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AAHP 361 Joe Eddie Scott African American History Project (AAHP) Interviewed by Ryan Morini on November 18, 2014 1 Hour, 58 Minutes | 64 Pages Joel Buchanan Archive of African American History: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/ohfb Samuel Proctor Oral History Program College of Liberal Arts and Sciences Program Director: Dr. Paul Ortiz 241 Pugh Hall PO Box 115215 Gainesville, FL 32611 (352) 392-7168 https://oral.history.ufl.edu AAHP 361 Joe Eddie Scott African American History Project (AAHP) Interviewed by Ryan Morini on November 18, 2014 1 hour, 58 minutes | 64 pages Abstract: In this interview, Joe Eddie Scott talks about his life pre-integration in different parts of Florida. Scott talks about the education system before integration and how black schools didn’t have all the necessary resources. He also talks about the difference in wealth between black and whites and the economic system that existed back then. Later in the interview, Scott talks about different racist incidents that occurred around Otter Creek, Ellzey, and Rosewood, Florida. This leads to Scott creating a chapter of the NAACP and becoming the president of the Levy County NAACP. Scott goes into detail to importance of voting and how that stemmed from his mother’s constant participation in elections. Scott gives an account of his family history and can trace his family back to several generations. In conclusion to this interview Scott talks about the representation of black people in government positions. Key words: [ Integration; Education System, Florida; Otter Creek, Florida; Ellzey, Florida; Rosewood Massacre; NAACP; African American History] For information on terms of use of this interview, please see the SPOHP Creative Commons license at http://ufdc.ufl.edu/AfricanAmericanOralHistory. AAHP 361 Interviewee: Joe Eddie Scott Interviewer: Ryan Morini Date: November 18, 2014 M: This is Ryan Morini from the Sam Proctor Oral History Program. I’m sitting here with Mr. Joe Eddie Scott. It’s November 18, 2014, and we’re sitting, I guess, in the living room of his house in Chiefland, Florida. Thanks for sitting down with me today. So, if we could start—your full name is Joe Eddie Scott, correct? S: Right. Oh yeah. M: And when were you born? S: 5th month, 19th day, 1940. In Ellzey, Florida. M: In Ellzey, Florida. S: E-L-L-Z-E-Y. M: And so that is… that’s near Otter Creek, you were saying. S: Oh yeah. Right down from Otter Creek. When you get to Otter Creek, you turn right. From here you turn right. But if you come from Gainesville, you just keep going straight. And then you’ll get to Otter Creek, and then Ellzey, and then there’s a place called Wylly, and then Rosewood. And then Sumner. And then Cedar Key. M: A lot of places kind of— S: Oh yeah, they always had them little places. Little, in between Gainesville and Bronson or Otter Creek is a lot of little places. Two Meteras, and Lebanon, and all had a little stop. Turpentine hollows here, now. People lived in them places. Lot of people got killed on the road. Where the railroad sign the wrong way. When that, during the Rosewood thing, you know. One guy, name—they call him “God-Knows.” And they shot him during this time. Several other people, they AAHP 361; Scott; Page 2 don’t have no name, oral history, but if they saw you on the road, a Black person, you were shot. Was a lot of people that was coming to Rosewood, but not really from Rosewood, but they was coming from South Carolina, Texas, all around down there. See, at that time, you could do all that junk, you know, and get away with it. Now, nobody can do it so [inaudible: 2:11] now, but they done it. Well anyway, Momma and them was in Ellzey, and they had to be—they working for the West brothers. And the road, people was coming to Ellzey, out of town, didn’t know Ellzey from Rosewood. So, Momma and them had to be guarded. You see, the boss man guarded them because he needed them to work. So that’s why he’d protect them, see. And the commissary was the place where they kept the food for the hands, and for horses and things. You know, they had hay in there, and feed, and all that in there. So Momma and them had to stay in there. See, to keep the people from killing them, because they could see our houses from where they was. There was two quarters, but one you couldn’t see. Where we lived at, you could see. And one other thing about Ellzey, at one time it had the smallest post office in the whole United States. That’s in the history. If that’s any good in the history book. But it was right there in Ellzey. So… [Laughter] But, then, this thing went on for about a week, you know. And I had a sister, a little sister got smothered out there. She was a baby. And Momma didn’t never, she didn’t have no name. Momma hadn’t named her. But she got smothered out there, because they was all, there was so many of them in that area. It was hot, you know? And they wouldn’t let them out. And all them was laying in there, trying to survive, and this baby being like that… you know? And AAHP 361; Scott; Page 3 I’ll go onto the history, the record. And she was buried in Otter Creek. They had a graveyard down in Otter Creek. I think they dug that graveyard up, which was against the law. But I was, I was too young to do anything about it when this happened. I didn’t know that wasn’t right. But my mother’s brothers, grandmothers—a lot of other people is buried there in Otter Creek. And, so, I plan on checking on that, but I don’t know who to talk to about it. M: Who dug that up? S: The timber company. M: Oh. Okay. S: So they was cutting the trees, because a lot of trees had growed up out there, so—of course, they had tombstones out there, but that didn’t make no difference to them. They was in the money business, and they done planted more trees out there since then, and done cut them, since that time. Because that been many, many years ago. Like I said, I was too young. Now I’m 74 years old. That happened way, way, way back. M: Do you have any idea around the time period that it would have happened? [19]50s, [19]60s? S: In about the [19]50s. In the [19]50s. Late [19]50s. But it happened. I was intending to talk to—there’s a historian in Levy County somewhere or another, I was going to ask them, could she do anything to help me find out something about it. Because that’s still—that’s really where I grew up at, is in Otter Creek, because I got some land down there now, little old spot there. In Otter Creek. Otter Creek next to Ellzey, you know. But… other than that, Momma and them, AAHP 361; Scott; Page 4 for days—for a week at a time, like I say, they stayed in that closed-up area. Couldn’t get out. And peoples was—when the Whites load the train, they only picked up women. They only picked up women. And not the men. You know, a lot of men got away. And anyway, but after they caught one of them, then they’d lynch them. And now, the sheriff, he got a lot of them, okay? A lot of them to Archer, Gainesville, some of them come to here in Chiefland. Some went to Otter Creek and hid and stayed there. The Bradleys. Some of them went to Otter Creek. M: So the sheriff helped the people, then. S: They say. Say he did. I didn’t think he did, but the records say he did. I don’t know. [Laughter]. M: Where were they closed up in? Where everyone was pressed together. This is the camp in Ellzey, right? S: This is the little commissary, they called it. M: Oh, so that’s what they’re—oh, okay. S: Yeah. Commissary, where the food was, they call it the commissary, you know. M: And so all the workers were in there. S: All the people that lived in that area. On that side of the—in the quarters, they had what we called the quarters, you know. You had houses there. So everybody stayed in the boss man’ houses, you see? And so, then they had to get them out of the quarters. And bring them up there where they could guard them, because—like I said, because a lot of people coming from different areas, out of state, was coming down there, and they didn’t know Ellzey from—it didn’t make AAHP 361; Scott; Page 5 no difference to them no way. See, the people that lived in Rosewood knew Ellzey. But the people that would come from out of state, all they want to see is a Black person. And they will shoot them. See? Now, I just read that [inaudible: 7:18] about this man. They called him God-Knows. They shot him down on the road. Go on and on and on, you know. M: Garden Nose? S: That was his nickname. They called him God-Knows, you know, because they always had those nicknames in the quarters, you know.
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