pnfb saies, Vol. IV, No. 39 Bburaday, September 5,1991 -. - J..- .. '"13 (6aL.J
LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)
First Session (Tenth Lok Sabha)
LOK SABUA SECRB'TARIAT NEW DELHI
[Tenth Series, Voi. IV First Session. 1913 (SakaR
No. 39, Thursday, September 5,1991Bhadra 14,191 3 (Saka)
Oral Answers to Questions : 148
'Starred Questions Nos. 692 to 695,697 and 699
Written Answers to Questions :
Starred Question Nos. 691.6%. 698 and 700 to 71 0
Unstarred Question Nos. 5737 to 5893
Papers Laid on the Table
Message from Rajya Sabha
Wild Lie (Protection) Amendment Bill, 1991--Laid
As passed by Rajya Sabha
Matters Under Rule 377
(i) .Need for central assistance to curb the growing activitiis of maxalites in Madhya Pradesh
Shri Mohanlal Jhikram
(ii) Need to supply adequate quantity of diesel and Kerosene to fishermen and transport corporations in Tamil Nadu on subsidised rates
Shri R. Dhanuskodi Athithan
dgn + marked ahthe meof a ember indicates that the question was adally asked on 'he fbor d the HOW by that Member. Need to aonstrct convenient line roads to West Kallai of Calicut dty in Kerala
Shri K. Muralee Dharan
Need to rtmgnise Aheria, Baheilia etc. as Scheduled Castes an over the country Dr. Lal Bahadur Rawai Need for early implementation of the schemes for the improvement of the slum areas in Dehi
Shri Tam Chad Khandehnal
Need to devebp Chikana Railway Station (North Eastern Railway) into a crossing railway station
Shri Oevendra Prasad Yadav
Need to mvert Kriihnanagar Telephone Exchange into electronic exchange
Shri Apy Mukhopadhyay
Need to aomplete track renewal krkon Shoranur-Nihmbur Line
Shri E. Ahamed
Demands for Grants (General). 1991 -92
(i) Ministry d Defence
Shri Jaswant Siih
Sbri Shravan Kuw Patd
Shri Viwanalh PraSap Singh
Shri lndr ajh Gupta
Shri 0. Venlcateswara Rao
Shri KaJlikemer Patra Shri D.D. Khanoria
Shri Surya Narayan Yadav
Shri Mohan Rawle
Shri Tejsinghrao Bhonsle
Shri V.N. Sharma
Shri lnder Jit
Shri Sharad Pawar
(ii) Ministry d Chemicals and Fertilizers. Ministry d Civil Aviation and Tourism, Ministry d Wi Supph and PuMi Distribution, etc. . . @qmbon(No. 4) Bill Mot'itoilltrodLJce
Shri Manmohan Singh
Shri Manmohan Sih
Shri Ram Naik
Shri P.A Sangma
M3lhbPlllls
Shri Manmohan Singh
LOKSABHADEBATES
LOK SABHA (c) if not, the reasons therefor?
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE(SHR1 K.C. lhursday, Sqtember 5, 199 1/ Bhadra 14, LENKA):(a) No, Sir. 19 13 (Saka) @) Does not arise, in view of reply at (a) above. (c) A proposal for constitution of the Commodity Management Board for export The Lok Sabha met at Elewn of the CM and import of agricultural cornmodlies is under consideration of the Government. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chaid THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (SHRI BALRAM JAKHAR): Sorry for coming late. [English] SHRI SUDHIR GIRI: Sir, in respecl of MR. SPEAKER : Q. NO. 691, Shri the agricultural goods export, the Govern- Mudala Giriyappa. ment's objective is to maximise it tor earning foreign exchange but at the same time, 1 Not here. Shri Sudhir Giri. should be kept in view that domestic availa- bility of essential commoditiis tor .mass SHRI SUDHIR GIRI: Q. N0.682. (Inter- consurnptio~~at reasonable prii is en- *ions) sured. Ithink, when the Government anatysed THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the export growth of agricukuralgoods, they MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI have not taken into consideration, the inter- MULLAPPALY RAMACHANDRAN): Excuse est of the people who are living below the poverty line. They have imported edible oil etc. for keeping the prices under control. All Manage- these things have tapn pla&due to lack of men- coordination between the producers, the . .,,- .