1944 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9599 the Department is then at liberty to ap Harper W. Capman, Lambertvme. MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE point as many as it desires· to that rank. M. Adele Zinger, Ruth. Jennie L. Wyman, South Rockwood. A message from the Senate, by Mr. I was told that by an Army officer. Frazier, its legislative clerk, announced RECESS TO MONDAY NEW YORK that the Senate had passed without Thomas :J. Tighe, Jr., Amsterdam. amendment a bill of the House of the Mr. HILL. Mr. President, the Senate Eunice A. De Lisle, Berne. · following title: has now been in session for 7 hours. In Lucy B. Pulver, East Nassau. view of the statement of the Senator Joseph P. Hertz, Glenmont. H. R. 5566. An act to amend section 502 (a) from Pennsylvania [Mr. GUFFEY] I think Helen Wheatley, Greenfield Center. of the Department of Agriculture Organic Act we might well take a recess at this time. Mortimer E. Clement, Honeoye. of 1944. I therefore move that the Senate take a William Light, Morrisonville. The message also announced that the Mildred S. Makyes, Onondaga. ..:: ..1 recess until 12 o'clock noon on Monday Leo S. Kittell, Silver Creek. "'-: Senate agrees to the amendments of the next: Anna M. Isbell, Warners .. House to a concurrent resolution of the The motion was agreed to; and (at 6 W. Kenneth Atkins, Westerlo. Senate of the following title: o'clock and 5 minutes p. m.) the Senate Helen K. Morrison, Westmoreland. S. Con. Res. 23. Concurrent resolution es in executive session took a recess until UTAH tablishing a Joint Committee on the Organ Monday, December 18, 1944, at 12 o'clock Agnes Ellen Scow, Dragerton. ization of the Congress. meridian. .James C. Hill, Elsinore. The message also announced that the Nell M. Ekker, Loa. Senate agrees to the report of the com NOMINATIONS Fenton T. Draper, Moroni. Christena G. Frank, Providence. mittee of conference on the disagreeing Executive nominations received by the Thomas J. Morley, Salina. votes of the two House ~~ on the amend Senate December 16 In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend as follows: I In lieu of the sum proposed by as follows: in lieu of the sum proposed by ment insert "$717"; and the Senate agree said amendment insert "$486"; and the Sen said amendment insert "$5,890;400"; and the to the same. ate agree to the same. Senate agree to the same. Amendment numbered 96: That the House Amendment numbered 109: That the Amendment numbered 122: That the recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement to the House recede from its disagreement to the ment of the Senate numbered 96, and agree amendment of the Senate numbered 109, amendment of the Senate numbered 122, to the same with an amendment, as follows: and agree to the same with an amendment, and agree to the same with an amendment, In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend as follows~ In lieu of the sum proposed by as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by ment insert "$27,750"; and the Senate agree said amendment insert "$463"; and the Sen said amendment insert "$7,308"; and the to the same. ate agree to the same. Senate agree to-the same. Amendment numbered 97: That the House Amendment numbered 110: That the The committee of conference report in dis recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement to the agreement amendments numbered 9, 10, 11, ment of the Senate numbered 97, and agree amendment of the Senate numbered 110, 13, 14, 15, 17, 22,30, 39,40,41,42, 43,125, and to the same with an amendment, as follows: and agree to the same with an amendment, 126. In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by CLARENCE CANNON, ment insert "$13,875"; and the Senate agree said amendment insert "$116"; and the Sen C. A. WOODRUM• to the same. ate agree to the same. LOUIS LUDLOW, Amendment numbered 98: That the House Amendment numbered 111: That the JED JOHNSON, recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement to the EMMET O 'NEAL, ment of the Senate numbered 98, and agree amendment of the Senate numbered 111, LOUIS C. RABAUT, to the same with an amendment, as follows: and agree to the same with an amendment, EvERETl' M. DIRKSEN, In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by ALBERT J. ENGEL, ment insert "$2,220,000"; and the Senate said amendment insert "$463"; and the Sen FRANCIS CASE, agree to the same. ate agree to the same. FRANK B. KEEFE, Amendment numbered 99: That the House Amendment numbered 112: That the Managers on the part of the House. recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement .to the amendment of the Senate numbered 112, KENNETH MCKELLAR, ment of the Senate numbered 99, and.agree CARL HAYDEN, to the same with an amendment, as follows: and agree to the same. with an amendment, as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by RICHARD B. RUSSELL, In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend RUFUS C. HOLMAN, ment insert "$4,662"; and the Senate agree said amendment insert "$3,161,650''; and the Senate agree to the same. C. WAYLAND BROOKS, to the same. Managers on the part of the Senate. Amendment numbered 100: That the House Amendment numbered 113: That the recede from its disagreement to the amend House recedE\ from its disagreement to the ment of the Senate numbered 100, and agree amendment of the Senate numbered 113, Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. to the same with an amendment, as follows: and agree to the same with ·an amendment, Speaker, I ask unanimous consent for In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by the present consideration of the confer ment insert "$1,291"; and the Senate agree said amendment insert "$26,085"; and the ence report on the bill H. R. 5587. to the same. Senate agree to the same. The SPEAKER. Is there objection to Amendment numbered 101: That the House Amendment numbered 114: That the the request of the gentleman from Mis recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement to the souri? ment of the Senate numbered 101, and agree amendment of the Senate numbered 114, There was no objection~ to the same with an amendment, as follows: and agree to the same with an amendment, In liPU of the sum proposed by said amend as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. ment insert "$532"; and the Senate agree said amendment insert "$286,750"; and the Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that to the same. Senate agree to the same. the conference report be read. Amendment numbered 102: That the House Amendment numbered 115: That the The SPEAKER. Is there objection recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement to the to the request of the gentleman from amendment of the Senate numbered 115, and ment of the Senate number~d 102, and agree Missouri? to the same with an amendment, as follows: agree to the same with an amendment, as In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by said There was no objection. ment insert "$49,950"; and the Senate agree amendment insert "$3,423"; and the Senate The Clerk read the conference report. to the same. agree to the same. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak~ Amendment numbered 103: That the House Amendment numbered 116: That the er, this conference report composes all recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement to the differences bet.ween the two Houses with ment of the Senate numbered 103, and agree amendment of the Senate numbered 116, and the exception of 16 separate Senate agree to the same with an amendment, as to the same with an amendment, as follows: amendments, which will be later sub~ In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by said ment insert "$485,625"; and the Senate ·agree amendment insert "$24,513"; and the Senate mitted to the House seriatim. I move to the same. agree to the same. the previous question on the conference Amendment numbered 104: That the House Amendment numbered 117: That the report. recede from its disagreement to the amend House recede from its disagreement to the The previous question was ordered. ment of the Senate numbered 104, and agree amendment of the Senate numbered 117, and The SPEAKER. The question is on to the same with an amendment, as follows: agree to the same with an amendment, as agreeing to the conference report. In lieu of the sum proposed by said amend follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by said The conference report was agreed to. ment insert "$83,250"; and the Senate agree amendment insert "$259,000"; and the Senate to the same. agree to the same. The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report Amendment numbered 105: That the Amendment numbered 118: That the the first amendment in disagreement. House recede from its disagreement to the House recede from its disagreement to the The Clerk read as follows: amendment of the Senate numbered 105, amendment of the Senate numbered 118, Senate amendment No. 9: Page 9, line S, and agree to the same with an amendment, and agree to the same with an amendment, strike out "Appropriation Act, 1945," and as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by insert "and the pay, allowance, commutation said amendment insert "$925"; and the Sen ·said ·amendment insert "$323,750"; and the of quarters, and uniform allowance of regular ate agree to the same. Senate agree to the same. and reserve commissioned nurses, the number Amendment numbered 106: That the Amendment numbered 119: That the of regular commissioned nurses appointed House recede from its disagreement to the House recede from its disagreement to the to be in addition to the number of regular amendment of the Senate numbered 106, amendment of the Senate numbered 119, active commissioned officers otherwise au and agree to the same with an amendment, and agree to the same with an amendment, thorized, and not to exceed 50 regular com as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by missioned nurses may be appointed in grades said amendment insert "$20!}"; and the Sen said amendment insert "$107,763"; and the above that of senior assistant and for pur ate agree to the same. Senate agree to the same. poses of pay and pay period shall be consid· Amendment numbered 107: That the Amendment numbered 120: That the ered as having had on the date of appoint House recede from its disagreement to the House recede from its disagreement to the ment service equal to that of the junior offi amendment of the Senate numbered 107, amendment of the Senate numbered 120, cer of the grade to which appointed. and agree to the same with an amendment, and agree to the same with an amendment, Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak~ as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by as follows: In lieu of the sum proposed by said amendment insert "$435"; and the Sen said amendment insert "$46,250"; and the er, I ask unanimous consent that amend~ ate agree to the same. Senate agree to the same. ments Nos. 9 and 10 be considered jointly. Amendment numbered 108: That the Amendment numbered 121: That the The SPEAKER. Is there objection to House recede from its disagreement to the House recede from its disagreement to the the request of the gentleman from Mis amendment of the Senate numbered 108, amendment of the Senate numbered 121, souri. and agree to the same with an amendment, and agree to the same with an amendment, There was no objection. 1944 CONGRESSIONAL_- RECORD-HOUSE .96ll The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report cally to situations growing out of the war. the other amendment. the next amendment in disagreement. Here is a proposition which has no rela The Clerk read as follows: The Clerk read as follows: tion to the war; it is extraneous matter Senate amendment No. 10: Page 9, line 13, Amendment No. 17: Page 13, line 7, insert and is not in order. strike out "$963,400" and insert "$1,225,823." the following: "Provided further, That in The SPEAKER. The Chair is not ex making allocations out of the funds appro actly clear on the language that it is Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak· priated in this paragraph for construction destruction or injury growing entirely out er, I move that the House recede and projects priority shall be given to emergency of the war. Is it the opinion of the gen concur in the Senate amendments. projects involving an estimated cost to the The motion was agreed to. Federal Government of less than $250,000." tleman from Missouri that is what the The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report paragraph in the bill is limited to? Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. The pend the next amendment in disagreement. Speaker, I move that the House recede The Clerk read as follows: ing proposition is tied up with and inci from its disagreement to the amendment dent to titles II and III of the act of Senate amendment No. 11: Page 10, line of the Senate No. 17 and concur therein. October 14, 1940, which is an act pro 13, insert: Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, I ask for a viding solely for activities in connection "Tuberculosis: For expenses necessary, division of the question. fiscal year 1945, to carry out the purposes of · with the prosecution of the war. The section 314 (b) of the Public Health Service The SPEAKER. The question is: proposition the gentleman suggests has Act of July 1, 1944, including personal serv Will the House recede from its disagree no relation to the war; it deals solely with Ices In the District of Columbia; purchase ment to the amendment of the Senate an act of God and is entirely new matter of reports, documents, and other material for No. 17. not contemplated by the act of October publication and of reprints from State, city, The motion was agreed to. 14, 1940, and appea,.rs in neither the and private publications; the purchase (not Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, I offer a House nor Senate bills. exceeding 6), and maintenance, repair, and preferential motion to concur with an Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr: Speaker, it occurs operation of passenger-carrying automobiles; amendment. and items otherwise chargeable to the appro to me that the definition placed on the priation 'Miscellaneous and contingent ex The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report act by the gentleman from Missouri is penses, Public Health Service'; $668,000, of the amendment. entirely too restrictive. The purpose of which amount not to exceed $129,032 may be The Clerk read as follows: the act, of course, was to further im transferred to the appropriation 'Pay, and so Amendment offered by Mr. CAsE: 0~ pgge prove conditions in the defense area by forth, commissioned officers, Public Health 13, amendment No. 17, lines 7 to 11, Mr. making houses available, even in areas Service', for the employment of 50 additional CAsE moves to concur in the Senate amend other than defense areas. There has regular co~missioned officers, of which num ment [No. 17) with an amendment striking ber 24 are authorized to be commissioned in out the period, inserting a semicolon and the been great storm damage up in New Eng - grades above that of senior assistant." following language: "Provided further, That land and in some of the other areas so the funds appropriated in this paragraph . that men who have been employed in war Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak shall be available for restoration of com industries - are presently without ade er, I move that the House recede irom its munity facilities destroyed by hurricane or quate housing to pursue their -occupa disagreement to the amendment of the other public disaster where the ability of the tions in a defense area. That would be Senate No. 11 and concur therein. local community to restore or repair the fa one of ·the incidents, &nd i~ occurs to me The motion was agreed to. cilities has been impaired by meeting de the amendment is entirely germane to The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report mands created by the war." the purposes set out in the amendment the next amendment in disagreement. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak inserted in the bill by the Senate. The Clerk read as follows: er, I make a point of order that the mo Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, I would like Amendment No. 13: Page 12, line 3, insert tion is not in order. It is not germane to observe that the last part of the lan "Office of the Administrator." in that it introduces material which does guage which I have offered conditions Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak not appear in either the House or Senate the action proposed upon the repairing er, I move that the House recede from its bills. of community facilities where the ability disagreement to the amendment of the Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, may I be of the community has been impaired by Senate No. 13 and concur therein. heard on the point of order? meeting demands created by the war. The motion was agreed to. The SPEAKER. The Chair will hear Moreover, the Lanham Act is not limited The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the gentleman. to the war. It is somewhat broader than the next amendment in disagreement. Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, I do not be that. In fact, we were not in the war at The Clerk read as follows: lieve the point of order made by the gen the time the Lanham Act was passed and I call the Speaker's attention to the Amendment No. 14: Page 12, line 4, insert: tleman from Missouri will lie in view of "Traveling expenses: For an additional the fact that the amendment I propose fact the act was the act of October 14, amount for traveling expenses, Federal Secu relates to community facilities. We are 1940. rity Agency, fiscal year 1945, including the not now dealing with the powers of the The SPEAKER. The Chair under the objects specified under this head in the Fed conferees; we are dealing with the power statement of the gentleman from Mis eral Security Agency Appropriation Act, 1945, of the House. The amendment which is souri and in a way supported by the gen $99,000." proposed to be added by the Senate refers tleman from Illinois cannot see anything Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak to the funds appropriated in this bill; in the amendment or the propesal of the er, I move that the House recede from its and the entire paragraph refers to com gentleman from South Dakota [Mr. disagreement to the amendment of the munity facilites. My amendment merely CASE] except an act of God; therefore Senate No. 14 and concur therein. proposes that the funds appropriated by the Chair thinks that the amendment is The motion was agreed to. this paragraph, referring directly to not germ:;ne and sustains the point of The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report them, shall be available for restoration order. the next amendment in disagreement·. of community facilities under certain Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, a parlia The Clerk read as follows: conditions relating to demands created mentary inquiry. by the war. Titles II and III of the act Amendment No. 15: Page 12, line 8, insert The SPEAKER. The gentleman will the following: of October 14, 1940, generally known as state it. "Printing and binding: For an additional the Lanham Act, relate to the supplying Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, is it not true amount for printing and binding, Federal of community facilities needed in the that in ruling upon questions of this sort Security Agency, fiscal year 1945, including defense effort or to meet demands or where they involve securing an agree the objects specified und.er this head in the situations created by the war; conse ment between the two bodies. of the Con Federal Security Agency Appropriation Act, quently, I believe the amendment is gress considerable latitude is allowed for 1945, $6,000." directly related and a proper condition the purpose of reaching an agreement Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak to attach to the language proposed by in the interest of comity and that the er, I move that the House recede from the Senate. ordinary rules of germaneness do not ap its disagreement to the amendment of Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak ply strictly? the Senate No. 15 and concur therein. er, this is entirely new matter. The The SPEAKER. The Chair would dif The motion was agreed to. proposition before us is restricted specifi- fer with the gentleman on that. The 9612 ·coNGRESSIONAL RECORD-HQ_USE DECEMBER 16 Chair does not think that conferees on insists upon this 5-year census of agri- Mr. DIRKSEN. I think the rural mail the part of the House and the Senate - culture. There are some on this side of carriers· could make. a pretty fair spot could set aside the rule of germaneness. the Capitol who do not agree particu census that would serve as good a pur Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, I assume that larly that it will be_a very fruitful effort pose as would be served by the expendi the Speaker took into consideration the or that it sbould be carried out at the ture of the money that is asked for here. fact this whole thing is conditioned upon present time. Altogether~ as I recall the · Mr. O'HARA. Mr. Speaker, will the the proposition that this extension should figures, about $12,750,000 would be avail gentleman yield? apply only where the ability of the local able if this were approved. About $600,- Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield to the gentle community has been impaired by meeting 000 has already been expended, and some man from Minnesota. demands created by the war? of the field offices have been established Mr. O'HARA. Will this require the The SPEAKER. The Chair has read . and supervisors have been designated. use of cars and gasoline by these census that part of the gentleman's amendment They discovered, of course, that they takers? · very thoroughly. could not get enough enumerators under Mr. DIRKSEN. I presume it will, be Mr. CASE. I respect the Speaker's the funds that were originally made cause there are large areas to be trav ruling. - available, so it became necessary to ask ersed, and manifestly an automobile will The SPEAKER. The question is on for additional funds. - be necessary; and of course gasoline is concurring in the Senate amendment. In the first place there is a manpower a very tight item and very necessary in The Senate amendment was concurred shortage in the country. Notwithstand the war effort. in. ing the fact that they agree on using I trust, therefore, that the earlier po The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report women enumerators, they are st.ill going sition of the House will be sustained and the next amendment in disagreement. to have difficulty, and I doubt whether it that it will resist the motion to recede The Clerk react· as follows: would be enough money to do the job. and concur. Amendment No. 22: Strike out lines 24 and Secondly, I wonder about the value of an Mr. SHORT. Mr. Speaker, will the 25, on page 21, and lines 1 to 5, and page 22, agricultural census at the present time. gentleman yield? and insert in lieu thereof the following: In one year, for instance, we had 126,- Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield to the gentle "For an additional amount, notwithstand 000,000 hogs in the country. In the next man from Missouri. ing the limitations contained in the item Mr. SHORT. We have been told by 'Conservation and use of agricultural land year it dropped down to something like resources' contained in the Department of 80,000,000. So the figures on hogs and both the Army and the Navy that we Agriculture Appropriation Act, 1944, includ cattle and geese and pigs and sheep and have a great shortage of manpower in ing the objects specified under the same item chickens and all other farm livestock and all branches of our armed services at in the Department of Agriculture Appro fowls of the country shift so radically this critical stage of the war. We have priation Act, 1945, $13,000,000." under these very flexible action programs also been told that we have a shortage Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak that have been instituted by the War of manpower in our leading war indus er, I move that the House recede and Food Administrator and the Department tries all over the country. We all know concur in the Senate amendment with of Agriculture that I doubt very much from personal contact and experience an amendment which I send to the the wisdom of taking a census at this that we have a shortage of manpower Clerk's desk. time, because within 365 days the figures back on the farm. If these census The Clerk read as follows: will have little or no value and the job enumerators and takers would spend less will have to be done over again if the time counting our chickens and hogs and Mr. CANNON of Missouri moves that the cattle, we perhaps would have a little House recede and concur in the Senate money is available. Why can we not amendment with an amendment as follows: let this matter ride until at least that more manpower available to produce a In lieu of the matter stricken out and in portion of hostilities that relates to the larger crop of them all. serted by said amendment, insert the follow European theater comes to an end, and Mr. DIRKSEN. The gentleman makes ing: then probably we can deduce some figures a very forceful observation. "The limitation on expenditures under the that will be a little more stable and will Mr. GILLESPIE. Mr. Speaker, will 1944 program of soil-building practices and be of more value to the economy of the the gentleman yield? soil- and water-conservation practices estab country? lished in the fourth proviso clause of the Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield to the gentle appropriation 'Conservation and Use of Agri Mr. REED of New York. Mr. Speaker, man from Colorado. cult ural Land Resources,' in the Department will the gentleman yield? Mr. GILLESPIE. I wonder if the gen of Agriculture Appropriation Act, 1944, is " Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield to the gentle tleman knows whether or not Germany hereby increased from $300,000,000 to $313,- man from New York. and Japan are taking farm censuses. 