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DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. ( South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (-) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. () - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (-) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY ( Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) - Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. - Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. (Acting Opposition Whip) Shoshong Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. K. C. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. Tonota Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. Ghanzi South Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 9 DECEMBER, 2020

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1- 8

BUSINESS MOTION...... 9-14

Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No. 14 of 2020) Second Reading (Resumed Debate)...... 15- 54

Wednesday 9th December, 2020 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Wednesday 9th December, 2020 o kgone go tsenya motlakase; electrification of farms along Motloutse River. This project covers an area of THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. 42 kilometres (km) power line. Fa godimo ga moo, it is (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) going to service farms tse di mo Selebi Phikwe.

P R A Y E R S Project e e fedile ka February 2018, mme it targeted about 44 farmers tse e leng gore lefatshe la bone le * * * * kana ka 800. Re solofela gore fa go ka tsamaya jaaka re ratile or as we project, go na le kgonagalo ya gore MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Order! Order! motlakase o le ditirelo tsa agriculture tse di ka dirwang Honourable Members, good afternoon. Let us start our kwa kana agri-business, di ka dira ditiro di ka nna 2 business with questions. 400. Fa re buang teng fa, 39 farmers ba kgonne to apply for motlakase, mme ba le 22 ba setse ba o dueletse. QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Motlakase wa teng o ne o duelwa about P15, 000 and ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE AND on average gone ka kwa Bobirwa, the farmers ba nna AGRICULTURAL PROJECTS IN BOBIRWA ba o duelela bo P300, 000, mme these farmers ba ya go duela madi a a kana ka P15, 000 fela. Ba le 11 ba setse MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister ba simolotse, fa ba bangwe ba santse ba batla madi. of Agricultural Development and Food Security to state: Se sengwe gape se our ministry is facilitating regarding (i) efforts made in the Bobirwa Sub-District to infrastructural development through our partnership develop infrastructure that links production le Ministry of Trade, ke gone gore go bo go tlisitswe centres in the area with markets or major trading kompone e e leng gore ka Friday go tlaabo go diriwa centres in the sub-district; a ground breaking ceremony e e bidiwang gotwe Selebi Phikwe Citrus Project, e ya go aga pack house (ii) if there are any future plans to develop road infrastructure of the world class. Facility e e tlaa dirisiwa infrastructure that links Bobirwa villages with ke balemi-barui who will be in a citrus cluster ba ba mo major farming areas in the sub-district; and the Bobirwa Sub-District, e e kopantseng Mmadinare le Bobonong mo teng. E bile ba tlaa kgona to access (iii) if there are any plans to divert water from Thune the export market tse di kwa mafatsheng a sele gore Dam for use in agricultural projects especially at ba kgone ba leme dinamune kana masika a dinamune places where pipelines from the dam pass in close a ba tlaabong ba a lema ba tsere dikitsokitso gone mo proximity to farming areas. komponeng e re buang ka yone e.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL (ii) Se sengwe gape, Ministry of Agriculture had DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS planned to gravel the Bobonong to Mosalakwane MANAKE): Ke a dumedisa Mr Speaker, e bile ke a road ka financial year ya 2020/2021. The leboga, good afternoon Honourable Members. evaluation for the tender e ile ya nama e eme fa re (i) Mr Speaker, Ministry wa Agriculture o setse o setse re tsena gone mo segajajeng se sa COVID-19. simolotse go dira infrastructure mo mafelong (iii) Mr Speaker, plans to divert water from the Thune mangwe a a mo Bobirwa Sub-District. Ka ngwaga Dam a kgone gore a dire tsa temothuo a latela wa 2000, Ministry of Agriculture constructed jaana; Boasa Boapele Horticultural Market, mme o ile a o neela community through the different associations • Irrigation project ya MOLEMA Trust; MOLEMA tse di kwa Bobirwa Sub-District. Market o as part e kopantse Mathathane, Motlhabaneng le of the Economic Recovery Transformation Plan Lentswelemoriti, ba bo ba ipitsa MOLEMA Trust. (ERTP), will be refurbished kana o tlaa isiwa kwa It will cover an area of 105.5 hectares (ha) e e leng godimonyana mo ngwageng o re tlaabong re tsena gore ba ya go lema merogo, maungo le aquaculture mo go one. kana go rua tsone ditlhapi.

Se sengwe gape se Ministry wa Agriculture o setseng o • Go bo go nna gape le irrigation project ya a private simolotse go se dira, ke go dirisa madi a neng a a filwe investor; ene o setse a filwe 305 ha. I thank you Mr ke European Union (EU) a a kanaka P9, 9 million gore Speaker.

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MR LUCAS: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. GOVERNMENT’S VEHICLE AND Tona, kana go na le mafelo gone kwa Bobirwa a re itseng TRANSPORTATION STRATEGY a dira dijo tse dintsi a a tshwanang le bo Mmamanaka, MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the Sekgotshwe, Mmaditshwene le bo Motongolong, gore a Minister of Transport and Communications to apprise mme go na le tsela epe fela e le e akantseng ya gore le this Honourable House on Government’s vehicle and ba thuse ka ditsela tse di ka tsamaelang kwa go reng ba transportation strategy; and to further state: ka rekisa ditswamasimong tsa bone? (i) the number of vehicles the Government has, and Sa bobedi ke gore, ke utlwa gore the farmers along how many are currently out of service, parked Motloutse ba duela P15 000 go tsenya motlakase, ba or non-functional due to breakdowns and lack bangwe ba ba seng kwa Motloutse ba duela P300, 000. of maintenance, including awaiting replacement parts; Le thusa jang ba P300 000 ka le bone ke Batswana, mme e bile ba ka batla thuso ya mohuta oo? Ke a leboga Tona. (ii) how many vehicles, and at what value is MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Fela jaaka o Government purchasing in the financial year setse o file example ya ga Mmamanaka, Mmamanaka 2020/2021; falls within this cluster, and Mmamanaka Farms jaaka o (iii) what is the benefit of the outright purchase of setse o di itse, re na le a research centre re le ba Ministry vehicles versus leasing; and of Agriculture, mme e gone along Motloutse River, e bile because of this cluster e re e dirang, go raya gore e (iv) if Government is amenable to introducing an Uber- ya go tla ka ditlhabololo di tshwana le ditsela jalojalo. type transport model for the discharge of its duties, Se re ikaeletseng go se dira ka this cluster e e tlaabong especially in consideration of Government’s e le ya maemo a ntlha kwa Bobirwa Sub-District, ke constrained financial resources. gore re teratelele re bo re epe didiba, and then again facilitate the farmers gore ba kgone go bona madi mo Later Date. makalaneng a a rileng gore ba kgone go ithekela ditlhare TEENAGE PREGNANCY AT SHOSHONG tsa maungo tse ba tlaabong ba di lema. Re boe gape re SECONDARY SCHOOL nne le the officers tse di tlaabong di ba thusa ka dikitso tsa go lema dinamune tse. Jaaka ke setse ke buile, this MR A. LESASO (SHOSHONG): asked the Minister financial year, plans were for ya Mosalakwane, mme le of Basic Education to apprise this Honourable House tsa bo Motongolong re tlaa nna re tswelela re lebile go on: ntse jalo. (i) the number of students that have dropped out of Re dira feasibility, we assess gore bokete jwa dijo bo tswa school due to teenage pregnancy at Shoshong kae mo masimong a a ikgobokantse, e bile a ipitsa yone Secondary School and their ages; cluster. Ke sone se re reng kwa re setse re simolotse ka (ii) the number of those boarding; and re setse re isitse ditirelo, ke sone se o bonang metlakase ya teng e supa gore e ya go nna kwa tlase kwa batho (iii) whether it is the responsibility of Government to ba ba ipopaganyang ba bo ba bereka mmogo. Fa o ensure the security of students and in particular fitlhelang yo mongwe a na le farm, yo mongwe le ene a boarding students. na le farm, mongwe le mongwe a batla go ikgogela, ba sa dirisane sentle, o fitlhela go nna turu thata. Jaanong ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION re rotloetsa gone gore balemi-barui especially ba yone (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke merogo, ba simolole go ikgobokanya, ba bo ba tla kwa a leboga Motlotlegi Rre Lesaso for the question. Mr go rona through dikoporase le the clusters gore re bone Speaker, e sale ka 2019 January go ya ka December gore re ba thusa jang go yeng pele. 2020 gompieno jaana, re nnile le bana ba le bararo ba ba neng ba tswa mo sekoleng ka go ima kwa Shoshong Ya P300 000 ke ne ke go fa sekai gore on average gone Junior Secondary School. They were all under 15 years. kwa kgaolong ele, o fitlhela batho ba duela madi a Ke gore ba ne ba le kwa tlase ga dingwaga di le lesome kana ka P300 000 le go ya kwa godimo. I thank you Mr le botlhano. Nine ba dule kwa sekoleng sa Shoshong Speaker. Senior Secondary School e ntse e le ka mabaka a go ima

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ba le mo sekoleng. Ba le barataro mo go ba, ba ne ba le go itse gore bana ba ba felela kae? A le na le go itse gore dingwaga tse di lesome le boferabobedi, mme ba bararo ba le kae ba kgonne gore e re at some stage ba boele mo ba le lesome le boferabongwe. sekoleng, ba le kae ba paletswe ke sekole? Do you have a database? Have you ever conducted any tracer study, Mr Speaker, Shoshong Junior School ga a na boarding ya go itse gore bana ba ba felela kwa kae? facilities. Ba botlhe ba bararo ba re reng ba dule mo sekoleng ka go ima, e ne e le ba ba tsenang sekole ba MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ka maswabi tswa mo magaeng. Ba ba nine ba Shoshong Senior e ne e se potso e ke neng ke e boditswe, go raya gore o Secondary School, ba le supa ba ne ba nna mo sekoleng. tle o e tsenye, re tle re go baakanyetse.

Mr Speaker, Ministry wa Basic Education o na le TRAINING OF SPECIAL CONSTABLES OVER boikarabelo e bile o tsaya boikarabelo mo go boneng THE AGE OF 36 gore bana ba sekole ba nna ba sireletsegile. Go na le dikompone tse pedi tsa security tse di beileng MR F. T. LEUWE (TAKATOKWANE): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security whether he is batlhokomedi ba dikago le bana ba le babedi mo boys aware that some of the Special Constables have attained dormitories le ba le babedi mo girls dormitories. Ka the age of 36 years before they could be trained; and if jalo, matron le Headmaster ba teng mo boarding school so, to state: e ya Shoshong Senior Secondary School. Ke a leboga. (i) future plans to train these Special Constables MR LESASO: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. in order for them to be absorbed into the public Jaaka o bua ka bana ba bararo ba ba under 15 years service; and ba ba duleng ka boimana, le tsere dikgato dife Tona go rurifatsa tiro e e diragetseng e, le gore dikgato tsa molao (ii) how many officers are affected by this situation. tse le di tsereng ke dife? MINISTER OF DEFENCE, JUSTICE AND A o a lemoga gape Tona gore sekole se ke buang ka SECURITY (MR MMUSI): Good afternoon sone sa Shoshong, ke sekai jaaka ke bua gore ga Mr Speaker. Thank you Honourable Member. Mr go na tlhokomelesego e e kalokalo mo dikoleng tse Speaker, the Botswana Police Service acknowledges dikgolwane mo lefatsheng le mo boarding facilities. O and appreciates the fact that special constabulary is a dira eng ka gone go bona gore tlhokomelo ya bone e nne valuable policing initiative that has increased police e e lolameng? visibility on the ground. Their diversified role augments MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Mo go ba regular police officers in the investigation of minor bararo ba Junior Secondary School le Senior Secondary cases. School, ga re ka ke ra tlhomamisa gore bana ba… kana The Botswana Police Service initiated the process kgang e jaanong fa e ntse jaana, e ya kwa botsading. of recruiting regular police officers, mainly from Ba ba nnang kwa magaeng re a itse gore ga go na jaaka Special Constable Cadre in 2007. Officers who had a mogokgo kana barutabana ba itse gore go diragetseng. minimum qualification of Botswana General Certificate Dikgang tse di neelwa botsadi ka gore di tshwanetse gore of Secondary Education (BGCSE) with 30 points and di begiwe. Le kwa sekoleng, ke akanya gore le bone ba having at least obtained Grade C in English language or tsaya kgato go tlhagisa ba molao gore go diragetse se re better, age less than 30 years and having completed two ka se bitsang defilement. Ba ba kwa boarding, le bone years of continuous service were considered. go ntse jalo. Dikgang tse o tlaa itse gore gantsi bana ba ima morago ga ba sena go ya magaeng ba ile holidays, Mr Speaker, the Botswana Police Service took a decision ba boa ka mephuthelwana e. Jaaka ke bua, re le sekole in November 2013 to enhance enrolment of Special go na le Guidance and Counselling le bagokgo ba e leng Constables into the organisation by enlisting officers gore ditiro tse ba di tshwaraganela le botsadi kwa gae. who had served for a period of more than five years by Ke a leboga. reducing the entry point from 30 to 25 points, with a grade E in English language or better, and increased MR MMOLOTSI: Further supplementary. Tona, drop enlistment age up to 35 years. out students kwa dikoleng tsa Shoshong, kana le kwa bo Francistown go ntse jalo, le gongwe le gongwe mo A total of 3825 Special Constables have been enlisted Botswana. Ke batla go itse gore a le na le thulaganyo ya into Botswana Police Service as regular police officers

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since the appointment of Special Constables in 2004. gore re setse re tsere ba ka tshwara 3 825, mme ba re sa Special Constables are recruited subject to availability kgonang go ba tsaya ke 487 fela. Ba re nang le bone ga of posts which determines the number to be employed, se gore re a ba latlha, re nna re ntse re shafatsa contracts considering their qualifications and other skills required fa ba bereka, ba na le bokgoni mo tirong. Ke a leboga to fill vacant posts within the Botswana Police Service. Mr Speaker. There are normally around 300 posts in a financial year. MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary. Thank you sir. I am aware of Special Constables who have attained the Honourable Minister, ke go utlwile o arabile, mme age of 36 years and have not undergone training. It is golo gongwe o bapile le potso. Potso fa ke gore, bana with regret that there are no future plans to train and ba jaanong ka go raya gore ba fetile age ya gore le ba absorb them into regular police officers, since they are ise kwa college, to renew ke golo mo e leng gore ga go well above the maximum age of recruitment in terms reliable. Ga o ka ke wa tlhomamisa gore you will renew. of the Botswana Police Service Recruitment Policy. Ra re, la reng ka bone, ke eng le sa tseye a special However, we continue to renew their contracts on the dispensation, that 400 la e isa college fela ya ya go fetsa basis of performance. and then you absorb them into the police system e e national fela sentle? Thank you sir. Mr Speaker, it should be noted that police trainees have to undergo and complete an intensive 12 months basic MR MMUSI: Thank you Honourable Member. Mathata training at the Botswana Police College. Therefore, kana ke gore re a bo re sena madi a a ka tsenyang bana some of the Special Constables do not meet minimum bao ba ba 400. Jaaka ke go raya ke re mo ngwageng re entry requirements of enlisting as regular members in letlelelwa go tsaya batho ba ka nna 300, nako e nngwe terms of age and academic qualification. kwa tlase, 150. Go tswa fela gore we have been allocated madi a a kana kang Honourable Member. Ke sone se o Age is a critical factor in the recruitment and selection bonang re ka se ka ra kgona go ba tsaya ra ba tsenya mo of police recruits, considering the intensity of the teng. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. training. It will not be ideal to consider and absorb all Special Constables, including those who do not meet …Silence… minimum entry requirements as it will lead to an aged police service with limited possibilities for further MR LEUWE: …(Interruptions!)…le ya to renew go development in terms of different areas of specialty and fitlheleleng leng, assurance ke eng mo go bone gore skills needed for the service. they will continue to be renewed, ba ba 487 ba? Thank you Mr Speaker. A total of 487 Special Constables are affected by this condition because of age, and as already alluded to, MR MMUSI: Mr Speaker, we will keep on renewing re we continue to renew their contracts based on their lebeletse budget gore e ka tsamaya jang. Ke a solofetsa performance. I thank you Mr Speaker. gore re tlaa nna re ntse re renew fela jaaka re dira. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. MR LEUWE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Tona, le fa ke sa tlhaloganye tota gore wa TEMPORARY TEACHERS IN SELEBI PHIKWE re bokamoso jwa bana ba ke eng, ka gore o tlhalosa MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE fela gore le tlile go nna le renew and ga re itse gore le WEST): asked the Minister of Basic Education to ya to renew go fitlheleleng fa kae. Plans tsa bone mo update this Honourable House on the total number of botshelong e nna eng, ka gore jaanong kana ga ba a temporary teachers in Selebi Phikwe Primary Schools hirwa permanently jaaka ba bangwe and ga se phoso and to specifically state: ya bone gore ba bo ba gorogile kwa go 36, yo e leng gore ga le kgone go hira ka ene. A ko o re tlhalosetse (i) the number per school and subject; Tona gore wa re bokamoso jwa bana ba ke eng ka gore ke rona ba re ba diileng re le ba sepodise? Ke a leboga (ii) the duration of contracts and number of times Mr Speaker. contracts were renewed for each; and

MR MMUSI: Thank you Mr Speaker. Rraetsho, kana (iii) reasons why these teachers cannot be absorbed tota ga se gore bana ba re ba diile. Ke gore go ne go into Permanent and Pensionable Employment or sena diphatlha ka nako eo to absorb them. O a bona reasonable contracts of 3/5 years.

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ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION ga re na diphatlha tsa sennelaruri. Re ntse re a kopa gore (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a ngwaga le ngwaga re leke go fokotsa, mme re tlile go leboga Honourable Keorapetse. Re na le barutabana ba dira jalo go leka gore backlog e e kanakana re nne re e nama o sa tshwere ba le 26, ba hirilwe mo dikoleng tse fokotse. Ke a leboga. 11. Jaanong ba kgaogantswe jaana; MR MOTAOSANE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Boitumelo Primary School go na le a le mongwefela. Speaker. Honourable Minister, it is very interesting Tse di latelang tse di na le ba le babedi sengwe le sengwe gore le kgona go dumela gore bana ba kgona go nna sa tsone; ke Tebogo, Boswelakgomo, Tlhabologo le malatsinyana ba sena morutabana. Ka le a bo le ntse le Segomotso Primary Schools. Tse pedi tse di latelang di itse gore morutabana ga a yo koo, ke eng le sa re motho na le ba le batlhano e bong Boitshoko le Phikwe Primary yo o ntseng a le mo konterakeng eo, la mo shafaletsa Schools. Anderson Primary School e na le ba le supa. up until le bona morutabana yo o tlang kana ene yoo, Barutabana ba ba nama o sa tshwere, e ne e le se se le oketsa malatsi a gagwe fela go fitlhelela le ya go mo bidiwang their first appointment, e ne e le gone ba tsenya mo konterakeng e le tlaabong le mo tsenya mo hirwang mo dikgweding tsa June le July mo ngwageng go yone? Why should bana ba nne 10, 15 days ba sena o, mme ba hirilwe ka temporary contracts not exceeding barutabana? Nnyaa, a ko le tlhoafaleng. 12 months. MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Motaosane. Mr Speaker, re le ba Ministry wa Basic Education, re Re tlaa e lebaleba kgang e ntate, ke kgakololo. Thank tsweletse ka go leka go thiba diphatlha jaaka di tswa. you. Ga re ka ke ra kgona gore re hire barutabana ba nama HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further supplementary. o sa tshwere ka dikonteraka tse di fetang 12, ka gore se ke molao o o teng, Section 13 ya Public Service Act MR SPEAKER: Last supplementary Honourable mabapi le employment on temporary basis. Ga o ka ke Keorapetse. wa tlola dikgwedi tse 12. Ke sone se e leng gore ngwaga MR KEORAPETSE: Further Supplementary. Ke a le ngwaga di a shafatswa. Jaanong se ke lekang go se leboga. Tona, sekole sa Joseph Anderson se o reng sena bua ke gore, temporary employment tota e tsamaisiwa le temporary teachers ba le supa, ke se se faphegileng, ka Section e. Ke a leboga. go faphega ga teng ke tsaya gore o a go itse, gore ke se se MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Ke a leboga. amogelang intellectually impaired children. A o lemoga Tona ke botsa gore a o lemoga gore go hira barutabana gore barutabana ba ba temporary ba bantsi kwa sekoleng ba ba temporary ka 12 months go disruptive mo tirong e se tota se ka bong se fiwa bodiredi jo bo permanent? A ba e berekang mo dikoleng? Go disruptive in the sense o lemoga mathata a a leng teng kwa Joseph Anderson? that, o fitlhela e le gore dikole di a bulwa, mme yole Ke eng fa sekole se se na le staff se sentsi se e seng contract ya gagwe has not been renewed, bana ba bo barutabana fela, ba e leng gore ba temporary? ba felela ba tsena mo mathateng. Ke eng fela go sa MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Se ke ka baakanngwe gore ba kgone go nna le dikonteraka tse di se buang fela ke gore kana o a itse gore dikole tsa bana ka ba kgontshang gore ba kgone go nna le gratuities, ba ba ba batlang tlhokomelo e ntsi di batla barutabana ba kgone go tsaya the facilities kwa dibankeng, ba kgone le bantsi. Jaaka ke bolela, mathata a re na le one mo gore ba tshele? A wa re mo go Goromente go a itsa gore dikoleng tse tsotlhe, ga se fela kwa Selebi Phikwe. Ke motho o ka hirwa ka contract ya three years, five years? mathata a re ntseng re bolela fa gore tota re a leka go Fa e le gore go a itsa, a ga le bone mathata a a bakwang hema diemo tse di bayang bana le barutabana ka fa ke gore barutabana ba bo ba hirwa ka these 12 months mosing. Re a leka motlotlegi. Thank you. contracts? DE-SLUDGING SMALL DAMS IN SEROWE MS MAKWINJA: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Mr Speaker, NORTH ke dumalana le motlotlegi, go hira le hirolola le hira gape, go kgoreletsa thuto fela thata, ka gore fa gongwe MR B. MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): asked fa dikole di simologa ba a bo ba ise ba neelwe dikwalo the Minister of Agricultural Development and Food tseo. Go bo go raya gore bana ba nna lebakanyana ba se Security when he will consider de-sludging small dams na morutabana. Jaaka ke boletse, kana mathata ke gore, in the Serowe North Constituency as they can no longer

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dam enough water to adequately assist farmers to water MS MANAKE: Mr Speaker, maloba ke lekile go araba their livestock. Honourable Gobotswang go supa gore mo lefatsheng le lotlhe le, re na le matamo a ka nna 400, mme go na le ASSISTANT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURAL process e e salwang morago gore a diriwe. Ka boa ka DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD SECURITY (MS tlhalosa gape gore machines e re ntseng re e dirisa ga e a MANAKE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga nonofa. Re sekaseka gore re ya jang kwa pele ka kgang Honourable Member. e ya matamo ka re lemoga e le botlhokwa e bile e ka re Mr Speaker, re a itse e bile re a tlhaloganya gore thusa mo dilong tse dintsi fa re lebile tsa themothuo. matangwana a a kwa Serowe North a setse a kategetse ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Target. gore they have reached lifespan ya one ya 30 years. Se re se dirang gompieno ke gore we assess gore re ka dira MS MANAKE: Target; ke tlaa boela gape kwa go jang ka situation ya teng, re ka dira jang to rehabilitate lona ke tla go le bontsha gore ke efe. Se se leng teng ke gore re a katolole ka re lemoga botlhokwa jwa one le gore go na le procedure that is followed gore matamo kgang ya water security mo temothuong. a diriwe; ga o tle fela o bo o re I target gore ke dire a le kana go sena le fa e le water harvesting capacity ya Matamo mangwe a re nang le one kwa Serowe North ke teng. Go na le mafelo mangwe… a a kwa Mhatane, Motolo, Rancheng, Taukome, Patwe, Mangolwana, Lephala/Mogonono le Leropong. Ke one HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… badiri ba rona ba setseng ba simolotse to assess gore seemo sa one ke eng e bile re ka kgona go dira jang ka MS MANAKE: Mr Speaker, ba nnetse go kuakua ka sepe fela se re nang le sone. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. kwa mme ke leka go araba. Ga ke itse gore a ba re ke nne fa fatshe kana jang. MR MATHOOTHE: Supplementary. Gongwe Tona a re tlhalosetse gore ba ya go tsaya lebaka le le kae ba dira HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… assessment ya bone. MS MANAKE: Rra? MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke tlhalose HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ba arabile. jalo gore rehabilitation ya teng re solofetse gore re tlaa simolola mo ngwageng wa madi wa 2021/2022 go MS MANAKE: Ke ba arabile? simolola ka a re tlaa kgonang go a katolola. Ke a leboga HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ee. Mr Speaker. MS MANAKE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. SUBVENTIONS FOR CIVIL SOCIETY MR SPEAKER: The last supplementary, Honourable ORGANISATIONS Dr Gobotswang. DR U. DOW (SPECIALLY ELECTED): asked the DR GOBOTSWANG: Supplementary. Ke a leboga Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Mr Speaker. Honourable Minister, tota ke eng fela o to state: sa tlhobosetse setšhaba gore fa go tla mo matamong ga le na bokgoni (capacity)? Potso ke gore Tona mo (i) the names of Civil Society Organisations receiving ngwageng sentlentle le dira matamo a le kae? A ko o subventions from Government and those that have re fe seelo sa go bona gore gone jaana jaaka re bua, ba Women’s Human Rights as a core mandate; matamo ba kae? Potso ya ntlha. (ii) when the organisations started receiving Ya bobedi; le dira matamo a le kae ka ngwaga? Maloba subventions; Mopalamente wa Tati West o ne a bua ka matamo a le five, mme o ne o sa kgone go tlhalosa gore le ya go a (iii) the amount granted to each for financial years fitlhelela leng. Kwa dikgaolong tsa rona tsotlhe le kwa 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 and what percentage of Sefhare-Ramokgonami, ke mathata fela a a tshwanang. same represented each organisation’s budget;

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le kwa Mokobeng. (iv) whether there are plans to add any other organisations to the above list and if so, to state DR GOBOTSWANG: Rraetsho. the criteria to be used; and

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(v) whether there are plans to increase current targeted interventions for GBV survivors subventions for organisations focusing on Gender including their protections. This will further Based Violence (GBV) work. inform whether there will be any need to include more organisations. MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MOKGETHI): (v) My ministry continues to monitor the GBV Thank you Mr Speaker. situation in the country. COVID-19 pandemic saw an increase in the demand for shelter services by (i) Currently there are three Civil Society survivors of GBV which puts pressure on the need Organisations which receive subventions from to expand services by both shelters and other key Government and these are: stakeholders. It is therefore desirous to include (a) Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention subventions to these organisations when funds and Support Centre (BGVC) formerly known permit, as they play a crucial role in addressing as Kagisano Women’s Shelter. It has centres in GBV. I thank you Mr Speaker. Gaborone and Francistown. DR DOW: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. (b) Women Against Rape (WAR) in Maun. Honourable Minister, would you not say that contributing less than 30 per cent to the budget of these organisations (c) The Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) is a statement about our commitment to fighting GBV? Council to support other Civil Society Organisations. If we put our money where our mouths are, in February you will increase that to at least 50 per cent. Botswana Gender Based Violence Prevention and Support Centre and Women Against Rape provide MS MOKGETHI: I agree with you entirely Honourable shelter for Gender Based Violence (GBV) victims Minister in the sense that they do need more funds. That and survivors including: psycho-social support and is why I said we would do better if we could increase the income generating activities. The Non-Governmental subventions if funds permit. Unfortunately, funds do not Organisation Council is responsible for coordinating permit at this stage. civil society in Botswana. The two shelters and the NGO Council have women’s human rights as their core If I may just add that, organizations such as the Kagisano Women’s Shelter get support from other organisations mandate, hence offer services specific to women to such as the European Union (EU) to the tune of P2 facilitate full enjoyment of their rights. million per annum, which also contribute to their (ii) Mr Speaker, BGVC started receiving subventions budget. Other organisations since they are Civil Society from Government in 2011, whereas WAR Organisations, they also get assistance from different organisations. started in 2014. I have also indicated that we are currently doing a study (iii) Mr Speaker, my ministry granted BGVC on establishing and strengthening safe havens which P500 000.00 and WAR P250 000.00 for the will give precise and concrete information, which will financial year 2018/2019, which represented inform targeted intervention for Gender-Based Violence 16.7 per cent and 8.3 per cent respectively. In the (GBV) survivors. So, I would request that we wait and financial year 2019/2020, BGVC was granted see what are the recommendations made in that study. P514 889.20 representing 16.8 per cent while Thank you, Mr Speaker. WAR was granted P250 000.00 which represented 8.3 per cent of their budget. MR SALESHANDO: Further supplementary. Ke botse Tona gore, a mme o a lemoga gore GBV is a (iv) Mr Speaker, on whether there are plans to add crisis? Ga se mo o ka reng emang pele ke ye go dira any other organisation to the three stated above, study. O setse o buile mo karabong ya gago gore, there my ministry is currently conducting a study is increased demand for mafelo a a tshwanang le one establishing and strengthening Gender Based a bo Women Against Rape (WAR), gore bomme ba ba Violence safe havens in the country which is due mo kgokgontshong ba kgone go siela teng. Go pala eng for completion in March 2021. The study will give gore o itlame gore o tla oketsa madi to cover at least precise and concrete information on strengthening 50 per cent ya ditshenyegelo tsa mafelo a, e le tsela e o and establishing safe havens which will inform tsibogelang ka yone the crisis that we are facing?

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MS MOKGETHI: I would just like to indicate that gore ba tle ba e baakanye, re solofetse gore e the real crisis came with COVID-19, that is when we tlaabo e boile ka di 11 tsa ga December 2020. really experienced the crisis. During that crisis, the Government assisted Botswana Gender-Based Violence Mr Speaker, grader e re e baakanyang mo lephateng e Prevention and Support Centre known as Kagisano emetse injector pump, e re santseng re emetse delivery Women’s Shelter, with an additional P1.2 million, ya yone. precisely to address the situation of the crisis that you (iii) Ministry wa me o ikaelela gore o baakanye graders are referring to. So, what we did as a response to that tsotlhe ka boraro, mme e re go ntse jalo ka gore go crisis, we increased the amount of money that we raya gore di ne di santse di sa bereke ka boraro, re normally give them. Thank you Mr Speaker. ne ra tsaya e nngwe e e neng e le kwa Kgalagadi MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member for Tati West, North, gore e name e thusitse mo ditirong tsa kwa Honourable Moabi! Kgalagadi South. Ke a leboga, Mr Speaker.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Good afternoon Mr MR BROOKS: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Speaker. Ke tlaa mo tseela question 12. Ke a leboga Honourable Minister, ka karabo ya gago. Mr Minister, a o lemoga kana o tlhaloganya bothata jwa GRADERS ALLOCATED TO KGALAGADI ditsela tsa kgaolo ya Kgalagadi le seemo se di leng mo SOUTH go sone?

