Third Series, Vol. XLI, No. 35 Thursday, April 8, 1965 Chaitra 18, 1887 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES

(TIURD SERIES)

Volume XLI, I965/I887 (Saka)

[April 2 to I9, I965/Chaitra I2 to 29, I887 (Saka)]

Eleventh Session, 1965/1886-87 (Salta)

(Vol. XLI contains Nos. ]I to 40)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW CONTENTS No. 3S-Thursday, April 8, IC)6s/Chairra 18, 1887 (Saka) CoLUMNS GldlAnawers to Questions- *Sta1'Ied Questions Nos. 790, 791 and 793 to 800 Written Answers to Questions- Stand Questions Nos. 792 and 801 to 808 Urtsrarred Questions Nos. 2060 to 2103 .

CaWug,AUention to Matters of Urgent Public Im~ (i) Reponed proposed visit of Mr. Phizo to China 8429-39; 8453-5S (if} Strike by employees of Kerala State TratI8pOn Corporation 8603-08

~ion of Member (8hri Limaye) . . 8439-54 \per& laid on the Table 84S5-56 "mmittee on Absence of Members-- Twelfth Report

',stimates Committee-

Sixty-seventh Report 8456

Re : Selection of Speakers 8456-63 Demands for Grants • 8464 Ministry of Information and Broadcasting 8464-70 Shri Hem Barua · 8465-70 Shrimati Ramdulari Sinha ' • 8470-82 Shri M.L. Dwivedi · 8482-89 Shri Solanki 8489-8500 Shri A.N. Vidyalankar 8500-06 Shri Balkrishna Wasnik · 850 6-1I Dr. Ranen Sen · 8512- 23 Shri Ansar Harvani · 852 3-26 Shrimati Shakuntala Devi · 8526-31 Shri Balmiki · 8531-37 Shri Sezhiyan · 8537-42 Shrimati Yashoda Reddy · 8542-48 Shri Khadilkar · 8548-54

*The sign+marked above the name of a member indicates that the Question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (02)

CoLUMNS Sbri Y.D. Singh · 8554-59 Shri C.K. Bhattacharyya . · 8559-66- Shri G.S. Musafir . · 8567--'72 Shri Karni Singbji . · 8572-76 Shri Inder J. Malhotra · 8576--']9 Shri Prakash Vir Shastri . · 8580-87 Shri Bagri · 8587-91 Shri Basappa . · 8591-94 ShriKoya • 8594-96 Shri Vishram Prasad · 8597---99 Shri J.B.S. Bist ·8600-03 Shrimati Indira Gandhi • 8603 LOK SABRA DEBATES

,.[ •L' LOK SABRA zmr-n Q\' (.n "0 Uo ~): ('Ii) ~ I Th ..rsday, Apri! 8, 1965/Chaitra 18, ;srr, 1887 (Saka). (~) ~ ~ it ~Tlf it f;r;f ;mr.rl 'f.T 'RIT ~ 1fil oPR!T ~ ~ TI.~ Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the m it ~ mq; ~ik Clock, 'Iili.m ifmfT ~ I [MR, SPEAKER in the Chair] ( If ) ~ 'fi"q qlff it ozn"t Ii'IT 1964 197'8 'fnT ft: : (1l') ~ ijCffif ffi iT ~ iilm 'fIi!f.f; 0IfT'I"Ifu; ( 'Ii ) 'fliT ~ i'fif ~ fit; \jmft1r iIiTlI'f it fur( ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ci~m 1fil ~Ii ~ (f'IT re lI"Iin: 'in 'f>T i!ilf f.mff'<3 T ;;n"t~~~'IiT 'RIT 'if<'T ~ fiI; ;;iT ~ !IITR f.mr '~l?1m~; ~if;fuPt~~,~~~1!fT 1fiT ~ ~ ~ ~ lIT ~, ~ (If) ~ 'fi"q qtff (~-"t~'lft~t,~~tt"Ii ,!f~ 'liT ~ rn ? ~it~T~~~ I 163(Ai }LSD-I APRIL 8, 1965 O1"at Answers

made as to the correctness of the "" "0 ,"0 film: 'M ~ ~ widespread belief or suspicion verg- ~ ~ ~ f-;r;r It ~ ~T ing on a charge that several indus- tmlt~tf-;r;rtmlt"l1it trialists who had got foreign exchange from here from the Government also ~ ~, ~'tt ~ fl;m'q; 1id'r it it; maintain secret accounts in foreign 1p:I1' ~ 'lIT iJlI'\" ? banks, particularly Swiss, which they ..perate when they go abroad; if Bel, "" .0 1;to l1'1W: ~ ~ 'lIT with what result? ~m~~~'l"m'~~ I Shri B. B. Bhapt: When any infor- mation or complaint is received, that • "0 ,",,0 fPln : ~ it; ~ is looked into; otherwise there is no 'IIl~~~ ... way of checking it. Mr. Speaker: He wants to know ••0 1;to l1'1W : ~ ~ ~T whether any instances have come to it;mlt;r~~1 the notice of the Government that some industrialists after taking tha • "0 ,",,0 ~ : mq" it ~ exchange from here have gone over IIlld deposited that in their private fiI; ~ fcmiT ~ it; ~)lr ""'" accounts in foreign bal"'ks, particularly f~~it;mT~~' Swiss, if so, what action has been taken . ••0 1;to l1'1W : it ~ ~ it Sitri B. B. Bbagat: Not in this form, that they deposit the same money ~~:~it;mltm in their accotmts. Complaints have ~~, come that some of them maintain such accounts. Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know whether the members of the commo- Shri Bari Vishnu Kamatb: Has dity committees to which the indus- any enquiry been made; i't so with trialists belong are allowed to go what result? abroad for propaganda purposes also? Mr. Speaker: He has only this milch Shri B. B. Bbagat: I do not know information that some have their which commodity committee the hon. accounts abroad. He has not got -Member is referring to. It he asks further details as to where they are about any specific committee I may and so on. be able to say something about it. Sbri Bari Vishnu Kamatb: It is .~~~: it~ clear that he has some information about it. Has any enquiry been made ~.,.". ~ ~ fiI; ~ ,.;'tf fimr into the correctness of the charge; if

The Minister of Flnalllle (Shri T. T. "" ~ ~ : il ~;rr "~6T Krislmamachari) : I cannot accept a ~ .1% ;;IT 1f~ ~qr fif~m it ~ general charge of that nature. .H the· ~ \Vi it; it; ~ ~ ~ f.miT hon. Member gives me any particular ...r.r instance, I can look into it. ,n~it;~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~r ~ 1% flf;if flf;if ~T Shrimati Savitri Nigam: In how many such cases has any enquiry 'liT ;;rr ~ ~ 1I;m: '*~ '''IT qt ..roT, been made by the bon. Minister? ~ .'q'f.t it; ~ ~ ~ iffif 'liT How many cases are still pending m~ ~ 1% ~;;rR it; ~ mr-rr right here in Delhi? ~ ~ \q'h: \Vi it; ...r.r it; ~ ~ 8hri T. T. Krishuamachari: I do ~ f.rmr ~ ~ ~ f

!Ift .. o Uo ~ : >ill ~ ~T Mr. Speaker: Are there cases where f.tzmr if.T it~ ~ it; f<;rQ: a:r ;;mft even though returns have been filed ~~it;ifltit'liT'li'r~~ a long time back the .actual assess- ment has not been made? ~1%'lT~t I tl1R~~­ qfu 'liT"00<: iI"~R it; ~ ~ Shri T. T. Krishnamaohari: It is a m "" very general charge. According. tp ~fu~it;fto!tpit~~~~ the figures that I have with ttle, 'lif1if it; ~ ;;rf.t ~ I during 1964-65 the arrears were Or41 Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral AlIoSwers

14177,000 cases and the current cases Shri P. B. Chakraverti: In the light 20,36,000 making a total of 35 lakhs, of the experience gained from the out of which the disposal has been operation of the Colombo Plan, may 15 lakhs, giving a percentage of 44,5 I know whether Government has which is an improvement over the devised any scheme of exploring the previous years, possibilities of utilising this Plan in the interest of India as well as in the interest of the countries with ~qq'Rf ~1: lfln ~ iieft' which it is in collaboration? ;;iT iii WR if ~ iffiI' ~ ~f.ti ~.~ "tt !Q'OI1T ~ ~ meets all these questions are gone into. ~if;f~~~f.rn~ ? Shri P. B. Cbakravertl: Is there any ~.o ~o l11Rr: ~ if;f if.1f specific fund allocated for this special purpose in the Fourth Five Year ci;~r.rnrlIT ~ ~ f.rn Plan?

Colombo Plan Shri B. R. Bhagat: The Fourth Five Year Plan is still to come up; but + every year we make some provision *793 f Shri p, B, Cbakraverti: in the Budget for this. . L Shrl p, C. Borooah:

Shri P. C. Bo~: Which country Will the Minister of FIDaDc:e be is the greatest beneficiary of this -pleased to state: technical training given under the (a) the extent to ,which India has Colombo Plan? provided technicai training assistance under the Colombo Plan since its Sbri B. R. Bhagat: In terms of inceptIon; numbers of trainees the country from where India has received the largest (b) the subjects covered by thE number of trainees is Nepal. The training facilities provided by IndIa; number is 1,741. and Shrlmatl Savitri Nigam: May I (e) whether India has also made know whether any technicians and the services of experts available to experts have ever been trained in various countries in different fields? occupational therapy, phYsiotherapy or something connected with the edu- The MiDIster of PIaDniDc (Shrl B. B. cation of the handicapped? Bhagall): (a) India has provided 2783 training places upto the 31st Decem- Shri B. B. Bhagat: I will want ber. 1964 for the nominees of the notice for that. member-countries under the Colombo Plan; Sbri M. B. KrislUla: May I know (b) Training facilities have been whether the Colombo Plan will also provided in fields such as Agricul- include the exchange of equipment ture, Community Development, ~or­ for sports goods manufacture and .also estry. health, statistics and vanoUS sports teachers etc.? branches of engineering and techno- 100; Shri B. B. Bhacat: That is a sug- (c) Yes, Sir. gestion for action. Oral Answers CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Oral AtI81Ders

;no ~: ;;0 t~ it the rural areas to the urban areas may """0 I know whether Government ' have 'ITi mt ~, ~ ~ ~ ~ 'fiT ~ considered the possibility of making l!~ it 'flIT ~ t ~ 'flIT ~ more employment opportunities avail- ~l;qif~~~~~? ' able to those people who are running to the cities for seeking employment?

~o 1flRf : ~ ~ ~ The Mbdster of Health (Dr. Sashila "".0 Nayar): The question relates to ur- ~h: ~;r ~ iI!\f q:;;sr t 1Iffl" 1fT iR ban land policy. This question is very ~t I . important, but is separate.

CeIIJac on UrbaD LaDcI HoIdiDp Shri IIari V'1SIm1i Kamath: How does the Health Ministry come il~ + here? Why should she be burdeuL-d Shri p. R. Chakraverti: with these matters? rShrt Vidya CharaD -794. { S~: Dr. Susbila Nayar: For the hOIl. Shrt Yadhvir SiDgh: Member's information, the Health lShri Jagllev Singh Sl4tlhaDtI: Ministry is also concerned with. town and country planning and urban land Will the Minister of Health be policy comes under that. pleased to state: (a) whether the Inter-State Com- Shri P. R. Chakraverti: Unlike Shri mittee appointed by Government has Kamath, while appreciating the inter- suggested fixation of ceiling on urban vention of the Health Minister in this land holdings; matter, I .again want to know really whether this basic question of the (b) if so, the other major recom- growth of slums in the cities has been mendations Of this Committee; and considered and, if so .... (C) which of them have been ac- Mr. Speaker: That is not j'ekv8l!t cepted by Government? here. If he has any other questi!)]), The Deputy Minister in the MiDls- he might ask. try of Health (Shrt P. S. Naskar): (a) The Committee on Urban Land Shri P. R. Chakraverti: I have got Policy set up by the Ministry of two other questions; but, why are Health at the instance of the 9th meet- they objecting to the Health Minister ing of the Central Council of Local butting in? Self-Government and the 4th Confer- ence of State Ministers on Town and Shri Harl Vishnn Kamath: W~ did Country Planning held in New Delhi not object .... (Interruption). in September, 1963, has recommended Shri P. R. Chakraverti: I could not that the idea of enforcing a ceiling on urban land holdings should be imple- understand what you object to. mented in all new allotments of land This is the main question affecting made by the public authorities here- after for residential purposes. (Interruption) .

(b) and (c). A statement is placed Mr. Speaker: I am not allowing it. on the Table of the House [Placed in library, see No. LT-4158/65]. Shri P. R. Chakraverti: What are you not allowing, may I know? Shrt P. R. Cbakravertl: In the con- text of the experience gained from the Mr. Speaker: I am not allowil1~ the growth of slum areas in all big cities basic question of slums being cleared of India, which indicates the $hifting or the rural p!IOple coming to dties of the unemployed population from for employmenf: Oral Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral Amwers

Shri P. R. Chakravllrti: Very well; Shri Dari Vishnu Kamath: My then, I ask another question. In the hon. friend is also welcome on this recommendations a lot of suggestioIlii side. have been made. May I know whether adequate funds have been made Mr. Speaker: These writs of habeas av.ailable for the implementation of corpus can be filed elsewhere and not these development proposals? here.

Dr. Sushila Nayar: The concept i, """~~ :~~'fiT~~ that there may be some kind of a ~ ~ ~ ~ :evolving fund for the development of 5lITil iJ1fT fiI; mr the land and if that land is used wise- ~or~~q~'Ii"{~~ ly according to the recommendations 'R ~ ~ ~ m ~ 'T ;;iT ;or{ 'T ~? *'795. Shri Bibhuti Mishra: Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to "S1 0 ~ ;mR: ;;iT ~ mf.t

The Minister of Rehabilitation (Shri """ if 0 "Uo l11Rf : ~ ~l~!nR~m: if; ,:'yagi): Will you kindly rescue our am: ~r ~ ~ 'fiT ~ ~ Cf( colleague, Dr. Ram Subhag Singh, ~~~~ l~~~ if; .trom the Opposition, because he is sitting on their benches just now? am:f!RRT~~~ ~~~ .•. Oral Answers C~TRA 18, 1887 (SAKA)

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Slari BaDp: It is ju,glery. Shr1 B. a. Bbapt: It is for Ute U'p. Government to decide. • (i~ii"(iiM : ft ~ ;;n;r;:rr Slut D. J. Naik: Axe state govern- ~ ~ Ai 1frof ~ q ;;IT 'I[QT ments repaying their debts regularly Roi1t ~ t, Tof it q ~ q ~ 'I[QT and according to a phased programme? ~ l(Rf')'l{~it''ffift~~q Shri Bauga: How can they do it! 'fi1f ~ it' 'ffif t I Shri B. B. Bbacat: All this is done. Slari B. B. Bhapi: I have to run through this and find out. I have the fDstltutes of Bieher Medieal Educatioa statement.. I can lay it on the Table. + Slari D. C. Sharma: Slari BaIlP: Please do. \ Shri L. N. Bhaaja Deo: Shrimati Malm.oona S1IHaa: • f"" - ~: ft ~ ;;n;r;:rr Shri R. Baraa: ~ ~ Ai fiI;;f fiI;;f ~ it ~ \ Shri A. V. Baghavaa: ~~~ ~~'l[QTRm~? Shri Onkar Lal Berwa: *79G. -{ Shri Rameshwar Tantia: I Shri R. S. Tiwary: ~ ~ : ~ it; ;Jl't it ~ ~,1 c: I Shri P. C. Borooah: Shri Shree Narayan Du: ~iiTOf 'R ~ 1iIT ~ ~ I Shri Subodh HaDSda: 1Shri S. C. Samanta: .nf'l'l'-~: ft~~ Shrl Kanakasabai: ~ ~ ~ I 6'11 ~ 'flft fiI;;f fiI;;f it Will the Minister of Health be 'l{lIf

Shri D. C. Sharma: Taking the cue Shri S. C. SaJDaDta: May I know from the bold statement made by tbe whether anyone of theae institutc3 hon. Minister, may I ask her how deals with higher education of indi- many persons who have our MD and genous systems of medicine; if not, MS degrees have been preferred to whether other institutions will be set those who are holding FRCS and other up for this? degree qualificati(lDS in the Ail India Institute of Medical Sciences over Dr. Sushila Nayar: One institute at which she presides? that type has already been set up at Dr. Sushila Nayar: Quite a sub- Banaras, and it is doing valuable work. stsntial number of them. As a matter In theSe other institutions also, the of f.act, many FRCS etc., are coming, departments of Pharmacology will and they generally join as Regis:I'ars deal with any problems of indigenous etc. We have a number of our own medicine that may be referred to people who are in teaching posts all them. over the country, including the All Shri Basappa: The hon. Minister India Institute. was in Bangalore recently. A depuh- tion from Davangere met the hon. "" ~ '""" ~ : It ~ ~ Minister and tried to offer a donation ~ ~ f.t; ~ ~ i\" fiI;o;rr ~ of more than Rs. 20 lakhs. The Chief Minister was also present. May I ~~;n~3:1 know whether the Minister is think- ing of making use of donations offer- ~o ~ '111«: ~ 0Qlf 'fiT ed like that for setting a research in- ~ aT It ~ If'Rf 'fit' ~ ~ ~, stitute or Jor medical education? ap.fffir; ~ ~ '11ft ~ ~ Dr. SDShiIa Nayar: If tbe Davangere it;mr'fl?;~~ t ';Ti"'f~:r~~ people offer this money, we will be ~ ~,

.~~ftf~:w~ Dr. SU$hUa Nayar: !i(o, however, I understand. that what the MaharaShtra ,~fmlur ~ it mtr~mr SI'lImrf Goverlmient has probably in miDd' i~ '~~~'Ill"~~~if;~ to offer some type of short training to enable some of the boys and girls ~w ~nmr;r f'flf[ 'W lIT ~ ? ,..-r t who have come out of old n.M.p. Course and the integrated Ayurvedic W'lo~~:~it~ mstitutions and d.eSire to become ,~ ~

Government propose to do with the complaints of bribery and corruption service conditions of the medical gra- against him? d~ates who are going to completE' their studies in the newly coming The Deputy MiDIs&er In the Minis- institutes? try .of FiD8nce (Shri Bamlisbwar Salm): (a) Yes, Sir~ Dr. Sushila Nayar: This question i5 relating to opportunities to be pro- (b) A large number of account vided within the country for post- books, cash, jewellery, fixed deposit graduate training so that our youn!! receipts and prize bonds worth about doctors have no need to go abroad. Rs. 1 lakh were found. As for service conditions, that ill a (e) Government received complaints dtlferent matter. We can take it up that the searches were carried out at separately. the instance of an Income-tax Officer; inquiries show that there is no truth Shri M. R. Krishna: May I know if in the complaints. financial and other requirements have been given to Andhra Pradesh and Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: How many other States which are to set up this premises were raided and what is- the Institute to enable them to set this up total value of the seizures, apart frem in time and a180 whether any foreign the cash recovered? collaboration has been arranged? Shri Rameshwar Sahli: Eight pre- Dr. Sushila Na:rar: The Institute mises were raided; and the amount will be set up by the Government of seized is about Rs. 73 lakhs. India in accordance with the recom- mendations of the Mudaliar Com- Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: May I know mittee. It was recommended by that if searches were made at the house of Committee that the post-graduate any income-tax officer earlier as stat- education is rather expensive and ed in the question and what action has standards must necessarily be high t:l followed thereafter? inspire confidence among all circles. For that purpose they have recom- Shri Bameshwar Sahu: A search was mended that post-graduate institutes made in the house of an income-tax be set up and managed by Govt. of officer and matter is still under in- India and the e:qlenditure on them vestigation. borne by the Government of India.

Credit f~ Commerdal Crops Unaeeounted Money in F_bad *798. Shri P. C. Boru.h: Will the ·'97. Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to Minister of FinaDce be pleased to state: state: (a) whether at a conference con- (a) whether it is a fact that searl'1les vened in BoPlbay by the Agricultural were made in Ferozabad by the In- Refinance Corporation it was decided come-tax authorities for unearthing to liberalise credits' for commercial unaccounted money; crops, particularly for plantation (b) if so, the result thereof; and crops; (c) whether Government have re- (b) if so, how far and in what way such credits would be liberalised; and ceivEld complaints that ~~e searches were carried out at the instance and under the direction of an Income~ta:t (c) the impetus that would be given Officer who had been Posted at bv Government to the banks and the Ferozabad fOr four years to terrorise A!!1"icultural Refinance Corporation to those who were believed to have made pursue such a liberal credit policy? Oral Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral Annvers

The Minister of PIaDuiDg (Sbri B. R. ~~~if1IT~if~f~T~~ Bbagat): (a) Yes. lfT~mR~~'ij1ftw (b) The Agricultural Refinance Cor- 'f;t~~~'llfT~$~ij;mwr poration has agreed to consider, in suitable cases, the question of waiving 1ft w ~ 'fiTlRf 'm ' 'tflro 'm~ I 8hri P. C. Borooah: May I know whether it is a fact that the scheduled Shri Bishwanatb Roy: May I know banks have not taken any assistance the criteria for ascertaining the fin an - from the Agricultural Refinance Cor- cial importance of the crops and whe- poration since its inception in July ther sugarcane and oilseeds have been 1963 aM if so whether it is just lack included in that category? of interest or any other reasOn on the part of scheduled banks and 8hri B. B. Bhagat: The criterion has what steps have been taken to stimu- been given and is well-defined. Some late their interest in the Agricultur.al of the schemes which are available Refinance Corporation? for assistance from the Corporation are, the reclamation of land, provi- 8hri B. B. Bhagat: Only the other sion of distribution channel and oth",· day the Minister of Commerce an- facilities which may be according 1CJ nounced the further steps taken in the importance of the crop, and fOI pursuance of the recommendations the special crops like arecanut, C('co- made by the Tea Finance Committee nut, cashewnut and cardamom which in respect of the Tea Finance Corpo- are all export-based crops, and then, ration. orchards and vineyards, and planta- tions like tea, coffee and rubber, 8hri P. C. Borooah: Despite the fact which are also important in respect of that the decision of the Agricultural export and so on. There are some Refinance Corporation is not to insist other things also. on States' guarantee in respect of the loans to the plantations and yet there 8bri Hanga: The hon. Member ask- is no improvement in the finances ed about sugar and oilseeds, but the that are forthcoming for the planta- hon. Minister has mentioned some tions, why not the Agricultural Re- other products. fInanCe Corporation be allowed to give loans direct to the plantations? 8hri B. B. Bhagal: Oilseeds are not there, In the approved schemes. ShrJ B. B. Bhagat: That is a sug- gestion which we could consider. 8hri Hanga: Sugar and oilseeds were mentioned by the hon. Member. ,,"0 ~To f~: W ~ 11ft Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister ~i"'«~I'" ~ ;;iT fif;m;; 'fiTIro ~T says they are not in the list. '8379 Oral Answers CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Oral Answers

Sbri B. R. Bhagat: So far, they are ducers. The Corporation enters the not in the approved schemes. But :f field where the existing institution3 the hOD. Member makes a suggestion, cannot fulfU their role, like the Apex certainly we will consider it. Co-operative Banks or the general land mortgage banks. Whatever is 8bri M. Malalchami: May I know left over and cannot be covered by whether it is not a fact that the Re- their operations, is taken over by the finance Corporation is not sufficiently Refinance Corporation. helping the cardamom planters in the issue of loans for replantation, which is being affected by some virus? May Shri Ranga: May I take it that Gov- I know whether it has come to the ernment would certainly try to extend notice of the Governmenf;-if so, what the protection of the RefInance Cor- steps have been taken to help the poration to the growers of oilseeds and p)ante~s with adequate finance? tobacco, which make a very good contribution to our export trade and Shri R R. Bhagat: That depend~ also see that the cooperatives of the upon the schemes. The RefInance Cor- growers and also district cooperative poration have approved certain banks which are interested in advanc- schemes, and a large number of ing credit to the growers in regard to schemes are pending consideration. 1f these crops would also he assisted by there is a scheme which is before the this corporation? Refinance .Corporation, certainly it will go into it. Shri T. T. KrfsImamachari: At the moment they have restricted them- 8bri Prabhat Kar: In view of the selves to the categories mentioned. As experience that generally after the I have said specifically, they exclude crop comes in, the prices are low and from their purview anything that it is being hoarded by the middlemen would come within the operation of who get the benefit of the Refinance the central land mortgage banks or Corporation, may I know whether any apex cooperative banks, who have to scheme has been formulated by the look to the interests of the district Refinance Corporation to grant fin- cooperative banks. But if it is nol ances to the cultivators and not to covered, we can make a suggestion to the middlemen as is done now? them.

8bri B. R. Bhagat: Actually it is Sbr! Ranga: What about the two for the development and promotion of crops 1 mentioned? these crops. In the case of these crops I dO not think the middlemen com~ Shri T. T. KrisJmamaehari: At the into the picture. moment, it is not within their pur- view. is a suggestion for action; Shri Daji: We want a clear reply. It can ask them for information. Sir. to the question whether it will be given to the agriculturists or the mid- dlemen. Shri IlaDga: Thank you.

S_ hoD. Member!; -yose- ~ ~: tr'IiT tIl'f if; '3'm" Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The ~ 1fTI'I)q'(flCf ~ 'til '1R~ The MiIlIster of Finance (Shri T. T. ~tm:~if;m.m~ KrElmamaehari): The idea is that It should assist the agricultural pro- ~~I Oral A nsWerB APIut 8, 1965 Ora! AnSwers

Demands are under consideration of "" ~o 'Uo ~: it ~ ~ ~ the Life In"'lrance Corporation of ~ lit~~flf;lflr~~ India who are primarily concerned ~ I lflr ~ '1ft ~Rf ~ I ~'f 'fT'1 in the matter. ~ ;;IT ~ ~ ~ 'TIl '!iT 'tllT'f ~ ~I Shri Barish Chandra MathUr: Is it not known to the government for a very long time now that these benami Shri Maniyangadan: May I know agents are a source of great corrup- whether the government is aware that tion at the highest levels? May I the Rubber Board has submitted a know whether the goverll'lnent have scheme for the development of rubber thought tibout it and given any direc- plantations, whether the scheme has tion to the corporation? been examined and any decision taken on it for financing it from the Refin- ance Corporation? 8hri B. R. Bhagat: The we did take certain steps to discourage, if not prevent altogether, benami agencies. 8hri T. T. ~ishnama.chari: If the which may in spite of that be there. scheme is pending before the Corpo- in a surreptitious manner. ration, I "must ask for notice. But so far as Rubber :aoard schemes are concerned, there is a scheme for fin- 8hri Barish Chandra Mathur: May ancing under nonnal circumstances. know whether the government are But if there is any pending case, we aware of the deinands made, which will ask for infonnation a!bout the are under consideration by the COr- case -and give it to him if he gives poration, whether the demands have notice. been forwarded to the government or not and whether they were represent- ed to the government, because they Life Insurance Agents FederatioB have not been attended to by the corporation for a long time and they *799. 8hri Barish Chandra Mathur: are long-standing and affecting the Will the Minister of Finance be pleas- functioning of ,he corporat'ion by way ed to state: of less ratio and So on? May I know the government's attitude in this (a) whether Government have con- matter'? sidered the demands of the Life Insu- rance Agents Federation; 8hri B. R. Bhagst: The government (b) if so, Government's reaction in does not come into the picture at the the nyatter; moment. '.rhe LIC is an autonomo.1s board and they are considering this. (c) whether one of the demands is • So, .gOvernment cannot superrmpose to eliminate Benami agents; and themselves on the board which has (d) if so, Government's conclusions been created. on the subject'? 8hri Barish Chandra Mathur: May I know whether they were brought to The Minister of Planninc (Shri B. R. the notice of government or not? Shagat): (a) to (d). The Lite Insu- rance Agents' Federation of India held a convention at Bombay frO':Il Shrt B. R. Shagat: As I said" the 30th September, 1964 to 3rd October, board is considering it. I do not know 1964. The convention adopted ti exactly whether such Q demand came Charter of Demands which included to the ministry. whether it was f()r- inter alia the demand regarding eli- warded or not. But the boal"d 1s. mlnlltion of Benami agencies. 'I1hese looking into it. Oral AnstDe7'B CHAITRA 18, 18&7 (SAKA) Oral Answers

Shrlmati Beaa (lbakravarH7: On~ demands, into the particular weight of of the demands of the agents was that eaeh demand and gIve an answer. All there should. be proper training of thoat we can say is that the Life agents before they are given agencies. Insurance Corporation is examin- May I know whether the government ing the demands. or course, Or LIe are considering to agree to it? the demands are not one, two, three or four specific ones, they cover the 8mi B. R. Bbagat: I do not know entire operation of the Life Insurance about it. I want notice. Corporation.

