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3; The Retail Clerks' Union; Barbers' Union; Bookbinders and By Mr. SHE:CL: Petition of I. R. Marshall and others, citizens Hulers' Union; Trunkmakers' Union; Furniture Movers' Union; of Columbia, S. C., favoring the passage of the Manderson­ Local, No. 98, of United Association of Journeymen Plumbers; Hainer bill-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post­ Carpenters and Joiners' Union No. 10; Brotherhood of Painters, Roads. No. 37; Detroit Division, No. !,Brotherhood of LocomotiV'e En­ By M1·. CHARLES W. STONE: Petition of 104 citizens of gineers; the German Typographical Union No. 21; Metal Pol­ Pleasantville, Pa., in favor oi the passage of House bill 5246, ishers' Union No.1; Detroit Street Railway Employes' Associ­ to restrict immigration-to the Committee on Immigration and ation, and .Machinery Molders' Union, in support of govern­ Naturalization. mental ownership of telegraphs-to the Committee on the Post­ By Mr. UPDEGRAFF: Petition of Dyke & Olds, of Charles Office and Post-Roads. City, Iowa, against any increase in the rate of postage on news­ Also, observations of Charles E. Miller, member of Columbia papers-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. Typographical Union, No. 101, of Washington, D. C., on the Also, petition of P. J. Oswold, of Cresco, Iowa, against an in­ same subject-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post­ come tax on national building and loan associations-to the Com- Roads. ( mittee on Ways and Means. • Also, protest of the following Evangelical Lutheran congre­ By Mr. WISE: Petition of Richard M. Taylor and others, of ~ations of Detroit, Mich.: St. Peters, Stepheness, Emmaus, Richmond, Va., to exempt beneficial societies from income tax­ Bethel, Zions, Trinity, and Bethany, against the proposed change to the Committee on Ways and Means. in the preamble of the Constitution of the United States-to the Committee on the Judiciary. Also, resolutions of Lincoln Council, No.1, Junior Order of United American Mechanics; Wolverine Council, No.2, Detroit SENATE. Council, No.3, in favor of restricting immigration-to the Com­ mittee on Immigration and Naturalization. SATURDAY, May 12, 1894. By Mr. HARRIS: R~solutions by the Butler County (Kans.) Alliance, in favor of right of petition-to the Committee on Re- The Senate met at 11 o'clock a.m. vision of the Laws. Prayer by Rev. BYRON SUNDERLAND, D. D., of the city of By Mr. McCREARY of Kentucky: Petition of Mallory C. Washington. Corey for pension-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. The Vice-President being absent, the President pro tempore By Mr. McETTRICK: -Petition of Nathan Hatch and others, took the chair. that publications of fraternal societies or regularly incorporated The PRESIDENT p1·o tempore. It being perfectly apparent institutions of learning shall be admitted to the mails as second- that there is no quorum present, the Secretary will call the roll class matter-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post- of the Senate. Roads. The Secretary called the roll, and the following Senators an- By Mr. McRAE: Petition of J. A. Proctor, executor of J. B. swered to their names: Rumph, deceased, praying that his claim be referred to the Allen, Daniel, Hunton, Patton, Court of Claims-to the Committee on War Claims. ~~~~· Davis, fo~s, Ark. ~~~~fns, · By Mr. MAHON: Petition of Methodist Preachers' Associa- can, B~~~ McLaurin, Sherman, tion of Harrisburg, Pa., in relation to providing for chaplains, Chandler, Frye, McPherson, Turpie, ~!~~~ls, etc:, for the Army-to the Committee on Military Af- ~l~m, ~~~~is. ~~~~}~·Wis. ~he. By Mr. FITHIAN: Petition of Bdyd&Ward,editorsandpub- Mr. ALLEN. Mr. President, is the Senate ready to transact lishers, Casey, Ill., protesting against an increase in postage on ousiness? secoad-classmail matter-to the Committee on the Post-Office The PRESIDENT pro tempore. No quorum being present, no and Post-Roads. business can be transacted. By Mr. HARTER: Petition and resolution of the Union Vet- Mr. ALLEN. I move that the Sergeant-at-Arms be directed eran Legion urging the passage of the per diem service pension to request the attendance of absent Senators. bill, to grant pensions for service in the Army, Navy, or Marine The motion was agreed to. Corps of the United States-to the Committee on Invalid Pen- The PRESIDENT p1·o tem.pore. The Sergeant-at-Arme will sions. execute the order of the Senate. By Mr. HICKS: Petition of citizens of Kingwood, Pa., and Mr.- MILLS, Mr. TELLER, Mr. COCKRELL, Mr. HOAR, Mr. vicinity,for the passage of House bill5246, for restricting immi- RoACH, Mr. QUAY, Mr. SHOUP, Mr. McMILLAN, Mr. JARVIS, gration-to the Committee on Immigration and Naturalization. Mr. PUGH, and Mr. VOORHEES entered the Chamber and an­ By Mr. HUDSON: Petition of Lincoln A. Lockwood and 19 swered to their names. others, Chautauqua County, Kans., against Wilson tariff bill- Mr. HALE (at 11 o'clock and 20 minutes a.m.). Has not the to the Committee on Ways and Means. call developed the presence of a quorum? Also, petition and resolution of State officers of Kansas, favor- The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair is sorry to state ing the retention of Samuel Crocker as a member of a commit- not quite. · tee to reapportion Oklahoma Territory-to the Committee on Mr HALE. I notice that the seats on this side of the Cham- the Territories. ber are quite full, and I supposed there must be at least a quorum Bv Mr. MORSE: Petition of W. G. · Corthell, a citizen of here. Quillcy, Mass., and Joseph B. Leonard and 2 other citizens of Mr. ALLISON. Would it be in order to hke a brief recess? Avon, Mass., protesting against increasing the postage on books The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair holds that it is issued in serial form-to the Committee on the Post-Office and a1 ways in order to move a recess. Post-Roads. Mr. BLACKBURN and Mr. PETTIGREW entered the Chamber Also, petition of the Methodist Preachers' Meeting of Boston and answered to their names. and vicinity, indorsing that section of the army appropriation Mr. ALLISON. I move that the Senate take a recess of, say, bill relating to the employment of chaplains at army posts where twenty minutes. none are stationed-to the Committee on Military Affairs. Mr. COCKRELL. I hope not. By Mr. PERKINS: Petition of W. J. Smith, O'Leary, Iowa, Mr. TELLER. I rise to a question of order. I do not under- and Kellion& O'Day, Danbury, Iowa, opposing increase of post- stand that the Senate can take a recess without a quorum. We ageonsecond-class.matter-to the Committee on the Post-Office can do nothing but request the attendance of absent Senators. and Post-Roads. The PRESIDENT pro te-mpore. The Chair sustains the ques- By Mr. PHILLlPS: Petition of 104 citizens of Butler County, tion ot order, and was in error in answering the Senator from Pa., for the passage of House bill 5246, restricting immigra- Iowa as the Chair answered, not thinking of the fact that we are . tion-to the Committee on Immigration and Naturalization. proceeding without a quorum. It requires the Senate to take a By Mr. SIPE: Petition of Flatwoods Council, No. 965, Junior recess. . Order United American Mechanics, of Flatwoods, Pa., praying Mr. SHERMAN. I ask that the list of absentees be called. for passage of Stone's immigration bill-to the Committee on Fifteen or twenty minutes have now elapsed since the attendance Immigration and Naturalization. of absent Senators was requested. Also, memorial of letter-carriers of Newark, N. J., favoring The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair directs the Secre- the passage of House bill 5294, regulating tenure ot position- tary to call the roll of absent Senators. to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. The Secretary called the names of the absentees. Also, memorial of Letter Carriers' Association, No. 258, of I Mr. BATE ent~red the Chamber and answered to his name. Reading, Pa., prefei!I'ing the passage of bill 5294, relating to Mr. DOLPH. It is at some inconvenience that we come hers tenure of position, to 6685, relating to salary-to the Committee so early, and there seems to ~e a loss of valuable time. :Many of on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. us would like to go out and v1ew the fresh verdure and get the 4654 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. MAY 12, fresh air. It is Saturday, also, and I move- that the- Senate' ad- dressed to me from Wi.ll.ia.m. C. Aka and James T. Price, of journ. MountErie,.ill., andA._J}. Mallory, of Batavia, Ill., in the na­ ],1r. CHANDLER. I think that would be a.. violation of the- ture of petitions, praying that the income tax on building- and unanimous agreement. · loan associations be stricken from the pending tariff bilL I pre- Mr. DOLPH. I did not know we we'I'e proceeding under a sent them as petitions, and move that they lie on the table. unanimous agreement. . The motion was agreed to. Mr. CHANDLER.. 1t is my impression thatitwouldbeavio- Mr. ALLEN presented petitions of the Hooper Building and lation of it. Loan Association,_ of Hooper~ of the Mutual Building and Loan The PRESIDENT pro ternporeL Does the Senator from Ore- Association, of North Platte, and. of the M:adison Building and gon move that the Senate adjourn? Loan Association, of ~adison, all in tlie State of Nebraska, pray- .Mr. DOLPH. If. there is- such an agreement it was made in ing that building and loan at!s-ociations, national and local, be my absence; but I do not wish to-violate· an.y agreement which exempted from the .proposed income-tax provision of the pend- has been made. ing tariff bill; which were ordered to lie on the table. Mr. CHANDLER. I think it would be a violation of the Mr. TELLER presented a petition of sundry citizens of Colo· agreement. · rado, praying for the preservation of the prehistoric relics an Mr. DOLPHr If the Senator from: New Hampshire insists the Ute Indian Reservation; which was referred to the Com­ that it would violate an agreement made in m;y absence, I w:ij_l mittee on Indian Affairs. observe it. He also present,ed a memorial oi sundry citizens of Durango, Mr. CHANDLER. I may be mistaken, but I think the unani- Colo., remonstrating against the issuance of bonda by the United mous agreement that the tariff bill should 'be taken up at 12 States Government, and praying that every assistance be given o clock will hold. The present occupant of the chair can state. the "army of the cnmmonweai; 'r which was referred to the The PRESIDENT pro ternpm·e. The Chair so understands. Committee on Education. and Labor. Mr. McPHERSON. I hope the Sena.tur from Oregon will Mr. PERKINS presented a memorial of the Alameda.Fedm~a- withdraw the motion to adjourn. Ithinkweshallgetaquorum tion ofTrades, oi AlamedaGounty, CaL, remonstrating against in a few moments. theratificationof th.eproposedChinesetreaty; which wasorde"I"ed Mr. DOLPH. I can not resist the appeal of' the Senato!'i:rom to lie on the table. New Jersey. He also presented a petition of. Carpenters and Joiners' Union, Mr. HIGGINS and Mr. MANDERSON entered the Chamber and No. 30!, Brotherhoud of America, of San Francisco.., Cal., praying answered to their names. for an inCI"ease of tile. proposed income tax.; which was ordered The PRESIDENT pro-tempore (at·ll o'clock- and 25 minutes_ a. to lie on tha tabler. m-. ). Forty-four Senators- ha va answered- to' their- names-. A. Mr. PEFFER presented a petition of sundry citizens of Free- quorum is present. port Kans-, praying that fraternal society and college journals Mr. CULLOM. I move that- furthat" pro-ceedings umie1:. the be admitted to. the mans as second-class matter; which was- re- call be dispensed with. , ferred to the Committee on Post-Offices and Post.Roads. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It is so ordered df there be Mr. FRYE lll'esented a memoriaL of the Central Labor Union, no objection.. It is so ordered. The Secreta-ry will read the of Portland, M'e., remonstrating against the- consideration in Journal of the proceedings oi ye_sterday. secret session of the proposed Chinese treaty; which was orde·red TheJournaloiyesterday'sproceedingswas readand appruved. to lie on the table~ · MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE~ Mr. ROAR. Ipresenta.petitio11 of sundry eitizens of Massz.- A mess.al{e from the. House of Representatives, by Mr. . T. 0. chusetts praying for tlie suppression of the lottery traffic. 'TOWLES, its Chief Clerk, announced that the House had pass.ed There has been a bill. reported from the Committee on the Ju­ the following bills; in which it req_uested the.concUITance of the diciary on this subject, and. I. suppose the petition should lie on Senate: the table. A bill (H. R. 5500) for the relief of William Gray~ and .The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The petition will lie on the K:n_:.nl (H. R. 5659) for the relief ol Zimri Elliott, of Wilsey, ta~~ ~Wn~E~.g ~:~b:fto~tes~pplemental statement pre­ pared by J. R. GarriSon, lata Deputy First Comptroller of the E..~ROLLED BILL SIGNED. . Treasury, in opposition to the proposed.legislation to improve the The message also announced that the Speaker of the House methods of accounting in the Treasury Department, and also­ had signed the enrolled bill (H..R. 6110) to authorize the con­ giving an analysis of sectionl9 of House bill 6!78. I move that struction of a bridge across the Mississippi River at Red Wing, the statement be printed as a miscellaneous document, and lie Minn.; and it was thereupon signed by tb.e President protem­ on the table. . pm·e. The motion was agreed to. INSIGNIA OF THE RED CRO.SS. - Mr. COCKRELL presented a memorial of Cigar Makers'Lo- The PRESIDENT p1·o tempore laid before the Senate the fol- cal Union, No. 233, of Sedalia, Mo., remonstrating against the lowing communication; which was read, and, with the accom- ratification of the proposed Chinese treaty; which was ordered parrying report, was referred to the Committee on Foreign Re- to lie on the table. lations, and ordered to be printed: Mr. BRICE presented a petition oi Champion Council, No.2, AssoGIA.TioN oF MILITARY SURGEoNs oJi' THE UNITED STATES, ·Junior Order of United American Mechanics, of Springfield, Washington, JJ. a., May11,1894. Ohio, praying for the passage of House bill No. 5246J providing Sm: I have the honor herewllh to submit a. copy of " report of committee f th · t' f • · t b u ·ted St t u1 h · h of the Association ot Military Surgeons of the United ~ta.tes on the pro· or e mspec IOn O lmiillgran s Y m · a es cons s; w lC posed act of Congress for the protection of the insignia and name of the was referred to the Committee on Immigration. Red Cross." He also presented a petition of the Trades and Labor Assem- Thiscommitteewasa.ppointeda.tthefourtha.nnua.lm,eetingo:tth.eassocia- bly of Canton, Ohio, praying for the enactment of legislation tion held in this city during the past week. Its report was submitted to the association and adopted unanimously, the original baing on file among the providing for the improvement of roads; which was referred to records of the association. the Committee on Education and Labor. A reference of the inclosed copy to the Committee on Foreign Relations He also nresented a memorial of the Carri l:ul'e and Wagon is respectfully requested. t" ~ I have the honor to be, sir, respectfully, your obedient servant, Workers' Local Union, No. 23, of Cinci:nn.a.ti, Ohio, remonstrat- GEORGE M. STERNBERG, ing against the repeal of the sa.called Scott-Geary laws, regu- President .Association. of Military Burgeons of th6 Unilea States. lating Chinese immigl"ation; which was referred to the-Commit- To the Hon. PRESIDENT UNITED STATES SENATE. tee on Foreign Relations. PETITIONS AND MEMORIALS. He also presented a memorial of sundry wool buyers and wool Mr. SHERMAN. I present a resolution o[ the Cincinnati .dealers of Ohio and Pennsylvania,-remonstrating against the {Ohio) Chamber of Commerce and Merchants'-Exchange, which adoption of Schedule K of section 1, and paragraph ts85 of sec­ is very much in favor of the Torrey bankruptcy'bill and against tion 2, o.f the 'pending tariff bill, and praying that in the ena.ct­ the Bailey bankruptcy bill. .As the resolution of these bodies ment of any tariff legislation. a just protection. be accorded the goes into the matter somewhat in .detaii, I move that it be woolgrowers of the country, and' that a just and reasonable duty printed as a document and referred to the Committee on. the be placed upon wool, in order that the woolgrowing and the Judiciary. wool-manufacturing industries, which are inse:parably connected, The motion was agreed to. . may be placed upon an equal footing, etc.; which was ordered to Mr. MANDERSON presented a memorial signed by the stock- lie on the table. holders of the Madison Building and Loan Association, of Madi- He also presented a memorial of Encampmoot No. lOT, Union son, Nebr., remonstra.ting against the proposed tax on the in- Veteran Legion, of Delaware, Ohio, remonstrating agains~ a comes of building and loan associations; which was. ordered to transfer of the control of the National Home for Disa;l-f.ed Vol­ liB on the table. un.teer-Soldiers to the War Department; which, WM refm·red to Mr. CULLOM. I have received three separate: letters ad- the Committee on Appropriations. I •