MR S. J. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): asked Se sengwe Minister, o batla go solofetsa batho ba the Minister of Transport and Communications to state: Kgalagadi South, gore graders tse o buang ka ga tsone, segolo jang e e neng e tshwanetse gore e bo e gorogile ka (i) how many graders had been allocated to the di 11, o ba solofetsa mo letsatsing le gore ba e solofele Kgalagadi South Constituency for the past six leng, ke lebile seemo sa ditsela le ka fa dipula di nang years; ka teng kwa kgaolong ya Kgalagadi? Ke re o itlame ka (ii) how many have broken down; and bonnyennyane le ka bokhutshwane Mr Minister, e re kamoso ke bo ke le kwa ofising ya gago. (iii) the ministry’s future plans regarding these machines. MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Ke lemoga thata gore go na le go salela morago mo ditirong tsa MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND kwa Kgalagadi South, tsa go baakanya ditsela tsone tse COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Ke a re reng di unpaved. Tota ke go salela morago mo go leboga, Mr Speaker. amileng lefatshe ka bophara. Se ke ka se bolelang fela ke gore, re ntse re le mo dipuisanong gore re tokafatse (i) Mr Speaker, lephata la me le ne le abile dikatakata tirisano ya rona le councils tse di ka fa tlase ga ministry tse tharo, le di abela ditiro tse di kwa Kgalagadi wa ga Rre Molale, gore le bone ba tle ba kgone ba re South Constituency. E le nngwe ya tsone, ke e e thuse mo ditseleng tse di ka fa tlase ga rona. Le rona neng ya abiwa mo dingwageng tse thataro tse di re lebile gore re ka ba thusa ka consumables fa ba re fetileng. Tse pedi ke tse di abilweng ka dingwaga thusa mo ditseleng tsa rona. Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse re tsa 1980 le 2005. batlang gore re tle re di tseye. (ii) Mr Speaker, dikatakata tse re buang ka tsone tse E nngwe ke gore, mo ngwageng o o tlang wa kabo tharo tse, di santse di senyegile. Tse pedi di ne madi, re lebile gore re leke go oketsa ditiro tse re di di tlhoka gore di baakanngwe; engine overhauls, abelang dikompone, gore le bone ba tle ba re thuse. Mo mme di ne di dirwa dipaakanyo. Re ne ra baakanya ngwageng o re ne re na le tlhaelo ya madi gore re ka e le nngwe in-house mo lephateng la me, e nngwe e dira jalo. neetswe dikompone. E ne ya re e e neng e neetswe dikompone e ya go tlhatlhobiwa go bona gore a Jaanong, graders ke di buile gore re di solofetse leng. re ka e amogela, ga fitlhelwa e sa pasa kana ya Ke buile gore re solofetse e nngwe e e neng e sa pasa feta mo tlhatlhobong eo, ya busetswa kwa go ba ka di 11 tsa ga December. Re mo go di 9 gompieno. Fa ba neng ba kopilwe gore ba e bereke. E nngwe ya e le gore go ka se ka ga diragala, mme ga se tsholofelo boraro, e le yone e neng e isitswe kwa komponeng ya gore go ka se ka ga diragala, ka gore re tlaabo re

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ile go e tlhatlhoba, ke solofela gore e tlaabo e boetse a very large number of questions on the Order Paper mo kgaolong. E nngwe re e solofetse ka di 18 tsa ga which we have not done. Gongwe kgang e re tlaa e bua December. Ke a leboga motlotlegi. kwa General Assembly. My own observation as of now is that we are not answering the questions directly and MR MAJAGA: Further supplementary. Ke a leboga, provoke a lot of supplementaries by not doing that, but Mr Speaker. Tona re a go leboga. Tota e tlaa nna o kare re tlaa e bua kwa General Assembly. At this rate, dipotso re a go tshwenya motho wa Modimo. Ka bokhutshwane, tse di leng teng even to the Budget Session, ga di ka ke o ko o tlhalosetse Ntlo e ka gore selelo se sa ditsela ke tsa fela, we will not be able to answer the questions tse dikgaolo tsotlhe ka bontsi. Go na le bothata, council le batho ba emetseng go utlwa gore gatwe Goromente o Goromente yo motona wa ditsela, go builwe gangwe le dira eng. gape mo Ntlong e, gotwe nnyaa, re mo dipuisanong le ba council gore re dire ditiro tse mmogo, mme o kare ga Honourable Members, I understand the Leader of the go lomagane. House has got a Business Motion to move.

Fa o ya kwa dikgaolong tse di tshwanang le tsa Nata- BUSINESS MOTION Gweta, Kgalagadi le Maun fela jalojalo, o fitlhela e le gore Roads ke e, council ke e, mme ga go berekege. Ka LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): re kile ra fetisa Motion wa National Roads Agency, le Thank you. Good afternoon Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, bokgakala bo kae ka yone? Lephata le kana thulaganyo ke na le Tshutiso mabapi le thulaganyo ya dipuisanyo e ya National Roads Agency, e e tlaabong e itebagantse tsa letsatsi leno, ka re tlwaetse nako ya rona e le ya le ditsela, go satwe nnyaa, tsela e ke ya ka 6 o’clock. Re kopa re lebile bokete jwa tiro le gore gore e kwa Mogoditshane. E nna a complete overhaul batlotlegi ba tlhoafaletse e bile ba nyoretswe thata go fela e re tlaabong re itse gore go na le lekalana. Le lona bua mo temaneng ya Molaomotheo, gore re ba neele le le ministry, wa se ka wa nna o araba injector pumps sebaka seo. Ke ne ke kopa Mr Speaker, ka Standing mo Palamenteng, e le dilo tse di ka arabiwang koo. E Order 27.1(b) go oketsa nako ya letsatsi la gompieno ka le gore jaanong seemo se siame fela ka the National two hours 30 minutes gore re ye go fetsa ka 2030 hours Roads Agency. Gompieno e nna o kare re a go sokodisa; instead of 1800 hours. Ke kopa ka jalo Mr Speaker. radiator, water pump ya grader. Thank you, sir. MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure Mr Speaker. Ke ne MR SEGOKGO: Ke a leboga motlotlegi. Tota fela ga ke re se ke sa se utlwang ke ne ke kopa clarification, ke ka ke ka emelela gompieno ke bo ke go raya ke re ke gore kana akere Business Advisory Committee, ke nnyaa Road Agency e tlaabo e ...(Inaudible)…mme re yone e e nnang e tlhokometse dikgang tsa business of tsweletse ka go baakanya dithulaganyo tsa gore re tle re the House, jaanong ke ne ke batla clarification ya gore a e diragatse. Ke ne ke sa solofela gore re tlaabo re tsene e kopane le gore a ke sengwe se e neng ya se bua, ya se boteng jo bo kalo. dumalana gore e ka se recommend mo Mapalamenteng?

Gape se se neng sa re ama mo tirisanong ya rona le MR SPEAKER: I can answer that one Honourable dikhansele e ne ya nna gore sekgwama se re neng re se Keorapetse, no. tshotse, re ne ra se ka ra kgona go diragatsa se e neng e le rona ba re tlhokang go se dira gore re ba fe madi, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure. bogolo jang gore ba tswelele ba re thuse ka bontlha jwa MR SPEAKER: Akere o ne o botsa gore did the ditiro, re di tshwaraganele jaaka re ne re eleditse go di Business Advisory Committee meet in relation to what tshwaraganela. the Leader of the House is proposing, and I said no. Ke lekile go tlhalosa gore ngwaga o o tlang, re solofetse MR KEORAPETSE: Further procedure. Ke a leboga go dira jang go tokafatsa seemo se. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke re mme tota le fa e le gore ga go motlotlegi. patike, and I understand, ga go patike. Standing Orders, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. Honourable Leader of the House o ka tla ka Motion oo jaaka a tlile ka one, mme ke ne ke tsaya gore gongwe MR SPEAKER: Ke fetile Mokwena. Order! Order! go ka bo go nnile le courtesy ya gore Business Advisory Honourable Members, questions number two, four, Committee e sekaseke kgang e. Ga se la ntlha Mr seven and 12, we have to move over. That indicates Speaker, re bua ka kgang ya gore tota a ko re nne re dira

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dilo sentle, re se mo go itlhaganeleng, re le in our right amendment masigo, re tshaba eng gore batho ba bo ba state of mind, even re le alert, e seng gore re bo re nna re lebile go na le nako? re tšhaisa masigo e le gore tota maikaelelo ke go fetisa dilo. Jaanong ke ne ke re ke suggest Mr Speaker, gore a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. ko Business Advisory Committee e kopane, e buisane ka MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, I am quite kgang e e tle e begiwe kwa General Assembly. aware that as you stand, you are not standing actually E rile fela re simolola, re buisantse gore House on points of procedure, le a ngongorega. I will allow e ya go tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jang, we had it because you feel strongly that you should air your the recommendations from the Business Advisory views. Committee re le General Assembly, we discussed them, MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL AFFAIRS, tse re di dumetseng, re di dumetse, the ones we varied, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION we did. Gore e bo e le gore jaanong mongwe o kare (MR MORWAENG): Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore the re tshoganyetswa ke Leader of the House ka tsela e e Leader of the House, fa a lemoga gore tiro e ntsi, mme ntseng jaana Mr Speaker, ga ke dumele go siame. a tla ka kopo ya mofuta o, go lebanye gore a re kope. E MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of procedure. Ke a bile ke ne ke kopa gore bagaetsho kana fa tiro ya rona leboga. Mr Speaker, kana o tlaa gakologelwa gore e le ntsi, mme e bile go kopiwa two hours, ke bona go maloba Leader of the House, o ne a tla fa a tla a kopa lebanye gore a re amogeleng ka gore re batla gore tiro gore, e bile a re lekodisa gore nnyaa Business Advisory yone e rotlhe re e tletseng fa, re e dire sentle. Jaanong ga Committee e tsere tshwetso ya gore re kopane ka tsela ke dumele gore two hours ke ene yo re ka omanang ra re e e sa tlwaelesegang. Kana tota Palamente e tsena ka two hours, re tlaabo re lapile, go rileng. Ke ne ke kopa, 2:00 p.m, e bo e tswa ka 6:00 p.m. Jaanong rraarona e bile ke dumela gore it is procedural gore Mothusa Leader of the House, o ne a tla fa maloba a re ke kopa Tautona a kope jalo. E bile a re amogeleng, re berekele gore ka Labone le ka Labobedi, re simolole ka 11:00 Batswana, two hours fela, nnyaa batho betsho. a.m, re ne ra dumalana le ene. Ke dumela gore jaanong LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR kana fa re dumalane le ene gape ka go oketsa nako ka SALESHANDO): If I may Mr Speaker, it is not tsela e e ntseng jalo, e bo e le gore o tla gape a re o procedure. Ke ne ke kopa go dira kopo, gore kana re oketsa ka two and half hours, nnyaa moo jaanong Mr kopane re le Business Advisory Committee, ra lebelela Speaker, ke belaela gore ga e sa tlhole e le kopo, ke go tiro ya ga Goromente le tiro ya Mapalamente, ra batla go re swelela. E bile o a bona gore jaanong kgang dumalana diphetogo tse re di rileng gore Labobedi ga e sa tlhole e le gore go buiwe kgang, ke gore mma ke le Labone, re tlaa tsena mo mosong, re oketsa ka two ba bakise ka gore ba bua molao o ga ba batle o feta ka hours, yo gompieno bangwe ba mo itebaditseng ba e bofefo, tlaa ke tle ke e ise bosigo gore ba ba ka ngalang, baya e kete Mapalamente a ngongoregela two hours, re ba ngale, ba tsamaye, re sale re fetisa Bill e. setse re okeditse ka four hours every week.

Ke sone se e leng gore Mr Speaker, even in the past Ka gore re bua ka Molaomotheo, re amogela gore go I have said this, gore golo mo ga melao e e dirwang botlhokwa gore go nne le nako Mr Speaker. A Vice o kare go a swelelwa, ga go a siama. Batswana ga ba President o ne a ka se ka a boela morago kgang e, ra batle melao e e dirwang bosigo, ba a ngongorega, ba bua tsoga re e kopanela kamoso go bona gore go ka okediwa le rona gangwe le gape gore se nneng le bua dikgang nako fa kae? Ga go monate gore e re le kopane kwa masigo tse kwa bofelong le felelang le di itsholela, jaaka bothokong le dumalane gore le tlile go tsamaisa jang, gompieno jaana ba itsholela dikgang tse dintsi tsa melao e re le tsena mo Palamenteng, le bo le utlwa kitsiso ya e ba neng ba e dira bosigo, re ba kgalemela, ba e dira gore jaanong go fetogile re batla nako e sele. Ga ke itse fela ka dikgoka. gore a le tsenya two hours maitseboa le bo le ntsha two hours wa mo mosong. Ke ne ke tsaya gore a re… Ke Jaanong ke ne ke kopa Palamente e gore Mothusa kopo Mr Speaker, gore a e ka boela kamoso, ra kopana Tautona has moved, o kopa jalo, bagaetsho, a re ko e re mo mosong re le General Assembly gore re lebelele tiro fa Mothusa Tautona a tla ka dilo tse e seng tsone jaaka e e setseng le go bona gore go ka dirwa jang gore e fete. di ntse jaana, re ganeng fela re dire dilo sentle. Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ke kopa gore bagaetsho, a re ganeng, re Sa bobedi se tsamaelana le se o neng o se bua kgantele se ka ra tswelela go ya go bua melao ya constitutional gore ka Labone mo mosong, re rile re lebagana le tiro

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ya Mapalamente. Mr Speaker, ke ne ke kopa gore le dire go di buisana. Jaanong ga e ka ke ya re re batla go lwa thulaganyo le bogogi gore mo mosong, dipotso tse di le GBV, diemo tse dintsi, melao le policies tsa rona, le neng di sa arabiwa gompieno, di se ka tsa emela 2:00 bo le ka dira jalo. Still ga re ye go fetsa because time p.m. Dingwe tsa tsone di tsene mo mosong kamoso, will never be enough. Go ntse go ya go sala Bills tse tse dingwe di tsene ka 2:00 p.m. e le go fokotsa tse di dingwe tsa botlhokwa. tlaabong di le mo Order Paper gore re fete ka tsone. Ke megopolo e mebedi e ke nang le yone. Gompieno jaana le tshwanetse la ya go nna le komiti ya lona e e leng gore if it is not going to be set now, DR DOW: On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. Thank come April next year, you are not going to have your you Mr Speaker. Ke re, gongwe re se ka ra senya nako e increment. This is because re setse re buile gore dituelo ntsi, re leka go boloka nako. Re kope VP gore kamoso tsa lona di ya kwa komiting. These are very serious batho ba ba re direlang timetable, ba kopane, ba ipotse businesses that you have to dispose of. Rona ga re nke gore re ka fetsa tiro ya teng jang re sa oketse ka two re nyatsa re re Motions tse dingwe ga di botlhokwa, e hours mo the hours tse re ntseng re na le tsone. Ke bile di re jela nako. Re tsamaya fela le Motions tsotlhe dumalana le VP gore tiro e ntsi mme e tshwanetse e fele. tsa batlotlegi le tse e leng gore tota go buiwa ka dilo tse Ke dumela gore tota batho ba mo jokong e e bokete, di diragalang. Jaanong rona re kopa gore two hours re especially the Cabinet Ministers. Ga ba bue fela, ba mo tsenye gompieno batho betsho, ke wa today. Kamoso akga maleme fa re bua jaana. Fa o ba okeletsa ka two re tlaa ya go buisana kwa Business Committee. I thank hours ba ne ba le kwa Cabinet phakela, ke mathata. Ke you Mr Speaker. I so move Mr Speaker that we increase a itse gore gongwe ba buile koo, ba dumalane. Ke ne today’s sitting by two hours. I thank you. ke kopa gore; rona re lapile. Re ne re kopa fela gore a go kopanwe kamoso gore re ka fetsa tiro e jang, re sa MR BOKO: Procedure Mr Speaker. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke batla go tseeletsa mo go ba ba setseng ba oketse ka another two hours Mr Speaker. Thank you. buile mo kgannyeng yone e, especially the Leader of MR SPEAKER: I think let us give the VP the floor. Opposition le Honourable Dow gore kana golo fa, we are a dealing with a weighty issue ya Constitution mme MR TSOGWANE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Gongwe ga se matshamekwane. Ke a tlhaloganya gore dikgang ke buile Setswana se gongwe bontsi ba sa se itseng ka tsa Constitution ga se sepe mo go VP but these are gore re na le Makgoanyana fa. Mma ke bale Motion o weighty matters tse di tlhokang gore e re motho a dira ka Sekgoa; these two hours is not like what we agreed le tsone, a bo a le mo tlhaloganyong, a itekanetse sentle, kwa Business Committee, that will take place each and kana nako eo a se na letsapa le le setseng le gorogile mo every day. These two hours is just for today because we go rona. We know that the Cabinet sat in the morning did not even have the morning session. These two hours to deal le dikgang tse ba dirang le tsone. Dikomiti tsa ya letsatsi le, does not stop us from meeting tomorrow. Palamente di ne di tsene mme ga re a tshwanela go fetisa It does not stop us at all. Today we want to push the melao fa gare ga masigo when dealing with Constitution business of today. This is not the only critical Bill that issues. Re tshwanetse go dira ditlhaloganyo tsa rona di we have here. We also have GBV Bill, which we are all lapologile, re le sober, re siame mo megopolong le mo looking forward to go and help our people. If we do not dikakanyong. dispose of this one, we will never move on to GBV Bill, so, Batswana ba reeditse. Re ka batla nako kamoso ra tswelela mo kgannyeng e, ra ntsha sengwe le sengwe fa e le gore Honourable Yo o tlholang a ntse a lela thata ka GBV, Rre Boko, Tsogwane o batla gore re dire le yone. Re ka sutisa a bua ka Motion wa gagwe, ga a ka ke a tshikhinya sengwe le sengwe sa kamoso ra dira le yone. E seng tlhogo gompieno. Re batla go fetsa kgang e, re bo re ya gompieno ka bo past eight, re bo re dira melao e re kwa GBV. Re bo re ya go araba selelo sa Batswana se tlaa tsogang re e ikotlhaela. Re e dira ditlhaloganyo se ntsi kwa ntle. Two hours yo, ga se yo o ka ntshang tsa rona e se tsone. Ke dumalana le Honourable Dow mokola for Honourable Members just to dispose of gore sengwe le sengwe se ka ema. Ke utlwile a bua ka today’s business ka two hours or even push it le fa ba sa go okeletsa Mapalamente madi, rona ga re na sepe le e fetse. Ga se e e ka ntshang mokola batho betsho. We dikgang tseo ka gore ga di botlhokwa. Se se botlhokwa will meet tomorrow. It does not stop us from meeting ke gore a re feng kgang e e fa pele ga rona nako, e seng tomorrow because there is still a lot of work to do. Go re e fetisa fa gare ga masigo. Re a itse gore ke eng ba na le policies tse di botlhokwa tse re tshwanetseng re ye batla go e tabogisa. Re sale re buile maabane gore re

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lemogile gore you are in a rush. Le batla go fetisa molao o ka pele ka mabaka a le a itseng a selfish interest. Re kopa gore re tseyeng nako re fetse dikgang tse. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Thank you.

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, the much we allow Honourable Members to continue to debate such a Motion, which has never been debated in the past, is setting wrong precedence. We are allowing Members now to debate their issues instead of really casting a vote either for or against the Motion. All these Motions are decided by a vote. So, we cannot come here and justify our failures and say no, we will pass the law at night, re okeditse nako ya rona. Le kamoso even if we need time, we are still going to decide. If we are going to decide on two hours tomorrow, what will be the difference because it will be two hours. It will still be 8 o’clock, so, what will be the difference? I think he is just wasting our time Mr Speaker. I moved a Motion. Ke batla gore Ntlo e, e tseye tshwetso on that Motion.

MR SPEAKER: Leader of the House, we will come to that. As I said before, I do not think anybody here was standing on a point of procedure but I wanted to hear and see whether you can you can persuade each other. I thought that when I gave the Leader of the House the opportunity, he will try to meet you half way. I see that there are more hands, so, what I am going to do is that, I am going to put the question because I am satisfied that there is a disagreement.

Question put and Division called for.

MR SPEAKER: It is not a question of how loud you shout; it is a question of how many. In any event, the Minister has asked for a division.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR SPEAKER: Yes, I was ambivalent, so we will go for the division. Ring the bell for two minutes.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)…

MR SPEAKER: Fa o bua jaana, e tlaa re ba bitsa leina la gago motho wa Palapye, o bo o sa utlwe, o bo o felela o re “yes”.

CLERK:

MEMBER’S NAME AYE NO ABSTAIN ABSENT Honourable Eric Mothibi Molale √ Honourable Kefentse Mzwinila √ Honourable Fidelis Molao √ Honourable Kabo Morwaeng √ Honourable Kagiso Mmusi √ Honourable Thapelo Matsheka √ Honourable Mpho Balopi √ Honourable Dr Edwin Dikoloti √ Honourable Phildah Kereng √ Honourable Mmusi Kgafela √ Honourable Dr Lemogang Kwape √ Honourable Dr Douglas Letsholathebe √ Honourable Lefoko Moagi √ Honourable Annah Mokgethi √ Honourable Tumiso Rakgare √ Honourable Thulagano Segokgo √ Honourable Peggy Serame √

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Honourable Karabo Gare √ Honourable Mabuse Pule √ Honourable Kgotla Autlwetse √ Honourable Machana Shamukuni √ Honourable Sethomo Lelatisitswe √ Honourable Honest Buti Billy √ Honourable Nnaniki Makwinja √ Honourable Beauty Manake √ Honourable Setlhabelo Modukanele √ Honourable Dumezweni Mthimkhulu √ Honourable Molebatsi Molebatsi √ Honourable Dr Unity Dow √ Honourable Liakat Kablay √ Honourable Polson Majaga √ Honourable Mephato Reatile √ Honourable Sam Brooks √ Honourable Christian Greeff √ Honourable Thapelo Letsholo √ Honourable Tshoganetso Friction Leuwe √ Honourable Tumisang Mangwegape-Healy √ Honourable Simon Moabi √ Honourable Talita Monnakgotla √ Honourable Dumelang Saleshando √ Honourable Aubrey Lesaso √ Honourable Dithapelo Keorapetse √ Honourable Mokwaledi Moswaane √ Honourable Yandani Boko √ Honourable Palelo Motaosane √ Honourable Oabile Regoeng √ Honourable Johane Thiite √ Honourable Dr Kesitegile Gobotswang √ Honourable Taolo Lucas √ Honourable Pono Moatlhodi √ Honourable Motsamai Motsamai √ Honourable Kgoberego Nkawana √ Honourable Goretetse Kekgonegile √ Honourable Kenny Kapinga √ Honourable Kanaingura Hikuama √ Honourable Oneetse Ramogapi √ Honourable Dr Never Tshabang √ Honourable David Tshere √ Honourable Tshekedi Khama √ Honourable Leepetswe Lesedi √ Honourable Baratiwa Mathoothe √ Honourable Boipuso Wynter Mmolotsi √ Honourable Slumber Tsogwane √

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MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, Ga go tlhoke gore a re ba le dirisang ditagi lona, fa a re the results of your voting 24 “ayes”, 19 “noes”, absent ba ga lona, ke gone he is imputing, suggesting, implying 21 so the “ayes” have it, the “ayes” have it. mme re ne re bua gore e ne e se lantlha a dira jalo. O ne a ikganetsa gore o dirisitse mafoko a, a gore, “ba Question put and agreed to. ga lona ba di drugs.” E ne e se lantlha a dira jalo, Rre What I thought you would do Honourable Leader of Kapinga o ne a bua jalo. Jaanong re kopa gore a se ka a the Opposition, kgang ya maloba e o neng o tla ka the a boela morago fela, fa godimo ga moo, a kgalemelelwe Hansard, I am not sure that you have it, ke ne ke re go dira jalo e le Tona, a tlotle ofisi e a e tshwereng, a gongwe re fete ka yone because what I thought would kgalemelelwe go tsamaya a dirisa maemo a boTona go happen was that the Deputy Speaker, Honourable Pule bua mabarebare a a ka sekeng a a tsisetsa bosupi gope. might be in as it turns out he would not be with us for a E kalo kopo ya rona Mr Speaker. th couple of days. The Hansard of the 4 of December 2020 MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, we shall have read, last time the Honourable Minister as I said, the Speaker had ruled. It was after the ruling Morwaeng said he had no copy, and I think we can deal which I read that Honourable Morwaeng then said, with that. If you can start Honourable Leader of the “bagaetsho, ga ke ise ke re the other side who rally drug Opposition, as I read it, the then Speaker said, regarding dealers, se ke se buang ka re mo sepodiseng le na le the Honourable Minister, he said, “Honourable Minister, sepodise se se itebagantseng le bogodu jwa dikgomo in terms of Standing Order 47.5, you should not be le sa traffic. Le na le sepodise se gotweng narcotics, imputing some improper motives on other people. If you se Rre Kapinga ka boikokobetso a se itseng, e bile se ever said there are some drug dealers on this side, please itebagantse le bakaulengwe bao ba di drugs.” I am can you withdraw the statement,” hence the dispute. reading the record. So my reading of the record and The Minister said, “I never said anything about drug what we have just referred to Honourable Leader of the dealers or the opposition doing anything.” That was the Opposition, indicate that we should give Honourable question. The Speaker had said that “withdraw”. So, Morwaeng the same opportunity that the Speaker gave Honourable Saleshando, I give you leave to deal with him on the fourth to withdraw the imputation which the record so that we can get on with anything. I think comes out clearly, o ne a raya bakaulengwe, MR SALESHANDO: Mr Speaker, ke na le record and in the context of the House, there can only be one ya Palamente ya the 4th of December. E rile Tona Rre bakaulengwe. Morwaeng a bua ka maphata a a farologaneng a sepodise, HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... fa a ya go tsena kwa go ba ditagi kana drugs a ntse ka kwa a leng teng, a bo a supa ka kwano a re, “bagalona,” MR SPEAKER: Ka rialo, do not interpret for me, meaning the other side of the House, “bagalona ba you will soon lose my understanding. That is my ditagi,” go teng mo mokwalong wa Hansard. understanding of the record as I read it. I re-read it ke bo ke re gongwe ka Setswana se ka tsietsa motho. The If I were to read what he said, he said, “Mr Speaker, third time I thought what Leader of the Opposition ga ke itse gore a Motlotlegi Rre Gobotswang o utlwa read in addition which I read made it quite clear to sentle kana o na le mathata a eng. A ke a ditsebe kana me that a fair reading of this statement indicates that ga a ntlhaloganye. Ga go molato, mma ke tlhalose, se Honourable Morwaeng was referring to the Honourable se diragalang gone jaana ra re, training ya mapodise a Members opposite to him. So Honourable Morwaeng, rona include dikgang tsa GBV, e itebagantse le crime in the order therefore for the Chair is that on the reading general, but go na le aspect ya GBV. Se re se dirileng of this record, you did imply as a least aspersion on gone jaana re le Goromente le sepodise, re ya go nna le your colleagues, Honourable Members on the other special unit e e itebagantseng le dikgang tsa mofuta o. side of the House, and the honourable thing would be Ra re, re e dirile gone jaana jaaka ke bua le wena. The to withdraw that imputation and we will be done with training in ongoing. Jaanong ka thulaganyo eo, police the matter. stations tsa rona tsotlhe, jaaka re na le ba transport kana traffic, ba dikgomo, ba diteemane, ba galona ba the MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL drugs, go tlaabo go na le ba jaanong ba itebagantseng AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC le lekoko la thulaganyo e re buang ka yone ya GBV, ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Mma ke bogolo jang mo baneng.” go leboge Motlotlegi Rraetsho Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo

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tsa Palamente. Kana o motsadi, mme e bile fa o le MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! The debate on this motsadi o bua mafoko a mofuta o, a tshwanetse go Bill is resuming. When the House adjourned yesterday, sekegelwa tsebe. Pele ga ntlha e, kana Setswana le sone Honourable Kapinga was on the floor debating and he fa gongwe ga re se utlwe ka go tshwana. Tota fa o re ba was left with 8 minutes 48 seconds. garona bakaulengwe, ka segarona fa re bua ke mafoko a re a dirisang. MR KAPINGA (OKAVANGO): Thank you Mr Speaker. Go gakolola bangwe se ke se buileng maabane HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Mr Speaker, ke gore principle ya gore batho ga ba a MR MORWAENG: Fa e le gore go lemotshegile jalo tshwanela go sia ka ditlhopho tsa batho ga ke na bothata in your reading Mr Speaker, go lebanye gore fa o e le yone gotlhelele. Se ke neng ke se bua ke gore mashi lebile jalo, o bo o dumela gore gongwe ke ne ke raya ke tswa thobeng ke le phepa, selabe se tla le motsaya bakaulengwe ba me. Tota ke tshwanetse ke dire the right kgamelo. Ke supa gore ga re kgotsofalele the motives thing, ke kope maitshwarelo fa e le gore e balegile jalo. tsa ba ba tsisang molao o gore maikaelelo a bone ke eng, Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. ba akantse eng ka fa morago. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... Jaanong maabane ke supile gore molao o o kgona go dirisiwa go koafatsa ba kganetso. E bile go setse go MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister, the reading is the first part which was that the training is ongoing, itshupile mo lefatsheng lengwe le re bapileng le lone, le “jaanong ka thulaganyo eo, police stations tsa rona e leng gore party ya teng e e busang ke tsala e tona ya tsotlhe jaaka re na le ba transport kana traffic, ba ga Domkrag. Ke belaela gore ba ba rutile magokonyane dikgomo, diteemane, ba ga lona ba di drugs.” I do mangwe. not think is a question Mokwena, the Speaker’s understanding is a question of Setswana, “ba ga lona Jaanong gompieno Mr Speaker, ke batla go tsena mo ba di drugs” read together with what I read after the kgannyeng ya consultation. Maabane re ne re utlwa intervention by Honourable Kapinga, which I thought Honourable Kgafela a re, kana e kgang ga e batle put the matter beyond my limited understanding ya referendum, fa go rerisitswe Magosi fela go siame, e Setswana, with it se itebagantse le bakaulengwe bao ba bile le consultation e kilwe ya dirwa 22 years ago. Se ke di drugs, ‘bakaulengwe’. I do not think Minister; you are batlang go se bua Mr Speaker ke gore consultation ya 22 entitled to say you are withdrawing on the understanding years ago, go adima mafoko mangwe a a kileng a buiwa that it is the understanding of the Speaker. I do not think fa maloba, e tlodilwe ke dipeba. 22 years ke lebaka le so Mokwena, just stand up, do the honourable thing, just le leele. Sa bobedi, ga re ka ke ra re setšhaba has been withdraw, the imputation is quite clear to me. consulted ka gore go builwe le Ntlo ya Dikgosi. Kgang MR MORWAENG: Motlotlegi Motsamaisa e ke e e buang ka Constitutional issues, tse e leng gore Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke sone se ke se buang they are very political, tse di buang ka sephathi. gore ke boela mafoko a morago. Kana o nkgakolotse ke rile o rara, ke boela kwa morago mafoko gore ke DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of elucidation Mr re ka kgakololo ya gago ke raya gore ke utlwile ntate, Speaker. Kana mabaka a a dirang gore re bo re nna le ke utlwile Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. I census dingwaga tse lesome dingwe le dingwe, ke gone withdraw. Ke a leboga. gore go a dumelesega gore mo 10 years tota dilo di a bo di fetogile. Ke raya gore o e tshwere sentle Honourable MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Minister. Member. Thank you. Honourable Saleshando, I think we are done with that one. You can now proceed Honourable Members, nako MR KAPINGA: Point e ke batlang go e gatelela ke gore, ga e a re ema sentle, but I thought we should not leave re ne re bua fa maloba, e bile o kare re dumalana, gore things hanging which you can dispose of. Honourable ga re a tshwanela go tsenya Magosi mo dikgannyeng Members, let us now go to the Motions. tsa sepolotiki. Jaanong kgang e re e tshwereng e ke e e leng gore it is very political, e e buang gore a mme ke CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL, na le kgololesego ya gore fa ke sa tlhola ke batla party 2020 (NO. 14 OF 2020) e ke ka tswa ka ya kwa, go raya eng mo bathong ba Second Reading ba ntlhophileng. Jaanong point e ke batlang go e dira ke gore, bagaetsho, ga ke a tlhophiwa ke Dikgosi. Ke (Resumed Debate) tlhophilwe ke Batswana ba ba kwa magaeng. Ke bone

