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S. HRG. 108–241, PT. 5 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2004 HEARINGS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON S. 1050 TO AUTHORIZE APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2004 FOR MILITARY ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, FOR MILITARY CON- STRUCTION, AND FOR DEFENSE ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, TO PRESCRIBE PERSONNEL STRENGTHS FOR SUCH FISCAL YEAR FOR THE ARMED FORCES, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES PART 5 EMERGING THREATS AND CAPABILITIES MARCH 14, 31; APRIL 9, 2003 ( Printed for the use of the Committee on Armed Services VerDate 11-SEP-98 16:35 Feb 18, 2004 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 6011 Sfmt 6011 87327.CON SARMSER2 PsN: SARMSER2 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2004—Part 5 EMERGING THREATS AND CAPABILITIES VerDate 11-SEP-98 16:35 Feb 18, 2004 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 6019 Sfmt 6019 87327.CON SARMSER2 PsN: SARMSER2 S. HRG. 108–241, PT. 5 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2004 HEARINGS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON S. 1050 TO AUTHORIZE APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2004 FOR MILITARY ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, FOR MILITARY CON- STRUCTION, AND FOR DEFENSE ACTIVITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, TO PRESCRIBE PERSONNEL STRENGTHS FOR SUCH FISCAL YEAR FOR THE ARMED FORCES, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES PART 5 EMERGING THREATS AND CAPABILITIES MARCH 14, 31; APRIL 9, 2003 ( Printed for the use of the Committee on Armed Services U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 87–327 PDF WASHINGTON : 2004 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate 11-SEP-98 16:35 Feb 18, 2004 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5011 Sfmt 5011 87327.CON SARMSER2 PsN: SARMSER2 COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES JOHN WARNER, Virginia, Chairman JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona CARL LEVIN, Michigan JAMES M. INHOFE, Oklahoma EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts PAT ROBERTS, Kansas ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia WAYNE ALLARD, Colorado JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama JACK REED, Rhode Island SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii JOHN ENSIGN, Nevada BILL NELSON, Florida JAMES M. TALENT, Missouri E. BENJAMIN NELSON, Nebraska SAXBY CHAMBLISS, Georgia MARK DAYTON, Minnesota LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina EVAN BAYH, Indiana ELIZABETH DOLE, North Carolina HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, New York JOHN CORNYN, Texas MARK PRYOR, Arkansas JUDITH A. ANSLEY, Staff Director RICHARD D. DEBOBES, Democratic Staff Director SUBCOMMITTEE ON EMERGING THREATS AND CAPABILITIES PAT ROBERTS, Kansas Chairman WAYNE ALLARD, COLORADO JACK REED, RHODE ISLAND SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts JOHN ENSIGN, Nevada ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia JAMES M. TALENT, Missouri JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut SAXBY CHAMBLISS, Georgia DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina BILL NELSON, Florida ELIZABETH DOLE, North Carolina EVAN BAYH, Indiana JOHN CORNYN, Texas HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, New York (II) VerDate 11-SEP-98 16:35 Feb 18, 2004 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 87327.CON SARMSER2 PsN: SARMSER2 C O N T E N T S CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES THE POSTURE OF U.S. JOINT FORCES COMMAND AND THE ROLE OF JOINT EXPERIMENTATION IN FORCE TRANSFORMATION MARCH 14, 2003 Page Giambastiani, Adm. Edmund P. Jr., USN, Commander, United States Joint Forces Command .................................................................................................. 5 Cebrowski, Vice Adm. Arthur K., USN (Ret.), Director, Office of Force Trans- formation, Office of the Secretary of Defense .................................................... 17 SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM AND THE ROLE OF DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE LABORATORIES MARCH 31, 2003 Wynne, Hon. Michael W., Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics ............................................................... 72 Kern, Gen. Paul J., USA, Commander, Army Materiel Command ..................... 80 Lyles, Gen. Lester L., USAF, Commander, Air Force Materiel Command ......... 88 Dyer, Vice Adm. Joseph W., USN, Commander, Naval Air Systems Command 99 U.S. SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND APRIL 9, 2003 Brown, Lt. Gen. Bryan D., USA, Deputy Commander, U.S. Special Operations Command; Accompanied by Harry E. Schulte, Acquisition Executive and Senior Procurement Executive, U.S. Special Operations Command; and Command Master Chief Richard M. Rogers, USN, U.S. Special Operations Command, Senior Enlisted Advisor .................................................................... 