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Post Produced Sets from 1960-1963 (That Is If You Can Consider the 1960 Group of Cards a Set Or If You Even Consider Them Cards)
Post and Jello Sets from the 1960's- Updated 8/19/10 by Peter Mead Post produced sets from 1960-1963 (that is if you can consider the 1960 group of cards a set or if you even consider them cards). Here is my recap of the various sets. 1960 Post This is a set of nine cards (five baseball, two baseketball, two football). The cards are approximately 7 x 8 1/2 and were distributed on the backs of Grape Nuts cereal. These normally run above $25 each, even in OBC condition, with a few stars (Mantle) costing considerably more (the set includes Bob Cousey, Bob Pettitt, Frank Gifford, Johnny U, Kaline, Drysdale, Mathews, Mantle, and Killebrew). I have three of these and they all have the telltale sign of having been stuck to a wall with a thumbtack. 1961 Post This was Post's first of three annual 200 card sets that were traditionally found on the back of cereal boxes (or as an insert in those small ten-package variety packs). This is the only one of the three annual sets that has a box version and a company version. A complete set can not be put together without cards from both box and company variation. Box cards were cut off the back of cereal boxes by kids with scissors so they are perfect for the OBC collector. There are a number of box only cards, in other words, there are cards that were not part of the mail order company cards. Company cards arrived in team sets of ten cards and were separated by perforations. -
November 13, 2010 Prices Realized
SCP Auctions Prices Realized - November 13, 2010 Internet Auction www.scpauctions.com | +1 800 350.2273 Lot # Lot Title 1 C.1910 REACH TIN LITHO BASEBALL ADVERTISING DISPLAY SIGN $7,788 2 C.1910-20 ORIGINAL ARTWORK FOR FATIMA CIGARETTES ROUND ADVERTISING SIGN $317 3 1912 WORLD CHAMPION BOSTON RED SOX PHOTOGRAPHIC DISPLAY PIECE $1,050 4 1914 "TUXEDO TOBACCO" ADVERTISING POSTER FEATURING IMAGES OF MATHEWSON, LAJOIE, TINKER AND MCGRAW $288 5 1928 "CHAMPIONS OF AL SMITH" CAMPAIGN POSTER FEATURING BABE RUTH $2,339 6 SET OF (5) LUCKY STRIKE TROLLEY CARD ADVERTISING SIGNS INCLUDING LAZZERI, GROVE, HEILMANN AND THE WANER BROTHERS $5,800 7 EXTREMELY RARE 1928 HARRY HEILMANN LUCKY STRIKE CIGARETTES LARGE ADVERTISING BANNER $18,368 8 1930'S DIZZY DEAN ADVERTISING POSTER FOR "SATURDAY'S DAILY NEWS" $240 9 1930'S DUCKY MEDWICK "GRANGER PIPE TOBACCO" ADVERTISING SIGN $178 10 1930S D&M "OLD RELIABLE" BASEBALL GLOVE ADVERTISEMENTS (3) INCLUDING COLLINS, CRITZ AND FONSECA $1,090 11 1930'S REACH BASEBALL EQUIPMENT DIE-CUT ADVERTISING DISPLAY $425 12 BILL TERRY COUNTERTOP AD DISPLAY FOR TWENTY GRAND CIGARETTES SIGNED "TO BARRY" - EX-HALPER $290 13 1933 GOUDEY SPORT KINGS GUM AND BIG LEAGUE GUM PROMOTIONAL STORE DISPLAY $1,199 14 1933 GOUDEY WINDOW ADVERTISING SIGN WITH BABE RUTH $3,510 15 COMPREHENSIVE 1933 TATTOO ORBIT DISPLAY INCLUDING ORIGINAL ADVERTISING, PIN, WRAPPER AND MORE $1,320 16 C.1934 DIZZY AND DAFFY DEAN BEECH-NUT ADVERTISING POSTER $2,836 17 DIZZY DEAN 1930'S "GRAPE NUTS" DIE-CUT ADVERTISING DISPLAY $1,024 18 PAIR OF 1934 BABE RUTH QUAKER -
1955 Bowman Baseball Checklist
