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lbird Seriee, VoL XXI-No. 30 Saturday, September ZI. 196 BhBdra 30, 188S (satl) LOK SABHA DEBATES (Fifth Session) (Vol. XXI,conlains Nos. 21-30) LOK S~BliA SECRETMI~T NliWp~m frice: Re. 1: CONTENTS COLUMNS Oral Answers to Questions- Short Notice Questions Nos. 14 to 18 7437-47 Statement re : Cease-fire on Assam-East Pakistan border Shri Jawaharlal Nehru Statement re: Gold Control and Compulsory Deposit Schemes Shri T.T. Krishnamachari 7458-66 Papers laid on the Table 7466-67 Committee on Petitions- Minutes 7467 Message from Rajya Sabha 7467-68 Re : Appointment of Ministers 7468 Re : Discussion on NEFA Enquiry Report 7488-73 Discussion onNEFA Enquiry and Motion re:" Our Defence Preparedness" '7474-7502 Shri P.K. Deo 7474-81 Shri K.C. Pant . 7481 - 87 Shri Heda . 7487~1 Shri Nath Pai .7491-7506 Shrimati Shard a Mukerjee 7506-13 Shri Raghunath Singh 75 13-24 Shri Lahri Singh 752 5-38 Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad 7538-48 Shri Hanumanthaiya 7549'-55 Shri Frank Anthony 7555-65 Shri Manabendra Shah 7565-70 Shri Sivamurthi Swamy 7570-78 Shri Kishen Pattnayak 7578- 84 Shri Y.B. Chavan .7584--"7600 Motion re : Committee on Public Undertakings Shri Kanungo 7603-{)7 Correction of answer to Starred Question No. 743 7607-{)8 Daily Digest 7609-10 Resume of the Fifth Session, 1963 76II-14 Consolidated Contents [September 10 to 21, 1963/Bhadra 19 to 30, 1885 (Saka)] (i-vi) L0K SABHA DEBATES 7437 7438 LOK SABRA case which pertains to a Consul Gene ral and an Ambassador. In the other Saturday, September 21, 1963iBhadra cases action was taken, those con 30, 1885 (Sakal cerned being either dismissed or removed or issued warning, suspend \The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the ed etc. But in this case not even a Clock warning was issued for misconduct. The Committee observes in its recom [MR.' SPEAKER in the Chair 1 mendation that it is concerned at the disregard of financial rules by officers ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS in high position. Therefore, may I SHORT NOTICE QUESTIONS know the reasons why these cases were treated on a different footing Indian Missions Abroad from the others? Not even a warning was issued to the Consul General and S.N.Q. 14 Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: the Ambassador. Will the Prime Minister be pleased to refer to the half-an-hour discussion Shri Dinesb Singh: I would submit (In Indian Missions abroad held on the that this is not a case of misconduct. 13th September, 1963 and state: These people had drawn some ad vances for the transfer of their goods (a) the number of officers and mem from one place to another. During bers of the staff of Indian Missions this transfer, they had felt that they abroad in respect of whom the Pub were entitled to certain allowances lic Accounts Committee has made for which orders had not gone. They .,harges of financial irregularities and were awaiting orders to adjust this in etber malpractices since January I, their bills. When this matter was 1957; and brought to their notice as mentioned (b) the nature of action taken in in the statement, they adjusted the .each case, together with the details amount and refunded it. (If the charge made by the Committee Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Have .in that case? there been any instances during the The Deputy Minister In the Minis period under reference when un -try of External Mairs (Shri Dlnesb animous recommendations of the Pub lic Accounts Committee for further 'Singh): (a) action or inquiry were brushed aside Officers 14. or shelved in a manner similar to that Staff 11. in which an earlier unanimous recom (b) Suitable action bas been taken mendation made twice or thrice by .in most of the cases as mentioned in the Public Accounts Committee was the statement laid on the Table of the contemptuously disregarded in respect House. [Placed in the Library, See of the notorious jeep scandal or trans- No. LT-1796/63l. ,action in which ....... Shri Dari VIShnU Kamath: I do not Mr. Speaker: Order, order. That want to refer to all the cases refer has nothing to do with this. What 'red to in the three-page £tatement has happened here is the point at laid on the Table, but there is one issue . .1286 (Ai) LSD-I 7439 OraL Answers SEPTEMBER 21, 1963 OraL Answers 7440 Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: All right. course of just three months--may I I referred to it as it is a well-known know whether the Prime Minister ill case. in a position to assure us that the handling of financial accounts in our Mr. Speaker: May be. But it can mi!sions abroad has been made fool not be