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He also presented a memorial of the trades and labor coun­ SEc. 2. Tha~ within thirty days after the approval of this joint resolution the Co~s10ners of the D:fs.trlct of Columbia shall report to Congress all cil~ of Pi_9.ua, O!Iio, remonstra~ing against-the immigration. of 1Jroceedings under section 1 ot this joint resolution. Chinese rnto this country; wh1ch was referred to the Committee The. PRESIDENT pra. tempore. Is there objection to the on Foreign Relations~ present consideration- of the joint resolution? · He also pr~.nted a petition of Mingo Lodge, No. 22, Amalga.­ matedAssoCiatwn.oflron andSteel Workers, of hfingoJunation, There being no, objection, the Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, .Pyoceeded t~ consider the joint resolution~ Obi~, prayi~g for the governmental control of the telegraph service; which. was referred to. the Committee on Post-Offices The JOint resolution -was reported to the Senate wit.ho'!Lt and Post-.Roads. amendment. Mr. GORDON. I present resolutions· of the' Roard of Trade . ~· ALLE!NL I do not desire to obsttuct the passag& D"i the of Colu:nous, Ga., in the nature of a petition, praying for immedi­ J~nt :esolution, but! should like to inquire of the Seaatorfrom M~chigan.what if ate act10n upon the tari:tr bill. I ask that the petition lie on steps have been taken1 any, to foree a coni.. pliance w1th the aets that have passed Congress heretofore with the t~ble, and I accompany it with the remark that I am receiv­ ing a great many petitions- of the sam-e· character, and I trust reference to these street railroads. I understand that a year or that our friends en the· op-posite side, in: considerati<>n of the mo~e ago' an: act .of Congress was passed requiring the Metro­ politan Stre-et Railway Company taput in an entirely different g~eat .inter~ s ts invo~-ved and the_guod effect of immediate action, willard us rn hurrymg that bill to a firral vote. motive power, to- ~e off horses and put m probably a cable line-, The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The -petition will lie on the but tbatn? compliance whatever has been made with that act. table. I should hke ta know from the Senator from Michicran who is :Mr. LODGE presented a petition Of the- Watch and Ward SO'"­ a member of the. con:n:uttee on the Dfst:rict of Colu~bfu, if any cfety of Boston, Mass., praying fur the enactment of legislation effort .wh~te-ver 1s ~ei?g made-by- the D1strict Committee or- by to suppress the lottery traffic; which was- Ol'dared to lie on the the DIStrict Comtll.lSsioners, or those in authority looking to a table. prompt and rigid fulfillment of the act of Congt!ess upon the REPORT OF A. COMMITTE& subject'! Mr. 1fcMILLAN. I will stare for thB Infor-mation of the Sen- Mr. BRICE, from the Committee on Appropriations, to whom ator from Nebraska that the road ta which he refers is called: w~s. referred the bill (H. R. 5894) making approp]]iations for the the Metropolita;n: Railway Company, and the eomiDitte has now Military Academy for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1895, re- that matter in clmrgeand will re~ort a Mll very shortly to com- ported it witll amendments, and submitted a report th'8reon. pel the. company to do away with horses and use underground CHARLEs- T. RUSSELL. efectricrpower. But the· ioint resolution which I have just re~ Mr. FRYE. I am directed by the Committee on Foreign. He- -ported refers to an entirely different road. It reiers to what is lations, to who~ was referred the bill (S. 1999} for the relief of called tlie Columbia Road,runninu on New York avenue. The Charles T. Bussell, to report it favorably~ without amendment. cars in use by that company are oo inferior, so dirty, and so cam­ It is a very short. bill, and it is very important that it shall be mon that the a.t1ientfon af the committee has been ealled to the acted upon now. _ matter, arrd the joint resrrlntfon simply directs the Commission:- • ! simply desire- to state that Charles T. Russell w:m consul- ~rs to mak.e the compm1y carry out their original charter, that general' at Liverpool, and an appropriation was- not made tor the IS, to put first-cia;ss- cttrs on that road That is all there is of it. relief of destitute sailors. He was obliged to relieve them tu Mrr COCKRELL. What road is this? the extent of $3,100. He did so, and the Audi~eonld notal- Mr. McMILL... l\.N. The Columbia. Stree.t. Railway Com-pany. low his account. Suit haef been brough~ but the- Seeretary of Mr~ ALLEN. I am inclined ta think th-e joint r-eselution the Treasury has ordered a stay of proceedings until Congress ought to pass. can pass this bilL ¥r. McMILLAN. It simply directs the Commfssioners tore- Ifyunanimous consent, the- Senate, as in Committee of the qmre the company to do what they should dcr, and what the Whole, proceeded to consider the bill, whfch was read,. as follows: charte-r compels them to do. Be it~na-eted, etc., That the Secretary of the-Treasury be, and he is hereby, Mr. ALLEN. I did not rise for the purpose oi objecting to- a.uthu:n-zed and ins.tructed to pay, out of any- moneys 1n the Trea.smy not the p~sag_e of the joint resoiu tion, but I have- noticed during otherwise a:piJropna.ted, to Charles T. Russell, o!Connecttcut, late vice·con.- the. ~te-r months that :vhenever- the' railroad companies here sul at Liverpool, England. 13,100, being the sum actuall'y and necessmly er- have failed to. comply wrth some ,a.,... 0 ;1'0 some regulot1·0 n of th"" pended by him in the shipping department of that omee. J.. " .. "' "' SEc. 2 That.the SeeretaTY at· the Trea.stn'ybe, and herebyis,. authorfzed District a resolution has been introduced and sent to the Com- and directed to apply the amount named in this bill to cancel and otrset any m~stoners of the District ~or info-rma-tion upon the subject. It claim, or so much thereof as the United States may have against the said strikes me that a more drrect and e:IDectual -way of ge.. 111 .;~g at Charles T. Russell, for any indebtedness due tram him upon an unsettled uu account while consul as aforesaid. the. matter is to :require. the DistriQt prosecuting officer and hisc Tlla bill waa reported to the Senate without amendment,· or- assistant to see that the laws are rigidly complied with rather dered to be engrossed for a third reading, read the third time, than to ask the Commissioners of the District for information. and passed. _ The PRESIDENT pro tempo1·e. If there be _no amendment Mr. FRYE subsequently said: The Senate passed a. bill this and no objection, the joint. resolution will be ordered to a third morning for the relief of Charles T. Russell. I see that he ia reading_. described in the bill as vice-consul. He was consul. I ask The joint resolution was ordered to be engrossed for a third unanimous consent to reconsider the vote by which the bill was reading, read th-e third time, and passed. passed and the vote by which it was passed to its third reading- BILL INTRODUCED. and read the third time, that I may correct the bill by striking Mr. COKE introduced a bill (S. 2017) for the relief of William out the word "vice." Davenport, John B. Lacoste, William J. Locke, John Green The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. BERRY in the chair). The TheoboldMonier, and WilliamA. Wallacetcitizens of the Sta~ Se~ator fro~ Maine asks unanimous consent .that the votes by of Texas; which was read twice by its title. and referred to the wh1ch the b1ll was passed and ordered to a third reading be re- Committee on Claims. · considered. Is there objection? The Chair hears none and the bill is before the Senate and open to amendment. ' AMENDMENTS TO SUNDRY CIVIL APPROPRIATION BILL. Mr. FRYE. In lirra 6 I move to strike out the word "vice" Mr. McMILLAN submitted three amendments intended to be before H-consul. 17 proposed ?Y him to the snnd.ry-civil ap-propriation bill; which The amendment was agreed to. ' were referred to the Committee on Appropriations and ordered The bill was ordered to be engrossed for a third reading- and to be printed. ' was read the third time, and passed. ' M1:- DOLPH submitted an amendment intended to be proposed COLUMBIA STREET RAILWAY COMPANY. byhrm ~O thesundry~ivilappropriationbill; which was ordered Mr. McMILLAN. I am directed by the Commi'ttee on the to be pnnted, and, With the accompanying papers, referred to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. District of Columbia to report a joint resolution and to ask for its immediate consideration. WITHDRAWAL OF PAPERS. rr:he joint resolution (B. R. 86} to require the Columbia Street On motion of Mr. HIGGINS, it was Rail!V:::Y Compan:y: of the ~istrict of Columbia to carry out the Ordered, That Joseph H. Richards ha-ve- leave to withdraw his petition prov~s10ns of section 10 of 1ts charter relative to the equipment and papers from the files of the Senate. o! sa1d road was read the first time by its title and the second REPORT ON FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES. tune at length. as follows: · Mr. TELLER. I ask an order that Senate Report No. 377 be ·Resolved by tM Senate, etc., That the· Commissioners ot the District of co- printed or the use o-i the Sena. te. It is a report made by the lumbia. be, and they are hereby, directed to req1Iire the Columbia. Street Select C 'ttee th F' C'vil' d T ib d he d · Ra.ilwa.y Camyauy of the: District of Columbia to carry out section 10 of the OIIl1Ill on e: 1ve l Ize r es, an t or er lS charter of sa1d railway company, which provides "-That th-e said ra.nwa asked because there is a demand fOT more copies of the report. companyshaU place first-class ca.Ts on said railway with.ali modern trf · The PRESIDENT p1·o tempe-r-e. U thera be no objection, the provements tor the eomfort and eonYenience of passenge!'ff." • - arder will be made. The Ohair hears none, and _it is made". '

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LEAVE OF ABSENCE. get into the habit of going to the Calendar every morning be­ :Mr. TELLER.- I wish to state that my colleague [Mr. WOI.r fore the unfinished business is taken up. COTT] has been compelled to leave the city, to be gone some time, The PRESIDENT 7Jro ternpo1·e. The action suggested by the on accounto! ill health. I know the circumstances under which Chair was regular morning business. The Chair now announces he has left, and I know the necessity of his leaving. He has that the morning business is closed, and that the Calendar gone by the advice of his physician, and he ought to have gone under Rule VIII is in order. The first bill on the Calendar I think a month ago. I ask that he may be granted leave of ab- will be stated. sence by the Senate. - ALLEYS. IN THE DISTRICT OF COLtThiBIA. The PRESIDENT p?·otem.pore. H there be no objection, leave The bill (S. 911) to open, widen, and extend alleys in the Dis­ of absence will be granted to the Senator from Colorado. The trict of Columbia was announced as first in order on the Calen­ Chair hears none, and leave is granted. dar, and the Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, resumed its MAJ. GEN. GEORGE S. GREENE. consideration. Mr. HAWLEY. I ask unanimous consent to consider the bill The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair is advised that {S. 1815) for the relief of Maj. Gen. Geor2'e S. Greene, to which this bill has been heretofore read at length and that the amend­ I am sure there can not be an objection. It passed the Senate in ments reported by the Committee on the District of Columbia the last Congress. It is to place on the retired Ust an old soldier have been agreed to. If there be no further amendment the bill with a most admirable record, who is now 93 years old, and has will be reported to the Senate. the commendation of the best otficers. The bill has been re­ The bilfwas reported to the Senate as amended, and the amend­ ported twice unanimously from the Committee on Military Af­ ments were concurred in. fairs. The bill was ordered to be engrossed for a third reading, rea<} By tmanimous consent, the Senate, as in Committee of the the third time, and passed. Whole, proceeded to consider the bill. It authorizes the Presi­ FORM OF DEEDS IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. dent to nominate and, by and with the advice and consent of the The bill (S. 832) to simplify the form of deeds of conveyance, Senate, to appoint George S. Greene, late brigadier and brevet trust, and releases of land in the District of Columbia was an­ major-general United States Volunteers, to the rank of first lieu­ nounced as next in order. tenant of artillery in the Army of the United States, and to Mr. FRYE. That bill will lead to a good deal of discussion. place him on the retired list of the Army as of that grade, the Mr. SHERMAN. The bill will no doubt lead to a discussion, retired list being thereby increased in number to that extent. because a number of amendments will be made to it, and it ought But no pension shall be paid to him, although this proviso shall not to be taken up in the absence of the Senator from West Vir­ be no bar to any claims for pension that the widow or children ginia [Mr. FAULKNER]. Let it go over without losing its place. or other heirs may have after his decease. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The bill will go over, hol(L. Mr. PEFFER. I desire to ask the Senator who has charge of ing its place on the Calendar, if there be no objection. the bill whether it proposes to increase the pay of this officer? Mr. HAWLEY. Gen. Greene served thirteen years in the PENITENTIARY IN NORTH DAKOTA. regular Army. He resigned in 1836 and passed an honorable The joint resolution (S. R. 41) relative to the erection of a pen­ life on various public works of importance, the Croton aque­ itentiary in the State of North Dakota, and for other purposes, duct, and things of that sort. At 60 he went into the War of was announced as next on the Calendar. the Rebellion and make a very brilliant record for about five The. PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Secretary informs the years. He is now broken in health, 93 years old, and has but a Chair that this bill has been read at length as in Committee of limited income from a small pension. All the old officers want the Whole. the old general to die in the Army on the retired list. Mr. PLATT. My recollection about the bill is that the last Mr. HOAR. The bill merely proposes to give him the pay time it was under consideration the Senator from North Dakota of a lieutenant in lieu of pension. fMr. HANSBROUGH] did not desire action upon it, as he had in­ Mr. HAWLEY. Nothing but the ordinary pay. The bill troduced an amendment upon the same subject and had it re­ merely puts him on the retired list as a first lieutenant of artil­ ferred to the Committee on Appropriations. I think, therefore, lery, the rule having been adopted by the Military Committee the bill had better go over, at any rate, until the Senator i1'10m that anyone restored under such circumstances shall be restored North Dakota is present. to the rank he held in the regulars at the time he resigned from The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The bill goes over, holding the regular Army. He gets only the retired pay of a lieutenant its place on the Calendar. of artillery. CORPORATIONS IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. The bill was reported to the Senate without amendment, or­ dered to be engrossed for a third reading, read the third time, The bill (S.1305) to amend "An act relating to the incorpora­ tion of certain corporations within the District of Columbia." and passed. ~ approved October 1, 1890, was announced as next in order on the HOUSE BILLS REFERRED. Calendar. The following bills were severally read ·twice by their titles, Mr. PUGH. Let that bill go over. The subject is before the and referred to the Committee on Claims: Judiciary Committee in another form. A bill (H. R. 5500) for the relief of William Gray; and The PRESIDENT pro ternpm·e. Does the Senator desire the · A bill (H. R. 5659) for the reliel of Zimri Elliott, of Wilsey, bill to go over without prejudice or under Rule IX? Kans. Mr. PUGH. Without prejudice. WESLEY MONTGOMERY. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The bill goes over without Mr. ALLEN. I ask unanimous consent to call up the -bill (S. prejudice. The hour of 12 o'clock having arrived, the Chair 1583) for the relief of Wesley Montgomery. lays before the Senate the unfinished business. · Bv unanimous consent, the Senate, as in Committee of the THE REVENUE BILL. Whole, proceeded to consider the bill. It proposes to permit The Senate, as rn Committee of the Whole, resumed the con­ Wesley Montgomery, of Adams County, Nebr., upon the pay­ sideration of the bill (H. R. 4864) to reduce taxation, to provide ment of the regular fees and commissions, to enter under the revenue for the Government, and for other purposes. homestead law 160 acres of any of the unappropriated public The PRESIDENT p1·o tempore. The pending question is on lands of the United States, including public lands in Oklahoma the amendment proposed by the Senator from Arkansas [Mr. Territory, not mineral nor in the actual occupation of any set­ JONES]. tler, in lieu of the northeast quarter of section 23, of township Mr. ALDRICH. Let the amendment be stated. 28north, range 14west, in Iroquois County, Ill.; which land was The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amendment will be stated. entered by him February 20, 1874. The SECRETARY. In line 10, on page 2, aftet· the word ''tan- The bill was reported to the Senate without am~ndment, or­ nin," it is proposed to strike out" thirty-five," and insert" sev­ dered tq be engrossed for a third reading, read the third time, enty-five," so as to read: and passed. Tannic a.cld or tannin, 75 cents per pound. HOUR OF MEETING. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I modified that amendment yester­ The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Are there further resolutions, day by ins'erting "sixty" instead of "seventy-five." concurrent or otherwise? If none, the resolution submitted by The PRESIDENT p1·o t.empo1·e. The modification suggested the present occupant of the chair on the lOth instant, in rela­ by the Senator will be made. tion to the time of the daily meeting of the Senate, coming over Mr. MANDERSON. If I can have foramomentthe attention from yesterday, if there be no objection will lie upon the table of the Senator from Indiana [Mr. VOORHEES], the chairman of without action, holding its place. - the Committee on Finance, I wish to state that we have h&d Mr. SHERMAN. I hope the remaining five minutes of the placed upon our desks this morning Bulletin No.2, which con• morning hour will be devoted to the Calendar, and that we shall tains the replies to th~ tariff inquiries as to Schedule A, the 1894. CONGRESSIONAL R.EdORD-SENATE. 4657

chemical schedule. As I understand, Bulletin No~ 1 contained the different rates or the different modes of levying duties, the replies of the customs officers to certain inquiries made of whether by specific or ad valorem duties. · them. This is not complete; and I understand there will be To answer a little more directly the inquiry of the Senator other matter in connection with this schedule, but it is very from Maine, I will say that I think there was but one sot of in­ difficult to understand the replies, ·without having as a part of terrogatories sent out. They were sent to all sorts of people. the bulletin; and of each bulletin as it shall come out, a copy of This was not done in a corner. The Senator from Iowa [Mr. AL­ the inquiries that were made by direction of the Committee on LISON] sit~ingbefore me, theSenatorfromOhio[Mr. SHERMAN], Finance. I hope the Senator from Indiana will see the necessity the Senator from Rhode Island [Mr. ALDRICH], and the Senator as to this and future bulletins of having printed on the first page from Vermont [Mr. MORRILL] all knew when these interogato­ a copy of the circular letter that was issued December 20, 1893. ries were prepared; they all knew when they were sent out. It is almost impossible to understand some of the replies with­ Whether it was a wise or an unwise measure I am not going to out having access to the inquiries, and I hope the mquiries may discuss now. I thought it was a measure of proper deference to be printed in connection with the bulletins. a large mass of people whom we could not hear in person and Mr. HALE. Does the'Senator understand that the circular whom we gave a chance to be heard on paper. issued bv the committee, to which he has referred, was the only As to the manner in which they have answered, I know but circular~that was used in these inquiries, and that the answers little. I have not been very fortunate in health this spring, and all appertain to but one circular? consequently have not been able to read all the letters which have Mr. MANDERSON. I am under the impression that that is been addressed. to me. .. the fact, but I know nothing of it. That is the bulletin I have The Senator from Massachusetts [Mr. HoAR] the other day receivea from the Finance Committee. · it was stated in the papers, I see ,lectured me on the subject of Mr. HALE. I ask the Senator from Indiana whether it is the good manners. Any lecture from him on that subject is whole· case that this one circular was preserved through all the action some, and I accept it as such. of the committee in seeking information from outside sources, Mr. HOAR. I disclaim the idea­ and that the answers given apply to and fit that one circular, so Mr. VOORHEES. I think so. that, if published, it will cover the circular used in the entire Mr. HOAR. If the Senator will pardon me, I never should proceedings? How was that, Mr. President? think ~f lecturing so hopeless a subject as the Senator from Mr. V<;>ORHEES. When the Senator gets through I shall Indiana. answer. . Mr. VOORHEES. When I recall a lecture which the Senator Mr. HALE. That ~s all I have to say. himself received once from an eminent gen tlem~n, now no more, Mr. MANDERSON. I simply desire to state that, looking a member of this body, I can bear what he says to me. I only over the replies that are in this bulletin, many of them are of referred to what he said the other day for the purpose of calling very great value and importance and thro,v light upon the sub· attention to the fact that he thought it would be a bright and ject-matter of our legislation that is of great' moment; but, as I witty thing to ask me what these correspondents in their an­ say, without having the questions to which these responses were swers said about the subject of acetic acid, which was under dis­ made, it is very difficult to understand many of the answers; cussion. As a matter of course the Senator knew I had not read and I hope mv suggestion will be adopted. those letters, which have come