Third Series, Vol. XLI, No. 35 Thursday, April 8, 1965 Chaitra 18, 1887 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES
(TIURD SERIES)
Volume XLI, I965/I887 (Saka)
[April 2 to I9, I965/Chaitra I2 to 29, I887 (Saka)]
Eleventh Session, 1965/1886-87 (Salta)
(Vol. XLI contains Nos. ]I to 40)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI CONTENTS No. 3S-Thursday, April 8, IC)6s/Chairra 18, 1887 (Saka) CoLUMNS GldlAnawers to Questions- *Sta1'Ied Questions Nos. 790, 791 and 793 to 800 Written Answers to Questions- Stand Questions Nos. 792 and 801 to 808 Urtsrarred Questions Nos. 2060 to 2103 .
CaWug,AUention to Matters of Urgent Public Im~ (i) Reponed proposed visit of Mr. Phizo to China 8429-39; 8453-5S (if} Strike by employees of Kerala State TratI8pOn Corporation 8603-08
~ion of Member (8hri Madhu Limaye) . . 8439-54 \per& laid on the Table 84S5-56 "mmittee on Absence of Members-- Twelfth Report
',stimates Committee-
Sixty-seventh Report 8456
Re : Selection of Speakers 8456-63 Demands for Grants • 8464 Ministry of Information and Broadcasting 8464-70 Shri Hem Barua · 8465-70 Shrimati Ramdulari Sinha ' • 8470-82 Shri M.L. Dwivedi · 8482-89 Shri Solanki 8489-8500 Shri A.N. Vidyalankar 8500-06 Shri Balkrishna Wasnik · 850 6-1I Dr. Ranen Sen · 8512- 23 Shri Ansar Harvani · 852 3-26 Shrimati Shakuntala Devi · 8526-31 Shri Balmiki · 8531-37 Shri Sezhiyan · 8537-42 Shrimati Yashoda Reddy · 8542-48 Shri Khadilkar · 8548-54
*The sign+marked above the name of a member indicates that the Question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (02)
CoLUMNS Sbri Y.D. Singh · 8554-59 Shri C.K. Bhattacharyya . · 8559-66- Shri G.S. Musafir . · 8567--'72 Shri Karni Singbji . · 8572-76 Shri Inder J. Malhotra · 8576--']9 Shri Prakash Vir Shastri . · 8580-87 Shri Bagri · 8587-91 Shri Basappa . · 8591-94 ShriKoya • 8594-96 Shri Vishram Prasad · 8597---99 Shri J.B.S. Bist ·8600-03 Shrimati Indira Gandhi • 8603 LOK SABRA DEBATES
,.[ •L' LOK SABRA zmr-n Q\' (.n "0 Uo ~): ('Ii) ~ I Th ..rsday, Apri! 8, 1965/Chaitra 18, ;srr, 1887 (Saka). (~) ~ ~ it ~Tlf it f;r;f ;mr.rl 'f.T 'RIT ~ 1fil oPR!T ~ ~ TI.~ Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the m it ~ mq; ~ik Clock, 'Iili.m ifmfT ~ I [MR, SPEAKER in the Chair] ( If ) ~ 'fi"q qlff it ozn
made as to the correctness of the "" "0 ,"0 film: 'M ~ ~ widespread belief or suspicion verg- ~ ~ ~ f-;r;r It ~ ~T ing on a charge that several indus- tmlt~tf-;r;rtmlt"l1it trialists who had got foreign exchange from here from the Government also ~ ~, ~'tt ~ fl;m'q; 1id'r it it; maintain secret accounts in foreign 1p:I1' ~ 'lIT iJlI'\" ? banks, particularly Swiss, which they ..perate when they go abroad; if Bel, "" .0 1;to l1'1W: ~ ~ 'lIT with what result? ~m~~~'l"m'~~ I Shri B. B. Bhapt: When any infor- mation or complaint is received, that • "0 ,",,0 fPln : ~ it; ~ is looked into; otherwise there is no 'IIl~~~ ... way of checking it. Mr. Speaker: He wants to know ••0 1;to l1'1W : ~ ~ ~T whether any instances have come to it;mlt;r~~1 the notice of the Government that some industrialists after taking tha • "0 ,",,0 ~ : mq" it ~ exchange from here have gone over IIlld deposited that in their private fiI; ~ fcmiT ~ it; ~)lr ""'" accounts in foreign bal"'ks, particularly f~~it;mT~~' Swiss, if so, what action has been taken . ••0 1;to l1'1W : it ~ ~ it Sitri B. B. Bbagat: Not in this form, that they deposit the same money ~~:~it;mltm in their accotmts. Complaints have ~~, come that some of them maintain such accounts. Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know whether the members of the commo- Shri Bari Vishnu Kamatb: Has dity committees to which the indus- any enquiry been made; i't so with trialists belong are allowed to go what result? abroad for propaganda purposes also? Mr. Speaker: He has only this milch Shri B. B. Bbagat: I do not know information that some have their which commodity committee the hon. accounts abroad. He has not got -Member is referring to. It he asks further details as to where they are about any specific committee I may and so on. be able to say something about it. Sbri Bari Vishnu Kamatb: It is .~~~: it~ clear that he has some information about it. Has any enquiry been made ~.,.". ~ ~ fiI; ~ ,.;'tf fimr into the correctness of the charge; if
The Minister of Flnalllle (Shri T. T. "" ~ ~ : il ~;rr "~6T Krislmamachari) : I cannot accept a ~ .1% ;;IT 1f~ ~qr fif~m it ~ general charge of that nature. .H the· ~ \Vi it; it; ~ ~ ~ f.miT hon. Member gives me any particular ...r.r instance, I can look into it. ,n~it;~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~r ~ 1% flf;if flf;if ~T Shrimati Savitri Nigam: In how many such cases has any enquiry 'liT ;;rr ~ ~ 1I;m: '*~ '''IT qt ..roT, been made by the bon. Minister? ~ .'q'f.t it; ~ ~ ~ iffif 'liT How many cases are still pending m~ ~ 1% ~;;rR it; ~ mr-rr right here in Delhi? ~ ~ \q'h: \Vi it; ...r.r it; ~ ~ 8hri T. T. Krishuamachari: I do ~ f.rmr ~ ~ ~ f !Ift .. o Uo ~ : >ill ~ ~T Mr. Speaker: Are there cases where f.tzmr if.T it~ ~ it; f<;rQ: a:r ;;mft even though returns have been filed ~~it;ifltit'liT'li'r~~ a long time back the .actual assess- ment has not been made? ~1%'lT~t I tl1R~~ qfu 'liT"00<: iI"~R it; ~ ~ Shri T. T. Krishnamaohari: It is a m "" very general charge. According. tp ~fu~it;fto!tpit~~~~ the figures that I have with ttle, 'lif1if it; ~ ;;rf.t ~ I during 1964-65 the arrears were Or41 Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral AlIoSwers 14177,000 cases and the current cases Shri P. B. Chakraverti: In the light 20,36,000 making a total of 35 lakhs, of the experience gained from the out of which the disposal has been operation of the Colombo Plan, may 15 lakhs, giving a percentage of 44,5 I know whether Government has which is an improvement over the devised any scheme of exploring the previous years, possibilities of utilising this Plan in the interest of India as well as in the interest of the countries with ~qq'Rf ~1: lfln ~ iieft' which it is in collaboration? ;;iT iii WR if ~ iffiI' ~ ~f.ti ~.~ Colombo Plan Shri B. R. Bhagat: The Fourth Five Year Plan is still to come up; but + every year we make some provision *793 f Shri p, B, Cbakraverti: in the Budget for this. . L Shrl p, C. Borooah: Shri P. C. Bo~: Which country Will the Minister of FIDaDc:e be is the greatest beneficiary of this -pleased to state: technical training given under the (a) the extent to ,which India has Colombo Plan? provided technicai training assistance under the Colombo Plan since its Sbri B. R. Bhagat: In terms of inceptIon; numbers of trainees the country from where India has received the largest (b) the subjects covered by thE number of trainees is Nepal. The training facilities provided by IndIa; number is 1,741. and Shrlmatl Savitri Nigam: May I (e) whether India has also made know whether any technicians and the services of experts available to experts have ever been trained in various countries in different fields? occupational therapy, phYsiotherapy or something connected with the edu- The MiDIster of PIaDniDc (Shrl B. B. cation of the handicapped? Bhagall): (a) India has provided 2783 training places upto the 31st Decem- Shri B. B. Bhagat: I will want ber. 1964 for the nominees of the notice for that. member-countries under the Colombo Plan; Sbri M. B. KrislUla: May I know (b) Training facilities have been whether the Colombo Plan will also provided in fields such as Agricul- include the exchange of equipment ture, Community Development, ~or for sports goods manufacture and .also estry. health, statistics and vanoUS sports teachers etc.? branches of engineering and techno- 100; Shri B. B. Bhacat: That is a sug- (c) Yes, Sir. gestion for action. Oral Answers CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Oral AtI81Ders ;no ~: ;;0 t~ it the rural areas to the urban areas may """0 I know whether Government ' have 'ITi mt ~, ~ ~ ~ ~ 'fiT ~ considered the possibility of making l!~ it 'flIT ~ t ~ 'flIT ~ more employment opportunities avail- ~l;qif~~~~~? ' able to those people who are running to the cities for seeking employment? ~o 1flRf : ~ ~ ~ The Mbdster of Health (Dr. Sashila "".0 Nayar): The question relates to ur- ~h: ~;r ~ iI!\f q:;;sr t 1Iffl" 1fT iR ban land policy. This question is very ~t I . important, but is separate. CeIIJac on UrbaD LaDcI HoIdiDp Shri IIari V'1SIm1i Kamath: How does the Health Ministry come il~ + here? Why should she be burdeuL-d Shri p. R. Chakraverti: with these matters? rShrt Vidya CharaD -794. { S~: Dr. Susbila Nayar: For the hOIl. Shrt Yadhvir SiDgh: Member's information, the Health lShri Jagllev Singh Sl4tlhaDtI: Ministry is also concerned with. town and country planning and urban land Will the Minister of Health be policy comes under that. pleased to state: (a) whether the Inter-State Com- Shri P. R. Chakraverti: Unlike Shri mittee appointed by Government has Kamath, while appreciating the inter- suggested fixation of ceiling on urban vention of the Health Minister in this land holdings; matter, I .again want to know really whether this basic question of the (b) if so, the other major recom- growth of slums in the cities has been mendations Of this Committee; and considered and, if so .... (C) which of them have been ac- Mr. Speaker: That is not j'ekv8l!t cepted by Government? here. If he has any other questi!)]), The Deputy Minister in the MiDls- he might ask. try of Health (Shrt P. S. Naskar): (a) The Committee on Urban Land Shri P. R. Chakraverti: I have got Policy set up by the Ministry of two other questions; but, why are Health at the instance of the 9th meet- they objecting to the Health Minister ing of the Central Council of Local butting in? Self-Government and the 4th Confer- ence of State Ministers on Town and Shri Harl Vishnn Kamath: W~ did Country Planning held in New Delhi not object .... (Interruption). in September, 1963, has recommended Shri P. R. Chakraverti: I could not that the idea of enforcing a ceiling on urban land holdings should be imple- understand what you object to. mented in all new allotments of land This is the main question affecting made by the public authorities here- after for residential purposes. (Interruption) . (b) and (c). A statement is placed Mr. Speaker: I am not allowing it. on the Table of the House [Placed in library, see No. LT-4158/65]. Shri P. R. Chakraverti: What are you not allowing, may I know? Shrt P. R. Cbakravertl: In the con- text of the experience gained from the Mr. Speaker: I am not allowil1~ the growth of slum areas in all big cities basic question of slums being cleared of India, which indicates the $hifting or the rural p!IOple coming to dties of the unemployed population from for employmenf: Oral Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral Amwers Shri P. R. Chakravllrti: Very well; Shri Dari Vishnu Kamath: My then, I ask another question. In the hon. friend is also welcome on this recommendations a lot of suggestioIlii side. have been made. May I know whether adequate funds have been made Mr. Speaker: These writs of habeas av.ailable for the implementation of corpus can be filed elsewhere and not these development proposals? here. Dr. Sushila Nayar: The concept i, """~~ :~~'fiT~~ that there may be some kind of a ~ ~ ~ ~ :evolving fund for the development of 5lITil iJ1fT fiI; mr the land and if that land is used wise- ~or~~q~'Ii"{~~ ly according to the recommendations 'R ~ ~ ~ m ~ The Minister of Rehabilitation (Shri """ if 0 "Uo l11Rf : ~ ~l~!nR~m: if; ,:'yagi): Will you kindly rescue our am: ~r ~ ~ 'fiT ~ ~ Cf( colleague, Dr. Ram Subhag Singh, ~~~~ l~~~ if; .trom the Opposition, because he is sitting on their benches just now? am:f!RRT~~~ ~~~ .•. Oral Answers C~TRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) WSIM ~ : ~ ~iT ? eft~ n.t: ~ ~ ~ '\fI{ffl" ~ Ai ~ fiI;o;rr ~ \of ~ "" aro ~o ~ : 'Ili: ~ 1 If{ ~ '" t 'CI"R: ~ fiI;o;rr 'fi;;rf ~ ~ Tor ij; ~ f.A;m 'R: 'CI"R: ~ ifRf'i ii; am: t 1 ilr.r ij;;;rf, fiI;o;rr ~ lJ") ~ 'R Ai ~ ott • f.t;a;ft ~ ~ It>1 ~ t.m: fiI;o;rr m'lf ~ ~v.i!i't~'R~;;mrrt 1 i!i't~t ? eft ~.~ : iflIT m: Slari BaDp: It is ju,glery. Shr1 B. a. Bbapt: It is for Ute U'p. Government to decide. • (i~ii"(iiM : ft ~ ;;n;r;:rr Slut D. J. Naik: Axe state govern- ~ ~ Ai 1frof ~ q ;;IT 'I[QT ments repaying their debts regularly Roi1t ~ t, Tof it q ~ q ~ 'I[QT and according to a phased programme? ~ l(Rf')'l{~it''ffift~~q Shri Bauga: How can they do it! 'fi1f ~ it' 'ffif t I Shri B. B. Bbacat: All this is done. Slari B. B. Bhapi: I have to run through this and find out. I have the fDstltutes of Bieher Medieal Educatioa statement.. I can lay it on the Table. + Slari D. C. Sharma: Slari BaIlP: Please do. \ Shri L. N. Bhaaja Deo: Shrimati Malm.oona S1IHaa: • f"" - ~: ft ~ ;;n;r;:rr Shri R. Baraa: ~ ~ Ai fiI;;f fiI;;f ~ it ~ \ Shri A. V. Baghavaa: ~~~ ~~'l[QTRm~? Shri Onkar Lal Berwa: *79G. -{ Shri Rameshwar Tantia: I Shri R. S. Tiwary: ~ ~ : ~ it; ;Jl't it ~ ~,1 c: I Shri P. C. Borooah: Shri Shree Narayan Du: ~iiTOf 'R ~ 1iIT ~ ~ I Shri Subodh HaDSda: 1Shri S. C. Samanta: .nf'l'l'-~: ft~~ Shrl Kanakasabai: ~ ~ ~ I 6'11 ~ 'flft fiI;;f fiI;;f it Will the Minister of Health be 'l{lIf Shri D. C. Sharma: Taking the cue Shri S. C. SaJDaDta: May I know from the bold statement made by tbe whether anyone of theae institutc3 hon. Minister, may I ask her how deals with higher education of indi- many persons who have our MD and genous systems of medicine; if not, MS degrees have been preferred to whether other institutions will be set those who are holding FRCS and other up for this? degree qualificati(lDS in the Ail India Institute of Medical Sciences over Dr. Sushila Nayar: One institute at which she presides? that type has already been set up at Dr. Sushila Nayar: Quite a sub- Banaras, and it is doing valuable work. stsntial number of them. As a matter In theSe other institutions also, the of f.act, many FRCS etc., are coming, departments of Pharmacology will and they generally join as Regis:I'ars deal with any problems of indigenous etc. We have a number of our own medicine that may be referred to people who are in teaching posts all them. over the country, including the All Shri Basappa: The hon. Minister India Institute. was in Bangalore recently. A depuh- tion from Davangere met the hon. "" ~ '""" ~ : It ~ ~ Minister and tried to offer a donation ~ ~ f.t; ~ ~ i\" fiI;o;rr ~ of more than Rs. 20 lakhs. The Chief Minister was also present. May I ~~;n~3:1 know whether the Minister is think- ing of making use of donations offer- ~o ~ '111«: ~ 0Qlf 'fiT ed like that for setting a research in- ~ aT It ~ If'Rf 'fit' ~ ~ ~, stitute or Jor medical education? ap.fffir; ~ ~ '11ft ~ ~ Dr. SDShiIa Nayar: If tbe Davangere it;mr'fl?;~~ t ';Ti"'f~:r~~ people offer this money, we will be ~ ~, .~~ftf~:w~ Dr. SU$hUa Nayar: !i(o, however, I understand. that what the MaharaShtra ,~fmlur ~ it mtr~mr SI'lImrf Goverlmient has probably in miDd' i~ '~~~'Ill"~~~if;~ to offer some type of short training to enable some of the boys and girls ~w ~nmr;r f'flf[ 'W lIT ~ ? ,..-r t who have come out of old n.M.p. Course and the integrated Ayurvedic W'lo~~:~it~ mstitutions and d.eSire to become ,~ ~ Government propose to do with the complaints of bribery and corruption service conditions of the medical gra- against him? d~ates who are going to completE' their studies in the newly coming The Deputy MiDIs&er In the Minis- institutes? try .of FiD8nce (Shri Bamlisbwar Salm): (a) Yes, Sir~ Dr. Sushila Nayar: This question i5 relating to opportunities to be pro- (b) A large number of account vided within the country for post- books, cash, jewellery, fixed deposit graduate training so that our youn!! receipts and prize bonds worth about doctors have no need to go abroad. Rs. 1 lakh were found. As for service conditions, that ill a (e) Government received complaints dtlferent matter. We can take it up that the searches were carried out at separately. the instance of an Income-tax Officer; inquiries show that there is no truth Shri M. R. Krishna: May I know if in the complaints. financial and other requirements have been given to Andhra Pradesh and Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: How many other States which are to set up this premises were raided and what is- the Institute to enable them to set this up total value of the seizures, apart frem in time and a180 whether any foreign the cash recovered? collaboration has been arranged? Shri Rameshwar Sahli: Eight pre- Dr. Sushila Na:rar: The Institute mises were raided; and the amount will be set up by the Government of seized is about Rs. 73 lakhs. India in accordance with the recom- mendations of the Mudaliar Com- Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: May I know mittee. It was recommended by that if searches were made at the house of Committee that the post-graduate any income-tax officer earlier as stat- education is rather expensive and ed in the question and what action has standards must necessarily be high t:l followed thereafter? inspire confidence among all circles. For that purpose they have recom- Shri Bameshwar Sahu: A search was mended that post-graduate institutes made in the house of an income-tax be set up and managed by Govt. of officer and matter is still under in- India and the e:qlenditure on them vestigation. borne by the Government of India. Credit f~ Commerdal Crops Unaeeounted Money in F_bad *798. Shri P. C. Boru.h: Will the ·'97. Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to Minister of FinaDce be pleased to state: state: (a) whether at a conference con- (a) whether it is a fact that searl'1les vened in BoPlbay by the Agricultural were made in Ferozabad by the In- Refinance Corporation it was decided come-tax authorities for unearthing to liberalise credits' for commercial unaccounted money; crops, particularly for plantation (b) if so, the result thereof; and crops; (c) whether Government have re- (b) if so, how far and in what way such credits would be liberalised; and ceivEld complaints that ~~e searches were carried out at the instance and under the direction of an Income~ta:t (c) the impetus that would be given Officer who had been Posted at bv Government to the banks and the Ferozabad fOr four years to terrorise A!!1"icultural Refinance Corporation to those who were believed to have made pursue such a liberal credit policy? Oral Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral Annvers The Minister of PIaDuiDg (Sbri B. R. ~~~if1IT~if~f~T~~ Bbagat): (a) Yes. lfT~mR~~'ij1ftw (b) The Agricultural Refinance Cor- 'f;t~~~'llfT~$~ij;mwr poration has agreed to consider, in suitable cases, the question of waiving 1ft w ~ 'fiTlRf 'm Sbri B. R. Bhagat: So far, they are ducers. The Corporation enters the not in the approved schemes. But :f field where the existing institution3 the hOD. Member makes a suggestion, cannot fulfU their role, like the Apex certainly we will consider it. Co-operative Banks or the general land mortgage banks. Whatever is 8bri M. Malalchami: May I know left over and cannot be covered by whether it is not a fact that the Re- their operations, is taken over by the finance Corporation is not sufficiently Refinance Corporation. helping the cardamom planters in the issue of loans for replantation, which is being affected by some virus? May Shri Ranga: May I take it that Gov- I know whether it has come to the ernment would certainly try to extend notice of the Governmenf;-if so, what the protection of the RefInance Cor- steps have been taken to help the poration to the growers of oilseeds and p)ante~s with adequate finance? tobacco, which make a very good contribution to our export trade and Shri R R. Bhagat: That depend~ also see that the cooperatives of the upon the schemes. The RefInance Cor- growers and also district cooperative poration have approved certain banks which are interested in advanc- schemes, and a large number of ing credit to the growers in regard to schemes are pending consideration. 1f these crops would also he assisted by there is a scheme which is before the this corporation? Refinance .Corporation, certainly it will go into it. Shri T. T. KrfsImamachari: At the moment they have restricted them- 8bri Prabhat Kar: In view of the selves to the categories mentioned. As experience that generally after the I have said specifically, they exclude crop comes in, the prices are low and from their purview anything that it is being hoarded by the middlemen would come within the operation of who get the benefit of the Refinance the central land mortgage banks or Corporation, may I know whether any apex cooperative banks, who have to scheme has been formulated by the look to the interests of the district Refinance Corporation to grant fin- cooperative banks. But if it is nol ances to the cultivators and not to covered, we can make a suggestion to the middlemen as is done now? them. 8bri B. R. Bhagat: Actually it is Sbr! Ranga: What about the two for the development and promotion of crops 1 mentioned? these crops. In the case of these crops I dO not think the middlemen com~ Shri T. T. KrisJmamaehari: At the into the picture. moment, it is not within their pur- view. is a suggestion for action; Shri Daji: We want a clear reply. It can ask them for information. Sir. to the question whether it will be given to the agriculturists or the mid- dlemen. Shri IlaDga: Thank you. S_ hoD. Member!; -yose- ~ ~: tr'IiT tIl'f if; '3'm" Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The ~ 1fTI'I)q'(flCf ~ 'til '1R~ The MiIlIster of Finance (Shri T. T. ~tm:~if;m.m~ KrElmamaehari): The idea is that It should assist the agricultural pro- ~~I Oral A nsWerB APIut 8, 1965 Ora! AnSwers Demands are under consideration of "" ~o 'Uo ~: it ~ ~ ~ the Life In"'lrance Corporation of ~ lit~~flf;lflr~~ India who are primarily concerned ~ I lflr ~ '1ft ~Rf ~ I ~'f 'fT'1 in the matter. ~ ;;IT ~ ~ ~ 'TIl '!iT 'tllT'f ~ ~I Shri Barish Chandra MathUr: Is it not known to the government for a very long time now that these benami Shri Maniyangadan: May I know agents are a source of great corrup- whether the government is aware that tion at the highest levels? May I the Rubber Board has submitted a know whether the goverll'lnent have scheme for the development of rubber thought tibout it and given any direc- plantations, whether the scheme has tion to the corporation? been examined and any decision taken on it for financing it from the Refin- ance Corporation? 8hri B. R. Bhagat: The we did take certain steps to discourage, if not prevent altogether, benami agencies. 8hri T. T. ~ishnama.chari: If the which may in spite of that be there. scheme is pending before the Corpo- in a surreptitious manner. ration, I "must ask for notice. But so far as Rubber :aoard schemes are concerned, there is a scheme for fin- 8hri Barish Chandra Mathur: May ancing under nonnal circumstances. know whether the government are But if there is any pending case, we aware of the deinands made, which will ask for infonnation a!bout the are under consideration by the COr- case -and give it to him if he gives poration, whether the demands have notice. been forwarded to the government or not and whether they were represent- ed to the government, because they Life Insurance Agents FederatioB have not been attended to by the corporation for a long time and they *799. 8hri Barish Chandra Mathur: are long-standing and affecting the Will the Minister of Finance be pleas- functioning of ,he corporat'ion by way ed to state: of less ratio and So on? May I know the government's attitude in this (a) whether Government have con- matter'? sidered the demands of the Life Insu- rance Agents Federation; 8hri B. R. Bhagst: The government (b) if so, Government's reaction in does not come into the picture at the the nyatter; moment. '.rhe LIC is an autonomo.1s board and they are considering this. (c) whether one of the demands is • So, .gOvernment cannot superrmpose to eliminate Benami agents; and themselves on the board which has (d) if so, Government's conclusions been created. on the subject'? 8hri Barish Chandra Mathur: May I know whether they were brought to The Minister of Planninc (Shri B. R. the notice of government or not? Shagat): (a) to (d). The Lite Insu- rance Agents' Federation of India held a convention at Bombay frO':Il Shrt B. R. Shagat: As I said" the 30th September, 1964 to 3rd October, board is considering it. I do not know 1964. The convention adopted ti exactly whether such Q demand came Charter of Demands which included to the ministry. whether it was f()r- inter alia the demand regarding eli- warded or not. But the boal"d 1s. mlnlltion of Benami agencies. 'I1hese looking into it. Oral AnstDe7'B CHAITRA 18, 18&7 (SAKA) Oral Answers Shrlmati Beaa (lbakravarH7: On~ demands, into the particular weight of of the demands of the agents was that eaeh demand and gIve an answer. All there should. be proper training of thoat we can say is that the Life agents before they are given agencies. Insurance Corporation is examin- May I know whether the government ing the demands. or course, Or LIe are considering to agree to it? the demands are not one, two, three or four specific ones, they cover the 8mi B. R. Bbagat: I do not know entire operation of the Life Insurance about it. I want notice. Corporation. Shri Ranga: Sir, the answer that 8hri Sham Lal Saraf: Now that the hon. Minister has given raises a two demands have been highlighted point of pocedure and decorum. He here I would like to ask: One is about said, in answer to a question, that trained personnel, particularly in the they made enquires from the Life management, in the top, middle and Insurance Corporation and they told lower management. The second is them that they were considering this about benami agencies. May I know particular matter. He does not; eYeD whether the Government will take know, after this questiDn has bCE:n ~peedy action in the matter and see given notice of to this Ministry, whe- that these are looked into? ther such a repres£'ntation had been made to his Ministry and whether his 8hti T. T. Krishnamachari: The Ministry has given any consideraticn hon. Member's interest in this matter to it or not. Is that the way, Sir, will be communicated to the Corpo- We have to be de'll!t with? Is it not ration. their duty, the moment this question came to them. apart from whatever reply they received from the Life 8hri Indrajit Gupta: The hon. Insurance Corporation, to find out Minister is surely aware of the fact whether they themselves had rec them in'this connection? If many of these agents whose whole- even that information is not given, time occupation is acquiring business Sir. what are We supposed ", ULder- for the LIC are not paid their cOm- .tand here? mission money for months together and they are finding it impossible to carryon and maintain their The Minister of FiDaaee (8j>ri T. T. family; if so, will steps be taken Krisimamadiari) : The point about any to see that the commission money is this .is this. The demands. " (In- paid to them promptly? terruption). Sir, it is very easy to find fault with Governmpnt for Eome sbri T. T. KriShDamaohari: This d,elnands being presentP.d to a C ar- is the first time I have heard of this pomtion in which the Government complaint. has interest. The demands are 47 a:l.d lIOme of the demands are e"propria- ~~..,...: ;;it~ tory. Naturally, we asked fer a· list of the demands. The Ccrporaticn ~~~~~'3"if~;;it wui be examining suclt of those ~'" fir<;raT ~ ~ ~ ;;it Wlf ~ demands whiah are Te'lSO'labl~. In fact, some of them are very- extra- 1t~~ifRlrm~~'3"if..rr vagant, and there are 47 demands. I ~ ;;q-m f1r.rnl ~ ~ ~ would like to submit in all humility ~'4\"~M~ 1 ~e:l;ffit>' that it is impossible for Governmept for, a sort of, going into 1Ibese 47 ~ it If( m. ;r.rit ~ 1 ~ Ora.l A 7l$Wers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral Answers ~~ '!it ~ ~ ~ W\~ all-India basis to determine rnlDl- ~~~~,wif;fuit'm mUm and maximum salary scales in relation to qualifications and experi- ~ it ~ f1t;crr ~ ? ence; and .n .0 'Uo ~ : ~ "rm 'f>T (b) if so, whether any deCision oos 'f>llI'm~if;msR ShrlBameshwar Tantia: May I giVe any interim relief, before the bow whether it is a fact that there Planning Commission or olher com- ill much difference between basic pay mittees go into the details of a com- and dearness allowance of ~eacher& in prehensive scheme for the improve- different States? If so, what are the ment of the salary scales of teachers? :reasons? Have they been considered? Shri M. C. Chagla: We are consi- SIni M. C. Chagla: It depends u ... on dering what we could do to tide over various factors. Take, for instance, the dffiicnlties in the interim period Uttar Pradesh where the teachers are before we finalize our proposals for very badly paid. There are other the next Five Year Plan. States where the salary scales are comparatively better. It dIffers from State to State, depending on local Shrimati Benu Chakravartty: As eonditions and the financial resources the hon. Minister knows, thge have of the State. been tremendous agitations and sym- pathy has been shown for the cause of teachers and these agitatio'ls have SbriDmti Renua Bay: What is it been withdrawn on the clear under- that prevents the Education Minister standing that something is going to from asking the Planning Commission be done for them at the beginning to set up a Committee? Because, if of the Fourth Five Year Plan. lIIIiI7 the Planning CommiSliion goes into we know wbat is the compr.. hensive this question, it is quite likely that plan which the Planning Commission when it discusses the problem of al- and the Central Government are location to the States, it will keep thinking of implementing or ;ntrOduc- this also in mind. It will also insist ing in order to fulfil at leasl partially 'On the States complying with cer- the demands of the teachers in the tain minimum standards in the Il1'ltter Fourth Five Year Plan? of payment of salaries to lcacbers. Shri M. C. Chagla: Thei'e are many 8hri M. C. Chaela: Even all the schemes that we have considered: one States ·are not agreed on this. Ac- is to have teachers' salai'ies outside cording to the information that we the Plan. Today we have matching bave received, the Sootes of Madhya grants: we pay 50 per cent; but that Pradesh, Maharasbtra, Mysore, Punjab, has not worked. Even today we are Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh and West prepared to pay 50 per cent, but the Bengal have no objection to the set- States say. "We have no resources; ting up of the proposed commission, we want money outside the Plan". If while Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, we give money to one State outside Gujarat, Kerala and Madras have not the Plan, the other States will say, favoured the proposal. There is, "We want the same". The question therefore no unanimous demand even that we have to consider is that of • from the States for the setting up of our resources; but, as I said, we are ~e commission. considering this. For example, the State pays its civil servants as a part of the administrative expenses. I do Dr. Ranen Sen: In view of the re- not understand why the State should a!Dt agitation started by t'le secon- not look upon the salaries of teachers lIary school teachers, which is galher- to be as important as the salaries to big support from the public, does the their civil servants. But they have 'Government think it necessary, or has not done so; they look upon the ·the Government taken any step to teachers' problem as something dis- 161HAi) LSD-2. APRIL 8, 1965 tinct from the problem of adminis- 'iiITIr, ~ ~ SI~~~ ~ ~~, trators and civil servants. In my it opinion, if you pay your civil ser- firmr ~ it ~ lIT ifiTf.!~ it ~~ ? Tants well, you should also pay . your teachers well; but, that primarily is tfIIT~~t? the responsibility of the States. Shri M. C. Chagla: On principle I agree that a person with the same qualifications should be paid the same Dr. Banen Sen: That is where the amount; but, it is one thing enun- Central Government should intervene. to ciate a prinCiple and another thine to persuade the States to carry it out. Shri D. C. Sharma: From the reply which the hon. Education Minister Shri S. M. Banerjee: I would like lias given, I gather the impression that to know whether it is a fact that the while the teachers are su1fering in State Governments are unable to help the teachers because they are not get- IIOIDe of the states, in most States, the Government of India is a help- ting anything from the Centre outside less spectator and the Government of the Plan allocations and that is one India cannot do anything because it of the reasons why nothing is being is a State subject. May I know if done. I would also like to know from the Government of India has any plan the hon. Minister whether he is aware to lift itself from that state of passi- that the teachers in U.P., Bengal and vity and helplessness so far as the Bihar withdrew . their agitation on a teachers of India are concerned from clear assurance from the State Edu- the primary stage to the secondary cation Ministers as also some assur- stage? ance of the Union Education Minister and the Prime Minister that some- thing will be done for them and that if nothing is done, is he aware, there Shri M. C. Charla: We are not in is going to be an all-India agitation a state of passivity. As I said, in the again. May I know the steps taken present Five Year Plan we promised by Government to avert such a crisis? 50 per cent help and many of the States have taken that help and raised Shri M. C. Charla: I have persuad- the salaries of teachers. Unfortu- ed the Finance Minister to look at nately, States like Uttar Pradesh and certain cases which might be treated Bihar are in serious financial difficul- as special cases in the States. The ties. It is not as if the Centre has view of the Government is, in which gone into the state of passivity or has I include the Finance Minister and. not taken sufficient interest in the myself, that we cannot assume the. problem of teachers. I have been whole responsibility for payment to· saying it over and over again that teachers, Which will be an impossible we have got to do something for our responsibility for the Centre to take. teachers. Shri S. M. Banerjee:: Nothing is being given to them. eft~ ~ ~t'i\' : tfIIT ~ Shrl M. C. Chal'la: BUt where a iTR'f 'R: 1ft fq.m: f.f;m' Q(T ~ t f.f; special case is made out, I will cer- tainly persuade the Finance Minister ~ 11<: ~ ~ ~~Wlf: ~1j~ The tariff for the year 1965-66 has been revised by the Delhi Eelectric ~ '!iT ~ ~ ~ J:ffu 'liT'f.T Supply Undertaking with a view to W~I~M!Tl'ii;lT~~ rationlizing the rates under various categories. A statement showing the ;;it ;ffi";f ~ ~m ~, 'flIT ~ 1I'ff existing tariff, the revised tariff from ~a- it ;a;r ~ ~ ~ lIT ~rcr ~ 1st April, 1965 and the reasons there- ~~T~'!iT~~~ fOr is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library, see' No. LT-4159/ 1ft;;r lIT ~ mr ~ ~ll!T ;;mf, SfRr 65]. ~Tfif; ~« mR it ;a;r i!iT ~ Tax Evasion 'Rl ~1m ~ ? rShri DJem Raj: Women teachers have to spend on *SOl j Dr. P. Mant1al.: conveyance etc. So, while granting . 1 Shri GuIshan: increased pay, at least 5 to 10 per l Shri P. L. Barupal: cent more may be given to lady Will the Minister of Finance be teachers. I hope the hOIl. Minister pleased to state: will consider their case sympatheti- cally. (a) whether it is a fact that infor- mation regarding evasion of tax by certain Oil Mills at Jhansi end a Shri M. C. Chagla: Lady teachers number of metal dealers of Morada- have always had a priority on my bad Was supplied to Government list, just as girls' education has always sometime back by certain social had, in my own mind, a priority, workers; because I feel that unless we educate OUr girls,. we cannot educate the (b) if so, the action taken in the nation. matter; (c) whether any prima facie case has been established as a result of the investigation in the matter; and WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (d) the number of concerns involv- ed? Increase in Electricity Charges The Deputy Minister In the MiDfs- try of Finance (Shri Rameshwar *711!. 