-. =& exporters and others. This has n-ssitated '692. SHRI SUDHIR GlRl : Will the setting up of Goods Management i;omr$- Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to tee for export. state: In view of this, may Iknow from the hon. (a) whether the Commodtly Manage- Minister by which time such Board will be ment Board for export and import of agricul- constituted? tural commodities has been constituted; SHRI BALARAMJAW: Mr. Speaker, @) ii so, the details thereof; and Sir, there are already mienBoards- the Tea 3 WAnsw8n SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WAnsmws 4
Board, the Coffee Board, the Rubber Board.. th. thet ,imports ad ex- are male the Spices Board. the Tobacco Board, the beneficial for the developing countries? Has Markre Products Exports Development Au- the Government taken any steps to see thal .thority and the Agricultural Processed Food these Boards are further strengthened? Products Development Authority. These Boards come under the Ministry of Corn- SHRl BALRAM JAKHAR: The question merce. They deal with them. remains the same. We haw nm @ the folbwing commodities which do not haw There had been an idea, for quite a bng any speclic Board Authorities. lime, regarding this question which he has midnow. There was also a question as to Wheat how to coordinate this thing. Because this has been envisaged under the Ministry of Rice Aqriarlhrre. So. we are just giving a thought b L We have just take it over and we will find out a formula which can be viable and work- able.
Ihave also referred it in my speech here Grains that Iam considering it. taking the advice and also havingdiscussion.: with other concerned Cashew authorities so that we can find out something which will be in the best interest of the Pukes farmers and promotion of export of the agri- cultural commodities which is so dearly Sugarcane required. Meat and meat products. SHRl SUDHIR GIRI:Theconstitution of Boards for other commodities has definitely So, we have to coordi~tethese am- helped the export growth. So, may I know modities. The Tea and Coffee Boards take a from the hon. Minister, whether, in constitut- cumulative effect for produdion as well as ing Management Boards for agricultural export and processing and marketingalthese goods for their exports and imports, the commodities. And we have tried to promote consumers, producers and the exporters will all these commodities lor a better perform- be tdten into those Boards. ance and better results and remunerative pricesfor the farmers. Ithink, they have dono SHRl BALRAM JAKHAR: We have to a good job. We are ako reviewing them. Bul take into mnsideration the interest of all as as far as international discussions are con- well as the advice of all. cerned, we have still to go further into them and decide our future course of action. SH. ANANDG&MPATI FW-U-P-eSA- - 4 i ~~~l-~inister has iust now men- " ' SHRl M. R. KADAMBUR JANW tha! there are quite a iew Boards to NA& Cotton is one of the main crops in our deal with various commodities. Bul are country. Now its production has beendou#e
[ Transhtion] SHRI 6AlRAM JAKHAR: The policy in 6 thb regard already exists. Some people also SHRl WAGWAN SHANKAR RAWAT: do export. Grapes and other fruits are ex- Sir, lGam to tcm the whet~~Gov~iiint Wsd by the people directly. In this regard, is going to declare special incentives to the WO give incentives as much as possible. farmers for boosting exports. I want to know 'l'~em4 no restriction on a. specifically about special incsnQjes. 7 CkrlAnsmrn SEPTEMBER 5,1991 ChlAnswrn 8 propose to give the same kF SHRl LOKANATH CHOUDHURY: W, ca&es in the matter 44 export to the fann- marine produde is another area aJ agriEuC om as are given to other people. ture.
