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ZAMBIA COUNTRY READER TABLE of CONTENTS Robert C. Foulon 1963-1965 Consul/Principal Officer, Lusaka Larry C. Williamson 1963-196 ZAMBIA COUNTRY READER TABLE OF CONTENTS Robert C. Foulon 1963-1965 Consul/Principal Officer, Lusaka Larr C. Williamson 1963-1966 General Officer, Lusaka Stuart P. Lillico 1964 Chief, USIS, )itwei Herman ,. Cohen 1965-1966 Economic/Commericial Officer, Lusaka William .. Edmondson 1965-1969 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka Edward 1arks 1966-1969 Economic/Commercial Officer, Lusaka 2rthur T. Tienken 1969-1972 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka 2rthur W. Lewis 1972-1974 Public 2ffairs Officer, USIS, Lusaka ,ohn 0. Stempel 1972-1974 Political/Economic Officer, Lusaka Harve F. Nelson, ,r. 1972-1975 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka Constance ,. Freeman 1973-1975 Economics Lecturer, Universit of 8ambia, Lusaka ,ean 1ar Wilkowski 1973-1977 2mbassador, 8ambia .rooks Wrampelmeier 1974-1976 Political Officer/ 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka Peter P. Lord 1975-1976 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka Stephen Low 1976-1979 2mbassador, 8ambia Frank 0. Correl 1979 Program Officer, US2I0, Lusaka Tibor Peter Nag , ,r. 1979-1981 General Services Officer, Lusaka Frank G. Wisner 1979-1982 2mbassador, 8ambia Wesle Egan 1979-1982 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka ,ohn 2. .uche 1982-1984 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka Nicholas Platt 1982-1985 2mbassador, 8ambia Stevenson 1cIlvaine 1989-1991 8ambia-1alawi 0esk Officer, Washington, 0C ,oseph F. Stepanek 1994-1996 1ission 0irector, US2I0, Lusaka Stevenson 1cIlvaine 1995-1998 0eput Chief of 1ission, Lusaka ROBERT C. FOULON Consul/Principal O icer Lusaka (1963-1965) Robert Foulon entered the Foreign Service in 1947 after leaving University of Illinois Law School. He served in France, Germany, The Philippines, Zambia and Cameroon. He was interviewed by Arthur Tienken in 1988. ,- Bob, you first arrived in Lusaka when/ FOULON: In mid 1963 as a Consul and a Principal Officer. Q: I gather from what you said that you were in effect an independent post reporting directly to 0ashington. Is that correct/ FOULON: That's correct, except for administrative matters. 2fter that, I went to Harvard for a ear in Economic studies, and then back to the 2frican bureau in various jobs. Then at that time the affairs of the Federation of Rhodesia and N asaland were becoming ver politicall interesting and independence seemed to be in the offing, at least for several of the separate states of that Federation. I was asked b the then 0eput 2ssistant Secretar Wa ne Fredericks to go out and beef up and reall literall open up a post in Lusaka. This time I went out with the ver able assistance of Larr Williamson, since then 2mbassador in Gabon; and an administrative officer, secretar - communicator, and then eventuall another political officer and a consular officer who also did some other matters that I can't easil recall right now. So it eventuall built up to a post of about eight 2mericans excluding the USI2 staff which had been there previousl , and a ver large 2I0 staff as well which were located outside our particular suite of offices. 2fter independence the consulate of course became an embass and m title was then ChargA dB2ffaires, I was there until .ob Good came to relieve me as the first 2mbassador to 8ambia. Q: At that time before independence Bob, what was your connection if any with the American Consulate General in Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia/ FOULON: Well, we depended on Salisbur for administrative backup and our administrative reports went through Salisbur and that was about it. The political situation in the two now countries was so different. There was ver little b pla , we found it ver nice to go down to Southern Rhodesia for vacations and that was about it. Q: So you reported directly to 0ashington/ FOULON: Ces. Q: And who in 0ashington besides 0ayne was in effect was most interested in Northern Rhodesia at the time/ FOULON: Well of course the 2ssistant Secretar , Soap Williams was ver interested and the Office 0irector that I'll have to dredge up that name 2rt, I can't recall him off hand. I think the whole bureau was interested in Southern 2frican affairs at this point, this was sort of toward the end of the -- I guess the wave of independence was rolling south and people expected it to roll on further and further. In effect 8ambia became the last one for a long time in this wave that started in 1960. Well it reall started in 1957 with Ghana, I guess it was. Q: 0hat did you consider your ma2or mission to be while you