Shri Ranga: Sir, the answer that 8hri Sham Lal Saraf: Now that the hon. Minister has given raises a two demands have been highlighted point of pocedure and decorum. He here I would like to ask: One is about said, in answer to a question, that trained personnel, particularly in the they made enquires from the Life management, in the top, middle and Insurance Corporation and they told lower management. The second is them that they were considering this about benami agencies. May I know particular matter. He does not; eYeD whether the Government will take know, after this questiDn has bCE:n ~peedy action in the matter and see given notice of to this Ministry, whe- that these are looked into? ther such a repres£'ntation had been made to his Ministry and whether his 8hti T. T. Krishnamachari: The Ministry has given any consideraticn hon. Member's interest in this matter to it or not. Is that the way, Sir, will be communicated to the Corpo- We have to be de'll!t with? Is it not ration. their duty, the moment this question came to them. apart from whatever reply they received from the Life 8hri Indrajit Gupta: The hon. Insurance Corporation, to find out Minister is surely aware of the fact whether they themselves had rec them in'this connection? If many of these agents whose whole- even that information is not given, time occupation is acquiring business Sir. what are We supposed ", ULder- for the LIC are not paid their cOm- .tand here? mission money for months together and they are finding it impossible to carryon and maintain their The Minister of FiDaaee (8j>ri T. T. family; if so, will steps be taken Krisimamadiari) : The point about any to see that the commission money is this .is this. The demands. " (In- paid to them promptly? terruption). Sir, it is very easy to find fault with Governmpnt for Eome sbri T. T. KriShDamaohari: This d,elnands being presentP.d to a C ar- is the first time I have heard of this pomtion in which the Government complaint. has interest. The demands are 47 a:l.d lIOme of the demands are e"propria- ~~..,...: ;;it~ tory. Naturally, we asked fer a· list of the demands. The Ccrporaticn ~~~~~'3"if~;;it wui be examining suclt of those ~'" fir<;raT ~ ~ ~ ;;it Wlf ~ demands whiah are Te'lSO'labl~. In fact, some of them are very- extra- 1t~~ifRlrm~~'3"if..rr vagant, and there are 47 demands. I ~ ;;q-m f1r.rnl ~ ~ ~ would like to submit in all humility ~'4\"~M~ 1 ~e:l;ffit>' that it is impossible for Governmept for, a sort of, going into 1Ibese 47 ~ it If( m. ;r.rit ~ 1 ~ Ora.l A 7l$Wers APRIL 8, 1965 Oral Answers

~~ '!it ~ ~ ~ W\~ all-India basis to determine rnlDl- ~~~~,wif;fuit'm mUm and maximum salary scales in relation to qualifications and experi- ~ it ~ f1t;crr ~ ? ence; and

.n .0 'Uo ~ : ~ "rm 'f>T (b) if so, whether any deCision oos 'f>llI'm~if;msR't

ShrlBameshwar Tantia: May I giVe any interim relief, before the bow whether it is a fact that there Planning Commission or olher com- ill much difference between basic pay mittees go into the details of a com- and dearness allowance of ~eacher& in prehensive scheme for the improve- different States? If so, what are the ment of the salary scales of teachers? :reasons? Have they been considered?

Shri M. C. Chagla: We are consi- SIni M. C. Chagla: It depends u ... on dering what we could do to tide over various factors. Take, for instance, the dffiicnlties in the interim period Uttar Pradesh where the teachers are before we finalize our proposals for very badly paid. There are other the next Five Year Plan. States where the salary scales are comparatively better. It dIffers from State to State, depending on local Shrimati Benu Chakravartty: As eonditions and the financial resources the hon. Minister knows, thge have of the State. been tremendous agitations and sym- pathy has been shown for the cause of teachers and these agitatio'ls have SbriDmti Renua Bay: What is it been withdrawn on the clear under- that prevents the Education Minister standing that something is going to from asking the Planning Commission be done for them at the beginning to set up a Committee? Because, if of the Fourth Five Year Plan. lIIIiI7 the Planning CommiSliion goes into we know wbat is the compr.. hensive this question, it is quite likely that plan which the Planning Commission when it discusses the problem of al- and the Central Government are location to the States, it will keep thinking of implementing or ;ntrOduc- this also in mind. It will also insist ing in order to fulfil at leasl partially 'On the States complying with cer- the demands of the teachers in the tain minimum standards in the Il1'ltter Fourth Five Year Plan? of payment of salaries to lcacbers.

Shri M. C. Chagla: Thei'e are many 8hri M. C. Chaela: Even all the schemes that we have considered: one States ·are not agreed on this. Ac- is to have teachers' salai'ies outside cording to the information that we the Plan. Today we have matching bave received, the Sootes of Madhya grants: we pay 50 per cent; but that Pradesh, Maharasbtra, Mysore, Punjab, has not worked. Even today we are Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh and West prepared to pay 50 per cent, but the Bengal have no objection to the set- States say. "We have no resources; ting up of the proposed commission, we want money outside the Plan". If while Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, we give money to one State outside Gujarat, Kerala and Madras have not the Plan, the other States will say, favoured the proposal. There is, "We want the same". The question therefore no unanimous demand even that we have to consider is that of • from the States for the setting up of our resources; but, as I said, we are ~e commission. considering this. For example, the State pays its civil servants as a part of the administrative expenses. I do Dr. Ranen Sen: In view of the re- not understand why the State should a!Dt agitation started by t'le secon- not look upon the salaries of teachers lIary school teachers, which is galher- to be as important as the salaries to big support from the public, does the their civil servants. But they have 'Government think it necessary, or has not done so; they look upon the ·the Government taken any step to teachers' problem as something dis- 161HAi) LSD-2. APRIL 8, 1965 tinct from the problem of adminis- 'iiITIr, ~ ~ SI~~~ ~ ~~, trators and civil servants. In my it opinion, if you pay your civil ser- firmr ~ it ~ lIT ifiTf.!~ it ~~ ? Tants well, you should also pay . your teachers well; but, that primarily is tfIIT~~t? the responsibility of the States. Shri M. C. Chagla: On principle I agree that a person with the same qualifications should be paid the same Dr. Banen Sen: That is where the amount; but, it is one thing enun- Central Government should intervene. to ciate a prinCiple and another thine to persuade the States to carry it out.

Shri D. C. Sharma: From the reply which the hon. Education Minister Shri S. M. Banerjee: I would like lias given, I gather the impression that to know whether it is a fact that the while the teachers are su1fering in State Governments are unable to help the teachers because they are not get- IIOIDe of the states, in most States, the Government of India is a help- ting anything from the Centre outside less spectator and the Government of the Plan allocations and that is one India cannot do anything because it of the reasons why nothing is being is a State subject. May I know if done. I would also like to know from the Government of India has any plan the hon. Minister whether he is aware to lift itself from that state of passi- that the teachers in U.P., Bengal and vity and helplessness so far as the Bihar withdrew . their agitation on a teachers of India are concerned from clear assurance from the State Edu- the primary stage to the secondary cation Ministers as also some assur- stage? ance of the Union Education Minister and the Prime Minister that some- thing will be done for them and that if nothing is done, is he aware, there Shri M. C. Charla: We are not in is going to be an all-India agitation a state of passivity. As I said, in the again. May I know the steps taken present Five Year Plan we promised by Government to avert such a crisis? 50 per cent help and many of the States have taken that help and raised Shri M. C. Charla: I have persuad- the salaries of teachers. Unfortu- ed the Finance Minister to look at nately, States like Uttar Pradesh and certain cases which might be treated Bihar are in serious financial difficul- as special cases in the States. The ties. It is not as if the Centre has view of the Government is, in which gone into the state of passivity or has I include the Finance Minister and. not taken sufficient interest in the myself, that we cannot assume the. problem of teachers. I have been whole responsibility for payment to· saying it over and over again that teachers, Which will be an impossible we have got to do something for our responsibility for the Centre to take. teachers.

Shri S. M. Banerjee:: Nothing is being given to them. eft~ ~ ~t'i\' : tfIIT ~ Shrl M. C. Chal'la: BUt where a iTR'f 'R: 1ft fq.m: f.f;m' Q(T ~ t f.f; special case is made out, I will cer- tainly persuade the Finance Minister ~ 11<: ~ ~ ~ 'R ~ f'r.!iT teachers.. 8391 Written Answers CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answers 8392

~~Wlf: ~1j~ The tariff for the year 1965-66 has been revised by the Delhi Eelectric ~ '!iT ~ ~ ~ J:ffu 'liT'f.T Supply Undertaking with a view to W~I~M!Tl'ii;lT~~ rationlizing the rates under various categories. A statement showing the ;;it ;ffi";f ~ ~m ~, 'flIT ~ 1I'ff existing tariff, the revised tariff from ~a- it ;a;r ~ ~ ~ lIT ~rcr ~ 1st April, 1965 and the reasons there- ~~T~'!iT~~~ fOr is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library, see' No. LT-4159/ 1ft;;r lIT ~ mr ~ ~ll!T ;;mf, SfRr 65]. ~Tfif; ~« mR it ;a;r i!iT ~ Tax Evasion 'Rl ~1m ~ ? rShri DJem Raj: Women teachers have to spend on *SOl j Dr. P. Mant1al.: conveyance etc. So, while granting . 1 Shri GuIshan: increased pay, at least 5 to 10 per l Shri P. L. Barupal: cent more may be given to lady Will the Minister of Finance be teachers. I hope the hOIl. Minister pleased to state: will consider their case sympatheti- cally. (a) whether it is a fact that infor- mation regarding evasion of tax by certain Oil Mills at Jhansi end a Shri M. C. Chagla: Lady teachers number of metal dealers of Morada- have always had a priority on my bad Was supplied to Government list, just as girls' education has always sometime back by certain social had, in my own mind, a priority, workers; because I feel that unless we educate OUr girls,. we cannot educate the (b) if so, the action taken in the nation. matter;

(c) whether any prima facie case has been established as a result of the investigation in the matter; and WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (d) the number of concerns involv- ed?

Increase in Electricity Charges The Deputy Minister In the MiDfs- try of Finance (Shri Rameshwar *711!. 8m! D. N. Tiwary: Will the Sahu): (a) Yes, Sir. Minister of IrrigatiOn and Power be pleased to state: (b) and (c). Investigations ere in progress. (a) whether it has been decided to further enhance the rates of electri- (d) Cannot be ascertained at pre- city supplied to consU'mers in Delhi; sent. and Foreign Exchange to Sheikh Abc1l1D11h (b) if so, the extent to which it is being enhanced and reasons there- rShrimati Ramdulari Sinha: for'? *802 j Shr! Sidhesltwar Prasad: . 1 Shri Raghunath Singh: The MiDfster of Irrigation and l Shri Braj Dibari Mehrotra: Power (Dr. K. L. Rao): (a) and (b). Will the Minister of Finance be Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written Answers pleased to state: of December, 1965. However its first (a) the quantum of foreign exchange Report is expected to be received in that was granted to Sheikh Abulah about a week's time. for Raj pilgrimage;

Pre-fabricated Houses (b) the basis on which the amount in question was sanctioned; and (ihri Yashpal Singh: (c) the nverage amount of foreign *804 SShri Kapur Singh: exchange that is sanctioned for such "1 Shri Dbarmalingam: pilgrimage to an individual pilgrim? l Shri p. C. Borooah:

The Minister of Planning (Shrl Will the Minister of Works and B. B. Bhagat): (a) SheiKh Abdullah Housing be pleased to sVa te: was released foreign exchange equi- valent to Rs. ,1000 fO)' Haj Pilgri- mage. (a) whether Government propose to construct pre-fabricated houses (b) This is the normal scale on during the next two years; which exchange is released for Haj. (b) if so, the number of units pro- (e) Rs. 1000. posed to be constructed;

(c) whether these houses are meant Pollution of the Jamuna Water for Delhi alone or for other cities also; and *803. Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Will (d) the amount allocated fOr the the Minister of Health be pleased to same: refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 10 on the 18th February, 1965 and state: The Minister of Works aDd Hous- (a) whether the Committee appoint- Ing (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) ed to enquire into the causes of the to (d). The Technical Committee set pollution of Jamuna Water has sub- up by this Ministry in 1964, with mitted its report on the 31st March, Prof. M. S. Thacker as Chairman, re- 1965 as required by the Government commended the construction of at Resolution dated the 5th Fabruary, least 2,000 prefabricated houses On an 1965; experimental basis in the next two years. The recommendation of the (b) if so, whether the Report will Committee has been accepted by be laid on the Table; and Government. The question of con- struction of prefabriooted houses in (c) if the reply to part (a) above the general pool for Central Govern- be in the negative, the reasons for ment employees is at present under the del'ay in submission of the report? consideration. However, the Delhi Development Authority haVe decided TIl\, Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila to entrust to the Hindustan Housing Nay~): (a) No, Sir. Factory the construction of 3,000 houses in Delhi at a cost of Rs. 4.48 (b) Does not arise. crores. In addition, the Municpal Cor- (c) In order to en:.ble the Com- poration of Delhi have agreed to mittee to give full consideration to the award to this E'actory the work of various points induded in its terms construction of 1000 houses under the of reference, it has been found neces- Slum Clearance -'Scheme at a cost of ,83ry to extend the term upto the end Rs. 45.65 lakhs. 8395 Written Answers CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answers 8396

"Some Lessons from Five Year Plans" (b) The discussions in Maharashtra were of a general nature. (Shri P. R. Chakraverii: .805 J Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: In Madras, the relief measures . , Shri Subodh Hansela: consequent on the cyclone havoc in l Shri S. C. Samanta: Rameshwaram Wer.. discussed. Fin- ancial assistance to the state Govem- Will th e Minister of Planning be ment, in acordance with the existmg pleased to state: policy, was assured and it was also suggested that the State Government (a) whether Government have exa- may take up advance action on mined the note On "some Lessons from Sethusamudaram Project. to provide the Five Year Plans" prepared by the employment opportunities, for victims Planning Commission; of the cyclone. (b) how far the observations made in the note are endorsed by Govern- In Bihar, the main items that were ment; and discussed are the industrial develop- :r:ent of Barauni area; development of (c) if so, the steps taken to n'arrow industrial areas; establishment of the wide gap oetween plan objedives Cement and Paper Plants; settin.g up and policies? of an Agro Industrial Corporation, a textile Corporation and consumer The Minister of Planning (Shrl industries; construction of a bridge across Ganga at Patna, acceleration B. R. Bhagat): (aY to (cJ. The paper of work on Gandak and Kosi Projects on 'Some lessons from the Five Y C'3r Plans' circulated to the National and the formulation of the Fourth Development Council contains sugges- Plan. The State Government were tions by Smi Tarlolt Singh, Member, asked to send detailed proposals in Planning Commission, based on his the light of the discussions. analysis of problems encountered in the execution of the Five Year Plans. Excise Duties They have been considered in a gene- ral way. in the course of discussions rShri Vidya Charan ShuJda: in the Planning Commission and are .807 j Shri Uikey: being kept in view in work now being " Dr. (}bandrabhaD Singh: done on the preparation of the Fourth l Shri R. S. Pandey: Five Year Plan. Will the Minister of Finance bp. Finance MiDJster's vlslt to States pleased to state:

·806. Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: (a) whether it is a fact that the Will the Minister of Finance be pleas- rates of edditional excise duties on ed to state: textiles, sugar and tobacco fixed in 1957 under the Additional Duties of (a) the names of the States which Excise (Goods of Special Importance) he visited during the last four Act, 1957, haVe remained almost months; and static while the rates of basic excise duty on the said commodities have (b) the problems discussed and con- been increased considerbly from time clusions arrived at? to time;

The Minister of Planning (Shri B. R. ('b) whether it is a ract that while Bhagat) : (a) The States visited the states have been raising the rates during the period December, '64 to of sales tax on commodities other March '65 are Maharashtra, Bihar and than textiles, sugar and tobacco since Madras. 1957, they have not been able to obtain 8397 Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written Answers additional revenues froon these com- (c) whether Government have o modi ties by way of ti higher ratc of taken a decision with regard to the taxation thereon; and immediate increase in the allocation of the Krishna waters from the (c) whether Government contem- present estimate? plate any steps to suitably campen- sa:e the States due to the Joss suffer- ed by them on account of the fixity The Minister of Irrigation and Pow- of the rates of additional excise duty? er (Dr. K. L. Rao): (-a) The matter is under consideration. The Minister of Planning (Shri B. (b) Nagarjunasagar and Rajasthan R. Bhagat): (a) There haVe been in- canal are given cent Per cent loan creases in the basic duties in some assistance by the Centre subject tI;> cases in the additional excise duties the state ceilings. The specific request in some cases and in both in some for earmarked loan assistance for cases. In a few cases, however, the Upper Krishna will be duly c~nsider­ increases in basic duties have been ed when received. proportionately higher th'an th'! in- creases in additional excise duties. (c) No, Sir. (b) While it is generally true that the States have been raising the rates of their sales taxes, the question of their obtaining additional revenues by Demolition of Jhuggies in Deihl way of higher rate of taxation on these commodities does not aris::> be- 2060. Shri Ram Harkh Yadav: Will cause the sales tax on these commo- the Minister of Works and Holl.Siq dities has been· replaced by additional be pleased to state: excise duties. (a) whether it is a fact that in a (c) The recommendations of succes- recent raid in the Capital, 100 Jhug- sive Finance Commissions seek to en- gies on the Yamuna Road, Delhi were sure an equitable distribution 01 l:e- demolished rendering homeless about venues between the Centre and the 400 persons; States. On an overall view therefore no question arises of loss to the States (b) if so ,the circumstances leading and of any need to compensate them. to the demolition Of the said Jhuggies; and

(c) the provisions, if any, made for Upper Krishna Project the rehabilitation of the alleged squatters? *808. Shri P. R. Chakraverii: Will the Minister of IrrigatiOn and Power The Minister of Works and Houslnr be pleased to state: (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) to (c). 144 unauthorised huts were (a) whether Government have con- demolished in the Jamuna Bazar area sidered the representation of the on the 13th March, 1965 to clear the Mysore Government -asking the Ctmtre site for laying water mains. Many to treat the Upper Krishna Projed; as of the 'hut dwellers returned and a Central scheme; squatted on the site of demolished structures. They were removed from (b) whether Government propose there on the 20th March, 1965. All to treat the Project on par with the the 144 squatter families were offered Nagarjunasagar and the Ha.)asthan alternative accommodation under the Can-aJ Schemes; and Jhuggi Jhonpri Removal SCheme. 8399 Written Answe1s CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answers 8400

ContrabaDdGoId in Bombay recommended by the State Govern- ments and (iii) amounts paid by Gov- 2061. Shri Ram Harkh Yadav: Will ernment to various voluntary medical the Minister of Finance be pleased to institutions for 1962-63, 1963-64 and state: 1964-65? (a) whether the contraband gold worth 10 lakhs of rUpees was seized The Minister of Health (Dr. Sushila by the Central Excise Authorities in Nayar): The particulars of the grants Bombay on the 21st March, 1965; and sanctioned to voluntary medical insti- tutions under the "Scheme of ad hoc (b) if so, the details of the seizure grants to T.B., Leprosy, Cancer and and its consequences? other voluntary medical institutions" are given in the statement at Appen- The Minister of Finance (Shri T. T. dix-I laid on the Table of the House. Krishnamacbari): (a) and (b). In [Placed in library, see No. LT-4161165] the early hours of 22nd March, 1965 Information about the requests against the Central Excise Officers in Bombay which it was not found possible to intercepted a Vauxhall Car and re- sanction any financial assistance for covered 6,920 tolas of foreign marked various reasons is given in Appendix- gold packed in four jackets wrapped II of the said statement. in gunny bags. The value of the gold seized is about Rs. 4,32,000. Two per- sons were arrested. Further investi- Tax Collection gations are in progress. 2064 J Shrimati Savitri Nigam: . \. Shri Yashpal Singh: Patel Study Team Will the Minister of Finance be 2062. Shri Rajdeo Singh: Will the pleased to state: Minister of Planning be pleased to state the action taken on the recom- (a) whether Government are aware mendations of the Patel Study Team that in spite of Section 23 of the for the four Eastern Districts of U.P. Income-tax Act, 1961, which lays in regard to: down that the annual value of any property shall be acording to rent, the (i) setting up of Heavy Industry in Income-tax authorities have also been public and private sectors given wide descretion in the absence separately; of any guiding principle to put any high figure which causes unnecessary (ii) Agriculture; harassment to the public; and (iii) Transport; and (iv) other items? (b) if so ,the steps Government propose to take in the matter?

The Minister of P~ (Sml The Minister of Finance (Shri T. T. ft. R. Bhagat/: A statement is laid Krishnamachari: (a) and (b). Section un the Table of the House. [Placed 23 (1) of the Income-tax Act. 1961, in. library, see No. LT-4160165]. states that the annual value of any property shall be determined to be Grants to Medical IDstltutlous the sum fOr which the property might r Shri Dbarmallngam: reasonably be expected to' let from J Shri Sezhlyan: year to vear. According to the pro- lI063. I Shri Motho Goonder: visions 0'£ the Act, the assessment of L Shri Ramabadran: income from property is done Ul1 n national basis and not necessarily Will the Minister of Health be with reference to the actual rent pleased to state the Statewise parti- received or expenses incurred which culars of the grants (i) asked for (Ii) may be lower or higher. Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written AnswerB

In actual practice, the assessing found guilty of concealment dUrin~ officers determine the annual value of the past six months? property in one of the following ways: The Minisler of Finance (Shri T. T. (i) by adopting the annual value of Krishnamachari): (a) During the the property as determined by period from 1-1-64 to 31-12-64, 1123& the Municipaf authorities for new assessees were discovered in the the purpose of 1eavYing local Indore Range of Mad!hya Pradesh. taxes; (ii) by adopting the figure of actual (b) Number of new assessees who. rent received; have been brought on the General Index Register during the periOd from (iii) by estimating the figure of rea- 1st July, 1965 to 31st December, 1964. sonable' -rental value according ...... 9527 to the market rates. Number of old assessees who have The assessing officers are required been found guilty of concealment to take care to see that the annual during the same period ...... 324. volve is determined at a reasonable figure. The Government have alse. not received complaints from any quarter in this regard.

Evasion of Sales Tax In Deihl f sit tm«rn'f ~ Z065. Shrimatl Savitri Nigam: Will 2067. I sit U1Al'i 'i\'fl1IiT the Minister of FinaDce be pleased 1c lsit'!<'i~ qm state: (a) whether the sales tax provisions 'fm ~ ~) llil: ~ 'f') PlT- eIlifored in Delhi to check evasi~ of>i>1) f~ ? contained legislation is being framed and it will be introduced in the Lok Sabha as soon as it is ready. ~Q\'(~o~~) (lfi) ~ 1964i!flfifi!;ir trit~­ Tax Evaders in Indore lfi<:Vff 'f') ~ ~ 5[

2066. Shrimati Savitri Nigam: Will 5,31,029- the Minister of Finance be pleased to state: 2,76,452 (a) the number of tax evaders who 8,07,481 have been discovered in the Indore range of Madhya Pradesh; and

(b) the number of new assessecn ( liI ) 'I'lA~ tn:: ~<:'ffi if who !have been brought on the Regis- ter and the old ones who have beRn 2,18,00,039 'f.qit Ig'

PrImary Health ()entree Medical Officers Z Public Health Nurses 2088. f S~ Subodh JIansI1a: 1 L Sbri S. C. Samauta: Nurse " Midwives Trained Dais " Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: Public Healtli Inspectors ":.I Health Assistants a (a) whether it is a fact that the Pharmacist 1 National Health Survey and Planning Clerks 2 Committee contemplates to e~tablish Fitter Mistry three Primary Health Centres per block t1iroughout the country; Inferior Servants 15 The Primary Health Centres already' opened should be upgraded by st~ges (b) if so, whether this objective to reach the above-suggested lev~l. will be fulfilled during the Fourth The existing Primary Health Centres Five Year Plan; and are based on a population of 60,000 to· 80,000 whereas the Bhore Committee envisaged a population for each centre (c) the population which would be between aO,OOO and 40,000. covered per Centre in case the above objective is fulfilled? (b) and (cl. The entire population will De covered by Primary Health Centres on the existing pattern as The Minister of Health (Dr. Susbila possible in the fourth Plan. Under Nayar): (a) The Health Survey and the reorganised pattern there will be Planning Committee had suggested sub-centres under each primary that the new Primary Health Centres Health Centre. to be opened should be on the pattern During the Fourth Plan period it is of the recommendations of the Bhore proposed to augment the staff at the Committee as stated BeToW' in oxder Primary Health Centres as shown to serve a population of upto 40,000:- under:

Existing Proposed Main for the IV Centre Pain Main Centre

Medical Officer Medical Officers 2 Sanitamspector tSr) Sanitary Inspector Public Health Nurse Health Asstt. (F.P.) . Lady Health Visitor Public Health Nurse/Lady Health Visitors Auxiliary Nurse Midwives. Compounder Compounder I Nurses . 2 Driver . . . I Extension Educator Anciliary staff a8 required Laboratory Technician Dental Hygienist Computor Clerk .... r Store-keeper-cum-Accountant . Driver . . Basic Health Worker Auxiliary Nurse Midwife Anciliary Staff as required. Writt~n Answers APRILS, 1965

FlOOd Protect1oJ& Works in Delhi (b) what better use is planned tar the main building? 2869. Sbri D. N. Tiwary: Will the Minister of Irrigation and Power be The Minister of Works ancl Bousiq pleased to state: (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) and (a) whether it is a fact that a (b). The Government Of Andhra Pra_ large number of works of fiood pro- desh have not so far agreed to the tection and other essential services .in sale of the Hyderabad House in New .Delhi amounting to very huge sums Delhi to the Central Government. have been allotted to National Build- About two months ago the question ing Construction Corporation Ltd., and was again discussed by the Finance National Project Construction. Corpo- Minister and the Minister for Works ratin Ltd. by the Delhi Adrn.inistra- and Housing with the Chief Minister tion; of Andhra Pradesh. He promised to consider the matter but no final (b) if so, the number Of projects decision has been taken as yet. ·allotted to each and the amount In- volved; and (c) whether these Corporations haVe Investment on Export promotion .experience of such works? Industries

ne MiJdster of Irrigation aIId 9n. Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: Will ·Power (Dr. K. L. RaO): (a) and (b). the Minister of Planning be pleased ·Only the following two works of the to state: total value of Rs. 5: 56 lakhs have been allotted to and executed by the (a) whether Government have National Projects Construction Corpo- considered the possibility of shifting a ration Ltd. certain amout Of investment from im- port saving industries to exPort pro- (i) Construction Of Tail Regulator motion industries; of .Najafgar!h. Drain Rs. 5 laklls. (ii) Construction of Hume Pipe Cul_ (b) if so, the steps proposed to be vert-cum-Regulator at Kakraula taken in this direction: and .on Delhi Najafgarh Road Rs. 56,000. (c) its likely effect on our economy?

·No such work has been allotted to The Minister of Planning (Shri 'the National Building Construction B. R. Shagat): (a) to (c). The Gov- Corporaion by the Delhi Administra- ernment consider the investment on tion so far. import-saving industries as well as on (c) Yes; so far as the National Pro- export-promotion industries, equally jects construction Corporation is con- important in order to maximise the :cerned. The questin does not arise in availability of foreign exchange for the case of the National Buildings all essential needs. The question of Construction Corporation to whom shifting any part of the ivestment from ODe the other, therefore, doCi no works were aliotted. to 110t arise. Byderabad Bouse, N_ Delhi states' Share la Central Levies 2070. Shri Beda: Will the Minister of .Works and BousiDg be pleased to [Shri P. B. Chakravert1: j1tate: Shri Sivamu.rthl Swamy: (a) the stage at which the proposal Z07Z J Shrimati Savitri Nigam: relating to the purchase of Hyderabacl . l Shri B. G. Dubey: Shrimati MaimOODa Sultan: 1l0use in New Delhi by the Central Shrimati Bamdlliari SlulIa: Government stands at present; and l -11407 Written Answe;s CHAITRA. 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answer8 8408

Will Ute Minister of Finance bE the heredity of the man) be- pleased to state: comes female and with dissimi- lar set of sex chromosomes be- (a) whether Government have re- comes the male. This science is ceived a new formula from Gujarat called cytogenetics. ::for the States' share in the divisible pool of the Central levies; (ii) There are several hormonal glands in the body like the (b) if so, its particulars; testes, ovary, thy=oid, pituitary (c) the extent to which the impJi- adrenal gland, etc., the secre- 'Cations have been found acceptable tions of which regulate thp 10 the Union Goverriment; and manly Or womanly develop- ment of the young child. (d) whether the States have been Because of this influence a man asked to examine the formula and develops !hair on various parts give their reactions? of the body and grows a beard. while a woman develops The Minister of Finance (Shri T. T. breasts, can bear children and Xrislmamachari): (a) No formula as nurSe them. such !has been received, though views on the existing arrangements were The above natural process some- ilxpressed by the State Government times goes astray and individuals while dealing with State finances. Tho;! are born who show mixed sexual matter also falls within the purview features and characters. For examplp, of the Fourth Finance Commission which Ihas already been appointed. a male may develop breasts (Gynaeco- mastia) and a woman may grow beard. (b) to (d). Do not arise: These are cases Of 'Inter-sex'. The Hon'ble Member probably has this in Third Sex mind When' he refers to these cases as 'third sex'. Study of Cytogenetics 2073. Maharajlmmar Vijaya Awmda: and iniluence of hormones is a step in understanding such cases of 'Inter- Will the Minister of Health be pleased 'to state: sex' or 'Third sex". (a) whether it is a fact that the (b) No significant results or fresh Medical Scientists at the All India contribution to the knowledge on this Institute of Medical Scienccs, New subject has been achieved so far, Delhi !have undertaken a study of lIowever, interpretations of such cliJli.. "Third Sex"; and cal ovservatlons are being studied.