decided here. proof and attempts made to cleanse our diplomatic stables of the dirt and Shri Hari Vishnu Kamli.th: I said dross that have accumulated over the 'in a manner similar to'. years? Shri Dinesh Singh: It is very diffi- cult to meet these insinuations and Mr. Speaker: How to remove all say anything. that has accumulated in the question? Mr. Speaker: The only question is Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I can only whether the unanimous recommenda give an assurance that we shall do tion of the Public Accounts Committee our utmost. What more can I say? in these cases were brushed aside. SUi Hem Barna: But have you SUi Dinesh Singh: Not to my done your utmost by now? That ill knowledge. what I wanted to know, because the Audit Report has pointed out these Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Further things. inquiry? Not at all? Mr. Speaker: Not at all. Mr. Speaker: Does he expect that anyone would say that he has done SUi Dinesh Singh: In the cases I his utmost? have mentioned, we have taken action. SUi Tyagi: Since the Public Ac counts Committee and its recommen Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: Is the dations have been mentioned, I might list exhaustive? Have there been any make it clear that whenever an,. instances where the Committee's Ministry does not act on the recom recommendations have been dis mendations made by the Public Ac regarded and no action taken thereon? counts Committee, the Ministry comes The Prime Minister, Minister of Ex next year for examination, and it has ternal Affairs and Minister of Atomic to submit to the Public Accounts Energy (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru): If Committee an Action Taken Report the 'hon. Member points out any case, on each recommendation. I may we will look into it. It is a long list. assure the House that the Public Ac- counts Committee 'has taken a resolve Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: I shall that it is going to be absolutely do so next session. judicial without any party considera tions, and therefore, if there is any Mr. Speaker: Shri Hem Barua. lapse on the part of any Ministry the Public Accounts Committee will take Shri Tyagi: Since the Public Ac care of it. counts Committee has been mention- ed ....... Shri Hem Barna: They have failed to do it. I have read the whole report. Mr. Speaker: He cannot rise in this manner. Shri Daji: The Prime Minister has stated that he will do his best. May Shri Hem Barna: In view of the we know what exact steps have been fact that the audit report 'has pointed taken or are proposed to be taken to out gross irregularities of financial see that such defalcations and mis accounts in our missions abroad-in takes in accounts do not occur in' one case there was a misappropriation other Embassies, what instructioM of a sum of Rs. 1'54 lakhs in the have been issued! 744 I Oral Answers BHADRA 30, 1885 (SAKAl Oral Answcrs 7442 Shri Dlnesh SIn~h: All these things ~ l1IffiiIT~ <f;f ~~ ~ ~ ~, are mentioned in detail in the state '!it m ment laid on the Table of the House. m 'IllT fmn +ioft ~ 'len '!it '!"IT ~,~if; OI'fqit ~ ~m 'Rf.t <f;f lflFof rn ? lIftlfQl lifo ~ 0 lfo t!(. "" ~ ~ : 'IllT $lf : I co rot allow that. fm'TI +i~ ~ iiffif.t ;tr FiT ~ f'!; : fum +ioft m~ 'iRT it ~ ~ ? ('Ii") 'IllT ~ ~ ~ f'!; ~ lliT tmtn<=l f~ : ~ ~ ~ 'I>"t f"!fl!f if; ~ if; om:ur fG~ it m'f>n: ~ <ifufi '1fT ~ if; if; W<'rT it ~~ om: ~ 'I>"t ~ro ~~GT ~'frif~~ ~ om: ~l1r-qR- f~"f if; f;;rif ~r ~ if; ~,!ffi"{ ~ ~ <niT ~if;~q~itm.:ffii'I if@~r~ ? fG;fi if; fuif ~ if; 'l>gm <rrt w:~$I:f~~~ it ; m.: W: ~ ? (19) ll"fG lli, a't ~ om: ~ Shri S. M. Banerjee: I would like ~ fG;fi if; fuif ~ '1fT ~ to know whether it is a fact that in some of the States the holidays fall ~ ~ ~~ m~ fqmfl!f>lT '!it in September and in some of the ::;rT~~fT, ~~ States it will be in Octcber, whereas if; f;;rif 'IllT ~ 'I>"t ::;rr 'it an over-all decision has been taken that Dussehra falls in the month of ~ ? October. I ,,'ould like to know whether such a uniform decision has been taken The Minister in (".barge, Ministry of by Government to have these holidays Education (Shri Hamayun Kabir): (a) either in September or October. No, Sir. Shri Hamayun Kabir: I have al- (b 1 Does not arise. ready stated that this question re fers to Delhi State and there are no ~ ~ ~~ : ~. ~Rill ~ such things as Dussehra holidays for f'!; ~ +im ;;it ~ ;om ~'1T I the school. They have autumnal holidays. ~ 'IllT ~ ~ ~ 'I>"t '15'lT Gold in the Country rn f'!; ~ f~ 'IllT ~? 1- Shri Hamayun Kabir: The positioD is that there is no such thing as S.N Q 16 Sbri Bhagwat Jha Azad: r Shri Raghunath Singh: Dussehra holidays for the schools.