8m! D. N. Tiwary: Will the Sahu): (a) Yes, Sir. Minister of IrrigatiOn and Power be pleased to state: (b) and (c). Investigations ere in progress. (a) whether it has been decided to further enhance the rates of electri- (d) Cannot be ascertained at pre- city supplied to consU'mers in Delhi; sent. and Foreign Exchange to Sheikh Abc1l1D11h (b) if so, the extent to which it is being enhanced and reasons there- rShrimati Ramdulari Sinha: for'? *802 j Shr! Sidhesltwar Prasad: . 1 Shri Raghunath Singh: The MiDfster of Irrigation and l Shri Braj Dibari Mehrotra: Power (Dr. K. L. Rao): (a) and (b). Will the Minister of Finance be Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written Answers pleased to state: of December, 1965. However its first (a) the quantum of foreign exchange Report is expected to be received in that was granted to Sheikh Abulah about a week's time. for Raj pilgrimage; Pre-fabricated Houses (b) the basis on which the amount in question was sanctioned; and (ihri Yashpal Singh: (c) the nverage amount of foreign *804 SShri Kapur Singh: exchange that is sanctioned for such "1 Shri Dbarmalingam: pilgrimage to an individual pilgrim? l Shri p. C. Borooah: The Minister of Planning (Shrl Will the Minister of Works and B. B. Bhagat): (a) SheiKh Abdullah Housing be pleased to sVa te: was released foreign exchange equi- valent to Rs. ,1000 fO)' Haj Pilgri- mage. (a) whether Government propose to construct pre-fabricated houses (b) This is the normal scale on during the next two years; which exchange is released for Haj. (b) if so, the number of units pro- (e) Rs. 1000. posed to be constructed; (c) whether these houses are meant Pollution of the Jamuna Water for Delhi alone or for other cities also; and *803. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Will (d) the amount allocated fOr the the Minister of Health be pleased to same: refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 10 on the 18th February, 1965 and state: The Minister of Works aDd Hous- (a) whether the Committee appoint- Ing (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) ed to enquire into the causes of the to (d). The Technical Committee set pollution of Jamuna Water has sub- up by this Ministry in 1964, with mitted its report on the 31st March, Prof. M. S. Thacker as Chairman, re- 1965 as required by the Government commended the construction of at Resolution dated the 5th Fabruary, least 2,000 prefabricated houses On an 1965; experimental basis in the next two years. The recommendation of the (b) if so, whether the Report will Committee has been accepted by be laid on the Table; and Government. The question of con- struction of prefabriooted houses in (c) if the reply to part (a) above the general pool for Central Govern- be in the negative, the reasons for ment employees is at present under the del'ay in submission of the report? consideration. However, the Delhi Development Authority haVe decided TIl\, Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila to entrust to the Hindustan Housing Nay~): (a) No, Sir. Factory the construction of 3,000 houses in Delhi at a cost of Rs. 4.48 (b) Does not arise. crores. In addition, the Municpal Cor- (c) In order to en:.ble the Com- poration of Delhi have agreed to mittee to give full consideration to the award to this E'actory the work of various points induded in its terms construction of 1000 houses under the of reference, it has been found neces- Slum Clearance -'Scheme at a cost of ,83ry to extend the term upto the end Rs. 45.65 lakhs. 8395 Written Answers CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answers 8396 "Some Lessons from Five Year Plans" (b) The discussions in Maharashtra were of a general nature. (Shri P. R. Chakraverii: .805 J Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: In Madras, the relief measures . , Shri Subodh Hansela: consequent on the cyclone havoc in l Shri S. C. Samanta: Rameshwaram Wer.. discussed. Fin- ancial assistance to the state Govem- Will th e Minister of Planning be ment, in acordance with the existmg pleased to state: policy, was assured and it was also suggested that the State Government (a) whether Government have exa- may take up advance action on mined the note On "some Lessons from Sethusamudaram Project. to provide the Five Year Plans" prepared by the employment opportunities, for victims Planning Commission; of the cyclone. (b) how far the observations made in the note are endorsed by Govern- In Bihar, the main items that were ment; and discussed are the industrial develop- :r:ent of Barauni area; development of (c) if so, the steps taken to n'arrow industrial areas; establishment of the wide gap oetween plan objedives Cement and Paper Plants; settin.g up and policies? of an Agro Industrial Corporation, a textile Corporation and consumer The Minister of Planning (Shrl industries; construction of a bridge across Ganga at Patna, acceleration B. R. Bhagat): (aY to (cJ. The paper of work on Gandak and Kosi Projects on 'Some lessons from the Five Y C'3r Plans' circulated to the National and the formulation of the Fourth Development Council contains sugges- Plan. The State Government were tions by Smi Tarlolt Singh, Member, asked to send detailed proposals in Planning Commission, based on his the light of the discussions. analysis of problems encountered in the execution of the Five Year Plans. Excise Duties They have been considered in a gene- ral way. in the course of discussions rShri Vidya Charan ShuJda: in the Planning Commission and are .807 j Shri Uikey: being kept in view in work now being " Dr. (}bandrabhaD Singh: done on the preparation of the Fourth l Shri R. S. Pandey: Five Year Plan. Will the Minister of Finance bp. Finance MiDJster's vlslt to States pleased to state: ·806. Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: (a) whether it is a fact that the Will the Minister of Finance be pleas- rates of edditional excise duties on ed to state: textiles, sugar and tobacco fixed in 1957 under the Additional Duties of (a) the names of the States which Excise (Goods of Special Importance) he visited during the last four Act, 1957, haVe remained almost months; and static while the rates of basic excise duty on the said commodities have (b) the problems discussed and con- been increased considerbly from time clusions arrived at? to time; The Minister of Planning (Shri B. R. ('b) whether it is a ract that while Bhagat) : (a) The States visited the states have been raising the rates during the period December, '64 to of sales tax on commodities other March '65 are Maharashtra, Bihar and than textiles, sugar and tobacco since Madras. 1957, they have not been able to obtain 8397 Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written Answers additional revenues froon these com- (c) whether Government have o modi ties by way of ti higher ratc of taken a decision with regard to the taxation thereon; and immediate increase in the allocation of the Krishna waters from the (c) whether Government contem- present estimate? plate any steps to suitably campen- sa:e the States due to the Joss suffer- ed by them on account of the fixity The Minister of Irrigation and Pow- of the rates of additional excise duty? er (Dr. K. L. Rao): (-a) The matter is under consideration. The Minister of Planning (Shri B. (b) Nagarjunasagar and Rajasthan R. Bhagat): (a) There haVe been in- canal are given cent Per cent loan creases in the basic duties in some assistance by the Centre subject tI;> cases in the additional excise duties the state ceilings. The specific request in some cases and in both in some for earmarked loan assistance for cases. In a few cases, however, the Upper Krishna will be duly c~nsider increases in basic duties have been ed when received. proportionately higher th'an th'! in- creases in additional excise duties. (c) No, Sir. (b) While it is generally true that the States have been raising the rates of their sales taxes, the question of their obtaining additional revenues by Demolition of Jhuggies in Deihl way of higher rate of taxation on these commodities does not aris::> be- 2060. Shri Ram Harkh Yadav: Will cause the sales tax on these commo- the Minister of Works and Holl.Siq dities has been· replaced by additional be pleased to state: excise duties. (a) whether it is a fact that in a (c) The recommendations of succes- recent raid in the Capital, 100 Jhug- sive Finance Commissions seek to en- gies on the Yamuna Road, Delhi were sure an equitable distribution 01 l:e- demolished rendering homeless about venues between the Centre and the 400 persons; States. On an overall view therefore no question arises of loss to the States (b) if so ,the circumstances leading and of any need to compensate them. to the demolition Of the said Jhuggies; and (c) the provisions, if any, made for Upper Krishna Project the rehabilitation of the alleged squatters? *808. Shri P. R. Chakraverii: Will the Minister of IrrigatiOn and Power The Minister of Works and Houslnr be pleased to state: (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) to (c). 144 unauthorised huts were (a) whether Government have con- demolished in the Jamuna Bazar area sidered the representation of the on the 13th March, 1965 to clear the Mysore Government -asking the Ctmtre site for laying water mains. Many to treat the Upper Krishna Projed; as of the 'hut dwellers returned and a Central scheme; squatted on the site of demolished structures. They were removed from (b) whether Government propose there on the 20th March, 1965. All to treat the Project on par with the the 144 squatter families were offered Nagarjunasagar and the Ha.)asthan alternative accommodation under the Can-aJ Schemes; and Jhuggi Jhonpri Removal SCheme. 8399 Written Answe1s CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answers 8400 ContrabaDdGoId in Bombay recommended by the State Govern- ments and (iii) amounts paid by Gov- 2061. Shri Ram Harkh Yadav: Will ernment to various voluntary medical the Minister of Finance be pleased to institutions for 1962-63, 1963-64 and state: 1964-65? (a) whether the contraband gold worth 10 lakhs of rUpees was seized The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila by the Central Excise Authorities in Nayar): The particulars of the grants Bombay on the 21st March, 1965; and sanctioned to voluntary medical insti- tutions under the "Scheme of ad hoc (b) if so, the details of the seizure grants to T.B., Leprosy, Cancer and and its consequences? other voluntary medical institutions" are given in the statement at Appen- The Minister of Finance (Shri T. T. dix-I laid on the Table of the House. Krishnamacbari): (a) and (b). In [Placed in library, see No. LT-4161165] the early hours of 22nd March, 1965 Information about the requests against the Central Excise Officers in Bombay which it was not found possible to intercepted a Vauxhall Car and re- sanction any financial assistance for covered 6,920 tolas of foreign marked various reasons is given in Appendix- gold packed in four jackets wrapped II of the said statement. in gunny bags. The value of the gold seized is about Rs. 4,32,000. Two per- sons were arrested. Further investi- Tax Collection gations are in progress. 2064 J Shrimati Savitri Nigam: . \. Shri Yashpal Singh: Patel Study Team Will the Minister of Finance be 2062. Shri Rajdeo Singh: Will the pleased to state: Minister of Planning be pleased to state the action taken on the recom- (a) whether Government are aware mendations of the Patel Study Team that in spite of Section 23 of the for the four Eastern Districts of U.P. Income-tax Act, 1961, which lays in regard to: down that the annual value of any property shall be acording to rent, the (i) setting up of Heavy Industry in Income-tax authorities have also been public and private sectors given wide descretion in the absence separately; of any guiding principle to put any high figure which causes unnecessary (ii) Agriculture; harassment to the public; and (iii) Transport; and (iv) other items? (b) if so ,the steps Government propose to take in the matter? The Minister of P~ (Sml The Minister of Finance (Shri T. T. ft. R. Bhagat/: A statement is laid Krishnamachari: (a) and (b). Section un the Table of the House. [Placed 23 (1) of the Income-tax Act. 1961, in. library, see No. LT-4160165]. states that the annual value of any property shall be determined to be Grants to Medical IDstltutlous the sum fOr which the property might r Shri Dbarmallngam: reasonably be expected to' let from J Shri Sezhlyan: year to vear. According to the pro- lI063. I Shri Motho Goonder: visions 0'£ the Act, the assessment of L Shri Ramabadran: income from property is done Ul1 n national basis and not necessarily Will the Minister of Health be with reference to the actual rent pleased to state the Statewise parti- received or expenses incurred which culars of the grants (i) asked for (Ii) may be lower or higher. Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written AnswerB In actual practice, the assessing found guilty of concealment dUrin~ officers determine the annual value of the past six months? property in one of the following ways: The Minisler of Finance (Shri T. T. (i) by adopting the annual value of Krishnamachari): (a) During the the property as determined by period from 1-1-64 to 31-12-64, 1123& the Municipaf authorities for new assessees were discovered in the the purpose of 1eavYing local Indore Range of Mad!hya Pradesh. taxes; (ii) by adopting the figure of actual (b) Number of new assessees who. rent received; have been brought on the General Index Register during the periOd from (iii) by estimating the figure of rea- 1st July, 1965 to 31st December, 1964. sonable' -rental value according ...... 9527 to the market rates. Number of old assessees who have The assessing officers are required been found guilty of concealment to take care to see that the annual during the same period ...... 324. volve is determined at a reasonable figure. The Government have alse. not received complaints from any quarter in this regard. Evasion of Sales Tax In Deihl f sit tm«rn'f ~ Z065. Shrimatl Savitri Nigam: Will 2067. I sit U1Al'i 'i\'fl1IiT the Minister of FinaDce be pleased 1c lsit'!<'i~ qm state: (a) whether the sales tax provisions 'fm ~ ~) llil: ~ 'f') PlT- eIlifored in Delhi to check evasi~ of>i>1) f~ ? contained legislation is being framed and it will be introduced in the Lok Sabha as soon as it is ready. ~Q\'(~o~~) (lfi) ~ 1964i!flfifi!;ir trit~ Tax Evaders in Indore lfi<:Vff 'f') ~ ~ 5[ 2066. Shrimati Savitri Nigam: Will 5,31,029- the Minister of Finance be pleased to state: 2,76,452 (a) the number of tax evaders who 8,07,481 have been discovered in the Indore range of Madhya Pradesh; and (b) the number of new assessecn ( liI ) 'I'lA~ tn:: ~<:'ffi if who !have been brought on the Regis- ter and the old ones who have beRn 2,18,00,039 'f.qit Ig' PrImary Health ()entree Medical Officers Z Public Health Nurses 2088. f S~ Subodh JIansI1a: 1 L Sbri S. C. Samauta: Nurse " Midwives Trained Dais " Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: Public Healtli Inspectors ":.I Health Assistants a (a) whether it is a fact that the Pharmacist 1 National Health Survey and Planning Clerks 2 Committee contemplates to e~tablish Fitter Mistry three Primary Health Centres per block t1iroughout the country; Inferior Servants 15 The Primary Health Centres already' opened should be upgraded by st~ges (b) if so, whether this objective to reach the above-suggested lev~l. will be fulfilled during the Fourth The existing Primary Health Centres Five Year Plan; and are based on a population of 60,000 to· 80,000 whereas the Bhore Committee envisaged a population for each centre (c) the population which would be between aO,OOO and 40,000. covered per Centre in case the above objective is fulfilled? (b) and (cl. The entire population will De covered by Primary Health Centres on the existing pattern as The Minister of Health (Dr. Susbila possible in the fourth Plan. Under Nayar): (a) The Health Survey and the reorganised pattern there will be Planning Committee had suggested sub-centres under each primary that the new Primary Health Centres Health Centre. to be opened should be on the pattern During the Fourth Plan period it is of the recommendations of the Bhore proposed to augment the staff at the Committee as stated BeToW' in oxder Primary Health Centres as shown to serve a population of upto 40,000:- under: Existing Proposed Main for the IV Centre Pain Main Centre Medical Officer Medical Officers 2 Sanitamspector tSr) Sanitary Inspector Public Health Nurse Health Asstt. (F.P.) . Lady Health Visitor Public Health Nurse/Lady Health Visitors Auxiliary Nurse Midwives. Compounder Compounder I Nurses . 2 Driver . . . I Extension Educator Anciliary staff a8 required Laboratory Technician Dental Hygienist Computor Clerk .... r Store-keeper-cum-Accountant . Driver . . Basic Health Worker Auxiliary Nurse Midwife Anciliary Staff as required. Writt~n Answers APRILS, 1965 FlOOd Protect1oJ& Works in Delhi (b) what better use is planned tar the main building? 2869. Sbri D. N. Tiwary: Will the Minister of Irrigation and Power be The Minister of Works ancl Bousiq pleased to state: (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) and (a) whether it is a fact that a (b). The Government Of Andhra Pra_ large number of works of fiood pro- desh have not so far agreed to the tection and other essential services .in sale of the Hyderabad House in New .Delhi amounting to very huge sums Delhi to the Central Government. have been allotted to National Build- About two months ago the question ing Construction Corporation Ltd., and was again discussed by the Finance National Project Construction. Corpo- Minister and the Minister for Works ratin Ltd. by the Delhi Adrn.inistra- and Housing with the Chief Minister tion; of Andhra Pradesh. He promised to consider the matter but no final (b) if so, the number Of projects decision has been taken as yet. ·allotted to each and the amount In- volved; and (c) whether these Corporations haVe Investment on Export promotion .experience of such works? Industries ne MiJdster of Irrigation aIId 9n. Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: Will ·Power (Dr. K. L. RaO): (a) and (b). the Minister of Planning be pleased ·Only the following two works of the to state: total value of Rs. 5: 56 lakhs have been allotted to and executed by the (a) whether Government have National Projects Construction Corpo- considered the possibility of shifting a ration Ltd. certain amout Of investment from im- port saving industries to exPort pro- (i) Construction Of Tail Regulator motion industries; of .Najafgar!h. Drain Rs. 5 laklls. (ii) Construction of Hume Pipe Cul_ (b) if so, the steps proposed to be vert-cum-Regulator at Kakraula taken in this direction: and .on Delhi Najafgarh Road Rs. 56,000. (c) its likely effect on our economy? ·No such work has been allotted to The Minister of Planning (Shri 'the National Building Construction B. R. Shagat): (a) to (c). The Gov- Corporaion by the Delhi Administra- ernment consider the investment on tion so far. import-saving industries as well as on (c) Yes; so far as the National Pro- export-promotion industries, equally jects construction Corporation is con- important in order to maximise the :cerned. The questin does not arise in availability of foreign exchange for the case of the National Buildings all essential needs. The question of Construction Corporation to whom shifting any part of the ivestment from ODe the other, therefore, doCi no works were aliotted. to 110t arise. Byderabad Bouse, N_ Delhi states' Share la Central Levies 2070. Shri Beda: Will the Minister of .Works and BousiDg be pleased to [Shri P. B. Chakravert1: j1tate: Shri Sivamu.rthl Swamy: (a) the stage at which the proposal Z07Z J Shrimati Savitri Nigam: relating to the purchase of Hyderabacl . l Shri B. G. Dubey: Shrimati MaimOODa Sultan: 1l0use in New Delhi by the Central Shrimati Bamdlliari SlulIa: Government stands at present; and l -11407 Written Answe;s CHAITRA. 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answer8 8408 Will Ute Minister of Finance bE the heredity of the man) be- pleased to state: comes female and with dissimi- lar set of sex chromosomes be- (a) whether Government have re- comes the male. This science is ceived a new formula from Gujarat called cytogenetics. ::for the States' share in the divisible pool of the Central levies; (ii) There are several hormonal glands in the body like the (b) if so, its particulars; testes, ovary, thy=oid, pituitary (c) the extent to which the impJi- adrenal gland, etc., the secre- 'Cations have been found acceptable tions of which regulate thp 10 the Union Goverriment; and manly Or womanly develop- ment of the young child. (d) whether the States have been Because of this influence a man asked to examine the formula and develops !hair on various parts give their reactions? of the body and grows a beard. while a woman develops The Minister of Finance (Shri T. T. breasts, can bear children and Xrislmamachari): (a) No formula as nurSe them. such !has been received, though views on the existing arrangements were The above natural process some- ilxpressed by the State Government times goes astray and individuals while dealing with State finances. Tho;! are born who show mixed sexual matter also falls within the purview features and characters. For examplp, of the Fourth Finance Commission which Ihas already been appointed. a male may develop breasts (Gynaeco- mastia) and a woman may grow beard. (b) to (d). Do not arise: These are cases Of 'Inter-sex'. The Hon'ble Member probably has this in Third Sex mind When' he refers to these cases as 'third sex'. Study of Cytogenetics 2073. Maharajlmmar Vijaya Awmda: and iniluence of hormones is a step in understanding such cases of 'Inter- Will the Minister of Health be pleased 'to state: sex' or 'Third sex". (a) whether it is a fact that the (b) No significant results or fresh Medical Scientists at the All India contribution to the knowledge on this Institute of Medical Scienccs, New subject has been achieved so far, Delhi !have undertaken a study of lIowever, interpretations of such cliJli.. "Third Sex"; and cal ovservatlons are being studied. (b) if so, the result thereof? Harnessing of the Gaaces Waters The Minister of Health (Dr. SIISbiJa Nayar): (a) At the AIl-India Insti- r Shri, S. C. Samanta: tute of Medical Sciences, some clinical 2074. J Shrl M. L. Dwivedi: and laboratory investigations have ") Shrl Suboclh JIaDsda: been undertaken to undE'rstand such l Shri B. E. Das: -cases. Will the Minister of JrriptiOll aDd In all animals-including man-the Power be pleased to state: "Sex of the oJf-spring depends upon -the (a) the number of hydro-electric tollowing two important tactors:- projects investigated so far by the Government of Uttar Pradesh to har- ,(i) The manner in w'hich the female ness the waters of the Ganges. willi egg has been fertilized by the the help from th£> Centre: and . male sperm. The fertilIzed egg containing identical pairs Of sex (b) the number of more projects 'chromosom-s (units determining proposed to be investigated? Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written Answers The Minister of IrrigatiOJt and Power Drainage Pipes in Curzon Road. (Dr. K. L. Rao): (a) and (:b). The New 'Delhi U.P. State authon'ties themselves are investigating all optential hydro- 2076. Shri Hecla: Will the Minister electric sites in the Ganga basin. At of Works and Housing be pleased to. present, ten different sites are under state: investigation by the U.P. authorities and fOur more sites _care proposed to (a) whether it is a fact that the be investigated by them during the Land and Development Office, New fourth Plan period. Delhi had committed to bear the ex- penditure of laying drainage pipes in Curzon Road and other areas upgraded Thermal Plants for Delhi in the Master Plan for intensive com- mercial use; rShri Hecla: (b) the reasons for the non-fulfil- 2075. ~ Shrl Naval Prabhakar: ment of the assurance; l Shri Rameshwar TaDtia: (c) whether it is a fact that the- Land and Development Organisation Will the Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to statp: would be the real beneficiary in col- lecting the betterment charges from (a) the number of thermal plants these areas; and with their capacity that are being (d) if so, the total amount involved? installed in Delhi; Minister of Works and BousiDg (b) the reasons for not tapping the The (Shrl Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) and resOUrces from Bhakra; and (b). No such commitment has been (c) how the cost between these twtJ made. compare? (c) and (d). The Land ana Development Organisation will recover The Minister of Irrigation and Power additional charges fOr permitting the (Dr. K. L. Rao): (a) The following change of use of land from "residen- th"rmal plants are being installed in tial" to "commercial". These charges D"lh;:- are leviable in terms of the lease deeds but it is difficult to indicate (i) 15 MW set at Rajghat Power House. their total arilount at this stage. (li) 3 x 62 -5 MW sets at Indra- Currency in CircuIatinn prastha Power Station. f Shrl Bibhutl Mishra: (b) This is being done subject to 2070. L Shrl Kalla Venkaiah: the availability of power. Will the Minister of Finance be (e) The cost of generation from the pleased to state: existing 36 M.W. unit in 'C' power station is about 6'0 paise per unit. (a) the total currencv in rupees The anticipated cost llf generation issued by the Reserve Bank of India from the LP. Station Extension Pro- till the 16th February, 19f15; ject based .on the project estimate as (b) the total value of currency in sanctioned by the Planning Commis- different denominations returned to sion,DESU's share of the cost of the Reserve Bank as spoiled notes tlll Yamuna Barrage and the present coal the above mentioned date; and cost, would be about 4'SO paise per unit. The import of power from (e) the total rupees currency in Bhakra system to DESU costs about circulation in the black market at 4:2 paise per unit. present? !84I1 Written AflBtDer8 CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written AflBtDers 8412 The MiDlster of FiDance (Shrl T. T. (;r) ~R: (1lI").~, ~'"({f~ Irislmamaeharl): (a) Total notes issued by the Reserve Bank upto iI; 4 ~ I 961 iI; ifiTlf~ m'fif mm February 19, 1965~the date nearest l1;Q;0 10 (24)-~0 III/60 ~ 9lf(;( to February 16, 1965_amounted to I 964 iI; ~m mr ~ ifiTlfm m'fif if, Rs. 2564 crores. m '1ft fWft ~ (;r) 'flIT R Beeovery of Gold in LuckDow (~~~) if;~~l~~ U88. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Will q"( sN lIT{ ~ ~'T ~ ffiif <'mI" the :Minister of FinImce -be pleased to mif;1!~if; mif;~, ~iI; state: fim> Q1IT 'ft Gross. 13>33,58 3,75,03 12,65,23 2,/4,26 Refund. 34,66 50 7,55 1,18 Net. 12,')8,92 3,74,53 12,57,68 2,63,08 8415 Written Answers CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answers 8416- Major IUId Medium IrrIgation Projects (d) if so, the nature tlhereof? r Shri Ramaehanc1ra Ulalm: The Minister of Irrigation and Power %083. ~ Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: (Dr. K. L. Bao): (a) During the first l Shri Kama Chandra MaWek: four years of Third Five Year Plan, Central loan assistance amounting to Will the Minister of Irrigation an4 Rs. 71 lakhs has been granted to Orissa Power be pleased to state: by the Government of India for rural electrification Schemes. (a) the number of major and medium irrigation projects taken up so far in (b) 272 villages (i.e. localities with Orissa during the Third Plan period; a population' of 10,000 and below) were electrified between 1st April,. (b) the amount spent on them; 1961 to 31st December, 1964. (c) No. (b) the irrigation potential created by these projects; and (d) Does not arise. (d) the land actually irrigated dur- ing the same period in Orissa? VilJage Housing Scheme in Orissa 2085 J Shri RaJll;Whandra Ulaka: The Minister of Irrigation and . L Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: POwer (Dr. K. L. Bao): (a) to (d). A statement giving the requisite in- Will the Minister of Works and formation is given in the statement Housing be pleased to state: laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library, see No. LT-41631651. (a) tlhe amount allotted to the Orissa State under the village housing pro- jects scheme during the Third Plan period; and Rural Electrifteation ia Orissa rShri Rama.chandra Ulaka: (b) the amount spent so far during Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: the same period? 10M. J "1 Shri Rama Chandra l Mallick: The Minister of Works and Housing (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) Rs.50 Will the Minister of Irrigation and lakhs. Power be pleased to state: (b) The amount drawn by the State (a) the amount of Central aid so far Government during the first four granted to Orissa for Rural Electri- years of the Plan. (i.e. upto tlhe 31st fication Scheme in the State during March, 1965) is Rs. 16'92 lakhs. the Third Plan period; Grants to Orissa (b) the progress made so far in Orissa in that direction during the 2086. J Shri Ramachandra UIaka~ same period; L Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: (c) whether any special preference Will the Minister of Finance be· has been given to Orissa to popularise pleased to state: use of electricity in agriculture and to subsidise power supply for the pur- (a) whether any lump-sum grant pose during the same period; and has been made to the Orissa Govem- Written A7\BtD11n APRIL B, 1965 Written AftBWeT8 8418 ment for Centrally Sponsored Schemes ~~ ~ ~, during 1964-65; and li);;r.rr it; ft;yit 225 ~~~ 2088. Sbri Bama Chandra MaIUck: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: e1l'~ ~ e1l'to ;no ~ (a) the State which possesses the best health record free from diseases 2087. { '"~~: and inhabitsnts IhaVing good physique '"~fet: on the basis of the latest figures collected by the Central Government; '"~~ : and lfZIT~ a'IT ~lfm- ~ ~ (b) how Orissa stands in this be- '!1T WIT ~il" f.!; : half? The Minister of Health (Dr. Sashila (~) tf'fCl'!f1q- ~r.r;:rr it q (b) if so, the quantum of funds allo- in Library, See No. LT-4164i651. cated for the project for the current Copies of the report are available in year; the Parliament Ubrary. (e) whether Govenment have also been considering to take over some KattampaHi Project .other projects of National importance which may be considered to be rather 2091. 8hri A. K. GopaJan: Will too big for being executed by the the Minister of Irrigation and Power States concerned out of the State-re- be pleased to state: :Sources; and (a) when the work on the Kattam- (d) if so, which other Irrigation palli Project in Kerala began; projects of this nature are proposed to be taken over and whether flood can- (b) whether the work has now ;trol scheme in Assam is one of them? been stopped; The Minister Of PlaJlIlinc (Shri (c) when it will be eompleted; and "II. R. Bbagat): (a) The proposals are (d) tihe reasons for the delay? -under active consideration of the Gov- ernment and the various details are being worked out. The Mblister Of Irrigatioa and Power (Dr. K. L. Rae): (a) Work (b) A token provision of Rs. one on the project was started in 1958. ~rore has been made in the Central fludget. (b) No. (c) and (d). Yes. No decision has (c) The State Government havp. 'yetbeen taken in respect of any speci- yet to finalise the construction sche- 'fic irrigation or flood control schemes. dule. (d) Available funds are being uti- "World Bank TeamoD Coal 'Transport lised more for completion of those projects which are in· an adV'8Dced r8hri 8ubodh 1IaDsda: stage of construction in order tha. :2890. ~ Shrl S. C. Sanaata: benefits from them may start accru- l Shri M. L. Dwtvedi: ing as early as possible. Will the Minister o'f FiDa.nee be pleased to state: MIs. Mcleod " Co. (a) whether the World Bank Team "On coal transport have completed their 2092. ShrImaU BeDg. CllakravarUy: :study; Will the Minister of Finance be 'pleased to state the stage at which (bl' whether they have suggested th ~ appeal of Mcleod & Co: in the :any improved methods; and foreign exchange under-invoicing ca ,e, stands at present? (c) If so, what .are those suggestions! The Minister of Finance (8hrl T. T. The MinIster at Finance (Shri T. T. :IlrishDamaehari): (a) Yes, Sir. Krlshnamachari): The appellants have co mplied with the order under sec- (b) and (c). A summary of the sug- ti,.n 129 of the Customs Act, 1962 re- ill!stions and recommendations, as . gHding deposit of penalty. The ap- given in the report of the team, is peal is now pending for a personal laid' on the Table of the House [Placed hearing. 163 (Ai) LSD-3. Written Answer, APRIL B, 1965 Written AtlBtDers 422 PrIse BoDdII (a) the total area a1!ected by water l~ gging in Orissa during 1964-65; -and 811ri SubhOllh JIaDsc1a: \ Slri Rameshwar TaDtta: (b) the nature and extent of Cen- Sim ODkar Lal aerwa: tral assistance given to that statlt -2093. ~ Sim UUDm Chaud during the same periOd for effective t Kaclaha~: treatment Of water logged areas? LShri Y. D. Singh: '!'he Minillter of irrigation anll Will the Minister of Fbiance be .pleased to state: P"wer (Dr. K. L. Bao): (a) ThE'.re i& OJ l1y temporary waterlogging in cer- (a) whether the first ~eries of the t&in areas dUe' to heavy rains and Five Year Interest Free Prize Bonds, fioods which is USUally relieved by 1965 has matured for refund; clearing the existing drains. The Orissa . Government have reportect (b) if so, when; and that the area so affected during 1964 was 4·28 lakh acres. (c) whether the principal '!Illlount 1hereof will be refunded to the hold- (b) No separate financial assishnce ers and if so, when? is given for treatment of waterlogged areas. However, a loan of Rs. 45:00 'l.'he MlDister of FiDaDce (Shri 'f. 'f. lakhs was sanctioned to the Govern- 1UisImamacbarI): (a) and Cb). The ment of 0ris98 in 1964-65 for Flood Five Year Interest Free Prize Bonds, control and drainage schemes. 1965 matured for repayment cn the tst April, 1965. !p~".m.m:~~ (c) Yes; fram 1st April, 1965 on- wards, as and when claims are pre- 2095. ~ ~ ~: lflIT~ ferred. The Bonds will be received .and payment made at: ~ ~ ~ 'liT ~ 'ti'ffi" fi!; mffi it w1ft;m:it;~m~W~ (i) Offices of the Reserve Bank of India at Bombay (Fort and 'liT ~);;r;rr it mr.iT ~fu ~ ~ ? Byculla), Calcutta, New Delhi, Madras, Bangalore -and ~ Q\" (wro ""'" ~) Nagpur: mffi mm: <\'IT;; it; ~ ~ if",.fl~ (ll) Branches of the State Bank ~ or.rf.t it; f\'lit W ~ it; ~ fiTt of India and its subsidiary banks. conducting Govern- ~ 2,000 ~ ""'" fiI'tiimr m mt!nt treasury workj 'liToqq~r~ 1l((lfri~'1~ 1894 ~ '1f~ffir (iii) Head Post Offices: 'liT m:r 4 it; mft;r mr 'Ii<: fim tp:ff ~ I (iv) Departmental Sub-Post Oft!.- eesj and Computor SuppHed by Ford FouudaUOD (v) Non-banking treasuries and suib-treasuries. 2096. J SIlT! p. Venkatasubbaiah: l. Sim D. c. Sharma: water :LoggInc' In Orissa Will the Minister of PlaDDiDc be %094 J Sllri Dhuleshwar Meena: pleased to state: Shri Ramachandra UIaka: l. (a) Whether it i& a fact i.hat en Will the Minister of irrigation and I.B.M. electronic cO'mputor supplied Power be pleased to state: by the Ford Foundation to speed up 1.p3 Written AtlBWerB CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written A7I81DeT' 8424 the processing and analysis of eco- (c) The situation is reviewed and nomic and statistical data in connec- appropriate tax concessions are given tion with formulation of the J!'ourth whenever considered justified. Five Year Plan is lying idle fOr a long time; und . Gifts of Books frum U.I, ('b) if so, the reasons therefor? !O98. Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: Will The Minister of Planning (Shrl B. the Minister of FinaDce be pleased to B. Bhagat): (a) The LB.M. electronic state: oomputor and ancillary equipnten't gifted by the Ford Foundation for use (a) whether his attention has been by the Plarining Commission, the Pro- drawn to 'B news camment published gramme Evaluation Organisation and in the 'O'pinion' of the 9th March, other agencies were received in con- 1965 of Bombay regarding gifts ot signments between the last week of books from U.K; December, 1964 and the middle of January, 1965. A section of the Unit (b) whether the whole question haa is expected to start functioning with- been reconsidered; and in April, 1965. (c) if so, the decision of Govern- (b) The installation of a Computnr ment in the matter? Unit entails completion of nu-lXIerous The M1nJster of rma- (Sbri '1'. 'J'~ procedural and codal formalities und Krislmamaehari): (a) Yes, Sir. undertaking of dilferent works. Ne- CeS3ary steps were taken well in ad- (b) and (c), Books are free of cus- vance. But tite non-availability of toms duty. But at present, even free. the reqUisite accomrnodati'ln posed- a gifts of books require an import ;tcen- serious problem and slowed down the Ce if the value of 'BUy consi,."IlIIlent prepa'Nltory work. This problem was exceeds Rs. 250. In the case of c0n- resolved sometime back and work signments of books sent recently by on the installation of the Unit is the Women's Council, U.K., where the- making good progress. value exceeded Rs. 250, no lmport licence had been obtained. Tne ques- tion whether the existing import con- trol regulation in respect of gifts of 189'7. 8hri 8tdheshwar P1'IISIUl: Will books needs any modification is under the Minister of FiDaDce be pleased to consideration. lItate: (a) whether the effects on produc- HOIl Bnd price level consequent upon the non-grant of bax-concessions to . 2099. r"" ~ "'" mt : sugar industry in 1962 have been "\..-r1 q'o i!;o 1fI" : studied; !flIT fir.,f ~ ~ iRit q- (b) if so, the outcome thereof; and ~ l!iT F'IT rn fir; : (C) whether Government have given another thought to this question? (1fi')!flIT ~ it ~ l!iT iR~l!iT~ili'tU Relief in Corporate 'faxes ~ ~ fiI'!"!. *'" (~O f 0 '\'1'0 ~Iif) ('Ii) ~t I : "fr, 2100. Shri Ramesbwar Tantia: Will the Minister of Finance be· pleased to ( ~ ) l:lflml' '1fT 'IilT'!C: ~ ~ state: ~;nu~ ~ f.:lI'''1f<'lM'd ~ (a) whether it i. ~ fact that a ~SiT $0 l!!'fo fq;jf, ~ ~~ merce and Industry met the Finance ;;r.r ~ f~ ~nit.,.--mlffi Minister and requested him IJl' some relief in the Corporate Taxes; 2. m $o.no mTo 'l;f~, ~ llfqq, ~ q ~ (b) if so, the main points slre5sed ~~~1f by them; and 3. >.fr lJ;ii 0 ~n:: 0 \lrfcm, firij"tq;;f (c) the action Government lJrV;:l·:se ~ ~ 'l;fN. ~ to lake on their demand? f.l Low and Middle IDC'OIIle Group Houses in Delhi 2101 f Shri Shiv Charan Ma.thar: ( I) fw;fr It, 1964 $ G'Tm' . L Shri P. C. Borooah: ~m '1fT W';ot It ~~ ~ Will the Minister of Worb and 'fiT '!'1'~ I ron HOUsing be pleased to sta~i!: (2) ~ It ~T ~T '!iT (a) whether it is a fact that a sam- lf~ ~,fu;<;ft f~T (b) if so, the findings of th~ said survey and the action proposed to be ~'iP:'lT ~lf ~ ~ "i1R- m- (b) The result of the sc;"\'€y is £os follows: Houses Houses Houses Houses Name of Scheme surveyed wholly partly wh01h' occupied rented let oui by out owners. MidJle inco;u, Group Housing Soheme lIS 43 45 30 Low Income Group Housing Scheme 197 II6 42 39 The survey did not reveal any violation of the rules. Housin~ Scheme in Madra~ Sbri Sriram Dur~a Prasad of Naollr" 2102, Shri Dharmalingam: Will the (" Shri Yashpal Singh: Minister of Works and lIo!lsing be 2103 j Sbri Yudhvir SiJlgh: pleased to state: . I 8hri KaPUr Singh: l Shri Hari Vi9h_u Ram.lll!· (a) whether the vanou.; h'>usinl schemes sponsored by his Ministry have not made any progress in M'.,dras Will the MinIster of Fin~nce b~ pleased to refer to the reply given 1,. State; Unstarred question No. 12 0'1 the 18th: Febrtrary, 1965 regarding the affairs; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and of Shri Sriram Durga rrasDu of )!ag- (c) whether there is any proposal pur and state: 10 take special steps to aec,,!er3t~ the construction of houses U',,1.,r variou~ (a) wh~ther the invesl1gat,un, have- schemes in the State of ~adl'as'! since been completed by Government; and The Minister of Works and HousiJlg (b) if not, when thes" are likely H> (Shri Mehr ChaDd Khanna): (a) ap.d be completed? (b). No. Out of a total allo~atior. of Rs. 6'25 crores for housing- schemes in the Third Plan, the Madra~ State The MiniSter of FiJlance (Shri T. T. have utilised Rs. 3 '37 crOres during Kri9hnamachari): (a) :Not yet. Ell'. the first four years of the Plan (b) Vigorous efforts aI''' b(:il'g r.;fld~· (c) It is being continuously i~'ll to complete the investigation s as e" rly pressed upon the State Government!, as possible, but in view of thei, r'Jm- including the Governmer.t 01 Madras. plica ted nature, it wiil take 9 few that they should provide larger fund, months more. in their Annual Ploans for Reusing Schemes. The matter has also been taken up with the Planning Commis- sion. APRIL 8, 1965 Phizo's proposed visit t08430 China (C. A.) 12.01 hrs. CALLING ATTENTION TO A ~ mmrr ~ ~ ~I'IT ~ MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC ~ fit; CIl!: ~ .m: it ~ 'fIf\iOIr ~ :- IMPORTANCE ~ 0 ~ TO ~ . (i) RI:roim:D PROPOSED VISI:T OF Pimo '>.it fqj;;rr '1ft ;ft;r TO CHINA ~ 1fOOit;~<:l"lT~q,: -lib•. Speaker: Now, we shall take- "1m'!' ~ '1ft lIfifillo1fT I .. lip the 'calling attention notice. Shri lIukam Chand Kachhavaiya. The Minister of Extemal Affairs (Shri Swarau SiDgh): The report In (~) : the Indian Press is based on a news ~ ~, ~Wof~ 800 item from the London correspondent of the "Dawn" of Karachi. 111: ~ SITof 'r'J ~ f ~1Il~: W Shri P. C. Borooah (Sibsagar): "To ~ ~ ~ Although Mr, Phizo has changed his ~ wit rott~~ ~ Indian nationality and embraced British nationality, he has been des- ~ I f~ '1ft ~~f>P: ~ ~fif; cribed as the President of the Naga fir.rr..;:{'IiT ~ ron ~, (Interruptions). National Council in statements of the W ~ rott if; ~ 'liT iIn:~~ underground Nagas. (Interruptions). '3OAT ~ ~ I (Interruptions). ~ ~'fi1 ~~~, ~~:'IlI'Tit~~~ ~ l\'m ~ ~ f.f'm: ~ ~ mWfflT~? 'IlI'T ~. ~ Shri Raghunath Sin&h: This is practically a speech. Phizo's APRIL 8, 1965 proposed visit to 1438 Chi714 (c. A.) Shri P. C. Borooah: He is directing intending to change the policy or these activities from a country like whether it is still depending on the U.K. which is the leader of the com- peaceful negotiations of the peace monwealth of Nations. May I know mission? whether mere change of nationality prevents our Government from taking any action against his nefarious acti- Mr. Speaker: Has he followed it? vities? Sbri Swaran SlIIgh: 1 may be per_ ~~: ~~ mitted to say that we have no inten- ·~~I~~~~~~ tion to change the policy which, for- tunately. has received the support of ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f.I; mm ... the Members of Parliament of both '!it I the Houses who visited those place. and made their reports. Shri P. C. Borooab: Yes, I have finished. eft If!! ",",Ii : (~ih:) : ~ Shri Swaran Singh: In the state- ft!m it 11;'fi ~ ~lf.1fiIRr f.I;m I!IT, ment that I made, I have said that f,;mit ~ ~ ~ 'fiT ~ f.I;m I!IT he has not been receiving any encouragement from the U.K. Gov- f.I; m it ~ 'I> m-Rufll' 'I> ma fOT1'{ fGlrr fiMft it -months. {{f ~ it ~ mm nc ift ~ f.I; m T\111T ~ iffi 'I> m-fiflrtvT i!; l!Ifu;m: Shri Swaran Singh: The hon. Mem- ber said he was directing the activi- if.T '1fT 1fA ~ ~ ~ '1fT ~ mit ties from London. Our information 'I> ~ irr Shrimati Savitri Nigam (Banda): In view of the fact that our hopes of success in our negotiations with the eft f~ : ~ ~, ~ Naga rebels have been dependent on If!! the efforts of the peace mission, in ~ t: I it 1IWI' ~~q it ~ ~ ~ I this new situation when Mr. Phizo it ~ m ~ ifF" Ifili .~ ~ ~ has declared openly that he is indulg- ~ I qGflrulWfm~t I ~~qtq' ing in anti-national activities, I want to know whether Government i.. ;ft';f it ~ '!it .,. ~~ I 8439 Suspemion of CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) ~1fli -f.ruflf if; iiTIf~on: ~ ~ ~ Shrl Khadllkar (Khed): May I ask one question? Will it be proper to if; ~ ~<;; ~ 'Ii'i.~ ~ m'f1T rn use that expression? ~ mr ~n. t:t'tiCIT '!it o~it ~ wmr ~ ~ ~ I it ~ ;;rr;;;rr ~ R' ~ ""' f'i" ;r;~ ~: (~) ro m Shrl Swaran Singh: It is wrong ~.v:it~~\1'~ for him .to use such adjectives with regard to this policy and I take strong ~R' ~ ~ it~ ~, '>fr;nT, ft:!1!it, objection for using such expression. ~Cfiffl'~'fiT"f~rn ~ ~ ~ Mr. Speaker: I agree. 'liT ifiTmr ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "'1 mq I writ I : "fiT "fl'f I 'Itt "."! ~·li: it crT ~ ~_~ W ~ ~ : WR: at ql'f wiif, ~ ;;ft ~ wif I it at ;;romr ¥ ~ ~ ;fo;;mit I ;;r ~ ~ : "fiT "fl'f ;ffl;;mit I lZ.IS hrs. ~~~:~'f~'!1\';mrr SUSPENSION OF MEMBER (Shri Madbu Limaye) ~ <'I'm ....r f.ro '!>'@ ~ mr ~ 'fur mr 'ii1it~. ~ 'l'!i:~'ffl'f'!it;mr Shri Raghunath Singh (Varanasi) : e:m: ~ ~ ~ ~ The word 'napumsak' should be 'fliT ;orr ;;mIT ? ;mr expunged. vm~~ I Suspension of APRIL 8, 1965 Member lIlT 'U~;r.;r: (~): ~b Shri Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- '" (lq" .. m'i "'"if 'fi~ ~ w,,, : drapara): You were pleased to 1l ;To ;;rm ~ 'Ith: "lfif 1l '4T ;To tTlIT 'ff 1 observe that you had issued several ~ 'R m'i ~ or ....lfJll 1 irtt ~ warnings to the hon. Member. Since· ~~~~~~hft~foro; he did not listen to you and obstruct- ed the proceedings of the House, you 1l 41'1141"''11 'fimT ~ 1 1l ~ asked him to leave the House and he ~ itir & ~ 'fimT ~ f;;r~ ~ obeyed your orders and has gone out. I do not think further action on this ~ ~ ~ ~ Several Hon. Members: No, no . .n (·,q""w,,,: ~ it foro; Shri H. N. Mukerjee (Calcutta Cen- mtf$.rm~.r ~~~ 1 tra!) : I would like to submit that it '!Of ~ ~ f~ ~ 'Ith: or ~ ~ when you took the decision in regard t'lth:or~ 1 ~itm-r~t to Shri Madhu Limaye, none of us here had the slightest inclination to ~ '!Of ~ -(~~~) 'lilT m'i "I'Im object because it would not have been :t.·· ... proper to do it, but what I discovered to my consternation was that the '"~ (~) :~m~ Minister of Parliamentary Affairs who does not come to the assistance ~« of the Chair ...... m'i '" (,qll4w," : wr.rr '4T '1W Shri Ranga (Chittoor): Nor the 11l~~~~~f.!;irtt Leader of the House. ifiif( ~ ~ ~ g"ff ~ m .f~ ~ ~ 1 ~ Shri H. N. Mukerjee: ... at a time foro; it lfPff m: .1f\' it ri;;ft ;f'\<;f.r ~ ~ ohm 'liT when it should be dOne, comes up at a time when no help is necessary ~ 1fr ~ ~ t. ~ ~ wr.rr and quite gratuitously makes a SUg- ·'4T~~t 1 it~'fi"{'1'T~ gestion about another hon. Member who perhaps ill-advisedly had made ~f.!;~~~m'1W~::;ftf.!; ~ certain observations. You took that {t4T'IiT~~~1 step after your patience had been tried for a very long time. You have ~~ :~;;fi,~ said yourself that it has been con- tinuing from day to day and you have ~iIIT~~~~~ I~q'fi taken that step. We naturally bowed _ ~ ~ 'R ~ [Shri H. N. Mukerjee.l punishment against that other mem- been experiencing it and finding my- ber, which was a great deal more self in a very difficult position. I have serious than the punishment which been warning those members-one of you in your wisdom had already them was Shri Madhu Limaye--not to- 'll€ted out to Shri Madhu Limaye was do it. At least there are occasions an act which has no relation to the when some interruptions can be- facts of the situation. made and I always aIlow that. Maybe I am charged that I am not exercis- Mr. Speaker: He has referred to ing that patience that ought to be the Parliamentary Affairs Minister done. But I have given them every making a motion about another mem- facility for discussion and every ber. What does he mean? opportunity for expression. Where- Shri H. N. Mukerjee: That was ever I find that there is a legitimate occasion, I give that opportunity. about Shri Ki.hen Pattnayak. Rather-thOugh it may be disparag~ Sml Sareudranath Dwlvedy: He is ing to myseIf-I have been accused mistaken. The motion made by the openly that I have been too soft, too Minister of Parliamentary Affairs was gentle, too weak in not taking any about the same member. action and therefore much of the time of the House is wasted in that res- Shri H. N. Mukerjee: My submis- pect. Don't the leaders of the opposi- sion in that case is, when yoU have tiOn realise how much time is wasted taken that step against the member every day in that respect? As res- and askeC. him to withdraw and that ponsible leaders of opposition groups,. member nas withdrawing, there was they must realise it. no reason at all for him to be given Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: No- another p Inishment. A person can- body has questioned what you have· not be giv ~n two punishments for the done. same offe'lce. Either the Speaker Mr. Speaker: Again it is not being calls upon a member to withdraw or there is a motion requiring that some appreciated that when I told him to member be suspended from the ser- go out, then also he made certain remarks that were objectionabl~ vice of the House for a certain period of time. In this case when you have Therefore, I appealed to the House at given the punishment it is wrong for that moment thai demeanollJ:' of his. (InteTTuptionS). It is another the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs question. You do not hear, but I hear to come forward proposing a second everything that is uttered. That is punishment. the difficulty. When he was going Mr. Speaker: I must submit to han: out, he uttered certain words that leaders of the opposition here whe- were disparaging to the whole House ther they do not realise that this is and to all the members. That is why happening every day and the House the suggestion came and the question· is held to ransom for some time each is before me now. day. It is the occurrence not on one ~ film;( ~ : ~ ~, day alone. I have been warning for f;mfim''Ift~~it;'I'il<:Uf the last few days that it is accumu- lating and the total effect on me lift mr fulfit 'Iii" i'\1r fiI;lrr 'flIT t ;m would be very bad. I have been ask- fim' ~ .. ~ fu.i ~ 1!:'f ~ ing those one or two han. members tfr to avoid it. But they have been mrnT, ¢1!:'f ...". mtfi ~ ~ ~ mit taking the pitch to a certain point- m ~ i!Wf; WIim: ~ ~ ~ ~, 99 per cent-and then when they ~ mtfi ~ '1ft ~ '!iiW '1ft mtfi ~ found that cent per cent was just coming, they would sit down. I have '1ft ...... CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Member ~ ~N ~: ;r@';r@' Parliamentary Affairs. Now, if you are gOing to place it before the House, I will have to submit to you, as my .nflnA~: ~~ hon. friend here has already said, 'I1flT~ I ~~~'lftmq;ftcr<:'l'i~ that one punishment is enough for the' ~ 00 ;;mit ~ I same Member and to add to it another punishment may not appear to be reasonable. Just at present, after the .n~:~~~ well merited admonition that you have administered today, I think we .n fi.fi'.l1'lf ~ : flnf.T ffi'if ought to be content with the action «r.ff 'lit ~ liNT 'lit ~ 'lit ;;it that you have taken. ~~~~~;;it~fu;ti I will tell you why. You named 'R: ~ ~ ~ ;;rf;f 'lit ;;rri\ Shrl Ranga: Sir, I thought you Shr! Ranga: Very wel! deserved. would be good enough not to pro- ceed with that suggestion made by Shrl La! Bahadnr Shastrl: I wholly' my hon. friend, the Minister for resent it and strongly repudiate it. Suspension of APRIL 8, 1965 Member Shri Ranga: The records will show. WH~ I ~f.rH~T~~ f.f;m "fT : Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri: am . here in the House whenever it is ,essential. I am always present espe- "W~~;ftfa~"""'~ l:11!~ ·dally at this time when han. Mem- ~~~ ~ I" ~~ bers create a special situation. And, ~ .,f course, I have met the Leaders of iii the Opposition and I have requested them that we should try to have some Shri Raghunath Singh: What was kind of a decorum. Though it was an his gesture when he was going out- informal talk and discussion I felt side? He has called the whole House that it would have some effect. We impotent including yourself. 'are entirely-{)f course, on behalf of 'the Government, I need not say that- behind you and you have our fullest support. In regard to this particular day, to this situation, I think what 'the han. Minister for Parliamentary Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Nupumsak Affairs has proposed is perfectly cor- means "importent" which is not rect and it should be placed before unparliamentary . ,the House (InteT7'l/.ptions). Mr. Speaker: have not taken objection to that. Again and again I am being reminded of that. I am only taking objection to his beha- 1ISIU{~ it~t;~'Ift ~ 'f'lT viour when he was directed to go .~~ ~ I 'q1'q' ~ ;(o ~ I out. Now the only question before me is ... lIir 'q1'q' ~ ~ flf; it ~ """ (~); itu~~ m:t The question is: I have tried to make it clear that his behaviour, after he had been ''That Shri Madhu Limaye, a directed to go out, was very objec- 'Member of this House and named tiunable. Then he uttered c('rtain by the ~p~ak~r. be sus?ended words and that is more actionable from the service of the House fO'!' than what he had done earlier a fortnight." (Interr'Uption) . The Lok Sabha divided: ~lf'\li: m11l~1~~~;if Shri S. S. More (Poona): Sir, I have f.f;m, \;.f 'lit it it WIT I it iil'ffi'fiiff wrongly voted for Noes. ~ .~ flf; ~ 'flIT ~T l;;r) Mr. Speaker: That will be record- 11l'i1{ ~~'f.t ~~ ~it it 'Wf.\' ~;if ~ ed. SU8~nsion of CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Member DtvisioD NO.9] .' [12.41 hrs; AYES .-4.cbal Singh, Shri Kbadiltar, Sbri Patel, Shri Man Sinh P . Akkamma Devi, Shrimati Khan. Dr. P.N. Patel, Sbri RajeshwlU Alva, Shri Joachim Khan. Sbri Osmaa Ali PaUl. 8hri S.B. il'1)11'. ShriPrank Khan. 8hri Shahnawal! Po_it, Sbri B.C. Bajaj, Sbri Kamalnayan lCb ...... 8bri Mohr Chand P ....hhi Roman. 8bri C.R. Balmiki, Shri Khuma, 8bri P.IC. PiUa~ Sbri Nataraj. Barbtalti, Shrimati Reoub Kmdar La!. 8bri Prabhabr, 8hri Naval Barman, Shri P.C. ICototi. Sbri Liladbar Rash .....th Sm.b, Shri B"appa. 8bri Kripa Shankat. Sbri Raj &badur, Shri Bas.a~ 8hri lCrishna. Sbri M.R. Raja, Sbri c.R. Bhagat, Sbri B.R. Kri.blIamachari. 8bri T.T. Rajdeo Sm.b, 8hri Bhagvati. Smi lCuzeeI. 8bri B.N. Raj ... Dr. D.S. Bhah Darshan. 