(b) if so, the result thereof? Harnessing of the Gaaces Waters The Minister of Health (Dr. SIISbiJa Nayar): (a) At the AIl-India Insti- r Shri, S. C. Samanta: tute of Medical Sciences, some clinical 2074. J Shrl M. L. Dwivedi: and laboratory investigations have ") Shrl Suboclh JIaDsda: been undertaken to undE'rstand such l Shri B. E. Das: -cases. Will the Minister of JrriptiOll aDd In all animals-including man-the Power be pleased to state: "Sex of the oJf-spring depends upon -the (a) the number of hydro-electric tollowing two important tactors:- projects investigated so far by the Government of Uttar Pradesh to har- ,(i) The manner in w'hich the female ness the waters of the Ganges. willi egg has been fertilized by the the help from th£> Centre: and . male sperm. The fertilIzed egg containing identical pairs Of sex (b) the number of more projects 'chromosom-s (units determining proposed to be investigated? Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Written Answers

The Minister of IrrigatiOJt and Power Drainage Pipes in Curzon Road. (Dr. K. L. Rao): (a) and (:b). The New 'Delhi U.P. State authon'ties themselves are investigating all optential hydro- 2076. Shri Hecla: Will the Minister electric sites in the Ganga basin. At of Works and Housing be pleased to. present, ten different sites are under state: investigation by the U.P. authorities and fOur more sites _care proposed to (a) whether it is a fact that the be investigated by them during the Land and Development Office, New fourth Plan period. Delhi had committed to bear the ex- penditure of laying drainage pipes in Curzon Road and other areas upgraded Thermal Plants for Delhi in the Master Plan for intensive com- mercial use; rShri Hecla: (b) the reasons for the non-fulfil- 2075. ~ Shrl Naval Prabhakar: ment of the assurance; l Shri Rameshwar TaDtia: (c) whether it is a fact that the- Land and Development Organisation Will the Minister of Irrigation and Power be pleased to statp: would be the real beneficiary in col- lecting the betterment charges from (a) the number of thermal plants these areas; and with their capacity that are being (d) if so, the total amount involved? installed in Delhi; Minister of Works and BousiDg (b) the reasons for not tapping the The (Shrl Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) and resOUrces from Bhakra; and (b). No such commitment has been (c) how the cost between these twtJ made. compare? (c) and (d). The Land ana Development Organisation will recover The Minister of Irrigation and Power additional charges fOr permitting the (Dr. K. L. Rao): (a) The following change of use of land from "residen- th"rmal plants are being installed in tial" to "commercial". These charges D"lh;:- are leviable in terms of the lease deeds but it is difficult to indicate (i) 15 MW set at Rajghat Power House. their total arilount at this stage. (li) 3 x 62 -5 MW sets at Indra- Currency in CircuIatinn prastha Power Station. f Shrl Bibhutl Mishra: (b) This is being done subject to 2070. L Shrl Kalla Venkaiah: the availability of power. Will the Minister of Finance be (e) The cost of generation from the pleased to state: existing 36 M.W. unit in 'C' power station is about 6'0 paise per unit. (a) the total currencv in rupees The anticipated cost llf generation issued by the Reserve Bank of India from the LP. Station Extension Pro- till the 16th February, 19f15; ject based .on the project estimate as (b) the total value of currency in sanctioned by the Planning Commis- different denominations returned to sion,DESU's share of the cost of the Reserve Bank as spoiled notes tlll Yamuna Barrage and the present coal the above mentioned date; and cost, would be about 4'SO paise per unit. The import of power from (e) the total rupees currency in Bhakra system to DESU costs about circulation in the black market at 4:2 paise per unit. present? !84I1 Written AflBtDer8 CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written AflBtDers 8412

The MiDlster of FiDance (Shrl T. T. (;r) ~R: (1lI").~, ~'"({f~ Irislmamaeharl): (a) Total notes issued by the Reserve Bank upto iI; 4 ~ I 961 iI; ifiTlf~ m'fif mm February 19, 1965~the date nearest l1;Q;0 10 (24)-~0 III/60 ~ 9lf(;( to February 16, 1965_amounted to I 964 iI; ~m mr ~ ifiTlfm m'fif if, Rs. 2564 crores. m '1ft fWft ~

(;r) 'flIT R

Beeovery of Gold in LuckDow (~~~) if;~~l~~ U88. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Will q"( sN lIT{ ~ ~'T ~ ffiif <'mI" the :Minister of FinImce -be pleased to mif;1!~if; mif;~, ~iI; state: fim> Q1IT 'ftTmif; Krishnamaebari): (a) On 6th Feb- ruary, 1965 a party of Central Excise ~~~~~;;r Officers searched a Shahjahanpur 3,85,748 mit 'ft m bound passenger at Lucknow Railway Station and recovered from Jilin ~~#~I 466·640 grams of foreign-marked gold in four pieces. (w) ~ ~ 'aU ~ ;;rf.t if; (b) Rs. 2500 approximately. ill<{ ~ 'TIft lR'F1 If<: ~ f.rm-<:vr if; ft:rt!; ~'ffi 'fiT1t~ 'lif ~ I (C) The person was arrested and subsequently released on bail. The case is under departmental adjudic- Revenue from Central Excise tion. "082 f Shri lta.machandra UJaka: .. . L Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: ~if~.mq"(~ Will the Minister of FiDance be pleased to state the amount ·of reve- 2081. ~ ~ ~ : 'flIT nue received from Central Excise ~11'~ w,~~~~fo!;-: from Orissa and Rajasthan States during 1963-64 and 1984-65? (lfi) 'flIT !li?: ~ ~ fo!;- q;m:r, The Minister of FinImce (Shrl T. T. 1965lf;~~itif;.;:'14 ~-~ KrisJmamaeharl): The infonnation Q1IT ml.."r'41 ~ ~ required is given below: Revenue Realised (Rs.ooo) 1<)63-64 1964-65 (upto January 1<)65) Orissa Rajasthan Orissa Rajasthan

Gross. 13>33,58 3,75,03 12,65,23 2,/4,26 Refund. 34,66 50 7,55 1,18 Net. 12,')8,92 3,74,53 12,57,68 2,63,08 8415 Written Answers CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written Answers 8416-

Major IUId Medium IrrIgation Projects (d) if so, the nature tlhereof?

r Shri Ramaehanc1ra Ulalm: The Minister of Irrigation and Power %083. ~ Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: (Dr. K. L. Bao): (a) During the first l Shri Kama Chandra MaWek: four years of Third Five Year Plan, Central loan assistance amounting to Will the Minister of Irrigation an4 Rs. 71 lakhs has been granted to Orissa Power be pleased to state: by the Government of India for rural electrification Schemes. (a) the number of major and medium irrigation projects taken up so far in (b) 272 villages (i.e. localities with Orissa during the Third Plan period; a population' of 10,000 and below) were electrified between 1st April,. (b) the amount spent on them; 1961 to 31st December, 1964. (c) No. (b) the irrigation potential created by these projects; and (d) Does not arise. (d) the land actually irrigated dur- ing the same period in Orissa? VilJage Housing Scheme in Orissa

2085 J Shri RaJll;Whandra Ulaka: The Minister of Irrigation and . L Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: POwer (Dr. K. L. Bao): (a) to (d). A statement giving the requisite in- Will the Minister of Works and formation is given in the statement Housing be pleased to state: laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library, see No. LT-41631651. (a) tlhe amount allotted to the Orissa State under the village housing pro- jects scheme during the Third Plan period; and Rural Electrifteation ia Orissa rShri Rama.chandra Ulaka: (b) the amount spent so far during Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: the same period? 10M. J "1 Shri Rama Chandra l Mallick: The Minister of Works and Housing (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): (a) Rs.50 Will the Minister of Irrigation and lakhs. Power be pleased to state: (b) The amount drawn by the State (a) the amount of Central aid so far Government during the first four granted to Orissa for Rural Electri- years of the Plan. (i.e. upto tlhe 31st fication Scheme in the State during March, 1965) is Rs. 16'92 lakhs. the Third Plan period; Grants to Orissa (b) the progress made so far in Orissa in that direction during the 2086. J Shri Ramachandra UIaka~ same period; L Shri Dhuleshwar Meena:

(c) whether any special preference Will the Minister of Finance be· has been given to Orissa to popularise pleased to state: use of electricity in agriculture and to subsidise power supply for the pur- (a) whether any lump-sum grant pose during the same period; and has been made to the Orissa Govem- Written A7\BtD11n APRIL B, 1965 Written AftBWeT8 8418 ment for Centrally Sponsored Schemes ~~ ~ ~, during 1964-65; and li);;r.rr it; ft;yit 225

~~~ 2088. Sbri Bama Chandra MaIUck: Will the Minister of Health be pleased to state: e1l'~ ~ e1l'to ;no ~ (a) the State which possesses the best health record free from diseases 2087. { '"~~: and inhabitsnts IhaVing good physique '"~fet: on the basis of the latest figures collected by the Central Government; '"~~ : and

lfZIT~ a'IT ~lfm- ~ ~ (b) how Orissa stands in this be- '!1T WIT ~il" f.!; : half? The Minister of Health (Dr. Sashila (~) tf'fCl'!f1q- ~r.r;:rr it q

(b) if so, the quantum of funds allo- in Library, See No. LT-4164i651. cated for the project for the current Copies of the report are available in year; the Parliament Ubrary.

(e) whether Govenment have also been considering to take over some KattampaHi Project .other projects of National importance which may be considered to be rather 2091. 8hri A. K. GopaJan: Will too big for being executed by the the Minister of Irrigation and Power States concerned out of the State-re- be pleased to state: :Sources; and (a) when the work on the Kattam- (d) if so, which other Irrigation palli Project in Kerala began; projects of this nature are proposed to be taken over and whether flood can- (b) whether the work has now ;trol scheme in Assam is one of them? been stopped;

The Minister Of PlaJlIlinc (Shri (c) when it will be eompleted; and "II. R. Bbagat): (a) The proposals are (d) tihe reasons for the delay? -under active consideration of the Gov- ernment and the various details are being worked out. The Mblister Of Irrigatioa and Power (Dr. K. L. Rae): (a) Work (b) A token provision of Rs. one on the project was started in 1958. ~rore has been made in the Central fludget. (b) No.

(c) and (d). Yes. No decision has (c) The State Government havp. 'yetbeen taken in respect of any speci- yet to finalise the construction sche- 'fic irrigation or flood control schemes. dule.

(d) Available funds are being uti- "World Bank TeamoD Coal 'Transport lised more for completion of those projects which are in· an adV'8Dced r8hri 8ubodh 1IaDsda: stage of construction in order tha. :2890. ~ Shrl S. C. Sanaata: benefits from them may start accru- l Shri M. L. Dwtvedi: ing as early as possible.

Will the Minister o'f FiDa.nee be pleased to state: MIs. Mcleod " Co. (a) whether the World Bank Team "On coal transport have completed their 2092. ShrImaU BeDg. CllakravarUy: :study; Will the Minister of Finance be 'pleased to state the stage at which (bl' whether they have suggested th ~ appeal of Mcleod & Co: in the :any improved methods; and foreign exchange under-invoicing ca ,e, stands at present? (c) If so, what .are those suggestions!

The Minister of Finance (8hrl T. T. The MinIster at Finance (Shri T. T. :IlrishDamaehari): (a) Yes, Sir. Krlshnamachari): The appellants have co mplied with the order under sec- (b) and (c). A summary of the sug- ti,.n 129 of the Customs Act, 1962 re- ill!stions and recommendations, as . gHding deposit of penalty. The ap- given in the report of the team, is peal is now pending for a personal laid' on the Table of the House [Placed hearing. 163 (Ai) LSD-3. Written Answer, APRIL B, 1965 Written AtlBtDers 422

PrIse BoDdII (a) the total area a1!ected by water l~ gging in Orissa during 1964-65; -and 811ri SubhOllh JIaDsc1a: \ Slri Rameshwar TaDtta: (b) the nature and extent of Cen- Sim ODkar Lal aerwa: tral assistance given to that statlt -2093. ~ Sim UUDm Chaud during the same periOd for effective t Kaclaha~: treatment Of water logged areas? LShri Y. D. Singh: '!'he Minillter of irrigation anll Will the Minister of Fbiance be .pleased to state: P"wer (Dr. K. L. Bao): (a) ThE'.re i& OJ l1y temporary waterlogging in cer- (a) whether the first ~eries of the t&in areas dUe' to heavy rains and Five Year Interest Free Prize Bonds, fioods which is USUally relieved by 1965 has matured for refund; clearing the existing drains. The Orissa . Government have reportect (b) if so, when; and that the area so affected during 1964 was 4·28 lakh acres. (c) whether the principal '!Illlount 1hereof will be refunded to the hold- (b) No separate financial assishnce ers and if so, when? is given for treatment of waterlogged areas. However, a loan of Rs. 45:00 'l.'he MlDister of FiDaDce (Shri 'f. 'f. lakhs was sanctioned to the Govern- 1UisImamacbarI): (a) and Cb). The ment of 0ris98 in 1964-65 for Flood Five Year Interest Free Prize Bonds, control and drainage schemes. 1965 matured for repayment cn the tst April, 1965. !p~".m.m:~~ (c) Yes; fram 1st April, 1965 on- wards, as and when claims are pre- 2095. ~ ~ ~: lflIT~ ferred. The Bonds will be received .and payment made at: ~ ~ ~ 'liT ~ 'ti'ffi" fi!; mffi it w1ft;m:it;~m~W~ (i) Offices of the Reserve Bank of India at Bombay (Fort and 'liT ~);;r;rr it mr.iT ~fu ~ ~ ? Byculla), Calcutta, New Delhi, Madras, Bangalore -and ~ Q\" (wro ""'" ~) Nagpur: mffi mm: <\'IT;; it; ~ ~ if",.fl~ (ll) Branches of the State Bank ~ or.rf.t it; f\'lit W ~ it; ~ fiTt of India and its subsidiary banks. conducting Govern- ~ 2,000 ~ ""'" fiI'tiimr m mt!nt treasury workj 'liToqq~r~ 1l((lfri~'1~ 1894 ~ '1f~ffir (iii) Head Post Offices: 'liT m:r 4 it; mft;r mr 'Ii<: fim tp:ff ~ I (iv) Departmental Sub-Post Oft!.- eesj and Computor SuppHed by Ford FouudaUOD (v) Non-banking treasuries and suib-treasuries. 2096. J SIlT! p. Venkatasubbaiah: l. Sim D. c. Sharma: water :LoggInc' In Orissa Will the Minister of PlaDDiDc be %094 J Sllri Dhuleshwar Meena: pleased to state: Shri Ramachandra UIaka: l. (a) Whether it i& a fact i.hat en Will the Minister of irrigation and I.B.M. electronic cO'mputor supplied Power be pleased to state: by the Ford Foundation to speed up 1.p3 Written AtlBWerB CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Written A7I81DeT' 8424 the processing and analysis of eco- (c) The situation is reviewed and nomic and statistical data in connec- appropriate tax concessions are given tion with formulation of the J!'ourth whenever considered justified. Five Year Plan is lying idle fOr a long time; und . Gifts of Books frum U.I, ('b) if so, the reasons therefor? !O98. Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: Will The Minister of Planning (Shrl B. the Minister of FinaDce be pleased to B. Bhagat): (a) The LB.M. electronic state: oomputor and ancillary equipnten't gifted by the Ford Foundation for use (a) whether his attention has been by the Plarining Commission, the Pro- drawn to 'B news camment published gramme Evaluation Organisation and in the 'O'pinion' of the 9th March, other agencies were received in con- 1965 of Bombay regarding gifts ot signments between the last week of books from U.K; December, 1964 and the middle of January, 1965. A section of the Unit (b) whether the whole question haa is expected to start functioning with- been reconsidered; and in April, 1965. (c) if so, the decision of Govern- (b) The installation of a Computnr ment in the matter? Unit entails completion of nu-lXIerous The M1nJster of rma- (Sbri '1'. 'J'~ procedural and codal formalities und Krislmamaehari): (a) Yes, Sir. undertaking of dilferent works. Ne- CeS3ary steps were taken well in ad- (b) and (c), Books are free of cus- vance. But tite non-availability of toms duty. But at present, even free. the reqUisite accomrnodati'ln posed- a gifts of books require an import ;tcen- serious problem and slowed down the Ce if the value of 'BUy consi,."IlIIlent prepa'Nltory work. This problem was exceeds Rs. 250. In the case of c0n- resolved sometime back and work signments of books sent recently by on the installation of the Unit is the Women's Council, U.K., where the- making good progress. value exceeded Rs. 250, no lmport licence had been obtained. Tne ques- tion whether the existing import con- trol regulation in respect of gifts of 189'7. 8hri 8tdheshwar P1'IISIUl: Will books needs any modification is under the Minister of FiDaDce be pleased to consideration. lItate:

(a) whether the effects on produc- HOIl Bnd price level consequent upon the non-grant of bax-concessions to . 2099. r"" ~ "'" mt : sugar industry in 1962 have been "\..-r1 q'o i!;o 1fI" : studied; !flIT fir.,f ~ ~ iRit q- (b) if so, the outcome thereof; and ~ l!iT F'IT rn fir; : (C) whether Government have given another thought to this question? (1fi')!flIT ~ it ~ l!iT iR~l!iT~ili'tUfutl: ~ ~ ~~"""f,pl¢ f.I;trr t!1IT ~; 'SI'R: (b) Non-grant of tax concession to Sl'lgar industry had no effect on pro- (1lJ) ~~ ~, m~ ;mr 'IlfI duction of sugar und consequently, on its prices. t ? Written Answers APRIL 8, 1965 Wrirten Answers

Relief in Corporate 'faxes ~ ~ fiI'!"!. *'" (~O f 0 '\'1'0 ~Iif) ('Ii) ~t I : "fr, 2100. Shri Ramesbwar Tantia: Will the Minister of Finance be· pleased to ( ~ ) l:lflml' '1fT 'IilT'!C: ~ ~ state: ~;nu~ ~ f.:lI'''1f<'lM'd ~ (a) whether it i. ~ fact that a ~SiT $0 l!!'fo fq;jf, ~ ~~ merce and Industry met the Finance ;;r.r ~ f~ ~nit.,.--mlffi Minister and requested him IJl' some relief in the Corporate Taxes; 2. m $o.no mTo 'l;f~, ~ llfqq, ~ q ~ (b) if so, the main points slre5sed ~~~1f by them; and

3. >.fr lJ;ii 0 ~n:: 0 \lrfcm, firij"tq;;f (c) the action Government lJrV;:l·:se ~ ~ 'l;fN. ~­ to lake on their demand? f.l.it $0 ~, ~ KrWhnamaebaril: (a) to (e). A re- presentative deputation met tile Fin- ~l:;r ;rt:iI~~" mo, ance Mini -tel' on the 21-.,\ March, 1965 and generally discussed the budget ~o ~o 5. >.it

Low and Middle IDC'OIIle Group Houses in Delhi

2101 f Shri Shiv Charan Ma.thar: ( I) fw;fr It, 1964 $ G'Tm' . L Shri P. C. Borooah: ~m '1fT W';ot It ~~ ~­ Will the Minister of Worb and 'fiT '!'1'~ I ron HOUsing be pleased to sta~i!: (2) ~ It ~T ~T '!iT (a) whether it is a fact that a sam-

lf~ ~,fu;<;ft f~T (b) if so, the findings of th~ said survey and the action proposed to be ~'iP:'lT ~lf ~ ~ "i1R- m-

(b) The result of the sc;"\'€y is £os follows:

Houses Houses Houses Houses Name of Scheme surveyed wholly partly wh01h' occupied rented let oui by out owners.

MidJle inco;u, Group Housing Soheme lIS 43 45 30

Low Income Group Housing Scheme 197 II6 42 39

The survey did not reveal any violation of the rules. Housin~ Scheme in Madra~ Sbri Sriram Dur~a Prasad of Naollr"

2102, Shri Dharmalingam: Will the (" Shri Yashpal Singh: Minister of Works and lIo!lsing be 2103 j Sbri Yudhvir SiJlgh: pleased to state: . I 8hri KaPUr Singh: l Shri Hari Vi9h_u Ram.lll!· (a) whether the vanou.; h'>usinl schemes sponsored by his Ministry have not made any progress in M'.,dras Will the MinIster of Fin~nce b~ pleased to refer to the reply given 1,. State; Unstarred question No. 12 0'1 the 18th: Febrtrary, 1965 regarding the affairs; (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and of Shri Sriram Durga rrasDu of )!ag- (c) whether there is any proposal pur and state: 10 take special steps to aec,,!er3t~ the construction of houses U',,1.,r variou~ (a) wh~ther the invesl1gat,un, have- schemes in the State of ~adl'as'! since been completed by Government; and

The Minister of Works and HousiJlg (b) if not, when thes" are likely H> (Shri Mehr ChaDd Khanna): (a) ap.d be completed? (b). No. Out of a total allo~atior. of Rs. 6'25 crores for housing- schemes in the Third Plan, the Madra~ State The MiniSter of FiJlance (Shri T. T. have utilised Rs. 3 '37 crOres during Kri9hnamachari): (a) :Not yet. Ell'. the first four years of the Plan (b) Vigorous efforts aI''' b(:il'g r.;fld~· (c) It is being continuously i~'ll­ to complete the investigation s as e" rly pressed upon the State Government!, as possible, but in view of thei, r'Jm- including the Governmer.t 01 Madras. plica ted nature, it wiil take 9 few that they should provide larger fund, months more. in their Annual Ploans for Reusing Schemes. The matter has also been taken up with the Planning Commis- sion. APRIL 8, 1965 Phizo's proposed visit t08430 China (C. A.) 12.01 hrs. CALLING ATTENTION TO A ~ mmrr ~ ~ ~I'IT ~ MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC ~ fit; CIl!: ~ .m: it ~ 'fIf\iOIr ~ :- IMPORTANCE ~ 0 ~ TO ~ . (i) RI:roim:D PROPOSED VISI:T OF Pimo '>.it fqj;;rr '1ft ;ft;r TO CHINA ~ 1fOOit;~<:l"lT~q,:­ -lib•. Speaker: Now, we shall take- "1m'!' ~ '1ft lIfifillo1fT I .. lip the 'calling attention notice. Shri lIukam Chand Kachhavaiya. The Minister of Extemal Affairs (Shri Swarau SiDgh): The report In (~) : the Indian Press is based on a news ~ ~, ~Wof~ 800 item from the London correspondent of the "Dawn" of Karachi. 111: ~ SITof 'r'J ~ f't;oft ~ -tt1"Af 'iiI'~ ~: it ;;n;r.rr ~ffiI' q;m ~ <;.f 00 ~ if ~ ~ fit;~ ~ llit ~~q,:­ :m it.m-~~~mT~ .~ ~-,,: ~ ~ it qRf t 111 if@' ? ~ ~iI>'t ~'Ilf.t~ ~ ~ ;oft wtftr mrt ~ W ~ ~~~~TIT~~;n ~ .it ~~ Shrl Daji (Indore): Get him psycho-analysed. ~I .,. fII"..... ~ (~) -tt '"""" ~ (;f;u;rr): IIln 11' ~.,.l'lf ~~ it; f.f~ ~ iilRf ~ t fit; ~q;ft;ft;r ~ ~ cit ~ ~ 1ft)- IT ~~ ';ffl ~ ~ If ;j",";f.T fuif mmr:;r'f'f> m~ ~ ifT('f. 'l"~ tiT ~flr 'I.u ~r~ .... ~f;.'f mq ';ffl T 'iftif it ~ 11;'f> ~c ar;n Of>"{ ~ ~? 'flIT ~ ifiT· .n~: m.: "fM 'f>T mq ~ if'f;;rT'lT f.f; ~ '3"1' ~ q T ~ 'f>ll{ ~q ~ ~ ~~'ffl1 lJlffif.r iT \fo '1'0 ~ ~~; ~ ~fit;'f lJ:R iftT ~ ~ ~ T I.- ~I it m~ ~'t;;itfit; ~ it; Wlo mf~ ~ (~­ ~ mq~~~~ ~) : ~1Il ~, iru~ ~. ~ it ~ RT<: it f.nl; 'liT ~ .~ I ft mq '!>'t If[1\" ~. ~ ~~T ~ ~ 'f>T f 'f>Tlf 00 lffil'T'f 'f>T '1ft 'f>Tlf. ~ fit; 'iftif it f~ ~ ~ ~ l!>llf 00 lffil'T'f ~ on: ~~~m.: ~ 11'lfgmq;;rr'f><: ~ fifllT ;;rrm ~ 't SlIT~ ~ ~~'iftif'f>T~11' lffil'T'f i il-m '1ft "fTllT ;;rr ~ ~ «

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Shri P. C. Borooah (Sibsagar): "To ~ ~ ~ Although Mr, Phizo has changed his ~ wit rott~~ ~ Indian nationality and embraced British nationality, he has been des- ~ I f~ '1ft ~~f>P: ~ ~fif; cribed as the President of the Naga fir.rr..;:{'IiT ~ ron ~, (Interruptions). National Council in statements of the W ~ rott if; ~ 'liT iIn:~~ underground Nagas. (Interruptions). '3OAT ~ ~ I (Interruptions). ~ ~'fi1 ~~~, ~~:'IlI'Tit~~~ ~ l\'m ~ ~ f.f'm: ~ ~ mWfflT~? 'IlI'T ~. ~

Shri Raghunath Sin&h: This is practically a speech. Phizo's APRIL 8, 1965 proposed visit to 1438 Chi714 (c. A.) Shri P. C. Borooah: He is directing intending to change the policy or these activities from a country like whether it is still depending on the U.K. which is the leader of the com- peaceful negotiations of the peace monwealth of Nations. May I know mission? whether mere change of nationality prevents our Government from taking any action against his nefarious acti- Mr. Speaker: Has he followed it? vities? Sbri Swaran SlIIgh: 1 may be per_ ~~: ~~ mitted to say that we have no inten- ·~~I~~~~~~ tion to change the policy which, for- tunately. has received the support of ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f.I; mm ... the Members of Parliament of both '!it I the Houses who visited those place. and made their reports. Shri P. C. Borooab: Yes, I have finished. eft If!! ",",Ii : (~ih:) : ~ Shri Swaran Singh: In the state- ft!m it 11;'fi ~ ~lf.1fiIRr f.I;m I!IT, ment that I made, I have said that f,;mit ~ ~ ~ 'fiT ~ f.I;m I!IT he has not been receiving any encouragement from the U.K. Gov- f.I; m it ~ 'I> m-Rufll' 'I> ma fOT1'{ fGlrr fiMft it -months. {{f ~ it ~ mm nc ift ~ f.I; m T\111T ~ iffi 'I> m-fiflrtvT i!; l!Ifu;m: Shri Swaran Singh: The hon. Mem- ber said he was directing the activi- if.T '1fT 1fA ~ ~ ~ '1fT ~ mit ties from London. Our information 'I> ~ irrWl' They are indulging in objectionable ~«rfu;~'lfT~T~~ I{~ activities, but there is not much evi- ~ m-~ ~'I> dence that Phizo is directing their 'fiT mq u;'fi activities. 11;"f. ~ if.T 'If'rof ~ ~ rn 'I> fton:t {~ it omIT ;;mIT ~ I ~ ~ 'R'tt Sbri P. C. Bor_b: He is described as the President of the Naga National m, ~, fu;;ffl\' ~ ~ 'lAOT ift .Council in statements of the under- ~'!it m ~ ~ lfT ~ 'fiT {~ ground N agas. ~ t, ~ 'R'tt f~ iii' u;'fi Mr. Speaker: A part has been 11;'fi •.•....••. answered. I will not allow the whole thing to be answered.

Shrimati Savitri Nigam (Banda): In view of the fact that our hopes of success in our negotiations with the eft f~ : ~ ~, ~ Naga rebels have been dependent on If!! the efforts of the peace mission, in ~ t: I it 1IWI' ~~q it ~ ~ ~ I this new situation when Mr. Phizo it ~ m ~ ifF" Ifili .~ ~ ~ has declared openly that he is indulg- ~ I qGflrulWfm~t I ~~qtq' ing in anti-national activities, I want to know whether Government i.. ;ft';f it ~ '!it .,. ~~ I 8439 Suspemion of CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA)

~1fli -f.ruflf if; iiTIf~on: ~ ~ ~ Shrl Khadllkar (Khed): May I ask one question? Will it be proper to if; ~ ~<;; ~ 'Ii'i.~ ~ m'f1T rn use that expression? ~ mr ~n. t:t'tiCIT '!it o~it ~ wmr ~ ~ ~ I it ~ ;;rr;;;rr ~ R' ~ ""' f'i" ;r;~ ~: (~) ro m:T ~Wfi;r)fu if; 5I'tf\

Shrl Swaran Singh: It is wrong ~.v:it~~\1'~ for him .to use such adjectives with regard to this policy and I take strong ~R' ~ ~ it~ ~, '>fr;nT, ft:!1!it, objection for using such expression. ~Cfiffl'~'fiT"f~rn ~ ~ ~ Mr. Speaker: I agree. 'liT ifiTmr Pi~ ~, ~ ~"l: ~_~mli: it "'" ~ 'f1Pi~ 'fiT ~ ~ ~J;t; ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ifl'fu ~ I (Interruptions). fit; ![li 'fiT "fl1T ;;rf.t~~ I it~m~Cf~~~ I ~~:mi~,"fml it ~'TT f'f; ~ ~ 'f on: '!it{ ~ ~ I it~~~~1'iJ<'1'WfiCfT~ I ~~~:~mt:t~ W Cfiffl' it ~~ ;;Tl!" ~ ~, ~ ~. ~mr ~ I ~"[f'f;'I'!i:~;ffl~ I ~'t ~ mli' ; ~'ffi'i;;r m ~ ~~~ (~): ~~.? ~~'liT{mi~'fW ~;i~ ~ ~ ~ I !iT ~ I (Interruptions). ~"'! ~ : ~ 'iJ<'I'T ~'TT ~ ~ :mi~,~ I q'if ~ ~ ;n;t'TT. ~ l!;~ t:t'I' "fi ro ql'f ;;m

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~ ~ : "fiT "fl'f ;ffl;;mit I lZ.IS hrs. ~~~:~'f~'!1\';mrr SUSPENSION OF MEMBER (Shri Madbu Limaye) ~ <'I'm ....r f.ro '!>'@ ~ mr ~ 'fur mr 'ii1it~. ~ 'l'!i:~'ffl'f'!it;mr Shri Raghunath Singh (Varanasi) : e:m: ~ ~ ~ ~ The word 'napumsak' should be 'fliT ;orr ;;mIT ? ;mr expunged. vm~~ I Suspension of APRIL 8, 1965 Member

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Shri Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- '" (lq" .. m'i "'"if 'fi~ ~ w,,, : drapara): You were pleased to 1l ;To ;;rm ~ 'Ith: "lfif 1l '4T ;To tTlIT 'ff 1 observe that you had issued several ~ 'R m'i ~ or ....lfJll 1 irtt ~ warnings to the hon. Member. Since· ~~~~~~hft~foro; he did not listen to you and obstruct- ed the proceedings of the House, you 1l 41'1141"''11 'fimT ~ 1 1l ~ asked him to leave the House and he ~ itir & ~ 'fimT ~ f;;r~ ~ obeyed your orders and has gone out. I do not think further action on this ~ ~ ~ ~

Several Hon. Members: No, no . .n (·,q""w,,,: ~ it foro; Shri H. N. Mukerjee (Calcutta Cen- mtf$.rm~.r ~~~ 1 tra!) : I would like to submit that it '!Of ~ ~ f~ ~ 'Ith: or ~ ~ when you took the decision in regard t'lth:or~ 1 ~itm-r~t to Shri Madhu Limaye, none of us here had the slightest inclination to ~ '!Of ~ -(~~~) 'lilT m'i "I'Im object because it would not have been :t.·· ... proper to do it, but what I discovered to my consternation was that the '"~ (~) :~m~ Minister of Parliamentary Affairs who does not come to the assistance ~« of the Chair ......

m'i '" (,qll4w," : wr.rr '4T '1W Shri Ranga (Chittoor): Nor the 11l~~~~~f.!;irtt Leader of the House. ifiif( ~ ~ ~ g"ff ~ m .f~ ~ ~ 1 ~ Shri H. N. Mukerjee: ... at a time foro; it lfPff m: .1f\' it ri;;ft ;f'\<;f.r ~ ~ ohm 'liT when it should be dOne, comes up at a time when no help is necessary ~ 1fr ~ ~ t. ~ ~ wr.rr and quite gratuitously makes a SUg- ·'4T~~t 1 it~'fi"{'1'T~ gestion about another hon. Member who perhaps ill-advisedly had made ~f.!;~~~m'1W~::;ftf.!; ~ certain observations. You took that {t4T'IiT~~~1 step after your patience had been tried for a very long time. You have ~~ :~;;fi,~ said yourself that it has been con- tinuing from day to day and you have ~iIIT~~~~~ I~q'fi taken that step. We naturally bowed _ ~ ~ 'R ~

[Shri H. N. Mukerjee.l punishment against that other mem- been experiencing it and finding my- ber, which was a great deal more self in a very difficult position. I have serious than the punishment which been warning those members-one of you in your wisdom had already them was Shri Madhu Limaye--not to- 'll€ted out to Shri Madhu Limaye was do it. At least there are occasions an act which has no relation to the when some interruptions can be- facts of the situation. made and I always aIlow that. Maybe I am charged that I am not exercis- Mr. Speaker: He has referred to ing that patience that ought to be the Parliamentary Affairs Minister done. But I have given them every making a motion about another mem- facility for discussion and every ber. What does he mean? opportunity for expression. Where- Shri H. N. Mukerjee: That was ever I find that there is a legitimate occasion, I give that opportunity. about Shri Ki.hen Pattnayak. Rather-thOugh it may be disparag~ Sml Sareudranath Dwlvedy: He is ing to myseIf-I have been accused mistaken. The motion made by the openly that I have been too soft, too Minister of Parliamentary Affairs was gentle, too weak in not taking any about the same member. action and therefore much of the time of the House is wasted in that res- Shri H. N. Mukerjee: My submis- pect. Don't the leaders of the opposi- sion in that case is, when yoU have tiOn realise how much time is wasted taken that step against the member every day in that respect? As res- and askeC. him to withdraw and that ponsible leaders of opposition groups,. member nas withdrawing, there was they must realise it. no reason at all for him to be given Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: No- another p Inishment. A person can- body has questioned what you have· not be giv ~n two punishments for the done. same offe'lce. Either the Speaker Mr. Speaker: Again it is not being calls upon a member to withdraw or there is a motion requiring that some appreciated that when I told him to member be suspended from the ser- go out, then also he made certain remarks that were objectionabl~ vice of the House for a certain period of time. In this case when you have Therefore, I appealed to the House at given the punishment it is wrong for that moment thai demeanollJ:' of his. (InteTTuptionS). It is another the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs question. You do not hear, but I hear to come forward proposing a second everything that is uttered. That is punishment. the difficulty. When he was going Mr. Speaker: I must submit to han: out, he uttered certain words that leaders of the opposition here whe- were disparaging to the whole House ther they do not realise that this is and to all the members. That is why happening every day and the House the suggestion came and the question· is held to ransom for some time each is before me now. day. It is the occurrence not on one ~ film;( ~ : ~ ~, day alone. I have been warning for f;mfim''Ift~~it;'I'il<:Uf the last few days that it is accumu- lating and the total effect on me lift mr fulfit 'Iii" i'\1r fiI;lrr 'flIT t ;m would be very bad. I have been ask- fim' ~ .. ~ fu.i ~ 1!:'f ~ ing those one or two han. members tfr to avoid it. But they have been mrnT, ¢1!:'f ...". mtfi ~ ~ ~ mit taking the pitch to a certain point- m ~ i!Wf; WIim: ~ ~ ~ ~, 99 per cent-and then when they ~ mtfi ~ '1ft ~ '!iiW '1ft mtfi ~ found that cent per cent was just coming, they would sit down. I have '1ft ...... CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Member

~ ~N ~: ;r@';r@' Parliamentary Affairs. Now, if you are gOing to place it before the House, I will have to submit to you, as my .nflnA~: ~~ hon. friend here has already said, 'I1flT~ I ~~~'lftmq;ftcr<:'l'i~ that one punishment is enough for the' ~ 00 ;;mit ~ I same Member and to add to it another punishment may not appear to be reasonable. Just at present, after the .n~:~~~ well merited admonition that you have administered today, I think we .n fi.fi'.l1'lf ~ : flnf.T ffi'if ought to be content with the action «r.ff 'lit ~ liNT 'lit ~ 'lit ;;it that you have taken. ~~~~~;;it~fu;ti I will tell you why. You named 'R: ~ ~ ~ ;;rf;f 'lit ;;rri\

Shrl Ranga: Sir, I thought you Shr! Ranga: Very wel! deserved. would be good enough not to pro- ceed with that suggestion made by Shrl La! Bahadnr Shastrl: I wholly' my hon. friend, the Minister for resent it and strongly repudiate it. Suspension of APRIL 8, 1965 Member

Shri Ranga: The records will show. WH~ I ~f.rH~T~~ f.f;m "fT : Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri: am . here in the House whenever it is ,essential. I am always present espe- "W~~;ftfa~"""'~ l:11!~ ·dally at this time when han. Mem- ~~~ ~ I" ~~ bers create a special situation. And, ~ .,f course, I have met the Leaders of iii the Opposition and I have requested them that we should try to have some Shri Raghunath Singh: What was kind of a decorum. Though it was an his gesture when he was going out- informal talk and discussion I felt side? He has called the whole House that it would have some effect. We impotent including yourself. 'are entirely-{)f course, on behalf of 'the Government, I need not say that- behind you and you have our fullest support. In regard to this particular day, to this situation, I think what 'the han. Minister for Parliamentary Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Nupumsak Affairs has proposed is perfectly cor- means "importent" which is not rect and it should be placed before unparliamentary . ,the House (InteT7'l/.ptions). Mr. Speaker: have not taken objection to that. Again and again I am being reminded of that. I am only taking objection to his beha- 1ISIU{~ it~t;~'Ift ~ 'f'lT viour when he was directed to go .~~ ~ I 'q1'q' ~ ;(o ~ I out. Now the only question before me is ...

lIir 'q1'q' ~ ~ flf; it ~ """ (~); itu~~ m:t.if ,!~;;ff m a't it it ~T Mr. Speaker: I have been warning him. It is not a question only of f~; iijTd' 'litmq;~ i. I Ie day. I shall now put tht motion that is before me.

The question is: I have tried to make it clear that his behaviour, after he had been ''That Shri Madhu Limaye, a directed to go out, was very objec- 'Member of this House and named tiunable. Then he uttered c('rtain by the ~p~ak~r. be sus?ended words and that is more actionable from the service of the House fO'!' than what he had done earlier a fortnight." (Interr'Uption) . The Lok Sabha divided:

~lf'\li: m11l~1~~~;if Shri S. S. More (Poona): Sir, I have f.f;m, \;.f 'lit it it WIT I it iil'ffi'fiiff wrongly voted for Noes. ~ .~ flf; ~ 'flIT ~T l;;r) Mr. Speaker: That will be record- 11l'i1{ ~~'f.t ~~ ~it it 'Wf.\' ~;if ~ ed. SU8~nsion of CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) Member

DtvisioD NO.9] .' [12.41 hrs; AYES .-4.cbal Singh, Shri Kbadiltar, Sbri Patel, Shri Man Sinh P . Akkamma Devi, Shrimati Khan. Dr. P.N. Patel, Sbri RajeshwlU Alva, Shri Joachim Khan. Sbri Osmaa Ali PaUl. 8hri S.B. il'1)11'. ShriPrank Khan. 8hri Shahnawal! Po_it, Sbri B.C. Bajaj, Sbri Kamalnayan lCb ...... 8bri Mohr Chand P ....hhi Roman. 8bri C.R. Balmiki, Shri Khuma, 8bri P.IC. PiUa~ Sbri Nataraj. Barbtalti, Shrimati Reoub Kmdar La!. 8bri Prabhabr, 8hri Naval Barman, Shri P.C. ICototi. Sbri Liladbar Rash .....th Sm.b, Shri B"appa. 8bri Kripa Shankat. Sbri Raj &badur, Shri Bas.a~ 8hri lCrishna. Sbri M.R. Raja, Sbri c.R. Bhagat, Sbri B.R. Kri.blIamachari. 8bri T.T. Rajdeo Sm.b, 8hri Bhagvati. Smi lCuzeeI. 8bri B.N. Raj ... Dr. D.S. Bhah Darshan. 8hri Lalmn Chaudhry, 8bri Rom. Sbri T. Bhanacharyya. Shri C.K. Labbmibntbamma, Sbri ....ti Ram 8uhhag SUtBh. Dr. Bisl, Shri J.B.S. Lalit Sen. Shri Ilam Swarup. Shri Borooah, Shri P.C. La.m, 8bri N.R. Ramdhani D ... Sbri Bra;:shwar Pruad,. Shrj LoDibr. Sbri RaDc. 8bri Brij Bali Lal. 8bri Mahad.. a Praad. Dr. Rao,Dr. K.L 1Jrij Raj Singh. Shri Majjtb\a. 8bri Rao~ Shri Krisheamoottby ChaDda, Shtimati IyotS'J18 Malaichoml. Sbri Roo. Sbri Rajagapal. Chaackobhan SiDgI"., Sbri M.la~ya. Shri K.O. !lao. Sbri ThirumaIa Chaturoedi. Siui S.N. MalhOlrll, 8bri Indet J. Rattan La!; Sbri C..haui:lhry, Sbri Chandramani'Lal _II, Sbri U.S. Ray. SbrimaU _uta Cbaudbwi. Sbri D.S. M ...... Sbri Reddy. Sbrimati Yaohoda Chaudburi. Sbrimati Kmnala Maadol, Dr. P. R07.8briB_ . Chaudhuri. Sbri Sachindra Maadal. Shri YamUDI: Prasad Saba, Dr. S.]I';. Cbavan. Shri n.R. Maniyo....-. 8hri Sohu. Sbri_..... Chavda, Sbrimati Joraben Mantri, Sbri D.D. Saipl, Sbri A.S. Chuni Lal. Sbri _yo Dm. 8bri Samonta. Sbri S.C. D.I~t Sin8b, Shri M.hrotra. 8bri IIrII Bihari S...... 8bri A. T. Du, Shri B. K. _.8briJ.R. Satyabbama Deyi. Shrimati nu, Shri'N.T. MeMa, Shri Jub_t SciDdia. Sbri:Dati Vija,.. Raie Dnhtnvtb, Dr. P.~. Meoai. Sbri C... ..-J Datt S.... 8hri P.G. Digtir, Sbri Mino. 8bri B..... Ali Shah. Sbri Manabendr. S __ Devi,Shrlmati Di_h SiDgb,. Shri .. Mi3bra~ Shri Bibhuti Dubey, Sbri R.G. Mi.hra. 8hri M.P. Slwn Natb, Sbri Dw1'9cdi. Sbri M. L. Misra. Shri Shyam Dhar Sharma. Sbri D.C. Eriflll, Sbri D. Mobsin. Sbri Shubi, Sbri La! Babadue Gajraj SiDsh 1\ao. ShT 1 Monru, Shri Shootri, Shri Ramanaad Ganapm Ram, Shri Mukerjee. Sbrimati Sharda Sbco NaraiD, Sbri Gub •• Sbri A.C. Mus.fir, Shri G. S. Siddanaoiappa. Sbri GuP~. 8hri Shi" Charaa Muthiab. Sbri Siddhanti.Sbri ragde. Sinalo 8arnni. Shri AntAr Noll<. Sbri D.r· Siddioh. Sbri Hecla, Shri . Nanda, 8bri Sidheshwar Pr'3.d~ Shri Hem Raj, Shri Nub>. Sbri P.S. Sin8b. Shri D.N. Himatfingb, ,Sbri Nayu. Shri Mohan Singh. Shri K.K. lqb.~ Sin&b, Shri No.... Dr. 8uah1\a Siaha, Shrirnati Ratndulari Jadba", Sbri M.L. Neumony. Shri Sinha. Shri Satya Nua,.•• JamO. Sbri S.G. Nlgom. Shrimati S.ritri Sinbaaan Singh. Sbd J OJ";. ShriA.C. Niranjan Lal, Sbri Sonavane. Shri J101ishi, Shri J.P. Oza, Sbri Subbataman. Sbri Kabir. Shri HUmaY'llD Pandt:, Shri K.N. Somal Pnaad. Shri KI;toltar, Shri Pandey. Shri R.S. Swaren Singh. Shri Kamble. Sh'ri Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath Thengondu, Shri 'Kanriamwaf, Sbrimati T.i Pandit. Shrimad Vi;.,. 'Labhmi Thewt, Shri V.V. Komi Smpii. 8bri 'anna Lal. Shri Tiwary. Shrl K.N. KtistUfJg, 8hri Risbanr Pa~hat. Shri 1"i.wary. Shri R.S. 163 (Al)LSD-4. 'Phizo's APRn. 8, 1965 PTllpOsed wit to China 8454 (c. A.)

Tyqi, Shri Varma, Shri Raoinclra Vy ••, Shri Radhelai Upadbyaya, Shri Skin Dutt Veerabaaappa, Shrl Wadiwa. Shri Val.. , Shri Verma, Shri Bal80l'ind Wasnik, Shri Balkrishna· Varmll, Shri M.L. Vidyalankar, Shri A.N. Yadav. Shri Ram Hark~ NOES Alvares. 8hri Gokaran Prasad. Shri Raghavan. Shri A.V. Ramcshwuanand, Shri Bade, Shri Gulshan, Shri Bagri, Shri Kachhavaiya. 8hri Hukam Chand Bango, Shri Banerjee, Shri S.M. Killar, Shri Gauri Shonkar Reddy. ShTi Narasimlla. B.",., Shri Hem Kamath. 8hri Han Vishnu Sezhiyan. Shri Basant Kunwari. Shrimati Kar. 8hri Prabhat Singh, Shri A.P. Berwa, Shri Onkar Lal Krishnapal Singh, Shri Singh.. Shri Y.D. Bhattacharya" Shri Dincll Manoharan. Shri Singha, Sbri Y.N. Bhoel, Shri P.H. Misra, Dr. U. Solanki, Shri Bu.. Singh, Shri More, Shri S.S. Swamy. Shri Sivamurthi Chakravartty. Shrimati Renu Mukerjec. Sbri H.N. Vimla Devi, Shrimati Chaudhuri. Shri Tridib Kumar Murmu, Shri Sum Vishram Prasad, Shri Da;i, Shri Nair, Shri Vuudevan Warior. Shri Dhaon. Shri Pattnayak, Sbri Kilhen Yainik. Shri wivedy. Shr i Surendranath ponekkatt, Shri

Mr. Speaker: The result of the Phizo, who is a Britbh citizen, for division is:- guidance. In that case, may I know Ayes 183; Noes 44. what steps Government have taken to disrupt the contact of the Naga The motion was adopted. hostiles with Mr. PhizQ aDd stop it altogether? ~ ~ ~ WI'IT finr-f : mU Shri Swaran Singh: W c ar~ not ifiT ~ i'i'(~ 'AT ~lT doing anything in that con\(>xt. If they are in touch with hirr.. or writing ~ ~ : ire I:t'fi ~ '!'f ;;ftf;ro;' to him, Or doing som2thing of th::>t ~~~ nature, I do not know how we could prevent that. But we are anxious !If6Im ~ : ~ th-at these peace talks s;lould not he delayed. We are doing everything Order, order. I am not allowing possible to see that the peace talks him. conclude soon. Shri Bagri left the H DUse at this Shrimati Renuka Barkataki (Bar. stage. peta) : In view of the fact that though he is a British national, Phizo still cloaims to be the leader of the 12.43 hrs. Nagaland Independence Movement and in view of the Iact that the hos- CALLING ATTENION TO MATTER tile Nagas and their so-called Gov- OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE ernment still draw theh' inspiration -contd. from Phizo, and are under his influ- ence, does the Government propose REPORTED PROPOSED VISIT OF PHIzo TO CHINA-contd. to instruct our delegation at the peace talks to raise the question of Shri Hem Barna (Gauhati): The this declaration of Mr. Phizo with the progress of the Naga Peace talks has, leaders of the Naga hostiles anef insist been very slow and sluggish and an that the Naga ~ hostiles should unequi- 'imJlression has gained that it has vocally dissociate themselves from become slow and sluggish because the Phizo's plan to seek Chinese assist- Naga hostiles are contracting Mr. ance, or face the consequences that

"The name of one Member could not be recorded under "Ayes". 8455 . Papers lAid CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA)Re. Selection of 8456 Sped:en

will follow frOm their implicit confes- [Placed in Library, see No. sion of collusion with China, which is LT-4165165]. an enemy nation? (2) A copy each of the following Shri Swann Singh: In the first Notifications under section place, none of the leaiiers Of the Naga 296 of the Income-tax Ad, hostiles who are carrying on these 1963: talks has ever suggested that they (i) S.O. 1002 dated the 29th want to seek any Chinese help. It is March, 1965, containing not for us to suggest that they should OorriJgenda to Notification do this or do that. We are interested No. S.O. 2567 dated the 26th. in finding Q satisfac!ory solution so .July, 1964. that the misgivings that the Nagas have been feeling and having all this (ii) S.O. 1003 dated the 29th time may disappear from that sec- March 1965, containing tion of the Naga people. Corrigenda to }\:otification No. S.O. 591 dated the 15th February, 1965. [Placed in Library, see No. LT- 12'« hrs. 4157165]. PAPERS LAID ON TIlE TABLE 12.45 hI'S. ANNUAL REPORT OF INDfAN CENTRAL SUGARCANE COMMITTEE CO~ITTEE ON ABSENCE OF MEMBERS The Deputy Minister in the Minis- try of FOod and Agricl!lture (Shri TwELFTH REPORT D. R. Chavan): Sir, I beg to lay Shri Khadilkar (Khed): Sir, 1 beg on the Table a copy of Annual Report to present the Twelfth Report of the of the Indian Central Sugal"cane Com- Committee On AbsenCe of Members mittee for the year 1963-64. [Placed in from the Sittings of the House. Library, see No. LT-4155i65].

NOTIFICATIONS UNDER SEA CUSTOMS ACT AND SALT ACT 12.45-1/2 hrs. The Deputy Minister in the MiDis- ESTIMATES COMMITTEE tn of FInaDce (Slui Ramesb.war saha): I beg to lay on the Thble:- SIXTY-SEVENTH REPoRT

(1) a cOpy each of the following Shri A. C. Gulla (Barasat): Sir, I Notifications under section beg to present the Sixty-seventh 159 of the Customs Act, 1962 Report of the Estimates Committee on and section 38 of the Central the Ministry of Transport-Calcutta Excises and Salt Act, 1944, and Haldia Ports. making certain further amendments to the Customs and Central ];;xClSe Duties 12.46 brs. Export DTawback (General Rules, 1960:- RE: SELECTION OF SPEAKER (i) GSR 437 dated the 20th March, 1965. -it~ ful (~) : ~ it ~ 1:% 'I<{ lIlT I ~it~ (iil GSR 438 dated the 20th n;.r March, 1965. 'Sl1fT "f"f ~ ~ f.l; 1:% ~ it J;f1lfR 8457 Re: Selection APRIL 8, 1965 of Speakers

