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LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 1441 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 27 November 2002 The Council met at half-past Two o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE MRS RITA FAN HSU LAI-TAI, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH TING WOO-SHOU, J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE DAVID CHU YU-LIN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN IR DR THE HONOURABLE RAYMOND HO CHUNG-TAI, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LEE CHU-MING, S.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ERIC LI KA-CHEUNG, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE DAVID LI KWOK-PO, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FRED LI WAH-MING, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LUI MING-WAH, J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARGARET NG 1442 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 THE HONOURABLE MRS SELINA CHOW LIANG SHUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG MAN-KWONG THE HONOURABLE HUI CHEUNG-CHING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KWOK-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE BERNARD CHAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS SOPHIE LEUNG LAU YAU-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WONG WANG-FAT, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PHILIP WONG YU-HONG THE HONOURABLE WONG YUNG-KAN THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE HOWARD YOUNG, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE YEUNG SUM THE HONOURABLE YEUNG YIU-CHUNG, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE LAU CHIN-SHEK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KONG-WAH LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 1443 THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MIRIAM LAU KIN-YEE, J.P. THE HONOURABLE AMBROSE LAU HON-CHUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHOY SO-YUK THE HONOURABLE ANDREW CHENG KAR-FOO THE HONOURABLE SZETO WAH DR THE HONOURABLE LAW CHI-KWONG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE TANG SIU-TONG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LI FUNG-YING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HENRY WU KING-CHEONG, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL MAK KWOK-FUNG THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP THE HONOURABLE LEUNG FU-WAH, M.H., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LO WING-LOK THE HONOURABLE WONG SING-CHI THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE 1444 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU PING-CHEUNG THE HONOURABLE AUDREY EU YUET-MEE, S.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, J.P. MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE TIMOTHY FOK TSUN-TING, S.B.S., J.P. PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL SUEN MING-YEUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION, AND SECRETARY FOR HOUSING, PLANNING AND LANDS THE HONOURABLE STEPHEN IP SHU-KWAN, G.B.S., J.P. THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY, AND SECRETARY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND LABOUR THE HONOURABLE ELSIE LEUNG OI-SIE, G.B.M., J.P. THE SECRETARY FOR JUSTICE THE HONOURABLE HENRY TANG YING-YEN, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE, INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY PROF THE HONOURABLE ARTHUR LI KWOK-CHEUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION AND MANPOWER DR THE HONOURABLE YEOH ENG-KIONG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR HEALTH, WELFARE AND FOOD LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 1445 THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY DR THE HONOURABLE SARAH LIAO SAU-TUNG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, TRANSPORT AND WORKS CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR LAW KAM-SANG, J.P., DEPUTY SECRETARY GENERAL MRS JUSTINA LAM CHENG BO-LING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR RAY CHAN YUM-MOU, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 1446 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 TABLING OF PAPERS The following papers were laid on the table pursuant to Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: Subsidiary Legislation/Instruments L.N. No. Immigration (Amendment) Ordinance 2002 (31 of 2002) (Commencement) Notice 2002 ....................... 172/2002 Mandatory Provident Fund Schemes (Amendment) (No. 2) Ordinance 2002 (29 of 2002) (Commencement) Notice 2002....................................................... 173/2002 Massage Establishments (Amendment) Ordinance 2001 (28 of 2001) (Commencement) Notice 2002 ....... 174/2002 Places of Public Entertainment Ordinance (Amendment of Schedule 1) Regulation 2002 (L.N. 120 of 2002) (Commencement) Notice 2002 ....................... 