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Congressional Record-Senate. August 25 3684 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. AUGUST 25, Mr. LODGE. Certainly. We have had many controversies frigeration, climatic causes,- defects in the construction of the about it; we have had to satisfy them as to the character of our vessel, storms, and the like. That frequently happens in inspection and regulation, and there is no reason why they transit. should not satisfy us. · After the meat has received its certificate from a foreign ~fr. WILLIAi\IS. Well, they do. government, is it not, under that certificate, proper to admit it, Mr. LODGE. I say satisfy us-satisfy the law that Con­ unct would it not be admitted? gress passes, not the Secretary. Mr. NORRIS. l\lr. President, while the Senator's question i\lr. WILLIAMS. In reference to what the Senator from has no bearing on the point that I was making in regard to this Wyoming has just said, of course some of tllese nations, de­ particular am~ndment, it seems to me clear, since he has pro­ sirous of prohibiting the entry of American meat, and not pounded the query to me, that the certificate of the foreign desirous of· saying so in so many words, went to very great GoYernment would go only to show, and would be evidence only extremes. Germany demanded an inspection of the viscera, to show, that the ii;ispection provided for by the foreign country because she knew it was practically an impossibility, and there­ had been made in regard to the particular meat in question. It fore prohibited our meats. She had a right to do that. We might be excluded for other reasons, of course. The point I would h~r-re a right to say here, if we wanted to, that that make on this amendment is tllat if_we pass this pro\'iso wit4- should be done, of course; but we do not want to. We are not out any change we provide one rule and one law for American trying to make this provision impracticable of administration.. meat in interstate commerce and an entirely different one that We are trying to get meat for the American people from abroad may be less exacting when the meat comes from a foreign. free of duty, but at the same time. we are trying to take every country. proper measure to see that it is hea-lthful. I de ire to offer and have pending for the consideration of tlie .Mr. LODGE. Germany was obliged to abandon· those ex­ committee or the Senate when this paragraph is taken up, a-s treme positions. I understand it is going over, an amendment to strike out the Mr. WILLIAMS. I understand; I was simply illustrating words commencing with the word " or," in line ~3. and ending how that would be. with the word "health," in line 25. 1\!r. WARREN. Not only have we done that, but we ha·rn by The VICE PRESIDENT. The amendment will be stated. legislation provided for our own people a very exacting law and The SECRETARY. It is proposed to strike out of the committee regulation. I assume the Senator from Mississippi and his pai·ty amendment, commencing on line 23, page 142, the following expect that we shall be as particular as to the meat from other words: countries as we are with the packers in our own country who he~fu~atisfactory to him as being competent to protect the public are delivering food to us across State lines. 1\fr. WILLIAMS. I have no fear that the Secretary of Agri­ l\lr. WILLIAMS. l\Ir. President, I wish to offer an amend­ culture will ever admit meat from a country that does not ment to be pending when this paragraph comes back. I want to e$tablish a system that protects the public health. give notice of it now, so as to have no doubt about the point I Mr. CUMMINS. l\Ir. President-- make. After the word " inspection " I moye to in ert the v.ords The VICE PRESIDE..:.~T. Does the Senator from Nebraska "of cattle and meat." yield to the Senator from Iowa? I do that so that there will be no doubt of tile character of l\Ir. NORRIS. I yield. the inspection. Mr. CU1\fl\IINS. I hope the Senator from Nebraska will not l\lr. CUl\11\IINS. .l\Iay I ask the Senator from ~lississippi jnst lose sight of the fact that the part of the committee amendment where that will come in? fo which he has referred relates only to the admission of meats 1\fr. WILLIAl\fS. Right after the word "inspection." upon a certificate, and without any examination on the part of Mr. GALLINGER. Mr. President, I am sure that our friends this country. I have not objected to that part of the amend­ on the