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Shri Sv.reDdraDath Dwtred7 (K~nd. Mr~' Speaker: That is the difftcullT. rapara): lit is really lIIIlIlinst the Sometimes there ere two or three tyranny of the Congress whip. Ministers also who have to intervene; Congress Members do aul!er. Shrimati Yashoda BeIldy lKurnool): therefore, thingS that they have Although catching your eye is a good But these notice at this moment method and most probably the best brought to my discUSSed in the method, sometimes you ere not there ought to have been That would have been and the Deputy-Speaker is also not party itself. much better. there Bnd some member on the Panel of Chairmen is there. Then, the The Directions by the Speaker are difficulty of discretion arises. But, as very clear jOn lthis point aDd Sbri far as our party is concerned, I feel Sinhasan Singh haa probably read that there is some meaning in the No. U5A. Has he read it? . party whip giving a list because it DirectiOn It is very clear. does happen that we have more people can be accommodated. But than SIIri Sinhaaan SiIII'h: Rule 350. there is one thing that I would like it happens to submit. Sometimes, Mr. Speaker: I am ialking of the Member, fortunately or that one Direction. I will read it out and :l:t to sPeak on more unfortunately, tries would be very clear. I v.'iU try to Demands for Grants than one of the act upon that to the best of my sbi- has spoken once, and just becaUSe he lity and would also request the the Chair should just for that m'Btter, Deputy-Speaker as well as the mem- Member. That is the not disallow the bers on the Panel of Chairmen that that I appeal to you. Our only thing they should also follow that. It rie;ht in giVing party is being quite reads:- a list and, of course, ultimately the discretion lies with the Chair and we "Anyone of the following three have always been satisfied with you. methods may be adopted by mem· desire to notify the Mr. Speaftr: I really have all the bers who intention to tske sympathy with hon. Members. I agree SpeQker of their or discusskm.:-". that on very many occasions time is part in a debate not equitably distributed among Mem. The first is:- bers and some Members are left ,"ut. I do realise that. "The names of members who Sbri IDder 1. Malhotra: Specially wish to participate in a particular Congress Members. debate or discussion may be sup- plied to the Speaker by the par- Mr. Speaker: Congress Members liamentary Parties or groups." 'Bre left out. That is right. I agree there also. But, because they are in The second is:- numbers, they haVe to such large "A member who prefers to sacrifice also. write direct to the Speaker may SIni. Karl Vishnu Kamath (Hoshan- do SO without having to go through gabad); It is their fault, Sir, that the machinery of parliamentary they are so m'Bny. party 01. group." Mr. Speaker: They do feel that Directly elso he can write to me. The they constitute about 75 per cent of third is:- they get only 50 the strength .and yet "A member who may not like of the time if the time taken per cent to give his name to the Speaker is taken out. by Ministers through his party or to write Shri Raghunath SiDch: That is our direct to the Speaker"- . main difficulty. We get only 50 per he may not like to do either of these cent of the time. Be: Selection CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) D. G.-Min. of 1464 of Speaker. 1. & B. things, then too- Mr. Speaker: I find, most '14embers go away; they do not care to listen "but wishes to adopt the well.. to the reply even. There are some "known parli'lllnentary practice of who have taken care to write to me catching the Speaker's eye may they cannot be present that they in his seat whenever ,he when stand not be present; but, there are part in a debate. would wishes to take finish their speeches Unless"- - others who Just and go away. That happens on both this is forgotten and we are not sides. -acting. upon it perhaps; Shri Sinha- 13 hrs. All Singh too would be satisfied with it- Dr. ltanen.Sen (Calcutta East): Sometimes, the Ministers also are "Unless a member rises in his absent when the speeches go on here. seat and catches the Speaker's eye, he shall not be called upon Mr. Speaker: In such cases, my by the Speaker to speak, irres- attention is drawn at once to it, and I pective of whether he has sent his always -ask the Ministers to remain name through his party or group present. or written direct to the Speaker." The over-riding factor would the eye of So, we will try to follow it. EVery- ulways remain catching one, who has to speak, whether his the Speaker. name is contained in the list or not, Shri Kari Visbnu Kamath: May be will have to stand. the ear also. Shri Bari Visbnu Kamaih: Cne Barvani (Bisauli): more method may be permitted. If Shri ADsar cases where the he cannot catch your eye, he may There ibave ibeen have been taken catch WOUr ear. names of Memibers by the Chair, Qlld they have not been they come Mr. Speaker: So far as the Oppo- Present here, but when been allowed to sition groups are concerned, there is back they have there was no question of no difficulty at all becaUSe the time speak; and the eye of the Speaker also is divided und apportioned to them. catching Allotment of time is made to them, in their case. they choose their OWn speakers and send in only that name. Therefore, Mr. Speaker: That might have hail- lIere there is no difficulty at aU. pened, but 1 have said that we shall try to follow this. Shri Sham Lal Sarat (Jammu and Kashmir): But they also leave the House ...

Mr. Speaker: That is right. It is 13.01 hrs. correct that as soon as a Member DEMANDS FOR G~OfItd. completes his speech, he just loes and does away. He is not concerned AND BROAD- in listening to the MINISTRY OF lNFolUllIATlON not feel interested cASTING-COntd. reply at all. That is not fair. A after he has Member should be here Mr. Speaker: Now, we shall take made his speech. up further discussion and voting on the Demands for Grants relating to Dwtved;r: We ShrlSureruJraDath the Ministry of Information and We always there for the reply. D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B.

[Mr. Speaker] Now, I would say a word about the Broadcasting. Shri Hem Barua might staff artistes. As Shrimati Indira. resume his speech now. He hfid Gandhi would agree, the staff artistes· already taken 10 minutes yesterday. are the backbone of the All India Radio, but for their contributions, thE' Shri SurendraDath Owivedy (Kenu- Ail India Radio cannot function even .tapara): Yesterday, he came to the for a day. But what is the treatment . rescue of the House. meted out ·by our Government to the staff artistes of the All India Radio? Shri Bari Vishnu Kamath (Hoshan- The staff artistes are treated almost gabad) : 'l'h~ House would Ira"oe been like pariahs without any security of adjourned i! he had not spoken yes- service or anythi.ng of th·at sort. I do terday. not understand why Government can- not absorb the staff artistes into the Shri Hem Barna (Gauhati): I volun- permanent cadres of service? Can teered to speak. you tell me of any democracy in. which its citizens are treated as our Shri WariOr (Trichur): I have to Government are treating the staff make one request to you. Yesterday, artistes today? No country has ever we were not able to move cut our done such a thing, and I would say motions. I hope you may kindly be that this is a ;fraud on human con- pleased to allow Us to move those cut science. I hope and trust that motions now. Shrimati Indiil"a Gandhi who has- imbibed and inherited so many ster- Mr. Speaker: The !hon. Member may ling qualities of her father will do kindly send me the chit indicating the everything possible in her power to numbers of those cut motions. and I reverse this sorry scheme of things shall treat them as moved. entirely. Shri Hem Barna: Yesterday, I said that I did not want the All India Radio to be a glorified institution of insipid Government have appointed the programmes, for no other medium Ashok Chanda Commi.ttee on broad- reaches the people as it does. I wanted casting. But I would say that this is the All India Radio to be a living insti- not enough. They should appoint it tution, not a moribund one, One capable commissiOn of inquiry, just as they of stimulating the creative impulses of appointed one for the press, and OUr people into significant responses. another for the films some years back, But has it been able to do so? It has to enquire into the working of the All not been able to do so. And why? It India Radio, not to witch-hunt but to is becaUSe the All India Radio is a suggest measures towards the improve_ mouthpiece of the Government wedded ment of its workiong. I am quite con- to the stereotyped principles of mana- vinced in my mind that if the AU gement and control, and because it is India Radio is converted into a corpo- bureaucracy-oriented and not mass- ration or it is converted into an oriented. I would say that there should institution like the BBC wi,th a similar be a greater variety of programmes measure of initiative and indepen- or there should be more of regional dence, much of the bureaucratic . programmes, because our country is malady which plagues the All India vast. But is that possible unless a Radio today will go. May I point out certain measure of independence and that year in and year out this sugges- initiative ioS given to the directors of tioon to convert AIR into a corporation .. the regional stations, which the All has been made on the floor of this' India Radio is not giving at present? House, and year in and year out OUT' It would not .be possible without that Government have brushed this (IUAeII- measure of initiati.ve and independence tion without any plausible argumeDt given to the station directors of the whatsoever to 'buttress their rejection ~gional st;ltions. of the suggestion? . D.G~Min. 9fAITRA 18, 188'1 (SAKA) of T. & B.

Shri Khadllkar (Khed): For good one news agency. All I feel that the reasons. UN! is coming up, I would request the hon. Minister to see that more Shri Rem. Baraa: What are the good facilities and more flnancial assistance reasons? are offered to this organisation or at least as much as is offered to other :Shri Kbadjlkpr: I shall tell my hon. news agencies in this country for' friend later 011. India is a vast country and the d~mand for news is growing every day. Shri Rem. Baraa: The only reason is this, and I can tell this to my hon. friend just now. This deepens the suspicion in me, that Government do Comi;ng to the press, I would say not want to convert AIR into a cor- that when our Five Year Plans poration, because Government do not embrace everything under the sun want to lose their control over AIR. from steel to child-birth, unfortunately That is the only reason and there can enough, the Indian press has the be no other reason. When they say unique distinction of not finding a that if it -becomes a corporation, place in any of the country's Five Parliament will lose its control over Year Plans. Whenever there is i,t, it is not so, because we have so foreign exchange difficulty, it is the many other corporations about which Indian press that is singled out to questions are raised: on the floor of bear most of the brunt. And what is this House and Government answer happening as a result of it? I would those qUE!$tions. Therefore, that argu_ tell you that quite a few of our news- ment does not hold good. papers are today facing the imminent threat of closure, and that too at this Dr. Banen Sen (Calcutta East): It critical juncture of our d~ocracy, is a Government monopoly altogether. and critical juncture of our develop- Shri Rem. Baraa: It is a Govern- ment. Why is that so, and why has it ment monopoly. That is what I have been so? The question can -be asked said. It js the mouthpiece of Govern- pertinently like this. It is because ment, wedded to the stereotyped prin- the restrictions that our Government ciples of Government control and imposed on newsprint import in July, management. I have already said that. 1962 still continue and they are having a crippling effect on the industry as Sir, I came from a border area. a whole. Our democracy is develop- But what do I find about the achieve- ing, and because of the Chinese ments of the Ministry, so far as aggression. and because of the vast broadcasting is concerned, in the constructi.on plans and works under- border areas? I would suggest that taken in this country, our people are transmissions in the border areas hungering more and mor~"10r news. should be strengthened forthwith in At a time like this when our people order to counteract the mischief of the are hungering for more and more Chinese; the Chinese in the border of news, because of these exigencies, areas are regularly beaming their because of literacy spreading all over broadcasts and by repetition, I am the country and because of education afraid, these broadcasts might have spreading all over the country, we an impact on the mind of the people. find that the size of the newspaper is This mischief has to be rooted out, forced to be maintained at the level and, therefore, I would urge that of 1957, because of the Government Government should strengtIlen the pOliocy of restrictions imposed on news- tr~:ons on the border areas. print import. Just think of it. And what is happer.ing today in the COlIn- India is a vast COUlltry', and in a vast try? The situation is deteriorating country like this we need more th,an every day. During 1962-63, tbt' impnrt D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 0/1. & B.

[Shri Hem Barua.] .of newsprint slumped from 124,000 vileges of government service, the Jonnes to 99,000 tonnes. Then it fur- amenities secured to government ser- .ther slumped from 99,000 tonnes in vices. They have formed their asso- 1963-64 to 96,000 tons. This is the ciation. It is a pity that on the one ;position today in the country. 1 say hand you deny them the prfvileges ,·this must not happen, and that is and rights of government servants -why I ask the Minister to re-examine because they are not govermnent ~the entire policy concerning import of servants, according to you; and on the newsprint according to the demands other, you do not recognise the asso- of our democracY, and also to re-exa- ciation of staff artistes, because y<:lU ·mine the likely foreign exchange m- do not want to. This is the anomalous ·.volvement in the whole operation. position in the country. This anoma- lous position should go.

My OWn Iillformation is that an About language, I would make a additional allotment of Rs. 2 crores very humble suggestion. In Israel, annually for another two or three where they have accepted Hebrew as years would help the papers not only the national language, I found their to maintain their existing circulation radio station called Kol-Israel broad- levels but also to provide a reasonable casting news in easy Hebrew. I would margin for growth. If it is so, why like our All India Radio also to broad- is it that 'our Government cannot take cast news bulletins in easy Hindi. Or care of it? I hope and trust that else 1t would be difficult to spread the -ShrimaU Indira Gandhi would bring language, and without spreading the some new thinking into the problem language or generating affection for and try to resolve it with sympathy that language, if the language is and according to the demands and superimposed on the people, the reac- interest .of our national needs. tion naturally would be very violent, as we have witnessed today in differ- Now, there is an organisation called ent parts of the country. PIB. I do not know what it does except doling out a rich repast of the Mr, Speaker: Cut motion Nos. 22 to dull, drab and dry speeches of the 44 to the Demands for Grants in res- Ministers and Deputy Ministers for pect of MiniStry of Information and consumption by the people, by the Broadcasting may also be moved. · public. That much it does. Shri K. K. Warior: I beg to move:

But it does another thing very "That the Demand under the actively. head 'Ministry of Information and Broadcasting' be reduced by Us. 100." [N eed to imp-rove the working of the A.I.R. (22)] Shri Hem Barua: There are instan- -ces of its officers actively canvas- "That the Demand under the sing pressmen even in the Parliament head 'Ministry of Information and Press Gallery not to publish certain Broadcasting' be reduced by proceedings of this House,-those Rs. 100." proceedings might belong to the Opposition, whatever that may be. [Need to come to a final decision re- . · That is a thing they do very actively, garding the strengthening of AJ.R. and there are instances of it. with super-power transmitter. (23)] ''That the Demand under the Coming back to the All India Radio, head 'Ministry of Information and -1 want to say a few words about the. Broadcasting' 'be reduced by staff artistes who are denied the pri- Rs. 100." \8471 D.G.-Min. CHAITR.A. 18, 1887 (SAKA) oj I. & B.

(Need to improoe the 8~e condi- [Need to allow more newsprint to tiOll8 oj A.I.R. Engineering staff. language papers. (31) ] (24)] "That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and "That the Demand under the Broadcasting'be redt:Ced by head 'Ministry of Information and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to give more encouragement to students to get training in the Film ,iNeed to eliminate frequmt frictions Institute of India. (32)] bet1Deen field stat! and management. (25)] ''That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and "That the Demand under the Broadcasting' be reduced by head 'Minli;try of lnformation and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." [Need to aLlot more time jor Parlia- ment and State Legislarures in AJ.R. 1Need to better the working conditiona broadcasts. (33)] oj A.I.R. stat!. (26)] "That the Demand under the 'That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and ~ead 'Ministry of Information and Broadcasting' be reduced by Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." Rs. 100." to improoe the service condi- to extend installation allowances [Need :[Need of stat! artistes and casual to A.I.R. stat!. (27)] tions artistes. (34)] "That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and ''That the Demand under the Broadcasting' be reduced by head 'Ministry of Information and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." [N eed to give more advertisements to language papers. (28)] [Need to improve the quality of news commentaries of A.I.R. (35) "That the Demand under the Information and head 'Ministry of ''That the Demand under the be reduced by Broadcasting' head 'Ministry of Information and Rs. 100." Broadcasting' be reduced by IN eed to reduce the space hired in Rs. 100." advertise- English newspapers for progress to purchase a 1.000 Departments (Slow ments of Government K.W. transmitter from the Soviet (29) ] and autonomous bodies. Union. (36)] under the "That the Demand ''That the Demand under the and bead 'Ministry of Information head 'Ministry of Information and be reduced by Broadcasting' Broadcasting' be reduced by Rs. 100." Rs. 100." aLlotted jor [Need to take steps to nationalise the [Failure to utilise funds Press Trust of India. (30)] development plans. (37)] Demand under the "That the Demand under the ''That the of Information and head 'Ministry of Information and head 'Ministry be reduced by BrOadcasting' 'be reduced by Broadcasting' Rs. 100." Rs. 100." D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B.

[Shri K. K. Warior] These cut motions are not before th~ [Need to rep~e the present trans- House. mitter at Trichtlr Station by a high power transmitter. (38) ] ~ ~ ~ ('fG-IT) ''That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and 'IW-m~,~~rn~ Broadcasting' 'be reduced by it; ~ if; ~ '\(lIi fur;wr f.m' Rs. 100." ~ fiI; tffi: tffi: '~ rn ~<:' iI>T {Need to have phased programme to ~fm\lT~~~if;~ eStablish a nation-wide te1evisioTl ~q~l1f ~'R~ network within the period of the Fourth Plan. (39)] ~~~w:rr~$~~­ f'fIcI'iT ~ ~ ~ I ~ "That the Demand under the mw merifi head 'Ministry of Information and lI''fI''l:: 'fiT ~T ~ 'IT fiI; ~ ~ W!t Broadcasting' he reduced by ~if;~~~ Rs. 100." 'fiT, ~ ~ ,fUr ~ ~ 'fiT [Need to give facilities to Opposition ~~~~'IT'n:T~~ PaTties in Parliament to broadcast ~if;~~lTIlT 'IT I q@ especially when Parliamentary elec- tions are on. ( 40) ] ii@'; ~~~~~m~ ~~~~~~l:fR~~ ''That the Demand under the head 'Ministry of Information and "') ~ ~ ~, ~ 'ifI;f rn Broadcasting' 'be reduced by ~';;f~~~~rn Rs. 100." ~ ~ if ~ 'f'T W 1'Ul;1!' [Need to improve the standard of ~ I '1><'10: ~ if; fim' *' 'R~­ broadcast talks. (41) ] ;ftfu if; ~ if q mRr ~ if; "That the Demand unde~ the o if ~ 'fiT ~ flfiT f~ ~ head 'Ministry of Information and 1:(G1f lf1ff ~ ~ 'fT ~ ;r@' I ~ Broadcasting' be reduced by ~ ~ 'ifI;f ~ ~ ~ ;;ft Rs. 100." r..; F«r rn iJ.OT ~ ~ Ilrefq; ~ [Need to produce cheap radio tran~­ ~~~~~~if.m: mittel' sets. (42)] ~ if f'lffi srm: ~. f.t;W ~ I Broadcasting' he reduced by ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Rs. 100." it ;r@' fiI; fuwr it ~'I111f~~~ I ~W~ [Need to expedite the work of the ~ ~ ;;ft ~ ~ lR+'Rf 'I't .m: Evaluation Committee Bet-up to inquire into the working of AI.N. ~ ~ ~ ~ Iff 7~~1i ! J! ~ii ~ 1 !! [ "" d ;~{;~i&i'~~hi:'~~{~~!i~ ~i'1O lQ ! I; ~It f ~~_ t~,t ~1~ ~~ i ,~~:~,c t lr'~ ~a H! i ! j", ! t. U ~ ~ ~ fP' ~~ (l!£/~ ! r~· ~i' l -15~ tit; ~~ ~ ~ I :g,! 15W 'i !' ~ -1;"r; Ii- ;; &" ~{;~htH,,~:~ L~h::::.i H ~~~pHi';i:i'i~:;:~ .~! ~! ~~ 1§ ~ ~ar ~ fi; t 1iY W Ii ~g ~.[ I;:~ ! ~ tit; I;: .~.r; ~ i ~$ 1[; It' &: ~~ hr! ~t ~I~ ! & ~ I;: t ~

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[>.if'. 11" 0 <'110 fu:~T] kingdom where monarchs come, take posseS,lOn and rule that little kingdom ~:~~ For the Ia:;t thirty years the public of this country wanted to know what <1; ~ ~ '\" ~, eft ~ ~ ~ ~ is happening in the All India Radio ~~ '+f.IifT~i, i1iIPT· >i" f\?~: ~ r<'fT and the Information and Broadcasting Minis'ry. We have been deprived of ~ ~'I'~ ~l1"1f f~"3f~:orl '{f.rc R<'<'f: that valuable information. We want- "Ii. 'tim 'f;(. I ed to know the .plight of the people who work there, what is the income ~~:~~9'IT and expenditure 0'[ this department, ~~~tfIn~1 what are the developments that are taking place. But besides the reports .-n 11" 0 "" 0 fPiI" : ~lore that he has present- hope that the present Minister will Dot ed a very sorry tale of the A.I.R. 1 take alIenee at my remarks. shall read some extracts about it so The history of shortcoming;; and that it will give the correct picture of sufferings of the All India Radio is the department as it wa 0 run so far. due to the failure of planning and ad- mhistration of Ministers who handled "It is a sad s 'ory of the dete- this department in the most dictatorial rioration of a once-proud profes- fashion. There is one department in sional organisation, of bad plan- this democracy which functions in a ning, of the personal whims of ig- a man'ler which reminds of a small norant, arrogant and interfering D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B.

ministers and Diredors-General For that reason you should make a with pretensions to culture, of

[Shri Solanki) turn to Radio Ceylon. Our Hmdi this? There are other controversial programme for the3e people is not at subjects where a different view could all popular. These people keep on be presented justifiably. asking us for more Gujarati pro~am­ me and they have been ""Tiling to us Coming to the external services of also saying that the pl'l'grammes the AIR, I would like to draw the should be increased in Gujarati and Minister's urgent attention to one pro- decreased in Hindi. Our aim should blem. In the Kutch border, there is be to attract more listener.> to our no transmitter working today. The programmes. If we want t() attract time that will be taken to provide one the inteJligent there, we have to is said to be five years. In five years' giVe them popular programnlcs in time, Kutch will be overrun by Pakis- Gujarati. The present position is, tani propaganda. If nothing is done Hindi progammes are giv<,a lilore time immediately, there is that danger. and Gujarati programme" are g,,:ting That is why we have to erect a power- less time. This ;:hould !:Ie reversed. In ful radio station there. There were fact, Hindi programmes may ""en be no transmitters in most of our border discontinued and more time should areas and during Dr. Kesklll"s time be given to Gujarati programmes be- they removed the one that was there cause of this fact that 85% of the in Assam. They have had to install it Indian population there is GUJarati- again now; there was thus a lot of speaking. waste of time and m"ney. I do not know what will happen in the next There are External Services broad- five years if Kutch is not cared for eacts in English, French and many from this point of view. A lot of Guja- other languages which h&ve been rati population is residing there and given in the Report. We are also Pakistan radio broadcasts Gujarati fortunate in having large audience programmes and they are having quite abroad. But we want to re'ease the a good audience. Pakistan is fully same English programme, which we exploiting thi' position and the whole- relay to England, in African c()untries Gujarati culture of Memons, Khojas also. The population ther£' Dlay be and Nohras had come und"r the pro- able to understand English. But cul- paganda influence of Pakistan. turally and socially they are not in- Pakistan transmitters are so power- terested in the same programmes ful that their broadcasts are as power- which are relayed to Britain. Simi- ful as our broadca3ts from Ahmadabad larly, it is not necessary to release the or Rajkot in my State. Unless we Same French programmes In Africa coun·eract this, 1 am afraid we are which we release in France. losing a large number of audience and they will always be under the in- fluence of the propaganda of Pakistan. Sbri .Joachim. Alva (Kanara): The most important thing is, we have to In East Africa, 85% of the Indian counteract the chinese propaganda In popullation. there is Gujarati-spea- Africa. king-85% is from Gujarat. What is the manner in whi-ch the External Service, broadcasting is done-DO Shrl Sohi.DkI: Our aim should be to minutes of Hindi programme and 41 cater to the needs of Alrican audience minutes of Gujarati programme. Naw and We should attract larger audieIUlt! Hindi is the national language and we abrOad to OUr programmes. ThIs want to give importance to the nation- should be OUr criteria. There Is one al language. But we cannot create more point about the news releases in interest for these- Hindi programmes Gujarati. One set of news is released in these people. They just don't listen from Delhi and another set of news tothe Hindi programme and they comes from Bombay. ~495 D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of 1. & B.

comes low. We should also adopt "Ii '1(0 t'l"fo 'i"),,tr (~'n): ft"ofl some such procedure. No middle class 'fn:l!if(lEIr" ~\iqm~ti~ ~ ~I family can afford to have a set costing Rs. 1,500; leaving alone the Television set, they cannot even afford a Radio Shri Solanltl: This news release set. from Bombay in Gujarati is sent by telephones and the trunk call biTI5 Shrimati Yashoda Reddy (Kurnool): for that comes to about "Its. 2 lail:bs How many middle class people can every month. This is waste of money. go abroad? Besides, the news release from Bom- bay contains items of local importance Shri SoIaDki: We should try to re- in the State of Maharashtra in which mOVe the scarcity of receiving sets. A the Gujaratis abroad have no interest. person who goes abroad should be al- If the transmitter in Delhi can broad- lowed to bring a receiving set as his east both the news releases this un- personal belonging, which would re- necessary expenditure of Rs. 2 lakhs dUce the C03t also to a considerable ex- eould be saved. This should be at- tent. tended to immediately. Coming now to staff artistes, I have ,to read ,one extract from the book of Coming to Television service, this is Mr. Awasthy. a very important media and the "Worst of all is the case of the masses of our illiterate population can staff artistes who haVe earned benefit much through thi3 media. But neither wealth nor prestige nor it should not be at the cost of public even a pension for their old age. money. We cannot afford to tax our To them have fallen the crumbs people any more for this purpose. 'from the bureaucrats' tables and Television project is going to cost a on these they have been Expected lot of money and all that money should to build their happiness." come from commercial firms and through foreign assistance, which, I Mr. Hem Ba,rua in his speech gave a think, the Government i3 contempla- very pathetic picture about them and ting to get from Germany. If it suc- I have all sympathy for these people -ceeds, it is all right; otherwise, we who are doing a splendid service for -can keep on trying for foreign assis- All India Radio. Some of them are tance for this field of development. We employed there for the last 25 years, should invest only foreiJln money in but upto this day nobody has cared to this field or we shOUld get assistance look into their service conditions. They trom commercial firms. We should were given low wages and they con- not at any cost tax our people for this tinued to serve there because they had -purpose. no other place to turn to. They had no other alternative chances anywhere else. Many of the good artistes who We have another problem algoln went away are doing well now. But this television service. We have not most of them are handicapped because -got enough rr. cc;ving set:.' A receiv- they cannot find any better jobs and ing set costs not less than Rs. 1,500 they are carrying on. They were not here. But in Pakistan and in various given any benefits which the Govern- other countries, a receiving set costs ment servants were getting. ,The ()Jlly Rs.!IOO. In Pakistan they have present Minister has taken up this adopted a system by which any per- question and something is bein2 done son going abroad can bring in a tele- to them. Instead of giving them 5- vision set and he is not taxed on that. year contracts, we could adopt a 'Be can bring Ii set a3 his personal be- scheme which would giVe them pen- Jonging without any tax. This means sionary beneftts on the scale of Gov- 'that' the cost of the receiving set be- errunent aervants. At preaent th.eT D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B.

[Shri Solanki] existence depends on advertisements. are emp:oyed in the All India Radio We should allow them to carryon for 25 years, but still they are not en- with their work. The newsprint re3- titled to pensionary benefits. The triction must go. We must do ov.c argument PUt forwi:\rd by the Depart- best to help the newspapers to get the- ment is, if they lose their voice after quotas, and there should be no restric- 4, or 5 years, they become usele~s and tion. We should take newsprint on how can they be given the pensionary the same level as we deai with the· benefits. That is no argwnent. There fOod problem. This is food for thought art> many artistes working for 25 years. that the newspapers are giving us. They have not lost their voice and still Just as food is fOr the stomach, the they are doing well. newspapers are fOOd fOr thought and hence they are equally important for SI1M Jlaji: If they lose their voice, it our masses and for our democracy. is a professional loss and they should Sufficient newsprit should be given to be compensated under Workmen's the newspapers and they "hould be al- Compensation Act. lowed to survive. Shri Tbirumala Rao (Kakinadal: 14 hrs. Their voice could be insured. An hon. Member It is a matter Gf shri Solanki: I am happy that the finance also. present Minister is trying to improve Shri Solanki: Then I come to the their lot. I wish her all success and film festival which I call the Fiasco I am sure she will receive splendid Festival. Here, I should like to draw co-operation from the department. I the attention of the non. ).l:inister to hope there will be definite improve- what has been said in the report at ment in their lot. page 18. It is stated as follows: Coming to advertisements and thl' It was felt that it would be in- newsprint, many Members have stres- appropriate to hold the Radio sed the importance of newspapers in Sangeet Sammelen at a time of this country. The news papers are widespread distress caused by serving this democracy and we should floods and shortage of essential do OUr best to help them. We haY!. commodities." to look into the advertisement rules This Sangeet Sammelan would have and the newsprint restrictions. I am cost just Rs, 10,000. But this Sangeet glad that the advertiscmcn t rules Sammelan would also have culturally have been withdrawn. But the In- given a sort of gift to the country. It formation and Broadcasting Minister w'luld h~'"c helped the integration of may have to be very carefUl that some the country on the cultural ground. news mea·sures are not introduced and But this Sammelan was not held be- some modified rules are not brought cause of thb crisis. Yet, in the same in which will again take away the year, we held the international film fr~edom of the small journals. If the festival-the fiasco of 3 festival---cost- advertisement rules are re-imposed, ing Rs. 13 lakhs. On the one side, th.ere the small journals will have been was the consideration of Rs. 10,000. linished. This should not be done. On the other side, we spent Rs. 13" If the industrialists Or the people of lilkhs and still we did notget any this country who are dOing business restige, but only a lot of criticism. Want to sell their gOOds through ad- vertisement, they should be free to do An hon. Member: It was an inter- it. In 'tact, we should start a com- national 'festival. mercial service like Rlldio Ceylon, Shri Solanki: It was an inteI4;- because that would help these p'ople national 'festival but we have gained to push up their sales. . So, there may criticism at inte'rnational level. . The be no re!lti'Ictions on newspaper, re- intematidnal film festival was a ftasCo. cel.'\ringllieiradvertiseml!l1ts and es- It was a fiasco because.!Ilanr ticket- 'pecially small journals whOSe very holders, including even Memoers or D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B. 8500

