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Minutes Have Been Seen by the Administration) Ref : CB1/F/1/2 立法會 Legislative Council LC Paper No. FC183/12-13 (These minutes have been seen by the Administration) Ref : CB1/F/1/2 Finance Committee of the Legislative Council Minutes of the 22nd meeting held at Conference Room 1 of the Legislative Council Complex on Friday, 11 January 2013, at 3:00 pm Members present: Hon Tommy CHEUNG Yu-yan, SBS, JP (Chairman) Hon Emily LAU Wai-hing, JP (Deputy Chairman) Hon Albert HO Chun-yan Hon LEE Cheuk-yan Hon James TO Kun-sun Hon CHAN Kam-lam, SBS, JP Hon LEUNG Yiu-chung Hon TAM Yiu-chung, GBS, JP Hon Abraham SHEK Lai-him, SBS, JP Hon Frederick FUNG Kin-kee, SBS, JP Hon Vincent FANG Kang, SBS, JP Hon WONG Kwok-hing, MH Dr Hon Joseph LEE Kok-long, SBS, JP Hon Jeffrey LAM Kin-fung, GBS, JP Hon Andrew LEUNG Kwan-yuen, GBS, JP Hon WONG Ting-kwong, SBS, JP Hon Ronny TONG Ka-wah, SC Hon Cyd HO Sau-lan Hon Starry LEE Wai-king, JP Dr Hon LAM Tai-fai, SBS, JP Hon CHAN Hak-kan, JP Hon CHAN Kin-por, BBS, JP Dr Hon Priscilla LEUNG Mei-fun, JP Dr Hon LEUNG Ka-lau - 2 - Hon CHEUNG Kwok-che Hon WONG Kwok-kin, BBS Hon IP Kwok-him, GBS, JP Hon Mrs Regina IP LAU Suk-yee, GBS, JP Hon Paul TSE Wai-chun, JP Hon Alan LEONG Kah-kit, SC Hon LEUNG Kwok-hung Hon Albert CHAN Wai-yip Hon WONG Yuk-man Hon Claudia MO Hon Michael TIEN Puk-sun, BBS, JP Hon NG Leung-sing, SBS, JP Hon Steven HO Chun-yin Hon Frankie YICK Chi-ming Hon WU Chi-wai, MH Hon YIU Si-wing Hon Gary FAN Kwok-wai Hon MA Fung-kwok, SBS, JP Hon Charles Peter MOK Hon CHAN Chi-chuen Hon CHAN Han-pan Dr Hon Kenneth CHAN Ka-lok Hon CHAN Yuen-han, SBS, JP Hon LEUNG Che-cheung, BBS, MH, JP Hon Kenneth LEUNG Hon Alice MAK Mei-kuen, JP Dr Hon KWOK Ka-ki Hon KWOK Wai-keung Hon Dennis KWOK Hon Christopher CHEUNG Wah-fung, JP Dr Hon Fernando CHEUNG Chiu-hung Hon SIN Chung-kai, SBS, JP Dr Hon Helena WONG Pik-wan Hon IP Kin-yuen Dr Hon Elizabeth QUAT, JP Hon Martin LIAO Cheung-kong, JP Hon POON Siu-ping, BBS, MH Hon TANG Ka-piu Dr Hon CHIANG Lai-wan, JP Ir Dr Hon LO Wai-kwok, BBS, MH, JP Hon CHUNG Kwok-pan Hon Christopher CHUNG Shu-kun, BBS, MH, JP - 3 - Members absent: Dr Hon LAU Wong-fat, GBM, GBS, JP Hon James TIEN Pei-chun, GBS, JP Hon Tony TSE Wai-chuen Public officers attending: Professor K C CHAN, GBS, JP Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury Ms Elizabeth TSE Man-yee, JP Permanent Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury (Treasury) Ms Esther LEUNG, JP Deputy Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury (Treasury) 1 Ms Elsie YUEN Principal Executive Officer (General), Financial Services and the Treasury Bureau (The Treasury Branch) Mr WAI Chi-sing, JP Permanent Secretary for Development (Works) Ms Brenda AU Kit-ying Principal Assistant Secretary for Development (Planning and Lands) 5 Mr LEUNG Koon-kee, JP Director of Architectural Services Ms CHAN Hoi-ming Project Director (2) Architectural Services Department Mr IP Kwai-hang Deputy Head of Civil Engineering Office (Projects and Environmental Management) Civil Engineering and Development Department Ms Doris CHEUNG, JP Deputy Secretary for Labour and Welfare (Welfare) 1 Ms Wendy LEUNG Principal Assistant Secretary for Labour and Welfare (Welfare) 1 Miss Winnie YING Secretary General, Community Investment and Inclusion Fund SecretariatLabour and Welfare Bureau Mrs Elina CHAN Principal Assistant Secretary for Labour and Welfare (Welfare) 3 Mrs Anna MAK Deputy Director of Social Welfare (Services) Miss Cecilla LI Assistant Director of Social Welfare (Elderly) - 4 - Mr Simon KONG Senior Architect Social Welfare Department Clerk in attendance: Mr Andy LAU Assistant Secretary General 1 Staff in attendance: Mr Derek LO Chief Council Secretary (1)5 Mr Daniel SIN Senior Council Secretary (1)7 Mr Ken WOO Council Secretary (1)5 Mr Frankie WOO Senior Legislative Assistant (1)3 Ms Christy YAU Legislative Assistant (1)7 ________________________________________________________________ Item No. 1 – FCR(2012-13)63 RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT SUBCOMMITTEE MADE ON 5 DECEMBER 2012 1. The Chairman advised that the approval of the Finance Committee (FC) was sought for the items set out in FCR(2012-13)63 which were recommended by the Establishment Subcommittee at the meeting on 5 December 2012. No member had requested for separate voting by FC on any item in FCR(2012-13)63. 