other side feel that we haye made good progre s to-day ment so much as I ha\e to the other, which admits meats into 1n the consideration of the bill. this country without any ante-mortem inspection. - Mr. KERN. Will the Senator yield to me for a certain mo­ 1\Ir. NORRIS. Of course I was not discussing the Senator's tion? amendment. l\fr. GALLINGER. It is 6 o"clock, and I would be glad to .Mr. CUl\fl\IINS. I did not know whether it had caught the yield. eye of the Senator from Nebraska. Mr:"' KERN. I move that the Senate adjourn. l\fr. NORRIS. I understood, of course, the Senator's argu­ The motion was agreed to, and (at 6 o'clock p. m.) the Sennte ment; but this particular amendment applies to an entirely adjourned until Monday, August 25, 1913, at 11 o'clock a. m. different point. ~fr. CUMMINS. The proviso there, or the subsequent part of the amendment, simply allows meats to come in without any SENATE. home examination provided the Secretary of Agriculture finds there is a foreign system of inspection something like our own . MoNDAY, August ~5, 1913. .l\Ir. NORRIS. Ile does not even need to find that it is some· The Senate met at 11 o'clock a. m. thing like our own if it satisfies him. Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. Forrest J. Prettymnn, D. D . .Mr. CUMMINS. No; something like our own, or what he The Journal of the proceedings of Saturday last was rend and thinks to be sufficient to protect our people. appro-r-ed. 1\fr. NORRIS. Ile may, as a matter of fact, know, and it may CALLING OF THE ROLL. be public knowledge, that it has not any resemblance to our l\Ir. SMOOT. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quo­ system of inspection. It may be nowhere near so good. If the rum. man who happens to be Secretary of Agriculture thinks it is The VICE PRESIDENT. The Secretary will call the roll. good enough, he can issue an order that will permit meat from The Secretary called the roll, and the following Senators an· that country to come in on the certificate of the Government of swered to their names : the country that it has made the inspection which he has said, AshurSt Gallinger :Martine, N. J'. Smith, Ariz. in his judgment, is good enough. Bacon Hughes Nelson Smith, Ga. l\fr. SHERMAN. 1\Ir. President, may I make an inquiry? Bankhead James Norris Smith, S. C. The VICE PRESIDE~T. Does the Senator from Nebraska Borah Johnson O'Gorman Smoot Brady Jones Oliver Sterling . yield to the Senator from Illinois? Brandegee Ken.:ron Overman Stono 1\Ir. NORRIS. I yield to the Senator. BL·istow Kern Page Suthe1•land Mr. SHER IAN. I wish to clear up my mind on one point Bryan La Follette Perkins Swanson Chamberlain Lane Pittman 'l'homas as to this amendment, or either amendment. Will meats bear­ Chilton Lea Pomerene 'l'hompson ing a foreign certificate thereby become incapable of being ex­ Clapp Lewis Ransdell Tillman Clark, Wyo. Lippitt Robinson Townsend cluded from the port of enh·y if they have spoiled in transit? Clarke, Ark. Lodge Sheppard Vardaman T have known of a good many cases where meat at the initial Cummins Mccumber Sherman Walsh point of shipment was all right, but at destination it was not. Fall McLean Shively Weeks If it comes to our port with a foreign certificate, under this Fletcher Martin, Va. Simmons Williams . paragraph, as written, will it or not be admitted? I! it comes Mr. SHEPPARD. l\Iy colleague [l\fr. CULBE:RSO~] 1s unavoid­ from a government whose system of inspection has been ap­ Rblv absent. He is paired with tlle Senator from Deln ware [Mr, proved by the Secretary of Agriculture-and on that I am nu PONT]. This announcement runy st1mcl for tlle tlny. mak:ing no que tion-it comes bearing a foreign certificate, Mr. JAUES. I wish to nunopnce thnt my collengno [l\Ir, but "°hen it rcncl.u:•s the port of entry here it may have been BRADLEY] is detained from pre. cnee hero by ren 01\ of i llnesfi!, spoiled in trnnsit, from Ynrious cnu es, such as defectiye re- He has a general pair with Urn cuntor from Inc.lltrn.:t [:Ur, 1913. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 3685 KERN]. I will ask that this announcement may stand for the HEAilINGS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELEC.TTONS. day. l\f r. KERN submitted the following resolution ( S. Res. 170), l\fr. S:~IOOT. I desire to announce that the junior Senator which was read and referred to the Committee to Audit and from Wisconsin [l\fr.
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