Friday, July 8, 1977 Asadha 17, 1899 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES

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[June 23 to July 4, 1977/Asadha 2 to 13, 1899 (Saks)]

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Second Session, i*77/i*9J (Saka)

(Vol. I l l contains Nos. 11 to 20)

L O K SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI CONTENTS

N o. 24, Friday, July S, lyjjlAtadha 17, 1899 (Saka)

C olumns Oral Answers to Questions : V ♦Starred Questions Nos. 385 to 388 ' . . 1— 28

Short Notice Question No. 1 4 ...... 28______36

Written Answers to Questions :

Starred Questions Nos. 389 to 4 0 4 ...... 36— 59

Unstarred Questions Nos. 2873 to 2884, 2886 to 2912 and 2914 to 3 0 1 2 ...... 59— 187

Papers laid on the Table ...... 187— 88

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance—

Reported swindling of crores of rupees by exchanging at the Reserve Bank of India mutilated currency notes meant for destroying . 189— 200

Leave o f Absence from the sittings o f the House 200

Personal Explanatio 1 by Minister o f Railways re. alleged use o f Rail­ way stationery l>y a private publishing house .... 199— 202

Demands for Grants, 1977-78—

Ministry o f Industry ...... 202— 270

Shri George F e r n a n d e s ...... 204— j 5

Shri K. P. U n n ik ris h n a n ...... 219— 31

Shri Madhu Limaye ...... 231— 51

Shri K. V e n k a t a r a m a n ...... 251— 61

Shri George Mathew ...... 261— 67

Shri Sushil Kumar Dhara . . . . 267— 70

Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions—

First Report ...... 270— 71 ♦

•The sign + marked above the name o f a Member indicates that the guestion was actually askel on the floor of the House by that Member. Columns

Resolution re. Subversion of Democratic norms by the Former Prime M i n i s t e r ...... 271— 328

Shri Hari Vishnu K am ath ...... 272— 87

Shri Chandrasekhar S i n g h ...... 290— 97

Shri Vasant S a t h e ...... 297— 305

Dr. Subramaniam S w a m y ...... 306— 15

Shri Somnath C h a t t e r j e e ...... 315— 25 LOK SABHA t>EBATES

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LOK SABHA (d) whether the said three posts have now been filled and if sof by whom, when and how?

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question have been le ft out. So, you Mehta was the Acting Chairman of will have to give me a chance to ask the Indian Airlines Corporation, two four, rather than the usual two, posts of Deputy Managing Directors sup^ementaries today; otherwise, it were not filled up; (c) Is it a fact that will je difficult for me to make him another Deputy Managing Director answer my question. along with Mr. Mehta—I believe his name is Mr. Satyamurthy—was not MR. SPEAKER: In the first made a Member of the Board of supplementary, you may have (a), Directors of the Indian Airlines Cor­ (b) and (c), and in the second supple­ poration and, therefore, he went yn mentary also you may have (a), (b) leave and then left, and that was one and (c). I have never objected to way of keeping Mr. Satyamurthy also that. out so that Mr. Kehta could remain on the top? PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: I am glad you have asked me to do that, Sir. 3T|5T t t o o STTST I may say that I have nothing against this or that individual in the U p R 1-8-73 ^ 31-7-76 cPFrfcr Indian Airlines, because they are all *TFT% fiTTT gm 5 12-4-76 competent officers, but I have raised t t if 7^ I ^80 this matter because it relates to the appointment and conduct of senior- *TT *FT I (w m i* ) SUslsrRf most officials who are involved in *t Sft fH 'M qW JpTT cTff STPT ^ I policy-making and whose decisions and implementation affect the entire work­ ^ft T^TT j? 3T? ing of the Indian Airlines. That is Terr ^ i srnr iff e r r *rJ f e z t why, the individual posts are im­ l f ^ * r mVVTT portant. In view of this, may I ask the Minister whether it is a fact 1 % j® for cr^ JT^f^nr that Air Marshal P. C. Lai, when he if was the Chairman of the Indian Air­ lines, was working very efficiently o o IT^f0 ^Vo ^ PrcftcT ^ and competently, and he brought the fe n 5r*T^ft^r nr°M Indian Airlines to great heights; that ^ fkm 1 fr^zr s m ft r he was haunted out during Emergency somewhere around April, 1976 by (tsf j * * fe=zt $ 3ft f% threatening a CBl inquiry against him; f e r irf rrr It ^ i that, when he left, one of the then Deputy Managing Directors, Mr. ^ f^nrr w t , Mehta, was made Chairman for some months and was confirmed for one *TT vft TOT T^ZX S ^ fcT year as an Acting Chairman in November. 1976; and then Mr. Mehta ^SZE\ *TT ?fk VZZ\ *TT *T f t had seen to it that no post of Deputy feTTT ^ I Managing Director was kept filled so that he, 0n his own, could run the whole show according to his likes and PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Th* dictates? If that is so, it is a serious Minister has replied to my original matter. So, my first question is (a) question that an officer from Air whether it is a fact that Mr. Mehta India, by name Mr. K. G. Appusamy, did act as Acting Chairman when Air is acting temporarily as Chairman of Marshal Lai was haunted out from the Indian Airlines Corporation besides April 1976 to November 1976 and from continuing in Air India—and both of November 1976 until Mr. Mehta these are large Corporations. He has resigned; (b) Why is it that when Mr also mentioned that two Deputy 5 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 {SAKA) Oral Answers

Managing Directors’ posts are still ^ T T | T T S I W vacant. I would like to know how long the Government will take m TT* faJTT *TtT Ttf^Teft f a q T * ^ 3TT regard to the filling up of the two *f # dr+W 3RT? Rft ^ HT5TT g I posts of Deputy Managing Directors. Secondly when will the new per­ manent Chairman be installed so that SHRI SONU SINGH PATIL: Will the Indian Airlines can work efficient­ the hon. Minister clarify whether it ly; and, thirdly, is it a fact that while is indispensable to have one incumbent Mr. Mehta was Chairman of the Indian for the post of Chairman and Manag­ Airlines Corporation the Corporation ing Director, Indian Airlines and was placing orders directly with the whether it is proper to appoint one ex-Prime Minister’s younger son's person as Chairman and Managing Maruti Aviation Ltd. and was giving Director, because one deals with certain facilities and advantages to policy and the other with execution? the latter with regard to air-craft hangers etc. Was this done by Mr. Mehta, and, was it because of this kind sft : sre cPT *5“JtftPT of dealings with Maruti Aviation Ltd., f i x 3W t tT^r ^ sn?*ft that he was made Chairman, and that no other Deputy Chairman was ft% «r i *tcttt % | fa appointed so that he alone could do 5TTf^ tt tt** tft r whatever he liked? TO *T FT ?t flfrf!T»T S R - V&T % srTt ir * f t srenr T r i ^ r f ’srsr ? ? t

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: W ffa SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: For the last three months, the administration of *r tit Indian Airlines is in a very deplor­ g ?*rfirSr g«rrc f ?r 1 1 able condition. A lot of indiscipline « has crept in. This is not only in the Mfacft srfgwT Thr^vr : frosft matter of appointment of the Chair­ man in order to control the administra­ % *rnrt sft T w r r f # sfr^rt not drag him again to introduce this anti-labour attitude into the Airlines. *r*Tf *f ' j ’ S'T s? crk In this connection may I know ff fa whether Mr, P. C. Lai is the most anti-labour and procapitalist man in f?rr^r ^ fi*r% the Indian Airlines. Please don’t drag «fV *ffa- frs^r nfrr him again and praise him. Secondly, if 5 *tr ftr^TT | ?rfr ^ r I would like to know if there are many posts of Asst. Managers, Traffic Offi­ t f% cR f qVTT cers, etc., who have been already


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MR.. SPEAKER: Mr. Bhattacharyya. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Mr. Ravi, there comes a progressive Con- SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Sir, he gressman. It is a hold-all party. has not answered the second part of my question. I said' that there are ~T~l~ ctnfliTCfi: ~ ~Cfi ~Cfl1i many posts of Asstt. Managers and CfiT~CfT<1" ~ ~~ ~1m<:~ ~ appointment 'bas been made. Will ;.;m'Rf'Tq W'9<:ur 1f> m illf~t ~'i9 Cfi~rjr you look in it and-see that they are 'it ij'11~qT ~ fCfi~ij' 1f> Cfi~w., 1:fi filled early? '. ~r~" fcfln:T~ ~ I

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SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK: qrwT % ftirj fa m 5 TOT That will be examined. ^ srh TI' SHRI DINESH JOARDER: During q r *rr ^ s i r r the administration of erstwhile Shri P. C. Lai, marshall law ferr qq-r qT ; *rtr was imposed in the Indian Airlines. Many of the benefits that were pre­ ^rfir f t , eft "Wi °m viously enjoyed by the employees— working hours, shift system etc., were 9R f+drir i ? taken away. Some of the employees were even punished by way of trans­ fer. In some cases the pay was W=T •TTHT fiWFR TO* reduced. Will those benefits be i'e- : (^) *rtr (^) . stored at the time of the appointment *nr «fr tts N nhfr ip? f^TR *n?ft % -of the new Chairman? Will this aspect be considered by the Administration **• q T^T ^ft fVi 4)1 £ as well as by the Chairman? fN’Tfa ^Tft *nft I

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DR. KARAN SINGH: Hon. i/Iinis- cft^tf -fartift ( ter spoke of a Common Chairman for Air India and Indian Airlines. Is the P fct nSTT^- 1 T T H ft ^ t ^ hon. Minister aware that the operation Trs fc r ^rreft % f t m f t % of Air India and Indian Airlines is •entirely of a different character. Air ^ T P T ^ India functions in a highly competi­ oJT«rf«TT sft *T!Tt fant tive field. Indian Airlines is more of *r 1 service organisation and virtually is a monopoly organisation. The Head­ ^ w t q r i f & R quarters of Indian Airlines is in Delhi, whereas the Headquarters of Air In­ vit^t §rnr »r^t «r^r f^rr thtt i dia is in Bombay. Before taking a vif^i d*f» 'd'l'fTl gT^TT q?t I decision of a common Chairman, will % fircr TTxq ^<+irf S‘T T all these aspects be taken into consi­ 1 deration? spT g^rr t^rf^r t i t m T f t | c ptt ^t ^ qro ft virrWl, SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK: As I have said, a Committee has been q ^ r t s i t ^ rrW t 1 appointed. The Committee will defi­ nitely examine all the relevant points « f t : w t ^ •which the hon. Ex-Minister has re­ ared to. «f>fT ^ 1% ^Tt TTafW ’TTEft % fil^ ^*li{ 5TW ^eiwr ^ t i t w t f t «ft 1 W iff ^ ^ | fti VjjVJ* T O ^ % ftrq n i grwT % fevrfTzt-vq ^ irRift f^rrf q r f w r *t«tt w % ^T«T ^TRTT «TTf ? ftT ^HTT TR T % * 386 . s ft v r t : w r ^«rf ^rr q^, ^ft $ % ft ^

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(3) Scrutiny of the passenger SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAR­ manifest with a view to spot out DER: Sir, I would like to know undesirable passengers if any. from the hon. Minister about the news item that appeared in the Times o1 (4) Guard over the aircraft to India stating that Shri Rajiv Gandhi, ensure that no unauthorised person when he was on duty and reached gains excess. Bombay, he stayed in the Taj Maha! Hotel with the security. I want to (5) Thorough frisking of the hand know whether this expenditure was baggage and of all passengers (in­ borne by the Indian Airlines or by cluding transit passengers). Shri Rajiv Gandhi himself.

<6) Identification of baggage of passengers near aircraft before «ft vtfvrv : w ^ emplaning. This should be got done 5TTT f+ if) vJ'f+ l with the cooperation of the airline-* oQQ ^TT IHIT I staff.

*ft fftfrvT : ^rr ^ < + r (7) Ensure that precautions re­ garding cargo, newspapers, etc. arc- Tra- ?rrf fcnr taken ^to prevent foul play or mis­ ^ n r ^ ^rtr ^*5 chief. This precaution shoud btf taken with the aksistance of the w r srr ^rr f^Rr Indian Airlines. f%qT w r qr ? 15 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1977 Oral Answers 16

(ao whether Shri H. K. Kalia, Re­ s ft g r o t a * sqnct gional Manager of Allahabad Bank % iff ^n'l (VfH f% W ?r was convicted by the Punjab High q ^ W ’TT | Court on a specific charge;

o q q ^ i *T§ WfNvl jfip ^ 'Jct^ (b) if so, the facts thereof; and m % 5j^> «r, dK^ld ^TPTT TT ^ ^ r r *TT w % ^ (c) the reasons for not taking ac­ 3 tion against him? ^?TPt 5?sn atr<^TT *T$ I THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND «ft JWTTH : % HTVTT % q f TPHT REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI ■a 5 H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). Ac­ ■^l^dl j? f% ftr^T Pi 44 % # T cording to Allahabad Bank, Shri TT^ft ^ ^ <1

*387. SHRI DINESH JOARDER: SHRI DINESH JOARDER: Sir, Will the Minister of FINANCE AND on two occasions, he drew loans for REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas­ house building and deposited that ed to state: amount in the same Branch in a 17 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers ig

fixed deposit account and drew a THE MINISTER OF FINANCE higher rate of interest. He took the AND REVENUE AND BANKING loan at 3.5 per cent interest but by (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (e ). depositing the same in a fixed depo­ A statement is laid on the Table of sit he drew the interest at 9 to 11 the House. per cent. j Statement MR. SPEAKER: I shall not allow this. ‘ You- ' are making a speech The Kohinoor Mills Co Ltd. Bom­ instead of putting the qi^stion. bay has been a client of the Central Bank of India since 1957 and has SHRI DINESH JOARDER: I been extended credit facilities from want to know whether the man of time to time. The mill company his conduct should be kept in the employs about 8,000 workers. Bank Administration whereas a man of conduct in what is required in Since the latter half of 1974, the the administration of the bank. Whe­ company has been experiencing ther this man should be allowed to serious financial difficulties. The continue? (Interruptions). Bank has been trying to nurse it back into health and in the course of MR. SPEAKER: There is no this process, it has also used its question there. So, we take up the position to make important changes next question. in the management. As a result of these changes in management effect­ Loan granted by Central Bank off ed in June, 1976, there has been an India to Kohinoor Mills, Bombay improvement in the financial posi­ tion of the mills. + •388. SHRI OM FRAKASH These facilities have been granted TYAGI by the Bank with the knowledge of, DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ and authorisation by, its Board of DIT. Directors. The position of the ac­ Will the Minister of FINANCE count has also been communicated, AND REVENUE AND BANKING from time to time, to the Reserve be pleased to state: Bank of India for the purpose of cre­ dit authorisation. (a) whether Centra] Bank of India had given a loan of Rs. 25 crores to Certain allegations have however the Kohinoor Mills Company Limit, been made against the Bank in re­ ed, Bombay without the prior sanc­ gard to these facilities to the com­ tion of the Bank’s Board and against pany. Government of India had the rules of the Reserve Bank; requested the Reserve Bank of India to look into the matter. A prelimi­ (b) when was the loan given and nary report has now been received bow muph amount thereof has been from the Reserve Bank of India. ;*3 covered; As regards the details of the ac­ (c) the names of the officers who count in accordance with the prac­ violated the rules; tices and usages customary among bankers and also in conformity with (d) the action taken against the section 13(1) of the Banking Com­ officers guilty of negligence; and panies (Acquisition & Transfer of Undertakings) Act, 197ft any infor­ (e) the steps which are being mation relating to the affairs of taken to realise the amount? constituents is not to be divulged. 39 Oral AnswersJULY 8 , 1977 Oral Answers 20

of, and authorisation by, its Board of Directors. The question of the *T5T 5TPTTT |STr, W t ^ I tTT account has also been communicated f o r Tf 5ppt to Tfft t. from time to time, to the Re­ serve Bank of India for the purpose «i(r»> »rt?r-*ft*r ^Trr ^ 1 f*rrr men4! of credit authorisation.” %ft*nra *r Tft *rr«rr, qsrr srTrr ^ i t tot firqr t ? ?m sttit *r Tfr That means the Reserve Bank hafi ,ft> ^ftf^jr f*T^ 3fr *ft*i %5TT T^T been kept informed. The position is ^Tf Ttr Tt ?TTRfiT % % r Tfr 1 1 ?rnr ?t this account has been going on since 1956. The Kohinoor Mills is a public w t sttit t T f tft t ^t ^— limited company incorporated in 1896 and has three cotton textile manu­ facturing units in Bombay with an “ The position of the account has installed spindle capacity of 1.30 lakh also been communicated, from time and I960 looms. The average turn­ to time, to the Reserve Bank of over of the mill was between 13 and India for the purpose of credit autho­ 16 crores upto 1974. The average la­ risation.” bour force is . 8000 workers. The Kapadia group are in control by hold­ ?Tt*r.T *TfrTT, t Tf srRrrct^TT ing 57 per cent of the share capital ’TlfrTT g fT 90 5Trar WTT TT if T*R directly including shares held through Tt Ki % fTflT I 4 5T^?|TT, badla transactions by Magan Lai Chhagan Lai Pvt. Ltd., the Investment 1977 Tt ft^TT Tt T5T 'JW if Company of Kapadias. The affairs of ^ Tt >rrai 4. 90 t ^ ? ft »rf the mill were satisfactory upto mid 1974 when the mill started incurring *ft i Tts % It t> far* frrr losse5 which progressively increased fr v n $*t Tnrrf % Ttf t ^ i both due to inept management and the 7- 11-1975 Tt far fort tr % general worsening of the fortunes of the textile industry. The year 1974 f^rarff ?t f r t> T *t? ^rrar sft closed with a loss of Rs. 32 lakhs for fr^r t r « t % * ferr sir# i 19 3RT*t, the mill. From January, 1975 to March 1976 % 5 >Tf, 1977 tt 11 T d r 1977, i.e., for the 27 months the mills incurred a loss of Rs. 12.38 crores % fa n 1 which were financed entirely f ’ om in­ crease in bank borrowings. Jt is this %TT 5PR" HT ^ W which seems to be agitating the Hon’ble tir5'fi It vptritt Tt ttT tt forr Members. t t Tt *TTTfr % frrr ^r°r ^tt ^ tt W, ?ft ftSTT TT WflfTT TflT T FT if Losses by a manufacturing unit are reflected in erosion of margins avail­ TT % ^*nTI^ THT l>1 TOT ^ f ll able to banks on current assets and TfT, TT % fr w TRTTTft continued losses result in the current TOT Tft ^?t ? *Tfe Ttf TFTTfft liabilities and even the secured short term loans exceeding the current as­ Tt ^ Tt Tf TOT % ? sets. This is precisely what has SHRI H. M. PATBL: Sir, I will give happened in the case of Kohinoor Mills whatever information I can to satis­ Ltd. The mill maintains a cash fy the hon’ble Member. First, it has credit account with the Central Bank been mentioned in the statement it­ of India. The present account was self: started on December 15. 1976. Upto December 15, 1976 the Mill had a cash “These facilities have been gran­ credit account which showed a total ted by the Bank with the knowledge drawal of Rs. 15.96 crores. From 16th 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers

December 1976 a new account was and it is the view of the Bank that opened. The drawal in the new ac­ since July 1976 the mill is being run count upto 31st May 1977 is Rs. 1.62 by the newly constituted professional crores. Excluding about 1 crore from management. (Interruptions). this on account of certain adjustments the total outstanding is Rs. 16.44 cro­ An HON. MEMBER: It is a state­ res as against the value of stocks less ment. It is not a reply. margin of Rs. 5.89 crores. The account thus shows a deficit as on 31st May SHRI H. M. PATEL: If you kindly 1977 of roughly Rs. 10.5 crores in see the question.. (Interruptions). •current assets. Statement No. I and MR. SPEAKER: First you will have II show the account of Kohinoor Mills to sit down now. Anybody can­ Ltd., with the Central Bank of India. I do not have more figures. If more not get up and shout (Interruptions). If everybody does that will there be figures are required, I can give them. any order in this House? You will have to ask when your chance comes. According to the Bank, it constantly monitored the progressive decline in SHRI H. M. PATEL; The question the condition of Kohinoor Mills from is put in such a form that it makes January 1975 onwards. It sought to bring about management changes to it necessary for me to give a long ex­ planation. The question reads “Whe­ improve the situation. Thus, in Sep­ ther the Central Bank of India had tember 1975 at the instance of the Bank, the term of Shri Neemji Bhai made a loan of Rs. 25 crores to the Kohinoor Mills.” The answer would Kapadia, Managing Director, was not be—if I interpret it strictly—‘No*. But renewed. Soon thereafter the gua­ rantee of Magan Lai Chhagan Lai Pvt. that will not be correct. (Interrup­ tions) . — Limited was obtained. This Company is the investment company of Kapa- dias who were the persons in control MR. SPEAKER; If you are interrupt­ of Kohinoor Mills Ltd., till June 1976L ing like this, you will not get any answer )

In November 1975, the Tata Econo­ SHRI H. M. PATEL: I have already mic Consultancy Services were engag­ said that it is a running account. This ed by the Bank for carrying out a de­ is what I wanted to say. So, there is tailed techno-study of the company. no question of giving a loan of a large sum as Rs. 25 crores at any one point SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Who re­ of time. commended? SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; What is SHRI H. M. PATEL: The Tata Con­ the present outstanding? sultant recommended. The report of SHRI H. M. PATEL; I will tell you. the consultant recommended that lor The present oustanding is Rs. 16.45 retrieval of company’s fortunes a crores. In addition to that there is change in the management was re­ Rs. 3.5 crores on Bills. These are quired. The bank was able to use its self-liquidating. claim over 35 per cent of the share capital as a handle to bring about changes in management because this (Interruptions' holding plus the 15 per cent holding MR. SPEAKER; Mr. Tyagi. Will you by the LIC gave the Central Bank vot­ kindly put your second question? ing control over 50 per cent of the share capital. The Bank was able to pressurise the management into mak­ ing far reaching management changes *rr ^ qfr m m $ i 23 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1977 Oral Answers

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI DR. VASANT KUMAR PANDIT: ); These are contra­ The Finance Minister said that RBI dictory attitudes. When details are authorisation was taken and the Board given, they say full details are not of Directors also were consulted. This given. When they are furnished, they is a half truth, suppressio veri. May I say it is a round-about reply. What know whether around 19th January -is this? I do not know. 1976 the RBI wrote to the Central Bank of India in the following man­ ner:—

t f% 'Tfr^TT % t t “ in respect of your bank’s ap­ plication to us for authorising the additional credit limits, sanctioned by ^ ^ % 2 5 ’Tut the bank in favour of the above com­ % w r o fcnr |tt ^ pany. In this connection, we observe that your bank has already allowed % ^TTUT ^ the authorised credit limits to the % ^lrrTR 2 5 rf^T % ^TJT extent of the company of Rs. 4.75 m | ?ftx fr^r# t t fafsr crores, with your bank to the extent of Rs. 10.10 crores without obtaining qr fafsr ten f ftr fsprr sryifd % our prior authorisation under the ^TT TfT | ?ir+H ^ ^TT 331 Credit Authorisation Scheme. Al­ T?T ? though your bank had adduced cer­ tain reasons for the above, we have to advise that your bank shou!4 SHRI H. M. PATEL: Sir, although avoid such violations of the scheme it does not arise from this question it in future.” is true that Mr. Sudhir Kapadia is believed to have contributed some In view of this, will the hon. minister shares in Maruti. Mr. Sudhir Xapadia tell the House whether proper authori­ is not necessary a person whose repu­ sation as required by the RBI rules tation in these matters has been sa­ was obtained from time to time? Our tisfactory. But there is also another information is that RBI authorisation company in which he has been in­ and taking into confidence the Board volved, which is also causing concern of Directors were done only up to the to us. limit of Rs. 4.75 crores. Thereafter, the borrowings increased tox Rs. 25 (Interruptions) crores and the subsequent borrowings were without proper authorisation of As far as the question of pressure is the RBI and only being ratified by 'the concerned, whether there was any pre- Board of Directors but the order of the sure at that time or not—I cannot gay Board of Directors was not taken. Is because I was not here then. Here was it true? a mill which had 3OO0 workers and It was a very sound concern. A de­ SHRI H. M. PATEL: The hon. mem­ cision was taken to nurse it and re­ ber evidently has access to more reli­ vive it and make it a profitable unit able information than myself. My as it was before. It was with this sources are the RBI and Central Bank. object that the loans were given. I am not *n a position to say whether SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You there was any other pressure or not. should extend your sources of infor­ (Interruptions). I am not defending mation. anything. I am trying to give you the facts as they are known to me. If I SHRI H. M. PATEL; Thank you; I give you facts which you do not like, wiii take your advice. Presumbly you you should not say I am defending are meaning that I should come to you something. for information! 25 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26

The present regulations regarding been taken. So there is no question credit authorisation are that where the of the reaction of the Reserve Bank. aggregate financial assistance from the banking system to a party exceeds SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; But you Rs. 2 crores, credit authorisation from said no formal sanction has been ob­ the Reserve Bank is required. For tained? every subsequent increase, the prior (Interruptions) authorisation of the RBI is necessary. Though the Central Bank has not in SHRI H. M. PATEL: When I have any formal manner obtained any cre­ said that the authorisation has been dit authorisation over and above the taken I mean it has been taken. limit of Rs. 4.75 lakhs it has been keep­ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: ing the Reserve Bank informed of The bon. Minister was pleased to say developments in the account and the that when they exceeded the limit of position of the outstandings therein. Rs. 4.75 crores, they did hold consulta­ There have also been meetings between tions with the officials of the fte*erve the Central Bank officials and the Re­ Bank of India although there was no serve Bank to discuss the whole ques­ proper authorisation. Now, the ques­ tion. We have now asked the Reserve tion is when these consultations took Bank to go into the entire question place with the Reserve Bank of India and to submit a report about the situa­ and their officials, why did not the tion of this account of this textile com­ Reserve Bank take objection to this? pany. The Reserve Bank has not yet Why did they not act against this? been able to complete its investigation. Now, they say that the Reserve Bank But when they complete it, we shall of India would go into the matter. go into the matter. When they were seized of that matter even informally, why did they not SHRI K. MALLANNA; In para 3 of take action in this matter when that the statement it is said: limit was being exceeded? SHRI H. M. pATEL: I can only tell “These facilities have been grant­ the hon. Member that these are pre­ ed by the Bank with the knowledge cisely the questions which I am now of, and authorisation by, its Board asking the Reserve Bank. That is why of Directors. The position of the I have asked them to go into it and account has also been communicat­ give me the explanation. But I must ed from time to time, to the Re­ at this stage, tell you what the position serve Bank of India for the purpose is. of credit authorisation.” SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: There is a clear case of dereliction on The question is whether the Central the part of the Reserve Bank because Bank of India had given a loan of the Reserve Bank of £ndia was kept Rs. 25 crores to the Kohinoor Mills informed by th^ bank concerned. Company Limited Bombay, without the prior sanction of the Bank’s Board SHRI MORARJI DESAI: There are and against the rules of the Reserve seven such complaints. Therefore, the Bank. May I know from the hon. Reserve Bank’s Governor has gone arid Minister whether the sanction of loan a new man has been put in. is in contravention of the rules of the Reserve Bank of India, and what is SHRI VINODBHAI B. SHETH: I the reaction of the Reserve Bank. Would like to ask one question. (In­ terruptions) '

«■ SHRI H. M. PATEL: Sir, I nave al­ MR. SPEAKER; Order now* It is ready replied to this question. The impossible to manage. This laughing authorisation of the Reserve Bank has ond shouting is not going to help. It 27 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1977 Oral Answers

will bring down the dignity of the this matter? In the circumstances, will House. By this you think you are the hon. Prime Minister and the Fi­ doing a great thing, but the dignity nance Minister think over it and insti­ of the House is being brought down. tute a probe by persons who are un­ I am calling one by one. You have connected with this affair altogether? already taken 40 minutes on this ques­ tion. You still want to get up and SHRI MORARJI DESAI: Govern­ ask questions. The answer may not ment is very conscious of all these be satisfactory, but then there are things, and is trying to see that all other methods. You can have a dis­ these things are changed in a proper cussion on this some day. But I may manner. tell you that this is bringing down the dignity of the House. It is not proper. One by one you can ask ques­ Short Notice Question tions. If you are not satisfied, you Deposits Received by Allahaba^ Bank can have a discussion or something From Kangra Cooperative Bank like that later on. But this is not good. Limited, Himachal Pradesh

SHRI VINODBHAI B. SHETH; I S.N.Q. 14. SHRI SATISH AGAR- would like to know whether the WAL: Reserve Bank or Central Bank had SHRI KANWAR LAL taken any hypothecation or security GUPTA: from that Company and what are the findings of the Tata Consultancy Ser­ vice? Will the Mjinister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be SHRI H. M. PATEL; I have already pleased to state: said that the account may be said to be overdrawn to the extent of Rs. 10-1/2 (a) whether Allahabad Bank, Par­ crores in current assets because the liament Street, New Delhi received current assets of the Mills etc. are up Deposits of Rs. 6.45 crores from Kang- to Rs. 5.89 crores. ra Co-operative Bank Ltd., Himachal MR SPEAKER: Rs. 10-1/2 crores are Pradesh, between December, 1976 and unsecured? March, 1977 at the interest rate of SHRI H. M. PATEL: Yes. 17 i per cent Per annum against the stipulated rate of interest of 12.£ per SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The hon. cent fixed by R.B.I.; Finance Minister and the hon. Prime Minister said that the matter had been (b) whether more than a lakhs of entrusted to the Reserve Bank: of rupees was paid as brokerage for get­ India to enquire and enlighten the new ting loans in violation of Reserve 'Government. In that context, may I Bank Rules; ask the hon. Finance Minister to tell (c) whether Allahabad Bank gave this House clearly whether the present crores of rupees to Punjab and Sindh Reserve Bank Governor Mr. Narasinv Bank Ltd., New Delhi during the last ham. till recently was the Secretary six months; if so, the details thereof; of the Banking Department? Is it not a ffcct that In every Board of (d) whether the outstanding ba­ the nationalized bank, there is one lance against Punjab and Sindh Bank representative from the Reserve Bank as on 30th May, 1977 was Rs. 3.44 of India, and one representative from crores against which receipts for only the Department of Banking; and in Rs. 95 lakhs were available with A l­ view of that the Governor of the lahabad Bank on 30th May, 1977; and Reserve Bank and the Secretary (Banking) and their predecessors, in (e) if so, what action has been order to protect their own skins, will taken against the officers who were be hiding, mote than guiding us in responsible for keeping the unac­ 29 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Oral Answers 30 counted money of Rs. 2.49 crores on by the Bank in the light of the find­ 30th May, 1977? ings of the Investigating Officer.

SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Certain THE MINISTER OF FINANCE very serious questions arise out of AND REVENUE AND BANKING the answer laid on the Table of the (SHRI H. M, PATEL): (a) to (e). House. Firstly, the Finance Minister A statement is laid on the Table ot has taken cover under the Reserve the House. Bank’s directive that no maximum ceiling limit was fixed on the interest Statement rates payable to the lending banks. I would now like to draw the attention (a) The Allahabad Bank has repor­ of the Finance Minister to a circular ted that its Parliament Street, New of the Allahabad Bank itself, i.e. issued Delhi Branch obtained deposits total­ from its regional office at 17 Parlia­ ling Rs. 6.45 crores from the Kangra ment Street, New Delhi on 3-12-1976. Central Co-operative Bank Ltd., at This Circular says: different points of tlme between De­ ‘‘Previously, the branch managers cember 1976 and March 1977. These were given discretion vide head deposits were for a period of one year office circular No. 15/3^49 of and the rate of interest agreed to be 1-11-76 to allow interest at 13 per paid was 174 per cent p.a. cent per annum on deposits received from banking institutions/coopera­ Reserve Bank's directive on interest tive banks for a period of 15 to 60 rates on deposits is not binding in days and at 13£ per cent per an­ respect of “deposits made by a bank­ num on those taken for a period of ing institution or a co-operative bank not less than 6 months. other than a Land Development Bank.” However, according to the guidelines This was the previous position. They issued by the Indian Banks Association amended it. The circular says: to its member banks, the interest rate on deposits for periods over 60 “The branches have now been days should not exceed 13* per annum. given discretion to allow interest on deposits received from other bank­ (b) The Allahabad Bank reports ing institutions/cooperative banks that it has paid a brokerage of Rs. for 61 days and over, at 13£ per 1.22 lakhs to two firms for securing cent per annum, provided such de­ the above mentioned deposits. Accord­ posits remain with us beyond ing to the Bank this is not in any 31-12-76. way a violation of the Reserve Bank's directive. I would like to ask the Finance Minis­ ter as to what was the urgency for (c) and (d). The Allahabad Bank reports that its Parliament Street, New the Allahabad Bank to borrow Rs. Delhi Branch has at present deposits 6.45 crores from the Kangra Co­ of Rs. 3.44 crores with the Punjab & operative Bank Ltd., Himachal Pra­ Sind Bank Ltd., supported by deposits desh at such a high rate of interest as receipts. The Bank has not yet clari­ 17$ per cent, and that too by paying fied the position as it stood on 30th a brokerage of Rs. 1.22 lakhs against May 1977. They have been asked to Reserve Bank rules and the head office do so. The Bank has, however, infor­ circular. med that they have deputed a senior officer of the Bank to go into the mat­ SHRI H. M. PATEL: The hon. ter. Member says that I take cover behind the Reserve Bank’s directive. I am (e) The question of taking action taking cover behind nothing. I am against any officer will be considered giving them facts; and if you ask a 31 Oral Answers JULY 8, 1977 Oral Answers 32

•quest ion, it is my duty to give you the brokers, whether they had any deal­ lects as they stand. It is very neces­ ings with this particular bank prior sary to stick to the question. It asks: to this, what brokerage was. P&id to them and what is the provision with (a) whether Allahabad Bank, regard to brokerage. Since the Parliament Street, New Delhi re­ Allahabad Bank has reported that ceived deposits of Rs. 8.45 crores there is no violation of the rules, I from Kangra Co-operative Bank would like to know whether payment Ltd., Himachal Pradesh, between of Rs. 1.22 lakhs as brokerage by a December 1976 and March 1977 at Bank is permissible. the interest rate of 17J per cent per ft SHRI H. M. PATEL: I would again annum against the stipulated rate of request the hon. Member that he interest of 12£ per cent fixed by might be more accurate. I have never R.B.I.” said that there has been no violation What is my reply? I have said: of the rules. I have merely answered the question whether more than one “ (a) The Allahabad Bank has re­ lakh of rupees was Paid as brokerage ported that its Parliament Street, for getting loans in violation of the New Delhi Branch obtained de­ Reserve Bank Rules. I have stated in posits totalling Rs. 6.45 crores from paragraph (b): the Kangra Central Co-operative Bank Ltd., at different points of time “The Allahabad Bank reports that -between December 1976 and March it has paid a brokerage of Rs. 1.22 1977. These deposits were for a lakhs to two firms for securing the period of one year and the rate of above mentioned deposits. Accord­ interest agreed to be paid was 1?* ing to the Bank this is not in any per cent p.a.” way a violation of the Reserve Bank’s directive.” 1 confirm it. Again my reply says: Then, if you kindly look at part (e), “Reserve Bank's .directive on in­ I have stated: terest rates on deposits is not bind­ ing in respect of “deposits made by “The question of taking action a banking institution or a co-opera- against any officer will be consider­ - tive bank other than a Land Deve- ed by the Bank in the light of the . lopment Bank.” findings of the Investigating Officer.” 'This is merely giving you the fac­ The main office of the Allahabad Bank tual information. Again my reply has appointed, rather deputed, a senior says: officer to go into the whole of this case. When the investigation is com­ —' “However, according to the guide­ pleted and when full facts become lines issued bv the Indian Banks available, we shall know what action ‘ “ Association to its member banks, the is to be taken. In the mean time, I -‘’■ interest rate on deposits for periods have given you all the facts that I •r- over 60 days should not exceed have. *■ 13i per cent per annum.”

Wow I have given the factual position. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: The Allahabad Bank has been put to a loss Does it mean that I have taken caver behind it? What further action of about Rs. 42 lakhs on account^ of excessive payment of interest. Some should be taken in regard to anything that is improper in this transaction, we brokerage was also paid. Besides this, will certainly take afterwards. an interest of Rs. 6.45 crores was cre­ dited in the current account of the ^ SHRI SAXISH AGARWAL: I would Kangra Central Co-operative Bank 'like to know the credentials of the every month and interest on this in- 33 Oral Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34

* terest was also paid. This is the big­ commission paid to the brokers, in gest bungling and it is a very serious accordance with the rules? Since the matter. Of course, it is a fraud. Since Regional Manager, who was responsi­ even senior officials are involved, I ble for this shady deal, has now been want an independent enquiry other promoted, is it not in the fitness of than by bank officers, say by the CBl, things that those officers against whom to go into it and pin-point the res­ these allegations are being made are ponsibility of the officers who are res­ suspended while the enquiry is going ponsible for it. May I know whether on? Otherwise, they will prejudice after making enquiries the Minister the enquiry. will lay on the Table of the House the SHRI H. M. PATEL: So, far as this report of that enquiry? particular Bank manager is concerned, he has been transferred already. SHRI H. M. PATEL: As I have al­ SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRISH- ready said, an enquiry is being made NAN: Transferred on promotion. at the present moment by the Allaha­ bad Bank itself. When that report jp SHRI H. M. PATEL: My information received, we will consider what fur­ is that he has not been promoted, he ther enquiry is necessary and it will has merely been transferred. If it is, be made. I shall certainly be happy I shall confirm it. I am only telling you: to place all the results of the report what my present information- is. on the Table of the House. So far as the brokers are concerned, I have no definite information about them, but they were not new brokers ^TfcTT g ^ft *rri ^tf TO brought into existence. The names of the brokers’ firms are: Messrs. Indian R e a l Estate & Investment Bureau, No.. 'f'td 3TTt q^t t ^ 7, Jantar Mantar Road, New Delhi— they have many branches—and Messrs 3ft 5TT^ft dd+l Ram Prasad Gianv.phand & Co. I do* not have their address. The former TO? ^TT «TT ? H?ft iTft^T was paid Rs. 78,676 as brokerage, and ^TVt ^ ^ ? the latter was paid Rs. 43,654. Can the Minister deny it? A question was raised about the Manager having been transferred. He SHRI H. M. PATEL: I do not know was given a promotion not now, but anything about it. So, there is no ques­ in January, 1977, and he has been now tion of my denying it or affirming it. transferred from whatever position he was holding to the same position else­ SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRISH- where. NAN; Is the hon. Minister aware of SHRI YADVENDRA DUTT; May I the fact that this particular firm of know whether this firm which has brokers appeared on the scene just given its address as No. 7, Jantar a few days prior to this deal and then Mantar Road, had only a capital of got a commission? I would also like Rs. 300 before this transaction which t0 know the credentials of this firm of gave it this huge commission and that brokers. For how long has the Allaha­ it was formed iust a week before the bad Bank been dealing with them? transaction? Have these brokers also collected money from the Kangra Central Co­ SHRI H. M. PATEL: I take the in­ operative Bank? Have the Allahabad formation. I shall enquire. I can Bank deducted income-tax from the only give the information that I have- 1341 L S —2 35 Oral Answers JULY 8, 197? Written Answers 36

sft f a • W t 'Sft ^ the whole question of enquiring into the working of these banks so that ft? 3r 1977 their original objectives are fulfilled. ^ fl^T. ?rr4^ fVqT ipTT, ^ ^ d ^ F l ^ *rf, SHRI H. M. PATEL; This is a good suggestion and certainly we will consi­ ^TT *»T f^TT TOT I der it. TOlt % TT SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: First, ^ T T ^— °wT q*iM % please look into it whether this ad­ ftrtr irr^fhT *r*ft sft * rt ^ t dress, 7, Jantar Manta^ Road is cor­ *M r t*r f% *m ^r jtw ^ rect or not because 7, Jantar Mantar Road is the office of the Janta Party. % fe^TT *TR, S F W ^ 8% sr 1 ? r m-r ^ «rftd4>r{ The whole dealings of these banks #? seem to be very fishy. Will you kind­ ly look into the dealings of these banks? Will you please have a thorough check? The bon. Minister SHRI H. M. PATEL: There is no has said that a senior officer will look ■question of justifying the promotion into it. These are all one class and or otherwise. I have given you the one group of officers. The other facts. When the enquiry is completed, course left is the Reserve Bank. Will we shall know the details, and w e shall you ask the Reserve Bank to enquire decide upon the steps to be taken. into it? “However strong the feelings may be, I think it is necessary to proceed SHRI H. M. PATEL: The enquiry ■against bank officers as well as others will be thorough. The investigation according to the procedures that are is being made by a senior officer in laid down. They have certain rights, order to collect full data and then we and enquiries must be made according will decide what further action will be to the rules. That will be done. taken.

