanged in foreign countries for any products of such countries the productR of other countries so purchased not that exactly in the line of the idea of warehouse receipts for grain, with agricultural products of this country shall be admitted into our '(>Orts free tobacco, and cotton? of duty, and the Secretary of tho Treasury is authorized and required to make Mr. BLOUNT. Well, Ur. Chairman, if the gentleman proposes to such rules and regulations as may be necessary to carry out this proviso. toy with other questions to divert attention from this, I will not wander JI.Ir. DINGLEY. I make the point of order against that amencl in thnt direction. ment. Mr. GROSVENOR. I did not state that the gentleman was "toy Mr. BLAND. I desire to be heard upon the point of order. ing." It was my colleague who did the "toying"-- Now, Mr. Chairman, on the point of order I desire to say that I 1\fr. BLOUNT. Your colleague from Ohio called attention to the have understood from the beginning that this bill was intended es fuct that this bill, which pretends to be a bill in the interest of the pecially for the benefit of the agricultural community; that that was people of this country, so for from being that, is intended for the favored one of its main objects; that the farmer's case is here being especially few at the expense of the producers of this country. considered, and I am·astonished that my friend from l\Iaine, who ex Mr. GROSVENOR. Will the gentleman allow me to interrupt pects to benefit the shipbuilding interest in his State, shoul Mr. ROGERS. I hold in my hand an article which I desiro to read I call the attention of the gentleman from California to the fact that and which bears directly on this amendment. I-tis taken from the New the bounty which-will be received by the Pacific Mail Steamship Com York World of this morning. I read: pany under this bill amounts, according to this table, to more than TO-DAY IN WASIIINGTOS. $607,000. The House of Representatives will vote at 5 o'clock to-day upon l.110 subsidy Mr. CLUNIE. Will tho gentleman allow me a question? bill, which makes appropriations extending over a. period of nineteen yea.rs. Mr. BLOUNT. Cert:iinly. Estimates differ n.s to the a.mount· involved, but the smallest sum named by the supporters of the measure is ~30,000,000, while well-informed and unbiased Mr. CLUNIE. Does not the gentleman from Georgi::i. understaml statisticians insist that the total will be at least four times as great and will prob that under this bill a. vessel leaving one of our Atlantfo ports will get ably reach S350,000,000. this "pap" not only for the outward voyage, but for the return voyage, A patriotic Republican Representative, ::Ur. IlorKINS, of Illineis, struck the keynote of the objections to the bill yesterday when he said that the promoters while a vessel leaving one of the Pacific ports will receive it only once. were confounded by their own statements. If, n.s they maintain, the shipping Mr. BLOUNT. I understand that a.vessel traveling from San Fran trade of the United 8to.tes can not compete with the heavily subsidized inter cisco to Liverpool, a distance of over 7,000 miles, would receive no ests. of other na~ions, how can it hope to build up a satisfa.ctory merchant marine on l>0unt1es only one-fourth a, large as those paid by Great Britain and bounty. But I think my friend from California. ought not to "want 8pain? the earth.'' If the Pacific Mail Steamship Company is to receive $607,- '£he appropriation of any amount insufficient to place our merchant marine 000 of this money, my friend ought to be i:tmteful to the committee on a plane with those of other nations Mr. Hor.KINS rightly characterized as a sheer waste of money, whose expenditure, instE}ad of accomplishing its avowed for looking so libera.11.v after the interests of that "infant industry" object, would only benefit a few private interests and advance American com out there. merce not 011ejot. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. How much does the Pacific It is a steal pure a.nu simple, backcll by tllCHuntingtons, Goulds, and Cramps, wb.ose paid representatives now in Washington make a swarm of pests such as con.st want? has been unknown since the days of the outrageous Pacific Railroad legislation. l\fr. BLOUNT. I do not know what my friend from California [l>Ir. 'l'herc is great danger that the bill will pass to-day. Added to the influences Cr.uxrn] does want. in its favor brought to bear upon members by the greedy monopolists is the power of Spe!tker REED, who is striving with all his might., for the sake of Port Ur. CLUNIE. I want our vessels to reccirn pay for 14,000 miles land shipbuilders, to make it a party measure. instead of 7,000 miles. Ur. Chairman, the writer of thisarticledoes not know that the Speaker Mr. BLOUNT. But under the bill as now reported the Pacific coas~ of this House is purely and absolutely "nonpartisan." receives nearly one-fourth of the benefits of the mea.cmre. l\Ir. CLUNIE. We ought to have one-half. Despite t.bis formidable combination it is still possible that enough conscien tious Hepublicans will be ready to join a solid Democratic opoosition to defeat .Mr. BLOUNT. I am afraid that if my friend were allowed to ar llic iniquity. - range the bill to suit himself he would take everything for the Pacific Mr. Chairman, the editor of this great paper was once a. member of coast, and would not give these other people any chance. I have no this House, but be did not stay here long enough to become acquainted doubt this matter ha~ been correctly dhided by the committee all with the Republican side of it. around. I think my friend from California ought to be reasonable about this question. I believe my friend from Arkansas [Mr. ROGERS] But will the Democratic opposition be solid? Ominous intimations to the con trary are rife in 'Va~hingtoo. 'Ve can not believe them to be well founded. is also wanting something. No Democratic Representative can afford to be found in the company of these M:r. ROGERS. Of course. banded and branded conspirators. l\fr. BLOUNT. Ile is always look~ng out for Arkansas; he want.i\ Mr. Chairman, somebody ought to rise to a question of personal pri v his State to ha.ve an equal showing. But I trust, in view of the fact iJege. I deny that anybody here is "branded." that California is already getting so much, tho gentleman from Cali None, in our opinion, will fa.ii to appreciate this fact or heed lb.e plain warn fornia will not press his amendment. ing which we mean to convey. [Here the hammer foll.] lf the Republican party is to succeed in its bhameless attempt to rob the peo Mr. SPRINGER. I move to close debate on the amendment and fie for the sole benefit of the Goulds and Huntingtons then let every honest the amendment to the amendment. a~d~~~~! ~Tf tboei~~:~~he Republican party accepts tho entire responsibility l\Ir. CLUNIE. Just one word in reply to the gentleman ffom Georgia l\Ir. Chairman, in conclusion let me say that this amendment and [Mr. BLOUNT]. the amendment of the gentleman from Ohio ought both to be adopted. l\fr. SPRINGER. I will make it two minutes. The Republicans need give themselves no sort of concern about any Ur. CLUNIE. Ur. Chairman, I move to amend the bill now before amendmentrenderingthis bill "ridiculous." They::i.re in the position the Committee of the Whole by striking out the word "seven" before of the ugly fellow who, when about to be hit, was advised by some one the word •' thousand,'' in line 53, page 8, and inserting the word ''four to stand up and take the blow, because be could not be disfigured. te en;" so that it will read: [Laughter.] Provided, That payment in all the foregoing cases shall not be made for more than 14,000 miles. l\Ir. BLOUNT. Mr. Chairman, I desire to oppose the amendment of the gentleman from California [Mr. CLUNIE]. Now, l\Ir. Chairman, I desire to say a. few words to the friends of this Mr. CLUNIE. Oh, I hope not; I do not see how you cn.n. measure, giving the reasons why I ofter this amendment. Mr. BLOUNT. The gentleman from California is laboring under a. This bill purports to have for its object the placin~ of the American misapprehension as to facts. This bill does propose to help the Pa merchant marine eng:i.ged in foreign trade upon an equality with that cific coast. I want to call bis attention to a table to which members of other nations, and, at the same time, it purposes to discriminate of the committee have seen fit to refer us by way of showing the great against the Pacific coll8t Stntes and Territories. Under its provisions a. benefit which this measure is to confer npon the Pacific coast. l\Ir. ship that starts for market from any of the cities of the Atlantic coast Charles N. Felton, who appeared before the committee as the repre or the Gulf States, from the time she leaves for a· foreiI?U port until sentnti>e of the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce, submitted the she returns she draws a subsidy from the Government both in going to following table: and returning from market. On the Pacific con.st, which I have tho houor in part to represent, our ships under this bill would only receive Tonna9e of steamships of tltc Pacific Mail Steaniship Company, number of a. subsidy half way to market, and on their return trips they would miles fravllcd in one year, and mileage pay that woi•ld be ea-med, based on receive it half way back. 30 cents per ton for every 1,000 miles traveled by rnch ~teamsllip. The bill is cunningly frafu.ed in the interests of Eastern shipbuild ers and shipowners. They have carefully figured up and find that giv l\Iiles Rate per :Mileage pay ing a subsidy for 7,000 miles, the market being within that dista.nco Steamships. traveled Ton 1,000miles that would to tho Atlantic ports, they will be receiving Government pa.p all the in one nage. at 30cents be earned in year. per ton. one year. time, while wo on the Pacific cJn.st, our shipowners being 14,000 miles from market, will get the subsidy for only one way. You will therefore see that the Eastern shipowners engaged in the City of Sydney ...... 62, 249. lG 3,016 f904.SO $56, 3'>...3. 04 foreign trado get as much again subsiuy as the Pacific coast ship City of New York...... 53, 949. 'l:1 3,019 905. 70 48, 861. 8.5 City of Rio de Janeiro ...... 58,099.21 3,548 1,064.40 61,810.80 owners. City of Peking ...... 53, 949.'l:'/ 5,079 1,523. 70 82,202.50 In the very title of this bill it speaks about equality, antl yet before City of Para...... 47,465.40 3,552 1,059.00 50,294.34 you read through the first section the inequality of its provisions be Colima...... 42, 204. 65 2,905 871. 50 36, 781.35 Newport...... 47,46.5.40 2, 733 820.50 38, 945.36 comes apparent to all. No Representative on this iloor who believes Colon ...... 47, 66.5. 40 2,685 805. 50 38,233.33 in this kind oflegisla.tion can afford to vote against the amendment I GranadRo ...... :...... 40,456.87 2,572 771.00 31,216.52 have proposed, unless ho is an enemy to the shipowners on the Pacific Acapulco ...... 38, 967.45 2,572 771. 60 30, 007. 28 San .Tos6 ...... 42, 204.65 2, 180 G.3!.00 27, 601. 81 coast. San Illas ...... 44,425. 93 2,180 654.00 29, 054. 57 My State has a line of several hundred miles of seacoast, washed by the San Juiin ...... 37, 170. 77 2,076 622.80 23, 149. 9G waters of the Pacific Ocean, which, with the great States of Orerron and Starbuck ...... 31,438.31 2, 157 647.10 20,343. 73 South Carolina ...... 8, 061. 01 2,099 62'.>. iO 5,076.0i W n.shington, extends from British America on the. north to l\1exic~ on the Olytle ...... 18,895.10 2,016 004.80 11, 4'l:1. 76 south, and forms the western boundary of the country. Why should Crescent Oily ...... 11, 797.78 2,003 1300.90 7,089.28 these great States be discriminated against in legislation that the friends City of Panama ...... ----19, 9!-1.82 ---11------1------1,490 447.00 8,915.83 of this measure claim is for the benefit of ourwhole country? From Total ...... 607,424. 93 our broad and fertile valleys during the dark days of the rebellion we furnished the bread to keep your soldiers from starving, and we are 3480 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. :FEBRUARY 27, capable to-day of not only furnishing bread, but the finest fruits and Ithe advocates of the l\IcKinley bill claim to despise. I will not, in the wines sufficieut to supply the world. From our mountains filled with brief time allotted to me, attempt to compare this country with Great inexhaustible wealth, we dug hundreds of millions of dollars in gold I Britain, the mistress of the sea. That country proper could almost and silver with which the credit acd honor of the nation was main- be stowed away in one of the counties of my State, but the British pos ~ I tained; when you levied the direct tax a~ainst my State, it cheerfully sessions extend all over the world; it is said th.it the sun never sets \ paid every dollar of it; when you increased our tariff taxes to war rates, upon Her Majesty's dominions, and a necessity exists for keepinf! up I we continued to pay them twenty-five years after the war was ended, water communication, as it is the only way that commercial inter and are now payiu~ higher tariff taxes than ever before; when the course can be carried on among the different countries under the juris lamented Lincoln asked us to advance money toward the suppression diction of Great Britain. of the rebellion, we did so in common with other States to the tune of I shall not discuss the reasons for the decline of American shipping, several millions, not one dollar of which has been repaid to the Pacific as it has already been demonstrated to the House that the tariff laws States by the General GoYernment. Although the war ended more passed by a Republican Congress are responsible. I can only say as a than a quarter of a century ago, and all the other States have been Democrat, believing firmly in Democratic principles, that I am op paid by tbe Government, California, Oregon, and Nevada have ·never posed to taxing the people for the benefit of private parties or corpora been paid a dollar for the advances tltey then made, and yet our loy- tions. I would give my support to a bill carefully drawn, having for alty has never been questioned. its objects the establishment of mail routes between our ports and for- In the matter of appropriations for coast defenses, rivers ancl bar- E:ign countries, and would be willing that the Postmaster-General bors, and necessary public buildings the East has received dollars from should enter into contracts for carrying the mails by rapid transit at the Government where we have r~ceived cents. The great city of San prices just and equitable. I also believe in what is called the naval Francisco is without a post-office building; appropriations for the reserve, as I understand it, the building of steamships under the su cities of Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego, aufl other cities have been perintendence of the Secretary of the Navy. These vessels would not denied us. only carry the mails regularly and rapidly, but could be transferreil When you take all these things into consideration it does seem to into ships of war and used by the Government whenever it became me as if the American Congress bad a grudge against the Pacific coast. necessary. Our taxes to the General Government amount to sixteen millions an- A bill of this kind carefully drawn, not in the interest of steamship nually, or a per capita tax upon every man, woman, and child in the owners but in the interest of the Government, would receive my snp State of$13.:i3. The worst feature of the tariff taxes thnt we pay to port. Then, on bills of this character before Congress, I am intormcu the General Government is, that it bears hea.viest upon the poor peo- by those who onght to know. that the scale of prices named in the list ple, wboare least able to pay them. on which the niails should he carried are excessive; and yet I sl10uld In State taxation 'WI are assessed in accordance with the value of much preJer to vote for a bill to allow the Government to enter into our property. The tariff tax is based upon what we eat, drink, and contracts for carrying the mails even at higher prices than to vote wear. Gud has blessed the poor people with good appetites, and it for a general sub3idy bill which will take from the Government :fi:3UO, can be shown that a poor man's contribution to the General Govern- OU0,000 if time is allowed. ment is equal to that of a millionaire. I believe a bill can be framed to increase our mail service, estahlish • Mr. CO LEMA~. Will.the gentleman permit a question? ocean routes between our country and forei~n ports, and increase onr Mr. CLUNIE. Yes, sir. naval reserve that will be satisfactory to both sides of this Cham her. l\lr. COLEMAN. Will the gentleman vote for the bill if the amend- In doing this, however, the Democratic party will support no bill which ment prevails? . . . permits excessive charges to be exacted from the Government. If we Mr. CLUNIE. I will consuJer it. [Laughter.] are forced to vote on this measure without the proper consideralion, If we get just.ice to my State and to my coast I will certainly give I shall vote to substitute the postal hill for the suhsidy bill. the bill a calm and careful considerat~on. [Laughter.] Twenty-five thousand men own more than half the wealth of this Mr. COLEMAN. What we want is votes; we have had considera- country, yet our population is nowupwardsof6:3,000,000. Thesqbsidy tion for a lont? time. bill under consideration and kindred legislation bas done mnch to pro- Mr. CLUNIE. If my amendment prevails I will consider the bill duce this result. We should take warning from the lessons of the past. carefully, and if the bill is right, if it is just to the masses who are Ancient Rome, Persia, and oth~r countries met their downfall hy rob caller1 upon to pay the taxes from which these subsidies are to be paid, bing the many for the benefit of the few. Class legislation will bring and if I find it in accordance with the eternal principJeq of Democracy about the same result to our own magnificent Republic. I will give it my support. [Applause on the Democratic side.] Able and distinguished Heprtsentatives on the floor of this House _ l\1r. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Let me ask the gentleman have shown that no evil complained of will be remedied by the passage from California a question. of this bill. It will, however, add greatly to the unrdens of the com- l\1r. CLCJN1E. Certainly. mon people, who are patient and l1>ng·suffering, but who, if you con- Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. If the Pacific slope is to be tinne to oppress them, will one day rise in their might and crush you. put on an equality witq the Atlantic coast and the Gulf States, where I ask yon to pause and reflect before you give your support to this un- do the interior States come in? [Langhter.] wholesome and unjust measure. Mr. CLUNIE. They are iike the boy that fell out of the balloon; The distinguished gentleman from Georgia fMr. BLOUNT] bas always they are not in it. [Laughter.] My friend from Louisiana asked me been the friend of California. He is a just man and I know upon re if I would vote for this bill if my amendment prevails. I consider the flection he will vote for my amendment. · bill one of the greatest steals of the nineteenth century, anrl yet if this I regret, Mr. Chairman, that in the hrief time allotted to me I can legislation is to b~ fastened on the country, I want our shipowners to not discuss the bill more in detail, yet I feel, after it bas been so tbor ii;ct their share, which induced me to offer this amendment. I have oughly discussed in this House, that I can not add to what bo.s been listened attentively to the speeches made on this subject, and from all so ably said. Speaking for myself, I feel that should I give my sup ! can gather the proposition involves an outlay by the Government, port to this bill I would regret it to my dying day. Feelin ,~ so, I am dnringthe life of the bill, of $300,000,000, which is to be taken from the bound to oppose it. [Great applause on the Democratic side.] pockets of the people and given to a few steamboat men and shipowners. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the motion of the If this is not class legislation, I would like to know what is. If this · gentleman from Illinois to close debate. is not robbing the many for the benefit of the few, it will be haru to The. question was taken; and the Chairman decided that it was re- frame a bill having that for its object. jected. You have subsidized the manufacturers by increasing the tariff, you Mr. SPRINGER. Mr. Chairman, there was a misunderstanrling as havsJ?;iven bounties to the sugar producers; in this bill you propose to the vote here. I understood the Chair to be putting the question to take care of the stenmboatmen and shipowners, all to be done at on the amendment to the amendment proposed by the gentleman the expense of the toiling masses. Suppose a farmer, a merchant, a from Arkansas. · mechanic, or a laborin~ man ot any kind would come to Congress and The CHAIRMAN. The Chair stated the question distinctly, but say: "I am en~a~e rl in business; I find that the profits derived from my the committee are in such a disorderly condition iii is impossible for bm1iness or my daily wages are not satisfactory; I want you to pass the Chair to make himself beard. The Chair will again submit the a law that will permit me to go to the Treasury of the United States, motion. present a certificate that I am so engaged, and draw enough money to Mr. GROSVENOR. I hope the gentleman from I11inois will not close satisfy me." Wbat woald you think? You would say he was crazy. the debate for a minute or two. But it seems to me that the legislation desired by him is on all fours Mr. SPRINGER. I will change my motion to close debate in five with the bill now pending. lt is conceded by the friends of the bill minutes. that it will not cheapen freigbts, that not one cent will be saved to The motion was agreed to. the prod acing classes who furnish the bulk of our exports in the way Mr. GROSVENOH.. Now, I only objected to closin~ debate to the of freights. end that, after the statement of the gentleman from California [Mr. By the ~foKinley bill you have given notice to the world that you CLUNIE] that the whole effect ot this bill will be to discriminate U.!!:ainst want no commercial intercourse with out.side countries, and yet you the shipping on the Pacific coast, somebody in char,!!e of the hill, and pro-pose in this bill to increase the taxes of our already overburdened with a. full knowledge of its provisions and effect, might answer t.he people to build ships and steamboats, to build up foreign trade, which statement. Because I would not vote for the bill if it is open to the 1891.' CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3481 objection urged, and which I understand to be true on the statement bill are apparently typographically incorrect. In the copy I hold it of the gentleman from California. reads "in tons, weight." How does it read in the bill from which the Mr. CLUNIE. It is true. Clerk is reading? Mr. DINGLEY. Mr. Chairman, I bacl supposed the chairman of The Clerk read as follows: the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries had made an expla freight on board nt the time of sailing to the amount, in ton weight. nation as to why this limitation of 7,000 miles was fixed as the mile age on which tlrn bounty should ae:t. The reason is simply this: This Ur. FARQUHAR. That is correct. bill provides for a bounty upon the mileage made during the time in Mr. ROGERS. Before the debate begins, let us see what the amend· which a vessel is sailing. Vessels making long voya~es are in port ment is. 'Ve could not hear the amendment at all. but a short time, comparatirnly. For instance, a ve!'>sel engaged in The CHAIR~1AN. No amendment was offered. It was simply an trade between San Francisco and Liverpool would be in port in the inquiry on the part of the gentleman from New York as to the printof course of a year but two or three, or perhaps at most four times. the bill. Now, wben a vessel is in port it is earning nothinl,!. It is ouly while Mr. ROGERS. What is now pending before the House? sailin~ that it is productive. These >essels making longvoyaJ!eS an Mr. SPINOLA. Mr. Chairman-- mails, be entitled to rocoive pa.ymentunder this act unless it shall haV"e freight 'BERT. Mr. Chairman, I wish to reply to the gentleman, on board at the time of sailing to the a.mount, in tons' weiJrht or measure- Mr. HE[... ment, of at least 25 per cent. of the net oa.rgo capacity, 2,0!0 .Pounds, or 40 the chairman of the committee. cubic feet, to mako a ton of cargo. Mr. SPINOLA. My friend from Alabama, in his lastfi.vo minutes' In other words, under the provisions of this act, no vess~l is to get speech, again o.lluded to the farming interests of the country and what this subsidy except a vessel of 16 knots speed or a vessel carrying the they pay. He forgets that the State of New York is paying her mil- mails of the United States, unless it carries one-fourth of a cargo. lions for the benefit of the agricultural interests of this country; he There can be no doubt that this is the meaning of the langnnge. for;.?;ets that the State of New York is spending over $1,000,000 a Tl.ta gentleman sought to defend the section by saying that the year to make her canals free to the products of the West, so that they swift steamers plying between New York nnd Liverpool frequently may be brought cheaply to tho seacoast and thence transported to di!