John D. Lee, Second Trial
Jacob Hamblin and Nephi Johnson Testimonies
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[360] CHAPTER XXIII. TRIAL OF LEE [Bk 1 111] CONTINUED. [Bk 1 85 cont.] JACOB JACOB JACOB [[Bk 3 1]]679 JACOB HAMBLIN , HAMBLIN HAMBLIN HAMBLIN SWORN FOR SWORN FOR THE SWORN FOR THE SWORN FOR THE PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION HOWARD: Q. HOWARD— Q. [space] WHERE DID YOU WHERE DID YOU WHERE DID YOU WHERE DID YOU LIVE IN LIVE IN LIVE IN LIVE IN AUGUST AND AUGUST AND AGUUGUST AND AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 1857 ? A MY 1857? MY 1857? A. MY 1857? MY HOME WAS HOME WAS HOME WAS HOME WAS SUPPOSE TO SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE BE AT BE AT BE AT THE CLARA, BUT I CLARA, BUT I CLARA, BUT I CLARA BUT I OCCUPIED AND OCCUPIED OCCUPIED OCCUPIED STAYED AT THE THE THE THE MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN
679. The cover of Trial 2, Notebook 3, is written in Rogerson’s hand: BOOK NO. 3-2ND LEE TRIAL PEOPLE VS. LEE PEOPLE AGAINST LEE 3.
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BELIEVE IT IS. BELIEVE IT IS. BELIEVE IT IS. BELIEVE IT IS Q. DO YOU DO YOU Q. DO YOU [space] DO YOU REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE TIME OF THIS TIME OF THIS TINME OF THIS TIME OF THIS MASSACRE ? A. MASSACRE? MASSACRE? A. MASSACRE I WAS NOT AT I WAS NOT AT I WAS NOT AT I WAS NOT AT HOME, I LEFT HOME; I LEFT HOME, I LEFT HOME I LEFT BEFORE IT BEFORE IT BEFORE IT BEFORE IT HAPPENED, AND HAPPENED, AND HAPPENED, BUT HAPPENED AND I GOT BACK I GOT BACK I GOT BACK I GOT BACK SEVEN OR SEVEN OR SEVEN OR 7 OR EIGHT DAYS EIGHT DAYS EIGHT DAYS 8 DAYS AFTER. A. HOW AFTER. HOW AFTER. Q. HOW AFTER. HOW LONG LONG MANY DAYDS MANY DAYS BEFORE BEFORE WAS IT BEFORE WAS IT BEFORE IT HAPPENED IT HAPPENED IT HAPPENED— IT HAPPENED WAS IT THAT WAS IT THAT WAS IT THAT WAS IT THAT YOU LEFT YOU LEFT YOU LEFT YOU LEFT HOME ? A. I HOME? I HOME? A. I HOME? I DON’T KNOW, DON’T KNOW; DON’T KBNOW; DON’T KNOW I MET THE I MET THE I MET THE I MET THE COMPANY AT COMPANY AT COMPANY AT COMPANY AT CORN CREEK CORN CREEK, CORN CREEK CORN CREEK AND CAMPED AND CAMPED AND CAMPED CAMPED WITH THEM WITH THEM WITH THEM WITH THEM THERE. Q. YOU THERE. YOU THERE. Q. YOU THERE. YOU WERE GOING WERE GOING WAS GOING WAS GOING NORTH TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH TO NORTH TO THE CITY ? CITY? CEDAR? SALT CITY A. YES SIR. YES. LAKE A. YES, YES. [space] Q. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU Q. WHAEN YOU WHEN YOU RETURNED RETURNED RETURNED RETURNED HAD THE HAD THE HOME H AD THE HOME HAD THE MASSACRE MASSACRE MASSACRE MASSACRE TAKEN PLACE ? TAKEN PLACE? TAKEN PLACE? TAKEN PLACE A. YES SIR, IT YES, SIR; IT A. YES, SIR. Q. IT YES SIR IT WAS DONE WAS DONE WAS DONE WAS DONE BEFORE I BEFORE I BEFORE YOU BEFORE I CAME GOT GOT GOT THERE HOME. I HEARD HOME—I HEARD HOME. I HEARD HOME I HEARD OF IT BEFORE I OF IT BEFORE I OF IT BEFORE I OF IT BEFORE I GOT HOME. GOT HOME. GOT HOME. CAME HOME Q. WHEN WHEN Q. WHEN [space] WHEN YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME, YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME
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WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU FIND THERE FIND THERE FIND TOHERE FIND THERE ON THE ON THE ON THE ON THE GROUND ? A. GROUND? GROUND? [86] A. GROUND? WELL, THERE WELL, THERE WELL, THERE WHERE, THERE WERE THE WERE THE WAS THE WAS BODIES OF THE BODIES OF THE BODIES OF THE BODIES OF THE COMPANY COMPANY COMPANY COMPANY LYING LYING LAYING LYING ABOUT ABOUT ABOTUT THERE. ABOUT THERE. Q. THERE. Q. THERE [space] WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY DEAD OR DEAD OR DEAD OR DEAD OR ALIVE ? A. I ALIVE? I ALIVE? A. I ALIVE I DIDN’T SEE ANY DIDN’T SEE ANY DIDN’T SEE ANY DIDN’T SEE ANY LIVE ONES LIVE ONES LIVE ONES LIVE ONES LYING THERE. LYING THERE. LAYING THERE LAYING THERE [112] Q. HOW HOW Q. HOW HOW MANY DEAD MANY DEAD MANY DEZAD MANY DEAD ONES DID YOU ONES DID YOU ONES DID YOU ONES DID YOU SEE ? A. I SEE? I SEE,SIR? A. I SEE SIR? I SUPPOSE OVER SUPPOSE OVER SUPPOSE OVER SUPPOSE OVER ONE HUNDRED. ONE HUNDRED. A HUNDRED. 100 [space] Q. DID YOU DID YOU Q. DID YOU DID YOU COUNT THE COUNT THE COUNTNTHE COUNT THE SKULLS THERE ? SKULLS THERE? SKULLS? SKULLS A. THE NEXT THE NEXT A. THE NEXT THE NEXT SPRING SPRING, SPRING WHEN SPRINGS WHEN SCIRCUMSTANC CIRCUMSTANCE I I ES ADMITTED I S ADMITTED TOOK TOOK TOOK ANOTHER ANOTHER
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SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE ONE LIKE ONE LIKE 120 OF LIKE 120 OF HUNDRED AND HUNDRED AND THEM. THEM. TWENTY, TWO TWENTY. TWO TWO TWO OF US OF US OF US OF US GATHERED UP GATHERED UP GATHERED UP GATHERED UP THE BONES. Q. THE BONES. THE BONES. Q. THE BONES. DID YOU COUNT DID YOU COUNT DID YOU COUNT DID YOU COUNT THE SKULLS ? THE SKULLS? THE SKULLS? THE SKULLS A. YES SIR, WE YES, SIR; WE A. YES, SIR,WE YES SIR WE COUNTED COUNTED COUNTED COUNTED THEM. THEM. [361] THEM. THEM [space] Q. CAN YOU CAN YOU Q. CAN YOU CAN’T YOU NOW NOW NOW NOW REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER HOW MANY HOW MANY HOW MANY HOW MANY THERE WERE ? THERE WERE? THERE WAS? THERE WAS A. I I A. I DON’T, I I DON’T I THINK IT WAS THINK IT WAS THINK IT WAS THINK IT WAS ONE HUNDRED ONE HUNDRED OVER 120 120 AND TWENTY AND TWENTY ODD, I AM ODD; I AM ODD. I AM ODD [[2]] I AM SATISFIED IT SATISFIED IT SATIXS FIED IT SATISFIED IT WAS OVER WAS OVER WAS OVER WAS OVER THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT BUT I DON’T BUT I DON’T BUT I DON’T BUT I DON’T JUST JUST KNOW JUST KNOW JUST REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE THE THE NUMBER. Q. NUMBER. NUMBER. Q. NUMBER [space] AFTER THE AFTER THE AFTER YTHE AFTER THAT MASSACRE DID MASSACRE DID MASSACRE DID MASSACRE DID YOU HAVE ANY YOU HAVE ANY YOU HAVE ANY YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT IT ? A. I DON’T IT? I DON’T IT.? A. I DON.T IT I DON’T KNOW AS I DID KNOW AS I DID KNOW AS I DID KNOW AS I DID AFTER I GOT AFTER I GOT AFTER I GOT AFTER I GOT HOME. HOME. THERE HOME. HOME MUCH. Q. DID YOU SEE DID YOU SEE Q. DID YOU SEE DID YOU SEE HIM BEFORE HIM BEFORE HIM ABEFORE HIM BEFORE YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME ON THAT TRIP ? ON THAT TRIP? ON THAT TRIP? ON THAT TRIP A. I DID, I MET I DID. I MET A. I MET I MET
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HIM AT HIM AT HIM AT HIM AT FILLMORE. FILLMORE. FILLMORE. AQ. FILLMORE Q. WAS WAS WAS WAS THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THE MASSACRE THE MASSACRE? THE MASSACRE? THE MASSACRE ? A. YES SIR, IT YES, SIR; IT A. YES, YES [space] WAS THIS SIDE WAS THIS SIDE THIS SIDE THIS SIDE OF FILLMORE. OF FILLMORE. OF FILLMORE.. OF FILLMORE. I I A- YES, I YES I TOLD HIM TOLD HIM TOLD HIM TOLD HIM THAT I HEARD A I HEARD A I HAD HEARD A I HAD HEARD A RUMOR OF IT RUMOR OF IT RUMOR OF IT OR RUMOR OF IT OR SOMETHING SOMETHING AMONG THE AMONG THE AMONG THE AMONG THE INDIANS INDIANS, INDIANDS, INDIANS AND HE TOLD AND HE TOLD AND HE TOLD AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT IT. ME ABOUT IT. ME ABOUT IT. ME ABOUT IT Q. STATE STATE Q. STATE [space] STATE WHETHER HE WHETHER HE WHETHER HE WHETHER HE HAD ANY HAD ANY HAD ANY HAD ANY BOASTS TO BOASTS TO BOASTS TO BOASTS TO MAKE ABOUT IT, MAKE ABOUT IT, MAKE MAKE OR OR OR OR COMMUNICATIO COMMUNICATIO COMMUNICATIO COMMUNICATIO NS CONCERNING NS CONCERNING NS? NS IT, IF SO WHAT IT. IF SO WHAT IF SO, WHAT IF SO WHAT AND HOW ? A. I AND HOW? I AND HOW? QA. I AND HOW I ASKED HIM ASKED HIM ASKED HIM ASKED HIM HOW IT CAME HOW IT CAME HOW IT CAME HOW IT CAME UP OR UP, OR UP.OR UP OR SOMETHING OF SOMETHING OF SOMETHINGGOF SOMETHING OF THAT KIND, THAT KIND. FTHAT KINDD., THAT
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COULD NOT COULD NOT OUT WITH SOME OUT WITH SOME KEEP THE KEEP THE OHARMONY HARMONY INDIANS BACK INDIANS BACK, INDIANS [87] AND INDIANS AND AND AND THAT THESE THAT THESE INDIANS MADE INDIANS MADE AN ATTACK ON AN ATTACK ON THEM; AND THEM AND WHEN HE WENT [space] ONE IN THERE
680. “AND THEY” was written in the left margin, possibly added later.
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BY ANYBODY IN THE PRESENCE OF LEE BY LEE HIMSELF CONVERSATION TO YOU? I DO Q. NOT [space] WHAT DID LEE WHAT DID LEE SAY TO YOU, SAY TO YOU GIVE THE GIVE THE WHOLE WHOLE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION ? [space] I WANT ALL THE CONVERSATION A. I ASKED ? I ASKED HIM WHY IT WAS WHY IT WAS AND HE SAID HE AND HE SAID HE WANTED TO WANTED TO WATCH THEM, WATCH THEM AND SEE THAT TO SEE THAT THEY DIDN!’T THEY DIDN’T GET THEIR GET THEIR OUTFITS OUT OF OUTFITS OUT OF THOSE THOSE OUTLYING OUTLYING [[3]] SETTLEMENTS, SETTLEMENTS AND THEY HE AND THEY COUNLD NOT COULD NOT KEEP THE KEEP THE INDIANS BACK, INDIANS BACK AND HE HAD TO AND HE HAD TO GO AND LEAD GO AND LEAD THE NEXT THE NEXT ATTACK, AND ATTACK AND HE GOT A HE GOT BULLET BULLET THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS HAT AND SHIRT; HAT AND SHIRT AND THEN AND THEN AFTERWARDS AFTERWARDS GOT SOME GOT SOME MORE MORE INDIANS AND HAD TO AND HAD TO
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DECOY THEM DECOY THEM Q. OUT. Q. OUT. [space] TELL ME THE TELL ME THE TELL ME THE TELL ME THE WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION ? A. ? ? A. I TALKED A I [space] I WILL IF YOU I WILL IF YOU WILL IF YOU I WILL IF YOU WILL LET ME. WILL LET ME. WILL LET ME. WILL LET ME THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION. CONVERSATION. CONVERWSATIO CONVERSATION I TALKED I TALKED N. I TALKED I TALKED ABOUT IT WITH ABOUT IT WITH ABOUT IT WITH ABOUT IT WITH HIM AND HE HIM, AND HE HIM, AND HE HIM AND HE JUSTIFIED JUSTIFIED JUSTIFIED JUSTIFIED HIMSELF IN THIS HIMSELF IN THIS HIMSELF IN THIS HIMSELF IN THIS WAY, THAT THE WAY: THAT THE WAY: THAT THE WAY THAT THE INDIANS INDIANS INDIANS INDIANS FOR THE HEARSAY WAS THAT HE/THEY[?] HAD MADE HIM GO MADE HIM GO MADE HIM
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Q. DID DID Q. DID CAMP [space] DID HE SAY WHY HE SAY WHY HE SAY WHY HE SAY WHY THE MASSACRE THE MASSACRE THE MASSACRE THE MASSACRE TOOK PLACE ? TOOK PLACE? TOOK PLACE? A. TOOK PLACE? A. YES, I YES, I YES, I YES I BELIEVE HE BELIEVE HE BELIEVE HE BELIEVE HE GAVE REASONS GAVE REASONS GAVE REASONS GAVE REASONS FOR IT. FOR IT. FOR IT? FOR IT. Q. WHAT WERE WHAT WERE Q. WHAT WERE WHAT WERE THEY ? THEY? THEY? THEY [space] A. WELL THAT WELL, THAT A. WELL, THAT WELL THAT THE THE THAT THE ATTACK HAD ATTACK HAD ATTACK HAD ATTACK HAD BEEN MADE BY BEEN MADE BY BEEN MADE BY BEEN MADE BY THE INDIANS THE INDIANS, THE INDIANS THE INDIANS AND THAT THEY AND THAT THEY AND THEY AND THEY COULD NOT COULD NOT COULD NOT COULD NOT KEEP THEM KEEP THEM KEEP THEM KEEP THEM BACK AND IT BACK, AND IT BACK, AND IT BACK AND IT WAS SUPPOSED WAS SUPPOSED WAS SUPPOSED WAS SUPPOSED EXPEDIENT; EXPEDIENT. EXPEDIENT; EXPEDIENT ~ THAT THAT AND THAT THERE WAS AN THERE WAS AN THERE WAS AN ARMY ON ARMY RIGHT ON ARMY RIGHT ON ARMY RIGHT ON OUR BORDERS, OUR BORDER. OUTR BORDERS OUR BORDERS THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD TO GIVING THE TO GIVING THE TO GIVE THE TO GIVE THE PE PLE MUCH PEOPLE MUCH PEOPLE MUCH PEOPLE MUCH BOTHER AND BOTHER AND TROUBLE, AND TROUBLE, AND TROUBLE; AND TROUBLE AND THAT THEY THAT THEY THEY THEY WOULD TESTIFY WOULD TESTIFY WOULD TESTIFY WOULD TESTIFY AGAINST THEM AGAINST THEM, AGAINST THEM AGAINST THEM AND SO ON AND AND SO ON, AND &C., AND &C AND IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS THOUGHT BEST THOUGHT BEST THOUGHT BEST THOUGHT BEST TO USE THEM TO USE THEM TO USE THEM TO USE THEM UP, ALL THAT UP—ALL THAT UP, ALL THAT UP ALL THAT COULD TEL L COULD TELL COULD TELL COULD TELL TALES, TALES, TALES, TALES YOU HAVE ASKED THAT IS AS THAT IS AS THAT IS AS THAT IS AS NEAR NEAR NIGH [88] NIGH
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AS I CAN AS I CAN AS I CAN AS I CAN REMEMBER. REMEMBER. REMEMBER. REMEMBER Q. WHO DID WHO DID Q. WHO DID [space] WHO DID HE SAY HE SAY HE SAY HE SAY CONCLUDED CONCLUDED CONCLUDED CONCLUDED THAT ? A. I THAT? I THAT? A. I THAT? I DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW HE HE THAT HE THAT HE MENTIONED MENTIONED MENTIONED MENTIONED ANY NAMES. Q. ANY NAMES. ANY NAMES. Q. NAME [space] DID HE TELL DID HE TELL DID HE TELL DID HE TELL YOU WHETHER YOU WHETHER YOU WHETHER YOU WHETHER ANY OTHER ANY OTHER ANY OTHER ANY OTHER WHITE MEN WHITE MEN WHITE MAN WHITE MAN WERE WITH HIM WERE WITH HIM WAS WITH HIM WAS WITH HIM OR NOT AT THE OR NOT AT THE AT THE TIME HE AT THE TIME HE TIME HE LED TIME HE LED LED THAT LED THAT THE ATTACK ? THE ATTACK? ATTACK? A. ATTACK A. HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID THERE HE SAID THERE THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NO WAS NO ONE WAS NO ONE ONE WITH HIM. ONE WITH HIM. WITH HIM. WITH HIM NONE Q. DID HE DID HE Q. DID HE [space] DID HE TELL YOU HOW TELL YOU HOW TELL YOU HOW TELL YOU HOW IT HAPPENED IT HAPPENED IT HAPPENED IT HAPPENED THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT THAT HE CAME DOWN THERE DOWN THERE DOWN THERE, DOWN THERE AND WAS AND WAS AND WAS AND WAS THERE [114] THERE ALONE? THERE ALONE? THERE ALONE ALONE ? A. YES YES; I A. YES, I YES I SIR, I TOLD YOU, TOLD YOU. TOLD YOU TOLD YOU HE WENT OUT HE WENT OUT HE WENT OUT HE WENT OUT TO WATCH TO WATCH TO WATCH TO WATCH THEM AND THEM [362] AND THEM TO THEM TO KEEP THEM KEEP THEM KEEP THEM KEEP THEM TO FROM FROM FROM KEEP FROM MAKING THEIR MAKING THEIR MAKING THEIR MAKING FIT OUTFIT FROM OUTFIT FROM OUTFIT FROM OUT FROM THE OUTLYING THE OUTLYING THE OUTLYING THE OUTLYING SETTLEMENTS, SETTLEMENTS, SETTLEMENTS, SETTLEMENTS AND THE AND THE AND THE AND THE INDIANS COULD INDIANS COULD INDIANS COULD INDIANS COULD NOT BE NOT BE NOT BE NOT BE RESTRAINED. Q. RESTRAINED. RESTAINED. Q. RESTRAINED HOW HOW HOW [space] HOW
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LONG DID HE LONG DID HE LONG DID HE LONG DID HE SAY THAT SAY THAT SAY THAT SAY THAT ATTACK WAS ATTACK WAS ATTACK WAS ATTACK WAS MADE MADE
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CEDAR CITY ? CEDAR CITY? CEDAR? CEDAR A. HE DID, HE DID— A. HE DID, HE DID [space] HE SENT WORD. HE SENT WORD. HE SENT WORD. HE SENT WORD [space] WHAT Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID HE TELL DID HE TELL IDID HE TELL DID HE TELL YOU THAT YOU THAT YOU THAT YOU THAT WORD WAS WORD WAS WORD WAS WORD WAS THAT HE SENT THAT HE SENT THAT HE SENT THAT HE SENT TO CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY? TO CEDAR? TO CEDAR ? A. HE SENT HE SENT A. HE SENT HE SENT WORD THAT WORD THAT WORD THAT WORD THAT THE EMIGRANTS THE EMIGRANTS THE EMIGRANTS THE EMIGRANTS HAD BEEN HAD BEEN HAD BEEN HAD BEEN ATTACKED, ATTACKED— ATTACKED, ATTACKED THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE INDIANS WERE INDIANS WERE INDIANS WERE INDIANS WAS VERY MAD VERY MAD, VERY BAD MAD VERY MAD AND HE DIDN’T AND HE DIDN’T AND DIDN’T AND DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO KNOW HOW TO KNOW HOW TO KNOW HOW TO KEEP THEM KEEP THEM KEEP THEM KEEP THEM DOWN. Q. DOWN. DOWN. Q. DOWN. [space] GIVE AS GIVE, AS GIVE US AS GIVE US AS NEAR AS YOU NEAR AS YOU NEAR AS YOU NEAR AS YOU CAN THE CAN, THE CAN THE CAN THE ENTIRE ENTIRE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU HAD WITH MR. LEE WITH MR. LEE WITH MR. LEE WITH MR. LEE AT THE TIME AT THE TIME AT THE TIME AT THE TIME YOU REFER YOU REFER YOU REFERR YOU REFER TO ? A. I TO? I TO? A. I TO [space] I BELIEVE I HAVE. BELIEVE I HAVE. BELIEVE I HAVE. BELIEVE I HAVE Q. DIDN’T DIDN’T Q. DIDN.’T [space] DIDN’T HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU THAT HAIGHT THAT HAIGHT THAT HAIGHT THAT HAIGHT OR HIGBEE OR HIGBEE OR HIGBEE OR HIGBEE SENT BACK SENT BACK SENT BACK
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OFTHE FACT THE FACT THE FACT THE FACT THAT STEWART THAT STEWART THAT STEWART THAT STEWART HAD HAD HAD HAD —[?]681 KILLED AIDEN KILLED AIDEN KILLESD AIDEN KILLED AIDEN AT THE AT THE AT THE AT THE SPRINGS— SPRINGS? SPRINGS. SPRINGS DIDN’T HE DIDN’T HE DIDN’T HE DIDN’T HE MENTION MENTION MENTION MENTION SOMETHING OF SOMETHING OF SOMETHING OF SOMETHING OF THAT KIND TO THAT KIND TO THAT KIND TO THAT KIND TO YOU IN THAT YOU IN THAT YOU IN THAT YOU IN THAT SAME SAME SAME SAME CONVERSATION CONVERSATION COJNVERSATIO CONVERSATION ? A. I DON’T ? I DON’T N? A. I DON’T I DON’T REMEMBER AS REMEMBER AS REMEMBER AS REMEMBER AS HE DID, HE HE DID. HE HE DID, HE HE DID HE SPOKE OF SOME SPOKE OF SOME SPOKE OF SOME SPOKE OF SOME MAN BEING MAN BEING MEN BEING MEN BEING SHOT AT LIT- SHOT AT LITTLE SHOT AT LITTLE SHOT AT LITTLE [115] TLE PINTO PINTO PINTO PINTO IN THE COURSE IN THE COURSE IN THE COURSE IN THE COURSE OF THE OF THE OF THE OF THE EVENING. IT EVENING. IT EVENEING. IT EVENING IT WAS AFTER THE WAS AFTER THE WAS AFTER THE WAS AFTER THE INDIANS HAD INDIANS HAD INDIANS HAD INDIANS HAD ATTACKED, IF I ? ATTACKED, IF I ATTACKED, IGF I ATTACKED IF I REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT RIGHT, THAT RIGHT, THAT RIGHT THAT THERE WAS THERE WAS SOME MEN LEFT SOME MEN LEFT SOME MEN LEFT SOME MEN LEFT THE CAMP AND THE CAMP AND THE CAMP AND THE CAMP AND UNDERTOOK TO UNDERTOOK TO UNDERTOOK TO UNDERTOOK TO GO TO CEDAR GO TO CEDAR GO TO CEDAR GO TO CEDAR CITY, AND WERE CITY, AND WERE CITY AND WAS CITY AND WAS KILLED ON THE KILLED ON THE KILLED ON THE KILLED ON THE WAY—ONE OR WAY—ONE OR WAY—ONE OR WAY ONE OR TWO I THINK, TWO I THINK, TWO I THINK TWO I THINK AND ONE OR AND ONE OR AND ONE OR AND ONE OR TWO CAME TWO CAME TWO CAME TWO CAME BACK. BACK. BACK. BACK. [space] Q. GO ON AND GO ON AND Q. GO ON AND GO ON AND TELL ALL THAT TELL ALL THAT TELL ALL THAT TELL ALL THAT
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HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU ABOUT ABOUT ABOUT TYHAT, ABOUT THAT IT—ABOUT IT, ABOUT ABOUT [space] ABOUT THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THAT MAN AT THAT MAN THE MAN AT THAT MAN AT AT THE SPRINGS, THE SPRINGS AT PINTO, PINTO— PINTO HOW HOW HOW HAPPENED HOW IT WAS DONE IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE IT WAS DONE AND ALL ABOUT AND ALL ABOUT AND TALL AND ALL ABOUT IT ? A. I IT. I ABOUT IT? A. I THAT? I DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DON!’T KNOW DON’T KNOW THAT I CAN, THAT I CAN. THAT I CAMN. THAT I CAN I I I [space] I REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID HE SAID THAT THERE THAT THERE THERE THERE WAS ONE WAS ONE WAS ONE WAS ONE KILLED THERE KILLED THERE KILLDED THERE KILLED THERE THAT WENT THAT WENT THAT WENT THEY WENT OUT TO SEE IF OUT TO SEE IF IN TO SEE IF IN TO SEE IF THEY COULD THEY COULD THEY COULD THEY COULD GET HELP GET HELP GET HELP NOT GET HELP FROM CEDAR FROM CEDAR FROM CEDAR. FROM CEDAR CITY. TWO OR CITY. TWO OR TWO OR TWO THREE WENT THREE WENT, THREE WENT 3 WENT AND ONE WAS AND ONE WAS AND ONE WAS AND ONE KILLED AND KILLED AND KILLED AND KILLED AND ONE OR TWO ONE OR TWO ONE OR TWO ONE OR TWO CAME BACK IN CAME BACK IN CAME BACK IN CAME BACK IN THE NIGHT. THE NIGHT. THE KIGHT. THE NIGHT OR I I I NOT/DON’T[?] I DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW BUT THAT BUT THAT TBUT THQAT [[5]] BUT THEY GOT BACK THEY GOT BACK THEY GOT BACK THEY GOT BACK TO CAMP. Q. TO CAMP. TO CAMP. Q. TO CAMP [space] DID HE TELL DID HE TELL DID HE TELL DID HE TELL YOU WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WHAT WORD WAS WORD WAS WORD WAS WORD WAS SENT BACK TO SENT BACK TO SENT BACK TO SENT BACK TO HIM FROM HIM FROM HIM FROM HIM FROM CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY AFTER THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THAT TIME ? A. YES, TIME? YES; TIME? A. YES, TIME [space] YES
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HE TOLD ME HE TOLD ME SIR, HE TOLD HE TOLD ME SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE MESSAGE THAT MESSAGE THAT MESSAGE THAT MESSAGE THAT CAME THERE. Q. CAME THERE. CAME THERE. Q. CAME THERE TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME [space] TELL ME WHAT WAS SAID WHAT WAS SAID WHAT WAS SAID WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT IT ? A. ABOUT IT? ABOUT IT. A. ABOUT IT ONE MESSAGE ONE MESSAGE ONE MESASAGE ONE MESSAGE CAME TO NOT CAME TO NOT CAME TO NOT CAME TO NOT DISTURB THE DISTURB THE DISTURB THE DISTURB THE EMIGRANTS, EMIGRANTS, EMIGRANTS, EMIGRANTS AND AFTER AND AFTER AND AFTER AND AFTER THE THE THAETHE THE MESSAGE WENT MESSAGE WENT MESSAGE WENT MESSAGE ONE THAT THEY HAD THAT THEY HAD THAT THEY HAD THAT THEY HAD BEEN BEEN BEEN BEEN ATTACKED I ATTACKED, I ATTACKED; I ATTACKED I THINK HE SAID THINK HE SAID THINK HE SAID THINK HE SAID THAT THERE THAT THERE THAT THE THAT THE WAS ONE WAS ONE OTHER ONE OTHER