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ba le tshwanetseng gore le ye go bua le bone, le lebale Damaseko, the Damascus experience e ke neng ke bua ka mole mo go 22 years, le lebale ka gone. Le ye go bua ka yone maabane. Ga ke na tumelo ya gore go na le le Batswana, gore la reng ka kgang e, ka gore tumelo sengwe se se le sokolotseng, se se le dirang gore le bone ya me ke gore Batswana ba tlaa le bolelela gore, mme tshiamo mo tsamaisong e le tlang ka yone e, go na le e e re le fetola molao o, le itsa batho go sia ka ditlhopho le neng le ntse le e tlwaetse, e le neng le phamola mo tsa rona, e le selo se re se ratang, le itlhotlhore dithata bathong. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. tsa go laola tsamaiso ya ditlhopho at the same time. Ke dumela gore ba a itse, e bile ba a belaela gore le ka tloga MR KABLAY (LETLHAKENG-LEPHEPHE): Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke re le nna rraetsho ke eme, ke la dirisa dithata le molao o go koafatsa kganetso kana go eme nokeng mogopolo wa ga Tona, Molao-kakanyetso o koafatsa seemo sa Mapalamente mo Palamenteng, ka go a re o beileng pele. Ke mo eme nokeng thata. Mogopolo dira gore ba tswe mo setilong sa bone. Le bo le nna fela o rraetsho Batswana ba sale ba o emetse, e le gore go le sa bitse by-election, ka gore thata e mo go lona gore ntse go na le madiadia a a neng a le teng mo molaong by-election e ka bidiwa leng. Ke dumela gore go supa o. Molao o ke gakologelwa gore ka 2010 o kile wa tla, tota gore le batla go dira dilo mo boammaaruring, dilo mme re le Palamente ka nako eo, ke tsaya gore o ne o tse di tshwanetse go tsamaya mmogo. Molao o o fete le teng Mr Speaker, re ne ra o buisanya, mme ra se ka le dipaakanyo tse dingwe, tse jaanong le tlogelelang ba ra dumalana ka dilo dingwe. Ke tsaya gore dilo dingwe Independent Electoral Commission, go bona gore fa go tseo di ne tsa ya go baakanngwa, ka re ne re gana mo go na le phatlha e e batlang by-election, e bo e nna bone neng gotwe moeteledipele wa party o ka tsaya tshwetso fela e seng ope gape who determines gore by-election e eo ya gore a go kobe o le Mopalamente mo phathing ya e ya go nna leng. gago. E re a go koba, e bo go ya go nna ditlhopho kwa kgaolong ya gago. Ke gakologelwa gore ka 2010 e rile Kgang e nngwe e ke batlang go feta ka yone Mr Speaker, molao o o bewa pele, re ne ra se ka ra o dumela thata re ke boloke nako, ke ya independent candidate yo o tlang le bantsi re le backbench ya party e e busang. Jaanong ke mo Palamenteng a ne a ikgaratlhela a le nosi ka leina lebogela gore a bo temana eo rraetsho e tswa go ntshiwa, la gagwe, ka sekano sa gagwe a le nosi, fa e le gore e le gore ga go na ope moeteledipele yo o nang le dithata o ne a ipitsa lefeelo, e le lefeelo la gagwe le le nosi tsa gore o ka nkoba mo phathing kana mo Palamenteng koo. E re a sena go tsena mo Palamenteng a bo a bona gore ditlhopho di tle di ye go tshwarwa kwa kgaolong. go le botlhokwa gore jaanong a ka inaakanya le party Jaanong re ne re bua gore, kana re tlile go tshaba go bua. nngwe, go mo itsa go ya to join party e nngwe, what Re tlile go tshaba go bua mo Palamenteng, o tshaba go public good does that prohibition serves, go thusa eng? buelelela kgaolo ya gago, o itse gore fa o bua fa gongwe Go etleetsa eng mo interest ya setšhaba? What interest o tlaabo o itebagantse le party kana Goromente wa gago, does it protect? Se ke se bonang ke gore le a itse gore a bo e le gore moeteledipele ka nako eo o ka kgona gore fa o ikgaratlhela, campaigning o le nosi, o senyegelwa a bo a na le dithata tsa go go koba mo Palamenteng. ke madi a a seng kana ka sepe, e bile you will not be Jaanong ke lebogela thata gore e bo clause eo Mr ready. Ke gore o tlaabo o sena thata ya gore o bo o Speaker e ntshitswe, e sa tlhole e le teng. ka boa o tsena mo ipapatsong e nngwe mo sebakeng se se khutshwane. Jaanong le batla go ba tshwara fela Sa bobedi, Mr Speaker, ke leboge gore rraetsho batho jaana ka tsone ditshenyegelo, ka madi, gore ba nne fela ba bogale ka kgang e, gore, ba se na go ntlhopha ke le fa ba leng teng ba se ka ba bo ba akanya go suta ba Mopalamente wa bone wa Letlhakeng-Lephephe, e re itshwaraganya le ope. kamoso ba bo ba utlwa gotwe, nnyaa e bile Kablay o dule ga e sa tlhole e le Mopalamente wa Domkrag, ke Mr Speaker, ke batla go digela ke re, a go boelwe kwa Mopalamente wa party e sele. Batho ba Modimo e re setšhabeng. Party e e busang e e ye go bolelela setšhaba letsatsi la ditlhopho ba sale ba tsoga maphakela ba ya go gore, bagaetsho, re ne re ntse re phamola, o itse nonyane tlhopha, mo dipuleng tse di kanakana, serame le letsatsi. e gotweng mmankgodi, re ne re ntse re phamola mo Batho ba itse gore ba ya go tlhopha moemedi wa bone, diphathing tse dingwe, re sokologile, ka gore re bone yo e leng gore jaaka e le moemedi wa bone, o ya go bosula jwa dilo tse re neng re ntse re di dira. Jaanong kgona gore tse a neng a di ba solofetsa, a kgone go ya ga re sa tlhole re batla go dira dilo tseo. Le bone gore go di diragatsa. a setšhaba se tlaa dumalana le lona gore a ka nnete le sokologile jaanong le bonye boammaaruri, jaaka Saulo Mr Speaker, fa o ipapaletsa ditlhopho, o bapatsa le party a ne a bona boammaaruri a le mo tseleng ya go ya e e go romileng. Ke raya gore ke le Kablay jaana, ke a

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bo ke sena mananeo; mananeo e a bo e le a party ya me, gore o tshwanetse go sia mo clarification e e kopilweng e ke emeng ka yone. ke Honourable Gobotswang. Le mo re batlang go go fetola mo, go ntse go le mo Molaomotheong. Potso Fa ke bapatsa phathi e ke emeng ka yone gore e ya go ke gore wa reng ka batho… Tota e bile ke go utlwela le direla se le se, e re batho ba sena go utlwa gore gatwe botlhoko ka gore o sale o tlile mo Palamenteng, o ka bo phathi e e ya go dira se le se, e bo e le nna kamoso ke o setse gongwe o beilwe boTona. Motho o ne a jelwe tlhanogetse mafoko a me, e le gore jaanong ga ke sa ke ditlhopho tsa 2019 kwa Serowe, batho ba Serowe ba tlhole ke le mo mafokong a me, ke mo go a sele. Selo se rile ga ba mmatle ka gore ga a ba siamela, o ka se ka a Mr Speaker, se ne se sa tseye Batswana sentle. Batswana isa dikeletso tsa bone, ba mo gana tota go tlhoafetswe, ba ne ba sa wele. Ke sone se o neng o ntse o utlwa Mr jaanong the very same person mo mosong fa go tsogwa Speaker, gotwe Batswana ba gana go ya ditlhophong, re fitlhela a le mo Palamenteng e bile a dirilwe Tona. ga ba batle go ya go tlhopha, ikwadiso ya ditlhopho e A o bona go se boatla? A o bona go siame gore go bo kwa tlase. E ne e le kwa tlase ka gore Batswana ba ne go ntse jalo, batho ba go ganne ba re wena ga re go ba tsaya gore owaii! mo ga ditlhopho ke go tshameka. batle mme e re go tsogwa mo mosong ba go fitlhela o Re tlhopha motho, mme fa re sena go mo tlhopha e bile le Tona? Ke gore o le Tona, bo Honourable Kablay ba kamoso o dule. Mosola wa gore re ye go tlhopha ke eng? ne ba fufutse ba ipapatsa, bone ba bo ba sa fiwe boTona Go botoka re itunela fa fatshe ka gore ga re itse mosola kana boTonanyana. Wa reng ka kgang eo? Ke a leboga. wa tlhopho. Mr Speaker, selo se se tlaa thusa. Se tlaa supa gore tota fa gotwe tlhopho go tewa eng. Batswana MR KABLAY: Thank you Mr Speaker. Rraetsho ba ba tlhophang ba tlaa bona gore fa ke ya go tlhopha, Honourable Boko, tlhaloso ke jaaka ke ne ke bua gore go raya gore konopo ya me e tlaabo e sireleditswe ka Speaker o ne a tlhalosa gore selo se thata fa se le mo gore fa e ka bo e sa sireletswa, go ne go tlaa direga jaaka Molaomotheong. Fa gotwe o tshwanelwa ke gore after go ne go ntse go dirwa. O tlaa bona mo ditlhophong tse ditlhopho go bo go nna le Mapalamente a a tlhophilweng di tlang Mr Speaker, Batswana ba le bantsi ba tlile go ke Palamente, re tshwanetse ra fetisa golo moo. Gore re ikwadisetsa go ya go tlhopha, ba bona gore jaanong go o fetole, go tlaabo go senkiwa tsela e nngwe. Fa e le gore tlhoafetswe. Goromente yo o mo setilong o tlhoafetse ga le batle Specially Elected Members of Parliament, o batla Batswana ba tlhopha. Re batla Batswana ba le tlaa tla mo Palamenteng go tla go sutisa jalo gore tlhopha ba le bantsi ka gore fa ba dira jalo, ke jaaka re a re phimoleng this Clause ya nominated Members of nonotsha puso ya batho ka batho. Parliament. Le lona kamoso fa le ka tsaya Puso, le ya go fitlhela Clause e e ntse e le teng e le tshwanetseng Mr Speaker, re leboga thata gore molao o o bo o le teng go e sala morago, Palamente e tshwanetse to nominate gore tšhakgalo e e kanakana, batho ba sena go ntlhopha Mapalamente a le six. Mr Speaker, ka e mo molaong, ke kamoso e bile ke tsamaile, selo se se tlaa ema... rona ba re neng re e itirela, ga ke itse gore fa gotwe ga e a siama, ga e a siama fa kae? Mma ke tle ke e lebalebe, DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of clarification. ke bone gore ga e a siama. Fa e sa siama, ke tlaa boela Ke a leboga Chief Whip. Ke a go utlwa. Ke batla o kwano ke re ga e a siama. Gompieno ke tsaya gore e mpolelele gore wa reng ka batho ba ba tlaabong ba santse e siame Mr Speaker. emetse ditlhopho, batho ba bo ba ba gana, ba bo ba tla ba tsenngwa mo Palamenteng e nna Matona fa godimo Rraetsho, rona ba bangwe ba re neng ra bona tshono ga gago wena yo o fufutseng, o senyegelwa? Wa reng ka ya gore ka Tenth Parliament re ye go bua le batlhophi kgang eo Honourable Member? ba rona, re ne ra bua ka kgang e kwa Dikgotleng tsa rona. Batho ba ne ba ntsha dikgakololo tsa bone jaaka MR KABLAY: Thank you Honourable Gobotswang. ke ntse ke tlhalosa. Mr Speaker, ga gona sepe se re ka Ke tsaya gore kgang eo Mr Speaker, Rre Skelemani se fetolang go le kana se se mo Molaomotheong jaaka o letse a e tlhalositse maabane. O tlhalositse gore bakaulengwe ba ntse ba bua. Molaomotheo wa lefatshe wa reng. Ga ke batle go boela mo teng thata ka gore o letse a re e tlhaloseditse thata Bagaetsho, fa e le gore ba bona gore Kablay o ne mme ba bangwe ra e tlhaloganya thata, re ne re ntse re a ngakaletse a le nosi mo ditlhophong, mme e rile fa sa e tlhaloganye... go tsenwa mo Palamenteng go tlhophiwa a se ka a tlhophiwa, ga fitlhelwa motho yo o neng a tsewa koo MR BOKO: Further clarification. Thank you Mr gotwe he is nominated o tlile go nna Mopalamente, a bo Speaker. Honourable Member, ga ke dumalane le wena a tla go mpheta ka maemo, ga gona sepe se se ka dirwang

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Mr Speaker. Re tshwanetse ra amogela seemo jaaka se MR KABLAY: …gore a se ka a tlhola a dira jalo. ntse, re a itse re le Mapalamente gore dikgang tse re Letsapa la rona, dipula, serame jaaka re ne re ile go mo di buisang Mapalamente fa ba itlhophetswe, tota tse tlhopha gore e nne yone kotlhao ya rona e e tswang kwa dingwe e a bo e se tsone. Ga re a tshwanela go gobolola batlhophing.” Ba ne ba nthaya jalo. Ke a leboga Mr bakaulengwe ba rona Mapalamente a a nominated ke Speaker. Palamente jaaka ke utlwa re ba buisa. They are not here by mistake... MR REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): Mma ke go leboge Mr Speaker. Ke bo ke leboge gore Tona MR BOKO: On a point of clarification. Honourable a bo a tsisitse molao o fa pele ga Ntlo e e boitshepho. Kablay, ke ne ke batla re feta ka kgang e ka gore e utlwisa A tlisa molao o fa pele ga Ntlo e e boitshepho jaana, botlhoko. Ke ithutile molao o o bitswang Constitutional nna e bile ke kile ka bua thata le ba di radio ka one. Law kwa Mmadikole, ke o tlhaloganya botoka. Ke tsaya Ke solofela gore position ya me e a itsege, ke ne ke e buile kwa radio, jaanong ke gore ke e bue mo Ntlong e gore gongwe le wena o ka tswa o kgabotse ka one golo e boitshepho e tsene mo Hansard. gongwe mo botshelong jwa gago. Re tshwanetse go fa Molaomotheo tlotla e tona ka gore melao e yotlhe e e Mr Speaker, ke simolole ka gore ga gona jaaka ke ka re dirwang mo lefatsheng e tsaya legitimacy mo go one. fa ke bua ka molao o, ke bo ke bataletse, ke batalela ope. Now we want to amend the Constitution e e leng gore ga Ke tshwanetse ke bue se ke dumelang gore Batswana ba se gore it serves Honourable Kablay, Rre Motaosane, se buile, jaaka Honourable Kablay a sa tswa go bua. E Honourable Moagi le Honourable Morwaeng fela, ne ya re ka 10th Parliament Mr Speaker, ga nna le kgang nnyaa. It serves the entire Batswana. Le dirile phoso e ya gore molao o go ne go ntse go buiwa ka one, re ne ra nngwe e tona e le tlileng go e ikotlhaela go tswa fa go tsamaya, ra ya go bua le Batswana, ba ntsha dikakgelo yeng kwa pele ya gore fa le rerisitse Magosi fela… ga ka fa ba di ntshang ka teng. Re supe gore, Tshutiso e ke itse gore a kae ba ba nnang kwa Ntlong ya Dikgosi ya Molaomotheo o re o tshwereng gompieno, e teng le bo le re gone moo go lekane gore le bo le buile le e a bereka mo mafatsheng a mangwe, ga e simolole Magosi fela. Batswana bone la reng ka bone? Forget lantlha e le mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Re tsaya gore about the 22 years yo le buang ka ene gore le ne la rerisa kwa o berekang teng kwa mafatsheng a mangwe, le 22 years back, la reng ka Batswana? Motho a le one gone koo magodimo ga a wa, molao o o bereka sentle fela yo ke mo opelang diatla yo o rerisitseng batho, ke fela. Re tshwanetse re lebe kwa molao o o berekang Honourable Leuwe. A re 95 per cent ya batho ba gagwe teng. Lefatshele molao o o berekang thata teng go ya ba ne ba dumalana le kgang ya to amend Molaomotheo. go tsena le kwa go ba Specially Elected Members, ka Ke itse gore ga a bue boammaaruri, mme ke tlaa mo fa gore ke bonye gore ke cut and paste ka fa o ntseng ka the benefit of the doubt. Wa reng ka go tlhoka go rerisa teng go tswa kwa lefatsheng leo, ke lefatshe la Uganda. Batswana extensively, e seng Magosi fela? Ke a leboga. Uganda ke yone e e dirisang molao o ka matsetseleko a a feteletseng. Fa o fentse o tsena mo Palamenteng MR KABLAY: Thank you Mr Speaker. Rraetsho, jaaka o le mokoko, ga o ka ke wa sutela gope, le fa o ka ke ne ke bua Mr Speaker, ke ne ka bua gore e rile ka the tshwarwa ke mowa wa gore o ka join phathi epe, mowa Tenth Parliament re na le bo Honourable Saleshando, re ga o letlelele gore o ka tsena mo phathing eo, ka gore ne ra fiwa tshono yato consult. Ke tswa to consult batho Molaomotheo ke gone ka fa o agilweng ka teng. ba kgaolo ya gaetsho ba ba neng ba amogela mogopolo gore re batla go nne jaaka o bua Mopalamente. Fa o Mr Speaker, ke tshwenngwa thata ke gore Uganda; tswa ka seat e re go tlhophileng ka yone, o sia ka yone, puso ya batho ka batho ya yone fa o re o a e lebelela, a go iwe ditlhophong. Kwa Serinane ba ne ba nthaya ba ke e e ngomolang pelo. Mapodise ba tshela ka sethitho, re, “Mopalamente, re kopa gore mo go yone Clause e o ba kobakobanye le baagi ba lefatshe la Uganda. tsenye Clause-nyana foo gore fa Mopalamente a sia ka Go simolotswe pele tota go agiwa Molaomotheo, seat ya kgaolo a ya phathing e sele, go nne le Clause go netefatsa to centralise powers mo go a certain e Mopalamente yo a tshwanetseng go kgwathisiwa individual. Jaanong gone foo, ke gone fa re simololang dithupa di le four… go kgotlhakgotlhela tikologo ya puso ya batho ka batho.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Mr Speaker, kgang e e leng teng ke ya gore fa re lebelela mafatshe otlhe a dilo di ntseng di sa iketla, o ka tsaya HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Kablose! bo Cambodia ka 1975, fa go ne go eteletse bo Rre Pol

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Pot, ke bone ba ka nako eo, go ne go kgonagala gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… motho a bo a ya go bolawa gore o rwala digalase. A MR SPEAKER: Ke Modukanele motho yole? Ga se bolaelwa fela gore no, o botlhale o tloga a tsenya batho Rre Regoeng? mowa o o maswe, a bo a bolawa le ka bana ba gagwe. Dilo tse Mr Speaker, di simolola mo Ntlong e go ntse HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… jaana. Molaomotheo fa go ya go buiwa ka yone, re bua HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ka one mo sebopegong se se ntseng jaana Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse re tseye bangwe ka motlhala, ba ba neng …Silence… ba tla ka Ditshutiso tsa Molaomotheo, mme e rile kwa phelelong, batho ba lefatshe leo ya sala e le masiela, MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Good afternoon Molaomotheo one o ntse o le teng. Dikgang tse re Honourable Members. When the House broke for some tshwanetse Mr Speaker, re di bue. refreshments this afternoon, I am reliably informed the Honourable Member for Jwaneng-Mabutsane was still Mr Speaker, jaaka re le mo Ntlong e, ga gona ope yo o mo holding the floor, and he still has to himself a quota of teng e le delegate, re mo Ntlong e re le representatives 15 minutes 10 seconds. go tswa mo dikgaolong tse di farologaneng. Ga gona ope yo e reng a le fa, Constitution ya lefatshe la MR REATILE: Mma ke go leboge Mr Speaker. Ke Botswana e bo e mmolelela gore jaanong o delegate, tsweledise fa ke neng ke eme teng. Ke ne ke santse tlhophang ka fa e rileng le tswa kwa dikgaolong la bo ke itsise batlotlegi gore, kgang e ya floor crossing le romiwa mandate wa gore jaanong le ya congresses, Mr Speaker, rona ba bangwe ga re e bue re bala mo tlhophang ka block. Molaomotheo wa lefatshe le, o re dibukeng. Ga re e bue re e utlwaletse mo mebileng, re golotse gore o tlhophe o itse gore kamoso o ka defender bua re e dirile, ke rona ba re ka buang ditso tsa yone fa. se o se tlhophileng fa pele ga banna le basadi, gore ke Ga ke itse gore le bafe gape, mme ke mongwe wa bone. se se ntseng jang. Delegates Mr Speaker, fa ba tsena mo Mr Speaker, ke tshwanetse ke supe gore ga ke a felela congresses, ba tlhopha ka fa ba tlang ba laetswe ka teng fela mo floor crossing. Ke ne ke utlwa batlotlegi ba ntse go tswa kwa dikgaolong, ga ba a tshwanela go fapoga ba tlhasetse Specially Elected Members, ke mongwe wa mandate o ba o romilweng ke dikgaolo tsa bone, ka beneficiaries tsa go nna Specially Elected. Constitution gore ke resolutions tse di tswang kwa dikgaolong. Mo e Mr Speaker, ke robile mo tsamaisong ya yone. Fa Palamenteng Mr Speaker, ga go a nna jalo. Mr Speaker, o tsena kwa Local Government Act, le gone o tlaa kgang e e teng; floor crossing ke golo mo ke setseng ke fitlhela ke le beneficiary, ka gore ke ne ka nna Specially na le botswerere jwa gone. Ke tsamaile ka seat go tswa Nominated Councillor kwa Southern. Ke mongwe wa kwa Botswana National Front (BNF) ke ya kwa… beneficiaries, jaanong ke bua ke itse gore go letlelela MR SPEAKER: Order! Order Honourable Members! Molaomotheo o Mr Speaker, le molawana o wa Local O tlaa tla o busetse seat eo fa re tla. Let us adjourn and Government gore di tswelele di ntse di tshela, tshiamelo observe COVID. ya teng ke eng.

PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 4:00 P.M. FOR Mr Speaker, Molao-kakanyetso o re o tlisang gore APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES re baakanye Constitution ya lefatshe la Botswana, o bereka mo bathong bangwe, mo go ba bangwe ga o PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 4:30 P.M. bereke. Ke ka tlhalosa Mr Speaker gore, fa gompieno Honourable Dumelang Saleshando a ka… nnyaa, mma “EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” ke se ka ka re Dumelang Saleshando, Honourable Boko MR SPEAKER (MR MOATLHODI): Order! ka gore ke ene Leader ya Umbrella for Democratic Honourable Members, please go to your seats; Change (UDC), a bo a koba Honourable Motsamai, Honourable Regoeng, Honourable Autlwetse. Honourable Motsamai o ka ya go itsheka kwa court. Fa a itsheka kwa court, court e bo e dumalana le ene, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… go tlaabo gotwe nnyaa, ga wa kobiwa sentle, tswelela o nne ka boUDC jwa gago. So o ya go tswelela e ntse HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… e le moUDC. Fela jalo le Honourable Mmolotsi, fa Rre MR SPEAKER: Modukanele ke ofe? Gaolathe a mo kobile, a bo a ya go itsheka, court e bo e

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dumalana le ene, o tswelela e ntse e le mo Alliance for tshwara ke tse di tsileng go pateletsa gore jaanong batho Progressives (AP). Mr Speaker, molao o mo go yo e leng ba sie. Constitutional review Mr Speaker, fa e dirwa, ga moDomkrag, ga o bereke, ka gore fa o ka kobiwa o le e dirwe ke rona fa, e dirwa ke beng ba lefatshe, rona fa moDomkrag, Section 41 ya Molaomotheo wa lefatshe la ke go tla go e fetisa ka fa ba rileng ba re megopolo e tle e Botswana, ga o ka ke wa ya go itsheka. Fa o tsena kwa, ntse ka teng. Fa o utlwa gotwe re tshwanetse to maintain lekwalo le le go kobileng mo Botswana Democratic stability, re bone gore re fetisa molao o gore stability se Party (BDP), le saennwe ke Tautona wa BDP, and ga go nne, ga gona Constitutional review e e tlang Mr Speaker, letle gore o ka sekisa Tautona wa lefatshe la Botswana, se se tlang e ya go tla e le ditaelo. Batswana ba gana, go ka fa Molaomotheo wa lefatshe la Botswana o ntseng tlile go nna le national outcry ka fa re tlaabong re re re ka teng. baakanya (amend) Constitution ka teng. That is why o bona gore jaanong re dumela go tsoma stability ka go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… netefatsa gore re lotlelele batho mo teng ga diphathi tse MR REATILE: Gone mo Mr Speaker, o kgona go bona ba leng mo go tsone. imbalance ya teng ya gore, ga re ka ke ra tlisa molao o Batswana ba ya to revolt, ka fa re ikaeletseng gore e leng gore… ke gore molao fa o tla mo teng ga Ntlo e, re ye go dira Molaomotheo ka teng. Fa e le bone ba o tshwanetse o bo o le universally applicable. E seng o o dirang Batswana, re ba rerisa (consult), ga gona ope jaanong o bonwang mo mohameng mongwe, fa o tsena who can revolt ka gore ke bone ba tlaabong ba re, se se mo mohameng mongwe molao wa teng ga o tsene. tshwanetseng gore se tsene mo Constitution ya lefatshe Gone mo Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse re netefatse gore la Botswana, se se siametseng go re tsamaisa re le tota fa re bua ka molao, re direle Batswana molao, re Batswana ke tse di latelang. Ke sone se nako le nako se ka ra tla go kwala Constitution ya the ruling party re neng re tsamaya re ya referendums, consultations di ka Constitution ya lefatshe. Mr Speaker, e tshwanetse dirwa, mme ga go ise go tle go nne le matsubutsubu a e re fa re bua, re bo re itse gore tota re lebile eng, do diphefo le dikgadima. we address issues tsa the ruling party kana re address Mr Speaker, kgang e ke tshwanetseng gongwe ke fete issues which are of national interest. ka yone gape ke ya go supa gore yo o tswang a resign, go tle go nne le by-election, nnyaa ke mogopolo o o Mr Speaker, ke bo ke tswelela ke supa gore fa batlotlegi siameng. Ga gona stress gore by-election e ka nna teng. ba bua, bangwe ba ne ba le fa ba ne ba bua ba re kwa Mathata ke gore fa e le gore Mr Speaker, re ya go nna debate e ba neng ba le kwa go yone bo Honourable le by-elections, ke gore fa o ka gopola gore by-elections Tshere, kwa bo Gabz FM, go bo gotwe molao o o tse di ka bong di ne di ntse ka 1998, fa BCP e agiwa, tlisetswa bo Reatile fa ba bua at the debate Ke gore o di ne di le 11 tsa Mapalamente, Makhanselara ga ke kile wa bona Constitution e kwalwa, e kwalelwa motho? kgone go tshwara. Budget eo re sa e ipaakanyetsa, mme Ao banna! Jeso...(laughter!)… le gompieno Mr Speaker, molao o o le teng, Batswana ba ba batlang go tlogela UDC, BPF kana BDP, molao o HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… o le teng ba ya go di tlogela gore go iwe by-elections. MR REATILE: Mr Speaker, tse re tsamayang re ntse Ke gore go na le motsotso o o kgonang go ineela gore re di bona. Jaanong ke supe fela gore batho ba ba neng o obamele ka fa o busiwang ka teng, go le botlhoko go ba bua fa Mr Speaker, bangwe ba ne ba bua dikgang tse ntse jang, mme go na le motsotso o o dumelang gore, di botlhale gore re tshwanetse go fetisa molao ka gore nnyaa, enough is enough. O bo o re ke felela gone fa, ga o tlaa maintain stability. Constitutional review e batla ke sa tlhole ke tswela kwa pele. Ke gore o amogela gore stability, ke gone ka fa ba neng ba e bua ka teng. Mr jaanong fa e le gore motsotso o a pateletsa gore Rara Speaker, Constitutional review go boammaaruri e batla a go tseye, a go tseye o le gone foo, o dumela gore go stability, mme ga re ka ke ra e direla stability ka floor ntekanye, ke ikutlwetse, ga ke sa tlhole ke fetela pele. crossing. Bone bao fa ba ya go tsena mo seemong seo Mr Speaker, Floor crossing, ba ba batlang go tsamaya, ke gore fa ba setse jaanong ba tlogela diphathi tse ba tlaabong ke ipotsa gore yone Constitutional review, re ya go ba le mo go tsone, re tlaabo re ya kwa by-elections tse tshwara eng se se re tshosang mo re dumelang gore a re dintsi mo e leng gore re tlaabo re ne re di laletsa gore re kganeleng (block)gore batho ba se ka ba tsamaya pele. na le madi a mantsi re le lefatshe la Botswana gore ope A re tswaleng gates ka gore sections tse re yang go di yo o tlogelang political party, e le Mokhanselara kana

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Mopalamente, re bo re ya kwa by-elections. Bona fela go se ka ga nna le floor crossing. Honourable Majaga, ditshenyegelo tse re tlaa tsenang mo go tsone tlhe Mr Mopalamente wa Nata-Gweta, o tlile ka Tshutiso mo Speaker. teng ga Ntlo e a kopa gore a Tautona a nne le lebokoso a tlhophiwe, Palamente ya dumalana. Jaanong ke eng fa Mo kgannyeng ya gore go rerisitswe Marara, ke mowa re ya go tsaya ya ga Motlotlegi Mma Kokorwe re tlogela o montle. Molaomotheo o a letla gore dikgang tse di ya ga Motlotlegi Majaga, ka gore ke Motions tsa Ntlo e? amang Constitution go reriwe le Magosi. Kwa Ntlong A re di diragatseng tse tsotlhe. Go nne le gore jaanong ya Dikgosi Mr Speaker, go rerilwe le Marara ba le 35 e re kamoso Tautona fa a tsaya Cabinet kwa ntle, e se ba ba leng mo Ntlong ya Dikgosi. Mo go bone ba ba ka ya re a tswa go tsaya bo Honourable Manake le 35 ba Mr Speaker, those who are resourced ke Puso bo Honourable Kereng, go bo go tla go nna lekgobo ya letsatsi, ba eight. Ba e leng gore fa ba tsena kwa le letonatona go ntse gotwe ba tsenye ka difensetere. dikgaolong tsa bone, ba kgona go tsaya BX ba and tour Molaomotheo re o age gore a ye go tsaya Cabinet ya ba itsise dikgaolo tsa bone gore re tswa go kopa gore gagwe kwa ntle, e bo e le gore jaanong o feta a tsamaisa Molaomotheo wa lefatshe la Botswana o baakanngwe, lefatshe ka yone, go sena gope fa Mapalamente ba ke batho ba le eight. Ba bo Kweneng Region, tsenang teng. Mapalamente bone ba tle mo Ntlong e go Ngwaketse West Region, ba ba fanang ka region bao tla go dira molao. E se ka ya re maphakela o bo o le are not resourced. Ke batho fela ba foo, ba ba tsenang Minister, maitseboa o bo o nna Mopalamente. mo Kgotleng, a bo a nna, letsatsi le bo le phirima, a bo a tšhaisa a ya kwa lelwapeng. Ga a ka ke a re o tsamaya Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke tle ke supe gore kgang e le (tour) kgaolo ka gore Puso e mo itebaditse gore o nngwe e ke neng ke dumela gore le yone go tlhokafala tshwere constituency e tona go feta, e bile o fitlhela ba gore re bone gore e nna teng mo Molaomotheong, ke ya cover constituencies tse tharo tsa Mapalamente, mme gore Batswana e le batlhophi jaaka go ne go supiwa gore motho yo o ntseng jaana a se resourced Mr Speaker, re re sireletsa maikutlo a batlhophi, ba nne le dithata tsa to bo re re re tswa go rera le ene, ene a sa kgone go ya go recall a Member of Parliament (MP) le Councillor fa ba rera le batho, nnyaa tlhe Mr Speaker... dumela gore o dule mo tseleng. Re ka bo re baakanya MR SPEAKER: Honourable Reatile, e seng a le Molaomotheo gore batho ba dithata tsa bone ba nne resourced; a sa thusiwa ka ditlamelo tsa mosepele. O natso tsa gore jaanong ba kgone go netefatsa gore re go bue Setswana se se tlhamaletseng. Please! folosa setilo se re neng re se go pegile, re le Batswana ba re go tlhophileng, re tlaa ipatlela yo re ka mo romang. MR REATILE: Hallelujah! A sa thusiwa ka ditlamelo Gone mo fa re sireletsa maikutlo a batho Mr Speaker, ke Mr Speaker gore a tle a kgone gore jaanong a dire thomo gone fa re simololang teng. Ke yone a point of departure e Batswana ba mo e neetseng ka botswapelo. Ke gone ya go netefatsa gore re sisitletsa maikutlo a batlhophi. fa o bonang mathata a le teng jaanong re supa gore Constitution ga se ya Batswana, ke ya Gaborone. Ka Jaanong mo Mr Speaker, ga ke dumele tota gore a gore bao ba a bo ba tlile mo Gaborone, re rera le bone re ne re sekasekile gore mme thata e re e neelang mo Gaborone, mme fa ba tswa fa, ga ba kgone go ya go motlhophi, ke efe mo letsatsing la gompieno fa re re rera le ba ba romileng, e le Marara ba rera le Marara a re baakanya Molaomotheo. O kgona go bona gore re mangwe. Ga re kgone gore jaanong re bo re ba neela bua ka batlhophi tota mme re tsere dikgang fela. Ga se ditlamelo tsa gore ba ye go tswelela morero o nne teng. gore we are addressing mathata a bone ba a tshwereng. Ke gone fa ke reng Mr Speaker, tota re ka bo re re, re Mr Speaker, kwa dikgaolong ba a ikuela. Ke sone se rerile le ba boroba metso e mebedi fela ka gore bone ba o bonang gantsi o utlwa ke bua gore Tautona a itseele na le ditlamelo tsa gore ba ka dira jalo. Matona kwa ntle. Fa a tsere Matona mo Palamenteng, go felela gotwe ba latlhile dikgaolo. Ke sone se o Mr Speaker, ke bo ke supa gore kgang ya gore re bo re bonang nako le nako mo primary elections tsa BDP, re baakanya kgang ya ditlhopho ga e na le fa e le bothata latlhegelwa ke Matona a le mantsi ka mabaka a gore bope. O bona fa e ne e le gore re ne re e tsaya re e lebeletse they serve lefatshe and not constituencies. Gone mo gore re tshwanetse re tle ka dikgang tse gotweng bo mogopolong wa ga Honourable Majaga fa re ne re o direct election ya ga President, re bone gore Tautona diragatsa, re ne re tlaa kgona to save mapolotiki a motia o nna le lebokoso o a tlhophiwa, gompieno re fa re bua a a mo teng ga Ntlo e, ba ba yang go latlhegelwa ke ka gore Mma Kokorwe, Mopalamente wa Thamaga wa primary elections ka mabaka a thomo e ba e neetsweng nako eo, o ne a tlisa Tshutiso mo teng ga Ntlo e ya gore ke Tautona ya bo Minister. Ke gone fela fa e leng gore ...