000,000 (exclusive of the $12,500,000 provided Mr. REED of New York. Those fig Mr. DIRKSEN. I have grave doubts in the Department of Agriculture Appro on the subject. priation Act, 1945, for additional seed pay ures would be so far out of date by the ment)." time they were compiled they would be Mr. Speaker, I hope that the motion absolutely useless. to recede and concur will be rejected. The SPEAKER. The question is on Mr. DIRKSEN. I think the gentle Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. the motion offered by the gentleman from man is absolutely right. -It takes a little Speaker, one of the urgent problems Missouri. while to assemble these things and com which now confront the American The motion was agreed to. pare them. It will require extra clerks people-a problem to which both busi The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report in the Census O:tnce in Washington. ness and agriculture are giving earnest the next amendment in disagreement. When it has been all put together and consideration-is the problem of post The Clerk read as follows: printed and distributed to the Members war reconversion, and especially the Amendment No. 30: Page 26 line 5, insert: of the House and the Senate and to the maintenance of post-war agriculture. "BUREAU OF THE CENSUS interested people in the country, it will Remembering the collapse of agricul "Census of agriculture: For an additional be of very dubious value. The question ture and the ensuing bankruptcy of the amount for census of agriculture, including is this. We have about 5 cents out· of ·farmer in the post-war period following the objects specified under this head in the every dollar that would be available ex World War No. 1, there is an effort- on Department of Commerce Appropriation Act, pended now. Shall we waste a nickel, the part of both industry and govern 1945, $5,000,000, to remain available until or shall we go ahea·d and throw the other ment to prevent a recurrence of that sit December 31, 1946." 95 cents into it for a proposition that is uation after World War No. 2. The situ Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak wholly speculative and of questionable ation is even more menacing this time er, I move that the House recede and value? than it was in 1918. More money has concur in the Senate amendment. Mr. DONDERO. Mr. Speaker, will the been spent, more men have been in I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman gentleman yield? volved, there has been greater disloca from Illinois [Mr. DIRKSEN]. Mr. DIRKSEN. I yield to the gentle tion of business and a greater surplus of Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. Speaker, this is man from Michigan. farm products has been accumulated. I our old familiar friend, the census of Mr. DONDERO. If it was found nec think everybody agrees that it is impera agriculture. We could not agree in con essary to take the census, why could not tive that we must make provision for the ference, and hence the matter comes the agricultural agent of the county do inevitable post-war period now rapidly back for a separate vote. The Senate U? . approaching. Unless Congress makes 1944 CONGRESSIONA~ RECORD-HOUSE 9613 legislative provision for it and does it in census will be wasted. We cannot take agricultural census pursuant to an old telligently, we will have the same situa the census without this money, and the law merely because it contained a pro tion on the American farm after this war $7,250,000 or at least $600,000 of this vision authorizing the taking of an agri we had in the memorable depression which has already been expended will be cultural census every 5 years. It is pro which followed the last war. lost. · posed to employ about 30,000 people to do In order to plan intelligently to meet . Mr. KEEFE. Mr. Speaker, will my this job. If you say that they are people this situation, we must have data on distingUished chairman yield me some that are not going to interfere with the which to plan. This Congress, in the act time? war effort in the factories or on the farm, of December 23, 1943, provided fgr this Mr. CANNON of Missouri. I yield 5 then you are going to get a lot of people agricultural census with that in view. . minutes to the gentleman from Wiscon who are not capable of doing the job. Conditions are abnormal on the Ameri sin [Mr. KEEFE]. You are going to get a census that will not can farm today. No one knows just what Mr. SHORT. Mr. Speaker, will the be worth the expenditure. It seems to me the situation is. This census was au gentleman from Wisconsin yield briefly? that the people of this country will ap thorized to determine a basis upon which Mr. KEEFE. Yes. plaud the action of the Congress in say we can meet the emergency. Mr. SHORT. Mr. Speaker, I think ing that we do not intend to throw away In the regular annual Agricultural Ap that all Members of the House will agree another $5,000,000 on a perfectly use propriation Act, 1945, we appropriated with the distinguished chairman of the less project in the face of the demands $7,250 to start it. At that time we did Committee on Appropriations, the gen of General Somervell and General not appropriate the full amount because tleman from Missouri [Mr. CANNON], Marshall, and all of the rest of the it was felt it would be necessary to secure that the Congress should do everything people in charge of our war effort. a little more information before the final in its power to prevent the dilemma, in What a tragedy it would be, even in the estimate was submitted, and no provi deed, the catastrophe, that faced agri face of the statements that appear in the sion was made for the field work. Here culture following the last war, but he_is hearings, if the word should go out that we have the set-up, ready and waiting, crossing the bridge before we get to it. the Congress had decided to put 30,000 but no money for field work. This ap He is talking about post-war agriculture people on the pay roll, to use tires and propriation is to provide money for that before we have won this war. It is in gas to run around this country in an purpose. My good friend and beloved conceivable to me in this critical period effort to get information that we al colleague, the gentleman from Missouri, of our history, when faced with man ready have. Eow absurd that we presents the· suggestion that it will in power shortages, not only in our armed should take those people a way from terfere with manpower needs of the war forces but in the war industries and on their jobs on the farm and put them program. As a matter of fact, this work the farm, that we should propose to hire to work in an activity, that so far as the .will be done very largely by women. A a lot of American citizens to go out and farmers and the business people in the large proportion of the enumerators who gather data and statistics which we al district that I represent are concerned, -will take this census are women. With ready have in our possession to a great is utterly useless and worthless. that point particularly in view we took extent. The argument that women are I ask the gentleman to show the proof this matter up with the departmental to do much or most of the work in the any place where any great farm organ heads in the hearings and we received taking of this census does not have much ization or any great national organiza every assurance that it would not in any cogency or force, because women already tion of any kind or character-unless it way interfere with the war program. On are employed on farms, in our war in be the Democratic Party-has pressed the contrary, it would provide a very es dustries, and in the armed forces. We for this pa ticular piece of legislation at sential factor upon which to predicate are depending on women as well as men, this time. As far as I am co'lcerned I a workable program to forestall our com and even with women we should not want to go back to tell the people I rep ing potential depression. At the time start on some grandiose schemes to pro resent that we have made an honest ef this matter was last under consideration, duce something which we already have. fort the first time it came up to save at the House divided along purely partisan Win the war first. Take the census least $5,000,000. lines. Mr. Speaker, this is not a time for later. Political parasites do not aid in Mr. JENKINS. Mr. Speaker, will the partisanship. This is a proposition on winning the war. " gentleman yield? which we cannot afford to play politics. Mr. KEEFE. Mr. Speaker, I am in Mr. KEEFE. I yield. We have before us the salutary lesson complete accord with what my dis Mr. JENKINS. Is there any sig learned in the last war. World War No. tinguished friend has said. I rise to nificance in this date, December 31, 1 ended unexpectedly and there was no answer. one or two statements made by 1946? time for planning in anticipation of the my distinguished chairman. He de Mr. KEEFE. I do not know whether close of the war; no preparation had been fends this item on the ground that it is there is any significance in that date or made and we suddenly found ourselves needed in order to alleviate the condi not, unless it indicates that the funds will precipitated into the bitter problems of tion of agriculture. He has painted a be available until after the congressional peace without a program. The result dire picture as to what the condition of elections in 1946. was disastrous. We must not make that agriculture would be at the conclusion Mr. DffiKSEN. Mr. Speaker, will the mistake this time. We must be equipped of this war without this agricultural cen gentleman yield? with a definite, progressive, and con sus. He says that we must not repeat The SPEAKER. The time of the gen structive plan in order to meet the situ the performance of the last war, and, tleman from Wisconsin has expired. ation which we know is certain to come. therefore, we must get ready by sending Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. Speaker, will the This is a proposition to maintain the a lot of people, 30,000 of them, out to gentleman from Missouri yield 1 addi n~tional farm income after the war, to harass and annoy the farmers · of this tional minute to the gentleman from take care of the enormous surpluses of country with a great long series of ques Wisconsin that I may ask him a ques every agricultural product now hanging tionnaires, asking them how many pigs tion? · like the sword of Damocles over the mar there are on the farm, and how many Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak ket and to prevent another terrific de chickens they have on the farm, and er, I yield 1 min1.J,te to the gentleman pression such as we had in 1920. how many cows there are on the farm, from Dlinois. Mr. KERR. Mr. Speaker, will the gen and all that sort of thing. The chair Mr. DffiKSEN. I was going to say to tleman yield? man of this committee knows as well as my friend from Wisconsin that nor Mr. CANNON of Missouri. I yield to anyone that under existing procedure mally I would be for this survey but in the gentleman from North Carolina. and facilities today, anyone can call the the very bill that is before us we are tak Mr. KERR. This should be continued, Department of Agriculture and, through ing care of a deficiency of $13,000,000 for due to the fact that a large part of the the Bureau of Agricultural Economics the Agricultural Adjustment Adminis $7,000,000 which has already been ap and their reporting services, get any and tration where they over-committed propriated, has been allotted or spent in all information or statistics relating to all themselves notwithstanding