in here sometimes at the rate Mr. VOORHEES. Mr. President, when this subject first of 1,500 in a day. That is the reason I characterized the Sen­ came up in the Finance Committee and assumed a very grave ator's question as a ridiculous one, and I trust I did not show character we were confronted by a desire universally expressed any il·ritation of manner, because I am Mcustomed to the Sen- · in certain quarters for oral and verbal hearings before the com­ ator from Massachusetts. -we have known each other in both mittee. At first I thought that to a certain extent that request ends of this Capitol a long time, and we have got up a school, might be complied with. It was found impossible upon further not perhaps of mutual admiration, but certainly of mutual for· investigation. It was found that if an attempt were made to bearance with ~ach other's faults and ways. So, when he asked complv with the requests which poured in upon us from sources me a question which had no reason init,Iansweredaccordingly. deeply interested in manufac~uring, the time of the committee I only allude to the circumstance to show how utterly impossi­ could be occupied, and most hkely would. be, for a year to come, ble it 'is to be informed in regard to these det::Lils. I repeat, these and I reh:ctantly was forced to the conclusion that the requests letters have come to my committee room at the rate of sometimes had to be denied. I do not think the Republican members of over 1,500 a day. the Committee on Finance-I shall not ask or expect them to · I have detailed now to the Senate the reason why these in­ make any statement upon the subject-believe that those re­ quiries have gone out. I trust that good will come of them; I quests could be complied with and the duty of the committee think good will come. I think, whether those t~ whom the in­ performed. · quiries are addressed answer correctly or incorrectly, they an­ When it was found that the applications for oral hearings swer from their standpoint, and a great mass of information will were impossible to be granted in view of the necessity for action be obtained for use hereafter. If it is not published and put out as early in the future as possible, the substitute, as it were, was as fast as it might be under different circumstances, still it will adopted of addressing communications to the manufacturing in­ be a permanent mass of knowledge. terests and to various other sources of information, asking them I would say to the Senator from Nebraska [Mr. MANDERSON] to make their statements to us, and not only asking them to make that I know of but one class of interrogatories sent out, and their statements, but giving them all opportunity to lay before they were sent to people who are in the chemical business­ the Senate and the country their views upon these questions. chemists, druggists; thev were sent to woolen manufacturersj I have heard it stated recently, as a criticism of this method they were sent to iron and steel people; and e:tch one would an- . and a criticism of this side of the Chamber, that these ans,wers are swer such interrogatories in the circular as seemed to be ad­ mainly in the interest of protection. I knew they would be; I dressed to him or his business. In that way the information has expected they would be. Why should they not be? I knew, come back to us, and we are publishing it as fast as we can, and · and we all knew, that if we opened the door of the Finance Com­ under very skillful, excellent, and reliable management. mittee and sat therefor the next six months we would have had Mr. MANDERSON. Undoubtedly. My suggestion, however, to listen to what was in store for us, and we would have listened if the Senator will permit me, is simply that this circular letter ninety-nine hundredths of the time to appeals in behalf of the of inquiry may be printed with the answers, so that we may doctrine of protectiOn, because the appeals would come from that have them together. . source. · Mr. VOORHEES. Ihadforgotten the Senator's point. There · I knew when these circulars were addressed what would be is no objection to his suggestion, and if the Senator, who is.per­ the character of testimony poured back upon us. Nevertheless, fectlyfamiliar with printing, would see Mr. Durfee, who is editing I felt, in the absence of the possibility to give these people oral and managing this work and is employed to do it by the Com­ hearings, that to treat them fairly we should give them a chance mittee on Finance, I have no doubt the matter could be arranged. to put their views upon paper. I have had by private letters I beg pardon of the Senate for occupying so much time; but and in various other ways to tell committees and correspondents there has been so much said about the question of these inter­ that we would receive their communications, treat them with rogatories that I thought it well to show exactly what the ar- all possible respect, read them if we could, and refer.to them rangement was. · in discussion. Mr. HOAR. Mr. President, I did not propose to take any It was under these circumstances, Mr. President-and I am part in this discussion, and it certainly is too balmy and genial going a little more into detail than the Senator from Maine per­ a morning for anybody to be provoked into a serious contro­ haps expected in direct response to his question-that these in­ versy with my very good-natured friend from Indiana [Mr. terrogatories or communications went out. It was in deference VOORHEES]; but I think, as he has appealed to me, I ought to to the manufacturing fnterest. I will say that we addressed say that so far as I know the history of tariff legislation, the some of these circulars to other quarters. We addressed some Committee on Ways and Means in the House of Represent~ of them to collectors-of customs, to get their views in regard to tives and the Committee on Finance in the Senate have heard XXVI-292 4658 CONGRESSIONAL: RECORD-SENATE. .MAY 12', the repr~senta.tives of the principal industries of the country or­ mittee and amended by: the committee in various ways beiore · any other industries generally to the satisfaction of the persons they were sent out. They were sent out, and were intended to: wanting to be heard. This is the first time in our legislative be sent out, not only to· manufacturers, but to merchants, im­ history, so far as I am aware, that another policy has been -porters; and business men having relations to this subject. So adopted. I think it must be said, in the absence of hearings, tha..t it was a The Senator from Indiana says the committee sent out these wise and proper thing to send out these inquiries, which were circulars, and that they intended to read them as far as they intended to bring into the committee room every shade of opin­ could; and vet he thinks it is a very ridiculous question if any­ ion. I do not think we confined the circulars to manufacturers: body should ask hi.}:n, the chairman of the Committee on Fi­ we sent them also .to importers. · nance, the person who reported the bill, whether, in regard to a I wish to say in this connection that the details of this work particular interest which is to be struck down according to the were, as I understand, wholly given over to 1ir. Durfee, who is opinion of the men engaged in that industry, he knows what an old and experienced clerk of the committee. I knowformy­ those answers were. self that I suggested two or three· prominent people in my own Now, the Senator comes in and says in one part of his speech that State who are interested in particular industries and gave him he wpuld read the answers if he could, and in another part that it is their names1 so that the circulars might be sent to them, and impossible to read them, but that they are going to be very valu­ Mr. Durfee stated to me that he was sanding the circulars to able for reference hereafter. The Senator accd'mpanies his pr-op­ people of all the States so far as he could. FmT that reason, if osition to do what we regard as striking a blow at-eertain indus­ for no other, it would be impossible either for the chairman of tries with a very earnest and savage denunciation ot the men the committee or for any member of the committee to read the who are engaged in them. One member of the committee said answers to the circulars and ascertain what is the general range that so far as they are protected industries a war of extermina­ of opinion on the subject. I think so far as that is concerned tion is going against them. The Senator from Indiana, in the the committee only acted wisely. speech with which he accompanied his bill, said that these men Now, I w1sh to say one thing more about hearings. 1 think were greedy; all they wanted to do was to plunder the public; we made a mistake in not having hearings on the bill. I do not subject the consumers of the country to their greed and plun­ attribute the mistake to any intense -purpose on the part of the der. Yet, making that charge, denying a hearing to the men majority not to have hearings. I desired brief hearings for the against whom it is made, then writing them for their written purpose of instruction and information, as well as for the purpose statements as to their interests1 he thinks it is ridiculous that of hearing the views of interested persons one way or the other he should be asked, before making that charge and asking the on the subject. We know perfectly well that there are tlvo Senate to act upon it, to read what they have to say in their own great interests in this country, one interest connected with the defense. I am willing to l~ave that statement of 'the Senator importation of articles and. the othertheinterestconnected with right there, if he is. their production; arrd we also know that as to many of the items. Mr. ALDRICH. :Mr. President, I think that some response · in the bill there is a certain technical knowledge which it is not should be made to the suggestion of the honorable chairman expected ,the Committee on Finance can be in possession of with­ of the Finance Missouri [Mr. VEST] stated the other dav, upon majority of the Committee on Finance expected to make a report the principle of protection, if it be a p1·inciple, or the policy of to· the Senate much sooner than they finally did make it. Ob­ protection, or free trade. It was merely to have such hearings stacles and circumstances over which they had no control-per­ of the leading interests of this country as would enable us to haps the Senator from Ohio [Mr. BRICE], now sitting in the rear act intelligently in this Chamber upon these details. That is of the Senator from Indiana [Mr. VooRHEES]-prevented the what hearings were proposed for, and I think our judgment upon early action of the committee; and perhaps we should have been that subject has been absolutely verified. able to hear these people without delaying the final report of the Although we have not had such hearings, hearings have been bill by the committee~ . had. The Senator from Arkansas [Mr. JONESl, the Senator from I only wish now to say, in behalf of the Repub).ican members Missouri [Mr. VEST], and the Senat.ors o the majority of the of the committee, or at least in behal1 of myseli, that we were committee have had hearings. We know that perfectly well; not in favor of unlimited hearings. But we believed that the and we have not had the advantage of the views and opinions various representatives of these industries, the workingmen, of the men engaged in the various industries because the hear­ the agriculturists, the manufacturers, and the importers should ings have been private·; they have not been held in the commit­ have had an opportunity to be heard before the committee. tee room where all the members of the committee could have So far as these circulars are concerned1 I think the answers the advantage of whatwas said or done. to them will be valuable. They certainly will show the atti­ There is · another disad.vantage connected with the hearings tude of the various people interested in the question of tarifi that were held, and that is that no record of them was made. legislation. I understand perfectly well that the Senator from We come in the Senate Chamber with perhaps one class of in­ Indiana, in the state of health in which he lias unfortunately formation as to the items in the chemical schedule, while the been since this subject has been under consideration, has cer­ Senator from Arkansas [Mr. JONES] has another, and yet we can tainly not had an opportunity, as none of us has had, to read the not refer to printed matter for the suggestions made by the gen­ great mass of re-plies which have been made to these inquiries, tlemen who.have appeared. So, although the bill came to us on and I attribute to him certainly no lack of courtesy to the_ Senate the 2d of February and hearings were denied, it is now about for not bein~ able to explain everything which they contain. the middle oL~iay, and we have had hearings from the 2d of Mr. ALLISON. I desire to say a word on the subject, rather Februarv to the middle of May without any record befog made on my own behalf, as to the suggestion ma.de by the Senator from as to wh3.t are the oninions and views upon these subjects of the Indiana. people who were heard. I think, with .all due respect to the The circulars now alluded to were serrt out with the full con­ chairman of the committee and to the majority of the commit­ currence of all the membsrs of the committee, as stated by the tee, that if our original views for brief hearings before the com­ Senator from Indiana. Indeed, they wera prepared_ by the com- mittea with a stenographer taking the testimony had been ac- - \ 1894. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 4659

quiesced in it would have been much more satisfactory to both whom we could rely. These people differ, and consequently we sides of tbe Chamber than the hearings that have been had upon have to read over their replies, and we get the information only the subject. now. It will be impossible to p.rint this vast amount of testi­ Mr. CULLOM. By leave of the Senaw from Iowa I wish to mony and digest it as quickly as we could have done if by a little inquire whether I correctly under.stood him to say that the mar more labor it had been taken beforE} us. jority oi the committee have been having private hearings-in I do not wish to find fault with anybody; I do not wish to crit­ reference to this measure? icise anybody. I appreciate the urgency that the Senator from Mr. ALLISON. No; I did not mean to say that. • Indiana [Mr. VOORHEES] and others have had that the bill Mr. CULLOM. I thought the Senator from Iowa made that should be pushed forward in order to get a hearing-. But I do remark. ' say that the great mistake was that we did not take up the bill Mr. ALLISON. No. I only meant to say that in the prog­ in committee and go over it item by item. 1 do not think there ress of the consideration of the bill it has been necessary for would then have been anything like the discussion we will have members of the majority of the committee to hear people. They upon these items. must acquire information relating to the articles in the various The great questions which are coming up before us in connec­ paragraphs, and they have heard people. We know that per­ tion with a bill which, for instance, while it actually destroys fectly well; but no minute or transcript of those hearings was all the protection which has continued through all the history taken, and therefore w~t was said and done rests in the mem­ of our Government on the great article of wool, yet proposes to ory of the gentlemen who heard them. That is all I desire to incYease the duty on woolen goods at the same time, will create say. While I believe what they have done is perfectly proper, necessarily a great deal of contention and a great deal of debate­ I think the original proposition of the minority of the commit­ might have been disposed ~f better, it seems to me, in the com­ tee would have been wiser and better. mittee. So in regard to marry other items. There are many Mr. CULLOM. I supposed that when hearings are had by a schedules here with which every Senator is familiar because committee or any portion of it, the whole body of the commit­ they relate to common articles of daily use like crockery and tee would bs expected to be present. clothing a.nd various articles of that kind. But as hearings Mr. :ALLISON. That was my impression. have not been had we have to grope along the best way we can. Mr. CULLOM. That is the reason why I made the inquiry. So far as the chemical schedule is concerned I do not propose I supposed there had been no hearings of gentlemen by a part to bother the Senate at aiL- I do not know anything about it. of the committee without giving the whole committee an oppor­ I am free to say that. Although I have heard the story over tunity to be present~ and over again on every tariff bill, I do not remember the de­ Mr. SHERMAN. Mr. President, I hadmade upmymindnot tails, and I do not think any of us could remember them unless to take any pa.rt in the discussion of the details of the bill, be­ we were employed as clerks in drug stores or perhaps engaged cause I did not have the usual opportunity which has been ac­ in the manufacture of the articles themselves. I think it was a corded to members of the Committee on Finance to get the neces­ great mistake in the beginning that this information was not sary information. The chemical schedule is Greek to me, as it is, furnished first to the Commtttee on Finance by practical, skill­ Ihave no doubt, to many other Senators. These acids and alkalis, ful men, and then we would have a-voided all this delay. matters that are used not only in the manufactures and in art, Mr. LODGE. Mr. President- but in preserving the public health are such subjects as we ought Mr. VOORHEES. Will the Senator from Massachusetts allow to be familiar with before we deal with them. me to make a report? Now, I wish in all kindness to say here once for all (and per­ Mr. LODGE. Certainly. haps I but repeat the criticism I have heretoiore made in regard Mr. VOORHE.ES. While the discussion has been going on to the conduct of the bill), that while perceiving and also under­ another bulletin of replies to the brifi inquiries in reQ'ard to standing the difficulties which surround our friends on the other Schedule A, which is the chemical schedule, has been laid upon side of the Chamber, in my judgment when the bill came to us my desk, and I reportitfor publication. we should have taken it up in the committee and gone over it, Mr. SHERMAN. To what schedule do the replies relate? not so much for the information of the public as our own in­ Mr. VOORHEES. To Schedule A, the chemical schedule. It formation. I probably have gone over tables and tariff bills six is another bulletin in the same direction. or eight times in my experience, but what I learn at one consid­ The PRESIDINGOFFICER(Mr. BERRY in the chair). With­ eration I forget before the next. out objection, it will be printed. It seems to me the proper way would have been to have had Mr. LODGE. Mr. President, the bulletin No. 2, which we hearings, not to an unlimited extent, not to everybody who have this morning, is an illustration of the disadvantage I pointed wanted to be heard~ If a person approached us to give us in­ out when I made some statements the other day in regard to the

