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Dick Cooper Interviewer Interviewee: Dick Cooper Interviewer: Dylan Tucker Date: 2/27/2015 Transcriber: Dylan Tucker Abstract: Dick Cooper was born on January 26, 1946. He has lived in North-West Alabama since 1972. While living in the Shoals, he has had a large impact on the music industry. He is currently working as a museum curator for the Alabama Music Hall of Fame in Tuscumbia. Dylan Tucker: Uh, today is February 27th. I'm here with Dick Cooper and we'll be talking about his career in, in the, uh, Muscle Shoals area. Um, first of I guess, um, where and when were you born? Dick Cooper: I was born at Hillman Hospital, Birmingham, Alabama, 8:37AM January the 26th, 1946. Dylan Tucker: Okay. What did your parents do for work when you were growing up? Dick Cooper: My father was a photographer and, uh, he was, um, both a still photographer and, uh, did movies. My mother was a dental assistant. Dylan Tucker: Okay. Uh, did you have any siblings? Dick Cooper: I have a sister who is 10 years younger than I, and then I have a half-sister who is 22 years younger than I am. Dylan Tucker: What was the, uh, neighborhood or area that you grew up in like? Dick Cooper: Inner city Birmingham in the Avendale neigh- neighborhood. Dylan Tucker: What was your schooling like? Dick Cooper: I went to Minnie Holdman Elementary School and until the 5th grade and then we moved from the city out to Trussville, which was a suburb and I went to Hewitt-Trussville Elementary School, Middle School and High School. I graduated from high school in 1964. Dylan Tucker: Ok. Um, what do you remember the most about your childhood? Dick Cooper: My mother's illness. Dylan Tucker: What was your, uh, very first job? 2 Dick Cooper: Working for Sentell Oil Company pumping gas for $.35 an hour. Dylan Tucker: Wow. Dick Cooper: Sentell Oil Company oddly enough was owned by the grandfather of Lee Sentell who is head of Alabama state tourism and is now technically my boss. Dylan Tucker: Oh that's, that's just weird how it all just fits in like that. Uh, what was your, uh, sorry, where did, uh, you go to college at? Dick Cooper: I went to the University of Alabama, uh, in the fall of '64. Uh, flunked out of there at the end of May and then went to Jefferson State Junior College for 2 years, where I ran track and then I went to ... I moved to Decatur and went to Calhoun Junior College for a, a couple of classes and then I went to the University of Alabama in Huntsville for some classes. Dylan Tucker: Okay. Dick Cooper: I did not graduate. Dylan Tucker: All right. So what did you do afterwards? Dick Cooper: After those? Dylan Tucker: Mm-hmm. Dick Cooper: Well before after those I started … when I was working with, uh, uh, going to Jefferson State I started working with the Birmingham Post Herald as a reporter. Dylan Tucker: Mm-hmm. Dick Cooper: That led me to moving to the Decatur Daily and covering Science and Education, uh, primarily the first moon launch. Uh, then I moved to Scottsboro where I converted the Sentinel Age to the Daily Sentinel and as a result was one of the youngest managing editors of a daily newspaper in the United States at that time. Then I moved back to the Decatur Daily for a year as covering the, the State Editor recovering the State Legislature and then I moved in 1972 to the Shoals area and as a general assignment reporter I also started covering the music industry. Dylan Tucker: Okay. What can you tell me about the music industry here in the Shoals? Like the, uh, just the high points. 3 Dick Cooper: Well, the music industry changed quite, uh, a lot over the 40 plus years that I've been here. Dylan Tucker: Mm-hmm. Dick Cooper: When I first arrived in, uh, March of 1972, uh, I, there wasn't really … there was a studio scene and there were studio musicians but at that point in time there were about eight or nine studios, and, uh, but there was no live entertainment. Uh, for live entertainment you had to go to the state line. Dylan Tucker: Mm-hmm. Dick Cooper: And most of these session musicians had bands that they played with at the state line to give them additional money. Uh, that's totally different now that we're … actually have legalized sales of alcohol now and we have the various venues around town that, uh, promote the local music