1955 Bowman Baseball Checklist 1 Hoyt Wilhelm 2 Alvin Dark 3 Joe Coleman 4 Eddie Waitkus 5 Jim Robertson 6 Pete Suder 7 Gene Baker 8 Warren Hacker 9 Gil McDougald 10 Phil Rizzuto 11 Bill Bruton 12 Andy Pafko 13 Clyde Vollmer 14 Gus Keriazakos 15 Frank Sullivan 16 Jimmy Piersall 17 Del Ennis 18 Stan Lopata 19 Bobby Avila 20 Al Smith 21 Don Hoak 22 Roy Campanella 23 Al Kaline 24 Al Aber 25 Minnie Minoso 26 Virgil Trucks 27 Preston Ward 28 Dick Cole 29 Red Schoendienst 30 Bill Sarni 31 Johnny TemRookie Card 32 Wally Post 33 Nellie Fox 34 Clint Courtney 35 Bill Tuttle 36 Wayne Belardi 37 Pee Wee Reese 38 Early Wynn 39 Bob Darnell 40 Vic Wertz 41 Mel Clark 42 Bob Greenwood 43 Bob Buhl Compliments of BaseballCardBinders.com© 2019 1 44 Danny O'Connell 45 Tom Umphlett 46 Mickey Vernon 47 Sammy White 48 (a) Milt BollingFrank Bolling on Back 48 (b) Milt BollingMilt Bolling on Back 49 Jim Greengrass 50 Hobie Landrith 51 El Tappe Elvin Tappe on Card 52 Hal Rice 53 Alex Kellner 54 Don Bollweg 55 Cal Abrams 56 Billy Cox 57 Bob Friend 58 Frank Thomas 59 Whitey Ford 60 Enos Slaughter 61 Paul LaPalme 62 Royce Lint 63 Irv Noren 64 Curt Simmons 65 Don ZimmeRookie Card 66 George Shuba 67 Don Larsen 68 Elston HowRookie Card 69 Billy Hunter 70 Lew Burdette 71 Dave Jolly 72 Chet Nichols 73 Eddie Yost 74 Jerry Snyder 75 Brooks LawRookie Card 76 Tom Poholsky 77 Jim McDonald 78 Gil Coan 79 Willy MiranWillie Miranda on Card 80 Lou Limmer 81 Bobby Morgan 82 Lee Walls 83 Max Surkont 84 George Freese 85 Cass Michaels 86 Ted Gray 87 Randy Jackson 88 Steve Bilko 89 Lou -
Kit Young's Sale
KIT YOUNG’S SALE #20 Welcome to Kit Young’s Sale #20. Included in this sale are more fantastic sets from MAKE US The Barry Korngiebel Collection (and for the first time you can make us your best offer AN OFFER! For a limited time you can on them, please see below). Also included outstanding new arrivals, a 1939 Play Ball make us an offer on any set below set break, bargain priced baseball lots, ½ priced GAI graded cards, vintage wrapper (or any set on www.kityoung.com). specials and much more. You can order by phone, fax, email, regular mail or online We will either accept your offer through Paypal, Google Checkout or credit cards. If you have any questions or would or counter with a price more acceptable to both of us. like to email your order please email us at [email protected]. Our regular business hours are 8-6 Monday-Friday Pacific time. Toll Free #888-548-9686. 1960 TOPPS BASEBALL A 1962 TOPPS BASEBALL B COMPLETE SET EX-MT COMPLETE SET EX-MT Popular horizontally formatted set, loaded Awesome wood grain border set (including 9 variations) with stars and Hall of Famers. This set also loaded with stars and Hall of Famers. Overall grade of set includes a run of the tougher grey back series is EX-MT with many better and a few less. Includes Maris cards (#375-440 - 59 of 65 total). Overall #1 EX+/EX-MT, Koufax EX-MT, Clemente EX-MT/NR-MT, condition of set is EX-MT with many better Mantle/Mays #18 EX-MT, Banks EX-MT, B. -
Negro Leaguers in Service If They Can Fight and Die on Okinawa and Guadalcanal in the South Pacific, They Can Play Baseball in America
Issue 37 July 2015 Negro Leaguers in Service If they can fight and die on Okinawa and Guadalcanal in the South Pacific, they can play baseball in America. Baseball Commissioner AB "Happy" Chandler This edition of the Baseball in Wartime Newsletter is dedicated to all the African- American baseball players who served with the armed forces during World War II. More than 200 players from baseball’s Negro Leagues entered military service between 1941 and 1945. Some served on the home front, while others were in combat in Europe, North Africa and the Pacific. These were the days of a segregated military and life was never easy for these men, but, for some, playing baseball made the summer days a little more bearable. Willard Brown and