formation upon a subject about which we were already informed inquiries1 and it shows how this syst+ml of having hearinO's ap­ we could have waived him aside. I know that in the considera­ pears to delay progress. No public hear~D'S were held. There­ tion of tariff bills in times past, during the war, and especially fore the material -which would have been presented in those in the great tariff bill before the war, 1which finally led to the public hearings d\d not come before the public and before the passage of the Morrill tariff and on continuously in every tariff Senate as it would have done. We on this side of the Chamber bill that came before us wherever it occurred,. we always had have had no information whatever from persons interested in long hearings, though very often the minority of the committee the various schedules. On the other hand, the Senators on the ·did not take part. otl1er side who are maKing up the bill have the advantage that ­ I think it would have been better when we received the bill they had virtual hearings, that is, they called in experts, a.s for the Committee on Finance to have taken it up and sent for they were obliged to do and as it was prQper to do; they heard experts. We have plenty of officers of the Government who are from the great leaders in these in-dustries, and they got all the ready at our command to give us all the information that can be information which it is necessary to have for a. proper consid­ obtained from any source whatever about the chemical schedule. eration of the bill. Then they come in here with the bill and We could have sent for persons in the New York custom-house in possession of the information., and when we a.sk them for the · familiar with every item contained in the chemical schedule information they decline to give it. . who could have gone over it item by item, and have given us the So we were cut off from every source of information until the information, so that each oi us who chose to attend the commit­ appearance of the bulletin this morning, and of course it is not tee could have heard them. But that was not done. That kind very easy to go through at once an elaborate series of answers, o1 information, which is easily obtained, was not procured. The such as these are, and gat out of them all that one wants. But committee, thinking they would not have time to go over the a mere glance at them shows that they contain a gre-at deal of most items in the usual course, undertook to gain information in this valuable material, and that although the circul:jrs went to only way. That was proper enough, and it was fairly done. The cir­ acomparativelysmallnumberofpersonsinterestedin the various culars were made up ·carefully, not with a view to party action, industries, still a good deal was collected of general interest and but for the action and the information of the whole body. But of great importance.to a proper making up of a tariff bill. we never got this information until now: Here is the first vol­ Now, I have opened the document at hazard, and I see here ume I have seen, and now for the first time I see here what under No. 69 what does not bear directly on the item under con­ acetic acid is; what all these various acids and these various sideration, to which I will come later, but which shows the in­ things are; how much alcohol is needed· in the manufacture of terest of these inquiries and the necessity of our having time to certain articles, and how much for other articles, etc. We have Jook at them, because they take the place of public hearings. I the information. But if we had had this information communi­ find here No. 69, reply of William C. Gaudelet, a manufacturer cated to us by experts in the employment of the Government, of medicine, of 833 Washington street, Newtonville, Mass. The trom whom we would have been able promptlv to secure it, we question concerning competition he answers as follows, and I would have had it in print before us. · think it is an interesting answer: Mr. CULLOM. We would have had it a week or two a!J'o, Concerning competition, foreign and domestic, yes, siT. The McKinley Mr. SHERMAN. And we would have had. it from persons on tariff bill took cold cash righ.t out of my individtra.l pocket. Thus before the 4660 CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-SENATE. MAY 12, above bill passed I paid $50 per 1,000 for domestic cigars to retail at 10 cents, This is from the firm of Drueding Brothers, of Philadelphia. t.hreefor 25 cents; now I pay $65 per 1,000for the same goods and am obliged to sell them at the same price as before. Liebig'! beef ext.ract, English, be­ They say: fore the McKinley bill, cost me U per dozen, now costs $4.50 and sells for 50 On tannin a specific duty of 60 cents per pound would enable us to suc­ cents eacll, same as before. Sugar of milk, arefuseproductfrom Vermont's cessfully compete With foreign manufacturers, provided the internal·rev­ cheese factories, which I am told costs 14 cents a pound to producers, took enue tax on alcohol is not increased. a jump upward or 14 cents (from 28 cents to 42 cents) as soon as the above­ mentioned bill was passed raising the duty on the Swiss product a few cents That is precisely the same ground taken by Powers & Weight­ per pound. I am no politician and a Republican, but I vote against the party man. They proceed: which proposes to take money directly from my pocket and try to make me At present the internal-revenue tax on alcohol required to produce 1 believe it "comes out or the consumer." pound of tannin amounts to about 40 cents. Senators will see it is not perfectly clear how Mr. Gaudelet That, Senators will see, agrees with the proposition of the isgoing to vote, because he says he is against the doctrine that Drug Trade Section of the New York board. So they all agree the duty comes out of the consumer, which is Democratic doc­ upon that proposition. trine, and at the same time he says the McKinley law took And as the foreign manufacturers­ money out of his pocket, he being a manufacturer. They continue- Mr. DIXON. And an importer. have free alcohol it will require additional protection to that extent for the Mr. LODGE. And an importer also. industry to exist here. . If duties were reduced one-third it would have the effect o! killing the tan­ Now, to retul'n to the matter of tannic acid, I said last night nin and magnesia branch ot our business. in discussing the question, not having this full information be­ We desire specific duties on tannin on account of t.he high internal-reve­ fore me, that in the memorial of the Drug T1·ade Section of New nue tax on alcohol. York it is stated that the compensatory duty that is needed is Then they go on with answers to the other questions, and they 40 cents, as I understood, of the increased duty on alcohol and state that their selling prices have decreased since 1890 under that 20 cents additional protection would be enough. But I said this duty, so that there has been no loss to the consumer. On I had no doubt that the subcommittee who prepared the bill on the contrary, their prices have decreased, and they sa.y their better information were correct in giving an additional pro­ manufacture would be killed by this reduction. Therefore the tective duty of 15 cents, making it 75 cents. I did not know on duty proposed in the amendment of the Senator from Arkansas what the subcommittee aDted until the Senator from Arkansas [Mr. JONES] is evidently a just duty, and he had the superior in­ [Mr. JONES] quoted from Powers & Weightman, of Philadelphia, formation, which we did I!Ot have, which enabled him to judge a,.:; the source of his information. He had that information, but accurately that that was what the industry t:~hould receive. we did not have it until this morning. Now we have it, and I Mr. CHANDLER. Mr·. President, the Senator from Arkansas think their opinion as presented here is conclusive in favor of a [Mr. JONES] in giving yesterday the reason why he proposed to duty of 75 cents a pound. change the duty which he had proposed upon tannic acid, from Mr. JONES of Arkansas. Will the Senator from Massachu­ 75 cents a pound back to 60 cents a pound, made-the following setts allow me right here to make a correction which I should statement: like to make? I am perfectly willing to meet the objections or Senators on the other side Mr. LODGE. Certainly. and will modify my amendment by making it 60 cents. Mr. JONES of Arkansas. Yesterday J said that my recollec­ No one on this side of the Chamber that I know of objected to tion of the s tatement of Powers & Weightman was that the cost the rate of 75 cents a pound unless I did, and I certainly did not of the a!cohol consumed in the manufacture of a pound of tannic so object and do not now. The Senator feom Arkansas stated acid was 57 cents at the present rate of bx on alcohol. In that in reference to acetic acid that he was willing to have a duty of I was mistaken. In looking over the statement to which the 2 cents a pound in order to allo'w the industry to survive. There Senator from Massachusetts now refers, I see that Powers & I thought I saw a principle, the principle of protection embodied WeiO'htman say that under the proposed tax of $1.10 it would be in the Senator's amendment. Yesterday on tannic acid we find 57 ceonts, and for that reason I am inclined to think the rate pro­ another principle of action developed by.the Senator, and that is. posed by us is a little too high. that whatever his judgment may be as to what is a aufficiently Mr. LODGE. Then the Senator from Arkansas will observe protective duty, he will withdraw that duty if it meets with ob­ that the rate originally proposed by him conforms to the re­ jection on this side of the Chamber. q_ue at of the Drug Trade Section also, if you analyze it, because I shall do the best I can to get on with whatever principles of theyputthecompensatoryduty at40cents,and then they say that action the Senator from Arkansas may choose to adopt, because 20 cents more is enough. But Powers & Weightman say that I know that he is endeavoring to do his whole duty as he under­ the compensatory duty must be 57 cents, and adding the addi­ stands it; and, as I took occasion to say yesterday, he is laboring tional amount which the Drug Trade Section says is necessary under many disadvantages and difficulties. The whole tenor of would make a duty of 77 cents. That is the difference in the what I sa_.id was in the direction of encouragement to the Sena­ estimate of the amount of compensatory duty needed. Powers tor from Arkansas. If I said anything to discourage him I wish & Weightman, under the head of "Acid tannic, or tannin­ to withdraw it, and to call his attention to the fact that there (made of nutgall, in fine powder, and sulphuric ether)," say: is no objection whatever on this side of the Chamber to a duty Present duty, 75 cents per pound; House bill, 35 cents per pound; Senate of 75 cents a pound upon tannic acid. If he adopted that rate bill, 35 cents per pound. upon the principle that it would allow the industry to survive, The Senate rate of tax on distilled sp~its will make the tax on ether I.ost he need not withdraw it upon the other principle that Senators . in making 1 pound or acid tannic, or tannin, about 57 cents per pound, while the customs duty suggested is but 35 cents per pound. upon this side of the Chamber object -to it, because they do not The amount or ether required is somewhat variable, but the figures named object to it. we regard as a fair average. . . Mr. President, the Senator from Texas [Mr. MILLS] appealed We consider 75 cents (the present rate or duty) on a pound or aCid tanmc of o.l'flcinal quality as a reasonable and proper rate, and trust that it will be to me to vote with him on this duty bec!l.use I had shown that a maintained, and that the 35 cents may be stricken out. duty of 75 cents a pound was more than the druggists had asked When the bill known as the Mills bill was formulated there was entire for, and the Senator from Texas seemed to assume that I am as willingness expressed to leave rates on all alcoholic preparations undis­ turbed in view ot not changing the spirit tax, whereas in the present case unwilling to vote for a duty that is prohibitive in its operation the House advances the spirit tax 10 cents per gallon and reduces the cus­ as he is to vote for any duty which gives any measure of protec­ toms duties, and the Senate committee still further advances the spirit tax tion whatever. That is not the case. ·I am willing as a protec· lOcents per gallon while allowing th9 reduced customs dutie3 o! the House tionist to vote now and then for a duty which is prohibitive. I bill to remain unchanged. am free to admit, as I showed to the Senate yesterday, that the That of course was before these last amendments had appeared. existing duty of 75 cents a pound on tannic acid is virtually pro· Now comes a very important point: hibitive, because we have not imported under the existing rate -anything but an insignificant quantity of tannic acid, but I am By reference to the taril'f law or Great Britain you will find that duties are imposed on alc0holic preparations at least surficient_to countervail the in­ not afraid of getting duties too high. land revenue tax, as, on chloroform, chloral hydrate, collodion, ether sul­ I am not so afraid of getting duties too high that .if the Sena­ phuric, ether acetic, etc., so that, inasmuch as Great Britain grants protec­ tor from Arkansas [Mr~ JONES] even by mistake should propose tion to none, the question for consideration there was one of simple JUStice and consistency, and not of protection. a duty here which would be higher than isnecessary to equalize That the excessive internal-revenue tax on alcohol is already burdensome conditions and would operate as a prohibitive duty I should de­ enough to manufacturers we hardly think can be disputed. cline -to vote for the duty on that account. I suppose that I That it is but a mea.sqre or ju<>tice not to discriminate against manufactur­ ers of your own country we are sure you will grant to be sound policy. should frefer as much as the Senator from California [Mr. WHITE an ideal duty. The Senator from California has not yet Now, alJ that is asked is that the manufacturers shall be given developed what that ideal duty is, and I am afraid that the limi­ the 20 cents additional to the compensatory duty, and if the com­ tations which the other side are putting upon debate on the pensatory duty is 57 cents, it is perfectly clear that they ought bill will prevent him from stating what his ideal duty is; or it to have 75 or 77 cents additional as the customs duty. may be that the Senator from California, seeing the very small There. is another l'eply on the matter of tannic acid which number of his political associates who are doing the bill the jus­ ahows th!:Lt the expert information agrees on all these points. tice to attend in their places and to hear the debate on the sub- -..

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ject, prefers to wait until tpe empty desks on the other side of When he found that he must go at the end of twelve years, he the Chamber are full and then to give us the guiding principle, immediately left the Republican party. He did not, however, which I assure him we want in this ca-se-his notion of an ideal at once join the Democratic party. He became a member of duty. what was called the L:.tbor party, and entered into an earnest Mr. President, I am seeking for that ideal duty. I wish that campaign in our State to elect a Labor ticket. it could be stated in reference totannicacid,·sothatwemaywork Some gentlemen were conversing with him about his pn.rty, out the princ~ple which is to govern us, and proceed to t.se that and among other questions he was asked, "What are the prin­ principle in the further consideration of the chemical schedule. ciples of this L:tbor party of yours?=' "Principles!" he said, My own idea of an ideal duty 1.s one that will equalize condi- "Principles! Why do you ask such a foolish question as that? tions. I do not insist upon a protective duty, but one of the Why, we have not got into power yet. When wa. do get into principles upon which I think protection is advocated by its power, a few of us will get together and fix up some principles friep.ds is that duties shall be placed upon articles which can be that will be about right.' [L:mghter.] produced in this country. It is not a principle of protection to Now, Mr. President, that seems to me to be the condition of Impose a duty upon articieswhich are not produced in thiscoun- the Senators who are advocating this bill. When they are try, like sugar, tea, and coffee. To impose duties upon those asked what are the principles of the bill they say, "Prlnci­ articles is to seek to obtain a revenue, and it is not the Repub- ples! Why, we have not got the bill through yet; but when we lican policy to obtain a revenue in that way. It is the Repub- get it through we shall get together, some of us, and for public licanpolicytoobtainourcustomsrevenuesfromdutiesuponprod- consumption we will endeavor to fix up some principles that ucts of which this country is capable of furnishing a sufficient ·will be about right." supply for our own needs. Th~refore, when a duty is imposed Nevertheless, it seems to me that Republicans ougl1 t to try for purposes of protection, the object being, whether directly and find the principle, if a principle is to ba found. I have dis­ or incidentally, to encourage the home industry, it is not rna- covered a statement made upon the other side of the Cha:nber terial if a. duty is so high that it wholly prevents the foreign of a principle that I think would content Senators upon this side importation. of the Chamber. I do not know that it will. I did not find my- It only results in that case in giving the American producer self yesterday in full accord with my political associates, who did the whole market, and,as the whole history of protection show!iJ, not seem to have the same faith in the protection principles of whenever the whole home market is given to the home producer the Senators upon the other side of the Chamber that I did, and 'of a product that this country is capable of furnishing in suffi- I am sorry to say that I am obliged to conclude they may have cient quantities, the uniform result has been that at last the been nearer right than I have been, because the Senator from price of the article produced has gone down under the influence Arkansas in his new role did not hold out one whole day . Be· of home production and competition until it has become very fore the day had closed he had withdrawn one of his protective much cheaper to the consumer than it ever was under a system duties, and if we are to go on we do not know how many more he by which the whole product was derived from abroad. will withdraw-starting them in on the principle that the in- So, Mr. President, I am not afraid of voting for a protective dustry is to live, and withdrawing them because he chooses to duty that shall be prohibitive. I shouid prefer a duty that only assume that there are objections upon this side of the.Chamber. equalized conditions. I should prefer a. duty which under or- The junior Senatorfrom Kentucky [.Mr. LINDSAY], on the 27th dinary circumstances would give the home producer the home day of April: as appears by the RECORD, shted a principle of market, but which, whenever the article produced rises to an the Democratic party. He said: inordinate nrice in the home market, will not prevent importa- It is the doctrine of the Democratic party that a tariff for revenue suffl­ tions from -coming in, which will put the money received as cient to meet the expenses or tile Government shall be imposed, and that dutl'es ~"to...... the Treasury and will tend to prevent an extrava- suchlean anda tariff foreign will necessarilylabor. cover the difference between the wages of Amer. gant price for the article to the consumer. If the Senator from I k th tt t' f s h' Cali!ornia desires m'l.