Parliament, who went to see certain When newspapermen are selected to shows had to return. Some of them visit certain areas, we are forgetting even received beating. In the Vigyan one thing. Suppose a newspaperman Bhavan, incident where a show was comes from that area, he must also be held a cocktail party was thrown in included in that team. The journalist the evening and everything was buri- who belongs to the area must accom- ed. It was an incident in the Vigyan pany the group. The others might Bhavan and this incident was buried. get things through the information ot But nabody -can forget it, at least those the Government, but the man on the people who have had the experience spot. the man who belongs to that area of it. would know much more about that area, and through local publicity and An hon. Member: Did vhe hon. local papers he could write much more Member get a beating? (lnteTTUpNon) about those areas and give publicity and education to the masses. Th~re_ fore, when the tours are plan- Shri Solanki: Then, I well remem- ned, they shauld not forget that ber that a documentary film was made some journalists who corne from of this film festival, and I still remem- the very area should also be :included ber, when it was shown in the audi- in that group which tours the area. In torium, the scene came where the that way, they will ·benefit and also Briti:h delegate thanked the Govern- give their knowledge and experience ment officials for having done a splen- to the ·peOPle. did job. Believe me, everybody started laughing. The entire audience On the whole, after the coming of' roared with laughter, because there the new Minister. many things !lIe was a sarcasm, not from the British beginning to change. I wish her well, delegate ·but those who must have ex- and I would like to say that she must perienced the difficultie3 and the fail- always keep in mind that this admi- ure of the festival could not fO"get, nistration still has not lost its old and they started laughing. This habits and it will be a very tough festival had cost us so much money, job to remove those old habits. For and the Slangeet Sammelan which that, she will have to be very, very would have cost us a little, wa3 dis- careful. She must keep her ears carded. cannot understand it. The I closed, and eyes open, not listen to Sammelan would have cost us only any gossip or anything, and try to· Rs. 10,000, but We would have bene- achieve most of the things from her fited lot it. a from personal knowledge, be an expert in tru. department, and only through Then I wish to refer to the PIB, to that she can remove these faults and which Shri Hem Baroa also reterred. mistakes and make the AIR a real, I have got to say something about the contributory orgarusation in this pm. The functions of the PIB in res- country. pect of pressmen and publicity are sometimes of the nature which give Shri A. N. Vi~ar (Hoshiar- personal praise and personal publicity pur): Sir, the whole HOuse would t() the Ministers. There is nothing welcome the budget demand present- real a.bout it. In many cases there ed by the new Minister, Shrimati are instances where they are giving Indira Gandhi '\Vhich happens to be hand-outs whlCh are useful, but most her 1IrS( budget demand, and the· at the time, the news given is such whole Rouse will wish her suceeas_ that it only mentions so and so,so This department is most impOrt8nt lind SO Mirtister, and gives a f,"w depiu'tnient. SO far, this departri)eht headlines. This should not be the haa been.. treated as. a second-class ease. They should give neWII which h departt:nent, ~c:a:use, . this is t'he:l!riJt U3eful. time .a~ter a long time When a ttiIl- B. D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 oj 1. &

infor- [Shri A. N. Vidyalankarl is merely meant for imparting like mation. I think 'that in a country Cabinet Minister has taken own fledged ours, the Government should of the department. Earlier- should charge the whole publicity and they they conduct the publicity work and hon. Member: What about Shri for? An should manage publicity: what Satya Narayan Sinha? and It is in order to create a climate feeling in our country. Yes; he a national ""'Shri A. N. Vidyalankar: are so many problems. We have Minister. Thank There was also a Cabinet a national climate on certain But his ten- to create you for the correction. I do not mean to say that was shortlived, I matter~. ure in this Ministry publiCity should deal with controver- waiting for the im- par- think. We are sial matters over which various dynamic personality of and print of the tieS mIght have different views the administration of are the Minister on different outlook. But there I know that she which this department. certain fundamental things for and vigour and ana- has the earnestness we have to create a climate many things. She th~t our she wants to change tional climare, and I feel and the Whole climate. wants improvemen\ publicity should create that behind her in improv- the peo- House will be The purpose should be that lng matters. should be properly educated, pro- ple be perly tnformed and they should particip3te of persuaded to take par! and 1 feel the mere appointment develom""l, not actively in the national and committees will present, comm"ssions They should feel inspired. At much. Sometimes we suffer from ,ueh as help our whole publicity should be sense of complacency because say .a fa:se to inspire the people. I cannot appointment of comnusslDns. is of the that at present, whatever publicity to await reports and advice n'eed. We begin being made, it fulfils the whole commissions and in the mean- be <>f the Therefore, our purpose should we cannot make much improve- i3 while very clear. When the purpose So far, two committees have is the ment. clear, when we know what Two are still to report so we are reported. object, and the people whom know, and one commission At pre- far as I addressing, it becomes easier. started its work. would some has just ~ent, the publicity goes on, and the Minister and the Gov- made, request Improvement has recently been that they should not wait is ·such -ernment but sometimes our publicity of th,,'e committees be- fur the report that everything is just broadcast, are many fields where and 1:ause there without much purpose, Papers is urgently needed. I out just improvement printing material are thrown are very few matters and feel that there indiscriminately in every village you need an expert opinion not be on which to every person. This shauld start any new line. There- the before you so. Every time we should know that where the things are is fore. I think target as to whom the publicity we konw where improve- people, apparent, directed, to which class Of these things should educa'ted ment is needed, workers or peasants; or Then be taken up. classes or uneducated classes. At needs we should know the technique. I feel that the department various media units FirS't of all, present there are .a lot of streamlining. their working. The Di- and perfectly under- and I admire we should know of various media uriits are purpose of govern- rectors stand what is the men. They are earnest aM not one of competent $ent publicity. I difficulty they are the principles also. But the those who just follow is that these media counlrles: suftering from .adopted in certain other planning and cen- do any units lack central that government should not should be S~ publicity tral direction. There poolicity or the government D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B. 8504

-co-ordination among the departments Mention has been made about tele- and there should 'be co-ordination bet.. ViSIon. It is generally stated that ween the Central publicity and State te levision is a very costly affair. Re- publicity. At present there is no cently I had been in England and I -such coordination between State pub- discussed with some of those who are licity and Central publicity. Publi- managing television. I also gat an city means that Government are 3D- impression that television is a very proaching the people and therefo~e costly affair. perhaps beyond our publicity should be done well. It capacity. Thereafter I visited Eg;;pt should be properly organised. It and there I was told that they have ,should be organised in the form of a taken up television and they are popu- campaign on certain national issues. larising it. Theq are manufacturing If we have io organise it in the form cheap sets and they told me certain uf a campaign. there should be the things which I have no time to go in- {'lement of simultaneity. There is to. They promised me to give :lie no simultaneity now. One media some facts which I could not get be- un't is taking up one topic; the dther cause I came earlier. I want to zug- media unit is taking up another gest that the question as to how UAR topic; the third unit is taking up yet is orgamsmg television and how another 'iopic. That is why I say that cheaply they are getting television central planning is necessary. You sets manufactured should be properly take up a topic which is uppermost examined. in the minds of the people or a topic to which people's attention has to be drown. Then the whole media units should take u pthat question. They We are noW distributing commu- should act and organise the publicity nity radio sets because we want. to in the form of a campaign. That is popularise raddo. On the other hand, why I say that Central planning is we have imposed a heavy licence fee very much need'ed. There should on radio sets. This appears to be very bel !JOme

There is a suggestion and I have Then there should be periodical listened to certain whispers that we ·evaluatlon to find out the impact the should start televis'on on a commer- publicity is making. Periodical evalu- cial scale. Also there have been sug- tion is very necessary. Since the gestions that All India Radio should time at my disposal is short, r should introduce commercial element in R not go into this very much in detail. I am very much opposed to the com- 'Having made these general observa- mercial element . being introduced, tions, I will now take uP a few points specially in our country. Even in to which I wish to draw the Minister's England the BOC has always resisted attent'on as well as that of the this move, they have been opposinl HOUse. in'trociuDtion of commercial element. D.G.-Mifl. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B.

[Shri A. N. Vidyalankar] One thing more I would. like to say The lTV the element of commercia- on this matter. There are already lisation had been introduced There proposals that SOme kind of training the authmities told clearly that be- institute should be 'there. In order caUSe of this commercial element to impart proper technique in the they had to look 'to those who adver- publiCity it is very necessary that an tised and not to the public. There- institu'te of training in the use of fore, the public interest suffers. I mass media should be established. At am, therefore, very much opposed to present in the field Publicity Organi- the introduction of commercial ele- satIOn, there are only 86 units. For the ment in this. whole country this is very made- qua'te. You cannot increase this num- With regard to films, I admire the ber because Of paucity of funds. But it you want mass pub~icity and if you way in which film festivals and other want your department and this Mi- activities were organised. 1 am not flistry to come in contact with me opposed to these. But I should say masses, it is very necessary that some that in films and in our publications kind of new administrative system in our literature,. newspapem, etc: should be evolved. The present sys- there is some kind of obscenity. It is tem is not adequate and it has not not sometimes, but it is increasing. I would like that jn order to protect worked well. Only with the co-ope- ration of the States you can evolve our morale and in order not to mis- a new system. The present system guide the young generation this ob- will not work and will not succeed. scenity should ·be avoided. Obscenity is not the art. If people say that in- crease of obscenity is increase in the ~~: art, it is a misunderstanding. It i. '" (ll'\fum) vulgarisation of art and it is anti- ~ ~~m~.r'l!1ml' thesis of art. 'I>'T 1\i1ft 'fiT ~"f rn ~ m ~ ~ 'R~ pr ~ I ~;;ft1ftlf>l',,¥~ In our country also this system of Chain-newspapers and monopolisa- ~ fit; ~ij' ~ ~ ft;rQ: ~ ~ ~ tion of press is increasing. In this fl:roiT ~ m 'R m't ~ 'I>'T mvrN wfr matter 1 should say that 'the Ministry f{~I"f~~~~~ should take action. Recently, in England the Labour Government has ~ ~ it q7<[ ~ ~ 'I>'T ~ft ~­ taken up this matter seriously. They i'f<1;~ ~~mU~l!lT are 'trY"ng to filld out methods how m~~T~~~W~ to check this tendency. I think this matter should also be taken into ~ fl1<'ff ~ ;m ~ l''lTm~fit;~~~~ If>l'' Pl'I etc. should be na'tionalised. I do 'fIn.f11m~' 'fin ~ i/TllT~, I{l!>' ;;{ ~ '>f. time. In these matters we should take a national view. I know occa- m q1ft ~,·m ~ If>l' ~i=r 'fiT I{l!>' sions wilen even our late Prime Mi- ;pn ~ '6ft mtrr t: I nister's speeches and statements were black.edout

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~ B" ;;rmffi ~ ~ Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Very well, I mcl'lo lft will allow it as a special case, but it W'lit "'1"T ~J,frjT ~ will not be taken as a precedent for the future. if 'Wl" qT"fr 1ft ifm mi'r ~ ",T m m'f it. w.r.t W"IT ~ ~ I Amendment No. 56 by Shri Vish- ram Prasad will be taken as moved. 'Fg(f fu;if ~ ~ l I ~ iRf '!iT ~ ~ important position in our country and i:n'!i ij; ~ '!iT if w it ~­ in our life. After Independence pe0- m m: ple expected that this Ministry would \l1:'" ~ ~ ~ I ~~ ~ 100 rise up to the occasion and prove m.r '1ft Gifror 'fiT ~ T it lIt1r '!lUfT I will take up one by one, some of ~ l~if~ij;mqw1l'Of it 'Ii'fifT 56 ~ the ruling party. 'f>T'I>~r~ ~ ~ lJ.T "fT, 'liM" Shri C.K. Bhattacharyya (Raiganj); ;¢r ~T"fcr ~ 4"' '3'll 'l>1"'lT lJ.'{';[T Of the opposition party. ~T~I Dr. Rauen Sen: Very seldom in the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Hon. Mem- All India Radio will you find impor- bers must be here and give the indi- tant leaders of the oppositiOn party cation with'n the time. making any speeches; not because of the fact that the opposition parties are Shri Vishram Prasad: Some other reluctant to make their positions Member was allowed, 8hri Warior. clear through the Ali India Radio. but D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of L. & B.

[Dr. Ranen Sen] coday." and as a result of that the because of the fact that the All India whole programme is upset. Is that Radio has become the close preserve (he way? That is why I was sayint of the ruling party. What I say is that th is All India Radio should not this, that the All India Radio should be made 'the mouthpieCe of the Gov- ·be the mouthpiece of India, not only "rnment alone. the mouthpiece of the ruling party. Secondly, I wish to make it clear ·that some of the propaganda material I do not say that the All India ·~o.ed out by the Government of India Radio has no gOOd point about it. I . through the All India Radio is so ..cknow]edge it. But this criticism .stale, so preposterous, so unintelli- ;is meant to improve the functioning .gent-generally, I can speak on be- of the All India Radio. half of the people of Bengal-that as regards certain propaganda material aojed out through' the Calcutta sta- tion of the All India Radio, the peo- Here our House is connected with ple laugh at it. Take, for example, the All India Radio in many other certain propaganda about the inner ways also. One of the Members of this ·eonditions of China. India wants to House, the Maharajkumar of Vizia- fight China ideologically, politically .... nagram, popularly known as Vizzy, (Interruption) .... and militarily also. is a commentator on the '1.11 India Therefore, the propaganda that should Radio. He is doing it very well. be made through the All India Radio want to mention it here in order to should be very intelligent. The people stress the importance of the All India of India are not fools to believe cer- ftadio to the Members of this House. tain stories which depict the Chinese people. The quarrel is with the Chi- nese Government. Here Pandit One of ~he charges against the All .Jawaharlal Nehru had more than once India Radio is that it is a hot-bed at made it absolutely clear that the paUtics, favouritism and bureaucra- iight ;s not against 'the Chinese peo- tism. I will illustrate this point by against the Chinese Government. So stating the conditions and the treat- ~hen we hear such kind of propa- ment meted out to the staff artistes. canda through this radio, it sometimes Many han. Members here have spoken tlecomes very sickening. about the conditions of the staff .ortistes. I will mention a few. The Thirdly, in regard to the propa- paint is, there have been so many pnda, how is ;t made? The speech ~ommittees up till now, and the la- of the Home MinisLer, Mr. Nanda, was test committee is the Chanda Com- made through the radio, in English mittee-let us see what hapens there. end Hindi; and you know the resul't But it is an admitted fact that if ta- ~ that radio propaganda, what hap- lents are to grow, to thrive, if some vened in Kerala in the election. new innovations have to be made, the But what I want to know here is people who are working there should this: is the All India Radio meant for get certain facilities, certain incen- the Ministers and Deputy Ministers tives. But instead of that. what end Parliamentary Secretaries and We find in the All India Radio is that some big glUls of the Congress Party? there is an attempt on 'the part at tt is reported 'to us that in the course the bureaucracy to stifle all incentive 'Of the radio programme, all of a sud- and aU initiative. That is why I do den, the Parliamentary Affairs Mi- not like Mr. Hem BaTtla's idea of Ilister Or the Information and Broad- making it into a Corporation. What- casting Minister send a list to 'the ever control We nave today, the COD- programme makers that "these are tr01 thart: the Parliament has over th@ the ~P\e whQ are gain!: to speak All India Radio-it coati discuSs it if D.O.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of 1." B. am totally It goes over to a Corporation, then ceiling limits of their salaries have this control, this power to cheek this been reduced. That means, what you All India Radio or imProve its func- are giving with one hand you are tak- tioning will be minimised and lessen- ing away with the other hand. This is . ·ed. Therefore I am opposed to tha\ idea. an absurd position. This cannot take place. This is against the Jaw of the country. I can tell the hon. Minister SItri TbJrumaIa BaG: Is it your that it is against the law of the coun- point 'that it will go to the private try. You cannot reduce, minimise or .sector? curtal! any existing privilege of .m employee. If this is being done, then Dr. BaDen Sen: Let me go to staff the Ministry is going against the law artistes. Staff artiste in the All India of the country. Radio is a category which comprises of all types of employees under the All India Radio, starting from 'the Then there are programme B'taft. news readers and covering typists, They have been working for 15 to steno-tylpists, librarian and so on. I 20 years. What will happen to them? do not understand what is 'the scien- They remain temporary. They have tiilc meaning of this category, sta1! no permanent service. Shri So1anki artiste. The new Minister should try mentioned about pension scheme. to understand this; and I being a There is no pension scheme for them. member of the labour movement can Are 'they not government servants? tell her that there is a tendency to- Why should they not be treated as day to categorise employees accord- government servants? ing to the functions that they per- form in 'the course of their work. That is the most scientific basis, and I want to say a word about casual this scientific basis should be applied artistes. They are of two types. You 10 the AI! India Radio as weI!. can easily understand why the All India Radio cannot discharge its Sir, here ;s a department where functions properly. When people at the staff artistes have no perman~ncy the top of the administration, let us

[Dr. Ranen Sen] proper treatmen should be given to I hs,ve many points about these the employees on whom depend the well being, upkeep and improvement radio artistes, but I do not want to of the All India Radio. mentiOn all of them. One of the Mi- nisters has said that opportunities The last point tlhat I want to make for advancement should be made 'n regard to staff artistes is about available to the existing staff artistes their ·association. the recognition of aDd recruitment of outsiders reduced their association. It is a very serious to the minimum. This is not being thing. They say that one cannot be- adhered to. come a member of any association which is not recognised by the Gov- In regard to contracts, I am amaz- ernment and when they seek recog- ed to find that in the existing terms nition 'they are told that they will of the contract, clause (2) 01 the not be given the necessary recogni- contract says that the said staff artiste tion. They are fUlfilling all the condi- shall devote whole time to the ser- tions, but they are not given the re- vice required and aiall times obey cognition. This is an attack on the the rules including the conduct rules. fundamental right of the people Nowhere it is written as to for what guaranteed under our Constitution.. service he is being recruited. Secon- It is a very serious mat'ter. I am dly, clause 3 (f) says that the said bringing all these points to the notice staff artiste may be required without of the hon. Minister and also the any extra fee to render such services Deputy Minister so that these t',ing.< other 'than the service assigned to may be seriously looked into and pro- him under the contract. That means, per methods evolved to remedy the if he is a news reader he may be defects. asked to do something else also. It is a wonderful contract! I think it IS Coming hack to the propaganda high time that these contracts are side of the All India adio, sometimes revised and made more modern. it seems that the All India Radio has a policy of its own which is different Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. from the policy of the Government Member has two more minutes to of India, which is different from the conclude. policy of Ind'a. India is committed to the policy of non-alignment, peace, Dr. BaDen Sen: Sir, I have 27 anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism. minutes in all. I am getting the time This has been stated over and over allotted to the other group. again. Even in the last Cairo Confe- Shri Dlenen Bhattaebal'Ta (Seram- rence it has been stated. The otlher dlay. pore): Our time has been given to on the 4th April, there was a broad- him. cas't in English-it was on the night of 4th April-where that gentlemen Dr. RaDen Sen: 'lbey have put it or the lady, whoever it WIIB, more or in writing. BecaUSe I am speaking, less openly supported the gas warfare their representative is not speaking in Vietnam. I want the hon. Minis- on this. They haVe given their time ter to make an enquiry about it. Has t., me. the All India Radio any poUcy which contravenes the policy of the Govern- Mr. Deputy-Speaker: It will be ment of India or, as a matter of fact, difficult to "d,just the timings in that the policy of the country? Even in way. this House we have disCUSsed it and said that it is a bad thing. Nobody Dr. Banen Sen: Then, about the in the All India Radio had any engineering staff Of the All India business to support it. If he had any Radio, there is no arrangement for sneaking sympathy for the AmerJ.can rest room and there Is no allowance imperialists, he had no business to do for that. All 'that I want to say is that that over the All India Radio. D. G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of T. &< B.

Sir, the transmitter business has monpoly in the absence of any rival become a scandal. We have discus- organisation. Should it not be COlI- sed it So many times: It was openly trolled? The same applies to news- admitted that we are going to get the papers. There is a rec!YiIUIlend9tion transmitter from the Soviet Union be- of the Press Commission to this cause they are offering better terms effect. Not only that, recently by a than anybody else. It was reported resolution the Indian Federation of in more than one newspaper, not only Working Journalists has also reco- in Delhi or Calcutta but in many mmended that 'the monopolist tenden- other places also, that there are some cies in the newspaper industry should people higher up in the department be curbed. Government are silent who are trying to sabotage this pro- On this question and nobody seems posal of getting the transmitter from to know the reason. the Soviet Union. Therefore, it is high time that the Minister and the Deputy Minister took upon themselves Coming to advertising agencies, all these things and not come before there are small ad vertising agencie~ the Parliament later on and say that in India. There is one small adver- they did not know anything about tis'ng organsation in India called this. Clarion. It is going to ·be linked up About Press Information Depart- with Mis. McCann-Erickson Incor- ment I have one or two points to porated of America, which is one of make. It is reported-there is a Press the biggest monopoly advertising Information Officer of the Depart- agencies in the world. We know what ment-that this Department makes will happen when a smailer fry comes a discrimination between an English near a bigger one. The smaller fry is newspaper correspondent and an completely gobbled up by the bigger Indian language newspa!ler corres- one. Similarly, the small Indian pondent. If that is so, then it 1$ a 'ddvertising agency will be gob- national shame. bled by the big American monopoly agency. I haVe no grudge against English newspapers but all papers must be treated on par. I would request the Ministry to I now come to the news agencies. look into this affair and control the In other countries, news agencies are monopolies and protect the small ad- supported and backed (by Govern- vertising agencies. ment. Here in this country We mve got two news agencies, Pl'I and UN!. Coming to grants in aid to social Pl'I I'!et Rs. 12 lakhs a year from the welfare agencies, in the book that is India Radio. That is not enough All supplied to us there iR n staten"'nt or adequate; they should get more. that Eharat Sevak Samaj will get for But hoW much does get? One UN! their Jan Jagaran Vibhag Rs. 4,80,000. lakh rupees. It is better not to give The reports of the Public Accounts anything Tather than give one lakh Committee have more than once rupees. They cannot organise a mentioned that Bharat Sevak SamBj national service, not·to speak is misu

[Dr. Ranen Sen] of that how much has gone to the made to this organisation, the Minis- smaller organisations or bodies. Are try will be open to the charge of the smaller fry getting something or favouritism, as BSS does not enjoy not? Now everybody knows Shri any prestige, either in this House or . In Pakistan, 50,000 outs:ide. people waited in the queue to see one Of his films and tear gas had to be used to disperse the crowd in Coming to the Films Censor Board, Dacca. But when he first wanted to we have in this House referred to prOduce his film, Pather Panchali he certain films which are obscene or vul- had no money with him and he had gar which have been certified or to go from door to door. Dr. B. C. okayed by the Censor Board. In our Roy, the then Chief Minister of West State there is one film prepared by Bengal, gave him Rs. 1 lakh and with some people, called Ghum Bhanga- 'that he was able to 'bring that picture naer Gan. Our Minister knows Ben- out. Dr. Roy was able to perceive the gali and I am sure she knows about latent talent in him and assist him. that film. The meaning of the title But I 'think the Film Finance Cor- of the film is "song to rouse the "cople poration is giving financial assistance from slumber to awaken them". For only to a few people in Bombay who the last two years that film is being, have enough of their own money. shall I say, shelved by the Films Censor Board. When Mr. Sardou'l, the Coming to the Publications Divi- famous art and film critic and direc- sion, I find from this report that dur- tor-producer of France came here ing the emergency 29 pamphlets were and saw the film he immediately re- published in all languages and their cognised that it was a very goOd film total number was 34 lakhs. How many and he wanted to take it for parti- of them were sold? 2,70,000 copies. dpation in 'the Cannes Film Festival. In~Bengali there is a saying Gauri It is a scandal. When he came to Sen's money. Whatever money is re- know that this film had mrt been cer- quired, take it from the legendary tified by the Film Censor Board, he figure .... was surprised. The Film Censor Board appointed by the Government S~ri C. K. 8hattacharyya: Some of do not seem to know the merits and it has gone to Dr. Ranen Sen also. demerits of a film. What is this film about? It portrnys the lives of ordi- Dr. Ra.nen Sen: Ranen Sen did not nary people; also, there is some mild get Gauri sen's money. I want to criticism of Government. If that is know whether 'this is Gauri 'Sen's the reason for not approving it, then money. When you printed 34 lakh it should apply 'to the criticism made copies, did you not take into account by Congress Members also. Why the demand? Then, you did not even should ;t -apply only to this film and distribu'te the rest of the copies free. why shOUld it be proscribed? There- What is the idea? Your distribution fore, I say that the Film Censor organisation has thoroughly failed. Board has become a scandal. These are some very objectionable Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): features Of 'the working of this Minis- They shOUld be censured. rty. But, as I have said, by and large, I have no spirit of condemnation of the Ministry of Information and Dr. Ra.nen Sen: Lastly, coming to Broadcasting. No doubt, there are 'the Film Finance Corporation, all the some serious lapses in the adminis- finance corporations finance only the tration, in the functioning, in the rjch organisations. I want to know way things are being done and that how mu(;h money has been sanc- is why I am bringing them to the tioned by this corporation and out notice of the Minister, sO that both D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. &- B. the Minister and the Deputy Minis- 15 hrs. ter will look into these cases and try In this connection I would like 10 to rectify them as much as possible read out an extract from the Report and as early as possible, before grea- of the Ministry of Information and ter damage is done. Broadcasting. It reads;-

Shri ADsar Han-ani. (Bisauli); Mr. "A study of the ownership of Deputy-Speaker, I have always con- papers by the Press Registra c sidered the Ministry of Information showed that the general pat+.crn and Broadcasting as a very impor- continued to be the same as be- tant Ministry. After the dawn of fore." freedom, this Ministry was presided over by Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. But, That means, nothing was achiev- after the death of Sardar Vallabh- ed in this connection. It continues:- bhai Patel, thi3 Ministry fell on evil days and fOr a decade "Papers belonging 'to chains. the affaks of this Ministry were groups and multiple units com- in a complete' mess. I take this op- manded 24' 8 per cent of the portunity of congratulating the hon. total circulation of papers. 143 Prime Minister for his choice of the dailies controlled by theSe three present Minister. The present Minis- categories of common ownership ter has learnt her lessons at the feet, claimed 68' 55 per cent of the not only at the feet but in the bp of total circulat'on of dailies in the one of the greatest exponents of our country. The nine big English nation. Therefore, India has great hope dailies controlled by these three in her and, I am sure, that she will categories claimed 75' 8 per cent justify tb at hope. of the total circulation of all English dailies. Nine owners rep- Ever since she has come to this resenting four chains, three Ministry, she has done everything groups and two multiple units that is ever possible within the limit- published 43 dailie, and between ed time to streamline the affairs of them shared 41 per cent of the the Ministry. The aft'airs of the Minis- total circulation of all dailies." try have considerably improved. But I am not completely satisfied and I Sir, Indian democracy, Indian par- would wait for next year SO that I liamentary system is at ransom in may be able to give her more bou- the hands of these gangsters who own quets. these newspapers. It has got to be smashed if parliamentary democracy is to survive. We have seen the role It was this country which was lib- of these newspapers at the time of erated by Pandit Nehru; it was this the Chinese aggression. They had country where feudalism was sma- the audacity to publish cartoons and shed byPandit Nehru. Jawahar- ridicule even our great Prime Minis- lal Nehru was fighting against ter. It is time that the entire coun- capitalism also. Had he been alive for try should rise up against this mono- a longer time, he would have smash- pO'y of the press and I assure Shri- ed the press monopoly. It has fallen mati Indira Gandhi that she will have on the shoulders of his daughter that the full support of the people and she should fight the monopoly of the Parliament of this country in smash- press. I am sure that in the times yet ing these chains and ending the mono- to come she will be able to succeed poly of the press. It is time that the in that mission which was left un- M<>nopoly Commission shOUld i.e cn- fulfUlea iud unfinished .by her great -:rusted with the taSk of making a fatbe!'. thorough investigation into the m,mo- D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B.

[Shri Ansar Harvani] and have reorientation- by working in poly of the press and doing something India itself. Those information offi- about it. cers, who are posted in our embas- sies, who have completely lost touch While 'the press is completely con- with India and who sometimes come trolled by a gang Of big capitalists, for a brief period here, cannot func- the fate of the news agencies is not tion so ably and so justifiably a~ our better. There is the Press Trust of cadres of Indian Information Servic<' mdia. They call it the PTI although, people can do. I hope that the i'

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[>.tr 'fIVTlf~1f;T] and requirements of our parliamen- tary democracy. It has been pointed ~ 'fit ~ ~ ..". qm!l'liffi ~ I out time and again that the impact· of ~ "SRiR if if-Tif~~ ;f.t centres at these places should be very actiVe and create an atmosphere so l'fitif ~ ~~ 'fK(lT ~ I that whenever problems or issues 8hri 8ezhiyan (Perambalur): Mr. arise, we are able to present them in Deputy-Speaker. before I begin my proper perspective and OUr stand is speech I congratulate and welcome the appreciated. new Minister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi. 15.28 brS. Her appointment i~ a sincere attempt [SHRI KHADILKAR in the Chair] to bring in fresh wind in the stagnant There is no gOOd saying Satyameva backwaters of the Ministry of Infor- Jayate, truth will win. Of course. mation and Broadcasting. She has truth shou'd win then only it will been noted for her catholicity of out- have a chance to win. But the truth look, sincerity of pUI'pO,;e, end"avour should be madre known to the outside to understand the difficulties and world. In that respect, our publicity views of others and eagerness solve has been very unimaginative an:'! problems in a human way, however amateurish. This is the Ca1e not only unpalatable however difficult the with regard to ex:lemal publicity but problems may be. With her presence also in respect of internal publicity. in ,the Ministry, I hope the criticisms The blame for this has been correctly we have been voicing year aiter year apportioned by Members Who spoke will be looked into and the drawbacks before me also. If you go through the and deficiencies in the Ministry to report of the s1:udy team headed by which we have been drawing attention Mr. Vidyalankar, there i:; a pertinent will be removed soon. observation there Which is worth quoting: It t3 a welcome sign that she has appointed a committee to go into the "A comment freely and widely working of All India Radio. We made before us has been that ha,ve to await the report of the com- radio programmes have shown an mittee. All the same, we haVe to say undue concern for publicity to per- cettain things because the All India sonalities in Government and to Radio and other media of publicity departments of government ins- have to be attuned to the necessities tead of projecting achievemen-.:o D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B.