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MR HIKUAMA: Clarification Mr Speaker. Ke a MR SALESHANDO: Ga o ka ke wa itlhophela go leboga Honourable Member. Honourable Member, a ko pagama sefofane, o bo o re o batla se tsamaya mo o mphitise fa, o bua ka go fetola molao wa tsamaiso seporong sa terena. Le rona re itlhophetse, go na le ditlhopho go letlelela dilo tse dingwe tse di ntsintsi ditsamaiso tsa ditlhopho Mr Speaker tse di gatelelang tse di tlhokagalang mo molaong. Jaanong potso ya me phathi. They emphasise a party. O itlhophela gore ke batla ke e, wena fa o lebile, re ntse re solofeditswe gore ka tsamaiso ya ditlhopho e e leng gore ba ba tlhophilweng, January re tlaabo re simolola lenaneo la go ribolola ga ba kgone go tswa, go tlhophilwe phathi. Ga go na Molaomotheo, se se gwetlhileng thata gore go tle le manganga gore tsamaiso eo ya ditlhopho ke efe. Gape Molao-kakanyetso o, ke eng? Ka o tshela le bone ka go na le ditsamaiso tsa ditlhopho tse di gatelelang koo, gongwe o ka tswa o utlwile gore se se tshwenyang bontlhopheng; candidates, di farologane. Re ngangisana thata ke eng? gompieno ka gore Domkrag ya re e batla tsamaiso ya ditlhopho e e gatelelang candidates. Tshwetso e, e sale MR REATILE: Honourable Hikuama, se se a diragala, e tswerwe ka 1965 mo Molaomotheong. Fa o ya go gongwe o ka bo o nthaya o re mowa o nkaeditse eng? lebelela gore Palamente e agiwa jang, o ya go fitlhela O se ka wa re ka gore ke tshela le bone. O ka bo o mo Section 58 ya Constitution ya rona, e bua gore nthaya o re legodimo le ntshenoletse eng? Legodimo motho o tlhophiwa jang. Section 58 Sub-section 2 (a) le ntshenolela gore Ditshutiso tse di tlaa tlang tsa e bua ka 57 elected members who shall be elected. Ga Molaomotheo, banna le basadi ba lefatshe le, ba santse e bue diphathi, Molaomotheo o bua ka candidate. Fa o ba tlile go lela ba le bantsi. Fa e ne e le gore re ya go tla ka tse ba tlang ka tsone, ga re ka ke ra boifa le fa e le tswa kwa Molaomotheong o ya kwa Electoral Act, fa serame sa phuphu gore re ye go baakanya Molaomotheo, go buiwang gore o emela jang ditlhopho, o go fitlhela re sa tshwara Constitution ka kgang ya floor-crossing. fa Section 35 go ya kwa go 47 ya Electoral Act. Gone Re e tshwarela gore go tlile go nna le an outcry mo foo, go tswa fela mo go Section 35 go ya kwa go 47 lefatsheng la Botswana ka fa re tlileng go tlisa melao ka lefoko ‘candidate’ appears 20 times. The Electoral teng. Ke sa tswa go go tlhalosetsa Honourable Member Act emphasises candidate. Political party gone mo go gore molao o, re tswa to benchmark it kwa Uganda and Section 35 go ya kwa go 47 appears ga one, go buiwa o tshwanetse o tlhaloganye gore go diragala eng kwa gore o tlhopha mebala ya phathi, o le mang; candidate. Uganda. Sone seo, ke sone se se tlelang lefatshe la Clearly ba ba neng ba dira Molaomotheo, ba ne ba Botswana. Ga re a tshwanela go tlhoka mafoko, re a ala, tsere tshwetso gore re batla tsamaiso ya ditlhopho e e re a baya fa pele ga Ntlo e. Manokonoko a puso ya batho gatelelang candidate e seng phathi. That is why fa o ya ka batho, re tsile go a bona re bo re a itse. Re bo re itse le kwa molaong wa Electoral Act, o fitlhela e gatelela gore ga go ope yo o neng a tswa kwa lefatsheng le sele candidate e seng phathi. Jaanong mo re go dirang a re a tlela, ke rona re a dirileng re le mo teng ga Ntlo gompieno, fa o ne o ka bitsa mongwe fela, a first year e re bofile dithai, re kgabile. Re tshwanelwa go tsaya student of Political Science, o ka gakgamalela gore go tshwetso ya gore re batla gore jaanong Molaomotheo e ka nna le debate gotwe go batliwa First Pass the Post e nne wa seresephate. Mr Speaker, I do submit. e gatelelang phathi. A mo Botswana ga ba itse gore fa o batla mo go gatelelang phathi, o ya kwa tsamaisong MR SALESHANDO (MAUN WEST): Thank you Mr e sele e e bidiwang Proportional Representation e go Speaker. Ke kile ka bolelela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa senang manganga. Fa o kgaogana le phathi, setilo se ile. Palamente, ra dumalana gore fa ke bua go le go leele, Jaanong gompieno Domkrag e re bolelela gore e batla ke palelwa ke go bua ke rwele mask. Ke tsaya gore ke high heels, mme e batla gore ditlhako tseo, e bo e kgona tlaabo ke itshireleditse ka gore gape yo ke bapang le ene, go taboga 100 metres. Ga go tsamaelane. ga a yo. Ke batla go akgela kgang e, ke e tsaya ka ntlha e sele. Ke nnile le lesego la gore mo go tseneng sekole, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... ke ne ka tsena classes tse di neng di ruta ka tsamaiso ya ditlhopho. E supa gore go tlhopha tsamaiso ya MR SALESHANDO: Go na le botlhoka-boammaaruri ditlhopho; electoral system, go tshwana fela le fa gotwe ka fa Mapalamente ba buang ka teng. Mopalamente wa o ya Francistown, a o batla go tsamaya ka sefofane kana Francistown, Billy Buti, o a gakologelwa maabane o re ka terena. Ga o ka ke wa itlhophela go pagama sefofane, nnyaa kana ... o bo o re mme o batla sefofane se se tsamayang mo seporong sa terena. Ke tsaya gore re mmogo. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga re mmogo. DEVELOPMENT (MR BILLY): Point of order Mr

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Speaker. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke kopa gore fa sebaka, jaanong he just truncated it, and he did not the Leader of Opposition a mpitse Buti Billy, not Billy conclude, a simolola a a fa tlhaloso ka selo se a neng a Buti. sa se wetsa. Ke a leboga.

MR SALESHANDO: My apologies. Honourable MR SPEAKER: I could not have agreed with you Buti Billy for Francistown, o ne a re go na le mafatshe Honourable Minister. I thought he was just only on an a a tsamaisang jaaka re batla go tsamaisa. Fa o tswa o insertion, but Honourable Leader of the Opposition. latlhegelwa ke seat, a bo a a fa dikai tsa Namibia, a itse gore kwa Namibia ga go dirisiwe system ya First Past MR SALESHANDO: Okay, let me read the entire quotation. “Jaanong fa o lebelela mo Commonwealth the Post go dirisiwa proportional representation. Ke go Madam Speaker, mafatshe a mantsi a Commonwealth leka go timetsa. Ke batla gore mo go mo baakanyeng, e le rona re leng mo go yone, go simolola fela ka gape ke mo fe sekai se se neng sa buiwa ke… Ka gore Ennyelane, Australia le Canada, ba letlelela selo se.” molao o ga se la ntlha o buiwa, it was debated ka 2011. ‘Selo se’ a raya floor crossing. “Mature democracies Ke ya to quote se se neng sa buiwa ke Honourable ba letlelela floor crossing. Tumelo ya me ke gore ga se Fidelis Molao, yo nako eo, a neng a gana a re ga a tlholo ntsha gore batho ba tswe mo phathing ba tsene dumalane le gore batho ba ka kganelwa to cross. kwa go e nngwe.” Fa o bala the entire presentation, Honourable Fidelis Molao o ne a gana gore go ka HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… kganelwa floor crossing ka gore ke tsamaiso; e bile a e tlhalosa sentle gore ke ya mafatshe a Commonwealth MR SALESHANDO: Maabane fa o letse a di balolola ba ba dirisang first-past-the-post; mature democracies. ka fa a bonang go siame ka teng to cross. Re na le Clearly, Fidelis wa 2011 fa a ka kopana le wa 2020, go Mapalamente a e leng gore fa a le kwa backbench o a go tuka molelo. mo raya o re, envelop e, e ntse jang a re e tshweu, fa a dirwa a Minister gotwe envelop e, e ntse jang o reetsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Mr Speaker. gore boeteledipele jwa reng. Fa gotwe e ntsho a re e ntsho, a bo a re go siame fela. Ke batla to quote with MR SPEAKER: Before you speak Honourable your permission gore o ne a reng Honourable Molao. Member for Sefhare-Ramokgonami, I was just going to remind the Honourable Leader of the Opposition to put MR SPEAKER: Please do quote Honourable Leader on his mask. He is the only one who puts on his shield. of Opposition. Honourable Member for Sefhare-Ramokgonami, you have been given a slot. Is it not? He yielded for you. The MR SALESHANDO: Ke ka ngwaga wa 2011, a re, Honourable Leader of the Opposition yielded for you. “jaanong fa o lebeletse mo Commonwealth, ke mafatshe a a neng a busiwa ke Mmamosadinyana. Mr Speaker, DR GOBOTSWANG: Elucidation. Ke a leboga Mr mathata a Commonwealth a leng teng kana le rona re Speaker. It has been taken because ke ne ke re ke a go mo go one, go simolola fela ka Ennyelane, Australia botsa Honourable Leader of the Opposition (LOO), gore le Canada, ba letlelela selo se.” Mature democracies o a mme Honourable Molao wa 2011, e ka re a rakana le raya Ennyelane, Australia le Canada, ba letlelela floor- Honourable Molao wa 2020, a o ka mo lemoga? Ke a crossing. “Tumelo ya me ke gore, ga se selo se se…” leboga. well, font ga e bonale sentle. Se a neng a se bua ke gore, mafatshe a a tlhabologileng mo Pusong ya democracy, HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… ba letlelela floor-crossing. A gakgamalela Domkrag MR SALESHANDO: Nnyaa, ga a ka ke a mo lemoga, nako eo gore e tswa kae e kganela floor-crossing mo mme e bile ke dumela gore go ka nna le ntwa fa gare first process, that is the point he was making. ga bone fa ba ka tsaya kgang e ya floor crossing ba e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. lebisanya.

MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Mr Speaker. COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): On a point MR SALESHANDO: I will yield for Honourable of procedure. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Kana jaanong Molao wa 2020. the Honourable Leader of the Opposition truncated a quotation a bo a simolola a dira tlhaloso. I do not think MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR it is proper and right. He asked to quote, mme wa mo MOLAO): Elucidation. Mr Speaker, ga ke na le fa e le

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bothata gore Honourable LOO a bo a nopola mafoko a ka mabaka a a farologaneng a laolwa ke gore o bona a ke a buileng ka nako eo. Clearly, gore ke mo a tlhalosetse reeditswe ke bomang. le go feta, ke gone gore se ke se buileng ka nako eo, the circumstances were not the same as now. Kgang e re MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR neng re e ngongoregela nako eo, ka fa molao wa nako MOLAO): On a point of order Mr Speaker. Ke a eo o neng o dirilwe ka teng, o ne o na le clause ya gore leboga Mr Speaker. I still insist gore ga ke na mathata fa o kobiwa mo phathing, o latlhegelwa ke boPalamente le go nopolwa, but mathata ke fa jaanong go nopolwa kana bokhanselara jwa gago. That is what I queried. Le selectively out of context. Ke buile fa maabane e le maloba one o fa o simolola o kwalolola, ke bue gore gore go a ganediwa, re ka ema ra ya go tsaya Hansard kwa re neng re kopane teng at Caucus and at Cabinet, I ya maabane, ya tla ya balwa fa gore ke buile ke reng. still raised the same gore fa o na le clause ya gore fa o Clearly, maabane ke rile research has shown gore yes, kobiwa o latlhegelwa ke maemo, I have a problem. go tlhophiwa phathi, and because he is quoting me out of context ka bomo, jaanong o latlha setšhaba. It cannot MR SPEAKER: You are on borrowed time Honourable pass on like that. Minister, do not eat on his time. MR SPEAKER: Please go to the point that you are MR MOLAO: Jaanong ke sone se ke neng ke batla go querying Honourable Minister. se tlhalosa gore ga go a fetoga sepe…. MR MOLAO: Kgang e ke neng ke e bua ke gore, phathi MR SALESHANDO: Thank you Mr Speaker… e a tlhophiwa, e bile research has shown gore bokete jwa batlhophi ba tlhopha phathi. Wena as a candidate, MR SPEAKER: We cannot have both of you standing. batho ba re ka ba bitsang re re the swing voters, ba tla MR MOLAO: …mme fela circumstances have now ba go tlaleletsa fa godimo ga se phathi e se go neelang. changed. That is what I said maabane. I did not discount… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Murmurs)… MR SALESHANDO: Yes. Thank you Mr Speaker. I was clear on the section I was quoting. Ke ne ke mo MR MOLAO: Didimala… nopola a sa bue ka fa o kobilwe, a bua ka tsamaiso ya MR SPEAKER: You are on borrowed time. First Past the Post mo Commonwealth. Legale, go mo gakolola gape, it was not the only point. Maabane Rre MR MOLAO: Ee, I did not discount the fact ya gore Fidelis Molao o ne o gatelela gore kana golo fa o dumela motho le ene o na le ditlhopho tsa gagwe tse a di tlisang, gore bontsi jwa batho fa ba tlhopha, ba a bo ba sa le phathi e na le ditlhopho tsa yone tse e di tlisang. It is a tlhophe candidate, ba a bo ba tlhopha phathi. Ke Fidelis fact; I said it, and I still say it now. Ga ke itse gore gatwe wa 2020. Tlaa ke go balele gore wa 2011 o ne a reng. mathata a fa kae. I want to give him a second quotation, mme e tlaa nna HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jaanong point of order? ya bofelo. A re, “kgang e e ntseng e buiwa gore re itse gore go tlhophiwa phathi, re a itse gore go tlhophiwa ka MR MOLAO: Nnyaa, he must quote me sentle. symbol ya phathi, mme mo godimo ga moo, le ene motho yoo o a tlhophiwa. Ke sone o bona le mo dikgaolong MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Yes, he stood on a point tse go neng gotwe nnyaa, fa ke stronghold sa phathi, e of order, and I have to give a ruling. I have heard much of re o tsaya candidate yo mongwe o sele, phathi e bo e his submission being a point of correction rather than on kgona gore e jewe ke ditlhopho. Moo go supa gore yoo a point of order. Honourable Leader of the Opposition! batlhophi ga ba mmatle le phathi e a neng a ntse a le MR SALESHANDO: O a mo thusa gore e se ka ya nna mo go yone.” A bolelela ruri ka gore batho ba a tle ba point of order ka gore fa e ne e ka nna point of order, ke tlhophiwe ka diphathi, e re ba sena go tlhokafala, ke e fa ne ke tlaa tsoga ke tlisa mekwalo ya ga Fidelis wa 2020 e le sekai, Modimo o sena go ba itseela, go bo go nna le ka fa a ganetsanang ka teng ka mashetla le wa 2011. by-election mme phathi e bo e latlhegelwa ka gore golo Jaanong ka wa 2011 ga a yo fa, tlaa ke fetele kwa pele. foo go ne go sa tlhophiwe phathi. Ke mabaka a a neng a ntshiwa ke Fidelis Molao wa 2011. Wa 2020 Fidelis Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo, diphathi di kgona go fetoga. Molao a re nnyaa, go tlhophiwa phathi. Ga ke itse gore Ke ne ka nna mo Palamenteng e fa Mokwaledi Mogolo ke Mandela yo a reng o tshabe moeteledipele yo o tlang wa phathi ya Domkrag wa nako eo yo go neng gotwe

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Spencer Rammidi a ne a nna le mathata a gore phathi General ga a ise a go bolelele ka o seegetswe fa thoko. ya gagwe e ne e fetogetse ditsholofetso tsa go sireletsa Go a hudugiwa. babereki. A na le mathata a matona gore jaanong phathi ya gagwe e batla mongwe le mongwe le essential service HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of correction. e thulanya dikeletso tse a neng a emetse ditlhopho ka MR SALESHANDO: Ga ke e amogele jaanong kana e tsone le batlhophi. Se se buiwang ke gore, fa go ntse tšhaile, o tseetswe nako ke ba ba ka bong ba ile go bala jalo, o borolale fela, ga go na se o ka se dirang, le Jobe 13:5. batlhophi ba bona gore dilo tse o neng o di ba solofetsa, phathi e di fetogetse. Boammaaruri ke jo; fa Motswana a etle a bue a re motseto o fapogile, Domkrag e ikgabetsa ka Constitution. Ga Jaaka le gompieno jaana, badiragatsi ba ba neng ba ba direle setšhaba sentle, mo go bone Constitution opelela Domkrag e tsena mo lenyalong la ditlhopho, ba ke tshega e e reng go le thata ba bo ba taboga ba ya lela sa ga Ragele ka gore phathi e ba fetogetse. Diphathi gore o kae Molaomotheo, ga re a ikatega jaaka Atamo di a fetoga, mme ga re a tshwanela gore under First Past a ne a fitlhelwa mo tshimong. MaDomkrag, ga lea the Post, fa phathi e fetogile, o kganele candidate gore a tshwanela go itlwaetsa go dirisa Molaomotheo ka tsela re nnyaa, fa ga ke dumalane le lona. Look at this, molao e e ntseng jaana. Ke belaela gore Rre Reatile o bolela o o tlisitswe fa lantlha ka 2011, o ne o tlisiwa ka gore boammaaruri fa a re dikgolo di ya go tla ka nako ya fa BDP e ne e latlhegelwa ke maloko ba ya kwa BMD. go baakanngwa Constitution. O ne o le teng Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo fa ba bangwe ba re ba kopa gore go se ka Gompieno Secretary General wa BDP fa o bona a seyo ga duwa bosigo, fa bogogi bo gana, ba ne ba bona gore fa, letsatsi le letsatsi o busy o amogela makwalo a batho ba tlhophe with their seats fa ba ne ba siela kwa ntle. ba tlogela phathi ya Domkrag. Go tabogiwa gape ka Akanya gore fa go ne go tswetswe lebati le jaaka gotwe molao, e bile gatwe fa re sa fetes, re lale fa bosigo re o re tswalele batho mo diphathing, ba ka bo ba ile kae? Go fetise ka gore Domkrag e lapile… setse fela ba ba neng ba setse jaaka Honourable Reatile a beetswe fa thoko, kwa West Africa ba re a dead goat MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, fears no knife (podi e e suleng ga e tshabe thipa). Ke SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR sone se o bonang a bua jaaka a bua ka gore hearing RAKGARE): Point of order. Thank you very much. Mr e setse e beilwe. Ba bangwe ba mo mathateng a gore Speaker, Honourable Balopi o mo tirong ya Puso, ga a fa ba itswalela mo phathing, le itsenya mo mathateng ya go amogela makwalo a ga ope yo o tswang gope. Ke a a seng kana ka sepe. The question that has not been kopa o busetse Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Diphathi answered remains. Fa e le gore golo mo go a tshwenya, tsa Kganetso mo tseleng. Ke a leboga. gakere ra re re ya go lebelela Molaomotheo ka January, MR SPEAKER: It is going to become very difficult a le raya gore 30 days ke ene yo le tabogileng le ene for me because he did not say anything to me when he fela gore e ga e ka ke ya emela Constitutional review went away, I was not even sure he is not in Parliament, because we need go lebelela not only the Constitution, but in short, I do not know where Honourable Balopi is. but le melao e e tsamaisang ditlhopho jaaka ke bua. Honourable Leader of the Opposition, fa e le gore o ne Go tlhalosetsa Batswana gore fa le batla tsamaiso ya o hapaantse mafoko rra, a tlhamalatse. ditlhopho e seats di tshwarwang ke phathi, a re fetoleng Section 58 ya Constitution e e reng go tlaa tla batho MR SALESHANDO: Honourable Rakgare, ga go na ba ba tlhophilweng, e ntshe elected representatives, point of order. Ke rile o ye go bala Jobe 13:5. Ke a bona jaanong e bue ka party representatives. Ke sone se re gore e thata gore o e bale, ke tlaa go rekela Baebele tshwanetseng go se dira. E bo e re when launching, re fa o sena yone for Christmas, o ye go ithuta gore go tswe on printing sekipa o re “ke le Kwape ke ne ke kopa didimala dinako tse dingwe go supa botlhale. Makwalo go le ntlhophe,” re beye symbol ya jeke fela, re ntshe a Honourable Balopi a a amogelang letsatsi le letsatsi, sefatlhego sa gago mo teng. Go se ka gatwe a candidate re a bona rotlhe mo social media. Kwa dikgaolong tsa is being launched, gotwe a party is being launched. Le a bo Fidelis… itse gore ke tsamaiso e re tsamaisang ka yone, a party is not launched, rather a candidate. Ga go na ope wa bone HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of correction. yo e reng a ipapatsa a bo a kwala phathi fela, o tsenya MR SALESHANDO: …go tsamailwe. Rre Majaga, sefatlhego sa gagwe gore go tewa nna fa gotwe go a yo mongwe o ne a tsamaya beke e, gongwe Secretary tlhophiwa mo kgaolong e.

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A re bueng boammaaruri, re lese go gogomosa Batswana HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… maikutlo re re ba a hutsafala fa ba bona motho a le mo phathing e sele. E bile go bo go bua le ba ba gannweng MR SPEAKER: Gakere ka setho ngwana wa ga ke Batswana, ga ke itse gore a ba tsaya gore Batswana nkgonne ke Mapalamente. It is up to you sir. ga ba hutsafale ba mmona a le mo Palamenteng mme ba MR SALESHANDO: Ka wa mo rapelela, a ke mo fe mo ganne ka ditlhopho. Boitimokanyi jwa teng ke jwa sebaka Mr Speaker. maemo a ntlha gore batho ba ile ditlhophong ba botswa gore a le yo le a mmatla kwa Palamenteng, mme ba a ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL fa karabo ya gore e seng yoo, re batla Rre Mathoothe. GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT Fa go ikanisiwa, go bo go ikanisiwa ene yo o neng a sa (MR AUTLWETSE): Clarification. Ke a leboga batliwe pele ga ga Mathoothe. Roy Sesana o ne a na le motlotlegi morago ga go itsetsepela, o ne wa ntetlelela expression e a neng a tle a e dirise, a re motho o a bo a gore ke tle ke botse sengwe. Ke botse fa nnaka; fa e le tsamaiwa ke badimo. Ga ke itse gore go ne go tewa eng, gore go tlhoka le go fenya… mme ke belaela go tsamaelana le sone se. Re bua ka MR SPEAKER: O re o botse go reng? amendment ya Constitution, e e leng gore bo Specially Elected ga ba e go letlelelwa go tlhopha. Jaanong Rre MR AUTLWETSE: Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Autlwetse, I was going to yield for you… Diphathi tsa Kganetso, ke ne ke re ke botse fa nnaka gore fa e le gore… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR SPEAKER: That is the word I was trying to listen MR SALESHANDO: …fa e ne e le gore kgang e le to very attentively. yone o ya go nna le seabe mo go tlhopheng. MR AUTLWETSE: I beg to withdraw that word. MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought. MR SALESHANDO: Nnyaa, go tlaabo go tshwana MR SPEAKER: Honourable! fela le fa re ka kopa ba security kwa gore a le bone ba MR AUTLWETSE: Nako ya gagwe Mr Speaker. Ke kopa ditlhaloso. Explanation ya ga Rre Autlwetse ga e ne ke re ke botse fa motlotlegi; fa e le gore go tlhoka ka ke ya re thusa ka sepe, Molaomotheo wa re fa go go fenya ditlhopho ke sebe, o tsaya jang ka yo e rileng tsena dikgang tse a didimale, a se ka a tlhopha le rona. a sena go fenngwa mo Gaborone, a bo a tlelwa ke Ene le ba bangwe bo Specially Elected bo Mme Serame, tlhaloganyo ya gore a sie a ye go ema go sele kgakala, ba re patile fela, Molaomotheo wa re ba se ka ba nna le kwa a iseng a latlhegelwe kwa go bone… seabe mo go tlhopheng mo go yone. Ke ka bo ke mo fa sebaka, jaanong mathata ke gore ke tlaabo ke tsuulola MR SPEAKER: Quickly Honourable Member, he has Molaomotheo fa ke ka mo letlelela. no time.

Ke batla go tlhagisa maDomkrag ba ba tsayang gore fa MR AUTLWETSE: …a gopola gore goora motho go bogogi bo buile… thebe phatshwa, kana e seng jalo a tlelwa ke tlhaloganyo ya gore a e go tsietsa bale… MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Order Honourable Leader of the House, I shall have to ask the Parliamentary MR SPEAKER: You are on borrowed time Honourable Counsel (PC) for some assistance. Does it really say Minister. they should not take part or they should not vote? MR SALESHANDO: Yes Mr Speaker, his point has HONOURABLE MEMBER: Vote. been made. Fa e ne e le go huduga mo toropong o ya gae ke molato, le ka bo le atlhotse rraagwe Kagiso Mmusi MR SPEAKER: They do not vote. It means there is nako ya fa a sena go fenngwa ke Kenneth Koma, a ba nothing that stops them from interjecting. a rwala dibeke a ya gae. E anya e leletse e ruta e e mo MR SALESHANDO: Ee, jaanong re tlaabo re bua maleng. Ga se mathata moo, e bile ga se botlhodi. My kgang le batho ba e leng gore fa re e atlhola, ba tlaabo warning to maDomkrag, fa e le gore le tlhophela molao ba sena seabe. Ke sone se ke se buang ke re go raya gore o go o fetisa, go na le mo Makgoa ba a tleng ba re you le mokgweetsi wa me o ka tla go nna fa thoko fale a are behaving like a turkey that is voting for an early nthaya a re ke mo tlhalosetse. Christmas. Le ya go tlhabiwa, le tlhophela Christmas

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gore e tsene ka bonako le ntse le itse gore selepe se le HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... emetse, ba le ka photshang, photshang nako e le teng. Ke a leboga. MR MAJAGA: Le Motlotlegi Moswaane yo o siileng, e etle e buege thata, e bile e buiwa ke bangwe ba ba mo HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Applause!)... Ntlong e. Letsatsi leno ke batla gore ke e bue straight! MR MAJAGA (NATA-GWETA): Ke a leboga live! Batho, ga re na mathata le maemo, re Mapalamente Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ga ke na go nna a lefatshe la Botswana, e bile re tlaa tswelela fa batho le mafoko a le mantsi mo Tshutisong e ka mabaka ame, ba re romile re le Mapalamente. Ke ne ke e tle ke bue ka gore kwa kgaolong ba mpitsa Jobe, mme ke ema ke re ga go ke go kwalwa interview ya bo Minister mogopolo o nokeng wholeheartedly. Ke bo ke tswelela of Transport, jwa tsala ya me Honourable Segokgo, ke re ... nnyaa, ga go ke go dirwa jalo. E a bo e le dithata tsa ga Tautona mo Molaomotheong gore, he can choose HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... whoever he wants. Jaanong go na le kgang e e leng gore MR SPEAKER: Buelang kwa tlase batlotlegi. gantsi o fitlhela o kare go na le lekgobo mo go rona, mme re dirile Puso tse pedi. Gotwe nnyaa, gongwe ba MR MAJAGA: Motion o wa ga Tona, o bua ka rona, batla maemo, gongwe ba tenegile, re tenwa ke eng? re a ipua mo Ntlong e. Fa o o lebile o thata, o ka nna conflicted, mme go se phoso, ka gore ke Molaomotheo, o HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR dirile gore go nne jalo, jaaka re e tle re batle ditshwanelo TSOGWANE): Point of elucidation. Ke tle ke gatelele tsa rona, Dikgosi le Baatlhodibagolo re di buela mo kgang ya gago motlotlegi, o bo o e gatelele motlotlegi gore go diragala gantsi gore batho ba kgone gore Ntlong e, ka gore Molaomotheo o ne wa supa jalo. Ke bangwe ba tsene in this team, e re gongwe nako e ise tlaa tsamaya ke ntse ke bua ka sepolotiki kana eng, mme tšhaye kana nako mang, ba tswe ba boele kwa morago. ke sa kgome ope, ke sa lwe le ope. Ke leke go tlhalosa Jaaka ke ne ka ya kwa pele, ka ba ka boela kwa morago, fela ke papametse gore, ga ke ise ke nne le mathata le ka ba ka ya kwa pele. E bile dipampiri interviewed me Tautona Dr Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi... ka nako ya teng ke le kwa morago, ba re Rre Khama o go tlogetse. Ke ba reile ka re, bona, Rre Khama o MR SPEAKER: Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona! na le dithata le gore mo nakong e, a bope team efe e MR MAJAGA: Ka rialo, ke tsentse lefoko la Doctor, a batlang go bereka le yone, mme o ne a tla a ntsenya la title e tona... gape. Jaanong ke gone mo o go rayang gore, tota ga le ka ke la tsena lotlhe ka nako e nngwefela, gape bangwe HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... ba tlaa tsena, ba bangwe ga ba na go tsena. Jaanong moo MR MAJAGA: Le le fetang rraetsho. So ga ke ise ke go dirisiwa gore... nne le mathata le ene, e bile ga ke na go nna le mathata HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Interruptions!)... le ene. Ba ba dirang mathata ao mo go ene le nna, a ba tswelele ba a dire, Modimo o tlaa nna a na le bone. MR SPEAKER: May we have order please! Ke batla go bua kgang eo ke papametse ka gore, e rile MR TSOGWANE: Jaaka o utlwa ba tsositse modumo, maloba ka 2014, setšhaba ka bontsi se ne se le kwa go ke sone se se sa batliweng ke setšhaba kwa ntle, bo Rre Motlotlegi Khama, bangwe re ne re le kwa go ene. E rile Boko, motho a sa tsenya le fa e le mask, a gasa bolwetse re dira Puso ka 2019, kana re dirile ele ya ga Khama, ra ka bomo mo Palamenteng. Ke a leboga. tla ra dira ya gagwe, we endorsed people. Rre Masisi e rile a tsaya puso, setšhaba sele se sengwe se se neng MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Leader of the House, ke se le kwa, ke raya batho kwa ntle, le baeteledipele re... Mapalamente ba ba neng ba tlile ka dikgaolo, ba bo ba taboga botlhe ba ya kwa go Tautona yo mosha, MR BOKO: Point of order. Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re Tautona Masisi. Go ne go sena mathata ka gore he is a Motlotlegi Mothusa Tautona Honourable Tsogwane, fa leader. Jaanong kgang e ke batlang gore ke e tlhalose gongwe e re a le mo Ntlong e, a tlhaloganye gore re na le ke gore, go na le kgang e e etleng e buege go buiwa ka go mo fa tlotlo ka lebaka la dingwaga tse a di ntseng mo nna le Motlotlegi Kablay le Motlotlegi Reatile who is Ntlong e, le ntswa ke nyatsa botlhale jwa gagwe, mme suspended, kana nna ke kae... ke tlotla fela gore o motona...