~ carried no freight at all and only passengers. This act, however, gives ferent ports of the world. Yes, sir; itcoststheStateofNewYorkovcr them a subsidy whether they carry a pound of freight or a single pas a million a year to run her canals and keep them in repair. That ex- senger. That is the precise proposition I wanted to make; and I de penditure is for tho benefit of the agricultural interests of the West, sire the House to understand this proposition; that the aubsidy is and not for our own benefit, because agriculture on a large sea.le has given and the limitation fixed and the exceptions made so as to en almost ccac;ed in onr State. able these ships to charge just as high rates for freight as their com- Under the act of July 2, 18G2, the Government donated to the sev- petitors. . oral States 9, 570, 000 acres of the public land. And for what was this In other words, except in certain cases as to one-fourth of her cargo, clone? This vast donation. ofland was madeto the States "for the en- there is no compulsion upon them at all to take freight or passengers. dowment, support, and maintenance of at -least one college" in each There is nothing said, no word whatever, about passengers. They can State "where the leading object shall be to tench such hranches of do as they please about it. And I said that the gentleman from Alaine, learning ns are related to agriculture and the mechanic arts.'' The who interrupted me, was ono of those who declared on this floor that object was to teach young men how to farm, how to derive the greatest it was not the intention of this bill to have freights carried more cheaply advantages from the culture of the soil. Yet the interest of New York than they are carried now; and these limitations provided in this sec in the pending bill is to be pushed aside because the city of New York, tion, mndesocarefully,showthattbatpowerisleftand intended to be left through some of her represcntati ves, bas unacrtn.kcn to ask this with the beneficiaries under this bill, so that they may charge precisely House-- the same rates or charge just as high rates as their competitors charge. Mr. BLAND. How much land has been given to Jay Gonld and And the question for this body to determine is, will gentlemen vote for Huntington? this suhsidy under these circnmstances? Mr. SPINOLA. And yoq nre one of 1..he gentlemen who helped to That is all there is of it. That is a plain statement of the case. I give it. do not ofier a motion to amend the bill in this respect. I simply desire Mr. BLAND. That is not true. I was not here; I had nothing to that gentlemen shall know what they are voting for, that they shall do with it. understand the meaning of this section when they pass this bill. Of Mr. SPINOLA. If you were not here I do not know why you were course it means just what it was intended to mean. The gentlemen not. You have beeu here as long o.s I can remember. who framed it knew that full well. Mr. BLAND. I was not in Congress at t~e time. . [Here the hammer fell.] l\Ir. SPINOLA. Very well, then; I take 1t back. The donation to .Mr. KERR of Iowa. Gentlemen on the other side of the House havo which I have j?-st referred was given by Congr~s-not by any one spoken at various times in this discussion about the position of the Re party-because it was supposed to be for the best rnterest of our com-1 publican party on the question of building up our merchant marine. As mon country. . . a Republican I wish to say tbat I am bound to support a shipping bill. l\'Ir .. BL~D. It was a. good deal like this measure, the same sort Our platform adopted in 1888 declares that- of legislation...... 'Ve earnestly recommend prompt action be taken by Congress in theenact- Mr. SPINOLA. I do not allow any one m1.hv1dual lI1 this great com- ment of such legislation n.s will best secure the rehabilit:i.tion of the American munity: of 65,000,000 people to cause me to Joee my sleep at night by merchant marine. thinking a.bout him. And, Mr. Chairman, in harmony wlth that declaration and in com- This liberal subsidy to which I have referred amounted to $1.25 an pliance with it this proposition is presented by the majority of thecom acre, or Sll;9GZ,500 for the endowment and maintenance of agricnl- mittee representing tLieRepublican side of this House, and as aRepub· turnl colleges. That is all ri~ht. I would vote for su~h a measure lican I am in favor of its adoption, r.s the only legislation which it is to-day if it were pre:::ented to me as it was presented to the members possible to pass nt this session in compliance with tbe pledges of tho who passed that bill. I believe in measures of that sort. But I do not party. believe in "putting all your eggs into one basket." There are other I believe that it is necessary in order to secure a strong and patriotic interests in this country besides these educational interests which have marine force, out of which, in case of necessity in times of war, we received thousands and thousands of acres of the public lands. ·we could organize a naval force for our defense to encourage our foreign have now another interest claiming consideration, an interest repre- commerce and our American merchant marine. I would rather, ns a sented by the great city of New York, through her merchants, who I means of s'!curing strength, pay men to be engaged in active ser\"ice claim understand this question better than men who have never seen promotingtheartsofpencethantopaythemforremainingin idleness as n seaboard city in their lives and who, perhaps, some of them, never bas been done by large appropriations for a Navy, for which we have at will. present no use and will not have in this age. Why, sir, in 1841 Congress passed an net providing that each State The Democratic party during the last Administration in one year coming thereafter into the Union should receive 500,000 acres of tlic voted $12,000,000 to build large ships. public lands for the development of internal improvements within the These ships will rot upon the ocean and will in twenty years from States. Was not thnt a subsidy? If not, I do not know what the now be entirely worthless. But if we spend half that sum of money meaning of the word ''subsidy'' is. each year to encourage men to engage in commerce, we will have a Gentlemen havo tried to crack the political lash over certain mcrn- better security for strong defense in case of war by having a strong bcrs in this House. Now, I do not allow any mnn on the face of tho merchant marine than by the a:loption of their method. And for that earth to be the judge of my Democracy. Uy Democracy is as old, al- reason, also, I am in favor of this bill as being the best bill that we can most, as the hills; and, sir, it has never had a limit-- get, which has been adopted after full consideration by our committee. l\Ir. FITHIAN. I fear it is not of a very good kind. The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. HorKL"'\S], in tho course of his J\fr. SPINOLA.. Very well; I trust that when you get to be ns old remarks yesterday, informed us that in the last twelve years we lrJ.ve as I am you may h:1Yo as clean a record as a party man as I have. I s{)ent $2G5,000,000 on onr Navy, and since the war we hnve spent many do not submit my record to yoa. You are not old enough nor have hundred millions in building ships that nrc now utterly worthless. you experience enough or general knowledge enough on gnmt ques- And it would have been much better, much more prudent, and a hetter tions of this kind to instruct me as to what my duty is. promise of security to spend a large portion of that money in enconr- [IIere tbe hammer fell.] agement of our merchant mll!'ine and would besides have contributed l\Ir. HERBERT an a matter of judgment and conviction of duty. Not only is it true that The CHAIRl\IAN. The time for debate upon this amendment is no man outside of this Chamber, nor yet a Representative on this floor, exhausted. has spoken to me about this bill to induce a change of opinion; but it .Mr. BOWDEN. I move to strikeoutthelastword. Mr. Chairman, t- is equally true that no lobbyists have appro.iched me even by words in the course of this debate a good deal has been said by gentlemen on of flattery or blan1lishment or any other kind of words calculated to the other side about the Pacific l\lail Steamship Company and a good carry me in favor of this or any other bill against my honest jurlgment deal about "lobbies." The impression is sought to be created that this since I have been a member of Congress. Every act I have done on bill is somewhat of lJ. sectional bill. I ro~e to say, Mr. Chairman, that the floor of this House has been a matter of deliberate judgment, and I have run across this "lobby" somewhat, and it is just such a lobby no man in corning yeara shall stand up here with my consent an I insist that if we are going to grant these liberal subsidies we ought Mr. STRUBLE. I mean, and I think that is the effect of tho pro to give the people of the United States a chance as well as the people posed amendment, that the opera.tors of ships should be disconnected of .foreign countries. My amendment simply provides that not only I from tho transportation for which they may receive bounty. \ the officers of these vessels, but also one-lJ.alf of the crew, shall be Amer Mr. l\IILLIKEN. Will the gentleman yielcl for a q ucstion? \ ican citizens. Certainly, if these ships are to be built and run upon Mr. STRUBLE. Certainly. '1 money supplied from the public Treasury, we ought to have the full Mr. MILLIKEN. Doesnottbegcntlemauknowthis, that it iscom privilege of providing that at least one-bn.lf of the crews (assuming that mon for the owners of a vessel to buy a cargo in order to get something they are to be benefited by this bill) shall be American citizens. But to carry, to make freight for the vessel? Docs he not know, in other it seems that the parties who framed this bill intended that the officers words, that they often find their vessel in port.with no cargo, and rather should be .American citizens, while all the other benefits should go to than keep the ship waiting, purchase a cargo themselves and take it foreigners. forward for sale. I stand lJ.ere for the American citizen, and I insist that this is a l\Ir. STRUBLE. I have no doubt whate\er of that. proper amendment. Certainly, when these ships are to be built a.nd Mr. DINGLEY. Your amendment would forbid it. managed at the expense of the public Treasury, and furnished with l\Ir. STRUBLE. But if we arc to pay bounties to shipowners I money to buy cargoes, it is only proper that one-half of tho people who think we should provide against any such transactions as this, and not are to man these ships should beAmericancitizens. We want to begin let the commerce belongin(l' to the parties-the shipowners them at once the education of our people in this direction. Gentlemen tell selves-come in for the benefits which this act would confer bn other us that we must prepare for war, and we ought to prepare at once, as classes. rapidly as we can, for really it appears that we are going to havo war. Mr. l\IILLIKEN. But suppose I have a thotlsand tons of coal that The gentleman from Ohio came over here some time ago and notified I want to send forward, and I own a ship that is ~oing to where I me gravely, as I understood him, that they had doubled the guards on want to send my con.I; am I not to be privileged to ship that coal in the outside of this House to keep out the lobbyists. Therefore I ha.ve my own ship, or must I hunt around and find somebody else's ship to Yentured at this late day to take the floor for the purpose of making carry it for me? these few remarks in behalf of American citizens. Ur. STRUBLE. No; you can ship itinyourownsbip, butyoutake [Here the hammer fell.] no bounty money for it. Mr. BOUTELLE. I would like to know whether the gentleman l\Ir. MILLIKEN. That would be an act of injustice to me us a ship from Arkansas is in favor of providing that one-half the merchandise owner. Or again, I might bo only a part owner of a ship, have only a consumed by the American people shall be manufactured by .American small interest in it. citizens. l\Ir. STRUBLE. But some person gets tho bounty. Tbe CHAIRM.AN. Debate is exhausted. Mr. :MILLIKEN. Ab, but tho ship gets the bounty. I may be only The question being taken on the ameuclment of l\fr. OUTHWAITE, it one of twenty or more who own an interest in the ship; and this would wns agreed to. exclude me from shipping my own goods on a ship in which I am in The question recurred on the amendment of Mr. Roa Ens. terested. Mr. COLEMAN". The amendment of the gentleman from Arkansas Mr. STRUBLE. The owners of the ship should be entirely discon pro•ides that the officers and one-half the crew shall be American cit nected from the question of tho tonnage of the ship. I thiuk tlie izens. I propose to amend the amendment so as to add, ''without regard amendment is suOlciently explicit in tha.t regard. to race, color, or previous condition." l\Ir. SANFOHD. Mr. Chairman; on the great question before us I Mr. ROGERS. That is right. clesire to occupy the time of the House for a few minutes only. Gen l\lr. COLEMAN. You accept that? tlemen on the other side deprecate tho national support of a marine of Mr. ROGERS. I accept it. our own; they talk about "private pur.:iuits," as though navigation The CHAIRMAN. The modification proposed by the gentleman was not a public interest and a concern of the utmost importance to from Louisiana [Mr. CoLITTIAN] will be made a pnrt of the original the whole people. They seem to have forgotten the saying of Jeffer motion of the gentleman from Arkansas. The question is on agreeing son, that ''agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation con to the amendment as modified. stitute the four pillars of our prosperity." They look abroad auu sco l\fr. DINGLEY. I hope that amendment will not be adopted, be all the nations of the world manifesting the deepest solicitude to gain cause it woulcl be contradictory of the remaining part of the section. and keep foe sea with shipping; using every means to exalt their rank Mr. MILLIKEN. In addition to that, it would be impracticable; and extend their power, many of them at the expense of the United entirely impracticable. States, and yet they turn to us and say there is nothing in naviga The question was taken on the amendment as modified; ancl there tion, nothing in American trade tbat calls for the expenditure or a were-ayes GS, noes ()7. single cent to gain the one aud keep the other occupation. Mr. ROGERS. Let lli! ha•e tellers. They do not even rebuke the efforts of foreign nations to r.onquer 1\Ir. KERR, of Iowa. I ask unanimous consent that a Yote bo taken our commerce and subjugate our shipping. But they look on con in the House on this amendment. tented with humiliation a.nd defeat, resolved that not a dollar of pub· :Mr. ROGERS. I nm perfectly willing to agree to that. lie money shall ever interpose a binurance to the acquisitive plans and Mr. DINGLEY. I object. aggressi•e course of Grea.t Britain, by which she seeks to monopolize The CHAIRMAN. Obj~ction is made, and the question is on orucr the sea, that she may control the traffic of the world, and govern the ing tellers. world itself. Great Britain is responsible for the subsidy policy which Tellers were ordered. gentlemen bold in such abborence, while England smiles at their prej l\Ir. ROGERS and :Mr. DINGLEYwere appointed tellers. udice and stubbornness. But for this policy nnd its adoption abroad, ·The committee again divided; and the tellers reported-yeas !J2, to our hurt aud ruin, our friends on the other side have no words of noes 69. hate or bitterness. It is only its adoption here, here, where it will So the amendment as modified was adopted. [Applause on the do our country good, that. they contest its application. 'Democratic side.] To adopt this policy here, to "rehabilitate" our ocean marine, is to l\Ir. STRUBLE. Now, l\Ir. Chairman, I dcEire to offer the following assert our rights at sea, to advance our arts and trades at home and amendment, to be known as section 4. cause our commerce to grow abroad, to increase our wealth and aug The Clerk read as follows: ment our power everywhere, and to acquire tho means of national de SF.C. 4. It shall be unlawful for any \essel claiming tonnage under this acL to fense, independence, and peace. Do gentlemen disregard these things? receive and transport as part of her cargo any merchandise whAt.soever except such as is clearly stated in the ship's manifest, all of which shall be bona fide It is true, if wo adopt this policy we undertake to figl!t England with shipments from consignors to consignees in the usual course of trade, an land of free homes and happy, prosperous people. The severest blow I clo not sav this to disparacre0 the grand old Jack who never quniled at England and all other foreign rivals is to make America great, in the hour of peril. whose manly spirit wrestled with fierce gales strong, free, pure, and prosperous. This can best be done by honest, and an~ryseas; who gazed nnfilnchingly on the terrors of the warring light felt, economical government, low taxes, no bounties nor farnrs, elcmentcs· whose face wa.s bronzed by every sun and scarred by the and a freer commerce. An intelligent people, once humbugged, now cruel wi~ds of every sea; who despised every hardship; whose heart only laugh at. ranting'' spell-binders," the fake conjurers of interna was as warm as his body was strong; who carried our flag ~o every tional spooks, and the circus-poster proclamations of trade circulars port and our commerce to every mart without bounty or subsidy; the against lower tariffs. brave and sta.lwart army of a. commerce which begged no invidious This old piece of political theatrical property ought to go to the favors, bullied legi!:!latures for no nnjust tribute, and feared to dare lumber room with the bloody shirt. [Renewed laughter.] You wanted no rival in world-wide competition. llrave Jack, your place on the 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3489 rolling top bas been made subordinate to that of the grimy, naked and yet the American, if he could be relieved of the power and influ mau down in the big coal bin. They have even taken away the cheer ence of the foreign vessel, might make the difference between cost·, ing "tot" of rum, and the philanthrophic gods look with misgivings freight, and duty, and selling price. That is, in Colombia, $29.20- on your faithful pipe, the only solace to your overwrought feelings, as $4. 73, $4.tiO, $2.50, or $15.37 profit, and in Brazil 59.25-$4. 73, $1.10, you see on onr coast the grand old ships of other days cut down and 40 cent.a, or $3.02 per barrel profit over present price. converted into ignoble coal barges. Long may you linger yet on our It is to get this difference for this country by the course of tmde that great coast and inland seas! this bill in part is proposed. Now, by the course of trade it goes to Uy distinguished and very able friend from New York [Mr. Frrcrr] the English merchant and English shipper, because the great line of spoke yesterday of the decadence of the number of French sailors under ocean traffic fromNewYork is not direct to the South American States, the bounty. The reason for that is just what I am stating, although but to London or Europe and then to these states. I agree with his general conclusions that bounties have injured rather These figures may not be exact, but they are the best that I could thau aided France. As the French Government paid the bounty steam obtain, and if not entirely reliable they are at least approximations, ships increased, and as steamships increm;ed the number of sailor men and give an idea of the terrible disadvantage at which the farmer and decreased. producer of this country is plaeed, because the carrying trade of the You will not fake a waif out of nu American coast city, you will not country is in other bands. Return our mercban t marine to the se:l by take your poetic boy off the farm and make a sailor of him by this bill. any methods recognized amongst the nations and you resuscitate an You will not, under existing conditions, float the American flag over industry which has always been one of t·he most beneficial to our peo an additional ship built for subsidy. Fifty hours after you take away ple; not only to the particular persons engaged therein, but to the the bounty you are going to pay great sums for old prehistoric Noah's hundred diversified industries which are interwoven therewith from arks that disgrace rather than glorify the flag, and in my opinion you the humblest toiler to the highest, and from the immediate seaboard to are going to enter upon the suicide of republican government in America. the deepest recesses of our inland coal caverns, oaken peaks, and prairie~ It is un-Amcrican, it is unrepublica.n, it is unfair, it is unjust for gen of grain. tlemen in the closing hours of this Congress to hand the key of the The matter might well be examined through all the subjects of Treasury, which contains the hard-earned, toil-stained money of the trade. This is the situation in regard to flour from actual figures, and American people, to the men who are rearing a bastard ''aristocracy" I only regret that I am not able to give those which relate to wheat, under the flag of which you prate so mncb. [Prolonged applause on the rye, oats, corn, pork, bacon, lard, everything which enters into com Democratic side.] merce with the ports of South America. Let me say to my Demo Mr. BERGEN. Mr. Chairman, the gentleman who has just taken cratic friends, so long as they insist that England shall mistress the his seat [Mr. McADOO] has entered upon a course of advice in this mat seas with her ~reyhonnds and freight ships, so long they are dead ter of truckling to England. I am not astonished that he feels a lit not only to patriotic instincts, but to the toiling mi1Iions on our broad tle sensitive upon this subject. Throughout the long argument which acres, in our shops, and on the seas. he made upon this floor a few days ago there was, it seems to me noth We need the regular line as distinguished from tlle tramp of im ing that may be called American. pulse and necessity; we need the shorter route of direct communica He then undertook to review the causes of the present condition of tion, and no London half-way station to fix prices. 'Ve want the con our foreig:n carrying trade, assigning it mainly to the tariff, but con stant market, the certainty of sale, of demand, of transport with our cluding that it was not worth preserving. According to him, what we certainty of supply. It is these things we have not now got and want in this country is to let the Englishman carry our foreign com which this bill in its operation will furnish. merce, and undertake none of it for ourselves because he outstrips us. Mr. BLAND. Mr. Chairman, the other day when the agricultural I cau not now go through his whole review of the situation. It is not bill was under consideration I alluded to this bill in connection with the purpose for which I asked recognition. I rose to show just one the gentleman from Kansas [l\Ir. FuxsTO:N]. I had been informed by particular fact, and that in contradiction of his statement, or inquiry gentlemen around me that be voted against the resolution of M:r. rather, as to who is to get the benefit of the increase of foreign traffic 8PRINGER to take up the option bill instead of this bill. On au exam which is to con!e from this bill. I desire, Mr. Chairman, to call at ination of the RECORD, I find that I did the gentleman an injnstice; tention to the conditions of the markets, and that it is undertaken by that he voted to take up the option bill and in favor of Mr. SPfilNGER's this bill to put these into the hands of the American farmer, the Amer motion. I regret having made the statement, l\Ir. Chairman, as it did ican producer, the American manufacturer, and the American laborer. the gentleman from Kansas [Mr. FUNSTo:x] a great injustice, and I The object of this bill pre-eminently is to open the markets of South take this occasion to make this statement. America to this country. Whatever else may be said in regard to the I now yield to the gentleman from Georgia [l\Ir. BLOUNT]. bill, and the arguments are numerous in its favor, the point I wish Mr. BLOUNT. The amendment which is pending, offered by the to emphasize in the little time I have, is the fact that the markets gentleman from Iowa, provides that the owner of a. vessel shall not of South America are clearly beyond the markets of Europe, or of the have any interest in the cargo, except as a carrier. I wish the commit United States, and that the effort by this bill is to reach those mar tee would give its attention to the purposes of this measure as ex kets. I can not do this better than by particular illustrations. Take pounded by the Commissioner of Navigation. Let us see what his the subject of flour. Michael Scanlan, Chief of the Bureau of Statis theory of this subsidy is. • tics, Department of State, gives me this communication: He says: REPUBLIC OF COLOMBIA. In this connection it is importrmt that the bounty to be paid shall be put at the Forty d :>Ila.rs per barrel is the price of flour a.long this coast, a grenter portion command of vessel owner~. so that it shall avail in the purchase of a part or the of which is customs duties. (Consul Vifquain, Ra.rra.nquilla., July 6 1887,) In whole ofa. cargo. 'Ve should look to the cha.nee!\ of converting shipowners of 18S7, there was exporled to Colombia 74,875 barrels of American flou~, valued at our own into merchants of our own. 'Ve should not expect to carry princi our customs at $.'353,171, or $4.73 per barrel. pally for the merchants of foreign nations, for all these, if they have not their In 1887 the Colombian dollar was worth 73 cent!;! American. This woulcl own ships, ha~e close business connections with the shipowners of their own make this flour worth in Colomhia$29.20 in gold, an increase of $24.•7 per bRrrel nation, and they will give the preference to their own flag. from the time it left our customs nntil it was sold In Colombia. Now, the amendment of the gentleman from Iowa is met by the BRAZIL. declaration of the Commis~ioner of Navigation tbnt even with this bill In Brazil the retail selling price of the best brands of Richmond flour is 11:us per bnrrel.