· idea as to the ideal duty I have giYen it to as e a en wn ° enators tot lS principle. "' J Mr. ALDRICH. What does the Senator read from? him, and I give it to him in all seriousness, notwithstanding Mr. CHANDLER. I rea{]. from the speech of the Senator from he has been disposed to treat this subject with a certain degree Kentucky [Mr. LINDSAY], who in answer, I think, to the Sena- oflevity. h'b' . d t d tor from Rhode Island was at last induced to develop a principle I say that is the ideal auty-not a pro 1 ltlve u y, nota uty of tariff legislation. Seeking as I . have been doing for the that will not protect, but a duty that will equalize the condi- "pearl of great price," a Democratic tariff principle, I think I tions, and under ordinary circumstances give the home pro- have at la-st found one, and I read it again: ducer the American market. I learned my lesson upon this sub- It is the rlo:!trine of the Democratic party that a ta.ritJ for revenue SUfli· ject from the Senator from Maine [Mr · FRYE], who is now in his cient to meet the expenses of the Government shall be imposed, and that seat, whom I have often heard describe the principle of protect- such a. taritJ will necessarily cover the di1Ierence between the wages of ive duties and set out with clearness and distinctness the kind American and foreign labor. of duties which he believes should be imposed upon articles of Now, if the Senator from Kentucky was sincere, :lf the Sana­ imported merchandise which can be produced as a borne indus- tors upon the other side of the Chamber are sincere and will try in this country. The Senator from Maine, like myself, is adopt that principle in its whole length and breadth, I believe not afraid of occasionally having a duty so high that it will be that we may then agree to go on with the construction of a prohibitive, but the duty he prefers is a duty that equalizes tariff bill with a recognized principle which shall guide our conditions under ordinary circumstances, so that when the price action. of the article is raised inordinately in value it will give us an Mr. ALDRICH. Does the Senator from New Hampshire ad- influx from abroad and, with the revenue that will be derived mit-- therefrom, will tend to keep down the price. The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. PASCO in thechair). Ooes I certainly hope that as this discussion proceeds the Senator the Senator from New Hampshire yield to the Senator from from Maine will aid in the search (which I think it is important Rhode Islan~? to make and which ought to be made, I believe, in the outset of I Mr. CHANDLER. I do. ' the discussion when we are beginning the debate upon the bill) Mr. ALDRICH. Do I understand the Senator from New for some principle upon which this bill may be constructed, and Hampshire to admit that a duty levied for revenue onlv would if not a principle upon which the other side will construct the be necessarily sufficiently protective to American industries? bill, at least some principle upon which Senators on this side Mr. CHANDLER. Now, the Senator is picking flaws with of the Chamber may criticise the bill as its passage is proposed what I thought was an extremely lucid statement of principle. by Senators upon the other side of the Chamber. I do not know what mental reservation the Senator from Ken- It seems to me sometimes that the Senators upon the other tucky had. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity. The word side of the Chamber in the construction of this bill are in the :'only" is not here. He says this is the doctrine of the Demo· condition of a good old man up in N_ew Hampshire who was for- cratic party. If it is the doctrine of the Uemocratic party st:l.ted merly a Republican, but left the Republican party. He had been in two propositions, it is not for me to assume, I beg leave to a postal clerk as an ardent Republican for about four years, and say w the Senator from Rhode Island, that the Senator is in was very much delighted when he was informed that he could earnest in applying one of the propositions, and not in earnest hold on four years longer. ~e 83.id that if he could stay four in applying the other. He says that such a tariff will neces­ years longer: he w;ould be sat1~fied, and would not ask to have his sarily cover the difference petween th9 wages of.American and term of serviCe prolonged. E1g h t years came around, and under foreign labor, and therefore I infer that the Senator is willing the operation of the civil-service reform he was unexpectedly to construct a tariff so framed that the duties imposed will continued in office for twelve years, when he said that mostcer- cover the difference between the wagesof American and foreign ta.inly he would be content to go out at the end of twelve years. labor. I ask the Senator from Rhode Island whether he doubts Twelve years came around. He had .grown old, and did not that that was the intention of the Senator from Kentuck:y and make a good postal clerk, and it was necessary to change him, the intention of Senators upon the other side of the Chamber but he insisted upon being reappointed.to hold for sixteen years. to-day in framing this bill. 4662 OON.GRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. MAY 12,

Mr. ALDRICH. As I understand the -attitude o1 what is mannel' protective duties. Th~y say that they are for .revenue ca.lled the conservative Democratic Senators, especially the duties because "they are constitutional; but if they are protec­ views of my friend from _Alaba,ma [Mr. PUGH], who is now .sit- tive, wbether ltis the case of marble, or sugar, Dr .oottDn cloths, ting directly in front of me, the difference between themselves or woolen cloths, the effect is the same and the name should be and ou.cselves upon the question of protection is simply a ques- the same4 'tion of name. They_are in favor of protective duties that are Mr. CHANDLER. Mr. President, I am not certain that if the called re-venue duties; and we are in favor of protecti-ve duties Senators on the other side of the Chamber will condescend to that we are willing to call protective duties. My friend from di:scuss the question of principle, which discussion the Senator -. Tennessee, for instance, might be willing to have a duty upon from Tennessee this morning seems willing to engage in, we may marble, which w.e would call a protective duty, but he would not before we finish reach a principle of tariff legislation. call it a revenue duty. - Mr. HARRIS. Will the Senator ,allow me io ask him a ques- The two distinguished Senators from Lo•isiana, I think, would tion just at this point? · be found willing to vote for some kind of a duty upon sugar, but Mr. CHANDLER. Certainly. they would insist upon it that it is a revenue duty, and we should Mr~ HARRIS. II the other side of the Chamber will come to call it a prot.ective duty. If any one of these Eo-called conserva- an agree~ent as to a day within any reasonable length oi time tive Democratic Senators happens to have an indUBtry in his upon which the final vote shall be taken upon this bill, I will own State that needs protection he is quite willing to go to the promise him that this .side of the Chamber will join the other full extento1 imposing duties of any ma.gnitude upon that indus- ~de.in debate;, they wou~d be very glad to joinin debate. But, try, but he is always sureto do it with a reservation that in that lD. Vlew of the 1mmensa tlmo that has already been consumed in particular case the duty is a revenue duty. general debate upon the gene-ral principles of tariff taxation, Mr. CHANDLER. The Senator is impeaching the good faith we can not afford to aid the other side of the Chamber in mere of Senators upon the other side oi the Chamber, which I do not time killing to prolong discussion, and in that way postpone the think should be done. passage of the bill, if .aotdefeat its pa-ssage altogether. Mr. ALDRICH. I beg the Senators pardon; I am not doing Mr. TELLER. With the consent of the Senator from New anything of the kind. I am only-- Hampshire, I should like to suggest to thB Senator from Ten- Mr. CHANDLER. I was afraid the Senator was going he- nessee that I have· not heard any propositiDns yet made to .fix a yond the line of legitimate debate in that direction. time. Mr. HARBJS. Will the Senator from New Hampshire allow Mr. HARRIS. I should be very glad to make it now. We me to ask the Senator from Rhode Island a question? shoul3 ba very glad to hear a suggestion of any reasonable time. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator from New Mr. TELLER. I should think it would be well for the Sana- Hampshire vield to the Senator from Tennessee? tors on the other side to confer with some Senators on this .side Mr. CHANDLER. Certainly; I have no objection. and see if we can not agree.on a time. I doubt whether it would Mr. HARRIS. I ask the Senator from Rhode Island if he be wise to attempt it now, because it would be better to con.fer does not think this a lair and proper definition of thB position with some members of the Finance Committee on our side. of the two parties: The Democratic party iavor.s a tariff for Mr. HARRIS. I should be very glad to confer. I may state revenue with such incidental protection as .a revenue tariff "'Will that we have had some conference already that have resulted in give; while the Republican p.arty favors a tariff for protection no agreement and no suggestion . ot a time. I should be very· with such incidental revenue as a protective tariff will give. glad to confer from day t.o day with the members oi the co.m- Mr. ALDRICH. If the Senat.or from New Hampshire will mittee on the othBr side. pardon me further, I wish to say that the doctrine now laid Mr.RALE. Mr. President-- down by the Senator frnm Tennessee in regard to the attitude The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator Iram New of the Democratic party was the ]>Osition taken by that party Hampshire yie1d to the Senator from Maine? all through its history, I think, up to avery recen~ date, ~ut Mr. CHANDLER. Certainly. in 1892 the party declared solemnly that all prC!tee~1ve duties Mr. HALE. I thirik it is nothing more than reasonable, if any and a11 protection was a fraud and was unconst1tut1onal. All .suggeBtion is made that a vote shall be taken upon the final pas­ throuo-h the early history of the Democratic party their doc-. sage of this great bill, that the majority should at least fur a trine,""as I have always underatood it to be, was that they were comparativcly shor.t time put us in possession of the bill that in favor of n revenue sufficient to meet the wants nf the Govern- we .are to debate~ I .am quite willing for one, with no intention ment econ1>mically administered, and that in levying those du- of consuming time unduly, to join in a general debate upon the ties incidental prote<;tion should be given by discriminating principles which have been considered as underlying the two duties upon products competing with American products. parties; hut I do not care to submit myself to that effort, to take Mr. HARRIS. Will the Senator aUowmeto ask him a ques- the time of the Senate and of the country, if there is nothing tion? · substantial between the two sides of the Chamber. If we .are Mr. ALDRICH. Certainly. going to agree upon a day for voting upon a bill that is growing Mr. HARRIS. Does .not every duty imposed, no matter how nearer and nearer toward protection, the time can be better small, protect to the extent of the duty? spent by the other side in passing their.moments and their hours Mr. ALDRICH. I will •say most emphatically no. u_pon th-eir knees in penitence and contrition and lraming a bill Mr. HARRIS. The Senator surprises me very much by the that comes ne_arer and nearer to pr.otection. That would help answer. Let it go on record. us out, let me tell the Senator from Tennessee, much better than Mr. ALDRICH. I think that is :a .matter -very easily to be to go on discussing general principles. . demonstrated. If it costs, for instance, a dollar to make a yard By the way, the Senator has stated very clearly w.hat he un­ of woolen cloth in England and a dollar and :a half to make the derstands to be tb.e distinction and what is the cardinal propo­ same yard of woolen cloth in the United States, owing to the sition of the Democratic party about revenue and tariff .duties different conditions, largely growing out of the larger earnings that it is duties which must necessarily be laid for the purpos~ of labor in the United States, and a dutyis le-vied of 10 cents on of raising revenue, in order to gain revenue and not for protec­ woolen cloths, it is no more protective-to the American producer tion. That is a good definition. As the Senator from Rhode than no duty a.t all would have been. lf a duty of 40 centa was lsland has said, that is not the Republican doctrine. But I am added and the conditions remain equal, .it is no more protective led by the documents before me to _ask the Senator to give me to AmericRn producers and to the persons who engage in the l!ome information. American industr:y than. absolute free trade would be. Taking the statement of what Democracy is and whatitmeans, A duty, as I have had occasion to say in the Senate many a let me ask the Senator from Tennessee whe~her that doctrine is time, is either-protective or it is not protective. If it is protec- carried out by the bill which I have before me, which was before tive it matters not whether it is called a revenue duty or a duty the other House for between three ana four months, and which levied for incidental p1'otection or a protective duty. If the es- .came to us as the Wilson bill. I should like to ask the Senator sence of the duty is the same th-e name .is Di no coneequence whether that bill in itself is drawn in accordance with his prop­ whatever. A duty levied to equalize conditions between two osition as to what the theory of the Democratic party is about countries, whether it is called a .revenue duty .or by any other the laying of taxes. name, is in effect a protective duty. That :is the kind of duty Then, wnen the Senator has answered that question, I wffi evBry Senator sitting upon this side o.f the Chamber is for, and ask him to :take up another document, which I have here before we a.re willing to .come up and .say courageously and1ra.nk1ytha-t m..e. It is the bill called the Wilson bill, materially changed by that is what we are for. the Senate .committee in many 'Places, .and changed in a .direc- I know, as the Senator from Texas .[Mr . .M .ILLS] said in the tioninvolvingtheprinciplesthatunderliethetwopartiesand the oifening of this d.iBcussion, that there areman_y Senators sitting differences between tbem. upon the other side of the Chamber (I have -some of them in my Then, if the Senator tells me that tha.t is a bill he would like eye at this moment) who are in favor of the same policy, hut us to fix a time upon which we shall vote .or upon which the time they are not quite willing as yet to call the duties leYied in this ' shall he.cansum.ed in .discussion, I g.o .a 1i.ttJ..e ruth-er ana tak~ up . 1894.- CONGRESSIONAL "RECORD-SENATE. 4663

another document, a document that I think by unanimous consent Oh, Mr. President, we have had many tariff bills and they it has been agreed that the clerks shall use. ha-ve been changed in one body with certain disagreements that Mr. PLATT (to Mr. HALE). Read the heading. involved distinctive attitudes upon _propositions somewhat local . Mr. HALE. Yes, I will read what the dooRmen t is, for if this in their tendencies. So House bills have been modified and al­ ~greemen~ is to be made and if the disposition of the Senator ways will be; but never in the history of this country or of any to force some bill through is gratified we should know what it legislative assembly was any 'POOr bill so taken and deformed is that we are to talk about. Here is this last bill that we are and split apart and amended and distorted, all its provisions and to talk about first and then we are to vote upon. I want the principles subverted, as this poor Wilson bill has been. Never. Senator from Tennessee to see that I am proceeding in entire I want to ask the Senator from Tennessee, before he puts to us good faith. I have directed his attention to two other bills the so confidently a proposition that we ought to fix a date for a final Wilson tariff bill, the Democratic House oi Representatives' tar· vote, whether he ever knew within a week's time after the great iff bill, drawn upon the theory, I suppose, that he has so clearly cardinal propositions of a bill are submitted to the Senate any­ stated, and next the Senate Committee's bill, immensely changed, body else ever having the audacity to get up and ask to fix a subverted in many ways, and yet with some oi its old linea­ time. · ments. I want the Senator to tell me whether the second bill Mr. President, this last bill that I have taken from my desk, ~ is-the measure we are to discuss and vote upon, or this last doc­ which contains the Jones and Vest amendments, with the p.ment. I will not Sa.y "last," because it is only the last up to bra.cketings and omissioruJ and the struck-out clauses, is not this date. a mere deviation in immaterial details or amendmants in the Now, let me read what the novice, what anybody in the coun­ direction of the principle of the bill, but it contains in its four­ try-the whole country is interested in this subject-what this hundred and twenty-eight amendments hundreds and hundreds ~orning anybody coming to Washington and seeking for infor­ of cases where the two cardinal propositions of Democratic mation as to what is before the Senate, would find on one of the tal;iff legislation are abandoned absolutely. Propositions of ad ]illls that I want the Senator to answer me upon. The title part valorem duties, .to which the Senator from Texas [Mr. MILLS] of this bill reads: and the chairman of the committee [Mr. VOORHEES] have com­ [caiendar No., 307. mitted themselves, and which that side generally believe in, !?3d Congress, propositions of tariff for revenue only, in place after place-I am 2d session. H. R. 4864. glad to see it; I am glad toseethissignof repentance; I am glad That, by the way, is about the only thing that remains of the to see our friends coming over to us-in place after place, clause pld Wilson bilL I am willing to debate that if the Senator de­ after clause, duty a!ter duty, the old provisions put in the Wil­ aires us to fix a day when we shall vote. We could probably son bill in the House of Representatives, propositions of ad va­ come to accord on these first two lines: lorem duties for the purpose of revenue only have been aban­ {Calendar No., 307. doned and the provisions of the McKinley law itself put in. ~2d Congress, Now, when the Senator's party has been gradually coming: 2dsession. H. R. 485!. over upon proposition after proposition, subject-matter after Now, what next? subject-matter, to our side of this question, and where we would welcome him-and the Senator from New Hampshire does wel­ WITH PROPOSED AMENDJdEN'l'S. come him gladly-I wish there were more of these cases; I wish In the Senate of the United States. there were more of them-does he think that it is good parlia­ February 2, 1894.-Rea.d twice, and referred to the Committee on Finance. March 20, 1894- mentary management to propose within less than a week after this document has been printed that a time should be fixed? Then the bill emerges another bill- Mr .. :ALDRICH. It was laid before the Senate yesterday Reported by Mr. VooRHEES with amendments, viz: Omit the parts stTuck m-orrung. through and insert the parts printed in italics. :Mr. HALE. As the Senator from Rhode Island says it was If anybody will take that bill, which is covered by the date laid before tbe Senate yesterday morning. ' mentioned, he will find all through upon almost every page the ·Mr. President, we may as well have a little plain talk about original bill struck through and clauses inserted in italics this matter. Is this the programme? It has been intimated to changing the Wilson bill entirely. We had got as far as that a great many of us, and it has been intimated from SO!.lrces not on March 20, 1~94. Now: Republican but from high priests in the school of modern May 7, 1894.-0rdered to be reprinted with amendments reported and in- Democracy and free trade, tariff for revenue, that the only ob­ tended to be proposed. . ject of the last series of amendments embodied in the docu­ We had then the last emanation from the other side of the ment which I hold in my hand~ making practically a new bill Ohamber. So much time has been given presumably, if nobody is, as I said the other day, to grease the way of the bill throuD"h who looks at the amendments that are reported, after fasting the Senate and get it out of this body. Is that what the s;n­ ttnd prayer and repentance over what had been attempted to be ator means, when, on the second day after this document has done before, and this is how the text of these new clauses is been submitted to the Senate, he comes in and asks us to fix a found on this page of the bill. time when the final vote shall be taken on the bill? After having grease~ the wheels so. that t?