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Texas Tech University's Southwest Collection/Special Collections Oral History Interview of Jesse Taylor Interviewed by: Andy Wilkinson December 12, 2005 Austin, Texas Part of the: Crossroads of Music Archive Texas Tech University’s Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library, Oral History Program Copyright and Usage Information: An oral history release form was signed by Jesse Taylor on December 12, 2005. This transfers all rights of this interview to the Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library, Texas Tech University. This oral history transcript is protected by U.S. copyright law. By viewing this document, the researcher agrees to abide by the fair use standards of U.S. Copyright Law (1976) and its amendments. This interview may be used for educational and other non-commercial purposes only. Any reproduction or transmission of this protected item beyond fair use requires the written and explicit permission of the Southwest Collection. Please contact Southwest Collection Reference staff for further information. Preferred Citation for this Document: Taylor, Jesse Oral History Interview, December 12, 2005. Interview by Andy Wilkinson, Online Transcription, Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library. URL of PDF, date accessed. The Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library houses almost 6000 oral history interviews dating back to the late 1940s. The historians who conduct these interviews seek to uncover the personal narratives of individuals living on the South Plains and beyond. These interviews should be considered a primary source document that does not implicate the final verified narrative of any event. These are recollections dependent upon an individual’s memory and experiences. The views expressed in these interviews are those only of the people speaking and do not reflect the views of the Southwest Collection or Texas Tech University. 2 Texas Tech University’s Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library, Oral History Program Technical Processing Information: The Audio/Visual Department of the Southwest Collection is the curator of this ever-growing oral history collection and is in the process of digitizing all interviews. While all of our interviews will have an abbreviated abstract available online, we are continually transcribing and adding information for each interview. Audio recordings of these interviews can be listened to in the Reading Room of the Southwest Collection. Please contact our Reference Staff for policies and procedures. Family members may request digitized copies directly from Reference Staff. Consult the Southwest Collection website for more information. http://swco.ttu.edu/Reference/policies.php Recording Notes: Original Format: Born Digital Audio Digitization Details: originally recorded in .wma format, converted to .wav Audio Metadata: 44.1k/ 16bit WAV file Further Access Restrictions: N/A Transcription Notes: Interviewer: Andy Wilkinson Audio Editor: Elissa Stroman Transcription: Cecilia Morales Editor(s): Leah Blackwell Final Editor: Andy Wilkinson Interview Series Background: The Crossroads Artists Project encompasses interviews conducted by the Crossroads of Music Archive Staff members. They hope to document the creative process of artists and songwriters from all across the Southwestern United States. 3 Texas Tech University’s Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library, Oral History Program Transcript Overview: This interview features Jesse Taylor, guitarist from Lubbock Texas and longtime member of the Joe Ely Band. Jesse discusses his early musical career in Lubbock and in Austin, and recalls memorable tours and experiences on the road. Length of Interview: 02:10:06 Subject Transcript Page Time Stamp Billy Joe and Eddy Shaver 5 0:00:00 Jesse talks about his father 10 0:12:30 Learning to play the guitar as a kid 12 0:16:00 Developing musically in teenage years during the 1960s 16 0:23:55 Meeting Jimmie Gilmore and Joe Ely 17 0:28:30 High school troubles; Riding out to L.A. on freight trains 20 0:35:00 A few stories: Buddy Holly; Nokie Edwards 21 0:39:30 Playing music in San Francisco 23 0:45:00 Coming back to Austin to play in the late sixties 28 0:54:12 Moving back to Lubbock; Meeting Stubb 31 1:04:10 Playing music at Stubb’s Bar-B-Q 33 1:12:10 Touring 36 1:20:00 Jesse’s preference for a full band 40 1:31:35 Jesse describes what drives his music 44 1:42:20 Memorable experiences in career as a musician 46 