171 (III) VerDate 11-SEP-98 16:35 Feb 18, 2004 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 87327.CON SARMSER2 PsN: SARMSER2 DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2004 FRIDAY, MARCH 14, 2003 U.S. SENATE, SUBCOMMITTEE ON EMERGING THREATS AND CAPABILITIES, COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES, Washington, DC. THE POSTURE OF U.S. JOINT FORCES COMMAND AND THE ROLE OF JOINT EXPERIMENTATION IN FORCE TRANSFORMATION The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:33 a.m. in room SR–222, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Pat Roberts (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Committee members present: Senators Roberts, Dole, Reed, and Akaka. Majority staff members present: Charles W. Alsup, professional staff member; Carolyn M. Hanna, professional staff member; Greg- ory T. Kiley, professional staff member; and Joseph T. Sixeas, pro- fessional staff member. Minority staff members present: Richard W. Fieldhouse, profes- sional staff member; Maren R. Leed, professional staff member; and Arun A. Seraphin, professional staff member. Staff assistants present: Leah C. Brewer and Andrew W. Florell. Committee members’ assistants present: James Beauchamp, as- sistant to Senator Roberts; Henry J. Steenstra, assistant to Senator Dole; Frederick M. Downey and Aaron Scholer, assistants to Sen- ator Lieberman; Elizabeth King, assistant to Senator Reed; Davelyn Noelani Kalipi, assistant to Senator Akaka; and William K. Sutey, assistant to Senator Bill Nelson. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR PAT ROBERTS, CHAIRMAN Senator ROBERTS. The Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities will come to order. We meet this morning to receive testimony from the Commander of the U.S. Joint Forces Command (JFCOM), Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani, Jr., United States Navy and Vice Admiral (Ret.) Arthur K. Cebrowski—who if he is not the godfather of transformation, certainly is the god-prince, or maybe Machiavelli, or maybe all three wrapped up in one individ- ual. Admiral Cebrowski is the Director of the Office of Force Trans- formation, in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. We will discuss (1) VerDate 11-SEP-98 16:35 Feb 18, 2004 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00006 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 87327.021 SARMSER2 PsN: SARMSER2 2 the current and future role of joint experimentation on transform- ing our Armed Forces to meet the challenges of an increasingly complex, uncertain, and threatening future. Welcome, Senator Reed. Senator REED. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator ROBERTS. I want to welcome our two distinguished wit- nesses. We have before us two of America’s most able and willing public servants. Admiral Giambastiani, we congratulate you on your confirmation to this important position in October. This is your first appearance before this subcommittee in your new capac- ity, but I am sure it will not be your last. Your leadership role as the joint forces trainer, provider, integra- tor, and innovator is critical to the timely and coordinated trans- formation of our Armed Forces, and I am sure we will seek your counsel often, so we welcome you. Admiral Cebrowski, you served our Nation well as a highly deco- rated sailor, and now you have selflessly taken on this very dif- ficult and challenging chore of guiding the transformation of our Armed Forces, a concept around which many opinions abound. Some would say that they are unique and unprecedented ideas, and some would say brilliant and often controversial ideas that you have advocated while in the Navy, show you to be a man of vision and courage. We are fortunate to have you in this new role. I want to thank you for your past courtesy calls to me and suggestions to this subcommittee. You both are aware of the interest of this subcommittee, for strengthening our joint warfighting ability and our interest in the timely and meaningful transformation of our Armed Forces to meet the very different threats of the future. The testimony in this sub- committee in years past makes it clear that we have focused on many areas of joint military operations and capabilities. As Senator Reed knows, the passage of the Goldwater-Nichols Act in 1986 did initiate a process that has greatly changed the way our Armed Forces operate together. It puts into place processes to assess gaps in our joint capabilities and try to really identify the requirements to fix these gaps. Members of this subcommittee have been instrumental in getting a joint experimentation process initiated. I remember well my first trip to the Atlantic Command, that is what it was called in years past, and that was under the command of Admiral Gehman, and the difficulty staff and all of us had in obtaining any funding for any joint exercise. The events of September 11, however, changed a lot of things, in- cluding the urgency with which we need to review the capability of our Armed Forces to ensure that they are organized, trained, and equipped to be adaptable and capable of deterring and, if nec- essary, defeating known and emerging threats to our national secu- rity. We have the processes in place that should work, but we seem to relearn the same lessons in conflict after conflict. We also hear defense experts in and out of government really lament the lack of urgency for transformation, and our inability to rapidly acquire the new capabilities that we need.