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WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY CO-OPERATIVE REPUBLIC OF GUYANA THE WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY ___________________________________________________ VERBATIM REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS ___________________________________________________ Thursday 28th August, 2014 1 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY 32nd Hearing 09:42hrs 28th August, 2014 Commissioners: Sir. Richard L. Cheltenham, K.A., Q.C., Ph.D – Chairman Mrs. Jacqueline Samuels-Brown, Q.C. Mr. Seenath Jairam, S.C. Secretary to the Commission: Mrs. Nicola Pierre Counsel to the Commission: Mr. Glenn Hanoman Ms. Latchmie Rahamat Administrator of the Commission Secretariat Mr. Hugh A. Denbow Attorneys for the People’s National Congress (PNC): Mr. Basil Williams Mr. James Bond 2 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY Attorneys for Working People’s Alliance (WPA): Mr. Christopher Ram Mr. Moses Bhagwan - (Absent) Attorneys for the Guyana Trades Union Congress (GTUC): Mr. Brian Clarke - (Absent) Mr. Selwyn Pieters Attorney for Dr. Patricia Rodney, Asha Rodney, Shaka Rodney and Kanini Rodney: Mr. Andrew Pilgrim, Q.C. Attorney for Donald Rodney: Mr. Keith Scotland - (Absent) Ms. Camille Warner Attorneys for the Ex-GDF (Guyana Defence Force) Association: Lt. Col. (Ret‟d) Joseph Harmon - (Absent) Mr. Leslie Sobers - (Absent) Attorney for Captain Gerald Gouveia: Mr. Devindra Kissoon - (Absent) 3 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY Witnesses: Lt. Col. Sydney James Father Malcom Rodrigues Ms. Jocelyn Dow Officers: Ms. Pamela Binda - Editor Mr. Kristoffer Sundar - Assistant Editor Ms. Shanta Kumar - Transcriptionist Ms. Tricia Peters - Transcriptionist Ms. Karen Mohamed - Transcriptionist Ms. Diane Gobin - Transcriptionist Mr. Sahadeo Ramdular - Transcriptionist Ms. Omunike Pearce - Transcriptionist Mr. Vickram Ragobeer - Audio Technician Mr. Mahendranauth Sanichar - Audio Technician Mr. Rui Constantine - Audio Technician 4 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY CALL TO ORDER Mr. Chairman [Sir Richard Cheltenham, K.A., Q.C, Ph.D]: I propose that we get started in another two, three minutes and so could all persons get to their respective stations so that we can proceed. Commission Counsel [Mr. Glenn Hanoman]: Yes we are, please. Mr. Chairman: I think I need to acknowledge the presence of Rev. Rodrigues there? Mr. Hanoman: Father Malcolm Rodrigues. Mr. Chairman: Father Malcolm Rodrigues, it will be about an hour or so before we get to him so I am begging him to be patient with us. I know that he has a busy day, but we have some testimony to conclude and we hope to do that with dispatch within the hour. [Lt. Col. Sydney James entered the witness box] Mr. Hanoman: …where Mr. Ram had commenced his cross-examination and he is to now proceed to continue and conclude. Mr. Chairman: Mr. Ram you still had some additional questions. Attorney for the Working People’s Alliance (WPA) [Mr. Christopher Ram]: Yes Sir, I do. Mr. Chairman: Well please get a head, Sir. Mr. Ram: Thank you, Sir. Mr. Chairman: Very well. Mr. Ram: Lieutenant Colonel, may I draw your attention to SCJ 5 once again please? This is the summary you prepared. Mr. Hanoman: The Exhibit refers to the overnight assignment you had. Lt. Col. Sydney James: Yes, I know. I do not have a copy. Mr. Chairman: Facilitate him by providing a copy please. 5 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY Lt. Col. James: I have one, Sir. Mr. Ram: Thank you. May I point you to the first column, headed “Ser”, series I take it you mean? Lt. Col. James: That means “Serial”, Sir, Serial, it is just abbreviated, Sir. Mr. Ram: Could I ask you to look at Serial 13 to 16 please? Lt. Col. James: Serial 13, Sir? Mr. Ram: 13 to 16. Mr. Ram: Yes Sir. Mr. Ram: Would you mind quickly reading those four items out? Lt. Col. James: Very well, Sir. Mr. Ram: Just the date issued and the weapon type. Lt. Col. James: Serial 13, 10/80/1979 Model 10 pistols; Serial 14, 10/08/79 Berretta Submachine guns; Serial 15, 10/08/79 M70 Assault rifle; Serial 16, 10/08/79 M72 Light machine guns. Mr. Ram: Thank you, Sir. Now, all these four series of weapons were issued to Comrade Skeete -Ministry of National Development, is that correct Sir? Lt. Col. James: Purportedly, that is correct Sir. Mr. Ram: And they were issued on- date? Lt. Col. James: 10/08/79, Sir. Mr. Ram: Would this be approximately one month following the appointment of Major General Norman McLean as Chief-of-Staff? Lt. Col. James: Sir, I will have to do research to verify the exact date of appointment for Major General Norman Mclean. I do not have that knowledge. 