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Fifth Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Louise M. Dacquay Speaker Vol. XLIX No. 468- 1:30 p.m., Thursday, June 17, 1999 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.I'. BARRETr; Becky Wellington N.D.I' CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.IH CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.I'. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose I'.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River I'.C. DERKACII, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.IH'. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James Arthur-Virden PC. DRIEDGER, Albert Steinbach PC DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.I'. FAURSCIIOU, David Portage Ia Prairie P.C. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, lion. Minnedosa P.C. IIELWER, Edward Gimli P.C . IIICKES, George Point Douglas N.IH. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.IH. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples l.ib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATIILIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.!'. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. N.D.!'. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.IH. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows PC. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, lion. Brandon West N.D.!'. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne P.C. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James N.D.P. PC. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, lion. River East NEWMAN; David, lion. Riel P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson PC P.C. PITURA, Frank, lion. Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, lion. Lac du Bonnet PC. RADCLIFFE, Mike, lion. River Heights N.D.P. REID, Daryl Transcona PC. REIMER, Jack, lion. Niakwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley, lion. St. Vital N.D.P ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland PC ROC AN, Denis Gladstone Nl>l' SALE, Tim Crescent wood Nl>l' SANTOS, Conrad Broadway PC STEFANSON, Eric, lion. Kirkfield Park N.I>.P. STRUTIIERS, Stan Dauphin P.C SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye I'.C. TOEWS, Vic. lion. Rossmere PC TWEED, Mervin, lion. Turtle Mountain P.C VODREY, Rosemary, lion. Fort Garry N.l>l' WOWCIIUK, Rosann Swan River l'acant St. lloniface 2977 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, June 17, 1999 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Also, thirteen Grade 5 students from Holland Elementary School under the direction ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS of Mrs. Shelley Wallis and Mrs. Janice Drummond. This school is located in the PRESENTING REPORTS BY constituency of the honourable member for STANDING AND SPECIAL COMMITTEES Gladstone (Mr. Rocan). Committee of Supply On behalf of all honourable members, I welcome you this afternoon. Mr. Marcel Laurendeau (Chairperson): Madam Speaker, the Committee of Supply has ORAL QUESTION PERIOD adopted certain resolutions, directs me to report the same and asks leave to sit again. Regional Health Authorities-Winnipeg Administration I move, seconded by the honourable member for Emerson (Mr. Penner), that the Mr. Gary Doer (Leader of the Opposition): report of the committee be received. Madam Speaker, yesterday we were asking questions about the Tories' priority of spending Motion agreed to. money in health care on propaganda ads. We have also been concerned about the Tories' priority of wasting money on frozen fo od, TABLING OF REPORTS SmartHealth, and we are quite concerned about the bureaucracies the Tories have created in the Hon. Harold Gilleshammer (Minister of health care sector. Finance): Madam Speaker, I have two reports to table: the Supplementary Information fo r Legislative Review for Manitoba Finance and We know there are two CEOs fo r the two also for the Manitoba Enabling Appropriations new regional health authorities created in the and Other Appropriations. city of Winnipeg. Can the Minister of Finance, or Minister of Health rather-Freudian slip, Hon. Glen Cummings (Minister of Natural sorry-tell us how many vice-presidents there are Resources): Madam Speaker, I wish to table the in the two bodies, please? finalreport for the Manitoba Round Table on the Environment and Economy from 1988 to 1997. Hon. Eric Stefanson (Minister of Health): Well, Madam Speaker, we just spent a number Madam Speaker: I wish to table the 1997 of hours during the Detailed Estimates process Annual Report of the Provincial Ombudsman. fo r the Department of Health. The Health critic, the member for Kildonan (Mr. Chomiak), has Introduction of Guests asked fo r a great deal of information. We have indicated that we will be providing that. Madam Speaker: Prior to Oral Questions, I Certainly, one of the pieces of information he would like to draw the attention of all has asked for I believe are organizational charts honourable members to the public gallery where for both of those organizations, the Winnipeg we have this afternoon ten Grades 9 to 12 Hospital Authority and the WCA, the Winnipeg students from Neepawa Area Collegiate under Long Term Care Authority. Again, I will be the direction of Mr. Murray Martin. This school providing that information very shortly to the is located in the constituency of the honourable Health critic, and I am sure he will provide that Minister of Natural Resources (Mr. Cummings). to the Leader of the Opposition. It will show the 2978 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA June I7, I999 numbers of vice-presidents, it will show the total the province of Manitoba, and I certainly would staff complement, and the entire administrative be pleased to go on and on. structure of both of those authorities. Mr. Doer: Madam Speaker, the minister is * (1335) going on and on, but not giving us any answers. I asked: what are the salaries of those Mr. Doer: Madam Speaker, we have been individuals? advised-and we have copies of the staff chart which we asked the minister fo r a number of The administrative component of the budget weeks ago, but of course he has not provided has gone up under the government. We, in fa ct, that to us-that there are I 0 vice-presidents, I 0 have gone fr om two deputy minister positions in vice-presidents in the two Winnipeg health Health-one associate, one deputy-to one deputy authorities, and this government is in favour of and three assistant deputy ministers. The fu ll salary disclosure. administrative component has gone up. We would have less senior bureaucrats than the Can the minister advise us: what are the Tories have hired and have more nurses within salaries fo r those I 0 vice-presidents, and could the spending priorities of government. In fact, it some of that money not be better spent on is our estimation this government is spending nurses, diagnostic tests and direct services to more money on bureaucrats that they have patients? created in the two health authorities than they are on the whole nurse recruitment program, Mr. Stefanson: Well, first of all, Madam again, a set of backward priorities in our view. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition and his colleagues, they supported the I999 budget that Can the minister confirm that in the WHA we brought down that includes all of the funding authority and the WCHA authority there are I 0 for health care in the province of Manitoba directors on top of the I 0 vice-presidents, and which is in total $2.I billion, which includes the how many of these senior people are in there? funding fo r the administrative structures, What are their salaries? What is the staffing, and whether it is the administrative structures of the can this money not be better spent for patient hospital authorities or the administrative services here in Manitoba? structures within hospitals, and so on. Mr. Stefanson: Well, Madam Speaker, again, The objective throughout the entire when it comes to the issue of salaries, I can transition to regional authorities is to be sure certainly make that information available to the that there is not additional administrative member opposite. He knows in Manitoba, we bureaucracy, that the support either comes from have a public sector accountability act-that I the existing facilities or is taken away, in part, cannot recall whether members opposite from the Department of Health. There has been supported or not-and that requires the putting a significant transfer of employees fr om the fo rward of all of the salaries over $50,000. So I Department of Health to regional health will certainly provide that information to the authorities across the province, and I provided member opposite. that information, again, to the Health critic fo r the member opposite. But I think the important issue and the important message is that we are spending $2.I So I think the important message for billion. We are spending $194 million more on Manitobans is that this budget includes $I94 health care in the province of Manitoba. We are million more in spending on health care. That seeing waiting lists come down significantly in spending is going into all of the areas of health Manitoba, whether it is fo r CT scans or care. It is reducing waiting lists fo r diagnostic ultrasound or other diagnostic testing. We are services, fo r surgery procedures. It is providing seeing more procedures done, whether it is hips, $20 million more fo r home care, providing $I3 knees, cataracts or other procedures. We are million more fo r personal care homes, creating seeing more services in the area of dialysis 850 additional personal care home beds across services, more mammograms, more numbers of June 17, 1999 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2979 services across the entire spectrum of health care Just recently we have adjusted some $6.5 because it continues to be our No.

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