the limita the beginning on this organization. phases of agriculture. This information tions we wrote into the regular supply Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Certainly. is kept up to date from month to month bill. The reason was that there were All the money that has been spent in under eXisting facilities. · It is perfect more particip~nts in the farm program. building up the organization to take tJ?.e nonsense to talk about carrying out an In view of that rather flexible condition XC-606 9614 ·coNGR-ESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 16 in the farm economy what value will Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Speaker, I am ut point of politics is what brings politics there be in these figures a year from terly surprised at the arguments that into it. now? have been advanced against the taking Mr. RANKIN. No. It was before elec Mr. KEEFE. There will be none. of this census at the present time. You tion that we provided for this census. - I Mr. DIRKSEN. I think that is the might as well make. that argument heard it on every hand that you thought patent reason why it ought to be denied against taking a census of the popula you were going to carry the House. Of at this time. tion of the United States as provided by course, I was not excited about that. I lV'ir. CANNON ofMissouri. Mr. Speak- the Constitution. have served under Republican adminis er, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman I am probably the only man in the tratiof'ls, and I think I am one of the last from South Dakota [Mr. CAsE]. House who was a member of the Census men in the House to get up and jump on Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, I do not be. Committee 20 years ago when you Re a man about his politics. But you voted lieve I shall need 3 minutes. The other publicans were in charge of the House for this census last year· when we were day I received a letter commenting on and when congressionally speaking there at war and we are still at war. the action of the House when this de- were giants upon the earth. You had -in - Mr. CASE. We thought the war would ficiency bill was before us, complimenting this House at that time Nicholas Long be over before this. the House on the action it had taken in worth, James R. Mann, John Q. Tilson, - Mr. RANKIN. You are getting ready eliminating the consumer studies and and a large number of other great lead to disrupt your own policy which your eliminating this proposed fund for the ers of your party. own party started when they were in census of agriculture.- The man writing This question was brought up then, power. I heard the argument then. I me said this: and they convinced the country, and was in the minority and I went along You have got to kill the bear before you they convinced the House, that this cen with them because they convinced me can skin it. There is altogether too much sus of agriculture should be taken in that this agricultural census should be talk about getting ready for what we are 1925 and every 10 years thereafter. It taken every 10 years. Where was the going to do after the war at a time when we has been done ever since. gentleman from South Dakota last year have not got the war won. This is not a political question. As when we passed the law providing for That is what he wrote. Those of you far as I am individually concerned, I do this census? who read the Prime Minister's speech in not care whether I get any patronage Where, where was Roderick then! the Parliament yesterday· must have out of it or not. I have long since learned One blast upon his bugle hor~ noted that he said the hardest battles that patronage, as a rule, does a Con Was worth a thousand men! are still ahead of us. With the changes gressman as much harm as it does him that have come in the prolongation of the good. Are you going to -abandon this pol You can kick this item out if you want war this House will find it hard to ex- icy altogether? Are you going -to say to. We are going to call the roll on it, plain that it now proposes to set up an by your vote that we will not tak-e a but we will pass it in January. additional $5,000,000 to employ 30,000 census provided by law? Why did you The Director of the Census came be more people for the census of agriculture. not ·say that last year when we were fore the committee and stated: It is not merely the employment of 30,- passing the law pursuant to the custom We are particularly determined that it be not permitted to interfere insofar as we are 000 interviewers; those 30,000-interview- set by your party in 1924? able. We have issued instructions to our ers have got to have someone to inter- There is a greater disruption in agri field force, which is in a formative state at view, at least one other person. That cultural life today than we have ever the moment, that we must look to people who mehns that 60,000 people at the very least had. In my opinion, if this census was would normally not oe available for regular are going to be devoting their time at all necessary in 1925, it is doubly nee jobs and not take people from the normal throughout the period these people are essary in 1945. You say, "Oh, we can labor force under any circumstances, giving employed to counting chickens, pigs, get this information from the chambers first preference to honorably discharged vet horses, and what have you at the very of commerce." If it were a business cen erans who are able to do our work, to mem hour the responsible heads of the war sus, I wonder what your attitude would bers of their families, and the families of men agencies, the head of the War Produc- be? I have never seen anybody oppose still in the services. tion Board, Mr. Krug; the head of pro- one of them. Besides, you do not get There are enough honorably discharged duction for the Navy; Admiral King; the such information as this from a chamber veterans in your district and mine to do head of production for the War Depart- of commerce. Someone said a moment this work. meiit, Under Secretary Patterson; and ago that they never even call for the in The SPEAKER. The time of the gen the head of the Army Service Forces, formation. That may be true. There tleman has expired. General Somervell, have been before us is a great deal of information that some Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak with statements that· they need 300,- men in this House never do ask for and er, I yield the gentleman 4 additional 000 additional workers to produce am- never get. minutes. munition, t ires, and other things criti- Mr.' CASE. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. RANKIN. If this was not worth cally needed now. Yesterday Wes Gal- Mr. RANKIN. I yield to the gentle- anything to the Nation in 1925, why did lagher in a column from the war front man from South Dakota. you start it? I asked the question then. spoke of the shortage of ammunition. Mr. CASE. We threw out some of the What will it be worth? Your leaders at Are we in the face of a situation like censuses proposed for business the other that time took the floor and convinced that going to set up $5,000,000 to take day on a point of order so we did oppose us, and, if I remember correctly, the the time of 60,000 people for the next year it and got rid of it. · bill passed practically unanimously; it and a half or 2 years. Mr. RANKIN. That went out on ·a has passed unanimously ever since, as it As a matter of fact, when this proposi- point of order. The gentleman voted for did last ·year. Now you come along tion came up in the Senate we were told this census last year. All you gentlemen after the department has set up the ma that the Director of the Census said he voted for this law last year. chinery to do this work and attempt to needed $10,000,000. They have had Mr. CASE. We expected the war to be stop it and bring up the war as an ex $600 ,000, and $7,200,000 is to be available over. cuse for stopping a practice that you after the 1st of January. Why do they Mr. RANKJN. No; you did not. You convinced us 20 years ago was in the need another $5,000,000, for a total of knew the election would be over, and interest of the farmers of this Nation. nearly $13,000,000? thought you would carry the House. If If it was to their interest then, it is If it be true that the $7,200,000 can- you put this issue on the low level of doubly to their interest now. not be spent unless they have this $5,- politics, you put yourselves in a mighty I hope the Members will not vote this 000,000 to spend with it, then we had bet- poor position. appropriation down after we have started ter stop now and save not merely the Mr. CASE. The gentleman is putting on the work, and kill a program that you $5,000,000, but the $7,200,000. Whatever this on the plane of politics. · ' started When YOU were in power, and we spend can be better spent a few Mr. RANKIN. Oh, no. I am support- which has been of great benefit to the months later when the war is won. ing it now, just as I did when your party farmers of this Nation. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak- was in power. I think it would be a sad mistake to er, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman Mr. CASE. ·The way in which certain disrupt this program now, because if you from Mississippi [Mr. RANKIN]. J gentlemen defend this from the stand- kill it now it may be the end of it. X 1944 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 96Uf hope that you will vote to sustain this · NAY8-127 Shafer Sumner, Ill. Ward Sheppard Taber Wasielewski item and that this program will be car Allen, Ill. Gillespie Mason Sheridan Tarver Weaver ried on indefinitely. Andersen, Gillie Merrow H. Carl. Goodwin Michener Simpson, Pa. Thomas, N.J. Weiss Mr. JENSEN. Mr. Speaker, will the Anderson, Calif. Graham Miller, conn. ' Slaughter Tibbott Wene gentleman yield? Andresen, Griffiths Miller, Mo. Smith, Maine Torrens West August H. Gross Monkiewicz Smith, Ohio Towe Whelchel, Ga. Mr. RANKIN. I yield to the gentle Auchincloss Gwynne Mundt Smith, Va. Treadway Whitten man from Iowa. Smith, W. Va. Troutman Winstead Barrett Hagen Murray, Wis. Snyder Vincent, Ky. Winter Mr. JENSEN. I think it should be Bates, Mass. Hale Norman Sparkman Vinson, Ga. Wolfepden, Pa. ' made plain, however, that this would not Beall Hall, O'Brien, N.Y. Bennett, Mo. Edwin Arth,.ur O'Hara Stanley Voorhis, Calif. Woodrum, Va. kill the legislation now. Bishop Hall, O'Konski Stefan Vursell Worley Stevenson Wadsworth Zim~erman Mr. RANKIN. What good is the legis Bolton Leonard W. O'Neal Stewart Walter lation if you kill the appropriation to Bradley, Mich. Hancock Phillips Brehm Heidinger Pittenger So the motion was rejected. carry it out? Brown, Ohio Herter Plumley following Mr. JENSEN. You have $7,000,000. Buck Hoffman Ramey The Clerk announced the pairs: Mr. RANKIN. If we are not going to Buffett Holmes, Mass. Reed, Til. Butler Holmes, Wash. Reed, N.Y. On this vote: take the census ·properly, we should not Canfield Horan Robs1on, Ky. take it at all. Carlson. Kans. Jenkins Rockwell Mr. Vinson of Georgia for, with Mr. Ward Case Jensen Rogers, Mass. Johnson against. Mr. JENSEN. If the gentleman will Chenoweth Johnson, Rohrbough Mr. Brooks for, with Mr. Hill against. remember, when the Republicans were Chiperfield Anton J. Schwabe Mr. Hebert for, with Mr. Blackney against. in power I think we took this census for Church Johnson, Scrivner Mr. Curley for, with Mr. Taber against. Clason Calvin D. Short about $2,000,000 and did a wonderful Clevenger Johnson, Ind. Simpson, Til, Mr. Stewart for, with Mr. Angell against. job. Now we are giving you $7,000,000 to Cochran Johnson, Smith, Wis. Mr. Drewry for, with Mr. Vursell against. do it. Cole, Mo. J. Leroy Springer Mr. Barry for, with Mr. McGregor against. Crawford Jones Stearns, N.H. Mr. Gorski for, with Mr. Arnold against. Mr. RANKIN. The argument has been Crosser Judd Stockman Mr. Sheppard for, with Mr. Tibbott against. made here that this is no time to take Cunningham Kean Sundstrom Mr. Gregory for, with Mr. Cole of New York this census. I do not know whether the Curtis Kearney Talbot Day Keefe Talle against. money is sufficient or not. I am not ar Dirksen Kleberg Taylor Mr. Buckley for, with Miss Sumner of Illi- guing that point, but I am alarmed that Disney KnutEOn Vorys, Ohio nois against. you men want to set aside a program that Dondero LaFollette Weichel, Ohio Mr. McGehee for, with Mr. Lewis against. I think has proved very beneficial for Dworshak LeCompte Welch Mr. Heffernan for, with Mr. Stefan against. Ellis LeFevre · Wigglesworth the last 20 years and line up politically on Mr. Madden for, with Mr. Rlzley against. Ellsworth Lemke Willey Mr. Byrne for, with Mr. Wolfenden of the issue. I hope the motion of the chair Engel, Mich. McConnell Wilson Pennsylvania against. man will prevail and that this program Fellows McCowen Wolcott Fuller Maas Wolverton, N.J. Mr. Hendricks for, with Mr. Rees of Kansas will be continued. Gavin Martin; Iowa Woodruff, Mich. against. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak Gilchrist Martin, Mass. Mr. Keogh for, with Mrs. Smith of Maine against. er, I move the previous question. NOT VOTING-203 The previous question was ordered. Mr. Maloney for, with Mr. Ploeser against. Abernethy Fay McCord The SPEAKER. The question is on Mr. Delaney for, with Mr. Reece of Tennes Allen, La. Feighan McGehee see against. the motion offered by the gentleman from Andrews, N.Y. Fenton McGregor Mr. Lesinski f€lr, with Mr. Shafer against. Missouri, to recede and concur in the Angell Fish McKenzie Arends Fitzpatrick McLean Mr. O'Brien of Ill1nols for, with Mr. Powers Senate amendment. Arnold . Flannagan McMillen, Ill. against. The ques.timi was taken; and on a divi Baldwin, N.Y. Ford McMurray Mr. Fay for, with Mr. Rodgers of Pennsyl sion (demanded by Mr. CANNON of Mis Barden Fulmer McWilliams vania against. Barry Furlong Madden souri) there were-ayes 67, noes 107. Mr. Winstead.for, with Mr. Eaton against. Bates, Ky. Gale Maloney Mr. Sparkman for, with Mr. Gamble Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak Bender Gallagher Mansfield, against. er, I demand the yeas and nays. Bennett, Mich. Gamble Mont. Blackney Gearhar1; Marcantonio Mr. Sabath for, with Mr. Halleck against. · The yea~ and nays were ordered. Boren Gerlach Merritt Mr. Pfeifer for, with Mr. Jonkman against. The question was taken; and there Boy kin Gibson Miller, Nebr. Mr. Philbin for, with Mr. Kinzer against. were-yeas, 97, nays 127, not voting 203, Bradley, Pa. Gifford Miller, Pa. Mr. Bulwinkle for, with Mr. Howell against. Brooks Gillette Morrison, La. Mr. Cannon of Florida for, with Mr. Grant as follows: Brumbaugh Gorski Morrison, N. 0. [Roll No. 126] of Indiana against. Buckley Grant, Ind. Mott · .Mr. Zimmerman for, with Mr. Kilburn YEA8-97 Bulwinkle Gregory Mruk Burchill, N.Y. Halleck Murphy against. Anderson, Granger Murray, Tenn. Burdick Harness, Ind. Myers Mr. Dilweg for, with Mr. Hoeven against. N.Mex. Grant, Ala. Norrell Burgin Bartley Newsome Mr. Lane for, with Mr. Elston of Ohio Andrews, Ala. Hare Norton Busbey Hebert O'Brien, Til. against. Baldwin, Md. Harless, Ariz. O'Brien, Mich. Byrne Heffernan O'Toole Mr. Whitten for, with Mr. Kunkel against. Beckworth Harris O'Connor Cannon, Fla. Hendricks Patman ·Bell Hart Outland Capozzoli Hess ' Pfeifer Mr. Kelley for, with Mr. Hartley against. Bland Hays Pace Carrier Hill Philbin Mr. McCord for, with Mr. Winter against. Bloom Hobbs Patton Carson, Ohio Hinshaw Ploeser Mr. Lynch for, with Mr. Elmer against. Bonner Hoch Peterson, Fla. Carter Hoeven Poulson Mr. Wasielewski for, with Mr. Towe against. Brown, Ga. Holifield Peterson, Ga. Celler Hope Powers Mr. Allen of Louisiana for, with Mr. Stev- Bryson Jackson Poage Clark HoweU Pracht, enson against. Priest Burch, Va. Jarman Cole, NY. Hull c. Frederick Mr. Kilday for, with Mr. Miller of Nebraska Camp Johnson, Rabaut Colmer Izac Pratt, cannon, Mo. Luther A. Ramspeck Compton Jeffrey Joseph M. against. Chapman Johnson, Rankin Costello Jennings Price Mr. Smi.th of West Virginia for; with Mr. Coffee Lyndon B. Richards Courtney Johnson, Ward Randolph Smith of Ohio against. Cooley Johnson, Okla. Robertson Curley Jonkman Reece, Tenn. Mr. Kirwan for, with Mr. Harness of In Cooper Kee Rowe Davis Kelley Rees, Kans. · diana against. Cox Kefauver Sadowski Dawson Kennedy Rivers Mr. Courtney tor, with Mr~ · Jennings Cravens Kerr Somers, N.Y. Delaney Keogh Rizley D'Alesandro King Spence against. Dewey Kilburn Robinson, Utah Mr. Merritt for, with Mr. Hess against. Daughton,Va. Lanham Starnes, Ala. Dickstein Kilday Rodgers, Pa. Dtngell Larcade Stigler Dies Kinzer Rolph Mr. O'Toole for, with Mr. Thomas of New nomengeaux Lea Sullivan Kirwan Rooney Jersey against. Daughton, N.C. Ludlow Sumners, Tex. Dilweg Elliott McCormack Thomas, Tex. Douglas Klein Rowan Drewry Kunkel Russell The result of the vote was announced Fernandez McMillan, S. C. Thomason as above recorded. Fisher Mahon Tolan Durham . Lambertson Sa bath Folger Manasco White Eaton Landis Sasscer Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Forand Mansfield, Tex. Whittington Eberharter Lane Satterfield Speaker, I move that the House insist Fulbright Ma-y Wickersham Ellison, Md. Lesinski Sauthoff . upon the· disagreement to the Senate Gathings Mills Wr1ght Elmer Lewis Scanlon Gordon Monroney Elston, Ohio Luce Schitner amendment. .Gossett Murdock Engle, Calif . Lynch Scott ~he motion was agreed to. 9616 CONGRESSIONAL. RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER ·16: The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report Mr. CANNON -of Missouri. Mr. Speak lines has already been provided for by the next amendment in disagreement. er, I move that the House insist upon priorities upon the theory that they are The Clerk read as follows: its disagreement to the Senate amend war food projects. The total estimated Senate amendment No. 39: Page 31, line ment. cost of the Glendive·line is $1,542,000, of 15, insert: The motion was agreed to. which $717,800 have already been ex "Colorado-Big Thompson project, Colorado, The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report pended. This is an irrigation item and it $2,000,000." the next amendment in disagreement. is very important in the production of war The Clerk read as follows: foods and will be important after the war Mr. ·CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Senate amendment No. 42: Page 31, line for general farm production. I there Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from 20, insert: · · fore ask, Mr. Speaker, that the preferen Oklahoma [Mr. JoHNsoN]. "FORT PECK PROJECT, MONT. tial motion be adopted. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Mr. "For an additional amount, fiscal year 1945, Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speaker, I offer the following amendment for construction of the Fort Peck project, ·Speaker, the committee denied this item which I send to the desk. Mont., $400,000, to remain available until ex . for the reason that there did not seem · The Clerk read as follows: pended, and to be expendable as specified to be sufficient emergency to warrant und~r this head in the Interior Department provision for it at this time. It was re Mr. JoHNSON of Oklahoma moves that the Appropriation Act, 1945." House recede from its disagreement to the ferred to the regular committee which amendment of the Senate No. 39, and Mr. CANNE>N of Missouri. Mr. Speak will take up the next Interior Depart agree to the same with an amendment, as er, I move the House insist upon its dis ment appropriation bill early in the next follows: In lieu of the sum named in said agreement to the Senate amendment. session. amendment insert "$1,045,000." Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Speaker, I offer Mr. Speaker, I move the previous Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Mr. a preferential motion which I send to the question. Speaker, I offer the substitute amend desk. The previous question was ordered. ment just sent to the desk. It is a The Clerk read as follows: Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Speaker, a compromise amendment. I offer this Mr. O'CoNNOR of Montana moves to recede parliamentary inquiry. amendment after conferring with the and concur in Senate amendments Nos. 42 The SPEAKER. The gentleman will chairman and other members of the and 43. state it. House conference committee, whom I Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak Mr. O'CONNOR .. There is a motion have been able to contact. As those of er, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman before the House which is preferential in you who are familiar with this item will from Montana [Mr. O'CoNNORJ. character that the House recede and recall there was a Budget estimate for Mr. O!CONNOR. Mr. Speaker; I wisl;l concur in the Senate amendment. That $2,000,000 for ·continuation of construc to address my remarks to Fort Peck, is the motion before the House? tion of the Colorado-Big Thompson which is amendment 42, and also to Hun The SPEAKER. The Chair was in project. Because of the fact that Con gry Horse, which is amendment 43. tending to put that motion. gress had appropriated more than $21,- Mr. Speaker, .the Hungry Horse Dam · The ·question is on the motion offered 000,000 heretofore and that only $18,608,- is located over in the western congres by the gentleman from Montana [Mr. 000 had actually been expended on our sional district which is represented by my O'CONNOR], that tlle House recede and last report, it was my thought when the colleague, the gentleman from Montana concur. conferees met that this would be suffi [Mr. MANSFIELD] who is in China upon a The motion was rejected. cient-to continue the project until funds mission for the President of the United The SPEAK-ER. The question is now could be provided in the regular bill. States; so he is unable to be here to de on the motion offered by the gentleman But this, I am told, is not the case-that fend this item. This item, Mr. Speaker, from Missouri [Mr. CANNON]. there is urgent need for funds to com grows out of an act cf Congress which The motion was agreed to. plete and line the Alva B. Adams ·tun was passed in May 1944, authorizing the The SPEAKER. The Clerk will re nel. I am sure it is not the disposition construction ·of the Hungry Horse Dam. port the next amendment in disagree of any Member. of this House to stop The Bureau of the Budget has approved ment. work on this important project on which the item of $50,000 tu make the necessary The Clerk read as follows: there has already been spent over $18, provision to bring about the construction Amendment No. 43: Page 32, line 11, insert ooo;ooo. It would, therefore, not be in of the dam. The Bureau of Reclamation the following: the interest of economy to refuse to make has asked the committee for this amount sufficient funds to continue construction in order to make the survey. This would "HUNGRY HORSE PROJECT, MONTANA work until the tunnel is completed. be a post-war program and the survey "For work preliminary to construction of Hungry Horse project, Montana, as author Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak must be made before anything else can be ized by section 1 of the act of June 5, 1944 er, I move the previous question. done toward the building of the dam. I (Public Law 329), fiscal year 1945, to remain The previous question was ordered. ask therefore, Mr. Speaker, that the pref available until expended, $50,000." The SPEAKER. The question is on erential motion be adopted for the rea son that it has the support of the Bureau Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. the motion of the gentleman from Okla of the Budget and likewise the Bureau Speaker, I move that the House insist on homa. of Reclamation. As I understand, there its disagreement to the Senate amend The motion was agreed to. is no disposition arr:ong the members of ment. · The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report the committee not to allow it but they did I yield 5 minutes to the g(mtleman the next amendment in disagreement. not think the emergency existed at this from Montana [Mr. O'CoNNOR]. The Clerk read as follows: time. Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Speaker, I have Senate amendment No. 40: Page 31, line As to the Fort Peck item, it is an item already discussed in connection with my 16, insert "Colorado River project, Texas, of $400,000 for the purpose of construct preferential motion the Hungry Horse $126,000." ing two power lines from the Fort Peck project. I hope the House will not vote Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak power system. One of these lines would for the motion made by the distinguished go to Glendive, Mont., and furnish power chairman of the Appropriations Com er, I move that the House insist upon its for the lifting of water to irrigate small mittee for the reason that we need this disagreement to the Senate amendment. irrigation projects. The other line would money to make the survey so that we The motion was agreed to. go to Williston, N.Dak., for the same pur can make plans for the construction of The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report pose. The Glendive power line is under this dam which was authorized by the the next amendment in disagreement. construction at the present time to serve Congress in May 1944. The Clerk read as follows: irrigation and pumping for these proj Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak Senate amendment No. 41 :· , Page 31, line ects. They have been constructed during er, the situation here is a iittle more 17, strike out "$1,900,000" and insert "$2,- the emergency as war food projects. The urgent than on the l~st item because 000,000." material for the construction of these this is an entirely new project.