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COMMENCED COMMENCED COMMENCED COMMENCED THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY SHOULD BE SHOULD BE SHOULD BE SHOULD BE USED UP OR USED UP, OR USED UP, USED UP OR SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE THAT. LIKE THAT. LIKE THAT Q. DID HE DID HE Q. DID HE [space] DID HE TELL YOU WHO TELL YOU WHO TELL YOU WHO TELL YOU WHO THAT MESSAGE THAT MESSAGE THAT MESSAGE THAT MESSAGE WAS FROM ? A. I WAS FROM? I WAS FROM? A. I WAS FROM I DON’T THINK HE DON’T THINK HE DON’T THINK HE DON’T THINK HE DID. Q. DID DID. DID DID. [90] Q. DID DID [space] DID HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS FROM, FROM, FROM, FROM WHETHER FROM WHETHER FROM WHETHER FROM WHETHER FROM CEDAR CITY OR CEDAR CITY OR CEDAR OR CEDAR OR ELSEWHERE ? A ELSEWHERE? ELSEWHERE? ELSEWHERE NO, HE USED NO, HE USED A. NO,HE USED NO HE USED THE THE THE THE LANGUAGE LANGUAGE LANGUZAGE LANGUAGE THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT WORD. [116] WORD. WORD. WORD. [space] RE-DIRECT. Q. RE-DIRECT. RE-DIRECT. RE-DIRECT DO YOU DO YOU Q. DID YOU [space] DID YOU BELIEVE WHAT BELIEVE WHAT BELIEVE WHAT BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID, THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT HE GOT A HE GOT A HE GOT A HE GOT A MESSAGE TO MESSAGE TO MESSAGE TO MESSAGE TO USE UP THOSE USE UP THOSE USE UP THOSE USE UP THOSE EMIGRANTS, EMIGRANTS, EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS FROM ANY FROM ANY FROM ANY FROM ANY AUTHORITY ? A. AUTHORITY? AUTHORITY? A. AUTHORITY? I DON’T KNOW I DON’T KNOW I DON’T KNOW I DON’T KNOW THAT I DO. Q. THAT I DO. THAT I DO. Q. THAT I DO DON’T YOU DON’T YOU DON’T YOU DON’T YOU KNOW THAT HE KNOW THAT HE KNOW THAT HE KNOW THAT HE LIED ABOUT IT ? LIED ABOUT IT? LIED ABOUT IT? LIED ABOUT IT? NO ANSWER. NO ANSWER. NO ANSWER. [space] Q. DON’T YOU DON’T YOU Q. DON’T YOU DON’T YOU THINK HE DID ? THINK HE DID? THINK HE DID? THINK HE DID? ~ NO ANSWER. NO ANSWER. NO ANSWER. [space] Q’ HE WAS HE WAS Q. IF HE WAS IF HE WAS TELLING YOU TELLING YOU TELLING YOU TELLING YOU
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THIS IN THIS IN THIS IN THIS IN JUSTIFICATION JUSTIFICATION JUSTIFICATION JUSTIFICATION AFTER THE AFTER THE FOR THE FOR THE MATTER MASSACRE ? MASSACRE? MASSACRE.? MASSACRE A. YES, YES, A. YES, YES[?] HE TOLD ME HE TOLD ME HE TOLD ME HE TOLD ME THAT , I ASKED THAT. I ASKED THAT. I ASKED THAT I ASKED WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT CALLED FOR CALLED FOR CALLEDFOR CALLED FOR SUCH AN ACT SUCH AN ACT, SUCH AN ACT, SUCH AN ACT AND HE TOLD AND HE TOLD HE TOLD HE TOLD WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT HIS WHAT HIS REASON WAS. REASON WAS. REASONS WERE. REASONS WAS Q. HE GAVE HE GAVE Q. HE GAVE [space] HE GAVE YOU THAT YOU THAT YOU THAT YOU THAT REPLY IN HIS REPLY IN HIS REPLY IN HIS REPLY IN HIS JUSTIFICATION ? JUSTIFICATION? JUSTIFICATION? JUSTIFICATION A. HE SAID HE SAID A. HE SAID [space] HE SAID HE GOT WORD HE GOT WORD HE GOT WORD HE GOT WORD TO USE THEM TO USE THEM TO USE THEM TO USE THEM UP, THAT UP, THAT UP, THAT [[6]] UP THAT THIS ARMY THIS ARMY WAS THIS ARMY WAS THIS ARMY WAS WASON THE ON THE ON THE ON THE BOARDERS. BORDERS. BORDERS. BORDERS MAKE QM HE HE Q. HE A DISPOSITION GOT GOT GOT OF IT —GOT WORD THAT WORD THAT WORD THAT WORD THAT BEING BEING BEING BEING COMMENCED, COMMENCED, COMMENCED,— COMMENCED THAT ON THAT ON THAT ON THAT ON ACCOUNT OF ACCOUNT OF ACCOUNT OF ACCOUNT OF THE ARMY THE ARMY THE ARMY THE ARMY BEING ON THE BEING ON THE BEING ON THE BEING ON THE BORDERS BORDERS, BORDERS,— BORDERS THAT HE HAD THAT HE HAD THAT HE HAD THAT HE HAD BETTER FINISH BETTER FINISH BETTER FINISH BETTER FINISH IT ? A. YES. IT? YES. IT? A. YES, IT YES Q. DID YOU DID YOU Q. DID YOU [space] DID YOU UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT CAME FROM CAME FROM CAMPE FROM CAME FROM HIGBEE OR HIGBEE OR HIGBEE OR HIGBEE OR HAIGHT—THAT HAIGHT—THAT HAIGHT—THAT HAIGHT THAT
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WORD ? A. I WORD? I WORD? A. I WORD [space] I DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK HE SAID. HE SAID. THAT HE SAID HE SAID Q. DO YOU DO YOU ——— Q. DO DO YOU KBOW THE KNOW THE YOU KNOW THE KNOW THE RELATIONS RELATIONS RELATIONS RELATIONS EXISTING EXISTING THAT EXISTED EXISTING BETWEEN BETWEEN BETWEEN BETWEEN HIGBEE, HAIGHT HIGBEE, HAIGHT HIGBEE, HAIGHT HIGBEE HAIGHT AND LEE, SO AS AND LEE, SO AS AND LEE, SO AS AND LEE SO AS TO KNOW FROM TO KNOW FROM TO KNOW FROM TO KNOW FROM WHOM IT CAME WHOM IT CAME? WHOM IT CAME? WHOM IT CAME ? A. I WOULD I WOULD A. I WOULD I WOULD EXPECT IT EXPECT IT EXPECT IT EXPECT IT WOULD COME WOULD COME CAME WOULD COME FROM FROM FROM FROM FROM ISAAC C. ISAAC C. ISCCAAC C. ISAAC C HAIGHT, IF ANY HAIGHT, IF ANY HAIGHT IF ANY HAIGHT IF ANY WORD WAS WORD WAS WORD WAS WAS SENT FROM SENT FROM SENT FROM SENT FROM CEDAR CITY, IT CEDAR CITY; CEDAR CITY; IT CEDAR CITY IF IT WAS IF IT WAS IF IT WAS IF IT BEEN NORTH IT NORTH, IT NOT IT NORTH IT WOULD BE WOULD BE WOULD BE WOULD BE FROM FROM FROM FROM PAROWAN, BUT PAROWAN, BUT PAROWAN, BUT PAROWAN BUT I DON’T THINK I DON’T THINK I DON’T THINK I DON’T THINK HE TOLD ME HE TOLD ME HE TOLD ME HE TOLD ME WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS FROM. [117] Q. FROM. FROM. [91] Q. FROM. [space] KLINGENSMITH KLINGENSMITH KLINGENSMITH, KLINGENSMITH WAS WAS I SUPPOSE, WAS I SUPPOSE WAS IN A IN A IN SUCH A IN POSITION, I POSITION, I POSITION AS POSITION SUPPOSE TO SUPPOSE, TO TO TO SEND SUCH SEND SUCH SEND SUCH SEND SUCH WORD IF ANY WORD, IF ANY WORD, IF ANY WORD IF ANY WAS SENT ? WAS SENT? WAS SENT. WAS SENT A. A. [space] KLINGENSMITH KLINGENSMITH KLINGENSMITH KLINGEN SMITH WAS PRESIDING WAS PRESIDING WAS PRESIDING WAS PRESIDING BISHOP. BISHOP. JUDGED BISHOP. BISHOP IF IT WAS IF IT WAS IF IT WAS IF IT WAS ORDERS IN A ORDERS IN A ORDERED IN A
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MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY CAPACITY IT CAPACITY IT CAPACITY IT CAPACITY IT WOULD BE WOULD BE WOULD BE WOULD BE SOMEBODY SOMEBODY SOMEBODY SOMEBODY ELSE. Q. IF IT ELSE. IF IT ELSE. Q. IF IT ELSE [space] IF IT WAS IN A WAS IN A WAS IN A WAS MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY CAPACITY CAPACITY, CAPACITY, CAPACITY IT WHO WHO WHO WOULD WHO WOULD IT HAVE WOULD IT HAVE WOULD IT HAVE WOULD IT BEEN FROM ? A. BEEN FROM? BEEN FROM? A. BEEN FROM THE WAY I THE WAY I THE WAY I THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTAND UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD IT IT WOULD BE IT, IT WOULD BE IT IT WOULD BE IT IT WOULD BE DAME. Q. IF DAME. IF DAME. Q. IF DAME [space] IF HE TOLD THE HE TOLD THE HE TOLD THE HE TOLD THE TRUTH AND TRUTH, AND TRUTH THAT TRUTH THE AUTHORITY AUTHORITY THE AUTHORITY AUTHORITY CAME CAME TO CZAME FROM A CAME FROM TO HIM HIM MI CAME TO HIM TO HIM:; IF IT HIM FROM A FROM A COME FROM A FROM SUPERIOR SUPERIOR SUPRERIOR SUPERIOR MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY OFFICER OFFICER— OFFIECRER,—, IT OFFICER WOULD BE IT WOULD BE DAME. WJO DAME [space] — WHO WOULD
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SATURDAY [[7]] SATURDAY SEPTEMBER, SEPT 16TH, 18876. 16TH 1876
JURY CALLED. JURY CALLED BISHOP: [space] BISHOP WE HAD A WE HAD A CONSULTATION CONSULTATION WITH THE WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR ATTORNEY FOR THE THE PROSECUTION PROSECUTION AND WE ARE AND WE ARE WILLING THAT WILLING THAT THE COURT THE COURT SHOULD— SHOULD THE THAT —[?] THAT YOUR HONOR YOUR HONOR SHOULD GIVE SHOULD GIVE YOUR YOUR INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE AFTER THE AGRGUEMENT ARGUMENTS IN THE CASE, SO IN THE CASE SO THAT THAT I THAT THAT WOLL THA WILL WILL BE THE BE THE UNDERSTANDIN UNDERSTANDIN JACOB G. JACOB G. [space] JACOB HAMBLIN. HAMBLIN HAMBLIN RE - CALLED RE-CALLED. RE-CALLED FOR RE CALLED FOR THE BY PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. HOWARD. HOWARD— HOWARD: HOWARD682 I AM NOT I AM NOT I AM NOT [space] I AM NOT IN THE HABIT, IN THE HABIT, IN THE HABIT, IN THE HABIT YOUR HONOR, YOUR HONOR, YOUR HONOR, YOUR HONOR OF RECALLING OF RECALLING OF RE-CALLING
682. In the left margin.
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POSTED IN POSTED IN POSTED IN POSTED IN REGARD TO ALL REGARD TO ALL REGARD TO ALL REGARD TO ALL THE FACTS THE FACTS THE CFACTS THE FACTS THAT MR. THAT MR. THAT MR. THAT MR. KAMBLIN HAMBLIN HAMBLIONS HAMBLIN WOULD TESTIFY WOULD TESTIFY WOULD TESTIFY WOULD TESTIFY TO. I HAVE TO. I HAVE TO. I TO. I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF SOME FACTS Q. HOW FAR HOW FAR Q. HOW FAR [space] HOW FAR ABOVE THIS ABOVE THIS ABOVE THIS ABOVE THIS PLACE, PLACE, PLACE, PLACE BEAVER, WAS BEAVER, WAS BEAVER, WAS
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FROM HERE ? A. FROM HERE? FROM HERE? SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO BE BE FIFTY FIVE FIFTY-FIVE 55 55 MILES, MILES— MILES, I MILES SUPPOSE, SUPPOSE, FIFTY THREE TO FIFTY-THREE ABOUT 53 ABOUT 53 FITFTY TO FIFTY-FIVE TO 55. Q. ARE OR 5 ARE TFHRVEE TO FIF YOU IN THE YOU IN THE MILES. MILES. HABIT OF HABIT OF CALLING CEDAR CALLING CEDAR Q. IS IS CITY——IS CITY IS THERE ANY THERE ANY THERE ANY THERE ANY OTHER PLACE OTHER PLACE OTHER PLACE OTHER PLACE CALLED CEDAR CALLED CEDAR CALLED CEDAR CALLED CEDAR CITY EXCEPT CITY, EXCEPT EXCEPT EXCEPT THIS CEDAR CEDAR CEDAR CEDAR CITY ? [118] A. NO CITY? NO, CITY? A. NO, CITY NO SIR, I DON’T SIR, I DON’T SIR, I DON’T SIR I DON’T KNOW ANY. KNOW ANY. KNOW ANY. . KNOW OF ANY IT CALLED IT IS CALLED IT IS CALLED IT IS CALLED CEDAR OR CEDAR OR CEDAR— CEDAR CEDAR CITY . CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY Q HOW FAR HOW FAR Q. HOW FAR [space] HOW FAR IS IT FROM IS IT FROM IS IT FROM IS IT FROM CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY TO PAROWAN ? A. PAROWAN? PAROWAN. A. PAROWAN EIGHTEEN EIGHTEEN 18 18 MILES I USED MILES, I USED MILES I USED MILES I USED TO SUPPOSE IT TO SUPPOSE IT TO SUPPOSE IT TO SUPPOSE IT WAS. I WAS. I HAVE WAS. I HAVE WAS HEARD IT HEARD IT HAEARD IT WAS HEARD IT CALLED CALLED CALLED ENOUGH/CALLE THAT. Q. HOW THAT. HOW THAT. Q. HOW D THAT[?] HOW FAR IS IT FROM FAR IS IT FROM FAR IS IT FROM FAR FROM PAROWAN TO PAROWAN TO PAROWAN TO PAROWAN TO HARMONY ? A. HARMONY? HARMONY? A. HARMONY? ABOUT THIRTY ABOUT THIRTY- ABOUT 35 ABOUT 36 FIVE MILES IT IS FIVE MILES, IT IS MILES, MILES SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO BE. Q. IS BE. IS BE. Q. IS BE IS HARMONY ON HARMONY ON HARMONY ON HARMONY ON THE ROAD OR IS THE ROAD, OR IS THE ROAD OR IS THE ROAD OR IS IT OFF IT OFF OF IT OFF FROM IT OFF FROM THE ROAD THE ROAD THE ROAD THE ROAD
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FROM CEDAR FROM CEDAR FROM CEDAR FROM CEDAR CITY TO THE CITY TO THE CITY TO THE CITY TO THE MEADOWS ? MEADOWS? MEADOWS? MEADOWS A. IT IS TWELVE IT IS TWELVE A. 12 12 MILES SOUTH MILES SOUTH MILES SOUTH MILES683 SOUTH OF THE ROAD. OF THE ROAD. OF THE ROAD. Q. OF THE ROAD Q. WHERE WHERE WHERE [space] WHERE DO YOU LEAVE DO YOU LEAVE DO YOU LEAVE DO YOU LEAVE THE ROAD THE ROAD THE ROAD THE ROAD GOING FROM GOING FROM LEADING FROM LEADING FROM PAROWAN TO PAROWAN TO PAROWAN TO PAROWAN TO THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS TO GO TO TO GO TO TO GO TO TO GO TO HARMONY ? A. HARMONY? HARMONY? A. HARMONY WE LEAVE IT WE LEAVE IT WE LEAVE IT WE LEAVE IT TWO AND A TWO AND TWO AND A 2 ½ HALF MILES HALF MILES HALF MILES MILES BELOW CEDAR BELOW CEDAR BELOW CEDAR BELOW CEDAR CITY. Q. THEN IT CITY. THEN IT CITY. Q. THEN IT CITY [[8]] THEN IT IS OFF TO THE IS OFF TO THE IS OFF TO THE IS OFF TO THE LEFT AS YOU LEFT AS YOU LEFT AS YOU LEFT AS YOU ARE GOING ? A. ARE GOING? ARE GOING? A. ARE GOING YES SIR. Q. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. Q. YES SIR [space] WHERE IS WHERE IS WHERE IS WHERE IS PINTO ? PINTO? PINTO? PINTO PINTO IS A. IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A. IT WOULD BE IN IT WOULD BE WITHIN WITHIN WITHIN TEN WITHIN TEN MILES TO WHERE IT SEVEN SEVEN OPENED IT IS 7 MILES OF THE MILES OF THE MILES OF THE MILES TO THE END OF THE NORTH END OF NORTH END OF NORTH END OF MEADOWS THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS WHERE MY WHERE MY WHERE MY WHERE MY RANCH WAS. RANCH WAS. RANCH WAS. RANCH WAS AND 2 OR 3 MILES OVER TO THE MEADOWS Q. Q. PLACE [space] WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE CONDITION OF CONDITION OF CONDITION OF CONDITION OF THE MEADOWS THE MEADOWS THE MEADOWS THE MEADOWS
683. Rogerson’s hand symbol in the left margin.
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AT THAT TIME AT THAT TIME, AT THAT TIME AT THAT TIME WITH REGARD WITH REGARD IN REGARD IN REGARD TO BEING A TO BEING A TO BEING A TO
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MANNER IN MANNER IN MANNER IN MANNER IN WHICH OR BY WHICH, OR BY WHICH, OR BY WHICH OR BY WHOM THE WHOM, THE WHOM, THE WHICH THE MEN HAD MEN HAD MEN HAD [98] MEN HAD BEEN DRAWN BEEN DRAWN BEEN DRAWN BEEN DRAWN INTO THAT INTO THAT INTO THAT INTO THAT MASSACRE MASSACRE? MASSACRE? MASSACRE BEEN DRAWN INTO THAT IF IF IF MASSACRE? IF HE DID WILL HE DID, WILL HE DID WILL HE DID WILL YOU STATE ALL YOU STATE ALL YOU STATE ALL YOU STATE ALL HE SAID IN HE SAID, IN ALL HE SAID IN ALL HE SAID IN YOUR OWN YOUR OWN YOUR OWN YOUR OWN WAY ? A. IT WAS WAY? IT WAS WAY? A. IT WAS WAY? IT WAS A LONG WHILE A LONG WHILE A LONG WHLE A LONG WHILE AGO BUT I AGO, BUT I AGO, BUT I AGO BUT I RECOLLECT HIM RECOLLECT HIM RECOLLECT HIS RECOLLECT HIS TELLING ME TELLING TELLING TELLING THAT THERE ME THAT THERE ME THAT THERE ME THAT THERE WERE WHITE WERE WHITE WAS WHITE WAS WHITE MEN THERE MEN THERE, MEN THERE, MEN THERE AND THAT THEY AND THAT THEY AND THAT THEY AND THAT THEY DIDN’T KNOW DIDN’T KNOW DIDN’T KNOW DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THEY WHAT THEY WHAT THEY WHAT THEY WERE GOING WERE GOING WERE GOING WAS GOING FOR FOR THERE FOR FOR UNTIL THEY UNTIL THEY UNTIL THEY UNTIL THEY GOT THERE GOT THERE, GOT THERE; GOT THERE AND THAT AND AND AND SOME WOULD SOME WOULD SOME WOULD SOME WOULD NOT ACT AND NOT ACT AND NOT ACT AND NOT ACT AND SOME WOULD. SOME WOULD. SOME WOULD. SOME WOULD Q. WHAT DO WHAT DO Q. WHAT DO [space] WHAT DO YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE DISPOSITION OF DISPOSITION OF DISPOSITION OF DISPOSITION OF THE PROPERTY THE PROPERTY THE PROPERTY THE PROPERTY OF THOSE OF THOSE OF THOSE OF THOSE EMIGRANTS ? EMIGRANTS? EMIGRANTS? EMIGRANTS A. THERE WAS THERE WAS A. THERE WAS THERE WAS NONE ON THE NONE ON THE NONE ON ETHE NONE ON THE MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS WHEN I GOT WHEN I GOT WHEN I GOT WHEN I GOT
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THERE THAT I THERE, THAT I HOME, THAT I HOME THAT I SAW. I SAW SAW. I SAW SAW. I SAW SAW I MET TWO OR THREE TWO OR THREE TWO 2 YOUNG MEN YOUNG MEN YOUNG MEN YOUNG MEN DRIVING TWO DRIVING TWO DRIVING TWO DRIVING 2 OR THREE OR THREE OR THREE OR 3 HUNDRED HUNDRED HUNDRED HUNDRED HEAD OF HEAD OF HEARD OF HEAD OF CATTLE, GOING CATTLE, GOING CATTLE, GOING CATTLE GOING TO THE IRON TO THE IRON TO THE IRON TO THE IRON SPRINGS. SPRINGS. SPRINGS. SPRINGS AFTERWARDS I AFTERWARDS I AFTERWARDS I AFTERWARDS I SAW THEM ON SAW THEM ON SAW THEM ON SAW THEM ON THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY RANGE — THAT RANGE—THAT RANGE—THAT RANGE THAT DROVE OF DROVE OF DROVE OF DROVE OF TEXAS CATTLE. TEXAS CATTLE. TEXAN CATTLE? TEXAN CATTLE Q. WHOSE WHOSE Q. WHOS [space] WHOSE RANGE WAS RANGE WAS RANGE WAS RANGE WAS THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY RANGE ? A. IT RANGE? IT RANGE? A. IT RANGE BELONGED TO BELONGED TO BELONGED TO BELONGED TO THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY SETTLEMENT, SETTLEMENT— SETTLEMENT. SETTLEMENT Q. WHO USED WHO USED THE THE IT? A. ALL THE IT ALL THE CITIZENS OF CITIZENS OF CITIZENS OF CITIZENS OF HARMONY. Q. HARMONY. [365] HARMONY. Q. HARMONY [[9]] DO YOU KNOW DO YOU KNOW DO YOU KNOW DO YOU KNOW OF MR. LEE OF MR. LEE OF MR. LEE OF MR. LEE USING ANY OF USING ANY OF USING ANY OF USING ANY OF THOSE CATTLE THOSE CATTLE, THOSE CATTLE, THOSE CATTLE [space] OR BUTCHERING BUTCHERING BUTCHERING
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BISHOP: TO BISHOP—TO BISHOP: [space] BISHOP SAVE TIME AND SAVE TIME AND DEFENSE TROUBLE WE TROUBLE, WE WE
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WILL BE NO WILL BE NO WILL BE NO WILL BE NO QUESTION. QUESTION. QUESTION. QUESTION WE WILL WE WILL WE WILL [space] WE WILL NEVER ARGUE NEVER ARGUE NOT ARGUE NOT ARGUE BEFORE ANY BEFORE ANY BEFORE ANY BEFORE ANY COURT THAT COURT THAT COURT THAT COURT THAT THERE HAS NOT THERE HAS NOT THERE HAS NOT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A KILLING BEEN A KILLING BEEN A KILLING BEEN A KILLING AS CHARGED IN AS CHARGED IN AS CHARGED IN AS CHARGED IN THE THE THE THE INDICTMENT, INDICTMENT, INDICTMENT , INDICTMENT EXCEPT THAT EXCEPT THAT EXCEPT THAT EXCEPT WE WILL WE WILL WE WILL WE WILL ALWAYS ARGUE ALWAYS ARGUE ALWAYS CLAIM ALWAYS CLAIM THAT [120] THIS THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE DEFENDANT DEFENDANT DEFENDA NT DEFENDANT DID NOT DO IT. DID NOT DO IT. DID NOT DO IT. DID NOT DO IT Q. [94] Q. [space] WANT TO CALLING YOUR CALLING YOUR CALLING YOUR CALL YOUR ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION BACK TO THAT BACK TO THAT BACK TO THAT BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION, CONVERSATION CONVERSATION I WILL ASK YOU I WILL ASK YOU I WILL ASK YOU AND ASK YOU TO TELL THE TO TELL THE TO TELL THE TO TELL THE COURT AND COURT AND COURT AND COURT AND JURYN IN YOUR JURY, IN YOUR JURY, IN YOUR JURY IN YOUR OWN WAY OWN WAY, OWN WAY, OWN WAY WHAT MR. LEE WHAT MR. LEE WHAT MR. LEE WHAT MR. LEE TOLD YOU IN TOLD YOU IN TOLD YOU IN TOLD YOU IN REGARD TO HIS REGARD TO HIS REGARD TO HIS REGARD TO HIS PERSONAL PERSONAL PERSONAL PERSONAL PARTICIPATION PARTICIPATION PARTICIPATION PARTICIPATION IN THAT IN THAT IN THE IN THAT KILLING, IF HE KILLING, IF HE KILLING IF HE KILLING IF HE TOLD YOU TOLD YOU TOLD YOU TOLD YOU ANYTHING ? A. ANYTHING? ANYTHING? A. ANYTHING? WELL, I BELIEVE WELL, I BELIEVE WELL, I BELIEVE WELL I BELIEVE I TOLD IT HERE I TOLD IT HERE I TOLFD IT HERE I TOLD IT HERE YESTERDAY YESTERDAY— YESTERDAY — YESTERDAY THAT HE SPOKE THAT HE SPOKE THAT HE SPOKE THAT HE SPOKE OF OF OF THEIR BEING OF THERE BEING WHITE MEN WHITE MEN WHITE MEN WHITE MEN BEING BEING BEING ENGAGED IN IT ENGAGED IN IT, ENGAGED IN IT, ENGAGED IN IT
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AND THAT AND THAT AND THAT AND THAT HE HE HE HE/THEY[?]684 MADE AN MADE AN MADE AN MADE AN ATTACK AT ATTACK AT ATTACK AT ATTACK AT DAY-LIGHT; DAYLIGHT; DAYLIGHT; DAYLIGHT THAT HE COULD THAT HE COULD THAT HE COULD THAT HE COULD NOT KEEP THE NOT KEEP THE NOT KEEP THE NOT KEEP THE INDIANS BACK, INDIANS BACK. INDIANS BACK. INDIANS BACK THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY [space] THEY ROUSED TO RAISED SUCH A PITCH — SUCH PITCH SO MAD SO MAD SO MAD SO MAD AT HIM BECAUSE ONE BECAUSE ONE BECAUSE ONE BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR MEN OF THEIR MEN OF THEIR MEN OF THE MEN GOT GOT HAD GOT GOT KILLED AND KILLED, AND KILLED, AND KILLED AND ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER WOUNDED. WOUNDED, WOUNDED, WOUNDED THAT HE LED THAT HE LED THAT HE LED THAT HE LED THE ATTACK THE ATTACK THE ATTACHK THE ATTACK ON AND GOT AND GOT AND GOT PARTY AND GOT A BULLET A BULLET A BULLETT A BULLET THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS HAT AND HAT AND HAT AND HAT AND ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS SHIRT. SHIRT. SHIRT. . SHIRT ~ [space] THE TALK THE TALK THE ATTACK THE ATTACK WAS WAS WAS WAS SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. LIKE THIS: LIKE THIS: LIKE THIS THEY THEY THAT WHEN HE THAT WHEN HE WENT OUT WENT OUT WENT OUT WENT OUT THERE TO THERE TO TO TO WATCH THE WATCH THE WATCH THE WATCH THE EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS AND SEE THAT AND SEE THAT THAT THAT THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD NOT GET THEIR NOT GET THEIR NOT GET THEIR NOT GET AN OUTFIT FROM OUTFIT FROM OUTFIT FROM OUTFIT FROM THE OUTLYING THE OUTLYING OUTLYING OUTLYING SETTLEMENTS; SETTLEMENTS; STETTLEMENTS; SETTLEMENTS