8hri Lalmn Chaudhry, 8bri Rom. Sbri T. Bhanacharyya. Shri C.K. Labbmibntbamma, Sbri ....ti Ram 8uhhag SUtBh. Dr. Bisl, Shri J.B.S. Lalit Sen. Shri Ilam Swarup. Shri Borooah, Shri P.C. La.m, 8bri N.R. Ramdhani D ... Sbri Bra;:shwar Pruad,. Shrj LoDibr. Sbri RaDc. 8bri Brij Bali Lal. 8bri Mahad.. a Praad. Dr. Rao,Dr. K.L 1Jrij Raj Singh. Shri Majjtb\a. 8bri Rao~ Shri Krisheamoottby ChaDda, Shtimati IyotS'J18 Malaichoml. Sbri Roo. Sbri Rajagapal. Chaackobhan SiDgI"., Sbri M.la~ya. Shri K.O. !lao. Sbri ThirumaIa Chaturoedi. Siui S.N. MalhOlrll, 8bri Indet J. Rattan La!; Sbri C..haui:lhry, Sbri Chandramani'Lal _II, Sbri U.S. Ray. SbrimaU _uta Cbaudbwi. Sbri D.S. M ...... Sbri Reddy. Sbrimati Yaohoda Chaudburi. Sbrimati Kmnala Maadol, Dr. P. R07.8briB_ . Chaudhuri. Sbri Sachindra Maadal. Shri YamUDI: Prasad Saba, Dr. S.]I';. Cbavan. Shri n.R. Maniyo....-. 8hri Sohu. Sbri_..... Chavda, Sbrimati Joraben Mantri, Sbri D.D. Saipl, Sbri A.S. Chuni Lal. Sbri _yo Dm. 8bri Samonta. Sbri S.C. D.I~t Sin8b, Shri M.hrotra. 8bri IIrII Bihari S...... 8bri A. T. Du, Shri B. K. _.8briJ.R. Satyabbama Deyi. Shrimati nu, Shri'N.T. MeMa, Shri Jub_t SciDdia. Sbri:Dati Vija,.. Raie Dnhtnvtb, Dr. P.~. Meoai. Sbri C... ..-J Datt S.... 8hri P.G. Digtir, Sbri Mino. 8bri B..... Ali Shah. Sbri Manabendr. S __ Devi,Shrlmati Di_h SiDgb,. Shri .. Mi3bra~ Shri Bibhuti Dubey, Sbri R.G. Mi.hra. 8hri M.P. Slwn Natb, Sbri Dw1'9cdi. Sbri M. L. Misra. Shri Shyam Dhar Sharma. Sbri D.C. Eriflll, Sbri D. Mobsin. Sbri Shubi, Sbri La! Babadue Gajraj SiDsh 1\ao. ShT 1 Monru, Shri Shootri, Shri Ramanaad Ganapm Ram, Shri Mukerjee. Sbrimati Sharda Sbco NaraiD, Sbri Gub •• Sbri A.C. Mus.fir, Shri G. S. Siddanaoiappa. Sbri GuP~. 8hri Shi" Charaa Muthiab. Sbri Siddhanti.Sbri ragde. Sinalo 8arnni. Shri AntAr Noll<. Sbri D.r· Siddioh. Sbri Hecla, Shri . Nanda, 8bri Sidheshwar Pr'3.d~ Shri Hem Raj, Shri Nub>. Sbri P.S. Sin8b. Shri D.N. Himatfingb, ,Sbri Nayu. Shri Mohan Singh. Shri K.K. lqb.~ Sin&b, Shri No.... Dr. 8uah1\a Siaha, Shrirnati Ratndulari Jadba", Sbri M.L. Neumony. Shri Sinha. Shri Satya Nua,.•• JamO. Sbri S.G. Nlgom. Shrimati S.ritri Sinbaaan Singh. Sbd J OJ";. ShriA.C. Niranjan Lal, Sbri Sonavane. Shri J101ishi, Shri J.P. Oza, Sbri Subbataman. Sbri Kabir. Shri HUmaY'llD Pandt:, Shri K.N. Somal Pnaad. Shri KI;toltar, Shri Pandey. Shri R.S. Swaren Singh. Shri Kamble. Sh'ri Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath Thengondu, Shri 'Kanriamwaf, Sbrimati T.i Pandit. Shrimad Vi;.,. 'Labhmi Thewt, Shri V.V. Komi Smpii. 8bri 'anna Lal. Shri Tiwary. Shrl K.N. KtistUfJg, 8hri Risbanr Pa~hat. Shri 1"i.wary. Shri R.S. 163 (Al)LSD-4. 'Phizo's APRn. 8, 1965 PTllpOsed wit to China 8454 (c. A.) Tyqi, Shri Varma, Shri Raoinclra Vy ••, Shri Radhelai Upadbyaya, Shri Skin Dutt Veerabaaappa, Shrl Wadiwa. Shri Val.. , Shri Verma, Shri Bal80l'ind Wasnik, Shri Balkrishna· Varmll, Shri M.L. Vidyalankar, Shri A.N. Yadav. Shri Ram Hark~ NOES Alvares. 8hri Gokaran Prasad. Shri Raghavan. Shri A.V. Ramcshwuanand, Shri Bade, Shri Gulshan, Shri Bagri, Shri Kachhavaiya. 8hri Hukam Chand Bango, Shri Banerjee, Shri S.M. Killar, Shri Gauri Shonkar Reddy. ShTi Narasimlla. B.",., Shri Hem Kamath. 8hri Han Vishnu Sezhiyan. Shri Basant Kunwari. Shrimati Kar. 8hri Prabhat Singh, Shri A.P. Berwa, Shri Onkar Lal Krishnapal Singh, Shri Singh.. Shri Y.D. Bhattacharya" Shri Dincll Manoharan. Shri Singha, Sbri Y.N. Bhoel, Shri P.H. Misra, Dr. U. Solanki, Shri Bu.. Singh, Shri More, Shri S.S. Swamy. Shri Sivamurthi Chakravartty. Shrimati Renu Mukerjec. Sbri H.N. Vimla Devi, Shrimati Chaudhuri. Shri Tridib Kumar Murmu, Shri Sum Vishram Prasad, Shri Da;i, Shri Nair, Shri Vuudevan Warior. Shri Dhaon. Shri Pattnayak, Sbri Kilhen Yainik. Shri wivedy. Shr i Surendranath ponekkatt, Shri Mr. Speaker: The result of the Phizo, who is a Britbh citizen, for division is:- guidance. In that case, may I know Ayes 183; Noes 44. what steps Government have taken to disrupt the contact of the Naga The motion was adopted. hostiles with Mr. PhizQ aDd stop it altogether? ~ ~ ~ WI'IT finr-f : mU Shri Swaran Singh: W c ar~ not ifiT ~ i'i'(~ 'AT ~lT doing anything in that con\(>xt. If they are in touch with hirr.. or writing ~ ~ : ire I:t'fi ~ '!'f ;;ftf;ro;' to him, Or doing som2thing of th::>t ~~~ nature, I do not know how we could prevent that. But we are anxious !If6Im ~ : ~ th-at these peace talks s;lould not he delayed. We are doing everything Order, order. I am not allowing possible to see that the peace talks him. conclude soon. Shri Bagri left the H DUse at this Shrimati Renuka Barkataki (Bar. stage. peta) : In view of the fact that though he is a British national, Phizo still cloaims to be the leader of the 12.43 hrs. Nagaland Independence Movement and in view of the Iact that the hos- CALLING ATTENION TO MATTER tile Nagas and their so-called Gov- OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ernment still draw theh' inspiration -contd. from Phizo, and are under his influ- ence, does the Government propose REPORTED PROPOSED VISIT OF PHIzo TO CHINA-contd. to instruct our delegation at the peace talks to raise the question of Shri Hem Barna (Gauhati): The this declaration of Mr. Phizo with the progress of the Naga Peace talks has, leaders of the Naga hostiles anef insist been very slow and sluggish and an that the Naga ~ hostiles should unequi- 'imJlression has gained that it has vocally dissociate themselves from become slow and sluggish because the Phizo's plan to seek Chinese assist- Naga hostiles are contracting Mr. ance, or face the consequences that "The name of one Member could not be recorded under "Ayes". 8455 . Papers lAid CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA)Re. Selection of 8456 Sped:en will follow frOm their implicit confes- [Placed in Library, see No. sion of collusion with China, which is LT-4165165]. an enemy nation? (2) A copy each of the following Shri Swann Singh: In the first Notifications under section place, none of the leaiiers Of the Naga 296 of the Income-tax Ad, hostiles who are carrying on these 1963: talks has ever suggested that they (i) S.O. 1002 dated the 29th want to seek any Chinese help. It is March, 1965, containing not for us to suggest that they should OorriJgenda to Notification do this or do that. We are interested No. S.O. 2567 dated the 26th. in finding Q satisfac!ory solution so .July, 1964. that the misgivings that the Nagas have been feeling and having all this (ii) S.O. 1003 dated the 29th time may disappear from that sec- March 1965, containing tion of the Naga people. Corrigenda to }\:otification No. S.O. 591 dated the 15th February, 1965. [Placed in Library, see No. LT- 12'« hrs. 4157165]. PAPERS LAID ON TIlE TABLE 12.45 hI'S. ANNUAL REPORT OF INDfAN CENTRAL SUGARCANE COMMITTEE CO~ITTEE ON ABSENCE OF MEMBERS The Deputy Minister in the Minis- try of FOod and Agricl!lture (Shri TwELFTH REPORT D. R. Chavan): Sir, I beg to lay Shri Khadilkar (Khed): Sir, 1 beg on the Table a copy of Annual Report to present the Twelfth Report of the of the Indian Central Sugal"cane Com- Committee On AbsenCe of Members mittee for the year 1963-64. [Placed in from the Sittings of the House. Library, see No. LT-4155i65]. NOTIFICATIONS UNDER SEA CUSTOMS ACT AND SALT ACT 12.45-1/2 hrs. The Deputy Minister in the MiDis- ESTIMATES COMMITTEE tn of FInaDce (Slui Ramesb.war saha): I beg to lay on the Thble:- SIXTY-SEVENTH REPoRT (1) a cOpy each of the following Shri A. C. Gulla (Barasat): Sir, I Notifications under section beg to present the Sixty-seventh 159 of the Customs Act, 1962 Report of the Estimates Committee on and section 38 of the Central the Ministry of Transport-Calcutta Excises and Salt Act, 1944, and Haldia Ports. making certain further amendments to the Customs and Central ];;xClSe Duties 12.46 brs. Export DTawback (General Rules, 1960:- RE: SELECTION OF SPEAKER (i) GSR 437 dated the 20th March, 1965. -it~ ful (~) : ~ it ~ 1:% 'I<{ lIlT I ~it~ (iil GSR 438 dated the 20th n;.r March, 1965. 'Sl1fT "f"f ~ ~ f.l; 1:% ~ it J;f1lfR 8457 Re: Selection APRIL 8, 1965 of Speakers [!5(T f~ m~] ~~ t~flR;;r~itfim 'R mtrcrefnn iIiT~~t I .w. ftI1f ~ : ~ ~it·1ft i\li ~ ~ if!{{ '(Of ~ ~ ~ ~ C!{ ~ 'I>'t~. ~~'~I~~'IIT ~ if·;f~"'" ~ ~~ ~ 'It'f ~. Shri Sv.reDdraDath Dwtred7 (K~nd. Mr~' Speaker: That is the difftcullT. rapara): lit is really lIIIlIlinst the Sometimes there ere two or three tyranny of the Congress whip. Ministers also who have to intervene; Congress Members do aul!er. Shrimati Yashoda BeIldy lKurnool): therefore, thingS that they have Although catching your eye is a good But these notice at this moment method and most probably the best brought to my discUSSed in the method, sometimes you ere not there ought to have been That would have been and the Deputy-Speaker is also not party itself. much better. there Bnd some member on the Panel of Chairmen is there. Then, the The Directions by the Speaker are difficulty of discretion arises. But, as very clear jOn lthis point aDd Sbri far as our party is concerned, I feel Sinhasan Singh haa probably read that there is some meaning in the No. U5A. Has he read it? . party whip giving a list because it DirectiOn It is very clear. does happen that we have more people can be accommodated. But than SIIri Sinhaaan SiIII'h: Rule 350. there is one thing that I would like it happens to submit. Sometimes, Mr. Speaker: I am ialking of the Member, fortunately or that one Direction. I will read it out and :l:t to sPeak on more unfortunately, tries would be very clear. I v.'iU try to Demands for Grants than one of the act upon that to the best of my sbi- has spoken once, and just becaUSe he lity and would also request the the Chair should just for that m'Btter, Deputy-Speaker as well as the mem- Member. That is the not disallow the bers on the Panel of Chairmen that that I appeal to you. Our only thing they should also follow that. It rie;ht in giVing party is being quite reads:- a list and, of course, ultimately the discretion lies with the Chair and we "Anyone of the following three have always been satisfied with you. methods may be adopted by mem· desire to notify the Mr. Speaftr: I really have all the bers who intention to tske sympathy with hon. Members. I agree SpeQker of their or discusskm.:-". that on very many occasions time is part in a debate not equitably distributed among Mem. The first is:- bers and some Members are left ,"ut. I do realise that. "The names of members who Sbri IDder 1. Malhotra: Specially wish to participate in a particular Congress Members. debate or discussion may be sup- plied to the Speaker by the par- Mr. Speaker: Congress Members liamentary Parties or groups." 'Bre left out. That is right. I agree there also. But, because they are in The second is:- numbers, they haVe to such large "A member who prefers to sacrifice also. write direct to the Speaker may SIni. Karl Vishnu Kamath (Hoshan- do SO without having to go through gabad); It is their fault, Sir, that the machinery of parliamentary they are so m'Bny. party 01. group." Mr. Speaker: They do feel that Directly elso he can write to me. The they constitute about 75 per cent of third is:- they get only 50 the strength .and yet "A member who may not like of the time if the time taken per cent to give his name to the Speaker is taken out. by Ministers through his party or to write Shri Raghunath SiDch: That is our direct to the Speaker"- . main difficulty. We get only 50 per he may not like to do either of these cent of the time. Be: Selection CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) D. G.-Min. of 1464 of Speaker. 1. & B. things, then too- Mr. Speaker: I find, most '14embers go away; they do not care to listen "but wishes to adopt the well.. to the reply even. There are some "known parli'lllnentary practice of who have taken care to write to me catching the Speaker's eye may they cannot be present that they in his seat whenever ,he when stand not be present; but, there are part in a debate. would wishes to take finish their speeches Unless"- - others who Just and go away. That happens on both this is forgotten and we are not sides. -acting. upon it perhaps; Shri Sinha- 13 hrs. All Singh too would be satisfied with it- Dr. ltanen.Sen (Calcutta East): Sometimes, the Ministers also are "Unless a member rises in his absent when the speeches go on here. seat and catches the Speaker's eye, he shall not be called upon Mr. Speaker: In such cases, my by the Speaker to speak, irres- attention is drawn at once to it, and I pective of whether he has sent his always -ask the Ministers to remain name through his party or group present. or written direct to the Speaker." The over-riding factor would the eye of So, we will try to follow it. EVery- ulways remain catching one, who has to speak, whether his the Speaker. name is contained in the list or not, Shri Kari Visbnu Kamath: May be will have to stand. the ear also. Shri Bari Visbnu Kamaih: Cne Barvani (Bisauli): more method may be permitted. If Shri ADsar cases where the he cannot catch your eye, he may There ibave ibeen have been taken catch WOUr ear. names of Memibers by the Chair, Qlld they have not been they come Mr. Speaker: So far as the Oppo- Present here, but when been allowed to sition groups are concerned, there is back they have there was no question of no difficulty at all becaUSe the time speak; and the eye of the Speaker also is divided und apportioned to them. catching Allotment of time is made to them, in their case. they choose their OWn speakers and send in only that name. Therefore, Mr. Speaker: That might have hail- lIere there is no difficulty at aU. pened, but 1 have said that we shall try to follow this. Shri Sham Lal Sarat (Jammu and Kashmir): But they also leave the House ... Mr. Speaker: That is right. It is 13.01 hrs. correct that as soon as a Member DEMANDS FOR G~OfItd. completes his speech, he just loes and does away. He is not concerned AND BROAD- in listening to the MINISTRY OF lNFolUllIATlON not feel interested cASTING-COntd. reply at all. That is not fair. A after he has Member should be here Mr. Speaker: Now, we shall take made his speech. up further discussion and voting on the Demands for Grants relating to Dwtved;r: We ShrlSureruJraDath the Ministry of Information and We always there for the reply. D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B. [Mr. Speaker] Now, I would say a word about the Broadcasting. Shri Hem Barua might staff artistes. As Shrimati Indira. resume his speech now. He hfid Gandhi would agree, the staff artistes· already taken 10 minutes yesterday. are the backbone of the All India Radio, but for their contributions, thE' Shri SurendraDath Owivedy (Kenu- Ail India Radio cannot function even .tapara): Yesterday, he came to the for a day. But what is the treatment . rescue of the House. meted out ·by our Government to the staff artistes of the All India Radio? Shri Bari Vishnu Kamath (Hoshan- The staff artistes are treated almost gabad) : 'l'h~ House would Ira"oe been like pariahs without any security of adjourned i! he had not spoken yes- service or anythi.ng of th·at sort. I do terday. not understand why Government can- not absorb the staff artistes into the Shri Hem Barna (Gauhati): I volun- permanent cadres of service? Can teered to speak. you tell me of any democracy in. which its citizens are treated as our Shri WariOr (Trichur): I have to Government are treating the staff make one request to you. Yesterday, artistes today? No country has ever we were not able to move cut our done such a thing, and I would say motions. I hope you may kindly be that this is a ;fraud on human con- pleased to allow Us to move those cut science. I hope and trust that motions now. Shrimati Indiil"a Gandhi who has- imbibed and inherited so many ster- Mr. Speaker: The !hon. Member may ling qualities of her father will do kindly send me the chit indicating the everything possible in her power to numbers of those cut motions. and I reverse this sorry scheme of things shall treat them as moved. entirely. Shri Hem Barna: Yesterday, I said that I did not want the All India Radio to be a glorified institution of insipid Government have appointed the programmes, for no other medium Ashok Chanda Commi.ttee on broad- reaches the people as it does. I wanted casting. But I would say that this is the All India Radio to be a living insti- not enough. They should appoint it tution, not a moribund one, One capable commissiOn of inquiry, just as they of stimulating the creative impulses of appointed one for the press, and OUr people into significant responses. another for the films some years back, But has it been able to do so? It has to enquire into the working of the All not been able to do so. And why? It India Radio, not to witch-hunt but to is becaUSe the All India Radio is a suggest measures towards the improve_ mouthpiece of the Government wedded ment of its workiong. I am quite con- to the stereotyped principles of mana- vinced in my mind that if the AU gement and control, and because it is India Radio is converted into a corpo- bureaucracy-oriented and not mass- ration or it is converted into an oriented. I would say that there should institution like the BBC wi,th a similar be a greater variety of programmes measure of initiative and indepen- or there should be more of regional dence, much of the bureaucratic . programmes, because our country is malady which plagues the All India vast. But is that possible unless a Radio today will go. May I point out certain measure of independence and that year in and year out this sugges- initiative ioS given to the directors of tioon to convert AIR into a corporation .. the regional stations, which the All has been made on the floor of this' India Radio is not giving at present? House, and year in and year out OUT' It would not .be possible without that Government have brushed this (IUAeII- measure of initiati.ve and independence tion without any plausible argumeDt given to the station directors of the whatsoever to 'buttress their rejection ~gional st;ltions. of the suggestion? . D.G~Min. 9fAITRA 18, 188'1 (SAKA) of T. & B. Shri Khadllkar (Khed): For good one news agency. All I feel that the reasons. UN! is coming up, I would request the hon. Minister to see that more Shri Rem. Baraa: What are the good facilities and more flnancial assistance reasons? are offered to this organisation or at least as much as is offered to other :Shri Kbadjlkpr: I shall tell my hon. news agencies in this country for' friend later 011. India is a vast country and the d~mand for news is growing every day. Shri Rem. Baraa: The only reason is this, and I can tell this to my hon. friend just now. This deepens the suspicion in me, that Government do Comi;ng to the press, I would say not want to convert AIR into a cor- that when our Five Year Plans poration, because Government do not embrace everything under the sun want to lose their control over AIR. from steel to child-birth, unfortunately That is the only reason and there can enough, the Indian press has the be no other reason. When they say unique distinction of not finding a that if it -becomes a corporation, place in any of the country's Five Parliament will lose its control over Year Plans. Whenever there is i,t, it is not so, because we have so foreign exchange difficulty, it is the many other corporations about which Indian press that is singled out to questions are raised: on the floor of bear most of the brunt. And what is this House and Government answer happening as a result of it? I would those qUE!