- Nothing r - 1944 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9617 has been done on it. This. is a proposal for the Solid Fuels Administration for War war exceed the entire annual Budget of to initiate an extensive dam and irriga and the Fish and Wildlife Service." a few years ago. With the coming of tion proposition. In view of the fact it The SPEAKER. The question is on peace, we will ·be confronted with the is a new plan, it seemed to us imperative the motion offered by the gentleman necessity of annual outlays for: that the matter be referred· to the regu from Missouri. Public debt retirement. lar committee which will have time The _motion was agreed to. Interest on the public debt. to investigate it more thoroughly than The SPEAKER. The Clerk will report Defense establishments of largely en· was po~s i b l e -- in the limited time avail the next amendment in disagreement. hanced proportions. able for the hurried formulation of this The Clerk read a3 follows: Unprecedented veterans' benefits. bill. Amendment No. 126: Page 86, line 5, strike Greatly expanded merchant marine. Mr. Speaker, I move the previous ques out the figure "401'' and insert "405." Other governmental expenses out of tion. all proportion to the former peacetime The previous question was ordered. Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak status. The SPEAKER. The question is on er, I move that the House recede and In the aggregate, th~y will impose a the motion offered by the gentleman concur in the Senate amendment. staggering annual draft on the Federal from Missouri [Mr. CANNON]. Mr. Speaker, this bill concludes the Treasury. These irreducible expendi The motion was agreed to. appropriation program for the Seventy tures wil~ coincide with rapidly falling The SPEAKER. The Clerk will re eighth Congress. Preparation has al national revenues and a mounting de port the next amendment in disagree ready begun on the supply bills for mand for reduction in taxes. Mr. ment. 1944-45 and we expect to report the Speaker, the United States Government The Clerk read as follows: first early in January. The program of pays its debts. There can be no repudia the committee calls for final disposition tion. The alternative is a drastic re Amendment No. 125: On page 86, line 1::J, of all departmental supply bills in time • insert the following: duction of expenditures. The criterion "SEC. 404. That during the fiscal year 1945 for an early adjournment next year. by which we have too often judged pro there shall be available for expenditure or The departments are now formulating, posed expenditures-that the money will obligation for long-distance telephone tolls and the Bureau of the Budget is now be well in vested and well administered and for telegrams and cablegrams by the De processing the Budget estimates for the must be discarded for the one standard partment of Agriculture, the Department of coming session of Congress. May I call of stark necessity. May I invite the at Commerce, the Department of the Interior, the attention of the Members of the the Department of Justice, the Department tention and cooperation of all Members of Labor, the Treasury Department, and tne House to the fact that in the drafting of of the Seventy-ninth Congress to the Post Office Department not to exceed 90 per the supply bills for the coming year vre urgent necessity of a program of Spartan cent in the case of each of said departments are faced with the greatest necessity for economy. I trust there will develop dur of the amounts included for such .purpose 1n retrenchment which has ever con ing the holidays a unanimity of concern the Budget estimates for the fiscal year 1945 fronted the committee in the history of for the financial integrity of the Govern under the schedules in the Budget under the the American Congress. In order to meet ment that will bear abundant fruit in heading "Communication services": Provided unemployment conditions, during the the approaching session of the new Con further, That the savings hereby effected in period immediately preceding the war, the items for long-distance telephone tons gress. and for telegrams and cablegrams for each and in order to finance national defense, Mr. REED of New York. Mr. Speaker, of the said departments shall not be diverted during the war, we have spent unprece will the gentleman yield? to other use but shall be covered into the dented sums, and as a result the_re has Mr. CANNON of Missouri. I yield to Treasury as miscellaneous receipts: Provided developed in the country and in the Con the gentleman from New York. further, That section 8 of the Interior De gress, and especially in the departments, Mr. REED of New York. I just want partment Appropriation Act, 1945, is hereby a spending psychology dangerous to to call the attention of the gentleman repealed." national fiscal stability~ from Missouri, the chairman of the Com Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. The public debt today is in excess of mittee on Appropriations, to the fact Speaker, I move that the House recede $210,000,000,000. The predicted total at that according to the estimate of the from its disagreement to the Senate the end of the fiscal year is in excess of Budget made August 1, 1944, the national amendment and concur with an amend $251,000,000,000. The interest on the debt on July 30, 1945, will be $251,334,- ment which I send to the Clerk's desk. public debt alone will at the close of the 000,000 as shown by these tables: · The Clerk read as follows: Mr. CANNON of Missouri moves the House Effect of fiscal operations on the public debt, actual tor fiscal years 1940-44, and estimated recede from its disagreement to the Senate for fiscql year 1945 amendment and concur with an amendment [In mill ions of dollar») as follows: In lieu of the ma.tter inserted by said amendment, insert the following: Fiscal years ending June 30- "SEc. 404. That during the fiscal year 1945 there shall be availabie for expenditure or - obligation for long-distance telephone tolls 1945 based on and for telegrams and cablegrams by the De Budget partment of Agriculture, the Department of 1940 1941 Hl42 Jg43 Jg44 estimates Commerce, the Department of Justice, the of Au!!. Department of Labor, the Treasury Depart 1, 1g44 ment, and the Post Office Department not to ------exceed 90 ~r cent in the case of each of said Direct public debt at beginning of year __ ------40,440 12,968 48,961 72,422 136,696 201,003 departments of the amounts included for ------.. Net increase in direct public debt during year: such purposes in the Budget estimates for General and special accounts, excess of !'Xpenditures the fiscal 'year 1945 under the schedules in over rec e ipt~. includi~ p,uhlic debt retirements _____ 3, 740 5,168 19, 692 55,901 49, 595 . li2, 741 the Budget under the heading "Communica Governmenttnres ______corporations______W!d agencie!'____ "-----, net ______expendi- tion services": Provided, That the savings -34 217 3, 625 2,194 4, 403 2,075 Trust account~, excess of receipts over expenditures ___ -102 - 68 -119 -333 - 352 -33 hereby effected in the items for long-distance Statutory public debt retirements ______-129 -64 -95 -:1 ------telephone tolls and for telegrams and cable Change in Treasury balance ______- 947 +742 +358 +6, 515 +10, 662 - 4,500 grams for each of the said Departments shall ------Net increase in direct public debt ••• ------2, 528 5, 994 23,461 64,274 64, 307 liO, 283 not be diverted to other use but shall be ------. covered into the Treasury as miscellaneous Public debt at end of year ______42,968 48, 961 72,422 136, 696 201,003 251, 286 receipts: Provided further, That the amounts Guaranteep obligations not owned by the Treasury· 5, 529 6, 370 4, 568 4,100 1, 623 48 named in section 8 of the Interior Depart outstanding at end of year.------·------ment Appropriation Act, 1945, are hereby in Total public debt and guaranteed obligations --- creased by $17,345 and $19,242, respectively, outstanding at end of year •• ------48,496 55, 332 76,991 140, 796 202, 626 251 , 334 such additional amounts to be available ex clusively for the objects for which provided NoTE,-Figures are rounded and will not necessarily add to totals. 9618 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECEMBER 16 · U.S. Government debt outstanding actual on June 30, 1940-44, and estimated. June 30. are deep and they are abiding. So we 1945 ought to take time out from this rather [In millions of dollars] hasty business in the closing hours of the session and pay our testimony to those June 30, June 30, June 30, June 30, June 30, June 30, 19451 who will not be with us in the next 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 (esti Congress. mated) I used to fuss a good deal with. my old ------1---·------friend, JIM FITZPATRICK, and I think it Direct debt: Interest-bearing debt: I was a measure of my affection for him Marketable public Issues •• _-···---··--·---- 34, 436 37,713 50, 573 95, 310 140,401 -···--···· because we disagreed so freely, but he is Nonmarketable public issues...... ------3,166 4, 555 13,510 29,200 44,855 ------really a great fellow. He fought with Total public issues------37,602 42, 267 64,083 124,509 185,256 ------such vigor and enthusiasm for that Special issues.------~ ~ ~ ~ ~ .:.:.:=:.:.:.: which he esteemed to be right. We shall Total interest-bearing debt. ___ ------42, 376 48, 387 71,968 135, 380 199, 543 ------miss his zeal, his devotion to duty, his Matureddebtanddebtbearingnointerest...... 591 574 454 1,316 1,460 ------charm, his warm personality. Total direct debt •• ------42,968 48,961 72,422 136,696 201,003 251,286 I served with ELMER WENE when he was ======a membe of th~ Agricultural Appropria Securit ies fully guaranteed by the United States: tions Subcommittee. There was a g:ua lnterest•bearing: . , . 1, 190 ____ .:: ___ _ Marketable public issues . .. _------5, 498 6, 360. 4, 549 3, 908 ciousness and charm . about him which Nonmarketable public issues ••••••••••••••. ------183 326 ------made bini a great member. . It was a Total public issues ••••• -.---·------5, 498 6,360 4, 549 4,092 1, 516 ------pleasure to work with him. He is one of l\1atured .••• ------__ ------31 11 20 8 107 ------the largest poultry producers in the Na Total fully guaranteed securities______5, 529 6, 370 4, 568 4,100 1, 623 48 tion and brought to his task a wealth of .expert authority and data. His depar Total dire~t debt and guarailtcedsccuritics •••• ~ ~~~ ~ ~ 25f.334 ture from Congress is a distinct loss to this body and to the Nation.· . 1 Based upon revised Budget estimates of Aug. 1, 1!::44. Then there was JoE STARNES. I have NOTE.