-e bill shall slide through, TEX~ OF HoUSE BILL in roman type. 1 and after havmg on many rndustr1es abandoned their own This is very- interestingJ Mr. President, to anybody who is ground and taken our ground, is it the plan of the Senators eeeking to know what is before the Senate, what we are to de­ upon the other side and of the Finance Committee to get this bate, what we are to vote upon. bill through, to let it pass from the supervision and control of TExT OF HOUSE .BILL in roman type-. the Senate and throw it into a conference committee with the in tremendous power that such body has, representing ~:pparently , That text makes very little figure this bill. the two Houses, but having autocratic power, to thengiveaway TEXT OF HOUSE BILL 1n roman type. FINANCE COMMITTEE ACTION: New matt& in italics. omitted matter in all of these things and treat us practically to the old Wilson stl'uck-through type.G bill? Is that what the Senator from Tennessee meall.S when he That is another description of what is left by the Senate com- proposes to shut uo the mouths of everybody here and get this mittee. · bill through? · As I have said, we may as well have a few plain words on that JONES AMENDMEl.~S: New matter in small type- po.int. The-re is no disposition to unduly debate this bill, or to It is not small matter in new type [laughter]-not by any fihbuster, or to resort to any methods that will not be legiti­ means. It is- mate as fair legislation; but if the last bill has been reported New matter in small type- here, giving up apparently the Democratic ground in hundreds So much so, that the type was compressed in order to give of ~st~n~es for the pu~·pose of getting it through the Senate, room- and 1t 1s mtended that 1tshall then go to a conference commit­ omitted matter inclosed in heavy brackets. tee and that the final bill shall give all this away, and the coun­ The new series of amendments put in this form is the farewell try, which has been to a degree encouraged by these instances that is given to the old provisions, which are bracketed and put oi apparent penitence on the part of the Democratic party, is to in black mourning, and I suppose with the old oft-repeated ad­ be at last confronted with the old, murderous bill that came to juration to let them go and thank God that we are rid o1 the the Senate from the House of Representatives, then I notiiy knave. The Wilson bill is consigned to brackets, held. in mourn­ Senators that that bill can not go through. Then I notify Se.na­ ing brackets. But the novice, the layman who is seeking for tf this tariff bill with the Senator from Ar­ ators, I take the liberty to notify you that no bill of that kind kansas [Mr. JONES], the Senator from Missouri [Mr. VEST], and will be allowed to go through. The minority will find ways to the Senator from New Jersey [Mr. McPHERSON], and go on more prevent it. amicably than we were likely to go on up to the time when the :Mr. CHANDLER. Mr. President, the Senator from Tennes­ Senator from Arkansas came into the Senate and held out to us see [Mr. HARRIS], after sts.ting his principle of tariff legisla­ the olive branch of protection. I say when the Senators upon tion, to wit, incidental protection to American industry, sug­ other side are willing to abandon and renounce and denounce gested that he would be willing to continue to discuss the ques­ the platform of 1892 and go back and accept the platform of 1868 tion of principle if Senators upon this side of the Chamber would and the platform of 1884, the two parties will be rapidly ap­ agree upon a time to vote. I will deal frankly myself with the proaching each other. If we can succeed in adopting those prin­ Senator. If a principle of tariff construction could be agreed ciples and in framing a tariff bill upon those principles, then we upon, could be stated in words derived from Democratic plat­ have arrived at the millenium, when this great economic ques­ forms and Democratic speeches, which is satisfactory to the Sen­ tion of a tariff shall be taken out of partisan politics. ators upon the other side of the Chamber, and satisfactory to Mr. President, I understand that we have substantially reached Senators upon this side of the Chamber (and I do not despair of that point if the position of the Senators upon that other side of the hope that such may be the case), then individually I should the Chamber in charge of t.his bill is frankly a-ecepted by Sena­ be willing, if my associates upon this side of the Chamber would tors upon this side of the Chamber; and therefore it was that I agree to it, that three months after that principle should be agreed deprecated any imputation of bad faith in advance. "Therefore upon as a guide to framing this bill we should begin to vote upon it is that I insist we ought to go on and frame this bill in ac­ the bill and amendments, and should conclude the vote within a cordance" with the principles of protection. We ought not to week after we had begun voting. So much for my own individ­ be:discouraged even because the Senator from Arkansas yester­ ual position. I am not at liberty, however, to bind myself abso­ day, having proposed a duty of 75 cents a pound, concludes tore­ lutely even in that direction until after there has been aRe· cede to 60 cents a pound. The Senator from Arkansas undoubt­ publican conference upon the subject. edly has moments of timidity and hesitation, but I am convinced Nevertheless, Mr. President, I insist upon pursuing the in­ that if the Senators upon this side of the Chamber will be gov-. quiry, where is the principle? Can we find a principle? I think erned by the spirit in which I propose to meet these con versions the Senator from Maine(and he will allow me kindly to say it to instead of that which I am sorry to say seems to me to imbue him as his speech was made in my time) has been premature; at the Senator from Rhode Island [Mr. ALDRICH], and the Senator least premature in imputing an intention of bad faith upon the from Maine [Mr. HALE], we shall get on with this bill much part of Senators on the other side of the Chamber. In view of more satisfactory than we have any right to expect. the noble attitude which the Senator from Arkansas[Mr.JONES] I will state what I understand to be the attitude of the Senator has deliberately adopted, why has the Senator chosen to dis­ from Arkansas and the Senators upon that side of the Chamber courage him by imputing to him an intention of securing all who are now handling this remarkable production of the human these amendments in the Senate and then abandoning them in intellect which has been dissected by the Senator from Maine. a committee of conference? In order to be precise I have written out the position which I M:r. HALE. I hope that the Senator from New Hampshire, understand them to occupy. whom I know to belargelyin sympathy with our friends on the First. They distinctly abandon the platform of 18<;)2 that all other side in this matter, will not-by what he says so well pre­ protection is unconstitutional. vent me from getting, what I hope to get, an answer from the Second. They adopt the platforms of 1868 and 1884r and de­ other side. I hope the Senator will not go on and answer my clare as their governing principle that internal taxes and tariff propositions and questions in so effectual a way that the other duties shall be so adjusted as to encourage home industries, and side will not have to answer them. I would rather have the an­ that the duties shall be high enough to compensate for the dif­ swer !rom the other side. ference between foreign and American wages, Mr. CHANDLER. Mr. President, I prefer that they should Third. They pledge themselves to revise the Wilson-Voor­ not answer until they hear me fully. I repeat- hees bill upon the principles of the platforms of 1868 and 1884. Mr. ALDRICH. Mr. President- Fourth. They pledge,themselves not to abandon the protect­ Mr. CHANDLER. No; I will not yield to the Senator. Im­ ive duties thus fixed by surrendering them in a conference com­ putations of bad faith should be ·seldom and reluctantly made by mittee of the two Houses of Congress. one political party against the members of another political Fifth. They pledge themselves to treat these duties and the party when they are on the high roa-d to confession and repent­ principles upon which they are based as a finality, and not to at­ ance. tempt to revert to the principles of 1892 as a basis of future Mr. HALE. I agree with the Senator. legislation, if the Democratic party should be in power in future Mr. ALDRICH. Will the Senator from New Hampshire al- Congresses. Their renunciation of the 1892 declarations is full, low me? ' final, and irrevocable. The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. BERRY in the chair). The That is what I fairly understand to be the position of Senators Senator from New Hampshire declines to yield. The Senator upon the other side of the Chamber, and I deduce that from from Rhode Island is out of order. their whole conduct in the revisions of this bill which they have Mr. CHANDLER. I should like to get on with my argument. made since it first came from the Committee on Financa . I must decline to yield. Mr. MORRILL. I desire to state to the Senator from New Mr. ALDRICH. I should like- Hampshire that he will not find any protection in the Demo­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New Hamp­ cratic platform of 1868 except what arises from internal taxes, shire has declined to yield to the Senator from Rhode Island. that is, taxes on tobacco, liquor, etc. Mr. CHANDLER. Mr. President, all this diverts my mind Mr. ALDRICH. I suggest that our friends on the other side from what I want to keep it steadily fixed upon, the principle of the Chamber ought to hear this statement. of tariff legislation. I can find that principle- which if adopted The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator from New will sacure a vote upon this bill by agreement. I can find it in Hampshire yield to the Senator from Rhode Island? Democratic platforms, I can find it in the Democratic platform Mr. CHANDLER. I do. of 1868. I submit to Senators upon the other side of the Cham­ Mr. ALDRICH. I raise the question that there is no quorum ber and to Senators upon this side of the Chamber the declara­ present. • tion of the Seymour and Blair convention (and that was a Demo­ ThePRESIDINGOFFICER. TheSecretarywillcall theroll. cratic convention ii there ever was one) in favor of '' a tariff for The Secretary called the roll, and the following Senators an­ revenue upon foreign imports:" swered to their names: And such equal taxation under the internal-revenue laws as will alford in­ Aldrich, Frye, McLaurin, Quay, cidental protection to domestic manufactures, and as will, without impair­ Allen, George, McMillan, Ransom, ing the revenue, impose the least burden unon and best promote and encour­ Allison, Gordon, McPherson, Roach, aging the great industrial int-erests of the·country. Bate, Hale, Manderson, Sherman, Berry, Harris, Martin. Shoup, That is the plank of 1868. I now turn to the platform of 1884, Blackburn, Hawley, Mitchell, Wis. Stewart, where the Democratic pat'ty declares its principle upon which Blanchard, Higgins, Morrill, Teller, Brice, Hoar, Pasco, Turpie, tariff reduction is to be effected: Call, Hunton, Patton, Vest, The necessary reduction au'l taxation can and must be effected without Chandler, Irby, Pefl'er, Voorhees, depriving American labor or the ability to compete successfully with for­ Cockrell, Jarvis, Perkins, White. eign labor .and without imposing lower ratesot duty than will be ample to Daniel, Jones, Ark. Pettigrew, cover any mcrea.sed cost ot production which may exist in consequence ot Dixon, Jones, Nev. Platt, the higher rate of wages prevailing in this country, Dolph, Lodge, Pugh, 1894. __ OONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 4665 ._

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Fifty-three Senators have an­ continyed in ;political power, to revert to the repudiated plat• - swered to their names. A quorum is present. The Senator from form of 1892. · New H~:~>mpshire will proceed. · Mr. ALLEN. Mr. President- Mr. ALDRICH. Will the Senator from New Hampshire Mr. CHANDLER. I yield to the Senator from Nebraska. yield to me? Mr. ALL:IDN. I should like to ask the Senator from New Mr. CHANDLER. I would prefer to. go on, but I will yield Hampshire if, in mentioning the distinction between these dif· to the Senator from Rhode Island. ferent gentlemen, he has the party to which I have the honor Mr. ALDRICH. I sought to obtain the floor some time ago to belong properly classified? for the purfose of saying that I thought the Senator from Maine Mr. CHANDLER. I had for the moment forgotten the Sen· [Mr. HALE was giving undue credence to the rumors which he ator and his party. [Laughter.] had heard as to the disposition or intention to give away all the Mr. ALLEN. I supposed so. Senate amendments in a conference committee. Mr. HALE. Let me ask the Senator-there were some of us I hope the Senator from Ohio [Mr. BRICE] will not leave the who did not hear it-to rea.d again his statement of what he un­ Chamber at this moment. I have seen a statement in the news­ derstands to be at this momentthe position of our friends on the papers (and I know how unreliable newspaper statements are) other side in regard to this bill. to the effect that the so-called conser1ative Senators upon the Mr. CHANDLER. They have nearly all ~one out again, Mr. other side of the Chamber who have gained the credit of having President [laughter], and they will see itin the RECORD. secured these changes have an agreement upon the other side Mr. HALE. I hope the Senator will read the statement once that the bill is to become a law as the Senate passes it, without more. going to a conference committee. H- that is true, of course the Mr. CHANDLER. I will do so, but I dislike to burden the fears and apprehensions of my friend from Maine are ground­ RECORD. I suppose I might read itagainandyetnothave it twice less. I am sure that the Senate and the country would be de­ inserted in the RECORD. _ lighted to hear some authoritative statement from one of the Mr. HALE. The Senator might save something in that way. representatives of the conservative Senators on the other side Mr. CHANDLER. I shall read it: in order that I may be ac­ as to the truth of that rumor. curate in what I say. Mr. BRICE. Does the Senator make an interrogation? I am speaking of the Democratic leaders on the other side of Mr. ALDRICH. I intended to do so. the Chamber. I will make any exception which any Senator de­ Mr. BRICE. What is the inquiry? sires to have made, and I certainly and distinctly except the Mr. ALDRICH. The Senator from Maine has stated-! do Senator from Nebraska [Mr. ALLEN], who seems to be in some not know whether it was in the he3.ring of the Senator from apprehension lest he shall be either forgotten or improperly Ohio-that there was a purpose upon the other side of the classified. [Laughter.] Chamber to give anything in· the way of amendments to this First. They distinctly abandon the platform' of 1892, that all bill which would enable it to pass through the Senate, with ~'m protection is unconstitutional. idea of giving it up in conference. I have seen a statement (I Second. They adopt the platfor;ns of 1868 and 1884, and declare, do not know to what extent it should be credited) to the effect as their governing principle, that internal taxes and tariff duties that there was an understanding on the part of conservative shall be so adjusted as to encourage home industries, and that Senators that this bill was to pass the other House exactly as it duties shall be high enough to compensate for the difference be- · came from the Senate. tween foreign and American wages. · Mr. BRICE. So far as I am concerned I have never heard of Third. They pledge themselves to revise the Wilson-Voorhees any such understanding. I have no such agreement with any bill upon the principles of the platforms of 1868 and 1884. Senator or Senators, and I know of no such agreement having Fourth. They pledge theinsel ves not to abandon the protective been made. duties thus fixed by surrendering them in a conference commit­ Mr. ALDRICH. Does that apply to the statement of the tee of the two Houses of Congress. Senator from Maine as well as to mine? Fifth. They pledge themselves to treat these duties and the Mr. BRICE. That applies to the statement made by the ~en­ principles upon which they are based as a finality, and not to ator from Maine as well as to yours. I may say, further, that attempt to revert to the principles of 1892 as a basis of- future so far as I am individually concerned I have no arrangement or legislation, if the Damocratic party should ·be in power in fu­ agreement as to the bill as a whole or as to any amendment or ture Congresses·. Their renunciation of the 1892 declarations is change contained in it or suggested to be made to it. full, final, and irrevocable. Mr. HALE. In a quiet way I aided the Senator from Rhode Mr. LODGE. Will the Senator from New Hampshire allow Isiand in apprehending the Senator from Ohio before he escaped me, as I have not interrupted him before, and shall not now ex­ from the Chamber, because I hoped that his reply to the quee.­ cept for a mqment to make a suggestion in the line of there­ tion would be in the direction of relieving my apprehensions. marks he has been making? I feel no hesitation on the point I regret very much that instead of relieving those apprehen­ of delay, because the Senator from Tennessee [Mr. HARRIS]him­ sions, for they are genuine in me, as to what will be the fate of self has opened up the discussion of the general principles. The all these amendments, that they will be given up in conference, point I wish to make is that I notice the Senator from New the Senator from Ohio, who keeps a pretty bright outlook on Hampshire several times has alluded to the retreg,t o! the Sen­ things that are passing under his eye, is not able to give any ator from Arkansas [Mr. JONES] from 75 cents to 60 cents on assurance whatever; and unless in some way these apprehen­ tannic acid, and bas spoken of it with regret: as showing a fall· sions, which take their root and form from Democratic sources, ing off, but he seem.s not to have given due credit to the great are put at rest, Senators upon the other side and upon this side advance which has been exhibited this morning, when the Sen­ must expect to be met with more or less of prophecy as to what ator from Tennessee has declared it to!be the principle of the will be the result in the direction I have indicated. Democratic party that we should have a tariff for revenue with Mr. CHANDLER. I repeat, I am sorry the Senator from incidental protection. Maine has shown this dh;trust in advance. All the indications, That is an immense advanc.e, becausa if incidental protection until the Senator from Arkansas r~ceded from 75 cents to 60 isconstitutional and right, the step to general protection, which cents, were in the direction of absolute good faith. If this new is scientific as well as constitutional, is avery short one tomake departure of Democracy means anything it means exactly the for logical minds, such as are now engaged in the making up of five propositions which I have setdown in writing, and towhich this bill, and I knew the Senator from New Hampshire would I contend the Democratic Senators upon the other side of the be unwilling to omit that point as showing the rapidity with Chamber are committed as honorable gentlemen-as honorable which we are advancing to the common ground which he is do­ Northern .gentlemen, as honorable Southern gentleman. We ing so much to bring us on. sometimes hear the expression" Southern gentlemen" used as I also want to say now, while I am up, that I am very glad that if it implied a distinction between a Northern gentlelilflJl and a he has deprecated the position taken by the Senator-from Maine Southern gentleman, as indicating that there is a higher de­ LMr. HALE] on the question of a conference committee. The gree of honor in force among Southern gentlemen than among air is full of rumors, as everybody knows, weheariteverywhere, Northern gentlemen. that the moment these amendments are put on, they are all to . Mr. President, when a tariff bill is being reconstructed unon be abandoned in conference, and the bill is to come out with all these principles, and the four hundred amendments are brought the industries which have been protected so carefully after due in here by the Senator from Arkansas, and all· these proposi­ representation by persons who are interested in them aban· tions are fa~rlr dedu?ible from the position which they have doned. I am very glad that the f?enator from New Hampsbjre taken, I say 1t IS unWISe and premature to undertake to impute deprecates any such imputation as that. bad faith to the Senators upon the other side of the Chamber, Mr. CHANDLER. I was awar"e that the excellent neighbor· or to say that they are either going to give away these amend­ hood in-which the Senator from Massachusetts finds himself ments in conference, or to assert that they only want to get this placed, and that the daily and hourly consultations which he bill through for this Congress and ~tend hereafter, if they are has with the Senatorathisright, have instilled good notions into . •

