Northern Ireland Assembly Code of Conduct
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NORTHERN IRELAND inappropriate for such a statement not to be made to the House before the summer recess or even at a recall ASSEMBLY of the Assembly during recess and that Members should not have to wait until September for the statement? Monday 29 June 2009 Mr Speaker: It is the intention of the appropriate Minister, if there is agreement at the Executive meeting on Thursday, to furnish Members with a written statement and to return to the House in September with The Assembly met at 12.00 noon (Mr Speaker in the an oral statement. That means that Members will have Chair). two opportunities to examine the issue. Perhaps that is Members observed two minutes’ silence. the best way forward. However, let me make it absolutely clear that the Minister has no intention of bypassing the Assembly on this very important issue. I have no doubt that when the Executive make their ASSEMBLY BUSINESS decision on Thursday, proper procedures will be followed by the Minister, and by the Executive. Mr McNarry: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Mr O’Loan: Further to that point of order, Mr Mr O’Loan: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Speaker. Before I make my own point of order, I want to express my own strong support for what Mr McNarry Mr Speaker: I will take a point of order from Mr has said. It would be outrageous if no statement was McNarry, and, following that, I will take a point of made to the Assembly on the June monitoring round order from Mr O’Loan. before the summer recess. It would also be outrageous Mr McNarry: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. if such a statement was postponed until September. When can the House expect the Minister of Finance Mr Speaker: Order. I ask the Member to take his seat. and Personnel to make a statement on the June monitoring round? Let us be absolutely clear: the Minister cannot make a statement until the June monitoring round has been Mr Speaker: I thank the Member for his point of agreed by the Executive, and there was no agreement order. I have received no notification on the issue, but I at the most recent Executive meeting. That is why spoke to the Minister this morning. As Members know, there is no statement from the Minister to the House statements from the Finance Minister have to be this morning or tomorrow. The statement must first be agreed by the Executive, because they are made on agreed by the Executive, so that the Minister can behalf of the Executive. I understand that such a deliver the statement on behalf of the Executive. Such statement has not yet been agreed. The Executive will a statement is not delivered on behalf of the Finance meet on Thursday, and it is possible that agreement Minister, but on behalf of the Executive. Let us have will be reached on the statement at that meeting. clarity on that issue and stop playing politics with it. Having met the Minister this morning, I understand Mr O’Loan: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I that he has no intention of not giving the Assembly its want to make two points of order in relation to the place on such an important issue. I have no doubt that debate in the House on 23 June on the report of the after Thursday’s Executive meeting, we will hear a Committee on Standards and Privileges on the statement on the June monitoring round from the Northern Ireland Assembly code of conduct. The first Minister. relates to the accuracy of comments, and the second Mr McNarry: Further to that point of order, I am relates to the use of unparliamentary language. grateful to you for your explanation and for what the In relation to the point of accuracy, page 31 of the Finance Minister has relayed to you. Should the ‘Northern Ireland Assembly Companion’ states: Assembly, therefore, expect to be called for a plenary “A good precedent has been established by other Members that, session to hear the Minister’s statement before recess when a Member discovers that something that was said was or to be recalled during recess? incorrect, it was withdrawn on the Floor of the House. That is a Mr Speaker: It will be for the Finance Minister and good and proper way to behave.” the Executive to work out the procedures after the It is clear that the issue of accuracy is pertinent to the Executive make their decision, but that issue has not order of the House been contemplated. In that debate, Mr Ian Paisley Jnr made certain Mr McNarry: Further to that point of order, do you comments. He referred to complaints that had been agree, if it is your place to do so, that it would be made in relation to him and said: 233 Monday 29 June 2009 Assembly Business “Most of those complaints were repetitive and they all collapsed”. in advance of an oral statement being made in the — [Official Report, Bound Volume 42, p191, col 1]. House in September. We are all up against the fact that However, in relation to complaints that were made by summer recess is soon to begin. However, I should me against Mr Paisley Jnr, two were upheld by the have thought that that is the best way to handle the interim Commissioner for Complaints, and one was matter. The written statement will clearly indicate that substantiated by the Committee. A further complaint an oral statement will be made in the House in led to the Committee on Standards and Privileges September. reporting that it was: I will keep repeating what I said earlier. I know “essential for the integrity of the Assembly that the rules from speaking to the Finance Minister this morning governing the use of Office Cost Allowance are reviewed urgently”. that he is quite anxious to make a statement to the The Committee wrote in those terms to the Assembly House on the June monitoring round on behalf of the Commission. Therefore, to say that the complaints had Executive. However, because we are up against the “collapsed” was both inaccurate and seriously summer recess and because the Executive did not misleading to the Assembly. That is an important agree the matter last Thursday, the best procedure is to matter that requires the attention of the Speaker. issue a written statement that clearly indicates that an oral statement will be made in September. With respect to the use of unparliamentary language, in the same debate, Mr Paisley Jnr, clearly Dr Farry: Further to that point of order, Mr referring to me, as he had named me earlier in the Speaker. I certainly appreciate the Speaker’s guidance debate, said: and recognise the practicalities of the situation that we are in. However, I would like clarification that any “We have had people’s reputations dragged through the mud for one reason only: to make the cheapest, lowest, dirtiest, meanest, nastiest written statement that is issued will not be a written complaints possible against Members and their character”. — statement as per Standing Order 18; it will be a written [Official Report, Bound Volume 42, p191, col 1]. statement from a Minister, not a written statement to Furthermore, he later used the words: the House. “the lowest, nastiest, cheapest activity”. — [Official Report, Mr Speaker: That is correct. It will be advance Bound Volume 42, p191, col 1]. notice to the House of an oral statement in September. I made complaints that I believed to be entirely in It is for the Executive to decide what else that written the public interest, and that is what motivated me. I do statement might say, but that is what I would expect not think that my motives should be impugned, and from it. [Interruption.] certainly not in language that I believe is unparliamentary. Order. Members should not shout from a sedentary I ask you to rule on both of those matters. position. I am absolutely clear on the issue and on the Mr Speaker: I thank the Member for his point of conventions and procedures. order. The Member visited me this morning to discuss The Minister of Finance and Personnel (Mr a number of issues, and that was one of the issues Dodds): Further to that point of order, Mr Speaker. Let raised. I ask him to allow me to examine the Hansard me say, for the sake of clarification, that I would have report of that debate, and I will return either to him been absolutely delighted to make a statement on the directly or to the entire House. June monitoring round in the Chamber this morning. It Dr Farry: On a point of order, Mr Speaker. was not that the matter was not agreed; rather, it was Returning to the issue of the June monitoring round, deferred at the request of two Executive Ministers who can you rule whether, in the letter and spirit of wanted more time. Let us be in no doubt as to why no Standing Order 18(2), it is in order for the outcome of statement has been made in the Chamber today. It was that monitoring round to be released through a written not members of my party who made that request. Can I statement? It is quite evident that the June monitoring also say — [Interruption.] round is a “matter of public importance,” and the Mr Speaker: Order. Minister is required to be mindful of that when taking The Minister of Finance and Personnel: I am any decision to release information through a written making a point of order.