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HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... go mmuisa ka fa ke mmuisang ka teng, gongwe o tla emisa go dira dilo tse a di dirang. O motona, go na le ka MR BOKO: Ke re fa gongwe e re a re buisa, a nne a fa a tshwanetseng gore a itshware ka teng re tle re kgone tlhopha mafoko. Fa a simolola a mpuisa mafoko a gore go kopa mo go ene. He has been here for over 20 years ke gasa bolwetse mo Palamenteng, ke tsaya gore ga a and he does not show gore he has been here for over 20 mpuise sentle. Ke re gongwe a boele mafoko a teng years. I still stand gore ke nyatsa botlhale jwa gagwe. kwa morago, ka gore at that time ke ne ke rwele mask. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke kopa gore a boele mafoko a teng kwa morago Mr Speaker. Ke nyatsa botlhale jwa gagwe ga ke gane, le MR TSOGWANE: Point of procedure. Ga ke na mongwe le mongwe o a bo nyatsa, mme ke mo tlotla bothata le go nyadiwa botlhale ke Rre Boko, gotlhelele! fela ka gore ke motho yo motona, ke kopa gore a boele eo ke tlhaloganyo ya gagwe, o ka nnyatsa go fitlhela mafoko a teng morago. Ke a ikokobetsa. fa a nyatsang teng, ga ke na bothata le se a se buang. Jaanong ke a mo gakolola and I will continue go gakolola HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... mongwe le mongwe yo e leng gore ga a rwale mask, MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Let us have order gore a tlogele go sa rwala mask, ka gore go dira jalo ke please. I think the reason why we are all on masks is go gasa bolwetse. Fa e le gore o ganetsanya le that thing, that re se ka ra gasa bolwetse, kana re se ka ra tsenwa go tswa mo go ene. He will tell Batswana outside there ke bolwetse. That is the main message behind it, ga go gore fa gotwe go rwale masks moo ke matshamekwane, tlhapatse ope. What I will plead with your good self ga se gore go a bo go tlhoafetswe, e bile ga se molao, ga Honourable Member for Mahalapye East, I personally se tsamaiso. So I do not have any problem, o ka nyatsa, find it very disrespectful to say, “ke nyatsa botlhale jwa wa roga ka fa o ratang ka teng. Jaaka o bua o re, “susu gagwe” to motho wa seemo sa ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho ilela suswane, gore suswane a tle a go ilele,” ga ke itse Mothusa Tautona, ka segarona fela ka Setswana... gore ke go tlhapaditse ka eng, but it is up to you, I will leave everything to you. O ka roga kana wa reng, ga ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Interruptions!)... na mathata le wena, but I will remind you where you are MR SPEAKER: May we have order please! I am not doing right. standing and I am making a ruling... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: I was just about to say the discussion MR SPEAKER: May we have order please! Motho on the matter that His Honour the Vice President was wa seemo sa ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mothusa Tautona responding to Honourable Boko is shut; it is closed. ka Setswana fela, ka tlotlo, gore o bo o re “ke nyatsa MR MOTSAMAI: Point of order. Mr Speaker, a e nne botlhale jwa gagwe,” ga se segarona bagaetsho. Gongwe modiga Motlotlegi Boko le Motlotlegi Vice President. Sekgoa go ka tswa go sena molato, mme ka Setswana Ke bo ke supa fela gore Mr Speaker… go molato and I would really pray gore, please a re buisanyeng sentle, more especially to motho wa seemo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister Mmusi, sa ga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Mothusa Tautona. Tota fela Standing Order 58.4 says, “when another Member is ka bo lona ke kopa gore le buisanye sentle, please! and on the floor others must be silent and should not make I am saying please! unseemly interruption.”

MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker, ke bo ke supa gore tsa Palamente. Ke a leboga... gongwe ga re tshwane. Fa o nkgakolola ka go nkgobotla fa gongwe ke e tsaya e se kgakololo e e siameng. MR BOKO: Point of order. Mr Speaker, Setswana Jaanong Mothusa Tautona o na le gore gongwe le fa a se ke se badileng kwa ke se badileng teng, se ile sa gakolola sentle, mme o fitlhela a tletse dikgobotlo tse nthuta gape gore gatwe, “susu o tshwanetse go ilela di fetang selekanyo. A a fokotse go kgobotla. O ka dira suswane.” So there is no how we are going to give the jalo o ka nkgobotla, ga go reye sepe, mme ba bangwe, Vice President respect a sa kgone go re tlotla. Fa a bua fokotsang go kgobotla bana Mothusa Tautona gore go se mafoko a re ke tlaa gasa bolwetse, e bile ga se lantlha, I ka ga nna le seemo se re mo go sone Mr Speaker. think o romilwe gore a tle go tlhasela nna dinako tsotlhe mo Palamenteng. I do not like that. That is why ke batla MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, thank you very

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much. You have made your point. dinako tsotlhe. You will remember Mr Speaker gore le maloba… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi, I have made a MR SPEAKER: May we have order please. Honourable ruling on that issue... Majaga. MR MMOLOTSI: Le maloba fa Mothusa Tautona a MR MAJAGA: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo nthaya a re susu… tsa Palamente. O kare ke tlaa tswa mo timing jaaka dikoloi tsa bogologolo... MR SPEAKER: Please sit down Honourable Mmolotsi. I have made a ruling on that issue and I do not want it MR MMOLOTSI: Procedure Mr Speaker. Ke a resuscitated. leboga… MR MAJAGA: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, please resume santse ke tlhalosa gore ga ke na mathata le ope, e bile your seat. ga ke ka ke ka nna le mathata le ope ka gore rotlhe fa re Batswana mo Ntlong e. Bangwe maabane ba ne ba le HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… kwa phathing e, kamoso ba ka kwa. You would not know what is going to happen tomorrow or in the future. Ke MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga… tshwanetse go bua kgang e ka gore o fitlhela batho ba MR MAJAGA: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa na le mathata le ba bangwe, mme re le masika ka kwa Palamente… le ka kwano. To debate issues; to agree and to disagree is not a problem. Mongwe le mongwe o a bo a tla ka MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Just resume your seat lentle la gagwe gore monalentle a tle a le tswe. Batsadi, Honourable Mmolotsi. Bagaetsho, we are in Parliament. re tshwanetse go nna jalo. Respect ke yone konokono Please sit down Honourable Majaga and switch off your ya sengwe le sengwe. Ke yone e ke neng ke tlhalosa fa microphone. Bagaetsho, may we have order, please. ke santse ke wela gore ga ke ise ke nne le mathata le We ought to be very respectable men and women. Tautona, ba ba a dirang a ba tswelele, Modimo o tlaa ba Honourable Members of Parliament, let us show our okeletsa. Bangwe re itse gore ba tsene jang jaaka ke ne honourability. Honourable Mmolotsi. ke bua gore o kgona go ya kwa le kwa. Mongwe o ne a santse a ipua gore o tsamaile jang, e le champion. So, it MR MMOLOTSI: Thank you very much… is life and nobody knows. MR MAJAGA: No, Mr Speaker… Ke ne ke ntse ke lebelela fa gore mo Palamenteng e ke MR SPEAKER: He stood on a point of order. We dingwaga di kae, ke fitlhetse ke le bo 46; gone foo. Ke bo cannot stop points of order. ke lebelela gore fa e le gore ga ke ngale kana ditlhopho ga di ntseye sentle, ke ya go bereka le batho, o kare ke MR MAJAGA: No, at first it was procedure. You used santse ke na le 20 years yo ke ka emelang ditlhopho. to ask people whether granted permission or not. That Gongwe Modimo a nkakanya ka tla ka selwa ke ba is why I was confused a little bit gore what is going bangwe. So, it is life jaaka re kile ra bona go diragala. Fa on. I cannot be allowing procedure and elucidation time e le gore o lepolotiki tota o sa tla ka sebakanyana se se and again. My time is limited, I want to debate on this rileng, you must be there. matter. Ke buile lantlha ke tswelela ka Motion gore ke tlaa ya go MR SPEAKER: May we have order please. Honourable bua le sepolotiki mo teng ka gore Motion o o straight. Mmolotsi. Sengwe le sengwe se e leng gore fa o le a leader jaaka MR MMOLOTSI: Ga ke tlhaloganye gore gatwe Tautona wa lefatshe, fa o bona gore go na le sengwe mathata ke eng jaanong. Mr Speaker, point of procedure se gongwe o se belaelang kana se sa tsamaye sentle, e ke emang ka yone ke gore I think re gorogile mo you cannot govern lefatshe le gongwe o tshabang gore nakong e e siameng ya gore re kgone go lemoga gore kamoso batho ba tlaa tswa, your Government e bo e wa go buisana sentle le go dirisa mafoko a a siameng go (collapse). So, you must make stability. There is nothing sa kgathalesege gore mang ke mang mo Ntlong e, ke wrong. Mo go nna ga go na le fa e le mathata. Kana selo se re tshwanetseng go se ela tlhoko, re se dire ka fa o busa o le Tautona jaaka a ikanisitswe a tlhophiwa

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maloba a le nosi, everything relies on you now. Le wena to prison” because o emela ditlhopho, mme ga a na fa o bona go na le sengwe, o tshwanetse go tswa ka madi, go rileng. Ga ke eme ka yone gore it enshrines sengwe gore aa! seemo ke seo batho se o se bonang kana democracy. Re emetse democracy gore Constitution e ga o se bone. tle e baakanngwe.

Ga ke bone mathata a Motion o. A o a feta, kamoso Ke ne ka tla ka molao o o neng o buiwa ke Honourable Constitution is reviewed, I do not have any problem. Reggie Reatile, ke lebeletse gore Matona a rona Problem ya me ke ya gore batho ba bo ba tla ka maikutlo overwork; a ba itlhophelwe ke Tautona. Bangwe ba ne a bone gore, ke batla se. Fa se ka dirwa, I am happy ba gana. Ga ke itse gore a bangwe ba mo Ntlong e. O ka gore se diragetse kwa go nna. No, moo ke tumelo ne wa feta mme fa o fetile jaana, nako ya one e tlaa tla, gongwe o tlaa tsena mo Constitution. Ke ne ke lebeletse ya gago. Ga ke na mathata le Motion for the sake of gore Matona jaaka gompieno; Cabinet, kamoso Cabinet, stability. Mafatshe ka bontsi re ne re tlhola re utlwa kamoso kgaolo, kamoso eng. Ke ne ke lebeletse gore gore go tlhola go lowa, go diragetse jang, kamoso le oversight ke gone re tlaa tlalang mo dikomiting. Le ba bangwe ba a cross go bo gotwe Goromente o ole. Tautona ka gore ke ne ke kile ka tsamaya mafatshe ka Fa a santse a ole, kamoso ka kwa they cross. I do not bontsi ke bona gore go dirwa jang, o ne o sa tla ka lepe have mathata le one. Mathata fela e ne e le Clause e, fela le le neng le le kalo. Batho ke bone ba ba neng ba e e neng ya baakanngwa e go neng gotwe o a kobiwa. tla ba o dira ka lepe. Ga go molato, ke tlhalositse jalo ka Ke yone e ke neng ke na le mathata le yone, mme e gore bangwe re tsena ka by-elections, bangwe re tswa baakantswe. Ke ne ke ipotsa gore fa e le gore gatwe o kwa diphathing tsele. Ke democracy, as long as you tlaa kobiwa ke Tautona, mme a fentse ka 29 seats as per respect the laws of the country, there is nothing wrong. our Constitution gompieno a ne a sa tlhophiwa, ke gone fa ke neng ke nnile le mathata. Fa e le gore o a kobiwa Rona ba bogologolo, jaaka ke ne ke supa ka Kablay, re o bo o emela batho ba gago, ga ke na mathata le gone. na le go nna re ntse re tlhajwa ka mafoko, re sa itse gore gatwe re rileng. Nna fa ke sa dumalane le moeteledipele, Ga go na ka fa e leng gore we can disassociate ourselves whether ke Vice President (VP) or President, I tell him le party symbols. Ga ke ise ke dire Constitution e e reng straight. Fa e le gore ga a bone gore ke a mo gakolola Majaga. Le batho botlhe ba ba neng ba le ka kwa ba ne mo tshiamelong, go tlaa nna mo go ene. Ke a bo ke ba dirisa constitutions diphathi tsa teng. Fa ke ntse jaana, dira jalo, because I have been elected by the people if I try now ke re ke ya kwa kana I resign, everyone here and I made the seat e e mo dirileng gore a nne Tautona is committed because re mo konterakeng ya five years. kana Mothusa Tautona. That is how I do my things, ke Dilo tse dingwe fa re bua o kare re a di tshaba re re go sa tsene mo go tse dintsintsi. Ba ba tsenang le bone tlaa twe o ile kwa, o ile kwa. Ga ke itse ka ba bangwe ba tlaa tla ba tsena ba dira ga bone, because fa o ka gongwe ga ba na bana. People are committed. Fa o tswa tsamaya le tsone, ba paletswe bo Tautona wa pele, le bo gone fa o bo o re o ya go emela ditlhopho o sena madi Honourable Haskins le ba bangwe, kana go setse ba le jaaka bo Jagas, o ya go di emela ka eng gompieno? Re kae. Ba lekile fa ba lekileng teng, mme fela rona re batla tshwanetse go bua boammaaruri. Batswana, we are gore Batswana ba nne le tshiamelo. poor. We know gore batho ba ba humileng ke bomang mo lefatsheng le. Jaanong o ya go di emela ka eng Ga ke a ka ya re fa Motion o ke o ema nokeng ka mo constituency e e tswang mo Gaborone e ema kwa iphitlha, ka gore ga ke ise ke rerise batho ba Nata- Lecheng ya 300 kilometres apart jaaka nna, go sena Gweta. No, ga ke ise, I will be lying. Ke batho ba e leng phathi e e go thusang le ope yo o tlaa mo kopang? Batho gore ba dikgaolo dintsi, go na le settlements le Remote ba ba iseng ba nne le mathata, ba botse rona bo Jobe, ba Area Dwellers (RADs). Motho yo o neng a dumalana le ba nnang ba nna le mathata. Letsatsi le ba nnang le one, molao o, ke Kgosi wa Region ya Tutume Sub-District, bangwe ba tlaa wa ba idibala. Kgosi Rebagamang Rancholo, yo o kwa motseng wa Nata. Ke ene a neng a tla a dumalana le bangwe ka ene Se ke batlang go se bua ke gore ga go na ka fa re ka kwa Ntlong. Nna personally ga ke a ba rerisa. tshabang eo, rotlhe gone fa, a lot of us, ke sa itse ka gore gongwe batho ke bahumi, they have committed HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. themselves. Fa o tswa fela o ya gone kwa… dipampiri tsone di batla go rekisa gakere. Newspaper headlines; MR MAJAGA: Ke kile ka bua mo Ntlong e at one point “Majaga o gapetswe sengwe le sengwe,” “Majaga ke re, nnyaa, nna fa ke tsamaya, ga ke tsamaye bosigo.

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Ke tlaa go neela comrade. Ke kile ka bolelela bangwe dirwa tsela ya Nata-Gweta e e yang kwa Kasane, ga ke go ntse go tsogile dilo tse, ka gore ke Jobe ke motho yo bone go na le mathata. ke di bonang. Ke re, if I move from one party to another, I will go to the party President, whether ke mo nakong HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. ya gompieno, ke bo ke feta ke mo raya ke re, nna ke a MR MAJAGA: Se se leng teng fela ke gore, fa o tsamaya, ke ye kwa go bo malome kana New Jerusalem. kobilwe le batho ba tlaa bona gore o kobilwe gakere. Go ne ga tsoga lefoko leo la “New Jerusalem” nako Kana there are judges out there, rona re le mo Ntlong ya teng. Re ne re utlwa mo Palamenteng gore gatwe we are not judges, dikgang ka bontsi batho ba di itse go na le phathi e e dirwang, e bidiwa New Jerusalem. botoka. I still recall and remember it very well, because nna ga ke batle go tsamaya bosigo jaaka moloi, o kare ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further clarification. tlaabo ke tshaba sengwe. Ke ka tshaba batho fela ba ba ntlhophileng, le bone fa ba sa nthome la bobedi, ke tlaa MR MAJAGA: Le batho ba gotweng they are tla ke leka gape ka 2024 le 2029. Fa ke bereka le bone defecting kana Makhanselara, mongwe o ne a tla kwa sentle, bangwe ba tlaa nkutlwela botlhoko jaaka bangwe go nna a nthaya a re Makhanselara a gago a a tsamaya, ba ba kileng ba utlwelwa botlhoko. Bangwe gongwe ka re ee, wena o itse yo mongwefela, rona re sale re ba tlaa ntshela le nna ba nkise kwa bokhanselareng, itsile ka di 15 tsa ga October gore ba a tsamaya. O a jaaka bangwe ba ke ba boneng kwa kgaolong ya me e bona gore e ntse jang. Jaanong ga go na molato. Ka ba tladitse bokhanselara. Go tlaabo go sena molato, we bo ka re, gongwe go ne go emetswe mabaka a me, ka must be clear and straight, because dilo tse ke tsone tse gore batho ba ne ba batla gore ke ye kwa ke yang teng. di dirang gore batho ba nne le dikakanyo dingwe tse e Jaanong malatsinyana a, ba bona gore ke santse ke ntse seng tsone. fa, ke gone ba lekang gore jaanong ba ye kwa. Ga go na mathata, ka gore ke tlhalositse gore ke ya go nna a Jaanong, molao o wa ga Kabo Morwaeng, monna wa consultant, ba ba tlaa mphirang ba tlaa mphira, jaaka Mokwena wa maina a mantsi, kana Rakgare ke ene batho ba etle ba batle tenders. atleng a nthuse a mangwe, Neale Sechele, ga o na HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further clarification. mathata, a o fete, go tle Constitution le yone e fete re ye kwa pele. Ke sone se ke reng, ga ke batle go bua a le MR MAJAGA: Ba bangwe ba a di bona, ba bangwe ga mantsi ka gore ga ke a rerisa batho ba me. ba di bone, mme ba a tshela. Se ke batlang go se bua ke gore, melao e fetisitswe le maloba re le mo Pusong ele MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of clarification. Thank ya ga Tautona Khama, ya feta le bosigo. E mengwe ra e you very much Mr Speaker. Honourable Majaga, baakanya, e mengwe ya reng. Le one o, a o fete jaaka e gongwe o santse o le foo, o re tlhalosetse gore what is your position regarding kgang ya gore molao o kana wa mengwe e kile ya feta, e mengwe ke yone e re tshelang re fa o kobiwa ga o letlelelwe to join party e nngwe, ka yone fa. Ke nna ke neng ke le forefront mo allowances mme o kobilwe mo phathi eo. Ke gore o tlaabo o kobiwa tsa rona, e bile ga go a wela, re tshwanetse gore re tle o bo o nna independent fela foo. Ke eng o go kganela re e fetise gape ya allowances. Le Mapalamente ba ba gore ka ga ba go batle, o join ba bangwe? What is your seyong fa, ba sokola ba le kwa, ba bangwe ba nna ba position on that? dirwa Makhanselara jalojalo, re tshwanetse re tle re fetise molao o gore ba nne ba gopolwa kwa ba leng teng. MR MAJAGA: Ke a go utlwa Honourable Mmolotsi, Ke dingwe which still have to come to this House, and nna as long as ke emetse batho ba me. Fa gotwe there is nothing wrong. That is why ke ne ke re molao gompieno re Goromente, le fa o le an independent o, ke ya go o bua jalo; symbol ya phathi, stability sa candidate, a Councillor or Member of Parliament wa lefatshe le elections di tlaa nna di ntse di tla. UDC or AP, ditlhabololo tsa lefatshe la Botswana di tlaa ya ka Batswaneng, regardless. Le fa ke ntse jaana ke le Re a itse gompieno re a bidiwa, e bile nna ke ne ke sa Majaga, ka kobiwa ka nna independent, batho ba tlaa itse gore ke na le P500, gotwe re tle go tsaya madi a tshega le lefatshe le tlaa tshega gotwe ditlhabololo ga rona, a re neng re bechitse gore ke emela ditlhopho, ke di ye ka Nata-Gweta. That is my take, mme ditlhabololo tlaa fenya kana ke latlhegelwa. tsone di felela di ya kwa bathing, whether you are an HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nna ga ke bone receipt opposition member or not. Fa go dirwa bridge kwa, go ya me.

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MR MAJAGA: Ga o bone receipt, Reggie re tlaa go MR SPEAKER: Your time is up. Honourable Assistant batlela. Ke dilo tse di leng teng in life. Gape go tlhoka Minister for Basic Education! May you all sit down go dumalana le kutlwisiso e nngwefela, ga go na le fa e bagaetsho, I have identified the Honourable Assistant le mathata ape, botshelo jone ga bo na go ema. Re ya go Minister. Before you take your floor, I need to call upon tshela fela jaaka re ne re tlhola re tshela, botshelo bo bo the Learned Parliamentary Counsel to reflect on the bo ya kwa pele. Re tshwanetse re gakololane across the statement as submitted by the Honourable Leader of the divide, go sena le fa e le mathata ape. Motions di tlhola Opposition. di fetisiwa, letsatsi leno go kobiwa mo… ka go tulwe Tautona e rile… LEARNED PARLIAMENTARY COUNSEL (MS MOKGOSI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Honourable Members. Ke ne ke re ke tle ke tlhatswe kgang ele, gore e se ka ya re kamoso ka nako e go MR MAJAGA: …(Interruptions)… lefatshe le o tlaa tlaabong go tlhophelwa Bill e, e bo Batswana ba tsietsega le tsamaisa ka morero, e le gore ene o tlaa nna a koba ba ipotsa gore jaanong go diragala jang. Ke tlhalose fela mongwe le mongwe? Maloba go ne gotwe batho ba a gore, fa re lebeletse Section 89 ya Constitution, e e buang kobiwa, gotwe ba se ka ba bua, mo Pusong e e fetileng. ka fa Palamente e tshwanetseng ya fetisa Molaomotheo Le rona re ne re le mo go yone mo Pusong e e fetileng, ga when amended, thatathata re lebeletse mo Section 89 (3) re ise re ko re akanngwe. Letsatsi leno fa re sa akanngwe (ii), e balega jaana ke e quote Mr Speaker ka Sekgoa. le Kablay mo go e, mathata a teng ke eng? E simolola e re, I will go to the relevant subsection, “a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Bill for an Act of Parliament under this section shall MR MAJAGA: A ko le re tlogele, re ithobalele, re not be passed by the National Assembly unless the final emele batho ba rona le Kablay. E re le dira tsa lona tsa voting on the Bill in the Assembly takes place not less gore nnyaa, ga o a dirwa Minister, ga o a reng, nnyaa a than three months after the previous voting thereon in bone ba ba batlang go nna Ministers, ka gore ba bangwe the Assembly and (ii) at such final voting the Bill is ga ba bo robalele, ba bo tseye. Rona ga re na mathata, supported by the votes of not less than two-thirds of all go nna re ntse re fetiwa ka dipuo fa, Reggie, Majaga, the Members of the Assembly.” Fa re ya kwa tlhalosong Kablay, yole o ile, ga ke itse Reggie kana le ene o mo ya the Members of the Assembly, ke go busetsa kwa tseleng jalojalo. Gakere o ne a nna fa, gongwe go a Section 58 Mr Speaker. Section 58 (2) e balega jaana, tlhomaganwa. “in addition to the President the National Assembly shall consist of 57 Elected Members who shall be elected in Le tswe mo maemong a, maemo a a tlaa le dia mo go accordance with the provisions of this Constitution and maswe. subject thereto in accordance with the provisions of any Act of Parliament.” At 2 (b) it reads, “six Specially HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Elected Members who shall be elected in accordance MR MAJAGA: Fa re a batla le rona re tlaa ya go with the First Schedule.” So fa re bua ka Members of khubama, ka ga go kwalwe interview. the Assembly Mr Speaker, re raya Mapalamente a a tlhophilweng a kopane le a a itlhophetsweng mo teng HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ga Palamente.

MR SPEAKER: Can we have order please; we cannot HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… be all standing. LEARNED PARLIAMENTARY COUNSEL: MR MAJAGA: Le tswelele fela ka dipuo tsa lona, Gore ke rarabolole gongwe tsietsego e ke gore fa go lefatshe le tsamaye go se na mathata. Le ba e leng gore tlhophelwa Constitution in accordance with 89 (3) ba a batla, e re le le kwa le le teng, le tswe mo go rona. b, ga go tshwane le to endorse Mothusa Tautona in Rona re maDomkrag re tlhophilwe re le maDomkrag. accordance with Section 39 (1) ka gore eo yone ya re, Fa re tsamaya, re tlaa tswa fela motshegare re ya go “there shall be a Vice President who shall be appointed laela Tautona, ke raya Majaga ke sa reye ba bangwe. by the President from among the Elected Members of Ke bo ke tla ke dira a press conference, mo Gaborone the National Assembly who are citizens of Botswana by le kwa Nata. Ke motho yo ke ntseng jalo, ga ke nke ke birth or descent, which appointment shall be endorsed by batla go dira boloi. Thank you. the said Elected Members.” Underline the word Elected

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Members when endorsing VP, re bua ka ba ba tswang to dispute that, open the Constitution and place a finger go tlhophiwa foo, bo Specially Elected Members ga ba on a provision contrary to what I am saying. Thank you tlhophe Mr Speaker, mme fa mo Molaomotheong, bo Mr Speaker. Specially Elected Members ba a tlhopha. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. MR SPEAKER: While you are still standing Honourable Minister, can you say it in simple language. MR SALESHANDO: Clarification. Ke a leboga. Mo In other words, what you are saying is not compatible to Specially Elected fa o bala, ke utlwile o re o bala the what we are saying. relevant sections. Go raya gore ke tse di tsamaelanang le Bill e re buang ka yone (discuss). Ke utlwile o bala golo MR KGAFELA: No, Mr Speaker, mma ke bue ka gongwe o re ga e ka ke ya feta if not supported by less Setswana. Motlotlegi Moeteledipele wa Kganetso o ne than two-thirds. Is that the understanding fa e le gore a bua mafoko a a neng a tlhatswiwa ke Learned Counsel wa re ke relevant section, ke yone kutlwisiso yone eo re gore batlotlegi ba ba barataro ba ba tlhophilweng mo tle re tlhaloganye sengwe le sengwe se se tsamaelanang Palamenteng e, ba ba sa tlhophiwang ke batho, ba le yone? tlhophilwe ke Mapalamente, ga ba na tshwanelo ya go tlhopha mo this Bill. Jaanong Learned Counsel LEARNED PARLIAMENTARY COUNSEL: … o e tlhalositse gore nnyaa, ga go a nna jalo, ba na le (Inaudible)… tshwanelo ya go tlhopha. Ya re fa go ntse go buiwa, MR SPEAKER: Please put on your microphone. motlotlegi o ne a botsa potso gore Bill e re leng mo go yone gompieno e, a o utlwile Learned Counsel pila LEARNED PARLIAMENTARY COUNSEL: Ke a goree tlhokana le two-thirds majority. Ke bo ke utlwa leboga Mr Speaker. Gone kwa (ii) ya rialo, ya re, “at Learned Counsel o kare a re ee. Ke sone se ke neng such final voting, the Bill is supported by the votes ka emelela ka point of order. Ke re nnyaa, ga go a of not less than two-thirds of all the Members of the nna jalo. Bill e re e buang e e ama tenure of office ya Assembly.” Mopalamente. Tenure of office ya Mopalamente e wela MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND ka fa tlase ga Section 68 ya Molaomotheo. Fa o lebelela HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR KGAFELA): Section 89 ya Molaomotheo e e buang ka go tlhokega Point of order. Mr Speaker, thank you. The Leader of ga two-thirds of all Members of the Assembly, o ya le the Opposition was asking if the Bill which we are tsone ditsetlana tsotlhe tse di kwadilweng ka fa tlase ga now discussing is one of those which requires at least tsetlana eo, tse di tlhokanang le two-thirds majority of two-thirds majority. Mr Speaker, it cannot be correct the whole Assembly, Section 68 ga e yo mo go tsone. Mo as Learned Counsel said. I did not hear it correctly but go raya gore ga go tlhokafale gore e bo e emetswe ke the Bill that we are discussing it affects the tenure of two-thirds ya batlotlegi botlhe ba ba mo Palamenteng. Members of Parliament. When you look at Section 68 Yone fela e batla a simple majority ya ba ba teng mo Mr Speaker, it does not fall under Section 89. Section 89 Palamenteng ka nako eo e bile ba form quorum. Ke ne is the one which talks about the requirement that there ke re ke e tlhalose ka Setswana. be two-thirds majority of all the Members of Parliament. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. Section 89 (3) b which requires, it lists some provisions which evade, they are to be amended in addition to two- HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. thirds majority of Members of the National Assembly. It requires that they be subjected to a vote of the people. MR NKAWANA: Procedure. Ke a go leboga When you look at Section 89, it lists the provisions of Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke ne ke re the Constitution which require two-thirds majority. It golo gongwe jaaka re eme re bua jaana, go nna very also lists in addition to the two-thirds majority those now untidy. Re na le PC yo Palamente e mo kopang gore a re which require a referendum. Section 68, the one which gakolole ka tsa molao, jaanong fa Minister a ganetsana talks about the tenure of Members of Parliament is not le PC ga go nne sentle, le ene ga a ka ke a ema ka dinao under any one of these, so it does not require two-thirds a mo ganetsa... of all the Members of the Assembly. It does not require HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… a vote or a referendum. It requires a simple majority of Members of the House Mr Speaker. If anybody seeks MR SPEAKER: May we have order please!