684. The symbol is a small dash that could mean either “HE” or “THEY”.
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THAT THE THAT THE . THAT THE THAT THE INDIANS MADE INDIANS MADE INDIANS MADE INDIANS MADE THE ATTACK AT THE ATTACK AT AN ATTACK AT AN ATTACK AT DAY-LIGHT AND DAYLIGHT, AND DAYLIGHT, DAYLIGHT ONE OF THEM ONE OF THEM [space] — GOT KILLED GOT KILLED AND ANOTHER AND ANOTHER WOUNDED,AND WOUNDED, AND AND THAT RAISED THAT RAISED THAT RAISED RAISED THEIR TEMPER THEIR TEMPER THEIR TEMPERS THEIR TEMPER TO SUCH A TO SUCH A TO SUCH A TO SUCH A PITCH THAT PITCH THAT PITCH THAT PITCH THAT THEY WENT FOR THEY WENT FOR THEY WENT FOR THEY WENT FOR HIM AND HIM AND HIM AND HIM AND COMPELLED COMPELLED COMPELLED COMPELLED HIM TO LEAD HIM TO LEAD HIM TO LEAD HIM TO LEAD THE ATTACK, THE ATTACK, THE ATTACK, THE ATTACK WHICH HE WHICH HE WHICH HE [[10]] WHICH HE DID ONCE OR DID ONCE OR DID ONCE OR DID ONCE OR TWICE — ONCE TWICE —ONCE TWICE — ONCE TWICE ONCE ANYWAY — ANYWAY—AND ANYWAY— AND ANYWAY AND GOT THE GOT THE GOT A GOT A BULLET BULLET BULLET BULLET THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS HAT AND ONE HAT AND ONE HAT AND ONE HAT AND ONE THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS SHIRT. SHIRT. SHIRT. TTAHAT SHIRT THE EMIGRANTS THE EMIGRANTS THE EMIGRANTS WERE SO WERE SO WERE SO WAS SO STRONGLY STRONGLY STRONGLY SEVERELY TRENCHED ENTRENCHED ENTRENCHED ENTRENCHED ENTRENCHED THEY COULD THEY COULD THEY COULD THEY COULD DO DO NOT FDO NOT DO NOTHING NOTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING WITH THEM. WITH THEM. WITH THEM. WITH THEM AND AND AND AND AFTERWARDS AFTERWARDS AFTERWARDS AFTERWARDS THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WAS THEY WAS UNDER THE UNDER THE UNDER THE UNDER NECESSITY OF NECESSITY OF NECESSITY OF NECESSITY OF DECOYING DECOYING DECOYING DECOYING THEM OUT WITH THEM OUT WITH THEM OUT WITH THEM OUT WITH A FLAG OF A FLAG OF A FLAG OF FLAG OF
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TRUCE; AND TRUCE. AND TRUCE.. AND TRUCE THEY CAME THEY CAME THEY CAME CAME ALONG IN THE ALONG IN THE ALONG THE ALONG IN THE MEADOWS TO MEADOWS TO MEADOWN TO MEADOWS TO WHERE THE WHERE THE WHERE THE WHERE THE INDIANS WERE INDIANS WERE INDIANS WAS INDIANS WAS LYING IN LYING IN LYING IN LYING IN AMBUSH AND AMBUSH, AND AMBUSH AND AMBUSH AND THEY ROSE UP THEY ROSE UP THEY ROSE UP THEY ROSE UP AND AND AND AND MASSACRED MASSACRED MASSACRED MASSACRED THEM. THE THEM. THE THEM. THE THEM THE EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS WERE WERE WAS WAS UNARMED. UNARMED. UNARMED. UNARMED. Q. TELL TELL Q. TELL [space] TELL WHAT ELSE WHAT ELSE WHQT ELSE WHAT ELSE HE TOLD YOU ? HE TOLD YOU? HE TOLD YOU? LEE685 TOLD A. WELL HE WELL, HE A. WELL, HE YOU WELL HE SPOKE OF MANY SPOKE OF MANY SPOKE OF MANY SPOKE OF MANY LITTLE LITTLE LITTLE LITTLE INCIDENTS. Q. INCIDENTS. INCIDENTS. Q. INCIDENTS MENTION ANY MENTION ANY MENTION ANY OF THOSE OF THOSE OF THOSE INCIDENTS ? INCIDENTS? INCIDENTS? WAS THERE ANY UNDERSTANDIN G WITH THE CHARACTERS? AS TO RULES OF ALL[?] ONLY THEY WAS ALL[?] [space] A. THERE WERE THERE WERE A. THERE WAS THERE WAS TWO YOUNG TWO YOUNG TWO YOUNG TWO YOUNG LADIES LADIES LADIES LADIES BROUGHT BROUGHT BROUGHT BROUGHT OUT. [121] Q. OUT. OURT. Q. OUT [space] WHO BY ? A. WHOM BY? BY WHOM? A. WHO BY BY AN INDIAN BY AN INDIAN BY AN INDIAN BY AN INDIAN
685. The original shorthand reads “LS”, the symbol for “ELSE”; however, the “S” is crossed out, rendering the symbol “L” for “LEE”.
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CHIEF AT CHIEF AT CHIEF ZAT CHIEF AT CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY, CEDAT CITY, CEDAR CITY AND HE ASKED AND HE ASKED AND HE ASKED AND ASKED HIM WHAT [366] HIM WHAT HIM WHAT HIM WHAT HE SHOULD DO HE SHOULD DO HE SHOULD DO HE SHOULD DO WITH WITH WITH HIM WITH THEM, AND THE THEM, AND THE THEM, AND THE THEM AND THE INDIAN KILLED INDIAN KILLED INDIAN KILLED INDIAN KILLED ONE AND HE ONE AND HE ONE AND HE ONE AND HE KILLED THE KILLED THE KILLED THE KILLED THE OTHER. OTHER. OTHER. OTHER [space] Q. TELL THE TELL THE Q. TELL THE TELL THE STORY AS HE STORY AS HE STORY AS HE STORY AS HE TOLD YOU ? TOLD YOU. TOLD YOU? [95] TOLD YOU A. THAT IS THAT IS A. THAT IS [space] THAT IS ABOUT IT. Q. ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT . Q. ABOUT IT [space] WHERE WERE WHERE WERE WHERE WERE WHERE WERE THOSE YOUNG THOSE YOUNG THO SE YOUNG THOSE YOUNG GIRLS GIRLS WOMEN WOMEN BROUGHT BROUGHT BROUGHT BROUGHT WAS FROM DID HE FROM—DID HE FROM, DUID HE IT FROM DID HE SAY ? SAY? SAY? SAY [space] A. FROM A FROM A A. FROM A FROM A THICKET OF THICKET OF THICKET OF THICKET OF OAK-BRUSH OAK BRUSH, OAK BROSH, OAK BRUSH WHERE THEY WHERE THEY WHERE THEY WHERE[?] THEY WERE WERE WERE WERE CONCEALED, IT CONCEALED. IT CONCEALED. IT CONCEALED IT WAS AN INDIAN WAS AN INDIAN WAS AN INDIAN WAS AN INDIAN CHIEF FROM CHIEF FROM CHIEF OF CHIEF OF CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY BROUGHT [space] THEM OUT. Q. Q. TELL JUST TELL JUST TELL JUST TELL JUST WHAT HE SAID WHAT HE SAID WHAT HE SAID WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THAT ? ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT? ABOUT THAT SAY ABOUT HOW YOUNG[?] THEY WAS HOW THEY WERE KILLED WHAT THEY DID AND A. THE THE A. THE SAID [space] INDIAN KILLED INDIAN KILLED INDIAN SHOT INDIAN SHOT
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ONE AND HE ONE AND HE ONE AND HE ONE AND HE CUT THE CUT THE CUT THE CUT THE OTHER ONES OTHER ONE’S OTHERS OTHERS THROAT IS THROAT, IS THROUAT, IS THROAT IS WHAT HE SAID. WHAT HE SAID. WHAT HE SAID. WHAT HE SAID Q. WHO CUT WHO CUT Q. WHO CUT [space] WHO CUT THE OTHERS THE OTHER’S THE OTHERS THE OTHERS THROAT ? THROAT? THROAT? THROAT [space] A. MR. MR. A. LEE A. MR. MR. LEE. LEE. LEE. Q. LEE [space] Q. TELL ME TELL ME TELLL ME TELL ME WHAT MR. LEE WHAT MR. LEE WHAT MR. LEE WHAT MR LEE SAID, STATE SAID; STATE SAID;X SAID THE THE THE THE CIRCUMSTANCE CIRCUMSTANCE CIRCUMSTANCE CIRCUMSTANCE S OF THAT S OF THAT S OF THAT S OF THAT KILLING, KILLING, KILLING WERE KILLING WERE WHAT WHAT —THE WHAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION PASSED PASSED THAT PASSED PASSED BETWEEN THAT BETWEEN THAT BETWEEN THE BETWEEN THE INDIAN CHIEF INDIAN CHIEF INDIAN CHIEF INDIAN CHIEF AND LEE AND AND LEE, AND AND LEE, AND AND THE THE THE HIM [space] AND CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE BETWEEN THE BETWEEN THE BETWEEN THE WOMAN AND WOMAN AND WOMAN AND WOMEN AND HIMSELF ? A. I HIMSELF? I HIMSELF. A. I HIMSELF [[11]] I DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW THAT I COULD. THAT I COULD. THAT I COULD. THAT I COULD Q. TELL ALL TELL AL L Q. TELL ALL [space] TELL ALL YOU CAN YOU CAN YOU HEARD HEARD AND REMEMBER REMEMBER AND REMEMBER REMEMBER OF ABOUT IT — ABOUT IT; ABOUT IT. IT YOU SAY THE YOU SAY THE YOU SAY THE YOU SAY THE CHIEF BROUGHT CHIEF BROUGHT CHIEF BROUGHT CHIEF BROUGHT IN THE GIRLS ? HIM THE GIRLS. HIM THE GIRLS? HIM THE GIRLS A. I THINK SIR, I I THINK I A. I THINK I I THINK I HAVE TOLD IT HAVE TOLD IT HAVE TOLD IT HAVE TOLD IT ABOUT ALL. Q. ABOUT ALL. ABOUT ZALL. Q. ABOUT ALL [space] GO OVER IT GO OVER IT GO OVER IT GO OVER IT AGAIN — TELL AGAIN; TELL AGAIN; TELL AGAIN TELL US THE US ALL THE US ALLL THE US ALL THE
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DETAILS OF THE DETAILS OF THE DETAILS OF THE DETAILS OF THE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION OF THE OF THE OF THE KILLING ? A. KILLING. KILLING? A. KILLING? WELL HE SAID WELL, HE SAID WELL, HE SAID WELL HE SAID THEY THEY THEY AFTER THEY WERE ALL WERE ALL WERE ALL WAS ALL KILLED;—ALL KILLED—ALL, KILLED—ALL KILLED ALL AS HE AS HE AS HE AS HE SUPPOSED. SUPPOSED; SUPPOSED. SUPPOSED THAT THE CHIEF THAT THE CHIEF THAT THE CHIEF THAT THE CHIEF AT CEDAR CITY OF CEDAR CITY OF CEDAR CITY OF CEDAR CITY THEN BROUGHT THEN BROUGHT BROUGHT BROUGHT OUT THE OUT THE OUT TWO OUT TWO YOUNG LADIES. YOUNG LADIES. YOUNG LADIES. YOUNG LADIES [122] Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT DID HE SAY THE DID HE SAY THE DID HE SAY THE DID HE SAY THE CHIEF SAID TO CHIEF SAID TO CHIEF SAID TO CHIEF SAID TO HIM ? A. HIM? HIM? A. HIM [space] ASKED WHAT ASKED WHAT ASKED WHAT ASKED WHAT HE SHOULD DO HE SHOULD DO HE SHOULD DO HE SHOULD DO WITH THEM. WITH THEM. WITH THEM. WITH THEM Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT ELSE DID THE ELSE DID THE ELSE DID THE ELSE DID THE CHIEF SAY ? A. CHIEF SAY? CHIEF SAY? A. CHIEF SAY HE SAID HE SAID THE CHIEF SAID CHIEF THOUGHT THEY DIDN’T THEY DIDN’T THEY DIDN’T THEY DIDN’T OUGHT TO OUGHT TO OUTGHT TO OUGHT TO BE KILLED. BE KILLED. BE KILLED. BE KILLED Q. DID DID Q. WHY DID [space] WHY DID THE CHIEF SAY THE CHIEF SAY THE CHIEF SAY THE CHIEF SAY TO LEE WHY TO LEE WHY TO LEE THAT TO LEE THAT THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD NOT BE KILLED NOT BE KILLED? NOT BE KILLED? NOT BE KILLED ? A. WELL HE WELL, HE A. WELL, HE WELL HE SAID THEY SAID THEY SAID THEY SAID THEY WERE PRETTY WERE PRETTY WAS PRETTY WAS PRETTY AND HE AND HE AND HE AND HE WANTED TO WANTED TO WANTED TO WANTED TO SAVE THEM. Q. SAVE THEM. SAVE THEM. Q. SAVE THEM WHAT WHAT WHAT [space] WHAT DID HE TELL DID HE TELL DID LEE TELL DID LEE TELL YOU THAT HE YOU THAT HE YOU THAT HE YOU THAT HE SAID TO THE SAID TO THE REPLIED TO THE REPLIED TO THE
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CHIEF ? A. CHIEF? CHIEF? A. CHIEF ACCORDING TO ACCORDING TO ACCORDNING ACCORDING TO THE ORDERS THE ORDERS TO THE ORDERS THE ORDERS THAT HE HAD THAT HE HAD THAT HE HAD THAT HE HAD THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY WERE TOO OLD WERE TOO OLD WAS TOO BIG WAS TOO BIG AND TOO BIG AND TOO BIG AND TOO OLD AND OLD TO LET LIVE. TO LET LIVE. TO LET LIVE. TO LET LIVE Q. THEN THEN Q. THEN [space] THEN WHAT DID HE WHAT DID HE WHAT DID HE WHAT DID HE SAY TOOK SAY TOOK SAY TOOK SAY TOOK PLACE — WHAT PLACE—WHAT PLACE, WHAT PLACE WHAT DID HE SAY HE DID HE SAY HE DID HE SAY HE DID HE SAY HE TOLD THE TOLD THE TOLD THE [96] TOLD THE CHIEF TO DO ? CHIEF TO DO? CHIEF TO DO? CHIEF TO DO A. THE THE A. THE [space] THE CHIEF SHOT ONE CHIEF SHOT ONE CHIEF SHOT ONE CHIEF SHOT ONE OF THEM. Q. OF THEM. OF THEM. Q. OF THEM [space] DID HE SAY HE DID HE SAY HE DID HE SAY HE DID HE SAY HE TOLD THE CHIEF TOLD THE CHIEF TOLD HIM TOLD HIM TO SHOOT HER ? TO SHOOT HER? TO SHOOT HER? TO SHOOT HER A. HE SAID HE HE SAID HE A. HE SAID HE [space] SAID HE TOLD HIM TO. TOLD HIM TO. TOLD HIM TO. TOLD HIM TO Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT DID HE SAY THE DID HE SAY THE DID HE SAY THE DID HE SAY THE GIRL DID GIRL DID GIRL DID GIRL THAT DID WHEN HE TOLD WHEN HE TOLD WHEN HE TOLD WHEN HE TOLD THE CHIEF TO THE CHIEF TO THE CHIEF TO THE CHIEF TO SHOOT HER ? A. I SHOOT HER? I SHOOT HER? A. I SHOOT HER? I DON’T KNOW. DON’T KNOW. DON’T KNOW? DON’T KNOW Q. DID SHE DID SHE Q. DID SHE DID SHE COVER HER COVER HER COVER HER COVER HER FACE ? A. NO, FACE? NO; FACE? A. NO, FACE [space] NO HE DIDN’T SAY HE DIDN’T SAY HE DIDN’T SAY HE DIDN’T SAY SHE COVERED SHE COVERED SHE COVERED SHE COVERED HER FACE. Q. HER FACE. HER FACE. Q. HER FACE DID HE SAY SHE DID HE SAY SHE DID HE SAY SHE DID HE SAY SHE PULLED HER PULLED HER PULLED HER PULLED HER BONNET DOWN BONNET DOWN BONNET BONNET DOWN OVER HER OVER HER OVER HER OVER S[?] FACE ? A. HE FACE? HE FACE? A. HE FACE LEE DIDN’T TELL ME DIDN’T TELL ME DIDN’T TELL ME DIDN’T TELL ME SO. Q. WHO DID SO. WHO DID SO. Q. WHO DID SO [[12]] WHO DID HE SAY WERE HE SAY WERE HE SAY WAS HE SAY WAS
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BYE WHEN BY WHEN BY WHEN BY WHEN THAT SHOOTING THAT SHOOTING THAT SHOOTING THAT SHOOTING TOOK PLACE ? TOOK PLACE? TOOK PLACE? TOOK PLACE A. INDIANS INDIANS A. THE INDIANS [space] INDIANS STANDING STANDING STANDING STANDING AROUND, A ROUND—A AROUND — A AROUND GOOD MANY. GOOD MANY. GOOD MANY.. GOOD MANY. Q. AFTER AFTER Q. AFTER [space] AFTER THE CHIEF SHOT THE CHIEF SHOT THE CHIEF SHOT THE CHIEF SHOT THAT ONE DID THAT ONE DID THAT ONE DID THAT ONE DID HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT THE OTHER ONE OTHER ONE OTHER ONE OTHER ONE SAID OR DID TO SAID OR DID TO SAID OR DID TO SAID OR DID TO HIM, LEE ? A. I HIM, LEE? I HIM, LEE? A. I HIM LEE I DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK MR. LEE DID MR. LEE DID MR. LEE DID MR. LEE DID TELL ME. [123] TELL ME. [367] TELL ME. TELL ME [space] Q. DID HE TELL DID HE TELL Q. DID HE TELL DID HE TELL YOU HIMSELF YOU HIMSELF YOU HIMSELF YOU HIMSELF HE KILLED WHO KILLED WHO DID KILL WHO KILLED THE OTHER THE OTHER THE OTHER THE OTHER ONE ? ONE? ONE, THE OTHER ONE THE OTHER YOUNG YOUNG A. I I WOMAN? A. I WOMAN I TOLD YOU THAT TOLD YOU THAT TOLD YOU THAT UNDERSTOOD HE SAID IT HE SAID IT HE SAID IT HIM IT WAS A WAS A SWAS A WAS A CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY CHIEF THAT CHIEF THAT CHIEF THAT CHIEF KILLED ONE. KILLED ONE. KILLED ONE. KILLED ONE Q. WHO WHO Q. WHO [space] WHO KILLED THE KILLED THE KILLED THE KILLED THE OTHER ? A. HE OTHER? HE OTHER? A. HE OTHER HE DID, HE DID IT, HE DONE IT, HE DONE IT HE SAID. Q. SAID. SAID. Q. SAID [space] HOW ? A. HE HOW? HE HOW? A. HE HOW [space] HE THREW HER THREW HER THREW HER THREW HER DOWN AND CUT DOWN AND CUT DOWN AND CUT DOWN AND CUT HER THROAT. Q. HER THROAT. HER THROAT. Q. HER THROAT DID HE DID HE DID HE [space] DID HE TELL YOU TELL YOU TELL YOU TELL YOU WHAT
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A. NO. Q. NO. A. NO. Q. [space] NO [space] WHO DID TELL WHO DID TELL WHO DID TELL WHO DID TELL YOU THAT ? A. YOU THAT? YOU THAT? A. YOU THAT? THE INDIANS THE INDIANS THE INDIANS THE INDIANS TOLD ME A TOLD ME A TOLD ME A TOLD ME GOOD MANY GOOD MANY GOOD MANY GOOD MANY THINGS. THINGS. THINGS. THINGS [space] Q. DIDN’T MR. DIDN’T MR. Q. DIDN’T LMR. DIDN’T MR LEE TELL YOU LEE TELL YOU LEE TELL YOU LEE TELL YOU THAT SHE TOLD THAT SHE TOLD THAT SHE TOLD THAT SHE TOLD HIM TO SPARE HIM TO SPARE HIM TO SPARE HIM TO SPARE HER LIFE AND HER LIFE, AND HER LIFE, & HER LIFE SHE SHE THAT SHE THAT SHE WOULD LOVE WOULD LOVE WOULD SERVE WOULD SERVE HIM AS LONG AS HIM AS LONG AS HIM AS LONG AS HIM AS LONG AS SHE LIVED ? SHE LIVED? SHE LIVED? [97] SHE LIVED A. LEE LEE A. MR. LEE [space] MR. LEE DIDN’T TELL ME DIDN’T TELL ME DIDN’T TELL ME DIDN’T TELL ME THAT. THAT. THAT. THAT. [space] Q. DID YOU DID YOU Q. DID YOU DID YOU ASCERTAIN IN ASCERTAIN IN ASCERTAIN IN ASCERTAIN IN THAT THAT THAT THAT CONVERSATION, CONVERSATION, CONVER CONVERSATION OR OR SATION, OR OR SUBSEQUENTLY, SUBSEQUENTLY, SUBSEQUENTLY, SUBSEQUENTLY WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY WERE KILLED ? WERE KILLED? WERE KILLED? WERE KILLED A. WHEN I GOT WHEN I GOT A. WHEN I GOT WHEN I GOT HOME I ASKED HOME I ASKED HOME I ASKED HOME I ASKED MY INDIAN BOY MY INDIAN BOY, MY INDIAN BOY, AN INDIAN BOY AND HE AND HE AND HE WE ~ AND HE WENT OUT TO WENT OUT TO WENT OUT TO WENT OUT TO WHERE THIS WHERE THIS WHERE THIS WHERE THIS TOOK PLACE TOOK PLACE, TOOK PLACE TOOK PLACE AND HE AND HE AND HE WE AND THERE SAW TWO SAW TWO SAW TWO WAS TWO YOUNG LADIES YOUNG LADIES YOUNG LZADIES YOUNG LADIES LYING THERE LYING THERE LYING THERE LYING THERE WITH THEIR WITH THEIR WITH THEIR WITH THEIR THROATS CUT. THROATS CUT. THROATS CUT. THROATS CUT. Q. HOW HOW Q. HOW [space] HOW OLD OLD WAS HE ? OLD WAS HE? OLD WAS HE? WAS HE A. SIXTEEN OR SIXTEEN OR A. 16 OR 16 OR
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SEVENTEEN. SEVENTEEN. 18. 18 [space] Q. WHAT WAS WHAT WAS Q. WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE CONDITION THE CONDITION THE CONDITION THE CONDITION OF THOSE OF THOSE OF THOSE OF THOSE BODIES ? A. BODIES? BODIES? A. BODIES THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WAS THEY WAS RATHER IN A RATHER IN A RATHER IN A RATHER IN A PUTRID STATE PUTRID STATE; PUTRID STATE. PUTRID STATE —THEIR THEIR THEIR [space] THEIR THROATS WERE THROATS WERE THROATS WERE THROATS WAS CUT; I DIDN’T CUT; I DIDN’T CUT; I DIDN’T CUT I DIDN’T LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK FURTHER FURTHER FUTRTHER FURTHER THAN THAT. THAN THAT. THAN THAT. THAN THAT. Q. Q. [space] [[13]] WHAT WHAT ABOTUT WHAT ABOUT WHAT WERE THEIR WERE THEIR WAS THEIR WAS THEIR AGES ? A. AGES? AGES? A. I AGES LOOKED ABOUT LOOKED ABOUT LOOKED ABOUT LOOKED TO BE FOURTEEN OR FOURTEEN OR 14 OR 14 OR FIFTEEN [124] Q. FIFTEEN. 15. Q. 15 [space] STATE AT WHAT POINT AT WHAT POINT AT WHAT POINT WHAT POINT WERE THEIR WERE THEIR WERE THEIR WERE THE BODIES FROM BODIES FROM BODIES FROM BODIES FROM THE OTHERS ? . THE OTHERS? THE OTHERS? THE OTHERS A. A. IN A A SOUTHEAST SOUTH-EAST SOUTH EAST SOUTH EAST DIRECTION DIRECTION, DIRECTION, DIRECTION TOWARDS SOME TOWARDS SOME TOWARDS SOME TOWARDS SOME THICKETS OF THICKETS OF THICKETS OF THICKETS OF OAK. Q. HOW OAK. HOW OAK. Q. HOW OAK [space] HOW FAR OFF ? A. FAR OFF? FAR OFF? A. FAR OFF ABOUT FIFTY ABOUT FIFTY ABOUT 50 50 YARDS. Q. YARDS. YARDS. Q. YARDS [space] WERE THOSE WERE THOSE WERE THOSE WERE THOSE BODIES UP A BODIES UP A BODIES UP A BODIES UP A LITTLE RAVINE LITTLE RAVINE, LITTLE RAVINE LITTLE RAVINE A LITTLE WAYS A LITTLE WAY? A LITTLE WAY? A LITTLE WAYS ? A. YES, ON A YES, ON A A. YES, ON A YES ON A RISE OF RISE OF RAISE OF RISE OF GROUND. Q. GROUND. GROUND. Q. GROUND WHAT WERE WHAT WERE WHAT WERE WHAT WERE THEIR AGES, THEIR AGES, THEIR AGES THEIR AGES ABOUT ? ABOUT? ABOUT ? A. 13 ABOUT? I
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TO 15, I SHOULD WOULD JUDGE SUPPOSE FROM A. THIRTEEN TO THIRTEEN TO A. 13 TO 13 TO FIFTEEN I FIFTEEN, I 15, I 15 [space] WOULD WOULD SHOULD SUPPOSE. Q. SUPPOSE. SUPPOSE. Q. DID YOU LEARN DID YOU LEARN DID YOU LEARN DID YOU LEARN FROM FROM FROM FROM ONE OF THE CHILDREN THE CHILDREN, THE CHILDREN THE CHILDREN OR FROM ANY OR FROM ANY OR FROM ANY OR FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE OTHER SOURCE, OTHER SOURCE, OTHER SOURCE THEIR NAMES ? THEIR NAMES? THEIR NAMES? THEIR NAMES? A. WELL I WELL, I A. WELL, I WELL I SUPPOSE I DID. SUPPOSE I DID. SUPPOSE I DID. SUPPOSE I DID Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT NAME ? A. NAME? NAME. A. NAME THERE WAS A THERE WAS A THERE WAS A THERE WAS A LITTLE GIRL AT LITTLE GIRL AT LITTLE GIRL AT LITTLE GIRL AT MY HOUSE I MY HOUSE, I MY HOUSE, I MY HOUSE I FOUND WITH FOUND WITH FOUND WITH FOUND WITH MY FAMILY MY FAMILY MY FAMILY MY FAMILY THAT WAS IN THAT WAS IN THAT WAS IN THAT WAS IN THAT THAT THAT CAMP THAT COMPANY; SHE COMPANY; SHE COMPANY; SHE COMPANY SAID THEIR SAID THEIR SAID THEIR SAID THEIR NAMES WERE NAMES WERE NAMES WAS NAMES WAS DUNLAP. SHE DUNLAP; SHE DUNLAP, SHE DUNLAP SHE CLAIMED TO BE CLAIMED TO BE CLAIMED TO BE CLAIMED TO BE THEIR SISTER. THEIR SISTER. THEIR SISTER. Q. THEIR SISTER Q. HOW OLD HOW OLD HOW OLD [space] HOW OLD WAS SHE ? A. WAS SHE? WAS SHE? [98] A. WAS SHE EIGHT YEARS EIGHT YEARS 8 YEARS 8 YEARS OLD SHE SAID. OLD, SHE SAID. OLD, SHE SAID. OLD SHE SAID. Q. DID YOU DID YOU Q. DID YOU [space] DID YOU GO UP THERE GO UP THERE GO UP THERE GO UP THERE AND FIND AND FIND AND FIND AND FIND THOSE BODIES THOSE BODIES THOSE BODIES THOSE BODIES YOURSELF YOURSELF, YOURSELF YOURSELF WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF ASSISTANCE OF ASSISTANECE ASSISTANCE OF THE INDIAN THE INDIAN OF THE INDIAN THE INDIAN BOY ? A. I BOY? I BOY? A. I BOY I WALKED OVER WALKED OVER WALKED OVER WALKED OVER THE GROUND, THE GROUND, THE GROUND THE GROUND