as national efforts in which the equal treatment, staff them and serve people have a luge share". them well

They also point out that 'the All India Similarly, you find that the language Radio has a moral obligation to serve units are being housed in decrepit as the voice of the people as much as parts, without any amenities or suffi- ,the mouthpiece of the Government'. cient accommodation. TIns is verT deplorable, Therefore, we have to See how far ihis has been effective not only as the Hindi news bulletins are broaacast mauthpiece of the Government but iour times a day, while in the other al'30 as thie mirror, reflection, of the languages, there are only three bulle- wish"" and aspirations (jf. the people. tins a day. Further, in the non-Hindi States one Hindi new" bulletin is being broadcast compulsorily, while in In Hus connection, I would point out the Hindi States nO broadcast is made to the Minister that more and more we in the other languages. For exam- h~v€ to give a place to the national ple, in Madras there is a Hindi new_ languages,because people, who are in bulletin,but in the Allahabad station remote parts of the country, under- Of U.P. for instance there is no bulle- st.and what is being spoken in their tIn in Tamil or Malayalam or any mother tongue. other South Indian language, If you Want real integration you should give I would aLo like to point out equal treatment and status to 1111 lan- tnat tile treatment given by All India guages. Radio to all the languages has not The Vividh Bhuati programme is "been equal, equitable or jusi. For ins- broadcast for 2 to 13 hours a day, tance, the Hindi Unit has been well but all the 'lour South IndIan langua- ;;taffed and well served, while the ges are clubbed together and given other language units have not been only 1-3/4 hours out of this; that is, given the same treatment. They have each of the}e four South Indian lan- been given a step-montherly treat- guages get.<; less than half an ~1O'Jr a ment. To illustrate my point, let m<' day out of the total of 12i or 13 giVe the composition of these units. hours. Not only that. Even though The Hindi Unit consists of one Grade I the programm'es are in Tam'; or officer drawing more than 1,000, as, Telugu. the announcements aI'e made three Grade II officers drawing Rs. 600 in Hindi. A person who hears thi: to RB. 700; then there are translators, programme in Tamil Nad would rather separate announcers drawin£: B3. 500 switch on to Radio Ceylon than hear Or mOre, there are typists and steno- this programme of Vivid Bharati which graphers to assist them. But if you come to the other languages, the Tamil is really Vividh Hindi. Therefore, if you want to serve the l)c')ple of the Unit for instance, .there are no Grade I different languages; the annuonceme,.,t or Grade II officers, no 3eparate an- shOuld be made in th'eir langull;.>e, and nounces; there are only translators, t,l}ere should be equitable distrib"tion and they haVe to translate and at the of time, so that there wouln be an same time announce, Why this dis- effective projection of the poJCli'S of parity? Do yOU not want the Tamil the Government to those people, news bulletins to be as effective as the Hindi ones? Do you not think It I was mentioning about

[Shri Sezhiyan] tions without first olitaining the ad- to be aftected .by . this. l!'or ins'.:-.nce, vice of the Central Emergencv Press the Department of Audio-Visual Pub- Advisory Committee, but from press licity haVe brought OUt a Pre::tlge reports I understand that Govei'nment Diary priced at Rs. 5 for Lhe year ha3 failed to take their advice in these 1965. Do you know when it was prin- cases, before instituting the prOS'eCu- ted and publi!ihed? It -.vas printed tions. Therefore it is not only a ques- somewhere in Bombay. aDd brought tiOn of gagging the pres,; and .3uppres- here and put in the market on the 27th sing news and views which are un- Or 28th of January, while in Madras it palatable to Government, but it Is was available only in the first week of going against the very agreements February. Those who want to buy a made by the Government. diary want it in December, not iu !anuary or February. EvE1l the I haVe referred on previous occa- quality of printing ha ~ deteriorated sions to the many circulars that have much compared to last year -and the been isSued by the different Ministries year before last; nothing new has of the Government of India III con- come out, no imProvement has beal nection with 26th January. One of made. The only improvement is th"t the mo~t atrocious circulars was IssUerl it has been late by more than cnc by the In'formation and Broadcasting month. I understand that the re- Ministry. TillS was afterwards denied. sult is that more than 10,000 ccp:"s of I do not hold Shrimati Indira Gandhi this diary, COJting Rs. 40,000 to 50,000 or Mr. Patabhi Raman responsible for are lying idle in bundles. Probably. this circular. The circular bear; the after one or two years they would be No. l2\34\64-Adm. I. dated 19th distributed to the staff, and tI ~ey ""m December, 1964, wherein many things take them home and use them for have been said. For examlll~, in writing household or dhobl ~ccounts. i tern 11 it ~ays: I would like to know why 10,OCO copies are lying idle, why there was so much delay in printing and bringillg "The officers and staff who can the diarie] to the market resulting in speak in Hindi, should as far as this colossal waste of Rs. 40,000 to possible speak in Hindi in official Rs.50,OOO. meetings and in mutual discu.- Much has been said here about sions." newspapers. Freedom of thP preS3 is Ollie thing which we should preserve in I want to have a categorical 5lJte- a democratic country. However un- ment as to what has actually nappen- .palatable the views expressed by a ed to this circular, whether it has been newspaper may be, Government withdrawn, cancelled or amenll('d, ·be- shOUld not try to suppre~s it. But cause It is agitating the mind, .of the what has happened in Madras l'ecent- people and they should not be kept in· ly? The Madras Government has in- sus:pence. So, I request the hon. ~tituted cases under D!R against Minister to give a clear answer. many papers including Congress papers. They are Swadesamitraft, Shrimati Yashoda Be44y: Let me at M:alai Mura.su, M:alai Mani, Dina Tauti, thie very out;et join my other friends Murasoli TamftMd and some other who haVe congratulated the hon. papers. I do not want to go into th;uI,erits of the cases because it is sub- of the Rouse and the hon. Minister to :;uaice, but I want to remind the hon. the great inpact she has created on Minister that there is a categorical Members of Parliament and the peo- oo:mnitment of Government in thiB ple of India in more than one field. cOnnection which has been Violated. There is a COftImiotment that neither First of all, I would draw attention the Central Government nor the State to the statement she made iminet(iate- Governments would start any r-roJecu- ly after taking charge of the MinistJ.'Y .. D.G.-Min. CHAlTRA 1B, 1887 (SAKA) of I. '" B.

She said that there were many things thinking that made her say that re- that had to be toned up in the Minis- thinking in the language policy wa.> try, that OUr external publicity was necessary. Today the Government of very poor and had to be Unproved. India is doing it. Apart from what Coming from the Minister herself im- she does as a Minister, it is these mediately after taking charge of the things that go to show the qualities of Ministry, it must have given a sort ot popular leadership in her. I am fillip to all the members in her prOUd of it because Minister is also a Ministry, and made them understand lady. If I haVe been extra proud, I that whatever might have been the hope the House will understand' it, lapses' in the pUt, here was a Minis1 certainly I do not apologise. who was goin2 to have absolute con- trol, assess the situation and do good to the people and the Government The hon. Member Dr Sen of th'2 Communist Party said that this Minis- and not be a mere figure head. try was solely utilised for the use of Secondly, in the last ten months I the Government and they give all the have seen, and most of the Members tUne to the Ministers' statements; they must have noticed, how she has per- monopolise it for political purposes. formed Parliament; how she has faced I >strongly refute it. I have been Parliament in the most difficult situa- seeing the working of the A.I.R. tions though it is her first experience Many Members, like Mr. Masani. said of Parliament. last year that AIR is working very good aOd it is no biassed. He says that For instanc.e, there was the time there was a speech on the 4th April when the Pope came here. Th~re was where the person concerned did not much confusion in the country, and speak on the same lines as the pol icy there was a short ne>tice question in of the Government. As far as Korala the House. I must congratulat,· her problem is concerned, if anybodv said and the AIR on th~ way it handled so it is wrong. It only goes to-show the commentary on the arrival of the that the Gowrnment of India, at least Pope. Importance was giYen to his the Ministry of Information and visit not because he was a religious Broadcasting, gives opportunity not head. We are a secular Government, only to the Ministers but certainly to but here was a great man coming for every section of the Indian poll tical the first time to India, to Asia. She opinion. . .. (An Hon. Member: More gave Instructions to AIR with a cor- than their own due). Ewry Lady rect .perspective, with the result that agrees that this is a powerful machi- performance was highly creditable. nery of information media, both in- ternal and external and I would ack the House if, ~ven if it becomes a AnotllPr day, answering a question corporation, and even i'f it were solelY in Rajya Sabha about language she manned by Swatantra or communist said that Hindi wa" the national lan- people, they would not do that1 guage no doubt but we must be Certainly more than fifty per cent ot cautious. the time would be for Government and the Government's policies. Ii you believe that this is the only Thirdly, I congratulate her 011 one media of internal and external publi- thing more. She was the only Cabinet city, certainly a dUe proportion should Minister of the Union Government to be given to the Govenpnent. go to Madras to face the trouble when there was language agitation. She showed both qualities of inheritance The hon. Minister must giVe dir~c· and her own inherent capacities wh~n tions a little more to things like she decided that to face this probiem, national emergency, planning, cultnrlll she must be on the spot. I app~ciate affait'S and educa100nal programmes. her understanding and breadth of Whatever might have been the criti- D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of 1. & B.

[Shrimati Yashoda Reddy] had an earnest very competent, almost eisms of the functioning of the AIR I SOlicitoUs manner which gave the most believe it can come up to the expecta- banal news a news-worthy air. Of tions of the people in case of emer- course there are also other good gencies. We have seen at the time of announcers like Surjit Sen or Roshen the Chinese aggressiOn how they did Menon. But now, especial1:y the lady their job well. Recently, it was a sad announeers-I do not wish to mention thing and I am renUnded of our late their names because it is not good- beloved Prime Minister, the greatest give more weight to the style of pr(l- leader of India, when he passed away nonclation; they do not have an under- on that day the pel'.formance of the standing of the background of the AIR has been wonderful .... news; they should grasp the subtle significance of national and inter- (IntI!1TUptions) ..• (An Him. Member: national affairs of importance. Deplorable) Coming from Hyderabad and stay- [Smu TmRuMAL.' RAo in the Chair] Ing in Delhi, I heard the Urdu announcers Sayeed Banu I believe she Some Members say 1eplorable. Let IS one of the best and I congratulate good m'en be our judge but let them her. DOt forget in their absolute goodness what human frailties are I con- 1 must say one word about films. I sider it is one of the ~t piece have looked through the Government of commentaries. I also con- censor board rules and the sinemota- gratulate :the hon. Minister for graph rules. I am sorry to say that the news review national or int, I or immoral. But I saw a picture ''Bin would like to go to the n'ext point, Badal Barsat" which depicts neither about the news announcements the high values of religion Or the high Madam .... values of sincere love; but only how Mr. Chairman: I would request the black magic and tantric and yantric bon. Member not to forget the pre- system is more powerful. I thought sence of the Chair. She ha, not much in the last scene of the time now. picture at least, they would say that Sbrlmatl YashOlla Bet1d,.: When one the other things are more powerful bears the news or commentaries one but to my surprise they did not give is struck with one ~e unmls- preference to the other things. but takable amateur quality. There seems only to yantra and tantra. I do not to be Jack of consciousness among know what they call it in Hilldi. _~e who plan and produce pro- Censor Board must give greater . gHmmes tha.t there ought to be thought to such things. There are strictly professional standards for some goOd pictures like Dost! and ·even the simple filler announcements. Kabuliwala, some of the best pictures. We had Melville de Mellow Who used I recommend that such a picture almost to dominate all the English should be shown to all our school- programmes; it used to be a pleasure children free of cost. There are some and relaxation to listen to him. He good producers like Satyajit Ray and 8547 D.G~Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of 1. & B.

B. N. Reddi in the South. These pe0- ple have prod\reed classic pictures of h8.d said that the wife should either high cultural standards. Perhaps they choose her husband or the job. (In- could not be box office hits. Today terruption) . our producers have their feet in the box offiCe and their heads in the An hon. Member: Who was that? clouds lind these are the people mak- ing money. The Film Finance COl'- poration should invite talented people Shrimatl Yashoda Recldy: I will tell and give them every encouragement. him later. I request the han. Minis- ter to look into such matters more . Last one word, Sir.. Some hon. sympathetically Finally, I wish to Members said that the PTI should be congratulate the hon. Minister and the nationalised. I do not agree. I agree administration in her Ministry. I there may be monopolistic tendencies. wish her good luck and Godppeed. But coming frOm a party which beli- eves in democracy, I do not belie'/e Shri Khadllkar : Mr. Chairman, Sir, in nationalising any Press organ many hon. Members have devoted because it goes against the generally some time at their disposal to the accepted principles of democracy. administrative failures of this Minis- There were three things which the try, but I feel this House should take Press Trust of India had accepted at note of another aspect of the Infor- the instanCe of the Government, first- mation and Broadcasting Ministry, ly, to raise the strength of the board and . that is what role this Ministry from 12 to 14 directors; secondly, that is going to play after Independence; the number of eminent persons from when the whole society is being the public on the PTI Board, not con- transformed in a purposeful direction, nected with the newspaper industry, with a certain socialistic objective. will be increased from two to four; the only agency of information, 1nS- and thirdly, at least two members of truction, at the disposal of tbe Gov- the Board will be representatives of ernment is one agency that is being medium-sized aUd language news·· controlled by the hon. Minister. I papers. The han. Minister shOUld see am very happy,-and perhaps she is that this is done. I am utterly against emulating the great traditions of her the PTI nationalisation. father. the great leader of this coun- try-at what she has said-if I may I may make one submission about put it that way, a spirit of n~-con­ the Cuddappah station, which is my formity. because for the first time-- own district. The han. Minister, Dr. il it has been correctly reported-and Gopala Reddi promised on the floor she is the first Minister of Informa- of the House that it will be an origi- tion and Broadcasting to have nating centre and not just a relaying acknowledged that nothing has been centre. It would cost us Rs. 20 lakhs done to adjust the AIR to the vastly and the time or the duration it being changed and constantly changing worked now only between 6 and 9 climate of indepielldjent India. This p.m. I request the han. Minister to is a very significant utterance. Why I say it is becaUSe of this: i.n 1962, look into this matter. when the survey of broadcasting in the new~ independent countries was Ultimately, I would like to refer to carried on it has been discovered by one point before I close. There was the UNESCO-and it is mentioned in an instance where both the husband its Year Book-that UAR is much and wife were central Goverr.ment ahead of us; Indonesia and also C~y­ servants, and the wife requested tor a Ion are ahead of us. We are laggmg transfer to the place .where her hus- behind because the rhythm of chang- band was working. The hon. Minister ing Iif~. as it should be reflected in 163 (ai) LSD-7. D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of 1. & B. 8550

[Shri Khadilkar] " ...... also very popular, is this medium, is lacking. Perhaps transmitted for 15 minutes four there are reasons for that, and cer- times a week. 'Sunday Radio tain corrective steps are called for. University,'-

I would like to quote one observa- This is Ii gOOd idea. Last year, when tion from the 'Year Book of UNESCO I spoke, I said that in the universities 1962,because it throws out many and schools, the academic life should ideas for our consideration. The be -alive with some ferment which is UNESCO has been cmwdering what lackdng, especialljy because good has been done by China durin, the teachers are not there. Therefore, short span after freedom; we can also the radio should be a university for do much better, because it is not a those who are eager and who have question of just shouting from the an urge for knowledge, a thirst for Opposition in a hoarse manner about knowledge, and the radio should try to China. We must take note of, in satisfy their hunger for learning. In what manner, what method, what Maharashtra, at the Poona centre, determination, in what way, China Is they have started giving instructions, making an advance and taking note at the time of the examination, to the of that We must meet that challenge. schools; in passing, I would suggest The 19&2 UNESCO Year Book has that, as in the rural areas where you said the following: are giving sets, if you give sets to the schools. where good teachers becoming "Radio is gradually a are not available because the part of the life of the working teachers are under-paid and the tea- people and group-listening is chers have lost their statU3 .md the videspread." respect in society that would be good. After all, the student wants to learn And then, because it ~ the Peking and understand. I suggest that the regime in China- question of radio university and ins- truction to schools must be taken very "Each people commune now seriously. It has been practised in has its own reception service. Poona very successfully. And then: By mid-1959, 8,BOO wired broad- casting centres and some 25,000 community receiving centres had "Sunday Radio University, the been set up thorought the coun- longest of the educational broad- CwRS, is transmitted every Sunday try. and lasts one hour. It is devoted In the basic plan of agricultu- to philosophy, political science, ral development, the general natural sciences, literature and the establisbment of broadcasting illl art3. Other educational broad- rural areas was planned. casts are devoted to music and the theatr'e." Educational broadcwRS are numerous and cover the fields of It also says that a "radio and televiSion politics, science, history, geogra- university with 8,000 students was phy, literature and the ~. It recently established." 86, it necessary is transmitted for 15 mmutes, to set up an effective Listener Research -"'dght times a week. The 'Pages Organisation for the AIR. I would from Hi~tory' series,- stop quoting from the eUract at this point. The ideas are such that we should copy them aDd try to introduce them On that basis, I would like to appeal here. Therefore, I am readfag out to the hon. Minister, to look ink. the this longish extract from the Year question. During the time of Panditji, Book. woe have found in this country cons- D.G.-Min. CHAlTRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B. 855.2

[8hr! Khadilkar] tantly a dialogue on different topics use this instrument and therefore, we going on; the people were differing, should not accept the idea of a em- but certain ideas were thrown about. poration. I would advance a further That dialogue must be revived and argument but the time is very limited. that is the Iifebreath of democracy and of social advance and the new emerg- 16 hrs. ing society in this country. Panditji, There is :nother very important liuring the 17 years of his leadership, factor. In UAR, they have got cheap has created a certain consciousne3s in sets costing Rs. 60 for the common the minds of the people, a conscious- man. In this country, the radio in- ness of betterment of life, a little dustry is dominated by business inter- scientific outlook, throwing aside the ests. You must start your own Public burden of past history and tradition. sector concern where a set for Rs. 40 The'e things today can be kept alive. or Rs. 50 is made available to the com- Today, universities have become more mon people. That is the only thing or less dead; nowhere do you find the which can give the common intellectual ferment in the country. At man some entertainment. It can such an hour, I expect that this insti- be hi3 constant companion, giving him tution at their command should serve a little enlightenment, instruction and as a university, as a fermenting agent education. In this vast democracy, for all social and political life in the for Our illeterate masses. this is the country. only medium which can serve them. After saying this, I will turn to cer- with modern techniques to the agricul- tain other aspects, taking two minutes turist modern scientific devlopment fOr each. to the half-educated and others whose minds are open with new ideas; this Mr. Chairman: I must draw the at- will bring a certain fresh air to their tention of the hon. Member to the minds and enliven them:. . fact that he has already consumed 211 Then han. Minister has recentlyvisif.. hk; time. Otherwise, I would not have ed Aurangabad and ~een' too urge of. rung the bell. There are so many the people, there. They want a radio others waiting. station. It Is what we all' . Adhya Shri Khadilkar: I will finish my Maharashtra, the centre of old culture. spe:ech within 15 minutes. Then That station was dismantled. I do'- there was the question of the corpora- not think it was quite a correct step. tion. This idea every year has been To serve the needs of that region, thoey trotted out, but those who spon,sor want a radio station. Nowadays every this idea do not realise that even in the region has its OWn culture. . You must west, countries . like France or West bear in mind that we have got 14 lan- Germany or Canada or Australia in guages and so many dialects. Oyer-. the east or the UAR, the centralisation ot services does not " Government are playing the lead- -serve the people. Instead of centra- . ing part in directing their Used direction. there must be a re"' radio and television policy. In gional directOr for every region. India. the Government has a dynamic They must have greater autonomy, pOlicy of social and political and eco- so that they will show greater initia- nomic transformation, and at such an tive. From the results cd their per- hour, if you are going to hand over formance. you can say whether lhey this instrument to private enterprise, have done well and satisfied the needs there would be so many difficulties. of the people. And then there is the question of con- In every region, a new rena!,sance is trol: w·ho is going to control them, taking pI~ce. Dont brush aside what private enterprise or public? Today. h'lS happened in Madras. There mi~ht the Government, with a certain deter- have done well and satisfied the needs mined policy. objective before it. can there is a big new force emerging 8553 D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1961) of I. & B. 8554

[Shri Khadilkar] become the intimate loving companion the renaissance of the region. This is of every Indian citizen, in towns and happening in every State. That must in Villages. be taken note of. Every regional . radio station mwt be attuned to the Mr. Chairman: I cannot allow him people's desires and the people should any more time. feel satisfied with the programmes. Shri KhadiJkar: I am just conclud- Some criticism has been made that ing Sir. . AIR has become the mouthpieCe of a party. For in.3tance take the budget or the plan. You invite some acade- It ha3 to stimulate the minds of mician, who has never read much. In people, entertain, inform, educate and a placid manner, he will give out cer- elevate. It has to train new talents tain things. Why not have a diseus- for new jobs and keep itself ready to sian on the implications of the budget face every eventuality. If there is and plan and invite people from both any organisation in the country which sides? . Prof. Ranga is there and there cannot afford to live by half, it is AIR. are other people on this side also. They can debate. That type of debate So, build up a climate in which AIR will bring out the issues very clearly. can plan and live for tomorrow and the day after, facing with confidence Big seminal books are being publish- every eventuality that may arise and ed like What is History and Planning bradng itself for the era of television. t01' Freedom by Crossman. On such So, you have got to prepare for the books, why not pose a dis- era of television in this way. cussion? You have got a reviewer, who gets a little money and gives a small summary. He does not un- Mr. Chairman: This is very unfair derstand what is history or planning to the Chair. I do not like to bp for democracY. Such ideas must be rude, but this is not the way to behave thrown into the minds of the people, towards the Chair. so that they will germinate and grow, and strengthen the forces of demo- cracy in this country. Shri Kbadilkar : I am very sorry, Sir, that I have taken more time. Mr. Chairman: I do not want to be rule, but he ,3hould conclude now. ...n~o ~o ~ :(~) ~mr Shri Khadilkar: I wilYli1st sum up : in a minute. ~,it~~~fit;~ ~~~~~of.T~ Mr. Chairman: I would request him to resume his seat. 'Il'T 1fi1ff 'R .mf.t 't>T liflllr fW ~ I

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Ministry there is reference to the ~!T{ ~ ~ 'T gency. I must say that they did their ~ '1<: ~c ~ I ~~ ~ifff it work very well. The relationship ~ fi6ro it JIftr ~ q.;n ~ ~ between the press and the Govemment was maintained at a leyel and in away f.;m;!;r ~ ~ ~ If': 'T ~ wr

[Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya] cutions against papers with a circula- ten lines. I compared Member by tion of above 10,000 they should con- Member and then I came to the con- sult the Central Emergency PreS3 Ad- clmion that the AIR does not give visory Committee in Delhi. In the any preferential treatment to Congress case of papers against which prosecu- Members; rather, Congress Members tion had been launched, they may still may complain that it gives preferen- be placed before the Committee and tial treatment to Opposition Members. the Committee be alloWed to decide whether the prosecutions liliould stand Or be withdrawn. That may be done I may say this even about the news ev,m now. agencies. I was in Calcutta and one news agency had reported the debate of Parliament. Shri Raghunath Singh I was hearing my bon. friends from had spoken from our side and one of the Opposition about .the doings of the the Communist Members had spoken AIR. I have been hearing this thing from that 3ide. I compared that mes- every Budget session. It has almost sage sent out by the news agency and become a habit with my hon. friends I found that Shri Raghunath Singh on that side to a accuse the AIR of was given 50 lines and the Communist being instrument of the Govern- an Member was given 150 lines. I at once ment, the mouthpiece of the ruling telephoned that news agency asking party and the CongreGs Members and it as to since when it had turned it- all sorts of things. self into a Communist propaganda agency. These are things that I have Shri RIUIp (Chittoor): Why not checked and therfore these complaints place it under and idependent board do not stand when I hear them. These like the BBC? are mere complaints standing in the air aDd should not be made. Shri C. K. Bbattacharyya: When these complaints were made I myS'elf 'lit ~ : ~. ~ t ore ~T omil' checked certain scripts of the AIR. I had brought the scripts of the AIR ~rl during the debate on the national 'emergency, when these complaints 8hri C. K. BbattlUlharyya: I can were made, through the Speaker and give one piece of advice to Shri Bagri. checked them as to how the AIR had Let him make a tape-record of his worked, whether it had really worked own utterances and hear them some with undue favour to Congress Mem- times in a day. That will be the best bers. '1 am convinced and I can check for him where the Speaker's convince Professor Ranga and others directIons fail. that the way the;r worked might be stated to be working with a decided bias in favour of the Opposition. The department has done very good work in defence publicity and in the national emergency propaganda. Very 8hr! Banga: No, no. good work was done and they deserve praise and credit for that. Shri C. K. Bbattaeharyya: I can prove it from the script. I do not Speaking on this line the Gandhi speak like that. When I speak, I speak Unit comes to my mind.! had sug- With my facts teS'tect and my conclu- gested to Dr. Kesklu' also that when sions verified very carefully. In. :fact, I collecting material about Gandhiji, found a Script in which a Congress collection should be made of the spe- Member had been given three lines eches that he· made extempore in his and an Opposition Member was given tours OVer India and which are there D.G.-Min. CHAITRA. 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B. only in the newspapers and are not collected otherwise. Some of the they should cripple their circulation most fundamental things that he had etc. said were said in those speeches. He had said some of the most striking Some of my han. friends were speak- things. In fact, when the Jalianwala ing about the EngliSh and Hindi news- Bagh episode had occurred-he had papers. The figures given are very gone to Calcutta-the first sentence remarkable. English daily papers that he had uttered in his r,peech that numbering about 1500 have a circula- we heard was:- tion of 14 lakhs, while Hindi daily paper.> numbering about 1600 have a "If India had the sword, she circulation of about 7 lakhs. That would haVe taken up the sword gives an idea about the comparative today". hold that the two languages have over the intelligentsia or the literates With that sentence he began his spe- of India. This has been mentioned in ech. Having made that speech with the rePOrt, 8Dd this must be studied that sentence, he had to render an and the necessary lesson drawn there- explanation to make it consi3tent with from. his principle of non-violence. That he explained in Young India. In regard to the ownership of He was in Dacca and some school- papers, it has been stated at page 66 boys were brought to welcome him. As of the report Of the Ministry that: was the CIII3tom those days, in wel- coming him the boy sang the British anthem, Long live the King. Then, "A stUdy of the ownership of when Gandhiji began to speak, he papers by the Press Registrar said:- showed that the general pattern continued to be the same as be- "Let George as an English-man fore." live long; but I cannot pray for the long life of the King Emperor: that means bondage far India." This pattern should have been changed, but unfortunately it has not These are the remarle that he made- changed. One of the persons or I be- memorable remarks. These may be lieve the only person who wanted thi.s found in ·the newspapers or from some pattern of ownership of press to of the persons who heard those change was Our late Prime Minister. ISpeeches may remember them. It was he who had brought the PTess These should be collected and put in- Commission into existence, and it Wa3 to the collection of Gandhi Unit. That he who had put this question before suggestion I would make. the public 'whose freedom is ventila- ted in these new~pers'?

In regard to newspapers, I should say that this que3tion of newsprint I have a news item with me to the shortage is there. Care should be effect that even the British Monopolie3 particularly tak