$tions. Therefore, that argu_ tell you that quite a few of our news- ment does not hold good. papers are today facing the imminent threat of closure, and that too at this Dr. Banen Sen (Calcutta East): It critical juncture of our d~ocracy, is a Government monopoly altogether. and critical juncture of our develop- Shri Rem. Baraa: It is a Govern- ment. Why is that so, and why has it ment monopoly. That is what I have been so? The question can -be asked said. It js the mouthpiece of Govern- pertinently like this. It is because ment, wedded to the stereotyped prin- the restrictions that our Government ciples of Government control and imposed on newsprint import in July, management. I have already said that. 1962 still continue and they are having a crippling effect on the industry as Sir, I came from a border area. a whole. Our democracy is develop- But what do I find about the achieve- ing, and because of the Chinese ments of the Ministry, so far as aggression. and because of the vast broadcasting is concerned, in the constructi.on plans and works under- border areas? I would suggest that taken in this country, our people are transmissions in the border areas hungering more and mor~"10r news. should be strengthened forthwith in At a time like this when our people order to counteract the mischief of the are hungering for more and more Chinese; the Chinese in the border of news, because of these exigencies, areas are regularly beaming their because of literacy spreading all over broadcasts and by repetition, I am the country and because of education afraid, these broadcasts might have spreading all over the country, we an impact on the mind of the people. find that the size of the newspaper is This mischief has to be rooted out, forced to be maintained at the level and, therefore, I would urge that of 1957, because of the Government Government should strengtIlen the pOliocy of restrictions imposed on news- tr~:ons on the border areas. print import. Just think of it. And what is happer.ing today in the COlIn- India is a vast COUlltry', and in a vast try? The situation is deteriorating country like this we need more th,an every day. During 1962-63, tbt' impnrt D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 0/1. & B. [Shri Hem Barua.] .of newsprint slumped from 124,000 vileges of government service, the Jonnes to 99,000 tonnes. Then it fur- amenities secured to government ser- .ther slumped from 99,000 tonnes in vices. They have formed their asso- 1963-64 to 96,000 tons. This is the ciation. It is a pity that on the one ;position today in the country. 1 say hand you deny them the prfvileges ,·this must not happen, and that is and rights of government servants -why I ask the Minister to re-examine because they are not govermnent ~the entire policy concerning import of servants, according to you; and on the newsprint according to the demands other, you do not recognise the asso- of our democracY, and also to re-exa- ciation of staff artistes, because y<:lU ·mine the likely foreign exchange m- do not want to. This is the anomalous ·.volvement in the whole operation. position in the country. This anoma- lous position should go. My OWn Iillformation is that an About language, I would make a additional allotment of Rs. 2 crores very humble suggestion. In Israel, annually for another two or three where they have accepted Hebrew as years would help the papers not only the national language, I found their to maintain their existing circulation radio station called Kol-Israel broad- levels but also to provide a reasonable casting news in easy Hebrew. I would margin for growth. If it is so, why like our All India Radio also to broad- is it that 'our Government cannot take cast news bulletins in easy Hindi. Or care of it? I hope and trust that else 1t would be difficult to spread the -ShrimaU Indira Gandhi would bring language, and without spreading the some new thinking into the problem language or generating affection for and try to resolve it with sympathy that language, if the language is and according to the demands and superimposed on the people, the reac- interest .of our national needs. tion naturally would be very violent, as we have witnessed today in differ- Now, there is an organisation called ent parts of the country. PIB. I do not know what it does except doling out a rich repast of the Mr, Speaker: Cut motion Nos. 22 to dull, drab and dry speeches of the 44 to the Demands for Grants in res- Ministers and Deputy Ministers for pect of MiniStry of Information and consumption by the people, by the Broadcasting may also be moved. · public. That much it does. Shri K. K. Warior: I beg to move: But it does another thing very "That the Demand under the actively. head 'Ministry of Information and Broadcasting' be reduced by Us. 100." [N eed to imp-rove the working of the A.I.R. (22)] Shri Hem Barua: There are instan- -ces of its officers actively canvas- "That the Demand under the sing pressmen even in the Parliament head 'Ministry of Information and Press Gallery not to publish certain Broadcasting' be reduced by proceedings of this House,-those Rs. 100." proceedings might belong to the Opposition, whatever that may be. [Need to come to a final decision re- . · That is a thing they do very actively, garding the strengthening of AJ.R. and there are instances of it. with super-power transmitter. (23)] ''That the Demand under the Coming back to the All India Radio, head 'Ministry of Information and -1 want to say a few words about the. Broadcasting' 'be reduced by staff artistes who are denied the pri- Rs. 100." \8471 D.G.-Min. CHAITR.A. 18, 1887 (SAKA) oj I. & B. (Need to improoe the 8~e condi- [Need to allow more newsprint to tiOll8 oj A.I.R. Engineering staff. language papers. (31) ] (24)] "That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and "That the Demand under the Broadcasting'be redt:Ced by head 'Ministry of Information and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to give more encouragement to students to get training in the Film ,iNeed to eliminate frequmt frictions Institute of India. (32)] bet1Deen field stat! and management. (25)] ''That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and "That the Demand under the Broadcasting' be reduced by head 'Minli;try of lnformation and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to aLlot more time jor Parlia- ment and State Legislarures in AJ.R. 1Need to better the working conditiona broadcasts. (33)] oj A.I.R. stat!. (26)] "That the Demand under the 'That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and ~ead 'Ministry of Information and Broadcasting' be reduced by Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." Rs. 100." to improoe the service condi- to extend installation allowances [Need :[Need of stat! artistes and casual to A.I.R. stat!. (27)] tions artistes. (34)] "That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and ''That the Demand under the Broadcasting' be reduced by head 'Ministry of Information and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." [N eed to give more advertisements to language papers. (28)] [Need to improve the quality of news commentaries of A.I.R. (35) "That the Demand under the Information and head 'Ministry of ''That the Demand under the be reduced by Broadcasting' head 'Ministry of Information and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by IN eed to reduce the space hired in Rs. 100." advertise- English newspapers for progress to purchase a 1.000 Departments (Slow ments of Government K.W. transmitter from the Soviet (29) ] and autonomous bodies. Union. (36)] under the "That the Demand ''That the Demand under the and bead 'Ministry of Information head 'Ministry of Information and be reduced by Broadcasting' Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." Rs. 100." aLlotted jor [Need to take steps to nationalise the [Failure to utilise funds Press Trust of India. (30)] development plans. (37)] Demand under the "That the Demand under the ''That the of Information and head 'Ministry of Information and head 'Ministry be reduced by BrOadcasting' 'be reduced by Broadcasting' Rs. 100." Rs. 100." D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B. [Shri K. K. Warior] These cut motions are not before th~ [Need to rep~e the present trans- House. mitter at Trichtlr Station by a high power transmitter. (38) ] ~ ~ ~ ('fG-IT) ''That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and 'IW-m~,~~rn~ Broadcasting' 'be reduced by it; ~ if; ~ '\(lIi fur;wr f.m' Rs. 100." ~ fiI; tffi: tffi: '~ rn ~<:' iI>T {Need to have phased programme to ~fm\lT~~~if;~ eStablish a nation-wide te1evisioTl ~q~l1f ~'R~ network within the period of the Fourth Plan. (39)] ~~~w:rr~$~~ f'fIcI'iT ~ ~ ~ I ~ "That the Demand under the mw merifi head 'Ministry of Information and lI''fI''l:: 'fiT ~T ~ 'IT fiI; ~ ~ W!t Broadcasting' he reduced by ~if;~~~ Rs. 100." 'fiT, ~ ~ ,fUr ~ ~ 'fiT [Need to give facilities to Opposition ~~~~'IT'n:T~~ PaTties in Parliament to broadcast ~if;~~lTIlT 'IT I q@ especially when Parliamentary elec- tions are on. ( 40) ] ii@'; ~~~~~m~ ~~~~~~l:fR~~ ''That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and "') ~ ~ ~, ~ 'ifI;f rn Broadcasting' 'be reduced by ~';;f~~~~rn Rs. 100." ~ ~ if ~ 'f'T W 1'Ul;1!' [Need to improve the standard of ~ I '1><'10: ~ if; fim' *' 'R~ broadcast talks. (41) ] ;ftfu if; ~ if q mRr ~ if; "That the Demand unde~ the o if ~ 'fiT ~ flfiT f~ ~ head 'Ministry of Information and 1:(G1f lf1ff ~ ~ 'fT ~ ;r@' I ~ Broadcasting' be reduced by ~ ~ 'ifI;f ~ ~ ~ ;;ft Rs. 100." r..; F«r rn iJ.OT ~ ~ Ilrefq; ~ [Need to produce cheap radio tran~ ~~~~~~if.m: mittel' sets. 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D.G.-Min.. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B. [~T ~o ""0 fA'ifi] t~it;~~~it;~~ ~.-~ ·if ~ a-:sr ~ Writ on: ~ fiI;1:!; ;;m7 f.!; if ~ ~ t ~ f.m l'n: it ~ WIT ;;om ~wr~ IltWi~~~ t "I'R: 1l'ror it; fffiI: fiN ~ 'fi'W ~~f.!;~~r0iffiit;~· t I ~sr-m:~it;~ ~~~lt~~if ~~itiro~~w ~1ft~~~f.!;{{ooif ~ ;;iT it; ~ it '1ft ~uft ~~t~it;~~~ if ~ ~ ~ ~ f.!;l.n ;;rTifT ~ if ~ fiI;1:!; ;;mt f.!; if ~ <;fiT ~ f.;mit; flU ~ it; ~ i!>T "'~ ~~wrif~If.;m~l:;W 'fI<'iT ~ it; ~ <:VI ;;rr ~ I ~it; ~~t~~~~~it; fu11; f.r;;rI:cr m m'1 'lit orr l!l"'ftmtr ffif.rn fim:Im ~d"f.~~'!>1 ~ m~ m-.IT if ~ ~ ~~m it; 'tf~ t 1ru ~ ~ fi!; w if m~ ;;ftlr it;~~ifi':CiT~I~~ ~:;rWt~~ 1 ~if~Wlf~ ~ ~ fi!; ~ »I1"'1~lqlofi it $ ~,~~.~,~'3if~ ~m [>.if'. 11" 0 <'110 fu:~T] kingdom where monarchs come, take posseS,lOn and rule that little kingdom ~ ministers and Diredors-General For that reason you should make a with pretensions to culture, of [Shri Solanki) turn to Radio Ceylon. Our Hmdi this? There are other controversial programme for the3e people is not at subjects where a different view could all popular. These people keep on be presented justifiably. asking us for more Gujarati pro~am me and they have been ""Tiling to us Coming to the external services of also saying that the pl'l'grammes the AIR, I would like to draw the should be increased in Gujarati and Minister's urgent attention to one pro- decreased in Hindi. Our aim should blem. In the Kutch border, there is be to attract more listener.> to our no transmitter working today. The programmes. If we want t() attract time that will be taken to provide one the inteJligent there, we have to is said to be five years. In five years' giVe them popular programnlcs in time, Kutch will be overrun by Pakis- Gujarati. The present position is, tani propaganda. If nothing is done Hindi progammes are giv<,a lilore time immediately, there is that danger. and Gujarati programme" are g,,:ting That is why we have to erect a power- less time. This ;:hould !:Ie reversed. In ful radio station there. There were fact, Hindi programmes may ""en be no transmitters in most of our border discontinued and more time should areas and during Dr. Kesklll"s time be given to Gujarati programmes be- they removed the one that was there cause of this fact that 85% of the in Assam. They have had to install it Indian population there is GUJarati- again now; there was thus a lot of speaking. waste of time and m"ney. I do not know what will happen in the next There are External Services broad- five years if Kutch is not cared for eacts in English, French and many from this point of view. A lot of Guja- other languages which h&ve been rati population is residing there and given in the Report. We are also Pakistan radio broadcasts Gujarati fortunate in having large audience programmes and they are having quite abroad. But we want to re'ease the a good audience. Pakistan is fully same English programme, which we exploiting thi' position and the whole- relay to England, in African c()untries Gujarati culture of Memons, Khojas also. The population ther£' Dlay be and Nohras had come und"r the pro- able to understand English. But cul- paganda influence of Pakistan. turally and socially they are not in- Pakistan transmitters are so power- terested in the same programmes ful that their broadcasts are as power- which are relayed to Britain. Simi- ful as our broadca3ts from Ahmadabad larly, it is not necessary to release the or Rajkot in my State. Unless we Same French programmes In Africa coun·eract this, 1 am afraid we are which we release in France. losing a large number of audience and they will always be under the in- fluence of the propaganda of Pakistan. Sbri .Joachim. Alva (Kanara): The most important thing is, we have to In East Africa, 85% of the Indian counteract the chinese propaganda In popullation. there is Gujarati-spea- Africa. king-85% is from Gujarat. What is the manner in whi-ch the External Service, broadcasting is done-DO Shrl Sohi.DkI: Our aim should be to minutes of Hindi programme and 41 cater to the needs of Alrican audience minutes of Gujarati programme. Naw and We should attract larger audieIUlt! Hindi is the national language and we abrOad to OUr programmes. ThIs want to give importance to the nation- should be OUr criteria. There Is one al language. But we cannot create more point about the news releases in interest for these- Hindi programmes Gujarati. One set of news is released in these people. They just don't listen from Delhi and another set of news tothe Hindi programme and they comes from Bombay. ~495 D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of 1. & B. comes low. We should also adopt "Ii '1(0 t'l"fo 'i"),,tr (~'n): ft"ofl some such procedure. No middle class 'fn:l!if(lEIr" ~\iqm~ti~ ~ ~I family can afford to have a set costing Rs. 1,500; leaving alone the Television set, they cannot even afford a Radio Shri Solanltl: This news release set. from Bombay in Gujarati is sent by telephones and the trunk call biTI5 Shrimati Yashoda Reddy (Kurnool): for that comes to about "Its. 2 lail:bs How many middle class people can every month. This is waste of money. go abroad? Besides, the news release from Bom- bay contains items of local importance Shri SoIaDki: We should try to re- in the State of Maharashtra in which mOVe the scarcity of receiving sets. A the Gujaratis abroad have no interest. person who goes abroad should be al- If the transmitter in Delhi can broad- lowed to bring a receiving set as his east both the news releases this un- personal belonging, which would re- necessary expenditure of Rs. 2 lakhs dUce the C03t also to a considerable ex- eould be saved. This should be at- tent. tended to immediately. Coming now to staff artistes, I have ,to read ,one extract from the book of Coming to Television service, this is Mr. Awasthy. a very important media and the "Worst of all is the case of the masses of our illiterate population can staff artistes who haVe earned benefit much through thi3 media. But neither wealth nor prestige nor it should not be at the cost of public even a pension for their old age. money. We cannot afford to tax our To them have fallen the crumbs people any more for this purpose. 