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MR NKAWANA: Ke ne ke re gongwe kgang e e ntseng is okay. At a later stage, I shall call upon our Learned jaana, fa Honourable Kgafela a na le kgakololo, o ka Parliamentary Counsel to speak at a considerable time ya go e neela PC kwa thoko ka gore ga ba kake ba on this matter. Now, I could not agree more with the ganetsana mo Palamenteng. Ke a leboga. Honourable Leader of Opposition that our debate should flow. Honourable Assistant Minister responsible HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr for Basic Education, I had identified you to hold your Speaker. floor. Please go ahead.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further Procedure Mr ASSISTANT MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION Speaker. (MS MAKWINJA): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mma le HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of procedure nna ke akgele mo Molao-kakanyetsong o. Ke gopola Mr Speaker. gore ka dinako tse, Batswana kwa gae ba a ipotsa gore e kare Molao-kakanyetso o, o tlhamaletse fela jaana, MR TSOGWANE: Procedure. Legale gongwe ke dira batlotlegi ba tsaya kwa le kwa, Constitutional Review, phoso ka gore you did not rule mo go se neng se buiwa gatweng? Ke batla Motswana kwa gae a itse gore re mo ke Rre Nkawana. Ke ne ke re Rre Nkawana o tlaabo a Ntlong e, re tlisitswe ke bone ka puso ya batho ka batho. timetsa setšhaba. Kana Learned Counsel o kopile gore a tlhalose... Jaanong ke dumalana le Molao-kakanyetso o o beilweng pele ke Motlotlegi Morwaeng. Batlotlegi fa ba sa tlhole MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Intshwarele Your ba batla go emela batho ba bone ka phathi e e ba tsentseng Honour, o bolelela ruri. I ought to have made a ruling mo Ntlong e, go boelwe fela kwa morago. Batho ba ye on what Honourable Member for Selebi Phikwe East go rerisiwa, ba itlhophele. Fa e le gore ba a go batla, ba was saying before calling upon you. There is absolutely tlaa nna ba go tlhopha fela. Ga go na mathata. Ke sone nothing wrong for any other Honourable Member to se ke reng, kgang e, e motlhofo. Ke bona gore bagarona criticise what our Learned PC was talking about. It is all ka kwa ga ba ka ke ba dumalana le rona Mr Speaker. in order. Leader of the House, are you done? Fa e sale go akgelwa mo pegong ya ga Tautona, ga ba ise ba dumalane le sepe. Re nankotse dilo tse dintsi. MR TSOGWANE: …(Inaudible)… Re na le ngwaga re le mo Ntlong e, mme dilo tse di HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, o siame. nankotsweng ke Honourable Mzwinila, re ikaelela go di dira, e bile tse dingwe di a dirwa, page 25 and 26 of LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR our manifesto. Rre Segokgo; page 32 of our manifesto, SALESHANDO): Further procedure. Well, there is a di a dirwa. Rre Lefoko o tsenya motlakase le go dira vacancy mo go e nngwe eo. tsotlhe. Rre Gare; Agriculture, re ne re bona Tautona a simolodisa tiro e tona ya go dira abattoir gore re tle re HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… kgone jaaka re ikanne mo page 25 ya rona ya manifesto MR SPEAKER: What are you saying? gore re tlile go godisa temothuo. Dilo tse di bonwa ke ngwana yo monnyennyane di diragala. Bagarona ba MR SALESHANDO: Ee, ke ne ke re for the sake of re ga di diragale. Jaanong re ka dumela jang gore ba progress Mr Speaker, why do you not park this issue, ka dumalana le rona mo paakanyetsong molao o Mr so that the debate flows and then at the end, Learned Speaker? Ke raya gore ke one matlhotlhapelo ao. Counsel can advise. I am sure she needs to reflect as well. Kana ke gore fa a bua a re two sets, fa o ne o Ke a bona fa bagarona ba batla gore re buse ka manifesto lebeletse, His Honour the Vice President was nodding wa bone. Ditshutiso tsotlhe tse ba ntseng ba di dira, tse in agreement a re ee, ee, e tlhamaletse. Fa a utlwa yo gotweng re a di gana, kana di mo manifesto wa bone. Go mongwe fa morago a re nnyaa, half, “ee, ee.” Jaanong okediwa ga madi a maIntern, jalojalo. Fa o le motho o ne rona re batla gore re nne le a le mongwefela yo o ka fa o ile ntweng, e re mo ntweng eo o bo o kgona go fenya molaong, e le ene a tshwanetseng go gakolola Ntlo. A ga yo o neng o lwa le ene, e re go tswa fa jaanong o bo o re re mo fe nako a tle a ntshe kgakololo, a utlwile tsotlhe nnyaa, ke fentse, jaanong ke ya go neela. Ke raya gore a tse di builweng? go ka tsamaya sentle? Re ne re ile ntweng, re fentse ka manifesto o. O e leng gore gone jaana, re a o dirisa. Dilo MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Whoever is putting tsotlhe tse di ntseng di buiwa, ga se boammaaruri gore his or her microphone on, please switch it off. No, it re paletswe. Gatwe re paletswe ke sone se o bonang re

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tla ka Molao-kakanyetso o. Gone jaana maikutlo a batho representatives shuffle across the aisles of power without a kwa godimo. Honourable Kereng o ne a bua a re tota any imperative to consult, or be held accountable to re batla tshidilo maikutlo. Tšhakgalo e e mo Ntlong e, citizens, or their opinions. It is reasonable to assert e kwa godimo. Ga re itse gore re tlaa e reng. Ba kile that for each seat swapped in the National Assembly, ba rata le go ema ka dinao ga tlhakatlhakana, gotwe re the voter intention and representation of citizens who tshogile. Ga ke itse gore re tshogetse eng? Rona ga re went to the polls in 2004 is nullified, undermining the a tshoga. Ga re a tshoga gotlhegotlhe. Ke gopola gore Constitutional provision for the equality of all votes and ba ba tshogileng, ke bone ba ka kwa ka gore Molao- voters, and the right to representation.” Moreover, Mr kakanyetso o Mr Speaker, o tlhamalatsa dilo. Speaker, and I quote the same article, “this submission will argue that the system of floor-crossing, as currently Jaanong a ke tsene mo kgannyeng ya Molao-kakanyetso legislated, in the context of an electoral system, premised Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke santse ke di thatholola fela. Mo on proportional representation, has had the unintended pusong ya batho ka batho, batho ke bone ba tlhophang effect of undermining the spirit of open, accountable, moemedi wa bone. Ke raya gore Motswana kwa transparent and participatory democracy as prescribed lelwapeng a nkutlwe. Moemedi yo o a bo a tlisitswe ke by the Constitution. phathi kwa ntle ga yo o ikemetseng ka nosi, mme le ene o tshwanetse go nna le sekano sa gagwe. It is just simple Further Mr Speaker, a survey released by the Washington as that. Tlhopho e, e dirwa ke motho a e gokaganya le Post/Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University, phathi. Tlhopho e e dirwang mo kgololesegong jaaka e in 2004 observed that, I quote, “63 per cent of dirwa mo lefatsheng la rona, ke puso ya batho ka batho. respondents indicated some or strong disapproval of Gatwe puso ya batho ka batho, very simple. Batho ke the floor crossing regime, in which the largest group of bone ba go tlisitseng fa, boela kwa go bone o ye go ba respondents about 42 per cent of the sample disapproved raya o re nnyaa, o kare ke bone legae le le sha. Ga go strongly.” The defections Mr Speaker, were also found molato ba tlaa boa ba go tlhopha fa ba go batla. It says to have far-reaching effects on smaller opposition it all. parties. Ke sone se ke reng Mr Speaker, bagarona ba ka bo ba itumelela Molao-kakanyetso o ka gore o ba raya... Jaanong, ga o ka ke wa bua ka motlhophi o sa bue ka phathi. It is a combination of person and party. MR SPEAKER: Did you close your quote? Mr Speaker, batlotlegi ba rona gompieno ba ka bo ba MS MAKWINJA: I did Sir; I opened, and I closed dudueletsa Molao-kakanyetso o ka gore mo lefatsheng it Mr Speaker. Thank you. Jaanong go rurifatsa gore le le bapileng le rona gautshwane le, ka bo 2003, e le tota Molao-kakanyetso o o a tlhokafala, mongwe 2004, ga ke gakologelwa sentle, ba ne ba sekaseka wa batlotlegi maabane o letse a buile mafatshenyana Constitution ya bone, ba e lebaleba. Mr Speaker, mo fela a se kae, le nna ke tsile go a thatafatsa. Namibia dingwagenyaneng tseo, tshekatsheko e e ne e dirilwe Article 48, Seychelles Article 81, Sierra Leone Article ke ba “Institute for Democratic Alternatives in South 77, Singapore Article 46, Zimbabwe Article 41, Nigeria Africa (IDASA); Political Information and Monitoring Article 68, Nepal 49, ke mangwe a mafatshe a a boneng Service. E e leng gore you can google statistics at gore go tlola koi mo go nyenyafatsa mme e bile go [email protected]... tlhofofatsa democracy, mme e bile ga e direle batlhophi kwa gae sentle. Go sia ka tlhopho, re nna bo nkgata ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... tlhaname ka gore motho yo jaaka ke setse ke buile, o ne a ya go tlhopha a itse gore o ya go mo emela ka phathi ya MR SPEAKER: Ke tlaa le leleka lona. Domkrag, AP kana ya UDC jalojalo. Re lela ka go tura MS MAKWINJA: You can google it. Mr Speaker, in ga go boelela ditlhopho. Democracy, peace, security is their submission to the joint Constitutional Review on very expensive, jaaka fela bagarona ba kganetso ba bone floor-crossing Mr Speaker, o ntetle ke soboke se nne ba gore e a tura fa ba ya makgotleng a tshekelo ba re ba se bua ka Sekgoa… tsieditswe mme ba sa tsiediwa. Jaanong go tshwanetse go papamale, go nne transparent mo Motswaneng kwa MR SPEAKER: Quote. gae gore tota fa ke tlhophile Rre Kekgonegile, o tsile go nkemela a le mo UDC, re se ka ra tsietsega. MS MAKWINJA: Mr Speaker, ba re, “IDASA found that floor-crossing undermines the principle of Mr Speaker, go a buiwa gore Batswana kwa gae go participatory democracy envisioned by the Constitution: batliwa go ka bo go letelwa Constitutional review

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gore ba ye go botswa, hee Molao-kakanyetso o o sale wa tshaba go boela kwa go bone. Fa o itse fela gore o o builwe bogologolo. Bagaetsho, re na le bana mo rumilwe ke bone, jaanong fa o sa tlhole o batla thomo diofising tsa rona, le rona re tsamaya le Dikgotla, fa e le eo, o tshwanetse go boela kwa go bone. Re tshaba gore gore e rile mo lebakenyaneng leo re bo re sa tsamae le re tlaabo re sa ba direle sentle batho bao, ke sone se re boeteledipele le batho re nna re ba botsa gore ba reng ka gananang le kgang e. Molao-kakanyetso o, ga re a itirela sentle. Bana ba rona kwa diofising, ba ka bo ba le bolelela gone jaana gore Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re ke soboka fela gore ba kgaolo Motswana kwa gae a re Molao-kakanyetso o ke one a bone ba reng; ba re kana o a bo o tlhophilwe, o neetswe o batlang. Wa me wa Botswana Speaks o a nthomelela, mandate ke batho, fa o o ja semenogane, o tshwanetse le mo kgaolong o ba ruta ka molao o. Ke ka tsaya fela go boela kwa go bone wa ya go shafatsa mandate o. tse pedi, yo mongwe a re o kwa , a re, “fa o tlhophiwa ka phathi nngwe mme o batla go e tlogela, Go builwe thata kgapetsakgapetsa ka Constitutional rola thomo e o e filweng ka leina la phathi eo, boela review. Motlotlegi Morwaeng o boletse gore e etla, mme kwa batlhophing.” Yo mongwe a re o kwa Gaphatshwa o boletse mabaka a gore tota ke eng re tshwanetse go dira a re ke Moitse, a re, “ka mabaka a gore o tlhophilwe ke kgang e gore re nne le thitibalo. Constitutional review batho, o tshwanetse go ntshiwa ke batho.” Ke batho kwa is a very sensitive issue ka Sekgoa. Gape kana you are gae, ba akgela mo molaong o. Bagaetsho, a re diriseng changing governance, o batla go bo go na le thitibalo, bana ba ba re thuse, ba re direle research, e re re tla mo o itse gore mang ke mang o fa kae, a o kwa gae, mo Palamenteng e, re bo re emetse batho ba rona. Jaanong Palamenteng kana kwa khanseleng. Go botlhokwa fela fa ke soboka... thatathata. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MODUKANELE): On a point of clarification. MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought? Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke go leboge Tona. MS MAKWINJA: Denied! Bagaetsho, kana ka kwano ba le bantsi go tilwe dikobo di kwa koloing, jaanong ke MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Intshwarele pele eng le sa fefose gore fa dikobo di le kwa koloing, re tle Motlotlegi Mopalamente. Am I hearing a phone? Is this ka koo? amongst Parliamentarians? Bagaetsho, let us respect our Standing Orders. Standing Order 58.9 strictly prohibits HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… that. The next time he does that, I will send Sergeant- MS MAKWINJA: Ehe, ee, go tle go siame go nne of-Arms to confiscate it and you will never get it. Hei thitibalo ka gore e ka bo e le lona le itumelang gore banna! batho ba ba taboge ba tle ka koo; ba le reng dikobo di MR MODUKANELE: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa kwa koloing. Palamente, ke a go leboga. Ke go leboge Tona for yielding Mr Speaker, ke sone se ke reng ga ke tlhaloganye gore for me. Gongwe re botse potso fela e e motlhofo, Tona tlola koi e fa e le gore ba ka kwa; mme e bile re utlwile o e atolose gore, ka re tsisitswe ke batho ka diphathi tsa jaaka ke ne ke ntse ke bua sejatlhapi fa gore tota floor rona, fa e le gore ke fetola for whatever reason fa ke crossing e e baya bone ka fa mosing, ba ka bo ba e le fa, ke tlelwa ke sengwe se se nthayang se re fuduga, dumalana gore e nne mme jaanong o tle o bone mathata. ke tshaba eng go boela kwa bathong ba ba ntsisitseng Ke eng ba sa e batle? Ke gore ba itse gore jaaka gotwe fa gore ba mphe mandate o mosha, ka mebala e ke dikobo tsame di kwa koloing, fa ke tsena ka kwa, they tlaabong ke fudugetse kwa go yone? Ke tsaya gore this are not sure gore ke ya kwa go mang; a ke tlaabo ke ya is the fundamental question. Se Tshutiso e se buang gore kwa kana ke ya kwa ka gore rotlhe re batla dinomore. fa mongwe wa rona kana Motlotlegi Dr Gobotswang a Re batla dipalo tsa rona tsa Mapalamente gore ba tlole. re letsatsi leno ke fudugela kwa bonnanne, a a boele kwa Ke sone se e leng mathata ka kwa Mr Speaker. bathong ba Sefhare-Ramokgonami ba ba mo tsisitseng fa. Re tshaba eng? Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re…

MS MAKWINJA: E boketenyana, mme e motlhofo MR SPEAKER: Why are we now standing when the ka gore fa o itse gore o direla batho sentle, ga o ka ke Honourable Member is still holding the floor?

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HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… DR GOBOTSWANG: …ya gore go bua ba le babedi ka kwa… ga ke ise ke wele Mr Speaker. …go bua ba le MS MAKWINJA: Banna le basadi Mr Speaker, ba ba babedi ka kwa, go bua a le mongwefela ka kwano. nang le maikaelelo a go tla fa go emela batho ba bone, ba ba itseng gore ba ba tlhophile, ga ba ka ke ba ganana HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr le mogopolo o. E bile ke raya batlhophi kwa gae ke re, Speaker. mogopolo o o tlhamaletse, ba se ka ba tsietsega ka tse DR GOBOTSWANG: Jaanong ga o ka ke wa fetola di buiwang tse dintsintsi. O ntlhophile, ke tsene fa ka tsamaiso fela ka gore o tsiediwa fela ke rraetsho. Ke one wena. Fa ke batla go ya golo gongwe, ke tshwanetse go mathata fela. O se ka wa tsietsega, ke Mopalamente fela boela kwa go wena. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. jaaka rona gompieno.

HIS EXCELLENCY THE PRESIDENT (DR HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure Mr MASISI): Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Speaker. Palamente, ke a dumedisa Mapalamente a a tlotlegang. DR GOBOTSWANG: Fa a le kwa setilong se se kwa Ke ntse ke reeditse jaaka Palamente e tsweletse ka sele, ke gone re tlaa mo tlotlang re itse gore ke State Molao-kakanyetso o Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa President. Now setilo se a se kotameng, ke Mopalamente, Palamente. o se ka wa tsietsega Mr Speaker.

MR KEKGONEGILE: On a point of procedure. Mr HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order. Speaker, kana trend le tsamaiso ya rona gone fa ke gore o tsaya two ka kwa, o tsaya one ka kwano. Jaanong o tsaya HONOURABLE MEMBER: Further procedure. wa boraro o ntse o tlhomagantse, ga se gore gongwe ka MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Ema pele rra ka point of koo ga o a kwala sentle, o baakanye Mr Speaker? order. Bagaetsho, I am in charge of… please switch off MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Bagaetsho, I am in your microphone (mic). Le se ka la nthumola; ke motho charge of this House, and nobody is going to tell me yo ke siameng thata, mme fa ke rumolwa, ke tshwana what to do. le noga e gatilwe kwa mogatleng. I am in charge of the House, please do not tell me what to do, and we need HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… silence. Your Excellency the President, please resume your floor. MR SPEAKER: I am in charge of the House. Please resume your floor your Excellency. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Order Mr Speaker.

DR MASISI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisano tsa DR MASISI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke ne ke santse ke re ke ne ke reeditse ka Palamente. tlhoafalo… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Order Mr Speaker. DR GOBOTSWANG: Further procedure. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, o se ka wa tsiediwa MR SPEAKER: That is the last order Honourable ke Rraetsho Motlotlegi Tautona ka gore setilo se a se Kekgonegile. kotameng… MR KEKGONEGILE: Mr Speaker, I rise on Standing MR SPEAKER: Please sit down. Order 5.1 (b). Kana Ntlo e Mr Speaker, le fa e le wena o e tsamaisang, mme o e tsamaisa ka fa tlase ga Standing DR GOBOTSWANG: …jaanong ke Mopalamente fela Orders. Standing Order 5.1 (b) dictates gore o tsamaise jaaka rona. Ntlo e ka tekatekano, o sireletsa minority, mme ka fa o e tsamaisang ka teng jaanong Mr Speaker, ga o e tsamaise MR SPEAKER: Please sit down. ka tekatekano. Ga o re sireletse, you are favouring and DR GOBOTSWANG: Jaanong Mr Speaker, kana re ne being biased, which is not fair to us. re dumalane, go na le tumalano ya Palamente e… MR SPEAKER: Standing Order 59.1 says the MR SPEAKER: Honourable Gobotswang, please sit Speaker’s word is final, and that empowers me to down. oversee the debates at this House, if not within this

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House. Your Excellency, please resume your floor and HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr I pray for respect and silence please. Speaker.

DR MASISI: Ke a itumela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo MR KEORAPETSE: Point of order. Ee rra, o ne o tsa Palamente. Ke tsaya gore go tlaa nna le theetso le le biditse sentle, ke Lefoko Dithapelo Keorapetse. Mr tlotlano. Ke ne ke santse ke simolola ke re, ke ntse ke Speaker, fa Motlotlegi Tautona a bua gore o tlaa ruta reeditse jaaka Batlotlegi Mapalamente ba buisanya ka Honourable Gobotswang botho, it presupposes that ga Molao-kakanyetso o. Ke ne ka bona go le kaone gore a na botho. Ga go na le fa e le interpretation e nngwe, ke tle go tlhatswa dilo dingwe, nna ka sebele ke le mo re ka tlhola re batla go mo sireletsa ka gore ke President setilong se. Ke go rute setho Honourable Gobotswang, mme ga a bua sentle. Fa o re o tlaa ruta motho botho, ke sa se kotama, ke se ntse. Ke mogolo fa o bona ke le it presupposes that ga a na botho. He must withdraw. fa jaana. That is all. He cannot come here mo Palamenteng e a senkeng a tla kwa go yone kgapetsakgapetsa… DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of procedure. Mr Speaker, o re sireletse. Ga ke itse gore fa a re ‘botho’ o MR SPEAKER: Please tone down. mo tsamaisong. Ke tlhokile botho fa kae? Ke letse ke tlhoketswe botho ke mongwe wa Mopalamente wa gone MR KEORAPETSE: Ee, susu ilela suswane. ka koo, ke itshokile. Jaaong ga ke itse gore fa a bua ka gore ke mo tlhoketse botho, mafoko ao o a tsaya kae. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Bagaetsho, I can at Gape rraetsho, ke motona mo go wena ka dingwaga, a later stage authorise my able Clerks to pull out the ke a mo tlotla ka gore ke Tautona. O tshwanetse gore a Hansard. I do not precisely remember His Excellency ntlotle ke le mogolowe ka dingwaga. Jaanong le se ka la the President saying ke go ruta botho. tsietsega, a Tautona a bue kgang ya gagwe sentle, a tswe HONOURABLE MEMBER: Let us call the Hansard. mo dikgannyeng tsa go tlhoka botho ka gore o tloga a mpuisa dipuo tse ke sa eletseng go di bua Mr Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Alright, we will call for the Hansard. Ke a leboga. We shall call for the Hansard. Let us tone down. Your Excellency, please resume your floor. MR SPEAKER: Please, resume your seat. Order! Order! Nnyaa bagaetsho, di mabapi fela ga di tshwane. DR MASISI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Fa Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tautona a bitsa leina la gago Palamente. Ke ne ke santse ke re, ke ntse ke reeditse jaaka a bo a bua ka botho, does not precisely say o tlhokile batlotlegi ba buisanya ka Molao-kakanyetso o. Jaanong botho. I understood him to be emphasising the need ya ke ne ke bona go le kaone gore ke tle go tlhatswa dilo botho and this is concept upon which I pray we must dingwe fa ka sebele, ke ntse setilo se ke sa se kotama, sa understand his submission. boPalamente jwa Botswana ka ke Mopalamente. Ke se MR TSOGWANE: On a point of procedure. Mr ntse jaana gape ka gore mo maemong ame a mangwe a Speaker, you are entirely right. If you go through the a seng mo Ntlo e, ke eteletse lekoko la sepolotiki pele. Hansard, you will realise that a lot of Members when Ke batla go bolelela setšhaba sa Botswana gore, mo they wanted to debate, they would cite that botho, not go eteleleng lekoko la polotiki le ke le eteletseng pele, necessarily with reference to anybody. As a national ke buisantse le bagaetsho, re rerisanya, re akantshana value ya rona ya Setswana, botho bo botlhokwa so… go phuthologilwe ka Molao-kakanyetso o. Mongwe HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… le mongwe a ntsha mafatlha a gagwe, le nna ke le mo teng. Re tsaya Molao-kakanyetso o ka motlhala fa e sale HONOURABLE MEMBER: On a point of order Mr o simololwa dingwaga tse di neng di buiwa, 22 years Speaker. ago, go fitlhelela maloba jaana fa o isiwa kwa Ntlong ya Dikgosi. Le mafoko a bone re a touta. Se ke neng ka se MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, le wena o tlhola o bitsa tlhamalatsa go sa lowe, go iketlilwe, re le mo Ntlong, ke maina a batho o bo o bua se o se buang… ne ka bolelela bagaetsho gore ga go na lepotlapotla le le MR SPEAKER: He stood up on a point of order. re patikang go itlhaganelela Molao-kakanyetso o, e bile ga go na yo o tlamiwang ke sepe gore a dumalane kana a MR TSOGWANE: Le wena o kgona go bitsa maina a ganane le one. Se se tshwanelwang ke go dirwa ke gore batho o bo o bua se o se buang. o ye Palamenteng. Mapalamente a Botswana ba tlaa

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reetsa gore Batswana ba reng, mme ba tlaa fetisa kana re ne re ile COVID-19 break not refreshments. Bangwe ba ganana le Molao-kakanyetso o. Mo lekokong, fa e le ga re a kgoma le fa e le sepe. gore o teng yo e leng gore ga a tsoge sentle, hee! tsela tshweu e bulegile, o ka nna a rwala dithoto a tsamaya MR SPEAKER: I accept the correction. fa e le gore o tlhotswe. Jaanong fa e le gore ba teng DR MASISI: Ke ne ke re ka bokhutshwane Motsamaisa ba ba pakileng dikobo, re tlaa phirima re ba laela, ba Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke lebagane le Honourable tlaa re laela. Le fa ba ka fuduga ba le bantsintsi, ga go Gobotswang ka o ne a supa fa a kgopisegile ka mafoko molato, Molaomotheo le one o ntse o a re kaela gore go a ke a dirisitseng, ke a boele morago, otlhe fela. dirwa jang. Se se botlhokwa ke gore re tlise tshisibalo mo dipolotiking tsa rona mo Botswana, go tle go iketle. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… Puso ya batho ka batho e remeletse mo go tlotleng motlhophi, e seng o tlhophiwa re bo re ikgakologelwa DR GOBOTSWANG: Procedure. Mr Speaker, ke gore jaanong ditshwanelo tsa rona di botlhokwa, di amogela ka fa Tautona a buang ka teng. Motho fa e le kwa godimo go gaisa tsa batlhophi. Re tshwanetse mogolo jaaka e le mogolo jaana, a lemoga gore ga a dirisa gore re beye maikutlo le ditshwanelo tsa batlhophi kwa mafoko a a siameng, go tshwanetse gore go nne jalo. Ke setlhoeng, Molao-kakanyetso o o batla go dira jalo. mo lebogele gape gore a nne a tla mo Palamenteng, a tla go bua le rona, re mo utlwa, re lebagane le ene, a nne Molao-kakanyetso o o batla go ritibatsa ledula la rona a re utlwa re lebagane le ene. A tlhokomele Mothusa la sepolotiki, re se ka ra nna le mokgwa wa phuduga! Tautona, a mo ele tlhoko Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga. Phuduga! kamoso ga go itsiwe gore yo o kae, go ntse jang. Mme batlhophi go beilwe mo melaong ya rona HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… gore dingwaga tse tlhano dingwe le dingwe go bopiwa Puso, e bo e bopololwa fela jaana, kana e foforwa, e MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Your Excellency, please okolwa jaana e santse e tshela. A batho ba ikakanye, nako resume your floor. e santse e le ntsi. Le akanyeng Batlotlegi Mapalamente DR MASISI: I thought you would make a ruling on gore molao o le fa o sena go feta, it is going to be that procedure Mr Speaker. Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo verified, authenticated, o bo o tla kwa go nna gore ke o tsa Palamente, tla ke tswelele le mafoko ame, ke ne ke saene, ke gone molao o bo o dirisiwa. santse ke bua gore ba lekoko le ke le eteletseng pele MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Sorry, Your Excellency re buisantse, go phuthologilwe. Ra phuthololana dipelo, to disrupt your flow of debate. The COVID protocols gore maikaelelo a Molao-kakanyetso o ke go nonotsha, have caught up with us, we shall recess for 30 minutes go tiisa tsamaiso ya puso ya batho ka batho. Ga o a and then be back. direlwa rona ba re leng foo, ga o a direlwa phathi e ke e eteletseng pele ya Domkrag kana epe e e mo Ntlong e le PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 6:30 P.M. FOR e e seng mo Ntlong e. Se re se boifang, re bona e kete se APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES a jwelelela, ke mokgwa o wa go tsaya maikutlo a batho ba a phuthang, ba a tlhotlha ba tlhwaafetse, ba eme mo PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 7:00 P.M. ditseleng mo letsatsing, go sena go senngwa madi le MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Good evening nako, bagolo ba ipapatsa, golo moo go bo go nyefolwa, Honourable Members. When the House broke for some ka gore ke utlwile botlhoko, ke tenegile, ga ke ratiwe, refreshments about 30 minutes ago, His Excellency the nnyaa ba a mpelaela, go bo gotwe go a fudugiwa. A-e! President of the Republic of Botswana was holding the ke phuthololetse bagaetsho pelo ka re… le maloko floor and he still has to himself a quota of 14 minutes, a phathi ya me ba ka atlhola, botlhe ba ba leng ka fa, 54 seconds. ba phuthologile gore ba ka nna ba fuduga. Ba fuduge pele ga molao o tsena mo tirisong. Ke raya le ba ba mo DR MASISI: Ke a itumela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa mogopolong oo ba ise ba ikakanye, ba wetse megopolo Palamente. Ga ke ke tseye nako e yotlhe, mme tla ke gore re tle re sale re ikaga sentle… tlhamalatse kgang e re neng re bua ka yone ya ga Rre Gobotswang… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR KEKGONEGILE: Procedure. Mr Speaker, re ne re DR MASISI: Fa ke re re ikaga, ke raya re aga Botswana. re o baakanye foo, kana e nna o kare re ile refreshments, Jaanong golo mo…

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. ba re ke bomang. Batswana ba ngongoregela kgang e, ga ba tshephe. Ke sone se e tlaa reng fa re bua dilo di DR MASISI: Mma ke wetse mogopolo o ke o buang tlhamaletse, go bo go fetlhiwa dilo tse e seng tsone, Honourable Mmolotsi. Golo mo go ama dintlha tsotlhe di kgokgoediwa, di feferwa, di okediwa jaaka motho tsa Ntlo, gore le gone ka koo, fa go na le yo o ikakantseng a oketsa marago ka matlapa. Tse di buiwang fano ga gore a fudugele gope, a o fuduga gone ka koo ka gore go se boammaaruri. Molao o o tlhamaletse o batla gore a kgonega go fuduga ka koo, kana o fudugela ka kwano, fa moemedi yo o tlhophilweng e le Mopalamente, le ene a phutholole mowa, a dire pele ga molao o tsena Mapalamente ka palo e e rileng fa ba le mmogo jaana mo tirisong. Fa e le gore ba dumela jaaka ba ntse ba bua ba dira Puso, a ka eletsa go fuduga, ka o tsene foo ka gore maikutlo a ke a batho, ke rata gone jalo, a ba letle palo ya batho, a ye kwa bathong, ke bone ba kgethe gore molao o tsene mo tirisong, yo o sa gatlapeleng gore o Puso e bopiwa jang. E se ka ya re re tsena fa... ka tshaba gore go ka reng, a a lete. E re fela molao o sena go tsena mo tirisong, a bo a fuduga, re bo re ya MR HIKUAMA: Point of clarification. Ke a leboga ditlhophong, ke one makgaolakgang. Yo o tla bonang a Tautona, Your Excellency gore o bo o mphile sebaka. taboga, o bo o itse gore go raya gore o feditse mogopolo, Potso ya me e nnyennyane e ke batlang o e ntlhatswetsa o bone gore legae le a leng mo go lone ga se lone. Go ke ya gore o ne o tlhomamisa fa mo State of the Nation siame, o tlaabo a dirisa tshwanelo ya gagwe ka fa Address (SONA), le Tona o ne a tlhomamisa gore molaong, ka fa go ntseng ka teng, ga go molato. ngwaga o o tlang we are reviewing the Constitution. Ke yone nako e e siameng ya gore re ka tsenya tsotlhe tse di Fa re ka lesa ga nna jaaka go ntse jaana, go bo go buiwa sa siamang ka Molaomotheo wa rona. Se se dirang gore mafoko gompieno a ke ntseng ke utlwa a buiwa gotwe re itlhaganele gompieno ke eng? Mabaka a teng ke eng phathi ya gaetsho e ke e ratang e nala e paletswe, uhu! ka gore re na le dikgwedinyana fela tse tharo re bo re ga ke itse gore batho ba nna kae? One year ago, re ne tsena mo ngwageng o o tlang? re le kwa ditlhophong, re bua rotlhe re phuthologile. E rile re tswa mo go bueng go sena go tlhophiwa ga DR MASISI: Ee, ke tlaa e araba Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo ipelaetswa gatwe go tsieditswe, ga sekwa! Gompieno tsa Palamente ka bokhutshwane. Molaomotheo fa o go a kolotiwa, wetsang dikgang tse. Puso ga e jelwe mo kgongwa, bogolo jang ditemana tse di itshetletseng, tafoleng, Puso e tsewa ka ditlhopho. Rona re pelotshweu. ke matshego a Molaomotheo, go batla go le thitibalo, Fa re tlhophololwa fela ga go molato, re tlaa ikaga bogolo jang mo babusing. Babusi ke raya ba Ntlo e, ga jaaka re ikaga fa re kgonang teng. Ba teng fa; morwa ke reye ba ba ka kwano fela; le babusi fa o bona le le Khama ke yo o ntse a le fa, o ne a tsamaya ka motsotso fa jaana... wa bofelo a bo a ya go fenya ka dipalo. Re amogetse HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... phenyo ya gagwe. Morwa Lesedi le morwa Mathoothe ba ne ba tswa mo Domkrag; ba emetse ditlhopho ka DR MASISI: Nnyaa, ke batla le tlhaloganye bophara phathi e ntšha, ba fentse phathi ya ga Domkrag. Ga go re jwa se ke se buang batho betsho. Ga ke batle le e tsaya kgobe marapo. Golo mo ga go direlwe Domkrag, BPF, jalo, ke batla le ntlhaloganye bophara ka gore re a busa. BCP, AP, BMD, BNF kana yone UDC. Se se botlhokwa Ga re ka ke ra le kganelela kwa ntle fa e le gore e ne e gape ke gore re tsene ka masaka a rona a Batswana ba a le gore re busa re le esi. Le tlhophilwe batlotlegi, le eme tlhaloganyang. Mokgwa o le o ele tlhoko wa gore e re le ka maemo a lona. Ke tshwanelo ya lona le mo molaong gore le bo le le fano le dira tiro ya lona. Jaanong go batla fa go sena go tlhophiwa, go bo go ya go nna... gore go bo go le tshisibalo. Tshisibalo e e tlhoka go nna HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. teng pele ga re ya go kgotlhokgotsha seo. Fa re ka e lesa e ntse jaana go bo go tsena dipuo tse ke ntseng ke di DR MASISI: Ke santse ke batla go wela, ga ke batle go utlwa di buiwa gore bangwe ba pakile dikobo, bangwe dirisa nako ya me yotlhe. Mokgwa o re o ele tlhoko wa ba rileng, o ko o akanye Motswana fela kwa Etsha 6, gore e re go sena go tlhophiwa, go bo go kopanwa jaana Gumare, o rwala mabogo mo tlhogong, ga a itse gore go buisanngwa gore nneele se, ke tlaa re, go bo go ipopa tota o leba kae. Ke yone kgang e tona. So, re feta ka e, mmopo o o neng o seyo, o o sa nitamang, o borai. Fa o re a e konetelela gore go sisibale, batlhophi ba itse gore bona ke sa batle go bua ka diphathi tse dingwe jaana, ke bone ba busang. Ga se rona beng ba bone, ke bone mme ba ntlhomola pelo, ba tshabelelwa ke dihawa ka beng ba rona. Lebaka le le tona ke lone leo. Phelelong one mokgwa o ka gore ga ba a nitama, ba ntse ka mebala re tla fano gore re tle go phadisanya ka mafoko kana re le ditsamaiso tsa bone, mme ba pala go konotelela gore ngangisanye re lebisanye mabaka.