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I1 ------~------~~------his head on many subjects; but I am sorry that h~ should have Mr. GORDON (when his name was called). I am paired with ; thoucrhti was so dull and unimpressionable aseithernottohave the junior Senator from Iowa [M1•. WILSON]. If he were pres­ unde";.stood the Senator from Tennessee or not to have had my ent I should vote •1 nay." Iheasrt inspired with great joy at his declaration that he is in Mr. HUNTON (when his name was called). I announce for :.favor of a tariff which gives protection to American industry. the day that I am paired with the Senator from New Hampshire 1[Laughter.] . [Mr. GALLINGER1 who is absent in the ex.ecution of an order of ·/ Mr. President, thus having establishe~ as I conceive, the po­ the Senate. sition of Senatorsunon the other side of the Chamber, thus havmg Mr. LODGE (when his name was called). I am paired with discovered the principles which they,. as honorable gentlem~n, the senior Senator from New York [Mr. HILL], but I will trans­ have laid down, I say thatwehavenothing to do but to goon w1th fer that pair, as I did yesterday, to the Senator from Colorado the revision of the bill, to go on with the items ~f the pill, if thes.e [Mr. WoLCOTT1 which enables both the Senator from Ohio [Mr. I principles are adhered to, and to make up a bill which, when 1t BRICE] and myself to vote~ I vote " yea." is perfected in accordance with those principles, shall go to a Mr. MITCHELLof W!Seonsin(when his name was called)4 I vote, so that we may reach our homes some time before the No­ am paired with the Senator from Wyoming [Mr. CAREY]. If vember elections. he were prese~t I should vote " nay/' I want to speak in the concrete. I want to state what will Mr. QUAY (when his name was called). I am paired with the satisfy me. I am willing to be satisfied with the principle Senator from Alabama [Mr. MORGAN]. If he were present I which the Senator from Tennessee has laid down, if it goes far should vote "yea." enough. I shall not insist upon having the bill respond in every Mr. TURPIE (when his name was called). I am paired with part of it to the principles which the Senator from New Jersey the Senator from Minnesota (Mr. DA.VIS], and therefore withhold [Mr. McPHERSON] laid down in December last, when he inter­ myvote. · rupted the Senator from illinois [Mr. CULLOM] to say ~t the Mr. VEST (when his name was called). I announce for the Wilson bill as it came from the House oi Representatives ,em­ day that I transfer.my pair with the Senator from Minnesota [Mr. podied the principle of tariff protection to a greater extent than WASHBURN] to the Senator from Kentucky [Mr. LINDSAY], a.nd any bill that had ever been framed in any Congress. I do not vote "nay." demand unreasonable things, Mr. President; I do not demand The roll call was concluded. that the principle of the Se~ator ~om New Jersey shall be the Mr. MANDERSON (after having voted in the affirmative). I one by which we are to revlBe th1s bilL I am content to take should like to be informed whether the Senator from KentuckY the principles of the Democratic platforms of 1868 and 1884 as [Mr. BLACKBURN] has voted? reenforced to-day ~y the Senator from .T~nnessee. . . . The PRESIDING OFFICER. He has not. As one illustratiOn of what I am willin~ to do Wlth this b11l Mr. MANDERSON. I withdraw my T'Ote, as I am paired with I shall state w.hat is before the Senate in reference to one item that Senator~ of it. Collars and cuffs had a duty under the McKinley act of Mr. CALL. Iam paired with the Senator fromVer'mont[Mr. 30 cents a. dozen, and! think 35 per cent ad valorem. The House PROCTOR]. I will transfer -that pair to the Senator from South of Representatives, imbued with the spirit of tariff reform and Dakota LMr. KYLE1 and vote" nay." the now Senatorially repudiated platform of 1892, provided that Mr. BATE. I observe that the Senator from Vermont [Mr. collars and cuffs should have .only a duty of 30 per cent ad MORRILL], with whom I am temporarily paired, is not present. valorem. We agreed that either of us should be at liberty to vote on all The Senate committee, when they first reported the bill, re­ occasions on the chemical schedule regardless of our pair. I ported a duty of 50 per-cent ad valorem. Now, unde1· the Jones shall therefore let my vote stand. amendment. collars and cuffs are to have 30 cents a dozen _and in 11r. GORDON. I desire to announce the pa.iroi mycollea.gue addition 30 per cent ad valorem. That is entirely satisfactory [Mr. WALSH] with the Senator from Pennsylvania [Mr. CAM· as to collars and cuffs. If we assume that collars and cuffs are ERON]. worth 5 cents apiece, and that 2t cents is 50 per cent specifi(} The result \vas announced-yeas 16, nays 25; as follows: duty 30 per cent more ad valorem makes SOper cent ad valorem upon' collars and cuffs. I accept the principle of the other side, YEAS- 16. and I accept their application of it, and we have nothing to do Aldrich, Hawley, Lodge, Powel", Allison, ffiggins, McMillin, Sherma.nl butt::> go on and r~constr~ct all the items ~ tJ:ie bi~l upon a Dolph, Hoar, Perkins, Shoup, collar-and-cuff baslS, and 1t can be passed Wlthin th1rty days~ Hale, Jones, Nev. Platt. Teller. [La.ughter.] NAYS-2;). The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question ison the amend­ Allen, Call. Jones, Ark. Ransom, ment proposed by the Senator from Arkansas [Mr. JONES]. Bate, Cockel"ell, McLaurin, Ves.t, Mr. ALDRICH. I move to strike out "Bixty ""and insert Berry. Daniel, McPherson, Voorhees, Blanchard, CMol"~e, Martin, White, "seventy-five." Brice, Hams, Pasco, The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on the amend­ Butler, lrby. Pe:tfer, ment -proposed by the Senator from Rhode Island to the amend­ Caffery, Jarvis, Pugh, ment of the Senator from Arkansas to strike out "sixty" and NOT VOTING-«. 'insert ''seventy-five." Blaekblll"ll, Frye, Manderson, Quay, Mr. HARRIS. I move to lay the amendment on th~ table. Camden, Gallinger, Mills, Roach, Mr. ALDRICH. I hope we shall get a vote on the amend­ Ca.meron, Gibson, Mitchell, Oregon Smith, Carey, Gordon, Mitchell, Wis. Squire, ment without layin~ it on the table. Chandler, Gorman, Morgan, Stewart, .Mr. CULLOM.. Let us have the yeas andnaysdireetlyon .the Coke. Gray, Morxill, Turpie, amendment to the amendment. Cullom, Hansbrough, Murphy, Vil.a.s, If Davis, Hill, Pa.lm.Br, Walsh, Mr. HARRIS. we can have a vote on the amendment I am Dixon, Hunton, Patton, Washburn, willing to let it come on that. Dubois, :Kyle, .Pettigrew, Wilson, The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on the amend­ Faulkner, Lindsay, Proctor, Wolcott. ment proposed by the Senator from Rhode Island to the amend­ The PRESIDING OFFICER.. No quorum has voted. The ment proposed by the Senator from Arkansas. Secretary will call the roll . .Mr. DOLPH, Mr. LODGE, .and oth-eTs called for the yeas and Mr. TURPIE. As no quorum has voted, may I record my nays. - vote? The yeas and nays were ordered, a.nd the Secretary proceeded The PRESIDING OFFICER. It is too late. No quoru:tn is to call the roll. present. The Chair has announced the result, and under the Mr~ BUTLER (when his name was called). I am paired with rule, except by unanimous consent, the Senator can not vote. the Senator from Pennsylvania. [Mr. CAMERO.N], and I believe The roll will be called. the Senator fr.om Georgia [Mr. WALSH], who is absent, is hot The Secretary called the roll, and the following Senators an­ paired. I tmnsfer my pair to the Senator from Georgia., and swered to their names: vote'' nay. ~ ' - Mr. CULLOM (when his name was called). I .am paired with Allison, Dixon, . Jones, Ark Quay, :Bate, Dolph, McLaurin, Ransom the Senator from Delaware .[Mr. GRAY]. If he were prese~t I Berry. Frye, McMillan, Roa.eh, should vote ''yea." Blanchard. George, McPherson, Sherman Mr. DIXON (when his name was call-ed). I am paired with Brice, Gordon, . Manderson, Shoup, Butler, Harris, Martin, Stewart, the Senator from West Virginia [)fr. FAULKNER]. If he were OaJrery, Hawley, Mitchell, Wis Teller, present I should vote '' yea." Call, Higgins, Pasco, Turpie, Mr. FRYE (when his name was called). I announce now for the Coclcr.ell, Hoar, .Petter, V-est, Oolre, 'Hunton, Perkins, Voorhees, da.y that I am paired with theSenatorfromMarylan.d. [Mr.GOR­ Cullom, Irby, Platt, White. MAN], who is absent in execution of an o.rder oi the Senate. Daniel, · J.ar-yjs, Pugh,

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I· Gordon. Jones, Ark. Perkins, Teller, Mr. CULLOM{when Mr. PALMER'S name. was caUed) .. My Harris, McLaurin, Platt, Turpie, QOlleague [Mr. p .ALMER] is absent from the Clty by authOl'l ty Of Hawley, McMillan, Power, Vest, the Senate to atoond the funeral oi a member of the other Higgins, McPherson, Proctor, Voorhees, Hoar, Martin, Pugh, White. House. uTT ] Hunton, Mitchell, Wis. Quay, Mr. COKE. I desire to state that my colleague {Mr. ~~s Irby, Palmer, Roach, ~ to go home to-day, being attacked with a chill. He lS qmte Jarvis, Peffer, Shoup, ill. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Forty-five Senators have an· · The PRESIDING OFFICER. Forty-seven Senators ha-ve an­ swered to their names. There is a. qu-Orum present. The Sec· swered to their names. A quorum is present. The Secretary retary will again call the roll upon the adoption of the amend­ will a(J'ain call the roll on the amendment proposed by the Sen­ ment proposed by the Senator from Rhode Island [Mr. ALDRIOH] ator f;om Rhode Island [Mr. ALDRICH] to the amendment pro­ to the amendment proposed by the Senator from Arkansas {Mr. posed by the Senator from Arkansas [Mr. Jo:NES]. Jo:NEs]. The Secretary proceeded to. call the roll. . The Secretary prDceeded t-0 call the roll. . Mr. BUTLER {when his name was called). I transfer my pair Mr. CULLOM (when his name was called). I have a general with the Senator from Pennsylvania [Mr. CAMERON] to the Sen- pair with the Senator from Delaware [Nir. GRAY]. ator from Georgia [Mr. W A.LSH] and vote" nay." . Mr. DIXON (when his name was called). I am paired with Mr. CALL (when his name was called). I transfer my pa1r the Se natOJ~ from West Virginia [Mr. FAULKNER]. If he were with the Senator from Vermont [Mr. PROCTOR] to the Senator present I snou1d vote " yea." from South Dakota [Mr. KYLE] and vote" nay.'' . . Mr. FRYE (when his name was called). 1 ampair~d with the Mr. CULLOM (when his name was called). I am pa1red w1th aenior Senator from Maryland '[Mr. GORMAN]; but rn order to the senior Senator from Delaware [Mr. GRAY]. If he were make a quorum I 'Shall vote. I vote ''yea." present I should vote "yea.. " - . . Mr. GORDON (when his name was called). On this question Mr. DIXON (when his name was called). I am paued w1th I am paired with the Senator from Iowa [Mr. WILSON]. the Senator from West Virginia (Mr. FAULKNER]. li he were 1 Mr. McMILLAN {when his name was called). I am paired_ present I should vote ' yea." . . with the Senator f1·om Louisiana [Mr. BLANCHARD]. If he were Mr. FRYE {when his name was called). I_ am pa1red w1th the present I should vote " yea " and he would vot-e " nay." Senator from Maryland [Mr.'GORMAN] as I nave before stated, Mr. PATTON(wh-en his name was called}. I have a pair with who is absent from the city by order of the Senate. . . the junior Senator from Marylan-d [Mr. GIBSON]. If he were Mr. GORDON (when his name was ealle-d). I am paired w1th present I should vote ';yea. ,., the junior Senator from Iowa [Mr. WILSON]~ The roll call was concluded. _ - Mr. MANDERSON (when his nAme was called). I am paired Mr. BUTLER. I transfer the pair_I have with the Senator with the Senator from Kentucky [Mr. BLACKBURN]. If he were 1 from Pennsylvania [Mr. CAMERON] to the Senatorfrom Georgia present I should vote ' yea." [Mr. WALSH], and vote-'' nay." Mr. COKE (when the name of Mr. MILLs was called). My Mr. COKE. I desire to announce the pair of my colle3.o

Mr: GORDON (when his name was called). I am paired with cents a pound. To that an amendment was proposed, on which the junior Senator from Iowa [Mr. WILSON], but with the con­ we had a vote in the Senate as to whether the duty should re­ sent of the Senator from Michigan [Mr. McMILLAN] I transfer main at 75 cents a pound, as under the present law. That amend­ that pair to the Senator from Louisiana[Mr. BLANCHARD], and ment was voted down, and the vote occurred on the motion of vote ''yea." the Senator from Arkansas to make the rate 60 cents a pound. Mr. LODGE (when his name was called). I am paired with l.understood that a vote in favor of that proposition would be the senior Senator from New York [Mr. HILL]. to reduce the rate of duty on tannic acid, and therefore I voted Mr. PATTON (when his name was called). I am paired with "nay." the junior Senator from Maryland [Mr. GIBSON]. If he were We were told thatthetaxwhich wasimposed upon the alcohol present I should vote" nay." which is used in making a pound of tannic acid would be 57 cents, The roll call was concluded. and the duty of 60 cents a pound, which was established by the Mr. MANDERSON. I am paired with the senior Senator last vote, leaves only 3 cents a pound to compensate the manufac­ from Kentucky [Mr. BLACKBURN], who is absent. If he were turers in this country for the differences which exist in the maiUl­ present I should vote" nay." facture between this and other countries. I do not regard that Mr. GORDON. I desire to announce the pair of my colleague as in any sense a protective duty or a duty which will allow the [Mr. WALSH] with the senior Senator from Pennsylvania LMr. industry to exist; and although in the progress of this bill I CAMERON]. may be called upon to vote upon amendments for duties higher Mr. CHANDLER. I am paired with the junior Senator from than those proposed in the bilhwhen it was first reported if, in New York [Mr. MURPHY]. my judgment, those duties are still free-trade duties and not pro­ Mr. TELLER. My colleague [Mr. WOLCOTT] is paired with tective duties, I shall not vote for them. the junior Senator from Ohio [Mr. BRICE]. I shall not annouuce Some Senators felt that when an amendment had been pro­ his pair on everv vote, because he has a general pair. posed by the Finance Committee of 35 cents a pound and another Mr. DOLPH tatter having voted in the negative). I shall amendment proposed of 60 cents a pound, it was better to vote change my vote to" yea" on the principle that the amendment for the rate of 60 cents a pound, because that was not so bad as improves the bill, although it is not at all the duty which ought 35 cents. I do not propose, Mr. President, in the votes I shall to be imposed. give on this bill to act on any such principle. I propose to vote The PRESIDING OFFICER. Debate is not in order. only for those amendments which I think may b3 in some sense Mr. BUTLER. I desire to announce the pair between the or degree protective, by which I mean those amendments which Senator from Pennsylvania [Mr. CAMERON] and the Senator will enable the industry to be continued in this countcy· and from Georgia tMr. WALSH]. I now make this announcement where there are two amendments, either of which will result in for'the last time to-day. . a destruction or a crippling or a particular business, I do not Mr. COKE. I again announce the pair of my colleague [Mr. propose to vote for either. · MILLS] with the Senator from New Hampshire [Mr. GALLIN­ The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. PAsco in the chair). The GER]. question is on the amendment proposed by the Committee on Mr. DOLPH. I announce the pair of my colleague [Mr. Finance. MITCHELL of Oregon] with the senior Senator from Wisconsin Mr. ALDRICH. I call for the yeas and nays. [Mr. VILAS}. . - The yeas and nays were ordered. '.!;'he result was announced-yeas 33, nays 11; as follows: Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I hope the committee amendment YEAS-33. will not be adopted. Allison. Dolph, McPherson, Sherman, Mr. PLATT. The committee amendment is 10 per cent. Bate, · George, Martin, Teller, Mr. JONES of Arkansas. The bill as it came from the House Berry, Gordon, Mitchell, Wis. Turpie, ­ of Hepresentatives provided for a duty of 20 per cent. The com­ Butler, R