'from the bureaucrats' tables and Television project is going to cost a on these they have been Expected lot of money and all that money should to build their happiness." come from commercial firms and through foreign assistance, which, I Mr. Hem Ba,rua in his speech gave a think, the Government i3 contempla- very pathetic picture about them and ting to get from Germany. If it suc- I have all sympathy for these people -ceeds, it is all right; otherwise, we who are doing a splendid service for -can keep on trying for foreign assis- All India Radio. Some of them are tance for this field of development. We employed there for the last 25 years, should invest only foreiJln money in but upto this day nobody has cared to this field or we shOUld get assistance look into their service conditions. They trom commercial firms. We should were given low wages and they con- not at any cost tax our people for this tinued to serve there because they had -purpose. no other place to turn to. They had no other alternative chances anywhere else. Many of the good artistes who We have another problem algoln went away are doing well now. But this television service. We have not most of them are handicapped because -got enough rr. cc;ving set:.' A receiv- they cannot find any better jobs and ing set costs not less than Rs. 1,500 they are carrying on. They were not here. But in Pakistan and in various given any benefits which the Govern- other countries, a receiving set costs ment servants were getting. ,The ()Jlly Rs.!IOO. In Pakistan they have present Minister has taken up this adopted a system by which any per- question and something is bein2 done son going abroad can bring in a tele- to them. Instead of giving them 5- vision set and he is not taxed on that. year contracts, we could adopt a 'Be can bring Ii set a3 his personal be- scheme which would giVe them pen- Jonging without any tax. This means sionary beneftts on the scale of Gov- 'that' the cost of the receiving set be- errunent aervants. At preaent th.eT D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B. [Shri Solanki] existence depends on advertisements. are emp:oyed in the All India Radio We should allow them to carryon for 25 years, but still they are not en- with their work. The newsprint re3- titled to pensionary benefits. The triction must go. We must do ov.c argument PUt forwi:\rd by the Depart- best to help the newspapers to get the- ment is, if they lose their voice after quotas, and there should be no restric- 4, or 5 years, they become usele~s and tion. We should take newsprint on how can they be given the pensionary the same level as we deai with the· benefits. That is no argwnent. There fOod problem. This is food for thought art> many artistes working for 25 years. that the newspapers are giving us. They have not lost their voice and still Just as food is fOr the stomach, the they are doing well. newspapers are fOOd fOr thought and hence they are equally important for SI1M Jlaji: If they lose their voice, it our masses and for our democracy. is a professional loss and they should Sufficient newsprit should be given to be compensated under Workmen's the newspapers and they "hould be al- Compensation Act. lowed to survive. Shri Tbirumala Rao (Kakinadal: 14 hrs. Their voice could be insured. An hon. Member It is a matter Gf shri Solanki: I am happy that the finance also. present Minister is trying to improve Shri Solanki: Then I come to the their lot. I wish her all success and film festival which I call the Fiasco I am sure she will receive splendid Festival. Here, I should like to draw co-operation from the department. I the attention of the non. ).l:inister to hope there will be definite improve- what has been said in the report at ment in their lot. page 18. It is stated as follows: Coming to advertisements and thl' It was felt that it would be in- newsprint, many Members have stres- appropriate to hold the Radio sed the importance of newspapers in Sangeet Sammelen at a time of this country. The news papers are widespread distress caused by serving this democracy and we should floods and shortage of essential do OUr best to help them. We haY!. commodities." to look into the advertisement rules This Sangeet Sammelan would have and the newsprint restrictions. I am cost just Rs, 10,000. But this Sangeet glad that the advertiscmcn t rules Sammelan would also have culturally have been withdrawn. But the In- given a sort of gift to the country. It formation and Broadcasting Minister w'luld h~'"c helped the integration of may have to be very carefUl that some the country on the cultural ground. news mea·sures are not introduced and But this Sammelan was not held be- some modified rules are not brought cause of thb crisis. Yet, in the same in which will again take away the year, we held the international film fr~edom of the small journals. If the festival-the fiasco of 3 festival---cost- advertisement rules are re-imposed, ing Rs. 13 lakhs. On the one side, th.ere the small journals will have been was the consideration of Rs. 10,000. linished. This should not be done. On the other side, we spent Rs. 13" If the industrialists Or the people of lilkhs and still we did notget any this country who are dOing business restige, but only a lot of criticism. Want to sell their gOOds through ad- vertisement, they should be free to do An hon. Member: It was an inter- it. In 'tact, we should start a com- national 'festival. mercial service like Rlldio Ceylon, Shri Solanki: It was an inteI4;- because that would help these p'ople national 'festival but we have gained to push up their sales. . So, there may criticism at inte'rnational level. . The be no re!lti'Ictions on newspaper, re- intematidnal film festival was a ftasCo. cel.'\ringllieiradvertiseml!l1ts and es- It was a fiasco because.!Ilanr ticket- 'pecially small journals whOSe very holders, including even Memoers or D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B. 8500 Parliament, who went to see certain When newspapermen are selected to shows had to return. Some of them visit certain areas, we are forgetting even received beating. In the Vigyan one thing. Suppose a newspaperman Bhavan, incident where a show was comes from that area, he must also be held a cocktail party was thrown in included in that team. The journalist the evening and everything was buri- who belongs to the area must accom- ed. It was an incident in the Vigyan pany the group. The others might Bhavan and this incident was buried. get things through the information ot But nabody -can forget it, at least those the Government, but the man on the people who have had the experience spot. the man who belongs to that area of it. would know much more about that area, and through local publicity and An hon. Member: Did vhe hon. local papers he could write much more Member get a beating? (lnteTTUpNon) about those areas and give publicity and education to the masses. Th~re_ fore, when the tours are plan- Shri Solanki: Then, I well remem- ned, they shauld not forget that ber that a documentary film was made some journalists who corne from of this film festival, and I still remem- the very area should also be :included ber, when it was shown in the audi- in that group which tours the area. In torium, the scene came where the that way, they will ·benefit and also Briti:h delegate thanked the Govern- give their knowledge and experience ment officials for having done a splen- to the ·peOPle. did job. Believe me, everybody started laughing. The entire audience On the whole, after the coming of' roared with laughter, because there the new Minister. many things !lIe was a sarcasm, not from the British beginning to change. I wish her well, delegate ·but those who must have ex- and I would like to say that she must perienced the difficultie3 and the fail- always keep in mind that this admi- ure of the festival could not fO"get, nistration still has not lost its old and they started laughing. This habits and it will be a very tough festival had cost us so much money, job to remove those old habits. For and the Slangeet Sammelan which that, she will have to be very, very would have cost us a little, wa3 dis- careful. She must keep her ears carded. cannot understand it. The I closed, and eyes open, not listen to Sammelan would have cost us only any gossip or anything, and try to· Rs. 10,000, but We would have bene- achieve most of the things from her fited lot it. a from personal knowledge, be an expert in tru. department, and only through Then I wish to refer to the PIB, to that she can remove these faults and which Shri Hem Baroa also reterred. mistakes and make the AIR a real, I have got to say something about the contributory orgarusation in this pm. The functions of the PIB in res- country. pect of pressmen and publicity are sometimes of the nature which give Shri A. N. Vi~ar (Hoshiar- personal praise and personal publicity pur): Sir, the whole HOuse would t() the Ministers. There is nothing welcome the budget demand present- real a.bout it. In many cases there ed by the new Minister, Shrimati are instances where they are giving Indira Gandhi '\Vhich happens to be hand-outs whlCh are useful, but most her 1IrS( budget demand, and the· at the time, the news given is such whole Rouse will wish her suceeas_ that it only mentions so and so,so This department is most impOrt8nt lind SO Mirtister, and gives a f,"w depiu'tnient. SO far, this departri)eht headlines. This should not be the haa been.. treated as. a second-class ease. They should give neWII which h departt:nent, ~c:a:use, . this is t'he:l!riJt U3eful. time .a~ter a long time When a ttiIl- B. D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 oj 1. & infor- [Shri A. N. Vidyalankarl is merely meant for imparting like mation. I think 'that in a country Cabinet Minister has taken own fledged ours, the Government should of the department. Earlier- should charge the whole publicity and they they conduct the publicity work and hon. Member: What about Shri for? An should manage publicity: what Satya Narayan Sinha? and It is in order to create a climate feeling in our country. Yes; he a national ""'Shri A. N. Vidyalankar: are so many problems. We have Minister. Thank There was also a Cabinet a national climate on certain But his ten- to create you for the correction. I do not mean to say that was shortlived, I matter~. ure in this Ministry publiCity should deal with controver- waiting for the im- par- think. We are sial matters over which various dynamic personality of and print of the tieS mIght have different views the administration of are the Minister on different outlook. But there I know that she which this department. certain fundamental things for and vigour and ana- has the earnestness we have to create a climate many things. She th~t our she wants to change tional climare, and I feel and the Whole climate. wants improvemen\ publicity should create that behind her in improv- the peo- House will be The purpose should be that lng matters. should be properly educated, pro- ple be perly tnformed and they should particip3te of persuaded to take par! and 1 feel the mere appointment develom""l, not actively in the national and committees will present, comm"ssions They should feel inspired. At much. Sometimes we suffer from ,ueh as help our whole publicity should be sense of complacency because say .a fa:se to inspire the people. I cannot appointment of comnusslDns. is of the that at present, whatever publicity to await reports and advice n'eed. We begin being made, it fulfils the whole commissions and in the mean- be <>f the Therefore, our purpose should we cannot make much improve- i3 while very clear. When the purpose So far, two committees have is the ment. clear, when we know what Two are still to report so we are reported. object, and the people whom know, and one commission At pre- far as I addressing, it becomes easier. started its work. would some has just ~ent, the publicity goes on, and the Minister and the Gov- made, request Improvement has recently been that they should not wait is ·such -ernment but sometimes our publicity of th,,'e committees be- fur the report that everything is just broadcast, are many fields where and 1:ause there without much purpose, Papers is urgently needed. I out just improvement printing material are thrown are very few matters and feel that there indiscriminately in every village you need an expert opinion not be on which to every person. This shauld start any new line. There- the before you so. Every time we should know that where the things are is fore. I think target as to whom the publicity we konw where improve- people, apparent, directed, to which class Of these things should educa'ted ment is needed, workers or peasants; or Then be taken up. classes or uneducated classes. At needs we should know the technique. I feel that the department various media units FirS't of all, present there are .a lot of streamlining. their working. The Di- and perfectly under- and I admire we should know of various media uriits are purpose of govern- rectors stand what is the men. They are earnest aM not one of competent $ent publicity. I difficulty they are the principles also. But the those who just follow is that these media counlrles: suftering from .adopted in certain other planning and cen- do any units lack central that government should not should be S~ publicity tral direction. There poolicity or the government D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B. 8504 -co-ordination among the departments Mention has been made about tele- and there should 'be co-ordination bet.. ViSIon. It is generally stated that ween the Central publicity and State te levision is a very costly affair. Re- publicity. At present there is no cently I had been in England and I -such coordination between State pub- discussed with some of those who are licity and Central publicity. Publi- managing television. I also gat an city means that Government are 3D- impression that television is a very proaching the people and therefo~e costly affair. perhaps beyond our publicity should be done well. It capacity. Thereafter I visited Eg;;pt should be properly organised. It and there I was told that they have ,should be organised in the form of a taken up television and they are popu- campaign on certain national issues. larising it. Theq are manufacturing If we have io organise it in the form cheap sets and they told me certain uf a campaign. there should be the things which I have no time to go in- {'lement of simultaneity. There is to. They promised me to give :lie no simultaneity now. One media some facts which I could not get be- un't is taking up one topic; the dther cause I came earlier. I want to zug- media unit is taking up another gest that the question as to how UAR topic; the third unit is taking up yet is orgamsmg television and how another 'iopic. That is why I say that cheaply they are getting television central planning is necessary. You sets manufactured should be properly take up a topic which is uppermost examined. in the minds of the people or a topic to which people's attention has to be drown. Then the whole media units should take u pthat question. They We are noW distributing commu- should act and organise the publicity nity radio sets because we want. to in the form of a campaign. That is popularise raddo. On the other hand, why I say that Central planning is we have imposed a heavy licence fee very much need'ed. There should on radio sets. This appears to be very bel !JOme There is a suggestion and I have Then there should be periodical listened to certain whispers that we ·evaluatlon to find out the impact the should start televis'on on a commer- publicity is making. Periodical evalu- cial scale. Also there have been sug- tion is very necessary. Since the gestions that All India Radio should time at my disposal is short, r should introduce commercial element in R not go into this very much in detail. I am very much opposed to the com- 'Having made these general observa- mercial element . being introduced, tions, I will now take uP a few points specially in our country. Even in to which I wish to draw the Minister's England the BOC has always resisted attent'on as well as that of the this move, they have been opposinl HOUse. in'trociuDtion of commercial element. D.G.-Mifl. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B. [Shri A. N. Vidyalankar] One thing more I would. like to say The lTV the element of commercia- on this matter. There are already lisation had been introduced There proposals that SOme kind of training the authmities told clearly that be- institute should be 'there. In order caUSe of this commercial element to impart proper technique in the they had to look 'to those who adver- publiCity it is very necessary that an tised and not to the public. There- institu'te of training in the use of fore, the public interest suffers. I mass media should be established. At am, therefore, very much opposed to present in the field Publicity Organi- the introduction of commercial ele- satIOn, there are only 86 units. For the ment in this. whole country this is very made- qua'te. You cannot increase this num- With regard to films, I admire the ber because Of paucity of funds. But it you want mass pub~icity and if you way in which film festivals and other want your department and this Mi- activities were organised. 1 am not flistry to come in contact with me opposed to these. But I should say masses, it is very necessary that some that in films and in our publications kind of new administrative system in our literature,. newspapem, etc: should be evolved. The present sys- there is some kind of obscenity. It is tem is not adequate and it has not not sometimes, but it is increasing. I would like that jn order to protect worked well. Only with the co-ope- ration of the States you can evolve our morale and in order not to mis- a new system. The present system guide the young generation this ob- will not work and will not succeed. scenity should ·be avoided. Obscenity is not the art. If people say that in- crease of obscenity is increase in the ~~: art, it is a misunderstanding. It i. '" (ll'\fum) vulgarisation of art and it is anti- ~ ~~m~.r'l!1ml' thesis of art. 'I>'T 1\i1ft 'fiT ~"f rn ~ m ~ ~ 'R~ pr ~ I ~;;ft1ftlf>l',,¥~ In our country also this system of Chain-newspapers and monopolisa- ~ fit; ~ij' ~ ~ ft;rQ: ~ ~ ~ tion of press is increasing. In this fl:roiT ~ m 'R m't ~ 'I>'T mvrN wfr matter 1 should say that 'the Ministry f{~I"f~~~~~ should take action. Recently, in England the Labour Government has ~ ~ it q7<[ ~ ~ 'I>'T ~ft ~ taken up this matter seriously. They i'f<1;~ ~~mU~l!lT are 'trY"ng to filld out methods how m~~T~~~W~ to check this tendency. 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