So far as hon. Member’s reference PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: From to 7, Jantar Mantar Road is concerned, the answers given so far I can say that evidently, he is ill-informed about the Finance Minister is not replying that. He does not know that at that in a direct manner. I am not saying place a large number of small busi­ that he is replying in a roundabout ness houses are there. So, such a ^manner. Certainly the information kind of cheap jibes does not give cre­ that he has given by way of reply dence to the hon. Member. falls short of the actual information that seems to be available with some WRITTEN ANSWERS TO people. It may not be available to QUESTIONS liim. Therefore, I do not want to be uncharitable to him and the Govern­ Prices of Onion ment. These nationalised banks are *389. SHRI LAHANU SINDWA: really meant for helping the economi­ SHRIMATI AHILYA P. cally poor socially backward sections of the society. But we find that parti­ RANGNEKAR: cularly during , these Will the Minister of COMMERCE tanks were used as agencies for all AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ kinds of nepotism and corruption. OPERATION be pleased to state; Since the Prime Minister is here. I (a) whether the price of onion is ask whether the Finance Minister and falling which is affecting onion grow, the hon. Prime Minister will go into ers; 3 7 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 3$

(b) the present price level of onion; Institutional credit in the Private <9nd Sector and Heavy Industrial Sector

(c) whether Government contem­ *391. SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Will the plate to fix the minimum prices of Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE onion taking into account the costs of AND BANKING be pleased to state: cultivation of agriculture products? (a) whether Government are THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE aware that institutional credit is flow­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ ing the private sector and heavy in­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- dustrial Isector adversely affecting JlIA): (a) No, Sir. small scale industries and public sec­ tor industries; and (b) According t0 the latest data (b) whether Government propose to available, as on 24-6-1977, the retail take steps to make more institutional prices of onions at a few selected finance available to small scale indus­ centres were as under: — tries in where it has a large employment potential? (Rs. per kg.) Madras Calcutta Bombay Nasik Delhi THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI 2.10 1.50 1.25 1.00 1.20 H. M. PATEL); (a) and (b). The Public Financial Institutions endea­ (c) No, Sir. However constant vour to ensure that the availability of efforts are made to secure the interests credit is not an impediment to the o f the producers alongwith the consu­ implementation of any proposal which mers. is technically sound, financially viable and economically desireable. The all India share of assistance to small scale industry from IDBI has increased from 3.4 per cent between 1964—70 to 26 per cent in 1970—75. Development Bank for Small Scale Industries Financial support for term credit to small scale industry in Kerala is *390. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Will provided by the Kerala State Finan­ the Minister of FINANCE AND cial Corporation and resource support REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas- >

((b) if so, the details thereof? Financial support to the Public sec­ tor was being extended entirely THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND through the budget. However recent­ REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI ly the public financial institutions have H. M. PATEL): (a) No, Sir. also started assisting the public sector projects. During the last three years (b) Does not arise. 1974-75, 1975-76 and 1976-77 the 39 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 40 assistance provided to public sector projects is as follows: —

(Rs. in crores)

Amount sanctioned

1974-75 1975-76 1976-77

I ...... 59 4 71*7 713* (July—June) (l8 5) (l6-x) (I7°> I 2 12 0 II 6 (April—-March) (3 9) (23 4) (U-o)

% I.F.C.I.: Industrial Finance Corporation of India. •July 1976—March 1977- Figures in brackets indicate per- whether the price of vanaspati centage to the total assistance of the ghf w“ ^ 6'50T,per, ^ n respective institutions in the year. f arly has «one t0 10 00 Per kg. in 1977;

N.B. (i) The State Financial Cor­ (b) the particular reasons therefor porations grant rupee loans upto a and whether the prices of raw mate­ maximum of Rs. 30 lakhs to concerns rial used in the manufacture of vanas- in the Corporate and Cooperative sec­ pati ghee have also risen in the same tors whose share capital and reserves proportion; do not exceed Rs. 1.00 crore. The all- (c) whether Government have no India institutions consider requests check over the mode or extent of pro­ from industrial concerns for grant of duction of vanaspati ghee by the assistance in excess of Rs. 30.00 lakhs. manufacturers and the manufactur­ As such, the small scale units do not, ers try to create a shortage in the normally, come under the purview of market to fetch more price; and the operations of the above institutions for direct assistance. (d) the reaction of Government thereto an£ whether some proposal to (ii) in respect of refinance of in­ take over the manufacture and dis­ dustrial loans the I.D.B.I. refinances tribution of vanaspati ghee is under loans by other institutions and its consideration of Government to check assistance to small scale units is thus rise in prices of this essential com­ indirect by way of refinance. modity and if so, the salient features of the proposal? THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Rise in the price of Vanaspati Ghee AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ •392. SHRI ANANT DAVE: RIA) : (a) The price of one tin of 16.5 kg. of vanaspati including excise SHRI SHANKERSINHJI duty was around Rs. 90—100 early in VAGHELA: 1976; the price was hovering around Will the Minister of COMMERCE Rs. 166— 168 early in May, 1977 and AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ from mid-May, It has been brought OPERATION be pleased to state: down to Rs. 158. 43 Written Answers )TASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 42

(b) Prices of vanaspati, in the ope­ wf % V^K, ^ 1976 *T WS ration of market forces, fluctuate in pF*T1\ TOT «TT J6dr 1 v / (c) The average monthly production Uncertainty in S.T.C., N.T.C. and -of vanaspati ranges between 45,000— M.M.T.C. 50,000 tonnes. The Directorate of Vanaspati monitors production levels *394. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the o f the vanaspati units and checks the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL usage of different oils in the manufac­ SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be ture of the product. pleased to state; (a) whether he has seen the report (d) There is no proposal at present in the Financial Express of June 16, to take over the manufacture and dis­ 1977 to the effect that uncertainty tribution of vanaspati. about their future is haunting the top brass in the State Trading Corpora­ tion, the National Textile Corporation and the Minerals and Metals Trading Corporation; and gun (b) if so, his reaction thereto? ♦ 393. wteT t o THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE *T?ft AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ «inH ^ I*0!! Pf I OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ RIA): (a) Yes, Sir. (^7) Pf% ^ (b) There is no reason for the offi­ gT g^rirff ^f|v*r f^iT cials of STC, NTC and MMTC to feel uncertain about their future. While # fceRt sir 5TTRT f w ; enquiries have been initiated against certain officers against whom com­ (^) w ^rpft plaints of corruption or serious mal­ ft? w * % ^ practices have been received, the num­ ber of such officers is very small and fkm «n; ?fk Government would follow due process in such cases. The Government's (*r) ft,

4,000 employees belonging to the sub­ insurance business and *n order to sidiaries of the General Insurance bring uniformity in the scales of pay, Corporation; allowances and other conditions of service of Development Staff, which (b) if so, the reasons therefor; before nationalisation differed from company to company. The Govern­ (c) whether this decision was taken ment while framing the terms and during the period of emergency with­ conditions of service of development out consulting the staff; staff took into account the recom­ mendations of the Mathrani Commit­ (d) whether these employees have tee and the G.I.C., which had held dis­ protested against this unilateral move cussions with the Field Staff Associa­ of the management; and tions. (e) if so, reaction of Government thereto? The Government has received re­ presentations against the various pro­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND visions of the Scheme including those REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI providing for reduction in emoluments, H. M. PATEL: (a) to (e). Under the and termination of service under cer­ powers conferred on the Central Gov­ tain circumstances and these are ernment by the General Insurance under consideration. Business (Nationalisation) Act, 1972, the General Insurance (Rationalisa­ tion of Pay Scales and other Condi­ tions of Service of Development Staff) a m r r n f t j t t t fa ir w n j Scheme, 1976 was published on 29th n f tnmfiT April, 1976 and the same came into force with effect from 1st May, 1976. The terms and conditions of service * 3 9 6 . OH * tT : w r of Development Staff as provided in p t the Scheme, inter alia, link their re­ f«m TTirp* dtr T« 4 » muneration with the premium income. f'TT f% : Every Development Staff (Inspector Grade I or Inspector Grade II) after (^>) otimr< *1^ a*rr categorisation, is required to operate I w r f 25- within a stipulated cost ratio of 7 per cent, 8 per cent and 10 per cent (7 3JJT, 1 9 7 5 1 9 7 7 5RT per cent operatihg in Metropolitan ^ STSffa % fUTPWHtff if cities, 8 per cent operating at ‘A* Class fcf? r m f % fa rr T rftr % cities other than Metropolitan cities (B— 1 and ®—2 Class cities) and 10 if W ^TT ^«(T WTVW Per cent operating at all other centres fair respectively). The emoluments in­ cluding basic pay of a development (^■) ^rif It jptt staff operating at a cost tatio, which exceeds stipulate^ limit, shall be so oifiMR 7 fVl'fl-f+d'fl wrriftr reduced as to keep his cost within the stipulated limit. Where the emolu­ ments of a development staff are re­ duced for three consecutive years, the services of such persons shall be liable fr^o tjro qfn) : (^>) sftc to be terminated. (m) . TT^f # 1 - 1 - 1 9 7 5 %

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Instructions to State Governments for the assurance by,-the traders to the opening Fair Price Shops for selling Government that' tHey would bring Cheap Cloth the prices down?

•400. SHRI AHMED* M. PATEL: ^the P m in is t e r * OF c o m m e r c e ^ Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ OPERATION be pleased to state: RIA): Representatives of the Vanas­ pati Manufacturers gave an assurance (a) whether Government have issu- on 6 may, 1977 that the price of a 'ed certain instructions to the State 16.5 kg. tin of vanaspati inclusive of Governments for opening fair price excise duty, would not exceed Rs. :shops for selling cheap cloth t° the 158/-. Ruling prices, wherever they ,poor sections of the country; were below this, would .he main­ tained at that level. At that time (b|) whether Government are aware the ruling price was generally bet­ that the quota cloth allotted to these ween Rs. 166 and Rs. 168. Since fair price shops are being sold in about the middle of May, the price black market and the shops are al­ has been generally stable at Rs. ways out of stock of the cheap pro­ 158/-. ducts; and Two main manufacturers of pack­ (c) the measures taken by Govern* aged tea reduced the prices of vari­ ment to check it? ous brands of packaged tea by about Rs. 2 per kg. Between April, 1977 THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE and the latest sale on 4 July, prices AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ of tea in Calcutta auctions came OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ down by a little over Rs. 10/- a kg. RIA): (a) Yes, Sir. As regards other essential com­ (b) and (c). All retail outlets modities, there was an announce­ selling controlled cloth are required ment in the Press that a number of to sell the cloth in accordance with industrialists a* Bombay and Cal- the orders issued by the various V cutta had voluntarily decided not to State Governments who are the increase the prices of the products ‘competent authority* under the manufactured by them till 31st De­ Cotton Textile (Control) Order in cember, 1977. Since that announce­ each State/Union Territory for regu­ ment, the wholesale price index for lating the sale of controlled cloth. the major group of manufactured If any specific complaint regarding products in the all-commodities sale of cloth in black market is re­ wholesale price index has marginally ceived, the same will be investigat­ gone up. v ed and appropriate action taken. Termination Notices served by L.I.C. to Field Workers

Decline in the prices of Vanaspati *402. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: Will Ghee and other essential commodities the Minister of FINANCE AND after assurance by Traders REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: *401. SHRI SHIV SAMP ATI RAM: Will the Minister of COM­ (a) whether the Life Insurance MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES Corporation has served 15-day termi­ AND COOPERATION be pleaded to nation notices on 150 of its field state the extent to which the prices workers; of vanaspati ghee and other essen­ tial commodities came down after (b) if so, the reasons therefor; 57 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 5$ (c,) whether the representation tW if TTCU «TPTTT fspw 5TTT made by the L.I.C. Field Workers* Association against the termination notices has been considered; and *4 03. *fTOT : 2PTT

(d). if so, what decision has been cTTT nHlfv* taken thereon? T f t f t fT

( * ) W T*TT TRq' o^TTTR THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 3 AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). The present terms and conditions of ( ^ ) w T m oim n f^nr *r service of development officers link *7^ % fan their remuneration with the pre­ mium income. The annual remune­ Trrar T r ^ t ?t t ? ration of a development officer should not exceed 20 per cent of the

(b) if so, the particulars thereof? (c) and (d). Some representations THE MINISTER OF FINANCE against the revised terms and condi­ AND REVENUE AND BANKING tions of service of development offi­ (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). R.B.I. has prescribed a Minimum cers which include provisions for Lending Rate of 12.5 per cent and termination of service also have been the maximum rate of 16.5 per cent received. The matter is receiving inclusive of the interest tax for all public sector banks and banks with. attention. ;59 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 60

aggregate time and demand liabili­ (c) Government have taken a ties of Rs. 50 crores and above. number of steps in this regard, e.g. strong action against foreign ex­ change offenders, introduction of a Within this broad frame-work of number of schemes for non-resident minimum and maximum lending Indians and persons of Indian origin Tates each bank is free to determine such as (a) opening of Non-Resident its own rate of interest depending on (External) Accounts, (b) opening of the cost of raising resources, deploy­ Foreign Currency (Non-Resident) ment of credit, the cost of establish­ Accounts, (c) investment opportuni­ ment, the size and type of loans etc. ties in new equity issues of new companies in a wide range of select­ ed industries, (d) priority allotment In consonance with national priori­ ties certain categories of advances of motor car, scooter, agricultural like advances for financing food tractors, cement, etc. against receipt procurement operations of the Gov­ of foreign exchange abroad. ernment; advances to priority sec­ tors upto specified limits covered under the Guarantee Schemes of Unauthorised powerlooms Credit Guarantee Corporation of India; loans under the Differential 2874. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Rate of Interest Scheme, have been Will the Minister of COMMERCE exempted from the operation of Mi­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ nimum Lending Rate. Banks are OPERATION be pleased to state: expected to charge concessional rate of interest from these categories of (a) whether Government are aware advances. of the large number of unauthorised powerlooms operating in various states of the country;

Remittances by Indians living Abroad (b) if so, whether Government pro­ pose to appoint a Committee to assess 2873. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA GOW­ the magnitude and nature of the pro­ DA: Will the Minister of FINANCE blem to take suitable action in the AND REVENUE AND BANKING matter; and be pleased to state: (c) what administrative action is being taken/proposed to deal with Jhe (a) whether unauthorised remit, problem of unauthorised powerlooms tances to India by Indians living in the various States of the country? abroad have come down; m THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (b) if so, to what extent in the last AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ tw o years; and OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ RIA): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) the efforts made by Govern­ ment in this regard? (b) and (c). There is no proposal to appoint a Committee to go into the problem of the unauthorised THE MINISTER OF FINANCE powerlooms. A policy for the pow- AND REVENUE AND BANKING eiioom siector which will also deal (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Yes, Sir. with the problem of unauthorised powerlooms in the country is under (b) The exact extent cannot be active consideration of the Govern­ •estimated. ment. •*6 i Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 Estimated Overproduction of Natural Jodhpur has resulted in the reduction Rubber of tourist traffic to Jodhpur and Jaisalmer apart from causing inconve. 2876. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: nience to other passengers visiting the Will the Minister of COMMERCE area; AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION be pleased to state: (c) the time by which Government propose to re-start the air services (a) the estimated overproduction of between Delhi, Jodhpur and Bombay; natural rubber in the country during and the yeai: 1976-77; and (d) the action Government propose (b) how Government propose to to take to ensure uninterrupted air dispose of this excess stock and pre­ services with a view to attract more vent a decline in the price level of tourists? natural rubber?

THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI OPERA VION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) RIA): r.a) The estimated over pro­ The service IC-123/124 (Bombay/ duction of national rubber in the Alymedabadi/UdaSpur/Jodhpur^ Delhi country during 1976-77 was of the and back) was temporarily suspend­ order ]ft,000 tonnes. ed in order to facilitate mandatory structural inspection on the HS-748 (b) Government have already fleet, called for by the manufacturers allowed export of 21,000 tonnes of of the aircrafts, viz, M/s. Hawker rubber in 1976-77, the export of £tfddefey Aviation, U.K. which Jjb stiU continuing. Conse- »quently the price of lot rubber (b) and (d). The suspension of (grades 3, 4 and 5 which once came the service has no doubt resulted in down to Rs. 520/- per quintal has some inconvenience to the travelling since improved an^ is at present public, but it was necessitated due ruling around Rs. 600/- per quintal to reasons mentioned in reply to as against the minimum notified part (a). The service was suspended price of Rs. 520/- per quintal for with effect from 7th May, 1977, grade I rubber. Decline in the price which is a comparatively lean period level of natural rubber is checked for tourist traffic to this area. through export of surplus rubber. The question of revising the mini­ (c) The service is expected to be mum price is also under considera­ resumed by the end of July. tion of the Government.

Airport at port Blair Air Services to Jodhpur 2877. SHRI MANORANJAN 2876. SHRi R. D. GATTANI: Will BHAKTA: Wilt the Minister of MINISTER OF TOURISM AND TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION ‘CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to be pleased to state: state: (a) whether Government propose - (a) the reasons for which air ser­ to have a new airport at Port Blair; vice between Jodhpur and Delhi has been discontinued; and

(b) whether Government are aware (b) if so, when the construction will ithat r discontinuance of air services to be taken up? 63 Written Answers JULY 8#1977 ' Written Answers I 64 > ’ * THE MINISTER OF TOURISM (b) the year in which the cities AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI were classified last and also the list PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) of cities under different classes; and No, Sir. (c) whether Government propose to (b) Does not arise. declare Gwalior as ‘B’ class city in r ■ near future? k

Items reserved for production under THE MINISTER OF FINANCE Handloom Sector AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): .(a ) Cities 2878. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN are classified for the purpose of pay­ KADANNAPPALLI: Will the Minis­ ment of house rent allowance and ter of COMMERCE AND CIVIL compensatory (city) allowance to SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be the Central Government employees pleased to state: into A, B -l, B-2 and C categories on the basis of their population as re­ (a) whether his attention has been vealed in the last decennial census drawn to the fact that most of the as follows: items reserved for production under handloom sector are being produced in Class Population criterion. the powerloom and very little is being done by the State Governments to A More than 16 lakhs. enforce the Reservation Control B -l Above 8 lakhs but not exceed­ Order; and ing 16 lakhs. (b) if so, the measures being taken B-2 Above 4 lakhs but not ex­ by Government in this regard? ceeding 8 lakhs.

THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE C 50,000 and above but not ex­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ ceeding 4 lakhs. OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ RIA): (a) and (b). Some violations While for the payment of house rent of the Reservation Orders have been allowance, only the population of reported and State Governments are the municipal area of city is taken taking action in accordance with the into account, for the payment of provisions of the Reservation Order compensatory (city) allowance, the in respect of these violations. How­ population of the Urban Agglomera­ ever, they are being requested to tion of the city, wherever it exists, be more vigilant „and ensure stricter is reckoned for the purpose. Where, implementation of the Reservation however, such Urban Agglomeration Orders. ^ does not exist, the classification of city for the payment of compensa­ tory (city) allowance also is based Classification of Cities on the population of the municipal area of the city. 2879. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- DIA: Will the Minister of FINANCE (b) Cities were last classified in AND REVENUE AND BANKING be 1974 following the recommendations pleased to state: of the Third Pay Commission. Upto- date lists of the cities classified for (a) criteria fixed for classification the payment of house rent allowance of cities under Class *A\ ‘B\ ‘C\ ‘D’ and compensatory (city) allowance, and so on in the country for purposes are laid on the Table of the House. of giving house rent and other allow­ [Placed in Library. See No. LT- ances; 642/77]. 65 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

(c) On the basis of the population ment's “soft loan policy” for the S of its Urban Agglomeration as shown industrialisation of backward areas in the 1971 census, Gwalior is al­ during the 1976-77; ready classified as a B-2 class city and is eligible for the payment of (b) if so, what is the amount dis­ compensatory (city) allowance to the bursed by them; and Central Government employees. For (c) the amounts already disbursed the payment of house rent allow­ by the banks in the districts particu­ ance, however since the population larly Aurangabad, Bhir, Nanded, of the Gwalior city as per 1971 cen­ Parbhani and Osmanabad which have sus does not exceed 4,00,000, it is been declared as backward by the classified only as ‘C* class town. Planning Commission?

Export/Import of Cast Acrylic Sheets THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING 2880. SHRI BHAGIRATH BHAN- (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). WAR: Will the Minister of COM­ Presumably, the Hon’ble Member is MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES referring to the loans given by na­ AND COOPERATION be pleased to tionalised banks at a concessional state: rate of interest in industrially back­ (a) whether there is any export or ward areas under the Industrial De­ import of cast acrylic sheets from velopment Bank of India’s Refinance India; and Scheme. Information in respect of such assistance, if any, disbursed by (b) if so,, the price of the product the nationalised banks in the indus­ indigenous and imported? trially backward areas and in parti­ THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE cular in the districts of Aurangabad, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ Bhir, Nanded, Parbhani and Osmana­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ bad is being collected and will be RIA): (a) While import of non- laid on the Table of the House to pearlized acrylic sheets is not allow­ the extent available. ed, that of pearlized acrylic sheets is allowed on restricted basis to the manufacturers of acrylic buttons. Fresh Investment in Coal Industry There were imports and exports of 2882. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will polyacrylate sheets during 1975-76 the Minister of FINANCE AND RE­ and 1976-77 (April—February, 77). VENUE AND BANKING be pleased (b) The average price of imported to state the amount of fresh investment in the coal industry polyacrylate sheets during 1976-77 in the form of preference and equity was Rs. 5.43 per kg. The price of share capital and long term loans indigenous acrylic sheet varies- ac­ given by public financial institutions cording to thickness and size of the over the last three years? sheet. Generally a 3 mm sheet 3’ x 4’ (weighing approximately 4 kg.) costs between Rs. 100 and Rs. 150. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): During the Soft Loan policy of Nationalised Banks last three financial years in the Unit 2881. SHRI T. S. SHRANGARE: Trust of India, Industrial Recons­ truction Corporation of India, Indus­ Will the Minister of FINANCE AND trial Finance Corporation of India REVENUE AND BANKING be and the Industrial Credit and Invest­ pleased tt) state: ment Corporation of India have (a) whether the nationalised banks fiefther made any fresh investment have followed the Central Govern­ in coal industry in the form of pre­ 67 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 68 ference and equity share capital nor ^TTrT Prutth srrfim*r provided any long term loan to this industry. % qr ^ fa 3?t *THT I I Information relating to the Indus­ trial Development Bank of India and (<*) sftr (*r). w # ct ^ % Life Insurance Corporation of India is being collected and will be laid ^TPT ferRT, Pf Tf Pf^ft on the Table of the House. % 5rfij3nr ir |, ^ VRT % f^TPT % ^ I TT*FcT srrftr- 3>TUT

3>TTY I is WT (b) whether many irregularities f^TFT % f^TPT "Ft ^^TRT *t are being committed by the bank in payment of loans to its members; 3iT f^ m r ^tRt^ o i ftt* (e) whether certain persons have been given loans on the very day of their becoming members or even prior to their enrolment as members of (^ ) frt, ^t Pt»

w r tanm irsft («ft THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE grttaro vtfms) : (^) *ft st i AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ ^fo 32, Fr Y

LT-643/77]. The names of the Chairman and Secretary are: j-;r 'if

Year Chairman Secretary

I974“75 • - ■ Shri R.C. Pathak Mrs. Kamlesh 1975-76 • . ShriK.S. Rana Shri T.C. Gupta 1976-77 . . . Shri K.S. Rana Shri D. Kumar

(b) The inspections carried out by World Bank Aid for Agricultural the Reserve Bank of India during Development Project the years 1975 and 1976 have brought 2886. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: out certain irregularities in the grant Will the Minister of FINANCE AND of loans to the members of the Bank. REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas­ ed to state: (c) No such instances have been brought to the notice of the Delhi (a) whether Government have de­ Administration. cided to launch Agriculture Develop­ ment Project in the country involv­ (d) The number of arbitration ing an expenditure of Rs. 17 crores cases filed under Section 60 of the with the help of world bank assist­ Delhi Cooperative Societies Act, 1972, ance; pending against the defaulting mem­ (b) if so, the main features thereof; bers is 28. The following steps, among others, have been taken to (c) when the same is likely to be improve the working of the Bank: launched; and (d) the likely amount of World (i) Under the Banking Regula­ Bank’s assistance? tion Act, inspection is peri­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE odically carried out by the AND REVENUE AND BANKING Reserve Bank of India. The (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) No Project irregularities pointed out in involving an expenditure of Rs. 17 crores has been evolved for World the inspection reports are Bank assistance. However, there are brought to the notice of the a large number of agricultural develop­ bank for taking remedial ment projects for which assistance has measures. been secured from the World Bank. (b) to (d). Does not arise. Cii) Guidelines for the grant of loans have been issued to fare m the bank, and it is required 2887. fn^T 5*nr iftTO : to follow the banking prin­ ^TT ftrcr rTOT T wfaPT ciples in such matters. ^ ■mK f^TT :

fiii) The Reserve Bank of India (*f) 5RT % f^TTT 5^u| eflT ^ have put restrictions on the grant of loans to the Board of Directors. r 1Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 72

(^r) 57, rftOT

5[»To : (?p) THE MINISTER OF FINANCE w r H73iR % r ^ K is fa fa w AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) No such 3 ^ W fr^T T tf S^TR !T|f I instructions have been issue J by Gov­ f*ra$ % ?n=r ^aVr % (w ernment to public sector undertakings; - *1$ ^ '<'~ - :> s , IP|r W ?RT ^ »Tf i t | (b) Does not arise. t fa?^ ^rf % sfa e% far* 1500 ?rw Money Repatriated from India by Coca Cola4 Company w ?r^cf ipn 2889. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN r £ i ^ r sft ?ramft 20 Will the Minister of FINANCE AND *r ¥V snrrjfV 'srh: 5*? qr 8 .2 REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased sr%7RT STT3T fppiT | to state the total amount of money repatriated by Coca Cola Company from ( ? ) ^ m 75rr %tm 1 India to its parent organisation Coca Expenditure on Advertisements given Cola Export Corporation abroad under by Public Sector undertakings in various heads such as royalty, interest Souvenirs of Political Parties etc. during the last three years? 2888. SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRI- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE SHNAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING AND REVENUE AND BANKING be (SHRI H. M. PATEL): Data relating pleased to state: to remittances allowed in favour of (a) whether Government have ask­ the Coca Cola Export Corporation, New ed all public sector undertakings to Delhi are as follows:— L

(Rs.)

H.O/Area Year Profit r office Service Imports Total expenses Charges

, , 1973 76,10,075 18 54,348 94 64,423 (1971) 1974 81,36,798 35,49>5°5 6,71,549 1,23, 57,852 (*972) 1975 7**23,076 15,76,737 86,99,813 (1973)

41,02,634 3>05»22,o88 T otal 2,28,69,949 35>49>5°5 w Written Answer* ASADHX 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answer* 74

For the period after, 1975, no remit­ country. In some cases, the issue of tance has so lar been allowed. The capital is only to the Indian residents Company has not been allowed remit­ with a view to bringing about the tance of royalty or interest. stipulated dilution of the non-resident interest under the Foreign Exchange ■r Vc" Raising of Capital by Firms Regulation Act. 2890. SHRI PRASANNBHAI MEHTA: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND Working of Industrial Reconstruction REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased Corporation of India to state: 2891. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Will the (a) whether the Union Government Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE have allowed 36 firms to raise the AND BANKING be pleased to state: capital upto Rs. 27 crores in the month of May, 1977 alone; (a) whether he has received a memorandum about the working of the (b) if so,, the names of the firms Industrial Reconstruction Corporation who were allowed to raise the capital; of India Limited (IRCI) on April 3. (c) whether they have fulfilled the 1977; conditions for allowing them to raise the capital; (b) whether any action has so far been initiated in this regard; and (d) how much capital each com­ (c) if so, the nature of such action pany has been allowed to raise; and and the result thereof? (e) to what extent the raising of the capital will help the country? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). AND REVENUE AND BANKING Government have received a memo­ (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) During the randum dated the 3rd April, 1977 about month of May, 1977 approvals were the working 0f the Industrial Recon­ given under the Capital Issues (Control) struction Corporation of India Limited Act to 44 non-Government companies from the Industrial Reconstruction for raising capital to the extent of Corporation of India Employees Unioa Rs. 26.25 crores. Besides certain general suggestions for improving the working of the Corpora­ (b) and (d). Names of companies tion the memorandum has laid stress and the amount of capital allowed to on the need for early implementation be raised by each company are given of the R. N. Sen Committee, a Com­ in the Statement laid on the Table of mittee appointed by the Corporation the House. (Placed in Library. See to look into its working. The recom­ No. LT-644/75]. mendations of the Committee are under examination of Government in consul­ (c) Yes, Sir. tation with the Industrial Development Bank of India and the Industrial Re­ (e) In the case of bonus issues, the construction Corporation of India objective is to bring the shareholders’ Limited. funds retained in business more closely in line, with the total funds employed in business. In the case of new issues Indian Oxygen Limited of capital, the money proposed to be 2892. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY: raised is necessary to finance the setting Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND up of new industrial projects or for ex­ CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ pansion of existing industrial units, TION be pleased to state: keeping an appropriate debt equity ratio. Thus, the raising of^ capital con­ (a) whether the Indian Oxygen tributes to the industrial growth of the Limited, an export oriented project, 75 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 76 has not been cleared by Government ^ iwr th** it%ix («ft for the last three years; and : (*?) g^n (b) if so, the reasons therefor? spt 3tt | s ftr

,rz?r tt Tw fe n j^nrrcm THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): ( Government are awaiting the report of w r fe fa f^TErffr^r ^ 1 1 an expert group constituted to go into f ^ r if srfofafa *r^r in R ^ the question of the scope of availability of indigenous know-how for the line of *)iqnai TT Pr>fa if manufacture proposed by Indian 'rf^TTT 5fPT faSTT srTcTT I 5TR Oxygen Ltd. 5*nr % 5TtWt & ®r«T- ^rreft | srfa; ^ % TT3T 3KTT I I *f^T5T«ff fa»TT- >ff Tt |J5T $■ V g*T : SHJ^r jfTTf fart^ff TflTCfa sifafafa ntT I fifT ij'ft'f ij- q^rf ^ Tift -•ii'iY ^rf^r 1

2893. Assets and Liabilities of Chief Minis- ter of Karnataka and Members of his fire* ^ Family

2894. SHRI S. NANJESHA GOWDA: (*fr) if Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased 3TR ^T5T W rfhT Slfdftfa % to state: arft sfcfV | (a) what, are the assets and liabili­ T? cI^Tc?r ITT I ties declared by the Chief Minister of ?fre srf? ^r, rft Tt ^srt ^ Karnataka, his wife, daughters and sons-in-law in the Income tax Returns tFFTT^hr ir ’P7 filed during the years 1972-73, 1973- srfafafa iT¥?rf ^ 74, 1974-75, 1975-76 and 1976-77; srk are 5n=nr- (b) whether the assets disclosed by them are disproportionate to their in­ come; and

(® ) SRRf'Sfrt' HT$RTff (c) if so, what is the action taken or proposed to be taken? 'i »ITT HTCfrr Sffafrfa »Tf?ff TT 1 ^ it THE MINISTER OF FINANCE fMdoijftdl 5RcT% % fsrtr WT ^TPT AND REVENUE AND BANKING air t| I ? (SHRI H.k M. PATEL): (a) A statement ■ 77 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers showing the assets and liabilities de­ respect of the other two sons-in-law clared by Shri Devaraj Urs, Chief have not been declared in the income Minister of Karnataka in his income- tax returns filed by them. They are tax/wealth-tax returns for various not assessed to wealth-tax. years is annexed. His wife, daughters and one of the sons-in-law are not (b) No, Sir. assessed to income-tax/wealth-tax. The particulars of assets and liabilities in (c) Does not arise.

Statement

Assessment Assets Liabilities Year Rs. Rs.

1972-73 • No return of wealth filed. 1973-74 . Agricultural lands house at Kallphalli, site at Hunsur, shares, jewellery and cash .... i,29>ooo 16,340

1974-75 • Agricultural lands, residential house at Kallahalli, site at Rajamahal Vilas Ex- tention, site at Hunsur, shares, jewellery and pank balances .... 1,86,398 20,014 1975-76 • Agricultural lands, residential house at Kallahalli, residential houre under con­ struction at Rajamahal Vilas Extension site at Hunsur, shares jewellery and cash at bank ...... r 2,70,474 44,500

1976-77 • Agricultural lands, residential house at Kallahalli, residential house at Rajamahal Vilas Extension, site at Hunsur, shares, jewellery and cash .... 2j54j555 44.333

Memorandum submitted by Polyester (b) The representation of the Poly­ Users Association of India ester Users Association of India is under consideration. 2895. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD VERMA: WM VT Pi'nTrf SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: 2896. fag : Will the Minister of FINANCE AND sptt ■jfa fftr REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: fr : (a) whether a delegation of Polyes­ ter Users Association of India has re­ (ap) SRT arpST % 7T cently submitted a memorandum to Government; and srfasra *nr f « r f a ^f, 5ft 5 3 * WT (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ ment thereon? I;

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (^ ) a r a' \ AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Yes Sir. ? 79 Written Answers JULY 8, 1877 Written Answers 8o •

Cooperative Spinning Mills nqt't sfa *TnTT fwiVT *Tt^ ^

2897. DR. BAPU KALDATY: Will the WcTH fa< Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: (^f) TOT (T13TWR) f^«TR (a) the number of cooperative ?RT srTJT ifft fepft iTff spinning mills in the country, State- wise; and 'Jiii ^ Rnrfr mr<,ji i *?t =tt- (b) the production figures of these TTfr JPT5T7 STlft q^TT^ ffcft mills for the year 1976? I; THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) Number of cooperative spinning («j) TOT mills sfcatewise, is as under:— if (TOR SJTTfej f%T

^ Sfk No. of State spinning Mills (*T) TOT HTTTT 31^ * 1. Andhra Pradtsh 5 2. Gujarat 5 3- Karnataka 4 w r r wh: h ttt f w m *nft («ft 4- Kerala I ‘ Madhya Pradesh I ^S'Ttrm V tfw ) : (w ) fr (n ): wtzi t Maharashtra 19 % f5frf 8. Rajasthan I | TWj f f v R ’ % 9- Tamil Nadu . 13 f a s w ? ^ w«er ft*r ft«rfa % 10. Uttar Pradesh . I +TV*I| +1 wAlM % ftrcr STM H l1*!- II. West Bengal . I efsr

Development of places ftn North- “Hamilton” H'angar at Jaipur Airport Eastern Region as Centres of Tourism 2900. SHRI ROBIN SEN: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 2899. SHRIMATI RENUKA DEVI AVIATION be pleased to state: BARKATAKI: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be (a) whether Government are aware pleased to state: that the “Hamilton” hangar at Jaipur (a) thf names of places in North- airport has been dismantled and the Eastern Region that are being deve­ trusses and sheets are lying stacked loped as centres of tourism; and at the airport;

(b) the steps taken to develop these (b) if so, the reasons therefor and centres sc as to attract tourists there? who is responsible for it; THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL .AVIATION (SHRI PURU- (c) the loss incurred; and SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). Due mair !y to the restrictions on the (d) the steps taken to punish the entry of foreigners into the North- culprits involved in the matter? Eastern Kegion, international tourism has not developed as rapidly in this THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND region as in other regions. Certain CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- areas of North-Eastern Region such as SHOTTAM KAUSHIK); (a) to (d). Kaziranga (Assam) and Shillong The matter is under enquiry and facts (Meghalaya) have been partially de­ of the case will be placed on the table restricted recently for the visit of of Sabha. international tourists for a period of 7 and 15 days respectively. However, even in these cases intending tourists are required to follow specified routes. Malabar Spinning and Weaving Mill, Within the available resources cer- Calicut jtaih tourism schemes were taken up in this region in the Central Sector. As a 2901. DR. V. A. SEYID MUHAM­ result, a youth hostel at Darjeeling and MAD' Will the Minister of COM­ a forest lodge each at Kaziranga and MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES Jaldapara have been constructed. The AND COOPERATION be pleased to existing tourist bungalow at Darjeeling state what help the Central Govern­ has been expanded and provision has ment propose to extend in the role of been mad * for transport. a ‘Catalyst” to the Government of Kerala if that Government takes over In addition, the Department of Malabar Spinning and Weaving Mill Tourism is contemplating to construct in Calicut which has been closed for two youth hostels, one each at Gangtok a long time causing unemployment of (Sikkim) and the other at Shillong about one thousand workers? (Meghalaya) in the remaining period of the Fifth Five Year Plan. India Tourism Development Corporation are THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND also contemplating to construct a 50 CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ bed hotel at Gauhati. TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): If a financially viable proposal for Selected places of tourist interest in reopening of the Malabar Spinning and the North-Eastern Region are covered weaving Mills under its management for publicity in thte tourist literature is received from the State Government, brought out by the Department of thfe Central Government would extend all possible necessary assistance. Tourism. 83 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 84

Evasion of Income-Tax by Private completed by the Minor Ports Sur­ Blood Banks vey Organisation of the Ministry of Shipping and Transport. 2902. DR. SARADISH ROY: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE Meanwhile Government of Goa, AND BANKING be pleased to state: Daman and Diu has put up inexpensive accommodation at Calangute Beach (a) whether Government are aware and Colva Beach. that there is a large-scale evasion of income-tax in the private blood banks in the ccuntry; and Memorandum from Kerala State Electronic Development Corpora­ (b) if so, the steps taken to check tion it? 2904. SHRI M. N. GOVINDAN NAIR: THE MINISTER OF FINANCE Will the Minister of FINANCE AND AND REVENUE AND BANKING REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). A to state: case of suspected evasion of tax by a (a) whether the Kerala State Elec­ private bl>od bank has come to notice. tronic Development Corporation has Necessary enquiries are being made. urged Central Government to exempt public sector marketing agencies the “Keltron” from excise duty; and Develc pment of Tourism in Goa (b) if so, Government’s decision thereon? 2903. SHRI EDUARDO FALE1RO Will the Minister of TOURISM AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE CIVIL A\ EATION be pleased to state: AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Central (a) whether Government are Government do not appear to have aware that Goa has great tourism po­ received any Memorandum from the tential and attracts large number of Keraia State Electronic Development national as well as foreign tourists; Corporation. and (b) The Government had examined (b) the steps Government contem­ this question independently, and con­ plate to lake to develop tourism cessional excise duty rates have been prescribed, as part of 1977 Budget pro­ there? posals, on radios and transistor sets THE MINISTER OF TOURISM manufactured in small scale units on AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PU- behalf of a State Electronic Develop­ (RUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and ment Corporation. (b). For the development of tourism in Goa, particularly beach tourism, Flying of Aircraft of Indian Airlines the Government of Goa, Daman and by Diu propose to set up a statutory Goa Tourism Development Authority. The 2905. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will proposal envisages that this authority the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL will be financed jointly by the Cen­ AVIATION be pleased to state: tral Government and the Government of Goa, Daman and Diu. (a) whether Shri Sanjay Gandhi, son of the erstwhile Prime Minister, Shrimati , making use A hydrographic survey of beach of his mother's official position used areas in Goa has been undertaken to to illegally fly aircraft of Indian Air­ identify the areas for aquatic sports. lines; Part of the work has already been 85 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written AfttftMflV ( 86

(b) if so, on how many occasions Less than one year io9 he did that; and Between 1-2 yeais 57 Between 2-3 years 30 (c) what action Government pro­ 3 years and above 28 pose to take against the erstwhile Prime Minister and her son? The need to avoid delays in dealing with these proceedings at all levels and THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND at all points was emphasised at the CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU- last Conference of Commissioners of SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). Income-tax held at New Delhi in the According to the report of Shri V. first week of June, 1977. Chellappa, Director of Air Safety, Civil Aviation Department, Shri Sanjay A certain amount of delay occurs Gandhi occupied the Pilot’s seat of an by reason of the elaborate procedure Indian Airlines’ Aircraft during the prescribed under the Central Civil flight from Hyderabad to Tirupati and Services (Classification, Control & Vijayawada on 25-12-1976 but he did Appeal) Rules, 1965, for dealing with not manipulate the controls of the air­ such cases. craft. No other case has come to the notice of Indian Airlines. 1 The disposal of cases against officers takes time mainly because more than (c) Necessary action has been initi­ one organisation, such as, the Central ated by the Director General of Civil Bureau of Investigation, the Central Aviation against Shri Sanjay Gandhi Vigilance Commission, and the Union for violation of the Aircraft Rules, Public Service Commission, are associ­ 1937. ated at various stages in the processing of a case.