1:49:15 Gaining notoriety and classifying the band 48 1:57:25 Opening for the Stones 52 2:03:50 Keywords Lubbock music, popular music, Austin music, rock and roll 4 Texas Tech University’s Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library, Oral History Program Andy Wilkinson (AW): Let’s see if it’s working, yeah. Isn’t this cool? I mean— Jesse Taylor (JT): When we start talking, I’m going to tape it, too. AW: Yeah, and I’ll be glad to give you a copy of this. JT: Oh yeah? AW: But go ahead and do that, that way if there’s—well, there’s—in case one doesn’t work, then you’ve got another one. JT: Here’s us [inaudible] Billy Joe [Shaver]. AW: Oh, his book? JT: Have you seen it? AW: No, I haven’t, but I’ve heard about it. Do you like it? JT: Well, it’s very short on the biography side. You know, it’s just kind of short and to the point. Pretty gritty, but I tell you one thing, I traveled off and on for years if you put it all together. Been a number of years with Billy Joe. And only that much of it—and Billy Joe told me—he taught me one thing I remember. He said, “Tell it like it is. I don’t care if it sounds bad, it don’t matter if you get drunk and thrown in jail or beat up a cop or whatever happened, it don’t matter, he said. Just tell the truth. Always tell the truth. If they don’t like it, well, the heck with it. It doesn’t matter.” So I realized that. So anyway, only that much of it is biography and the rest of it is all the lyrics to all his songs up to this point. Bill Joe still writes two or three songs a week. The guy is prolific. 5 Texas Tech University’s Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library, Oral History Program AW: I didn’t know that you traveled with Billy Joe. JT: Oh, hell yeah. AW: Did you play in the band or were you in a different band that was traveling at the same time? JT: No, I played with Billy. Well see, first when Billy would—you knew who Eddy Shaver was, right? AW: Yes. JT: Well, Eddy kind of took off on his own. Been playing with Billy since he was fifteen and stuff. Then Eddy took off, started getting real popular. He took off with Dwight Yoakam. Played in Dwight’s band for a while, then he started his own rock band for a while and everything. And Billy Joe just—hardly anything was happening with Billy Joe at that point. And I’d known Billy since the mid-seventies, you know, at least since ’75. So me and Billy Joe got to talking one day and this was after Eddy had played with him for a number years and taking off. And Billy didn’t have any gigs, wasn’t doing anything, you know. It was kind of sad, you know. I said, “Well, Billy, why don’t you let me—” he’s always lived in Waco. Well, except for the time that he spent living in Nashville quite a while. But he always kept that house in Waco that he bought after Waylon did the Honky Tonk Heroes you know? AW: Yeah, right. JT: Well, see, he made pretty good money off that album— AW: Yeah, because almost every song on that album— JT: All his. Yeah. But then so I said, “Well, you know, let me book us some gigs.” So at that point, just for about a year, just me and Billy, two acoustic guitars. 6 Texas Tech University’s Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library, Oral History Program AW: Oh man, I would’ve loved to have heard that. JT: Well, we played in Lubbock two or three times. AW: I must have been out of town or something. JT: We played at that old place, Caboose. Then you know that place Ronnie Thompson had. They used to have live music there. Where else did we play? Oh, we played outdoors at that Tommy Thompson’s place, where we played on the roof of that shed, you remember that? (both laugh) And then it was kind of funny because the roof had an angle to it. AW: You had to be careful. JT: You had to make sure you didn’t drink too much before that gig because if you staggered forward a little too much, you were liable to keep going off the edge of the roof. (AW laughs) But anyway, we did that for a while and all. I don’t know. And then, let’s see. Then Ely called me back for, like the tenth time I re-joined the Ely Band. Was doing that. And then Eddy came back and him and Billy started their band, Shaver, they called it. But then when Eddy died, I knew—I told my girlfriend, I said, “I bet you we’re going to be hearing from Billy Joe here pretty quick.” And sure as heck, you know, it wasn’t about a week later that… Billy—he took that really hard. He still takes it hard and all, but he just kept on working. He played that night.
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