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DR TSHABANG: Point of clarification. Thank you Mr DR MASISI: Ke kopa le iketlele clarification ka Speaker, thank you Your Excellency. Potso ya me e mo gore ke batla go wetsa. Le ntheetseng gore le tle le go reng kana consultation e e dirilweng, it was 22 years tlhalosediwe sentle. Ke batla go tlhalosetsa Ntlo e back, did you not think it was prudent gore le nne le a le Batswana kwa gae gore mogopolo o o sale o bewa fresh mandate wa consultation or referendum? Thank pele Palamente bogologolo jole, Dipalamente tse di you. farologanyeng di ntse di tla. Go ne go tshwanelwa ke gore nako nngwe o diragadiwe. Ka boeteledipele jwa DR MASISI: Ke a leboga. O bale Molaomotheo sentle, me mo phathing e ke e eteletseng pele le boeteledipele ga gona fa o tlamang gore go nne le referendum ka jwa me ke le Tautona, ke itlamile gore molao o fa o tla, kgang eo. Seo ke sa ntlha. ke ya go o baya monwana. Ga ke batle go arabela ope. Sa bobedi, o ele tlhoko ka ke bala maitlamo a diphathi Nna Mokgweetsi Masisi, ke itlamile gore molao o fa ka go farologana, phathi e ke e eteletseng pele... le o fetisa, ke o baya monwana. Ga ke batle go boela kwa morago ka gore Magosi a rona a re a tshephang, ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le rona. ba phuthologileng gore ba akanyetse molao o gore ba gakolole, ba ne ba le seopo sengwe. Magosi a rona ke DR MASISI: Ee, gongwe le lona, ga ke itse ka fa Batswana fela botlhe. Batswana ba atlhotse gore re dire gongwe le a ne le riana le bo le riana… jalo. Fa o bona re le bantsi ka kwano jaana re le feta, ba HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... le ganne. Le itshekile le paletswe, ba le ganne.

DR MASISI: Phathi e ke e eteletseng pele e buisitse MR BOKO: On a point of order. Thank you Mr Speaker. kgang e mo Batswaneng botlhe, le one maloko a lona Mr Speaker, ga ke itse gore golo mo ke order kana ke le a a re tlhophileng tota. Ba buisitse kgang e, ba rile ba eng, mme ke leka to fashion it along the order lines. a e batla... Ke tsaya gore His Excellency the President, ga a batle HONOURABLE MEMBER: Leng? go bolelela Batswana se e leng boammaaruri. Ga e ka ke ya re a bua ka Mapalamente, ba e leng bone ba ba DR MASISI: Fa re ya ditlhophong. O ne o le kae? Re tlaa tsayang tshwetso mo kgannyeng e, gore a e a feta bapaditse kgang e gore re eletsa go dira jaana, ba le kana ga e fete, a bo a re Batswana botlhe ba a dumalana. dumalanang le rona kana le sa dumalane le rona… Boammaaruri ke gore Mr Speaker, Batswana ga ba ise MR MMOLOTSI: Point of clarification. Ee, gongwe o ba nne le a thorough consultation and that is the outcry e tlhatswe fa o neng o re le leka go baakanyetsa setšhaba, e e kwa ntle gore, rona ga re ise re e bone therisanyo le se utlwela botlhoko. Tautona, o a itse gore phathi e e e saleng e buiwa ke Motlotlegi Tautona. Jaanong fa kgona go koba motho, mme fa e mo koba, maikutlo a a re nnyaa, go siame fela gore batho ba le 57, because batlhophi ba gagwe one ke eng le sa akanya ka one fa le Specially Elected Members are not participating in this dira molao o? thing, go lekane gore ba bo ba fetisa selo se se ntseng jaana, Batswana ba ba kwa ntle bone, ba ise ba ko ba DR MASISI: Nnyaa, maikutlo a batho re a akanyeditse nne le seabe mo kgannyeng. Ke batla gore gongwe le fa motho wetsho. E rile kwa tshimologong fa go ntse e le order, gape e apisitswe ke clarificationmo teng, a e go akanyediwa Molao-kakanyetso o, go ne go na le tsibogele. Ke a leboga. tshetlana ya gore fa phathi e koba motho le gone go bo go iwa ditlhophong, e bo e ntshiwa. Fa phathi epe fela e MR SPEAKER: There is actually no point of order. ka koba motho e le leloko la Ntlo e, ga go tlamege gore Your Excellency, please resume your floor, and explain go iwe ditlhophong ka gore re tshaba gore diphathi di ka to your colleague. Please switch off your microphone tsogologela batho. Ke wena o itseng go gaisa mang le Honourable Member for Phikwe East. mang, jaanong... HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Clarification. DR MASISI: Ke batla ke papamatse gore, Batswana ba DR MASISI: Nnyaa, mma ke wetseng. Ke batla go atlile mogopolo o. Le bangwe ba ba neng ba re tlogela kopa Ntlo e... ka motsotso wa bofelo, ba bapaditse maitlamo a phathi e, ba fuduga jaana ba dumalana le selo se. Ke a leboga. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. Ke o ema nokeng.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. le bonako, le go sukunyetswa, le go kopelwa ka dilo tsotlhe tse o ka di akanyang. Ke sone se o fitlhelang e MR SPEAKER: His Excellency the President has belaetsa. just finished. You cannot clarify anything. Honourable Member for Ghanzi South! Honourable Member, Mr Speaker, kgang e gotweng Puso nngwe le nngwe maybe before you begin to cogitate on the matter, the e ka bona gore e se ka ya latlhegelwa, therefore go Learned Parliamentary Counsel needs to come back dirwa Molao-kakanyetso o ka lebaka la gore go again shortly about that other point. hemelwa seemo sa ledula lwa Puso, ga se boammaaruri. LEARNED PARLIAMENTARY COUNSEL: Boammaaruri jwa kgang ke gore, Batswana ba ba kafa Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable ba maDomkrag, ba rata lefatshe le la Botswana. Ga ba Members. Ke boe ke leboge le Honourable Kgafela, ka ke ba tlola fela ba sia, go sena sepe se se dirang gore for his intervention. Mr Speaker, when we adjourned as ba sie. Fa e le gore gongwe ba tlaabo ba belaelwa, jaaka promised, I went back and reflected, ntle ke boele kwa ke bona ba belaelwa jaana, gore ba batla go sia, jaanong Setswaneng, ke lebetse jaanong. Ke bo ke lemoga gore, ba direlwe molao o o ba dirang batshwarwa, ke kgang e fa o eme fa ke emeng teng fa, ga o kgone go bona sentle e sa tsamayeng sentle Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke bua especially fa o tshwana le nna jaana, o ntse o le sefofu jaana ke re, fa ba kganetso re bua ka molao o wa gore ka gale. a batho ba neelwe tshono ya bone, ya setho ya puso ya batho ka batho. Ke mongwe wa Mapalamente, jaaka ke Ke bo ke lebelela gore, fa ke bala ke ne ke re Section ne ke re dipuo dingwe tsa me di tlaa le gakgamatsa, yo ke 60, ke bala gore amendment ya 68 ke e balela kwa go sa dumeleng gore tshwanelo ya motho a le mongwefela 89 ka fa go tlhophiwang ka teng. Fa ke neng ke bona e tshwanetse ya bolaya tshwanelo ya batho ba bantsi. Ka e le 68, ga se 68 ke 66. I went back, ke tswa go e bala. tsela e e ntseng jalo, fa o ntheeditse, o tlaa utlwa gore Section 68 amendment ya yone Mr Speaker, ke nnete sengwe se se buiwang ke maDomkrag, sengwe sa sone Honourable Kgafela o bolelela ruri, e tlhophelwa under ke a se dumela, mme ga ke se dumalane. Section 74 (1) of the Constitution, ya general provisions relating to procedure in Assembly. E balega jaana e re, HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… “Say as otherwise provided in this Constitution, any MR MOTSAMAI: Ke sa dumele ka tsela ya gore, tota question proposed for decision in the National Assembly molao o, o tla ka lepotlapotla. Fa o ne o tlisitswe ka shall be determined by a majority of the votes of the nako, ke ne ke ya go dumalana le ba phathi ya Domkrag Members present and voting.” E ntse jalo Mr Speaker, e wholeheartedly, ka bongwefela jwa pelo gore molao o, tlhophelwa ka simple majority as opposed to two thirds. o siame a o diragadiwe. Ke ntse ke tswelela ka re, Specially Elected Members le bone ba a tlhopha, ba na le tshwanelo ya go tlhopha. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. I thank you Mr Speaker, and thank you Honourable Kgafela. MR MOTSAMAI: Mathata ke gore, January molao o tshwanetse gore o tsene. Re mo go December, molao o a MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, please resume potlakelwa. Bothata ke eng? your floor. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR MOTSAMAI (GHANZI SOUTH): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke lebogele sebaka se o se mphileng MR MOTSAMAI: Ke santse ke tsweletsenyana, ke tlaa rraetsho. Ke boe gape ke dumedise Motlotlegi Tautona go akanyetsa Kgosi, ke wena? Mr Speaker, ke bona go wa lefatshe la Botswana. Ke mo lebogele gore a bo a re sekaseka Constitution ya lefatshe la Botswana Tautona, tlhodile. Mr Speaker, ke simolole ka gore, e tlaa re ke e le gone mo go botlhokwa. Mo e ka bong gompieno ntse ke tsweletse ke bua, le bo le re ga ke itlhaloganye. jaana o re latsa nageng, o re laleditse gore re bue ka Mme seo ke tlaabo ke se buile, ke batla gore ke bue go sekaseka le go tlhomama go bona gore molao wa fela ke simolola. Mr Speaker, ga go na ope yo o ka lefatshe la Botswana otlhe o a dirwa, jaaka o solofeditse. dumalanang le molao wa gore batho ba tlhophiwe, ba Jaanong, o a bo o nkgakgamatsa, ka gore ke bona gore bo ba tsamaya ka ditilo tsa batho. Ga go na ope yo o ka o ntshitse Mothusa Tautona le ene o matlhagatlhaga go dumalanang le kgang eo. Mathata a ke nang le one Mr bona gore molao o e bile o okelediwe ka 2 hours gore re Speaker, ke a gore kgang e e tlang e, e tla ka potlako lale re o bua masigo.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. se tswang mo pitseng, go raya gore ba jele ba kgotshe. Go raya gore ga o ye go dira Molaomotheo ka nako e e MR MOTSAMAI: Ema pele, ke santse ke le ka beilweng, e e tlhokafalang... kwano. Matlhagatlhaga a teng fa a ka bo a ne a dirisa go tlhabolola kgaolo ya Boteti, a ne a ka sologela batho ba HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… Boteti molemo. MR MOTSAMAI: Ke sone se o se ikaeletseng. O HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… ikaeletse gore jaanong seemo sa…

MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker, selo se setona ke gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. go fetolwe, go se ka ga tsewa Molaomotheo wa lefatshe la Botswana wa tlopolwa ka piecemeal. Le yone pitsa, MR SPEAKER: Order Honourable Members! Order tota fa e kare o e apeile kana o batla go e tshola, o bo please! He appears not to want to yield. o nna o re nnyaa, yo ke nnake o gorogile mo neele setokana foo, yo ke mogolole, le ene mo neele setokana HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification foo, ke pitsa ya mofuta mang? Honourable Motsamai.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… MR MOTSAMAI: Fa e le gore seemo sa gago jaanong se nitlame… ke go reile ka re iketle pele ga o uzwe, MR MOTSAMAI: E tlaa nna pitsa ya mofuta mang? iketle ke tlaa go naya. Ke bua Sekgalagadi Mr Speaker, Tsholang pitsa le e beye fa fatshe motho a tsholelwe, a ka gore he seems not to hear me mo Setswaneng. neelwe, a bo a shabe, a je. Tshola sentle Tautona. HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a diega. Ke wela jaana Mr Speaker, kgang ya gore go bo go fetolwa Molaomotheo gompieno jaana, nnyaa ga MR MOTSAMAI: Ke nkgonne mo Sekgalagading. e botlhokwa, mme ope yo o siang ka setilo a re o ya Mr Speaker, kgang e nngwe e e botlhokwa, re tswa phathing e sele, moo ga ke go eme nokeng (support). Ke tshwanelo ya me gore ba ba ka ka kwano, ba bagarona mo COVID Tautona, batho ba bolailwe ke tlala, ba ba, fa ke na le sengwe se ke farologanang le bone ka latlhegetswe ke ditiro, ba senyegetswe ke ditiro mo sone, ke bue, ga ke buele kwa mahuring, ke mo go dikomponeng, ba senyegetswe ke maroko, ba kobilwe yone puso ya batho ka batho. Yo gongwe a e batlang a mo matlong. Gompieno re mo badiragatsing, ba a lela, atumele ka kwano. ba a bokolela. Ke tsone dikgang tse re ka bong re di tsibogetse pele fela ra bona gore tse ke tsone tse di ka re HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… latsang nageng. MR MOTSAMAI: Go ntse jalo. Mr Speaker, dikgang MR TSOGWANE: Point of procedure. Ke tla ka point tse gompieno di ka bong di sa re latse ke dikgang tsa of procedure ka lebaka la dikgang tse a di buang. Ke dipolaano tse di boketekete, tse di kanakana, ke yone etse tlhoko gore jaanong ene ga a mo kgannyeng e e melao e re ka bong re e tsenyeditse tlhogo fa ka bonako, beilweng fa pele ga Ntlo e, o mo dikgannyeng di sele. ka potlako re bona gore batho ba a swa, ba a nyelela. Kana the Standing Orders tsa rona tsa re go buiwa se Motho le fa re mo direla molao gompieno jaana, gore a se mo tafoleng. Jaanong fa e le gore o batla go bua, go se ka a siela… tshwara kwa le kwa, bo COVID le kae, nnyaa Standing HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… Orders jaaka di ntse, you must focus. O tshwanetse gore o bue se se fa pele ga Ntlo e. Jaanong se leke go itaya MR MOTSAMAI: Nnyaa, e a tsena mme, re ka bo re batho tsebe ka go tshwara kwa le kwa, re bua ka molao simolotse ka yone Tautona, yone eo ya dipolaano. Bona wa floor crossing, ga re itse gore tse o di tsayang kwa fela gore setšhaba se swa go le kana ka eng. Ke yone e le kwa, o batla go kopanya o dira mokoto, ke dife tseo. re ka bong re simolotse ka yone kgang ya dipolaano, e ya go tlola ka molao, nnyaa... HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Let us have order Honourable Motsamai. Honourable Members. Indeed his Honour the Vice President is very much correct. Standing Order 57.1 MR MOTSAMAI: Kgang e gape e supa le gore o ya says eyes on the ball. I thought Motlotlegi Mopalamente go nyafala Tautona o re ka gore ke ba neetse setoki se wa Ghanzi South o neela sekai fela and you appear to

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be dwelling too much on the matter. Please focus on the ga gona sepe se se phoso se a se dirileng, mo letlelele a subject on the matter and the subject on the matter is tsamaye ka fa a batlang go tsamaya ka teng. Constitution Amendment Bill. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr Speaker. MR BOKO: Ee, ene o bua fela gore kgang e ga e urgent and ke kgang e re e buang rotlhe ka kwano, re MR SPEAKER: You cannot want a point of order from sale re e buile motshegare otlhe. We cannot proceed in me. this manner Mr Speaker. O nna o omana o re Deputy Speaker ga a tsamaise sentle, fa gongwe o emelela, mme HONOURABLE MEMBER: No, I am not ordering o dira sentle. Fa gongwe o emelela o re Mr Speaker, you. ga a dire sentle, mme o le mo tseleng re dumalana le MR SPEAKER: You cannot, you are very much out wena. Jaanong gompieno o kare go a go gatelelenyana, of order. ga re ka ke ra tsamaya ka tsela e e ntseng jalo. Fa o batla go tsamaisa sentle, lebelela ka fa o tshwanetseng MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a bo go tsamaisa dilo tsa gago ka teng Mr Speaker. Ke itse ke tlaa gakgamala… gore o motho yo o kelotlhoko, yo o reetsang, yo o ka tsamaisang e bile ke a itse gore jaanong o tlaa ipona MR BOKO: On a point of order. Mr Speaker, nngwe ya molato, o bo o dira dilo sentle. dilo tse ke di tletseng mo Palamenteng nteng ga go tla go thusa go dira melao e e tlaa thusang Batswana, ke go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... lebelela gore Speaker o tsamaisa dilo ka tsela e e ntseng MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Bagaetsho, may we jang. Earlier on Honourable Majaga o simolotse a bua have order please. Honourable Motsamai, indeed His sepolotiki a dule mo go sone re se leng mo go sone, ga Honour the Vice President and Leader of the House was gona sepe se se kileng sa buiwa ka kgang ya teng le very much correct on this observation and I pleaded Mma Makwinja... with Honourable Motsamai to come back to the track HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... and indeed he did that without fail. May we have order please Honourable Boko, you cannot be running MR BOKO: Nnyaa reetsang! Kana lona ga le ke le commentary while I am standing; you cannot. None of reetsa. Le Tautona o ne a dule tota e bile a dule le go the Standing Orders is permitting you to do that and I feta. Gompieno Honourable Motsamai o ngatha go le plead with you. go nnyennyane, o bo o mo kganela. Mr Speaker, fa o le gone foo e bile ke itse gore… MR KEKGONEGILE: Further procedure Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, the issue raised by Honourable Boko, the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... Speaker Honourable Skelemani has already ruled on it MR BOKO: Ke kopa gore le reetse kana lona ga le ke when I was raising that procedural matter fa Honourable le reetsa. Mr Speaker, fa o ka ba kopa gore ba ntheetse. Rakgare a ne a bua gore Honourable Keorapetse o ne a le kwa Francistown, a le kae. He ruled to say it is within MR SPEAKER: Give him a chance Honourable context, ka gore he is just giving examples, whether he Members, give him a chance. spends all his time in that example, it does not matter. It is debate. So the ruling is there, that is the precedence HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Inaudible)… that we must follow. So tlogela Honourable Motsamai MR SPEAKER: I will deal with him. a tswelele.

MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker. Honourable MR SPEAKER: Ga ke utlwe le gore wa reng, that is Speaker, fa o re you will deal with me go raya gore o a the reason why I am not even listening to you. ntshosetsa. Ga ke batle e nna jaaka e kete o a ntshosetsa. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... Ke ne ke re Mr Speaker, fa o le gone foo, o tshwanetse go supa gore ga o tseye letlhakore. O se ka wa tshosiwa MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke tlaa gakgamala ke bolengteng jwa ga Motlotlegi Tautona mo Ntlong e gore fa jaanong le bona gore ke le kotame, le bo le tla ka kana Mothusa Tautona, nnyaa. Honourable Motsamai maretshwa a gore ke tswe mo dikgannyeng tseo...

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MR SPEAKER: O kotame mang? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)... MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a feta.

MR SPEAKER: Fa o re ke le kotame, o kotame mang? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. Ga go na kwa o fetelang teng. Ga o fete. MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker are you debating? I am speaking to my colleagues. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order.

MR SPEAKER: Order Honourable Motsamai, may we MR SPEAKER: Point of order, take your seat. have order please. Ke tlaa le leleka fa le ntshamekisa, may we have order please and we are going to have LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Point of order. Mr Speaker, jaaka o setse Standing order. Orders tse morago ka tlhomamiso, o motho yo o di MR MOTSAMAI: Ke ne ke tlaa gakgamala fa e ka re tlhaloganyang. Fa o boleletse Mopalamente gore go dira le bona gore ke le kotame le bo le sa nkgoreletse. jalo o tlola Standing Order sa gore, jaaka o se balolotse, ga a ka ke a boela to that point a nna a e gatelela as HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. if ga o a mo gakolola. Jaanong buisa Rre Motsamai ka Setswana se a se utlwang, a tlhaloganye gore wa reng. MR MOTSAMAI: I yield. Ga a ka ke a boelela the same point e a neng a busetswa mo tseleng ka yone. Jaanong fa e le gore o nyatsa wena MR MMOLOTSI: Elucidation. Ke a leboga kana o nyatsa tsamaiso ya Ntlo e, a tlhalose fela gore ga a sale morago ditsamaiso tsa Ntlo e. Honourable Motsamai. Honourable Motsamai, gakere o a itse gore it is on record gore Tautona o ne a ikopa MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Indeed, his Honour the maitshwarelo mo Mapalamenteng a opposition. Tota ba Vice President is very much correct. ne ba gakolola mo Palamenteng e e fetileng ka molao HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… o o neng o dirwa bosigo ole. Ba ne ba gana ka nako ya teng. Mapalamente a opposition a ba bolelela gore MR SPEAKER: Yes! ga re ka ke ra dira molao o o ntseng jaana. A mme HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… ga o bone gore mo nakong ya gompieno jaaka re le fa gare ga bosigo jaana, re dirisiwa molao, ke selo se MR SPEAKER: Honourable Boko, ke go itse o le se tsamaelanang le mathata a e leng gore gompieno a motho yo o sa nnang jaaka o ntse letsatsi leno. But if you kopakopantse lefatshe la Botswana? E bile Tautona le want to see another colour of me, you are not very far ene o ne a ikopa maitshwarelo mo Mapalamenteng. from seeing it.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR MOTSAMAI: Ke bone gore go tsamaela koo MR SPEAKER: Indeed, His Honour the Vice President mokaulengwe. Ke utlwa bangwe ba re ke ne ke seyo. is correct. When the Speaker has made a ruling, it is not Ba bangwe ba ba neng ba seyo gone fa, ba bala Bible e necessary and it is not allowed for someone to go back gotweng Jeso a re, Jeso a re, ba ne ba seyo fa e kwalwa. to the same thing se a neng a se kgalemelelwa. I am pleading with you Honourable Motsamai ka fa ke go HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… itseng ka teng, that please keep your eyes on the subject HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Applause!)… on the table. The subject on the table is Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 2020 (No. 14 of 2020). Please MR MOTSAMAI: Mma ke tswelele, Mr Speaker, Honourable Motsamai! kgang e e tlhamaletseng e ke e buang ka re, go na le dikgang tse di tshwanetseng go tseelwa ka bonako le MR MOTSAMAI: Tanki Mr Speaker. ka potlako. Nngwe ya dikgang tseo ke ya dipolaano. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. Bomme ga ba re bolaye, ke rona ba re ba bolayang; ke sone se ke se buang. Kgang ya tlala ya badiragatsi; ke MR SPEAKER: You cannot make a point of order on sone se ke se buang. Ga ke remelele mo dikgannyeng what I was saying. You cannot! Ga a ise a bue le fa e le tseo. Ke ka remelela… sepe, ke gone a emelelang.

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MR MOTSAMAI: Ke rile tanki Mr Speaker. Mr MR SPEAKER: Please sit down Honourable Speaker, fa go ntse jaana, ke gore ke tswelele ka dikgang. Keorapetse! Ga ke ka ke ka tswelela ka dikgang … MR TSOGWANE: Go na le dintlha tse pedi… MR KEORAPETSE: Point of order. Mr Speaker, ke MR KEORAPETSE: You must be consistent. ne ke re gongwe re lebelele tsamaiso, ga go na jaaka fa e ka reng Mopalamente a bua gore the Bill that has HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order Mr been tabled, the debate is not urgent, a bo a tlhalosa Speaker. We need consistency. You are not consistent. gore the priorities go ya ka ene le ba phathi ya gagwe Just two lines! Just one line! No! ke dife, go bo gotwe o dule mo tseleng. Gotlhelele is MR TSOGWANE: Go na le dintlha tse pedi… misinterpretation of the Standing Orders. MR SPEAKER: Please sit down Honourable MR SPEAKER: Sorry, just say it again honourable. I Keorapetse! was still conferring with my Clerks. What did you say? HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR KEORAPETSE: Mr Speaker, ga go na jaaka fa e kare Mopalamente a leka to substantiate gore Bill e e fa MR TSOGWANE: Go na le dintlha tse pedi tse o e, the debate is not urgent and made a point ya gore these tshwanetseng o di tlhalosetse Rre Keorapetse if he can are the things that are urgent in his view. Mr Speaker, mind to listen. you will be impeding on his Constitutional right under Section 12. He holds an opinion that this Bill is not HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motsamai ga a ise a bue urgent. He holds a further opinion that other things are sepe. more urgent. He is free to say those things. You cannot HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… stop him. You will be violating his Constitutional right. These Standing Orders are even subservient to MR TSOGWANE: If he can mind to listen… the Constitution. Mr Speaker, ga o ka ke wa batla go kgokgontsha Honourable Motsamai o re sengwe le MR SPEAKER: May we have order please! May we sengwe se o se buang, bua ka Bill. MaDomkrag ba ne have order please! Honourable Boko! May we have ba le fa ba bua dilo tse dingwe tse di seyong in this Bill. order please! Ba a fa dikai. Ga go na molato ka seo. Ke ne ke re a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Honourable Motsamai a letlelelwe to debate kgang e ka fa ene a e bonang ka teng. Ga go na jaaka a ka idiwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. go bua gore mo go urgent ke eng. Ke go kgokgontsha Honourable Motsamai moo. MR SPEAKER: Leader of the House is on … HONOURABLE MEMBER: But consistency! MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Bagaetsho, Standing Consistency! You are not consistent Mr Speaker. Order 57.1, nobody is going debate away from it. Nobody is going to be irrelevant. Honourable Motsamai, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a ise a bue sepe, o a please hold your floor. emelela.

MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker… HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)…

MR TSOGWANE: Point of order. Mr Speaker, go na MR SPEAKER: Bagaetsho! Bagaetsho! le dintlha tse pedi tse o tshwanetseng o di tlhalosetse Keorapetse… HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)…

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Motsamai ga a ise a bue MR TSOGWANE: Nna ke bona wena. sepe. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR SPEAKER: Please sit down Honourable MR SPEAKER: May we have order please! Bagaetsho, Keorapetse! His Honour the Vice President has stood on a point of MR KEORAPETSE: No! You must be consistent. order and I cannot allow anybody to stand up again. Let

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me read again the particular Standing Order that I am Jaanong fa a ikgabetsa a re ene ga a bue se Honourable talking about. Keorapetse a neng a ya go se bua, o ya go bua dikgang tse a neng a ntse a di bua. HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… I think we need consistency Mr Speaker. Fa o batla go MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, may we have tsamaisa Ntlo e ya gago sentle, o nne consistent, o se order please! ka wa re nnyaa yo ke Honourable Tsogwane, yo ke His HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Honour the Vice President. Nnyaa, fa re le mo Ntlong e Mr Speaker, o re fe tlotlo e e lekalekanang. Ke yone MR SPEAKER: “A Member shall restrict…” I do kgang e ke e buileng kgantele, re a lekana, dingwaga, not have to read it, in any case, the Standing Order is gender and anything else, re tshwanetse gore re tsewe very clear. We are going to confine our deliberations to ka tekatekano, go se ka gatwe nnyaa ka gore ke His Standing Order 57.1 and nobody is going to be irregular. Honour the Vice President, ke ka porofita gore o ya go Honourable Motsamai. bua eng. Ga o moporofiti, ga o ka ke wa itse gore o ya go bua eng. So, we need consistency. MR TSOGWANE: Mr Speaker… MR SPEAKER: I think you are insinuating me. MR SPEAKER: Sorry Vice President (VP). MR BOKO: I am not. MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, ke motho yo ke batlang go farologanya dipuo. Se Rre Keorapetse a neng a ema MR SPEAKER: You are. ka sone a dira point of order a re Motsamai o siame, MR BOKO: No, I am assisting you. ga ke mo go sone. Ke ne ke eme ka point order gore Rre Motsamai cannot challenge your ruling. Your MR SPEAKER: Please, resume your seat Honourable ruling is final. Ke bua ka eo. Whether that ruling has Boko. Proceed. been made erroneously or people do not accept it, it is MR TSHERE: Procedure. Thank you very much final. So, ga go na yo o ka emang and challenge gape Honourable Speaker. Ga ke mo go e e ntseng e buiwa. a re Rre Motsamai o siame. Jaanong ruling ya gago, Ke tshwenngwa ke gore rightly so, o kgalemela he is challenge it go simolola leng? Ga ke mo go reng Mapalamente gore ba tsenye masks, mme wena ga o o Motsamai o buile, o irrelevant kana he is not irrelevant tsenye. Thank you. but you have made a ruling. Fa o dirile a ruling, your ruling must be final. Ke se batho ba tshwanetseng ba se MR SPEAKER: I apologise for that Honourable itse gore Ntlo e, e tsamaye sentle. Tshere. I just wanted my voice to be heard.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order! MR MOTSAMAI: Ke setse gongwe ke ka nna le mogopolo Mr Speaker, wa gore go le Mr Speaker le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure! Mothusa Tautona, le nneele points tse ke tshwanetseng MR BOKO: Point of order. Mr Speaker, ke itse thata go di bua ka gore ke kganelwa go bua, tse batho ba di gore o mongwe wa batho ba ba e tle ba rere kwa United nthomileng gore ke di bue gore kgang e ga e urgent, go Congregational Church of Southern Africa (UCCSA), urgent efe. Tlaa ke tswe mo go yone. o mophuthegi. Nngwe ya dilo tse e leng gore Modimo ga a go tlootsa ka tsone, ke go porofita. O ne o ka se Nngwe ya dikgang e batho ba Ghanzi South ba nkopileng ka wa porofita gore Honourable His Honour the Vice gore e ka bo e le yone e tshwanetseng go tsenngwa President o ya go bua eng ka point of order ya gagwe, leitlho thata fa re bua ka dikgang tsa Molaomotheo, ke the same way you could not prophesy gore Honourable ya gore, constituencies tse dingwe di dirilwe botona jo Keorapetse o ya go bua eng ka point of order ya gagwe. bongwe jo bo gakgamatsang, ka tsela e e leng gore ...