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LOOKED LOOKED AND LOOKED AND LOOKED AT IT ALL AT IT ALL AT ALL OF THE AT ALL OF THE GROUND GROUND PRETTY MUCH PRETTY MUCH PRETTY MUCH PRETTY MUCH AND SAW AND SAW AND I SAW AND I SAW THESE THESE THOSE BOYS THOSE TWO TWO TWO BOYS. TWO BODIES. Q. BODIES. GIRLS Q. BODIES. [space] HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU WHERE WHERE WHERE ABOUT WHERE THOSE TWO THOSE TWO THOSE TWO THOSE BODIES WERE BODIES WERE BODIES WOULD BODIES WOULD TO BE FOUND TO BE FOUND, BE FOUND BE FOUND DID HE ? A. YES DID HE? YES, DID HE? A. YES, DID HE YES SIR, THE SIR. THE SIR, THE SIR THE OTHERS HAD OTHERS HAD OTHERS HAS OTHERS HAS BEEN BURIED BEEN BURIED BEEN BURIED BEEN BURIED SLIGHTLY, BUT SLIGHTLY, BUT SLIGHTLY, BUT SLIGHTLY BUT THOSE TWO THOSE TWO THOSE TWO THOSE TWO HADN’T BEEN. HADN’T BEEN; HAD NOT BEEN. HAD NOT BEEN THERE WAS THERE WAS THERE WAS ~[?] THERE WAS QUITE A QUITE A QUITE A QUITE A NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER SCATTERING SCATTERING SCATTERED SCATTERED AROUND THERE. AROUND THERE. AROUND THERE. AROUND THERE. [125] Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT BECAME OF THE BECAME OF THE BECAME OF THE BECAME OF THE CHILDREN OF CHILDREN OF CHILDREN OF CHILDREN OF THOSE THOSE THOSE THOSE EMIGRANTS— EMIGRANTS? EMIGRANTS? EMIGRANTS HOW MANY HOW MANY HOW MANY HOW MANY CHILDREN CHILDREN CHILDREN CHILDREN WERE BROUGHT WERE BROUGHT WERE BROUGHT WERE BROUGHT THERE ? A. TWO THERE? TWO THERE? A. TWO THERE TWO TO MY HOUSE TO MY HOUSE, TO MY HOUSE, TO MY HOUSE AND SEVERAL AND SEVERAL AND SEVERAL AND SEVERAL IN CEDAR CITY; N CEDAR CITY. IN CEDAR CITY. IN CEDAR CITY I WAS I WAS I WAS AND I WAS ACTING SUB- ACTING SUB- ACTING AS SUB- ACTING SUB- AGENT FOR AGENT FOR AGENT O FOR AGENT FOR FORNEY. I FORNEY. I FORNEY. I FORNEY I GATHERED GATHERED [368] GATHERED GATHERED THE CHILDREN THE CHILDREN THE CHILDREN THE CHILDREN UP FOR HIM, UP FOR HIM; UP FOR HIM; UP TO HIM
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SEVENTEEN IN SEVENTEEN IN 17 IN 17 IN NUMBER, ALL I NUMBER, ALL I NUMBER, ALL I NUMBER ALL I COULD LEARN COULD LEARN COULD LEARN COULD LEARN OF. OF. OF. ABOUT [space] GATHERED UP Q. 17 [space] [[14]] Q. WHOM DID WHOM DID WHOM DID WHOM DID YOU DELIVER YOU DELIVER TYOU DELIVER YOU DELIVER THEM TO ? THEM TO? THEM TO? THEM TO [space] A. FORNEY, FORNEY, A. FORNEY, FORNEY SUPERINTENDE SUPERINTENDEN SUPERINTENDA SUPERINTENDE NT OF INDIAN T OF INDIAN NT OF INDIAN NT OF INDIAN AFFAIRS FOR AFFAIRS FOR AFFAIRS FOR AFFAIRS FOR UTAH. Q. WERE UTAH. WERE UTAH. Q. WAS UTAH WAS THERE ANY OF THERE ANY OF THERE ANY OF THERE ANY OF THE WAGONS THE WAGONS THE WAGONS THE WAGONS OR OTHER OR OTHER OR OTHER OR PROPERTY PROPERTY PROPERTY PROPERTY BURNED THERE BURNED THERE BURNED THERE BURNED THERE ON THE ON THE ON THE ON THE GROUND ? A. I GROUND? I GROUND. A. I GROUND I NEVER SAW NEVER SAW NEVER SAW NEVER SAW ANY SIGN OF ANY SIGN OF ANY SIGN OF ANY SIGN OF BURNING, I BURNING, AND BURNING, AND BURNING AND NEVER HEARD NEVER HEARD NEVER HEARD NEVER HEARD OF ANY BEING OF ANY BEING OF ANY BEING OF ANY BEING BURNED. BURNED. BURNED. BURNED. [space] CROSS - CROSS- CROSS- CROSS- EXAMINED BY EXAMINED— EXAMINATION., EXAMINATION BISHOP Q. BISHOP: BY BISHOP. Q. [space] WHAT DAY IN WHAT DAY IN WHAT DAY WAS WHAT DAY WAS IT IN THE IN IT IN THE MONTH OF MONTH OF SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER WAS IT THAT WAS IT THAT 1857, THAT 1857 THAT YOU HAD THIS YOU HAD THIS YOU HAD THIS YOU HAD THIS CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. LEE ABOUT LEE, ABOUT LEE, ABOUT LEE ABOUT 7 OR 8 SEVEN OR EIGHT 7 OR 8 7 OR 8 MILES THIS SIDE MILES THIS SIDE MILES THIS SIDE MILES THIS SIDE OF FILLMORE ? OF FILLMORE? OF FILLMORE? OF FILLMORE A. I DON’T I DON’T A. I DON’T I DON’T RECOLLECT THE RECOLLECT THE RECOLLECT THE RECOLLECT THE
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DATE, I LEFT DATE, I LEFT DATE. I LEFT DATE I LEFT THE CITY THE CITY THE CITY THE CITY ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE FOURTEENTH 14TH, 14TH, 14TH AND CAME AND CAME AND CAME AND CAME DIRECTLY DIRECTLY DIRECTLY DIRECTLY THERE. Q. THERE. THERE. Q. THERE [space] WHO WAS WHO WAS WHO WAS WHO WAS PRESENT AT PRESENT AT PRESENT AT PRESENT AT THAT THAT THAT THAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION ? A. A MAN ? A MAN ? A. A MAN [space] A MAN BY THE NAME BY THE NAME BY THE NAME BY THE NAME OF BISHOP. OF BISHOP. OF BISHOP. OF BISHOP Q. THAT WAS THAT WAS Q. THAT WAS [space] IT WAS NOT ME ? A. TH NOT ME? NOT ME? [99] A. NOT ME [space] NO, THAT MAN NO; THAT MAN NO HE NO HE HAD TWO GOOD HAD TWO GOOD HAD TWO GOOD HAD TWO GOOD EYES, AND YOU EYES, AND YOU EYES. EYES [space] HAVE BUT ONE. HAVE BUT ONE. Q. WHAT BISHOP WHAT BISHOP Q. WHAT BISHOP WHAT BISHOP WAS THAT — WAS THAT, WAS THAT, IT WAS THAT IT WAS HE A WAS HE A WAS NOT A WAS A MORMON MORMON MORMON MORMON BISHOP ? A. NO, BISHOP? NO, BISHOP? A. NO, BISHOP HE WAS NOT A HE WAS NOT A HE WAS NOT A NOT A MORMON MORMON MORMON MORMON BISHOP, HE BISHOP; HE BISHOP; HE BISHOP HE WAS A WAS A SAYS WAS A WAS A MERCHANT, MERCHANT. MERCHANT. MERCHANT HE HAD BEEN HE HAD BEEN HE HAD BEEN WHO HAD BEEN HAULING HAULING HAULING HAULING GOODS FROM GOODS FROM GOODS FROM GOODS FROM CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA AND DEALING AND DEALING AND DEALING AND DEALING HERE SOME IN HERE SOME IN HERE SOME IN HERE SOME IN THESE THESE THESE THESE SETTLEMENTS. SETTLEMENTS. SETTLEMENTS. SETTLEMENTS Q. CAN YOU CAN YOU Q. CAN YOU CAN YOU GIVE HIS GIVE ME HIS GIVE ME HIS GIVE ME HIS OTHER NAME ? OTHER NAME? OTHER NAME? OTHER NAME [126] A. NO SIR, I NO, SIR; I A. NO, SIR, I NO SIR I NEVER HEARD NEVER HEARD NEVER HEARD NEVER KNEW IT Q. WAS IT IT. WAS IT IT. Q. WAS IT IT. WAS IT
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JESSE BISHOP ? JESSE BISHOP? JESSE BISHOP? JESSE BISHOP A. I DON’T I DON’T A. I DON’T I DON’T KNOW HIS KNOW HIS KNOW HIS KNOW HIS OTHER NAME. OTHER NAME. OTHER NAME? OTHER NAME Q. LEE TOLD LEE TOLD Q. LEE TOLD [space] LEE TOLD YOU AND THIS YOU AND THIS YOU AND THIS YOU AND THIS MAN BISHOP MAN BISHOP MAN BISHOP MAN BISHOP ALL ABOUT IT, ALL ABOUT IT— ALL ABOUT IT— ALL ABOUT IT GOT YOU GOT YOU GOT YOU GATHERED YOU TWO TWO TWO TWO TOGETHER AND TOGETHER AND TOGETHER AND TOGETHER TOLD YOU TOLD YOU? TOLD YOU ALL DID HE ? A. I I ABOUT IT? A. I I DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK BISHOP HEARD BISHOP HEARD BISHOP HEARD BISHOP HEARD THE THE MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION, CONVERSATION. OR MUCH OF IT. OR MUCH OF IT. MUCH OF IT Q. DID DID Q. DID [space] DID BISHOP HEAR BISHOP HEAR BISHOP HEAR BISHOP HEAR ANY OF IT ? A. I ANY OF IT? I ANY OF IT? A. I ANY OF IT I DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW COULD NOT SAY COULD NOT SAY THAT HE DID THAT HE DID, THAT HE HDID THAT HE DID OR THAT HE OR THAT HE OR OR DIDN’T. Q. DIDN’T. DIDN’T. Q. DIDN’T [space] THEN WHY DID THEN WHY DID THEN WHY DID THEN WHY DID YOU SAY THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU SAY YOU SAY HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD AND AND THIS MAN AND THIS MAN AND THIS MAN [space] I I DID BISHOP ? BISHOP? BISHOP? NOT SAY A. I SAID HE I SAID HE A. I SAID HE I SAID HE WAS THERE. WAS THERE. WAS THERE. WAS THERE Q. YOU HEARD YOU HEARD Q. YOU HEARD —/YOU[?] HEARD THE THE THE THE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION ? A. YES, I ? YES, I ? A. YES, I YES I HEARD IT, BUT I HEARD IT; BUT I HEARD IT; BUT I HEARD IT BUT I DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DIDN’T KNOW DIDN’T KNOW AS ANY OTHER AS ANY OTHER AS ANY OTHER AS ANY OTHER MAN HEARD IT. MAN HEARD IT. MAN HEARD IT. MAN HEARD IT Q. BUT THERE THERE Q. THERE [[15]] THERE WAS A MAN WAS A MAN WAS A MAN WAS A MAN PRESENT PRESENT PRESESYNT BY PRESENT BY THE NAME BY THE NAME THE NAME OF BY THE NAME
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OF BISHOP ? A. OF BISHOP? BISHOP? A. OF BISHOP HE WAS IN THE HE WAS IN THE HE WAS IN THE WAS IN THE SAME CAMP. Q. SAME CAMP. SAME CAMP. Q. SAME CAMP WHERE WHERE WHERE ABOUTS WHERE ABOUTS WERE YOU AT WERE YOU AT WERE YOU AT WERE YOU AT THE TIME THIS THE TIME THIS THE TIME THAT THE TIME THAT THAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE ? TOOK PLACE? TOOK PLACE. TOOK PLACE A. I WAS FIVE I WAS FIVE A. I WAS 5 I WAS 5 OR SIX MILES OR SIX MILES OR 6 MILES OR 6 MILES THIS SIDE OF THIS SIDE OF THIS SIDE OF THIS SIDE OF FILLMORE, AT FILLMORE, AT FILLMORE, AT FILLMORE AT THE SPRINGS. THE SPRINGS. THE SPRINGS. THE SPRINGS Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT TIME OF THE TIME OF TIME OF TIME OF DAY WAS IT ? A. DAY WAS IT? DAY WAS IT? A. DAY WAS IT IT WAS IT WAS AT WAS IT WAS AFTERNOON AFTERNOON AFTERNOON AFTERNOON SOMETIME. SOMETIME. SOMETIME? SOMETIME I FN/PN/HAPPENE D[?] AT FILLMORE TO GO ON OUT THIS Q. WHICH WHICH Q. WHICH WAY. WHICH WAY WAS JOHN WAY WAS JOHN WAY WAS H WAY WAS JOHN D. LEE D. LEE JOHN D. LEE D. LEE TRAVELING AT TRAVELING AT TRAVELING TRAVELING THE TIME YOU THE TIME YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SAW HIM ? A. SAW HIM? ASAW HIM. A. SAW HIM GOING NORTH GOING NORTH, GOING NORTH GOING NORTH TO THE CITY. TO THE CITY. TO THE CITY. TO THE CITY Q. YOU YOU Q. AND YOU [space] AND YOU WERE GOING WERE GOING WAS GONING WAS GOING SOUTH ? A. YES SOUTH? YES, SOUTH. A. YES, SOUTH YES SIR. Q. TELL SIR. TELL SIR. [100] Q. TELL SIR TELL ME WHAT HE ME WHAT HE ME WHAT HE ME WHAT HE SAID ABOUT SAID ABOUT SAID ABOUT SAID ABOUT THE ORDERS THE ORDERS THE ORDERS THE ORDERS THAT HE HAD — THAT HE HAD. THAT HE HAD. THAT HE HAD YOU HAVE SAID YOU HAVE SAID YOU HAVE SAID YOU HAVE SAID THAT HE TOLD THAT HE TOLD THAT HE TOLD THAT HE TOLD THE CHIEF TO THE CHIEF TO THE CHIEF TO THE CHIEF TO KILL THE KILL THE KILL ONE KILL THE ONE
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LITTLE GIRL LITTLE GIRL, GIRL AND GIRL[?] AND AND THAT HE AND THAT HE HE HE KILLED THE KILLED THE KILLED THE KILLED THE OTHER, OTHER, OTHER, OTHER BECAUSE HIS BECAUSE HIS BECAUSE HIS BECAUSE HIS ORDERS WERE ORDERS WERE ORDERS WAS ORDERS WAS THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY WAS WERE ALL TO WERE ALL TO WERE ALL TO TOO [space] BE USED UP ? [369] BE USED UP. BE USED UP? [127] A. HE SAID HE SAID A. SAID SAID HE HAD ORDERS HE HAD ORDERS HE HAD ORDERS HE HAD ORDERS TO USE UP ALL TO USE UP ALL TO USE UP ALL TO USE UP ALL THE COMPANY THAT COMPANY THAT COMPANY THAT COMPANY THAT COULD THAT COULD THAT COULD THAT COULD TELL TALES. Q. TELL TALES. TELL TALES. Q. TELL TALES [space] WHERE DID HE WHERE DID HE WHERE DID HE WHERE DID HE GET THOSE GET THESE GET THOSE GET THOSE ORDERS FROM ORDERS FROM? ORDERS FROM? ORDERS FROM — DID HE TELL DID HE TELL DID HE TELL DID HE TELL YOU THAT ? A. I YOU THAT? I YOU THAT.? A. I YOU TOLD YOU TOLD YOU TOLD YOU NO,THAT I NO, THAT I NO , NO DON’T DON’T I DIDN’T I DON’T REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER THAT HE DID. Q. THAT HE DID. THAT HE DID. THAT HE DID DO YOU DO YOU Q. DO YOU [space] DO YOU RECOLLECT RECOLLECT RECOLLECT RECOLLECT THAT HE THAT HE THAT HE THAT HE DIDN’T ? A. IF DIDN’T? IF DIDN’YT? A. IF DIDN’T IF HE DID I DON’T HE DID I DON’T HE DID I DONT HE DID I DONT RECOLLECT IT. RECOLLECT IT. RECOLLECT IT. RECOLLECT Q. I WANT TO I WANT TO Q. I WANT TO I WANT TO GET AS FULL A GET AS FULL A GET AS FULL A GET AS FULL STATEMENT OF STATEMENT OF STATEMENT OF THE FACTS AS FACTS AS FACTS AS FACTS AS POSSIBLE, I POSSIBLE. I POSSIBLE.. I POSSIBLE I WANT YOU TO WANT YOU TO WANT YOU TO WANT YOU TO TELL ME TELL ME TELL JME TELL ME EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING THAT YOU THAT YOU THAT YOU THAT YOU THINK HE THINK HE THINK HE THINK HE DID SAID OR THAT SAID, OR THAT SAID, OR SAID OR HE DID SAY. HE DID SAY. DID SAY. DID SAY THERE
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WHEN WHEN WHERE [space] WHERE DID HE DID HE DID HE DID HE TELL ME TELL YOU THAT TELL YOU THAT TELL YOU TELL YOU HE GOT THOSE HE GOT THOSE THOSE THOSE ORDERS ORDERS ORDERS CM ORDERS FROM CEDAR FROM CEDAR CAME FROM? CAME FROM CITY ? A. IT WAS CITY? IT WAS A. IT WAS —IT WAS MY IMPRESSION MY IMPRESSION MY IMPRESSION MY IMPRESSION THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT THAT HE GOT THEM FROM THEM FROM THEM FROM THEM FROM CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY, CEDAR CITY, CEDAR CITY BUT I COULD BUT I COULD BUT I COULD BUT I COULD NOT SAY WHAT NOT SAY WHAT NOT SAY WHAT NOT SAY WHAT THE MAN SAID THE MAN SAID THE MAN SAID THE MAN SAID ABOUT IT, BUT I ABOUT IT, BUT I ABOUT IT, BUT I ABOUT IT BUT I HAD THAT IDEA. HAD THAT IDEA. HAD THAT IDEA. HAD THAT IDEA Q. WHO WHO Q. WHO [space] WHO ELSE DID HE ELSE DID HE ELSE DID HE ELSE DID HE TELL YOU WAS TELL YOU WAS TELL YOU WAS TELL YOU WAS ON THE ON THE THERE ON THE THERE ON THE GROUND GROUND GROUND THAT GROUND THAT AIDING IN THIS AIDING IN THIS AIDED IN THIS AIDED IN THIS KILLING. KILLING? KILLING.? KILLING? A. THE NAMES I THE NAMES I A. THE NAMES I THE NAMES I DON’T KNOW AS DON’T KNOW AS DON’T KNOW AS DON’T KNOW AS HE MTNIOB HE HE HE MENTIONED. I MENTIONED. I MENTIONED. I MENTIONED THINK HE THINK HE THINK HE MENTIONED MENTIONED MENTIONED BISHOP BISHOP BISHOP BISHOP KLINGENSMITH KLINGENSMITH KLINGENSMITH SMITH BEING BEING AS BEING AS BEING THERE. THERE. THERE. THERE Q. WHO ELSE ? WHO ELSE? Q. WHO ELSE? WHO ELSE A. HE HE A. HE HE MENTIONED MENTIONED MENTIONED MENTIONED HIGBEE HIGBEE HIGBEE [[16]]686 HIGBEE BEING THERE. Q. BEING THERE. BEING THERE? BEING THERE WHO WHO Q. WHO [space] WHO ELSE DID HE ELSE DID HE ELSE DID HE ELSE DID HE MENTION ? A. MENTION? MENTION? A. MENTION
686. In center top of page: [12]. This the only page on which Patterson has inserted a page number, and it is incorrect.
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HE MENTIONED HE MENTIONED HE MENTIONED MENTIONED MY BROTHER MY BROTHER MY BROTHER MY BROTHER BEING THERE, BEING THERE, BEING THERE, BEING THERE BRINGING SOME BRINGING SOME BRINGING SOME BRINGING SOME INDIANS THERE. INDIANS THERE. INDIANS THERE. INDIANS THERE THAT HE SENT THAT HE WENT HIM WORD TO TO TO WOULD BRING SOME NOT TELL [space] INDIANS THERE. HE SENT HE SENT SENT WHO SENT HIM WORD TO HIM WORD TO HIM WORD TO HIM WORD TO BRING THE BRING THE BRING THE BRING THE INDIANS UP INDIANS UP INDIANS UP INDIANS UP THERE. THERE. THERE. THERE [space] SENT HIM WORD SENT HIM WORD SENT HIM WORD SENT HIM WORD OF THIS AFFAIR OF THIS AFFAIR OF THIS AFFAIR OF THIS AFFAIR TAKING PLACE TAKING PLACE, TALKING PLACE TAKING PLACE AND FOR HIM AND FOR HIM AND TO GO AND TO GO AND TO GO ANFD TO GO AND GET THE GET THE GET THE GET THE INDIANS AND INDIANS, AND INDIANS— INDIANS AND TO BRING UP BRING UP TO BRING BRING THE CLARA THE CLARA THE CLARA THE CLARA INDIANS. Q. INDIANS. INDAINS. Q. INDIANS YOUR BROTHER YOUR BROTHER, YOUR BROTHER YOUR BROTHER THEN BROUGHT THEN, BROUGHT THEN BROUGHT THEN BROUGHT THE INDIANS TO THE INDIANS TO THE INDIANS THE INDIANS THE MEADOWS THE MEADOWS, AND THEN LEFT AND THEN LEFT AND THEN LEFT AND THEN LEFT THERE ? A. THERE? THERE? A. THERE [space] YES, HE YES, HE YES,, SO HE YES SO HE TOLD ME SO. [128] TOLD ME SO. TOLD ME. [101] Q- TOLD ME Q. NOW HOW NOW, HOW NOW, HOW NOW HOW WAS IT ABOUT WAS IT ABOUT WAS IT ABOUT WAS [space] THE INDIANS THE INDIANS THE INDIANS INDIANS MAKING AN MAKING AN MAKING THE MADE ATTACK ABOUT ATTACK ABOUT ATTACK ABOUT ATTACK ABOUT DAY-LIGHT, DAYLIGHT? DAYLIGHT, DAYLIGHT WHERE WERE WERE WERE THEY? WERE AND WAS THEY THEY THEY REPULSED ? A. REPULSED? REPULSED? A. REPULSED YES. YES. YES, SIR. [space] YES SIR Q. ONE ONE Q. ONE [space] ONE
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KILLED AND KILLED AND KILLED AND KILLED AND ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER WOUNDED ? A. WOUNDED? WOUNDED? A. WOUNDED YES SIR. Q. AND YES, SIR. YES, SIR. Q. YES SIR AND THAT ENRAGED THAT ENRAGED THAT ENRAGED ENRAGED THE INDIANS THE INDIANS, THEM AND AND THEN LEE AND SO LEE SO MADE THAT LED LED THEY TH MADE MADE THE NEXT THE NEXT THE NEXT THE NEXT ATTACK ? A. ATTACK? ATTACK? A. ATTACK YES SIR. Q. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. Q. YES SIR [space] WHO DO YOU WHO DO YOU WHO DO YOU WHO DO YOU MEAN WERE SO MEAN WERE SO MEAN WAS MEAN WAS ENRAGED, THE ENRAGED—THE ENRAGED, THE ENRAGED THE INDIANS ? A. INDIANS? INDIANS? A. INDIANS [space] YES, THE YES, THE YES, THE YES THE INDIANS. HE INDIANS. HE INDIANS. HE INDIANS HAD TO WAS HE CLAIMED THE CLAIMED THE CARRYD THE CARRIED THE IDEA THAT IDEA THAT IDEA THTAT HE IDEA THAT HE HAD TO DO HE HAD TO DO HAD TO DO IT IN HE HAD TO DO IT TO IT TO ORDER TO SAVE IT TO SAVE HIS OWN SAVE HIS OWN HIS OWN LIFE. SAVE HIS LIFE. THEY LIFE. THEY THEY LIFE AND THEY WERE VERY WERE VERY WAS VERY WAS VERY MAD AND MAD, AND MAD AND MAD FOR GETTING THEM INTO THE SCRAPE OR SOMETHING WANTED HIM WANTED HIM WANTED HIM WANTED HIM TO HELP USE TO HELP USE TO HELP USE TO HELP TO USE UP THAT UP THAT UP THAT UP THAT COMPANY. COMPANY. COMPANY. COMPANY [lines] Q. DID HE NOT DID HE NOT Q. DIDN’T HE DIDN’T HE TELL YOU IN TELL YOU IN TELL YOU IN TELL YOU IN THAT SAME THAT SAME THAT SAME THAT SAME CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSAION CONVERSATION THAT HE TRIED THAT HE TRIED THAT HE TRIED THAT HE TRIED TO APPEASE TO APPEASE TO APPEASE TO APPEASE THE INDIANS THE INDIANS THE INDIANS INDIANS AND AND KEEP THEM AND KEEP THEM AND KEEP THEM KEEP THEM FROM FROM FROM FROM ATTACKING THE ATTACKING THE ATTACKING THE ATTACKING THE
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TRAIN ? TRAIN? I TRAIN? A. I TRAIN? I A. I DON’T DON’T DON’T DON’T REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER THE REMEMBER JUST THE JUST THE JUST THE JUST THEM WORDS, BUT HE WORDS, BUT HE WORDS, BUT HE WORDS BUT HE SAID HE COULD SAID HE COULD SAID HE COULD SAID HE COULD NOT KEEP THEM NOT KEEP THEM NOT KEEP THEM NOT KEEP THEM FROM FROM FROM FROM ATTACKING ATTACKING ATTACKING ATTACKING THEM JUST AT THEM JUST AT THEM JUST AT THEM JUST AT DAY-LIGHT. DAYLIGHT. DAYLIGHT. DAYLIGHT Q. DID DIDN’T Q. DIDN’T [space] DIDN’T HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU HE TELL YOU THAT HE TRIED THAT HE TRIED THAT HE TRIED HE TRIED TO KEEP THEM TO KEEP THEM TO KEEP THEM TO KEEP THEM OFF ? A. I OFF? I OFF? A. I OFF [space] DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK DON’T THINK SO. I THINK SO. I THINK DSO. I THINK HE SO HE SAID THAT HE SAID SAID SAID HE COULD NOT HE COULD NOT HE COULD NOT HE COULD NOT KEEP THEM OFF. KEEP THEM OFF. KEEP THEM OFF. KEEP THEM OFF Q. DID HE DID HE Q. DID HE [space] [[17]] DID SAY SAY SAY HE SAY ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE INDIANS INDIANS INDIANS INDIANS HAVING CALLING HIM CALLING HIM CALLING HIM CALLED HIM ANY NAMES ANY NAMES NAMES ANY NAMES BECAUSE HE BECAUSE HE BECAUSE HE BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT WOULD NOT WOULD NOT WOULD NOT GO ? A. HE WENT GO? HE WENT GO? A. HE WENT GO? HE WENT OFF TOWARDS OFF TOWARDS OFF TOWARDS OFF TOWARDS THE CLARA AND THE CLARA AND THE CLARA AND THE CLARA AND CRIED, AND CRIED, AND CRIED, AND CRIED AND THEY CALLED THEY CALLED THEY CALLED THEY CALLED HIM CRIER. HIM CRIER— HIM CRIER — HIM CRIER “YAH - GUTS” YAH GAUTS. “YAH GUTS.” YAH GUTS687 Q. WHY DID WHY DID Q. WHY DID [space] WHY DID THEY CALL HIM THEY CALL HIM THEY CALL HIM THEY CALL HIM THIS ? A. THIS? THAT? A. THIS WHY BECAUSE HE BECAUSE HE BECAUSE HE BECAUSE HE