Nevertheless, in order to expedite Disposal of Vigilance Cases in Income disposal of such cases, time limits for Tax Department completion of action at various stages 2906. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: have been laid down. It is being en­ Will the Minister of FINANCE AND sured that charge sheets are framed REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased properly to obviate the possibility o£ the issues getting confused and thereby to state: causing delay. Appropriate directions (a) whether the disposal of a num­ have also been given to the enquiry ber of vigilance cases in the Income officers and the disciplinary authorities Tax Department has been delayed; enjoining on them the need to expedite the processing of the cases. and

(b) if so, the number of cases Harassment by Bombay Customs to pending and steps taken for their Indians coming from Gulf countries early disposal? 2907. SHRI V. M. SUDHEERAN: THE MINISTER OF FINANCE SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). The Will the Minister of FINANCE AND number of cases of departmental pro­ REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased ceedings, including vigilance cases in­ to state: volving allegations of lack of integrity, pending in the Income Tax Department, (a) whether Government have re­ is 224. ceived any complaints about haras3- ments by the Bombay cusfoms of the The age-wise break up of the pending Indians coming from the Gulf coun­ cases is as follows:— tries; and $7 ‘ Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 88 (b) if so, what action has been taken (c) Depending upon the facts and • on these complaints? circumstances of each case, suitable - steps are taken from time to time by THE MINISTER OF FINANCE the Income-tax authorities concerned AND REVENUE AND BANKING for recovery of tax arrears in accord­ (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). ance with the provisions of Chapter Some complaints about delays and XVII-D of the Income-tax Act, 1961 difficulties in customs clearance, ex­ read with the second Schedule thereof. perienced by the Indians coming from the Gulf countries, were received. The specific complaints have been looked Suspension of Trade Union Leader's in into. In most of the cases, the com­ Premchand Jute Mill plainants were found to have imported goods in excess of the permissible limits 2909. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: -and this led to delay in clearance. Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND' CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ Various measures such as augmen­ TION be pleased to state: tation of customs staff; review of the (a) whether Government are aware rules and instructions; simplification of that the management of Premchand clearance procedure; and more effective Jute Mill has suspended 59 trade uni­ supervision have been taken to solve on leaders and activists last year the difficulties of bonafide passengers. even without paying subsistence al­ lowance to frighten the workmen so that they surrender to the wage-cut; 'and Arrears of income-tax above Rs. 10 . lakhs against firms/individuals (b) if so, the steps taken to witn- draw their suspension? 2908. SHRI KAN WAR L A I GUPTA Will the Minister of FINANCE AND THE MINISTERPF COMMERCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ to state': TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) 59 workers of Premchand Mill, which is under lock out at present as (a) the names and addresses of the a result of industrial dispute, were companies, firms and individuals suspended by the management on against whom income-tax demands charges of alleged assault, go-slow and above Rs. 10 lakhs are pending; indisciplinary conduct. (b) the period from which these j (b) Some workers have been taken demands are pending; and back since then and 37 workers are reportedly under suspension at present. (c) what action has been taken by The Government of West Bengal is Croverhment to recover-that amount? taking steps to resolve the industrial dispute. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING Foreign Accounts in Swiss Banks (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) The names of all persons against whom income- 2910. SHRI DURGA CHAND: Will tax demands exceeding Rs.7 10 lakhs the Minister of FINANCE AND REVE­ were pending as on 30-6-1976 are given NUE AND BANKING be pleased to in the Statement laid on the Table of state: the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-645/77.] (a) whether thl foreign accounts in Swiss banks are kept under some (b) This information is not readily code system and the accounts are not available. disclosed; 89 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers

(b) if so, the facts thereof; In the discussions in the UN Group of Experts on Tax Treaties between (c) whether Government are ir Developed and Developing Countries, possession of information that there India has been advocating that ihe ar­ are accounts kept by Indians in Swiss ticle on 'Exchange of Information’ in banks; if so, the particulars thereof; a double taxation avoidance agree­ ment between any two countries (d) whether the Government have should be fairly comprehensive so as ever taken up the matter with the to enable the contracting states to get Swiss Government regarding disclo­ as much information as is possible. sure of accounts kept'by Indians in India has also been advocating that these banks, if so, with what results; pending conclusion of a comprehen­ and sive double taxation avoidance agree­ ment, limited agreements providing for (e) whether Government are con­ exchange-of information may be con­ templating to take up this matter at cluded. Both India and Switzerland are some international forum; and if so, members of this Group. the details thereof? No tangible results have, however been achieved so far. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). fWMT OT ffTO VT Yes, Sir. According to the information available, in case of such accounts only 2 91?. Mt ^ HNIOT nr*ar : an account number is given but the srh firtt ct*tt Trsre* r ifa n wrft identity of the owner is not recorded in the bank ledgers. For withdrawals ^ fhHI I normally a code is used and the per­ son who orders withdrawal has to sign 1976 d't* f^r^T 4H in code which is compared with a *TT

(c) Yes, Sir. However, the informa­ tion is of general nature and no specific *;? information is available regarding the ‘numbered accounts’ being maintained fiw ?WT iftr jffw. •Toft by Indians in banks in Switzerland. (sft X^o trqO qin) : (*>) 1 *sNrr (d) and (e). With a view to get de­ 1977 ^ firptT tails of such accounts, if any, talks «Ft a vrere held from 28th June to 2nd July 1976 with officials of the Swiss Gov­ w ?ft% st nf I ernment for purposes of concluding a comprehensive double taxation avoid­ viit

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overseas and domestic tourists i5 a desirable objective because it leads STfiTT to better friendly contacts and cul­ *TRft | I tural exchanges among the people of the world. x>- Seminar on promotion of Tourism 4. It is necessary for every coun­ 2914. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN; Will try to take a pre-policy _ decision the Minister of TOURISM AND whether it really wants to promote CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to tourism as part of its economic state: development; if so, what level of priority it wants to assign to it and (a) whether a World Tourism Or­ what type of tourism it wants to ganisation’s Seminar on the promo­ promote. tion of tourism was held in New Delhi during the third week of April; and 5. If tourism is to be developed successfully, it should be given at least the same priority and incen­ (b) if so, the facts regarding the tives as are available to other im­ main recommendations made by this portant segments of the economy. seminar?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 6. In any event, the need for plan­ /M D CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ning antf managing the growth of PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) tourism is recognised both to derive Yes, Sir. the maximum economic and social benefits and to avoid pollution of (b) The conclusions and recom­ and damage to environment. It mendations of the seminar on “Pro­ would be the business of the deci­ motion of Tourism Product” held in sion makers to select a plan which New Delhi from April 19—22, 1977 triggers off economic and social under the auspices of World Tourism benefits because tourism for the sake Organisation broadly are as follows: of tourism is otherwise a sterile exercise. 1. Developing countries should evolve a strategy whereby they can create the necessary facilities 7. It was ob«erved that carefully planned tourist projects on the basis required by affluent tourists as well as the middle and low income of reliable feasibility studies have j*roup of visitors, whether foreign seldom proved unprofitable. As a or domestic. result, tourism projects now enjoy sufficient prestige to be able to at­ tract funds from financial institu­ % 2. However, in relation to the tions, cooperative societies and Pri~ overseas visitors, particularly from vate investors. industrialised societies, there is need to define more precisely the meaning of terms such as middle 8. It is not possible to lay down and low income groups in terms of a definite form or structure for a the price structure of the receiv­ National Tourism Organisation. It ing countries. was recognised that the structure of an NTO would largely be determin­ 3. A rational blend of infrastruc­ ed by the administrative and econo­ ture and facilities created for mic norms of each country. 95 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 - Written Answers

9. The need for motivational re- views,. so as to meet the demands of search was generally accepted, parti- a changing market. cularly, in relation to different types of destinations. 17. A system-approach in the designing of a marketing p_rogramme 10. Product development should which involves fixing of priorities take into account the wants of the and deadlines, back-up services and customer. In this context it is con- reporting procedures was strongly sidered advisable thN; governmental · recommended. or other authorities _responsible for the development of tourism infra- 18. Paid advertising in consumer structure and facilities should con- media in tourism generating coun- sult the servicing agents such as tries was considered beyond the tour operators, carriers and hoteliers reach of many developing countries. right through all the stages of plan- It was urged to make greater use of ning. PR techniques.

11. One of the definite needs of 19. The concensus was that regio- the tourist industry is to develop nal and intra-regional tourism in professionalism. It is not the lack South Asia and in East Asia and the of resources or education but the Pacific has not been developed to lack of acquaintance with the pro- the extent that it has in certain duct and the lack of marketing ex- other areas of the world, partly for perience which has inhibited the lack of promotion but Itiainly be- growth of P,_rofessionalism among cause several Governments have not the NTOs and the tourist industry relaxed travel formalities or accep- because professionalism would in- ted the concept of Freedom of volve marketing experience and Travel. knowledge of the product. Training programmes should be instituted in Fuintnioning Of Perb:oke and\ Vah every country and marketing offi- Takvar Tea Gardens cers, in particular, should be requir- ed to undergo forma1 training periodically. 2915. SHRI K. B. CHETTRI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA- 12. There should be sufficient dele_ TION be pleased to state: gation of powers to overseas officers and they should be encouraged to (a) the budget allotment of Per- make decisions. hoke and Vah Takvar Tei! gardens whose management were taken over 13. Statistics should be carefully by Governmenl with regard to health analysed before they are used a-~ a and housing for the year 1976-77 and marketing tool. 1977-78; 14. Research should be done on a (b) whether the above tea gardens continuous basis. Since reliable re- are not running according to the Plan- search is highly expensive, it would tation Labour Act;. and be advisable to undertake research studies on a co-operative basis. (c) if so, the reasons thereof? THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE 15. The policy of not exaggerating AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- the quality of the product is recom- OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- mended. RIA): (a) Tea Trading Corporation o!India Ltd.· took over management 16. A marketing programme of Pasbok Tea Estate and Valr Tukvar should be subjected to periodic re- Tea. Estate on 12th October, 1976. The W"itten AnsweT3 97 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) W"itten Answers

as to meet the demands of expenditure incurred during 1976-77 proposed for 1977-78 on Health· and 19 market. (subject to finalisation after audit) Housing for these two gardens is as. after the take-over i.e, 12-10-1976 and under:- ystem-approach in the 'of a marketing programma volves fixing of priorities 1976-77 lines, back-up services and Health Housing Hcusir g procedures was strongly ided, Pashok 21,000 47,000 57,000 :1 advertising in consumer tourism generating coun- Vah Tukvar 6,500 7,000 22,500 considered beyond the many developing countries, Provisions for 1976-77 prior to take- THE MINISTER OF FINANCE ged to make greater Use of over could not be ascertained from A "~D J-i;EVENUE AND BANKING iques. the available records left by the pre- (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). vious management. No return of income has been filed by concensug was that regie- the Party for the period beginning intra-regional tourism in (b) and (c). Prior to the take-over, from 1-1-75 to 31-12-75. As such, the a and in East Asia and the the previous management was not amounts of contributions given by the IS not been developed to observing many of the obligations en- companies are not available. For .t that it has in certain joined under the Plantation Labour assessment years 1976-77 and 1977-78, as of the world, partly for Act. TTCI now is making every effort notices calling for returns of income rromotion but mainly be- to observe these provisions and fulfil are being issued. During the asess- eral Governments haVe not the obligations to the maximum extent ment proceedings the necessary parti- ravel formalities or accep- possible. The obligations fulfilled so culars will be obtained and considered concept of Freedom of far include distributiOn of firewood while computing the income of the Party. and -fuel, annual repairs to quarters and tubewells, hospital and medical Of Perhoke and! Vah facilities, maternity benefits providing (c) No tax has been paid by the kvar Tea Gardens Creche, distribution of blankets and during the aprons, deduction and deposit of Pro- said yar. UK. B, CHETTRI: Will vident Fund. rr of COMMERCE AND 'PLIES AND COOPERA- mtI"'fi<: f<{"lTfT e:T<:T~<: ~ it leased to state: { Payment of Income-tax by Indian writ budget allotment of Per- National} Congresn Vah Takvar '[ea- gardens 2917. l!.lT ~f~ -:

fafcrft ^ST TV »T5Wft % ?T^ of the same having taken place this year. PnrnrS f*r^t «ft; sfa Legislation already exists relating (n ) Jrfe 5T, eft ftffiPTrff rf ^ ? commodities. The State Governments have also powers under the Essential far.' fwr TI3R* w > 3rfa*r Commodities Act to check such anti­ social activities. («ft i»*to qzH) : (*r) ^•Tvrsa ^ T T % S T O , iTPT ^ jrrfij- Lest a contrived shortfall in sup­ plies should result in a temporary %TfR!^rlf lanr^, 1976% spurt in prices, the Minister for Civil 15 1977 5W ^ ?T*fiT *T.282 Supplies had in a meeting of the re­ *r crsrrsrt rr# jt h presentatives of trade, industry, poli­ tical parties and Trade Unions, con­ 4+5% wriiHiffl l vened by him, called upon business interests to see to it that the flow of wrr w r 4 ^ % *r fort goods continued at normal levels both sqftrT Tf ftTVTTR: vr 4)14+7 ^ffST- before and after the presentation of the Budget. He had further urged f^«nr 1 96i 3r

2918. SHRI BALSAHEB VIKHE Disclosures by Chief Minister and PATIL: Will the Minister of FIN­ other Ministers of Karnataka under ANCE AND REVENUE AND BAN­ voluntary disclosure scheme KING be pleased to state: 2919. SHRI S. NANJESHA (a) whether .Government are aware GOWDA: that even before announcement of taxes the retailers had already in­ SHRI KANWAR LAL creased the prices of the items on GUPTA: which the taxes were levied by Gov­ ernment; and Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas­ (b) if so, what steps Government ed to state: propose to countercheck this for future? (a) whether the Chief Minister and some of the Ministers of Karnataka THE MINISTER OF FINANCE State and their family members made AND REVENUE AND BANKING a declaration under voluntary disclo­ (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). sure scheme; and While there have been occasions in (bj) if so, the names of the Minis­ the past where retailers had raised ters and their family members and the prices of certain commodities in the value of movable and immovable anticipation of the Budget, there is properties and the amount of cash so little evidence with the Government disclosed? 101 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers I02

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND +r4v* % *tft % 3f, REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). Neither c^rnr (^-snrWzfhm) fon;sR% the Chief Minister nor any other sppT fffjrfnr strtct w f t t % Minister of Karnataka State has made a disclosure under the Voluntary Dis­ £F3R ^ c?nPr*T m ^RTW R ^ closure Scheme, 1975. fiPTT t I VKZX <*TR (*J-5PTt*r ^rt^r^rr) 75% ^ f^raffer ^jfirsrrsff “Tr The wife, daughters and sons-in- law of the Chief Minister have also ^^TR-frofcir rnrt q^fcRufiii srraiviHr not made any disclosure. | 1 t o g?tr % srrair qr, *TRRT T f^ R , TRt, f^T^ft Rf Pi^Ih JTTT f^TT 3TRT | ir?r sFr^^rrft f^^r^cT ^ 1 (^3rR viku) cfoHirfkift ^TcRlf r t stRt itrt 2,000/- % ^f«(H 5nFtj spr ?rhr^ fhrr t 1 1 9 7 6 -7 7 2920. : ^TT % ^ftTR #917^ 18,687.55^7^ ?rk ^rnr 86, 000. 00 w ? fa : I 1977—78 sm % ^ T R ^TT3T ^ ?TR cT^T^nr 5,000 - ^TT WdH firnMI ^TtT- 2ft | HiaY rTT^T R fM F’T ^!T Tfojfa !TTcrT W TR WZ f e w 35 ^TCT 5tRrfe^T | I if sfft gflraT % f^rcr fa^rn; | f ^ r srfsnr ^ • Export of drinking water t0 Saudi Arabia

PFflT *r%; srft; 2921. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH MALIK: 'Will the Minister of COM­ MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND (^ ) Hn^fl (^ tTT st^tt) COOPERATION be pleased to state: ^ (a) whether any agreement has % f%rr^r ?rfirenft ^ N r r t ftraw been signed between the Governments I ^T% t

Representation for extending date of ( 9 ) tfir $r, tfr f r o Production of Ftanisslofc of textile Commissioner in case of qtWMWli

2922. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: I ; ^ Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ (*T) r+«M'f OPERATION be pleased to state:

(a) whether representations have been made to Government to extend the date by which the powerlooms farT cTTT (l« W afflp*T were to produce to the Central Ex­ (* t x&o qsw) : (*0 srnr? cise authorities the written permission m rfh r srfwra 20 *tft? of the Textile Commissioner for work­ ing powerlooms in order that licences f?fa 5irf®RT f^PFRT may be retained for the manufacture Ppw— qfWm t o t % o f unprocessed cotton fabrics; and 3ft 'RTTcT HT taken thereon? ^ aft W T R Sfiff ^t I ^ I AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DFA- {m) TTftr w ?fa R IA ): (a) Yes, Sir. yrfefr irtr form s w w iftR T (b) As per the budget proposals of ir wm %% 3T?r foprcr sftr 1977-78 introduced in Parliament, errPn^r f^trf s m *r *r compounded duty on powerlooms has been completely abolished and hence­ % ftnnt *ftr tspt

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Exports from Calcutta Port sft flfto «TT§o fC TH : 2924. SHRI K. A. RAJ AN: Will W farT OTT TT3F* tffa tfipir *Tsft the Minister of FINANCE AND RE­ VENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state:

(V) WT 3T? ^ | (a) whether crores of rupees in foreign exchange have been lost as a result of continued under-invoicing % fair 20 + 0 ^ ^ ^T of exports from Calcutta Port during ferr | ; the last five years; 105 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1890 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

(b) if so, the facts thereof; and

(c) what effective measures are wroifira sq- proposed to be taken to put an end to this menace? VTPTT

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING 2926- wra Taw : wr (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). Customs Department has the requisite a«n snnfr* vltt arrangements and expertise for check­ Hal f>TT f$ : ing the correctness of export values. Although there have been some cases l. where under-valuation of exports has been detected by the Calcutta Custom ( ^ ) Trsqr ®rnt r House in the past few years and these q r q>*ff srm ftRt cases have been dealt with under the law, there is nothing to indicate that HTOft ^TH<1®Er TRft WT q>ftf crores of rupees in foreign exchange ^ HPT ^ t fa have been lost as a result of continued *RTRT 3TT&; under-invoicing of exports from Calcutta. 1 (*?) *Tfk fTT, ^ft ^ ft TT^T oTPTR pTW ^R^TR Effect of Import Policy on Industry ^rr ^ ? 2925. SHRI PRASANNBHAI MEH­ TA: Will the Minister of COM­ MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND *rf*Fnr W T ?TT*TfTV j f a *\t *T£- COOPERATION be pleased to state: VTferi (tit HtgH HTfTm) : (sjr) (*?). TTHT 3TTTR fft*PT (a) whether the new import policy has not helped the growth of Industry R«r 4)Ht qft HRT TTft in the country to its expectations; qfl" ^PT 'Tjjff qRrTT I H TR2T eqj-

qR qrr wq’ft ftmr tt^ t (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(c) whether any modifications are being considered? tt? i ^ T T I I STRTRT jftRr ft ^ft | fa m THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE qftf HpffaR°r sp fw 5 3 5 ^ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ % ^T^TRi ^ft Mhti ft cHT RIA): (a) to (c). It is too early to srrer q^R®r T qRft vt various elements of the industrial * 5V farfa ft ?>, f t t development strategy. An evaluation wzrfim snrR^rtl' ft of the import policy will be under­ taken in due course when the modi­ ffer^f ^5% *n*r % ftter ?tptrt qft fications, which appear necessary in tft % wz «+dT the light of experience, wilj be con­ sidered. I I 107 t Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 v. Written Answers iogi

Availability of Subsidies and Conces­ the rubber growers Government have sions for Rubber Export taken any decision about allowing the export of rubber; and

2927. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will (b) if so, the facts thereof? the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE TION be pleased to state: AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- (a) whether Government of Kerala RIA): (a) and (b). Government have has requested the Central Government already allowed the export o f 21,000 to classify natural rubber as a regular tonnes of rubber which was surplus export item and make available in the country- Consequently the various subsidies and concessions from price of lot rubber (Grades 3, 4 and the Market Development Fund of which came down to Rs. 520/- per Government of India; and quintal in October, 76 has now im­ proved to around Rs. 600/- per quintal (b) if so, the reaction of Central as against the minimum price of Government thereto? Rs. 520/- per quintal for grade I rubber fixed by the Government. A THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE proposal for raising the minimum / AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ notified price is also under considera­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- tion. HIA): (a) Yes, Sir. Development of Tourism in Andaman (b) Till recently India was an im­ and Nicobar Islands porter of rubber. As from 1st April, 1973, import of rubber was banned. 2929. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAK- Since then, upto 1974-75, the produc­ TA: Will the Minister of TOURISM tion and consumption were more less AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased balanced leaving very small surpluses. to state: In 1975-76 and 1976-77, the surplus was significant enough to depress in­ (a) whether Government propose to ternal prices and so Government develop tourism in Andaman and authorised the export of 21,000 tonnes Nicobar Islands; of rubber last year. The annual (b) if so, what are the proposals; surplus of about 12,000 tonnes is only a small portion of the overall con- (c) whether a large number of sumpton of natural rubber and foreign tourists visit Andaman; and synthetic rubber in the country. As such the time has not yet been (d') whether any big hotel is pro­ reached to regard rubber as a tradi­ posed to be constructed there and if tional export commodity. so* when?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM Export of Rubber AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). Due to restrictions placed on 2928. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will the visit of foreign tourists to these the Minister of COMMERCE AND Islands and constraint on resources, CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ development proposals at present ar« TION be pleased to state: for providing cottage and dormitory type of accommodation for middle (a) whether taking into account de­ income group tourist strength ening clining trend in the price of natural of tourism organisation of the Admin­ rubber and the resultant hardship to istration, providing publicity mate­ 109 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Written Answers IIO

rial, and improving transport facili­ workers of Rubber Plantation at ties. Kachal, Nicobar District against mis­ use of powers by the Officers of Rub­ (c) During 1976. the number of ber Board during emergency; foreign tourists who visted the Anda­ (b) if so, what are the charges and man Islands was 92. action taken thereon; (d j Government do not propose to (c) whether services of a number construct any hotel in the Islands. of workers were terminated during However, Department of Tourism has emergency with fake charges; and received two proposals from piivate (d) if so, action being taken for parties for approval 0f hotal project* their reinstatement? at Port Blair. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ Opening of a Branch of State Bank at OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- Diglipur, North Andaman R IA ): (a) No, Sir.

2930. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAK- (b) Does not arise. TA: Will the Minister of FINANCE (c) and (d). The enquiries so far AND REVENUE AND BANKING be made by the Government reveal that pleased to state: no worker of the rubber plantation at Kachal has been removed from (a) when Government took decision service on fake charges during the to open a branch of State Bank at emergency. However, services of one Diglipur, North Andaman; and worker had been terminated by Rubber Board on 31st May, 1976 on (b) whether the branch has since the advice from the Andaman and been opened and if so, when? Nicobar Administration, as the con­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE cerned family was not inducted into AND REVENUE AND BANKING the island under any scheme of the (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (b). Government. Another worker was The Reserve Bank of India have re­ dismissed from service on 19th Feb­ ported that a licence to open a branch ruary, 1977 for rioting and abusing at Diglipur, North Andaman, was superior officers. This action was issued to the State Bank of India on taken by the Board after the worker February 24, 1970. The Bank lias was found guilty after holding a De­ not, however, been able to open its partmental enquiry. The dismissed worker has submitted an appeal which office at this place due to lack of certain infrastructural facilities. Con­ is under consideration of the Rubber sidering these difficulties the Reserve Board. Bank have been extending the validity If any case of victimisation is period of the licence upto December # brought to the notice of the Govern­ 30, 1977. ment it will Be enquired into.

Representation from Workers of Rub­ Proposal to Open Regional Office of ber Plantation at Kafchal, Nicobar Chief Controller of Imports and Ex­ District ports at Gwalior 2931. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAK- 2932. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- TA: Will the Minister of COMMERCE DIA: Will the Minister of COM- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ _ MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND OPERATION be pleased to state* COOPERATION be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have re­ (a) whether a proposal for opening ceived any representation from the a Regional Office of the Chief Con­ I l l Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers troller of Imports and Exports at Gwa­ Gwalior and including Jabalpur and lior is under consideration of Govern­ Raipur on two days a week. ment; and (b) No, Sir. (b) if so, when it is expected to be opened? (c) and (d). Indian Airlines are examining the possibility of including THE MINISTER OF COMMERCI Gwalior on the routing on Tuesdays AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ and Thursdays when the flight ope­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- rates via Jabalpur and Raipur. R IA): (a) No, Sir. A regional offic* « to serve the needs of Madhya Pradesfc and adjoining areas has been estab­ Proposal for A Halt 0f I.A. Flights to lished at Bhopal with effect from 1st Khajuraho at Gwalior April, 1977. 2934. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- (b) Does not arise. DIA: Will the Minister of TOUR­ ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be Air Service Facility in Gwalior Re. pleased to state whether Government gion are considering any proposal for a halt of the Indian Airlines* flights to 2933. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- Khajuraho at Gwalior? D IA ): Will the Minister of TOUR­ ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be THE MINISTER OF TOURISM pleasd to state: AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI (a) whether diversion of IC-459/460 PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): No, Delhi-Gwalior-Bhopal-Indore Bombay Sir. Indian Airlines are not con­ to Jabalpur and Raipur on Tuesday sidering any such proposal at present. and Thursday in the week has not de­ prived Gwalior-Region of existing air Development of Gwalior and Gwalior service facility; Region as a Tourist Centre

(b) whether passengers going to 2935. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- Indore or Bombay from Delhi or DIA: Will the Minister of TOURISM Bhopal on Tuesday and Thursday are AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to to pay higher fare apart from the state: extra time involved in going through Jabalpur and Raipur; (a) whether a proposal for develop­ ment of Gwalior and Gwalior-Region (c) whether representation has as a tourist centre is under the con­ been received by Government in this sideration of Government; and regard; and (b) if so, salient features thereof? (d) if so, the reaction of Govern­ ment thereon? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM jAND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI THE MINISTER OF TOURISM PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI and (b). There is no proposal at pre­ PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) sent under consideration of the Cen­ In order to provide much needed air tral Government for the development connections in Eastern Madhya Pra­ of Gwalior and Gwalior-Region as desh, the route of Indian Airlines daily a tourist centre. However, the follow­ HS-748 service IC-459/460 Delhi- ing two suggestions received by the Qw$Qior-Bhopal-Indore-Bombay and Central Government are under con­ return was readjusted by omitting sideration. H 3 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers *14

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(*T) Jrfe ff, eft ^ « T W - Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION be pleased to state: M^d'1 sftr 5THR finTPFT *H t («ft (a) the total production of card­ J W iW ) : (^>) amom, coffee (all varieties) and rub­ ti'rct. if M^ld^l 5>rsft % f^RiTH WT ber during the last three years;

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H T 9 R q T f W F ^TRTT ^ I f t f t (c) the steps taken to encourge more production? *ft RTR if 7W& ftr IRR^fhT qtf- THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE *rrf, yf^nft, *rNt, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ sftTRT ^TT *T>r^T T T^ T OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- fasrra *rff, iwtf, RIA): (a) The prduction of coffee cm qrft ^t ^rc^rrf *rrfe % (both arabica and robusta), rubber and cardamom during the last three gfwrsfr ^t q^ ft ^t st years (1974-75 to 1976-77) are given ^ | 1 below: I I 5 Written Answers ^ JULY 8, 1977 **' * 'Written Answers n 6

(in tonnes)

Commodity 1974-75 1975-76 1976-77

COFFEE

Arabica .... 49.700 64.013 Robusta 34.300 36.438 92,500 84,000 • 100,451

RUBBER ...... 130,143 137.750 I! 149.632 CARDAMOM 2,900 3,ooo R2.100 (b) The average prices realised by the growers of the three commodities are given below: — COFFEE (Rs. per 50 Kgs.) Plant A ...... 432-80 660■00 480-00*

Arabics Cherry AB ..... 434 96 640 03 420-oo*

Robusta Cherry AB 358-79 700 59 372-00* only par1 payments so far effected. RUBBER 849 00 744 00 596 00 (Rs./quintal)

CARDAMOM 76-24 8645 158.46 (Rs./kg.)

(c) The Commodity Boards are im­ (3) Supply of Equipment and Machi­ plementing the following schemes to- nery on Hire Purchase terms— encourage more production of these commodities: — Items of equipment and machinery are made available to growers on hire purchase terms to help them improve production and quality of coffee Coffee: (1) Loan for intensive cultiva­ tion:— (4) Loans and subsidyfor replant- ing: — Financial assistance of long-term nature is given to growers to adopt Long-term loans to large growers improved methods of cultivation and and loan-cum-subsidy to small grow­ to increase the yield of coffee from ers are advanced for replacement of their holdings. their old and uneconomic coffee plants with high-yielding disease-resistant strains. (2) Loans for orking capital :— (5) Special Purpose Loans: — Loans are advanced to growers whose holdings do not exceed 100 Medium-term loans are provided to acres in extent, and who find it diffi­ small growers for undertaking special cult to get financial accommodation for development measures like sinking working capital from traditional sour­ wells, construction of drying yards, ces like banks etc. soil conservation etc. 117 Written Answers ASADHA 17. 1899 (SAKA) written 'Answers n g

Rubber: (2) Replanting Finance Scheme:— (1) Replanting Subsidy: — Loans are granted to planters for For replantation of old uneconomic rejuvenation of their old and uneco­ areas under rubber with high-yielding nomic cardamom plantations. strains, a subsidy ranging between Rs. (3) Katte Control Scheme: — 7,500 per hectare and Rs. 3,000 per hectare is paid to the growers de­ Katte disease affeceted cardamom pending on the size of their holdings/ plants are uprooted and destroyed an^ estates. disease-free seedings are supplied t cardamom growers in their place free (2) Supply of Fertilizers Mixture: — of cost. Fertilisers and pesticides are An additional incentive is given to also supplied as part of compensation small growers who undertake planting/ for the loss sustained by the growers. replanting under the Rubber Board’s schemes by way of supply of fertili­ (4) Demonstration Plots:— zer mixture. Demonstration Blots are established in private plantations to educate car­ (3) Supply of Planting materials free damom growers about the benefits of of cost or at concessional rates: — improved and scientific methods of cul­ Additional assistance is given to tivation. small growers under replanting sub­ sidy scheme by way of supply of high (5) Departmental Nursery Scheme: — yielding planting materials free of Departmental nurseries have been cost or at concessional rates. started for supplying at cost price disease-free high-yielding cardamom (4) Loan Schemes: — seedlings to the growers. Loans are granted to small holders for expanding their holdings to eco­ (6) Soil Testing Unit: — nomic units and for their maintenance A soil testing laboratory has been during immaturity period. established to collect soil samples (5) Loans to Co-operative Societies: from different parts of the cardamom growing tracts and test them for giv­ Financial and Technical Assistance ing suitable fertiliser recommendation is extended to Co-operative Societies to the planters. for purchase and distribution of rub­ ber rollers to their small holders’ mem­ Export Development PIans from States bers. 2938. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will (6) Subsidy on Smoke House: — th Minister of COMMERCE AND Subsidy is paid lo small holders for CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ construction of smoke-houses for im­ TION be pleased to state: proved processing of rubber. (a) whether several state Govern­ (7) Spraying Subsidy: — ments have formulated export dev- Subsidy is paid to small holders elopment plans for optimum exploita­ of rubber for spraying o? their rub­ tion of their export potential; and ber areas. (b) if so, the main features there­ of? Cardamom: THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (1) Hire-Purchase Scheme: — AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ Sprinkler irrigation equipments are OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- given on hire-purchase basis. RIA): (a) and (b). The required 119 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 120 * ■ ■?

information is being collected from Cattle Insurance Companies the State Governments' and will r be laid on the Table of th

Persons Detained under COFEPOSA (a) the functioning of Cattle In­ surance Companies at present in the 2939. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ country, State-wise; and DIT: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be (b) the names of the Insurance pleased to state: Companies alongwith their conditions of operation which have, come for­ (a) whether cases registered under ward to attract the attention of small COFEPOSA and violation of other farmers in the remote corners of the foreign exchange rules against a num. country? ber of persons during the last three years have lapsed or have been with­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE drawn on the termination of external AND REVENUE AND RANK­ and internal emergencies and those ING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) persons were freed from detention; All the four subsidiaries of the Gene­ ral Insurance Corporation of India (b) whether a number of persons viz: involved in such like cases were dec­ lared absconding from the country ( 1) National Insurance Co. Ltd. and whether cases against those per­ (2) New India Assurance Co. Ltd. sons have also lapsed or have been withdrawn; and (3) Oriental Fire and General In­ surance Co. Ltd., and (c) whether Government propose to try the released persons for their (4) United India Fire and Gene­ offences under any new alternate ral Insurance Co. Ltd., trans­ laws; if so, facts thereof? act Cattle Insurance business all over India. The market THE MINISTER OF FINANCE agreement sponsored by the AND REVENUE AND BANK­ General Insurance Corpora­ ING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) tion of India, under which The reference presumably is to the the subsidiaries operate, pro­ persons detained under the Conserva­ vides for uniform premium tion of Foreign Exchange and Preven­ rates, policy terms and condi­ tion of Smuggling Activities Act, 1974 tions throughout India. for smuggling and activities prejudicial State-wise figures of Cattle Insurance to conservation and augmentation of businesss of the aforesaid insurance foreign exchange. With the revocation companies are not available. Pre­ of internal emergency on 21-3-1977, mium figures all over India during 2034 persons detained under the Act were released from detention. the years 1974 to 1976 were as under: — (b) As on 20-3-77, 251 persons had been declared absconders under the Year Premium Act. The detention orders against 52 such persons have been revoked by Rs. the detaining authorities., 1974 . 24,82,608 (c) Appropriate action under the 1975 . 48^3388 normal laws is being taken against the 1976 • 1,32,93.25^ persons released, wherever necessary. k il Wriittjn Answer* ASADHA 17. 1899 iSAKA) Written Answers 122;

(b) To cater to the Cattle Insur- extent of subsidy would be as under r ance needs of small farmers, the com­ panies have introduced with effect from 1-4-1977 a Special Scheme for Where Where providing insurance covers in respect Bank Bank of milch cattle coming under Small provides does not subsidy provide Farmers Development Agency, Margi­ subsidy nal Farmers and Agricultural Labou­ rers Project and Drought Prone Area Project. Subsidy frcm pro jet authority . 0 75% 1 00% Subsidy f;om Banks. 0 50% 2. The conditions of operation of the Scheme are : — Share of the insured. 1 00% 1 25%

Total • 225% 225% (i) Definition of cattle: ‘Cattle’ for the purpose of this scheme are milch cows, milch buffaloes and (vii) Veterinary Examination: stud bulls of the Indian variety. The report of the veterinary sur­ (The scheme does not cover draught geon is essential. cattle). (viii) Salvage: Out of every claim a fixed amount of Rs. 100 (ii) Age Group: 3 years to 8 would be deducted towards salvage years. except in the following cases: —

(iii) Sum insured: Insurance (a) If the insured animal dies cover is provided to the extent of due to epidemic disease; bank loan which is subject to a (b) In areas where slaughter maximum limit of 75 per cent of of animals is banned by law. market^ value in the case of small farmers and two-third of the market value in the case of marginal far­ mers and agricultural labourers.

(iv) Scope of cover: The inde­ 2941- rTT5T TC5T : W mnity would be payable in the event of death of the insured cattle due to accident or disease contracted during the period of risk. The risk fTr Pf *r w of permanent total disability result­ ?T*PT

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Shortage of Mustard Oil Act, 1973 is laid on the Table of th« Sabha. [Place4 in Library. See No 2942. SHRI K. MALLANNA: LT—946/77.]

SHRI ISWAR CHOUDHARY: Use of Foreign Trade Mark by Will the Minister of COMMERCE Coca Cola Company AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION be pleased to state: 2944. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE (a) whether there is acute shortage AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE­ of mustard oil in certain parts of the RATION be pleased to state: country; and (a) whether Coca Cola Company was (b) if so, the names of such States asked to stop using foreign trade mark and the measures Government have after December 31, 1976; taken to meet the demand of the common people in this regard? (b) whether this company is using the same trade mark even now; and THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ (c) if so, the reasons therefor and OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN what further action has been taken DHARIA): (a) and (b). Owing to thereon? some shortfall in the production of imuslard oil during 1976-77, as com­ THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE pared to the previous year, shortages AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ have been felt in the major mustard OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ oil consuming States. These are West RIA): (a) No, Sir. Bengal, States and Union Territories (b) Yes, Sir. in the North-Eastern region, Bihar, (c) Does not arise. Orissa, Uttar Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir and Rajasthan. To obviate the situation, imported rapeseed oil Guidelines for Issue of Bonus Shares has been allotted to States, as requir­ ed by them, to be distributed after 2945. SHJII PRASANNBHAI MEH­ refining at an end consumer price of TA: Will the Minister of FINANCE Rs. 8.50 a Kg. AND REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: Dilution of Foreign Equity Holdings in Foreign Companies (a) whether the Department of Com­ pany Affairs has issued new guidelines 2943. SHRI K. A. RAJ AN: Will the for issue of bonus shares; and Minister of FINANCE AND REVE­ NUE AND BANKING be pleased to (b) if sa the salient features of the state which are the foreign companies guidelines? operating in India that have not di­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE luted yet their foreign equity hold­ AND REVENUE \ND BANK­ ings? ING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) THE MINISTER OF FINANCE The Department of Economic Affairs AND REVENUE AND BANK­ has issued on the 6th June, 1977 two ING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) additional guidelines governing the statement showing the names of com­ issue of bonus shares. panies which have to dilute their (b) These two guidelines are: non-resident interest in accordance with the directives issued by the Re­ (i) A certificate should be fur­ serve Bank of India under Section 29 nished from the auditors of of the Foreign Exchange Regulation the company that adequate Written Answers StthZ 8, ld7Y Written Answers 128

provision for depreciation has (d) The reasons for giving con­ been provided'in the accounts sent to the issue of capital by the of the company as allowable companies are as under: under the Income Tax Act. (1) Bonus issues represent only (ii) If there is a change in the the capitalisation of the free re­ method of depreciation, the serves so as to bring the sharehold­ companies should further ers fund retained in the business ensure that adequate provi­ more in line with the total capital employed in the business. The issue sion for deferred taxation lia­ bility is made and the audi­ of bonus shares is governed by tor’s certificate to this effect guidelines issued by the Govern­ ment in this behalf. • should also be furnished along with the application (ii) In the case of issue of fresh for bonus issue. or further capital by way of share capital, debentures, loans etc., the raising of capital is necessary to en­ Raising of Capital by Companies able the companies to finance a part of the projects for which they hold the necessary industrial licences. 2946. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN: In some cases, the issue of capital Will the Minister of FINANCE AND has also become necessary to enable REVENUE AND BANKING be plea­ the company to dilute its non-resi- sed to state: dent interest in accordance with the directives given to the company (a) how many companies were al­ under the Foreign Exchange Re­ lowed to raise their capital from the gulation Act. 1st March, 1977 to the end of June. 1977; It needs to be made clear that the information given in the Annexure (b) the names of such companies; relates to only the consent given for (c) how much capital has been al­ issue capital and not to the capital lowed to be raised by each company; actually raised by them from the mar­ and ket under the consents given to them. (d) the reasons for allowing such a large number of companies to raise It cannot be said that a large num­ the capital. ber of companies have been given per­ mission to raise capital. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI Silk Industry in Karnataka H. M. PATEL): (a) During the pe­ riod 1st March 1977 to 30th June 1977, 2947. SHRI K. MALLANNA: Will 137 nongovernment companies have the Minister of COMMERCE ANt) been granted permission under the CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ Capital Issues (Control) Act. 1947 to TION be pleased to state: raise capital by way of initial and fur­ ther issues^ bonus issues, debentures, (a) whether Silk Industry in Kar­ loans etc. nataka has occupied a prestigious posi­ tion in the world of fabrics; (b) and (c). Names of companies and the amount of capital allowed to (b) If so, whether an intensive be raised by each company are given development plan to increase the in the Statement laid on the Table production of raw silk in the State of the House. [Placed in Library. See has been sent to the Central Gov­ No. LT—647/771. ernment; and 129 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

(c) whether the World Bank has last 3 years is attached. According also agreed to give assistaiU| to State to the dearness allowance formula re­ silk industry; and if so, to what ex­ commended by the Third Pay Com­ tent? mission, dearness allowance was pay­ THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE able to the Central Government em­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ ployees after every 8 point increase OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- in the 12-monthly average of the RIA): (a) Karnataka is the premier silk producing State accounting for Consumer Price Index, above 200 nearly 85 per cent of the total pro­ (1960-100). According to this for­ duction of mulberry silk in the coun­ mula, 14 instalments of dearness al­ try. At present 7500 handlooms and lowance were sanctioned to the em­ 3376 powerlooms are engaged in the production of mulberry silk fabrics. ployees with effect from 1-5-1973, 1-8-1073, 1-10-1973, 1-1-1974, 1-2-1974, (b) An intensive sericultural deve­ 1-4-1974, 1-6-1974, 1-7-1974, 1-9-1974, lopment project to subsantially in­ 1-10-1974, 1-11-1974, 1-12-1974, 2-1-1975 • 'r - crease the production of raw silk at and 1-3-1975 respectively to cover the an outlay of Rs. 3.71 crores has been index average upto 312. In April, submitted by the Government of Kar­ 1975} the index average crossed 320 nataka which is under consideration. points. The fifteenth instalment of dearness allowance which would have (c) No separate assistance is pro­ covered price rises upto that point posed to be given by he World Bank was not sanctioned inf€r alia due to to the Government of Karnataka for financial constraints and repercussions the development of silk industry. on the State Governments. The in­ dex average, however, fell below 320 Grant of D. A. Instalments to Central in January, 1976, below 312 in April, Government Employees on the Basis 1976 and below 304 in June, 1976. of Consumer Price Index Although one instalment of dearness 2948. SHRI M. KALYANASUN- allowance thus became due for with­ DARAM: Will the Minister of FIN­ drawal from 1-5-1976 and another ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK­ from 1-7-1976, the Government in ING be pleased to state the particu­ order primarily to compensate the lars of the Consumer Price Index for employees for the non-payment of each month of the last three years any dearness allowance instalment and the number of D.A. instalments when the index average had crossed due to Central Government employees 320, withdrew only one instalment of from month to month? dearness allowance and that too vir­ tually from 1-10-1976. At present, THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND dearness allowance is paid with re­ REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI ference to the index average of 304, H. M. PATEL): A statement con­ whereas according to the latest avail­ taining particulars of the Consumer able index figures, the index average Price Index for each month of the was 303 at the end of April, 1977.

1314 LS—5. 131 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 132

Statement Statement of All India average Comumer Price Index numbt^for Industrial Workers (General (1960-100) and their 12-Monthly Average.