were in charge of the Consulate General/ FOULON: Well one thing I remember in particular was that 0eput 2ssistant Secretar Fredericks had ver warm connections with 2frican leaders including )enneth )aunda and with man of the private organiEations that were active out there, the 2merican Friends and the copper companies and the man other private either non-profit or profit organiEations. He gave me as one of m charges to tr to help coordinate and support these people in their relations with the new 2frican government at the time, and to improve 2merican relations with the 2fricans at the official level. I remember that we got so bus doing all of that, that at one point we had an amusing incident where I wrote a letter to Wa ne sa ing I thought that ma be we had pushed things as far as we should, and it crossed a letter from him sa ing that he thought ma be we had pushed things too far. So we Fuieted down then. Q: .efore independence of course Northern Rhodesia was the primary concern of the British which meant I assume that your contacts were essentially with the British hierarchy, and I suppose to an e3tent the 'ambians who would become important after independence/ 0ould you comment on that/ FOULON: Ces, our relations with the .ritish were ver cordial and friendl . I called on the Governor and then the new High Commissioner came from the colonial office. He proved to be a ver friendl joll t pe, but underneath all of this cordialit there was a certain amount of rivalr going on, and I remember one of the things that we struck upon that the 8ambians seemed to want and that we could provide was some training for prospective diplomats for the new 8ambian Foreign Service that was expected to come into being. We cooked up a ver good program and the 8ambians wanted to bu it, but somebod in the .ritish High Commission thought that this should be the role for the United )ingdom. I gather from what I subseFuentl heard that there was a considerable tussle within the .ritish High Commission over how to handle this. Q: 4id we in fact ever do that/ FOULON: Ces we did, I think that we trained about half a doEen of them. Q: I wondered because I remember since I was in Elisabethville at the time in Katanga in Zaire, that there was assigned to the British High Commission at the branch office there, a Zambian taking training. FOULON: Ces, I think that the provided some too now that ou remind me. Q: .ob, in the days before independence there was a variety of different e3periences on the part of some of our posts with regard to contact of the Africans who were to become leaders after independence. 0hat did you feel that 0ashington wanted you to do with regard to contact with the Zambians themselves, and how did the British react/ FOULON: The 0epartment wanted us to establish as close relations as we possibl could with all the leaders and potential leaders among the 2fricans. We had ver little trouble doing that, there was no prevention on the part of the 2fricans themselves; no limitations on getting around the countr or meeting or calling on people. The .ritish made nothing of it as far as I can recall. The accepted it as normal and I can't recall even a cocked e e on it. Q: Good7 So you were able to get around the country very easily/ FOULON: Oh es, ver easil . We traveled ever where reall , I even took a little nip into 2ngola once. Q: ow did you find the Zambians then/ FOULON: The 8ambians varied Fuite a bit from region to region and tribe to tribe and so forth. Some were rather distant and reserved, others were far more open. and large the were ver friendl people and we had ver little trouble getting along with them. Q: 4id they seem susceptible to American contacts/ FOULON: The were ver susceptible at that time with one exception that I must tell ou about and that was the Peace Corps. We had made no effort to talk about the Peace Corps whatsoever, but man of the 8ambians - I can't remember who exactl but almost ever important 2frican leader told me that the weren't reall interested in the Peace Corps. This led me to write a dispatch just simpl reporting this -- that with preparations for independence people had better be aware of the fact that there appeared to be a lack of interest or a disinterest in the Peace Corps. 2fter I got back from the tour m friends in the Peace Corps told me that the then head of the Peace Corps Sargent Shriver took great umbrage at this dispatch, he thought I was tr ing to torpedo or sull the honor of the Peace Corps. The had to rise to m defense or otherwise I might have been removed from the post; that is what the told me, I'm not sure of the truth of the matter. Q: In fact however, the Peace Corps did not go to Zambia.
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