Leon Day (the only two black players on the team) helped the OISE All-Stars win the European Theater World Series in 1945, Joe Greene helped the 92nd Infantry Division clinch the Mediterranean Theater championship the same year, Jim Zapp was on championship teams in Hawaii in 1943 and 1944, and Larry Doby, Chuck Harmon, Herb Bracken and Johnny Wright were Midwest Servicemen League all- stars in 1944. Records indicate that no professional players from the Negro Leagues lost their lives in service during WWII, but at least two semi-pro African-American ballplayers made the ultimate sacrifice. Grady Mabry died from wounds in Europe in December 1944, and Aubrey Stewart was executed by German SS troops the same month. With Brown and Day playing for the predominantly white OISE All-Stars, Calvin Medley pitching for the Fleet Marine Force team in Hawaii, and Don Smith pitching alongside former major leaguers for the Greys in England, integrated baseball made its appearance during the war years and quite possibly paved the way for the signing of Jackie Robinson. -
Baseball Cyclopedia
' Class J^V gG3 Book . L 3 - CoKyiigtit]^?-LLO ^ CORfRIGHT DEPOSIT. The Baseball Cyclopedia By ERNEST J. LANIGAN Price 75c. PUBLISHED BY THE BASEBALL MAGAZINE COMPANY 70 FIFTH AVENUE, NEW YORK CITY BALL PLAYER ART POSTERS FREE WITH A 1 YEAR SUBSCRIPTION TO BASEBALL MAGAZINE Handsome Posters in Sepia Brown on Coated Stock P 1% Pp Any 6 Posters with one Yearly Subscription at r KtlL $2.00 (Canada $2.00, Foreign $2.50) if order is sent DiRECT TO OUR OFFICE Group Posters 1921 ''GIANTS," 1921 ''YANKEES" and 1921 PITTSBURGH "PIRATES" 1320 CLEVELAND ''INDIANS'' 1920 BROOKLYN TEAM 1919 CINCINNATI ''REDS" AND "WHITE SOX'' 1917 WHITE SOX—GIANTS 1916 RED SOX—BROOKLYN—PHILLIES 1915 BRAVES-ST. LOUIS (N) CUBS-CINCINNATI—YANKEES- DETROIT—CLEVELAND—ST. LOUIS (A)—CHI. FEDS. INDIVIDUAL POSTERS of the following—25c Each, 6 for 50c, or 12 for $1.00 ALEXANDER CDVELESKIE HERZOG MARANVILLE ROBERTSON SPEAKER BAGBY CRAWFORD HOOPER MARQUARD ROUSH TYLER BAKER DAUBERT HORNSBY MAHY RUCKER VAUGHN BANCROFT DOUGLAS HOYT MAYS RUDOLPH VEACH BARRY DOYLE JAMES McGRAW RUETHER WAGNER BENDER ELLER JENNINGS MgINNIS RUSSILL WAMBSGANSS BURNS EVERS JOHNSON McNALLY RUTH WARD BUSH FABER JONES BOB MEUSEL SCHALK WHEAT CAREY FLETCHER KAUFF "IRISH" MEUSEL SCHAN6 ROSS YOUNG CHANCE FRISCH KELLY MEYERS SCHMIDT CHENEY GARDNER KERR MORAN SCHUPP COBB GOWDY LAJOIE "HY" MYERS SISLER COLLINS GRIMES LEWIS NEHF ELMER SMITH CONNOLLY GROH MACK S. O'NEILL "SHERRY" SMITH COOPER HEILMANN MAILS PLANK SNYDER COUPON BASEBALL MAGAZINE CO., 70 Fifth Ave., New York Gentlemen:—Enclosed is $2.00 (Canadian $2.00, Foreign $2.50) for 1 year's subscription to the BASEBALL MAGAZINE. -
The Irish in Baseball ALSO by DAVID L
The Irish in Baseball ALSO BY DAVID L. FLEITZ AND FROM MCFARLAND Shoeless: The Life and Times of Joe Jackson (Large Print) (2008) [2001] More Ghosts in the Gallery: Another Sixteen Little-Known Greats at Cooperstown (2007) Cap Anson: The Grand Old Man of Baseball (2005) Ghosts in the Gallery at Cooperstown: Sixteen Little-Known Members of the Hall of Fame (2004) Louis Sockalexis: The First Cleveland Indian (2002) Shoeless: The Life and Times of Joe Jackson (2001) The Irish in Baseball An Early History DAVID L. FLEITZ McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers Jefferson, North Carolina, and London LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CATALOGUING-IN-PUBLICATION DATA Fleitz, David L., 1955– The Irish in baseball : an early history / David L. Fleitz. p. cm. Includes bibliographical references and index. ISBN 978-0-7864-3419-0 softcover : 50# alkaline paper 1. Baseball—United States—History—19th century. 