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1974 1975 1976 1977 Mo .th

Index Average Index Average Index: Average Index Average

Janury 264 240 50 326 308 66 298 31858 307= 297 17 Febraary . 267 245 00 325 313 53 293 315 67 310 298 83

March • 275 249 91 321 317-33 286 312 75 312 301 00 April 283 255 08 323 323 66 289 309 92 313 303 00 May 294 260 5 4 327 323 41 290 306 83

June » • . 301 266-25 328 325 66 291 303-75 July . . ■ 3H 271 91 324 326 75 297 301-50 August • 321 278 08 321 326 75 298 299 58

September 334 285-25 319 325 50 302 298 17

October • 335 292-00 316 323 91 304 297-17 November 331 298 03 315 322 58 3^6 296 42 December . . 326 303-50 306 320 92 306 296 42

Awarding of Unskilled Works to tives at its meeting held on 19 Feb^ Labour Co-operatives ruary, 1974 recommended that all unskilled works, and skilled works 2949. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will upto a limit of Rs. 1 lakh should be. the Minister of COMMERCE AND reserved exclusively for labour co­ CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ operatives. TION be pleased to state: (b) Government have accepted the recommendation. (a) whether the National Advisory (c) The State Governments have Board of Labour Co-operatives has been requested to take action to im­ recommended that all unskilled works in rural areas upto Rs. one lakh plement it. Follow up measures are also taken to watch the progress should be exclusively awarded to la­ bour co-operatives; made in the States from time to time, and to assist the cooperatives (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ concerned. ment to the recommendation; and tfsclopiires Under Voluntary Disclo­ sure Scheme (c) the steps taken to implement it? 2950. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: fall he Minister of FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE 'REVENUE- AND BANKING be plea­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ sed to state: OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- RIA): (a) Yes, Sir. The National *(a) the total amount of disclosed Advisory Board on Labour Coopera- income and wealth up to date under 133 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

the Voluntary Disclosure Scheme of lection of Estate duty are found very y 1975; cumbersome and harassing by the concerned tax payers; (b) the said amount disclosed under the Income Tax Act, and the tax col­ (b) if so, whether Government pro­ lected thereon; pose to take steps to simplify and speed up the procedures and processes * (c) the amount disclosed under the involved; and \ Wealth Tax Act, and the amount of t wealth tax realised thereon; and (c) if so, the broad iature and out­ (d) the method and manner of cal­ line of such steps beink planned and culating for arriving at the total wealth implemented? \ so disclosed? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). Gov­ H. M. PATEL): (a) As per the latest ernment realise that there is need for information available, the total amount simplifying the law and procedure re­ of income and wealth disclosed under lating to estate duty. The Commit­ the Voluntary Disclosure of income tee of Experts recently appointed by ^and Wealh Ordinance, 1975 (now, the Government for the simplifica­ Voluntary Disclosure of Income and tion and rationalisation of the direct Wealth Act, 1976) is Rs. 1583.6 crores. tax laws is expected to also recom­ mend measures for the simplification (b) and (c). The information pre­ and rationalisation of the law relat­ sently available is as follows: ing to estate duty. The Government Amount Tax propose to sponsor a Bill for amend­ disclosed collected ing the law relating (o estate duty (upto in the light, inter alia, of the recom­ 31-3-77) mendations to be made by the said Committee of Experts. (R .in (Rs. in crores) crores)

Voluntarily disclosed incbme 685 2 I ^TlTcT Sf WNJ lAftVT ift Income in respect of 232 66 search & seizure cases 56 7j

Disclosure of net 2952. : m wealth or value"of assets not disclosed fifrT (M W sftT ifaiT ^ or understated 841-7 6-6.4 ^ Pp :

(d) Rs. 841.7 crores is the total of (sp) ^rr srm W w r ^ hitct the amounts disclosed for the various assessment years by the declarants. H eta faro* fa n t ; ^ Simplification of procedure and Rules for Collection of Estate Duty (*ar) ^r, eft ^ ^ fa r 2951. PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be plea­ sed to state: faff sftr i f t *1t (sft ctt Co <*£<*) :(sp) ( ^ ) . (a) whether Government are aware 3j*T, 1969 ^T| *TTCrfor STITT ^ that the procedures and rules for col­ 1*5 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 136

*rra> virfkvr snt ir ^ *rreT 25,000/- was debited to Shri Kalia’s ^ r% *>t ?rj*rfa ft n f *rt i Housing Loan Account and corres­ pondingly the same amount was cre­ % ^ 5tr 1970 $r*WTT

.National Agricultural Co-operative exporters, film producers in the ^Marketing Federation of India; and fictitious names by the Manager of the State Bank of India, Peddar Road, (b) if so, the reasons therefor? Bombay; THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE (b) the amount of loans or over­ ^AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ drafts sanctioned by the then manager OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA- of the bank to film producers, direc­ RIA): (a) National Agricultural Co- tors and others without proper scrutiny * operative Marketing Federation of of their paying capacity; India is purchasing Onions from the growers. (c) whether he has seen a report published in the weekly ‘Blitz* dated (b) Does not arise. the 11th June, 1977 in this regard; (d) the result of the enquiry so far Misappropriation of funds by Regional conducted and the names of persons Manager, Allahabad Bank against whom action has since been taken; and 1 2955. SHRIMATI AHILYA P. (e) whether Government propose to RAGNEKAR: Will the Minister of handover the case to CBI for investi­ ^FINANCE AND REVENUE AND gation and suggest suitable action BANKING be pleased to state: , against the guilty? (a) whether Government have made THE MINISTER OF FINANCE any investigation about the misappro­ AND REVENUE AND BANKING priation of funds of Allahabad Bank (SHRI H M. PATEL): (a) to (e). by the Regional Manager, Shri H. K. Government have seen the news re­ Kalia; port published in the issue of the Bombay Weekly BLITZ dated the (b) if so, the findings of the investi­ 11th June, 1977 under the caption gation; and “Banking with Sex and Blackmail” . (c) the steps taken against him? The State Bank of India has, in this dbnnection, reported that their Ins­ THE MINISTER OF FINANCE pection and Audit Report on the AND REVENUE AND BANKING Pedder Road Branch, had pointed (SHRI H. M. PATEL) (a) Allahabad out certain irregularities in the con­ Bank has intimated that it has no duct of the accounts of a number of report of misappropriation of funds constituents including a few Film of the bank by Shri H. K. Kalia, Distributors/Producers, Garment Ex­ Regional Manager. No investigation port Houses etc. These irregularities hs^s therefore been made by the were in the nature of (i) grant of bank or by Government. overdraft facilities indiscriminately f (b) and (c). Does not arise. to various borrowers, of whom some were fictitious; and (ii) grant of ad­ vances by way of cash credits, ex­ Complaints 0f distribution of loans to port packing credits, post shipment ^exporters by Manager, State Bank of credits and export bills negotiations India, Bombay limit dis-regarding the instructions laid down by the Controlling Au­ 2956. SHRI ANANT DAVE: Will thority. According to the Bank, the the Minister of FINANCE AND RE­ total amount of advances involved VENUE AND BANKING be pleased as on 1st October, 1975, was about 'to state: Rs. 62 lacs. (a) whether there have been many The irregularities were further in­ complaints of distribution of loans to vestigated by the Vigilance & Audit Written Answers 139 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 140

Department of the Bombay Local ( ftff % :tpt w r Head Office of the Bank and based fa** *rr«r v t w s t n t t on its findings disciplinary proceed­ ings were initiated against the offi­ | s k t t jtst cials involved. The position regard­ ^ | ? ing the action taken against the va­ rious officers are indicated below:

Name Punishment f s if o n *nfrm) : (*) fir& rf 5t«tt ^PTfv ffnrrsr 1. Shri D.D. Tjlak Dsmissed from Ser­ % t ffPTRT ^fa ft 1 1 Branch Manager. vice. 2. Shri S. P. Men- Dimissed from Ser­ joge, Accountant. vice. (r 3. Shri R.N. Valc an- He resigned from sjtptr: fsrr 1 1 ^ I : ^nTfw, gkar, Field Officer Service consequent on his demotion to Qerical Cadre from Officers Cidre in fn ft, 'M i? , *?*rrforr rr«rr fftfswr the Bank. 1 4. Shri R.D. Kriplani D ;scipline.ry proceed­ (Then) Regional ings are being finalis­ Manager. ed. *r"i ^ f r % *rr*r -ttttt 5. Shri V.K. Hertekar D'sci pU nary proceed- ^ r i % ^ rf ^ (Then) Regional ings are being fina­ Manager. lised. % fallWi ^ 23

6. ShriN.V. Gude, He Wc.s called upon 1' 0 'S Pi5«n >jjr ^ Mm (T .en) Area to retire from Supdt. Service. The official *rrerr | i has since expired. 7. Shri V.V. Hari- Inve*tigjation being haran Branch conducted to fix Separate corporations for Oil, and Inspector accountability. Oilseeds

The Bank has initiated legal ac­ 2958. SHRI D. D. DESAI: ' • tion against the defaulting borrow­ SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: ers. The bank has also registered a case of forgery and cheating with SHRI SHIV SAMPATI RAM: the Bombay Police against one of Will the Minister of COMMERCE the constituents. The Bank has also AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ lodged a formal complaint with the OPERATION be pleased to state: Central Bureau of Investigation in May, 1977. The CBI have been re­ (a) whether Government are pro­ quested to register a case and take posing to have separate corporation; up investigation of this matter. for edible oils and oilseeds trade; and - (b) if so, the main features there­ H7T faufa of?

2957- *fter wm TC5T : WT THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE s ’ht *TFTfrv sftr AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ f it : OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ RIA): (a) and (b). A proposal to ( t ) w r t r m *r fafacr irtr have a Corporation or a similar ins­ titutional arrangement for edibl^ ^ mnr tori *r *rni oils and oilseeds is being examined $ ; by the Government. 141 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers

Short Haul Jet lor Indian Airlines ril, 1975 and March, 1976 and 1977 were as follows:— 2959. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND .CIVIL (Rs. crores) AVIATION: be pleased to state: Indus ;ry Agriculture (a) whether Indian Airlines has Last Friday of (Total) given up the search for a short haul jet for its fleet; and April, 1975 • 4400■1 726*3 (b) if so, the reasons therefor? March 1976 5359 x 960-4 THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI March 1977 5974-6 1221*4 PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). No, Sir. Indian Airlines (b) and (c). While each of the have recently completed a “Total public sector banks keep the reco­ System Study” of their future fleet very performance of its branches requirements covering the period under continual review and steps 1978-79 to 1980-81. The report is are initiated to recover overdue ad­ under consideration. Indian Airlines vances by realisation of assets charg­ will formulate proposals for their ed as security or from the sureties/ future purchases of aircraft after the guarantors or through legal proceed­ (recommendations made in the Sys­ ings, the statistical reporting system tem Study have been further ex­ did not provide for data reporting amined and decisions taken thereon. by banks regarding their recovery performance in different sectors. At present data regarding sector- Loans advanced by Nationalised wise position of the recovery perfor­ Banks to Industrial Units mance of the banks is available only 2980. SHRI YAGYA DATT in respect of Direct finance to Agri­ SHARMA: Will the Minister of FIN­ culture. The latest available data re­ ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK­ lating to end June, 1976 reveals that ING be pleased to state: the total outstanding agricultural (direct) adyances of public sector y(a) the amount of loans advanced banks as on that date amounted to by nationalised banks since April, 1975 Rs. 726.33 crores, their demand am­ to March, 1977 to industrial units and ounted to Rs. 380.31 crores and their in agriculture field, separately, year- recoveries amounted to Rs. 193.63 wise; crores. ( (b) whether the loatns are being repaid in time; and W it TK H Roffw (c) if not, the amount which is not being repaid within the period in which it should have been repaid? 2961. sft fWT : W THE MINISTER OF FINANCE sflr ?rnit ^ AND REVENUE AND BANKING frar fa (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Reserve Bank of India have reported that (fr) wt srer % rzrrr ft provisional data available regarding the sectoral distribution of advances srrf ^ fa w jf Tt of public sector banks show that qtaair a c t m | their outstanding advances to Indus­ try (inluding small scale industry) and Agriculture as at the end of Ap­ llr *i$f ^ t ; 1 43 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers

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In the Fifth Plan the development of for automatic membership to persons tourist facilities at Konark has been who are duly qualified for admission included in the Cultural Tourism Pro as members under the provisions of gramme of the Department of Tourism. the Act, the Rules and the Bye-laws. Accordingly, a master plan (land-use Similarly, the State Governments have plan) of the area surrounding the Sun been advised to amend their laws to Temple has been prepared. Allocation provide for compulsory reservation of of facilities and environmental planning seats in favour of the weaker sections, are also incorporated in the master- on the committee of management of pian. Based on the master plan, de­ primary agricultural societies. These tailed schemes will be drawn up for provisions are intended to ensure that providing facilities such as accommoda­ cooperatives cater to the needs of a tion. transport, water, electricity and larger section of the rural population. other amenities. (b) and (c). No, Sir. Restructuring of the Administration of the Co-operative Department mfinTRR 3 ^rr^RT farT 5TTT 2964. SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to state: 2965. : ^rr (a) whether there is any proposal farT cTOT Trarc* jftr to restructure the administration of 'fTrr f% t the Cooperative Department and amend the existing cooperative law so ( ) WT *rififaT«lq % +K<9i'll as to make it more responsive to the needs of the people; *rrfcr*fi ^fr, qwnw n % sfaR (b ) whether Government have ?r*rnr, ^rnrfftr farT taken up the matter of reduction of g-RT TTftr % payment of interest on the loan given w ; by the Reserve Bank of India to different co-operative banks and societies of different States; and (*§■) m fr if JTTftnrrare % Ph^T *ll (c) if so, the facts thereof? ft Tjfw % THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE fkrf ?nr AND CIVIL SUPPLIES & COOPERA­ TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (*r) w r ir ft ^rf^RT (a) Cooperation being a State subject, the responsibility for the supervision i sftr % fTFprrfr^ff % ^ttetr t t of cooperative societies vests in the State Governments. The Government of India also lay considerable stress on the need for the cooperatives to serve (*r) WT UT+TT W ft a larger number of persons, especially 3TP=T % RTcfTrT dW) ^HTT 4eH the weaker sections of the community. For this purpose, a set of guidelines qr has been circulated to the States for undertaking suitable modification to (5:) eft ci their cooperative laws. The States EFf^TcT ftrff WTf ^ have been advised to incorporate sui* Pmt «TT^TT ? able provisions in their laws providing 147 Written Answers JULY 8, 1877 Written Answers i 4g

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2966. *ft W W s STO ^o fJTT cf*TT ^TT'lftv jfa * 1 9 7 2 -7 3 0 .5 1 (%^T>TftftTrr) vrfkm ft?rt it? srcrrft ^ ?qr f a : 1973-74 10.66 ^ 1 9 7 4 -7 5 4 .4 6 («Rf*cnT,%W (T ) *T*T*I fe^fr ft g ’TT *RTTf % *P&T3T sffrT-Tffr 5 *ftr i faff ^ fr % 'Tftsrrsnft^WY ff^wf^cRT I) (^r) WEWX flWH farft 1975-76 7.76 ^ HJPT ^»T | ?ftT WT qtiHM SH^TST

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(rf ; «rnm s k i ^rr «nrr^ ir m T R f ^ r % ^TTT ( ’r) w t Pr k % +i4'«iH'f q?t yiwvTvfhr ferfcT % ^ t r tt 3TN- ^7^7% WT T tf iltnlq «T5t *Ff arN' | ; sftr t *

(w) ?t, tft, g'sRr air* w enp W Rrfav ^ % TW-f^tTR^ >R,. gft 5> arr% ^t ^nrreRT | ?rk w r f w % ifsl*) SRtRT-TT ^t# fT frra1- f r firarc ? t i % w + < «i if gaK ^ h i *ft «i 1 I*t'n f^TTrrTT PnTTT^fr | ? 3TRft I *fk 5R ijwft V IW + ^ T TSrff ^ ^ ^T% fa^ HVfaW farT am TisrfT w k ifir»r ipft 3TPT fa^ ^ f I quo TJ^) ; (^ ) %T3^ET5Tr*r«T *ts % <15^ qsnr % ^ m ? r if 31-12 -1 97 7 cTfr 5ft »l|*ft I 26-3-1977%?lTt- 2968. «ft 5WT* fir? r 3f 1-4-1977 % ij»to nhm ^ j t : 31-12 -1 97 7 rTP qft S*T ?■£ % ?mr TOT spt *ff fa # Bjft «ft «ft 'ffJRTW : wf

^r, STPRT: ?faT if Slff ^»r I 3*1 W f«RT ^TT TTHW wtr Jffa^T 'TTjTR «Hl fa "T sttt ^ f e rr * w t «tt 1 (^) wr ym r eztht 13 1977 % T^^TR 2T^r’ if H+lfild (>?) infiq JTc^ST-^T WT? % ?mnr % w h r ?ftr Pshwt »rat *r«rrar «rr i («ft xq*o « « « ) : ( ? ) tft, *51 Written Answers JULY 8, J977 Written Answers

?r i *i€rPT ^ tt (b) the foreign exchange to be spent on it; and

^ ^ srr^T ^ r f t % (c) the steps taken by Government *rni% w 2f i to increase its production in the coun­ try? ( ^ ) 1977 ^ srefa % THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE ^ V t p t snfii+iPwlr s't t t < T ^ r t AND CIVIL SUPPLIES & COOPERA­ •M'ftl J*T HTdr 1378 f^fhrm TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) to (c). The information is being | i * it * t vnNrf^ff *t collected, and will be laid on\he Table *t% <. f^nrfcT f^ T T ~*\ 1*11 *TT I Cost of Living Index

(*r) ^ 2071. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVE­ fPTT tfJJ? VWZIT 3T5T3T ^ ^ T T r f k NUE AND BANKING be pleased to % dHi< t^rfa % f%*ft ^ snrrcr state: spt ^ % fa cr ^JT^rf S^fT ^ (a) the present cost of living index; wk feqr *t*tt | i (b) what steps are being taken to Import of Edible Oil ensure that cost ot living index does not shoot up and the price-line is held; 2969. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: Will and the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ TION be pleased to state: (c) the extent of increase in the cost of living index in the last three (a) the quantity of edible oil im­ years and the main factors responsi­ ported during the last three months; ble for the same.

(b ) the mode of distribution of THE MINISTER OF FINANCE edible oil to the States; and AND REVENUE AND BANKING (c) the quantity of imported oil (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and allotted to the State of Gujarat; (c). The All-India Industrial Workers’ District-wise? Consumer Price Index (1960= 100) for May, 1977 (the latest available) stands THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE at 318 os against 294 for May 1974, an AND CIVIL SUPPLIES & COOPERA­ increase of 8.2 per cent in three years TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): There was a rise in the index during (a) to (c). The information is being 1974-75 because of lower agricultural collected and will be laid on the table production combined with high inter­ of the House. national prices of foodgrains, fertilisers non-ferrous metals and petroleum pro­ Import of Edible Oil ducts. In 1975-76 prices declined as a bumper agricultural season at home 2970. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: Will was accompanied by decline in prices the Minister of COMMERCE AND abroad. This trend was however, CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ reversed in 1976-77 because of short­ TION be pleased to state: ages of some commodities like pulses, edible oils and cotton and high prifces (a) the names of the countries from where the edible oil is being imported of some of our export commodities like ihis year and quantity thereof; tea and coffee. 153 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answer, f j 4 -

(b) A close watch is kept on the continue to hold office until their suc­ price situation by the Government and cessors have been appointed. The steps are taken from time to time to Boards are expected to be reconstituted prevent abnormal increases in the shortly. prices of essential commodities through (i) the augmentation of domestic avail­ ability through imports (e.g. edible TPit if HPST eiratTPT % if TTPT oils, cotton and artificial fibres) or by placing restrictions on exports (e.g. arm r tit potatoes, onions and tea), (ii) larger releases from Government stocks 'e.g. 2973. TOT : ^rr food-grains and sugar), (iii) reduction of demand by changing compulsory usage regulations (e.g. 90 per cent use tit ^ f r far : of imported oil in vanaspati manufac­ ture and 10 per cent use of artificial w r Tfrzf oatptit fibres in the manufacture of cotton % tit % cloth). Government will continue these measures and also strengthen the public Thfr 3r wror arwm w distribution system so as to expand tit%rfc$Tgt% ? the availability of essential commodi­ ties to the consumer at reasonable w r f w cTJTT 5TT

2972. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: Will ST(I^ % fin? f^TT TOTT the Minister of FINANCE AND REVE­ tit farcr ^ *tpt fe r r NUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: tit 9RT St t I (a) whether there has been delay in reconstituting the Board of Direc­ tors of the nationalised banks; Setting up of an Expert Committee (b) if so, the reasons for the delay; on Development of Tourism and 2974. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: (c) when the Boards are expected to Will the Minister of TOURISM AND be reconstituted? CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (a) whether Government have de­ AND REVENUE AND BANKING cided to set up an expert committee (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). The to examine the development of tour­ Board of Directors of each of the 14 ism in the country; and nationalised banks constituted in ac­ cordance with the provisions of clause (b) if so, when? 3 of the Nationalised Banks (Manage­ ment & Miscellaneous Provisions) THE MINISTER OF TOURISM Scheme, 1970, on 11th December, 1972 AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU­ have been functioning. Under the pro­ SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). visions of the Scheme, the non-official Government propose to set up a com­ Directors including the two employee mittee to recommend to it a national policy on tourism. The terms of refer­ Directors on the Board of each bank, whose term of office has expired, shall ence and the composition of the com­ 355 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers r56

mittee are under consideration and calendering mercirising and printing decisions in this regard are expected of handloom cloth; and shortly. (b) whether Government gave any assistance to set up these units in Realisation of Loans Advanced by Andhra Pradesh? Nationalised Banks THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND 2975. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO-OPERA­ Will the Minister of FINANCE AND TION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): (a) REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased and (b). There are no independent pro to state: cessing units in Andhra Pradesh State (a) whether there is any separate with facilities for calendering merceris­ machinery to recover the loans ad­ ing and printing of handloom cloth. vanced by the nationalised banks; and A processing unit is being set up (b) if not, how the loans are being under a Cooperative Society. The out­ realised? lay involved is Rc. 94 lakhs, which is being shared mainly between the State THE MINISTER OF FINANCE and Central Governments, and National AND REVENUE AND BANKING Cooperative Development Corporation, (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) Sanction with a small contribution by the of advances, their disbursement, super­ Society. vision of their utilisation as also re­ covery of' such advances form part of Alleged Irregularities in Bank the normal functions performed by the branch managers and the other con­ 2977. SHRI SHANKERSINHJI cerned employees of the nationalised VAGHELA: Will the Minister of FIN­ banks. Although some banks do have ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK­ cells at their Head Offices to pursue ING be pleased to state: advances as have become difficult of recovery, there is no separate machinery (a) whether his attention has been as such which is solely charged with drawn to a news report published in the task of recovery of advances grant­ weekly Blitz dated the 11th June, ed by the nationalised banks. 1977 under the heading ‘Banking with Sex and Blackmail’; (b) The advances, when due for re­ payment, are recovered from the bor­ (b) if so, the facts thereabout; rowers, themselves. In the event of the failure of the borrowers to repay (c) whether the matter has since the advances, banks proceed to recover been examined by fhe vigilance de­ tljeir dues either through realisation partment of the bank and if so, with of tfrg assets charged as security or what resuHs; and from the sureties/guarantors for the advances. As a last resort, the banks (d) whether Government propose institute legal proceedings against the to hand over the case to the CBI for borrowers and/or sureties and guaran­ thorough investigation and taking tors for the recovery of their dues. suitable action against the persons held responsible? Processing Units in Andhra Pradesh THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 2976. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: AND REVENUE AND BANKING Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (d). CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ Government have seen the news report TION be pleased to state: published in the issue of" the Bombay (a) whether there are any process­ Weekly BLITZ dated the 11th June, ing units in Andhra Pradesh for 1977 -under the caption “Banking with 1S7 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

Sex and Blackmail”. The State Bank The Bank has initiated legal action ol India has, in this connection, report­ against the defaulting borrowers. The ed that their Inspection & Audit Re­ bank has also registered a case of port on the Pedder Hoad Branch, had forgery and cheating with the Bombay pointed out certain irregularities in the Police against one of the constituents. conduct of the accounts of a number The Bank has also lodged a formal of constituents including a few Film complaint with the Central Bureau of Distributors/Producers, Garment Ex­ Investigation in May, 1977. The CBI port Houses etc. These irregularities have been requested to register a case were in the nature of (i) grant of over­ and take up investigation of this draft facilities indiscriminately to matter. various borrowers, of whom some were fictitious; and (ii) grant of advances b7 way of cash credits, export packing Smugglers credits, post shipment credits and ex­ port bills negotiations limit dis-regard­ 2978. DR. VASANT KUMAR ing the instructions laid down by the PANDIT: Will the Minister of Controlling Authority. According to FINANCE AND REVENUE AND the Bank, the total amount of advances BANKING be pleased to state: involved, as on 1st October, 1975, was about Rs. 62 lacs. (a) whether all the smugglers after their release have challenged the The irregularities were further in­ Smugglers and Foreign Exchange vestigated by the Vigilance & Audit Manipulators (Forfeiture of Property) Department of the Bombay Local Head Act as ultra-vires of the Constitution; Office of the Bank and based on its and findings disciplinary proceedings were initiated against the officials involved. (b) what is the present policy of The position regarding the action taken Government in dealing with the against the various officers are indi­ smugglers? cated below: THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING Name Punishment (SHRI P .M . PATEL): (a) As per in­ formation available, only 14 of the . Si-' D. D. T'U k D ’snvsscd from Ser­ (Manager. vice. smugglers have, after their release, challenged the Smugglers and Foreign SHri S.P. Menjoge, Dismissed from Ser­ Ac: Mint int. vice. Exchange Manipulators (Forfeiture of Shri R.N. Valsang- He resigned from Property) Act, 1976 as ultra vires of the kir, Field Service consequent Constitution. Officer on his demotion to Clerial Cadre from (b) Government will deal flrmiy with Officers C'ldrc in the Bank. smugglers. Appropriate action under the normal law will continue to be 4. Sh‘i R D. Kripj- Disciplinary proceed­ lirr, (Th^n Re­ ings are being finalis­ taken against them. gion il Manager. ed. 5. Shri V.K. Herlekir Disciplinary pro­ (Then) Regional ceedings rre being Manager. finalised. Secret deposits in Nationalised Banks 6. Shri N.V. Gude, He was callcd upon (Then) Area to retire from 2979. DR. BAPU KALDATY: Will the Supdt. Service. The offi­ Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE cial has since AND BANKING be pleased to state: expired. Shri V.V. Hari- Inve’.t:g"tion being (a) whether the nationalised banks conducted to fix ' :?.ran, Branch Ins­ still continue to augment cash in the pector. accountability. form of secret deposits; 159 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 160

(b) if so, whether the information commercial banks of their net out­ regarding these secret reserves are standing deposits every Friday. Availa­ not disclosed \o public; and ble data show that the outstanding deposits of public sector banks as on (c) what steps are taken to pro­ the last Friday of March 1977 amoun­ vide the information to public? ted to Rs. 14879 crores which increased to Rs. 15628 crores by the last Friday THE MINISTER OF FINANCE of May 1977. The outstanding deposits AND REVENUE AND BANKING of public sector banks, thus, registered (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). In an increase of Rs. 749 crores, net of terms of Section 29 of the Banking withdrawals, over the two months’ Regulation Act, 1949 and the proforma period (April and May 14*77). of the balance sheet and the profit and loss account prescribed under it, all (c). Besides enlarging their branch banks, including the public sector network to provide banking services banks, are enjoined by the statute to to a larger number of people and to publish their profit after deducting the mobilise their savings, public sector provisions made during the year for banks have devised several schemes to bad and doubtful debts and other usual suit the requirements of diverse types or necessary provisions. It is presu­ of small depositors. Banks are also un­ med that the Hon'ble Member has in dertaking purposeful publicity cam­ mind the non-disclosure of these pro­ paigns to mobilise deposits and to make visions in the accounts. the people aware of their services.

There is at present no proposal to amend the existing statute to provide TRTFTR GW IT ?TTT fcnVRt for a fuller disclosure of the aforesaid provisions made by banks in their annual accounts. 2981. ^Tf : TOT f*TT cT^TT TT3TTO sftr jffaiT 3RTi^T fa Deposits Secured by Nationalised Banks (^ ) TOT ^

2980. DR. BAPU K^LDATY: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE ?PnPT H 1*3 vTPTcT ^FT ^ AND BANKING be pleased to state: T ftnfa fa*TT | ; (a) the amount of deposits secured by nationalised banks during April (^r) TOT 5?T foTRT TT^TFT and May, 1977; qfoffaPTT % WT STTT (b) the amount of deposits with­ *T*t

(c) steps taken to invite more de­ (tt) f r o St a ra *r£ srarrfor posits from public? ft (VkhK Tt % TOT

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE t ? AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and rT«n TTSTf* ?fK tfa*T (b). The statistical reporting system («ft tTITo qjtr) : ( t ) evolved by the Reserve Bank pro­ vides for reporting by all the scheduled I 161 Written Answers * ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers j 62

(gr) 1frVP) view to reconstructing the File. The : Central Bank of India has further re- 5 ported that its Central Office has ordered an inquiry into the matter.

Missing of File Relating to W o r k in g Capital and Loan given to Maruti Loans by Nationalised Banks to Poor Limited 2983. SHRIMATI RENUKA DEVI 2982. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: BARKATAKI: Will the Minister of Will the Minister of FINANCE AND FINANCE AND REVENUE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased BANKING be pleased to state: to state: (a) whether Government have re­ (a) whether the file relating to ceived complaints to the effect that working capital and other loans given the nationalised banks are reluctant to Maruti Limited was found missing to advance loans to the poorer sec­ from a local branch of Central Bank tions of the society; of India in Calcutta; (to) whether such complaints have been received about loans to the agri­ (b) if so, the details thereof; culturists as well; and (c) whether any investigation is (c) if so, what steps Government being instituted into this matter; and propose to take to remedy the situa­ tion? (d) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (d). The (b). Complaints regarding difficulties: Central Bank of India has reported faced by poorer sections of society in­ that one File containing correspon­ cluding agriculturists regarding diffi­ dence and other papers concerning the culties faced by them in obtaining account of Maruti Limited covering the credit from public sector banks are period from December, 1971 to January received from time to time, pn re­ 1974 is missing from the bank’s Re­ ceipt of such complaints they are per- gional Office at New Delhi. The Bank sued with banks concerned for appro­ states that this loss was detected by priate action. the Regional Office in May, 1974 but was reported to the Central Office only in May, 1977. The Bank has further (c) Following are some of the reported that since almost all pro­ measures taken by Government to posals and transactions were referred to ensure lsPrger flow of credit to the- or sanctioned and reported by its Re­ weaker sections of the society: gional Office, Delhi to its Central Office, Bombay, copies of most of the (1) In order to enlarge to flow of relevant papers are available either at credit to the poorer sections of society, banks have been advised to channelise the Branch or at the Central Office. The Central Bank of India has further minimum 33-1/3 per cent of their aggregate advances to the priority reported that material papers such as security documents required for re­ sector. covery of Bank’s dues or sanction (2) Recently Government have ex^ advices to identify the sanctioning tended the scope and coverage of the authority are not missing. The Chief Differential Rate of Interest Scheme Internal auditor of the Bank has been under which loans are provided to asked to look into the matter with a

1314 LS—6. 163 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 164

eligible persons belonging to the weaker Hangar Erected at Jaipur Airport sections of the community at 4 per cent rate of interest. 2985. SHRI ROBIN SEN: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL (3) Banks have been advised to dis­ AVIATION be pleased to state: pose of all small loans applications in­ volving credit limits up to Rs. 10,000, (a) whether a study hangar erect­ within a period of 3 to 4 weeks and ed at Jaipur airport was about to be those involving credit limit of Rs. shifted to Safdarjung, Delhi, prepa­ 10,000 and above pertaining to priority ratory to the eventual takeover of sector within a period of o months. that airfield during the emergency by Maruti Aviation Ltd.7"and •

(b) if sor reaction of Government Crisis in Handloom Industry in Assam thereto? THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 2984. SHRIMATI RENUKA DEVI AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI PURU­ BARKATAKI: Will the munis ter of SHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) and (b). The matter is under enquiry and the COMMERCE AND CIV1~ 6uPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to facts of the case will be placed on the state: Table of the Sabha.

(a) whether the Handloom industry in Assam had been facing a crisis Smuggling of Hides to China last year due to non-avaiJabiiity of yam ; and 2986. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased (b) the steps Governmc t a taking to state: lo ensure steady suppl> wi >arn tc weavers? (a) whether there has been large scale smuggling of hides from India THE MINISTER Oi ^OM.dERCE to China through Bangladesh and AND CIVIL SUPPLIES COOPERA­ Nepal; and TION (SHRI MOHA.n DHa RIA): (a) No specific problem been Ob) if so, the remedial measures brought to our notice aco.:t l oa-avai- taken? iability of yarn to Handluuni weavers of Assam during last yea.. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) No, Sir. Reports re­ (b) The Government of India has ceived by the Government do not in­ sanctioned 2 special Projects for dicate large scale smuggling of hides Assam, one Intensive Development to China through Bangladesh and Project covering 10,000 looms in Nepal. Nalbari (Kamrup Distt.) and one Export Production Project covering (b) Although there is no large scale 1000 looms in Upparahali and Sualku- smuggling across the land borders, chi areas. Under these Special pro­ anti-smuggling measures are being jects, the objective is to ensure a re­ reinforced. These measures include gular and steady supply of all inputs, maintenance of strict vigilance at the including yam to weavers covered by bordering areas, patrolling of main the Proleots and to undertake the transport routes and strengthening of marketing of the finished products. intelligence and investigation set ups. *65 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers i 6S

Termination of Agency Agreements Selling of Road Rollers to Maruti by Sterling Tea Companies Heavy Vehicles Ltd.

2988. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: 2987. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will the Minister of FINANCE AND Will the Minister of FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING be REVENUE AND BANKING be pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether the United Province* (a) whether it has recently been Commercial Corporation Limited, a alleged in a news item which appear, firm of road roller ir.anufactures had ed in Economic Times, Calcutta edition hypothecated their road rollers, as­ dated 14th April, 1977 that several sembled and unassembled one with Sterling Tea Companies have uni­ the Punjab National Bank; laterally terminated their agency (b) if so, details thereof; agreements with Indian companies in total disregard of the obligations and (c) whether the said company had terms and conditions laid down in the offered to buy over the road rollers agreements; @ Rs. 40,000 per piece; (d) whether it is also a fact that (b) whether it has also been al­ the same road rollers have been sold leged that the foreign companies to Maruti Heavy Vehicles Limited of would not have dared to snap the which the erstwhile Prime Minister’s age-old links in a highly arbitrary son and family members have sub­ manner if they were not given indul­ stantial financial interests at Rs. 25,000 gence by an industrialist in the East­ per piece; and ern region, said to be close to the once extra-constitutional source of (e) if so, whether it is also a fact power in New Delhi; that the same road rollers have been sold to Government @ Rs. 1,25,000 or there about a piece by the Maruti (c) if so, what are the facts there­ Heavy Vehicles Limited? of; and THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (d) Government’s reaction to the AND REVENUE AND BANKING same? (SHRI H. M. PATEL) : (a) to (d). The United Provinces Commercial Corporation Ltd. has no account with THE MINISTER OF FINANCE the Punjab National Bank for the AND REVENUE AND BANKING past fifteen years. (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) and

Rs. Prime Minister Smt. Gandhi for a visit abroad during the period from (i) 2 Road Rollers @ Rs. 40,000 1st January 1975 to date. each to Parts Service India Ltd., another associate con­ (b) and (c). Do not arise. cern .... 80,000

(ii) 1 Road Roller @ Rs. 55*000 to a party . . 55j0°0 Amount spent on Chief of Bureau of Delhi Economic Times visit to U.S.A.. (iii) 14 Road Rollers to di­ fferent parties at different prices . . 8,40,000 2990. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will thte Minister of FINANCE (Iv) 8 Road Rollers @ Rs. 62,000 AND REVENUE AND BANKING be each to different parties 4,96,000 pleased to state: (v) 10 Road Rollers (unassembl­ ed) @ Rs. 49,500 to Maruti (a) on whose behalf and on whose Heavy Vehicles Ltd. (highest invitation, the Chief of Bureau o f b:dder) 4>95>°00 Delhi Economic Times visited United (vi) Stocks of spare parts etc. sold States of America; to Maruti Heavy Vehicles Ltd. . . . 14,96,000 (b) whether he was asked to talk about the gains of emergency on be­ T otal . . 34,62,000 half of Shrimati Indira Gandhi and her Government;

(e) Information is being collected (c) how much Government of India and will be laid on the Table of the spent on him for the propaganda work House to the extent available. in United States of America; as well as for the services rendered here dur­ ing the emergency; and

Foreign Tours by Shrimati Anand (d) other relevant details, pertain­ ing thereto? 2989. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will the Minister of FINANCE AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE REVENUE AND BANKING be pleas­ AND REVENUE AND BANKING ed to state: (SHRI H. M. PATEL) : (a) Shri Jagannath Parimoo, Chief of News (a) whether Shrimati Anand, the Bureau, Economic Times, New Delhi mother of the daughter-in-law of the visited United States of America in former Prime Minister, Mrs. Gandhi the month of May 1976 on the basis had gone abroad in recent times; of an invitation received from the Embassy of the United States of (b) if so, for what reason; and America, New Delhi. The invitation was received in the Ministry of Ex­ (c) the facts about number of her ternal Affairs, who, after obtaining visits abroad and foreign exchange necessary clearance from the Minis­ released for the same? try of Home Affairs etc. accorded permission to him to visit USA. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (b) No, Sir. (SHRI H. M. PATEL) : (a) It has been verified from the records that (c) The visit referred to in para Government has not accorded any (a) above was at the invitation of clearance to Smt. Anand, the mother the USA Government, who met all of the daughter-in-law of the former expenses on passage and maintenance 169 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

of Shri Parimoo and no expenditure higher returns on the amounts was incurred by the Government of invested with them, India In Qonnection with the proposed visit. (ii) natural calamities like floods, droughts and cyclones which during (d) In accordance with the exist­ 1976-77 affected areas from which ing instructions issued from time to procuration of life insurance busi­ time all diplomatic missions in India ness used to be fairly high, and are required to route their invitations to Indian journalists for visits abroad (iii) a fall in business of about through the External Publicity Divi­ Rs. 110 crores in the (month of sion of the Ministry of External March, 1977 alone, as against the Affairs. That Ministry consults the business of Rs. 460 crores secured other Ministries/Organisations con­ in March, 1976, which is largely cerned (e.g. Ministry of Home Affairs, attributable to inadequate efforts Ministry of Information and Broad­ put in by the field force. casting etc.) and, on getting their clearance, the invitation received from 2. There was also a fall in the the foreign Mission in India is sent to group schemes business from the individual journalist. As stated Rs. 3269.04 crores in 1975-76 to above, this procedure was complied Rs. 3007.18 crores in 1976-77, due to -with in the case of Shri Parimoo’s non-renewal of Defence Services visit referred to in para (a) of the Group Business. Question.

Proposal to provide AIR Services to Decline in Business of L.I.C. far Flung Cities 2991. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: Will the Minister of FIN­ 2992. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK­ REDDY: Will the Minister of TOUR­ ING be pleased to state: ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: (a) whether the business turnover of the LIC had declined during 1976- (a) whether Government have any 77; and proposal to provide air services to various far flung cities; and (b) if so, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (b) if so, the main features there­ of? AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL) : (a) and (b). The total new business completed by THE MINISTER OF TOURISM LIC under individual assurances AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI during 1976-77 amounted to Rs. 2112.49 PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK) : (a) crores under 20.58 lakhs policies as and (b). The aircraft presently in against Rs. 21116.30 crores under 20.13 the fleet of Indian Airlines are fully lakhs policies during 1975-76. While committed to operate on the existing there was an increase in the number routes. Indian Airlines have, there­ of policies during 1976-77 the sum fore, no plans to add on new cities assured has remained at the same to their network till their fleet is level. augmented. However, a proposal for setting up a third level air service for The reasons for the stagnation in connecting small towns and cities new business procuration include— (not served by Indian Airlines) with (i) stiff competition with other aircraft of smaller capacity is under savings organisations which offer consideration. 171 'Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 17*

Defaulting Textile Mills the existing foreign exchange regula­ tions there are no restrictions on earn­ 2993. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL ing of foreign exchange and its repa­ REDDY: Will the Minister of COM­ triation to India. Firms/companies in MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND India do not, however, have to advise COOPERATION be pleased to state: details of such foreign exchange earnings to the Reserve Bank of India (a,) whether textile mills have de­ and as such no records are maintained faulted in manufacturing controlled by the latter in this regard. cloth hitting the poor consumers; and (b) if so, the remedial measures (b) According to the existing pro­ taken? cedure for exports, all exporters are required to declare their exports on THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE prescribed forms for each consignment. AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO- Prior permission for normal exports OPERATON (SHR MOHAN DHA- is not required from the Reserve R IA ): (a) and (b). Some mills have Bank of India unless it is on defer­ defaulted on fulfilment of their con­ red payment terms. The Reserve Bank trolled cloth obligations. Such mills of India have not granted any per­ are liable to legal action under the mission to Maruti group for deferred Essential Commodities Act, 1955. payment agreement. As regards the Already FIRs have been filed against details of commodities supplied by 11 cases and in case of two mills the Maruti Group and the value charge sheets have been filed in the thereof, the necessary information courts. is not readily available and can be collected only from the bankers of Commission received from Foreign these companies. Companies by Maruti Concerns (c) This information is not readily 2994. SHRI KANWAR LAL available and will have to be collect­ GUPTA: Will the Minister of FIN­ ed from the bankers of the companies ANCE AND REVENUE AND BANK­ concerned. ING be pleased to state: Under the current regulations, no (a) the total amount of commission account in foreign exchange can be received by the Maruti Limited, Maruti opened abroad by Indians without Technical Services (Private) Limited the previous permission of the Reserve and Maruti Heavy Vehicles Private Bank of India. So far as the compa­ Limited from foreign firms and foreign nies referred to in part (a) of the Governments in the last four years; question are concerned, no applica­ (b) what were the details of the tion has been received from them by agreement and what commodities were the Reserve Bank of India for main­ supplied by Maruti firm9 to the taining accounts abroad. foreign firms and what was the value of the goods supplied to foreign All receipts of foreign exchange by countries; and the authorised dealers under the Re­ (c) how much amount was received serve Bank’s jurisdiction are perio­ in India by Maruti concerns and how dically reported to the R.B.I. in the much amount has been deposited in form of various statements for statis­ foreign banks? tical purposes and do not providfe firm/company-wise details. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING It may also be stated for informa­ (SHRI H. M. PATEL) : (a) Under tion that the Government of India 173 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 174 have" appointed a Commission of mill had been producing about 1-2 per Inquiry to go into the affairs of these cent of total jute goods production of companies and the terms of reference the country. of the Commission include, inter alia the following: (c) There is no proposal to take over this mill for the present. ‘All matters pertaining to foreign collaboration agreements, contracts with foreign parties and all foreign Provision of Edible Oil for Maha­ exchange transactions entered into rashtra State by all or some or any of the said Maruti concerns, including the capa­ 2996. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will city and execution capabilities of the the Minister of COMMERCE AND Indian collaborating party to the CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ agreement, the merits and fairness of TION be pi ease J to state: such agreements, the modus operandi (a) whether Government have re­ of securing such agreements and the ceived a communication from Maha­ degree of conformity to law, pres­ rashtra State for provision of 10,000 cribed conditions, policies, practices, tons or edible oil for the period June rules and regulations in relation to to September, 1977 to tide over the- the entering into and/or approval of acute scarcity of edible oil in the these said agreements, contracts and State; and transactions.’ (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ Steps to take over Premchand Jute ment thereto and the action taken in Mill, Howrah this regard? 2995. SHRI SAMAR MUKHEKJEE : THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE Will the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN OPERATION be pleased to state: DHARIA): (a) and ((b ). The Maha­ (a) whether Government are aware rashtra Government in January, 1977 that the management of Premchand asked for a reservation for 10,000 Jute Mill, Howrah has been closing tonnes of Soyabean oil to meet re­ down the mill every now and then quirements for lean Season. They since August, 1973 throwing the work­ made a specific request for delivery of men out of employment on the pre­ 1650 tonnes of Soyabean oil immedi­ text of lockout, lay-off etc; ately. This was released. Subsequent­ (b) whether the Government are ly, as required by Maharashtra Gov­ aware that the above Jute mill was to ernment, imported rapeseed oil and produce about two per cent of the refined imported rapeseed oil have total Jute production of the country also been released. Besides, refined oil since the early twenties; and at the rate of Rs. 8.50 per kg. as requir­ (c) if so, the steps taken to take ed by the State Government, is also over the mill? being supplied. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ Malpractices in respect of Import of OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN Scarce Items DHARIA): (a) Premchand Jute Mill 2997 SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will remained closed from time to time the Minister of COMMERCE AND since 1973 on account of industrial CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ disputes. TION be pleased to state: (b) Government is not aware of any such obligation. However, avail­ (a) whether Government are aware able statistics indicate that the above of the large scale malpractices in res­ 175 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers 176

pect of import of s°me scarce items prr vW fo : in the domestic market like mutton tallow, stainless steel, palm oil, brass scripes, black centres and pharmace­ ( ^ ) n i 1975-76 % sknr utical chemicals under the s° called ^rnrrflf aftrr tot srnnw Export Promotion Scheme; and

(b) if so, the nature of action taken srPTrfor ^ftr ^ by Government in this regard? *rf

THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ ( ^ ) tot tt f^ rrr ^ r OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ iftr RIA) : (a) and (b). Information is being collected and will be laid on ^ | ?fh: qft

^rirfrv 5 % Findings of Export Panels on Cara- *ifw T ) : (^r) velle Crash at Santa Cruz Airport * tt* (

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM (a) whether his Ministry is aware AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI of the crisis in the textile industry PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) A due to the cotton prices; Court of Inquiry headed by Shri Jus­ tice S. B. Bhasme has been appoint­ (b) whether Government have ed to investigate into the accident to taken any steps to check the rise in Indian Airlines’ Caravelle aircraft at cotton prices; and Santa Cruz Airport on 12th October 1976. The report of the Court of (c) if so, the progress made in this Inquiry is awaited. regard?