scene. Dylan Tucker: Okay. Um, how long have you lived in North-West Alabama? Dick Cooper: Mm, since March the 3rd of 1972. Dylan Tucker: Okay. What was it like when you, uh, first moved here? Dick Cooper: Uh, there was no alcohol sales. On Sundays all you could buy was milk, bread and gasoline. Uh, there were, uh, there was really not much of anything to do here except hang out at the studios. I did not realize when I came here that they had a music scene but I soon discovered it and began writing a column, a gossip column for the local paper, The Florence Times Tri-cities Daily about what went on in the music business. This, uh, took care of a responsibility I had for a Sunday feature story. Each reporter at the paper had to have a Sunday feature. But this column allowed me to fulfill that obligation and without having to do a lot of research on anything else. Dylan Tucker: Mm-hmm. Dick Cooper: Excuse me. Dylan Tucker: Oh, that's fine. Dick Cooper: This is my agent. Dylan Tucker: Ok. 4 Dick Cooper: Hey, Darren what's up? Dylan Tucker: Ok. (Recorder is shut off for a few minutes) Dick Cooper: Anyway, I did that gossip column for three and half years approximately and then I transitioned into the music business, and what happened was that a friend of mine by the name of Johnny Weiker, told me that, "You need to get in the music business." I said, "I don't know anything about the music business," and he says, "Don't worry. Nobody else does either." And he was right. Everybody was just kind of flying by the seat of their pants and there was really no rhyme or reason or plan so much but it worked. Dylan Tucker: Mm-hmm. Who were some of the great characters from around this area? Dick Cooper: Spooner Oldham is probably the most, uh, animated character I guess around here, uh, but you have plenty like Jimmy Johnson, David Hood, uh, Barry Beckett who is deceased now, uh, Roger Hawkins from the rhythm section, Rick Hall. Um, he's quite flamboyant in his own right, uh. And, uh, there are other people like Will McFarland who is a great guitar player who plays at Sound a lot. A lot of folks around here. Dylan Tucker: Mm-hmm, let's see. Do you remember any great stories about this area? Dick Cooper: A few. Dylan Tucker: If you want, you can tell as many as you need. (laughs) Dick Cooper: Uh, you know, uh, musically, there's a, a lot of, of things that have gone down over the years. Uh, just before I came here, uh, there was a lot of animosity towards the music community. Uh, uh, a musician couldn't go to the bank and borrow money to buy a car and something of this nature. And that all got turned around in the early '70's when these musicians started really making some serious money and, um, and started, uh, spreading it around. The two examples that I know of that were hilarious in my way of thinking were, uh, essentially basically the same story with, with two different people. One was Johnny Weiker, who in the early '70's had a band called Cell Cat who had a top, uh, 20 song called Motorcycle Moan and his first royalty check was about $80,000 I believe. So he can't get an $80,000 check cashed in Florence, he has to go to Huntsville to do it, and as he's driving to Huntsville on 72 he passes the marina in Rogersville, Alabama and he notices that there's a twin in board out board sea camper with two V8, uh, Volvo Engines in it and, uh, he 5 goes on to Huntsville and he cashes his check. And he comes back through Rogersville and he's got on a pair of cut-offs and he's got on a T-shirt and he's driving a Cadillac but it's about a 10 year old Cadillac. So he stops and he can't get anybody to pay any attention to him. And finally he goes up to a salesman and says, "Can you tell me about that, uh, that sea camper out there?" And the guys says, "Oh you wouldn't want that. That's a $24,000," and before he could get anything else out of his mouth Weiker starts counting off bills and he pays cash for it and has it delivered to his house in Sheffield. The other story is almost identical to that. It's with Eddie Hinton who is a session guitarist. Uh, he got bunch of money saved up and he went down to the Lincoln dealer and he wanted a, uh, Lincoln Continental and a Mark III I believe was the version that was out at that point in time.
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