Why Does Latter-Day Saint Art Matter? with Jennifer Champoux Released May 8
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Latter-day Saint Perspectives Podcast Episode 106: Why Does Latter-day Saint Art Matter? with Jennifer Champoux Released May 8, 2019 This is not a verbatim transcript. Some wording has been modified for clarity. Laura Harris Hales: Hello, this is Laura Harris Hales. I’m here today with Jenny Champoux, who has an interesting background. You have a master’s in art history, but that’s not what you started out studying. Do you want to tell us a little bit about your background? Jennifer Champoux: Sure. Thank you. When I was at Brigham Young University, I got my undergraduate degree in international politics and political science, and I did a minor in art history. I went on an art history study abroad to Europe and then ended up writing an honors thesis paper on a Flemish artist and just fell in love with the research and writing process in art history. I realized that that was really what I love to do. I decided to pursue a master’s degree in art history, and I took some extra art history classes, learned French, and did my graduate work at Boston University studying Dutch art of the Golden Age, Baroque art. Laura Harris Hales: You lecture part-time on art history right now, don’t you? Jennifer Champoux: I do. I’m adjunct faculty at Northeastern University. Laura Harris Hales: Our discussion today is based on your article “Wise or Foolish: Women in Mormon Biblical Narrative Art,” published in the summer 2018 issue of BYU Studies Quarterly, which is a tough venue. So congratulations. Jennifer Champoux: I was very excited. Laura Harris Hales: What motivated you to write about religious visual imagery? Jennifer Champoux: Well, I’m coming from a background studying Flemish and Dutch art from the 15th to 17th centuries. I have studied a lot of art that has religious content and symbolism, and I thought a lot about the ways that religious belief can influence artistic styles and depictions. For example, I have always been interested in the way Rubens, who was painting in Catholic Flanders in Antwerp, depicts biblical scenes so differently from Rembrandt who was just a hundred miles away in Protestant Amsterdam. Rubens is more focused on the narrative and these very heroic, larger-than-life figures and idealized flesh. A Rembrandt has a lot more inner drama, more of the focus on the individual, more psychological, a little less heroic, and a little more down to earth and gritty. I’ve always been interested in the way religious belief influences art. LDS Perspectives Podcast Episode 106: Why Does Latter-day Saint Art Matter? with Jennifer Champoux Jennifer Champoux: And that led me to think about our own Latter-day Saint art. I think we do have a lot of visual art. We are surrounded by it in our culture, but we don’t tend to engage with it very closely. Before moving to Virginia, we lived in Colorado. In the Relief Society room in Denver, we had on either side of the lectern two huge reproductions. On one side was Walter Rane’s “Five of Them Were Wise,” the parable of the ten virgins. On the other side was Minerva Teichert’s depiction of Jesus at the home of Mary and Martha. I sat there every Sunday trying to make sense of these two images and thinking about issues of placement. Why were these specific images chosen for the Relief Society room? How did they interact with each other? What’s the message they’re sending? Laura Harris Hales: Can you give us a little background on the different types of visual imagery? Jennifer Champoux: When we think of traditional visual arts, we might think of things like paintings, sculptures, or drawings, but it would also encompass things like crafts, photography, film, and architecture. In Latter-day Saint art that might mean temples and meetinghouses. There are also the larger categories of visual culture and material culture, which would include things like our texts— scriptures, manuals, other books and texts—historical sites, and personal devotional objects. That’s really not something that we often think about with Latter-day Saint culture. You might consider a CTR ring as a kind of a personal devotional object—something that you wear to remind you of your faith and to try to bring you closer to God. Jennifer Champoux: There’s also figural versus non-figural art. Figural art portrays people or animals, anthropomorphic images, whereas non-figural art can be a lot more geometric and abstract, sometimes even calligraphic or textual. Latter-day Saint art is not really