John D. Lee, Second Trial Jacob Hamblin and Nephi Johnson Testimonies © 2016 by Richard E. Turley Jr. All rights reserved. RT MU BT PS [360] CHAPTER XXIII. TRIAL OF LEE [Bk 1 111] CONTINUED. [Bk 1 85 cont.] JACOB JACOB JACOB [[Bk 3 1]]679 JACOB HAMBLIN , HAMBLIN HAMBLIN HAMBLIN SWORN FOR SWORN FOR THE SWORN FOR THE SWORN FOR THE PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION. PROSECUTION HOWARD: Q. HOWARD— Q. [space] WHERE DID YOU WHERE DID YOU WHERE DID YOU WHERE DID YOU LIVE IN LIVE IN LIVE IN LIVE IN AUGUST AND AUGUST AND AGUUGUST AND AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 1857 ? A MY 1857? MY 1857? A. MY 1857? MY HOME WAS HOME WAS HOME WAS HOME WAS SUPPOSE TO SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE BE AT BE AT BE AT THE CLARA, BUT I CLARA, BUT I CLARA, BUT I CLARA BUT I OCCUPIED AND OCCUPIED OCCUPIED OCCUPIED STAYED AT THE THE THE THE MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN <MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS MEADOWS> IN IN IN MEADOWS IN THE SUMMER THE SUMMER THE SUMMER THE SUMMER WITH MY WITH MY TIME WITH MY WITH MY STOCK. Q. WHAT STOCK. WHAT STOCK. Q. WHAT STOCK. WHAT COUNTY WAS COUNTY WAS COUNTY WAS COUNTY WAS MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN MEADOWS IN MEADOWS IN MEADOWS I N MEADOWS I N AT THAT TIME ? AT THAT TIME? AT THAT TIME? AT THAT TIME? A. IT WAS IT WAS A. IT WAS IT WAS CONSIDERED IN CONSIDERED IN CONSIDERED IN CONSIDERED IN IRON COUNTY, IRON COUNTY. IRON COUNTY. IRON COUNTY IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS BEFORE WASHINGTON WASHINGTON WASHINGTON WASHINGTON COUNTY WAS COUNTY WAS COUNTY WAS, COUNTY WAS ORGANIZED. ORGANIZED. ORGANIZED. ORGANIZED. Q. IT IS IN IT IS IN Q. IT IS [space] IT IS IN WASHINGTON WASHINGTON WASHINGTON WASHINGTON COUNTY NOW ? COUNTY NOW? COUNTY NOW? COUNTY NOW A. YES, I YES; I A. YES, I YES I 679. The cover of Trial 2, Notebook 3, is written in Rogerson’s hand: BOOK NO. 3-2ND LEE TRIAL PEOPLE VS. LEE PEOPLE AGAINST LEE 3. 3662 © 2016 by Richard E. Turley Jr. All rights reserved. RT MU BT PS BELIEVE IT IS. BELIEVE IT IS. BELIEVE IT IS. BELIEVE IT IS Q. DO YOU DO YOU Q. DO YOU [space] DO YOU REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE TIME OF THIS TIME OF THIS TINME OF THIS TIME OF THIS MASSACRE ? A. MASSACRE? MASSACRE? A. MASSACRE I WAS NOT AT I WAS NOT AT I WAS NOT AT I WAS NOT AT HOME, I LEFT HOME; I LEFT HOME, I LEFT HOME I LEFT BEFORE IT BEFORE IT BEFORE IT BEFORE IT HAPPENED, AND HAPPENED, AND HAPPENED, BUT HAPPENED AND I GOT BACK I GOT BACK I GOT BACK I GOT BACK SEVEN OR SEVEN OR SEVEN OR 7 OR EIGHT DAYS EIGHT DAYS EIGHT DAYS 8 DAYS AFTER. A. HOW AFTER. HOW AFTER. Q. HOW AFTER. HOW LONG LONG MANY DAYDS MANY DAYS BEFORE BEFORE WAS IT BEFORE WAS IT BEFORE IT HAPPENED