687. The shorthand is written “Y GTS”; there are no vowels.
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CRIED. CRIED. [370] CRIED. CRIED [space] Q. THAT WAS THAT WAS Q. THAT WAS THAT WAS BEFORE HE LED BEFORE HE LED BEFORE HE LED BEFORE HE LED THE ATTACK ? THE ATTACK? THE ATTACK? THE ATTACK A. I DON’T I DON’T A. I DON’T I DON’T KNOW. [129] KNOW. KNOW. KNOW [space] Q. ARE YOU ARE YOU Q. ARE YOU ARE YOU POSITIVE THAT POSITIVE THAT POSITIVE THAT POSITIVE THAT HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU HE TOLD YOU THAT HE CUT THAT HE CUT THAT HE CUT THAT HE CUT THAT WOMAN’S THAT WOMAN’S THAT WOMAN’S THAT WOMEN’S THROAT ? A. THROAT? THROAT? A. THROAT YES, I AM YES, I AM YES, I AM YES I AM POSITIVE OF POSITIVE OF POSITIVE OF POSITIVE OF THAT OR I THAT, OR I THAT OR I THAT YES OR I WOULD NOT WOULD NOT WOULD NOT WOULD NOT HAVE TOLD IT. HAVE TOLD IT. HAVE TOLD IT. HAVE TOLD IT. Q. HOW HOW [102] Q. HOW [space] HOW LONG IS LONG IS LONG IS IT HAS LONG HAS IT SINCE IT SINCE IT BEEN SINCE IT BEEN SINCE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU YOU TOLD ANYBODY TOLD ANYBODY TOLD ANYBODY TOLD ANYBODY THAT JOHN D. THAT JOHN D. THAT JOHN D. THAT JOHN D. LEE HAD TOLD LEE HAD TOLD LEE HAD TOLD LEE HAD TOLD YOU THAT?? A. YOU THAT? YOU THAT? A. YOU THAT? IT HAS BEEN IT HAS BEEN IT HAS BEEN IT HAS BEEN ABOUT THREE ABOUT THREE ABOUT THREE ABOUT THREE SECONDS. Q. SECONDS. SECONDS. Q. SECONDS [space] WHERE HAVE WHERE HAVE WHERE HAVE WHERE HAVE YOU LIVED YOU LIVED YOU LIVED YOU LIVED SINCE THE SINCE THE SINCE THE SINCE THE MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS MASSACRE ? A. MASSACRE? MASSACRE? A. MASSACRE MY FAMILY HAS MY FAMILY HAS MY FAMILY HAS MY FAMILY HAS BEEN AT THE BEEN AT THE BEEN AT THE BEEN AT THE CLARA THE CLARA THE CLARA THE CLARA THE MOST OF THE MOST OF THE MOST OF THE MOST OF THE TIME. THE LAST TIME; THE LAST TIME; THE LAST TIME LAST SIX YEARS I SIX YEARS 6 YEARS 6 YEARS HAVE BEEN AT HAVE BEEN AT HAS BEEN AT BEEN AT KANAB. Q. KANAB. KANAB. Q. KANAB [space] YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE LIVED IN UTAH LIVED IN UTAH LIVED IN UTAH LIVED IN UTAH
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ALL THAT ALL THAT ALL OF THAT ALL OF THAT TIME ? A. MY TIME? MY TIME? A. MY TIME MY HOME HAS BEEN HOME HAS BEEN HOME HAS BEEN HOME HAS BEEN IN UTAH. IN UTAH. IN UTAH. Q. THIS IN UTAH THAT HAS BEEN HAS BEEN YOUR THIS HAS BEEN YOUR MAIN HOME? A. YOUR MAIN HOME? MY MY HOME HAS HOME MY HOME HOME HAS BEEN BEEN U IN HAS BEEN IN IN UTAH. UTAH. Q. UTAH. Q. DIDN’T LEE DIDN’T LEE DIDN’T MR. LEE DIDN’T MR. LEE TELL YOU MORE TELL YOU MORE TELL YOU MORE TELL YOU MORE THAN YOU THAN YOU THAN YOU THAN YOU HAVE TOLD — HAVE TOLD? HAVE TOLD? HAVE TOLD DIDN’T HE TELL DIDN’T HE TELL DIDN’T HE TELL DIDN’T HE TELL YOU ABOUT A YOU ABOUT A YOU ABOUT A YOU ABOUT A COUNCIL THAT COUNCIL THAT COUNCIL THAT COUNCIL THAT WAS HELD ON WAS HELD ON WAS HELD ON WAS HELD ON THE FIELD THE FIELD THE FIELD THE FIELD BEFORE THE BEFORE THE BEFORE THE BEFORE THE MASSACRE ? A. MASSACRE? MASACRE? A. HE MASSACRE HE TOLD ME, HE TOLD ME. WE TOLD ME. WE HE TOLD ME ~ WE HAD A GOOD HAD A GOOD HAD A GOOD WE HAD A GOOD DEAL OF DEAL OF DEAL OF DEAL OF CONVERSATION CONVERSATION COJNVERSATIO CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. Q. ABOUT IT. N ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT TELL ME R IF HE TELL ME IF HE Q.TELL ME IF HE TELL ME IF HE DID NOT DID NOT DIDN’T DIDN’T INFORM YOU INFORM YOU INFORM YOU INFORM YOU THAT A THAT A THAT A THAT A COUNCIL WAS COUNCIL WAS COUNCIL WAS COUNCIL WAS HELD ON THE HELD ON THE HELD ON THE HELD ON THE FIELD ON THE FIELD, ON FIELD, OF THE FIELD OF MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MEADOWS BY MEADOWS, BY MEADOWS, BY MEADOWS BY THE PEOPLE HE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE FROM CEDAR FROM CEDAR OF CEDAR OF CEDAR CITY BEFORE CITY, BEFORE CITY, BEFORE CITY BEFORE THE MASSACRE, THE MASSACRE, THE MASACRE, THE MASSACRE AND THAT HE AND THAT HE AND THAT HE AND THAT HE OPPOSED THE OPPOSED THE OPPOSED THE OPPOSED THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS UNTIL HE UNTIL HE UNTIL HE UNTIL HE FOUND THAT HE FOUND THAT HE FOUND HE FOUND HE
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COULD DO NO COULD DO NO COULD DO NO COULD DO NO GOOD ? A. GOOD? GOOD? A. GOOD? AFTER WE HAD AFTER WE HAD AFTER HE HAD AFTER WE HAD TALKED TALKED TALKED TALKED SOMETIME I SOME TIME I SOME TIME I SOME TIME I ASKED HIM THE ASKED THE ASKED THE ASKED THE NECESSITY OF NECESSITY OF NECESSITY OF NECESSITY OF SUCH A THING SUCH A THING, SUCH A THING, SUCH A THING OR WHY IT WAS OR WHY IT WAS, OR WHY IT WAS, OR WHY IT WAS AND HE TOLD AND HE TOLD AND HE TOLD AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE ME THAT HE ME HE ME HE HAD ORDERS TO HAD ORDERS TO HAD ORDERS TO HAD ORDERS TO DO SO. Q. DO SO. DO SO.. Q. DO IT[?] [space] DID HE NOT DID HE NOT DIDN’T HE [[18]] DIDN’T HE TELL YOU THAT TELL YOU THAT TELL YOU THAT TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS A THERE WAS A A A COUNCIL COUNCIL COUNCIL WAS COUNCIL WAS HELD THERE AT HELD THERE AT HELD THERE AT HELD THERE AT THE MEADOWS THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS AND THAT IT AND THAT IT AND IT AND IT WAS THEN WAS THEN WAS THEN WAS THEN DECIDED THAT DECIDED THAT DECIDED THAT DECIDED THAT THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD THEY SHOULD BE KILLED ? A. BE KILLED? BE KILLED? A. BE KILLED NO, I NEVER NO, I NEVER NO, I NEVER NO I NEVER HEARD THAT HEARD THAT HEARD THAT HEARD THAT THERE WAS A THERE WAS A THERE WAS A THERE WAS A COUNCIL HELD COUNCIL HELD COUNCIL HELD COUNCIL HELD THAT THERE TO THERE TO THERE TO THERE TO MAKE ANY MAKE ANY MAKE ANY MAKE ANY DECISION OR TO DECISION, OR TO DECISION OR TO DECISION TO DECIDE DECIDE DIEDCIDE DECIDE ON ANYTHING, ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING BUT THE BUT THE BYUT THE BUT THE SUBJECT OR SUBJECT OR SUBJECT, OR SUBJECT OF COUNCILING COUNSELING COUNCILING COUNSELING HOW TO HOW TO THERE HOW TO THERE HOW DECOY THEY THEY DECOY DECOY COULD DECOTY COULD DECOY THEM OUT. THEM OUT. THEM OUT. THEM OUT [130] Q. WHO WHO Q. WHO [space] WHO COUNSELED COUNSELED COUNCIOLED COUNSELED WITH WITH WITH THEM ? THEM? THEM? A. THERE HIM
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A. THERE WAS THERE WAS WAS THERE WAS KLINGENSMITH KLINGENSMITH, THE BISHOP — BISHOP THE THE THEN THE THEN THE BISHOP OF BISHOP OF BISHOP OF BISHOP OF CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY — CEDAR CITY
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AGENT. AGENT [space] AT THAT TIME I AT THAT TIME I AT THAT TIME I AT THAT TIME I WAS NO WAS NO WAS NOT WAS NOT ANY AGENT NOR IN AGENT, NOR IN AGENT — AGENT ANY ANY NO NO PARTICULAR PARTICULAR PARTICULAR PARTICULAR OFFICE, UNLESS OFFICE, UNLESS OFFICE UNLESS OFFICE UNLESS A MISSIONARY A MISSIONARY A MISSIONARY A MISSIONARY IN THE IN THE IN THE IN THE SOUTH SOUTH SOUTH SF/SV/SOUTH[?] COUNTRY TO COUNTRY TO COUNTRYTO COUNTRY TO ESTABLISH ESTABLISH ESTABLISH ESTABLISH SOME SOME SOME SOME SETTLEMENTS SETTLEMENTS SETTLEMENETS, SETTLEMENTS ANSD SOME AND SOME ON THE ON THE OTHERS ON THE OTHERS ON THE CLARA. CLARA. CLARA.. CLARA [space] Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT WHAT REASON DID REASON DID REASON DID REASON DID LEE GIVE YOU LEE GIVE YOU LEE GIVE YOU LEE GIVE YOU IN THAT IN THAT IN THAT IN THAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION FOR THE OF THE FOR THE FOR THE KILLING KILLING KLILLING OF KILLING OF THE OF THE THE OF THE EMIGRANTS, HE EMIGRANTS? HE EMIGRANTS? HE EMIGRANTS? HE MUST HAVE MUST HAVE MUST HAVE MUST HAVE GIVEN YOU GIVEN YOU GIVEN YOU GIVEN YOU SOME REASON SOME REASON SOME REASON SOME REASON WHY IT WAS WHY IT WAS WHY IT WAS WHY IT WAS NECESSARY TO NECESSARY TO NECESSARY TO NECESSARY TO COMMIT SUCH A COMMIT SUCH A COMMIT SUCH A COMMIT SUCH A DEED ? DEED? CRIME DEED. DEED WITHOUT ANY QUESTION YOU COULD HAVE[?] AS A REASONABLE MAN HAVE ~ A. I ASKED I ASKED A. I ASKED I ASKED WHAT CALLED WHAT CALLED WHAT CALLED WHAT CALLED FOR IT, WHY FOR IT, WHY FOR IT, WHUY FOR IT WHY THEY DID IT ? A. THEY DID IT. THEY DID IT. THEY DID IT HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT ATTACK ATTACK THAT ATTACK THAT ATTACK
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AT DAY-LIGHT AT DAYLIGHT AT DAYLIGHT AT DAYLIGHT WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE THROWN THROWN THROWN THROWED CENSURE UPON CENSURE UPON SENSURE UPON CENSURE ON THIS PEOPLE THIS PEOPLE. [371] THIS PEOPLE. THIS PEOPLE Q. ON WHAT ON WHAT Q. ON WHAT [space] ON WHAT PEOPLE ? A. THE PEOPLE? THE PEOPLE? A. THE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING WERE LIVING WAS LIVING WAS LIVING HERE. Q. HERE. THERE HERE. Q. HERE [space] YOU MEAN DO YOU MEAN DO YOU MEAN DO YOU MEAN THE WHITES THE WHITES THE WHITES THE WHITES THAT WERE THAT WERE THAT WAS THAT WAS LIVING HERE AT LIVING HERE AT LIVING HERE AT LIVING HERE THE TIME ? THE TIME? THAT TIME A. YES YES, THEN? A. YES, THEN YES SIR. SIR. SIR, SIR [space] [[19]] Q. GO ON AND GO ON AND Q. GO ON AND GO ON AND TELL ALL HE TELL ALL HE TELL ALL HE TELL ME ALL HE SAID ? I WANT SAID. I WANT SAID. I WANT SAID I WANT YOU TO MAKE YOU TO MAKE YOU TO MAKE YOU TO MAKE IT AS BAD AS IT AS BAD AS AT AS BAD AS AT AS BAD AS YOU CAN—TELL YOU CAN—TELL YOU CAN.- ALL YOU CAN ALL ALL THAT YOU ALL THAT YOU THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID SAID AND ALL SAID, ALL THAT AND ALL THAT AND ALL THAT THAT HE SAID ? HE SAID? YOU SAID? A. YOU SAID [space] A. I WOULD NOT I WOULD NOT I WOULD NOT I WOULD NOT UNDERTAKE UNDERTAKE UNDERTAKE UNDERTAKE THAT. [131] Q. THAT. THAT. Q. THAT [space] TELL ALL THAT TELL ALL THAT ALL THAT YOU ALL THAT YOU YOU CAN YOU CAN CAN CAN RECOLLECT ? RECOLLECT? RECOLLECT? RECOLLECT A. I HAVE, I HAVE, A. I HAVE [space] I HAVE THE SUBSTANCE THE SUBSTANCE THE SUBSTANCE THE SUBSTANCE OF IT. OF IT? OF IT. OF IT [space] Q. THERE MUST THERE MUST Q. THERE MUST THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A HAVE BEEN A HAVE BEEN A HAVE BEEN GOOD DEAL GOOD DEAL GOOD DEAL GOOD DEAL SAID ABOUT SAID ABOUT SAID ABOUT SAID ABOUT THE REASONS THE REASON THE REASONS THE REASONS FOR DOING THIS FOR DOING THIS FOR DOING THIS FOR DOING THIS THING ? THING? THING? THING [space] A. THE CAUSE THE CAUSE A. THE CAUSE THE CAUSE THAT HE THAT HE THAT HE HAD THAT HE
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ALWAYS GAVE ALWAYS GAVE ALWAYS GIVEN ALWAYS GAVE TO ME WAS TO ME WAS TO ME, WAS TO ME WAS THAT THAT I THAT WHICH I THAT WHICH I THAT WHICH I HAVE JUST HAVE TOLD YOU, TOLD YOU. TOLD YOU. TOLD YOU THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THAT THAT THEY CAME THEY CAME THEY CAME THEY CAME THROUGH THROUGH THROUGH THROUGH HERE AND THERE AND THERE AND THERE BEHAVED BEHAVED BEHAVED EVRY BEHAVED VERY ROUGH VERY ROUGH, VERY ROUGH, VERY ROUGH AND SAID AND SAID SAYING AND [space] THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY HELPED TO KILL HELPED KILL HELPED KILL HELPED KILL OLD JOE.SMITH OLD JOE OLD JOE OLD JOE AND WERE SMITH, AND SMITH AND WAS SMITH688 AND GOING TO WERE GOING TO GOING TO BE WAS GOING TO READY BE READY READY THERE BE READY THERE AT THE THERE AT THE AT THE TIME THERE AT THE MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS WHEN THEIR WHEN THEIR WHEN THEIR WHEN THEIR TEAMS GOT TEAMS GOT TEAMDS GOT TEAMS GOT RECRUITED RECRUITED, RECRUITED,, RECRUITED AND WHEN AND WHEN AND WHEN [104] AND WHEN JOHNSTON JOHNSTON JOHNSON JOHNSTON COMMENCED COMMENCED COMMENCED COMES ON THE NORTH ON THE NORTH ON THE NORTH ON THE NORTH END THEY END, THEY END, THEY END THEY WOULD ON THE WOULD ON THE WOULD ON THE WOULD ON THE SOUTH END SOUTH END, SOUTH END, SOUTH END AND HE WAS AND HE WAS AND HE WAS AND HE WAS ASKED BY ASKED BY ASKED BY ASKED BY AUTHORITY — AUTHORITY— AUTHORITY— AUTHORITY BISHPOOP BISHOP HAIGHT OR HAIGHT OR HAIGHT OR HAIGHT OR DAME, TO GO DAME—TO GO DAME — TO GO DAME TO GO AND WATCH AND WATCH AND WATCH AND WATCH THOSE THOSE THOSE THOSE EMIGRANTS, EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS AND SEE THAT AND SEE THAT AND SEE THAT SEE THAT THEY DIDN’T THEY DIDN’T THEY DIDN’T THEY DIDN’T MOLEST THOSE MOLEST THOSE MOLEST THESE MOLEST THOSE
688. “SMITH” is in the left margin.