Mr. DIXON. I am paired with the Senator from West Vir­ The question is upon agreeing to the amendment proposed by ginia [Mr. FAULKNER l, but I am assured by Senators on the other the Committee on Finance. side that he would vote" nay" on this question, if present, and The amendment was rejected. therefore I take the liberty of voting. I vote "nay." Mr. ALDRICH. In order to preserve as far as possible the Mr. MANDERSON. I again announce my pair with the Sen­ symmetry, if not the _consistency of this bill, move to strike out ator from Kentucky [Mr. BLACKBURN], and shall not announce ' 120 per cent ad valorem" and insert "7 cents a pound;" so as it again during the day. He seems to be absent. to impose a specific duty which will be about equivalent to 20 per Mr. HUNTON. Has a quorum voted, Mr. President? cent ad valorem. . The PRESIDING OFFICER. A quorum has not voted. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on the amend- - 1\Ir. HUNTON. Then, I beg leave to have my vote recorded._ ment of the Senator from Rhode Island, which will be stated. I vote" nay." The SECRETARY. On page 2, line 12, after the word" acid," The result was announced-yeas 0, nays 42; as follows: it is proposed to strike out" 20 per cent" and insert ·" 7 cents YEA S-O. per pound;" so as to read: NAYS-42. 6. Tartaric acid, 7 cents per pound. Aldrich, Davis, Jones, ArK. Proctor, Mr. QUAY called for the yeas and nays; and they were or­ - Allison, Dixon, McLaurin, Ransom, dered. Bate, Dolph, McMillan, Roach, Mr. PEFFER. Before the vote is taken, I wish to inquire of Berry, Frye, McPherson, Sherman, Brice, George, Martin, Shoup, the Sen!l.tor from Rhode Island how his proposed change would Butler, Gordon, Mitchell, Wis. Turpie, affect the ad valorem rate? Caffery, Harris, Morrill, Vest, Mr. ALDRICH. It would be about the same as the ad valorem Call, Hawley, Pasco, Voorhees, Cockrell, Hunton, Pe1Ier, White. rate proposed by the committee, and.would be a reduction of 3 Coke, Irby, Perkins, cents a pound, or 30 per cent below the rate fixed by the exist­ Daniel, Jarvis, Platt, ing law. NOT VOTING-43. Mr. PEFFER. How would it compare with the~amendment Allen, Gibson, Lodge, Quay, proposed by the Senator from Arkansas? Blackburn, Gorman, Manderson, Smith, Blanchard, Gray, Mills, Squire, Mr. ALDRICH. It would be just about the sams rate. Camden, Hale, Mitchell, Oregon Stewart, Mr. PEFFER. The only difference in the amendment would C:1meron, Hansbrough, Morgan, Teller, be to substitute a specific for an ad valorem rate? Carey, Higgins, Murphy, Vilas, Chandler, Hill, Palmer, Walsh, Mr. ALDRICH. Yes, to substitute a specific for an ad va­ Cullom, Hoar, Patton, Washburn, lorem. Dubois, Jones, Nev. Pettigrew, Wilson, The PRESIDINGOF'FICER. The Secretary will call the roll Faulkner, Kyle, Power, Wolcott. "Gallinger, Lindsay, Pugh, on the amendment proposed by the Senat<>r from Rhode Island [Mr. ALDRICiiJ. The PRESIDING OFFICER {Mr. BERRY in the chair). No The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. quorum having voted, the roll will be called. Mr. CULLOM (when his name was called). I am paired with The Secretary called the roll, and the following Senat<>rs an­ the Senator from Delaware [Mr. GRAY]. If he were present I swered to their names: Aldrich, Dixon, McLaurin, Proctor, should vote '' yea." Allison, Dolph, McMillan, Pugh, Mr. DIXON (when his name was called). I aJll paired with Bate, Frye, McPherson, Ransom, the Senator from West Virginia [Mr. FAULKNER]. I shall not Berry, George, Manderson, Roach, make this announcement again for the day. Butler,· Gordon, Martin, Sherman, Cattery, Harris, Mitchell, Oregon Shoup, Mr. COKE (when the name of Mr. .MILLS was called). I again Call, Hawley, Mitchell, Wis. Stewart, announce that my colleague was compelled to leave the Cham­ Chandler, Hunton, Morrill, Teller, ber on account of sickness. He is paired with the Senator from Cockrell, Irby, Pasco, Turpie, Coke, Jarvis, PetTer, · Vest, New Hampshire [Mr. GALLINGER]. Cullom, Jones, Ark. Perkins, Voorhees, .Mr. PATTON (when his name was called). I againannounce Davis, Lodge, Platt, White. my p::tir with the junior Senator from Maryland [Mr. GIBSON]. Mr. COKE. As I have before announced, my colleague [Mr. The roll call was concluded. MILLS] is absent on account of sickness. Mr. HUNTON. I understand no quorum has voted. There· The PRESIDING OFFICER. Forty-eight Senators have an­ fore I feel at liberty to vote. I vote ''nay." swered to their names. A quorum is present. The question re­ The result was announced-yeas 13, nays 24; as follows: curs upon agreeing to the amendment proposed by the Commit­ YEAS-13. tee on Finance. Aldrich, Hawley, Perkins, Teller. Mr. PLATT. I ask the consent of the Senator from Tennessee Dolph, Mitchell, Oregon Platt, [Mr. HARRIS] and the unanimous consent of the Senate to make Frye, Morrill, Sherman, a suggestion, whether the Senator from Tennessee might not Hale, PetTer, Squire, well afford to move for an adjournment at this time. NAYS-24. I desire to say a single word in reference to the suggestion. Bate; George, McLaurin, Ransom, Berry, Harris, McPherson, Roach, The absenteeism is confined to neither side of the Senate. It is Ca.ffery, Hunton, Martin, Turpie, S!l.turday afternoon; we have had a long and somewhat tedious Call, Irby, Mitchell, Wis. Vest, week; we get but little opportunity for op~n air, and we are Cockrell, Jarvis, Pasco, Voorhees, obliged w stay here, shut out from the sunlight and where we Coke, Jones, Ark. Pugh, White. can breathe the open air of heaven. Besides, Saturday after­ . , NOT VOTING-48. Allen, Davis, Hoar, Pettigrew, noon is a holiday by the laws of the District of Columbia. I Allison, Dixon, Jones, Nev. Power, think Senators who are absent are not absent by any desire to Blackburn, Dubois, Kyle, Proctor, . delay business or obstruct it; some of them have gone on busi­ Blanchard, Fau).kner, Lindsay, Quay, Brice, Gallinger, Lodge, Shoup, ness of the Senate, and I suggest whether, on this Saturday Butler, Gibson, McMillan, Smith, afternoon, with a very thin Senate and with the difficulty of Camden, Gordon, Manderson, Stewart, getting a quorum on votes, we might not properly adjourn. Cameron, Gorman, Mills, Vilas, Carey, Gray, Morgan, Walsh, Mr. HARRIS. I hope the Senate may dispose of a few of the Chandler, Hausbrough, Murphy, Washburn, amendments before adjourning. I quite appreciate the sugges­ Cullom, Higgins, Palmer, Wilson, tion of the Senator from Connecticut, and I should like to oblige Daniel, Hill, Patton, Wolcott. him and every other Senator, and I should like to oblige myself The PR~SIDING OFFICER. No quorum has voted. The on the same line; but I feel it my duty to try to dispose of some Secretary will call the roll of the Senate. - of the amendments. The Secretary called the roll, and the following Senators an- Mr. PLATT. Very well, then; let the roll be called. swered to their names: · The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on the amend­ Aldrich, Dolph, McL~urin, Pugh, ment proposed by the Committee on Finance; upon which the Bate, Frye, McPherson, Ransom, yeas and nays have been ordered. The Secretary will call the Berry, George, Martin, Roach, Butler, Gordon, Mitchell, Oregon Sherman, roll. Caffery, Hale, Mitchell, Wis. Squire, Mr. HARRIS. I hope the Senator from Rhode Island will ask Call, Harris, Morrill, Teller, unanimous consent to withdraw the demand for the yeas and Cockrell, Hawley, Pasco, Turpie, Coke, Hunton, Patton, Vest, nays. Every Senator, I believe, voted the same way on the last Cullom, , Irby, Perrer, Voorhees, vote. · Daniel, Jarvis, Perkins, White. Mr. ALDRICH. I am quite willing to do that. Dixon, Jones, Ark. Platt, ThePRESIDINGOFFICER. If there be no objection, the de-· The PRESIDING OFFICER. Forty-three. Senators have an­ mand for the yeas and nays will be considered as withdrawn. swered to, their names. There is a quorum present. The Sec· 4670 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. MAY 12, retary will again call the roll on the amendment proposed by Now, I can not understand upon what theory of taxation, upon the Senator from Rhode Island [Mr. ALDRICH]. what principle of tariff reform the amendment is suggested. The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. Instead of reducing duties, the duties should have been in­ Mr. PATTON (when his name was called). I again announce creased to make the rate equa.l at least to the increased rate my pair with the junior Senator from Maryland [Mr. GIBSON]~ upon a.lcohol. I have before me a large number of statements The roll call was concluded. made by various manufacturers of perfumery in the United Mr. GORDON. I again announce that I have transferred my States, going in detail into the cost of these articles in other pair with the Senator from Iowa- [Mr. WILSON] to the Senator countries and this, and showing that the increased cost in the from Louisiana [Mr. BLANCHARD], who is paired with the Sen­ United States, partly growing out of the duties imposed upon ator from Michigan fMr. McMILLAN], which will enable both articles which they use, is such as to make it impossible to carry the Senator from Michigan and myself to vote. I vote " nay." on this industry here if these rates are reduced. I .had sup­ Mr. McMILLAN. I vote ''yea." . posed, from the notice given by the Senator from Arkansas The result was announced-yeas 16, nays 28; as follows: [Mr. JONES] the other day, that the rate of 50 per cent was YEAS-16. to be maintained. He says they have placed the raw material Aldrich, Hale, Peffer, Sherman, · used by these people upon the free list. Allison, Hawley, Perkins, Shoup, It is true they have proposed to place pomade, used to a con­ Dolph, McMillan, Platli, Squire, siderableextent in the preparation of perfumery, upon the free Frye, Morrill, Proctor-, Teller. list, but that will affect-to a very small exten.tthe cost of the pro­ NAYS-:E. duction oi perfumery in this country. I myself see no good rea~ Bate, Coke,­ Jarvis, Pugh, son why pomade should be placed upon the free list. The com­ Berry, Daniel, .Tones, Ark. Ransom, Brice, George, McLaurin, Roach. mittee in 1888 considered that question very carefully, and we Butler, G.ordon, McPherson, Turpie, thought if there was anything in the bill or anything in our en­ Caffery, Harris, Martin, · Vest, tire tariff law upon which a. high duty should be levied, it cer­ Call, Hunton, Mitchell, Wis. Voorhees, Irby, Pasco, White. tainly was an article of luxury of this kind, and especially an ar­ Cockrell, ticle of luxury in the composition of which the cost of alcohol NOT VOTING--41. played so important a part. Allen, Faulkner, Lindsay, Quay, If Blackburn, Gallinger, Lodge, Smit~ it is to be the principle of the Democratic party and of the Blanchard, Gibson, Manderson, Stewart, majority of tne committee in this Chamber that the duty upon Camden, Gorman, Mills, Vila.s, luxuries is to be decreased for the purpose of furnishing an ex­ C~meron, Gray, :Mitchell, Oregon Walsh, Carey, Hansbrough, Morgan, Washburn, cuse to increase the duties upon necessaries of life like sugar, Chandler, Higgins, Murphy, Wilson, then we had better understand it at once. We have been told Cullom, Hill, Palmer, ,Wolcott. very frequently in the past by Senators on the other side that Davm, Hoar, Pa~on., Dixon, Jones, Nev. Pettigrew, it was their policy, and the policy of the party they represent, to Dubois, Kyle, Power, remove the burdens from the poor people of the United States1 &o the amendment was rejected. from the common people of the United States, on everything The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Secretary will proceed which they buy and use; and I have supposed it has been their with the reading of the bill. purpose to maintain taxes upon luxuries. The Secretary read paragraph 7, on page 2 of the bill, as fol­ Now, why is this change of policy? The revenues from this lows: article will be decreased by every reduction· in the duty. No 7. Alcoholic perfumery, including cologne wat.er and other toilet waters, man upon the other side of the Chamber will undertake to say a.ndalcoholic compounds not specially proVided for in this act, $2 per gallon that the ammmt of alcoholic perfumery imparted will be de­ and 25 per centr a.d valorem. creased or increased perceptibly by any change of duty. There Mr. JONES of Arkansas. There will b3 no committee amend­ are certain people in the United States who would buyimported ment offered to that paragraph. perfumery in all cases. It is a matter of taste and a matter of The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Secretary will read the fa-shion largely. Are those the people for whom the bill is to next paragraph. pass, and this the class of reductions the Democratic party is Mr. ALLISON. There is acommitteeamendmenttoincrease pledged to bring about? I do not intend to-day, but on Monday the ad valorem duty from 25 to 50 per cent. whenthisquestion comes up again for consideration, I shall read Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I gave notice of an intention to of­ the statements not ef one, but of a dozen or twenty different fer that amendment, but since the amendment was agreed upon manufacturers located in different parts of the United States, - the raw material out.of which this preparation is made has been proving, as I believe, conclusively, that the proposed reduction put on the free list. That more than compensates for the differ­ of rates will be ruinous to that industry. Emce in the price of the alcohol, which the increase from 25 to 50 Mr. JONES of Arkansas. If the Senator from Rhode Island per cent was intended to compensate. We think it makes jt en­ will consent to have a vote at once, I am inclined to agree to tirely fair, and we are willing to let the paragraph stand as it is. the amendment that was proposed originally by the committee. Mr. ALDRICH. If that is to be the attitude this paragraph We doubt the necessity for it, but we should like to dispose of will certainly lead to prolonged discussion, and I suggest to the the question. Senator from Tennessee ~!Ir. HARRIS] that if he is willing that Mr. ALDRICH. Making the rate 50 per cent? we should take an adjournment now we might do it. It is cer­ Ur. JONES of Arkansas. Fifty per cent. tain that we shall not be able to finish this item to-night. I Mr. ALDRICH. I am ready so far as I am concerned. supposed the committee were to offer an amendment to make Mr. McMILLAN. I hope this will be conceded, because we the rate 50 per cent. I move to strike out "twenty-five" and in­ have in our State a very-- sert " fifty." Mr. JONES of Arkansas. If we can have a vote on theamend­ Mr. HARRIS. Question! men.t, I am perfectly willing to agree to it. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is upon the Mr. ALDRICH. I am willing to vote upon it, so far as I am amendment of the Senator from, Rhode Island, to strike out concerned. "twenty-five" and insert ''fifty" in line 16, so as to read, "50 Mr. CHANDLER. Mr. President, this vacillation in tariff per cent ad valorem." reform is certainly destructive of all healthy legislation. If the .Mr. ALDRICH. By another provision of the bill the internal Senator from Arkansas is to move an amendment to-day, putit tax on alcohol is increased 37.6 cents per gallon. '.l'hedutyupon in print, send it out to the world, try to catch the votes of Re­ alcoholic perfumery prior to the act of 1883 wa.s $3 per gallon publican Senators, bring it in here, withdraw it, increase it, and and 50 per cent ad valorem. By the provisions of the act of 1883 manipulate it up and down accord.ing as he is or is not suited the duty was reduced to $2 per gallon and 50 percent ad valorem, with the action of Republican Senators upon this. floor, he may and the same rate was maintained in the act of 1890. take all his four hundred amendments, so far as I am concerned, 'rhe imposition of the increased tax upon alcohol used in this and withdraw them at once; and I think he had better do it. industry, connected with the lower rate of duty now suggested The· Senator is supposed to be framing a tariff bill and moving by the Senate committee, would absolutely destroy a very large amendments upon some nrinciple of action. We can not discover industry in the United States. If the article affected by this what it is, but certainly the Senator from Arkansas, in moving rate were a necessary of life or an article of common use; if it to increase a rate of duty which he is presumed to do from a sense were an article of necessary use instead of a voluntary use, pos­ ol public duty and from a sense of conviction as to whattherates sibly there might be some reason .from a Democratic standpoint ought to be, can not justify himself, when he is gaining converts why the duty should be reduced. But here we have an article to his pdnciple on this side of the Chamber, in saying to his al­ o.f pure luxury, used only by the rich people of the country, an lies over here, "If you will accept what we give you without de­ article of entire voluntary use, upon which it is deliberate y. bate you can have it; if you do not accept it without debate, we proposed to reduce the duty below the existing law and reduce will withdraw it. It seems to me the Senator from Arkansas it to a rate which would be absolutely ruinous to the great in­ puts himself in a most extraordinary attitude. He prints this dustry in this country. amendment; it goes out over the country; it is presented to ~1894. .OONGRESSfONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 4671 .

Senators upon this eide of tha Chamb~r,_ and he' gets up ~m:e 'J.1he rollcall having been concluded, the resultwasannouneed- - an and the Secretary The Journal of the proceedings of yesterday wa.s read and wi11 call the roll. approved. ' The Secretary called the roll, and the following Senators an­ SWEARING IN OF A MEMBER.. swered to their names: Mr. ROBERTSON of Louisiana presented the credentials of Aldrich, Cal:Iom, Jarvis, Pugh, Hon. Henry Warren Ogden, Representative-elect from the Al.lison, Daniel, dOnes, Ark. Ransom, Fourth Congressional district of Louisiana; which were read ll~te, , Dixon, McLaurin. Roach,. and.filed. Berry-, Dolp~ ..McMillan, Sherman, Btice, Frye, McPherson, Shoup, Mr. Ogden appeared at the bar of the House and was sworn in. Butler, George, Martin, Teller; LIGHT-VESSEL, TRINITY SHOAL, GULF OF JlriEXICQ. catrery, Gord{)n, Pasco, Tar:pie, Call, Harris, Pat ton, Vest, The SPE.AZER laid beiore th.e House a letter from the Acting Chandler, Hawley, Peffer. Voorhees, Secretary of the Treasury in relation to the discontinuance of Cockrell, Hunton, Perldns, White. Coke, Irby, Proctor., the light-vessel on Trinity Shoal, Gulf of Mexico, and recom­ mending the establishment of a light-ship in the Gulf of Mexico The PRESIDING OFFICER Forty-three Senatm·s have an­ off the South Pass of the Mississippi River,. on the coast of. Lou­ swered to their names, and a quorum of the Senate is present. isiana; which was referred to the Committee on Interstate Com­ The Secretary will read the next paragraph of the bill. merce, and ordered to be printed. The Secretary read paragraph 8, on page 2, as follows: THE LATE REPRESENTATIVE. BRATTAN OF MARYLAND. a Alumina, lOpercentad valorem; alum, a.lumca.ke, patent alum, sulphate o:t alumina, a.nd aluminous cake, and a.lnm in crystals or- ground, 20 per cent The SPEAKER also laid before the House resolutions of the ad valorem. . . Senate in relation to the death ot the late Representative Brat­ Mr. JONES of Arkansas. I move to strike out the entire par­ tan of Maryland; which were read and lmd on the table. agraph and insert what I send to the deak. LEAVE OF ABSENCE~ The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amendment proposed by Mr. TAR&~EY, by unanimous consent, obtained leave oi ab­ the Senator from Arkansas will be stated. sence for one week. The SECRETARY. It is proposed to strike out paragraph 8, on CLAIMS OF TENNESSEE VS. THE UNITED STATES AND THE page 2, and insert: . UNITED STATES VS. TENNESSEE. Alumina., alum, a.lum cake, patent alum, sulphate of alumina, and alumi­ nous cake, and alum in crystals or ground, four-tenths of 1 cent per pound. Mr. COX. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent for the present consideration of the Senate joint resolution (S. R. 61} Mr. ALDRICH. I move to amend the amendment of the Sen­ providing for the adjustment of cel'tain claims of the United ator from Arkansas by striking out "four-tenths" and insert- States against the State of Tenn~ssee and of the Statefof Ten­ in~ "six-tenths." · nessee against the United States. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The..qu.estion is on the amend­ The joint resoiution was read, as follows: mentof the Senator from Rhode Island to the amendment of the Joint resolution providing for the· adjustment of certain claims of the Senator from Arkansas. United States against the State of Tennessee and certain cla.ims of the Mr. ALDRICH and Mr. QUAY called for the ye.as and nays, State of Tennessee against the United States. and they were ordered. Whereas it is claimed that the State of Tennessee is indebted to the United States for railroad equipments and materials purchased for the Memphis, The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. Clarksville and Lo1rtsville Railroad Company, the Edgefield and Kentucky Mr. GORDON (when hisnamewascalled). I transiermypair R~oad Company, and tlie McMinnville and Manchester Railroad Company: with the Senator from Iowa [Mr. WILSON] to the Senator from and Wher eas the State of Tennessee claims against the United States certain Louisiana [Mr. BLANCHARD], and vote " nay." abatements and reductions of said indebtedness by reason of excessive val­ Mr. LODGE (when his name wa3 called). I am paired with uation~Wf said equipments and materials, and also ~ertain set-otrs and. coun­ the Senator from New York [Mr. HILL], and therefore withhold terclaims, growing out of the use by the United States Government, for mil- - itary and other purposes, of certain. of the Tennessee railroads and for the my vote. removal and appropriation of the property, rail.B. bridges, etc., of said roads, Mr. PATTON (when his name was called). I am paired with na.mely: The Memphis, Clarksville and Louisville Railroad Company, the the junior Senator from Maryland [Mr. GIBSON]. McMinnville and Manchester Railroad Company, and the Win~hester a.nd Alabam.a Railroad Company; and Mr. RANSOM (when bis name was called). I ani paired with Whereas said matters are of long standing and it is d-esirable tbat the the Sooator frum Maine [Mr. HALE]. same shoul{l be a