IT HAPPENED IT HAPPENED— IT HAPPENED WAS IT THAT WAS IT THAT WAS IT THAT WAS IT THAT YOU LEFT YOU LEFT YOU LEFT YOU LEFT HOME ? A. I HOME? I HOME? A. I HOME? I DON’T KNOW, DON’T KNOW; DON’T KBNOW; DON’T KNOW I MET THE I MET THE I MET THE I MET THE COMPANY AT COMPANY AT COMPANY AT COMPANY AT CORN CREEK CORN CREEK, CORN CREEK CORN CREEK AND CAMPED AND CAMPED AND CAMPED CAMPED WITH THEM WITH THEM WITH THEM WITH THEM THERE. Q. YOU THERE. YOU THERE. Q. YOU THERE. YOU WERE GOING WERE GOING WAS GOING WAS GOING NORTH TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH TO NORTH TO THE CITY ? CITY? CEDAR? SALT CITY A. YES SIR. YES. LAKE A. YES, YES. [space] Q. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU Q. WHAEN YOU WHEN YOU RETURNED RETURNED RETURNED RETURNED HAD THE HAD THE HOME H AD THE HOME HAD THE MASSACRE MASSACRE MASSACRE MASSACRE TAKEN PLACE ? TAKEN PLACE? TAKEN PLACE? TAKEN PLACE A. YES SIR, IT YES, SIR; IT A. YES, SIR. Q. IT YES SIR IT WAS DONE WAS DONE WAS DONE WAS DONE BEFORE I BEFORE I BEFORE YOU BEFORE I CAME GOT GOT GOT THERE HOME. I HEARD HOME—I HEARD HOME. I HEARD HOME I HEARD OF IT BEFORE I OF IT BEFORE I OF IT BEFORE I OF IT BEFORE I GOT HOME. GOT HOME. GOT HOME. CAME HOME Q. WHEN WHEN Q. WHEN [space] WHEN YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME, YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME 3663 © 2016 by Richard E. Turley Jr. All rights reserved. RT MU BT PS WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU FIND THERE FIND THERE FIND TOHERE FIND THERE ON THE ON THE ON THE ON THE GROUND ? A. GROUND? GROUND? [86] A. GROUND? WELL, THERE WELL, THERE WELL, THERE WHERE, THERE WERE THE WERE THE WAS THE WAS BODIES OF THE BODIES OF THE BODIES OF THE BODIES OF THE COMPANY COMPANY COMPANY COMPANY LYING LYING LAYING LYING ABOUT ABOUT ABOTUT THERE. ABOUT THERE. Q. THERE. Q. THERE [space] WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY DEAD OR DEAD OR DEAD OR DEAD OR ALIVE ? A. I ALIVE? I ALIVE? A. I ALIVE I DIDN’T SEE ANY DIDN’T SEE ANY DIDN’T SEE ANY DIDN’T SEE ANY LIVE ONES LIVE ONES LIVE ONES LIVE ONES LYING THERE. LYING THERE. LAYING THERE LAYING THERE [112] Q. HOW HOW Q. HOW HOW MANY DEAD MANY DEAD MANY DEZAD MANY DEAD ONES DID YOU ONES DID YOU ONES DID YOU ONES DID YOU SEE ? A. I SEE? I SEE,SIR? A. I SEE SIR? I SUPPOSE OVER SUPPOSE OVER SUPPOSE OVER SUPPOSE OVER ONE HUNDRED. ONE HUNDRED. A HUNDRED. 