SHRl BALRAM JAKHAR: The poliey MR. SPEAKER: Some of these boards whichisapplicebletooth.t,ua&oappliedto are not with the Agricufture Ministry end they farmers. Inthis regard, there renot different are with the Commerce Ministry. polides As far as granting of special incen- tives is concerned. we will msider it. We SHRl LOKANATH CHOUDHURY: are thiiing about it. At present we export Mariie pr$uds come from the agricuhr- row material, fruits, rice and wheat only. But kits..... (internrpfions) for the purpose of exporting processedfood, we have to arrange technical know how and MR. SPEAKER: Marine board and Tea quam control. We have to compete with board are coming under the Commerce others. We are trying to develop infrastruc- Ministry. brefor it. 7 SHRl LOKANATH CHOUDHURY: SHRl HARlSlNH CHAVDA: Mr. Marine products are being exported. lt might Speat(B;r, Sir, will thiSlWii.~&Tk%ly tell be with the Commerce Ministry or with the & whether we export the surplus commodi- other Ministry. tiesonly or we export such commodities also whii are produced less than our require- MR. SPEAKER: The Agriculture Minis- ments? if we export such commodities, their ter may not have all the information. prices will increase here. There is a saying in Gujarat-'Gnama Shokra Ghmti Chate Aur ?..A SHRI. LOKANATH CHOUDHURY: I Upadhyayane Aatom-Whatis your poky in waaknowfrom tFe"Minister, in viewof the this regard. Which commodities we are lad that there is a grea&emand and possi- exporting? Do we exporl surplus commodi- bibty whether t he Agriculture Ministry is think- tionly or export those commodities also ing to have a better planning to export agri- which are in scarcity. culturalproducts and give more mcentives to the producers. SHRl BALRAM JAKHAR: k can never be thought. How a person can give alms SHRl BALRAM JAKHAR: k is always when he is himself hungry. The question our endeavour to produce more and export does not arise.(lnfem@tions) more. And we will try to give something more. Naturally, promotion of exports is the prime motive at this time. We have a Fisher- SHRI P.C. CHACKO Some of the ies Conference in Europe about this marine -'.. - ,a-* onageventBo%ds constituted @ducts, where people from all over the for the purpose mentioned by the hon. Min- world will attend. Ithink, we will get some- ister have not taken oft so tar; especially the thing more in knowledge, collaboration and Coconut Development Board is no! able to cooperation. r,-: carry out itsfundions becawedttropPudty ofthefumls. Willthehtm. Mnblerbeplsased to state. what are the steps taken for strength- ening the functioning of the Coamut Board? SHRl BHERU LAL MEENA: Mr. Spdiei; Sir, the hon. Minister has said jwt MR. SPEAKER: I think these Boards now thaf wheal wUI be exported. Iwant b are with the Commerce Mi-. know the reasons behind redudngthe quota of wtwdbeing diiributod at wbidised ntrr SHRl BALRAM JAKHAR: Ithimk wo wid as a rwltpl wtri propk in Rajrdhur, tJu- of thm pnoled thi8 year. part- in trY#l areas, ue dytng d hun- ger. W the hon. MWter give an assure to restom thequota of 10 -ram of wheat per unh? Post offices upgraded durlng Seventh rrcu".---- Pbn MR. SPEAKER: The reply has already been given just now.
SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR: w.spe-sii:, awug~~m"w the from hon. Minister whether Government (a) the number d post ofiisin variotrs propoaa to set up an Export Centre between States and Union Territories upgraded dup Kumaun and Bareilly Division keeping in ing the Seventh Five Year Plan, year-wise; view that much expendlure has to be in- curred on transportation of rice to Delh~for (b)the number ol posi onices upgraded onward transmission for export. If so, by in Ranchi dislrict of Bihar during the above when? period; and
MR. SPEAKER: Export comes under (c) the details thereof the Ministry of Commerce. Don? link it with other this. [English]
SHRl SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IK ME Mr. Speaker. Sir, rice is exported and it MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI comes under his Ministry. P.V. RANGAWA NAIDU): (a)to (c). A State- ment is laid on the Table of the House. [English] STATEMENT MR. SPEAKER: Will the Minister like to respond to this? (a) The idormation is furnished in the attached Annexure. SHRl BALRAM JAKHAR: There is noth- ing in it. Ican reply to his question. He can @) and (c). No Post Offices were up come to me and we can talk it over with the graded in Flanchi District of Biharduringthe Commerce Minister. 7th Five Year Plan.