2. The Chairman put the items in FCR(2012-13)63 to vote. The Committee approved the items. Item No. 2 – FCR(2012-13)64 RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS SUBCOMMITTEE MADE ON 28 NOVEMBER AND 17 DECEMBER 2012 3. The Chairman advised that FC's approval was sought for the items set out in FCR(2012-13)64 which were recommended by the Public Works Subcommittee (PWSC) at the meetings on 28 November 2012 and 17 December 2012. Members of PWSC had requested that item PWSC(2012-13)37 should be considered and voted on separately at the FC meeting. - 5 - 4. The Chairman put the items in FCR(2012-13)64, excluding PWSC(2012-13)37, to vote. The Committee approved the items. PWSC(2012-13)37 Head 103 – BUILDINGS Support – Boundary facilities (other than road works) 13GB – Liantang / Heung Yuen Wai Boundary Control Point and associated works 5. The Chairman advised that the item PWSC(2012-13)37 sought the Committee's approval to upgrade part of 13GB, "Liantang / Heung Yuen Wai Boundary Control Point and associated works – Boundary Control Point buildings and the associated facilities – pre-construction consultancy services", to Category A at an estimated cost of $180 million in money-of-the-day prices, and to retain the remainder of 13GB in Category B. Provision of parking facilities 6. Ms Cyd HO Sau-lan reminded the Administration to address the inadequate provision of car parking facilities in the proposed Liantang / Heung Yuen Wai Boundary Control Point (LT/HYW BCP) project, as raised by members during the discussion at PWSC meeting. Mr YIU Si-wing said that sufficient parking facilities should be provided in proportion to the volume of vehicular flow. Permanent Secretary for Development (Works) (PS(Works)) replied that the present design should be sufficient for the purpose. Nevertheless, the Administration would explore the possibility of increasing the number of parking spaces during the detailed design stage. Traffic handling capacity 7. Given the continued growth in cross-boundary passenger and vehicular traffic, Ms Cyd HO queried whether Hong Kong's road network could cope with the forecast traffic volume, and whether the Administration would restrict the number of vehicles from the Mainland. 8. PS(Works) said that the Administration used a four-stage modelling approach to forecast the passenger and vehicular flows through LT/HYW BCP. The capacity of the cross-boundary transport infrastructure and the impact of the LT/HYW BCP project on the traffic network were also assessed. He said that the Administration did not have plan to restrict the number of Mainland vehicles coming to Hong Kong. If the additional traffic generated by the commissioning of LT/HYW BCP caused congestion on Hong Kong's road - 6 - network, the Administration would implement suitable mitigating measures. 9. Ms Cyd HO asked under what circumstances the Administration would consider restricting the amount of cross-boundary traffic. PS(Works) responded that the Administration would conduct traffic monitoring assessment upon commissioning of the new BCP, and introduce suitable traffic management measures as and when necessary. Ms Cyd HO did not subscribe to the Administration's response and said that the public would have to monitor closely the traffic situation following the commissioning of the LT/HYW BCP. 10. Ms Claudia MO said that the Administration should publicize relevant statistics on traffic impact due to the development of LT/HYW BCP three months after its commissioning. The Administration should then explain whether daily passenger and vehicular flow through the facility should be restricted in the light of the outcome of the findings Redistribution of traffic on other vehicular boundary control points 11. Ms Emily LAU Wai-hing referred to the supplementary information note provided by the Administration (LC Paper No. PWSC19/12-13) and asked if the proposed LT/HYW BCP facility would be able to divert the already saturated traffic away from the other existing BCPs. PS(Works) advised that the proposed LT/HYW BCP was intended to increase Hong Kong's capacity in handling cross-boundary traffic in the eastern part of the Hong Kong's boundary, and to ease the increasing traffic pressure on the other BCPs. In response to Ms LAU's queries, PS(Works) said that, as an illustration, the estimated passenger handling capacity of the Shenzhen Bay BCP was 111 000; the actual average daily passenger trips recorded were 76 600 and the highest daily passenger trips in 2012 were 113 100. With the implementation of additional visitor diversion measures by the Immigration Department, BCPs could handle more passengers. 12. Ms Emily LAU Wai-hing commented that the Administration's supplementary information and PS(Works)'s explanation did not clearly show how the passenger and vehicular traffic through existing BCPs would be eased after the LT/HYW BCP was commissioned. The Chairman requested the Administration to provide further information on the forecast passenger and vehicular traffic across existing BCPs in Lok Ma Chau, Shenzhen Bay, Man Kam To and Sha Tau Kok when the LT/HYW BCP facility came into operation.
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