100 [space] Q. DID YOU DID YOU Q. DID YOU DID YOU COUNT THE COUNT THE COUNTNTHE COUNT THE SKULLS THERE ? SKULLS THERE? SKULLS? SKULLS A. THE NEXT THE NEXT A. THE NEXT THE NEXT SPRING SPRING, SPRING WHEN SPRINGS WHEN SCIRCUMSTANC CIRCUMSTANCE I I ES ADMITTED I S ADMITTED TOOK TOOK TOOK ANOTHER ANOTHER <SPRING I TOOK MY MAN AND WE BURIED> MY MAN MY MAN MAN—MY MAN MAN MY MAN AND WE AND WE AND I—AND WE AND I BURIED OVER BURIED OVER BURRIED BURIED ONE HUNDRED ONE HUNDRED 120 AND OVER, 120 AND OVER AND TWENTY AND TWENTY SKULLS, SKULLS— SKULLS,— SKULLS ~ SKELETONS. I SKELETONS; I SKELETONS. I SKELETONS I DON’T DON’T DON’T DON’T REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY 3664 © 2016 by Richard E. Turley Jr. All rights reserved. RT MU BT PS SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE ONE LIKE ONE LIKE 120 OF LIKE 120 OF HUNDRED AND HUNDRED AND THEM. THEM. TWENTY, TWO TWENTY. TWO TWO TWO OF US OF US OF US OF US GATHERED UP GATHERED UP GATHERED UP GATHERED UP THE BONES. Q. THE BONES. THE BONES. Q. THE BONES. DID YOU COUNT DID YOU COUNT DID YOU COUNT DID YOU COUNT THE SKULLS ? THE SKULLS? THE SKULLS? THE SKULLS A. YES SIR, WE YES, SIR; WE A. YES, SIR,WE YES SIR WE COUNTED COUNTED COUNTED COUNTED THEM. THEM. [361] THEM. THEM [space] Q. CAN YOU CAN YOU Q. CAN YOU CAN’T YOU NOW NOW NOW NOW REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER HOW MANY HOW MANY HOW MANY HOW MANY THERE WERE ? THERE WERE? THERE WAS? THERE WAS A. I I A. I DON’T, I I DON’T I THINK IT WAS THINK IT WAS THINK IT WAS THINK IT WAS ONE HUNDRED ONE HUNDRED OVER 120 120 AND TWENTY AND TWENTY ODD, I AM ODD; I AM ODD. I AM ODD [[2]] I AM SATISFIED IT SATISFIED IT SATIXS FIED IT SATISFIED IT WAS OVER WAS OVER WAS OVER WAS OVER THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT BUT I DON’T BUT I DON’T BUT I DON’T BUT I DON’T JUST JUST KNOW JUST KNOW JUST REMEMBER THE REMEMBER THE THE THE NUMBER. Q. NUMBER. NUMBER. Q. NUMBER [space] AFTER THE AFTER THE AFTER YTHE AFTER THAT MASSACRE DID MASSACRE DID MASSACRE DID MASSACRE DID YOU HAVE ANY YOU HAVE ANY YOU HAVE ANY YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION CONVERSATION WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. WITH JOHN D. LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT LEE ABOUT IT ? A. I DON’T IT? I DON’T IT.? A. I DON.T IT I DON’T KNOW AS I DID KNOW AS I DID KNOW AS I DID KNOW AS I DID AFTER I GOT AFTER I GOT AFTER I GOT AFTER I GOT HOME. HOME. THERE HOME. HOME MUCH. Q. DID YOU SEE DID YOU SEE Q. DID YOU SEE DID YOU SEE HIM BEFORE HIM BEFORE HIM ABEFORE HIM BEFORE YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME YOU GOT HOME ON THAT TRIP ? ON THAT TRIP? ON THAT TRIP? ON THAT TRIP A. I DID, I MET I DID. I MET A. I MET I MET 3665 © 2016 by Richard E. Turley Jr. All rights reserved. RT MU BT PS HIM AT HIM AT HIM AT HIM AT FILLMORE. FILLMORE. FILLMORE. AQ. FILLMORE Q. WAS WAS WAS WAS THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THAT AFTER THE MASSACRE THE MASSACRE? THE MASSACRE? THE MASSACRE ? A. YES SIR, IT YES, SIR; IT A. YES, YES [space] WAS THIS SIDE WAS THIS SIDE THIS SIDE THIS SIDE OF FILLMORE. OF FILLMORE. OF FILLMORE.