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than three kilometres tor gdting possl fdc hy. However, we have to examine whrther SHRl RAM TAHAL CHOUMY:Mr. the post office will run or not. The qmning d Spmh,Sir, the reply given to my question a post oifii will not be smsshrl unkss is nd dear. Ihad asked the reason for not there is business. Afier amsidering all as- rpgrpd'ing any of the post offices of Bihar pects, the Government has formulated such duw Seventh Five Year Plan whereas a poky where backward and hilly areas wil many d the post &is in Ranchi Distrid are be categorised separately. Three thowand d bwer status. Why this step rnothetty treat- ot populatian is requked to open a post menl is meted out to Bihar by the Govern- office. But in haty area, .onty populahn of ment? Iwant to know from the hon. Minister 500 wll senre the purpose. We have formu- whether the Government proposes to up lated the policy after taking into account all grade the post offices of Bihar? the as-. / , THE MHISTER OF STATE OF THE SHRI AITAL,H4Ei,_JpJPAYEE; What MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI do you mean by the running ot a post office. WESHPILOT): Mr. Speake Sir, it is true Does the pcst office run? Will it be decided that the post offices of Bihar eaukl not be on the basis of monetaiy benefi!? ufgraded because the praposats sent by their Department did not fdl under those SHRl RAIESH PILOT: Sufficient postal categories which were seWed for the pur- wvrk for a! least three-four hours should be pose of upgradation. here for a parson who has been employed there. What is the use of a Post Onice if the So far as Ranchi District is concerned, sufficient postal work is not there. In rural they had sent recommendalions for upgrad- prlance, it ip called running of a Dak-Khana ing six extradepartmental post off ices. But \ a! a! the six did nat funil the prescribed norms SHRl SUW MANDAL: Mr. Speaker, and hence the proposal was turned down. Sir, aZamatter.of rule, they have laid down a criterion to open a post-off ice at every 3 But, Mr. Speaker, Sir, as per the policy kibmetres in the country. Shri Choudhary in d the Government al least one post office his submission has made a request to pro- wJI be provided to tPe villages within the vide il a! within a radius 1 1R to kibmetm periphery of 3 kilometres It is also the target instead of three kilornetres, particula~dyin d our Government. We are going to cover Chhota Naypur and Sanlhal Pargana region the wblec~lntyunder this policy including of Bihar because the habitation d just Bihar. The post off ices of the required cate- hundred families is considered to be avillage goy will be sanctioned for Bihar. in those areas whereas in other areas of Ihe country a village comprises habttation of SHRl RAM TAHAL CHOUDHARY: Mr. 500-1000 families. I would like lo know Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister might be whether the Government will consider fram- aware that Chhota Nagpur and Santhal dis- ing separate rules in regard to opening ot triets are backward and tribal areas. The postoffices in the tribal areas which have villages are situated at a considerable dis- been given special category status by the tance. Iwad to know whether the Govern- Central Government? ment propose b increase the number cd * offii in Chhota Nagpur and Santhal Di- SHRl FUUESH PILOT: As Isaid earlier, bicts keeping in view the diiance of the the Governments policy is to provide post& v#qm in those distrids? services to the maximum number of pwpb. in thii regard the ailerion fired by tho Gav- WRl WSHPILOT: As Ihave said, emment is in the form ol guidelines only. For the poky has been formulated in such a oxample, in Jaisalmer araUhere is no M- manrwrthatnobody will havetowak more Offii within a radius cd every throe kOo- orr there is no village there within a have a Post Office. Now. shifting that Post rsngp of 25 k'i&es. Thsse guidelines Office to the Panchaya headquarters will have been laid so as to serve as norms for create a ktd problem. So. we will keep the opening of post offices. We shall continue to distance criteria maintained, may be the give priority to opening af Post Oflice de- Panchayat headquarters may not have. but pending upon the needs d the people in a the Panchayat will have. So, that is in our particular area mind.