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WEAK WEAK WEAK WEAK SETTLEMENTS. SETTLEMENTS. SETTLEMENTS., SETTLEMENTS WHEN I ASKED WHEN I ASKED WHEN I ASKED WHEN I ASKED HIM WHAT IT HIM WHAT IT HIM WHAT IT HIM WHAT IT WAS FOR—THAT WAS FOR—THAT WAS FAR. THEN WAS FOR THAT IN DOING SO, IN DOING SO, IN DOING DSO, IN DOING SO WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WHEN THE WHEN THE GOT GOT INDIANS GOT INDIANS GOT THERE THE THERE THE THERE, THEY THERE THEY INDIANS MADE INDIANS MADE MADE THIS MADE THIS THIS ATTACK THIS ATTACK ATTACK AT ATTACK AT AT DAY-LIGHT. AT DAYLIGHT. DAYLIGHT. DAYLIGHT Q. THE THE Q. THE [space] THE INDIANS THEN INDIANS THEN INDIANS THEN INDIANS THEN MADE THE MADE THE MADE THE MADE THE FIRST ATTACK ? FIRST ATTACK? FIRST ATTACK? FIRST ATTACK THS/FS[?] SN[?] A. HE SAID HE SAID A. HE SAID [space] HE SAID THEY MADE IT THEY MADE IT THEY MADE IT THEY MADE IT VOLUNTARILY. VOLUNTARILY— VOLUNTARILY, VOLUNTARILY ~ THEY MADE THE THEY MADE THE THEY MADE THE THEY MADE THE FIRST ATTACK. FIRST ATTACK. FIRST ATTACK. FIRST ATTACK Q. YOU YOU Q. YOU [space] YOU SPOKE OF SPOKE OF SPOKE OF SPOKE OF JOHNSON JOHNSTON BEING BEING ON AT FORT BORDER GENERAL GENERAL BRIDGER WITH GENERAL JOHNSTONE’S JOHNSTON’S HIS JOHNSTON ARMY ARMY ARMY MARCHING MARCHING MARCHING MARCHING TOWARDS TOWARDS TOWARDS THEN TOWARDS UTAH, WHERE UTAH. WHERE UTAH. UTAH WAS IT ? A. WAS IT? A. YES, YES ABOUT FORT AT FORT FORT FORT BRIDGER THEN BRIDGER THEN. BRIDGER THEN. BRIDGER THEN Q. WHO WAS WHO WAS Q. WHO WAS [space] WHO WAS IT UNDERSTOOD IT UNDERSTOOD IT UNDERSTOOD IT UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT THAT THAT JOHNSTONE JOHNSTON JOHNSON JOHNSTON WAS WAS WAS WAS UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD TO BE TO BE MARCHING MARCHING MARCHING MARCHING
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AGAINST THEM. AGAINST THEM? AGAINST AT AGAINST AT THAT TIME? THAT TIME IT A. A. IT WAS WAS GELERALLY GENERALLY SUPPOSED AND SUPPOSED AND THE THE THE UNDERSTANDIN UNDERSTANDIN UNDERSTANDIN UNDERSTOOD IN G AND G AND G AND SPIRIT OF THE SPIRIT OF FEELING WAS FEELING WAS FEELING WAS FEELING WAS THAT HE WAS THAT HE WAS THAT HE WAS THAT HE WAS MARCHING MARCHING COMING COMING AGAINST THE AGAINST THE AGAINST THE AGAINST MORMONS AS A MORMONS AS A MORMONS AS A MORMONS AS PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE , PEOPLE CHURCH OR CHURCH OR NATION OR NATION NATION AND NATION, AND CHURCH, AND CHURCH AND WAS GOING TO WAS GOING TO WAS GOING TO GENERALLY TRY TO BURST TRY TO BURST BURST BUST UP THE UP THE UP ALL THE UP ALL THE WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE CONCERN, THAT CONCERN. THAT CONCERSN, CONCERN [[20]] WAS WHAT WE WAS WHAT WE WAS WHAT WE WAS WHAT WE EXPECTED. EXPECTED. EXPECTED. EXPECTED Q. YOU YOU Q. YOU [space] YOU EXPECTED EXPECTED, EXPECTED EXPECTED THEN THAT THEN, THAT THEN THAT THEN THAT JOHNSTONE JOHNSTON JOHNSON JOHNSTON WITH WITH WAS LEADING WAS LEADING THE ARMY OF THE ARMY OF THE ARMY OF THE ARMY OF THE UNITED THE UNITED THE UNITED THE UNITED STATES [132] WAS STATES, WAS STATES STATES LEADING THAT LEADING THAT ARMY AGAINST ARMY AGAINST AGAINST AGAINST THIS THIS THIS THIS PARTICULAR PARTICULAR PEOPLE ? A. YES PEOPLE? YES, PEOPLE? A. YES, PEOPLE YES SIR. Q. WITH THE SIR. WITH THE SIR. Q. WITH THE SIR WITH THE INTENTION OF INTENTION OF IJNTENTION OF INTENTION OF EXTERMINATIN EXTERMINATIN EXTERMINATIN EXTERMINATIN G THEM OR G THEM OR G THEM OR G THEM OR COMPEELLING COMPELLING COMPELLING COMPELLING THEM TO THEM TO THEM TO THEM TO ABANDON ABANDON ABANDON ABANDON THEIR THEIR THEIR THEIR
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RELIGION A. RELIGION? RELIGION? A. RELIGION [space] YES SIR, THAT YES, SIR, THAT YES, SIR, THAT YES THAT WAS MY BELIEF, WAS MY BELIEF WAS MY BELIEF WAS MY BELIEF TO DO AWAY —TO DO AWAY —TO DO AWAY
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WAY TO UTAH. WAY. WAY. WAY THAT WAS Q. AFTER AFTER Q. AFTER [space] AFTER THAT TWENTY THAT 24TH THAT 24TH THAT 24 FOURTH OF OF OF JULY DID JULY, DID JULY ‘57, DID TH JULY 57 DID THAT REPORT THAT REPORT TAT THAT THAT HAVE ANY HAVE ANY HAVE ANY HAVE ANY EFFECT ON EFFECT ON EFFECT UPON EFFECT ON THIS PEOPLE TO THIS PEOPLE TO THIS PEOPLE TO THIS PEOPLE TO CAUSE THEM TO CAUSE THEM TO CAUSE THEM TO CAUSE THEM TO ORGANIZE ORGANIZE ORGANSISE AS ORGANIZE AS A MILITARY AS A MILITARY A MILITARY AS A MILITARY PEOPLE ? PEOPLE? PEOPLE? — PEOPLE/AT UPON THE ALL[?] UPON THE MORMO [105] PEOPLE? — THE MORMON MORMON A. NO, [372] NO, PEOPLE? A. NO, PEOPLE NO THAT WAS THAT WAS THEY WAS THEY WAS ORGANIZED ORGANIZED AORGANISED ORGANIZED BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THAT. , BEFORE THAT AS FAR AS I AS FAR AS I AS FAR AS I AS FAR AS I KNEW AND WAS KNEW AND WAS WAS WAS ACQUAINTED ACQUAINTED ACQUAINTED ACQUAINTED WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE COUNSEL. COUNSEL. COUNCIL —— COUNCIL/ORGAN Q. FROM FROM Q- FROM IZATION[?] FROM THAT TIME ON THAT TIME ON THAT TIME ON THAT TIME ON UP TO THE UP TO THE UP TO ABOUT UP TO ABOUT TIME OF TIME OF THE TIME OF THE TIME OF THE MOUNTAIN THE MOUNTAIN THE MOUNTAIN THE MOUNTAIN MEAD WS MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS MASSACRE, MASSACRE, MASSACRE, MASSACRE TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME IF THE IF THE WHETHER THE WHETHER THE PEOPLE WERE PEOPLE WERE PEOPLE WERE PEOPLE WERE NOT ORGANIZED AS ORGANIZED AS ORGANIZED AS A MILITIA AND A MILITIA, AND A MILITIA AND ENROLLED AS ENROLLED AS ENROLLED AS ENROLLED AS SUCH A. SUCH? SUCH. Q. [space] MILITIA THE THE TSHE [space] THE INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS WE HAD WE HAD WERE HAD WE HAD
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FROM GEORGE FROM GEORGE FROM GEORGE FROM GEORGE A. SMITH, WHO A. SMITH, WHO A. SMITH, WHO A SMITH WHO WAS SENT AS WAS SENT AS WAS SENT AS WAS SENT AS REPRESENTING REPRESENTING REPRESENTING REPRESENTING PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PRESIDENT YOUNG’S YOUNG’S OYOUNG’S YOUNG’S MIND, WAS TO MIND, WAS TO MIND, WAS TO MIND WAS TO SAVE SAVE SAVE SAVE EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE BREADSTUFF BREADSTUFF, BREAD-STUFF, BREADSTUFF TO AND USE IT AND USE IT AND USE IT USE IT ONLY WHEN WE WHEN WE WHEN WE WHEN WE WANTED IT. WANTED IT. WANTED TX WANTED Q. DID DID IT.— Q. DID IT [space] [[21]] DID THE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE EVER MEET AND EVER MEET AND EVER MEET AND EVER MEET TO DRILL, HAVE DRILL, HAVE DRILL, HAVE DRILL HAVE EXERCISES AND EXERCISES AND MUSTERS OR MUSTERS OR MUSTERS SO AS MUSTERS, SO AS HAVE OR HAVE HAVE TO TO EXERCISE TO EXERCISES TO MAKE THEM MAKE THEM MAKE THEM MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND THE USE OF THE USE OF THE USE OF THE USE OF THE ARMS AND ARMS, AND ARMS, TO ARMS TO MAKE MAKE IMPROVE THEM IMPROVE THEM THEM FAMILIAR THEM FAMILIAR IN IN WITH MILITARY WITH MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY TACTICS ? A. TACTICS? TACKTICS. A. TACTICS [space] THERE YES, SIR, THERE YES, SIR, THERE YES SIR THERE USED DR TO BE USED TO BE USED TO BE USED TO BE DRILLS DRILLS, DRILLS FOR DRILLS FOR DAYS, DAYS SOMETIMES SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES. SOME [space] THOSE DAYS. THOSE DAYS. Q. WAS IT NOT A WAS IT NOT A Q. WASN’T IT A WAS NOT IT GENERAL GENERAL GENERAL GENERAL OCCURRENCE OCCURRENCE OCCURRENCE OCCURRENCE FOR THEM TO FOR THEM TO FOR THEM TO FOR THEM TO MEET AND MEET AND MEET AND MEET AND DRILL ? [133] A. DRILL? DRILL? A. DRILL YES, THEY YES, THEY YES, THEY YES THEY DRILLED AT DRILLED AT DRILLED IN DRILL IN FILLMORE AND FILLMORE AND FILLMORE AND FILLMORE
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CEDAR — I CEDAR—I CEDAR — AND I CEDAR BUT I DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW DON’T KNOW ABOUT ABOUT ABOUT ABOUT HARMONY, HARMONY— HARMONY Q— HARMONY USING AS USING AS USING AS [space] USING AS MUCH EFFORT MUCH EFFORT MUCH EFFORE MUCH EFFORT AS POSSIBLE TO AS POSSIBLE TO AS POSSIBLE TO AS POSSIBLE TO PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT THEMSELVES IN THEMSELVES IN THEMSELVES IN THEMSELVES IN MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY TACTICS, TACTICS. TACTICS. . A- TACTICS THEY WERE THEY WERE YES, THEY WAS YES THEY WAS ALWAYS DOING ALWAYS DOING ALWAYS DOING ALWAYS DOING THAT, THEY DID THAT; THEY DID THAT; THEY DID THEY DID THAT IN THAT IN THAT IN THAT IN ILLINOIS. Q. ILLINOIS. ILLINOIS. Q. ILLINOIS DID YOU NOT DID YOU NOT DIDN.T YOU DIDN’T YOU UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THE THAT ALL THE THAT ALL THAT ALL MEN BETWEEN MEN BETWEEN FROM FROM 18 AND EIGHTEEN AND 18 TO 18 60 YEARS OF SIXTY YEARS OF 60 YEARS OF 60 YEARS OF AGE WERE AGE WERE AGE WERE AGE WERE ENROLLED IN ENROLLED IN ENROLLED IN ENROLLED IN THE MILITIA ? A. THE MILITIA? THE MILITIA? A. THE MILITIA YES, I YES, I YES, I YES I UNDERSTOOD IT UNDERSTOOD IT UNDERSTOOD IT UNDERSTOOD IT SO. Q. SO. SO. Q. WHO DID SO WHO HAD YOU KNOW OF THE COMMAND THE MILITIA IN OF THE MILITIA THIS SECTION IN THIS SECTION OF THE OF THE COUNTRY — COUNTRY WHO WHO THAT IS WHO THAT IS WHO WAS THE WAS THE WAS THE WAS THE HIGHEST HIGHEST HIGHEST HIGHEST MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY OFFICER IN THIS OFFICER IN THIS OFFICER IN THIS OFFICER IN THIS DIVISION ? A. DIVISION? DIVISION? A. DIVISION WILLIAM H. WILLIAM H. WILLIAM H. WILLIAM H DAME WAS DAME WAS DAME WAS DAME WAS FIRST IN FIRST IN FIRST IN FIRST IN COMMAND IN COMMAND IN COMMAND IN COMMAND IN THE THE SOUTHERN THE SOUTHERN THE SOUTHERN
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SOUNTRY, HE COUNTRY. HE COUNTRY. HE COUNTRY HE WAS COLONEL WAS COLONEL WAS COLONEL WAS COLONEL OF THE IRON OF THE IRON OF THE IRON OF THE IRON MILITIA, AS I MILITIA, AS I MILITIA AS I MILITIA AS I UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD IT IT, I WAS OUT A IT. I WAS OUT A IT. I WAS OUT A I WAS OUT A GOOD DEAL. GOOD DEAL. GOOD DEAL. GOOD DEAL Q. WHO WAS WHO WAS Q. WHO WAS [space] WHO WAS THE HIGHEST THE HIGHEST THE IHIGHTEST THE HIGHEST MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY MILITARY OFFICER AT OFFICER AT OFFICER AT OFFICER AT CEDAR CITY ? CEDAR CITY? CEDAR CITY? CEDAR CITY? A. WELL THAT I WELL, THAT I A. WELL, THAT I WELL I THAT I COULD NOT COULD NOT COULD NOT COULD NOT TESTIFY TO BUT TESTIFY TO, BUT TESITFY TO, BUT TESTIFY TO BUT I THINK IT WAS I THINK IT WAS I THIK IT WAS I THINK IT WAS ISAAC C. ISAAC C. ISAAC C. ISAAC C HAIGHT BUT HAIGHT, BUT HAIGHT [106] BUT HAIGHT BUT[?] I WOULD I WOULD I WOULD THINK WOULD NOT NOT NOT NOT DO THAT I TESTIFY TO IT TESTIFY TO IT, TESTIFY TO IT TESTIFY TO IT BECAUSE I BECAUSE I BECAUSE I BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW. Q. DON’T KNOW. DON’T KNOW? DON’T KNOW. STATE IF STATE IF Q. STATE IF [space] STATE IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW WHETHER JOHN WHETHER JOHN WHETHER JOHN WHETHER JOHN M. HIGBEE M. HIGBEE M .HIGBEE M. HIGBEE BELONGED TO BELONGED TO BELONGED TO BELONGED TO THE MILITIA OR THE MILITIA OR THE MILITIA OR THE MILITIA OR NOT ? A. WELL, NOT? WELL, NOT? A. WELL, NOT WELL HE BELONGED HE BELONGED HE BELONGED HE BELONGED TO THE TO THE TO THE TO THE MILITIA, BUT MILITIA, BUT MILLITIA, BUT MILITIA WHETHER WHETHER WHETHER IT WHETHER IT AS PRIVATE AS PRIVATE WAS PROVATE WAS PRIVATE OR OFFICER I OR OFFICER, I OR OFFICRER I OR OFFICER I DON’T KNOW. Q. DON’T KNOW. DON’T KNOW. DON’T KNOW HOW HOW Q. HOW [space] HOW MANY MEN DID MANY MEN DID MANY MEN DID MANY MEN DID JOHN D. LEE JOHN D. LEE JOHN D. LEE JOHN D. LEE TELL YOU HAD TELL YOU HAD TELL YOU HAD TELL YOU HAD GONE FROM GONE FROM GON FROM GONE FROM CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY TO THE MOUNTAIN THE MOUNTAIN THE MOUNTAIN THE
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MEADOWS, MEADOWS, MEADOWS, MEADOWS [[22]] AND THAT AND THAT AND THAT AND THAT WERE.PRESENT WERE WERE WERE PRESENT PRESENNT PRESENT AT THE MEADOWS AT THE TIME OF AT THE TIME OF AT THE TIME OF AT THE TIME OF THE MASSACRE THE MASSACRE? THE MASACRE?. THE MASSACRE A. WELL, IF WELL, IF A. WELL IF [space] WELL IF HE TOLD ME I HE TOLD ME I HE TOLD ME I HE TOLD ME I HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE FORGOTTEN. Q. FORGOTTEN. FORGOTTEN. Q. FORGOTTEN DID YOU EVER DID YOU EVER DID YOU EVER DID YOU KNOW HAVE A HAVE A HAVE ANY FROM ANY CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION WITH HIM OR WITH HIM, OR WITH HIM OR WITH HIM OR WITH ANY WITH ANY WITH ANY ANY OTHER OTHER OTHER MAN OTHER PERSON AS TO PERSON, AS TO PERSONAS TO PERSON HOW MANY OR HOW MANY OR HOW MANY OR HOW MANY OR ABOUT HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT HOW MANY MANY MANY THERE MANY WERE THERE ? WERE THERE? WERE THERE? WERE THERE A. NO, I DON’T NO, I DON’T A. NO, I DON’T NO I DID NOT KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT I BUT I HAVE. I HEARD HAD. I HEARD DID.I HEARD HAD THE IDEA THERE THERE THAT THERE THERE WAS WAS WAS WAS SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE FIFTY IN LIKE FIFTY IN LIKE 50 IN LIKE 50 IN ALL FROM ALL FROM ALL FROM ALL FROM CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY AND FROM AND FROM BELOW BELOW BELOW BELOW AND THERE, BUT THERE, BUT THERE, BUT THERE BUT THAT IS THAT IS THAT IS THAT IS NOTHING BUT NOTHING BUT ANOTHING BUT NOTHING BUT AN IDEA,NOT AN IDEA—NOT AN IDEA—NOT AN IDEA AND FOUNDED ON FOUNDED ON FOUNDED ON FOUNDED ON FACT, AS FACT—AS FACTS, JUST NO OTHER REPORTS. Q. REPORTS. REPORTS. Q. REPORTS. [space] YOU SPOKE YOU SPOKE YOU SPOKE YOU SPOKE ABOUT LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT LEE TELLING YOU TELLING YOU TELLING YOU TELLING YOU THAT THERE THAT THERE THAT THERE THERE
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WAS A WAS A WAS A WAS A NECESSITY FOR NECESSITY FOR NECESSITY FOR NECESSITY FOR KIL- [134] LING KILLING THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THOSE YOUNG THOSE YOUNG THOSE YOUNG THOSE YOUNG GIRLS, BECAUSE GIRLS, BECAUSE GIRLS, BECAUSE GIRLS BECAUSE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE OLDER THAN OLDER THAN OLDER THAN OLDER THAN THOSE THAT HIS THOSE THAT HIS THOSE THAT HIS THOSE THAT HIS ORDERS ORDERS ORDERS ORDERS HAD PERMITTED HIM PERMITTED HIM PERMITTED HIM PERMITTED HIM TO SAVE. Q. TO SAVE. TO SAVE. TO SAVE STATE NOW IF STATE NOW IF STATE NOW IF STATE NOW IF HE DID NOT HE DID NOT [373] HE DIDN’T HE DIDN’T TELL YOU IN TELL YOU IN TELL YOU IN TELL YOU IN THAT THAT THAT THAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION SOME REASON SOME REASON SOME REASONS SOME REASON FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE GROWN GROWN GROOWN GROWN PEOPLE ? A. THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE? A. THE PEOPLE THE REASON REASON REASON THAT REASON HE TOLD ME HE GAVE ME WAS WHAT I WAS WHAT I WAS TWHAT I WAS WHAT I TOLD YOU. TOLD YOU. TOLD YOU. TOLD YOU Q. DID DID Q. DIDN’T [space] DIDN’T HE NOT SAY HE NOT SAY HE SAY HE SAY THAT IF THEY THAT IF THEY THAT IF THEY THAT IF THEY WERE WERE WERE WERE PERMITTED PERMITTED PRERMITTED PERMITTED TO GO THEY TO GO THEY TO GO THEY TO GO THEY WOULD TELL WOULD TELL WOULD TELL WOULD TELL THE THE THE THE TALE TALE TALE TALE/PEOPLE[?] IN CALIFORNIA IN CALIFORNIA, IN CALIFORNIA IN CALIFORNIA ABOUT WHAT ABOUT WHAT OF WHAT OF WHAT HAD BEEN DONE HAD BEEN DONE HAD BEEN DONE HAD BEEN DONE THERE BY THE THERE BY THE BY THE BY THE MORMONS A. MORMONS? MORMONS? MORMONS HIS TALK WAS HIS TALK WAS A. HIS TALK [space] HIS TALK AND HIS AND HIS AND AND EXCUSES EXCUSES WEXCUSES EXCUSES WERE THAT WERE THAT WAS, THAT IF WAS THAT IF IT IT THEY DID GO IT THEY DID GO IT
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WOULD BE A WOULD BE A WOULD BE WOULD BE BAD BAD VERY BAD VERY BAD THING FOR THE THING FOR THE THING FOR THE THING FOR THE PEOPLE HERE IN PEOPLE HERE IN PEOPLE HERE IN PEOPLE HERE IN UTAH IF UTAH, IF THE SOUTH. IF THE SOUTH
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PEOPLE THAT IF PEOPLE, THAT IF PEOPLE, GTHAT PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE IF THEY WERE IF THEY WERE PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO GO THAT IT GO, THAT IT GO THAT IT GO THAT IT WOULD CALL WOULD CALL WOULD CALL WOULD CALL AN ARMY AN ARMY AN ARMY AN ARMY FROM THE FROM THE FROM THE FROM THE SOUTH AND SOUTH, AND SOUTH, AND SOUTH AND THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE REASON REASON TREASON REASON THESE THESE THESE THESE INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS WERE SENT AS WERE SENT AS WERE SENT AS WERE SENT THEY WERE ? A. THEY WERE? THEY WERE? A. —[?] HE DIDN’T SAY HE DIDN’T SAY HE DIDN’T SAY HE DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING [[23]] ANYTHING ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE PEOPLE. Q. PEOPLE. PEOPLE. Q. PEOPLE. [space] DID HE NOT DID HE NOT DIDN’T HE DIDN’T HE TELL YOU WHY TELL YOU WHY TELL YOU HOW TELL YOU WHY THE THE THE THE INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS INSTRUCTIONS CAME TO CAME TO CAME TO YOU —[?] CAME TO HIM AS THEY HIM AS THEY HIM AS THEY HIM AS THEY DID DID? DID? DID [space] DIDN’T HE GIVE DIDN’T HE GIVE IT AS A REASON IT AS A REASON A. HE HE ———A. HE HE DID NOT TELL DID NOT TELL DIDN’T TELL DIDN’T TELL WHO IT CAME WHO IT CAME WHO IT CAME WHO IT CAME FROM; HE SAID FROM, HE SAID FROM, HE SAID FROM HE SAID HE DID IT BY HE DID IT BY HE HAD IT FROM HE HAD IT FROM AUTHORITY AUTHORITY. AUTHORITY. AUTHORITY Q. DID DID Q..DIDN.’T [space] DIDN’T HE NOT TELL HE NOT TELL HE TELL HE TELL YOU THAT HE YOU THAT HE YOU THAT HE YOU THAT HE DID IT BY DID IT BY HAD IT FROM HAD IT FROM AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AND THE AND THE AND THE AND THE REASON THAT REASON THAT REASON THAT REASON THAT AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHORITY AUTHORITY GAVE WAS GAVE WAS GAVE IT WAS, GAVE IT WAS THAT THESE THAT THESE THAT THESE THAT THESE PARTIES IF PARTIES, IF PATRTIES, IF PARTIES IF
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PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO GO WOULD GO, WOULD GO, WOULD GO WOULD RAISE A WAR RAISE A WAR RAISE A RWAR RAISE A WAR CLOUD CLOUD CLOUD CLOUD <—[?]> IN CALIFORNIA IN CALIFORNIA? IN CALIFORNIA? IN CALIFORNIA ? [135] A. I DON’T I DON’T A. I DON’T I DON’T KNOW AS HE KNOW AS HE KNOW AS HE KNOW AS HE DID. DID. DID, DID. BUT I CALL HE SAID HE SAID HE SAID WELL HE SAID IN MY MIND
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CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY, CEDAR CITY EMIGRANT AND MET SOME AND MET SOME AND MET SOME CAMP MEN GOING TO MEN GOING TO MEN COMING THE EMIGRANT THE EMIGRANT CAMP FROM CAMP FROM FROM FROM CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY; CEDAR CITY; CEDAR CITY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT MET AT THE MET AT THE MET AT THE MET AT THE SPRINGS AND SPRINGS, AND SPTRINGS SPRINGS THAT THAT THEN YOUNG AIDEN YOUNG AIDEN WHEN ADEN WHEN ADEN WAS KILLED BY WAS KILLED BY WAS KILLED BY WAS KILLED BY WILLIAM C. WILLIAM C. STEWART ? A. STEWART? ATEWART?? A. STEWART [space] HE GAVE ME HE GAVE ME HE GAVE ME HE GAVE ME AN ACCOUNT AN ACCOUNT AN ACCOUNT AN ACCOUNT OF IT Q. TELL OF IT. TELL OF IT. Q. TELL OF IT TELL ME WHAT HE ME WHAT HE ME WHAT HE ME WHAT HE SAID ABOUT IT SAID ABOUT IT? SAID ABOUT IT? SAID ABOUT ? A. I CAN’T DO I CAN’T DO A. I CAN’T THAT I CAN’T TELL YOU TELL YOU THAT. THAT. ABOUT THAT. THAT [space] Q. THEN GIVE THEN GIVE Q. GIVE ME GIVE ME ME THE THE THE THE SUBSTANCE OF SUBSTANCE OF SUBSTANCE OF SUBSTANCE OF IT ? A. IT IT. IT IT? A. IT IT? IT WOULD BE WOULD BE WOUOLD BE WOULD BE FROM MEMORY FROM MEMORY, FROM MEMORY FROM MEMORY AND THERE AND THERE AND THERE AND IT MIGHT BE AN MIGHT BE AN MIGHT BE AN MIGHT BE AN ERROR IN IT. ERROR IN IT. ERROR IN IT. ERROR IN IT HE TOLD ME— HE TOLD ME— HE [space] HE HE SPOKE OF HE SPOKE OF SPOKE OF SPOKE OF THREE MEN THREE MEN THREE MEN 3 MEN STARTING STARTING STARTING STARTING BACK TO GO TO BACK TO GO TO TO GO TO BACK TO GO TO CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR CITY TO CEDAR VCITY TO CEDAR CITY TO GET GET GET GET ASSISTANCE ASSISTANCE ASSISTANCE ASSISTANCE AND TO GIVE AND TO GIVE AND TO GIVE AND TO GIVE THE INFORMATION INFORMATION INFORMATION INFORMATION OF WHAT WAS OF WHAT WAS OF TWHAT WAS OF WHAT WAS GOING ON GOING ON GOING ON GOING ON
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AFTER THE AFTER THE AFTER THE AFTER THE FIRST INDIAN FIRST INDIAN FIRST ATTACK FIRST ATTACK ATTACK. ATTACK. OF THE INDIANS. OF THE INDIANS DURING THAT DURING THAT DURING THAT DURING THAT TIME THERE TIME THERE TINME THERE TIME THERE WERE THREE WERE THREE WAS THREE WAS 3 MEN WENT OUT MEN WENT OUT MEN WENT OUT MEN WENT OUT IN THE NIGHT IN THE NIGHT, IN THE NIGHT IN THE NIGHT AND ONE WAS AND ONE WAS AND ONE WAS AND ONE WAS KILLED AT KILLED AT KILLED AT KILLED AT LITTLE PINTO LITTLE PINTO, LITTLE PINTO, LITTLE PINTO FOUR MILES FOUR MILES FOUR MILES 4 MILES THIS SIDE OF THIS SIDE OF THIS SIDE OF THIS SIDE OF THE THE THE [108] THE MOUNTIAIN MOUNTAIN MEADOWS. MEADOWS. MEADOWNS. MEADOWS [[24]] I DON’T I DON’T I DON’T TELL I DON’T KNOW WHO HE KNOW WHO HE KNLW WHO HE KNOW WHO HE SAID KILLED SAID KILLED SAID KILLED SAID KILLED THEM. I DON’T THEM. I DON’T THEM. I DON’T THEM I DON’T KNOW AS HE [374] KNOW AS HE KNOW AS HE KNOW AS HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID THAT HE SAID HE KNEW. I THINK KNEW. I THINK KNEW. I THINK KNEW I THINK ONE WAS ONE WAS ONE WAS ONE WAS KILLED THERE KILLED THERE, KILLED THERE KILLED AND THE AND THE AND THE AND OTHER OTHER OTHER OTHER CAME GOT BACK TO GOT BACK TO GOT BACK TO BACK THEIR CAMP. THEIR CAMP. CAMP, AND BUT THEY THEY THEY THEY WOUNDED WOUNDED WOUNDED WOUNDED HIM IN THE ONE IN THE ONE IN THE ONE IN THE NIGHT AND THE NIGHT, AND THE NIGHT, AND NIGHT AND THOUGHT WAS THOUGHT WAS THAT AND THAT AND THAT THIS THIS OTHER THINGS OTHER THINGS AS HE AS HE SUPPOSED SUPPOSED WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD WOULD LEDAD WOULD LEAD TO TO TO BRING TO BRINGING ON THEIS ON THIS TROUBLE IF TROUBLE IF TROUBLE IF TROUBLE IF THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WAS THEY WAS PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO GO, GO, GO. THAT GO [space] THAT
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ON ACCOUNT ON ACCOUNT ON ACCOUNT ON ACCOUNT OF THIS MAN OF THIS MAN OF THIS MAN OF THEM BEING BEING BEING CONVERSATION WOUNDED AND WOUNDED AND WOUNDED AND [space] TELLING HOW TELLING HOW TELLING HOW IT WAS DONE IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE, AND ABOUT THE OTHER BEING AND ONE KILLED AT THE KILLED AT THE AND AND SPRINGS, AND SPRINGS [space] WHAT HAD WHAT HAD WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN HAPPENED IN HAPPENED IN THE PAST. THE PAST, THE PAST. THAT THAT THAT WAS WAS WAS WHAT HE WAS WHAT HE ABOUT HIS ABOUT HIS SAID, ON SAID ON LANGUAGE. LANGUAGE; ACCOUNT OF ACCOUNT OF THOSE THESE/THIS[?] BEING BEING WOULNDED WOUNDED THERE AND THERE AND WHAT HAD WHAT HAD HAPPEJNED IN HAPPENED IN THE PAST; IT THE PAST WAS THE BEST WAS BEST THING TO DO. THING WHAT HAD WHAT HAD WHAT HHAD WHAT HAD HAPPENED HAPPENED HAPPENED HAPPENED WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD TO [136] TO TO TO BRINGING AN ARMY UPON BRINGING BRINGING BRING ON BRINGING TROUBLE, TROUBLE, TROUBLE AND TROUBLE AND PERHAPS AN PERHAPS AN PERHAPS AN PERHAPS AN ARMY ON THE ARMY ON THE ARMY ON THE ARMY ON THE SOUTHERN SOUTHERN SOUTHERN SOUTHERN PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE [space] AND AND AND AND ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY[?] THAT ACTION THAT ACTION THAT ACTION THAT ACTION AT THE AT THE THERE AT THE THERE AT THE SPRINGS AND SPRINGS, IN SPRINGS AND SPRINGS AND THE KILLING THE KILLING THE KILLINT THE KILLING OF THAT THAT OGF OF THAT OF THAT
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MAN. MAN. NMAN. I DON’T MAN I DON’T KNOW ABOUT KNOW ABOUT THAT,- WHAT HE THAT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT IT.? SAID ABOUT IT. Q. DID LEE DID LEE Q..DID HE [space] DID HE TELL YOU WHO TELL YOU WHO TELL YOU WHO TELL YOU WHO WAS AT THE WAS AT THE WAS AT THE WAS AT THE SPRINGS AT SPRINGS AT SPRINGS AT SPRINGS AT THAT TIME ? A. THAT TIME? THAT TIME?? A. THAT TIME NO, ? IF HE DID I NO, IF HE DID, I IF HE DID, I NO IF HE DID I DON’T DON’T DON’T DON’T REMEMBER. REMEMBER. REMEMBER. REMEMBER BY/ABOUT[?] THE SCENE/ONLY[?] THAT HE ~[space] Q. DID HE SAY DID HE SAY Q. DID HE SAY DIDN’T HE SAY THIS TO YOU, THIS TO YOU— THIS TO YOU: THIS TO YOU THAT IT WAS THAT IT WAS THAT IT WAS THAT IT WAS UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD UNDERSTOOD BY THE BY THE BY THE BY THE AUTHORITIES AUTHORITIES AYUTHORITIES AUTHORITIES THAT ONE THAT ONE THZAT THIS THAT THESE MAN WAS MAN WAS MAN BEING MEN BEING WOUNDED AT WOUNDED AT ATTACKED AT ATTACKED AT THE SPRINGS THE SPRINGS, THE SPRINGS, THE SPRINGS AND ONE MAN AND ONE MAN AND THIS MAN AND THIS MAN KILLED KILLED BEING KILLED BEING KILLED BY STEWART BY STEWART, BY STWEWART, BY STEWART AND IF THOSE AND IF THOSE IF THESE IF THOSE PEOPLE WERE PEOPLE WERE PEOPLE WERE PEOPLE WERE PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO PERMITTED TO GO TO GO TO GO TO GO TO CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA THEY WOULD THEY WOULD THEY WOULD THEY WOULD NOTIFY THE NOTIFY THE NOTIFY THE NOTIFY THE PEOPLE OF PEOPLE OF POEOPLE OF PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE WHITES HAD WHITES HAD WHITES HAD WHITES HAD MADE AN MADE AN MADE AN MADE AN ATTACK IN ATTACK IN ATTACK IN ATTACK IN CONJUNCTION CONJUNCTION CONJUNCTION CONJUNCTION WITH THE WITH THE——— WITH THE WITH THE INDIANS. INDIANS; INDIANS AND INDIANS AND
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THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY THAT THEY WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD WOULD LEAD AN ARMY AN ARMY AN ARMY AN ARMY FROM THE FROM THE FROM THE FROM THE SOUTH AND SOUTH AND SOUTH AND SOUTH AND WEST AND WEST, AND WEST; AND WEST AND THAT FOR THAT FOR THAT FOR THAT FOR SAFETY THEY SAFETY THEY SAFETY IT WAS SAFETY IT WAS CONSIDERED IT CONSIDERED IT CONSIDERED CONSIDERED NECESSARY AS NECESSARY AS NECESSARY AS NECESSARY AS A WAR A WAR A WAR A WAR MEASURE TO MEASURE TO MEASURE TO MEASURE TO KILL THOSE KILL THOSE KILL THEOSE KILL THOSE PEOPLE ? PEOPLE? PEOPLE. PEOPLE. HOWARD: IF I WERE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE AUTHORITIES I WOULD OBJECT TO THIS QUESTION, BUT AS I AM NOT I WILL LET IT GO. A. I THINK HE I THINK HE A. I THINK IN I THINK I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU,MR. I TOLD YOU MR. THAT THAT BISHOP, THAT BISHOP THAT WHEN I ASKED WHEN I ASKED WHEN I ASKED WHEN I ASKED HIM HE HIM, HE HIM THAT HE HIM HE TOLD ME THAT TOLD ME THAT TOLD ME THAT TOLD ME THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD LEAD TO LEAD TO LEDAD TO LEAD TO BRINGING AN BRINGING AN BRINGING AN BRINGING AN ARMY HERE. I ARMY HERE. I ARMY HERE. ARMY HERE [[25]] AM SATISFIED AM SATISFIED SATISFIED SATISFIED THAT THAT IS THAT IS WHAT THAT IS WHAT THAT IS WHAT WHAT HE SAID, HE SAID. HE SAID.. HE SAID BUT AS TO THE BUT AS TO THE BUT THE BUT THE PARTICULARS PARTICULARS PEARTICULARS PARTICULARS OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING OF THE KILLING AT LITTLE AT LITTLE AT LITTLE AT LITTLE
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PINTO I PINTO I PINTO, I PINTO I COULD NOT COULD NOT WCOULD NOT COULD NOT SAY, ONLY SAY, ONLY SAY, ONLY SAY ONLY THAT A MAN THAT A MAN THAT A MAN THAT A MAN WAS KILLED WAS KILLED WAS KILLED WAS KILLED THERE AND THERE AND THERE AND THERE AND ONE WOUNDED ONE WOUNDED, ONE WOUNDED ONE WOUNDED AND THEY AND THEY AND THEY AND THEY HAD GOT HAD GOT HAD GOT D/HAD[?] TO BACK. BACK; BACK. GO/TOGETHER[?] THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE ATTACK AT ATTACK AT ATTACK AT ATTACK AT DAY-LIGHT DAYLIGHT DAYLIGHT WAS DAYLIGHT WAS WAS THE WAS THE WHAT WHAT LEAD CAUSE OF THE CAUSE OF THE CAUSED THE CAUSED THE EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS EMIGRANTS TO EMIGRANTS TO BEING KILLED. BEING KILLED. BE KILLED. BE KILLED HOWARD689 IF I WERE ATTORNEY FOR THE AUTHORITIES I WOULD OBJECT TO THAT QUESTION
689. In the left margin. The phrase “HOWARD . . . IT GO” is circled. A vertical line reaches from that point to the bottom of the page.