6 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY Mr. Ram: The record shows that it was 12th July, 1979. Lt. Col. James: Well, if the Commission accepts that record, I will have to say yes, Sir. Mr. Ram: Can I ask Mr. Chairman whether the Commission accepts that record? Mr. Chairman: I think there is some record as to when he was appointed, I do not know what you called it, I do not know whether Counsel can help me? Mr. Hanoman: Yes. Mr. Major general McLean said himself that he assumed that position of the 12th July, 1979. Mr. Chairman: And that position was? Mr. Hanoman: Chief-of-Staff. Mr. Chairman: Very well. We have assured that that is the evidence of Major General McLean. Mr. Ram: And Sir, that was less than one month after a fire had destroyed the building housing the Office of the General Secretary of the People‟s National Congress (PNC) and the Ministry of National Development? Lt. Col. James: Again Sir, I will have to do research because I do not have that information available in my head. Again Sir, if you have that documentation on record and the Commission so accepts, I will have to go with that, Sir. Mr. Chairman: Well we are proceeding on the assumption that you are correct about those dates the evidence have been before us. Mr. Ram: Thank you Sir. So, Lieutenant, the building in Camp Street housing that Ministry and Office no longer existed at the date of issue of series 13 to 16? Lt. Col. James: Base on your record, I will have to say, yes Sir. Mr. Ram: The Commission‟s record, Sir. Lt. Col. James: The Commission‟s record, Sir. 7 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY Mr. Chairman: What building is that again, Sir? Mr. Ram: That is the Office of the General Secretary of the People‟s National Congress and the Ministry of National Development, Sir. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Ram: Now, the building no longer existed. So can you say from your records, the location where the items listed in series 13 to 16 were to be stored? Lt. Col. James: I cannot say, Sir. Mr. Ram: Are you aware of any steps taken by the Guyana Defense Force (GDF) to ensure the proper custody and security of those weapons? Lt. Col. James: Again, I cannot say, Sir. Mr. Ram: Your investigation did not pursue that? Lt. Col. James: That is correct, Sir. Mr. Ram: Was there a no paper work that would support the issues of those particular items of weaponry? Lt. Col. James: Sir, the paper works I would have referred to in my evidence issue and receipt vouchers and also the information contained in the Special Stores Register, pertaining to the issues highlighted in this reference, at serial 13 to 16, Sir. Mr. Ram: Could you say very briefly what other records might have facilitated the investigation you are asked to carry out? Lt. Col. James: Yes Sir. I did a note to that in my evidence. The authority to issue the weapons to the named individuals that would have greater assisted in determining the reason why those weapons were issued, Sir. Mr. Ram: Is that the only missing document pertaining to those transactions? Would there, for example, been gate passes? 8 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY Lt. Col. James: Yes Sir. There should have been gate passes. Mr. Chairman: I think you are trespassing on matters too early, Counsel, I took the opportunity to re-read the evidence this morning. Mr. Ram: Thank you, Sir. Mr. Chairman: You are revisiting matters that were thoroughly discussed yesterday. Mr. Ram: Thank you Sir. Would you consider the issue of those weapons a security risk? Lt. Col. James: I would have to say yes, Sir. Mr. Ram: In connection with the fire at the building that we spoke about a moment ago, are you aware that three leaders from the Working People‟s Alliance including Dr. Walter Rodney, had been charged for arson? Lt. Col. James: No Sir. Mr. Ram: Would you agree, as a security person, that such a major development would have caused an enhancement of security efforts within the GDF? Mr. Chairman: What is the development you are referring to? Mr. Ram: The fire at the Office of the General Secretary and the Ministry of National Development. Mr. Chairman: Why I ask you, I thought you were referring to the fact that Rodney was charged. Mr. Ram: No Sir. Mr. Chairman: That is the reason why we have to be so explicit. Mr. Ram: Thank you, Sir. Lt. Col. James: I am not certain, Sir. I know for certain that the major development for the Guyana Fire Service and I am not certain, Sir. I cannot answer that question. 9 WALTER RODNEY COMMISSION OF INQUIRY Mr. Ram: Were any measures in the GDF tightened as a consequence of those developments? Lt. Col. James: Sir, I joined the Guyana Defense Force during 1980 and I cannot give an answer to that question. Mr. Ram: You did not have any records to indicate that there were? Lt.