Regarding E.D. empbyees requirement, as on today. we are opening extra depd- SARI HANNAN MOUAH: The upgra- mental Post Offbswhere we have work for dation of past otfiis is related to the ques- three to four hours. We will employ these tion of upgradation of employees also. As ?$a departmental empbyees there. ;x;" you are aware. there are more than three ! -4 hkh extra departmental empbyees. If this SHRl CHllTA BASU: Why is it c. upgradation is made. then those ED employ- extr~eT%~every much part ees also will be upgraded and they wiH get of the Postal ~eprtment.why this extra- sonrice there. The Government is planning department nomenclature? (htemqlions). to increase the number of post Mi.I want b know whether the Government is setting up post offices in each panchayat and up SHRl RAJESH PILOT: Iagree with the grade the ED employees and post them in hon. Member. What we thought when it was these post offices. decjded to put the words Extra Department. that ir is a part-time pb given to a citizen of There is a bg failure in the opening of that place where for three hours he wksm new post offices. This has been mentioned the Post Miand for rest of the time he by the CAG Report that a number d post woks in an other place. We cannot pay him dl- were planned to be opened during the full salary. We are paying salary 04 Rs. the Seventh Plan but the Government has 3001- or somewhem Rs. 4W-for part -time. failod to open them. Iwant to know: what was the target and what is the achievement and Then the Senrice Rules are such that why was the failure there? the moment he becomes an empbyee. he cannot work somewhere eke. But. it is ako under consideration that people want to be SHRl RAJESH PILOT: As far as upgra- called 'Postal Worker' instead of cabin9 it ' dathis amcerned, the hon. Member is very '~xtraDepartmental Worker'. right The moment you upgrade a post otfii. it means that there is a workload in that past As far as these workers are concerned. affii. So accordingly, the strength d the tiU the moment we have Post Otfices with the personnel ako goes up. As far as the pan- required workload all over the country. we -at is mined, Ihave given a thought have to continue with Extra Departrnemal over it that when we are corrnecting a pan- Worker because we have Extra Deparbnen- chsyab with a telephone can we not have a tal Post Otfices. This nomenclature is am- post MIin each panchayat? neded with that &.
BuI tMdoes not worlc in a hexagon Regarding the Seventh Plan target, it is whenyouWMk0utapendiondfunctiOniid a fact that we did not meet the Seventh Plan ~Past~.So,what~thoug~wastarget. There were some shortcomings d thal ws wil keep a distarm of three kms. for this a +eparalequestion may be asked. W#hin a Panchayat them may be a village so lhal Ican give full information aboul the Whkhbatreor3,havhgaPostOlfi.May ressons d not fuliing the Sewnth Phn brthatPurchyat~doesm taw- SHRl UOHAMMAD YUNUS SALEEM: As far as efficiency in mail isanmmd. Mr. Speaker, Sir. 1vuoid'e;r if thehon. Minister . we do a test trial. We see how much time it is erra~ethat in the good old days the post- takes from one wrner of the wuntty lo the man were given uniforms for use and they other auner dthe country, from the remote vvsr~the regular empbyees d the Postal viaage to the remote village. In the test trial. bpaftment. Now. in our country, particu- it is coming b bur to fie days as on today. lady in the villages. hwsmds d persons One odd case whii the hon. Member has enrpbyed on daily wages. and nobody mentionad. lcankokintoit.butweare2rying can say by seeing a person that he is post- b bring it to three days where mail could be men Now, the result is that the mail is not delivered anywhere to anywhere. Efforts are disbkrtecl regularly in villages for etghl to on. It is a bng process. Impcovement is ten day together. One fine morning that needed but more efforts are needed in thii pecson comes and distrbutes the mail money sedor and we are trying on this. arders and disappears fw another ten days. There is no discpline, there are no service As regards the daily-wage workers, I RJesepphcaMeto~postman.Iwantto have said that the daily wages thing is be knm bmthe hon. Minister whether he is cause the Extra-Departmental category aware that these persons who are working workers are being employed on a palt time on daily wages have been working for years basis. It is very difficull to regularise all the bgether and their senrices have not been so workers because the workbad is not that far regularised? Is he going to consder to much as it should be for being a regular mguhh their senrioes. ernpby them as empbyee d the Department. regular postman and supply them with uni- krmssothattheymayberecugnisedasthe SHRl MOHAMMAD YUNUS SALEEM: postmen of the Department? That is not wrrecl. Iam sorry.