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JOHN D. LEE. I JOHN D. LEE I AM HERE AS AN AM HERE AS AN ATTORNEY AND ATTORNEY AND OFFICER OF OFFICER OF THIS COURT, TO THIS COURT TO DEFEND THIS DEFEND THIS KMAN MAN ACCORDING TO ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND I F ABILITY AND I F TEHE EVIDENCE THE EVIDENCE NECESSARY TO NECESSARY FOR HIS ACQUITAL HIS ACQUITTAL SHOULD SHALL CONVICT ALL CONVICT ALL OF GOD’S OF GOD’S CREATION I CREATION I CAN’T HELP IT, CAN’T HELP IT NOR I DON’T NOR I DON’T CARE; CARE. I THINK THAT IT IT COMES WITH THE/AN[?] OBJECT[?] COURSE FROM BUT THE THE PROSECUTION PROSECUTION WOUDLD TAUNT TO TAUNT ME WITH THE ME WITH THE FACT THAT IF FACT THAT IF THEY WERE THE THEY WERE THE ATTORNEYS ATTORNEYS FOR THE FOR THE CHURCH OR THE CHURCH OR THE AUTHORITIES AUTHORITIES THAT THEY THAT THEY WOULD OBJECT WOULD OBJECT TO THIS TO THIS TESTIMONY. WE TESTIMONY I ARE SIR ARE690 SEEKING FOR SEEKING FOR THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH AND
690. The shorthand was corrected to read “AM”.
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I WANT THIS I WANT THIS WITNESS TO WITNESS TO TELL TELL EVERYTHING EVERYTHING THAT HE THAT HE KNOWS. I KNOWS AND I WANT EVERY WANT EVERY WITNESS THAT WITNESS THAT COMES UPON COMES UPON THIS STAND TO THIS STAND TO TELL ALL HE TELL ALL HE KNOWS. I KNOWS. I PROPOSE TO PROPOSE TO QUESTION QUESTION WITNESSES WITNESSES WHEN THEY WHEN THEY COME UPON COME UPON THIS STAND TO THIS STAND TO GIVE THE GIVE THE PRECISE PRECISE/PRSH[?] CONVERSATIONS CONVERSATION . I PROPOSE TO I PROPOSE TO BRING OUT ALL BRING OUT ALL OF THAT OF THAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION IF IF I AM ABLE THAT I AM ABLE TO, AND TO TO BRING TO MAKE THEM MAKE THEM GIVE THE GIVE THE ENTIRE FACTS; ENTIRE FACTS THEN I PROPOSE THEN I PROPOSE TO GO BEFORE TO GO BEFORE THIFS JURY AND THIS JURY AND GIVE THEM MY GIVE THEM MY REASONS WHY REASONS WHY THAT EVIDENCE THAT EVIDENCE IS NOT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO SUFFICIENT TO HANG HAVE HANG JOHN D. LEE. I JOHN D. LEE I KNOW MY KNOW MY BROTHER BROTHER HOWARD DOES HOWARD DOES NOT MAKE NOT MAKE
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THESE THESE REMARKS REMARKS [[26]] IN AN UNKIND IN AN UNKIND SPIRIT.; BUT I SPIRIT [space] I FEEL IT MY FEEL IT MY DITY TO MAKE DUTY TO MAKE THIS MUCH OF A THIS MUCH OF A PERSONAL PERSONAL EXPLENATION. EXPLANATION I I DO IT MAKE IT I DO IT IN NO IN NO UNKINDNESS TO UNKINDNESS TO HIM OR &ANY HIM OR ANY OTHER PERSON, OTHER PERSONS BUT THAT I MAY BUT THAT I MAY BE FULLY BE FULLY UNDERSTAND UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD REPEATING[?] A [space] NEITHER ONE HAS RAISED TESTIMONY IN THE POSITION I POSITION I OCCUPY IS A OCCUPY A PECULIAR PECULIAR POSITION AS POSITION AS WELL AS BEING WELL AS BEING IN THE MIDST IN THE MIDST OF A PECULIAR OF A PECULIAR PEOPLE. . I AM PEOPLE I AM HERE NOW TO HERE NOW TO DO MY DUTY AS DO MY DUTY AS I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I IT I PROPOSE TO DO PROPOSE TO DO IT IN FAIRNESS IT IN FAIRNESS AND AND EARNESTLY, EARNESTLY USING OTHERS USING OTHERS AS I WOU,LD WH AS I WOULD WISH TO BE WISH TO BE USED MYSELF. IN USED MYSELF SEEKING NOT SEEKING
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TO GET TO GET WITNESSES TO WITNESSES CONFESS FULLY CONFUSED NOR ANYTHING OF ANYTHING OF THE KIND, THEY THE KIND MAY KNOW, OR BUT TO ENABLE TO ENABLE THEM BY THEM BY QUESTIONS QUESTIONS THAT THAT WILL THAT WILL STRENGTHEN STRENGTHEN THEIR MEMORY THEIR MEMORY TO GIVE ALL TO GIVE ALL THEY KNOW THEY KNOW ABOUT THAT ABOUT THAT HORRIBLE HORRIBLE TRANSACTION. TRANSACTION IN FACT I WZANT IN FACT I WANT A WITNESS THE WITNESS TO TO TELL IT AS TO TELL IT AS BEST HE CAN BEST I CAN AND IT IS TO AND IT IS TO ENABLE THE ENABLE THE PROSECUTION PROSECUTION TO KNOW THE TO KNOW THE FULL FACTS. FULL FACTS THAT I AM HERE[?] TO [space] GOD IF KNOWS THAT IF THIS EVIDENCE THIS EVIDENCE BE TRUE IT BE TRUE IT CAN’T HURT CAN’T HURT JOHN D. LEE TO JOHN D. LEE TO MAKE IT MAKE IT FULLER. FULLER AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THEY HAD ANY CIRCUMSTANCE S ANY PLACES ANY OTHER PARTIES THAT WERE THE
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MOVING CAUSE [110] I IN THIS CASE I HOPE MY HOPE MY BROTHER BROTHER HOWARD WILL HOWARD WILL ACCEPT THIS ACCEPT THIS EXPLENATION EXPLANATION IN A SPIRIT IN IN THE SPIRIT IN WHICH IT IS WHICH IT IS INTENDED, THAT OFFERED THAT I MAY FOLLOW I AM BOLD[?] TO UP THIS COURSE THIS COURSE OF DUTY, AND DO IT BECAUSE I BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT TO BELIEVE IT TO BE A DUTY. BE DUTY. [space] HOWARD: [[27]] HOWARD I DON’T [space] I DON’T LIKE THE LIKE THE GENTLEMANS GENTLEMAN APPOLOGY EXPLENATIONS, EXPLANATION BUT MAKING MAKE AN[?] THE APPOLOGY APOLOGY W I WILL ACCEPT I WILL ACCEPT IT. IT [space] I SUPPOSE I DID THIS MYSELF691 THIS HAS BEEN A HAS BEEN A PECULIAR CASE PECULIAR CASE IT IS A CASE IT IS A CASE AS I SAID THAT AS I SAID IN MY OPENING IN MY OPENING I HAVE SPENT I HAVE SPENT THE BEST THREE THE PAST 3 MONTHS OF MY MONTHS OF MY LIFE PERHAPS LIFE PERHAPS NIGHT AND DAY NIGHT AND DAY IN ITS IN ITS PREPARATION PREPARATION MY DEFENSE THAT AFTER
691. A curved line encloses “I DID MYSELF”.
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HAVING ACCOMPANIED NO OTHER MAN IN INVESTIGATING AND AFTER IT AND AFTER SPENDING THAT SPENDING THAT LENGTH OF LENGTH OF TIME I COME TIME I CAME HERE FAIRLY HERE FAIRLY AND SQUARLY AND SQUARELY BEFORE THIS BEFORE THIS JURY AND LAID JURY AND LAID BEFORE THEM BEFORE THEM DOCUMENTARY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE THAT EVIDENCE THAT WAS ADMITTED WAS ADMITTED BY BY THE COUNSEL FOR COUNSEL
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AND SAY AND SAY BEFORE THIS BEFORE THIS COMMUNITY COMMUNITY BEFORE THIS
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SATISFY THIS SATISFY THIS JURY OF IT. JURY THAT — [space] WHERE IF HE IS [space] IF HE IS TO PROVE THAT TO PROVE THAT THE CHURCH THE CHURCH COMMITTED COMMITTED THAT CRIME THAT CRIME BRING ONE [111] BRING ONE THE EVIDENCE. THE EVIDENCE BISHOP: [space]
692. In the left margin.
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TO HAVE/IN[?] ETC., WELL AS THE HONOR ABOUT/OBJECT[? ] I WISH TO TAKE[?] THE[?] I WISH TO SAY I AM THIS THAT I AM SURPRISED SURPRISED THAT THIS THAT THIS ARGUEMENT HA ARGUMENT HAS S COME UP HERE COME UP HERE ABOUT THE ABOUT THE LEADERS OF LEADERS OF THE CHURCH THE CHURCH AND AND ABOUT AND ABOUT JOHN D. THAT JOHN D. LEE NOT BEING LEE NOT BEING IN THE CHURCH IN THE CHURCH &C. FOR SO &C FOR SO MANY YEARS. MANY YEARS UNDER THE TESTIMONY ~ COURT: [space] COURT: HE HAS NOT HE HAS NOT TEST TESTIFIED TESTIFIED ON THAT ON THAT —[?]. AFFAIR. [space] Q. MR. MR. HOWARD: Q MR. [[29]] MR. HAMBLIN, HAMBLIN, HAMBLIN, HAMBLIN HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU NOW DETAILED NOW DETAILED DETAILED DETAILED TO THE JURY TO THE JURY TO THE JURY TO THE JURY ALL OF ALL OF NOW ALL OF NOW ALL OF THE THE THE THE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION THAT YOU THAT YOU THZAT YOU THAT YOU HAD WITH HAD WITH HAVE WITH HAD WITH JOHN D. LEE AT JOHN D. LEE, AT JOHN D. LEE AT JOHN D. LEE AT THE TIME THAT THE TIME THAT THE TIME THAT THE TIME THAT YOU MET YOU MET OU YOU MET YOU MET HIM 7 OR HIM SEVEN OR HIM 7 OR HIM 7 OR 8 MILES EIGHT MILES 8 MILES FROM 8 MILES FROM THIS SIDE OF THIS SIDE OF
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FILLMORE ? A. I FILLMORE? FILLMORE? A. I FILLMORE THINK I HAVE, I THINK I THINK I HAVE, [space] I THINK I THAT I HAVE, THAT I THAT I HAVE THAT I RECOLLECT RECOLLECT RECOLLECT RECOLLECT DISTINCTLY DISTINCTLY DISTINCRLY DISTINCTLY ENOUGH TO ENOUGH TO ENOUGH TO ENOUGH TO MENTION MENTION INTRODUCRE INTRODUCE HERE. I MAY HERE. I MAY HERE. I MAY HERE I MAY THINK OF THINK OF THINK OSOF THINK OF SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING ELSE. Q. ELSE. ELASE. Q. ELSE YOU SAY YOU YOU SAY YOU YOU SAY YOU YOU SAY YOU SAW SOME OF SAW SOME OF SAW SOME OF SAW SOME OF THE CATTLE ON THE CATTLE ON THE CATTLE ON THE CATTLE ON THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY THE HARMONY RANGE — HOW RANGE. HOW RANGE, HOW RANGE HOW MANY PEOPLE MANY PEOPLE MANY PEOPLE MANY PEOPLE USED THAT USED THAT USED THAT USED THAT RANGE FOR RANGE FOR RANGE?? RANGE THEIR CATTLE ? THEIR CATTLE? I [137] A. I THINK THINK A. I THINK I THINK SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE TWENTY LIKE TWENTY LIKE 20 MA LIKE 20 FAMILIES. Q. DO FAMILIES. FAMILIES. Q. FAMILIES [space] YOU KNOW DO YOU KNOW DO YOU KNOW DO YOU KNOW WHO TOOK WHO TOOK WHO TOOK WHO TOOK CHARGE OF CHARGE OF CHARGE OF CHARGE OF THE STOCK THE STOCK THE STOCK THAT STOCK IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE AFTER THE AFTER THE AFTER THE MASSACRE ? A. MASSACRE? MASSACRE? A. MASSACRE? I MET TWO I MET TWO I MET TWO I MET TWO YOUNG MEN YOUNG MEN YOUNG MEN YOUNG MEN DRIVING IT, DRIVING IT— DRIVING IN DRIVING IN BETWEEN 200 BETWEEN TWO BETWEEN TWO BETWEEN 2 AND 300 AND THREE AND THREE AND 3 HEAD. HUNDRED HEAD. HUNDRED HEAD. HUNDRED HEAD Q. WHO WHO WQ. WHO WERE [space] WHO WERE THEY ? WERE THEY? THEY? WERE THEY A. THEY LIVED THEY LIVED A. THEY LIVED [space] LIVED AT CEDAR AT CEDAR AYT CEDAR IN CEDAR CITY, I DID NOT CITY. I DID NOT CITY. I DID NOT CITY I DID NOT KNOW THEM. KNOW THEM. KNOW THEM KNOW THEM THEY SAID THEY SAID THEY BSAID THEY SAID
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THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WAS THEY WAS GOING TO GOING TO GOING TO GOING TO DRIVE THEM TO DRIVE THEM TO DRIVE THEM TO DRIVE THEM TO THE IRON THE IRON THE IRON THE IRON SPRINGS AND SPRINGS, AND SPRINGS; AND SPRINGS AND THEN THEN THEN THEN AFTERWARDS I AFTERWARDS I AFTERWARDS I AFTERWARDS I LEARNED THAT LEARNED THAT LEARNED THAT LEARNED THAT JOHN D. LEE JOHN D. LEE MR. LEE MR. LEE TOOK THEM. TOOK THEM. TOOK THEM. TOOK THEM. Q. WHO WHO Q. WHO [space] WHO WERE THOSE WERE THOSE WERE THOSE WERE THOSE YOUNG MEN ? YOUNG MEN? YOUNG MEN? YOUNG MEN A. I DO NOT I DO NOT A. I DON’RT I DON’T KNOW. I KNOW. I KNOW. I KNOW THAT WAS NOT WAS NOT WAS NOT ACQUAINTED ACQUAINTED ACQUAINTED WITH THEM. [375] WITH THEM. WITH THEM. I WAS NOT I WAS NOT I WAS NOT I WAS NOT MUCH MUCH ACQUAINTED ACQUAINTED AT ACQUAINTED IN ACQUAINTED IN AT CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY. CEDAR CITY, CEDAR CITY THEY LIVED THEY LIVED THEY LIVED THEY LIVED THERE THEY THERE, THEY THERE THEY THERE THEY SAID. Q. HOW SAID. HOW SAID. Q. HOW SAID. HOW FAR DID YOU FAR DID YOU FAR DID YOU FAR DID YOU LIVE FROM LIVE FROM LIVE FROM LIVE FROM CEDAR CITY AT CEDAR CITY AT CEDAR CITY AT CEDAR CITY AT THAT TIME ? A. THAT TIME? THAT TIME? A. THAT TIME MY FAMILY MY FAMILY MY FAMILY MY FAMILY WAS THEN WAS THEN WAS THEN WAS THEN TWENTY EIGHT TWENTY-EIGHT 20 28 M LES FROM MILES FROM MILES FROM MILES FROM CEDAR CITY, CEDAR CITY, CEDAR CITY CEDAR CITY AT THE AT THE AT THE AT THE MEADOWS. MEADOWS. MEADOWNS. MEADOWS Q. DID YOU DID YOU Q. DID YOU [space] DID YOU SPEND ANY SPEND ANY SPEND ANY SPEND ANY TIME AT CEDAR TIME AT CEDAR TIME IN CEDAR TIME IN CEDAR CITY CITY CITY AFTER CITY AFTER SOON SOON THAT—SOON THAT SOON AFTERWARDS ? AFTERWARDS? AFTERWARDS? AFTERWARDS A. WHEN I WHEN I A. WHEN I WHEN I CAME CAME CAME CAME
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THROUGH I THROUGH I THROUGH I THROUGH I STOPPED STOPPED STOPPED STOPPED ABOUT TEN ABOUT TEN ABOUT 10 ABOUT TEN <10> MINUTES. I WAS MINUTES. I WAS MINUTES. I WAS MINUTES I WAS ON AN ON AN ON AN ON AN EXPRESS. Q. EXPRESS. EXPRESS. Q. EXPRESS [space] WHERE WERE WHERE WERE WAS WHERE WAS YOU CARRYING YOU CARRYING YOU CARRYING YOU CARRYING THE EXPRESS ? . THE EXPRESS? THE EXPRESS? THE EXPRESS A. I WAS I WAS [112] A. I WAS I WAS GOING TO GOING TO GOING TO GOING TO OVERTAKE OVERTAKE OVERTAKE OVERTAKE ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER ANOTHER COMPANY. COMPANY. COMPAJNY. COMPANY COLONEL COLONEL COLONEL COLONEL DAME WAS DAME WAS DAME WAS DAME WAS AFRAID THEY AFRAID THEY AFRAID THEY AFRAID THEY WOULD JUMP WOULD JUMP WOULD JUMP WOULD JUMP ON TO THEM INTO THEM, INTO THEM, INTO THEM AND WANTED AND WANTED AND WANTED AND WANTED ME TO GO AND ME TO GO AND ME TO GO AND ME TO GO AND SEE TO IT. SEE TO IT. SEE TO IT. SEE IT ABOUT IT Q. AFRAID WHO AFRAID WHO Q. AFRAID WHO [space] WHO WOULD JUMP WOULD JUMP WOULD JUMP [space] ON TO THEM ? INTO THEM? INTO THEM? A. THE INDIANS. THE INDIANS. A. THE INDIANS. THE INDIANS Q. WHERE WHERE Q. WHERE [space] WHERE DID YOU GET DID YOU GET DID YOU GET DID YOU GET THAT EXPRESS THAT EXPRESS? THE EXPRESS? THAT EXPRESS ? A. FROM FROM A. FROM [space] FROM HIM. [138] Q. HIM. HIKM. Q. HIM WHERE AT ? A. WHERE AT? WHERE AT? A. WHERE AT AT WILD-CAT AT WILD CAT AT WILD CAT [space] WILD CAT CANYON EIGHT CANYON, EIGHT CANTON, 8 CANYON [[30]] 8 OR TEN MILES OR TEN MILES OR 10 MILES OR 10 MILES NORTH OF NORTH OF NORTH OF NORTH OF HERE. Q. HERE. THERE. HERE [space] THAT WAS THAT WAS Q- THAT WAS THAT WAS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHILE YOU WHILE YOU WERE COMING WERE COMING WAS COMING WAS COMING FROM SALT FROM SALT FROM SALT FROM SALT LAKE—THAT LAKE? THAT LAKE ? A. THAT LAKE THAT WAS AFTER WAS. AFTER WAS. Q. AFTER WAS AFTER YOU HAD LEFT YOU HAD LEFT YOU HAD LEFT YOU HAD LEFT
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JOHN D. LEE ? A. JOHN D. LEE? JOHN FD. LEE. A. JOHN D. LEE YES SIR. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YES HE WISHED ME TO [space] Q. WHO WERE WHO WERE Q. WAS WHO WAS YOU CARRYING YOU CARRYING YOU CARRYING YOU CARRYING THAT EXPRESS THAT EXPRESS THE EXPRESS THAT EXPRESS TO ? A. TO? TOO, TO [space] TO TO TO CARRYING IT TO THE INDIANS— THE INDIANS— THE INDIANS— THE INDIANS IF THERE WERE IF THERE WERE IF THERE WAS IF THERE WAS ANY, HE SAID ANY. HE SAID ANY? A. HE SAID ANY HE SAID HE HAD HE HAD HE HE HAD LEARNED THEY LEARNED THEY LEARNED THEY LEARNED THEY WERE WERE WERE WERE FOLLOWING UP FOLLOWING UP FOLLOWING UP FOLLOWING UP THIS COMPANY. THIS COMPANY. THIS COMPANY. THIS COMPANY Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT COMPANY ? A. COMPANY? COMPANY? A. COMPANY THE COMPANY THE COMPANY THE COMPANY THE COMPANY THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT FOLLOWING UP FOLLOWING UP FOLLOWING UP FOLLOWED THE COMPANY THE COMPANY THE COMPANY THE COMPANY THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT WAS MASSACRED. MASSACRED. MASSACRED. MASSACRED THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WAS STOPPED HERE STOPPED HERE STOPPED HERE STOPPED HERE A WHILE AND A WHILE, AND A WHILE AND A WHILE THE THE INDIANS THE INDIANS THE INDIANS INDIANS WOUNDED ONE WOUNDED ONE, WOULNDED ONE, WOUNDED ONE OR KILLED OR KILLED OR KILLED OR KILLED ONE, OR ONE, OR ONE OR ONE OR SOMETHING. SOMETHING. SOMETHING. SOMETHING. Q. HAVE HAVE Q. HAVE [space] HAVE YOU EVER YOU EVER YOU EVER YOU EVER GIVEN THIS GIVEN THIS GIVEN THIS GIVEN THIS CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU HAD WITH LEE WITH LEE, WITH LEE. HAVE WITH LEE HAVE YOU EVER YOU EVER TO TO GIVEN IT TO GIVEN IT IN ANY ONE TO ANY ONE, TO ANYONE, OF FULL TO THE THE PUBLIC THE PUBLIC THE PEOPLE PEOPLE GENERALLY ?— GENERALLY? GENERALLY — GENERALLY TOLD ABOUT IT? UNTIL TODAY
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I DO NOT ASK IF I DO NOT ASK IF I DO NOT ASK IF DO NOT ASK IF YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU GIVE IT TO YOU GAVE IT TO STATED IT TO STATED IT TO THE COUNSEL THE COUNSEL THE COUNSIEL THE COUNSEL IN THIS CASE, IN THE CASE, IN THE CASE. IN THE CASE BUT TO OTHERS BUT TO OTHERS? ? A. I HAVE NO I HAVE NO A. I HAVE NO I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION RECOLLECTION RECOLLECTION RECOLLECTION OF IT. Q. OF IT. OF IT. Q. OF IT [space] HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU EVER GIVEN IT EVER GIVEN IT EVER GIVEN IT EVER GONE TO ANY TO ANY TO ANY BEFORE ANY COURT OR JURY COURT OR JURY, COURT OR JURY, COURT OR JURY OR GIVEN OR GIVEN OR GIVEN OR/AND[?] GIVEN A STATEMENT A STATEMENT A STATEMENT A STATEMENT OF IT ? A. NO OF IT? NO, OF IT? A. NO, OF IT NO SIR, NOT AT SIR, NOT AT SIR, SIR ALL, NOT ALL—NOT NOT NOT UNTIL NOW. UNTIL NOW. UNTIL NOW. UNTIL NOW Q. HAVE HAVE Q. HAVE [space] HAVE YOU EVER YOU EVER YOU EVER YOU EVER GIVEN A GIVEN A GIVEN A GIVEN A REPORT OF REPORT OF STATEMENT OF STATEMENT OF IT TO ANY OF IT TO ANY OF IT TO ANY OF IT TO ANY OF YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR SUPERIORS IN SUPERIORS IN SUPERIORS— SUPERIORS? THE CHURCH THE CHURCH, OR OFFICERS OR OFFICERS OFFICERS
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RECOLLECTED RECOLLECTED I RECOLLECTED I RECOLLECTED MORE OF IT. [139] MORE OF IT. MORE OF IT. Q. MORE OF IT Q. DI Q. WHEN WHEN WHEN [space] WHEN DID YOU DO DID YOU DO DID YOU DO DID YOU DO THAT ? A. THAT? THAT? A. THAT PRETTY SOON PRETTY SOON PRETTY SOON PRETTY SOON AFTER IT AFTER IT AFTER IT AFTER IT HAPPENED. Q. HAPPENED. HAPPENED. Q. HAPPENED? YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU ARE CERTAIN YOU CERTAIN YOU CERTAIN YOU CERTAIN YOU TOLD IT TOLD IT GAVE THIS ONE GAVE —[?] ONE FULLER FULLER FULLER BUT[?] FULLER THAN YOU THAN YOU THAN YOU DO THAN YOU DID HAVE TOLD IT HAVE TOLD IT HERE ON THE HERE ON THE HERE? HERE STAND ? A. I STAND? I A. I I TOLD THEM TOLD THEM TOLD THEM TOLD THEM EVERYTHING I EVERYTHING I EVERYTHING I EVERYTHING I COULD. COULD. COULD. COULD [space] Q. WHO ELSE WHO ELSE Q. WHO ELSE [[31]] WHO ELSE DID YOU TELL DID YOU TELL DID YOU TELL DID YOU TELL IT TO ? A. I IT TO? I IT TO? A. I IT TO I HAVE NO HAVE NO HAVE NO HAVE NO RECOLLECTION RECOLLECTION RECOLLECTION RECOLLECTION OF TELLING IT OF TELLING IT OF TELLING IT TELLING IT TO ANYONE TO ANY ONE TO ANYBODY TO ANYBODY ELSE. ELSE. ELSE. ELSE [space] Q. WHY HAVE WHY HAVE Q. WHY HAVN’T WHY HAVEN’T YOU NOT TOLD YOU NOT TOLD YOU? YOU IT BEFORE THIS IT BEFORE THIS TIME ? A. TIME? A. BECAUSE I BECAUSE I BECAUSE I BECAUSE I DID NOT FEEL DID NOT FEEL DON’T FEEL DON’T FEEL LIKE IT. Q. WHY LIKE IT. [376] WHY KILE IT. Q. WHY LIKE IT WHY DID YOU NOT DID YOU NOT DIDN’T YOU DIDN’T YOU FEEL LIKE IT, FEEL LIKE IT? FEEL KILE IT? FEEL LIKE IT? ~ YOU FELT AND YOU FELT AND YOU FELT AND YOU FELT KNEW THAT A KNEW THAT A KNEW THAT A THAT A GREAT CRIME GREAT CRIME GREAT CRIME GREAT CRIME HAD BEEN HAD BEEN HAD BEEN HAD BEEN COMMITTED, COMMITTED, COMMITTED? COMMITTED DID YOU NOT ? DID YOU NOT? [space] A. I FELT THAT I FELT THAT A A. I FELT THAT A I FELT A GREAT CRIME GREAT CRIME GREAT CRIME GREAT—
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HAD BEEN HAD BEEN HAD BEEN COMMITTED, COMMITTED. COMMITTED, BUT BRIGHAM BUT BRIGHAM BUT BRIGHAM BUT BRIGHAM YOUNG TOLD YOUNG TOLD YOUNG; TOLD YOUNG TOLD ME THAT AS ME THAT “AS ME AS ME AS SOON AS WE SOON AS WE SOON AS WE SOON AS WE CAN GET A CAN GET A CAN GET A CAN GET A COURT OF COURT OF COURT OF COURT OF JUSTICE WE JUSTICE, WE JUSTICE WE JUSTICE WILL WILL WILL WILL FERRET FERRET FERRTET THIS FERRET/FEEL/PU THIS THING THIS THING THI THIS THING LL[?] THIS THING OUT, BUT TILL OUT, BUT TILL OUT, BUT TILL OUT BUT TILL THEN DON’T THEN DON’T THEN DON’T THEN DON’T SAY ANYTHING SAY ANYTHING SAY ANYTHING SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT.” ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT [space] Q. THERE HAVE THERE HAVE Q. THERE HAVE THERE HAS BEEN COURTS BEEN COURTS BEEN COURTS BEEN COURTS OF JUSTICE IN OF JUSTICE IN OF JUSTICE IN OF JUSTICE IN THIS THIS THIS THIS TERRITORY TERRITORY TERRITORY? TERRITORY EVER SINCE EVER SINCE [space] THAT TIME ? A. THAT TIME? A. I HAVE NEVER I HAVE NEVER I HAVE NEVER I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE SEEN THE SEEN THE SEEN THE EFFECTS OF EFFECTS OF ECFFECTS OF IT EFFECTS OF IT YET. I HAVE IT YET. I HAVE YET; I HAVE IT YET I HAVE SEEN IT TRIED. SEEN IT TRIED. SEEN IT TRIED. SEEN IT TRIED Q. THEN THEN Q. THEN [space] THEN THIS IS THE THIS IS THE THIS IS THE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FIRST TIME FIRST TIME FIRST TIME YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE EVER FELT AT EVER FELT AT EVER FELT AT EVER FELT AT LIBERTY TO LIBERTY TO LIBERTY TO LIBERTY TO TELL IT ? A. IT TELL IT? IT TELL IT? A. IT TELL IT IT IS THE FIRST IS THE FIRST IS THE FIRST IS THE FIRST TIME I TIME I TIME THAT I TIME THAT I EVER EVER HAVE EVER HAVE EVER FELT THAT ANY FELT THAT ANY FELT THAT ANY THOUGHT ANY GOOD WOULD GOOD WOULD GOOD COULD GOOD WOULD COME OF COME OF COME OUT OF OCCUR OUT OF IT. I KEPT IT TO IT. I KEPT IT TO IT. I KEPT IT TO IT I KEPT IT TO MYSELF UNTIL MYSELF UNTIL MYSELF UNTIL MYSELF UNTIL IT WAS CALLED IT WAS CALLED IT WAS CALLED IT WAS CALLED
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FOR IN THE FOR IN THE FOR IN ITS FOR IN ITS PROPER PLACE. PROPER PLACE. PROPER PLACE. PROPER PLACE Q. YOU YOU Q. YOU [space] YOU FEEL NOW FEEL NOW FEEL NOW FEEL NOW THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE THAT THE PROPER TIME PROPER TIME PROPER TIME PROPER TIME HAS COME ? A. I HAS COME? HAS COME? A. HAS COME DO INDEED. Q. I DO INDEED. I DO, INDEED. Q. I DO INDEED I PRESUME YOU I PRESUME YOU YOU YOU HAVE TALKED HAVE TALKED HAVE TALKED HAVE TALKED IT OVER WITH IT OVER WITH IT OBVER WITH IT OVER WITH FRIENDS AND FRIENDS, AND FRIENDS, AND FRIENDS
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PART ? PART? PART? PART IF THIS AND THIS AND THAT693 PROPOSE/PURPO SE[?] BE FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU694 [space] ANSWER THE OTHER PART [[32]] FOR A. I I A. I ME [space] I THINK I HAVE THINK I HAVE, THINK I HAVE , THINK I HAVE ALL ALL EVERYTHING EVERYTHING OF THAT IS THAT IS OF ANY IMPORTANT. Q. IMPORTANT. IMPORTANCE. Q. IMPORTANCE HAVE HAVE HAVE [space] HAVE YOU TOLD IT YOU TOLD IT YOU TOLD IT YOU TOLD IT ALL ? A. NO SIR, ALL? NO, SIR, ALL? A. NO, SIR. ALL NO SIR I HAVE NOT. Q. I HAVE NOT. THEN TELL IT ? THEN TELL IT? Q. Q. TELL THE TELL THE A. I WILL NOT I WILL NOT BALANCE? BALANCE UNDERTAKE UNDERTAKE THAT NOW, I THAT NOW. I A. I I WOULD NOT WOULD NOT WOULD NOT WOULD NOT LIKE TO LIKE TO KILE TO LIKE TO UNDERTAKE IT. UNDERTAKE IT. UNDERTAKE IT. UNDERTAKE IT. RE - DIRECT BY RE-DIRECT— RE-DIRECT. [space] REDIRECT HOWARD. HOWARD: [space] Q. HOW LONG HOW LONG AQ. HOW LONG HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU KNOWN JOHN KNOWN JOHN KNOWN MR. KNOWN MR. D. LEE ? A. D. LEE? LEE? A. LEE BETWEEN BETWEEN BETWEEN BETWEEN THIRTY AND THIRTY AND 30 AND 30 OR FORTY YEARS. FORTY YEARS. 40 YEARS. 40 YEARS Q. HOW LONG IS HOW LONG Q. HOW LONG HOW LONG IT SINCE MR. IS IT SINCE MR. IS IT SINCE MR. IS IT SINCE MR. LEE CEASED TO LEE CASED TO LEE CEASED TO LEE CEASED TO BE SO ARDENT BE SO ARDENT BE SO ARDENT BE SO ARDENT IN HIS FELINGS IN HIS FEELINGS IN HIS FEELINGS IN HIS
693. “IF THIS AND THIS AND THAT” is circled. 694. “PROPOSE/PURPOSE[?] BE FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU” has a circle drawn around it.