175/2002 Other Papers No. 26 ─ Hong Kong Science and Technology Parks Corporation Annual Report 2001/2002 No. 27 ─ Hong Kong Productivity Council Annual Report 2001/2002 No. 28 ─ Police Welfare Fund Annual Report 2001/2002 No. 29 ─ Estate Agents Authority Annual Report 2001/2002 No. 30 ─ Secretary for Home Affairs Incorporated Audited Statement of Accounts for the year ended 31 March 2002 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 1447 No. 31 ─ Report of the Brewin Trust Fund Committee on the Administration of the Fund for the year ended 30 June 2002 No. 32 ─ Occupational Deafness Compensation Board Annual Report 2001-2002 No. 33 ─ Annual Report of the Protection of Wages on Insolvency Fund Board 2001-2002 No. 34 ─ Pneumoconiosis Compensation Fund Board Annual Report 2001 ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Questions. First question. Amendment to Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance 1. MR YEUNG YIU-CHUNG (in Cantonese): Madam President, will the Government inform this Council: (a) of the number of complaints lodged about contravention of the Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance (Cap. 390) (the Ordinance) in each of the past three years; among these cases, the number of prosecutions instituted and their outcome; and (b) whether it will amend the Ordinance to increase the penalty for contravention in order to deter the mass media from selling obscene and indecent articles; if it will, of the details; if not, the reasons for that? SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE, INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY (in Cantonese): Madam President, (a) The complaints received by the Television and Entertainment Licensing Authority (TELA) about contravention of the Ordinance in the past three years was 495 in 2000, 470 in 2001 and 309 in 2002 1448 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 (from January to October). The number of prosecutions instituted by the TELA (including cases arising from public complaints and routine surveillance of the TELA) was 229 in 2000, 366 in 2001 and 463 in 2002 (from January to October), and 163 cases were convicted in 2000, 388 convicted in 2001 and 406 convicted in 2002 (from January to October), with penalties meted out ranging from a fine of $500 to $100,000 and imprisonment ranging from seven days to 12 months. (b) In deciding whether the penalty for contravention should be increased to deter the publication of obscene and indecent articles, we will strive to strike a proper balance between protecting public morals and our young people on the one hand and preserving the free flow of information and safeguarding the freedom of expression on the other hand. In fact, we consulted the public sometime earlier on a review of the Ordinance, including a proposal to increase the penalties under the Ordinance so as to enhance the deterrent effect. Over 3 700 submissions were received in the consultation. The views received on the review were diverse. We are now examining the proposals carefully. We will fully consider the views presented by all parties before coming to a prudent decision. MR YEUNG YIU-CHUNG (in Cantonese): Madam President, will the Secretary tell us the time required for each of the following procedures, concerning the receipt of complaints, adjudication, review, hearing and the ultimate enforcement of the decision? And have studies been conducted on streamlining the procedures and shortening the lead time? SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE, INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY (in Cantonese): Madam President, according to the existing procedures, upon receipt of a complaint, the Obscene Articles Tribunal (OAT) will adjudicate the case as soon as possible. An interim classification will usually be made after adjudication, and the parties concerned may apply for a review within five days of the interim classification made. The OAT will make the final decision as soon as the review is completed and institution of prosecution will only be considered at this stage. As for the time required, it depends entirely on the complexity of individual cases. If the case is straight forward, it will be LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 27 November 2002 1449 completed very soon. However, if it is a complicated one or if it involves several appeal procedures, the time required will be longer. However, I do not have the figures on the time required for each of the procedures on hand. I am willing to provide such information in writing to Members if they wish. (Appendix I) MR TAM YIU-CHUNG (in Cantonese): Madam President, in part (a) of the Secretary's main reply, a comparison between the number of prosecutions instituted by the TELA and the number of convicted cases during the past three years is stated. I notice that the ratio of convicted cases has been on the rise. However, in 2001, the number of convicted cases was more than the number of prosecutions instituted. Why? For example, in 2001, the number of prosecutions instituted was 366, but the number of convictions was 388. Why is there a discrepancy of over 20 cases? Is it just a typographical error or are there other reasons? SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE, INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY (in Cantonese): Madam President, the discrepancy may be attributed to the fact that the prosecution procedures may last more than a year.