-L. J, Benninyton, United 8tates con11ul. • Rio Gran de do 8ul, Decem we do not expect to carry the merchandise of foreign nations at all. ber 20, 1889. It is a dreamy conclusion to suppose that this subsidy will do this. The :~Jue of the flour exported to Brazil in 18S9, as clecltu·ed nt our customs, These merchants expect to transport their products under their own Wl\S~.1<>. '.rhe ofUcinl values of American flour, customs Yaluation, imported into Eng fla!?, and therefore, to enable these ships to keep afloat, you must give land and Rio de Janeiro in 1889 were as follows: In England, ~.79; 1888, in Br>\· them money with which they can buy cargoes of their own. Care zil, extreme quotations in Rio de Janeiro, $5.o.5 to SU.81; mean quota.Lions, $8.43 fully, accurately, distinctly, yJur Commissioner of Navigation, your per barrel. great advocate of this measure, puts this purpose to the House and to In addition to this, the Rio News of Januar.v 27, 1891, in its price the country. Therefore the amendment of the gentleman from Iowa, curreut, quotes flour, Richmond grade, at $9.25 to $9.37, making the which looks somewhat to other interests of the countr.v than these, wi11, change of currency. in the opinion of the Commissioner of Navigation, make it an nliter fail Now, the rate of freight by existing line from New York to Colom ure, because you must make our shipowners not only shipownera, but bia is $2.50 per barrel, and to Brazil $1.lO·per barrel. The tariff or themselves merchants. duty on flour is stated in the reports to be in Colombia. $2.30 per hun This is the theory upon which you are io build up our commerce. dredweight, and in Brazil 20 cents per hundredweight. Let nobody make any mistake about it. Either carry out this policy The opponents of this bill, whenever they have touched ou the sub or abandon it. If you do not do this, this subsidy that you are giving ject, have stated that the price in London has i·egulated the price in to these ships is a pure gratuity, and no good can come from it. .Mr. New York for all export purposes. This is evidently because England, Chairman, I wish in the little tim'3 I have left to call attention to the from her immense carrying traue, has become the practical entrepot of fact that we have now in our coasting trade more tonna~e than Ger the world. many or France, with their combined coasting and foreign trade put It is this against which the farmers and producers of this country together, have. We may not have ships traversing \.be Atlantic. The want to contend, and which this bill is meant to resist. We do not ships in our coasting trade have an immense monopoly to-day. If there want London to fix the price of our flour. Flour, $4. 73 in London is were competition their rates would go down. The railroad rates would $4.75 in New York, ~bile it is $29.20 in Colombia and $9.25 in Drazil; go down. The freights on the farm products and all the products (lf XXII-2rn 3490 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-ROUS]).· FEBRUARY 27, . this country that are transported would all go down, to the advantage our privileges on the sen.s, that sho is not to help the shipbuilding in of the producer. terest to again master the sea as we master the land. [Here the hammer fell.] I am here to ask, we having legislated away so largely our interests I 1, J\fr. HOPKINS. In order to expedite the consideration of the other -on the sea, so that we are not where we were in 1825, when Webster 1 said, "We have a commerce which explores every se~, and naviel\ .\ pending matters, I move thnt all debate on this section be limited to I one minute. which take their law from no court,'' bow shall we recover our former · The motion was agreed to. position? That is the question. If it is necessary for this purpose to The CH.A.IHM.AN. The Chair will recognize the gentleman from give $5,000,000 a year, or even more, let us establish ourselves upon the Illinois [Mr. HOPKINS] to control the one minute. high seas; let us do it firmly and thoroughly, so that as we are now Mr. HOPKINS. I ask the Clerk to continue the reading. the greatest nation on the face of the earth we shall be tho greatest The CHAUH\fAN. If the gentleman does not desire to occupy the nation on the mighty deep. [Applause.] time, the question is upon the amendment offered by the gentleman The. judgment and voice are well-nigh universal among our people from Iowa. that anything which the Government can legally do to rehabilitate, The amendment was disagreed to. improve, and establish our marine in power upon the high seas should The Clerk read us follows: be done at once, in the interest us well of trade ai;id commerce as the SEC. 4. That to owners of vessels already built payments under this act shall general weUare and defense of American interests. be made for such time only ns eachshnll stand insµection and hold clrnra<'tcr, if As showing public feeling and purpose in the character and to the wood built, not lower th11n the second grade (Al!) in a scale of six gm.de!'! in extent indicated, letters and papers, the recent proceedings of the the H.ecor I 3492 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27; of the worlt.J. Take a few comparisons, bac;ed upon the United States census these it is palpable our shipping legislation a.nd commercial treaties have not of 1880, and upon tigures furnished by Mr. l\Iulhall, the English statistician. covered the ground of national economics, and much less of patriotism. In manufactures we exceeded Great Britain in 1880 by fl,579,570,l!)l; France by 52, 115,000,000, and Germnny l>y $2,305,000,000. 2. Impositions and exactions, the first made by our own Government, In products of agriculture we excelled Great Britain by $1,~5,000,000; France and the latter by foreign powers, but both operating against our ship by ~625,0'JO,I)()(), and Germany by $925,000,000. Our earnings or income for 1880 from commerce, agriculture, mining, manu ping. factures, the carrying trade, and banking exceeded those of Great Britain from CONSULAR DUES ,A.~TJ) PORT CIIARGES the same sources by Sl,2:>0,000,000, F1·ance by $2,395,000,00'J, and Germany, by ~. 775,000,000. stand next in order of importance. Our increase of weallh from 1870 to 18'Dascompared with other nations was: The first have shown apparent want of real interest and sympathy United Stales ...... S13,573,48l,493 on the part of the Government with our merchant marine, while the Great Britain ...... ,...... 3, 250, 000, OCO latter, discovering the disposition and purpose of foreign powers to France ...... ,...... 1,475,000,000 Gernu1.ny ...... 3, 625, 000, 000 profit, often by imposition of undue burdens upon our shippping, have In 1880 om· home markets consumed about $10, 000, OOJ, 000 worth of our own tended to drive our seafaring class from the ownership and use of ves products, an amount equal to the entire accumulated 'vealth of Spain, three sels employed in the foreign trade. times the increase of wealth in Great Britain for ten years, and se>en times the Often American seamen have felt theimpositionsand exactions here increase of France for the same period. Our home markets that year absorbed five times as much of our manufactured prnducts as Great Britain exported of referred to so deeply to their injury tbat while they have not quitted hers to all the markets of the world. the sea and the service to which they had become inured, they have The mischief and its causes are both apparem. 'Vhat is the remedy? It can sought emancipation therefrom by putting their ships under foreign not be found in the re-enactment of the legislation of 1789, because treatieR stand in the way, and it would not now be expedient even if there were no flags. treaties on the subject. In my judgment the remedy is plain and easily applied. The records, as respects the statementj ust made, will show that Amer If we would reg11in our lost prestige, rein<>tate our flag upon the ocean, and ican shipowners have not hesitated to put their ships under the flags open the markets of the world to American ioroducers. we must make the con test with the same weapons which have proved so successful in the hands of our of governments of insignificant name and power. rivals. No nation can better afford this kind of contest than ourselves. Surely American ship.::i have often, to avoid port charges and consular !ees, no ol.Jject is of greater importance th11.n the enlargement of our foreign markets, been placed under the Haytian flag. and nothing will contribute so much to that end as ti.le command of direct and ample facilities for reaching them. '.rhe folly and danger of depending upon our 3. Reretofore, certaix;ily for many years past, the American Navy competitors for the means ofreaching eompetiti ve markets can not be expressed. has been without such name and power upon the high seas as to give Aid to our mercuant marine is not aid to a class, but to the whole people-to assurance of certain protection and defense to our navigation, and hence the farmer, the merchant, and the manufacturer, quite as much as to the ship builder and the shipowner. thosewhowould have invested in great ships and made their use, per But it will cost mo11ey. Will it pay? Yes, an hundredfold. The aggre haps, profitable, have refused to fa vest in such way and risk their prop gate of our foreign carrying trade fo':' the past twenty-five years, while not erty upon the ocean in the foreign trade, subject to the impositions of moro than one-tenth our domestic trade, has, nevertheless, reached the enor mous sum of $20,4,65,124,920. Estimaling the cost of transportation at 10 per foreign Governments. cent. of the value of the goods, we have an expenditure of about $3,000, 000,000, Fines imposed on American ships have often been exceedingly an· at least 80 per cent. of which-$2,400,000,000-has been paid to foreign ship noying and unjust, and have often been imposed and collected in such owners. If we add to this $23,000,000 a. year paid for pass11ge money, we have a grand total of$2,900,000,000 paid to foreign labor aud capital during the last manner, in such outrage of the rights of American citizens, as to re quarter of a century, a sum larger by nearly $200,000,000 than the maximum of quire prompt and decisive action by the Government in the use of our bonded debt growing out of the late war. Are not the benefits which would such me:ins and with such circumstances as to discover its purpose accrue from paying these sums to our own people worth saving? During that period we have exported of gold and silver, to pay balances of trade against and power in their behalf. us, an excess of $607,000,000 more than we have imported. Had we carried a fair Three American ships were once fined, as the record will show, as sh'.l.re of our own foreign commerce in American ships, owned by American they lay at anchor in the same foreign harbor, under the same govern citizt'!m1and manned by American seamen, this vastsuw, and much more, might have been retained at home to enl'ich our own people. ment, without the least authority of law, but according to an unjust Su!Jpose that for twenty-five years we had given $5,000,000a year in aid of our custom;which, for the want of suitable protection, had been endureu by foreign shipping, and reduced by that amount.the prepayments of our bonded American shipowners so long that it was claimed to be and enforced debt, should we not have been far better off than we a.re now? Is it not high time these vast interests receive attention? Have we not tried as in fact the law. the do-nothing policy long enough? Shall we give that. protection and support These ships were fined each $50, and had it not been that our consular to our foreign merchant marine that other nations give to theirs, and which we officer was positi>e and determined in the action t.aken by him in be- freely give to all our other great interests, or shall we accept as inevitable our present shameful position? 1Jalf of his citizens, the fines would not have been returned to the cap I regret to say that the uniform record of indifference, if not actual hostility, tains in these cases and this vile custom abrogated. .. during the last fifty years affords little reason for encouragement. In fact the It has often been the case that captains of American ships have been tendency of late has heen to surrender to foreigners even our domestic com merce, rather than to assert ourselves upon the ocean. Discriminations of the illecrally and improperly arrested and imprisoned. most astonishing character have been made, both by Congress and by Treasury Acase of this sort which .figures in conspicuous and noted manner in regulations, in favor of Canadian railroad lines and steamships aga\nst our the records of our State Department is worthy of special reference and! own. CA.USES OF DECADEXCE OF AlIERICAN SHIPP~G. mention here. Without naming the party in this case, it may be stated that the 1. The abandonment of the protective and the- adoption of the re American citizen who was thus wronged and outraged was not neg· ciprocal policy in our navigation stands first here. lected by his Government. For the foreign government whose officer Consider the following facts an.d :figures, which speak for themselves: arrested and imprisoned him paid in the $5,000 in American gold COMPLETE RECIPROCITY WITH E..' The CHAIRMAN. Debate has been limited and the time is ex I find, sir, $6,000,000 for the harbor of Galveston, to deepen the hausted. channel at that port. This is also a subsidy given to the city of Gal The question was taken on the amendment to the amendment pro veston in order to make that a port which can be entered by almost I posed by Ur. ROGERS, and the Chair.man announced tba t the noes seemed any ship that floats. Within only a day or two we found gentlemen l to have it. upon this side of the House, who aro now condemning those who do On a division (demanded by Mr. RoaERS) there were-ayes 25, noes G3. not go with them voting away $17, 000, 000 of the public money, to give So the amendment to the amendment was disagreed to. it back to a lot of ·States that pa.id it, and had to do it because they The CHAIRMAN. The question recms on the amendment proposed were called upon to do so and because it was their duty. by the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. GRos~oR]. Some of the Southern States were out of the Union through the c1ec- Mr. COLEMAN. If it is in order to offer another amendment to the 1ara.tion of their own people, but were brought back by the declaration amendment, I move to make it 500 tons instead of 1,000. of a united North. We had no right to claim it of them. To be sure, Mr. BERGEN. That is right. the Government proceeded and collected a portion of it by distress and The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the amendment proposed by bv force. the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. GnosvmrnR], and debate is exhausted -1\Ir. CRAIN. The gentleman has spoken about Galveston Harbor. on this amendment. What about Buttermilk Channel, New York? . Mr. BERGE.i.~. I am sorry for that, because I would like to oppose Mr. SPINOLA. Buttermilk Channel! Now, my friend does not this amendment of the gentleman from Ohio. make many mistakes. [ am not complaining of the appropriation that The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the ayes was ma do in favor of Galveston, but will give them $10, 000, 000 if nec seemed to have it. essary. On a division (demanded by Mr. BERGEN) there were-ayes 63, Mr. CRAIN. Then I misunderstood the gentleman. noes 60. Mr. SPINOLA. I only referred to it as an instance in calling atten Mr. SPRINGER and Mr. GEISSENHAINEil demanded tellers. tion of the House to what we do, and not as finding fault for the ap Tellers were ordered; and tho Chairman appointed Mr. SPRINGER propriation of S6, 000, 000 which had been voted for Galveston Harbor. anc1 Mr. F .A.RQUHAR. Mr. CRAIN. I am gla.d to hear you say so. The committee again divided; and the tellers reported-ayes 93, Mr. SPINOLA. Now, sir, I hope I may live long enough to see the noes 89. time when I can go down to the Battery in the city of New York, and Accordingly the amendment was ~reed to. on "steamer day," which is now almost every day of the week, see The CHAIRMAN. Are there further amendments to section 4? the American flag flying from somestcamship that plies between here [After a pause. J If not, the Clerk will report section 5. and the European ports. [Applause on the Republican side.] The Clerk read as follows: I have got tired of going down to the piers occupied by these great SEC. 5. That vessels keel la.id and built after the passage of this net, in order stea.m8hip lines to see friends take their departur~ for Europe, and in to be entitled to payments after losinfil:' or lapsing from class in the first grade every instance see some foreign flag flying at the masthead of the ship if wood built, or from the first class or division if iron or steel built, must have been so well constructed as to ha.ve been classed originally in the hiA"hestgra.de of' in which they are to fake their departure. I want to see that changed the first class, or first division, to wit: If wood built, Al, twelve years, and if if! can; and I will vote upon this bill npon the judgment and the ad iron or steel built, A1, sixteen yea.rs, in the Record of American and ll'orei~n vice of men who are more familiar with that class of business than I Shipping, or the corresponding classification ina.ny other incorporated Ameri can register of shipping approved by the Commissioner or Navigation in tho am, and more so than any jackknife lawyer of the United States or Trensury Department. Vessels so built and classed for the hi1rhest character any crossroads politician. [Laughter.] Now, sir, as to the politics shall receive payments as in section 4, provided for vessels already built. Ves in this question. They have sought to crack the political whip here. sels uncla.ssed in the register named in this act, or in an .American register whose rules for building and inspection are fully equal in requirements, and [Cries of "Oh, no l" on the Democratic side.] Yes, sir, they have all Tessels whose class has expired or been suspended or withdrawn shall he done it right here on this floor, and I am going to resent it. disentitled to payments while this disqualification exists. Now, let me ask my Democratic friends how many Republicans in Mr. GROSVENOR. I call the attentionofthegentlemanfromNew their j adgment can be found in the Chamber of Commerce in the city York [Mr. COVERT] to the fact that the same amendment should be of Galveston? I doubt whether yon could find one out often. They inserted in this section, which has already been incorporated into an are all Democrats. Then, sir, after we leave Galveston and come to other section, relative to the underwriters. the Chamber of Commerce of New Orleans, and the members will num l\fr. FARQUHAR. I believe it was understood that they were both ber some thousands, as I am informed, yet they voted unanimously to to bo amended in that particular. petition.this Congress in favor of this bill. I do not believe yon will The CHAIRMAN. The Chair did not so understand. find many Republicans among them. I think they are mostly, if not 1\fr. F.ARQUIIAR. Then that ought to bo the first amendment of- entirely, Democrats. Then from there you come to Norfolk and Alex fered, and I offer it. andria, close by us, or pass them by and go to the Chamber of Com The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the amendment. merce of Charleston, S. C. How many Republicans could you find in 'The Clerk read as follows: the Chamber of Commerce of that city? After the word "shipping." in line 7, page 10, insert the following: A MEMBER. I have given it up. ",.,hall have the unqualified indorsements of the boards of marine under 1\Ir. SPINOLA. You can not find any, in my judgment. -writers of New Orleans, La.., New York, N. Y., Philadelphia, Pa.., Boston, l'tia.ss., an Wisconsin and Michigan, and in the great States of the South which struction. More than one man has turned down that in vi ting looking_ make the cotton-I would like to know what excuse they a.re going to Wall street and got in amongst the class of men of whom my friend make to these people when they go back and tell them that they have speaks, ancl the result was a disaster to them. 1\iany found -a watery voted away one hundred millions of the people's money to go into the grave, or else death at the end of a pistol. It is a dangerous road to hands, according to the language of the Commissioner of Navigation, travel. Many a man bas dropped out in that way, and my advice to of the shipowners of this country, to enable them to buy cargoes in for you is to keep out of Wall street~ I have seen the biggest and the rich eign countrfes and to become the merchant princes of our own. est men in the community in thnt street, but beware of it. Whenever No reduction of freight rates is proposed-no competition. The a man goes there, and they find out that he bas a few million dollars, bill is framed so that its beneficiaries may demand what they please. you can lay your bottom dollar that they will get it out of him before \Ve have here in this bill an example and an illustration for those who he gets away. [Laughter.] aro demanding that the Government shall take charge of the railroads Now, Mr. Chairman, there are good and bad men in almost all avc- and the telegraph lines aml become a great paternal institution, con 1rnes of business; there are p;ood and bad men in the stock business; trolliug the affairs of the people, looking into their private concerns. and we can not pass any measure here of a genera[ character unless This bill proposes to place in the hands of the Government of the United somebody is to derive some benefit from it. I care nothing for the States the control of the manufacture of every ship which shall here Pacific Mai1. I know nobody connected with it. I have no personal after be constructed in the United States. acquaintance with Jay Gould; I never saw Mr. Huntington to my Ha...-e we reached such a point that our people can not be allowed to knowledge in my life, and the only man I know connected with the conduct their own business in their own way? Even though they do matter is Senator ST.ANFORD, who was from New York originally, and not <.lemand or ask of the Government any subsidy, must the Govern I knew his father before him. He never asked me to take any interest ment take charge of their affairs and undertake to lay down plans and in this matter one way or the other. specifications with regard to model, material, and ~verything else con The CHAIRMAN. Debate on this section is closed. cerned in the construction of the ships which are to engage in the pri Mr. SPINOLA. I ask to append this telegram to my remarks. It vate commerce of the world? That is what this bill does in this very is as follows: section which the gentleman from New York has now moved to strike NEW YORK, January 8, 189L out. Hon. FRAXCIS B. SPIXOLA. 1Vashi119to11, D. c.: At a large and enthusiastic meeting of the chamber of commerce, held ar. Mr. Chairman, I wish I had time to refer for a moment to the pqb noon to-day, the following, on motion of John Inman, were unanimously lic sentiment of the great city of New York as expressed in the World adopted: of this morning. "\Vbcreas this chamber has for many years advocated the most liberal action on the part of the Goverm:uent of the United States whereby justice [Here the hammer fell.] may be done to the interests of American shipping and competition on the 1\Ir. SPINOLA. Now, 3fr. Chairman-- part of Americans bo rendered at least possible against the largely aided ship Mr. GROSVENOR. I wish the gent1eman from New York would ping of other countries, and thus the carrying of American commerce on the high seas be r'lstorcd to American bottoms; and yield to me-- "Whereas the bill now before Congress, called the shipping and tonnage bill, .M:r. SPINOLA. I desire to have placed in the RECORD-- will, in our opinion, serve to bring a.bout the end: Therefore, The CIIAIRl\IAN. The gentleman from Ohio [l\:Ir. GROSVENOR] "Be it resolved, That tllis chamber urge the prompt passage of the shipping bill now being discussed by Congress, and our Senators and Representatives, asks the gentleman from New York to yield to him his five minutes. irrespective of party, are requested to use every effort in their power to pro- Mr. SPINOLA. I will by and by. [Laughter.] I have sat here cure Its passage." · for the last four weeks while this bill has been under discussion, and GEORGE WILSON, Secretary. have listened to thirty or forty speeches on this subjEct, some of them Mr. ROGERS. I now renew the motion to strikeout this entire sec- macle when the bill was not up. The gentleman from Ohio has had tion G. full opportunity to express his views, while I haTe been shut out. ·I The question was taken; and on a division there were-ayes 84, noes was shut out to-day. · 105. Mr. GROSVENOR. As personal allusion has been made to me, I So the motion was rejected. thought the gentleman might be willing to alJow me to make imme The Clerk read section 7, as follows: . di:l.te reply. Sir.c. 7. That all steam vessels receiving the benefits of this act and capable of 1\Ir. SPINOLA. Mr. Chairman, the communication which I send maintaining a speed of 12 knots an hour at sea. in ordinary weather shall carry to the Clerk's desk is directed to me individually. It comes from the mails of the United Sta.teswhen required by the Poi.tma.ster·General to the port or ports for which they may bo destined, and under such regulations as the Chamber of Commerce of the city of New York, a body of men may be prescribed by the Postmaster-General, and for all mails so carried tho who for intelligence and high character in the community in which l'ost-Offico Department shall turn into the Treasury the sea and inland postage they live are unsurpassed by any class of men on the face of the earth. thereon. Upon ea.ch of said vessels the United States shall be entitled to have transported free of charge such mail messengers as in the judgment of the And I have confidence enough, I think, to believe that they, who have Postmaster-Geueral may be necessary, whose duty it shall be to receive, sort, spent their entire lives in connection with the commerce not only of take in charge, and deliver the mails to and from tho United States, and who their own co~ntry but with other lands, are first-class judges of this shall be provided with suitable room for the accommodation of messengers an opened the dooxs of foreign countries to the markets of American pro A few years ago a distinguished gentleman who was appointed to a ducers and that following up as a corollary, natural and supplementary Southern mission was obliged to go by the way of Liverpool to reach of the "McKinley law, we have made these commercial arrangements nnd that mission. When he had concluded his mission be said during his • DOW propose to the farmers of the West, to the farmers of the South, term of service he had never seen the American flag in the waters of over the heads of tho protests of their own Representatives, as we ha.ve that port. The other day a citizen of this country was in the city of bad to do so often, when their interests called upon the intelligence aud San Francisco, nnd while there ,be said he thought he would. finll an the statesmanship of the North-we have arran~ed to furnish them American vessel. After searching at the wharves of San Francisco the American ships, nnder American registry, under the American flag, to whole day he at last found one American vessel in port. Going upon carry the surplus products of this country in competition with the shipiJ that vessel he learned that a foreign captain and a foreign erew were that are to-day carrying tbe products of this country to foreign ports. in charge. That iR the condition of the American merchant marine And we will show to tho people that the whole cry that we are not to-day in the leading city on the Pacific coast. cheapening freights is simply an argument in the face of the common Now, I have had grave doubts about the subsidy policy. I uetest history, the common judgment, the common knowledge, and the com the word, and would not make it a perpetual policy of this country for mon experience of mankind. We are multiplyin~ ships and tlte mul- any consideration whatever. [Applause on the Democratic side.] But .tiplication of ships means the cheapening of freight. The building of here we have a proposition that proposes compensation to American new lines across tho continent has cut down railroad freights from 1867 merchant marine if they are carrying the United States mails. It is until now to 22 per cent. as against 100 per cent. when the war closed, no longer a subsidy, but it is a just, honorable, and necessary com and that resulted not by fixing freights, but.by making avenues perfect pensation. Now, I had hoped that the feature introduced in this bill and stimulating competition. [Applause on the Republican side.] that provided compensation for sailing vessels would be stricken out; Mr. MILLIKEN. I move to strike out the last word. I so voted; but when I saw on the other side of this Chamber gentle Mr. HOPKINS. I movo that debate on this section be limited to five men go down to the front and vote to retain that provision I saw that minutes. they meant that this bill should not be improved and perfected. Mr. MILLIKEN. Give us a little more time. This is tho last sec When I saw them go down to the front and vote a solid mass against tion. Give us ten minutes. striking out from this bill the merchant marine of 1,000 tons burden, The motion of Mr. HOPKINS was agreed to. then I saw that they did not mean that this bill should be perfected. Mr. ROGERS. l\fr. Chairman, I have only a worcl to say in response I say to my colleagues upon this side of the Chamber there is only one to my distinguished friend from Ohio, and I am glad to have it from thing left this afternoon, that is to solve the remaining problem of the bis own lips that this bill is a supplement to the McKinley bill. We war by passing this bill. [Loud applause on the Republican side.] know precisely what a supplement to the :McKinley bill means, in view l\Ir. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. l\ir. Chairman, I desire to of the cry which was made by evexybocly on. that side of the House that offer an amendment to come in at the close of the last section, and I you did not want a foreign market, but that you wanted a home market; will read it and then send it up to the Clerk's desk: and your distinguished Speaker in the Forty-ninth Congress even spoke Provided further, That no payment shall be made under this act except out of building up a veritable Chinese wall around our entire country; and of moneys specially appropriated annually for that purpose at tho preceding your McKinley bill was but a step in the building up of that Chinese session of Congress. wall around America, and fencing out, as it were, the foreign markets Mr. HOGERS. Beforo that i~ read, I rise to a parliamentary in of the world. Carried with this was an increased taxation upon all tqe quiry. great masses of American society, heaping up instead of reducing the The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will state it. additional burdens upon their shoulders in the way of taxation. Mr. HOGERS. I want to ask two questions. I want to ask first, is Now you come with your supplement, and you propose, to use your own the last section now under consideration? expression, to supplement the destruction of the American market by go The CHAIRUAN. It is. _ ing into the Treasm·y up to your necks with this subsidy steal to buy for· 1\Ir. ROGERS. Iwanttoa.sk the Chair at what time it will be proper eign markets which you have destroyed by the 1\IcKinleybill. That is to offer an amendment to the Senate bill proper? yoursupplement,and !again congratulate the country that we have go tit The CHAIRMAN. The amendment now pending is a motion to from the great leader of the party upon the other side of the Honse, strike out all aftar the enacting clause of the Senate bill and insort a the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. GROSVENOR], who was to fight the bat substitute. · tle· royal of the Republican party if he had gotten back on the floor of Mr. CUTCIIEON. 1\Ir. Chairman, I desire to offer an amendment to tho House, that that is the object and·thc purpose and the end to be the section. achieved by the passage of this subsidy bill. 1\fr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Is not rin amendment to the -It is to buy markets; it is to · give the people's mo~ey to the ship Senate bill now in order? o ners and the shipbuilders, in the langua~e of your Commissioner of l\fr. l\icMILLIN. An amendment to the Senate proposition is in Navigation, that they may use it in buying foreign cargoes which they order. It is by way of a substitute, and when a substitute is offered can not otherwise get and obtain. It is the appropriation, not of the there may be an amendment to that and an amendment to the original surplus, for that has gone where the woodbine twineth, but it is the proposition both pending at the same time. appropriation of new taxes to be levied and collected, to be used for the Mr. ROGERS. I desire to send up an amendment tQ. the Senate bill purpose of buying the markets that by your policies and your legisla proper. tion you admit you have destroyed; and you proclaimed when you Mr. BU'l'TERWORTH. l\Ir. Chairman-- passed it that you intended to absorb and monopolize the home market Mr. ROGERS. I do not want to debate this. That will let the gen by keeping goods from abroad from coming into our country, thus de tleman have time. stroying the very commerce that you now take the people's money to Mr. CUTCHEON. Ur. . Chairman-- build up again in its stead. The CIIAIR1\1A.N. The gentleman fro::n Michigan desires to offer [Here the hammer fell.] an amendment to the pending section. '.rbe CHAIHMAN. The Clerk will read. l\fr. l\icl\fILLIN. The gentleman from Arkansas was moving an The Clerk read as follows: amendment to the ori~inal proposition, which is in order. It is an SEC. 8. Tho.t lhe Secretary of the Treasury shall fix tho times anu manner of amendment to the Senate bill. . payments, prescribe the vouchers, with forms of account and verifications, upon The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Arkansas arose to a par which payments shall be made, and shall adopt whatever regulations may be necessary to carry out the provisions of this act. liamentary inquiry. 1\Ir. ROGERS. But I have since asked to offer an amendment to Mr. MOORE, of New Hampshire. Mr. Chairman, nJ question that the Senate bill proper, which I do not desire to debate, but do desire has come before this Congress bas given me so much concern as the to have it pending at G o'clock. question that is now pending. It is the one problem left over from Mr. Mc.MILLIN. If that can be considered a.spending for a Vl)to the great civil war. The Republican party in control of this country it will be sufficient. has solved every other problem but this. . The CHAIRMAN. The committee will please be in order. · It has solved the reconstruction problem; it has solved the financial l\Ir. CUTCEIEON. I will send up an amendment to the eighth sec- , problem; it has solved the civil-rights problem; but this great prob ti on. lem remains to be solved. For twenty-five years we have waited for The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thiukg that at this time the gentle individuals to make a solution, and individuals up to this time have man from Michigan [Mr. CUTCIIEo:N] should be recognized to perfect failed. The American merchant marine floats fewer flags to-day than it this section of the substitute. It was agreed that the committee would floated twenty-five years ago. In fifteen minutes we shall be called first proceed to the consideration of the substitute ·by sections. We upon to vote upon the question whether the attempt to be made here have now reached the last section, and tbegentlem:m from Michigan this afternoon shall be a solution of this problem or whether it shall pxoposes an amendment to the last section. be a failure. Not for twenty-five years has there been a gmver re l\1r. l\IcMILLIN. Bat, Mr. Chairman, was there any agreement sponsibility on American representafrves than there is here at this which would preclude the pendcncy of an amendment to the original moment. If the solution of this problem is met it means that the car proposition. rying trade, worth $200, UOO, 000, is to be thrown in to our scale; it means The CHAIRMAN. Oh, no. that the American flag, if this problem shall be solved, shall go into Mr. McMILLIN. Then the propo3ition of the gentleman from Ar· ".Very sea where it is not now. · kansas [l\Ir. ROGERS] is in order. 3498 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, The OHAIRUAN. An amendment t.o the original proposition, the to be appointed by the Secretary of the Navy, and for such use subject to an· nual inspection. No steamer shall be so enrolled that shall _not be capa?le o! Senate bill, or any section of it, would be in order as soon as this mounting not less than two rifled guns of modern construction, nor until the amendment is disposed of. same shall have been prepared and fit.ted at the expense of the Government for Mr. McMILLIN. But the point I make, Mr. Chairman, is that an carrying the necessary equipment and guns, and adapting her for the us~ of the Government as a.n auxiliary cruiser. For the purpose of compensat.1~g I amendment to that may bo pending even when the other proposition owners of such steamships for t.he expense and trouble necessary to be in . ' I has pending an amendment and an amendment to the amendment. curred by them in complying with the conditions of such enrollment, the Pres· The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks not. The Chair thinks that ident is authorized to prescribe an annual compensation to the enrolled list of auxiliary crui~ers, to be graded and based upon tonnage, strength, and speed the amendment to this section should be first disposed of. After that and adaptability for the Government sen· ice, not exceeding 8 per cent. yearly the Chair will recognize tho ~entlema.n. The gentleman from Michi upon the value of such steamship, as determined by the Navy Department. gan is now recognized. And to the end that due encourngement may be nfforded to persons contem plating the construction of merchant ships to fit them to answer the purposes The amendment of :Mr. CUTCHEO.N" was read, as follows: of tho Governmentfor fast and powerful cruisers, the President may authorize Add to section 8 the following: contracts to be entereu into for the enrollment of such steamships, when con "Provided, No vessel shall be entitled to payment under this a.d that makes structed, upon the naval auxiliary list, upon the terms anu conditions of this a.ny discrimination between or gh·es unequal facilities to competitive trans act, and may bind the Government for not exceeding six years to the payment portation lines in the receiving or forwarding of freights or passengers at any of an annual compensation: .Provided, That the plans of such sle,amships shall port or po1ts in the United Stales or at any foreignpo1·t." first be submitted to and approved by the Navy Department, and certified to by such Department as em body i ni; the necessary strength fort he carrying of af'!Ila- • ment and having the necessary spee?. fittings, etc., for the _Gover~ment se!v1ce; Mr. CUTCHEON. Ur. Chairman, this provision wns a part of the and in all ca.sos preference shall be gwen to those steamships havmg the highest Senate bill as it came to the House; it formed the concluding parn.graph cbaructeristics: And provided, That no compensation shall be paid fo1· any ves of section 2. There it read: "Nor shall any vessel be entitled to re sel whose average trial speed at load draught for a continuous six hours' run cei'rn payment," etc. It seems to me it is a provision that ought to be is less than 15 knots if engaged in the foreign or coasting tra~e, nor Jess than 12 knots if engaged in the trado of the Great Lakes: And p1·ovidedfm·the1·, That retained. It will pre>ent these steamship lines from discriminating tho maxim mu compensation shall not be paiu for any vessel whose average between competitive railroads bringing freight or passengers to them. trial speed at load draught for o. continuous run of six hours is less than 19 knots: And prodded further, That whenever the owner, 'officers, or seamen of That is all it does. A discrimination between two competitive railroad any ·vessel of the United States shall proposo to enroll t.hemselves and vessels lines isa discrimination between the sections of country through which as part of the auxiliary navy of the United States, without cost to tho Govern those lines ran. One of tho railroo.d lines may be owned by the same ment, and the said vessel shall be approved ~~the Secr~tary of the Navy as comp:iny or tho individuals that own the steamship lines, ancl they fit fo1· dispatch torpedo, or other naval aux1hary service, he is authonzeu to enroll the sn~e upon terms as to the charter or purchase of such ve!lsels antl may discriminate in fuvor of their own line and against the one that to execute a provisional contract with the owner to this effect, which contract tho.v do not own. shall become operative whenever the said vessel is take_n into t.he p_u.blic. serv ice; and in the event of the loss or destraction of said vessel wn1lo ln the That is not fair, and when it is proposed to take money out of the public service under charter, the said purchase price as a.greed upon as above public Treasury to aid steamship lines I think it should Le dono only shall be the compensation paid t.o her owners. upon condition that they shall afford equal facilities to all competing SEC. -. That any vessel commanded by an officer of the naval reservi:s, and trausportation lines in freight and passengers, so that the several sec which shall have in hE'r complement five other officers and men belonging to the naval reserve..'!, shall have the right to fly from her mainmast head a. dis tions of the country which those lines penetrate and reach shall have tinctive flag 01· pennant witll tho letters U.S. N. U.: Provid~d. That tho color, equal facilities for sending their products to foreign markets. This is shape, and size of such flag or pennant shall be prescribed by the Secretary of the Navy and furnished by t.he Navy Department. not a new provisicn; it is simply returning to the Senate bill, and I SEC. -. That the sum of Sl,000,000 is hereby appropriated for carrying iu.t.o hope that it will be adopted. operation this act, and thp same sJ;tall constitute a continuous ~nnualappr?pr1a Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. ~Ir. Chairman, I desire to tion, payable out of any moneys in the Treasury not otherwise appropnated, for the purpose of inaugurating and continuing the operation of th~ na.v.a.l re offer an amendment. sen·e contemplated by this act, the same to be expended under the direct.ton of The CIILURUAN. The gentleman from Tennessee [l\Ir. WmT the Secretary of the Navy. TilORNE] is reco~nized in opposition to the pending amendment. SEC.-. 'fl1at all vessels receiving tho benefits of this act shall carry the mails Mr. WHITTHORNE. Mr. Chairman, in December Inst I notified of t.hc United Rtates without additional compensation, when required by the Postmaster-General, to the port or ports ror which they mo.y be destined, and the Houso that at the proper time I would offer a substitute for the nnder such regulations as may be prescribed by the Postma.st.er-General, and pending proposition. I am a friend of American commerce, but I be for all mails so carried the Post-Office Department shall turn into the Treasury the se11. and inland postage thereon. Upon each of said vesse~ the Unit.ea Sta.~s lie>o that the impression which is now being mado upon the public shall be entitled to have transported free of charge such mail messengers as m miud that the decadence of oar carrying trade is the decadence of tM the judgment ot the Postmaster-General maybe necessary, whose duty it s~all weal th and commerce of oar country is a profound mistake. Tho fact be to receive, sort, take in charge, and deliver the mails to and from the Um~ed is not so. On the contrary, it may be demonstrated as clearly as a Stales, and who shall be provided with suitable room for the accommodat1on mathematical proposition that the decadence of the carrying trade is of messengers and the mails. • the evidence of the wealth of the country, and not of its destruction. The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. The Go mark the figures year by year, and you will see that American question is on the amendment proposed by the gentleman from Mich commerce hn.s grown steadily, and not one of the propositions before igan [Mr. CUTCIIEON]. tho House justly demands an increase of oar commercial marine upon Mr. FARQUHAR. Mr. Chairman, inrespectt.o the amendment pro that ground. But I have taken another view of the subject, and that posed by the gen tlcman from Michigan I will state to the House frankly is that if you would maintain a navy, if you would develop the re the whole history, or rather the exact end of the long history of that sources of your country for naval defense, you must aid the commer proposition. cial marine. Hence, I have endeavored, in the snbstitute which I Tile Committee on Merchant :Marine and Fisheries had presented to propose, to travel within constitutional lines in the direction of the de them this proposition of discrimination, and after hearing the parties velopment of the American commercial marine, and, under the power in interest. after consulting also with those who bad offered a similar granted by the Constitution to maintain a navy I propose. to increase proposition in the Senate, we recognized the fact that the amendment alike the strength nnd the wealth of the country. And if I had the was simply in the interest of cer~in railroad lines; t~atit has ~~thing time and the strength I would show that that proposition is involved to do with what is one of tho mam purposes of the bill, tho givrng of in the substitute which I offer. the stockmen of tho West fair opportunity for the transportation of I venture to say, Ur. Chairman, that if you give bounties or sub their products from tho seaboard to Europe. sidies, you will create monopolies and destroy American commerce in Mr. CUTCHEON. Ilut the question is, is it right or wrong? stead of building it up. It requires simply an appeal to common senso :M:r. FARQUHAR. Whether it is right c;r wrong, I want to explain to see that the nations of the world send their carrying vessels here to tlle House that by the adoption of a proposition of this kind, as our because they are compelled to come to you for the supply of their wants. committee found, you would tie up our own vesselsandallowt.heSwedes, You have no occasion to go t.o them to supply your wants, and there tho Frenchmen, the Belgians, and other nationalities to have, as it fore you do not send out your vessels for that purpose. Hence, it fol were, free trade in cutt.ing rates and in doing just what they please lows logically that in the degree that other nations have t.o come to with the American marine. Our committee felt that if there were to you for what they want, their proportion of the carrying trado will in be any stringent regulations they should not be such as would tie our crease, while your proportion will necessarily grow less. Mr. Chair own hands and put us at the mercy of twenty-five nations that to-day man, I submit the amendment which I send to the desk, and I may nro paying out their money in subsidies, as against the interests of our hereafter take, under the general permission granted, the privilege of people and our shipping. extending my remarks. 'fbe CHAIRMAN. The hour of 5 o'clock having arrived, the Com The amendment of Mr. WmTTIIORNE is as follows: mittee of the Whole, in obedience to tho order of the House, will rise SEC. -. 'l'hat the Nary Department shall cause cxlllllina.tion to be made of and report tho bill back to the House. the steamships engn..,.ed in the lake, foreign, and coastin!l trade, and carrying 'fhe committee accordingly rose; nnd the Speaker having resumed the flag of the United States, so as to ascertain their availability in each cnee tor use by the Government as auxiliary cruisers. And wit.hin the limitations tho chair, l\Ir. Ilmrn.ows reported that the Committee of the Whole on and upon the terms herein prescribed, the .President if! ~uthorzi~d to cause to tho state of the Union had had under consideration tho bill (S. 3738) be enl"Olled a.nd borne upon the No.val RegIBler, as auxthary cruisers, and sub to place the American merchant marine engaged in the foreign trade ject to the immediate call of the Government upon demand, upon terms of hire or purchase to be agreed upon and fixed prior to such enrollment, such upon an equality with that of other oat.ions, and reported it back, in limited number of merchant steamships as shall be deemed necessary for the obedience t.o the order of the Houso, without amendment. purposes of the Government, and as shall fall within the requirements and 1'Ir. FARQUHAR. I offernowthesnbstitutewhichhasbeenagreed limitations of this act. No steamship shall be enrolled that shall not have been constructed according to the requirements of the Secretary of the Navy or been upon by the Committee on Merchant :Marine and Fisheries and which pronounced suitable for armed auxiliary cruisers by a. board of naval officers is already in print. 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. . 3499 Mr. SPRINGER. I make the point of order that the House is in The SPEAKER. If the gentleman from Arkansas will consider for recess until 8 o'clock. a moment he will remember that the committee spent its time upon The SPEAKER. The Uhair overrules the point of order. The gen amending a substitute, which substitute was never adopted. tleman from New York offers, in accordance with the provision of Mr. Mc~IILLIN. In other words, a conclusion in which nothing the order, a substitute-- was concluded. [Laughter.] Mr. SPRINGER. I make the point of order that the House is now The SPEAKEH. ·Not an uncommon result in Committee of the in rocess until 8 o'clock this evening; and I desire to call the atten Whole. tion of tho Chair to the fact that the rule of the House providing for ·.l\Ir. SPRINGER. Or under special orders of this kind. a recess on Fridays from 5 o'clock till 8 o'clock has not been set aside The SPEA.KER. The Cb air thinks special orders do sometimes pro by any order of the House heretofore passed. duce results in Committee of the Whole. Th.e latter part of the special rule which :fixed this day for the con Mr. MCMILLIN. But it could hardly have been expected to pro sideration of the shipping bill required simply that at 5 o'clock the duce results under this last special order. Committee of the Whole should rise and report the bill to the House; The SPEA.KER. The question is on agreeing to the substitute pro that, if no amendment had been adopted, the substitute would then be posed by the gentleman from New York. in order and the previous question be ragarded as ordered. The occa l\1r. SPRINGER. What is the substitute? sion contemplated by the special rule has now arrived. The Committee The SPEAKER. The Chair thinksitshould be reacl, althoug:h it is of the Whole has risen; the gentleman from New York has offered his the same that was debated by the committee. The Chair thinks it must euhstitute; and I insist that the House under the standing rule is now be read unless the Honse consents to dispense with the rending. The in recess until 8 o'clock this evening, the evening session to be devoted Chair understands that it is the substitute that was before the com to the consideration of pension business only. mittee. The SPEAKER. Has the gentleman from Illinois finished his sta.te Mr. FARQUHAR. That is just what I stated, Mr. Speaker, when ment? I first offered it. Mr. SPRINGER. The point to which I directed the attention of the Mr. SPRINGER. I desire to ask the gentleman from New York if Chair is that no order has been passed by the House contrary to the this is precisely the text of the bill as printed and reported by the com- rule to which I have called attention. mittee? . . The SPEAKER. The Chair cl.esires to present tot-he House t.he actual Mr. FARQUHAR. The same, with two amendments. statement of the order. There is no question whatever about the in Mr. SPRINGER. Then I make the point of order that the gentle tention; and the language of the order is also very plain: man bas no right to amend it, because the rule says "the substitute to the bill '' may be offered. At 5 o'clock p. m. of snid day said bill, with such amendments as shall have Mr. DINGLEY. No; it says "a substitute." · been agreed to in committee1 shall be reported back to the House and the pre vious question be cq~siderea as ordered on the same to engrossment and pas· ~fr. SPRINGER. I have the order before me. sage, with the right to offer and have a vote on the substitute for the bill after The SPEAKER. The gentleman i'3 probably misled by a misprint the amendments reported from the committee have been disposed of, the pre Yious question to include such substitute. in the RECORD. The RECORD says "the" substitute, but the order says that a substitute was to be offered. That language is entirely inconsistent with the operation of the regu Mr. SPRINGER. Then if the gentleman from New York will ex lar order referred to by the gentleman from Illinois. plain the amendments it will probably avoid the reading of the bHI, ~fr. SPRINGER. It is not inconsistent, if the Chair will allow me if that is the same bill we had before us to-day. one word-- Mr. FITHIAN. I rise to a parliamentary inquiry. Several .MEMilERS. Regular order ! The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. The SPEAKER. One moment. No doubt the gentleman "from 1\Ir. FITHIA~. - I desire to know if under the rule the minority of Illinois and the Chair will agree as ~oon as they understand each other. the committee are permitted to offer a substitute for the substitute of [Laughter.] . fered by the gentleman trom New York? Mr. SPRINGER. What the Chair has just read is not inconsistent The SPEAKER. The special ntle allows a substitute to be offerccl, :with the standing rule, which requires that on each Friday at 5 o'clock which has been offered. the House shall take a recess until 8 o'clock, the evening session to be 1\Ir. FITHIAN. Only one substitute? devoted to pension business. That part of the order which the Chair The SPEAKER. Ouly one. hasreadsimplyordersthe previous question upon the propositions pend Mr. Mcl\flLLIN. ?tfr. Speaker, the gentleman from Ohio, the gen ing, and brings the whole matter before the Rouse on its assembling tleman from Illinois, and you, I doubt not, will remember that the at 11 o'clock to-morrow morning. understanding was there should be a right to this side of the House in The SPEAKER. No; but it provides for the offering of a substi that regard. · tute, which could not have been done after 5 o'clock if the House was The SPEA.KER. If the gentleman from Tennessee appeals to the in recess. . Chair, the Chair must say that the uuderstanding, so far as he knows, Mr. SPRINGER. But the substitute was offered at the same instant was that an amendment might be offered by the gentleman from Illinois. thatthecommitteerose; and5o'clock having now arrived, the order Mr. McMILLIN.. I made the inquiry whether the same course that the rule of the House-requiring the proceedings of this session to be was pursued with regard to the sHver bill, c;>f exhausting the right to discontinued until to-morrow morning bas never been set aside. offer a substitute, was to be pursued. I asked if that right was to be The SPEAKER. The Chair overrules the point of order. confined to those having the bill in charge and favoring it, and taken Mr. SPRINGER. From that decision, Mr. Speaker, I respectfully away from those who opposed the bill; and a negative answer was given. appeal. The SPEAKER. • The Chair must say he never heard that question Mr. 1\fcKINLEY. I move to lay the appeal on the table. asked. . The question was taken; ancl on a division (demanded by Mr. Mr. Mcl\fILLIN. The Chair may not have heard it. The gentle SPRINGER) there were-ayes 117, noes 83. man from Ohio [Ur. McKINLEY] will remember it.. So the appeal was laid upon the table. :Ur. McKINLEY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to say to the House that J\ The SPEAKER. The Chair knew nothing of any such arrangement, :Ur. ROGERS. I want to know whether the gentleman from New and was acting solely with reference to having the various stages of the York intentionally left the amendment which I offered, and which was matter before the House so far as it was possible. adopted, out of the substitute? Mr. l\lcMILLIN. I did not want the same course pursued with this l\Ir. F .A.RQUIIAR.. I said that it was left out. bill as was pursued with the silver bilJ. Mr. McKINLEY. Mr.Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the Mr. CANNON. If the gentleman will allow me a word, my under- gentleman from Illinois [l\1r. FITHIAN] may be permitted to offer his standing was that after this bill was reported by the committee under substitute. ' the special order, it would then be in a condition where I could move Mr. DINGLEY. I think that should be granted under the circum as a substitute therefor what is knowna.s the postal-aid bill, and I still stances. supposed that I could do so until the committee rose, when I was con- The SPEAKER. In view of what has been stated, the Chair thinks fronted, as I was informed, with the parliamentary position that, the that he ought to put the question to the House. Committee of the Whole not ha,•ing adopted. the committee substitute Mr. CANNON. Before that is done I want to say that it was equally for the Senate bill, that would have precedence as a substitute for the well understood that I should have permission to bring the postal-aid Senate bill, and I would becutout; and I would bevery glad now, by bill up by way ofa substitute. I desire that the unanimous consent unanimous consent, if it can be had, that I may be permitted to should cover that also, so that the vote can be had on each. It is the move a postal-aid bill as a substitute, so that the House can vote first postal-aid bill, except the price has been cut down one-third. upon the proposition of giving postal aid as against the tonnage bill; I Mr. HOPKINS. And I ask unanimous consent for the considera and if that should be adopted, could then vote directly upon thatques- tion of my substitute also. [Laughter.] tion. J t seems to me to be fair to all parties that the differeut phases A MEl\IDER. On eat a time. of the bill should be presented to the House. Mr. :McKINLEY. In response to the gentlemen from Illinois, I Mr. liOPKINS. Mr. Speaker. I sympathize with the remarks marle will suggest that they do not ask consent upon their propositions un by my colleague from Illinois [Mr. CANNON], bntthere are other propo- tiI we have disposed of the request for unanimous consent that I have sitious that members upon this floor would like to have voted upon, prnsented. and one of them is tile bill that I have prepared, limiting the bill to The SPEAKER. The Chair will put the request of the geutlemau vessels running between port~ of this country and the ports of snch from Ohio. countries as enter into trade ~lations under the reciprocity clause of Ur. McKINLEY. I think, Mr. Speaker, that in all fairness, upon the recent tariff law. thestatementmadeinopen House here when t.hisorde1·wasadopted, that Mr. FLOWEH. That is the best one of the substitutes offered, and unanimous consent should be given to the gentleman from Illinois [l\lr. one that would recei-rn n good many votes upon the floor of this House FITIIIAN] to offer his substitute; it ought to be given him. if it could be voted upon. Tile SPEAKER. The Chair will put that proposition. Mr. HOPKINS. Now, if we had had time we could have shown Mr. CANNON. In all fairness I am willing that that should be that that bill possesses merit, and that neither the bill presented here done, but upon the condition-- [Cries of "Ah! no; don't!"] A fro~ the Senate, nor the bill that is proposed by the Committee on Mer- gentleman near me says I ought not to object, when he knows well chant l\Iarine and Fisheries, is a bill that any Republican west of the that this was understood that my proposition was to occupy such a Alleghany Mountains can afford to vot-0 for. [Applause on the Demo-1 position under the mle that I might move it as a substitute. cratic side and cries of" Regular order!" on the Hepnblican side.] Mr. SKINNER. Rei:i;ulnr order! Mr. FITHIAN. l\Ir. Speaker-- The SPEAKER The regular order is demanded, which is ::i vote The SPEA.KEH. The regular ordei: is demanded. upon the substitute proprosed by the gentleman from New York. Mr. HOPKINS (continuin~). But by the legislative legt3rdemain of The Chair put the question, and said the ayes seemed to have it. the gentlemen in charge of this matter to-day I have been deprived of Mr. CANNON. I will withdraw the objection, if it is understood the privilege of presenting my substitute to the House. that I can be recognizell to move to recommit with instmctioTJs to re- The SPEAKER. Tbe'reµ;ular order is demanded. port the postal bill. Mr. MILLIKEN (to Mr. IloPKIN"S). Yon had an hour and a half .l\1r. OUTHWAITE and several other members objected. yesterday. Wby did you not present the matter then? The SPEAKE~. Objection is made, and the regular order is de- The SPEA.KER. The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. SPRINGER] de- manded, which is a vote upon the substitute of the gentleman from sires to have the amendments read which have been adopted by the com- New York. mitt~e.. Is there objection? Mr. BLAND. Can not we take a vote upon the substitute of the Mr. ROGERS. I do not understand the request. gentleman from Illinois [Mr. FITIIIAN]? Let us vote upon that be- Mr. FITHIAN. I rise to a point of order. fore we vote upon the.substitute of the gentleman from New York. The SPEAKEH. Will gentlemen please resume their seats and be Tho SPEAKER. It is shut out by reason of the demand for tho iu onler. The gentleman from Illinois [l\1r. SPRINGER] proposes to regular order on tbe right of the Chair. dispense with the reading of the substitute, the same havingbeenread Mr. WILLIA.MS, of Illinois. The gentleman who objected did not in committee, but that the amendments indicated shall be stated to the object to the request for unanimous consent to offer the substitute of House. ls there objection to the request of the gentleman from Illi- the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. FITHIAN]. nois [Ur. SPilINGER]? The Chair hears none. The Clerk will indi- The SPEAKER. The understanding of the Chair was that it was cate the amendments and the Chair will then inquire of the gentle- intended to include the amendment of the gentleman from Illinois in man from Illinois [Mr. FITUIAN] what his point of order is. the objection. The Clerk read as follows: Ur. WILLIAMS, of Illinois. The gentleman who demanded the Ad The SPEAKER. Is there ·objection? [After a pause.] The Chair Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. The fact that the gentleman hears none, and the Clerk will read the substitute. from Illinois [l\Ir. FITHIAN] offered a bill that was not proper 'to be · The Clerk read as follows: offered under the agreement, does not prevent him from withdrawing Strike out all after the enacting clause and insert: that. and offering the proper bill. ''That the Postmaster-General is hereby authorized anu empowered to enter Mr. FITHIAN. I desire to withdraw the substitute that I offered in~o contra7ts for. a. term not less than five nor I? ore than te.n years ln du.ration, a moment R Burrows, Gifford, .Moffitt, Smith, W. Va. Buchanan, N. J, Grosvenor, Mudd, Spponer, Burton, Greenhalge, Moore,N.H. Smyser, Burrows, Grout, Niedringhaus, Stephenson, Butterworth, Grosvenor, l\Iorey, Snider, Burton, Harmer, Nute, Stewart, Vt. Caldwell, Grout, l\Iorrill, Spinola, Caldwell, Haugen, O'Donnell, Stivers, Cannon, Hall, l\1orrow, Spooner, Cannon, Hays,E. R. O'Neill, Pa. Stone, Pa. Carter Harmer, :l\:Iorse, Stahlnecker, Carter, llermann, Osborne, Struble, Casweb, Haugen, l\Iudd, Stephenson, Caswell, Hitt, . Owen, Ind. Sweet, Cheadle, Bays, E.R. Niedringhaus, Stewart, Vt. Cheadle, Houk, Payne, Sweney, Cheatham, Ilermann, Nute, Stivers, Cheatham, Kennedy, Payson, Taylor, E. B. Chipman, nm, O'Donnell. Stone, Pa. Clark, \Vyo. Kerr, Iowa Perkins, '.raylor, 111. Clark, Wyo. Hitt, O'Neil, l\Iass. Struble, Cogswell, Ketcham, Pugsley, Taylor, J. D. Clunie, Hopkins, O'Neill, Pa. Sweet, Coleman, Kinsey, Quackenbush, 'raylor, Tenn. Cogswell, Houk, Osborne, Sweney, Comstock, Knapp, Raines, '.r!Jomas, Coleman, Kennedy, Owen, Ind. Taylor, E. B. Culbertson, Pa. Laidlaw, Randall, 'l'ho1upson, Comstock, Kerr, Iowa Payne, Taylor, Ill. Cummings, Langston, Hay, Tow11send, Colo. Culbertson, Pa. Ketcham, Payson, Taylor, J.D. Cutcheon, Lansing, Reyburn, '.rownsend, Pa. Cummings, Kinsey, Perkins, Taylor, Tenn, Dalzell, Lodge, Rife. Vandever, Cutcbeon, Knapp, Peters, The.mas, Darlington, l\Iason, Rockwell, Van Schaick, Dalzell, · Lacey, Pickler, Thompson, De Lano, McCormick, Rowell, Waddill, Darlington, La Follette, Post, Townsend, Colo. Dolliver, l\IcDuffie, H.usscll, W'n Candler, Ua.ss. Geary, l\Iansur, Quinn, The SPEAKER. The question recurs on the motion of the gentle Carlton, Gci*5enhainer, l\1artln, Ind. Reilly, Caruth, Gest, Martin, Tex. Richardson, man· from Maine to reconsider the vote by which the House refused to Catchings, Goodnight, l\lcAdoo, . ltobertson, order the bill to a. third reading. Chipman, Grimes, l\IcClammy, Rogers, Mr• .MILLS. I move that the House do now adjourn. Clancy. Hatch, l\lcClellan, Rowland, Clements, Hayes, W.I. l\IcComas, Sayers, Mr. CANNON. I make the point of order on the motion-~ Clunie, Haynes, l\IcCord, Seney, The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Texas moves that the House Cobb, Heard, McCreary, Shively, do now adjourn. Conuoll, Hemphill, l\Io~Iillin, Skinner, Cooper, Ind. Ilenderson, N. O. l\IcRae, Springer, Ur. MILLS. I will wit.hdraw the motion. Cothran, Herbert, l\Iills, Stewart, Tex. The SPEA.KEP.. The question then recurs on the motion to recon Covert., Hill, l\Iontgomery, Stockdale, sicler the vote by which the House refused to order the bill to a third Cowles, Holman, l\Ioore, Tex. Stone, l\Io•• Crain, Hooker, l\Iorgan, 'l'arsuey, reading. · Crisp, Hopkins, l\Iutchler, 'l'illman, · Mr. :::iPRINGER. We may as well have the yeas and nays on that. Culberson, Tex. Kelley, Norton, Tucker, The yeas and nays were ordered. Darg-an, Kerr, Pa. Oates, Turner, Ga. Davidson, Lacey, O'Ferrall, '.rurner, N. Y. The question was taken; and there were-yeas 147, nays 144, not Dibble, La Follette, O'Neil, l\ln.ss. 'Vashington, voting 38; as follows: Dickerson, Lane, Outhwaite, \Vhitelaw, YEAS-H7. Dockery, Lanham, Owen!!, Ohio Whiting, Aclams, Cutcbeon, l\IcKinley, 81tcrmau, Dunphy, Lawler, Parrett, Whitthorne, Allen; l\lic)l. Dalzell, l\Iiles, Simonds, Edmunds, Laws, Paynter, \Vilce, Anderson, Kans. Darlington, :Miller, Smith, Ill. Elli!'!, Lee, Peel, . Wiley, Arnold, De Lano, l\Iilliken, Smith, W. Va. Fitch, Lehlbach, Penington, Williams, Ill. Atkinson, Pa. Dingley, l\Toflitt, Sn1yse1·, Fithian, Lester, Ga. Perry, \Vi Ison, Mo. ,Atkinson, ,V. Va. Dolliver, l\loore, N. H. Snider, Flower, Lester, Va. Pickler, \Vilson, W. Vo.. Bak; er, Dorsey, l\Iorey, Hpinola, For1nn.n, Lew1s, Pierce, Yoder. Banks, Dunnell, l\Torrill, Spooner, Forney, l\Iagner, Pindar. lleckwitb, Evans, l\Iorrow, SLephenson, Fowler, Maish, Price. Bel cl en, Farquhar, l\Iorse, Stewart, Vt. NAYS-149. Belknap, Finley, l\Iucltl, Stivers, B~rgcn, Floocl, Niedringhaus, Stone, Pa. Adams. Dalzell, ::.\IcKinlcy, Smith, Ill. Diggs, Frank, Nute, 8trublc, Allen, Mich. Darlington, Miles, Smith, W. Vo.. Bingham, Funston, 0'Donne11, Sweney, Andereon, Kans. De Lnno, Miller, Smyser, Bliss, Gear, O'Neill, Pa. Taylor, E. B. Arnold, Dingley, l\Iilli ken, Snitler, Boothman, Gest. Osborne, Taylor, Ill. Atkinson, Pa. Dolliver, l\Iofiitt, Spinola, Boutelle, GifTord, Oweu, Ind. Taylor, J. D. Atkinson, W. Va. Dorsey, l\loorc, N. II. Spooner, Bowden, Greenhalge, Payne, Taylor, Tenn. Baker, Dunnell, l\Iorey, Stephenson, Brewer, Grosvenor, Payson, Thomas, Banks, Evans, l\Iorrill, Stewart, Vt. Brosius, Hall, Perkins, Thompson, Beckwith, Farquhar, :Morrow, Stivers, Brower, Harmer, Peters, Townsend, Colo, Belden, Finley, l\Iorse, Stone, Pa. Browne, Va. Haugen, Post, Townsend, Pa. Belknap, Flick, l\Iutld, Struble, Buchanan, N. J. Hays, E. R. Pugsley, Vandever, Bergen, Flood, Niedringhaus, Sweet, Burrows, Hermann, Quackenbush, Van Schaick, Diggs, Frank, Nute, Sweney, Burton, Hitt, .l-taines. Waddill, Bingham, Funston, O'Donnell, Taylor, E. D. Caldwell, Kennedy, Randall, \Va.de, Blis!>. Gear, O'Neill, Pa. Taylor, Ill. Cannon, Kert\ Iowa Ray, \Valkcr, Boothman, Gil.ford, Osborne, Taylor, J. D. Carter, Ketcham, Heed, Iowa Wallace, l\1ass. Boutelle, Greenhalge, Owen, Ind. Taylor, Tenn. Caswell, Kinsey, Reyburn, 'Vallace, N. Y. Howden, Gros\•enor, Payne, Thomas, Chea!\ le, Knapp, Rife. 'Vheeler, l\Iich. Brewer, Grout, Payson, Thompson, Cheatham, Laidlaw, Rockwell, 'Vickltam, Brosius, Hall, Perkins, Townsend, Colo. Clark, Wyo. Langston, Rowell, \Vil Iiams. Ohio Brower, Harmer, Peters, Townsend, Pa. Cogswell, Lanlling, }{u1;sell, 'Vllson,Ky. B1·owne, Va. Haugen, Post, Vandever, Coleman, l\fason, Sanford, 'Vilson, 'Vasb. Buchanan, N. J. Hays,E.R. Pugsley, Van Schaick, Comstock, l\TcCormick, Sawyer, \Vright, Burrows, Herma.nu, Quackenbush, Waddill, . Culbertson, Pa. l\IcDullie, 8cranto1t, Yardley. Burton, Hitt, Haines. \Vade, Cummings, l\lcKenna, 8cull, Caldwell, Kennedy, Hand all, \Vo.Iker, Cannon, Kerr, Iowa Ray, 'Vallace, l\In.ss. NAYS-Ht Carter, KetC'ham, Reed, Iowa \Valla.ce, N. Y. Alderson, Cowles, La Follette, Peel, Caswell, Kinsey, Bey burn, Wheeler, l\lich. Anderson, l\Iiss. Crain, Laoey, Penington, Ch end le, Knapp, Rife, \Vickham, Bankhead, Cri10p, Lane, Perry, Cheatham, . Laidlaw, Hock well, Williams, Ohio Barnes, Culberson, Tex. Lanham, '.Pierce. Clark, Wyo. T~angston, Rowell, 'Vilson, Ky. Barwig, Dargan, Lawler, Pindar, Cogswell, Lansing, nusscll. Wilson, Wash. Hayne, Davidson, Laws, Price, Coleman, Lodge, Sanford, \Vright-, Blanchard, Dibble, Lee, Quinn, Comstock:, l\Iason, Sawyer, Yardley. Bland, l>ickerson, J,chlbaeh, Heilly, Culbertson, P:i. l\IcCormick, Scranton, Blount, Dockery, Lester, Ga.. lticlrnrdson, Cummings, l\IcDuftie, Scull, Boatner, ;Dunphy, Lester, Va. Robertson, Cutcheon, l\lcKennn, Sherman, Breckinriclge, Ark. Edmunds, Lewis, Rogers, Breckinrirlge,Ky. Ellis, l\Iagne1·, Rowland, NOT VO.XI.N'G-34. Brickner, Fitch, l\Iaish, Sayers, Abbott. Enloe, Kilgore, Stump, Brookshire, Fithian, l\Ian!>ur, Seney, Allen, l\liss. Ewart, Lind, Tracey, Brown, J.B. Flick, l\lartin, Ind. Shively, Hartine, Featherston, O'Neall, Ind.. Turner, Kans. Brunner, Flower, l\Iartin, Tex. Skinner, Browne, T. l\L Gibson, Rusk; Vaux, Buchanan, Va. Forman, McAdoo, Hpringer, Bullock, JI ans bro ugh, Simonds, 'Vheeler, Ala. Buckalew, Forney, l\IcClammy, Stewart, Tex. Clnrk, Wis. Hare, Stahlnecker, Wilkinson, Hunn, Fowler, l\JcClellan, Stockdale, Clarke, Al.a. Henclerson, Ill. Stewart, Ga.. Willcox. Butterworth, . Geary, l\IcComas, Stone, Illo. Co<>per, Ohio Henderson, Iowa Stockbridge, Bynum, Geissenhainer, l\IcCreary, Tarsney, Craig, Houk, Stone, Ky. Campbell, Goodnight, l\Icl\Iillin, Tillman, Cant.lier, Ga. Grimes, l\Iclfae, Tucker, So the motion to lay on the table was rejected. Cam.Iler, l\Iass. Hatch, l\Iills, '.rurner, Ga.. The following additional pairs were announced: Carlton, Hayes, W. I. l\lo11tgome1·y, Turner, N. Y. Caruth, Haynes, l\1001·0, Tex. 'Vashington, Ur. SIMONDS with Mr. WILLCOX, on this vote. Mr. Sil\IONDSwould Catchings, Heard, l\Iorgnn, Whitelaw, vote "nay," l\!r. \VILLCOX "yea.'' Chipman, Hemphill, l\Iutchler, Whiting, Mr. EWART with Ur. O'NEALL, of Indiana, for the rest of the day. Clancy, Henderson, N. C. Norton, 'V11itthorne, Clements, Herbert, Oates, 'Vike, Mr. HENDERSON, of Illinois, with Mr. KILGORE, until further notice. Clunie, llill, 0' Ferrall, \Viley, Mr. Coo PER, of Ohio, with Mr. W1LKINSON, until further notice. Cobh, Holman, O'Neil, .Mass. \Viii cox, Mr. HOUK with Mr. ENLOE, until further notice. Connell, Hooker, Outhwaite, Williams, Ill. Mr. IIOUK. Ur. Speaker, I withdraw my vote. I was paired with Cooper, Ind. Hopkins, Owens, Ohio 'Vil,;on, 1\Io. Cothran, Kelley, Parrett, Wilson, ,V. Va. Mr. E~LOE and voted on the last vote. But I have been re-paired with Covert, Kerr, Pa. Paynter, Yoder. him since. NOT VOTlNG-38. Mr. GROSVENOR. I understand Mr. ENLOE is paired with some Abbott, Enloe, Kilgore, Stone, Ky. body else. Allen, Miss. Ewart, Lind, Stump, Andrew, J<'eatherston, J,odge, Sweet, l\:Ir. HOUK. He was on the former vote, but bas been re-paired with' Bartine, Gibson, l\fcCord, Tracey, me, and I am in honor bound to withdraw my vote. Browne, T. 1\1. Grout, O'Ncall, Ind. Turner, Kans. Mr. STA.HLNECKER. I desire to be recorded on this vote. Bullock, Hansbrou~h, Pickler, Vaux, Clark, 'Vis. Ilare. Rusk, \Vheeler, Ala.. The SPEAKER. On what ground does the gentleman make the re Clarke, Ala. Henderson. Ill. Sta.hlneckcr, Wilkinson. quest? Cooper, Ohio Henderson; Iowa Stewart, Ga. Mr. STA.TILNECKER. At the time my name was called I was un Craig, Houk, Stockbridge, decided as to my vote. I wish to vote "ay." So the motion to reconsider was agreed to. The SPEAKER. The Chair can not direct the vote to be recorded, The Clerk announced the following additional pair: .under the circumstances. The Clerk will recapitulate the vote. For the rest of this day: The vote having been recapitulated, the result was then announced Mr. LODGE with l\1r. ANDREW. as above recorded. The result of the vote was then announced as above ieeorded. 3504 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, J\Ir. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Mr. Speaker, I would ask TRACEY] that he is ill in bed and supposed he iva.s paired with Mr. for a recapitulation, if it is not too late. IlARTI:8E. If present, he woul4 vote "no." The SPEAKER. It is too late to ask for that. The result of the Mr. OWr!N, of Indiana. I heard the Clerk read my name as paired vote has been announced. The question is now on tho third reading with Mr. Coo PER., of Indiana. Our pair was made expressly to operate of the bill. after the present bill bas been voted upon. I The question was taken; and the Speaker announced that the ayes Ur. COOPER, of Indiana. I voted, and I supposed my colleague seemed to have it. voted. Mr. SPRINGER demanded the yeas n.nd nays. l\Ir. OWEN, of Indiana. I also voted for that reason. The yeas and nays were ordered. Mr. BYNUM. I ask for a recapitulation of the vote. The question was taken; and there were-yeas 147, nays 144, not The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks the vote is very close, and the ,·oting 38; as follows: Clerk will recapitulate. The House will be in order. Gentlemen ought YEAS-14i. to see whether they are correctly rec-0rded or not, and the House must Ado.llll!, Cutcheon, McDuffie, Scull, be in order for that purpose. Allen, Mich. Dalzell, l\lcKenna., Sherman, Anderson, Kan!!. Darlington, l\lcK.inley, Simonds, The Clerk recapitulated the names of those voting. Arnold, De Lano, l\Iiles, Smith, Ill. M:r. O'NEIL, of Massachusetts. .Mr. Speaker, I am paired with my Atkinson, Pa. Dingley, l\Iiller, Smith, W. Va. colleague, Mr. COGSWELL. If he were here, he would vote '' ay" and Atkinson, W, Va. Dolliver, l\Iilliken, Smyser, Baker, Dorsey, l\Ioffitt, Snider, I woulcl vote ''no.'' Banks, Dunnell, l\Ioore, N. Il. Spinola, The result of the vote was then announced as above recorded. Bartine, Evans, :Morey, Spooner, The bill was read a. third time. Beckwith," Farquhar, l\Iorrill, Stephenson, Belden, Finley, :Morrow, Stivers, Mr. CANNON, l\Ir. Speaker, I now move to recommit the bill to Belknap, Flick, l\Iorse, Stone, Pa. the Committee on l\Ierchant l\Iarine and Fisheries, with instructions Bergen, Flood, :1\Iudd, Struble, to report forthwith the following which I send to the Clerk's desk. Biggs, Frank, Niedringhaus, Sweet, Mr. HOPKINS. J\fr. Speaker-- Bingham, Funston, Nute, Sweney, Bliss, Gear, O'Donnell, Taylor, E. B. The SPEAKER. The Chair will put the question. Boothman, Gest, O'Neill, Pa. Taylor, Ill. J\Ir. Mc MILLIN. What is the question? Boutelle, Gifford, Osborne, Taylor, Tenn. Bowden, Greenhalge, Owen, Ind. Taylor, J. D. Mr. BLAND. I raise the point of order that it can not be reported Brewer, Grosvenor, Payne, Thomas, forthwith and that the committee can not be so instructed. Brosius, Hall, Payson, Thompson, The SPEAKER. The Ilouse will be in order. The Chair desires Brower, Hanner, Perkins, Townsend, Colo. Browne, Va. Ila.ugen, Peters, Townsend, Pa. to put the question to the Honse. Buchanan, N. J. Ila.ys,E. R. Pugsley, Vandever, Mr. HOPKINS. Before that is done I want to make an inquiry. Burrows, Henderson, Ill. Quackenbush, Van Schaick, Mr. CANNON. I do not yield to the gentleman. Burton, Hermann, Raines. Waddill, Caldwell, Hitt, Ra.nda.U, \Valker, Mr. HOPKINS. Is it parliamentary to move an amendment to Cannon, Kennedy, P..ay, \Vallace, l\Iass. that? If so, I desire to send to the Clerk's desk an amendment. Carter, Kerr, Iowa. Reed, Iowa Wallace, N. Y. The SPEAKER. It is not parliamentary to move an amendment Caswell, Ketcham, Reyburn, Wheeler, l\Iich, Cheadle, Kinsey, Rife, \Vfokham, until the question bas been stated to the House. Cheatham, Knapp, Rockwell, Williams, Ohio Mr. HOPKINS. After that is done I will move an amendment. Clark, \Vyo. Laiulaw, Rowell, Wilson, Ky. The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report to the House the proposition Colema.n, Lar.gston, Russell, \Vilson, Wash. Comstock, Lansing, Sanford, \Vrigbt, of the gentleman from Illinois [?ifr. CANNON]. The amendment would Culbertson, Pa. 1\111.son, Sawyer, Yardley. be in order provided the previous question was not called for. Cummings, l\IcOormick, Scranton, Mr. HOPKINS. I hope the Speaker does not wish that to beunder NAYS~l44. stood as an indication to the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. CANNO~] Abbott, Covert, Kerr, Pa. Penington, to cut off my amendment. AJderson, Cowles, J.acey, Perry, Anderson, Miss. Crain, La Follette, Pickler, The SPEAKE1<. The Chair desires to give no indication whatever Bankhead, Crisp, Lane. Pierce, but to answer the question fully aud completely. ' Barnes, Culberson, Tex. Lanham, Pindar, .Mr. SPRINGER. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a parliamentary inquiry. Barwig, Dargan, Lawler, Price, Bayne, Davidson, Laws, Quinn, The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report to the House the proposition Blanchard, Dibble, Lee, Reilly, of the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. CANNON]. Bland, Dickerson, Lehlbach, Richardson. Mr. BLAND. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of order. I make the Blount, Dockery, Lester, Ga. Robertson, Boatner, Dunphy, IJester, Va. Rogers, point of order that to instruct the committee to report forthwith is not Breckinriuge, Ark. Edmunds, Lewis, Rowland, in order, and I want to reserve that point. Breckinridge, Ky. Ellis, l\Iagner, Sayers, The SPEAKER. The point of order will be reserved. The Clerk Brickner, Fitch, l\Iaish, Seney, .Brookshire, Fithian, l\Iansur, Shively, will read. Brown, J.B. Flower, l\Iartin, Ind. Skinner, The Clerk read as follows: Springer, Brunner, Forman, l\Iartin, Tex. l\lr. CANNO~ moves to recommit the bill to the Committee on Merchant l\Ia Buchanan, Va. Forney, l\IoAdoo, Stewart, Tex. rine and Fisheries, with instructions to report forthwith the following as an Buckalew, Fowler, l\IcClammy, Stockdale, amendment in the nature of a substitute for said bill: Bunn, Geary, McClellan, Stone, l\Io. Buttllrworth, Geissenhainer, l\IcComa.s, Tarsney, 11 To provide for ocean ma.ii service between the United States and foreign p:irts Bynum, Gibson, l\IcCreary, Tillman, and to promote commerce. Campbell, Goodnight, l\lc~Iillin, Tucker, 11 Be it enacted, etc., Thatthe Postmaster-General is hereby authorized and em. Candler, Ga.. Grimes, McRae, Turner, Ga. powered to en~er into cootrac~ for~ ~erm not less than five nor more than ten Candler, Mass. Ila.re, Mills, Turner, N. Y. years in duration, with American citizens, for the carrying of mails on Ameri Carlton, Hatch, l\Ion tgomery, 'Vashington, can steamships, between ports of the United States and such ports in foreign Caruth, Haynes, l\Ioore, Tex. \Vhitelaw, countries, the Dominion ot' Canada excepted, as in hisjudgwent will best sub Catchings, Heard, l\lorgan, \Vhiting-, serve and promote t.he postal and commercial interests of the United States Chipman, Hemphill, l\Iutchler, 'Vhitthorne, the mall service on such lines to be equitably distributed among the Atlantic' Clancy, Henderson, N. C. Norton, Wike,· Mexican, Gulf, and Pacific ports. Such contracts shall be ma.de with the lowesL Clements, Herbert, O'Ferrall, Wiley, responsible bidder for the performance of said service on each route and the Clunie, Hill, Outhwaite, \Villcox, Postmaster-General shall ha"e the right to reject all bids not in h~ opinion Cobb, Ilolman, Owens, Ohio Williams, Ill. reasonable fur the attaining of the purposes named. Connell, Hooker, Parrett, \Vilson, Mo. ''SEC. 2. That before making any contract for carrying ocean mails in accord Cooper, Ind. Hopkins, Paynter, Wilson, W. Va. ance with this a.ct the Postmaster-General shall give public notice by advertis· Cothran, Kelley, .Peel, Yoder. ing once a week for three months in such daily papers as he shall select in each of the cities of Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, New Orleans, St. NOT VOTING-38. Louis, Charleston, Norfolk, S11.vanna.h, Galveston, and l\lobile, and wheu the Allen, Miss. Ewart, l\lcCord, Stone, Ky. proposed service is to be on the Pacific Ocean, then in San Francisco, Tacoma Andrew, Featherston, Oates, Stump, and Portland. Such notice shall describe the route, the time when such con: Browne, T. l\I. Grout, 0' N ea.ll, Ind. Tracey, tract will be made, the duration of the same, the size of the steamers to I.le used Bullock. Ilo.nsbrough, O'Neil, l\Ia.ss. Turner, Kans. the number of tripe a year, the times of sailing, and the time when the scrvic~ Clark, \Vis. Hayes, W. I. Post, Vaux, shall commencA, which shall not be more than three years after the contract Olarke, Ala. Ilenderson, Iowa Rusk, ·Wade shall be let. The details of the mode of advntising and letting such contracts Cogswell, llouk, Stahlnecker, Wheeler, Ala, shn.11 be conducted in the manner prescribed in chapter 8 of Tille XLVI of the Cooper, OLio Kilgore, Stewart, Ga. \Vilkinson. l:evised ::ltatutes for the letting of inland mail contracts so far as the same shall Craig, Lind, Stewnrt, Vt. be applical'lle to the ocean mall service. Enloe, Lodge, Stockbridge, "8Eo. 3. That the vc~ but his impressionfrom the report is thatthe gentlemanfrom}.iissouri The SPEAKER. The question now is on ·agreeing to the motion of [Mr. BLAND], upon consultation with tho friends of the proposition, the gentleman from Illinois [Ur. CANNON], to recommit with the in saw fit to modify it. structions stated. Mr. BL.AND. Well, while I can not examine all the records, it Ur. SPRINGER. I wish to make a parliamentary inquiry. If'this suggests itself to my mind that before that the Speaker bad ruled a question should be decided in the nffirraative, Mr. Speaker, will it not similar proposition to be out of order. require a meeting of the Committee on Merchant l\Ia.rine and Fisheries The SPEAKER. The Chair's impression is tho other way, b~t if in order to report this bill back? there is any precedent on the other side the Chair will be glad to hear The SPEAKER. The Chair will not undertake to answer positively of it. that question without discussion; but there is a decision of one of his Mr. BLOUNT. Mr. Speaker, I desire to submit:m additional point predecessors which points out what seems to the present occupant of of order. the chair the true doctrine, though further discussion may chnnge his The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. opinion. Mr. BLOUNT. I will first read the special order under which we Mr. BRECKL.~RIDGE, of Kentucky. What was that decision? have been proceeding: The SPEAKER. That it would be the duty of the chairman of tho Resolved, Thnt Thurstlay, February 26, the House shall meet at 10 o'clock o.. committee to obeytbe order of the Houscandreportthemeasnreforth- m., and immediately upon tho reading and approval of the Journal resolve it wil~ . self into Committee of the 'Vhole House on tho state of the Union for general debate on the bill (S. 3i33) to place the American merchant mnrine engaged in Ur. SPRINGER. Without going to the committee? the foreign trade on an .eriuality with that of other nations, said general debate The SPEAKER. To report forthwith. to continue until 6 o'clock p. m., unless previously concluded, and that on Fri Mr. HERBERT. I wish to make another parliamentary inquiry. day, February 27, the Hou so sha.11 meet at 10 o'clock a. m., and immediately after the reading and approval of the Journal the llouse shall again resolve itself into If tho chairman of the committee should report this measure back to Committee of the Whole Housoon the state of tho Union for the consideration the House and the House should pass it, it would be an amendment to ofsnlcl bill (S. 373S), for amcn Butt.orworth, Greenhalge, 'Moffitt,' Smyser,. Mr. F A.RQUIIAR. Mr. Speaker, as chairman of the Committee on Calc.lwell, Grout, Moore, N. II. Snider, Oamller, Mass. Hall, . l\Iorey, Spinola, Merchant Marine and Pisheries, I report back, by instructions of the Cannon, Ha.rwer, lUorrill., Spooner, House, for immediate consideration, the following bill in the nature of Carter, Hays,E. R. :Morse, Stepherumn, a substitute for the pending bill. Cas well, H e rmann, l\Iud the Honse did not give, and which the Honse has not instructed him Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. The point I desire to raise to exercise. is prior, necessarily, to the point made by 1.he gentleman from Georgia. A. l\IE."'1DER. Could ibis committee meet during the session of the [Mr. CRISP], and that is that the bill is not now a privileged bill under House? consideration, but must take its place on the Calendar and come up in Mr. CRISP. I do not know whether they have leave to.sit during the ordinary way; that it is not a privileged bill, and that it is not open the Eessions of the House or not; but that would not affect the case. to consideration now. Because this is a question where the chairman of the committee has The SPEAKER. The Chn.ir will hear the gentleman on that point. undertaken to usurp t be functions of the committee and make a report Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. The order of the House is which the committee alone is instructed to make. simply to recommit the bill with instructions to the committee, and If this can be done, then the chairman is the committee. The cha.ir· the instructions are to report forthwith. Now, the rules of the House man is the mouthpiece of the committee. He is not the mouthpiece of require that when a report is made, it must be made in a certain way. the House. The Honse 1.ias instructed a committee to do an act and The instruction that the House gave to that committee in the order did that committee speaks through its chairman, but the chairman can not not change the rules of the House quoad hoc. It simply ordered a re· get up in the House, in the face of a question of this sort, under these port to be made. Then we look into the rules to see how a report shall circumstances, and say he is instructed by a committee. I do not know be made and what shall be done with a bill when the report is made; wl1ethcr the gentleman made that statement or not, but whether he and under those rules the committee must make its report, the report did or not, it is not the fact. He is not instructecl by this committee must be filed, the bill must be put upon the Calendar, must take its to make this report, and if he makes it, he makes it as an individual, place, and come np in the regular order. not in conformity with the instructions of the committee. The regular order may be changed by the Committee on Ilules bring· Mr. BOUTELLE. As instructed by the House. ing in a special order. Now, no privilege has been given to this bill. Mr. FARQUHAR The House has given the instruction11. The House has not conferred any privilege upon this committee except Mr. CRISP. The gentleman from New York (Mr. FARQUHAR] is that privilege to report. It did not give it any higher or other privi· not the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries. That is the lege; and this bill, therefore, as I submit, is not now before the House mistake he makes. for consideration, bnt has to go to the Calendar and takes its place as Mr.FARQUHAR nut I am still the mouthpiece of that committee. any other bill reported from the committee. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Georgia [Ur. CRISP] has the .Mr. BLAND. Mr. Speaker, if the point that I made, that it ought to floor. be considered in the Committee of the Whole, is determined in the Mr. CRISP. The gentleman is a mouthpiece of the committee, but affirmative, then, as a matter of course, it goes on the Calendar of the . only when he is directed by the committee. Whole House on the state of the Union • Mr. WADE. Dy the House. The SPEAKER. The Chair will hear the gentleman. from Georgia Mr. CRISP. Ho has not been directed by the House. The com now. mittee has been directed by tho House, and the gentleman from New · Mr. CRISP. Now, .Mr. Speaker, as it is proposed to proceed to the York assumes to speak for the cocmittee when the committee have consideration of this report, I will call attention to the rules. not authorized him to speak for them. Therefore, I say Mr. Speaker, Mr. McMILLIN. Before the gentleman proceeds I rise to a par· that on that question the gentleman from New York has no right to liamentary inquiry, to know what the Speaker did with the point of submit this order. It is not in accordance with the order of the House order made by the gentleman from Missouri [l\fr. HATcrr] that there · and there is no authority for it. was no report accompanying this bill as stated by him; and in that The SPEAKER. The Cliair desires the attention of the Honse for connection I desire to read from Rule XVIII, section 2, the latter part a moment. of the section: The Chair has some sympathy with the observations which have and all bills, petitions, memorials, or resolutions reported from a committee been made by the gentleman from Georgia [Mr. CRISP], because he shall be accompanied by reports in writing, which shall be printed. himself made somewhat similar observations on the 10th day of July, The SPEAKER. The Chair will hear the gentleman from Georgia. 1886, upon a similar question; but the result was very much n.s the Mr. CRISP. Mr. Speaker, the House having under consideration a Chair will now decide, after stating what ho thinks to be the parlia certain bil1, has referred it to a committee with instrnctions to report mentary condition of affairs. back forthwith with a given amendment. I submit, sir, that when The House of Repre.3entatives, considering the bill that was before the report is made it is governed by the rules of the Rouse exactly the it, passed it with sundry amendments. The rules of·tbe House pro· same as any other report. Suppose it had been committed to a com vide that after a bill bas been ordered to a third reading, that is, after mittee without instructions, and that committee should have reported it passes the amendment stage, then the House has an opportunity to it back how and whenever they saw fit, and they called it up for con· look at the bill as amended, and if not satisfied with it, it has a right sideration, how far, Mr. Speaker, did that instruction given the com under tho rules to recommit with specific instructions. Thn.t is only mittee change ihe standing rules of the House? another method of reconsidering its action. It may very often happen If the committee had the bill without instructions, I take it, Mr. · the Chair will not say very often, because it bas been seldom in the ex Speaker, there can beno question butwhatthereport would ha\e been perience of mem bersof the House-but itmight happen that an amend· made as reports are usually made, and that the bill would have taken ment was adopted by a majority composed of one set of members, and its place on its Calendar where, under the Rules of the House, it be· another amendment adopted by a majority composed of another set of longed. Now, does this fact that the committee arerequired to report members, and that the majority of the House would not be in favor of it back forthwith change that? How comes it, Mr. Speaker, that a both amendments together. direction to report it back forthwith, gives the right to make this re It is to give opportunity to remedy this that the motion to recom port in any different manner than if they had not had an instruction to mit is permitted. Now, the form which that takes is a peremptory report? instruction on the part of the House to the committee to make that Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. If the gentleman will per· return; and it seems to the Chair, after consideration of the matter, mit me just there. "Forthwith " is merely a term expressing time, that it would be adhering too much to technicalities to take the view and nothin~ else. entertained by the gentleman from Georgia [l\Ir. CRISP], and it would Mr. CRISP. Exactly. It seems to me, Mr. Speaker, the only effect seem to be more suitable that the chairman of the committee should of this instruction is this: To define bow it should be reported and fix promptly obey the orders of the House and follow its direction. the time when it should be reported; not to change the method of The gentleman fro:n Georgia is correct in saying that the chairman making the report. It should be reported as any other bill is reported, of the committee is the mouthpiece of the committee, but the commit. not in the open House, but put upon the Calendar under the rules of the ~e itself is the agent of tbe House, and the House bas a perfect right House Wherein does this instruction change that rule? Now, Mr. to order the committee to do its will in whatever fashion it sees fit. Speaker, if I am right about that, then this bill must have its first In response to parliamentary inquiries, the Chair stated to the House consideration in Committee of the Whole. In the first place, this bill what he thought to be the parliamentary law with rej!;ard to it,· and which is now reported has never heen considered in Committee of the the House has acted in that connection. That is the impression which Whole. You may say nominally that the title has been considered; the Chair entertains upon the subject. Such being the case, it seems but this amendment submitted by the gentleman from Illinois [l\Ir. as if the point of order should be overruled. CANNON] in the shape of an instruction has never been considereu in Mr. CH.ISP. l\lr. Speaker, I make the point that this bill must be Committee of the Whole. Tlie rule provides: referred to the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the All motions or propositions involvint;' n tax or clrnrgo upon the people; all Union. proceedings touching appropriations of money, or bills making appropriations of money or property, or requirin,:: such approprintions to be miLde, or nuthor :Mr. B~ECKINlUDGE. of Kentucky. :Mr. Speaker, before that izing payments out of appropriations already made, or releaaing any liability point is made, I desire to raise a preliminary point. to the United St.ates for money or property, shall be first considered inn. Com The SPEAKEH. The gentleman from Georgia [Mr. CRISP] has the mittee of the Whole. floor. n is well understood, Ur. Speaker, that this House can not by in Mr. DRECKINHIDG E, of Kentucky. I reserved all points of or direction violate its rules. There is no evidence in any action of the der, and l understood the Chair to say that he would recognize me. House of any intention on its part to violate any of the rules of the The SPEAKER. .Any point of order is involved in the term "point House or to alter any of the rules of the House except the one spec iii eel, of order.'' the rule permitting a committee to report whenever it pleases. This 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3509 order is to report forthwith; and it tells the committee whaiito report; The SPEAKER. The.Chair supposed that all the points of order and when they make that report I submit, Mr. Speaker, the bill takes had been presented. its place on the Calendar, and when it is called up for consideration it Mr. ROGEHS. The Chair was mistaken about that. is subject to clause 3 of Rule XXIIf, which I have read, and must have The SPEAKER. The Chair called for all the points of order that its first consideration in Committee on the Whole. there were. Mr. BLAND. If! am not very much mistaken, !think the Speaker Mr. ROGERS. The Chair stated distinctly and emphatically that has ruled that it would not be in order to recommit a bill to a commit all points of order could be reserved; and I now rise to make another tee with instructions to report the bill back forthwith for the consid and a distinct point. ' eration of tbe House, and certainly if it is not-- The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman state his point of order? The SPEAKER. What case does the gentleman refer to? l\Ir. ROGEHS. I make the point of order that under the new rules 1111'. BLAND. I can not remember any particular case. · neither the committee nor the chairman of 1,he committee can make a The SPEAKER. The Chair does not recollect any, either. ·report in the manner in which this report 4as been made. Mr. BLAND. Well, I contend, Mr. Speaker, when a bill of that On this point I desire to be briefly beard. By the fifty-first clause character has been referred back to the committee with instructions and of Rule XI, to w bich the Chair· has referred, certain committees of the reported back to the House-does it give it the privilege of immediate House are privileged so far as concerns the making'of their reports. consideration in the House unless that is the instruction? If the This privilege extends to certain committees under the new rules, as Speaker differs with me on that point, and if the House bas not in it did under the old code of rules. And the rule specifies the particu structed the committee to report it back for the consideration of the lar committees to which this privile~e belongs. What is the right of House, then it has lost ita privilege for consideration, and must come committees not thus specified, with reference to the making of reports? back, like any other bill reported by the committee, subject to any By the second clause of Rule XIII, which. was au innovation upon the point of order that m3.y be made upon it, and in this ca-se the point of whole system of our rulE'.s as Neviously existing, it is provided that- order is that the bill must be considered in Committee of the Whole, All reports of committees, except as pr.:n·ided in clause :n of Rule Xf,together never having been considered there. with the views of the minority, shall bC! delivered to the Clerk for printing and If the Speaker bolds that the House can instruct a committee to re reference to the proper Calendar under the direction of the Speaker, in accord ance wilh the foregoin~ clause, and the titles or subjects thereofshall be entered part back a bill for consideration immediately, then this is not such a on tlrn Journal and printed in the RECORD. case, for there is no such order of the House; and if the House can not do that thing, then the bill itself is noti the subject of privilege. Now, I readily see that the Chair in giving bis decision a few mo The privilege of the rule has been exhausted. We are not now oper ments ago made the ruling broad enough to include, under clause 51 ating under the rule with which we began, and consequently when of Hule XI, the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries. B1;1t the bill is reported back to the House it loses its privileged character unfortunately that committee is not em braced· among the committees and is subject to the point of order. there designated; and the Chair can not by construction give that com The House has not ordered this committee to report back this bill mittee a privilege which it has not under the rules, and which the for immediate consideration, bii t simply to report it back ''forth with.'' House has not given it by its own action in making the reference. , I doubt whether the House would have the right to order a committee So I submit, that although this question came up, as the Chair puts to report back a bil1 for immediate consideration; but, whether it has it, in part heretofore, it came up under a different system of rules, a that right or not, it bas not done so jn this case, and therefore the bill system which-did not contain the provision I have cited requiring all is subject to any point of order which may be made upon any bill re reports, except those specially privileged, to be delivered to the Clerk ported from a committee, and the point here is th~t this bill must re for printing and for reference to the proper Calendar. ceive its consideration in the Committee of the Whole. The SPEAKER. Is there any other point of order which any gen The SPEAKER. The Chair would be glad to have the attention of tleman desires to make? the House for a moment. The rules of the House must be construed ~fr. MANSUR. Yes, sir. having them all in view. This method of reference to a committee The SPEAKER. The Chair will hear the gentleman from Missouri after a bill bas been ordered to be engrossed is a part of a fi,Ystem of [Ur. MAKSUR]. consideration. The Chair bas already passed upon some parts of that Mr. MANSUR. Mr. Speaker, I tbinktbatthetroubleherearisesfrom system, and it is not necessary to repeat what he bas said; but, accord a misunderstanding of the word "forthwith" or "immediate " in this ing to the idea of the Chair, when the House ordered the committee to connection. The first function of Congr~s is to make laws; and we reporta particular substitute back'' forthwith,'' that expression carried ought not to permit a rule to be higher than a law. Every lawyer with it the right of immediate consideration ; precisely as in Rule XI knows that in legal practice, whenever anything is ordered by a court the expression "The following-named committees shall have leave to to be done, "forthwith" or "immediately-" means within twenty-four report at any time" carries with it the right of consideration at the hours. time of the report. Mr. BOUTELLE. This was done within twenty-four hours-in fact, Such a course enables the House to finish the business upon which within less than twenty-four minutes. it bas entered, and to finish it in accordance with the wishes of the Mr. MANSUR. The meaning is that the party directed to do a thing members of the House. On the proposition which has been made that "forthwith" or "immediately" bas the whole of twenty-four hours this bill must go to the Committee of the Whole, the Chair desires to within which to do it. If we adopt this construction, so well sanc i·emind the House that the whole subject in the original bill was re tioned by legal practice, there is no trouble in regard to this refer ferred to the Committee of the Whole, and was therein discussed. No ence. The committee when directed to report "forthwith" is entitled one proposed that the substitute which was offered after the House to twenty-four hours in which to carry out the instructions of the came out of Committee of the ·whole should be sent back to that com House. Under this construction the committee would have time to mittee because it had not been there considered. meet aq.d consider and then make report. No more can the substitute which tbe House has ordered to be re I repeat that, as lawyers well understand, the word "forthwith" ported forthwith be sent to the Committee of the Whole for considera or ''immediate" does not mean instanter or "at once," but simply tion, :(or what could that committee do with it? The bill is here by means that the thing ordered to be done "forthwith" or "immedi the order of the House, and the subordinate of the House, the Commit ately" may be done within twenty-four hours; that i'l to say within tee of the Whole, could not act upo:i what the House itself bas already a reasonable time. Taking this view, there would be no trouble ill acted upon. The House bas directed this bill to be brought before it, construing the order of th~ Honse as enabling the committee to meet and to be brought before it through the medium of the committee that and agree upon its report. liad the original bill in charge. . Mr. DIBBLE. l\Ir. Speaker, there is no doubtthat under the opera The whole subject, within the purview of the rules, bas been con tion of the previous question this right of recommitment exists, but sidered by the Committee of the Whole, and the functions of that com the House, in the e~ercise of that right, bas the choice of the commit mittee have been performed. The Committee of the Whole bas re tee to which it may refer or recommit the matter pending. ported, and the result thus far is that the House bas disagreed with Now, Mr. Speaker, the rules of the House must be construed in such the Committee of the Whole so pointedly, thatitbassubstitutecl directly a way that they shall all stand. The proposition which is now brought its own will for the will of the Committee of the Whole, and, after before the House bas in it matter which makes it subject to considera considering the bill, which had been ordered to a third reading, as tion in the Committee of the Whole, and if the Honse had intended to - :l>mended, bas directed the committee in charge of this matter to bring consider it immediately upon its being reported back, the proper com back to the House "forthwith " another bill. It Eeems to the Chair mittee to which to refer it would have been the Committee of the that that is a plain, logical system for the transactiun of business, and Whole, not the Committee on Merchant l\farine and Fisheries. that it will justify itself thoroughly in actual practice in the House. If it bad been committed to the Committee of the Whole, the Chair The Chair is not aware whether this question bas been up fully before, man of that committee under the ruling which the Speaker has made but it has been up to some extent, and the Chair thinks that the de· could have reported it, and then it would have been clear of the point bate on the 10th of July, 1886, will throw light upon the subject for of order; but having been referred to one of•the ordinary committees 1mch gentlemen as desire to examine it. of the House, it must take the regular course of a report from such a l\fr. ROGERS. Mr. Speaker, I desire to make an additional point committee. of order. , The SPEAKER.