(b) : Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ RIA) : (a) and (b). A Statement is Vt OTTTrT attached. fiptTT sn*TT (c) As a result of the measures taken by Government, cotton prices 2999- *tKWH TO* : have either come down marginally or anfarw tot have displayed steadiness. 177 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1809 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

Statement (a) and (b). A number of workers have remained idle as a result of clo­ (a) and (b). Due to shortfall In cot­ sure of 5 out of 22 spinning mills in ton production, cotton prices have Kerala. Two of these mills have re­ shown rising trend and are higher opened last month and another is in than that of previous year’s prices. A the process of reopening shortly. In number of measures have been taken the remaining two cases efforts are by the Government to contain cotton being made at the Stale level to re­ prices, which include :— open the mills. If a viable proposal is 1. The import of cotton from received, the Central Government abroad. would give all necessary assistance to the State Government. 2. Cotton textile mills have been permitted to import man-made fibres on O.G.L. basis up to 31-10-1977. Production of Crepe in Tamilnadu 3. It has been made mandatory on cotton textile industry to use at least 3002. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN KADANNAPPALLI: Will the Minister 10 per cent non-cotton fibres of their of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES total consumption from 1-1-1977. AND COOPERATION be pleased to 4. Stock restrictions have been state: placed on mills and traders in order that available cotton could be avail­ (a) whether the Textile Commis­ able equitably to all mills. sioner by a notification has reserved certain items of cloth to be produced 5. As a mid-term measure, the exclusively in the Handloom Sector; recommendations of the Special Committee constituted to maximise (b) whether even now crepe pro­ the production of cotton during the duced in certain areas in Tamilnadu forthcoming Kharif and Rabi seasons is coming to Cannanore in very large is being implemented through the quantities which undergoes final pro­ State Governments. cessing at Cannanore and is being 6. As a long-term measure, efforts sold out in the form of Handloom Crepe; and are being made by Government to increase the production of cotton (c) if so, the reaction of Central within the country. Government thereto?

Problems of the Spinning Mills Em. THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE ployees in Kerala AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE­ 3001. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA): KADANNAPPALLI : Will the Minister (a) Yes, Sir. of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERATION be pleased to (b) Some instances of small quan­ state: tity of crepe being manufactured on powerlooms in some areas of Tamil­ (a) whether his attention has been nadu which may be going as hand­ drawn to the problems of the Spin­ loom products have been reported. ning Mills employees in Kerala; and However, no large scale crepe produc­ tion on powerlooms in Tamilnadu has (b) if so, the steps taken by Gov­ been reported by the State officials. ernment ill this regard? (c) State Government is taking THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE necessary steps for effective implemen­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPE­ tation of crepe ban on powerlooms. RATION (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA) : They have so far booked about 100 179 Written Answers JULY 8, 1977 Written Answers i 8o>

powerlooms for contravening the crepe manufacture in the powerlooms cen­ spt Jr f^, ^ % %ir %? tt tres since introduction of crepe ban *t ft'tw t t f^n *ptt ^ i arfr a r in March, 1977. Field officers of the <^-748 (C^Tt) f^ T T TT State Textiles Department are report­ ed to be exercising close watch on any ^ t ^ tt str | fr Tnst 5nrw srfr^m t t | *rtr tJTlTT TT% ?Tft STTt ?r W TRt cTlT cT*n t r ^ fw R l qfr- tt for *t ^htott im *rr.cnfr fro srf^MW flT^Hiw ,- frctfler 3003. «ft : TTT gfatn^pr W an a t i tnrr- if f?r 1 5 IT^-o it^- T t fi’TT ‘T1 VI fT C 748 f^TH | I

( t ) WT *K+I< TT f^TTT H*# ( ^ ) vrt’fii Pi*inl Tt ?rf^«ii4 %■ art +*« w 5T*rr t^ft f^ t « m % T (»T.) (b) if so, the number of cotton fcf^R sfa q r t j r +<<*?( f^ii'i T t *trtt mills lying closed in the country in view of such circumstances; ^ViHT % «TTC S.r^-MH t^fTWT^r % fa'JTR’-i ’f % tNt f^r*rRT T t 30 (c) whether Government have taken steps for giving these mills ingsr, 1976 T t f h t % fartem % more liberal treatment by the banks f^TT fsptfT *FTT «TT I H£<*l f^TR regarding loans and rates of interest; Tt 10 Tt^ft, 1977 Tt, T t 24 and *TT#, 1977 Tt cPTT 5ftH^ T t 26 *rf, (d) if so, the details regarding the 1977 Tt fWw TT 'pT: TT policy of Government in this regard?

fejT W I TTOTt^nT % fiWR-tt Jf THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE li<4T?U r^ H 'i Tt 14 SR^tt, AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ 1977 *r fvriwrr 'rfr^RRt

mill industry as a whole, affecting THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE weak and marginal mills more acute­ AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ ly. About 31 mills are reported to OPERATION TSHRI MOHAN DHA­ be lying closed at present due to va­ RIA): (a) and (b). There is a pro­ rious reasons including financial dif­ posal to make conformity to I.S.I. ficulties, labour-management relations standards obligatory for the manu­ and also bad management. facture, sale and distribution, of some household electrical appliances. (c) and (d). Some of the impor­ tant steps taken to alleviate the ri­ gours of the difficulties faced by cotton Master Plans for Development o f textile industry are: — Tourism (i) Apart from regulating more 3006. SHRI T. S. SHRANGARE: effectively the distribution of the Will the Minister of TOURISM AND available supplies of cotton, cotton availability has been augmented by CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: way of imports. Substitute mate­ (a) whether the Central Govern­ rials like staple fibre and polyester ment have requested the State Gov­ fibre have been allowed imports on ernments to submit their Master Plans OGL, without duty in case of staple for the development of tourist cen- fibre. /tres and tourism; and (ii) It has been made mandatory (b) if so, how many State Govern­ on cotton textile mills to use at ments have sent their master plans least 10 per cent of their raw mate­ and the financial implications thereof? rials by way of man-made fibres. THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM (iii) Scheduled commercial banks AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI have been advised not to enforce PURUSHOTTAM KAUSHIK): (a) credit restrictions on financial weak Not yet. mills iji a rigid or indiscriminate manner. For instance, units which (b) Does not arise. have been exempted from the pio- duction of controlled cloth could fagf a r if be exempted from imposition 0f en­ hanced margin of 10 per cent.

(iv) IDBI has started operating 3007* TTo 5 T # HTOHUT : TOT its scheme for soft loans to cotton textile mills for modernisation. ?nfnT^T cT*TT WHlfc* ^ f^rr fa ■

Proposal to make Indian Standard ( T ) TOT ffF T 3T% Institute Certificate for Consumer Items TT vdcHTCH 3ft w f ff f*TT 3005. SHRI G. Y. KRISJHNAN: Will w f c ; the Minister of COMMERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND COOPERA­ (^ r) t o t i R f a TION be pleased to state: Iff 5R7TT (a) whether there is any proposal % cpri TT TT fsRTT I ; under the consideration ofi Govern­ ment of making the Indian Standard Institute Certificate compulsory for some consumer items; and (*t) ^RT % ^TT^T % faTT ffW R ^ TOT OTR fa^ t ? (b) if so, the names of such items? 1 83 Written AnswersJULY 8 , 1977 Written Answers 184

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^ f t o - 1 8 2 ^ t Tt«r f t >pft «jt «ftr v Yk ?R 1 000 ^ TWPTT ft^ ^Rft

W* vt «T>W * t T>P^ *T I ^vft^pt’T *T> 1^1 f*l^l^ MA, ^$11 +1 3»rm tNt% % fw«r § T^r T m r ^ ^t w t cm mf^ift 5tVt frnff, tK? ^ ? r t gnrnr ^ r r r f ^ ^rfmc froT »tht 1 P ra ff^ r 3008. «ft w t w : TOT gTSTT % IP^HTX, ffF R 5P7T 'WZH ?ftr 'TFR f'HHH M'-fsl ^ 3?n% liinO ^ft y*r ?t T^f f*i<4<. «Ft 'fl«i,t ttwi 182 ■d«H ^3T Til'll ^t <|4) I If 3[t ^t «rr T^l *Tt, spppt 6 ^ ^t fwsf §w tot1% (>r) t 4) Ici^+10 Rit*T^> Hi •ill' T O - g-'f-Ti 5rnfft T^t TTrJ T»ft »ft Ttf «r*r trtt tot 1 1 TOif+' ^ ft *r&iv$ ( « ) *rfe ft, t Vi^rnt Tt yTTT^ffT vt 185 Written Answers ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers ig 6

(d) what is the reaction of the ^ I cT^TTPTi nssH % Government thereto? * ^ ffrm^r % vsn srhr-

nsd M ^ T t vilidlr I THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI H. M. PATEL): (a) to (d). Govern­ Powerlooms Sealed by Central ment have received reports about the Excise Authorities agitation plan of the General Insu­ rance Employees’ All India Associa­ 3009. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: tion to press for their demands which Will the Minister of FINANCE AND inter alia include (i) recognition of REVENUE- AND BANKING be plea­ that Union (ii) payment of Bonus at sed to state: 20 per cent (iii) reinstatement of cut in the Provident Fund rate, etc. The (a) whether a number of power­ whole matter is receiving attention. looms in Bombay and other places have been sealed by the Central Ex. C.BJ. Enquiry about Swaraj Paul of cise authorities since January, 1977; Amin Chand Peary Lai Group of Firms (b) if so,, what are the reasons therefor; and 3011. SHRI KANWAR LAL. GUPTA: Will the Minister of COM­ (c) how many such powerlooms MERCE AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND have been sealed in the different COOPERATION be pleased to state: States? (a) whether it is a fact that CBI THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND made inquiry about Shri Swaraj Paul REVENUE AND BANKING (SHItl of Amin Chand Peary Lai Group of H. M. PATEL): (a) to (c). The in­ Firms and who was also connected' formation is being collected from with copper deal; the Collectors of Central Excise and will be placed on the Table of the (b) whether it is a fact the Sabha as soon as possible1. Commerce Ministry stated that it did not know Shri Swaraj Paul of National Gas Tube Co. of London and it knew only Swaraj Paul of Discontentment among General Insu­ Amin Chand Peary Lai who had rance Employees in Bombay nothing to do with copper deal and other deals with M.M.T.C. of Com­ 3010. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: merce Ministry; SHRIMATI PARVATHI KRISHNAN: (c) whether it is also a fact that some Ministers along with Shri N. K. Will the Minister of FINANCE AND Singh and Shri S. B. Jain of En­ REVENUE AND BANKING be plea­ forcement Directorate managed to sed to state: give wrong information; and (a) whether there is serious dis­ (d) whether Government propose contentment among the general insur­ to make C.B.I. Enquiry against all ance employees in Bombay; those responsible for it as they knew that Swaraj Paul is the same person (b) whether the All-India Insur­ in both the firms? ance Employees Association has an­ nounced to launch its agitation plan THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE including dharnas, strike and hunger- AND CIVIL SUPPLIES AND CO­ strike; OPERATION (SHRI MOHAN DHA­ RIA): (a) No, Sir. (c) what are the demands of the employees; and (b) to (d). Do not arise. .187 Papers Laid JULY 8, 1977 Papers Laid

Allegations against Shri Rajani Patel H. M. PATEL): I beg to lay on the and his Wife Table.—

(1) A copy each of the following 3012. DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ Notifications (Hindi and English DIT: Will the Minister of FINANCE versions) under section 159 of the AND REVENUE AND BANKING be Customs Act, 1962: — pleased to state: (i) G.S.R. 426(E) published in (a) whether Government has re­ Gazette of India dated the 30th ceived several complaints from the June, 1977 making certain am­ public about suspicious black-money endment to Notification Nt 317— deals of Shri Rajani Patel, Mrs. Customs dated the 2nd August. Bakul Rajani Patel and Shri Ravi 1976, together with an explana­ Shukla, the Collector of Customs, tory memorandum. Bombay; (ii) G.S.R. 429(E) published in (b) whether Government have in­ Gazette of India dated the 1st vestigated into the financial deals and July, 1977 making certain am­ foreign commitments of firms like endment to Notification No. G.S.R. Protos Engineering Ltd., Sandoz Ltd., 41 dated the 3rd January, 1969, J. V. Gokul & Sons, C. Ramon and together with an explanatory me­ Others in the context of their con­ morandum. nections with Shri Rajani Patel and his wife; and (iii) The Notified Goods (Pre­ vention of Illegal Import) Am­ (c) whether Government have in­ endment Rules, 1977, published in vestigated into the connections of Notification No. G.S.R. 430(E) in I.C.B. (Industrial Consulting Bureau) Gazette of India dated the 1st with Rajani Patel and his wife and July, 1977, together with an ex­ the financial imputations arising from planatory memorandum. it? [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 639/77.] THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI (2) A copy of Notification No. H. M. PATEL): (a) Such complaints G.S.R. 818 (Hindi and English ver­ have been received regarding Shri sions) published in Gazette of India Rajani Patel. dated the 25th June, 1977 making certain amendment to Notification Complaints have also been received No. 145/71—Central Excise dated alleging association of Shri R. N. the 26th July, 1971, issued under Shukla formerly Additional Collec­ the Central Excise Rules, 1944 to­ tor of Customs, Bombay with Shri gether with an explanatory memo­ Rajani Patel and others in corrupt randum. rPlaced in Library. See activities. No. LT—640/77.] (3) A copy of the Banking Ser­ (b) and (c). No, Sir. vice Commission (Terms and Con­ ditions of Service of Chairman) 12.16 hrs. Rules, 1977 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE No. S.O. 415(E) in Gazette of Lidia dated the 25th June, 1977, under N otifications u n d e r C u s t o m s A c t , sub-section (3) of section 31 of tlie '■C e n t r a l E x c is e R u l e s a n d B a n k in g Banking Service Commission Act, S e r v ic e C o m m i s s i o n A c t 1975. [Placed in Library. See No. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND LT—641/77.] REVENUB AND BANKING (SHRI 189 Reported swindling of ASADHA 17, 1809 (SAKA) crores of rupees by 190 exchanging mutilated currency notes (C.A.) 12.18 hrs. July, 1977. The report alleges that: — CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER (a) In many cases, punched and OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE cancelled notes meant for destruc­ reported swindling of cruhes of tion were found in circulation hav­ rupees by exchanging at the Reserve ing been obviously stolen from the Bank of India mutilated currency RBI. NOTES MEANT FOR DESTROYING. (b) Often double payment was MR. SPEAKER: Shri Shiv Sampati secured on a single defective note. Ram—not here; Shri C. K. Chandrap- The note was first surrendered to pan. the RBI from where it was stolen and offered to the RBI a second time SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN (Can­ for exchange. nanore): Sir, I call the attention of the Minister of Finance and Revenue (c) Test inspection in a single pe­ and Banking to the following matter riod in a single branch showed an of urgent public importance and re­ enormous drain of Rs. 8 lakhs. The quest that he may make a statement total may well run into several thereon:— crores.

■‘Reported swindling of crores of (d) The RBi inspection has re­ rupees as a result of mutilated and vealed that Shri G. N. Khanna, an soiled currency notes of high de­ Officer Incharge of Currency in the nomination, meant for cancellation New Delhi Office, colluded with a and destruction, finding their way notorious gang from Punjab deal­ in circulation after exchange from ing in s°iled and mutilated notes the Reserve Bank of India.** in accepting such notes, bypassing the usual procedure. THE MINISTER OF FINANCE AND REVENUE AND BANKING (SHRI Sir, I have ascertained the facts H. M. PATEL): Sir, I rise to make with regard t0 these allegations. a statement on the notices calling my Briefly they are as follows: attention to the report swindling of In July, 1976, some anonymous com­ crores of rupees through notes meant plaints were received by the Reserve for cancellation and destruction in the Bank of India, Bombay ^ alleging that RBI finding their way in circula­ tion___ t Shri G. N. Khanna, the then Deputy Manager, RBI Bombay office, who was assiciated with the payment of the MR. SPEAKER: it is a long state­ value of defective notes presented by ment; it is four pages. You could the public, was favouring certain have easily laid it on the Table of professional dealers in defective notes the House. Now it is all right. What belonging to Delhi. He was imme­ €136 can be done? diately taken off this work. Although no irregularity was noticed in his SHRI H. M. PATEL: I am supposed performance aU Bombay, yet it was to read it. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise decided by RB^to check up his work to make a statement on the Notices in Delhi, where he had adjudicated cilling my attention to the reported defective 110168 as Currency Officer swindling of crores of rupees through from 6th July, 1972 to 9th May, 1974. notes meant for cancellation and des­ Since the defective notes passed by truction in the RBI finding their way Shri Khanna during the period July, in circulation. 1972 to 1st November, 1973 had ear­ lier been subjected t 0 audit check by 2. The Notices are apparently based the RBI authorities and no serious,ir­ on the report in “Blitz” dated 2nd regularities had been found, fresh 191 Reported swindling of JULY 8, 1977 crores of rupees by 192. exchanging mutilated currency notes (C.A.) [Shri H. M. patel] be known only then. The loss incur­ red by 1 e RBI will be recovered from audit check was undertaken only for Shri Khanna. Apart from prema­ the period from 2nd November, 1973 turely retiring him next month when to 9th May, 1974. A special procedure he completes 56 years of age, further is followed for the exchange of de­ action against him will be considered fective notes which are badly soiled by the Reserve Bank in the light of and charred and which cannot with­ tne findings reached after completion stand the rigours of handling under of the investigation. the normal procedure of examination, passing through the Claims Section As I have mentioned, the value of etc. Such notes are received in the the notes passed by Shri Khanna un­ Claims Section but the Currency Offi­ der the “special procedure'* which cer is empowered to adjudicate the are now under examination, is only claims himself in the presence of the Rupees 9.68 lakhs. The notes adju­ claimant and two other officers of dicated in the New Delhi Office after the Bank. During the period 2nd Shri Khanna left his charge have also November, 1973 to 9th May, 1974 Shri been test checked by the Inspector Khanna had adjudicated under the from the Central Office of the RBI. “special procedure” 441 cases, in­ No such irregularities have been no­ volving in all notes worth Rupees ticed. Similar inspections have also 10.18 lakhs tendered for exchange out been carried out in other RBI Offices of which notes worth Rupees 9.86 and there too, no such irregularities lakhs were accepted for payment. A have been found. test check of 185 of these cases by an Inspector of the RBI revealed that I now turn to the allegation that some of the notes passed for payment cancelled notes meant for destruc­ by Shri Khanna contained mutilations tion are being stolen from the RBI of a suspicious nature such as num­ Offices and find their way into cir­ bers erased, portions removed by culation. In the last three years, only sharp instruments, etc. Two already 30 cancelled notes in all of the value cancelled notes of Rs. 100 denomi­ of Rupees 1465 were tendered for nation were also found to have been exchange at the various Offices of the passed. Certain other procedural ir­ RBI. The notes were impounded and regularities were also noticed; Shri the matter reported to the police for Khanna had adjudicated cases with necessary investigation. As regards undue haste and the claimants weTe the allegation that RBI employees paid the exchange value on the fol­ are involved in pilferafe of cancel­ lowing day or a day after. Shri led notes, only one case of suspect­ Khanna’s actions in receiving the de­ ed involvement of some employees of fective notes directly from some of the Kanpur Office of the Reserve Bank the dealers in violation of the ins­ came to notice in June, 1974. The tructions to receive them in the Claim then Minister for Revenue and Ex­ Section first and in passing some of penditure informed this House about the notes which should not have been the incident in reply to Starred Ques­ paid and that too in m ch haste, in­ tion No. 481 on 23rd August, 1974. dicated that he was p<^ibly in collu­ The police have since launched pro­ sion with those dealers. In view of secution against Shri N. C. Jain an the Inspector’s findings based on a employee of the Kanpur Affice on sample check, a senior officer from whose person a cancelled 100 rupee the Central Office of the RBI Bom­ note was found on 27th June, 1974. bay has been deputed to scrutinise all On the basis of further information the 441 cases dealt with by Shri received by the Bank, some other em­ Khanna. The scrutiny is expected to ployees of the Kanpur Office were be completed in about a month and also suspected to be involved in this red by the RBI will be recovered from 193 Reported swindling of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) crores of rupees by 194 exchanging mutilated currency notes (C.A.) case and disciplinary proceedings the then hon. Minister Shri Pranab have been instituted against them. The Kumar Mukherjee also concluded bis U.P. CID, to whom the entire case speech by saying that so many millions has been reported, have not yet con­ of notes were in circulation. So, he cluded their investigation. The State pleaded with the House to realise the Government has been requested to difficulties, that this kind of things expedite the completion of the in­ would happen but on the whole the quiry. Reserve Bank was running all right. I do not charge the Minister that he is The RBI has taken several mea­ trying to whitewash that. But I must sures to tighten the procedure to eli­ say that the Government has taken minate the possibility of pilferage of this matter very lightly and in a cancelled notes and irregularities in casual manner. Otherwise, I fail to the exchange of defective notes. The understand, how they missed the call- RBI is also seriously considering in­ attention On the same subject which stituting a system of physical search was discussed in this 'House and in of all the employees concerned with which my hon. friend on my left, the exchange and destruction of soiled Shri Samar Mukherjee, also took part. and defective notes. At that time, certain important alle­ It should be clear from the facts gations were admitted by the Govern­ mentioned by me that the report in ment which I would like the Minister "Blitz” is highly exaggerated and to know. On 8th July, 1974, an Assis­ far from truth. The House will tant Treasurer was involved in the kindly realise that the RBI Offices same kind of soiled-note transaction process for exchange and destruction in the Reserve Bank of India, Delhi. a few thousand million notes every In the same year, in the same year. A few stray incidents of this month, ten-rupee notes worth kind which occur have to be viewed Rs. 6 lakhs were presented by the in this context. Every incident is Syndicate Bank, Delhi, and so many inquired into and *.he culprit ■> are notes which were rejected earlier had brought to book. found their way back to the Reserve Bank; that happened in the same SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: The month. In the Nagpur Branch of the Minister while concluding—in the Reserve Bank of India,, in 1974, the statement he has attached along with same kind of cases was found. The it and answered in this House on 23rd Minister at that time promised the August, 1974—has stated that this sort House that all these matters would of happening in the Reserve Bank was be investigated and proper action brought to the notice of the Govern­ would be taken. I am very sure that ment and that the report in “Blitz” the hon. Minister will not be in a is highly exaggerated and therefore position to say anything if I ask him nothing to worry about it. I must as to what action has been taken ab­ invite your attention again on the out these cases. About the Kanpur Calling Attention which was discussed case, 1974, he says that still the inquiry in this House on 27-2-1975. The is going on—even after three years. Minister said something about the Therefore, the main thing that I would Question in June 1974, but I am speak­ like to stress is this. There is a well- ing on the Calling Attention which was knit, well-organized racket running discussed in this House on the same around the Reserve Bank in a sys­ matter of swindling taking place in tematic manner to dupe this country; the Reserve Bank in the dubious it may not be to the extent of crores transaction of soiled currency notes. and crores of rupees___ *At that time, so many revelations were made, but there also, I must say MR. SPEAKER: Come to the ques­ with regret that with the same appeal tion. 1314 LS—7. jo5 Reported swindling of JULY 8, 1977 crores of rupees by 196 exchanging mutilated currency notes (C.A.) SIJRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN; But the,Reserve Bank are not above sus­ to the tyne of million of rupees, this picion, will the Government order a ^ scandalous transaction is taking place CBl inquiry into all these kinds of around the Reserve Bank in Delhi, happenings, not only in one particular Nagpur, Kanpur, Bombay... bank or against a particuler officer, but a comprehensive inquiry into all MR. SPEAKER: You have said that. the scandalous transactions which take place in the name of soiled notes and SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: The all that? Minister tried to evade that. That is I why, I am trying to bring to his no­ These are my ^questions*which I tice all the facts. would ^ke the Minister to answer.

Coming to this question which we SHRI 6uch an incident in this scandal, was given a prema­ casually: we take it very seriously. ture retirement, y Though it may be 1 do not know what gave him that ' termed as superannuated retirement impression... or something like that, the fact re­ SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN; You mains that he was asked to retire one year earlier. Now the Government quoted an incident of 1974 but forgot says that if, after the inquiry, it is t0 mention about 1975 which is a more serious one. found that he is guilty, the money will be realised from him. But, I think, in SHRI H. M. PATEL: It is almost as this case, more severe measures are necessary, and about the report in if he desires that I should give a list Blitz casting an aspersion, I do ot of all the cases that ever happened in know; it is for the Minister to clarify.. the past in regard to this matter. I just gave an illustration to show that MR. SPEAKER: You are converting we have been going into this matter this into a debate. You are only ans­ seriously. wering, point by point, to the informa- iton given by the Minister; you are Regarding the other question and not asking any question. the promises that were given here about whatever took place in 1974 and 1975, I will certainly enquire into SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN; My them and I assure the House that if question is this, whether any orders it so desires I will lay on the Table ‘from above' as was stated by the Blitz the results of our examinations of the were responsible for saving Mr. promises made by the previous Mini­ Khanna, whether any political in­ ster. fluence was there to save Mr. Khanna from being punished or prosecuted. So far as the CBl enquiry is con­ My second question is: I want to know cerned, I don't think it is called what has happened about those inqui­ for in this matter; but if we come to ries which were promised in the House the conclusion that such an enquiry in 1975; if the Minister is not in a is necessary, we will certainly take position to answer now, he may assure that step. We 'will go into the entire the House that he will give an ans­ question as early as possible. wer to this House later. 1 SHRI SAMAR MUKJIERJEE: (How. Finally, the most important ques­ rah):, The last part of the statement tion is this. Since the happenings in shows the attitude of the Government. 197 Reported swindling of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) crores of rupees by 198 exchanging mutilated currency notes (C.A.) It says that millions of notes come up such malpractices^to be carried on •every year for exchange and des­ more easily. truction and a few stray incidents of this kind which occur have to be There was a protest by the employees viewed in this context. If this is the and there was a„strikg_£gainst this pro­ attitude, then the statement made just cedure and that is on record. I would now is contradictory and that is why request the hon. Minister to take note I must ask the Minister to consider of these things. First, the Minister this seriously. This is a question of should unearth this recketeering ^nd a racket, not simply of an individual. then the special procedure should be This racket has to be unearthed. reviewed and changed in such a man­ Your statement has admitted that Mr. ner that no loophole^ are left. Not Khanna is involved in this incident of only there is a racketeering in the cancelled notes of Bs. 100 denomina­ Cash Department regarding the pass­ tion'* being /passed. Cancelled notea ing of the soiled notes, but I have got were passed and the passing authority a report where It is stated that a big was Mr. Khanna. This is a very recket exist5 in the Exchange Control serious thing. A soiled note can be Department also. , passed but if a note which has been cancelled is passed, then there is a MR. SPEAKER; That is a different racket behind it: without a recketing question. 1 organisation this cannot happen. That SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: But, is why, the main task will be to I am bringing it to the notice of the . unearth the whole racket. What Mr. hon. Minister, because the whole rac­ Chandrappan has pointed out is that ket is inter-cgnnected. This should such an issue came up in 1974, it came also be noted. up in 1975 and was discussed here in this House and now it is again coming While you have punished the em­ up. This means that some recket is ployee who has been caught with a going on. It has become public hundred-rupee note and have arrested through the papers and, having caught him and suspened him, you have al­ our eyes, we immediately reacted. Then lowed the officer premature retire­ how is (it that the administrative ment; he has not been arrested or . authorities could not react to these suspended. Why should there be two things before they came out in the types of treatment, one for the official pubilc press? That is why we say and the other for the employee? This that you must take this seriously. differentiation in treatment between the two should not be resorted to under this new Government; the atti­ Now, an Assistant Treasurer by tude must change completely. Will name Prem Dutta was dismissed, and the hon. Minister take these matters he must have been dismissed because very seriously and institute an overall of the same thing. But there Is no enquiry? This enquiry should not be mention of it in the statement. When held through the inspectors because he was the Assistant Treasurer, the they are influenced by the officers. I authority for passing the soiled and would like to ask the Minister whether cancelled notes was this Mr. Khanna. he is prepared to undertake a thorough Several complaints were brought to enquiry in these matters to find out the notice of Mr. Khanna but he re­ the racket and root out the corrupt fused to look into them. This shows machinery? liis involvement. lHe is directly in­ v olved in the racket; that is the in­ SHRI H. M. PATEL; I would like formation we Have got. And this to assure the hon. Member thaW take ‘special procedure’ that was adopted everything that he has said very afforded the loophole which enabled seriously. I will take note of the jo g Personal Explanation JULY. 8, 1977 by Minister 200

[Shri H. M: Patel] So far as the question of Shri ^various points that he has made. The Khanna being treated differently is hon. Member started by mentioning concerned( I assure you that that will a few stray instances as if I ignore not be the case We shall see that pro­ fcthem. As I have said, every incident per enquiry is held in regard to his ■Ts being equired into. That apart, particular involvement in this racket. the hon. Member has said quite right­ ly that this is something which is dis- sturbing and I can assure him that a very thorough enquiry will be held 12.40 tars. in both the matters, regarding soiled * notes question and the Exchange De­ LEAVE OF ABSENCE FROM THE partment. The hon. Member thinks SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE that the special procedure provides certain loopholes. We shall look into MR. SPEAKER: The Committee on this and the loopholes will be blocked. Absence of Members from the Sittings I have already mentioned that this of the House in their First Report is a matter which causes us a grave have recommended that leave of ab­ concern. I give you an assurance sence be granted to the following that we will go into the matter Members for the periods indicated thoroughly. against each:

(1) Shri M. S. Sanjeevi 13th June to 30th July, 1977 (Second Rao Session). (2) Shri Mahamaya Prasad 11th June to 5th August, 1977 Sinha (Second Session). (3) Shrimati Akbar Jahan 11th June to 11th July, 1977 (Second Begum Session). (4) Shri V. P. Naik 11th June to 5th August, 1977 (Second Session). (5) Shri Rooplal Somani 25th March to 7th April, 1977 (First Session) and 11th June to 25th July, 1977 (Second Session). (6) Shri Keshav Rao 11th to 30th June, 1977 (Second Dhondge Session). ?

Is it the pleasure of the House tha Mr. Speaker, Sir, yesterday when I leave as recommended by the Com was not in the House, the hon. Mem­ mittee may be granted? ber, Shri A. C. George made a state­ SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes. ment in the House that one private publishing house had utilised the sta­ MR. SPEAKER; The leave is grant­ tionery of the Railways to despatch ed. The Members will be informed accordingly. some of the invitations for the func­ tion that was held yesterday. I wish 12.44 hrs. to bring it to the notice of the House that yesterday on behalf of the Popu­ PERSONAL EXPLANATION BY lar Publishers, Bombay one sympo­ MINISTER OF RAILWAYS RE. sium on Marx and Gandhi was held in ALLEGED USE OF RAILWAYS which Acharya Kriplani and Ramesh STATIONERY BY A PRIVATE Thapar spoke. As far as the invita­ PUBLISHING HOUSE. tions "to this function are concerned, they were sent to 1400 persons includ­ THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ing 600 Members of Parliament from (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): both Houses. Most of these in­ 201 %. Personal Explanation ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) S.G., 1977-78 202 * by Minister Min. of Indy. vitations were sent either by must also own responsibility. my hand delivery or by the usual personal secretary deposited 33 unde­ postal delivery. Only ■" 33 ~ of livered cards in the Rail Bhavan ^ them were left undelivered and I ask­ which sent them through post, even ed the persons concerned to put these for that I must own responsibility and 33 invitations in the box of Parlia­ for that I express my regret to the ment Members at the Parliament House with the full assurance that House so that they could pick them as a Minister I will never utilise the up. official machinery for personal things.

Sir, I am glad that members from Unfortunately through mistake only^ both sides of the House have pointed those 33 cards were actually delivered out that they had received these in­ at the Rail Bhavan and by mistake vitations and that the stationery used these 33 cards were sent by the usual was not railway stationery. process of stamping by the franking machine. Sir, the stationery used was SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA not the railway stationery. Even (Begusarai): Very good. yourself, the Prime Minister, the Lea­ der of the Opposition and Members on DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEYA; both sides of the House must have re­ (Mandsaur): rose. ceived this invitation. . . . MR. SPEAKER; Wil] you kindly sit down? AN HON. MEMBER: Yes.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The stationery used was not the rail­ 12.48 hre. way stationery. Only 33 cards through mistake were sent through post using railway postage. Even there when it DEMANDS FOR GRANTS, 1977-78— was detected and also raised here, I Contd. made inquiries and I had that amount

of postage also deposited and the re­ M in i s t r y of I n d u s t r y ceipt is here----- MR. SPEAKER; Now, we take up the discussion m the Demands for SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Hear, Grants of the Ministry of Industry. hear. Motion moved: PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: “That the respective sums not Sir, this is the card, this is the en­ exceeding the amounts . on Revenue velope. These are not the stationery Account and Capital Account shown of the Railways. in the fourth column of the Order Paper be granted to the President Hon. Members should rest assured out of the Consolidated Fund, of that so long as I continue to be Mini­ India to complete the sums neces­ ster, I shall not misuse my authority sary to defray the charges that will as a Railway Minister. , come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of Only one more point. When it was March, 1978, In respect r of the heads found out that through mistake 33 of demands entered in the p second cards were delievered through Rail column thereof against' Demands Bhavan and then the amount l>f pos­ Nos. 62 to 64 relating .to the Ministry tage was deposited, to that extent, I of Industry.” * : -';cr:r 203 D.G., 1977-78 JULY 8,, 1977 Min. o / Indy. 204

Demands for Grants, 1977-78 w respect of Ministry 0f Industry submitted to the vctg of 'Lok Sabha. :X\n ■

4m>. No. of V,,. Amount of Demand for Gram Amount of Demand for Grant Demand Name of Demand on account voted by the submitted to,the vote of House on 30-3-1977 the House

Revenue Capital Revenue Capnal Rs. Rs. ■ Rs. Rs. MINISTIttUOF INDUSTRY

62T**Ministry of Industry . 1,05,87*000 .. 2,11,74,000

63. Industries . . 7198,69,000 80,04,89,000 15,87,37,000 1,47,74,79,000

64. Village and Small In­ dustries . 12,81,28,000 10,82,78,000 26,42,56,000 25,85,55,000

MR’. SPEAKER: Hon. Members who Tio h w I 1* have given notice of cut motions may kindly send slips to the Table indi­ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing, cating the cut motions they want to will go on record. move. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI; Sir, on a The time allotted for this Ministry point of order. is 7 hours. Now, I call Mr. Unni- krishnan to speak. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- (Badagara): The Speaker has already kil): Under Rule 377 I have given a called me. notce.. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER. But the MR. SPEAKER ; I have not allow­ Minister would like to make some ed anything. That has not been per­ observations. mitted by me.

STo mISm (*R- SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I have a point of order. Actually, for the last dh;) : t 377 % two days I have been trying to locate o tVt ipr w fen t...... the Industries Minister. This is an MR. SPEAKER-. You cannot %shouf important matter, sir- In Kerala there like this. It is not proper, is a strike going on in the HMT factory__ 12.49 fars. [Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is not a point of order. I am sorry. Please TTo B resume your seat. You cannot raise matters under '.he garb of points of • • • • order. Please have your seat. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The Min­ ister of Industry wants to speak. THE MINISTER OF, INDUSTRY Please have your seat. (SHRI, ); I

•Not recorded. 205 D.G., 1977- 78 ASADHA'17, 1898 (SAKA) Min. of indy. ao6

propose to make a few Introductory decade as it came to be called. It ^ observations..*.,.. resulted in a lot of expenditure to the exchequer only a year ago. AN HON MEMBER;^ You have only There are certain constraints which just taken over charge. we have inherited and which one may call as bottlenecks, but which need to SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I be tackled if the kind of thrust which took charge a little over three months we need to give and which we intend ago...... to give to the industrial policy is to be effected. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): His There are financial constraints. The knowledge is 20 years’ old. Please rate of domestic savings has been far don’t worry. from adequate. The planning has been haphazard, I could cite one instance. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES; Sir, Take the cement industry over which I am on my legs because there has so much is being discussed these aays. been a certain amount of debate going It was made out as though Janata on in the country in which some Mem- Party coming to power was the kind v bers of the House have participated of signal for cement to go under­ generally about the industrial policy ground. It is true that a part of ce­ of the Government and about what is ment has gone underground. It will feared ,as a shift in the industrial have to be unearthed. But primarily policy. there is shortage of cement in the country both in terms of capacity and I would like to start by outlining production. The gap is 2 million the immediate objective of our indus­ tonnes. Production last year was 18.B trial policy— million tonnes against the capacity of 1. Maximising production of con­ 21 million tonnes. You cannot achieve sumer goods. 100 per cent production in this indus­ try especially with the power cuts, 2. Optimum utilisation of human etc. which go with it. and material resources. Third is the problem of power. 3. Prevention of monopoly con­ Again there has been haphazard centration of economic power. planning, but nevertheless power is a 4. Speedy development of employ­ category by itself. There are power- ment oriented industry. cuts this year in almost half a dozen States ranging upto fifty per cent. 5. To make industry responsive Cement industry is one of those indus­ to social needs, tries where lot of power is consumed and we are having this problem. I be­ In the decade 1965 to 1975 industrial lieve we need to tackle those three growth in the country has been about problems and we shall do that. 4 per cent which is almost half the target set by the predecessor Govern­ The debate that I referred to has ment itself. It is lower than the plan been primarily concerned with what target and it is lowrer than the growth are the sectors which should receive rate in almost all the developing coun­ priority. During last month, June, tries whose resources both human and nearly 2.5 million of our young people material are not as good as ours. One have com© out of their schools, col­ may sum up that it was a decade of leges and universities of this country. stagnation, though when values get They need jobs from this month. perverted, one could call it a dynamic There are no jobs. In so far aS the 2° 7- D.G., 19 77-78 JULY 8, 1977 u. - * Min. of Indy. 208

[Shri George Fernandes] would like to reserve for this parti­ backlog of unemployment is concerned cular sector so that we- do not confine it is estimated anywhere between 20 ourselves only to lip-service to the million and 40 million; personally I be­ rural, cottage, village and khadi in­ lieve that it is 40 million. That does dustries, but that we specify Die pro­ not include large number of people in ducts, and we see that action is taken the rural areas who have only part- at the lowest unit level. time employment. So, the industrial By and large small-scale industry is policy must concern itself with tackl­ taken as an industry where there is ing this problem. It has to be so an investment of Hs. 10 lakhs and if oriented therefore to creating the it is ancillary industry, Rs, 15* lakhs. maximum number of jobs in the shor­ But I have just now discovered that test possible time. There are three 97 per cent of this small-scale Eectcr sectors which are generally accepted. is really a very tiny sector, smaller There is an attempt or there is a than the small-scale sector. It is tiny suggestion that there is conflict of because the investment is less than interest between those three sectors, Rs. 2 lakhs in 97 per cent of the small- rural and village industries and small- scale sectors. I have also discovered scale sector and large-scale sector. I that those who are in 10 lakhs range believe that there is no reason for any are tiny and small whose investment, clash of interest between these three as I said—97 per cent of them—is less sectors. I am talking of clash of in­ terest* but fixing of roles is very im­ than Rs. 2 lakhs and 66 per cent of them have an investment less than portant and this we propose to do. Rs. 1 lakh. This is a small sector. I believe therefore that priority in 13.0 hrs. our industrial ulanning will have to go to those industries where the maxi­ We would like to see that this sector mum job potential can be generated expands and expands rapidly. This and therefore 1 would start with sector faces a number of problems the Khadi. Village and Cottage Industries. most important of which is the com­ Lot of lip-service has been Daid for the petition which it faces from the larger last 30 years to this se:tor of our eco­ organised sectors and where it seldom nomy and to this sector of our indus­ is able to survive. They also have try. I will not go into the details at marketing problems, especially, the this moment. tiny sector. They still really have But, I have discover 2d that there are headged out and they also have pro­ number of problems which this sector blems of finance. Even the nation­ is facing, particularly, problems of alised banks, as we have just now witnessed, are able to pour Rs. 25 organisation, problems of marketing, and so on and we would like to soit crores into big business but they seldom find Rs. 25,000 for these emall- out these problems in this sector even scale sectors. So, the problem of while we put in lot of investment, even while we fix our priorities. finance is there. We would like to so organise this We would like to tackle them and sector that local resources are utilised we shall see that high priority is given to the maximum possible extent, and to this sector also. those products and rhose resources are Then, I come to the large houses, able to respond to local demands. 1 large sectors. There have been sug­ I have asked the Ministry to make gestions in the recent past, particular­ an in-depth study immediately on this ly, from the industries that the defini­ question and in consultation with the tion of the large houses should be Planning Commission we would like to diluted, that from Rs. 20 crores, it identify certain products which we should not be raised to Rs. 75 crores. 209 D G > 1077-78 ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Indy.

