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Transcript of REVIEW OF U.S. HUMAN SPACE FLIGHT PLANS COMMITTEE Public Meeting Cocoa Beach July 30, 2009 8:00 A.M. Committee Members • Norman Augustine, Chairman, former CEO of Lockheed Martin, former Chairman of the Advisory Committee on the Future of the United States Space Program • Phil McAlister, Executive Director, Designated Federal Official (DFO) Members – Listed Alphabetically • Bob Cabana, Director, Kennedy Space Flight Center • Mike Coats, Director, NASA's Johnson Space Center • Edward F. Crawley, Ph.D - Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics • Dr. Wanda Austin, President and Chief Executive Officer, The Aerospace Corporation • Dr. Christopher Chyba, Professor of Astrophysical Sciences and International Affairs, Princeton University • General (ret) Lester L. Lyles, National Academies Committee on the Rationale and Goals of the U.S. Civil Space Program, Chairman • Jeffrey Greason, Co-Founder of XCOR Aerospace • Jeffrey Hanley, Program Manager, NASA Constellation Program • Pepper Phillips - Constellation Project Office at Kennedy - Deputy Director • Bob Ess, Mission Manager for Ares I-X Test Flight • Edward J. Mango, Deputy Director of Launch Vehicle Processing – NASA’s John F. Kennedy Space Center, Florida Public Commentary Section – Speakers Listed Alphabetically • Lou Jamison – Machinist Union Local 2061 • Don Beatty – Former NASA Employee • Wally Nelson – Retired Aerospace Engineer • Dale Ketchum – Spaceport Research & Technology Institute, Director • Ken Bates • Gregory Sacala – Ground Support Engineer for Constellation Project • Brian Hathaway – Florida Resident • Chris Ecksley • Dave Fisher – Pheonix, Arizona Resident • Leonard Arnowitz – Former NASA Employee 1 • Joel Howell • Juliet Sisk – Teacher at Space Coast High School • Robert Osband • Joe Brown INDEX 2 Morning Session: Introduction & Opening Remarks: Phil McAlister ............................................................................5 Norman Augustine ....................................................................5 Kennedy Space Center Perspective: Bob Cabana ..............................................................................6 Exploration beyond LEO Sub-group: Ed Crawley (Introduction).......................................................13 Wanda Austin..........................................................................16 Christopher Chyba..................................................................19 Questions & Answers .............................................................21 General Les Lyles.........................................................22 Bohdan Bejmuk ............................................................23 Norman Augustine........................................................24 Ed Crawley ..............................................................................27 Recommendation Summary ........................................34 Questions & Answers .............................................................35 General Les Lyles.........................................................36 Leroy Chiao...................................................................37 Bohdan Bejmuk ............................................................38 Norman Augustine........................................................39 Section Wrap-up ...........................................................44 Jeffrey Greason ......................................................................46 Discussion Wrap-Up...............................................................52 Ed Crawley....................................................................52 Christopher Chyba........................................................53 Questions & Answers .............................................................57 Norman Augustine........................................................57 General Les Lyles.........................................................58 Norman Augustine ..................................................................60 Congressional Perspective: Lt. 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Jeff Kottkamp............................................................60 Senator Bill Nelson .................................................................64 Senator Mel Martinez .............................................................66 Congresswoman Suzanne Kosmas ......................................67 Congressman Bill Posey ........................................................70 Afternoon Session: Introduction & Opening Remarks: Norman Augustine ..................................................................72 Constellation Project & Ground Operations: Jeffrey Hanley .........................................................................72 Pepper Phillips ........................................................................73 Bob Ess ...................................................................................84 Edward Mango........................................................................88 3 Jeffrey Hanley .........................................................................90 Wrap-up Summary......................................................90 Questions & Answers .............................................................92 Bohdan Bejmuk...........................................................93 Chris Chyba.................................................................93 Mike Coats...................................................................94 Bohdan Bejmuk...........................................................95 Norman Augustine ......................................................96 Wanda Austin............................................................100 Bohdan Bejmuk.........................................................100 Edward Mango ..........................................................101 Public Commentary Section: Norman Augustine ...................................................................102 Lou Jamison .............................................................................103 Don Beatty ................................................................................103 Wally Nelson.............................................................................105 Dale Ketchum ...........................................................................106 Ken Bates .................................................................................107 Gregory Sacala.........................................................................107 Brian Hathaway ........................................................................109 Chris Ecksley............................................................................110 Dave Fisher ..............................................................................111 Leonard Arnowitz .....................................................................111 Joel Howell ...............................................................................113 Juliet Sisk..................................................................................114 Robert Osband .........................................................................114 Joe Brown .................................................................................115 Committee Deliberations: Norman Augustine ...................................................................117 Bohdan Bejmuk ........................................................................117 Jeffrey Hanley...........................................................................118 Edward Crawley .......................................................................118 Lady Speaker – Chair In-absentia ..........................................119 Christopher Chyba ...................................................................120 Edward Crawley .......................................................................120 Bohdan Bejmuk ........................................................................121 Jeffrey Greason ........................................................................121 Bodhan Bejmuk ........................................................................123 Wrap-Up....................................................................................123 Presentation Phil McAlister, Executive Director, Designated Federal Official (DFO) 4 Good morning and welcome everybody to the review of U.S. Human Space Flight Plans Committee Meeting. Welcome to everybody here in the audience. We’ve got a full house, which is great and welcome to everybody watching on NASA TV and through the internet. We have a good agenda for today and my name is Phil McAlister. I am the Executive Director of the committee and we are very happy to be in Cocoa Beach. I would like to remind the committee members that we are in Cocoa Beach because we have had three meetings now in successive cities and sometimes we forget. The weather has been remarkably the same in each city as well. But anyway we are very happy to be here. This is a public meeting discovered by the Federal Advisory Committee Act, (FACA) so the discussion today, the presentations; all the comments are on the record. There will a public comment period towards the end of the day. That will be announced ahead of time. It will be first come first serve and we ask that it be limited to about two minutes, two to three minutes each. And please no questions during the comment period. The committee does have a website at http://hsf.nasa.gov. So the committee is essentially open for business