are [Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya] hatred towards India; the films end in particularly examined in OUr country, deliberately prepared with t.hat de- because if thiJ monopoly continues, view, and one could unal{il-.e the will then the freedom of the press will ac- vastating effect that these films peo- tually mean nothing, and the working have on the minds of the young some journalists will remain working ple th€re. I would submit that kept by our journalists only in name and they will information should be ftln~" that they actually be rendered into literary Government about the actually do labourers. If freedom of th" press is produce and what they to be maintained, then thIS monopoly there. in newspapers should be checked, and say a word about that is one of the reasons why the Now, I would have already mentioned Press Consultative Committee was songs. As I to the collection of record~, constituted by the former Minister of in regard done sc~'e work. Information and Broadcasting, namely the Ministry has them to do more. I Dr. B. Gopala Reddi, and that is one But I would ask in the Hou,e that the of the objects of the Pre,s Council had once stated record, that is Bill too. original Bande Mataram the original record of th" 50i1g which film censorship. I shall Regarding Tagore sung at the Cungr';ss ,cession observation. When the make only one is still in Calcutta. It [las become (Amendment) Act Cinematograph old and it will be spoilt after a few in the other House, I had was passed years. If only our G overnmen t the then Minister, namely suggested to would move in the matter they can that the age of majority Dr. Keskar, collect that record. I suggested this same in ail the Acts of should be the to Prof. Humayun Kahil". He had Government of India. In fact, the "'aid he would do it, but ',;'l[h th" I had been moving an the other day, change dI his portfolio. He mast have the Young Persons amendment to forgotten it altogether. So I would Publications) Act; in that (Harmful request the hon. Mimster to coutact age up to which the young Act, the the persons who have that record and haVe to be protected from persons at least have it reproduced ill the AlR publications is laid down as harmful studio. That is a very va:uable re- 20. cord, Tagore's original sonl! Bonde 16.28 hrs. Mataram in hi, own voice. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] There are quite a number of well· relating tn film censor- But in the Act known musicians whose names are age is reduced to 18. Since ship, the there whose resords have been collect- Young Persons (Harmful even in the ed. I would suggest some more. I Act, young persons have Publication) would suggest Rai chand Baral of be protected from harmful publi- to Calcutta .... cations up to the age of 20, I do not know why in the Cinematograph Act, Speaker: He may have man:!' the age should be reduced by two Mr. to suggest. He mig'ht pass them years and the age of majority should names Minister. be brought down to 18. Young per- on to the need thiG protection up to the sons Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya: I should of 20 against the films and against age also say that Maithlli song. s'.ould be That is my plea. themselves. given the same t"e~ognitic'll hS other I do not know whether our GoV"ern- songs. The3e are beatlful cultural pro- ment keep information about the films ductions and they sbo~ld haVe Eome that are prodUCed in Pakistan and recognition at the h9.nds of the Minis- shown there. I had !>ccasion to see try. s~e of th~ Pakistan filml. I wish that some of our Ministers had seen them. (~): The films are pepared to deliberately fill the minds of the young ;leople with D. G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKAl of 1. & B.

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[Shri Karni Singhji] shows the high standard of work that congratUlate the students of Pilani We have been able to achieve in this who have pioneered and turned out direction. television sets at very cheap rates. '('hat is indeed something We Indians Coming to the main themes on n unit that is functioning briefiy make some observations about In Delhi, what we may call baby television. On the 15th March, in television, is far from satisfactory, reply to a question by Shri Kamath lind an assurance was given that this and other hon. Members, the hon. would be turned into a two-hour a Minister said that 250 transmitters for day television programme, but some- television will be scattered allover how or other, this- assurance is not the country in a scheme to be imple- being kept. I would like the hon. men ted over a period of 20 years. I Minister to tell us definitely where the feel that this period of 20 years for a matter stands. developing country like India is much 100 slow, and we will have to speed up Bombay was promised as one of the the television programmes if we are big centres for television; that was 1 ever going to get anywhere; as far as think said in reply to questions in publicity is concerned, smaller coun- Parliament. I hope that Madras, tries than ours have gone a way ahead Calcutta and some of our other larger in this dilrection. The United Arab cities will be put on the hook-up for Republic, for instance, has three tele- television. I was recently illl Japan vision stations from Cairo alone. and had the occasion to test out some Singapore has TV stations; So has of the transistorised television sets Cambodia and Japan, of course, is a which were selling approximately at leader in 'this line. I feel that if ever one-third the price of an ordinary TV India wants to get a march in trying .et, and I brought one along to India, to control the thinking of the masses, and have given it extensive tests and I the television media have to be ex- find j,t first-rate. I am wondering ploited to the fuU. Whether the Government has any pro- posals to have such sets progressively There is a great deal of prejudice in manufactured and assembled in India, Our country, for various reasons, I do particularly similar to those that are not wish 1.0 enter the controversy- manufactured in Japan, which are whether our television and radio selling at very low prices. ~roadcast should go commercial or not. This is the sputnik age. No matter 1 am far more obsessed at the moment what happens, We have to march with of trying to tackle the problem of the rest of the world, and if we are publicity, trying to tackle the thinking going to be left behind in the race for tlpparatus of our youth, rather than progress dUe to various inhibitions going into the question whether com- that we have in our minds, the rest of mercialisation should be done or not. the world is not going to wait for us. I think if the Minister could evolve I therefore, hope that the television some sort of formula whereby a little programme will be given higher pri- bit of commercialisation is permitted, ority in the fourth plan. and yet Govel'lU!lent keeps control over the programmes, then I think we can Regarding the high-power transmit- achieve 'both ends. ter. this matter has been engaging the minds of everybody in our country, I would very much like the hon. more so after the invasion by the Minister today to place before the Chinese. The Voice of America deal House a definite policy statement that came and fell through for various within the next 10 yearS how exactu reasons--the controversy of non- television is proposed to be developed. alignment, right versus left, Iron Cur- Before I go further. I would like to tain countries versus the democratic D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) of I. & B.

world, etc. When this argument went I have on occasions had the honour on, We lost that deal. I do not wiah of corresponding with the hon. lady to enter into the controversy as to minister about family planning. Since from which country we should have she belongs to my generation which is bought it. But one thing did bother perhaps going to live when India's lid me. If we lost that one opportunity, will blow off with the population ex- it may be years ·before we can get plosion, we can perhaps strike a com- another transmitter. Unfortunately mon chord, because we have to live this controversy and obsession in our through the same period. I will only mind whether to purchase it from the say something very briefly about it. western or the Iron Curtain countries Whatever the newsreels are covering has resulted in a delay of a good 2i as far as family planning is concern- years and I have a feeling that another ed, please link it up with the food ·2 to 3 years' delay will still take place problem and with standards of living before we can set up these transmitters and unemployment. Just putting that will give us a global coverage. across newsreels to say that family Having toured the Far East for the plenning is good is not enough. I hoPe last two years, I can say this thet the the food problem will be definitely lakhs of Indians who live there are connected with this programme. iying to hear Indian programmes and Indian propagande. IAlI the Indians whom I met there ·told me that our Before I conclude, I wish to make propaganda machinery was not able a brief request about my part of the to meet them. In a situation liJc:e this. country. In Rajastlian, two new eVery minute that the clock ticks, the transmitters--relaying stations-have poisonous and pernicious propagenda been opened at Udaipur and Bikener. of Pakistan and China is covering this Both of them are refaymg stations. I part of the world. I think it is about would request that at least an hour time We forget about the east and or two be given to each of these sta- west and start thinking more in terms tions for independent broadcasts, of getting e transmitter from any- because a great deal of talent is avail- where, treating it more as a defence able there. problem rather than as an information and broadcasting problem. After all. While concluding, I would like to propagande is just as important as compliment the minister. She is the your bombs. In the present situation great daughter of a very great father where we have the cold war, perhaps and we expect a lot from her. it is even more important. Perhaps the hon. minister might like to make Shri inlier J. Malhotra (Jammu and a statement today stating on what Kashmir): Sir. at the very outset, I date We expect the first high-powered would like to congratulate the minis- transmitter to go in to gear. ter. Since the time she took charge of this ministry, she has really applied I would like to say something about her mind to improve matters. Recent- sports coverage. As my hon. friend lya committee knOWn as the Chanda mentioned a while ago, sports cover- Committee has been appointed. In its age has been excellent. In fact, the terms of reference it is said that this newsreels have been covering sports committee might take six months to a rather well. I sincerely hope that the year or so to submit their report to otherbrenches of sports will be get- government. We have seen in the ting the same publicity as cricket and past that whenever some committee IS football. Mention was made about our appointed in any ministry, immediate- colleague Vizzy, as We know him-the ly all the other work comes to a Maharajkumar of Vijayanagaram. I standstill. So I would like the feel he is certainly a ftrst rate com- Minister to pay attentimi to this, that mentator and I hope he will continue while this Committee is looking into to be utilised by us. the affairs of administrative and other 8571 D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of I. & B. 8578 [Shri Inlira J. Malhotra] aspects of the working of the Ministry tural neWspapers and magazines in this the steps now being taken to improve country. There are more than 250 the trungS should not come to a stand- weeklies and monthlies and fortnight- still. lies on agriculture published in all the languages of the country. At that The job·of an information man, eonference unanimous recommenda- whether he works in the radio orga- tions were made especially with re- nisation or publicity organisation, gard to the difficulties which are being whether he is in the advertising section faced by these small newspaPers in or in the Press Information Bureau, is getting newsprint quota and govern- a very important one. It is a technical ment advertisements. At that time the and scientific subject. It is no longer Ministry of FOOd and Agriculture that only hand-outs of news are to be agreed to pass on those recommenda- issued by the Press Information tions to the Ministry of Information Bureau or that the job of a man who and Broadcasting because it directly is working in the visual publicity concerned them. I .do not know whe- organisation i.s only to issue advertise- ther during the past one year this ments. We have seen in other coun- aspect of the recommendations made tries, especially in the United States at that conference has come to the of Ameriea, for the past so many notice of the Minister. If it has come years, what changes have come about to her notice, I would liKe the Minis- in the advertising techniques, what ter to categorically give some assur- changes and what scientifie methods ance to the small newspapers, they have introduced in reaching the especially those that are in the agri- mass of the people, whether to sell a cultural field, that)n future they cenaLn idea' or to sell a certain would try to overcome their diffi- commodity. culties. I feel that in the past very little I would like to say a word about has been done to see that our officers the Central Information Service. or our men who work in the Ministry When this Service was to be created of Information and Broadcasting are much importance was being given to given an opportunity for orientation it, that arter its creation the working of their training. There is hardly a of the Ministry, not only administra- centre where a graduate can go and tively but also qualitatively, will be specialise himself to be suitable for much better and that the quality of working in the information and broad- the work done by this Ministry will casting organisation. improve. I am Sorry to say that after the creation .of this Information Ser- Side by side, we also lack in viee nothing much has been done in research facilities. I do not see any this respect. The matter does n,lt end section or any department of this if you only ereate a cadre of Central Ministry which is entirely devoted to Information Officers. What is required the research side, research to see what to be done is that their pay-scales new techniques, whicll have already must be improved. They must· be been tested and introduced in other given an orientation programme so countries, can with eertain modifica- that they are better fitted to give us tions be introduced in our country, to better service. see whether we can evolve certain new t~hniques, to see how best we At the same time, as other hon. can apP"oach our people, how best we Members have poilllted out, our exter- can sell our ideas to the peOple nal publicity must be linked UP with especially to the rural population. this Ministry . of Information and Broadcasting. What is the use of N01l\[f.about a year back, the Minis- having a person who is better Buited try Of,~ood and Agriculture called a for diplomatic service and putting him confEitence of the editors of agricul- in charge of information service for 'SS79 D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) etf 1. & B.

'which he is not suitable at all. I will ~ ~: \'iI1J tlt~ just point out one instance. Today, when Sheikh Abdullah is in Jeddah, it ~ ""' ~ ~ flI; ~ m{1t' 'the Pakistan Embassy there has come ~ ~~ij) it~ ~ t 'out with a well-produced brochure regarding the life history of Sheikh Abdullah, regarding his activities, re- iii' ~ : m. t~U·it~ ltarding the approach of Pakistan to @Trr,~~1 the Kashmir issue. But what is our -pooition? Was our External Publicltly sleeping? I say that if external pub- ~~~ (~); licity had been the responsibility of ~ ~, ~ 1frorif ~ the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting, they would have select- ~ ~ ~ 'lit f'liCl"lT ~­ oed better men to counteract that pro- ~ ~ ~ 'ItlT vrr ~ iI>T ~ paganda and in foreign countries eS- • ~ ~ 1f~ ~ n.-«T -country on the life Pandit Jawahar- ot ~ f,;nr flI; ~ it; ~ lal Nehru. I also saw another picture, 1imPf if 'Which I call a documentary, about the ~ ~ iI>T ~ ;r.rm t. ij) ~ fi life of the late Sir Winston Churchill. ~ ~ 'R ri'ift qmr ;:f\fu' ~ I forget the title of that documentary. ~~~ 'fit ~rt r{~ I ~ An hon. Member: The Finest HoUl', iI; ~ 26~, 1965 it; ill'{ ~~ ~~

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~ .i' i U IH ~ u {;! E~; i .: ~~~ ~ ! ~;- i~~jon ~i,! ~~(~ ~ _: ~~1f. ~ ~ '~' ~~; ~; i I ~.,j;rI\'.'lie' .~ hi>' aJ" . : 1 . ~ ~II! ~i '~~~ ! - ~~ ~ ~ ~ w ;. ~ ~ 1,; ~": ~.~'ff ~1;= i ~~ 'Ii ! ! _ ~ ~~.Ito- ~aJ" ; ~i! i: .;.;.~~ ~ . ~ ~ ~ i ~t 1 00Ti'IT more than it responsible for making known and ~ ~, or ~ ~ 1 mvr-ift"'" implementing them properly, and CfTVit iii ~ ~ 45 ~ ~ iii hence the importance of this Ministry. The Minister has come out with a ~ ~ '1ffl'RT ~ I fu;fT 1 mlf fresh look at the whole Ministry, and 1tm 'Ilf.f 'R ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~, therefore we expect a lot in th.i8 qiIf ~~mfr~""'mfr direction. offi'lft lIT "fR: '1ft m ~ro, ;;it TJr-lTTif ~ ~ 1 ~ f.!>lIT ~ ~~ The immediate need of All India fucrrlf '«!: m<: ~ ~1 ~ I Radio is more dynamism. I see some arm chair pOliticians decrying it for not doing the thing they want. But it is more and more embracing the rural of this country, and there- Mr. Speaker: Shri Basappa. I will population I regard it as very important• . ,see if I cannot accommodate three fore point of view, we have to more Members. From that give it credit.

Shri Alvares (Panjim): Have you changed the system of calling Mem- The programme side has many bers to speak? loopholes, no doubt. It has to be improved. On the news side, there i.I need for greater efficiency, and there also. Mr. Speaker: I do not know what must be some sense of proportion greater impor- he means by that. Small events are given tance, whereas really important events are not depicted properly. So, the Shri Karni Singhji: Catching the Minister should look into these things . .eye.

There is no doubt that progress haa Mr. Speaker: That is exactly the been made on many sides. For exam- system. ple, folk songs have been introduced more and more. Classical music is also there. Gandhian teachings are also Shri MaDoharan (Madras South): broadcast. Sanskrit programmes are When will the Minister be replying? also there. So, from so many pointl of view we see that there is progress, but it is not sufficient, and I hope that with a new look. Mr. Speaker: Tomorrow. the hon. Minister will see that all these things are revo- lutionised. 'Shri Basappa (Tiptur): I consider this· Ministry as very important "Today in Parliament" is eiven a because it is going to revolutionise very short time, and real justice is not and introduce more dynamism in the done to Members of Parliament who 45 crores of population of this country take part in discussions in this august for better work. This country has House .. The hon. Minister may see to mariy ideals, one of them being social- it that more time is allotted . . ism intbis country. The other one 11 D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 of 1.& B.

[8hri' BasaPP8] Again, the news bulletins are not the worth of the films but on some very satisfactory. After all, they other considerations. The censor board must give not only the neWs of the should be strict and control the films· urban areas; more correspondents properly; they should not do any should be taken from the rural areas, favouri,tism to any producer: they . since the rural areas also give a lot should not certify any film unless It of information which will be very has reached the proper mark. useful for the public. There are complaints about adver- It has be"'l said that All India Radio tisements and the Minister should see' is the mouthpiece of the Government. that equal newsprint is distributed It is so, but at the same time it reflects among the English and Hindi and the voice of the people also. It must other language papers and that the be made to reflect the voice of the import duty on newsprint is reduced' people. so that more people can take irt; up. Another point about the cinema is that A number of committees have been when we come out there is no decorum. appointed. Shri Vidyalankar has at all; when the National Flag is 4el\cled one committee, and Shri shown and National Anthem is sung,.. Samanta another. All those reports there is great disturbance. The Min- are there. The Chanda Committee ister should give instructions to the has also been appointed. But let them cinema exhibitors and see that there- not wait to scrutinise these reports llIld is more decorum. take a long time. Let them call for interim re/pOrts, even from the Chanda Committee, and see that My friends spoke about television. sometliing is done, because in our Yesterday, the tAmerican gentlemen, border publicity and external publi- who Visited our Constitution Club' City we are lacking very very was telling how elections were carried much. These will have to be im- 0'1 and the public watched through, .proved. The Minister may say television when the two great leaders that it has been difficult to get spoke to one another; they exchanged. a thousand kilowatt tranSJIiltter, thei;r ideas and tlien people go and but with the materials available some- select the best men. There may be how they must see that our transmitter difficulties but still we shoUld try tOo- ~eaches the other side. In' Europe, in introduce television in all our cities. Rome and other places, we heard that they were not hearing the Indian news at all, whereas Pakistan was able 8hri Koya (Kozhikode): Sir, 1 shalf' to convince them by their broadcasts. be very brief; 1 will not take eveA the time that yOU had allotted fOl" two> Coming to the Song and Drama or three matters that 1 wish to 'refer. Division, there should be dramas not (JIlly in Hindi but in all the 14 langu- ages. So far as press information is 1 reserve my congratulations to the concerned, there is slackness in ex- Hon'hle Minister to a future date' plaining our Government's policies. when the House would be told what Increasing allotment of newsprint to her Ministry has. definitely achieved. language papers must be given more I hope she will not be carried away by attention. There must be more tran- the chorus of congratulations that slation of various boOks from onE' were showered on ber from thiFmor- language into another. ning onwards. . Coming to the }"ilms Division, the ·:state Awards that are given must be 1 want to make a few ob&eJ;'Vatioll5' looked into carefully, becaus'; there ia about the newsprint Polie).' of the a feeling that they are given not on GovernrDent of India,Newsprint: D.G.-Min. CHAITRA 18, 1887 (SAKA) at 1. & B.

which is next only to food in import- told that the programm~ of· ODe at the ance is not given the proper place in stations can be relayed by the other Our import policy. I do not want to station. I do not know how this can take the time of the House by stress- be a valid reason for not bifurcating ing the importance of a free and fear- the two stations. Even now, Madras less press in a democracy. But I am and Tiruchi stations relay each other's pained to see that the Government of programmes. There are other states, India has not realised the importance far example, Andhra and also Uttar of newspapers in a democracy as is Pradesh, where we haVe got more than evident from the sbortsi,ghted policy. one independent station. Why a differ- The country's total imports amount to ent atti,tude is shown to Kerala, I fail Rs. 1400 crores. The newsprint im- tll understand. ported presently is about Rs. 6 croreS annually, that is, half per cent of the total imports. Newspapers are forced I know some time is given in the to take thirty per cent of their re- radio programme to the special pro- quirements from the Nepa Mills. grammes of the minority communities, Imported paper costs Rs. 670 and Nepa like Christians, Muslims etc. I feel paper, Rs. 1050 per tonne. .Even white that there should be more broadcasts print is imposed on them. This policy on subjects connected with culture ond of the Government of imposing and religion of the minorities. Recitation compelling them to'take the Nepa and from the holy Quaran and the religi- white print is sometimes the root caUSe ous books of otber minorities should of all the manipulations in the circu- be encouraged. The radio authorities lation figures and the ·blackmarketing should bear in mind that the corner- that is going on. If the Government stone of Indian culture of India's can spend some Rs. 2. crores of rupees secularism, is unity in diversity. more I think the problem can be solved to a certain extent. The quality of the Nepa paper is hopelessly bad. I would request the hon. Minister not to use the radio and the pUblica- It is time that we think of improving tions of the Information and Broad- the quality of Nepa newsprint. casting Ministry for the purpose of propaganda of the ruling party. In the matter of distribution ot That will be a very bad precedent. Government advertisements, there is general complaint that newspapers expressing opposition's point of view I know Congress Committees were are not given as much advertisements distributing booklets against the 'left as are given to the newspapers sup- Communists during Kerala general porting the Government. elections. I do not support or oppose What Shri Nanda has given in the so- called White Paper, but it was not There is also a feeling that the fair on the part of the Government language press and the smaller news- to iSSUe those pamphlets at Govern. papers are also neglected. I do not ment expense at the time ofthe elec- know how far these allegations are tions. true, but I would like the hon. Minis- ter to declare categorically that ~he will not make the government adver- Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Malayalees tisements the means of distributing are spread all over the world. They favours. are unable to listen to the programmes connected with the culture and litera- All India Radio's Trivandrum- Koz- ture of Kerala. I would plead with hikode station, must be separated and the hon. Minister for giving sufficient eechmllSt be made an independent time in the eXternal affairs programme station. When this matter was raised of All India Radio for broadeaBt!J16 in the consultative committee, we were Malayalam proerammes. .8597 D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 uf I. & B. Prasad. Mr. Speaker: Shri Vishram ~o IIIiT ~'fi'mif gm I ~ ~ ~ I Shri Warior: I think the Calling ~ ~'fflqf.:s"'( it t Attention matter will be taken up after this. ~ ~ ~ it ~ ~I''''' f~ it' om: it~~­

fmol ~ tRft t ~ iIi't ~ ~ Shri 1. B. S. Bist (Almora): Mr. -m~~ ~ ~ ~ t I ({ >;ft;;r Speaker; Sir, I would not like to take if 40, 50 ~o ij1I'i 'lit ~ fMI"R ~ ·much time of the House and will con- ·t~~~~mit~ fine mYself only to the advertisement policy of the Government. ~t~wR!;f\:~~~1 ~~ ~T, ~ ~ I 4 1lN11i'f it 'irnif ~ I have no hesitation in saying that the present policy favours the big ~ ~ crT cj' I 4 1lN11i'f 'lit papers and stifles the growth of small ~~I~ ~~~II'~it; papers. The Press' Commission in ita report has talked of curbing press ~ ~ ~ if>T1:r ~ m 'ifr.r tRft '!U monopolies and diffusion of ownership Q:'tf ~ ~ ~~ fif; ;it ~ ~ The bulk of revenue of news- papers comes from advertisementa . .~fif; qf""~!/I.ij wt'il' ~ ~ m-U With mounting cost of production, foo~"';;r it; ~ij' ~ ir.r ~T circulation revenue accounts for onlY ~.m: qfo"~QI.ij f~.-;;r'f 'I>f;it ~ a small part of revenue. Exceptin, the quality papers and glossies which m~~1fT "ij'T ~ ir.r ~~ I can afford to find buyers at a high ~ ~o ~o l{o fif;mTt ~ fif; price, most papers sell at a price which is far below the cost of produc- ftr~ m '1\") T1:r ;;rt;ft ~ ;;r1ifT ~ I 55 per cent of the total space to ad- qf... ~ql.ij ~ it; f~ m vertisements,--smaller papers do not carry even 10 to 15 per cent of ad- ~ ~ ~ ¢ij'fj' it; qf""~QIi'ij vertising space. Unless the Govern- ffi it; 'I1of1T. 'I1of1T ~it 'lit ~ ~ ment comes to their rescue by releas- ing them a larger 'quota of advertis- ~~ I ing, most of them will either close down or have only a precarious exist- ence. 1!;"i4ffil'~~fif;~~ Whenever question is raised, the "m'6 .~ mm '" ~ it lJ"IT this answer is, we were taking so much of tltrts'mit~~it;m~ space in small papers and language iW fif;ln I ~ if>T1:r if ifiIf ~ ifiIf 80, papers. That is true. But, if an 90 oqrofT l!iTlf ~ ~ ~ ~ it ~ account is taken of the rate at which the advertisements are booked, it ItlIi 1ft ~<::;r;r ~ ~ I would become obvious that in terms of actual money the amount which a small paper gets is nominal. UsuallY 'qiCf it tt QT $lf ~ ~ the rate which the Government givea '1I>W.~~fif;t~~~ to small weeklies is Rs. ] :20 per centimeter leu 15 per cent. This II 2, 3 ~ 4 ~ '1'1:- . flIi;mq if Per cent, I understand, would be the ih'~ 'lU rn ~? commission that Government taka 8601 D.G.-Min. APRIL 8, 1965 Of 1. & B. 8602

[Shri J. B. S. Bist] It the Department were to give The tliird point that I would like to statistics, I bet, the amount a small take up relates to inclusion of adver- paper gets from Government adver- tisement expenditure in the permissi- tisement for a whole year is less than ble limit of expenditure, for income- the income which even a moderate1Y tax purposes. While the Finance circulated daily gets from one inser- Minister's announcement withdrawing, tion. If I remember correctly, each the Gazette Notification is welcome, I big paper gets more money from Gov- would request the Information Minis- ernment adverflSements in one month ter to consider -this question in detail than all the we-klies combined in one and take up the matter with the Fin- year. The statistics which the depart- ance Minister. ment gives to show its solicitude for small papers are therefore misleading. The expenditure incurred by a firm What is needed is that the Govern- on advertising is not some kind of a ment should take a policy decision concealed income so that steps have that out of the total advertising outlay to be taken to get it out It is part for a year, 70 per ceni would go to of normal commercial transaction, small papers and only 30 per cent to essential for the economic life of the big papers, i.e. those with a circula- community. The newspaper industry. tion of over 25000 copies. the advertising industry, the printing industry are wholly or lalgely Of the quota earmarked for smail dependent on expenditure incurred by papers, 60 per cent should be ear- the companies on advertising. Once marked for weeklies, preferably curbs are put on advertising, it would language weeklies and 40 per cent for in a way mean the end of newspaper dailies. Among weeklies also, there industry. I do not think even the big should be priority categories. The papers 'will be able to siand the shOCk weeklies serving backward areas, and the blow: The small papers will where meanS of communications are become extinct. poor, hill areas where owing to diffi- culties of terrain circUlations are While the Government are giving a bound to be smaller and dailies have thought to the problem, I would like hardly any chance of survival, should to place before them on particular' receive preference in the matter of point for their ,consideration, Even advertisements. today advertisers do not release much advertisement to small papers on the The next point that I would like to plea that prestige advertising is not raise concerns release of classified ad- included in permissible expenditure. vertisement to weeklies. The Depart- It has hit this class of papers very ment talks about difficulties involved hard. While the Government are in releasing these, advertUements. 1 giving a fresh look to the wlhole fail to appreciate them. When the problem, I hope they would at least State Governments can release this consider inclusion of prestige adver- category of advertisements to week. tisement released to small weeklies lies, why not the Union Government? within the permissible expenditure What the Government can dO is to limit. The amount involved would group tile weeklies on a regional basis not be much. It is hardly likely that and release them all classified adver- a firm would keep more than lfs. 5;000 tlsemenh pertaining to their region. to 10,000 under this !bead. What is the point of releasing an advertisement about a construction job Lastly, I would wish to Ibring to the in the South to a paper published notice of the !bon. Minister that all from Calcutta or Delhi? In some of is not well with the DAVP. There is the Union' Territories there are ne a lot of wastage. Where is the ques- -4ailies. Why should the weekies in tion of spending huge sums of money 'that region be denied cJaaaifled ad- on outside talent, When the' organisa- , , "ertiaemeDts? tion already has a big peJ'DlllDent staff Strike by CHAITRA 18. 1887 (SAKA) KeTala State 86o.J ~Employee$ (C.A.) of its own? If the staff is incompe- ~f.I;~~m it~~~: tent. it should be removed and outside talent employed on whole-time basis. "'11~ ~ ~ '11 'I>;f~ iff The wastage in paper purchase is no ~ffiOf" secret. PersonallY. I think a high level probe on the working of Gov- The MiDlster of State ill the MiDIII- ernment advertising is urgently called tr,y of a- Affairs (SJui Bathl): tor. Mr. Speaker;' Sir. I nave to announce that the strike has been called off on Mr. Speaker: Now the hon. Minis- the 8th April; the workers have re- ter. ported on dutY and normal conditiona have prevailed since the afternOOn of TIle MIDIster of PJ,formatlcm &lid that day. I may. however. mentio. Breadeastlllc (Shrimatl lDI1ira the incidents leading to that. Gandhi) : May I know how long I According to information furniShed ean take? by State Government, on April 3, 1965, over an instance of alleged Mr. Speaker: About a minute or a police high-handedness in the course minute and a half today. of checking three 1iuses plying between Trichur and Cranganore for Shrl Vasudevan Nair (Ambala- overloading, the drivers and conduc- puzha): She is not used to these tors brought to a standstill the special things. and ordinary services between these two places. They are also reported to Mr. Speaker: It is only ill order to !have caused obstruction to traffic by close the debate that I am asking her putting buses across the road at -to simply begin. Karuppadanna, the place of checking. The strike spread to other centres on Shrl P. G. Sen (Purnea): Sir, may April, 4 and became Statewide the I ask a question? next day, resulting in stoppage of work without any notice by the entire Mr. Speaker: Not nOW; after the operational staff numbering about speech is over. 3,200. There have been conflicting versions and allegations In regard to Shrimati Indba GaatIhI.: I han to what exactly transpired during the express my gratitude to the House for dhecking on April 3. In view of this, the kindness which it has shown to the State Government have ordered me today. the Collector of Trichur to hold a detailed inquiry. The employees cal- Mr. Speaker: She might continue led q!l the strike on. APril 8 and re- her speech tomorrow. Now we will ported for duty. Normal running of -take lip the Calling Attention Notice. services has been restored' from the afternoon of that day.

-ft ~ IIA1W l ~ f.l;1M lU8 lars. ~ it; ~ ~ 1ft mmr ~ t. -CALLING A'M'&N'l'ION TO MA'l'TER ~~tmT'tililr~ ~ 'OF URGENT PtmLIC IMPORTANCE 'ff.nr ~ ih:- ~ lfiTIl' it; 'I\"roIr ~ ~ _Re: STRIKE BY EMPLOYEES OF KERAI.& ~~;¢t ~~;¢t~. STAn: TRANSPORT CORPOI\A.TION it ~ ~ t f.J; 1flIT ~ ~ sr'!fW ~..,..... (~) ( ~m~~tf.l; mmif;nr~ it f'l+ok",fltd. ~ 'lit tiR ~ 1M ~~lRtTori!t ~1mR ~ 8I1'r mrm ~ tIh:.~ ~ ..rtt~it;~t~~tm 8~ APRIL 8. 1965 Kerala State n-aMp01't 8606 Employeea (C. A.> [llftf'li"1Ir.i'~] avoided in the future? May I also know whether the Government here ;r't.ron~ if ~ r.m ~ f.I; ~ 'Ii"T Bnd the Minister here will see to it that the authorities are not proceed- ~ ~ 'llfr t ~ SIiIi"11:: it; ~­ '1'R ing against the workers in the way of ~it;'!i"T1f~~~~? victimisation and that a peaceful atmosphere is there after all this? aft~: ~cAA~~ ma- Shri Rathi: So far as relations t fiI;~'Ii"T~m'llfr~ I~;ft betwen the employers, that is, the ~'Ii"T~tl~ ~;;ft State Transport COrPoration, and the employees are concerned, I do not "(mq g-m ~ ~ it; m 11" ~ ~ ~ think there has been any dispute or t there has been any question of victi- misation. Here the strike was as a ..n~fq:om~~~ protest igainst manhandling by the Police of certain workers and that is Rffi t f.I; f,;m ~ ~ lIl't ~ being looked into. • If\ ~ gm ~ it ftr.rrq; om tw t ..n~:~~,~ ~ 'llfr ~ ? r.m it ~ ~t '1'R ~~'I"r aft ~: iI"'Iit~~~t I t '1'R;;rif ~~) t ;ft ~ Shri Warior (Trichur): Before this ~~; ~ mt 1iT{if If ~ it;, Corporation was made it was Govern- ~'T m1I' f~if 9;fi "=\1:-';" ~ 9;f'h: ment transport and at that time the Government had allowed overloading 1f\!: >if)' ~r q;: '!ft:r« 'Ii"