tied to ritual practice. In some religions art actually plays a role in the way you interact with God or the way you perform a sacrament or an ordinance. Our Latter-day Saint chapels are usually sparse with very clean lines and hardly ever have art or painting or sculpture in the chapel. We don’t actually use art in any ritual way. Laura Harris Hales: Why is visual art important? Jennifer Champoux: Visual art has the power to elevate the senses, and that’s obviously important in a religious setting. It also has the power to express the intangible. The Italian renaissance artist and theorist Alberti wrote in De Pictura in 1435, “Painting can make the absent present.” Jennifer Champoux: I think art really does do that. We also use art to visualize scripture or history; it has an educational purpose in the way it communicates. Art can reveal a new way of thinking about the world or about an idea. http://www.ldsperspectives.com/2019/05/08/why-does-latter-…h-jenny-champoux/ Page 2 of 10 Episode 106: Why Does Latter-day Saint Art Matter? with Jennifer Champoux Laura Harris Hales: Latter-day Saints use art differently. I think that’s fairly obvious from the difference in how our chapels look. How does it differ? Have you noticed a common approach to how Latter-day Saint artists make art and how it’s displayed or used? Jennifer Champoux: A couple of weeks ago we took my daughter up to New York for the first time. She’s nine years old, and we took her in to Saint Patrick’s Cathedral. It was her first time going into a cathedral, and she was overwhelmed and amazed at the stained glass, the vaulted ceilings, the statues, and the huge organ pipes. I asked her what she thought and felt about the space. Did it feel special? She said, “Yeah, it felt special.” It felt sacred. It felt separate from the world in a special way. She actually turned to me and said, “Mom, if I went to church here, I wouldn’t be so bored in church because I’d have something to look at.” In our Latter-day Saint culture, we have more of this Protestant, iconoclast tradition of stripping down. Laura Harris Hales: We do have those special spaces, but it’s not where we worship weekly; it is in our temples. We set that place apart and make it full of beauty to help us get in a spiritual place. Jennifer Champoux: Yeah, I think you’re right, but in our weekly meetings, we are pretty casual about it. I’ve heard Terryl Givens talk about trying to listen to Stake Conference sitting under a basketball hoop on a metal folding chair in the gym overflow area. There is this Dutch painting by Emanuel de Witte of the 17th century Protestant Dutch Oude Kerk. Right in the middle there’s two little boys scribbling on a column of the church. Next to them there is another column and a little dog is lifting his leg up on the column. Then there is a broom just sort of propped up. I feel like I have been to ward parties that have been about this casual about the way we treat our meetinghouses. I think that’s a really interesting comparison. Jennifer Champoux: One of the reasons why I love Dutch art is because I see parallels between how modern Latter-day Saints and the Dutch people then are navigating between the sacred and the profane and renegotiating and collapsing those boundaries. The other part of your question was about how Latter-day Saint art works for people today. So, Latter- day Saint artwork functions in several ways. It can have more of a devotional purpose by drawing your mind to God; it can be didactic or used for teaching lessons and communicating. It can be appreciated just for its aesthetic qualities. The formal qualities in Latter-day Saint art tend towards the detailed and highly realistic. If you think of artists like Del Parson, Harry Anderson, Arnold Friberg, or Simon Dewey, their work is very realistic looking. Recently that’s begun to change a little bit. We have artists like J. Kirk Richards, Brian Kershisnik, and Jorge Cocco who are using a little bit more of a sketchy style. It’s a little more self-conscious of the http://www.ldsperspectives.com/2019/05/08/why-does-latter-…h-jenny-champoux/ Page 3 of 10 Episode 106: Why Does Latter-day Saint Art Matter? with Jennifer Champoux medium. I’ve seen some of their images appearing in the Ensign and the new Come, Follow Me manuals. That is an exciting change, and it’s just nice to have the variety. Laura Harris Hales: You mentioned that Latter-day Saint artists favor the realistic. How could these interpretations lead to misconceptions, especially in a global church? Jennifer Champoux: That’s a great question.