I am sorry that It is not possible. We Jme. And, therefore, there is going to do not favour this proposal. There is be no dilution. On the contrary, steps a lot of pleading on the part of the will be taken to see that concentra­ large sectors that they are the ones tion of economic power in monopoly who have the expertise; they are the houses is curbed, if they have all the ones who have the resources and they expertise, I would like them to put are the ones who have all that is back the expertise and, if they have required, all the ability that is requir­ all the resources, I would like them to ed to expand and to really go all-out put their resources into research and in developing our industry. development sections of their own in­ So, frankly speaking, I do not share dustries. I do not wish to dwell much 1 this view. In so far as money is con­ on this point. But, nevertheless, cerned and in so far as resources are would like to mention the fact that in concerned, the resources of the big research and development section, big houses come from the public flnarcial houses have done pretty little in the last thirty years. Indeed the indus­ institutions like the Life Insurance Corporation, Unit Trust of India, the tries still run after the multi-national nationalised Banks, the I.C.I.C.I. to collaboration and take the expertise. name them who are the ones who sus­ Take any industry from automobiles tain this sector. Another large part down to what you have. They are of the money comes from the share­ still unable to have some of the most holders whatever be the size of the important and basic and minor parts "equity. Hardly 15 per cent of the that go into the industry or even the ingredients that go into the industry. equity is held by the directors and their brothers and sisters and other There is hardly any break-through in relations a general and very vague technology which is the responsi­ bility of these big houses. I would term—and the rest of the money comes from the ordinary people, like to be enlightened on what &re the through savings and a bulk of the areas where they have mode a break­ money, as I said, 75 to 80 per cent of through in the technology. We keep shouting about our scientists going the money, is from the public finan­ away, namely, brain drain, sir, it is cial institutions of this country. So, primarily because the big sector in one need not talk about having resour­ this country has failed in its responsi­ ces. They do not have them. In so bility to provide avenues for our far as expertise and abilities are con­ scientists and engineers to go along cerned, I say that the expertise is not and show their own talent particular­ something that is inherited. There ly in the sphere of research and are people who believed that these development. Therefore, I would like were matters of inheritance a few days this sector while curbing its urge to ago and who still believe that the ex­ expand further and swallow whatever pertise in other sectors is inherited comes in its way to concentrate little from the administration to the politi­ more on research and development so cal and to the industrial levels. that expertise and technical know­ So, we do not subscribe to this view. how about which a lot is spoken is There are professional managers in made available to the entire country this country—engineers and others— and, particularly, to those sectors of who are very able people and they are the country where we need to put in the ones who are really manning the much greater effort. Industry whatever the size 0r the house. They are the ones who are manning the industry—the profes­ Then I come to the public sector. sional managers—and, therefore this There have been suggestions here and idea that big houses are the ones who there. In fact, during the last three alone can deliver the goods is * pro- months a number of Members on the iposition which"1 is not acceptable to other side of the House have been 211 D.G„t 1977-78 JULY 8, 1977 Min. of Indy. 212

[Shri George Fernandes] r, /es died a natural death in so far as speaking about the public^ sector public life of this country is con­ getting neglected and j o mention hav­ cerned.3 i ing been made of the public sector in the Budget speech of the Finance Sir, the Janata Government will Minister. So far as my own Ministry is concerned there are 32 undertakings develop the public sector. We will under the Industries r Ministry and my make it more efficient. We will see Ministry is also concerned with the that whatever impediments are there in its proper functioning will be re­ public sector generally since it is part of the industry. There were people in moved. The public sector has its this country who wanted to put an end faults. It is not efficient: at least rot to the public sector. I do not dispute to the degree that we would like it to be. It has not been able to divorce that. If hon'ble Members have for­ gotten I would like to read one para­ lot of bureaucratic hangovers. Lot of graph of a very interesting interview people think that they are not respon­ that appeared in the newspapers sible. We would like to correct what­ dated 28th August, 1975. I quote: ever shortcomings there are in this sector. The shortcomings are many— “ Q: Basically, it means you are some of which we have inherited. We against the public sector or its would like to identify the same and functioning. correct them.

A : I think the public sector Sir, we would like to expand the should function only in competition public sector in the sphere of ancillary with the private sector and where it industry and last. but not the least cannot function in competition with we would like to formulate a policy the private sector it should be allow­ where workers association with the ed to die a natural death. running of the public sector does not remain a slogan but it is translated Q: The government could run cer­ into reality. tain sections.

A: Why should the government Then there are sick units in this run them. Why should not let the country about which we generally private sector run them and govern­ have a weekly debate in this House. ment have control over them. I Many of the critics of the public sec­ mean they can say you can function tor forget that most sick units belong under these guidelines, put all the to the private sector. The main controls you like but use their reason why these units are sick is expertise.” that they are mismanaged.

AN HON’BLE MEMBER: Who is this great authority who gave the AN HON’BLE MEMBER: Corrup­ interview? tion also.

SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES; This SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Yes, great authority was the rising sun of also corruption. But that is a part this country. This great authority was of mismanagement. I would like to the only one who was deemed fit to have an effective monitoring and cor­ run this country in +he next genera­ rective action on the part of our Go­ tion. It is to the good fortune of this vernment to see that there .is no country that the people who held this sickness, in other words to prevent view that the^ public sector should be an industry from going sick.. We allowed to die a natural death them- know how these industries fell sick. 213 D.G* 1977-78 ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Indy. 2 1 4 '

We also know that most of the sick­ which has also been devastated if not ness fs because of the patronage which through war, at least through politi­ these industrialists received from the cal action. Government. That patronage will not be available qow. On, the * con­ trary I propose to set up a special cell Then I come to the question of in my Ministry, associating with it the licensing. In so far as the licensing Finance Ministry, Commerce Ministry is concerned, I find that there has and the Home Ministry. I repeat been a certain amount of liberalisation, Home Ministry because it is important but that liberalisation was not intend­ to see that those who misuse public ed to make things easy for everyone. money, misuse public trust are appre­ I presume there were certain people hended at the right time. If a wor­ who wanted things to be made easy ker goes late to the factory, he gets for themselves. There are some few charge-sheeted. But if an indus­ irritants and we shall see that those trialist goes with Rs. 25.0 crores down irritants are removed and license is the drain, he goes scot-free. We shall issued to fulfil the social objectives not accept this proposition and the also. kind of culture that has been nurtured in this country for the last 30 years. There is one rule for ‘haves* and there |Sir, there are certain backward is another rule for ‘have-nots*. This areas in this country and we notice shall not be allowed to continue. We that industrial development is getting will put an end to it. /Therefore, in concentrated in the metropolitan areas. so far as the sick units are concerned, I have always wondered why this is we would like to see that there is no so. I always think that night life sickness in the first instance and we in the big cities may be one of the should do everything necessary at factors which attracts the industries our level to see that if anyone tries for concentrating in the big cities and to go sick, we put him on the right refusing to go into the rural and back­ track before he really goes sick. ward areas. The tra^de union acti­ vity is there everywhere. I do not Then I come to the foreign collabo­ think that one can prevent it. We ration and investment. There will be would like to have an integrated ap­ areas where some amount of foreign proach to industrial development in collaboration and investment may be the country. I would like to take necessary. But we shall be selective. care particularly of those areas which There shall be no collaboration for have been treated as some kind of in­ brassiers and biscuits. But such ternal colonies by the previous Gov­ areas where there is a high degree of ernment I would like to name parti­ technical sophistication, such areas cularly three areas—Orissa, Assam and where new and modem technology Bihar and also the north eastern region are essential in certain spheres, in in its entirety. I have just now return­ those areas there could be and there ed from my rather extensive visit, a may be collaboration and investment. six-day visit. The amount of back­ After all we have to correct economy wardness that one sees in these areas that has been devastated during the is quite unbelievable. There are last 30 years. I therefore believe areas where people have to run for that if it is all right for Vietnam for 12 days at the rate,of 12 miles a day instance, to take a certain amount of to deliver a mail. Thousand years foreign collaboration and foreign as- ago there were mail runners and now ssistariCe to set right their war de- even after 30 years of freedom, we vasted economy, a certain amount of still have mail runners. That is the collaboration ^nd technical and finan­ extent of development. Bihar, for cial | assistance t; and investment may instance, is rich in coal, ore and mica. be necessary to set right our economy Name the natural resources they are 315 D.G., 1977-78 JULY 8, 1977 ,''a‘ Min. of lndy.M 2 l 6

[Shri George Fernandes] ^ [Failure \o produce necessary there, name the minerals they are cement required for the country there. But there is no development. J (5)-] m Take Orissa, you have all the coal, iron that you need, hardly any deve­ “That the demand under the head lopment is there. Take Assam, oil ‘Industries’ be reduced by Rs* 100.” and natural resources and timber are [Failure to manufacture re­ abundant there but no development. quired artificial limbs( 6).] And this holds good for the entire north eastern region. We have been “That the demand under the head using these natural resources of these •'Industries' be reduced by Rs. lt>3.” areas and developing certain metro­ politan centres in this country. We [Failure to manufacture tractors would now like the entire develop­ required for ^he country(7).] ment, linked with industry, to be carried on in a much more integrated “ That the demand under the head way and see that the backwardness of ‘Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” .this areas is removed. We shall formulate our policies to fulfil this [Failure to manufacture trans­ objective. As I said, I just wanted formers and other electrical appli­ to make a brief remark. I wanted ances required for the country to set at. rest the number of contro­ versies that have been coming, the (8).] number of misgivings that are there. “ That the demand under the head I will therefore now conclude with ‘Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” just one request. I would request the hon. Members from all sides of the [Need for manufacturing re- House to come forward with very required number of scooters (9).] concrete suggestions so that when we “ That the demand under the heaci go ahead with the details of the broad ‘Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” policy outline that we have made here, we have some very concrete sugges­ [Failure to industrialise didughl tions to act upon, particularly those prone and backward areas (10).] members who in the past could not do what perhaps they wanted to do so “That the demand under the head that we could implement them. ‘Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.”

SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU [Need to protect hand made (Chittoor): I beg to move: match industry from machine made match industry(11).] “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head 'Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” ‘Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.”

[Failure to take over sick mills [Failure to break monopolies in and industries(3).] industries (12)i] “ That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head 'Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” ‘Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” r [Failure of Bharat Leather [Failure to get profits in many Corporation in starting leather nationalised industrial projects units in some States(4).] (13).]

- “ That the demand under the head * ‘That the demand under the head ^Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” 'Industries’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” . 217 D G -< 1977-78 ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Min. oj Indy. 2l 8

[Need to increase subsidy to “That the demand under the head industries to be started in famine ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by stricken areas(14).] Rs. 100.”

‘That the demand under the head [Need to provide better and Village and Small Industries’ be adequate housing facilities to the reduced by Rs. 100.” industrial workers(37).] [Need for starting mini indus­ “That the demand under the head trial estates in rural areas(19).] ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” “ That the demand under the head ‘Village and Small Industries’ be [Need for setting uP industries reduced by Rs. 100.” in backward areas in the country (38).] [Failure to develop rural indua- “That the demand under the head tries(20).] ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the head 'Village and Small Industries’ be [Need to extend assistance to reduced by Rs. 100.” Kerala Government to implement their policy of setting up mini in­ [Need for developing Khadi dustrial estates(39>] industry(21).] “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by ‘Village and Small Industries’ be Rs. 100.” reduced by Rs. 109.” [Need to evolve an integrated [Need to increase financial national policy on industrial assistance to rural industries(22).] estates to create further avenues SHRI M. N. GOVINDAN NAIR of employment (40).] (Trivandrum)': I beg to move: “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” Rs. 100.” [Failure to set right affairs in [Failure to take over closed HEC Ranchi resulting in heavy engineering units in West Bengal, loss of production(41).] Bombay and Tamil Nadu(34).] “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by 'Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” Rs. 100.” [Need to speed up work eu [Delay in setting up paper cement factory at Valayee(42).] plants in Nowgong and C&char “That the demand under the head (35).] ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by “That the demand under the head Rs. 100.” ‘Ministry of Industry’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” [Need to increase cement pro­ duction in the cjuntry(43).] [Reported cancellation of orders pending with Larsen and Toubro “That the demand under the hea

[Failure to settle the demands I find the same in the Janata Farty of cement workers(44).] manifesto as well as in various other pronouncements of their Spokesmen— SHRI K. P. UNNIKR1SHNAN of that of ‘widowed Gandhians* Now Badagara): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, let us go into some of these things be­ we are very grateful to Mr. George cause they‘are relevant to the con­ Fernandes for making an outline, sideration of the Industrial Policy of though a very sketchy and brief one, the Janata Government at this stage; of what is supposed to be the Janata because we do not know the opera­ Thrust on industrial development. tional guidelines, we do not knvw how The former Minister had been replac­ they are going to function except for ed by a Houdini trick of the Prime the brief remarks that have just been Minister! He had been threatening to made on the floor of the House. come forward with a while paper and Mr. in a recent speech he had been threatening to come be­ said that he was against all controls fore the House with details of his in­ and regulations, that he would pro­ dustrial policy! The Prime Minister, hibit big industry from entering into probably, for his own reasons, has de­ many areas and that he would want cided to replace him vith a man who them to produce only for exports. But by all accounts is more dynamic. Mr. Mr. Mohan Dharia says that he is George Fernandes has taken the first against export-led growth. When Mr. opportunity to give us an outline to Charan Singh would want 50 per cent suggest that the is not full of the products of the large-scale in­ of false promises and false signals. dustries to be reserved exclusively for I would now like to go into some of exports, Mr. Mohan Dharia says, “We the brief remarks that be has made. are against export-led growth; this export led growth is the policy of the Congress Government’*. I am happy Not only that, because he has ac­ Mr. George Fernandes said that he cepted the collective responsibility of would not allow the public sector to the Cabinet, I would like to go into die and he quoted Mr. San jay Gandhi, some of the remarks and speeches I presume. Dr. Subramaniam Swamy made by some of his colleagues, not and other leading lights of the Janata excluding the Home Minister Mr. Party have been going around at least Charan Singh who has put forward his in the South—in Cochin, Trivandrum own theory of economic development. and various other places—almost re­ echoing the very same sentiments as those quoted by the Minister for In­ What is the Janata frame work be­ dustries just now and repeating almost sides its emphasis on neo-Gandhism, the very same words which he has besides its emphasis on various things just now quoted. If I knew that he like ‘Welfare for all’ would be quoting, i would have quoted back! I am happy he said there would t : Hf’FTt I be curb on monopolies, whereas Mr. Charan Singh said, “We are not for It is a very very, desirable concept. controls*' and Dr.* Subramaniam This i& what you find in Janata Mani­ Swamy said, “The present regulatory festo, besides of course a kind of framework has to be changed, not ex­ vicarious asceticism! I am sure that cluding curbs on monopolies.** From Mr. George Fernandes at least re­ all these utterances, I can orly con­ members those prrases, of ‘Widowed clude that this is a mindless party and Gandhians and sterile marxists, who a mindless Government at least as far had done damage to this country to as industrial policy is concerned. If -use a devastating phrase of late Dr. was all right to be so in February or Ram Manoher Lohia. March, but It is most unpardonable to 221 D.G., 197 7-78 ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Indy. 222

be so after staying in power for 100 gast that the Congress Government days. Their inability to evolve a pro­ in 30 years did not pay sufficient at­ per policy has been fuxther confirmed tention to agriculture and by reduc­ by the replacement of the Minister of ing everything to the level of your Industry, as I said, by a Houdini trick manifesto, all the complex continen­ of the Prime Minister. tal problems of a very complex, di­ verse economy to a single set of Let us look at the budget which crucial issues, do you think you can has the imprimatur- of the Cabinet. run away from your responsibility? Mr. Fernandes talks about curbing It is total misinterpretation of the monopolies, but this budget contains history of Indian planning to suggest rso many concessions to the mono­ that agriculture has been neglected. poly houses in the private sector. Mr. Madhu Limaye had characterised the budget correctly and I agree What has been going on during the with his assessment. What are the last 100 days has been steady under­ concessions he has given to closely- mining of the public sector, what­ held companies and in regard to ever else the Minister for Industries capital gains tax? How does he deal may have said here. What was con­ with the small scale industries, radio ceived by Jawaharlal Nehru as pace­ and tool manufacturers? This is the setter, to quote Mr. Bahuguna's Janata projection! Mr. Fernandes words yesterday, for the economy, talks of the magnetic attraction that what was sought to be in charge of the cities hold for large-scale indus-t commanding heights of economy is tries. It is not only night life but sought to be debilitated, whereas there are various other considers there has been, at least the Minister tions. I thought this remark should should know, an all round growth in not have cpme from the Industries ^turnover and profitability, invest­ Minister. What else do we find in ment, sales and capacity utilisation the budget? Denigration of the pub- in the public sector. Its gross profit ]fic sector. The Industries Minister has gone up from Rs. 146 crores in tried to run away by quoting Mr. 1970-71 to Rs. 668 crores in 1975-76, San jay Gandhi. He cannot run away a rise of 290 per cent and a net profit from the budget speech of the Fin­ of Rs. 306 crores, a rise of almost ance Minister, H. M. Patel where at unbelievable 1400 per cent. page 5, it is said: You say there is no systematic de­ “Primacy of agriculture does not nigration. What happened in the imply indifference towards or neg­ Heavy Engineering Corporation at lect of, modern industry. All that Ranchi? I would like to find out it implies is that in so far as a lar­ what the Minister, who has just been ger proportion of investible re­ replaced by you, did there. I would sources available to the public sec­ quote from ‘The Times of India1 tor is diverted to agricultural de­ dated June 23, 1977: velopment, resQurces for industrial growth will have to be found in­ “One of the major reasons for creasingly by enterprises them­ the difference in the performance selves generating larger internal is that morale is high in steel, but resources of their own through more sagging in heavy industry. “ Some efficient operation as well as more prominent Janata leaders, parti­ effective pricing policies.” cularly the Industries Minister, have persistently been running There are many more to be quot­ down heavy industry in public ed. Whatever else may be, you will speeches as well as in all committee have to do violence to facts to sug- - meetings.” 223 D.G., 19 77-78 JULY 8, 1977 Min. of Indy^ 224

[Shri K. P. Unnikrishnanj . '1 is the high capital intensity of Indian . — ' IS L industry;^/ It icosts Rs. 32,890/- for Now, you have only to go .thrpjj^h every job in projects financed by the the production figures of th^Jast 1.00 ICICI." This-was an earlier estimate. days which cannot be denied/jn the This was in 1968. Now it must have Heavy Engineering c o n v e x .in gone up. i 1 Ranchi. \ .,v Now, I come to Bharat 'He&vy More imporant is the demand pat­ Electricals. Another corporate plant tern. Given the present level of in­ of that great organisation which is comes both in the rural and jjrban one of the greatest heavy electrical sectors, and considering the dimen­ firms today in the world, about which sions of our poverty, we cannot sell every Indian should be proud of is many industrial goods in the coun­ in jeopardy, thanks to this Minister. try. This was porved in a study And REMCO which is a subsidiary undertaken which said this about our of BHEL, has been asked even to give industrial sector: up its programme, even after the tooling has been over on industrial “An important feature of the electronic items and still the Minis­ Indian economy is the very narrow ter maintains that he would still do and distorted nature of industrial everything at his command to pro­ structure in the country. Basically, tect the public sector. As I pointed all the industries in general, and out earlier, the contradictions in consumer goods industries in parti­ Janata Party and pulls and counter­ cular, cater by and large to the pulls and the domination of a section demands of a very small section of people who are basically against of the rural and urban elite.” the idea of industry itself would compel! the Minister not to come In 1969, out of the total urban mar­ forward with clear-cut policy formu­ ket of industrial goods—which was lations. at Rs. 1600 crores—Rs. 568 crores worth or more than 35 per cent of What is the strategy of industria­ it was consumed by the top 10 per lisation? It is not only to raise the cent urban rich; and again out of national output and to achieve self­ Rs. 4600 crores—worth of rural mar­ sustained growth, but also to have ket—this is very crucial for the more §yen income distribution and Janata party—the 10 per cent rural social equity to promote regional rich consumed goods worth Rs. 1724 development; and above all to crores—that is, 37.6 per cent. That is acquire confidence in the future and a basic constraint of Indian industry use of our highly developed man­ and it is this distortion in the demand power resources. Can this be achiev­ structure. I would argue that the ed by the policy formulations of the Janata party? main constraint is not only capacity L utilization. Under utilization of ca­ I will come back to Mr. Charan pacity also plays its role apart from Singh. He wants to reserve the large- power and other constraints men­ scale sector to produce only for ex­ tioned by the Minister. The built in ports. I agree, that though the whole capacity cannot be utilized because process of industrialization in the they do not have the wherewithal to country has achieved many things buy the goods turned out. That is for us, thanks to the far-reaching the crucial problem. wisdom of Jawaharlal Nehru, several distortions have also appeared. That That is why agriculture is import­ is why the noted economist Charles ant. Unless you have thorough-going Betteheim called in the path of land reforms in this country, unless 'pseudo-industrialization.' Firstly, it you have a fundamental transforma­ 225 D-G*/ 1977-78 . ASADHA 17, 1899 ( $A K A ) Min. of Indy. 226

tion of the agrarian scene, you can- neurs and to the same product pat­ * not put money in the pockets of the tern. This is such an issue which l>eople, particularly in the larger can have, regardless of our differ­ rural market. Mr. Charan Singh has ences on parties, very serious conse- already declared that there is going quencee for the country. I do not to be no further ceiling and no talk want to say anything aboijt one of land reforms! I will quote the State or the other. That is not the new Finance Minister of West Ben­ poifct. You will see that much of the gal, Mr. Ashoke Mitra. who was also development has gone into the three the Economic Adviser to the Govern­ highly industrialised States of Ma­ ment of India. He says: harashtra, West Bengal and Tamil Nadu, where you also have three “Unless the institutional issues highly centralised industrial region» afflicting the fridian agrarian scene —Bombay-Poona, Calcutta-Asansol are first resolved, it is fairly point­ and Madras. This has been the less to expatiate on the Arcadia nucleus of our industrial develop­ that would be brought about ment. Unless you pay attention to through the development of agri­ this very serious problem by chang­ culture, agro-industries, small and ing the criteria for investment, I am , cottage industries.” sure it will only be utilized again by the monopolists whom you want to These deformities will remain as long curb. as these demand and product patterns continue. You cannot solve this There is a lot of talk of regulatory problem unless you engineer a fun­ framework. Obviously, as the for­ damental transformation of the agra­ mer Finance Minister, Shri Subra- rian scene, which the Janata Party tananiam, pointed out in his budget is not committed to, and which it is speech whatever Shri George Fer­ going to sabotage. nandes, Shri Chandrasekhar or Shri Madhu Limaye might say, there are Another crucial point is the ques­ a lot of people in the Janata Party tion of regional imbalances. It is who believe in the Swatantra ideo­ very vital. I have been shouting in logy. this House hoarse about it, not with much result. I am sure that possibly 'SHRI MADHU LIMAYE (Banka): the same things might continue. But It is a democratic party. 1 wish to warn the House that the entire future of our country is at SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: stake, if you do not pay enough at­ May be a democratic party, but it tention to this. has a projection of certain Swa­ tantra ideology. I am not saying We had made two or three im­ that you are a Swatantrite! Un­ portant contributions, particularly in doubtedly, the fact remains that the backward area development pro­ these projections are very visible in gramme, on the basis of what is this budget and various other pro­ known as the Pande Committee Re­ nouncements of Shri Subramaniara port, which is politically not a very Swsgny and others. I am not for feasible report for various reasons. bureaucratic controls at all. There Now the whole point is what hap­ are many controls, like control on pened to the subsidy of 15 per cent automobiles, which is meaningless. At that went into the backward area de­ the same time, it is very amusing to velopment programme? It went into see that there is no price control on . the monopoly houses; it went into truck chasis, which is used for mass the pockets of a few and it also went transport and transportation of goods. into the peripheral region. It went There is price control on automobiles into the hands of the old entrepre­ and cement, 40 per cent of which is 1314 L S —8. D.G.j 1977- 78 JULY 8. 1977 Min. of Indy. 22S

[Shri K. P. Unnikrishnan] a crucial difference. The Soviet Union, after 40 years of socialist deve­ consumed by the Government. One lopment, with a rich capital base, of the sources of black money gene­ with a powerful technological and ration in our economy has been this material base can absorb foreign bureaucratic control. Instead of using technology without damage to its in­ this in key areas and presssing it dependence and its sovereignty or the hard and implementing it, it was essential features of its economy, but given such an even spread that practi­ not so India, though we are not as cally in every industrial commodity backward as was made out by the you were generating black money, Minister, because he wanted to have whether it is cement, fertilizer or a dig at the Congress Government hundred other items, to the extent of and Congress policies. But some of nearly Rs. 1,500 crores a year, while its architects of our policy are sitting at the same time compromising on the there, not excluding the Prime Mini­ regulatory framework in its details ster. He cannot run away from the in key areas of industrial production. responsibility of Congress policies. He was in the Working Committee, he I am glad that something has come was a Minister for 15 or 20 years. out by way of a pronouncement, Not only was he the Finance Minister, official pronouncement, regarding the he was a very important man besides attitude towards monopolies. But I being the Finance Minister. Not aU would point out that even if the Con­ Finance Ministers are important that gress Government had not done it, way! there is no reason why you should not enforce the MRTP Act very effec­ tively. I would also ask him to con­ So, it is very important to remember sider whether the definition of "do­ that we have a diversified economy minant undertaking” in the MRTP and that though we have achieve­ Act should not undergo a change. ments, we have still not reached that I remember once Mr. Madhu Limaye point when we can have a large in­ had brought forward a Bill in this fusion of multi-national participation House. Now that they are demand­ in key or sophisticated industries ing that they should be scaled up to It will also lead only to export-led Rs. 75 crores, the definition and growth. Shri Charan Singh wants various other loopholes in the MRTP fifty per cent of the production of large are very crucial, but I know that, now scale sector to be marked for export, that the Janata Party has become the as though we are not susceptible to sanctuary of vested interests, not only the international market mechanism the native ones but of those who have at all, as though whatever you pro­ shifted their loyalties from the Con­ duce in Meerut or Ghaziabad will gress to the Janata Party, it would be be absorbed by the international very difficult for them to pursue this market! It will only make you more path. susceptible to the Influence of th,p An equally important point which multi-nationals. has not been clarified by the Minister in his preliminary remarks is their attitude towards multi-nationals. It Another important thing is the was fashionable earlier in this House— choice of technology. Multi-nationals, we had heard even the Congress with their global operations, have ai Ministers, not to speak of Opposition technology which is wholly irrelevant) Members—to say that if the Soviet to our conditions except in terms of Union could call Fiat or Monsanto exports, and now that the Minister Chemicals and various other multi­ has said that we should go in for la­ nationals why not we? But there is bour-intensive technology, for pro­ D.G., 1977 -78 ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Indy. 230

notion of rural and urban employ­ ral works programme will have infla­ ment, there is no choice other than tionary impact.' Dr. Lohia used to to close the door \o them except in talk about land army project which some areas where it might be neces­ was dear to him and rural works pro­ sary. So, I would like to get a gramme. Whait is not possible clarification On this point. through cottage industry may be possible in the alternate strategy of About the role of small-scale and rural employment through rural works cottage industries, {here has been a programme. The difficulty with our lot of m k about it. The Ford Foun­ cottage industries is that its expan­ dation expert, Mr. Eugene Staley, sion is only possible at the expense was brought here, arid for a long of more efficient and lower unit cost tiipe this talk has be^n going on, but competitors. Markets have no use for the most important question is whe­ their products. Their full price cannot ther we can turn to the historical ex­ be realised in the market. So, it has perience of Japan or other countries to to operate on subsidies. And it cannot our advantage and whether they operate on the basis of local demand. should have an autonomous or ancil­ With the poor assets position of our lary role. artisans, they cannot stock raw mate­ rials etc. If you funnel credit into He referred to the tiny sector. them, you will get into difficulty. There are many genuine individuals in So, this is an area of serious policy the tiny sector. challenge. I with Mr. George Fernandes all success in this.

It is also this tiny sector which has But, I will conclude by quoting been indulging in blackmarketing of scarce raw materials. I can give from a study under taken by Hema- you a number of examples. So, it is lata Dandekar and Sulabha Brahame not only the question of organisation of the Gokhale Institute of Politics but it is also q question whether you and Economics, Pune: are going to put all kinds of raw ma­ terials, credit, etc. into the pocket of “With the commercialisation of these people. It is only in areas of crops a villager both sells his pro­ considerable agricultural growth as in duct to the city and buys his inputs Ludhiana where this technology as there. In the process he becomes well as this pattern of industrial or­ more closely linked into the urban ganisation can effectively function. complex. Rural demand is thus be­ But. ultimately, the choice of techno­ ing increasingly satisfied by pro­ logy rests with those *who own the ducts of the factory sector. With means of production. It cannot be improved bus and truck service decided by anyone else. villagers have gained better access to the city and are now accustomed Similarly, with regard to cottage to getting more goods and services industries, this strategy was tried ear­ there. This applies to even the lier for solution of the rural unem­ poorest in the village as is seen ployment. I do not know whether as from the daily purchases of the a strategy it is preferable to rural Lapur (Maharashtra) agricultural works programme but it was also • workers.’1 And again “Given the tried. Now the officials will .undoub­ present trend of commercialisation tedly, argue and say it is inflationary of crops, distribution of land and in impact ’ because^ everybody is afraid other assets in the village and the of deficit financing. I am not afraid . present resource base, it is unrealistic of deficit financing to^ the^t extent. .to concede ojE building up rural in­ You have just mentioned about rural dustries that utilise local products unemployment and they will say ru­ to meet local demand.” 231 P.G., 1977-78 JULY 8, 1977 Af in. of Indy. 232

I Shri K. P. Unnikrishnan] “Shares react. Pivotal scrips As 1 said, I am all for it. But I suffered a set-back in unofficial deals am not sure you will succeed because late in the evening here today fol­ it depends on many other basic and lowing the announcement of a minor fundamental questions. I would say, reshuffle of portfolios in the Unioa whatever has been emphasized in the Cabinet. remarks made earlier by the hon. Minister, whatever we can see through the thin or thick veil of the Janata Century, for instance, which rose Party’s industrial policy, is an uncon­ from the official closing of Rs. 485.58 cealed preference for private sector, to Rs. 487 declined to Rs. 480 in later denigration of public sector in the deals. Gujarat State Fertiliser dec­ name of decentralisation, new capacity lined from Rs. 574 to Rs. 568 while being created, for private sector, and there were sellers at Rs. 43.25 for talk of no nationalisation. These are Gwalior Rayon.” some of the major things plus plenty of concessions in Mr. Patel’s Budget. STRTT fa Before I conclude, 1 refer to a very crucial point. There is a small unit in your Ministry called, a commission #T ?TT^ f f WIT ft Ittft cTTHf ^ of inquiry into the Birla House. In the TgrrRriTT Report of the Ministry, on p. 56, in *r§ ? w r ^ para 2. it is stated: Pfi* *TTT ir+lri fq frl'l “The inquiry by the Commission T>"*H 77 ■^FTq TT ? is in various stages in respect of different matters. Two public hear­ ^TTT ^ | ings were held in respect of item 5frf?r ?r * (ii) above during the year under report.” ^r<«=ici*t 1 ^ ^ % *rm% qfr- I can say. this is what was done by the Government. This is going to TTfT’T TRTT rl 3 TH ^T«T“ be a touch stone not only for the Janata ^TT ^? zrfe ^ ^ Party but also for my old comrade ^ f^F tS 1 * 1 George Fernandes. While I wish him all luck, I have to say that you cannot 'jft frrorarWr, wrff wtff %ftr repeat the path of Brazil or any other NT^ffar % ^TT ^ country as is sought to be developed by your friends of the Janata Party PrrorJT while there is no alternative to a eft ? WR&fTT ? f% ^ vigorous programme of industrialisa­ tion to resolve the basic contradictions but also to create a strong self-reliant ^rf^TT i economy and the prosperous country.

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    JTsr^far | s^fac; Sf “Jaipur Udyog Ltd. which has been ar^T ^TfrTT j *f banking with us since inception, start­ #3 I ed showing signs of sickness from around 1968 onwards and incurred a loss of Rs. 79.33 lacs in 1971-72 which has continuously increased ^ fl=rrH ?rraT ^fan: since then: the accumulated losses v\r frrm w 1 s? Tgr »m fa as on the 30th June, 1975 were of the s ^ r r Rs. 400.64 lacs. STFTT sfk #9FT5n^*R % I g;SRT ■qitiai jT fa> *T f*W sftr TTWR’ The main causes of JUL’s unsatis­ Ttan; sprf tr# t ? ^ factory working have been as under:— ^t*T *f ^t *WI { (i) continued fall in production fW n*, tfw tft *3:, * r f Tt arising out of complete neglect of the witt ^t Jf, smt plant; ^sff spt

    j f*rret «rr^ if (iii) managerial misdemeanours ^ i n f ^ r T g f a n «TT | in the areas of sales, purchases and 3?tt vnr^r^t ^ (• expenditure. % W[% ^rrq^ft ^ *I*T sftT In September, 1975, a stage came, wit Trvtfzn: n f *rfa when because of paucity of funds arising out of mounting cash losses, gtftr w rf?m * oft *rrr% ftRT irnfv the Company had to suspend their *T— ^litTt % I operations” M hts % m jft i

    faiT ®Wi ? tin* ^TTT fc<*T tT^ ^ ftrr 5ft, ^ ^ ^TRTT ^ Ulfr^T 3RTT | «Trfl W AM, ^ STtJPT W ) ^Tt ifr §*!T ? tcO»il-ZTfF |^TT I fWT ^ % l*^T» *7^ WX 1^ “The nursing programme, inter k r n f : alia contemplated that the Company would need a sum of Rs. 12 crores (revised estimates Rs. 14 crores) to "Kohinoor Mills was a sound con­ be provided by the Bank, term land­ cern only a few years back, but it ing institutions, deferment of excise has been completely ruined by the duty by the Central Government and Kapadias during the last few years. sales tax and royalty by the State Even before the promulgation of the Government of Rajasthan and also Emergency, the Kohinoor Mills had by sale of certain surplus properties” . begun to show losses. The loss for the year 1974 was over Rs. 38 lakhs. ST^rifr WT f?TT, *TRTT ^ ? In the year 1975-76 the net loss car­ ried down rose to Rs. 682 lakhs. The “Shri Alok P. Jain may remain as year 1976-77 was, if anything, worse Chairman of the Company’s Board than the previous years. The ac­ of Directors and the Management.” cumulated losses are now in the neighbourhood of Rs. 17 crores. It *grT | ^ 3TTrTT g should be remembered that these los­ es are absolutely fictitious. The Irfr^^TTT 1968 ?T I syphoning off of the funds of the TOR SFtT if Mills by the Kapadias is responsible ^rrRnr vhrm" R=m ^tztt sftr 1 4 for this state of affairs. In the mat­ ter of sale of cloth, evasion of excise, w tt jrt ferr wr w i t o r cotton purchase, purchase of dies sffarfr s f « i *mfr sff i and chemicals, purchase of machinery and spares, the documents showed w qfVonr % it

    It is a cry in the wilderness never­ to engage his daughters and sons- theless. in-law as advocates, if they were to expect any special favour from the SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: We Company Law Department. Th& have all supported you. autonomy of the Company Law SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Now what Board became a Action, and members do you propose to do. You do some­ of the Company Law Board obeyed thing. the oral commands of the Minister The Control of National Rayon was deliberately handed over to Sudhii : Hfan $ g w r fj fa Kapadiya.”

    f*rr *tt fc jT fa«rr ? snff fa*n i s jm ? ^rqffjrr 5pr TPff^ 3fffT sf^fr §■, ^TrT ^ I *TPT% *f VTrfl' ^ TT •TfT, O Tm «l I M ^TFT^nxt % ^RTRTT ^ f SHRI K. LAKKAPPA; They are all fa *pjt 350 | I your Finance Minister’s friends. I know how you are going to take action. 1 00 f^PTT t I ^ + 0 s ^TPTfolT ^ sptt f^rrr 11 % SHRI MADHU LIMA YE; Don't worry. STRTT *ftft % TTF ^ TOT ? SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: You take action. We are going to support you. ? trnrvt r There is no question of hiding any­ ^TfrTT g ft), w IT^T if TtfZt T3T ^T thing 17RT «TT I MlH°hl vTT^fNnrr SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: For God’s % ^*ft srfirf^ftr ? sake, have some patience, Mr. #5, Trf%mTT^ft ^ {z\ kakkappa. % IV^T ^TT I "37T ^nT^T ^rr T^T «TT ? % 3TT *T JT^T i (cmr«n?r) ■TT ^ ^ T t % *^6^ qr r % w m x q^ SHRI S. R. DAMANI: (Sholapur) What is all this? y n f o TT ^ ) v^tpr ^)r forr m r i ft ^ f^r^F MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I know s m r ^ r fan *pt i ^rfa*n ^ this. As far as the time is concerned, I w m % f*T*T |?TT I ^TT know what I have to do. I need not be reminded about time. gSTT, SfT t ^ T P g, ^fffNr ^T% ^ HTW I SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Three months have gone and you have not taken any “As soon as H. R. Gokhale took over action. the Department of Company Affairs, he started abusing his position for ■ t ^ T^T ^ ftr the benefit of his own person as ^ «?t *At well as his family. It soon became a must for Company Managements qwsr'nr»r S ljiiiO falT D.G., 1977- 78 JULY 8, 1977 Min. of Indy. 244

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    criticise always compare us to countries TO P^lHq] which are not comparable. They'com­ itt 11 «TT3T pare us with Japan and Germany which started their industrialisation fror t, wfirq * w along with the industrial re­ ^ ^I^TT, ^cpn ^*TT f^ volution two centuries ago. Our *rhjs& 1 srrc industrial development started only after the second world war, par­ ^ |, vjk ^frTT I 1 ticularly after Independence, what­ ever might have been the average dur­ JtOTCT ir *TT^ faa ^T ing the past thirty years of the Con­ gress rule, the year in which the Minis­ ^r*irir ^TV 3?TT ter gets this Department will show that ^TT HT5FTX * fedhrft Wft the industrial growth in this country I I % SFTift ?ftT *nW*T

    DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: No, Sir, I will give a few dashes of the I will not. brush to paint in relief what rich legacy the Minister has inherited. If you compare any country which has SHRI R. VENKATARAMAN: If you become independent after the second do not, then you may keep quiet. A world war you will find no country in measure of self reliance has been the world has achieved a rate of in­ achieved because today we have the dustrial progress and industrial dev­ capacity to build our own industrial elopment as India has done. No other machines in several industries like- country which became independant tractors, agricultural equipment, sugar after the second world war has built mill machinery, cement mill machin­ such a large capacity in engineering, ery, paper plants, commercial vehicles, casting, steel production, forging, che­ electric locomotives 'and so on. In micals, etc. as we have done. People who fact I was surprised at a newspaper 253 D-G., 1977-78 ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Indy.

