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Hansard of the Clause-By-Clause Debate Regarding JP-10 JP-10 ISSN 1710-9442 Legislative Assembly Assemblée législative of Ontario de l’Ontario Second Session, 39th Parliament Deuxième session, 39e législature Official Report Journal of Debates des débats (Hansard) (Hansard) Thursday 7 April 2011 Jeudi 7 avril 2011 Standing Committee on Comité permanent Justice Policy de la justice Strong Communities through Loi de 2011 favorisant Affordable Housing Act, 2011 des collectivités fortes grâce au logement abordable Chair: Lorenzo Berardinetti Président : Lorenzo Berardinetti Clerk: Katch Koch Greffier : Katch Koch Hansard on the Internet Le Journal des débats sur Internet Hansard and other documents of the Legislative Assembly L’adresse pour faire paraître sur votre ordinateur personnel can be on your personal computer within hours after each le Journal et d’autres documents de l’Assemblée législative sitting. The address is: en quelques heures seulement après la séance est : http://www.ontla.on.ca/ Index inquiries Renseignements sur l’index Reference to a cumulative index of previous issues may be Adressez vos questions portant sur des numéros précédents obtained by calling the Hansard Reporting Service indexing du Journal des débats au personnel de l’index, qui vous staff at 416-325-7410 or 325-3708. fourniront des références aux pages dans l’index cumulatif, en composant le 416-325-7410 ou le 325-3708. Hansard Reporting and Interpretation Services Service du Journal des débats et d’interprétation Room 500, West Wing, Legislative Building Salle 500, aile ouest, Édifice du Parlement 111 Wellesley Street West, Queen’s Park 111, rue Wellesley ouest, Queen’s Park Toronto ON M7A 1A2 Toronto ON M7A 1A2 Telephone 416-325-7400; fax 416-325-7430 Téléphone, 416-325-7400; télécopieur, 416-325-7430 Published by the Legislative Assembly of Ontario Publié par l’Assemblée législative de l’Ontario JP-207 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO ASSEMBLÉE LÉGISLATIVE DE L’ONTARIO STANDING COMMITTEE ON COMITÉ PERMANENT JUSTICE POLICY DE LA JUSTICE Thursday 7 April 2011 Jeudi 7 avril 2011 The committee met at 0902 in committee room 1. The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): So we’ll start with schedule 1, section 1, and I’ll ask if there’s any debate on schedule 1, section 1. STRONG COMMUNITIES THROUGH Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Again, could you direct us to AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACT, 2011 which amendment, which motion— LOI DE 2011 FAVORISANT The Clerk Pro Tem (Mr. Trevor Day): There’s no DES COLLECTIVITÉS FORTES amendment to that section. GRÂCE AU LOGEMENT ABORDABLE Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Okay. Consideration of Bill 140, An Act to enact the The Clerk Pro Tem (Mr. Trevor Day): Right now, Housing Services Act, 2011, repeal the Social Housing currently, there’s no amendment to section 1, schedule 1. Reform Act, 2000 and make complementary and other The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): We’re only amendments to other Acts / Projet de loi 140, Loi going to focus on the schedule. édictant la Loi de 2011 sur les services de logement, The Clerk Pro Tem (Mr. Trevor Day): We’d be abrogeant la Loi de 2000 sur la réforme du logement actually voting on whether to carry that section in the social et apportant des modifications corrélatives et schedule. autres à d’autres lois. The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Is there any The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Good morn- debate? Ms. Cansfield? ing. Let’s call this meeting to order. Just to start here, this Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield: I’m just getting clarifica- is the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill 140 and this tion. is the Standing Committee on Justice Policy on Thurs- The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Again, day, April 7, 2011. we’re dealing only with the schedules for now until either Just before we start, I want the committee to know that Mrs. Savoline or Mrs. Elliott gets here, as a courtesy. So Ms. Savoline is stuck in an elevator and she’s on her we would start, then, with the sections inside the sche- way. We don’t know how long it will take, but I just dule. There are no amendments to section 1 of the schedule. wanted to ask for unanimous consent to hold down the Is everyone clear? We’ll get to schedule 1, section 2, in a first three sections of the bill, 1, 2 and 3. There are no moment, but I just wanted to deal with schedule 1, amendments here, but as a courtesy to hold those down section 1. There are no amendments to this section. and go straight into schedule 1 and deal with the amend- Shall section 1 of schedule 1 carry? All those in ments that are there. Is that okay? favour? Carried. Ms. Cheri DiNovo: So where are we going to be Now we go to schedule 1, section 2. This is our first starting? amendment. It’s an NDP amendment. It’s on page The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): We would number 1. Ms. DiNovo. be starting with the first NDP motion. Ms. Cheri DiNovo: I wanted to start by quoting from Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Okay. a letter from a special rapporteur from the United The Clerk Pro Tem (Mr. Trevor Day): Because Nations— sections 1, 2 and 3 are more the enacting, with the con- The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Sorry, I sent of the committee, we’re going to move to the sche- have to interject. dules to deal with them first. So we’d be starting with Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Shall I move the amendment section 1 of schedule 1. first? Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Which motion are we dealing The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Yes. with? Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Okay. Fair enough. The Clerk Pro Tem (Mr. Trevor Day): Right now, I move that section 2 of schedule 1 to the bill be there is no amendment to that particular section. The first amended by adding the following definition: amendment deals with section 2 in schedule 1. So once “‘accessible housing’ means housing that accommo- we get through section 1 of schedule 1, then we’d move dates the needs of persons with disabilities, as required to section 2. by the Human Rights Code and by the Convention on the Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Okay. Rights of Persons with Disabilities, based on the JP-208 STANDING COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE POLICY 7 APRIL 2011 principles of identifying and eliminating obstacles and been picked up by the United Nations, who also would barriers to accessibility and of providing access to want a recounting. appropriate support services for community living;” 0910 The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): If you want Miloon Kothari says, “I also intend to keep my col- to speak to it— league, Raquel Rolnik, the current special rapporteur on Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Absolutely. I wanted to quote adequate housing, informed of these developments. She from a letter from a UN special rapporteur on housing. will also be keenly following progress on this bill with a It’s not every day that a provincial government is found view to including it in the follow-up report she will be in contradiction to the obligations under international preparing on my mission to Canada for the UN Human human rights law, but that is what the rapporteur is Rights Council on the implementation of my recom- saying—without amendments that indicate very directly mendations.” and speak to the issue of housing as a human right. This This letter—from the United Nations, no less—is is one of them; it’s not the only amendment. This letter, available to all who would like to see it. and I’m happy to copy it for everyone, essentially says It’s a very sad day when we vote down this amend- that without these amendments, Ontario will be in defi- ment. ance of the UN’s codes on human rights, international The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Any further human rights law, to ensure the right to adequate hous- debate? ing. All those in favour of the amendment? All opposed? I think that’s embarrassing; I think it’s outrageous. The amendment does not carry. Not only are we, then, a national embarrassment, since We’ll move, then, to the second motion, which is an we spend less on housing than in any other province, but NDP motion. Ms. DiNovo. we also become an international embarrassment. That is Ms. Cheri DiNovo: I move that section 2 of schedule essentially why this amendment was tabled, and there are 1 to the bill be amended by adding the following defini- a few others along the same lines. And, of course, it was tion: asked for by a number of our stakeholders, from regis- “‘affordable housing’ means housing that is available tered nurses, a recommendation from a recent Senate at a cost to a household, after taking into consideration report headed by Art Eggleton, and many others. So that any financial assistance available to the household, that is the backdrop to this. does not compromise the household’s ability to meet The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Any further other needs;” debate? The Chair (Mr. Lorenzo Berardinetti): Would you Mrs. Donna H. Cansfield: We will not be supporting like to speak to it? this particular motion. We believe that accessibility is Ms. Cheri DiNovo: Absolutely. I point out the very proposed to be included in the regulations; that access- simple fact that nowhere in this bill are the words ibility for housing for persons with disabilities is also “affordable housing” mentioned. This is presumably a addressed through the Accessibility for Ontarians with housing plan, developed quite late, after months of depu- Disabilities Act, 2005; and that the Human Rights Code tations, yet we have no definition of affordable housing.
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