2. Irish American baseball players—History—19th century. 3. Irish Americans—History—19th century. 4. Ireland—Emigration and immigration—History—19th century. 5. United States—Emigration and immigration—History—19th century. I. Title. GV863.A1F63 2009 796.357'640973—dc22 2009001305 British Library cataloguing data are available ©2009 David L. Fleitz. All rights reserved No part of this book may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying or recording, or by any information storage and retrieval system, without permission in writing from the publisher. On the cover: (left to right) Willie Keeler, Hughey Jennings, groundskeeper Joe Murphy, Joe Kelley and John McGraw of the Baltimore Orioles (Sports Legends Museum, Baltimore, Maryland) Manufactured in the United States of America McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers Box 611, Je›erson, North Carolina 28640 www.mcfarlandpub.com Acknowledgments I would like to thank a few people and organizations that helped make this book possible. -
Baseball Coaching Records
Baseball Coaching Records All-Divisions Coaching Records Winningest All-Time By Percentage ........................... 2 Winningest All-Time By Victories ................................. 2 Division I Coaching Records Winningest Active By Percentage ............................... 3 Winningest Active By Victories ..................................... 3 Winningest All-Time By Percentage ........................... 3 Winningest All-Time By Victories ................................. 4 Division II Coaching Records Winningest Active By Percentage ............................... 5 Winningest Active By Victories ..................................... 5 Winningest All-Time By Percentage ........................... 5 Winningest All-Time By Victories ................................. 6 Division III Coaching Records Winningest Active By Percentage ............................... 7 Winningest Active By Victories ..................................... 7 Winningest All-Time By Percentage ........................... 7 Winningest All-Time By Victories ................................. 8 2 All-DIVISION COacHING RECORDS All-Divisions Coaching Records (Minimum 10 years as a NCAA head coach; includes record at four-year colleges only.) BY PERCENTAGE BY VICTORIES Coach, Team Yrs. Won Lost Tied Pct. Coach, Team Yrs. Won Lost Tied Pct. 1. Robert Henry Lee (Southern U. 1949-60) ............ 12 172 35 0 .831 1. *Gordie Gillespie (Lewis 1953-76, 2. Don Schaly (Marietta 1964-03) ................................. 40 1,438 329 13 .812 St. Francis [IL] 77-95, Ripon -
Daily Iowan (Iowa City, Iowa), 1955-08-17
--", .......... -- ..... - .. .. Serving the State University of Iowa Camp"s and Iowa City oman ~I'. t 161 - A' ~aed Wire, Wl,.photo - p;~ Cents Iowa City, Iowa, Wednewoy, August 17. 1955 I Hurricane Diane edifor;al . (The ......1 .. ettit.,., ...........cest ." ,... ....-. KXIC .. Itt 5:30 ...wac.. T..... , ...n"", lay .... M........ IOn.) Last night night about 8:30 a young manied (owa City woman wa apcosted in the north end oE town by a younl man, who blindfolded her, gagged ber, and fol'Ctl{l her down aD alley ~ , . at knifepoint. TIle a ailant stripped off her clothing, mole.ted her, then left. There was no assault. n '\loa The woman reported the incident to Iowa City pol joe, wbo . have been investigating it - ~uletly, proceedi,.g 0 as not.to tip . • • INO/A oCE the assailant that. he was being hunted, and al 0 0 as Dot to ~outh Kor.ea arouse thc cornmuOIty. ! ,., / :60lnjured In the spirit of moore interest In. the welEate 0( Iqwa City, A ~ . R . and out of desire to cooperate with our law-enforcement gain elects /- "During Riots officer, we observed their restrictioD on pobJiciziJa, the In· I . cident and the invc tigatlon. I\~ under simlfar circumstances in Red 8,' dS i the pa 't, w turned over relevant information that came tG our Bombay attention to the police department, in order to assist them in any SEOUL (Wedneaday) (,4') _ In way we mjl'ht be able. , South Korea l'uesPay rejecled BOMBAY. India ("'? - Riots, ~ Communist Chinese and North strikes, and demonstrations We felt that we wcre doing our duty; that we Welc acting Korean propo als lor unification I broke out TuClliday In many parts a bonellt, re~poJl ' lblc joumali1lts - passing by a nailer scll$a~ talks u "the ame old Com- ot Jndla to prolest the ra\~ I tiollal-typc ~tory - pa sing it by 00 fjv uccc i (" newscas munlst propapnda Une." ~,~~~Ill!t ',"f:,~ shootJnl of IS or more Indtans because we had becn asked by our police department, because "Any dlscusslons with the PUP- f during M.ooday's "pcaceful in vasion" ot Port~lIUese Jndla. -
Kit Young's Sale #154
Page 1 KIT YOUNG’S SALE #154 AUTOGRAPHED BASEBALLS 500 Home Run Club 3000 Hit Club 300 Win Club Autographed Baseball Autographed Baseball Autographed Baseball (16 signatures) (18 signatures) (11 signatures) Rare ball includes Mickey Mantle, Ted Great names! Includes Willie Mays, Stan Musial, Eddie Murray, Craig Biggio, Scarce Ball. Includes Roger Clemens, Williams, Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Randy Johnson, Early Wynn, Nolan Ryan, Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt, Jim Hank Aaron, Rod Carew, Paul Molitor, Rickey Henderson, Carl Yastrzemski, Steve Carlton, Gaylord Perry, Phil Niekro, Thome, Hank Aaron, Reggie Jackson, Warren Spahn, Tom Seaver, Don Sutton Eddie Murray, Frank Thomas, Rafael Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn, Robin Yount, Pete Rose, Lou Brock, Dave Winfield, and Greg Maddux. Letter of authenticity Palmeiro, Harmon Killebrew, Ernie Banks, from JSA. Nice Condition $895.00 Willie Mays and Eddie Mathews. Letter of Cal Ripken, Al Kaline and George Brett. authenticity from JSA. EX-MT $1895.00 Letter of authenticity from JSA. EX-MT $1495.00 Other Autographed Baseballs (All balls grade EX-MT/NR-MT) Authentication company shown. 1. Johnny Bench (PSA/DNA) .........................................$99.00 2. Steve Garvey (PSA/DNA) ............................................ 59.95 3. Ben Grieve (Tristar) ..................................................... 21.95 4. Ken Griffey Jr. (Pro Sportsworld) ..............................299.95 5. Bill Madlock (Tristar) .................................................... 34.95 6. Mickey Mantle (Scoreboard, Inc.) ..............................695.00 7. Don Mattingly (PSA/DNA) ...........................................99.00 8. Willie Mays (PSA/DNA) .............................................295.00 9. Pete Rose (PSA/DNA) .................................................99.00 10. Nolan Ryan (Mill Creek Sports) ............................... 199.00 Other Autographed Baseballs (Sold as-is w/no authentication) All Time MLB Records Club 3000 Strike Out Club 11. -
1909-11 American Tobacco Company T206 White Border Baseball