    report, 1 hope it is wrong, that the Rapid economic growth depends present government intends to call for upon industrialisation. It cannot be global tenders for paper machinery. denied. The economic history of the There is absolutely no need lor calling world has proved very clearly that for global tenders or import paper the rise in the standard of living of machinery because today we have the people as well as rapid economic established in our country capacity for development has taken place only as production of paper manufacturing a result of industrial ^volution and machinery. It would be ridiculous to rapid industrial development. There­ import that machinery now. There has fore, we should try to look at the been diversification of industries from problem in its true perspective. With­ the traditional ones like textiles and out denigrating the importance of sugar into several fields like petro che­ rural industry or rural employment, micals, engineering, consumer durab­ we should see what is the place of the les, etc. All this has been rendered pos­ rural industry in the scheme of na­ sible by the application of the Indus­ tional industrial development. Ac­ tries Regulation and Development Act cording to ILO survey, out of the which saw to it that licences were total population of India, economi­ granted only to those areas in which cally active people is only 32.9 per there was paucity and scarcity and cent. The other 67 per cent com­ scope for development. On this occa­ prises of children, aid men and un­ sion I should mention a point for the employed. The corresponding ligure consideration of the hon. Minister. The for Japan is that 50.9 per cent are Industries Development and Regulation economically active. Now out of this Act was enaced in 1951. Since then 33 per cent economically active, 72 great changes have taken place in the per cent of the people are engaged in country; development has taken place agriculture, 11.5 per cent in Industry in several fields. It will be a good an3 9 per cent in tertiary sector like idea to have the Act reviewed and re­ banking, insurance and communica­ vised. The schedules were then pre­ tions. pared taking into consideration the rate of development and the nature of The poverty of India is mainly due development then prevailing in the to the pressure of population on land. country. Things like ceramics are now If 72 per cent of the working popu­ included in the schedule. It is neces­ lation live on land and only 11 per sary that we should review the sche­ cent are engaged in industry, land dule as well as the Act so that we may cannot sustain this large population bring it in tune with the current needs whatever inputs you may put in agri­ and also revise the schedule so that it culture. The economic history of is applied only to those fields where other countries shows that a large per­ control and regulation are necessary. centage of these people have been taken out from agriculture and em­ It is also a good idea for the govern­ ployed in other fields particularly in­ ment to say that every Act enacted dustry and tertiary sector. Therefore, shall lapse automatically at the end of our idea should be not to find more 25 years so that government may apply resources for the purpose of keeping afresh their mind to that problem. this 72 per cent of the people in agri­ Otherwise we continue to think in the culture, but to find resources for the same routine, notwithstanding the purpose of taking out at least 22 per changes that have taken place in indus­ cent more to the industry and ter­ trial development. The industrial tiary sector so that only 50 per cent climate is poised for a very good of the economically active people live growth. The growth rate of 10 on land. jJer cent which has been register­ ed last year, I hope, would not In this connection, the Finance Min­ only be maintained but also improved ister stated in his speech that in upon by the Janata Government. Japan four persons are dependent on 255 D-G., 1977-78 JULY 8, 1977 Min. of Indy. 256

    [Shri R. venkataraman] add or give a fresh, new wholetime employment. Therefore, you will have one acre of land while in India it is to think of a proposition in which not so. But the comparison is abso­ whole-tim e employment cai> be give* lutely irrelevant, because in Japan to the people by diverting them into out of the total economically active population of the country, only 19 small-scale industries. per cent are in agriculture. 34 per SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi): In cent are dependent on industry and 1000 hectares in Japan they utilise 26 per cent on the tertiary sector. 2,800 persons only for agricultural Therefore, what we have now to do operations. In India for 1000 hecta­ is to frame an economic policy, an res of agricultural operations, we industrial policy in which we will be need only 800 people. So if the Gov­ able to employ the surplus population ernment bas made a policy that un­ of land in the industry. In this con­ employment could be solved to a great nection. we have heard several state­ extent by mere inputs in agriculture, ments from several members. My I think they are justified. friend Shri Unnikrishnan went on quoting them and pointing out the contradictions. My submission is that SHRI R. VENKATARAMAN: Pro­ Industrial Policy Resolution of 1956 bably my friend was not here when is not the policy of a party. It was I mentioned about it. In Japan, out adopted by the Parliament and it is of the total 50.9 per cent of the eco­ a Parliamentary resolution. If any nomically active people, 19 per cent Government wants to change that are in agriculture, and 32 per cent Industrial Policy Resolution, they are in industry, whereas in India 72 should think about it, prepare their per cent are in agriculture and 11.5 new policy resolution, have it fully per cent are in industry. There is debated in Parliament. Then only already a great pressure of popula­ they should make the changes. Adhoc tion on land and unless the pressure opinions expressed by men, however or the load is removed and shifted to emine'nt they may be, cannot change industry, you will not be able to solve the Industrial Policy Resolution. unemployment, you will not be able Therefore, my suggestion to the Gov­ to solve poverty. This is the basic ernment is that instead of making thing. policy statements in and 0ut of sea­ son they should frame an Industrial The point is this. The small-scale Policy Resolution, place it before the industry is not one which produces Parliament for discussion, as it has consumer goods. If it were so, the been done in 1956 and then have it de­ market will be saturated and very bated and adopted. While it is true little expansion possibilities will exist. that further input in agriculture and AH over the world, small-scale mecha­ rural sector will increase the employ­ nised industries are mainly producers ment opportunities in that sector, it of components, ancillaries and parts. will not solve unemployment. In If you take, for instance, the General agriculture people -are employed only Motors in America, there are 19000 partially. There is a lot of under­ contractors who supply various parts employment in the country. In the to the automobile and the General single-crop area the labourers are Motors in Detroit is only an assem­ employed for 4 months and in the bling unit. These 19000 contractors double-crop area they are employed employ in their turn a large number perhaps for 7 or 8 months. The cot­ of people in the small-scale indus­ tage, village and other rural indus­ tries. Therefore, if you want to de­ tries will only go to relieve the un­ velop small-scale industry you must der-employment in the period during develop necessarily the area of the which they are unemployed or not manufacture of ancillaries, compo­ employed in agriculture. It will not nents and parts. Now, you come to 257 D-G-i 1977-78 ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Min. of Indy. 258 the next stage. If you produce an- of solving the wretched question of cillaries, components and parts, for monopolies. If you had said that you what industries would you produce? would not give a second licence to a Therefore, it is necessary for you to person unless he has implemented the have large and medium industries in first, and that you will not give a order that the products of the small- second loan to a person unless he scale industries may be absorbed. has re-paid the first loan—not in full, Therefore, there must be an integra­ but at least 50 per cent—there would ted development of large-scale indus­ have been no monopolies in this tries, there must be an integrated de­ country. This was not my idea. My velopment of small-scale industries revered leader Kamaraj made this providing ancillaries and components, suggestion in his presidential address there must be the rural industries at Bhubaneswar in 1963. But we did which will take care of the under­ not follow it. If we had done this, employment of the people. That is the cornering of the licences which the way in which we should frame ■had taken place, would not have taken our industrial policy and I do not place; and the cornering of the re­ think that this has been lost sight of sources of the public financial institu­ because though there has been a great tions would not have taken place. deal of emphasis on what is called rural Therefore, it is not very difficult to and agricultural sector, nothing has control monopolies, but we have a been said so far that the large-scale habit of creating organizations like sector will be ignored or will in any the Company Law Board, MRTP Act, way be restricted. Particularly I wel­ and posts of officers and of going come Mr. Madhu Limaye’s statement through all the rigmaroles of legal that they believe in the large-scale procedures. My suggestion is that we sector, that they will certainly not should at least now say that in future think of starting a steel mill in the we will not give a second licence to small-scale or in the rural sector. the same house until it lhas imple­ Therefore, I do hope that this balance mented the first. will be maintained.

    Another point which I want to I may share an experience which mention is about the import of techno­ I have had in Tamil Nadu. We start­ logy. We should not have a rigid ed an industrial estate in Ambattoor approach at all in regard to this. where we provide the open develop­ There is no use, nor is it wise, spend­ ed plots for the large-scale industries, ing our time, energy and money in sheds and other facilities for the small- re-discovering known developments, scale industries side by side, not inde­ i.e., developments known throughout pendently. Most of the other indus­ the world. At -a given point of time, trial estates in India consist only of we Should be able to buy the techno­ sheds which produce small parts. logy which is most relevant to us. But They are not dovetailed with the large having bought the technology, we and medium-scale industries. But we should do innovative and adaptation made an experiment of starting work on that technology, so that we medium industries, giving facilities to may improve upon it; and even sell them along with small industries. It it to other countries in the world. proved very successful. I did it with­ Japan has done it. Japan purchased out the consent of the Centre at that the technology in respect of electro­ time. I am sharing that experience nics, but it did innovative work itself only to show that that is the way in and was able to sell it to other coun­ which development should take place. tries, on the basis of the work it had done. Therefore, the emphasis in our public sector should now be diverted A great deal has been said about towards adaptation of technology and monopolies. There is a simple way doing innovative work on the techno^ 1314 L. S.— 9. . > 259 DG- 1977-78 JULY 8, 1977 Min. of Indy. ' 260

    [Shri R. Venkataraman] any amount of request by the Minis­ log y which we purchase. If that is ter to the cement factories will not dene, it will go a long way in helping work. ; industrial development. There is also the possibility of There are two points which call for establishing mini cement plants. We your urgent attention, because short­ tried this experiment in Tamil Nadu, ages are developing there. One is plants which can produce up to 60 cement. In 1976, our production was tonnes. This will have vertical shaft 18.6 million tonnes. The power cut in and it has proved successful, parti­ Karnataka, Andhra and Tamil Nadu cularly in areas where we have small had reduced it; otherwise, it might deposits. have been a little more. The capacity utilisation has also increased from 77 The other industry in which short­ to 88 per cent. But the target which age is deveoping is paper. Uness we the Planning Commission has fixed do something to increase the paper for 1978-79 is 23.5 million tonnes. I production, the nation will face a do not think we will be able to achieve great shortage in this field. the target in the present state of development. Out of the 53 units While going through the budget I which are in existence today in the noticed something which is very serious industry, 28 are more than 20 years' and I want the Finance Minister to old, which need rehabilitation ^nd look into it. The Finance Bill of 1976 modernisation. Without the rehabili­ gave investment allowance to all small tation and modernisation of those scale industries. The Finance Bill of plants we will not be able to produce 1977 has exl ended the investment even what we are producing now. allowance, but with a negative list of what is called luxuries. Many of the Then, we will have to start new small scale industries which are now units in the cement industry if we enjoying an investment allowance of want to face the demand that is grow­ 25 per cent concession will now come ing. Recently, with the increase In under the negative list, which has been building activity, the demand for put in the 11th Schedule, which means cement has gone up. My friend, Shri the concession which has been given Dharia, almost threatened people say­ to the small-scale industries has been ing that if they do not behave, severe taken away by the Finance Minister, action would be taken. I want to who was talking so much about the advise the Government that threats, development of small scale industries. inducements, promises or importuni­ ties will never work where there are Secondly, you are asking for merger shortages. The answer to scarcity is of sick units with better-managed more production. Threats will not units. The Act now provides that work. It will l^e like Canute’s com­ there shall be a certificate that efforts mand to the waves of the sea. are being made to revive and rehabi­ litate the amalgamating unit. But We must see why or how this short­ there is no provision for the employ­ age has occurred. In 1968 the capital ment of labour in the amalgamated cost of installed capacity per tonne was unit.The staff and labour in the Rs. 250. In 1977 it has gone up to amalgamating unit must be taken Rs. 600. Who will put up a cement over by the amalgamated unit. Other­ plant under these circumstances? wise, the object of the Government in Government have to look into it. They the take over of these industries, which can say, for instance that in the first is to protect the interests of labour, five years there will be no excise duty would be defeated. Instead of the on cement, or they will have to find Government taking over those units, subsidised finance for them. Unless if you allow amalgamation then the this difference is got ever, is bridged, industrial labour must be protected. 26l D.G., 1077-78 ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Indy. 262

    It should be made a condition that our country achieving the desired before any amalgamation is permitted, goal within a very short time, what the labour and the staff employed in will happen to the workers who are the amalgamating companies should going to be displaced from agriculture, be taken over by the amalgamated because, to improve our present lot, company or employer. the present percentage of agricultural workers will have to be brought down SHRI GEORGE MATHEW (Muvat- from 72 to 15 per cent. That means that tupuzha): A poor country like India, until and unless there is a correspond­ whose GNP is only 1.5 per cent of ing increase in the industrial sector, the total world GNP and whose that is absorption by industry of these population is about 15 per cent of the displaced workers, we will not be abl§ world population, to come to the to solve the problem of unemploy­ average world per capita income will ment. That is the main thing. So, have to expand ten times. How can the emphasis on agriculture is not this task be achieved? really going to solve the problem of unemployment in India. 15.05 hrs.

    [Shri Tridib Chaudhuri in the Chair] First of all, we have to curb the present' population growth of 2.1 to With a population growth of about about 1.4 or 1 by at least 1980. 2.1 per cent, which is about 12 million and roughly equivalent to the popula­ In this year’s Budget, provision for tion of Australia, to achieve the stan­ heavy industries is about Rs. 50 dard of the West European countries crores more than last year and for of the early’ seventies at least by 2001 small-scale industries Rs. 12 crores A.D., I think there has to be at least more than last year, but ori the whole, a 15 per cent growth rate instead of out of Rs. 15,568 crores of the total the present average rate of 3.5 per Budget, only a paltry sum of Rs. 337.5 cent. But we have got an advantage crores is allotted for the Industries over the developed countries, because Ministry. This is very small. the developing nations can learn from the mistakes of the developed coun­ The Finance Minister in his Budget tries. speech has said that industries will have to find the resources for their To achieve the 15 per cent growth development by themselves. It is rate, we have to increase our savings really a pitiable thing. This kind of and investments from 6.5 per cent at attitude will only make the rich richer present tcTl7 per cent, and also multi­ and the poor poorer. It is really a ply our industrial output 50 times and disturbing factor when you look at then change the share of the industrial the various growth rates of the States. sector of the economy from 15 to 37 The per capita income of Punjab and per cent and reduce the share of the Haryana is about 900, while that of a agricultural sector from 48 to 10 per poor State like Kerala is only 550. cent, and also reduce “the share of the How can poor States with no resour­ workers in the agricultural sector from ces, grow industrially without more 72 to 15 per cent. I do not under­ help from the Centre? Surely at least stand how the present policy of the 10 per cent of the total budget has to Government is going to achieve all be allotted to promote industries in this. the poorer States.

    It is appreciated that about 30 per Of course more emphasis has to be cent of the Budget fl&s been kept laid on employment oriented indust­ aside for agriculture, but with more ries. 80 per cent of India’s popula­ and more inputs in agriculture and tion is living in the rural areas and 263 D G * 1977"78 JULY 8, 1977 Min. of Indyv 264 [Shri George Mathew] past 26 years has been only 33.5 per the number of people living below the cent. If a speedy solution cannot be -, poverty line is increasing day by day. found to correct this state of affairs, It is said that for every lakh of rupees our country will become a steaming invested in small scale industry, on cauldron of discontent. an average, 21 persons can be emplo­ yed. That is double the number of Now I want to say a few things persons that can be employed in the about my home State, Kerala. It has large scale industry. So, small scale got 4 per cent of our total population industry will have to be encouraged to and has got a literacy rate of more solve the problem of 22 million unem­ than 60 per cent. Its per capita in­ ployed in this country. come is only 525 (9th in India) and its state budget expenditure is opi? 149 per capita (12th in India). The To solve the problem of educated unemployment rate has increased unemployed, the programme of 'seed' alarmingly, especially those of the money is appreciable but the young educated unemployed. To help solve men will have to be guided in such the problems of our Slate, the Central a way that they make their invest­ Government will have to absorb the ments where there is a potential for educated unemployed registered in the growth in the economy. Out of a employment exchanges of Kerala in its total work force in India of 180 mil­ public sector undertakings all over lion, public sector undertakings both * India. A special employment exchange Central and States, employ only 13 on an all India basis will have to be million and private sector 7 million. set up for the educated unemployed. Of the total population of 650 million These persons should be employed in 33 per cent are workers. So, indus­ the Central Government sponsored in­ trialisation will have to find the ans­ dustries on a first come first serve wer to India’s problems, especially of basis. the unemployed and those living be­ low the poverty line. The present de­ finition of large industrial houses has At present there is only one project to be lowered from the present 20 of the Hindustan Paper Corporation crores to 10 crores. This is the only Ltd. under construction in Kerala with remedy to curb the monopolistic ten­ an employment potential of 1800 per­ dencies of large industrial houses: sons. The Industries Department wiU otherwise, the large industrial houses have to help the people of Kerala in will naturally be gobbling up the small a big way by starting a tyre manufac­ and medium scale industries. turing unit in the rubber belt with a capacity of at least 50,000 tonnes of Then I come to the energy sources natural rubber. At present, there are of the industries. The sources that only 14 units manufacturing tyres and deplete fast like oil and which are very tubes in the country and out of this scarce in India, have to be avoided as only 10 are manufacturing automobile far as possible. More emphasis tyres. With natural rubber readily should be laid on solar energy, sea available in Kerala and the demand tide and wave energy, power through of tyres to go up from the present in-^ hydro-electric projects and of course, dustrial capacity of 71.29 lakh numbers atomic energy, if we can master the per annum to 97.15 lakhs in 1980-81, technique of breeder reactors and can there is nobody to fill up the gap. In find enough fuel for them in our coun­ the manufacture of tyres, the import try. component at present is very little. Ex­ ports of tyres have risen in 1974-75u Industrial production has increased from 9.28 crores to 17.39 crores In 1976*“ only by 6.1 per cent from 1950 to 1975. With a glut in natural rubber produc­ Due to the population increase of 71 tion, with prices ranging below the per cent, our total growth in the world market, the Industries Depart­ 265 ^- 1W7-78 JULY 8, 1977 Min. of Indy. 268

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The day of the there are a large number of amend­ imposition of Emergency two years ago ments which are proposed to be moved. was a day of sorrow and shame and its I am therefore afraid that there may second anniversary should be observed not be any time left for my Resolution. as a day of repentance by all those who I want an assurance from the chair had supported the imposition of that I will be allowed to move it. I Emergency. Both those inside the Con­ need only five minutes. gress Party and those outside the Con­ MR. CHAIRMAN: The time allotted gress Party who had supported the is two hours, out of which five minutes Emergency should observe that day as have already been taken. So the a day of repentance. I do not know, balance is one hour and fifty-flve whether they did that, as a sort of minutes and I think five minutes will self-introspection and repented and be left for you. atoned, but no paschtap seems to have come. On that day, when the SHRI P. K. DEO: I would respect­ emergency was clamped, there was a fully submit that Members from strange and tragic coincidence. The various Parties have unanimously emergency was clamped In 1975, the jgreed to give two hours for Mr. silver jubilee year of the Republic and Kamath’s Resolution. of the Constitution. It was argued by 273 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Democratic Norms 274 by former PM. (Res.) those who clamped it that they had esc. stitution as it is being built, as it is ercised their constitutional power, that being framed by us here, sometimes the Constitution had provided for it. I apprehend that this Constitution may not last very long. I am reminded and I would like to remind the House of those stormy That was in 1949. Then, debates in the Constituent Assembly “God forbid that my fear should which took place at that time, and come to pass. But 1 occasionally fear raged for five days in August 1949. that the Constitution- the whole of I would like to take the House back it, at any rate may not last many with me to one of those debates. Even more years than one can count on Dr. Ambedkar at one stage had said the fingers of one’s hands.” that he was inclined to agree with the critics of the Article in the Constitu­ The first amendment of the Con­ tion providing for Emergency and he stitution was introduced in 1952; the hoped that that would remain a dead Constitution had been promulgated in letter. That was what he had hoped 1950. Then, for. If he had been alive today, he would have seen how the provisions, “ That is what I feel; I hope, I am which he hoped would remain ‘dead’ wrong and I hope, I am not painting were alive and kicking. In August, too gloomy a picture, but Sir, 1 wish 1949 speaking on the last day of the to plead with this House that by all five-day debate on the emergency pro­ means, if you want to save the Stater visions in the Constituent Assembly. I do save it, but do not unjustly had made a final plea with great sad­ deprive the individual of his .rights, ness in my heart and I had said: of his liberties; his fundamental free­ doms which we have in the opening Dr. Ambedkar might get up and chapter of the Constitution guaran­ reply; ‘Oh! it is just written in the teed to him.” Constitution; it will remain a dead letter. I hope, we shall not be re­ . .Towards the fag end of the quired to use it or to put it into Constitution we are taking away by operation.” I hope, we shall never one hand what we have given al­ use it. That is what he said on a ready with the other. This is not previous occasion. I agree Dr. the sort of liberty we have fought Ambedkar might say that, the Prime for. This is not the sort of liberty Minister might say that, and other we have fought for in the Freedom Ministers might say that. I readily Struggle. This is not the sort of grant, they are all honourable men, liberty that we are yearning for. they are all wise men and true, but This is not the sort of democracy we a Constitution is not meant for Dr. are building...... *' Ambedkar or Pandit Nehru or Sardar Patel; the Constitution is meant not And then finally I said: * only for this generation; but we are building it for other generations to “I fear that by this one single come, and not for Dr. Ambedkar and chapter, the emergency provisions the present Government. I hope, this chapter, we are seeking to lay the Constitution will last for many gen­ foundations of a totalitarian state, erations.” a policy state, a state completely op­ posed to all the ideals and principles That is what I observed at that time. that we have held aloft during the last few decades, a state where the Further, rights and liberties of the indivi­ “At times, however, apprehensions duals of millions of innocent women arise in my mind, looking at the Con­ and children will be continuously in 3 7 5 Subversion of JULY 8f 1977 Democratic Norms 27S by former P.M. (Res.) [Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath] There started the slippery slope and jeopardy, a state, if there be peace, then began ,the erosion of moral it will be the peace of the grave and values; and after the 1971 election, the Garibi Hatao election, the process the void of the desert. 1 can only pray to God that He may grant us was accelerated and then we saw one after another gradually and slowly the wisdom, wisdom not to take the path actions of the government headed by of catastrophe and grant us fortitude Shrimati Indira Gandhi seeking to in­ and courage.” vest one person with untramelled I concluded my speech with the words power, unbridled power. That was the of the Mahatma: direction in which the Prime Minister was moving during the previous 5 years before the emergency was ac­ That is what I said on the last day tually planned. of the debate on the emergency pro­ visions and finally when the emer­ gency articles were passed, I, with I will not tire the patience of the great sorrow in my heart, got up and House by referring to the various in­ said—the members and the Chairman cidents, the various events which have of the Drafting Committee were an­ already been discussed in this House noyed with me— on several occasions, episodes likeTTa- garwala and Maruti showed that ‘This is a day of sorrow and Parliament was being devalued. shame. May God help the Indian Parliamentary democracy which star­ people." ted in 1950 was being gradually de­ Sir, I am very sorry to say that my valued and finally the eclipse came in fears came true 26 years later and 1975. Individual liberty was nearly what happened on that day, that is, on destroyed. Democracy was strangula­ the 25th of June 1975, did not happen ted. One person and perhaps another suddenly. There had been previous half a person, that is, lfr persons sought to graf all power into their preparations for five years or more. As a matter of fact, the soul was hands. I am sorry to say my firiends sold, erosion of moral values started on the other side that is, the Congress. not in 1975 but way back in 1969 Opposition today then played the role when the candidate for the President­ of, I will not use the phrase toadies ship of the Indian Republic—he will and flunkeys. I will use a milder shortly be a candidate again, as a word. I will call them invertebrates sort of poetic justice or a quirk of or back bone-less people. destiny, call it whatever way you like—was endorsed and his nomina­ It pains me to say all this that a tion field by a person who subse­ worthy daughter of a worthy father quently, indirectly, if not directly, descended so low and started on a worked against that candidate, that mad career, a drive for unfettered is, her own nominee whom she had power unbridled power, unburdened proposed. The then Prime Minister by scruples or principles. I may say it proposes his name and goes against was a drive for personal power and h im ... her party and partymen played her tune. I will not say that they danced SHRI P. K. DEO: It is a conscience to her tune because there is no danc­ vote. ing to a tune in the House. That was SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: distortion of democracy. That was On the so-called conscience vote he subversion of democratic norms. was defated. Sir, I am not concerned with personalities but with principles What are the universally accepted and values. Now, what happened? democratic norms? Those are right of 277 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Democratic Norms 278 by former PM. (Res.) dissent, right to a strong opposition, a SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: strong independent judiciary and a free In all 100,000 persons. The Prime press. All these, one by one, became a Minister and her henchmen and casualty. On the 26th June, as in war, hatchetmen went on repeating ad truth became the first casualty. nauseam that only a few had been arrested. They did not give the It was Mahatma Gandhi who taught figures. They said: ‘They are being us ‘Satya and Ahinsa*. Another Gandhi well looked after’— so well looked —a female Gandhi—came and made a after that a number of them died in slight change. That was a difference jail! Our great leader, Shri Jaya- of just one ‘matra’. Mahatma Gandhi's prakash Narayan suffered in jail. We Satya and Ahinsa became with her all know, the House knows, the whole Asatya and Ahinsa; That was a slight world knows about it I hope he difference that she made. But actually will recover fully. I pray for his long it made a world of difference—from life. So, 100,000 people were arrest­ heaven to hell. ed. And even on the 25th October, 1975, she had the audacity ta say this I would like to quote several in­ to Australian Television. stances of subversion of democratic norms. I have a heap of material with me but I will try to focus your at­ She was asked a question: ‘How tention and the atttention of the House long do you expect to hold your poli­ only on few major aspects of the sub­ tical opponents in Jail without trial? version of democratic norms. ‘She said: ‘A large number have been released, and for the rest, it depends MR. CHAIRMAN; I would also re­ upon the situation*. The situation quest you to keep track of the time went on and on and on till March, because you have alreardy taken 15 1977, when the day of liberation came. In between what other things happen­ minutes. ed, we know. Curtailment of the powers of the judiciary came in the SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH; I Forty-Second Amendment Bill. It will take about half-an-hour. My was originally introduced as the hon. friend Mr. Bosu took about forty Forty-Fourth Amendment Bill, but it minutes last time. My friends in the became the Forty-Second Amendment Congress are interested in rebutting Bill when it was finally passed. It my arguments if they can, and I will was brought in ostensibly to amend have to put it on as high a plane as I the Constitution, but in reality, it was can. I wonder if friends in the Con­ meant neither to amend nor to mend gress party are exercising wisdom. but to end the Constitution. That was what was sought to be done. We *F*rfr t i know the provisions of this infamous As I said, truth was the first casual­ document, which we, in our party manifesto, have promised, have pledg­ ty. I would like to refer to certain ed ourselves, to repeal. statements which she made here in India in August, 1975. Sir, accord­ ing to the figures given by the Home I hope and I wish that the Congress Party will have the wisdom to think Minister, about 30,000 persons had over this matter and see and cooperate been arrested under MISA and DIR. with Us in repealing this 42nd Amend­ ment before-it is too late because the people in the country had not support­ 67000 35000 ed it. They had oppoosed it. Before the Bill was adopted, the then Prime Minister fardeally—a big farce— Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 280 by former PM. (Res.) [Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath] MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kamath, you said that 'we want a nationwide de­ have only five minutes left. bate on the subject of amending the Constitution*. SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: I shall take fortyiive minutes. Shri Here, in New Delhi, many Opposi­ Bosu took fortyfive minutes. The tion Parties—all the Opposition parties House may also extend the time In at that time—including the present view of this subject of importance. Home Minister himself organised May I invite the attention of the a seminar in October 1976. Earlier, House,—because I find that our peo­ even before July 1976, we had ple are interested in this matter^— to set up a National Committee for re­ a very interesting statement that she viewing of the Constitution. We had made to foreign television. The ques­ almost arranged a Seminar in Gandhi tion was put to her: peace Foundation Building, booked the hall and everything had been done. ‘I have heard that Shri Jayapra- But, at the last moment, twelve hours kash Narain has said that finally before we were scheduled to meet, what you are doing is what he came an order from the District wanted done. Is he really an ene­ Magistrate or somebody else that per­ my? Is he really your enemy7* mission was not granted. And yet, she as well as her notorious, Law Minister went on saying ‘Yes, we are She said: ‘I do not regard anybody allowing a national debate; we are as my enemy.' (Interruptions). having a good debate, and the press is publishing all that is happening jn 16 hrs. the country about tjie Constitution*. She goes on to say: But, the press was prevented from publishing anything; nothing was “But I may tell you that he has allowed to appear in the press of publicly said and it is in print— what we said or did. The worst of black and white—that the Army it was that, contrary to all democratic should take over. norms, in any part of the world, in any time, in any clime, from ancient Democracy is not the system for days to the present day—I may even India and the Constitution also go to that extent, suddenly, one fine needs to be changed.” morning or one fine night, mid-night we found a young man emerging There is one priceless statement of her overnight as a leader through the tele­ relating to the utterances of Shri Jaya vision tube. (Interruptions) Prakash Narayan during the 1942 Movement. I quote: Recently, one of our former distin­ guished Members—I would not say “1 think that Nehru and Gandhi extinguished—from the former ruling were concerned with the unity and benches, former Minister, Shri Pai, discipline of the country and I am made a very very categorical and de­ as much concerned now about the tailed statement either here or outside unity and discipline. the House telling us all the nauseating details of how that young man who In fact, Mr. Jaya Prakash advo­ had been produced out of the televi­ cated something on these lines dur­ sion tube had sought to interfere in ing the 1942 Movement that the the affairs of all. I do not want to go students should pome out of,the into it though I have got all the mate- schools and colleges and the workers rails to mfer to that. But, Sir, I want should not work and Mr. Gandhi to draw he attention.... (I think here she means Mahatma 281 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Democratic Norms 282 by former P.M. (Res.) Gandhi) reacted very very strongly was arrested in Delhi at a prayer against it.M meeting organised by the Sarvodaya Sangh. Acharya Kripalani presided. Mr. Chairman, Sir, you were quite Hardly had Acharya Kripalani opened active in the 1942 Movement. I do his mouth to say a few words about not think Mr. Jaya Prakash Narayan Bapuji.—he said, “I do not want to made any such statement. speak about the Prime Minister, I do not want to speak about the Emer­ Now, Sir, I would like to come back gency. A ^ wvnr ^ if again to the Constituent Assembly as to why this thing happened. Why ^ r r £ 1” ■did she act as she did ! In this con­ nection Dr. Rajendra Prasad in his the police came and stopped him and Presidential Address to the Consti­ asked us to quit.. We refused to quit tuent Assembly sounded a warning. saying: it is a public place, we are He said: here, you can be here, you can sdt with “Our Constitution has provisions us. They said: “no” . But we refu­ in it which appear to some to be ob­ sed to quit. They arrested us; I was jectionable from one point or arrested; 6 others were arrested. **___ another. We must admit that Others left the place. Acharya Kripa­ that the defects are inherent in the lani was not arrested. There was a situation in the country and the peo­ false trumped up charge against us. ple at large. If the people who are You will laugh .when you hear about -elected are capable and men of it; the House will laugh to know that, character and integrity, they would what we were accused of, seven of be able to make the best even of a us. The charge sheet said these defective Constitution.” seven persons raised slogans. You cannot in your wildest dreams think of Mr. Chairman, Sir, in June 1975 she it. what the police sitting in their look advantage or exploited the pro­ rooms in Daryaganj can think; the visions of the Constitution and clamp- chargesheet said that the accused >ed Emergency and started on the road raised slogans: *rpf to power and dictatorship. Fortuna­ tely, for us the people of the country “ sr?: it*- ^ i” -and ihe people outside fought against it. We must appreciate the efforts But the magistrate had guts. 1 have made by Indians abroad during those a few words to say about him dark and dismal twenty months. We a young man; in those days of musi appreciate the efforts made by emergency magistrates did not have all onr friends—men and women— the guts to acquit people but he ac­ who laid down their lives inside the quitted all of us and in his judgement country and fought against it outside. passed strictures against the police Dr. Subramaniam S'wamy is sitting and said that that was a fabricated here. We know how bravely he went case. He did so at that time; I do abroad and created awareness abroad. not know whether he was watched, Interruptions). whether he was demoted or whether the policeman was promoted; I shall try to find out whether he has been He went outside and criticised the demoted or what else happend to him government, not the country. . . .(In­ .. . . (Interruptions). terruptions). During those dark, dis­ mal days, there were as I said earlier, arrests -of hundreds and thousands, not I will not refer to any other instan­ merely arrests but torture, of many ces. The House is well aware, even who were subjected to, mental and Congress friends are well aware of physical torture, of such persons. I what happened during the emergency* 283 Subversion of JULY 8/1977 Democratic Norms 284 by former PM. (Res.) "2 2 % vTTTTTft |

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    «TT I » On March 24, we came to power. I SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH; It will only draw your attention to the was Somerset Maugham who once statement made by the Home Minister said: if a nation values anything more a fortnight ago in the Lok Sabha. than freedom, the irony of it is, if it is praise or money that it values more, MR. CHAIRMAN: You have al­ it will lose that too. Another thinker ready taken 40 minutes. has said if you are going to buy safe­ ty at the price of liberty, you deserve DR SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: Sir, neither safety nor'liberty. You may this is a powerful bill. It should be lose both safety and liberty. That is given more time. what happened in our country and SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH; therefore a crusade went on: We Because this is a very comprehensive did not want safety at the resolution I would request the House cost of liberty. Dr. Ambedkar had this and you to allow more time for this to say in the Constituent Assembly. resolution to my colleagues on both Dr. Ambedkar said in his last speech sides of the House. The Home Minis­ in the Constituent Assembly. “As has ter had disclosed in the Lok Sabha been well said by Irish Patriot Daniel that some officials holdings very O'Connell, no nation can be grateful at senior and responsible positions during the cost of his honour, no woman the Emergency had made confessions can be grateful at the cost of her chas­ in connection with the incidents that tity and no nation can be grateful at are being inquired into by various the cost of its liberty." He had warned commission's. Therefore, all that I the people that here in this country, have said is only the tip of an iceberg. Bhakti or the cult of hero worship is Much has not come to light at all so stronger than in any other country in far. The excesses committed, mur­ the world. He had warned the people ders committed and the police tortu­ not to lay their liberty at the feet of res committed, that are known to us any leader, howsoever great he may be, now are only the tip of an iceberg, because that is a sure path, sure may be 10 per cent of what has actual­ road to degradation and dictatorship; ly happened during these dark and and that is what we found in 1975— dismal days. I hope the Commissions 77. Then came'the day of liberation will do a good job and the country will after the sacrifice made by martyrs and know more about the misdeeds and the fighter, cruSaciers. The people had tyranny exercised by the former been terrorised by the mother and her Prime Minister and her gang during son. But the people voted fearlessly. these days. I had experience in my own consti­ tuency when I was campaigning for We have entered upon a new era Lok Sabha elections—I am sure my and for that I want this House to place ttriends had the, same experience— on record, joyfully and humbly Jts the Congress workers went about profound appreciation of the historic telling people frightening people, role played by our fearless people threatening people. through the ballot box in ousting a vile, authoritarian regime. In 1975 the Grahan—eclipse 'sparsha* took 1 22 % «rrr ^ 1” place, the suraj, the sun of our Jana- tantra was eclipsed and the ‘sparsha" We retorted saying. took place in 1975, Khagras and Pur- 285 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Democratic Norms 286 Av by former P.M. (Res.) nagras in 1976 and the vimochan star­ the people, for ‘janata*, was founded. ted in 1977 January. We And for the future I want the House emerged from the umbra into the to be pledged to this itieal and I am penumbra in January and finally into sure that all Members on both sides of the light in March 1977. And then the House will readily agree to the for­ since March 21-22 we have again been mulation of this goal of all our endea­ seeing the sun of democracy—Jana- vours in the near future, in the com­ tantra—freed from the eclipse, freed ing years. from the ‘grahan—I am tempted to say that it was not one of merely ‘Rahu grahan’ or ‘ketu grahan’ but of both Before I close, I would only like to 'Rahu’ and ‘Ketu’, both mother and son say this in all humility, with all ear­ both Shrimati Indira Gandhi and San- nestness, that it has been said that the jay Gandhi. And now, both have been fight for freedom is an endless battle. thrown into the place where they belong to. We have to fight and win freedom a new each day. The battle is never done and the field never quiet, and Now I come to the last part of the Resolution because that is the goal freedom’s battle goes on and must go which we of the Janata Party have on lest new tyrannies and new tyrants accepted—the goal or the objective of arise. That should be our watch our endeavours inside the House and outside—and I hope my Congress word. And we should see to it that friends also will have no objection and whichever Government is in power, will gladly accept that objective which they do not become power-intoxicated has been outlined in the last part of the Resolution. And what is that? It as Shrimati Indira Gandhi became. is as follows: — She might have started well, but power went to her head after 1971, and she became not only power-in­ 41... .solemnly pledges its earnest toxicated but power-demented. A poet endeavour for the speedy accomp­ lishment in close cooperation with has said: H Ml T the people and by peaceful, legiti­ mate methods, of a socio-economic ^ I ¥ki«l *T9rr eft *TFTT revolution, illumined by democra­ tic standards vivified by socialist 'Ssfcil ^ | ideals, and firmly founded on moral and spiritual values for which Lok- manya Tilak, Mahatma Gandhi and With these words, I would like to end. Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose suf. Another poet has said: fered and sacrificed, lived and died, “Though the cause of evil prosper, and for which Lok Nayak Jaya- prakash Narayan, three years ago, Yet ‘tis truth alone is strong: called the nation to battle.” Though her portion be the scaffold And upon the throne be wrong—• That was in 1974 when the frigle was sounded, and the battle joined which Yet that scaffold sways the future. was a peaceful battle for liberation a second struggle for freedom, and in And, behind the dim unknown, 1977, three years later the freedom Standeth God within the shadow. struggle ended in a complete triumph Keeping watch above His own.” and victory of the people and the Janata Government, the Government We were confident about this; and of the people, by the people and for God was still watching everything dur- 287 Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 288 by former PM . (Res.) [Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath] which Lok Nayak Jayaprakash Na-.{ ing the period of the Emergency. rayan, three years ago, called the And finally, the people bravely acted. nation to battle.” “Satyameva Jayate” used to be the hypocrite’s crest. And I am glad that Now, there are some amendments. the people, have finally resurrected de­ SHRI HUKMDEO NARAIN YA- mocracy, freedom, liberty and also DAV (Madhubani): I beg to move: the great ‘satyam’ again. It has been resurrected; from the ashes and we That in the resolution,-* are beholden to our people for the re­ surrection that came in March, 1977. add at the end— J end on this note. I know that “and resolves to make the con­ several amendments have come. After cept of total revolution a success, the amendments are moved, I will give to remove social and economic my reatction to them, in the course of disparities and to implement the my reply. I commend with all my principle of providing special op­ heart, with all my might and with portunities to the backward class­ all my mind, this resolution for its es, Hari j an, adivasis, women and whlole-hearted acceptance by both other religious minorities” (1) the sides of the House.

    MR. CHAIRMAN: Resolution mov­ SHRI YUVRAJ (Katihar): I beg ed : to move: . . * !