· The Chair overrules the point of order. The ques Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Does the Chair overrule the tion now is on the motion for the previous question. point of order that I made? Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. I move that the bill which 3510 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. FEBRUARY 27, has been presented by the gentleman from New York [l\Ir. FAnQUilAR] The following additional pairs were announced: be laid on the table. Mr. Srnoxns with Mr. WILLco.:x:, for the rest of the day. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New York bas mO"rnd the Mr. WALLACE, of ltfassachusetts, with l\Ir. FLOWER, for the rest of pre>ious question; and the gentleman from Kentucky mo•cs to lay the the day. b111 on the table. Mr. UcComIIcK with Mr. PENrnGTOY, for the rest of the day. The question being taken, there were-ayes 100, noes 139. ~Ir. HERMANN with l\Ir. DAnGAN, for the rest of the day. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. I call for the yeas and nays. Mr. RANDALL with Mr. CHIP:UAN, on the shipping bill. Ur. RA.N The yeas and nays were ordered. DALL would vote for and Mr. Cmrl\IAN against the bill. The question was taken; and it was determined in the negati•e• The result of the vote was then announced as above recorded. yeas 129, nays Hu, not votiag 54; as follows: Mr. F ARQU.IIAR. l'ilr. Speaker, before renewing the demand for the previous question I desire to submit one or two remarks in respect ." YEAS-1:.?9 . Abbott, Craiu, Kelley. Perry, to this bill [Cries of" Vote!"· "Vote!"] I will not delay the House Alderson, Crisp, J..:err, l'a. Pierce, but one or two minutes, and I think-- Anderson, Miss. Culberson, Tex. Laue, Pindar, Mr. McCREARY. lli. Speaker- Bankhead, Cummings, Lanham, Price, Barnes, Davidson, Lawler, Reilly, Mr. FARQUHAR. I believe I have the floor. Earwig, Dil>ble, Lee, Richardson, l\Ir. McCREARY. I am aware of that, but I simply desire to sub IDand, Dickerson, Lester, Ga. Robertson, mit a parliamentary inquiry. Blount, Dockery, I .. ester, Va. Hogers, Boatner, Dunphy. Lewis, Rowland, The SPEAKER pro tem1wre (Mr. Ilunno"\ls). The gentleman will Boothman. Edmunds, Magner, Rusk, state it. Breckinridge, Ark. Ellis, Maish, 8ayeri; , l\Ir. l\fcCUEAHY. There was a motion made for the previous ques Breckinridge, Ky. Finley, l\fan~ur, Seney, Brickner, Fi tell, Martin, Ind. Shively, tion, and I desire to know what has become of that motion. Brookshire, Fithian, l\Iartin, Tex. Springer, The SPEAKER pro temporc. It has been withdrawn temporarily. Brown, J.B. Forman, McAdoo, Stewart, Tex. Mr. F ARQUHAH. I want to say, Mr. Speaker, that while I can not Brunner, Forney, l\IcClammy, Stockdale, Buchanan, Va. Fowler, l\IcClcllan, Stone, l\Io. say that I have any regret that this bill does not come up to all of my Buckalew, Geary, McCreary, Tarsney, expectations as a friend of the merchant marine in the foreign trade, Bunn, Geissenhainer, 1\Ic:\Iillin, Tillman, yet as a loyal citizen and one who desires to see the flag of his country Bynum, Gibson, 1\fcRac, Tucker, Campbell. Goodnight, 1\Iills, '.ramer Ga on every sea I accept its condition. Candler, Ga. Grimes, .l\Iontgomery, Turner; N. Y. I hold in my hand, Mr. Speaker, a.list of se•enteen nations and of Carlton, Grosvenor, l\Ioorc, Tex. ·washington, four dependencies who expend annually a total of $35, 000,000 on their Caruth, Hare, 1\Iorgan, Whitelaw, Catchings, Hatch, l\Iutcbler, Whiting, shipping to drive the American flag from the seas. Clancy, Haugen, Norton. 'Vike, The question here presented, Mr. Speaker, is a struggle on the part Clements, Haynes, O'Fcrrall, Williams, Ill. of this country against every power on the face of the earth. That is Clunie, Heard. O'Neil, l\Iass. Wilson, l\lo. obb, Hemphill, Outhwaite, Wilson, ,V, Va. why this Committee on Merchant lifarine and Fisheries, desirous to gonnell1,,. Henderson, N. C. Owens. Ohio Yoder. have the best ·knowledge in their possession to place in the hands of the Cooper, J.nd. Herbert, Parrett, American Congress, have given this matter careful, thoughtful, and Co•ert, Holman, Paynter, Cowles, Hooker, l'eel, unremitting consideration, with the view of presenting a bill complete and supreme in all of its features, and which would have the effect to NAYS-116. brin~ back honor and profit to our natioa. The difficulty that has A.dams. Culuel'tson, Pa. l\foComns, Scranton, Allcn, l\lich. Catcheon, 1\IcDutlie, Scull, stood in the way possibly has been this: That I question whether the Anderson, Kans. Dalzell, l\IcKenna, Sherman, American people to-day know the deep disgrncc that attaches to their Arnold, Darlington, :'.IcKinley, Smith, Ill. land in the condition we are now in. Atkinson, Pa. De Lano, 1\liles, Smith, ,V. Va. Atkinson, W. Vet. Dingley, l\Iillcr, Smyser, But, l\fr. Speaker, I herald the bill now before ns, as it comes now Baker, Dolliver, 1\lilliken, Snider, to this Cpngress in its present shape, as the courier that shall bear anew Banks, Dorsey, l\Ioflitt, Spinola, throughout both the hemispheres the announcement that Americans Bartine, Dunnell, l\loore, N. II. Spooner, Bayne, l<'arquhn.r, 1\Iorey, Stahlnecker, are now bound to stand by their flag and the honor of their nation. Beckwith, Flick, Morrill, Stepllenson, [Applause.on the Republican side.] Belden, Flood, l\Iorrow, Stivers, Mr. BLAND. Will the gentleman yield for a question? Belknap, Frank, l\lorsc, Stone, Pa. Bergen, Funston, l\Iudll, Struble, [Cries of "Vote!" "Vote!"] Biggs, Gear, Niedringhaus, Sweet, l\Ir. F ARQUIIAR. Now, Mr. Speaker-- Bingham, Gest, Nute, Sweney, Mr. BLAND. Are yon satisfied that you will not try to get some• Bliss, Gifford, O'Donnell, Taylor. Ill. Boutelle, Greenhalge, O'Neill, Pa. Taylor, J. D. thing else in the conference committee instead of this bill? Will yon Brewer, Grout, Osborne, Taylor, •.renn. not try to get somethiag better in the conference, more to your taste? Brosius, llall, Owen, Ind. Thomas, Mr. FARQUHAR. No; I will say to the gentleman from Missouri Brower, Harmer, Payne, Thompson, Browne, Vn. Hays,E.R. Payson, Townsend, Colo. I h::ise no knowledge who may be the conferees. [Derisive laughter Buchanan, N. J. Hill Perkins, Townsend, Pa.. on the Democratic side.] But I have this much faith that any mnn Burrows, Hitt' Peters, VnndeYer, would stand up in defense of his nation and his flag, and that this Burton, Ken~edy, Post, Waddill, Butterworth, Pugsley, Wade, House will not be disappointed in any conference that may be ordered. Caldwell, ~=r~i:::,a Quackenbush, 'Valker, Mr. BLAND. Ob, you e~ect then to get yonr subsidy in. That Candler, l\Iass. Kinsey, Uaines, Wallace, N. Y. is your purpose all the way through, is it 't Cannon, Knapp, Ray, 'Vheeler, l\Iich. Carter. Lacey, Heed, Iowa Wickham, Mr. FARQUHAR. Now, l\Ir. Speaker, I mo>e the previous ques Caswell, La l<'ollelte, Reyburn, Williams, Ohio, tion. [Cries of "Vote! " "Vote ! "J Cheadle, Laidlaw, Rife, Wilson, Ky. l!Ir. 8PRINGER. I hope the gentleman from New York will allow Cheatham, J;angston, Rockwell, Wilson, Wash. Clark, Wyo. Lansing, Rowell. Wright, me to have five minutes. [Cries of" Rep;u1ar order!"] Cogswell, Laws, Russell. Yardley. The SPEAKER pro temport>. The previous question is demandecl. Coleman. Lehlbach, Sanford, l'i1r. BOUTELLE. Hegular order. Comstock. l\Iason, Sawyer, Mr. F AilQUHAR. It is quite late- NOT VOTING-51. Mr. SPRINGER. AIJow me five minutes? Allen, :Miss. Evans, 1\IcCord, SL ump, l\Ir. FARQUHAR Will tho gentleman be content with three min Andrew, Ewart. l\IcOormick, Taylor, E. B. utes? That is all the time I occupied. Blanchard, Featherston, Oates, Tracey, Bowden, Flower, O'Neall,Ind. Tnrnerl ~ns. l\!r. SPRINGER. Yes; give me three minutes. Browne, T. M. Hansbrough, Penington, VanScwuck, Mr. FARQUHAR. I will withdraw the demand, and allow the Rullock. Hayes, ,V. I. Pickler, Vaux, gentleman from Illinois three minutes. Chipmarl, Henderson, Ill. Quinn, Wallace, 1\Iass. Clark, 'Vis. Henderson, Iowa lia.ndo.11, 'Vheeler, Aln.. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentlemaJl 1rom Illinois is recog Clarke, Ala. Hermann, Simonds, Whitthorne, nized for three minutes. Cooper, Ohio Hopkins, Skinner, Wiley, ltlr. SPRINGER. Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether the gentle Cothran, Houk, Stewart, Gn. Wilkinson, Craig, Kilgore, Stewart, Vt. Willcox. man from New York [:!\fr. l<'ARQUHAU.] is sincere or not when he says Dargan, Lind, Stockbridge, be is satisfied with the action of the House upon this bill. I can as Enloe, Lodge, Stone, .Ky. sure him that the country will l>e 1mtisiled when it learns, as it will So the motion to lay on the table was rejected. learn, from the telegraphic dispatches in the morning papers that bis Mr. BLANCHARD. I am paired with the gentleman from Wiscon· bill, which imposes a burden upon the taxpayers of this country during sin [Mr. VAN ScIIAicK]. Were he present, be would -.ote "no" and the next fifteen years of not less than $200,000,000, has been defeated. I would >ote "ay " on this motion. If this postal-aid bill is satisfactory to him, he is very easily satisilcd; :Mr. EVANS. I have paired for the rest of the evening with my col because at the furthest it will not cost the Go-vernment, if it should league, l\Ir. WIIITTHORNE. Not knowing how he would vote on this become a law, more than a million of dollars a year for ten years. quei:;tion, I can only say that I have refrained from voting, or otherwise That is u. -.ery different sum from the vast millions that this House I should have voted "no." has denied him to·night by its action. I therefore congratulate the 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3511 country that the Representatives of the peol;>le have been so far true to Mansur, Norton, Richardson, Tillman, Martin, Ind. O'Ferrall, Robertson, Tacker, their interests as to defeat that stupendous scheme which he has en l\Iartin, Tex. O'Neil, l\Iass. Rogers, Turner, Ga. deavored to fasten upon the American people, and I also want to con 1\IoAdoo, Outhwaite. Rowland, Turner, N. Y, gratulate the Representatives here that they have been ti:ue to their l\IcClammy, Owens, Ohio Rusk. 'Vashington, l\IcClellan, Parrett, Snye1-s, 'Vhitelaw, trust, notwithstanding they have been beset by the most persistent l'.IIcCre:n-y, Paynter, Seney, Whiting, lobby that ever visited Washington in behalf ofany measure whatever. l\rc~lillin, Peel, Shively, Wike, [Applause on the Democratic side.] I yield the remainder of my time MoRae, Pern-, Springer, Wi1liams, lll. l\Iills, Pierce. Stewart. Tex. Williams, Ohio to the gentleman from New Jersey [.Mr. McAnoo]. [Cries of ''Vote!" Montgomery, Pin The SPEAKER pro tcmporc. Will the gentleman continue to read? Smith, Ill. Stahlnecker, Taylor, Tenn. Wade, Smith,W. Va. Stephenson, '.rhomas, Walker, (Laughter on the Republican side.] Smyser, Stone, Pa. Thompson, Wheeler, Mich. 1\Ir. SPRINGER. I will read it: Snider, Struble, Townsend, Colo, Wright, But it sometimes happens, near the close of Llle session, that one House dis Spinola, Sweet, Townsend, Pa. Yardley. agrees to the other's amendment and thereupon asks a conference. 8poonc1·, Taylor, E. Il. Waddill, 1\Ir. DINGLEY. That is just what is done here. NOT VOTING-Ht 0 Mr. SPRINGER. But the other House bas not disagreed to our Alderson, Craig, Kilgore, Rusk, amendment. Allen, ::\Iiss. Crain. La.Follette, Scranton, Anderson, l\Iiss. Culberson, Tex. Langston, Seney, Mr. DING LEY. TheHou Mr. McCREA.RY. I object.. ,.including full power to authorize the superintcndentof the reservation to make examination and inspection at any time of the manner of using the hot water J The SPEAKER pro tempo1·e. Objection is made, and the Clerk will nt any bath tub, that it may be used in proper quantity only, and to prevent its call the roll. waste; and also full power to provid" and fix reasonable maximum chari:es I HOT SPRINGS (ARK.) RESERVATIOX. for all baths, or bathing privileges, or li!erv ices of any person connected with · any bath house rurnished to bathers; and for reasonable maximum charges to :Ur. PAYSON. Before that is done I rise to present n. conference guests at the Arlington Ilotel; and also. generally, the Secretary of the Interior ma.y make al I necessary rules and regulations as to said bath houses and the report. service therein as shall be deemed best fot• the public interest, and to provide Several ME:llBERS. Ob, no. penalties for the violation of any regulation which may be enforced as thouch Mr. PAYSON. Gentlemen say "no, " but this is a privileged mat provided by act of Congress. All leases and grants of bot-water privileges shall be held to be subject to all regulations now in force or which may be hereafter ter and I have a l'ight to present it. I desire to make a single state adopted by the Secretary of the Interi<>r, and for any violation of any regula ment in connection with it. This is the report of a committee of con tion, known to the p1·oprielor at the time of the offem1e, the lca..e or grant mall' ference on the bill to reorganize the entire business connected with be canceled by the Secretary of the Interior. It shall be expressly provided i~ all leases and grants of privile~e for hot water that the bath house for whlch leases on the !lot Springs reservation in Arkansas. The leases of all provision is made shall not be owned or controlled by any person, company, or the bath liouses on the reservation are expiring, and this bill is unan corporation which may be the owner of or interested (as stock.holder or other• imously reported by the CommiHec on Public Lauds of the Senate, wise) in any other bath house on or near the Hot Springs reservation; that neither the hot-water privilege granted nor any interest therein, our the right and also by the House committee. '.rbe conferees have agreed upon to operate or control said bath house, shall be assigned or transferred by the it unanimously, and it is the desire of the Secretary of the Interior party of the second part without the approval of the Secretary of the Interior that it shall be passed at the earliest possible moment, for the reason first obtained, in writing; and if the ownership or control of said bath house be I transferred to any person, company, or corporation owning or interested in any that no new leases will be made until some legislation is had, and, as I other bath house on or near said reservation, the Secretary of the Interior may. I have stated, the old leases are expiring. It will take but a moment for that cause, deprive the bath house provided for of the hot water and cancel , to dispose of the report. It is satisfactory to the Representatives from the lease or agreement. Ail buildings to be erected on the reservation shall be on plans first approved by the Secretary of the Interior, and shall be required ' Arkansas, Mr. ROGERS, Mr. l\fcRAE, and Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, and lo be fit·eproof &.!! nearly as practicable. , , also to the two Seua.tors from that State. "SEc. 4. That the Secretary of the Interior, before executing any lease to batb Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Mr. Speaker, I haYe several houses or bath-house sites on the permanent reservatioa or contracts for the use of hot water for bath hou!:les off the permanent reservation, may make due times during this session heard the gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. in vesti:-ation to ascertain whether the person, persons, or corporation apply ROGERS] make i·eference to "the Hot Springs bill." [Laughte.·.] ing for such lea A bill (H. R. 3902) to amend an act entitled "An act for the relief UNITED STATES LAND COURT. of certain volunteer and regular l!'loldiers of the late war and the war Mr. CASWELL. I would like to submit a conference repor~ upon with Mexico," approved 1\Iarch 2, 1889; · tbe bill to establish a court for the adjudication of private land claims. A bill (H. R. 4187) for the correction of the army record of Capt. I think there will be no objection. The conferees are unanimous. William P. Hall, United States Army; l\fr. l\IcCREARY. Do I understand this is the land court bill? A bill (H. R. 4224) to remove the charge of desertion against James Mr. CASWELL. Yes, sir; it is the bill providing a court for the de Littleton; termination of private land claims-the bill which my friend has fa- A bill (H. R. 4781) for the relief of William H. Keys; vored so mucb. A bill (H. R. 5587) for the relief of James A. Rice; Mr. .McCREARY. Yes, I have always been in favor of the land A bill (H. R. 6340) for the relief of John Zedeker; court. A bill (H. R. 7342) relating to junk dealers, dealers in second-band The report submitted by l\Ir. CA.SWELL was read, as follows: personal property, and pawnbrokers in the District of Columbia; The committee of conference on the disn1.-reeinit votes of the two Ilouses on A bill (H. R. 7938) authorizing sale of title of United States in lot 3, the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. H.. 9798) to establish a United States in sq.nare south of square 990; land court and to provide for a judicial investigation and settlement of private land claims in the Territories of Utah and New l\Iexico, and the States of Colo A bill (H. R. 8460) for the relief of Hart County, Kentucky; rado, Nevada, and 'Vyoming, having met, after full and free conference have A bill (H. R. 9212) to relie>e John J. Murphy from the charge of de agreed to recommend and do recommend to their respective Houses as follows: sertion; That the House recede from its disagreement to the amendments of the Sen ate, and agree to the same with amendments as follows: ·A bill (H. n. 9955) dedicating part of lots 14 and 15, in square 812, On page 2, in line 3, after the word" and," strike out the word "two" and as a. public alley; insert in I ieu thereof the word "four." A bill [II. R.10500) authorizing the commissioners to grant to the On page 2, in lines 7 and 8, after the word "ninety-five," insert the words "any three of whom shall constitute a quorum." Veteran Volunteer Firemen's Association use of certain property in the On page 15, section lG, in line 10, after the word "land," strike out the word city of Washington; "of" and insert in lieu thereof the words "01· in connection therewith of other A bill (IT. R. 11560) to relieve Patrick J. Bench, alias Patrick lands altogether." On page 16, section 16, in line 38, after tho word "than," strike out the words McBench, from the charge of desertion; "one tract" and insert in lieu thereof the words "one hundred and sixty acres." A bill (II. H.12839) to authorize the Rapides Bridge Company, lim And that the Senate agree to the sa.me. ited, to construct and maintain a bridge across Red River at or near Thnt the House recede from its disagreement to the n.mendment of the tiL!e and ngree to the 11ame. Alexandria, La. ; and J,. R. CASWELL. A bill (H. R. 1358G) in amendment to the various acts relative to im O. P; WICKHAM, migration and importation of aliens under contract or agreement to A. B. l\IONTGOl\lERY, perform labor. Jianagers on the part of the llouse. 1\£. W. RANSOl\I, The message also announced that the Senate had agreed to the re GEOltGE F. EDMUNDS, ports of the committees of conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Jianagers on the part of the Se nate. Houses on the amendments of the Senate to bills of the following titles: Mr. CASWELL. I ask that foe statement of the House conferees A bill (H. R. 5067) for the relief of Archibald Hanley; and be read. A bill (S. 209) to authorize the Secretary of War to cause to be mus- l\Ir. OWENS, of Ohio. I make the point that there is no quorum tered William P. Atwell. · present. · The message also announced that the Senate had agreed to the amend The SPEAKER, pro tcmpotc. The Clerk will read the statement of ment of the House of Ilepresentntives to the bill (S. 1395) amend to the House conferees. sections 2275 nnd 227G of the Revised Statutes of the United States, providing for the selection of lands for educational purposes in lieu of The Cle-rk read as follows: The effect of the agreement is to increase tho number of judges constituting those appropriated for other purposes. the court from three to five, to receive n. salary of $5,000 instcnd of $.3,500, as pro A further message from the Senate, by Mr. McCooK, its Secretary, vided by the House bill. announced that the Senate had passed with amendments bills of the '£he sma.11 landowners are permitted to acquire 160 acres of land in parcels as provided in the House bill, instead of one parcel only, as provided in the following titles; in which concurrence of the House was requested: Senate bilL A bill (H.R.1257) to remove the charge of desertion against Richard The court is to have jurisdiction over the Territory of Arizona. as provided in Weller, and authorizing his honorable discharge; the Senate amendment. N 0 incomplete claim for more than 11 leagues of land can be established o.nd A bill (.II. R. 5208) granting an honorable discharge to David C. patented to one original grantee. Clouse; The House bill contained no limitation. A bill (H. R. 6415) to reissue the pension certificate of N!lnnie W. Clo.imants must.file their petitions withln two years instead of three, provided for in the House bill. Metcalf, and allow her a pension as surgeon's widow; . I,. B. CASWELL. A bill (If. Il. 1052G) to remove the charge of desertion from the rec 0. P. WICKTIAl\£, ord of Ezra Abbott, fate of Company I, Twenty-first Michigan Volun A. B. l\IONTGOl\IEUY, teer Infantry; Managers 01i the p art of the !louse. A bill (TI. H. 1104.0) to relieve Myron A. Eastman of the charge of M:r. McCREARY. I would like to ask the gentleman from Wiscon desertion; and sin [Mr. CASWELL] a question. The number of judges, as I under A bill (H. R. 11069) for the relief of Alfred Crayton. stand, is raised by this report from three, as originally proposed, to Tlie message also announced that the Senate had passell with amend five? ments the bill (H. R. 6170) directing the issuance of an honorable dis Ur. CASWELL. From three to five. charge to David L. Lockerhy, late of Company A, Ninety-sixth New Mr. McCREARY. And the salaries have beenincreasedfrom.$4,000 York Volunteers, asked' a. couference with the House on the bill and to $5,000. amendments, and had appointed Mr. HAWLEY, Mr. l\IA.NDERSON, and Mr. CA.SWELL. The salaries have been decreased from $5,500, as Mr. COCKRELL as the conferees on the part of the Senate. proposed in the House bill, to $5,000. The bill n.s reported from the It also announced tba.t the Senate bad nassed with amendments the conference committee tnkes in Arizona, and it was thought best to bill (II. R. 7155) granting an honorable d'iscbarge to Howard Willison, yield to tho wish of the Senate and provide for five judges instead of asked a conference with the House on the bill and amendments, and three. had appointed l\Ir. MANDERSON, Mr. HAWLEY, and Mr. COCKRELL as Mr. M:cCRE.A.RY. In the bill as passed by the Houae tlJere was a the conferees on the part of the Senate. provision that not more than two of tho three judges should belong It also announced that the Senate had passed with amendments the to one political party. Is there anything of that kind in the bill as bill (H. R. 8230) to amend section 4488, Title LII, of the Revised Stat now reported ? utes as amended by chapter 418 of the acts passed at the second session l\Ir. CASWELL. There 1s not. I will say to my friend that the of the Fiftieth Congress, asked a conference with the Houso on the bill Senate conferee!3 were opposed to making any political discrimination and amendments, and had appointed :M:r. MANDERSON, Mr. DOLPH, whatever in the appointment of the judges; but from assurances that and Mr. KESNA as the conferees on the part of the Senate. were given the Democratic members of.the conference committee, they It also announced that the Senate had passed with amendments the were entirely satisfied to ha.ve the bill in its present form; and they bill (H. R. 9877) directing the Secretary of War to issue an honorable have all agreed to it. discharge to Almond C. ·walker, asked o. conference with the House on Mr. l\fcCREARY. Then all five of tho judges will be Republicans. the bill and amendments, and had appointed Mr. MANDERSON, Mr. l\Ir. CASWELL. It is not probable tbnt they will. IL\.WLEY, and Mr. COCKRELL as the conferees on the part of the Senate. Mr. McCREA.HY. One more question. Will the gentleman from It also announced tliat the Senate bad passed with amendments the Wisconsin tell me what Territories and States are embraced in the bill (H. R. 7616) for the allowance of certain claims for stores and sup bill as now reported? Is Arizona in tho bill? plies taken and used by the United States Army, as required by the l\Ir. CASWELL. It embraces the States of Colorado and Wyoming, Court of Claims under the provisions of the act of .March 3, 1883, known and all the Territories in which there are any of the Spanish land as the "Bowman act," asked a conference with the House on tho bill grants. and amendments, and had appointed Jltir. SPOONER, Mr. MITCIIELL, Mr. l\1cCREARY. It includes, the::i, New Mexico, .Arizona, Utah, and Mr. JONES, of Arkansas, as the conferees on the part of the Senate. and the State of Colorado. Mr. OWENS, of Ohio. I make the point that there is no quorum Mr. CASWELL. .And Wyoming. here. Mr. McCREA.RY. Is Utah in the bill? CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 3515 · .l\1r, CASWELL. I think it is. It was in the bill originally; and mous consent, in preference to a call of the House, for a recess until I do not thin:k that portion has been disturbed at all. · [Cries of 10 o'clock. "Vote!" "Vote!"] Mr. FITHIAN. I object. Ur. OWENS, of Ohio. I make the point that there is no quorum Mr. CANNON. Then say 10.30. present. · l\fr. FITIIIA.N. . I object to that. The SPEAKER pro tcinporc. That will be ascertained .when a vote l\fr. CANNON. A quarter to 11. [Laughter.] is taken. Mr. FITHIAN. I object to that. Mr. CASWELL. We were assured by the Senate conferees that there 1\:Ir. CANNON. WelJ, five minutes of 11, if it pleases his highness. are 95,000,000 acres oflaml involved in this question. . [Laughter.] Mr. CANNON. The point being made that there is no quorum, I l\Ir. FITHIAN. No; I object to that. wish, before that matter is ascertained, to appeal tothegentleman from l\Ir. KERR, oflow:i. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do now Wisconsin to let his report lie on the table so that I may ask unanimous adjourn. consent for nonconcurrence in tbe Senate amendments to the sundry The motion was agreed to. civil bill and the appointment of conferees. It is very important ~hat And accordingly (at 12 o'clock midnight) the Honse adjourned. this should be done, as members can see withou~ further expbnation. Mr. CRISP. I object. EXECUTIVE AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS. Tu. FITHIAN. I o~ject to any unanimous consent. . · !11r. CANNON. Well, I want to say to the gentleman from Georgrn. Under clause 2 of Rule XXfV, the following communications were [Mr. CRISP] that as I understand the gentleman from Tex.as [Mr. taken from the Speaker's table and referred as follows: SAYERS], a member of the subcommittee that assisted in the prepara RETill.ED OFFICERS L'{ THE CIVIL SERVICE. tion of the sundry civil bill, believes that this action ought to be taken, Letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting a list of the retired and so far as I know it is satisfactory. The deficiency bill will be back A.rmy officers in the civil service, in reply to Honse resolution dated here, I presume, to-morrow. The legislative bill is on the table. February 11, l891-to the Select Committee on Ueform in the Civil I am so situated that I shall be upon all these conferences, whoever &rvice. else may be upon them, and I do not belic-rn there is any time to be ALT.A.:\I.A.IIA RIVEil, GEORGIA. lost. I think we shall require almost constant sessions to get through. This is not a labor of love with me, but a labor of necessity, requiring Letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting, with a letter from almost constant work without sleep; and it seemed to me proper to the Chief of Engineers, a copy of the report upon the smvey of the submit this proposition. Altamaha River, Georgia-to the Committee on Rivers and Harbors. l\fr. CRISP. If my friend will pardon the suggestion, you seem to WILLOW SLOUGII. have had plenty of time to take up and consider other matters instead Letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting, with a letter from of the appropriation bills. You gave two days to the subsidy, for in the Chief of Engineers, a copy of the report upon the advisability of stance. reopening Willow Slough or some other channel from the Mississippi :Mr. CANNON. Precisely; but my friend will understand, without River to Quincy Bay-to the Committee on Rivers and Harbors. my referring further to that, that the subsidy bill was a matter that SAMUEL Il. MERRIFIELD YS. THE UNITED ST.A.TES. from a party standpoint was considered. And let that be as it may, whether it was wise or not with the short remaining time of this ses Letter from the assistant clerk of the Court of Claims, transmitting sion, these bills must be settled, or if the gentleman chooses this Con a copy of the :findings of the court in the case of Samuel Il. l\ferri:field gress will close without the appropriations being made. I do not know against the United States-to the Committee on War Claims. that I am agonizing about it. • · Mr. CRISP. l think we ·can attend to that to-morrow, and I will MEMORIALS AND RESOLUTIONS OF ST.ATE LEGISLATURES. object to it to-night. U~derclause 3ofRu1eL"'\:II, the following State memorials and reso Mr. CANNON. Then, if in order, I will move to suspend the rules-- lutions were presented and referred as follows: 1\Ir. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. I make the point of order J3y Mr. HALL: Joint resolution of the Legislature of the State of that it has been two or three times presented to the Speaker that there Minnesota, in favor of a bounty to the First B.egiment Minnesota ~ no quorum present, and nothing is in order until tbat fact is ascer Mounted Rangers-to the Committee on War Claims. tained. A.lso, joint resolution of the Legislature of the-State of .Minnesota, The SPEAKER pro tempore. The motion of thegentlemanfrom Il for the relief of John Fiske-to the Committee on Pensions. linois is not in order at this time. The conference report is pending. Also, joint resolution of the Legislature of the State of Minnesota., Mr. BRECKINRIDGE: of K~ntucky. But! makethe point oforder in fal"or of H. R. 582, introduced by Roni S. E. P .A.YNE, for a canal tliat nothing can be transacted when there is no quorum present. That around Niagara Falls-to the Committee on Railways and Canals. point has been made several times, and I suggest that steps should be By Mr. GEARY: Concurrent re.solution of the assembly of the State taken to ascertain the fact. of California, relative to reserving a reasonable amount of the grazing The SPEAKER pro tempoi·c. The last vote disclosed the presence of land of the Round Valley Indian reservation to the Indians of said a quorum. . reservation-to the Committee on Indian Aftairs. . .l\Ir. CANNON. Well, the best way to ascertain that is to order the Also, concurrent resolution of thG senate of the State of California., yeas and nays upon the motion. relative to reinstating troops at Fort Bidwell, Cal.-to the Committee 1\fr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. There is an order for the on Military .Affairs. yeas and nays already pending. Mr. CA,SWELL. Will not the gentleman allow a vote on this con- ference report? • · RESOLUTIONS. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair will state that the pending Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, the following resolution was intro motion is to concur in the conference report. The gentleman from Ohio duced and referred as follows: bas made the point of order that there is no quorum.present and the Ily l\1r. l\IcCLAl\IMY: Chair stated that that fact would be determined on the vote on the re Whereas the last session of the Fifty-first Congress is drawing rapidly to a port. close; and Whereal! the Committee on Rules has ignored the resolution introduced in The question is on the adoption of the report. this House discharging the Committee on :ways and Means from the further The question was taken, and the Speaker pro tempore announced that consideration of the subtreasury bill, which was referred to that committee the ayes seemed to have it. early in the first session of this Congress; and - Mr. OWENS, of Ohio. I demand a division. Whereas tMs contemplated legislation, so paramount in its importance to the farmers throughout the United States, should be considered by the ltepresont Mr. BUTTERWORTH. Will not my colleague allow me one. mo ati ves on the floor of the House: ment-- Be 'it resolved, '.rhat the Committee on Rules be ~iscliarged from the further consideration of the resolution and that the Committee on Ways andl\Ieans be :Mr. ROGERS. I demand a division. Regular order. directed to report the bill to the Ilouse for immediate consideration. The question was t:l.ken; and on a division there were-ayes 96, Be it further resolved, That nig_ht ses~ions du;inJi!: the remaining days of this noes 7. session be set apart for the cons1derahon of thlS bill; 1\1r. FITHIAN. There is no quorum. to the Committee on Rules. Mr. KERR, of Iowa. I move that the House adjourn. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Does the gentleman make the point that there is no quorum present? REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. 1\fr. FITHIAN. I do. Under clause 2 of Rule XIII, reports of committees were delivered Mr. OWENS, of Ohio. I have several times made the point that to the Clerk and disposed of as follows: . there is no quorum present. Mr. DE LANO, from the Committee on Pensions, reported favora The SPEAKER pr·o tempore. The Chair will ascertain. bly the bill of -the II011se (H. H. 10138) for the relief of Hillel Marks, Mr. ROGERS. Regular order. accompanied by a. report (No. 4011)-to the Committee of the Whole The SPEAKER pro tempore (having counted. the House) announced House. . the presence of 123 members; not a quorum. Mr. NUTE, from the Committee on Invalid Pensions, reported fa.. Mr. CANNON. Now, 1\:Ir. Speaker, I hope thutwe can haveunani- vorably the bill of the Senate (S. 4944) granting n. pension to Maria.S. 3516 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. Whitney, accompanied by a report (No. 4012)-to the Committee of Also, a bill (H. R. 13808) for the relief of Henry C. Chester-to the the Whole Honse. Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. .Mr. SAWYER, from the Committee on Invalid Pensions, reported Also, a bill (II. R. 13809) for the relief of Andrew L. Hall-to the with amendment the bill of the House (II. H. 13702) granting a pen Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. · sion to Levi Paris, accompanied by a report (No. 4013)-to the Com Also, a bill (H. R. 13810) for the relief of John Nicholas-to the Se mittee of the Whole Honse. lect Committee on lridian Depredation Claims. Mr. GROUT, from the Committee on the District of Columbia, to Also, a bill (H. R.13811) for the relief of John Rice-to the Select which was referred the bill of the House ( H. R. 9914) to define the route Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad in the District of Columbia, and Also, a bill (ll. R 13812) for the relief of William Robberts-to the for other purposes, reported, as asubstitnte therefor, a bill (H. R.13796) Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. to define the route of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad in the District Alao, a bill (H. R. 13813) for the relief of Mrs. C. White-tothc Select of Columbia, and for other purposes; which was read twice, and, accom Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. panied by a report (No. 4014), referred to the House Calendar. Dy Mr. GIFFORD: A bill (II. R. 13814) for the relief of Autoine Mr. BURTON, from the Committee on the District of Columbia, re Janis-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. ported favorably the bill of the House (H. R. 9045) for the establish By l\1r. GOODNIGHT: A bill (H. R.13815) for the relief of Harriet ment of an insurance bureau for the protection of public interests in Humphrey-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. the District of Columbia, accompanied by a report (No. 4015)-to the Dy Mr. IIARE: A bill (H. R.13816) forthereliefof Joseph R. Apple Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union. white-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Mr. SWENEY, from the Committee on Commerce, reported with Also, a bill (H. R. 13817) for the relief of J. J. Lawley-to the Select amendment the bill of the Senate (S. 4816) establishing a port of de Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. livery at Des Moines, Iowa, accompanied by a report (No. 4016)-to Also, a bill (II. R.13818) for the reliefof S. G. S. McGarrah-to the the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union. Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Mr. BURTON, from the Committee on Claims, reported favorably Als'.>, a bill (H. R. 13819) for the relief of B. F. Paschal-to the Se the bill of the Senate (S. 268) for the relief of William R. Wheaton and lect Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Charles H. Chamberlain, of California, accompanied by a report (No. By Mr. HERMANN (by request): A bill (H. R. 13820) for the relief 4017)-to the Committee of the Whole Honse. of William 8. Hancock-to the Committee on Patents. Mr. MORRILL, from the Committee on Invalid Pensions, reported By Mr. J03EPH: A bill (II. R.13821) for the relief of Manuelitn. favorably the bill of the Senate (S. 4500) granting a pension to Martha Apadaco, of Grant, N. Mex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depre Allen, accompanied by a report (No. 4018)-to the Committee of the dation Claims. Whole House. Also, a bill (H. R 13822) for the relief of Francisco Sanchez y Ara Mr. LANSING, from the Committee on l\Iilitary Affairs, reported gon or other legal representatives of Juan Jose Sanches Castro, of Las with amendment the bill of the Honse (H. R. 11966) for marking the Lunas, N. 1\1ex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Denredation lines of battle and the positions of troops of the Army of the Potomac rn~mL - and the Army of Northern Virginia at Antietam, l\Id., and for other Also, a bill (H. R. 13823) for the relief of the legal representatives of purposes, accompanied by a report (No. 4019)-to the Committee of Rafael Armijo, of Albuquerque, N. Mex.-to the Select Committee on the Whole House on the state of the Union. Indian Depredation Claims. · . ADVERSE REPORTS. Also, a bill (H. R. 13824) for the relief of Aristide Bourguet, of Under clause 2 of Ru1e XIII, an adverse report was delivered to the Monticello, N. Mex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. · Clerk and laid on the table, as follows: t\lso, a bill (II. R. 13825) for the relief of Jose Chavez, of Las Lunas, By Mr. MANSUR, from the Committee on Claims, on the bill of the N. l\Iex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. House (H. R. 65) for the reliefof Eu~ene D. Crane. (Report No. 4020.) Also, a bill (H. Il. 13826) for the relief of Manuel Alarid y Chavez, of Peralta, N. Mex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation BILLS AND JOINT RESOLUTIONS. Claims. Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, bills of the following titles were in Also, a bill (H. R.13827) for the relief of Teodoro Chavez, of Grant, troduced, severally read twice, and referred as follows: N. Mex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Deprerlation Claims. By Mr. GREENHALGE (by requestj: A bill (H. R.13797) to in Also, a bill (II. R.13828) for the relief of John W. Ellis, of llills· corporate the Three Americas Company-to the Committee on Com- borough, N. Mex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation merce. · Claims. By Mr. FEATHERSTON (by request): A bill (H. R.13798) to in Also, a· bill (H. R. 13829) for the relief of Mrs. P.R. Goodale, of Al crease the volume of money on a real estate and gold and silver basis, buquerque, N. l\Iex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation arid for other purposes-to the .Committee on Coinage, Weights, and Claims. Measures. Also, a bill (II. R. 13830) for the relief of Francisco Lucero, of Cha By Mr. LESTER, of Georgia: A bill (H. R.13861) to authorize the perito, N. Mex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation construction of a J:>ridge across the Savannah River-to the Committee Claims. . on Commerce. Also, a bill (II. R. 13831) for the relief o.f Fernando :!\{ester, or other By l\Ir. CUTCHEON: A bill (H. R. 138G2) to amend an act entitled legal representatives of Pedro A. Mesher, deceased, of Chamita, N. "An act to authorize the President to confer brevet rank on officers of Mex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. the United States Army for gallant services in Indian campaigns "-to Also, a bill (H. R.13832) for the relief of Juan N. Miera, Socorro, N. the Committee on Military Affairs. l\fex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. .A.lso, a bill (lI. R.13833) for the relief of Romola Salazar, of Tome, N. l\Iex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. PRIVATE BILLS, ETC. Also, a bill (H. R. 13831) for the reliefof the legal representatives of Under clause 1 of 'Rule XXII, private bills of the following titles Diego Sanches, of Albuquerque, N. Mex.-to the Select Committee were presented and referred as indicated below: on Indian Depredation Claims. By Mr. BIGGS: A bill (II. R. 13799) for the relief of Charles S. An Also, a bill (H. R. 131:335) for the relief or M. W. Scott, of Fort Win derson-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. gate, N. l\Iex.-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Also, a bill (H. R. 13800) for the relief of Mary J. Arnold or other By )fr. LANHAM (by request): A bill (H. R.13836) for relief of J. legal representatives of Joseph Hil!s & Son-to the Select Committee D. Hay-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claiml'I. on Indian Depredation Claims. Also (by request), a bill (H. R. 13837) for the relief of G. J. How Also, a bill (II. R 13801) for the relief of Charles W. Hill-to the ard-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Also (by request), a bill (II. R. 13838) for the relief of S. B. Owens Also, a bill (H. R. .13802) for the relief of the legal representatives of to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Samuel Lewis-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Also (by request), a bill (H. R. 13839) for the relief of D. B. Wor By Mr. CAINE: A bill (H. R. 13803) for the reliefot'Eugene Schopp~ ren-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. mann, of Cedar City, Iron County, Utah-to the Select Committee on By l\ir. MORRILL: A bill (H. R. 13840) for the relief of W. A. Peter Indian Depredation Claims. son-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Also, a bill (H. R. 13804) for the relief of Samuel Ware, of Manti, San By Mr. MORSE: A bill (H. R. 13841) for the relief of John Dotts Pete County, Utah-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation to the Committee on War Claims. Claims. By l\Ir. PEEL: A bill (H. R 13842) for the relief of J. L. Fisher By l\1r. CARTER: A bill (H. R. 13805) for the relief of Henry Coun to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. tryman-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. Also, a bill (H. R. 13843) for the relief of N. W. Nunnally-to the By Mr. CLARK, of Wyoming: A bill (H. R. 13806) for the relief of Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. T. IL Hopkins-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. By Mr. SPRINGER: A bill (H. H. 13844) for the relief of Anthony By Mr. GEARY: A bill (II. R. 13807) for the reliefof John M. Bar Joseph, ofOjo Caliente, New .Mexico-to the Select Committee on In ron-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. dian Depredation Claims. 1891. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 3517 By Ur. TOWNSEND, of Colorado: A bill (II. R. 13845) for the relief opened by the Government for settlement-to the Committee on In of U. E. Reid-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. dian Affairs. Also, a bill (H. R. 13846) for the relief of E. T. Webber-to the Se- Also, resolutions of many persons and business firms asking for the lect Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. , removal of the restriction of trade between the United States and Can By Mr.VANDEVER: A bill (H. R. 13847) for the relief of S. P. Ash ada-to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. croft-to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. By Mr. LACEY: Petition of the churches of Albia, Iowa, asking that Also, a bill (H. R. 13848) for the relief of Seymour Ayers-to the the World's Fair and other exhibitions aided by the Government be Select Committee ou Indian Depredation Claims. closed on Suuday-t-0 the Select Committee on the ~uadro-Centennial Also, a bill (H. R. 13849) for the relief of Elisha L. Davis-to the of the Discovery of America. Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. By Ur. MILLIKEN: Petition of Board of Trade of Augusta, Me., Also, a bill (H. R. 13850) for the relief of Thomas J. Hutcbison for breakwater at Lynnhaven Bay, near Cape Henry-to the Commit to the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. tee on Rivers and Harbors, Also, a bill (H. R. 13851) for the relief of William Seaton-to the By Mr. O'DONNELL: Petition of 304 residents of Albion, Mich., Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. praying for the passage of the bill "to prohibit the opening of any ex By Mr. WILSON, of Washington: A bill (H. R. 13852) for the re position or exhibitio~ on Sunday where appropriations of the United lief of James Andrews-to the Select Committee on Indian Depreda States are expended "-to the Select Committee on the Quadro-Cen . tion Claims. tennial of the Discovery of America . Also, a bilf (II. R. 13853) for the relief of John W. Harper-to the By Mr. O'FERRALL: Petition of William R. Denny, trustee of Select Committee on Indian'Depredation Claims. Braddock Street Methodist Episcopal Church, Winchester, Va., pray Also, a bill (H. R. 13854) for the relief of Mooney and Nixon-to ing that their claim be referred to the Court of Claims under the Bow the Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. man act-to the Committee on .War Claims. Also, a bill (H. R. 13855) for the relief of Peter Riggs-to the Select By Mr. PERKINS: Resolutions of Alliance No. 715, Grant Town Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. ship, Neosho County, Kansas, praying for legislation for the relief of Also, a bill (H. R. 13856) for the relief of Mrs. Philip Ritz-to the Se the agricultural and industrial classes of the country-to the Commit lect Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. tee on Banking and Currency. Also, a bill (H. R.13857) for the relief of Audrey S. Smith-to the By Mr. SIMONDS: Protest of the ·Hartford Board of Trade, ::igainst Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. the Conger lard bill-to the Committee on .Agriculture. Also, a bill (H. R. 13858) for the relief of James Laughlin-to the By Mr. STONE, of Kentucky: Petition of Dent S. Pash, of Nelson Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. County, Kentucky; also, of Isaac l\f. Bowers, trustee of Cumberland Also, a bill (H. R. 13859) for the reliefof Charlea Rhinehart-to the Presbyterian Church, at Charlotte, Tenn., prayins; forreforence of their Select Committee on Indian Depredation Claims. respective claims to the Court of Claims under the act of l\Iarch 3, Also, a bill (H. R. 13860) for the relief of Peter Weaver-to the Se 1883-to the Committee on War Claims. lect Committee on Indian Depredation Claii;ns. By Mr. STRUBLE: Petition of John Thom and 13 others, citizens of Osceola County; also, resolutions of Ashton A.Ufa.nee, No.1996; also, of Farmers' Alliance No. 1939, Iowa, urging the passage of House bill PETITIONS, ETC. 5353-to the Committee on Agriculture. By l\fr. JOSEPH D. TAYLOR: Petition signed by John H. Mor Under clause 1 of Rtlle XXII, the following petitions and papers were rison and 83 other soldiers of Columbiana County, Ohio, asking for laid on the Clerk's desk and referred as follows: ' the passage of a bill to give prefere~ce to old soldiers in Government By Mr. BUTTERWORTH: A petition of residents of New York, positions-to the Select Committee on Heform in the Civil Service. New Jersey, Kentucky, etc., urging the immediate adoption of a reso Also, petition of the Springfield Township Farmers' Alliance, of Jef lution reported by t.he Committee on Foreign Affairs to consider the ferson County, Ohio, officially signed, and representing 53 voters, in best methods of extending the trade relations between Canada and the favor of closing the Columbian Exposition on the Sabbath-to the Se United States-to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. lect Committee on the Qnadro-Centennialofthe Discovery of America. By Mr. CALDWELL: Two petitions for pension for John Duncan, B.v Mr. VANDEVER: Petition of Murrell Paine, sr., a soldier of of Preston, Ohio-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. the Black Hawk war, for a pension-to the Committee on Pensions. By Mr. COMSTOCK: Petition of citizens of Pelican Rapids, Minn., By l\Ir. WILSON, of Washington: PetitiOn of 39 citizens of the State nsking for passage of Ho~se bill giving States authority to control sale of Washington, relative to House lJill 5353, defining options-to the of oleomargarine-to the Committee on the Judiciary. Committee on Agriculture. ByMr. DELANO: PetitionofLillaD..Pattersonandothers, of Ham Ry Mr. . WRIGHT: Memorial of the Grange of Patrons of Hus ilton County, New York, praying the application of civil-service rules bandry, Susquehanna County; also, of Grange No. 924, ofsame order, to Indian affairs-to the Committee on Indian Affairs. of the same county; also, of Grange No. 9G7, of the same order, in the - By Mr. DUNNELL: Petition ()f L. P. Lawson and 20 others, citizens same county; also, of Grange of the same order in the same county, of Minnesota, asking that the States be authorized to control the man No. 940; also, of Grange 898, of the same order, Wayne County, Penn ufacture and-sale of oleomargarine-to the Committee on the Judiciary. sylvania, in favor of increased volume of currency-to the Committee By !fr. FLOWER: Petition of Independent Refiners and Oil Ship· on Coinage, Weights, and l\Ieasures. pers' Association of the United States, of Oil City; also, of the same organization, at Bradford; also, of the same organization, at Warren, Pa., for certain amendments to the int.erstate-commerce law-to the Committee on Commerce. SENATE. By Mr. GROSVENOR: Petition of the Inuependent Oil Refiners, ask ing for amendments to the interstate-commerce law-to the Commit S.A.'I.'URDAY, Febntary 28, 1891. tee on Commerce. The Senate met at 11 o'clock a. m. By Mr. HA.LL: Resolution'ofWillmar Alliance, No. 814; also, of citi Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. J. G. BUTLER, D. D. zens of Willmar, Kandiyohi County; also, citizens of Higbert, Swift County, Minnesota, in favor of the passage of the option bill-to the The Journal of yesterday's proceedings was read and approved. Committee on Agriculture. DEATII OF GENERAL SIIERMAN. By Mr. HERMANN: Memorial of State Board of Commerce, of Sa The VICE PRESIDENT. The Chair has received a communication lem, Oregon, for improvement of the Upper Willamette River in Ore from the family of General Sherman, which, with the consent of the gon; also, memorial of same organization for completion of work on Cas Senate, he will read. cade Canal and locks on the Columbia River, in Oregon, and for con Xo. 75 'VEST SE>ENTY-FIRST STREET, tinuing of further work at said canal-to tpe Committee on Rivers and New York, February 26, 1891. Harbors. Ilon. LEYI P. l\IonTo:N, Yice Presiclent, Washington, D. C.: Also, petition to reorganize the United States collection district of The family of General Sherman·, receiving with profound gratitu