The Trading Card Database https://www.tradingcarddb.com 1909-11 American Tobacco Company T206 White Border Baseball NNO Ed Abbaticchio NNO John Butler NNO Mike Donlin NNO Clark Griffith NNO Ed Abbaticchio NNO Bobby Byrne NNO Mike Donlin NNO Moose Grimshaw NNO Fred Abbott NNO Howie Camnitz NNO Mike Donlin NNO Bob Groom NNO Bill Abstein NNO Howie Camnitz NNO Jiggs Donahue NNO Tom Guiheen NNO Doc Adkins NNO Howie Camnitz NNO Wild Bill Donovan NNO Ed Hahn NNO Whitey Alperman NNO Billy Campbell NNO Wild Bill Donovan NNO Bob Hall NNO Red Ames NNO Scoops Carey NNO Red Dooin NNO Bill Hallman NNO Red Ames NNO Charley Carr NNO Mickey Doolan NNO Jack Hannifin UER NNO Red Ames NNO Bill Carrigan NNO Mickey Doolan NNO Bill Hart NNO John Anderson NNO Doc Casey NNO Mickey Doolan NNO Jimmy Hart NNO Frank Arellanes NNO Peter Cassidy NNO Gus Dorner NNO Topsy Hartsel NNO Harry Armbruster NNO Frank Chance NNO Patsy Dougherty NNO Jack Hayden NNO Harry Arndt NNO Frank Chance NNO Patsy Dougherty NNO J. Ross Helm NNO Jake Atz NNO Frank Chance NNO Tom Downey NNO Charlie Hemphill NNO Home Run Baker NNO Bill Chappelle NNO Tom Downey NNO Buck Herzog NNO Neal Ball NNO Chappie Charles NNO Jerry Downs NNO Buck Herzog NNO Neal Ball NNO Hal Chase NNO Joe Doyle NNO Gordon Hickman NNO Jap Barbeau NNO Hal Chase NNO Joe Doyle NNO Bill Hinchman NNO Cy Barger NNO Hal Chase NNO Larry Doyle NNO Harry Hinchman NNO Jack Barry NNO Hal Chase NNO Larry Doyle NNO Dick Hoblitzell NNO Shad Barry NNO Hal Chase NNO Larry Doyle NNO Danny Hoffman NNO Jack Bastian NNO Jack Chesbro NNO Jean Dubuc NNO Izzy Hoffman NNO Emil Batch NNO Eddie Cicotte NNO Hugh Duffy NNO Solly Hofman NNO Johnny Bates NNO Bill Clancy NNO Jack Dunn NNO Buck Hooker NNO Harry Bay NNO Josh Clarke UER NNO Joe Dunn NNO Del Howard NNO Ginger Beaumont NNO Fred Clarke NNO Bull Durham NNO Ernie Howard NNO Fred Beck NNO Fred Clarke NNO Jimmy Dygert NNO Harry Howell NNO Beals Becker NNO J. -
1934-10-03 [P A-13]
GRANTLAND RICE DENMAN THOMPSON JOHN B. KELLER ■*? FRANCIS E. STAN ALAN GOULD JOHN LARDNER H. C. BYRD if J ROD THOMAS LAWRENCE PERRY JIM BERRYMAN W. R. McCALLUM E. A. FULLER, JR. '_WASHINGTON, D. C., WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1934._» A-43~ Prove Great to in World Series Cast-Offs*- ■ I- ■ -■ ■ — — of A_A Washington May Help Tigers ♦% Martin Will Find Ex-Nats Share Tiger Burden and Coin Mickey Tougher EIGHT MANAGERS S«ScopeJ Presa. By the Associated “Are” October 3— Pepper MAJOR Tigers Doggedly Martin did but steal PICK ACES DETROIT, everything I Determined; Cards catcher's mitt Mickey Cochrane's v and shin guards in the 1931 world Cocky and Sure. between the Cardinals and Crowder Back Close to Top series Four in Each National and _BY DENMAN THOMPSON_ Eight Minor Leaguers Come Athletics, but he'll And it tougher Fischer to steal this series. Are Sports Editor, Is Believed Form—Marberry, and Earn- American Leagues Up—Griff Lefty Grove George October 3.—Dogged shaw always were notoriously weak determination versus to Also Are Ready. at holding runners anchored on Standout Choices. cocky Talking Hornsby. bases, so Mickey really received a confidence. These best de-1 lot of criticism for DETROIT, unju.t letting scribe the frame contrasting ] By the Associated Press. BY JOHN B. KELLER. Martin steal him blind. BY JOHN LARDNER. of mind with which the and Star Tigers ETROIT, October 3.—Major Staff Correspondent of The But the Tiger pitchers, carefully BALL fans may argue day Cardinals entered the world series 3 — coached against base stealing by League base ball teams had Mich., October in and day out about their their boss, should be hard to pilfer here how this world that got under way today.