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AND RELIGIOUS AND RELIGIOUS AND RELIGIOUS RELIGIOUS ZEAL THAT HE ZEAL THAT HE ZEAL THAT HE ZEAL THAT HE WAS WILLING WAS WILLING WAS WILLING WAS WILLING TO RUN THE TO RUN THE TO RUN THE TO RUN THE RISK HE DID RISK HE DID RISK HE DID RISK HE DID DOWN THERE DOWN THERE DOWN THERE DOWN THERE AT THE AT THE AT THE AT THE MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MEADOWS TO MEADOWS, TO MEADOWS, TO MEADOWS TO DEFEND HIS DEFEND HIS DEFEND HIS DEFEND HIS RELIGION ? A. RELIGION? RELIGION? A. RELIGION [space] WHAT I KNOW WHAT I KNEW WHAT I KNOW WHAT I KNEW OF HIM HE WAS OF HIM, HE WAS OF HIM HE SWAS OF HIM HE WAS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS PRETTY PRETTY PRETTY PRETTY ZEALOUS IN ZEALOUS IN ZEALOUS IN ZEALOUS IN WHAT IS WHAT IS WHAT IS WHAT IS CALLED CALLED CALLED CALLED MORMONISM— MORMONISM— MORMONISM. MORMONISM HE WAS AT HE WAS AT HE WAS AT HE WAS AT THAT TIME. Q. THAT TIME. THAT TIME. Q. THAT TIME HOW IS IT HOW IS IT HOW IDS HE [space] HOW IS IT NOW ? BISHOP: NOW? BISHOP— NOW? NOW WE OBJECT TO WE OBJECT TO OBJECTED TO.. OBJECTED TO THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION; IT IS NOT IT IS NOT EXPECTED EXPECTED THAT A MAN THAT A MAN SHOULD BE SHALL BE CALLED A CALLED A CRIMINAL FOR CRIMINAL FOR GIVING UP HIS GIVING UP HIS BELIEF IN SUCH BELIEF IN SUCH A CHURCH. IT IS A CHURCH. IT WHOLLY IS WHOLLY FOREIGN TO FOREIGN TO THE QUESTION THE QUESTION AT ISSUE. AT ISSUE. COURT SUSTAINED THE OBJECTION OBJECTION OBJECTION. SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED. [NOTE: TO [space] FULLY APPRECIATE
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THE EVIDENCE OF THIS WITNESS, HAMBLIN, READ WHAT LEE SAYS ABOUT THE ACTS OF HAMBLIN AND NEPHI JOHNSON, IN THE STEALING OF THE CATTLE FROM THE [141] DUKE’S TRAIN.] NEPHI NEPHI NEPHI NEPHI JOHNSON JOHNSON. JOHNSON JOHNSON RECALLED RE-CALLED RE-CALLED FOR RECALLED BY BY THE BY PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. HOWARD: I [377] HOWARD—I Q. I [space] WILL WILL WILL INTRODUCE INTRODUCE THE INTRODUCE THE INTRODUCE THE THE QUESTION I QUESTION I QUESTION I QUESTIONS I HAVE TO ASK HAVE TO ASK, HAVE TO ASKED HAVE TO ASK BY ASKING BY ASKING BY ASKING BY ASKING YOU IF YOU YOU IF YOU UYOU IF YOU YOU IF YOU KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ABOUT THIS ABOUT THIS ABOUT THIS SUBSEQUENT SUBSEQUENT SUBSEQUENT COMPANY — COMPANY— COMPANY — COMPANY THEY FOLLOWED THE THE THE THAT ONE THE DUKES DUKE’S DUKE JUKES/DUKES COMPANY A. COMPANY? COMPANY? A. [?]695 COMPANY YES SIR. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. [space] WHEN THEY CAME [space] YES SIR Q. WHAT DO WHAT DO Q. WHAT DO [space] WHAT DO YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT ? ABOUT THAT? ABOUT THAT? ABOUT THAT OBJECTED TO IN
695. Throughout the text, this shorthand is written “JUKES”; the obvious intent is Dukes.
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CROSS EXAMINATION I REFERRED/REPL Y[?] HAMBLIN ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS OTHER COMPANY AND IT CAME OUT IN THIS WAY THAT HE SAID HE WAS CARRYING EXPRESS AND WENT ON HOME AND/ON[?] THE SAME TRIP BROUGHT OUT WAS WAS GOING FOR ONE PURPOSE BROUGHT OUT FOR ANOTHER AND AT WILD CAT CANYON RECEIVE[?] A DISPATCH TO BE CARRIED TO THE INDIANS ON ACCOUNT ANOTHER [[33]]696 COMPANY I ASK WHAT IT WAS SO AS TO TEST HIS MEMORY. NOTHING ONLY/FULL[?] IN STRICT LEGAL CROSS EXAMINATION [space] HOWARD [space] I PROPOSE TO
696. There is a line in the left margin the entire length of the page.
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SHOW BY THIS WITNESS THAT THE DUKES/JUKES[?] COMPANY FOLLOWED THE OTHER ARRIVED HERE ONLY A LITTLE WAYS BELOW HERE PERHAPS 6 OR 8 MILES AND REMAINED UNTIL AFTER THE MASSACRE THAT THEN THE AUTHORITIES IN POWER HERE FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE JUKES COMPANY COMPELLED THIS MAN TO PILOT THEM OVER TO THE SANTA CLARA RIVER THAT HE DID PILOT THEM OVER IN SAFETY WITHOUT ANY CONDITION[?] TO/OF[?] THEM IS HEAR THAT HE MET JOHN D. LEE AT HARMONY AND THAT JOHN D. LEE THEN AND THERE PROPOSED TO HIM TO BRING THAT COMPANY INTO AMBUSH
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AND HELP GET THE INDIANS TO SLAUGHTER THEM. THAT THIS WITNESS REPLIED TO JOHN D. LEE YOU SPILLED BLOOD ENOUGH AT THE MEADOWS AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE SATISFIED AND THEN JOHN D. LEE SEIZED UPON HIM AND CALLED HIM A HWF[?] WHIFFER697 OR CRYBABY OBJ698 OBJECTED TO OBJECTED TO OBJECTED TO
697. This insertion is in Rogerson’s hand. 698. In the left margin.
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FIRST BECAUSE IT IS NOT RIGHT THAT EVIDENCE SHOULD BE INTRODUCED HERE TO BRING ANYTHING THAT TOOK PLACE AFTER THE MASSACRE SECONDLY BECAUSE IF THE AUTHORITIES OF CEDAR CITY OR OF BEAVER OR THE COMMUNITY/UNI TED[?] AUTHORITIES OF SOUTHERN UTAH WERE ABLE TO PROTECT THE JUKES COMPANY THEY SHOULD HAVE PROTECTED THE OTHER (~ OBJECTED TO FIRST ARGUMENT) BUT AUTHORITIES ARE NOT ON TRIAL AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE HE COMES IN THAT AN EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO WHITEWASH THE
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AUTHORITIES OF SOUTHERN UTAH ASIDE FROM THAT QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION WE’LL DROP WITHDRAWN. WITHDRAWN. WITHDRAWN. THAT QUESTION AND REFER AGAIN CONVERSATION THAT HE HAD WITH LEE I HAVE NO OBJECTION [[34]] COURT: FIRST PART OF IT IS NOT LEGAL TESTIMONY Q. WHAT WHAT [115] Q. WHAT [space] WHAT CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION DID YOU HAVE DID YOU HAVE FDID YOU HAVE DID YOU HAVE WITH MR. WITH MR. WITH KJOHN D. WITH MR. LEE AFTER THE LEE, AFTER THE LEE AFTER THE LEE
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RANCH. Q. RANCH. RANCH. Q. RANCH [space] WHERE WERE WHERE WERE WHERE WERE WHERE WAS YOU GOING ? A. YOU GOING? YOU GOING? YOU GOING GOING GOING A. GOING [space] GOING WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE COMPANY TO COMPANY TO COMPANY TO COMPANY TO SEE THEM SAFE SEE THEM SAFE SEE THEM SAFE SEE THEM SAFE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. COUNTRY. COUNTRY [space] Q. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU Q. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU GOT TO GOT TO GOT TO GOT TO HARMONY DID HARMONY, DID HARMONEY DID HARMONY DID YOU SEE JOHN YOU SEE JOHN D. YOU SEE JOHN D YOU SEE JOHN D. LEE? A. LEE? LEE? A. D. LEE [space] YESSIR. Q. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. Q. YES SIR [space] DID YOU HAVE DID YOU HAVE DID YOU HAVE
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WAS SENT TO WAS SENT TO WASS SENT TO WAS SENT TO [142] SEE THE SEE THE SEE THE SEE THE COMPANY COMPANY COMPANY COMPANY SAFELY SAFELY SAFE [space] SAFE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE COUNTRY AND COUNTRY, AND COUNTRY AND COUNTRY AND THAT I WOULD THAT I WOULD WOULD WOULD DO IT OR DIE. DO IT OR DIE. DO IT OR DIE; DO IT OR DIE THAT THERE THAT THERE THAT THERE THAT THERE HAD BEEN HAD BEEN HAD BEEN HAD BEEN ENOUGH ENOUGH BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD ENOUGH ENOUGH SPILLED AT SPILT AT SPILLED ATT SPILLED AT MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS. HE MEADOWS. HE MEADOWS. HE MEADOWS HE CALLED ME A CALLED ME A CALLED ME A CALLED ME GREAT MANY GREAT MANY GREAT MANY GREAT MANY NAMES AND NAMES, AND NAMES AND NAMES AND PASSED ON. PASSED ON. PASSED ON. PASSED ME CROSS - CROSS- CROSS- [space] CROSS- EXAMINED. EXAMINED— EXAMINATION. EXAMINATION Q. YOU YOU Q. YOU [space] YOU MADE UP YOUR MADE UP YOUR MADE UP YOUR MADE UP YOUR MIND THEN TO MIND, THEN, TO MIND THEN TO MIND THEN TO DIE FOR THE DIE FOR THE DIE FOR THE DIE FOR THE EMIGRANTS, EMIGRANTS. EMIGRANTS. EMIGRANTS DID YOU TRY DID YOU TRY DID YOU TRIE DID YOU TRY TO DIE FOR TO DIE FOR TO DIE FOR TO DIE FOR THEM AT THEM AT THEM ON THE THEM ON MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MEADOWS ? NO MEADOWS? NO MEADOWS? NO MEADOWS—NO ANSWER. ANSWER. ANSWER. ANSWER BISHOP: THAT IS BISHOP THAT IS ALL. ALL [space] [35] PROSECUTION PROSECUTION RESTS. RESTS. [space] RECESS UNTIL RECESS UNTIL TWO O’CLOCK. TWO O’CLOCK [space] JURY CALLED ALL PRESENT [space] NEPHI [116] NEPHI NEPHI JOHNSON JOHNSON JOHNSON SWORN
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RECALLED. RECALLED FOR RECALLED THE [space] PROSECUTION. HOWARD: BY HOWARD—BY HOWARD: BY HOWARD699 BY PERMISSION OF PERMISSION OF PERMISSION FOR PERMISSION OF COUNSEL FOR COUNSEL FOR COUNSEL FOR COUNSEL FOR DEFENSE I DEFENSE I THE DEFENSE I DEFENSE I WILL ASK ONE WILL ASK ONE WILL ASK ONE WILL ASK ONE QUESTION. QUESTION. QUEASTION. QUESTION. BY BISHOP: ASK AS BIHSOP—ASK AS PROSECUTION. MANY AS YOU MANY AS YOU DESIRE. DESIRE. HOWARD: Q. HOWARD— Q. HOW LONG HOW LONG HOW LONG HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE YOU KNOWN JOHN KNOWN JOHN KNOWN JOHN KNOWN JOHN D. LEE ? A. D. LEE? D. LEE? A. D. LEE SINCE I85I. Q. SINCE 1851. SINCE ‘51. A. SINCE ‘51 DO YOU DO YOU DO YOU DO YOU IDENTIFY IDENTIFY IDENTOIFY IDENTIFY THE PRISONER THE PRISONER THE PRISONER THE PRISONER AT THE BAR AS AT THE BAR AS AT THE BAR AS AT THE BAR AS THE JOHN D. THE JOHN D. THE JOHN D. THE JOHN D. LEE SPOKEN OF LEE SPOKEN OF LEE SPOKEN OF LEE SPOKEN OF BY THE BY THE BY THE BY THE WITNESSES WITNESSES WITNESSES WITNESSES AND IN YOUR AND IN YOUR AND BY IN YOUR AND YOUR OWN OWN OWN OWN TESTIMONY ? A. TESTIMONY? TESTIMONY? TESTIMONY YES SIR. YES, SIR. A. YES, SIR [space] YES SIR [space] DEFENSE CROSS - CROSS- CROSS- CROSS EXAMINED . EXAMINED— EXAMINATION. EXAMINATION Q. WHERE WHERE Q. WHERE [space] WHERE DID YOU LIVE DID YOU LIVE DID YOU LIVE DID YOU LIVE IN I85I ? A. AT IN 1851? IN ‘51? A. IN 51 PAROWAN, PAROWAN, PAROWAN, PAROWAN IRON COUNTY. IRON COUNTY. IRON COUNTY. IRON COUNTY Q. WHAT WHAT Q. WHAT [space] WHAT TIME DID YOU TIME DID YOU TIME DID YOU TIME DID YOU GO TO IRON GO TO IRON COME TO COME TO COUNTY, COUNTY,
699. In the left margin.
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PAROWAN ? A. PAROWAN? PAROWAN? A. I PAROWAN MOVED THERE MOVE THERE IN THE IN THE IN THE [space] IN THE SPRING OF ‘51. SPRING OF ‘51. SPRING OF 51. SPRING OF 51 Q. WHERE WHERE Q. WHERE [space] WHERE DID YOU COME DID YOU CAME DID YOU COME DID YOU COME FROM WHEN FROM WHEN FROM WHEN FROM WHEN YOU WENT YOU WENT YOU WENT YOU CAME THERE ? A. THERE? THERE? A. I THERE CAME FROM CAME FROM CAME FROM CAME FROM SALT LAKE SALT LAKE SALE CLAKE SALT LAKE VALLEY. Q. VALLEY. CITY VALLEY. Q. VALLEY [space] WHERE DID WHERE DID WHERE DID WHERE DID YOU COME YOU COME YOU COME YOU COME FROM TO SALT FROM TO SALT TFROM, TO FROM TO SALT LAKE A. FROM LAKE? FROM SALET LAKE? A. LAKE FROM ILLINOIS. Q. ILLINOIS. [378] FROM ILLINOIS.. ILLINOIS WHAT PART ? A. WHAT PART? Q. WHAT PART? WHAT PART KNOX KNOX A. KNOX KNOX COUNTY, COUNTY, COUNTY, COUNTY ILLINOIS. [143] Q. ILLINOIS. ILLINOIS. Q. ILLINOIS [space] WHEN DID YOU WHEN DID YOU WHEN DID YOU WHEN DID YOU LEAVE KNOX LEAVE KNOX LEAVE KNOWX LEAVE KNOX COUNTY, COUNTY, COUNTY COUNTY TO GO ILLINOIS FOR ILLINOIS, FOR FOR TO SALT LAKE ? SALT LAKE? SALET LAKE? SALT LAKE A. I THINK IT I THINK IT A. I THINK IT I THINK IT WAS IN I849. WAS IN 1849. WAS IN’49. Q. WAS ‘49 [space] IN 1849? A. YES, IN 1849 YES SIR. Q. THEN IN SIR THEN ‘49 YOU LEFT 49 YOU LEFT KNOX COUNTY, KNOX COUNTY ILLINOUIS AND ILLINOIS WENT TO WENT700 TO SALT LAKE AND SALT LAKE CITY REMAINRED REMAINED THERE TILL ‘51, THERE TILL 51 THEN WENT TO THEN WENT TO PAROWAN DID PAROWAN DID YOU? A. YES, SIR. YOU YES SIR Q. WHERE HAVE WHERE HAVE YOU LIVED YOU LIVED
700. “COUNTY ILLINOIS WENT” is in the left margin.
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Q. THEN YOU THEN YOU SINCE ‘57. HAVE SINCE 57 HAVE HAVE LIVED IN HAVE LIVED IN YOU LIVED IN YOU LIVED IN UTAH ALL THE UTAH ALL THE UTAH UTAH TIME SINCE ? TIME SINCE? SINCE? SINCE THAT A. YES SIR. YES, SIR. A. YES, SIR. [117] YES SIR Q. ALL THE ALL THE TIME? A. TIME YES, SIR. YES SIR. [space] [[36]] PROSECUTION PROSECUTION RESTS. RESTS [space] BISHOP: BISHOP [space] IF THE COURT IF THE COURT PLEASE IN THIS PLEASE IN THIS CASE, THE CASE THE PROSECUTION PROSECUTION HAVING CLOSED HAVING CLOSED MUCH SOONER MUCH SOONER THAN WE HAVE THAN WE HAVE ANTICIPATED; ANTICIPATED THE CASE THE CASE HAVING TAKEN HAVING TAKEN SUCH AN SUCH AN UNUSUAL TURN UNUSUAL TURN — THE PROSECUTION HAVING BASED HAVING BASED THEIR CASE THEIR CASE UONPON SUCH A UPON SUCH PECULLIAR A PECULIAR STATEMENTS OF STATEMENT OF FAVCTS, THAT FACTS THAT AFTER AFTER CONSULTATION CONSULTATION WE HAVE COME HAVE COME TO THE TO THE CONCLUSION TO CONCLUSION TO REST OUR REST OUR CASE UPON CASE UPON THAT MADE THAT MADE OUT BY THE OUT BY THE PROSECUTION; PROSECUTION AND SHALL AND SHALL INTRODUCE NO INTRODUCE NO
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TESTIMONY, TESTIMONY LEAVING THE LEAVING THE CASE TO BE CASE TO BE DECIDED BY DECIDED BY THE JURY UPON THE JURY UPON THE LAW AND THE LAW AND THE TESTIMONY THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY THAT BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN HAS BEEN INTRODUCED., INTRODUCED THE THE DEFENDANT DEFENDANT HERE INTRODUCED NO WITNESSES, BUT RESTED HIS RESTED HIS CASE ON THE CASE UPON THE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE THAT HAD THAT HAD BEEN BEEN INTRODUCED INTRODUCED BY BY THE THE PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. AND NOW, IF AND NOW IF YOUR HONOR YOUR HONOR PLEASE, PLEASE KNOWING THE KNOWING THE CONDITION OF CONDITION OF AFFAIRS, , AFFAIRS THAT KNOWING THAT PRESSLY PRESSLY[?] DENNY HAS DENNY HAS BEEN OCCUPIED BEEN OCCUPIED BEFORE THE BEFORE THE GRAND JURY GRAND JURY ALMOST SINCE ALMOST SINCE THE THE COMMENCEMEN COMMENCEMEN T OF THIS TERM T OF THIS TERM OF COURT, AND OF COURT AND IT IS EXPECTED IT IS EXPECTED HE WILL THAT HE WILL OPEN THE OPEN THE ARGUEMENT ARGUMENT
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FOR THE FOR THE PROSECUTION, PROSECUTION, AND IN ORDER IN ORDER TO BE FAIR, AND TO BE FAIR AND I BELIEVE TO I BELIEVE TO SAVE TIME, I SAVE TIME I ASK YOUR ASK YOUR HONOR THAT HONOR THAT THE CASE NOW THE CASE NOW BE CONTINUED BE CONTINUED UNTIL MONDAY UNTIL MONDAY MORNING AT MORNING AT[?] 10 O’CLOCK FOR 10 O’CLOCK FOR ARGUEMENT ARGUMENT AND AND FOR THE FOR THE FURTHER FURTHER PURPOSE OF PURPOSE OF GIVING THE GIVING THE ATTORNEYS ON ATTORNEYS ON THE OTHER SIDE OTHER SIDE TIME TO TIME FOR PREPARE PREPARING THEIR THEIR REQUESTS. REQUESTS HOWARD: [space] HOWARD WE JOIN IN WE JOIN IN THAT REQUEST. THAT REQUEST. COURT [space] COURT ADJOURNED ADJOURNED TILL MONDAY TILL MONDAY MORNING AT 10 MORNING 10 O’CLOCK. O’CLOCK. [space]
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