    That in the resolution,— “This House deeply deplores the cynical subversion of democratic add at the end— norms, the steep erosion of ethical standards and spiritual values, engi­ “ and recommends to Govern­ neered by the then Prime Minister, ment to make arrangements Shrimati Indira Gandhi and her whereby there may not be any gang during the dark days of tyran­ recurrence of such events in ny and terror that followed the Pro­ future.” (2) clamation of emergency on June 25, 1975, pays its heartfelt homage to the SHRI UGRASEN (Deoria): I beg inumerable victims and martyrs in to move: the crusade for liberty and free- • dom which the Proclamation sparked That in the resolution,— throughout the country, places on record, humbly yet joyfully, its add at the end— profound appreciation Of the historic N role played by our fearless people, “and resolves that stringent through the ballot-box, in ousting a punishment be awarded to those vile authoritarian reglfne, and sole­ who have subverted the democra­ mnly pledges its earnest endeavour tic norms and established values for the speedy accomplishment, in under the intoxication of power.” close cooperation with the people (3) and by peaceful, legitimate methods, of a socio-economic revolution, SHRI VINAYAK PRASAD YA- illumined by democratic standards, DAV (Saharsa): I beg to move: vivified by socialist ideals, and firm­ That in the resolution,— ly founded on moral and spiritual after “Netaji Subhash Chandra values, for which Lokmanaya Tilak, Bose” Mahatma Gandhi and Netaji Su­ bhash Chandra Bose suffered and insert “and Dr. Ram Manohar sacrificed, lived and died, and for Lohia" 289 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Democratic Norms 29< by former PM. (Res.) SHRI S. KUNDU (Balasore): I beg : ifrr ST'TflT to move: ^ ~ ^ ~ sreRr w r r 1 ^g-*rar 1 That in the resolution,—

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    f % fwz 1^ Sift committed, the aberrations which had taken place during the Emergency, srrtft TOT I, OT# ^\i ^T-^TT the excesses which were committed ^Tf^, 3 * *t*t *rt ^rr and which got blown out of all pro­ portions so much so that they spread ^TtTT ^if^li I like wildfire on an issue which poli­ tically is a non-issue, like, nasban- SHRI VASANT SATHE (Ak0la ): I, dhi___ with all my respect and regard for my revered friend, Shri Kamath, must SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT say that this Resolution is a com­ (Manjeri): How can you say that? bination of some laudable objectives, That is a major issue. feelings ancl aspirations. In the latter SHRI VASANT SATHE: I say, po­ half of the Resolution he has rightly litically. It does not constitute a poli­ said that it will find support from tical programme or a political policy. all sides of the House but for, prob­ It was a programme which normally ably, inadvertent omission of Jawa- would be in the national interest. But harlal Nehru. In the course of his when an element 0f compulsion was speech, he has paid tribute to him. introduced and coercion was done, I do not think he has deliberately particularly, on minority community, omitted his: name. The contribution it resulted in aberrations. You see which Jawaharlal has made to the it in that context. It is in that con­ building ol' this country, cannot be text that that wave occurred. wiped out although some of my friend like Shri Subramaniam Swamy may Then, this is not a vote for one wish even that. They wish to wipe party in the country. If you take out the entire name of Nehru’s fa­ State-wise, the total number of States mily for crimes which are being in­ in the country that voted against the vestigated and which were commit­ Congress were nine States and the ted by one member in the family, Mr. total number of States in the country Sanjay Gandhi. I do not think that is twenty-one. So, don’t go by tbat. was deliberately intended. But if Why do you go by the number only? his name and the names of great men In the nine States of the northern from the south, Shri Rajgopalachari, belt, the population being larger, the Shri Annaclurai, Shri Kamraj and population being so much concen­ such others are added, then it will trated, there and the number of Mem­ give a complete picture. Let us not bers of Parliament from these nine forget one thing. While we discuss States being so large that the total the earlier part of the Resolution, I result is this. again plead with the House and my colleagues here that in victory one SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: must be humble and must not lose Democracy means number. perspective. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Therefore, we have also to consider this point. Let us remember that this vast na­ tion of ours is, more or less, a con­ tinent. The result of the vote is very MR. CHAIRMAN: You please ad­ peculiar. The southern part of India* dress the Chair. voted, more or less, totally, as did the northern India, in favour of the SHRI VASANT SATHE: My add­ Congress. The northern belt voted in ress is always through you. You one wave. Let us understand the kindly consider this, when I say you, phenomenon that operated. I said it it means through you. So. I would before also here. I do not want to like to plead with my friends here in defend anybody or anything wrong the House not to say that this s a vote 299 Su bversion 0/ JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 30c by former P.M. (Res.) [Shri Vasant Sathej SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: against emergency or against the Con­ Mr. Chairman, on a point of order. . . . stitution Amendment by itself be­ the hon. Member must yield. cause that would have been then the SHRI VASANT SATHE: Why? vote also in the South. If all the peo­ ple of the country were against the SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: 42nd Amendment, if all the people On a point of order. were againsit the imposition of emer­ gency by itself, then the vote would SHRI VASANT SATHf: Under have been similar throughout the what rule? Mr. Chairman, he must length and breadth of the country. satisfy you under what rule. It is not so and therefore do not get away with this idea that the entire SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: people of this country have reacted 376. in a similar manner. This distinction must be kept in mind because other­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: Is that the wise you will be doing injustice to point of order? You have to for­ the people of Andhra, Karnataka, mulate under what rule. (Interrup­ Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Assam. tions) Otherwise, I am not going to yield. (Interruptions) Do not say this mandate is in favour SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: of Janata Party-----(Interruptions) On the last occasion, his colleague, Your argument is a fallacious as you Mr. Mohsin, raised a similar point, say in yout Resolution. You say, we objection to the word ‘gang’ but the want to congratulate the people for Chair over-ruled that. (Interruptions) ousting a Mile authoritarian regime. They did not oust them. Why did SHRI VASANT SATHE: I was try­ the people of Karnataka not oust ing to point out that the language was them; why did the people of Maha­ so intemporate. What is the situa­ rashtra not oust them; why did the tion now? I will give you one ex­ people of Andhra not oust them; why ample. Just now, there were elec­ did the people of Tamil Nadu not tions in the Kashmir Valey and what oust them; and why did the people were the allegations made by Sheikh’s of Kerala not oust them? Are they Party and his wife against the Janata not the people of India? You can Party; these are the similar allega­ consider them as not people of India. tions which they had been making This is fallacious. That is what I against Indira Gandhi. Should we, want to point out. This is as much therefore, get away with this that the fallacious ag what you are trying to Janata Party’s rule or the Janata say now. Party's behaviour in the Kashmir Therefore, I am really pained to Valley was “cynical subversion of find that a doyen of Parliament like democratic norms, steep erosion of ethical standards and spiritual values Shri Kamath should have used such a language. Here in this resolution, engineered b y ..” in the place of he says, “ The cynical subversion of Shrimati Indira Gandhi and her gang, democratic norms, the steep erosion of “ ..b y Mr. Charan Singh or Mr. ethical standards and spiritual values, Morarji Desai and his gang” ? There, engineered by the then Prime Min­ murders have taken place. That is what they allege. Burning 0t homes ister, Shrimati Indira Gandhi and her gang.’' of people has taken place. That is what they allege. Arrests, indiscri­ AN. HON. MEMBER: You should minately, of hundreds of people have read this every day. taken place, without any reason. Mrs. (Interruptions) - . ; Abdullah has said this in her state- 301 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Democratic Norms 302 by former P.M. (Res.) ment. This is what they allege. What allegedly having lulled one FBI man, more do you want? Therefore, what although it was proved in the High I say is___ Court later on that he was killed in \ self-defence. I would like to know AN HON. MEMBER: But no Emer­ this. Did any Red Indian citizen of gency. the United States of America come to India or go to any other country and SHRI VASANT SATHE: Without go about making propaganda that de­ Emergency! It is still worse. At least mocracy was in danger in America dn Emergency, Constitutional, fun­ and that fundamental rights were damental rights and other laws can being denied to them? The black peo­ be suspended. But here there was ple in America are deprived of democracy functioning and yet, in their rights even today; they have the democracy, you commit all these made a petition to the United Na­ crimes! What are we to say then? tions. Have you ever seen any black man in the United States come to This_ two-year period in the long India or go anywhere else, to any history of this country—30 years have other country in the world, and con­ gone by and so many years will go demn his Government and say that by—, after some years, will be looked their fundamental rights are being at in a proper perspective. Emer­ trampled upon? (Interruptions) But gencies in democratic countries of here was a hero! He goes and makes the world like the United States have a petition. To whom? To the Ameri­ been there. Under the Constitution, can Congress. He does not have the there is a provision. They had de­ guts to come to India and go to jail clared Emergency four times: first, as Mr. Charan Singh did or Mr. in 1933 by Roosvelt.... Kamath did. He comes here, to Par­ liament, stealthily signs, shouts some­ DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY things and runs away. This is the sort (Bombay-North-East): That was Fin­ of hero that we have. And holding ancial Emergency. Conferences—‘Friends of India’! Are SHRI VASANT SATHE: To meet they friend of India? These are *who the situation of financial emergency, go about in other countries trying to National Emergency was declared. deride their own country.

    DR. SUBRAMANIAM SW AM Y: SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA But 'habeas corpus’ was not suspend­ (Delhi Sadar) : I rise on a point of ed. order. SHRI VASANT SATHE : In 1950, during the Korean crisis, against the My learned friend Mr. Sathe has threat of Communism, National Emer­ used the word * I think he gency was declared. We know the does not mean it. Whether it is Mr. famous McCarthyism which was pre­ Swamy or you or I, we may have our vailing under which hundreds and political differences of opinion on hundreds ' of people, in the name of many issues, but to call any Indian being Communists, were" detained • is not a good thinjg. I would without trial, without 1habeas corpus\ request my friend not to use that Was any voice raised against that? word. It is unparliamentary: Kindly withdraw it. In the United States of America, the Red Indians, even today, in their SHRI VASANT SATHE : If you see reserves, are deprived of their rights. the context, I have not said that Mr. .200 Red Indians were shot dead for Subramaniam Swamy is *

    •Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 303 Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 30 4 by former PM. (Res.) rShri Vasant Sathe] were living. Was this a torture...... Let me make this clear. I (Interruptions) Jalebis and ladoos have said that any person of were coming to them.... (Interrup­ any country who goes about work­ tions). ing against his country in an­ other country would be called • I would beg of my friend to consider MR. CHAIRMAN: I have asked the this aspect in the right perspective. Reporters to expunge the objection­ (Interruptions). able portion from the speech. As you said, during Emergency ex­ SHRI VASANT SATHE :* What do cesses by the Police had taken place. you want me to do? Can I bring back (Interruptions). My friend was just the laddus that they ate? now saying that over a lakh of people SHRI S. KUNDU (Balasore): What were detained. Instances of torture Hitler could not do in 19 years, these have been given and every day, flay people did in 19 months ___ (Inter­ in and day out, they are being re­ ruptions) peated. I would say that no human heart would ever justify what was sft v f 19 done to Raj an or Reddy or any other person for that matter. I am against such excesses and I am condemning them as vehemently as you are doing. SHRI S. KUNDU: They want to (Interruptions). get a certificate from Indira Gandhi. They were advocating her cause. Having made it clear that I am as They come here and after the speech, vehement and forecful in condemning they will run to Indira Gandhi and the excesses as anybody else, I want San jay Gandhi saying that they have to put it in the right perspective. So defended them. These people will many members of Parliament were never see the writings on the wall----- detained during emergency. I do not (Interruptions) know of a single Member of Parlia­ ment who has come forward v/ith any MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Sathe, please personal story of torture on him don’t excite the hon. Members. (Interruptions). 17 Hrs. ! ; If/ MR. CHAIRMAN : Order please. eTT^T ^Tf^Sr I (H W W l) SHRI VASANT SATHE: Shri SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- Jyotirmoy Bosu is not here; he can DER (Durgapur): Sir, the hon. Mem­ contradict me if he likes. I am told ber is misleading the House. Mr. that Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu was detain­ Jyotirmoy Bosu was kept in a solita­ ed in Jaipur. He was housed in a bun- ry confinement and I am asking if balow in the jail compound and was they are prepared to undergo the allowed to bring his family, wife and same kind of treatment. children and as given the allowance. (Interruptions) Every day, twice he used to go to the MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Chatterjee garden in a motor car. This was a will be speaking. He can contradict torture for Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu----- whatever he said. (Interruptions). Now, Mr Sathe, you please come to In Nagpur Jail, 500 RSS workers your last point. were detained. Food was coming to them from thei rhomes for these de­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: My last tenus. Sweets were coming to them point is about the so-called excesses, every wettk. This was the life they if that satisfies my friends. •Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 305 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 ( SAKA) Democratic Norms 306- by former P.M. (Res.) We talk of excesses.... HON. MEMBERS : Yes.

    SHRI S. KUNDU; Is there no tme SHRI P. K. DEO : Shall I get time? limit? MR. CHAIRMAN : Yes.

    MR. CHAIRMAN: If he takes more DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY time, it will be only at the cost of (North-Bombay) : I wish to con­ his party colleagues. gratulate Shri Kamath for moving this very appropriate Resolution. This (Interruptions.) Resolution, in my opinion, all said and done, considering what has hap­ SHRI VASANT SATHE : The pened is quite mildly worded. I would have preferred stronger words. In­ other day there was an incident in stead of using ‘her gang’ I would have Faridabad when atrocities were com­ used ‘her butchers'. That would have mitted. A foreman of a factory, a been more appropriate and perhaps Sikh gentleman, was tortured brutal­ parliamentary. Instead of saying ‘cyni­ ly. He was hung to a fan with his cal subversion*. I would say ‘per­ hands tied, he was tortured. Now can version*. Many of those things were anybody in his sense say that the perversion in the normal behaviour. torture of that Harnam Singh in Faridabad was done at the instance of Using of mild words, I think is an the hon. Home Minister or the Prime indicative of the fact that all said Minister? Can it be said? In the same and done instead of what happened, way, can you say that all the excesses we are in a mood to forgive. But at committed during the Emergency the same time, we must also not were done at the instance of Shri- forget what has happened. We must mati Indira Gandhi? (Interruptions). keep remembering it. We must keep My friends who were suffering repeating it so that it never happens from Indira phobia are still afraid. again. That is why I say, if now true demo­ cracy has come as Shri Morarji Desai Mr. Sathe who leads the attack after often says—people must become fear­ due consultation in the proper quar­ less, if fear has gone away from the ters, I am sure, brought the point minds of the hon. friends of Janata which has now been completely dis­ Party, that is not a sign. The display credited. He said, “This election actu­ that they made is a proof of their ally shows that the South voted for still being scared and still not being Emergency. The South voted for the free from fear, I would, therefore, beg 42nd Amendment. The North did not of Shri Kamath to re-consider and vote against the Emergency. The the first half of this Resolution should North did not vote against the 42nd be deleted. Otherwise, we will oppose Amendment, but voted against com­ the entire Resolution. pulsory sterilisation.” This is what he said. This Assembly election should Thank you for giving me this op­ have shaken him out of this compla­ portunity. cency. After all, in the South, the Congress Party did fight the State MR. CHAIRMAN: There are still Assembly .elections. Whatever the 12 members on the list. Besides there Janat Party's performance preserves, are five amendments which they want South was considered the preserve of to move. Time already fixed was upto the Congress Party and they got such 0.40 P.M. Is it the pleasure of the a beating in Tamilnadu. It was piti­ House to extend the time by half an able to see the Congress Party. hour so that all these discussions may In fact the leading lights of the Con­ take place and the Home Minister gress party have repeatedly felt in may also reply? this House and outside that had I not 307 Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 308 by former P.M. (Res.) [Dr. Subramaniam Swamy] what the exact situation was. It was gone to Tamil Nadu the Congress a great tribute to the Janata Govern­ would have got even fewer seats. It ment that Mr. Sanjay Gandhi could is a fact that the real strength of the go to the DSP and file a written com­ Congress party was tested out in the plaint. in their Raj could anybody South. I hope our friends of the Con­ hope to go and file a written com­ gress party will have no sweet dreams plaint? He would be ducked into but will come down to face realities, a bucket of water and thrown into ,and the reality is that they have no the Jamune river and declared that .place in this country, whether it is he drowned himself while in pur­ north or the south. In the south the suit! fact of the matter is that they were as much against the emergency as the During the 20 months of emergency, people in the north. They chose to 'Mr. Kamath used the word ‘cynicism* give an opportunity to somebody else to describe the events. I will give an and they ran on the coat-tails of instance of this cynicism. another party. If another election comes in the South, they will have They mentioned Rajan’s case as no place at all there. They say that deplorable. Did they know that? the vote is not a sufficient mandate for Well, Mr. Sathe did not know that the Janata Party. Everyone knows because he was going to Acharya that in the 1971 elections they got Vinoba Bhave and getting the anusa- only 43 per cent of the votes. They san parva and all these things as also extended the life of the Parliament reciting the upanishads. He was not twice. They got mandate only for 5 visiting the jails. Did he visit the years. For what? Not for Constitu­ Jail and see Shri Bosu whom he con­ tion Amendment, but to remove sidered to be his friend? Did he have poverty. After this 5 year period was the guts to go and visit him or other over they illegally extended the term Members of Parliament in jails? Did not once but twice. They felt they he visit any jail at all? He is now had the mandate to extend Parlia­ talking about Shri Rajan. He was ment’s life. They thought they had a so scared that even if he visited some­ mandate to justify dynastic rule in body whom some people did not like, the country. But that dream had to well, he might get one way ticket to be disturbed and people’s verdict as­ jail from where he may not be able serted itself. We in the Janata Party to come back out. He cannot speak got a mandate to restore democracy. from his personal experience. But, I We did restore democracy. We in the can say that cynicism did pervade. Janata party got a mandate to re­ Why? Rajan died on 2nd March; he store trade union rights. We did re­was beaten to death in a police jail. store trade union rights. We in theThe D.I.G. and the I.G. were seeing Janata party got a mandate to re­ in a close circuit television. On the store the freedom of the Press. We 24th September, a Central Intelli­ did restore that. We in the Janata gence agent contacted Rajan’s father Party got a mandate to bring freedom and told him that about his son’s t0 the people at large in this country where abouts, he could not promise. and we have done that. Later on he filed a report with the then Prime Minister, Mrs. Indira Gandhi that Shri Rajan had been Mr. Sathe said certain things and murdered in cold-blood in a jail and he shali always have the freedom therefore there was nobody left for to say whatever he wants He got up him to investigate that report which here and was very much exercised was sent by the Central Intelligence about the fact that Mr. Sanjay Agent. Did Shrimati Gandhi have Gandhi,— for whom he holds brief— the guts to write at least to Shri was detained in the airport. We know Rajan that she was sorry that she 309 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Democratic Norms 310 by former P.M. (Res.) had been receiving petitions from him of them should be in good shape. Sir, About the whereabouts of his son. it is not a question of treatment alone. The conditions were so bad. The Did she have, the guts to say ‘I am treatment was bad to very senior .sorry to say that because of misuse political workers. Look at Shrimati of authority by the Police, he had Mrinal Gore. Do not take my words. been beaten to death. I am very But look at what the Bombay High sorry about it. I shall suspend the Court had said. It was the Bombay police officers and hold an enquiry and High Court which had to liberate her give you any other compensation for from the conditions in which she was that.’ What happened was this. She living. I do not know what else was like a coward and hid herself could Mrs. Gore do? She went un­ behind in silence. derground. But she was caught from the underground and was tortured He mentioned about Faridabad and she was subjected to humiliation. incident. The first action that The High Court had to intervene in was taken by this Government her case. If it had not intervened, was to suspend the police officer. what would be her position? Today Why could they not do that? Rajan’s Mr. Sathe gets up and says that she case was known to the people in was treated well particularly. I think power, to the gang that he talked it is a matter of great shame if you about, to the butchers, if I would say so. refer to this expression. SHRI VASANT SATHE; I did not Sir, these people knew about it but say that. they kept quiet. They did not even / inform the father. I met him and DR. SUBRAMANIAM SWAMY: he wept before me and he said that You said that. (Interruptions). You it was a torture—one year of torture read the strictures of the high court. not knowing whether he was alive Look at even Shri Morarji’s case. or not. Why could they not tell him When his case was taken up, earlier? They would never have he was not even allowed to done it. In fact Rajan was dead. It see his son or daughter-in-law. In would not have been known but for regard to Shri Jayaprakash Narain the fact that we restored the rights and other leaders, the courts had to to courts and Rajan's father could come in. What happened? They go to the court and file a habeas transferred the judge. A judge of the corpus petition. When emergency is Gujarat High Court was sent from one declared in other countries at least corner to another and another to ano­ there they do not suspend the habeas ther corner. The judges were trans­ corpus but here the habeas corpus is ferred in this manner. That ?s how suspended. That is done only in coun­ they behaved and now they want to tries where there is total dictator­ hide that and say about the quality of ship. He talked about the treatment their leaders. The quality of their in jails. Shri Bansi Lai was telling leaders can be seen by the fact that that every leader in jail was being they ppenly lie low. Mrs. Indira given badam and milk shake and all Gandhi herself declared in 1973-74 her these lovely things, in fact, he said wealth tax return for Rs. 2.7 lakhs. that the conditions in jail were so Only Rs. 2.7 lakhs. This figure is a wonderful that many of the criminals lot. In fact it is so sorrowful to see did not want to leave the prison and that her tax return in 1972-73 which go home. Of course, one of our was only Rs. 3.1 lakhs had dropped leaders In jail told him that they now to Rs. 2.7 lakhs. Now, Sir, we would see in a few month's time that find from the government records—the Shri Bansi Lai himself would have to records of the Ministry of Works and spend some time there. Therefore, all Housing—that Mrs. Gandhi is paying 3 i i Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 312. by former P.M. (Res.), [Dr. Subramaniam Swamy] name of the Opposition by saying that an annual rent of Rs. 40,000.00 for her the Opposition is a bunch of crooks residence. If you add electricity and and black-marketeers. They are water charges it will become Rs. thieves and traitors. She said that 50.000.00 and if you add minimal liv­ wanted Army ing expenses it will be another Rs. rule in India. People in jail were 50.000.00 annually. So, her annual very unhappy about it. They felt that expenses will not be less than Rs. 1 this kind of thing should not go on. lakh. Now, a person whose expenses It must be replied to. Sir4 I remem­ are to the tune of Rs. 1 lakh annually ber Jayaprakash Narayan having sent without any visible means of support for me and said a few words which or employment must mean that she convinced me to go abroad. When I must have wealth to the tune of at protested that I would like to remain least Rs. 10 lakhs. This is the normal within the country and work then he calculation. said: Do you know if you are in London and get interviewed on BBC Sir, recently I took an architect and more Indian people will listen to you a valuer to Chhaterpur village and than if you stay within the country. saw the big mansion that Mrs. Gandhi The sad position of the country at is building. I asked this architect and that time was that you could more valuer as to what would be his con­ effectively reach from Bombay to servative estimate of this mansion? He Delhi via London than directly from said that it cannot be less than Rs. 6 Bombay to Delhi. This was the state lakhs. It is a huge mansion with a to which they had reduced the coun­ huge garden and it is centrally air- try. Sir, after my arrival in London conditioned. This is a clear question it became inconvenient for them. Mr. of dis-proportion. You have shown Hitendra Desai is not here. He talked income-tax and wealth tax return of about his brave role in London. Sir, Rs. 2 lakhs. Your expenditure is Rs. When Mr. Hintendra Desai came to 1 lakh which means you must have London he did not speak on Emer­ a wealth of Rs. 10 lakhs and further gency but he spoke on Hindu Dharma. you have a house worth Rs. 6 lakhs. He addressed a crowd of 40 people. From where did this money come. Then the Samachar correspondent was May be some part of the Nagarwala made to send a report to Delhi that fund is still being used? Mr. Hitendra Desai addressed a big public meeting in which he talked Mr. Chairman, Sir, there was a about the Emergency. Then came Mr. charge made against me by analogy Om Mehta, the tiger of MISA. I do that I engaged myself in traitorous not know where he has disappeared. activities by going abroad. Sir, there I have not seen him anywhere. was no doubt at that time that Indira When he came to London he did not was India and to oppose Indira was have the guts to address a meeting to oppose India. I did not go abroad even when the Indians there asked immediately. I went after six months him to address one. He went to a of the declaration of Emergency. I restaurant with five pleaders and the travelled on m y own regular passport Samachar correspondent was made to under my name—not in disguise—and send the report that he addressed a they could not stop me from leaving public meeting. They did not mention and retunring and making my appear­ that it was a restaurant with five peo­ ance in the House. Sir, the fact of ple eating tandoori chicken where the matter is that Mrs. Gandhi during nothing was talked except Candy and the Emergency gave as many as forty- some of the ministers. He was forced eight interviews. Out of these 48 to use the word 'gangsters'. You interviews, forty-two interviews were should see the speeches made by the given to foreigfi correspondents. In ambassadors. Mr. B. K. Nehru, I all these interviews she blackened the regret to say, is still the High Commis- ' 313 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Democratic Norms by former P.M. (Res.) si oner; I hope he will go soon; I hay* the mother and the daughter separa­ been informally told that he will be tely, in jail. I want to know from going and I hope he will be going Mr. Sathe whether he knew this. I soon. If he had any good sense he can tell you that Mrs. Indira Gandhi would have resigned himself. In his knew about it because we worte letters speech he said: Jayaprakash Narayan to her; we told her that these were is not a Gandhian; he was never a happening and keeping a 7 year old Gandhian; that Jayaprakash Narayan girl in jail is not right. We worte believes that ends justify means. Now letters to other Ministers, to all the anybody who had any relationship important ministers. We did not with JP would know the truth that write to Brahmananda Reddy because it was the farthest thing from his he was not functioning as Home Mini­ mind. In fact many persons were ster; Om Mehta was functioning from impatient with him and kept on em­ under him; we worte to him; we worte phasising that means justify ends. to all the important ministers. The But means are as important as ends: hon. Members there should tell us that was the constant theme of all the whether they knew that in Godavari speeches. And yet this was the kind Khana three boys were picked up for of thing said in London. pasting posters. What did the pos­ ters say? End Emergercy; Release About B. M. Kaul, the less said the all Leaders. That is all the poster? better. I am glad he h ^ run away said. They were taken to jail, stripp­ from the United States; otherwise the ed naked and tortured with cigarette Indians there were not going to allow butts; there are photograhs of this him to stay for a day and he came ' with me and they have been published away. But the kind of lies that were all over the world; their entire bodjT in circulation were unimaginable. was burnt with cigarette butts. After Therefore, I should urge Mr. Kamath that they were produced before magi­ to add those facts also in his resolu­ strate who was shocked and he got tion. them admitted in the hospital. The lawyers association went and saw 1 should conclude with asking Mr. them in the hospital and passed ** re­ Sathe some questions. Are he and his solution and sent that resolution tc friends aware of some facts. For Tndira Gandhi: Please do something. example in Bhopal a seven year old What was Indira Gandhi’s reply? The girl, a polio victim who could not walk president of the bar association was was in jail, kept there under MISA. arrested under MISA; this was her I can see that under MISA: reply. You are to apprehend a per­ son because a person is about to act in a manner to cause They are the guilty people; we must grave public disorder in the country. Vnow all those people through and But how can a seven year old girl, a through. History books will only ac­ polio victim who cannot walk, be a centuate the crimes that they have threat to public order in the country? done. We do not know the entire Actually what happened is this. The story yet. Some of the files they have mother Archana Mishra was an active run away with. I do not know where political worker and went under­ the files have gone; and it is going to ground and the police did not know take time to know the full how to bring her out. So they put this story. But this House knows girl in jail, all alone. The mother and the country knows that came crying to the police station and those people have behaved like crimi­ all right, please leave my daughter, nals; they either actively participated you can arrest me; I will not go under­ themselves or passivelv kept quiet ground. The police took the mother without raising a Httel finger. So I and put her in another jail and kept commend Mr. Kamath for bringing Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 316 by former P.M. (Res.) [Dr. Subramaniam Swamyy mortgaged their conscience. Did they think they were representing people forward this forthright resolution, mildly worded, I think proper for the at that time by surrendering their parliamentary forum. I hope the en­ rights and by compromising the rights tire House would unanimously vote 01 tiie people? Today, Mr. Sathe for it__ That will might be the is, giving us a lecture on the attitudes first step towards prayaschitta which of the people of South India and the will help you in the long run. attitudes of the people of North India. The whole game of ‘Divide* SHRI SOMNATH CHATTEKJEK and rule1 is still being perpetrated. (Jadavpur): After the shameless out­ 1 have no manner of doubt that the bursts of Mr. Sathe today, w> are people of South India will rectify happy that the people of this country their mistake at the earliest oppor­ have got their deliverance from the tunity they get. We believe in the clutches of tyranny. We shudder to democratic sense and spirit of the think what would have happened if people of South Indin. We lu not they were sitting or this side of the wjyit to make any distinction between House. Then '-he people of this +he people of North India and the country would have been under people of South India. This has been perennial slavery for ages and ages the expression of the largest number with no hope of deliverance. Mr. of people of this country, who have Sathe spoke of a * like Mr. Subra­ voted unhesitatingly against the p^rty, maniam Swamy. which was in power f *’ the last thirty years at the centre. Therefore you We have many differences wit a Mr. are trying to shed crocodile teavS for Subramaniam Swamy. But we ad­ the people of South India saying that mire him because when the peopls of they are the people who appreciated this country were be;.ng made a sub­ the socalled gains of the emergency jugate nation and were being treated and that the people of North India &s second class citizens v/ith no right did not understand it. Probably local left, he had been fortunate enough issues like language issue are exploited to get out of this big prison which was during the last Lok Sabha elections. India and go and speak for the people Tamil Nadu has at least cut them into of this country who were suffering size and 1 hope that Timil Nadu wave under the regime of these marauders 'will spread to Karnataka and other of democracy. At that time whey* Mr. places. I hope elections is held soon Swamy was speaking in America and there. England, the sycophants and serviles have been goii.g to No. 1 Safduriang Then, objection was taken to the Road with bended knees asking for word ‘gang’ in the resolution. I her mercy. This was the position. agree with Mr. Swamy that it is a They kept quiet when the people of mild word that has been used. Per­ haps the word ‘butchers’ is also a mild this country suffered and were made word. to suffer. When a lady like Sneblata Reddy had to give her life, whpn a They had plundered, looted and a young man like Raj an suffered and carnage was let loose in *his country died in prison, the lady sitting there by a handful of people taking advan­ at No. 1, Safdurjang Road her con­ tage of a temporary majority. Elec­ science did not matter at all at that tions were held in 1971. Elections time. This bunch of sycophants were not held in 1976 and the reason whom I call marauders of democracy, given was that election could not be those who did not have even the pli- held. A theory was adumbrated ghtest regard either for the people that they were infallible because of this country or for themselves, had their leader was supposed to be in­

    •Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 317 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (S-AKA) Democratic Norms 318 by former P.M. (Res.) fallible and indispensable. A new to make the invisibility doubly sure. definition of democracy was pro­ For a number of days there were no pounded out namely ‘Indira is India, switches for the lights in the cell. India is Indira’ and the democracy So he had to sleep with a powerful was for Indira only and Nehru’s bulb on throughout the night which family and the democracy was not attracted thousands of insects. Sub­ for Rajan or Snehlata Reddy or Mr. sequently the bulb was removed, Jyotirmoy Bosu or Mr. Charan Singh. but he had to live and eat in dark­ This was the position. Today Mr. ness. The fan which had been provi­ Sathe in his anxiety to support a ded for him hardly worked due to hopeless cause has given a go-bye frequent voltage fluctuations, apart to all senses of truth and justice. Sir, from load-shedding. There were a I would like to draw the attention of number of open latrines and drains the hon. House as to what was the near his cell; as a result whereof position of Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu about the place was infested with flies. The which I said during the debate in the open water reservoir adjoining the last House on the MISA Amendment latrine was also a source of danger. Bill when Mr. Brahamananda Reddy, This was the position and Mr. Sathe who has been cut to size now, was was talking as if Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu the Home Minister. We used to wit­ was in a delayed honeymoon in Jai­ ness his pitiable condition coming pur enjoying good time with his here as a homeless Home Minister. wife. This is the attitude. These are This was his condition, to put it shameless people. They should hang shortly. their heads in shame. This is the way they treat the representatives of the Mr. Bosu was kept in complete people. isolation in a solitary cell in Hissar SHRI VASANT SATHE: I protest. jail. As a practising lawyer, I had gone and taken interview of Jyotir­ I talked of his stay in Jaipur only. moy Bosu in Hissar jail. With great SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: difficulty I got permission and I was Sir, Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu’s father surrounded by the Superintendent died. Under an order of court he was of police, the Superintendent of taken to Calcutta and then he had jails, a ClD man in Delhi and ano­ his heart attack in Calcutta and an ther two or three persons whose attempt was made to forcibly bring identity was not disclosed and there him back from Calcutta to Delhi and was supposed to be a legal interview then to Hissar and it would have en­ between a client and a lawyer be­ tailed a motor drive for another 250 cause I was to move Habeas Corpus miles and probably that was the me­ petition which I did subsequently. No thod of accelerating the end of person other than those on duty Jyotirmoy Bosu. But the people want were allowed to go in. The cell had him, you cannot put an end to him so no window or door excepting a soon. What happened then? We went small ventilator at ceiling height and to court and obtained an order of a grilled iron gate. When there was court. The Medical Superintendent dust storm, he had no protection from of the Calcutta Presidency jail had such storm. The cell also got flooded recommended that without a proper when there was $ downpour. We treatment in Calcutta, he should not further understand that to make the be removed because the condition of isolation complete the jail authori­ his heart was such that he would ties had fixed two thick blankets on not be able to bear the strain of the the courtyard gate so that nothing journey. And until we obtained the outside was visible for him. Over order of the court, the Government and above kutcha brick and mud was adament. They said ‘We must take mortar buffer wall had been erected him\ We went to the court, the court 319 Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 320 by former P.M. (Res.) -[Shri Somnath Chatterjee] There were instances, so many in­ directed that without a proper treat­ stances of tyranny and torture. It ment and the clearance of the doc­ will take hours and days to explain tors he should not be taken out. The them, with whatever little details Government did not believe this. The that we have. We don't have all the Government made an application to details from all over India. It will the court for appointment of a panel take 2 or 3 hours to give the mini- f of doctors for the examination of his mum of details, about some of the health. They sent three doctors from instances and how they have taken Delhi. Three doctors went from place in this country. Delhi, examined him and gave a re­ Every democratic and political set port in writing that he should be on up was denigrated and every moral complete bed rest. Kindly consider and political value was decimated in what would have happened to Jyotir­ this country, during those 19-20 moy Bosu when the Government doc­ months, for the sake of the personal tors who were specifically sent from ends of an individual and her family. Delhi to Calcutta for the purpose of What we found was that an attempt ewaminii>g his health recommended was made under the garb of constitu­ that he should not be removed from tional provisions to set up a dynastic Calcutta and the Government was rule; and this gentlemen today and forcibly trying to bring him and put others like him were on their ben­ him back again in the solitary con­ ded knees and asking for their bles­ finement in Hissar. The object was sings. *(Interruptions) A half-edu- very clear. Because he was a thorn cated young man had become their in their flesh. This is the position god-father. (Interruptions) Shame­ and 1 think Mr. Sathe has learned less people. some lesson today. These are the people who declared a war on the SHRI VASANT SATHE: You are people of -this country and that is a lawyer. Can you show me one why when the people of this country provision in the Constitution which have earned their deliverence from leads to a dynastic rule? this ruthless regime, from a vile ad­ (SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: ministrative and political set up, it is I know he has lost his balance. Like meet and proper that in this House as his speech, I have to treat his out­ representatives of the people we burst today with the contempt that should thank the people of this it deserves. country for earning their deli­ So far as ths abuse of MISA is verence, giving us back our concerned, I don’t have to tell hon. right to speak, express their friends here. Everybody knows it; urges and aspirations before this but how did it happen. Not only poli­ House so that this may be a country tical people, but government servants where rule of law prevails, at least were also put under MISA. Incon­ we can get it back. Therefore, I must venient government servants who congratulate Mr. Kamath for coming would not toe their line, who would out with this Resolution, I do not not be a party to their corrupt ad­ know whether Mr. Sathe genuinely ministration, honest government ser­ believes in what he has said today; vants who wanted to serve the people or whether there is still some strong of this country honestly, truthfully whip inforce in their party—when and with a sense of responsibility he was made to say what he has said and duty, were suspended, put under today. MISA and they lost their jobs. I must SHRI VASANT SATHE: I genu­ thank this government; they restored inely believe every word °f what I jobs to those people, whose services have said. I do not speak like you. were terminated under 311(2)(c) of SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: the Constitution. We had to go to the 321 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Democratic Norms 322 by former P.M. (Res.) court in some cases; and we got or­ were made of government servants. ders of reinstatement. This is what Only on political vendetta this had happened. ^ , happened. Everybody knows in this country how the press was treated. Now about Parliament. We could The last Government was afraid of not help it. We were in a microscopic scrutiny by the people of their actions. minority in the House. This Parlia­ They were afraid of scrutiny by the ment was turned into a rubber stamp. press of their actions. They were It was packed with ‘Yes-men*. (In­ afraid of scrutiny of their action by terruptions) I was an unhappy parti­ Parliament. That is why Parliament's cipant in the deliberations that were rights had been taken away and even taking place here. We could not help the rules of business were abolished it. That is why when the forty sec­ or suspended. That was the way the ond Amendment came we did not country was being treated by the participate. Then they were vying henchmen of a particular individual with each other in extending their or family. All these persons were support. Today they are having the just dittoing and trying to strengthen realization that *he 42nd Amend­ the hands of the Indira Government, ment should go. This is the position. which had become identified with the When the MISA amendment came regine of a dictator. they were vying with each other in supporting it. And Mr. Sathe will re­ She used to be called Asia’s Mukti member that day in the last House Surya; I do not know how to translate when we gave so many instances of it, perhaps the sun of deliverance. misuse of MISA; he said himself that However, when that sun set, the people a 70-year-old paralytic had been of this country got Mukti. This is the detained. He was one of his teachers, position in this country today. if I am not mistaken. But he must raise his hand in support of the mother. Otherwise where will he be? We have been told so many things. Probably he would have had to go What happened to the Constitution? and give company to Mr. Jyotirmoy Why was it mutilated? For whose Bosu in the Hissar jail. That is why benefit the Constitution was amended? he had to support them. Which amendment of the Constitution was for the benefit of the people-of What about the judiciary? They this country, a single individual in wanted not only a committed judi­ this country, except for a pack of ciary, but an ineffective judiciary, people? I am sure she would not because they realized that some relief have amended this Constitution, if she can be obtained by the oppressed peo­ had realised that people were against ple of this country through the judi­ her. Then she would not have agreed ciary which, according to me at least, to confer powers on the new Prime is not yet perfect; but even then, in Minister or new Home Minister or this imperfect system, people of this the new Government. What did she country could get some remedy, some think of the people? She thought that relief; but even that was denied. The the people were no longer their doors of the courts were closed. The masters and that she had become the only doors that were kept open were master of the people and that she the doors of 1, Safdarjung Road; of could do anything she liked. As I course after screening people would said, they were giving a new definition be allowed admittance. They must to democracy. In the name of order pay their obeisance first, prove their and discipline everything was sought loyalty to the mother and more, loya­ to be justified, because order and dis­ lty to the son. "'r ' cipline was, according to the last .■v& :;i ' ' ■■ > government, the supreme and last Then about the transfers which word. Another person, in famous 323 Subversion of JULY , 1977 Democratic Norms 324 by former P.M. (Res.) [Shri Somnath Chat ter jee] rights which were given under the person in the history of the world at name of fundamental rights were uttered similar words and may I, with taken away just to suit the convenience your permission, quote him? of a particular set of people in this country. We have seen how the con­ “Men are weary of liberty; they stitution was abused, how Ministries have had a surfeit of it. At this were toppledf how defection was new dawn of history there are other encouraged in this country, how Chief words which move more deeply; the Ministers had to dance, attendance on words are ‘Order and Discipline’." the powers that be at No. 1, Safdarjung Road, how one Chief Minister would This is what Mussolini said and we go and how another would come, how heard the same words in this cuntry. article 356 of the Constitution was Now w e are being given lectures taken recourse to to bring Governor’s on democracy, fairplay, the attitude rule in the different States, and last of the people of South India, on but not the least, the creation of v/hat patriotism and who are traitors. has come to be known in this country as a source of extra-constitu­ Therefore, I support this Resolu­ tional power. Kindly imagine what tion and I say that it is necessary that sort of administration in this country * in future the people of this country there was, what sort of rule of law, should take care to see that a what sort of abedience to the con­ recurrence of this evil does not take stitutional provisions. A person with place. We should get rid of this once no credibility, no sense of responsibi­ and for all. We may be a poor people, lity to anybody, who did not have the but let us have, let us at least have slightest liability to account for him­ that impression, that feeling that we self before anybody in this country are a free people. Our children may was ruling the country for all practical be poor. May be that 70 per cent of purposes, and the Cabinet Ministers the people of this country are below were ignored, were treated as mere the poverty level. They had tolerated chaprasis. When the emergency was the previous Government so long. declared, they were not even consult­ Even when they had not got their ed. We did not find any protest when economic independence. But then the present hon. Home Minister said they found that they were losing the that from the records it appeared that little political rights which they had the Cabinet was not consulted before under the Constitution of India, which the declaration of the emergency on was framed under the leadership of the 25th June, 1975. What were these Dr. Rajendra Prasad, Dr. B. R. people doing then, these Members of Ambedkar and Pandit Jawaharlal Parliament who were always remind­ Nehru. Shri Kamath was a very ing us daring the last Parliament that eminent member of that Constituent they had the massive mandate of the Assembly. For four years they people? They thought they had a deliberated upon the Constitution, and massive mandate and that through they framed the Constitution, which that they could take away the rights guaranteed certain minimal rights to of the people, they could do anything the people of this country, called the under the leadership of an arvachin fundamental rights. If we did not as it is called in Sanskrit, with an bring about economic independence, almost half-educated person at the economic mukti to the people of this top of the people of this country who countryf at least they should be made has been indulging not in serving the to feel that they are citizens of an people but in making funds for him­ independent country and that they are self in different ways. I hope the hon. not second-class citizens. Bui they Leader of the Opposition who is here toere made second-class citizens in this will* instil some sense into the head country, and even the little political of Mr. Sathe and other persons. 325 Subversion of ASADHA 17, 1899 (SAKA) Democratic Norms ‘by former P.M. (Res.) '■*£ My only request to Mr. Kamath, MR. CHAIRMAN: Under th$ rules, lo r whom I have the highest respect, you cannot compel anybody to speak. is that after the words Values, for The Home Minister will reply at 6.15 r-': - which1* he may include the words (Interruptions). ‘ ’ “ leaders like", so that there may not be any unintentional omission ol other SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I persons wKo had made their con­ am on a point of order. Under the tribution to the development or rules, the allotted time for this Re­ progress of this country. solution is over. So, we are* not supposed to discuss it any further With these words I support the Re­ unless the House decides otherwise. * > ■■ j solution, and I hope my friends on There has been a representation from tfhat side will come to their senses at this side that we do not want to sit least now an3 realise that fhe peoplfi after 6 o’clock. J i':• of this country have made them also MR. CHAIRMAN: The time bM free and restored to them their sense been extended till 6.30. of prestige.

    SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: No SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA motion has been moved. If you want, (Delhi Sadar): May I request Shri you can move it now. Brahmananda Reddy, through you, to speak on this Resolution and put MR. CHAIRMAN: I placed the forward his party’s point of view, so matter before the House and the that we may know whether what Mr. House had accepted it. Sathe (has said represents it or not. We want to know from the President SHRI J. RAMESHWARA RAO o f the Congress. He was the Home (Mehboobnagar): May I make a Minister. Let us know the facts. humble submission? If the House This is a very important Resolution. wishes to sit after 6 o’clock, a formal The whole House is interested in motion has to be moved and approved hearing him. We want him to speak by the House. A formal motion has on it. We want to know whether not been moved and the extension has there were tortures or not and whether not been approved. A formal motion he was consulted or whether he was has to be moved. It has not been done. just a puppet in the hands of Sanjay MR. CHAIRMAN: This was dis­ Gandhi. I am prepared to prove it on cussed and it was agreed to. The the floor of the House. Let him deny House was extended till 6.30 (Inter­ it. We want to hear him. ruptions). 18 hrs. SHRI J. RAMESHWARA RAO: Ho MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Lakkappa. formal motion was moved. Under the SHRI K. LAKKAPPA:__Mr. Chair­ rules of the House, a formal motion man, Sir____ (Interruptions). has to be moved. 337 Subversion of JULY 8, 1977 Democratic Norms 32S. **»■** by former PM. (Res.) SflRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- MR. CHAIRMAN: A point has PER: I move a motion to extend been raised that there has not been b the time of the House by half an hour proper motion moved for extending the ___ (Interruptions). time of the House. So, the discussion on this Resolution will be continued on the next day allotted for the* SHRI J. RAMESHWARA RAO: The Private Members^ Resolutions. Thfr motion to extend the time of the ;r>:» House now stands adjourned till II House must be moved before 6 o’clock. a .m . tomorrow. If . the motion to extend the .*y?xr time of the House has not been moved# 18.06 hrs. before 6 o’clock, it cannot be moved after 6 o’clock. The discussion on The Lok Sabha then adjourned till this Resolution can be continued on Eleven of the Clock on Saturday, July the next day. 9, im /Asadha 18, 1899 (Saka).