That is why o ne wa mo raya wa re nnyaa, mme ke utlwe MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, please resume gore Honourable Motsamai a reng, mma a tsamae ke your seat. Nnyaa bagaetsho, please stick to the chapter mo utlwe. So, fa Honourable Tsogwane a dira sone se a on the table and it is Constitution (Amendment) Bill. neng a se dira, o a mo letlelela, unless o le moporofiti, o There is nothing about constituencies here. Ga gona itse gore o moporofitile gore o ya go bua eng. mathata o o fa sekai, but now you are purposely. No,

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please Honourable Motsamai, please, come to the table. MR MOTSAMAI: Mr Speaker, kgang e e tlhamaletse jaana gore, Motsamai o supile ka ditsela tsotlhe gore MR MOTSAMAI: Ah! Mr Speaker, mma ke kgang e ga e tlhokafale mo nakong e. Go na le nako e tswelele. Gape ke kope Mothusa Tautona ka tlotlo le e tlhokafalang ka yone, ga a dumalane le dikgang tseo. boikokobetso, gore mashetla a a dirisang mo go nna go Mo dikgannyeng tse dingwe tse di amanang le kgaolo mpaya fa fatshe, gongwe le go bua ka fa a buang ka teng e, ke kgang e... le nna, a a dirise go tlhabolola kgaolo ya Boteti… MR TSHERE: Elucidation. Thank you very much HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Honourable Speaker. Just a quick question Honourable MR MOTSAMAI: …ka gore Bateti ba nwa metsi a Motsamai fa o santse o le foo, e re o digela, a ko o a letswai fa ke bua jaana le wena, a a nkgang sebodu. tlhalose gore, naare molao o fa o ka amogelwa mo Jaanong a a ye go baakanya, a dire ditlhabololo tseo. Palamenteng, o ya go ama Tautona jang? Ke bo ke tsene mo kganneyeng e o buang ka ga yone MR MOTSAMAI: Ke a go utlwa Tshere. Fa o bona Mr Speaker. La re ke nna fela setshwarwa se sengwefela Tautona go batliwa gore molao o fete ka bonako jaana, mo Palamenteng, yo ke kopilweng gore I should go batliwa gore re se ka ra dira ditshekatsheko tseo gore confine myself. Go ntse go buiwabuiwa fela, mongwe le o ya go ama jang semangmang. Ka gore fa o o feta ka mongwe a bua jaaka a rata. Ba bangwe ba bua gore ba a kobiwa, ba bangwe ba re ga ba ka ke ba tsamaya. Ke bonako, ga go na nako ya go bona gore semangmang o nna fela setshwarwa; hostage. ya go amega jang. Ke sone se o bonang le ene a le fa a batla gore o fete ka bonako. Mr Speaker, fa ke bua ka molao wa gore a go siame gore motho o ka tswa ka setilo sa party e e mo tlhophileng, a Kwa bofelong, go na le kgang e gotweng go rerisitswe tsamaya ka sone fa a kgokgontshiwa? Ke lebile molao Magosi, nnyaa bagaetsho, go ilwe kwa Magosing ba ya o Mr Speaker, ke sale ke simolotse fela ke bua ke re go bolelelwa gore go na le molao ke o, mme Magosi ao nnyaa, ga go a siama go dira jalo. ba na le morafe, ba tshwanetse go boela kwa morago ba Tlaa jaanong re tsene mo mabakeng a gore motho yo ye go o rerisa, much as Mapalamente ba tshwanetse go Mr Speaker, go fa kae gore argument ya me e nna gore boela kwa morago ba ye go rerisa morafe. Magosi ga ba batho ba ba tlhophileng motho yoo, provision ya bone rile ee ka yone nako eo, e ne e le gore ke ee wa Magosi. ke eng, bone ba reng? A go na le fa go nang le provision Go tshwanetse ga nna le ee wa morafe, o dumalana le teng ya gore batho ba bona gore ngwana wa bone o a se Magosi a bone a se buileng. Magosi ga se bone ba kgokgontshiwa, jaanong ba re a tsamae? A molao o o ba ka tseelang batlhophi ditshwetso, much as Tautona a bua jalo, kana go na le sengwe se se buegang jalo? Ga bua gore gompieno jaana ga re ka ke ra tseela batlhophi se yo se ke se itseng. ditshwetso ka go siya ka ditilo.

Batho le bone a ba fiwe tshono ya go tseya tshwetso Le nna ka re ga ke ka ke ka tseela batlhophi ditshwetso ya go raya motho ba re, tsamayang, re a bona gore o ka go siya ka setilo, ke tshwanetse ke ba rerise. Magosi a kgokgontshiwa, go se ka gatwe motho o a iphetlha, go raya gore kwa Ntlong ya Dikgosi, morero wa bone o tsamaya fela ka gore go bua bangwe ba ba ba mo ga o ise o wele. Jaanong a re se ka ra ba berekisetsa mo kgokgontshang. lebelong, re bo re tla go ikgatlha fa re re re ba rerisitse, MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND e bile ba dumalane. Ba ne ba sena nako ka gore ga ba COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): neelwa e e tletseng gore boelang le kwa dikgaolong Clarification. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa kwa le busang batho teng, le ye go ba rerisa, le utlwe Palamente, ke a leboga Honourable Member. Kana maikutlo a bone. fa o utlwa gotwe a a fologe setilo, batlhophi ba tseye Tautona yo ke mo tlotlang thata le go feta rraetsho, wela tshwetso, ke gone go ba neela gore ba mo reye ba re dibete fela, o se ka wa dira gore ba ga Domkrag o bo o nnyaa, jaaka o hudugile jalo, re go neela tlhopho. ba kganela gore ba ka tsaya ditshwetso tse di maleba. MR MOTSAMAI: O bua selo se le sengwefela le nna. Molelo o o tukang ka koo, ga se o ba ka o kgonang. Ke Ke gore ka re a re fitlhe, wena wa re a re boloke. sone se o bonang kwa Central ba tswa molao o o ise o tsene; le fa le fa gotwe ke bua di sele. Ba siisiwa ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… molao o mme gotwe ke di sele.

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Molao o o tlaa pateletsa gore le yone budget ya gago e ye therisanong le neelano, bo na le tebelopele ya gore bo ka kwa godimo ka gore nako le nako e ya gore lepolotiki fa isa phathi kae, fa e le gore phathi e mo Pusong, e ka isa le tswa, go bo gotwe a re ye ditlhophong. O tshwanetse lefatshe kae, mme go na le tsamaiso ya puso ya batho wa sekasekwa go iketlilwe, go digetswe dibete, go sa ka batho mo teng ga phathi e. E bile thatathata phathi ya hegelwe. sepolotiki go botlhokwa gore fa go na le kgotlhang mo go yone, go kgonagale gore e nne le conflict resolution Molao o o pitlagantse badiragatsi ka gore gompieno mechanism, a constructive one. Re fa mo Molao- ga re kgone go ya go ba reetsa ka gore re kokomaletse motheong re a o baakanya, mme re o baakanyetsa phathi molao o go bua gore wa reng… ya sepolotiki e e senang boeteledipele, constructive MR SPEAKER: Your time is up. conflict resolution mechanism, ga e a nitama, ka fa teng e a lwa. Selo seo ga se se re tshwanelwang ke go se MR MOTSAMAI: …mme re tshwanetse gore re bo re tswela fa masigo. ile kwa go bone. Mr Speaker, floor crossing e na le mabaka a mantsi a a MR SPEAKER: Your time is up. Le emeng fela jalo ka diragalang ka ntata ya yone. Lebaka la ntlha ke gore bongwanaka, I know who I have identified to be holding phathi ya sepolotiki fa e dule mo tsamaisong e motho the floor. It is about five of you standing, and nako e e a neng a tsena mo go yone a re o emela ditlhopho tsa setseng go raya gore go ka bua batho ba le bararo fela. yone, e dule mo ideology le mo tumelong ya sepolotiki, So yo o buang, ke kopa gore a re tsepameng mo subject e motho a neng a e tsenela (join) yone, o na le tshwanelo on the table. Mr Speaker, ya gore ba jaanong go lebega ba timetse. MR KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): Tanki Mr Gatwe moswi Paul Rantao o ne a tle a rialo fa a botswa Speaker. Mr Speaker, re bua ka Molao-kakanyetso gore o tsene jang fa a re, “heela, go raya gore ke ne ke jaaka go a tle go buiwe, wa lepolotiki le tswa mo le bokowanyana. Kana fa o le bokowa, ntlo nngwe le phathing e nngwe le ya kwa go e nngwe. Lepolotiki le nngwe fela o kgona go iphitlhela o le mo go yone, mme ka tswa kwa phathing e nngwe le ya kwa go e nngwe ka ga ke sa tlhole ke le bokowa, e ntlo ke e lemogile pele ga ditlhopho, kana le tswa mo Palamenteng kana mo khanseleng, mme le ka tswa morago ga ditlhopho gore ga ke mo go yone.” le le mo Palamenteng. Potso e re e ipotsang ke gore, a Tautona o ne a bua kgantele a re yo o batlang go tsamaya mme Molao-kakanyetso o fa re lebile tsamaiso ya rona o ka tsamaya, rona re siame fela. Potso e nna gore fa ba ya ditlhopho, a ke one o gompieno re kabong re o fa siame fela, molao o re o direla eng ka gore go siame priority? A ke one mmangmang wa mathata a rona mo fela? tsamaisong ya ditlhopho mo letsatsing la gompieno? Karabo ke gore nnyaa, ga go a nna jalo. Potso ke gore, Honourable Majaga kgantele o ne a ntse a bua dikai tse mme ke eng re itlhaganetse gore e nne one o mme a neng a di fa, mme o ne a di fa ka batho ba ka nna bane; matshwenyego a matona a le teng? o ne a bua ka Moswaane, Reatile, ka ene le Kablay mme ba teng ba bantsinyana gone ka fale gore fa e le gore ... Mr Speaker, re tswa mo diphathing tse di farologaneng tsa sepolotiki, phathi ya sepolotiki ke yone konokono. MR MAJAGA: Point of order. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke a go leboga Honourable Member of Parliament MR LESEDI: Point of procedure. Mr Speaker, ke a (MP). Nnyaa, go bua ga me ke bua ka Kablay yo ke leboga. Fa re tsena fa, ke utlwile go kopiwa gore go bapileng le ene le yo o tsamaileng… okediwe ka two hours, jaanong ya 30 minutes ga ke itse gore o e tsaya kae Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kablay.

MR SPEAKER: E ne e le nako mang fa re simolola? MR MAJAGA: …Honourable Kablay, Honourable Sought that out. Please continue Honourable Member Reatile le Honourable Moswaane, ba e leng gore holding the floor, we will come back to you. bangwe ba tsamaile, ke ne ke re go na le dikgangkgang tse o fitlhelang o kare gatwe gongwe re diretse bangwe MR KEKGONEGILE: Phathi ya sepolotiki mo sebe, tse di buang ka maemo a re sa a kopang. A ko tsamaisong ya puso ya batho ka batho ke yone konokono. batho ba tswe mo dikgannyeng tseo, ba re tlogele, re na Phathi ya sepolotiki fa e le konokono jalo, e tshwanelwa le maemo, re Mapalamente. Kgang ya me e ne e ntse ke go kitlana, e na le boeteledipele jo bo dumelang mo jalo ke e fa sekai seo mokaulengwe.

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MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki honourable. Ke sone se MR LUCAS: Elucidation. Honourable Kekgonegile, o neng o se bua se ke se gatelelang, gore fa gongwe ka fa o buang ka teng, o raya gore fa gongwe fa go ntse moeteledipele o kgona go go belemela fela ka dikgang go tsweletswe mo dipolotiking, moeteledipele o kgona di seyo mo go wena, a go pateletsa go tsamaya. Jaanong go iphetola Herode, a kgokgontsha maloko a phathi; fa go dira molao o re o direla Mopalamente a le mo tseleng gongwe a go iphetlhela a go kgokgontsha o le leloko? a batla go tsamaya, ga se yone tsamaiso ya puso ya Jaanong molao o wa re fa e le gore moeteledipele o batho ka batho. Constitution kana molao ga o dirwe go iphetotse Herode, o nne fela, a golo moo go siame? tenegilwe, go thaamanwe, ka lepotlapotla… MR KEKGONEGILE: Golo moo ke boleo jo bo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. feteletseng, ga go a siama. Re tshwanelwa ke go lebelela gore fa batlhophi ba re, le wena o lebelele gore a mme MR KEKGONEGILE: …molao o dirwa o direlwa… ditshwanelo tsa mapolotiki a, Mapalamente a, ga o di HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. gatake. Fa o di gataka, wa re o direla molao o gore batho ba nne fela fa o ba gatake go fitlhelela? Molao o ke wa MR KEKGONEGILE: …gore go ka tswelela sentle. kgokgontsho. Ba teng gone fa ba ba boneng maemo morago ga ba bangwe, ba re tshwenya ka kwano ba re MR SPEAKER: Clarification sought. botsa gore re akanya jang ka 2024. E rile fa ba sena ba MR KEKGONEGILE: Lebaka la bobedi… Ke a ba bona maemo morago ga ba bangwe, nnyaa, ke bone ba bona, ke a itse gore ba batla goreng. Ema pele ke tsile ba tlhabeleditseng o kare ‘Nanga’ mo “the man of the go nna mo go lona, le tlaa tla le ikarabela. people.’

Lebaka la bobedi le Mopalamente kana lepolotiki le ka HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… batlang go tsamaya, e ka nna gore jaaka Honourable MR KEKGONEGILE: Mr Speaker, kana motho fa Moswaane a ne a bua a re, “tshenyetso-setšhaba e e gongwe o kgona to cross e le gore go na le internal mo e ntsi, e a nkimela, ditiro tse di mo phathing e di conflicts and faction fighting within a party. E le dintsi di a nkimela, mme ka go rialo, ga ke ka ke ka instability e e feteletseng, e le gore ene tota le dilo tseo kgona go nna fa, go senngwa fela o kare tshenyo ya ga a kgone go tsena mo go tsone, mme o tlhoiwa fela, teng go nowa melemo ya sepatela.” Gone moo fela ka a tlhoelwa gore ga a tsamaelane le faction nngwe, thata bogone Mr Speaker, ga o ka ke wa go direla molao gore motho a se ka a tsamaya ka gore mathata ga se ene go thata ya boeteledipele. Jaanong gatwe motho a nne fela, tsamaya, ke gore dilo tse o di dirang o re o eteletse pele a nnele go kgokgontshiwa, gotwe tsena mo dintweng, ga se tsone, dilo tse o di dirang o le mo phathing o re o o se motho wa dintwa. Fela ka bo gone ga se tsamaiso tsamaisa Puso, ga se tsone. Ke lebaka la bobedi la floor ya puso ya batho ka batho, mme e bile ga go fe botlhale crossing e ka nna teng. Re gakologelwa phathi nngwe gore motho o ka nna a nnela gone foo. kwa lefatsheng lengwe, kwa mongwe a neng a busiwa Se re tshwanelwang ke go se tlhaloganya ke gore, the mo kgorong ya phathi e nngwe a tshwere membership electoral system e re e dirisang ya First-Past-The-Post, a tsena, a fiwa maemo gotwe bowa koo, se name o constituency based electoral system ke yone e e dirang tsamaile. Dilo tse di dira gore Mapalamente ba kgone gore go nne le floor crossing. Ke yone konokono ya go tsamaya. O fitlhela e le gore motho yo fa o mmotsa floor crossing. Fa re baakanya Constitution le electoral gore o ne a tsamaela eng, a re heela, moeteledipele yole system, then floor crossing ga e ka ke ya nna teng, ka o dumela mo go ba gabone, mo region e a tswang mo gore ga go a tlhophiwa wena, go tlhophilwe phathi. go yone. Moeteledipele yole le fa ke na le capacity e ke Jaanong you will be crossing o ya kae when the party is nang nayo, fela ka gore ga ke wa gabone, ga a bone ke not crossing? Kgang e tona ga se go alafa fa go babang le motho wa sepe, mme botoka ke tsamaye ke ye kwa teng, ke go alafa se se dirang gore go babe. A wholesale go ba ke ka tshelang teng. Gone moo fela ka bogone, Constitutional review ke yone e e tlhokafalang, mme go tshwara batho ba ka molao mme o se motho yo o kana fa o ka tsaya ditso tsa floor crossing mo lefatsheng ikanyegang, ga go ka ke ga isa lefatshe gope, e bile it is la rona, Domkrag e tswa kgakala e le the one that benefits, not in the interest of the country. mo ditsong tsa floor crossing. E dirisa meamuso ya ga MR SPEAKER: Elucidation Honourable Taolo. Please Goromente to benefit mo floor crossing. Gompieno the switch off your microphone Honourable Kekgonegile. thinking within the current political crop…

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. jalo, ke eng ba bangwe o kare kwa Domkrag ba sebete se molangwana, ba batla molao o tota. Kgang e tona ke MR KEORAPETSE: On a point of elucidation Mr gore jaaka ba ntse jaana, ka ba bangwe ke ditsala tsa rona, Speaker. O ikutlwa jang mokaulengwe ka kgang e e bo e le gore ba solofeditswe sengwenyana, maemo Tautona yo o tlang gompieno a tlhabeletsa kgang ya jaaka bo Assistant Minister, ba solofeditswe reshuffling. gore Mapalamente le Makhanselara ba ye by-elections Ba bangwe ba solofetse bo Speaker le Deputy Speaker. ene a sena by-election, go ne go sena lebokoso la boraro Ba bangwe ka ba ne ba itse gore ba mo ditlhophong fela mo ditlhophong? Sa bobedi, ke botsa gore, o ikutlwa to participate, tota they are not competing. Ka letsatsi jang mokaulengwe ka Tautona yo e leng gore le fa a la fa ditlhopho di sena go fela, motho a ipaakanya a ya ka tsuolola Molaomotheo kana molao ope fela, ga go morakeng, o busitswe mo tseleng gotwe, heela! you na le fa e le clause ya impeachment, ke gore fa a le have won. A sa itse gore constituency ya gagwe go na foo o tsene, mme e bile o ka phatlalatsa Palamente e e le strategy se se dirwang ka fa morago, e felela kwa bo tlhophilweng ke batho, ba a reng o a ba buelela. At any Gudigwa, ga e felele fela gone fa. Ke ba ba kgonneng time for any reason o ka phatlalatsa Palamente, mme a go bona phenyo ka ntata ya phathi, ba sa itse gore go sa tlhophiwa ka lebokoso la boraro. O ikutlwa jang ka dirilwe eng ka fa morago. Motho fa a ntse jalo, ga a ka kgang eo mokaulengwe? ke a tlhoka go sireletsa phathi at all costs. Ga a yo mo MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Mr Speaker. Tanki democracy le in the interest of the nation, mme o mo phathing. Honourable Member. Go ntse fela jalo. Kana the direct election of the president ke yone konokono. Ke sone Mr Speaker… selo se Batswana ba se batlang, e seng gore mang o dule kae, a ya kae, ka gore yo o duleng kae a ya kae, ASSISTANT MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL Batswana fa e le gore ga ba mmatle, ba tlaa ya go mo AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC supegetsa gore nnyaa, golo fale re ne re sa tlhophe wena ADMINISTRATION (MR MTHIMKHULU): re ne re tlhopha phathi. Fa e le gore ba a mmatla, ba tlaa On a point of clarification Mr Speaker. Honourable mo tlhopha, after only four or five years ditlhopho di a Kekgonegile, o tlhalose gore a fa o bona this amendment boelela. So re ngwaya fa go sa babeng teng, Honourable ya floor crossing e ka pasa mo Palamenteng, e ka se ke Segokgo. e thuse UDC gore e kitlane botoka go na le ka fa e leng ka teng? Ka gore gompieno President wa teng ga a yo MR SEGOKGO: Clarification. Ke a leboga Mr fa, mme o kare jaanong ba bangwe ba batla go mo ntsha Speaker. Ke a leboga Honourable Member. Ke ne mo bo president, e bile ba bangwe ba batla go tsamaya ke utlwa o bua gore fa go ka nna le Proportional ka seats tse dintsi ba boela kwa phathing ya bone ya Representation ga go ka ke ga nna le floor crossing, fa e BCP, ga sala BNF e na le seats di le three fela. Jaanong le gore ke ne ka go utlwa sentle, gongwe golo gongwe ga o bone gore molao o o ka dira gore le kokoane le nne ke ne ke sa go utlwa. Ke botsa gore, kwa Aferika Borwa sentle, le kgone gore le nne seoposengwe? ba dirisa Proportional Representation mme a ga go mo molaong wa bone gore ba na le a floor crossing window? MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Mr Speaker. Maloba morago ga State of the Nation Address (SONA) MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki. Ga go na floor crossing Honourable Mthimkhulu a sena to respond, batho ba kwa South Africa at parliamentary level. Floor crossing Zola, ba Gaborone South, ke fa ba re, “hei! Mopalamente kwa South Africa happens at council level, it does wa rona has responded, kana mathata a rona ke Khama not happen at parliamentary level. What happens at le UDC. O a buile ammaaruri ditlhabololo di tlaa goroga parliamentary level ke gore, motho resigns from phathi mo kgaolong ya rona.” You can do much better than that e bo e mo ntsha mo Palamenteng, because he or she is Honourable Member. no longer a member, a bo a ya to join phathi ele. Then phathi ele ke yone e mo tlisang back to Parliament. Ga HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… a tswe straight a ya kwa phathing ele, a bo a tsena mo MR KEKGONEGILE: Mr Speaker, re ngwaya Palamenteng by moving from this seat to that seat, like fa go sa babeng teng. Mathata a rona ka tsamaiso ya re dira kwano. ditlhopho mo lefatsheng la rona ke gore Batswana ba re Issue e nngwe ke ya gore, kana motho fa a le kwa ba batla political party funding. MaChina le maeng ba lelwapeng, o ka ipotsa gore naare gone mme fa go ntse ba tseelwang madi malatsi otlhe ba, ba kokonetswe, ke

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sone se itsholelo e sa goleng, ka gore le tshwara madi because se re se dirang ke gore we are reviewing the a a godisang itsholelo a ise a goroge kwa go godiseng Constitution in dribs and drabs. Ke eng re sa dire review itsholelo. all the way? Ke eng mo manifesto wa lona le ne le sa kwale gore e tlaa re fa le tsena pele ga review of the Kwa kgaolong e ke tswang kwa go yone, go na le Constitution le ya go pateletsa Mapalamente gore ba Mokhanselara yo mongwe yo e seng wa diphathi tsa rona, nne golo go le gongwefela ba se ka ba ya gope? Ke eng yo e leng gore e sa le a fenya ditlhopho, ga a ise a ye kwa fa le reile batho le re le ya to review the Constitution kgaolong, ga a ise a buise le fa e le Kgotla meeting. Ga a yotlhe mme le sa bua ka movement in dribs and drabs? ise a kopane le fa e le Village Development Committee (VDC). Fa ke buisa diphuthego koo ba mpotsa gore, Mogopolo o Mr Speaker, ga se o o ka re isang gope re le “Mopalamente, naare yo o senkeng a re thusa, le go lefatshe; this kind of thinking e e leng gore boeteledipele re tlhola yo o kareng ga se moemedi wa rona, re dire jwa lefatshe le bo batla go busa batho ka seroophate jang gore re ikuele ka ene?” Batswana ba batla to recall le Mapalamente tota. Ke gore fa Mopalamente a moemedi yo e leng gore ga a ba emela sentle. Ke sone patelediwa gore a re “ee” mme fa go sa nne jalo o se ba se batlang. Batswana ba batla gore fa go sena go tseelwa maemo, what about a person on the street? nna le ditlhopho go balelwe kwa matlhophelong, go se What about Motswana yo o beileng gore Goromente ke ka ga siiwa ka ballot boxes jaaka tse dingwe tse re neng ene a ka mo fang tsela ya ditlhabololo? Ene jaanong o re di bona go siiwa ka tsone ke batho ba ba neng ba sa mo legoeleleng. Mogopolo o, ga se o o ka re isang gope tlhophise mo kgaolong e nngwe e e bapileng le rona. Ba Mr Speaker, ga ke o eme nokeng (support). batla gore go balelwe mo matlhophelong, gore results di tswe ka bonako. MR SALESHANDO: Procedure. Mr Speaker, e ne e le go go gakolola gore sebui se se sa tswang go fetsa, e First Past the Post has marginalised and isolated batho rile se simolola o bo o re o tlaa tla o re bolelela gore a ba bantsi le sectors tse dintsi tse e ka bong e le baemedi re okeditse ka two hours kana two and half ka gore fa e ba le fa. le gore ke two hours, re ka bo re dule ka 6:00 p.m., that would have meant gore re bo re dule ka 8:00 p.m. Fa re tsweletse re dirisa first-past-the-post, ga re ka ke ra nna le palo ya bomme e e tshwanetseng mo Palamenteng MR SPEAKER: Coming to that leader. Thank you le gore banalebogole ga ba ka ke ba nna teng. Batswana very much. Order! Order! Our normal finishing time is ba re Palamente e nne independent. Golo mo ga rona 6:00 p.m. which is 1800 hours. Then there was a Motion ga gore fa re batla sengwe re bo re ntse re kopa kwa moved to the effect that we should increase by extra ministry wa ga Honourable Morwaeng… o kile wa bona two and half hours. From 6:00 p.m. plus two and half, it kae another arm of Government e kopa from another makes 8:30 p.m. So, exactly 8:30 p.m. re tlaabo re fetsa one, a ke ditshwetso dife kana dife? Batswana ba batla re tlhopha. Go raya gore gompieno he is the last man Parliamentary independence... who is going to contribute and that is Honourable Sam Justice Brooks. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. MR TSOGWANE: Procedure. Bagaetsho, ke a bo HONOURABLE MEMBER: O itse gore re a utlwana. ke gakgamala gore le wena ba go tsenya mo tsietsing, Clarification. Leader of the Opposition a bo a go botsa. Golo fa go MR KEKGONEGILE: …(Laughter!)…Batswana tlhophetswe Motion, ga go a okediwa. Motion o o ba batla direct election of the President. Ga ke oketsang has been voted for. Ga ke itse gore a ba ne ba dumalane le mogopolo o ka gore o akantswe ka mpa, tlhopha fela ba sa itse gore ba tlhophela eng. They could e seng ka tlhaloganyo. O akantswe go tsewa gore fa have voted ba le alert ba itse gore go tlhophelwa eng. Fa o tseela Mopalamente thata ya gagwe, go raya gore o e le gore Leader of the Opposition voted a no fela a sa tlaabo o mo laola. O bolaya independent thinking of itse se a se ganang, go a gakgamatsa. Parliamentarians. Ga ke dumalane le one. Mogopolo MR SPEAKER: Thank you Your Honour, mme ke ba o o na le selfish tendencies tsa Domkrag, ga o genuine. gakolotse gore there was a Motion that was brought to Mogopolo o ga se one konokono ya mathata a rona fa the floor which was agreed to. re lebile tsamaiso ya ditlhopho mo lefatsheng le. It is a minor issue. We have big issues which we could be MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure. I stand on a point addressing. Mogopolo o Mr Speaker, ga o re berekele of procedure ka dikgang tse pedi. Ya ntlha Mr Speaker,

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ke ya gore e se ka ya nna o kare we were not paying tshwanetseng ka tsenya leitlho le le tseneletseng mo go attention. If you were to review Hansard, o tlaa lemoga one. Ke dumela gore Molaomotheo o ke tshwanetseng gore le Speaker yo o neng a ntse foo, on different times, ka o baakanya fa, ke one o ne ke neng ke o dirisa fa ke o ne a re two hours, a tla boa a re two hours 30 minutes. ipapatsa ke tsamaya ntlo le ntlwana, ke tsere dibetsa tsa Ke sure ka se ke buang ka sone, o ye go tlhola Hansard. ipapatso ka fa tlase ga legwafa Mr Speaker, ke bua le So, it is not that we were not paying attention. Batswana.

Sa bobedi, o ne o re e tlaa re ka 8:30 p.m. re bo re fetsa MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, Standing re tlhopha mme boammaaruri ke gore re tlaabo re sa Order 14.1; ke go file seat fa o nnang teng. tlhophe but re tlaabo re adjourn, ke dumela jalo. MR BROOKS: Ke sone se e rileng fa ke tsamaya mo MR SPEAKER: Re tlaabo re tlhopha sir. Nna fa fatshe Batswaneng, sengwe sa dilo tse ba neng ba ntaya ka ke go gakolole Mopalamente. sone e ne e le gore re lapisitswe ke go tlhopha batho ba ba tlolang ka ditilo tsa rona, ba e reng re ba tlhophile HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa. gore ba ye go re buelela ba bo ba ela dikeletso tsa bone. Fa ke ne ke ba tlhaloganya sentle, ba ne ba raya gore MR SPEAKER: Fa o re nnyaa o a gana. Kgang jaaka ba ne ba ntlhophile ke ne ke tla ke apere kapari kgolo ke gore re dumalane bagaetsho. Let me speak in e ke neng ke e apere, ba tlhomamisa gore ka nako eo Setswana. Fa le ne le itse Sekalaka, ke ka bo ke se bua. ba ne ba dumela mo go reng ke ya go tswa fela ka Kgang kgolo ke gore re dumalane gore the chapter on letsatsi le ka fa Molaomotheo o re o lebileng o reng go the table tonight re a e fetsa. That is the reason why re tlaabo go phatlaladiwa Palamente ka lone. Ka go rialo ne re oketsa ka two and half hours. Ke gakologelwa His Mr Speaker, ke batla go ema paakanyo e nokeng, ke sa Honour the Vice President a bua gore kamoso go na le ošhaošhe. Mr Speaker... Bills tse dintsi thata, a bo a bua bontsi jwa tsone… MR SALESHANDO: Point of clarification. Ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Correction sir. tlhaloso fela e e seng thata, wa re batho ba Kgalagadi South ba go reile ba re ba lapisitswe ke batho ba ba ba MR SPEAKER: Ke santse ke eme ka dinao rraetsho, tlhophang, ba bo ba tsamaya ka ditalama le mebala ya ke kopa o ntlotle. Bagaetsho, re tsere tshwetso… bone? Re bolelele gore batho ba Kgalagadi, ba ne ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… bua ka kile ba phuaganngwa ke mang, go supa gore go boammaaruri gore batho ba Kgalagadi fa ba re ba MR SPEAKER: …the House and that is why go ne ga lapisitswe, ba raya ba bone mo Kgalagadi; Makhanselara tlhophiwa. kana Mapalamente afe who crossed the floor?

…Silence… MR BROOKS: Se re se buang jaaka ke eme ke bua mo Palamenteng e jaana Mr Speaker, ke reeditswe e bile ke MR SPEAKER: I was conferring with my very able bonwa ke motho yo o kwa Okavango. Ke reediwa ke and committed staff. Ke bone bagakolodi ba me ka Motswana yo o kwa letlhakoreng le lengwe la kgaolo ya gore ba bangwe ba ba tshwanang le bo Keorapetse, ke lefatshe la Botswana. Ba ba dumelang gore ka tlhopho ba ba ka mpolayang. Ke a tshameka ngwanaka. Re ne epe ya bone, ba tlhopha jalo go batla go aga... re oketsa nako go leka go oketsa dibui. So far go buile batho ba le 32. Go raya gore the debate shall continue HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... up to tomorrow, until that time go tlaabo go buile ba le bantsi. Once more Honourable Members, I pray for MR SPEAKER: May we have order please! your cooperation, coordination and coherence, more HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)... especially wena, o a nkgakgamatsa gompieno. Thank you Honourable Lefoko Keorapetse. MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Brooks, can we have order please. MR BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): Thank you Mr Speaker go o bo o mphile nako gore le nna ke HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)... latlhele mo kgannyeng e re e beilweng pele ya paakanyo ya Molaomotheo. Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore ke MR SPEAKER: Honourable Brooks, o boditswe potso tsene mo Ntlong e ka Molaomotheo o gompieno ke fela e e tlhamaletseng Motlotlegi Mopalamente. Mo

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arabe fela gore re se ka ra tsosetsana dikgang. Gone ke go sireleditse, you are basking under the glory of my protection, o se ka wa tshwenyega. Mo fe boammaaruri.

MR BROOKS: Mr Speaker, ba rialo ka lebaka la gore Motswana mongwe le mongwe o letlelelwa go tlhopha kwa a batlang teng. Jaanong, ke batla gore ke tlhamalale ke buelele Batswana ke le Mopalamente wa Kgalagadi South, ke dumalana le molao o o tlaa amang le ene motho yo o kwa Okavango Mr Speaker...

MR KEORAPETSE: Point of procedure. Nnyaa, o gakolole Honourable Brooks a se ka a timetsa batho. A re Motswana mongwe le mongwe o letlelelwa go tlhopha kwa a batlang teng. Ga go a nna jalo, tsamaya o ye go bala Electoral Act, o bue ka Kgalagadi. Gape o se ka wa pateletsa batho ba kwa Kgalagadi, ga ba ise ba go rome jalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Murmurs)...

MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Resume your seat Honorable Member, may we have order please. Thank you Honourable Members.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: ...(Inaudible)...

MR SPEAKER: Ke tsile go ba laola Your Excellency. Ke yone nako e re e dumalaneng batsadi gore, e tlaa re gompieno re ye boikhutsong. Ka go rialo, I shall be asking His Honour the Vice President in his position as the Leader of this Honourable House, to move a Motion of adjournment.

MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker, ke sutise gore Ntlo e e tle fa bokhutlong jwa dipuisanyo tsa letsatsi leno. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Gongwe pele ke le phatlalatsa, ka le tšhaisitse bosigo, re le diretse metsinyana kafa, ka Serolong.

Question put and agreed to.

The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 8:36 p.m. until Thursday 10th December, 2020 at 11:00 a.m.

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HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa, Ms M. Madubeko

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