-Figures arc rounded and will not necessarily add to totals. a deep affection for JOE STARNES, as for Mr. CANNON . of Missouri. Mr. States especially interested in the pro my Old colleague, BILL LAMBERTSON, of ·speaker, in closing. our program. for the · duction of poultry. On that account he 'Kansas. Say what you like,· in the 16 :year, I regret to report that the Com was in a position to render exceptional , .yea.I;'S that BILL LAMBERTSON was here he mittee on Appropriations- will lose 5 • service in our consideration of the Agri- , ·made a great contribution to this coun, members. That is a comparatively small cultural appropriation bill and kindred -try. I doubt whether moral courage loss out of a committee of 43 members, .farm legislation. He left the House vol ever rose -to higher levels than it did in but unfortunately every one of the 5 are untarily to enter the lists for the Senate, BILL LAMBERTSON, WhO stood religiously key men and m{m who 'cannot easily be and was honored with the notable dis for the things that were principle to him dispensed with. Three are on the ma tinction of being nominated by his party and which he would not sacrifice under jority and one on the minority side; the as its candidate for United States Sena any . circumstances. He uttered freely gentleman from New York [Mr. FITz tor. the things that were in his heart and PATRICK], the gentleman from Alabama The gentleman from Kansas [Mr. mind, and we shall treasure a recollec [Mr. STARNES], and the gentleman from LAMBERTSON] was also a member of the tion of him as a truly ·great American, New Jersey [Mr. WENE], from the ma Subcommittee· on Agricultural Appro unafraid and undaunted. jority;· and the gentleman from Kansas priations and rendered invaluable serv Finally, there is our old friend AL [Mr. LAMB~RTSON], and the gentleman ice. I do not be1ieve I have ever seen a CARTER sitting over here. Al, this is from California [Mr. CARTER], from the man leave the .House with more personal pretty personal, as we say good-bye to minority. regret than Mr. LAMBERTSON. He is the you as you go out to California. I will The gentleman from New York [Mr. only Member with whom it was my · miss, of course; that rich fellowship of FITZPATRICK] leaves us of his own free privilege to serve on· two subcommittees 1 · yours. will and accord. It is his choice but that' and I invariably found him an alert and' . When I noted how~ long you had been does not mitigate our regret at his loss. able champion of all farm interests. He I-.ere, I became rather intrigued with I think there has been no Member of will be greatly missed on the committee, those who must have -been your asso the House who in recent years has so · and, especially in the consideration of all ciates ~n those early days and who are endeared himself to the membership in agricultural measures. no longer here. I notice that you came general, and whose departure from the The gentleman from California -[Mr. here·in 1925. That was the Sixty-ninth House is so regretted as that of the genial CARTER] leaves the House at the summit Congress. That means you have served gentleman from New York [Mr. Fitz of his usefulitess·. He served on the De here for 20 years. So I went back and PATRICK]. partment of the Interior Subcommittee looked in the Congressional Directory The gentleman from Alabama [Mr. and on the Subcommittee on the Depart and saw who was here in that period. STARNES] has had probably as important ments of State, Commerce, and Justice When AL CARTER came to Congress in a part in the formulation of the War Appropriations and exercised a com 1925 there were only 13 in the California Department appropriation bills as any manding influence in the formulation of delegation. There are 23 today. Only Member of the House in this Congress the wartime measures for the support 4:0 Members will be left who came with or any preceding Congress. The Nation and maintenance of these important de AL CARTER in the Sixty-ninth Congress. is deeply indebted to him. It will be partments of the Government. His loss There are 43 at the moment, but Rep hard to fill his place. His loss is a mis will be greatly felt en both ~ubcommit resentatives FISH, TREADWAY, and FUL fortune to the committee and the coun tees. MER Will not be here. So he is 1 of 40 out try-and I want to express the regret of Mr. Speaker, we regret to see _these of 425 who came in 1925, who has been the committee and of the subcommittee Members leave us. They take with them with us and with whom we have enjoyed that he is not to be with us in the next our warmest friendship and our deepest a stimulating friendship and -gracious session. appreciation of a long and happy asso fellowship. The gentleman from New Jersey [Mr. ciation. We wish them God's blessing It is interesting to see who was in tbe WENEJ was especially valuable as a mem and Godspeed. Senate when AL CARTER came here. ber of the subcommittee on the Depart Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the Oscar Underwood, of Alabama; Tom ' ment of Agriculture appropriation bill. gentleman from Illinois [Mr. D;mKSENJ. ·walsh, of Montana; Senator La Follette, He was closely identified with both in- Mr. DIRKSEN. Mr. Speaker, in the the senior La Follette, from Wisconsin: . dustry and agriculture and had occupied burly-burly of a sine die adjournment Senator Glass, of Virginia; Senator positions as an official or as a member of we are apt· to forget those associations Borah; -Senator. Deneen, of my home the board of directors of practically every that have been made over a long period State of Illinois; Senator Jim Watson, agricultural association in the United of time. I think they are rich and they who still enjoys rugged health and w~om 1944 CONGR-ESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 9619 we see around the Nation's Capital now Mr. PLUMLEY . . Mr. Speaker, I re earnest, intelligent, and intensely patri and then; Senator Cummins, who was a member upon an occasion at which I otic. The gentleman from California great war horse from the State of Iowa; was solicited to speak as a guest telling IMr. CARTER], and the gentleman from Senator Curtis, from Kansas; Senator the people of New Hampshire, then as Kansas [Mr. LAMBERTSON] have been Reed, of Missouri; Senator Harrison, of sembled in some number, when they had members of the full committee during Mississippi; Senator Moses, of New lately defeated their distinguished Sen the entire period of my membership on Hampshire; Senator Wadsworth, who ator, George H. Moses, for reelection, the Committee on Appropriations. They is a Member of this body today; Sen that if Vermont had had a man eligible have been my seniors and my superiors ator Cole Blease, of South Carolina; and to serve as President pro tempore of the and I have been glad to look up to-them. Senator Smoot, of Utah. Those men ·Senate and as one of the three to control My acquaintance with them has been were shining in the Senate when AL all Senate committee appointments, w~ not merely one of association and of CARTER came here as a Member of the in Vermont would have been smart working together, but one of personal House, and each of them left an en enough, irrespective of partisanship, to friendship. I have appreciated their during impress upon the affairs of the have kept Vermont at the helm. · They counsel and their help in many ways. Nation. agreed, but did not like it. These men, Mr. Speaker, have given the In the House in the Sixty-ninth Con Something of the same sentiment in House of Representatives and the coun gress-and I hope you will correct me, AL# fluences me today with respect to the try true service. We shall miss them in if I am in error-were ToM CONNALLY, fact that "AL" CARTER and "BILL" LAM the Seventy-ninth Congress and hope present chairman of the Foreign Rela BERTSON will not be here sitting on the they return to join us-but whether they tions Committee of the Senate, who was Appropriations Committee next session, do or not, we shall treasure the memories a Member of the House at that time; much as we need them. of our association here and wish them R. Walton Moore, who later became So Both of these men were and are rec well wherever they may be. licitor of the State Department, came ognized as authorities generally, coun Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak here with you. Victor Berger, the emi try-wide, and especially w-ith respect to er, I yield-5 minutes to our beloved col nent Socialist, of Milwaukee, came to particular matters coming before the league the distinguished gentleman from that same Congress with you. There was Appropriations Committee with regard California [Mr. CARTER]. .Charles A. Christopherson, of South Da to which they had made special studies Mr. CARTER. Mr. Speaker, and my kota, with whom I enjoyed a visit while and relative to which they had qualified colleagues of the House of Representa I was campaigning out in Sioux Falls as experts. tives, I thank you for your cordial greet sometime early last winter. There was We shall sorely miss their advice and ing. I thank my colleagues for the kind JOHN HOLLIS BANKHEAD, now in the counsel at a time when need therefor ly and generous remarks they have made Senate. never was nor will be more pressing. It in regard to me this afternoon. To the There was CARL HAYDEN, also in the will be very difficult to find men to fill gentleman from Missouri [Mr. CANNON], Senate, with whom we were in confer- · their places. The country and the Con chairman of the powerful Appropriations ence on the Senate side on this bill. He gress and their const•.tuents are losers by Committee, I say, I thank you most sin was a Member of the House when AL CAR reason of thetr departure. ·cerely. I have served nearly 20 years TER came here. There was Charles B. It takes a long time for a man to in this House. As was pointed out by the Timberlake, of Colorado and our es acquire such genuine leadership as both distinguished and able gentleman from teemed friend Ed Taylor, of Colorado, of these gentlemen have attained in this Dlinois [Mr. DIRKSEN], many men who the late and lamented chairman of the House__:leadership based and built on were in this House at the time I came Committee on Appropriations; Charles character, knowledge, and experience, here have played prominent parts and . R. Crisp, the eminent Parliamentarian, plus the confidence of the membership are playing very prominent parts in the of Georgia; Fred Britten, of Illinois; Will justified thereby over the years. Too history of this country. He enumerated .Wood, of Indiana; Gilbert H. Haugen, of many people do not realize what they a number of them. I remember sitting Iowa. There was William C. Ramseyer, personally sacrifice when they deliber over here on the Republican side soon of Iowa, to whom we pay testimony every ately, pugnaciously defeat such men, after I arrived here, and one of the first time we invoke the Ramseyer rule. outstanding representatives of the people speeches that I listened to was delivered There was Senator BARKLEY, as I re- as these men are. by Mr. Ogden Mills, on a tax bill. Mr. . member, who was a Member of the House They are both men who by reason of Ogden Mills afterward was Secretary of when you came here in 1925. There was service rendered have won and will retain the Treasury. So, I am saying that right · also WALLACE WHITE, who serves as acting the admiration, affection, respect, and here in this body now are many of those minority leader of the Senate, and Rep regard of all of us who know and are who will occupy other important posi resentative Snell, of New York. There indebted to them for advice-so well and tions than the one they are occupying was Lo~gworth, of Ohio, and Vare, of generously .. given over the years of our now, in the days to come, and this coun Pennsylvania. Cordell Hull was here, as association together-as we regretfully try will be better served by reason of I remember, when AL CARTER came to the say, "Until we meet again," wish them their experience here. House of Representatives. well, and look for their early return to Mr. Speaker, for your uniform courtesy Twenty years is a long and fruitful these legislative halls for new and con and fairness you have my everlasting service with men who have made such a tinued endeavor by them in the interest gratitude and friendship. For all of the great contribution, not only to the leg of all the people they have served so Members of this House I have the most islative history of this country but to its well. Aloha. profound respect . and admiration. I progress and to its contentment and to Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. have worked on committees with many its capacity for getting things done, Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gen of you. The average person has an idea which makes this the greatest coun~ry tleman from South Dakota [Mr. CASE]. of the many duties, the long hours of on the face of the earth. AI, you have Mr. CASE. Mr. Speaker, I do not in work, and the devotion to duty of the had a great ahd rich experience. Par tend to use the 5 minutes at this time, membership of this House. don the familiarity, I do not know how but I do wish to place my own testimony Within a few days I will no longer be to address you in any other way because in the RECORD as to the service of these a Member of this body. One of the first we have been so long associated on the men. The gentleman from Alabama things that I propose to do as a private 1 Committee on Appropriations. God [Mr. STARNES] and I have served on the citizen and a taxpayer is to advocate an · speed wherever you may go. I hope you same subcommittees, those for the War increase in salary of Members of Con will enjoy full vigor for .many years arid Department, and the Independent Om gress from $10,000 to $12,500 per annum. that you can come back again and that ces during practically the entire period The last congressional salary increase ' we . might again enjoy that fellowship of my service on the Committee on Ap was made in 1924. It is time for another . which has meant so much to us. Good propriations. It has been unsual that one and I propose to do everything I bye, old chap. we had the same subcommittee assign can to see that the Members of this ·Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. ments, but it has given me an oppor House get this well-deserved increase in Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gen tunity to know and appreciate the qual salary. I have enjoyed my work here tleman from Vermont [Mr. PLUMLEY]. ities of JoE STARNES. I have found him · in this House and will go forth carrying 9620 ·coNGR-ESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE DECElVIBER 16 many fond and pleasant recollections of several able and distinguished Members During the past 2 years he has occupied the associations here. whose presence will be sorely missed are the position of ranking Republican mem Mr. Speaker, during my member the five members of the Committee on ber on the Interior Department Subcom ship in this House I have noticed cer Appropriations mentioned by the distin mittee. I am glad to say that we have tain tendencies, one in particular I desire guished chairman a few moments ago. worked together in harmony and, re to refer here this afternoon. This Gov Of those five members it has been my gardless of party affiliation, have been ernment is founded upon the principle privilege to be especially closely associ able to report measures in which we were that there be three independent ated with two of them for the reason in complete accord. His steadying in branches, the legislative, the judicial, that they served on one of the subcom fluence and the vast store of information and the executive. I am one who be mittees with me. I refer to the gentle which he had on matters relating to the lieves that the future safety of this Gov man from New York [Mr. FITZPATRICK] West will be sorely missed. We all wish ernment depends upon these three and the gentleman from California [Mr. him every success in any activity he may branches functioning absolutely free CARTER]. neither of whom Will be a Mem undertake in the future. and independent of each other. I be ber of the next Congress. Mr. DWORSHAK. Mr. Sp3aker, I also lieve, though, during my time here I It is a pleasure and a privilege to have desire to add a brief tribute to my col have detected a growing tendency on the this opportunity to say a few words in leagues who will sever their connections part of the executive-not only the appreciation of the valuable services ren with the Committee on Appropriations President and perhaps not to the greatest dered his State and country by the gen at the end of this session. During the degree the President, but the executive tleman from New York [Mr. FITZPAT past two years I have enjoyed my asso cepartments, cabinet officers and oth RICK]. He has been a Member of the ciations with them, and have observed erE-endeavoring to e::ert more and more House for 9 consecutive terms, beginning how conscientiously and efficiently they influence here on Capitol Hill; endeavor .. his service on March 4, 1927, which, inci have discharged their duties. The gentle -ing to change a bill; endeavoring to kill dentally, is the date I began my service man from California [Mr. CARTER] has a bill. There have been bills pending in the House. As a member of the served for many years on the subcom -here the past few days with regard to Appropriations Committee and chair mittee which has handled appropriations which certain . executive officers have man of the Subcommittee on Interior for the Interior Department, and in this been phoning attempting to influence the Department Appropriations, it has been capacity has shown an understanding of ·legislation this way or that according to ·my good fortune to have served with the western problems which has earned him their own ideas, instead of letting the gentleman from New York during con the gratitude of those who reside in the legislative body do its job.and attending sideration of the last eight Interior De public lands States. It is my sincere wish to their own business. There are cer partment appropriation bills. During that these colleagues will retain happy tain criminal statutes in regard to ac the long and arduous hearings on those recollections of their service in this bodYt tioRs of this kind. I do not know that bills I learned to admire and respect him, . and that they will derive much satisfac . what has been done actually amounts to not only for his ability, but because of -tion from the work they have accom violations. or not, but they. are certainly his fairness and the friendly manner plished in· these years . . violations of the spirit of the law. So which he displayed in his- dealings with · Mi. WIGGLESWORTH. Mr. Speaker; I say to you here this . afternoon, that other members of the committee and the may I add a brief word in respect to while I am severing my association with · witnesses who appeared before our members of the Appropriations Com-. this body-to be sure I wanted to come committee. mittee who will no longer be with us back, I wanted to continue my service His retirement from the House is en ·il1 the next session of Congress. here, but I am going out-I admonish tirely voluntary. I understand that The loss of Congressman CARTER is a this great legislative body to resent and · many influential friends in his district great loss to the Congress and to the repel intermeddling by the executive wanted him to remain in the House. country. He has demonstrated not only branch or other outside influences. With Only recently he celebrated his seventy great ability but has a continuous serv as much to do as there is in this coun fifth birthday. Despite his advanced ice in the Congress of 20 years, which try now, I hope to find some place where years, he attended our meetings regularly I can make some substantial contribu is a tremendous asset from the stand tion to the war effort. Whether I re and is a tireless worker. Personally, I point of those he represents directly as turn to this Chamber again, as was so believe that our good friend from New well as the country as a whole. I am con graciously suggested this afternoon, let York has earned and deserves a real rest fident that his many friends on the Dem me say that I wish for each and every and vacation from all the arduous duties, ocratic side of the aisle were as amazed one of you the very best of everything. wl1ich have been increased tremendously by his defeat as were those on the Re due to the war, and I know I am ex publican side. If the thousands of new Wherever you go, wherever you be, pressing the sentiments of all his col voters in his congressional district had May the peace of Allah abide with thee. leagues on the Appropriations Commit appreciated his position and influence in Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. Speak tee when I say that he leaves assured of the Congress, it is difficult to believe that er, I ask unanimous consent that mem the deep respect and affection of every he would not have been chosen once bers of the Committee on Appropriations one of us. again to continue his fine service in the may be allowed to extend their remarks I also mentioned the gentleman from House. in the RECORD at this point. California [Mr. CARTER], whose service in I have served for many years with The SPEAKER. Is there objection to this body began on March 4, 1925, and Congressman LAMBERTSON on two of the the request of the gentleman from Mis- · who is completing his tenth consecutive subcommittees of the Committee on Ap souri? term. He and I have served together on propriations. No Member of the House There was no objection. the Interior Department Subcommittee has voted more consistently for economy Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Mr. during consideration of the last seven and retrenchment in Government ex Speaker, to me it i[; always with deep appropriation bills. Due to his long resi penditure than he. If others had had regret that any faithful and experienced dence in the western part of the United his point of view and his deterplination public servant should retire from Con States he has been particularly well in this connection, the country would gress, either voluntarily or otherwise. qualified to take an active and influential As we approach the end of the Seventy part in the proceedings of our subcom not now be faced by the frightful conse eighth Congress, after having been in mittee, which considers appropriations quences of reckless extravagance and session practically the entire year, and for many activities of vital importance waste under the present administration one of the most active and hard-working to the people. of the Far West. Before in recent years. Congresses of which I have been a Mem coming to the Appropriations Commit I have served for several years with ber, it is with a feeling of deep regret tee, Mr. CARTER had served on other im Congressman FITZPATRICK on the sub that many Members with whom we have portant committees of the House, in committee on Appropriations for the in labored during this Congress and some cluding the Rivers and Harbors Commit dependent offices. I am sorry that he is of them during many other Congresses, tee, and he has been responsible for the leaving us voluntarily. Though differ will not return to us in the new Congress enactment of important legislation of ing often with him on political questionst that convenes on January 3. Among the great benefit to the people of his State. I have for him a genuine affection. 1944 CONGRESSIONAL. RECORD-HOUSE 9621' I have also served with Congressman of tributes to retiring members of the adjournment of a Congress, deliver to the STARNEs for several years on the same Committee on Appropriations. · Clerk of the House all bills, joint resolutions, subcommittee. He has shown great abil petitions, and other papers referred to the Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. Mr. committee, together with all evidence taken ity and real independence of thought Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry-. by such committee under the order of the and action. He has placed the interests The · SPEAKER. The · gentlewoman House; and in the event of the failure or of his country above partisan considera will ·state it. neglect of any clerk of a committee to comply tions as his friends on both sides of the Mrs. ROGERS of Massachusetts. with this rule the Clerk of the House shall, aisle will testify. Would the general request submitted by within 3 days thereafter, take into his keep .. All these colleagues, Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman from Missouri permit me ing all such papers and testimony. be greatly missed as a personal matter to include a letter from the Veterans Ad The Chair would hold that under the by their coworkers, both Republican and· ministration dealing with their program rule just read the documents of the so-· Democratic, who have served with them for the rehabilitation of wounded vet called Dies committee are in the control in connection with the great problems erans? of that committee and the House until 3 confronting the Appropriations Com The SPEAKER. It would not. Gen ~ays after the 3d day of January next. mittee in these terrible years. eral requests of that nature are limited Mr. MARTIN of Massachusetts. That GENERAL LEAVE TO EXTEND to the bill under consideration; we can would permit the House, if it so desired, not broaden these things. The Chair to make any arrangement that it might Mr. CANNON of Missouri. Mr. will recognize the gentlewoman from Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that make when we return here on January 3? all Members who have spoken on the bill Massachusetts later. The SPEAKER. The gehtleman is today may have 5 legislative days within FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL DEFICIENCY correct, and the Chair will assure the which to extend their remarks on the APPROPRIATION BILL gentleman and the House that nothing bill. The SPEAKER. Without objection, a but that will happen between now and The SPEAKER. Is there objection to motion to reconsider the various votes the 3d of January. the request of the gentleman from Mis by which the motions were agreed to will Mr. MARTIN of Massachusetts. I souri? be laid upon the table. thank the Speaker. There was no objection. There was. no objection. TRANSFER OF CERTAIN PROPERTY FROM The SPEAKER. The question is on RETURN OF ENROLLED BILL 1979, TO THE HOME OWNERS' LOAN CORPORA· the motion of the gentleman from Mis REGULATE IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUM TION souri. BIA THE TRANSFER OF STOCK IN COR Mr. HOLMES of· Massachusetts. ·Mr. The motion was agreed to. PORATIONS Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to Mr. REED of. New York. Mr. Speaker, The SPEAKER laid before the House take from the Speaker's desk the bill a parliamentary inquiry.
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