SHRl RMESH PILOT: Ican share the SHRl RUSH PILOT: Sir, the basic information with the hon. Member in case he p~loblem.whii the House will agree with has something by which we can improve the me, is the athure what a was in the Depart- system. merrR.Thepostmanwasnotonlyservingas a postman. but he was amsidered to be a As regards uniform. uniform is given to aymbd d national integration. He was bved all the postal employees. We are trying to the whole society and he was having that bring that cuIture also where they go in unhand do the postal service. rospedwhikhwasintheprofessionitseW. We are slightty bd We have also taken a decision- Iforgot [EngW "L i to mention during the earlier question- to SHRlMATl WIN1 BHAlTACHAR- start and award for the best postman of the -. -* quarter at the Division level. not at the by AYA: Sir. there is a need for extension of' Cirde level. We can select the best postman S;erGices rather than upgrading them. Fkst of out of. say. 1.000 postmen or 1,500 postmen all. Iwould like to know whether ad present and give some incentive to him so that he there is any order against the opening of woks better and there is a competition in the Extra-Departmentalpost offiiin verythi Department to improve the sewice. populated urban areas. H there is Iwould like to know from the Government whether they can sanction SHRI MOHANLAL JHIKRAM: Mr. departmental subpost &is al pbces ~pesr.Sir. earlier a bogre of the Railway where the departmental post offices cannot Mail Service used to be attached to the ensure delivery. particularly at places where passenger trams with a letter box in 11. This the pressure of growing population warrants arrangement was very convenient for the it. The subpost offices can serve the pur- people. But now that arrangement has been pose which the departmental post dice done away with. Would the hon. Minister be cannot do. pleasad to state the reason for discontmuing the Raitway mail Service? SHRl WESH PILOT: Sir. I have aC ready said that there are some guidelines to SHRI WESH PILOT: That has not open these post offices. &post Miand been abolished completely. Earlier the proc- extra departmental post Mi.But these ess a4 sorting mail used to take phce In the are the guidelines only. There is ding train itsel. Now a change has been intro- that-akght. there is a guideline and nothing duced in this system. Sorting work is done could go one centimetre this side or that first and the sorted adides are packed in the side. This is basically to the service of the bogii in order to carry those d~rectlyto the citiien. Wherever the hon. Member feek destination. H the hon. Member requires that this service is required in this form. the details regarding this, he should put a sepa- Department is prepared to open a post affice rate question. 3 t in this category. 33 SHRl WENDRA AGNIHOTRI: The [T~tnshw3 - > hon.&kter has made provision for open- ing Post Office at every kilometre in hill areas. The same geographical conditions exist in plateau areasof Bundekhand region h Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. '694. SHRl RAMESHWAR PATW)AR: Topography. living condiiions and means of win the w*orrmnnE--AFFAlW- be- - COmmJftiCatiOn in this regbn ere the same pleased to sWe: 23 WAnsmPrs SEPTEMBER 5,1991 OralAnsllners 24 (a) the progress made In identilying the STATEMENT hdgnem after implenrentation d the As- SIM~Acuud 1985; (a) and @). As on 31.5.1991 @) the number d such foreign natianals (i) the number d persons detected whohawbwndeportedsofarasperthe under the Foreigners (Trbunal) Order. 1964-15.659. (c)the steps taken and pmgress made (ii) the number of persons declared as so fm in inplementing ather dauses of the itlegal migrants under the MOT &ud Ckowirefencing etc? Act. 1983-7.606. (iii) out d those declared as i)legal migrants, the number of persons THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE expelled-716. MlNlSTRYOFPARLWhENTARYAFFAIRS AND MWlSTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- (c): The Central Government havetaken TRY OF HOME ATrAERS (SHRI UM. all the steps on their part in pursuance of the JMXW): (a) b (c). A Stcdement is laid on the Assam Accord. The progress of some of the Table d the Hause. important items is given bebw:- (i) Land acquSai lor 133.55 km. of road (ii) EMh work & adverts tor 113.10 km. of road The Citizenship Ad has bey A number of important Projects amended in tmof the Assam identifd by the Planning Commis- Aocord. sions have beentaken up for speed implementation. A Committee was The IMDT Act, 1983 has been set up under the Chairmanship of amended in amsrrltation with the Shri L.C. Jain, Member. Planning Gavemment d Asam to remove Commission whose recommenda- Uw dlfiadtiss exprosed regard- tions would be kept in vkw while ing its uqhmmtii. finalising the Plans of the State Government and the Central Gclv- To proiect presmm and promote mment Departments. the aRural social and &dty and heritage d the Assa- The Stale of Assam which already mese people a cuttwal complex enjoyed the status of 'special caW- 'Srimanta Shankaradev Kala gory'-would now be given assis- 9094 Kdretra'haa been apprwed. tance on the pettern d granl and 10% ban. A padcage for the revival of Ash& Far~eawrornicdevebpment Paper Mills has been sanctioned dhsam*theSevenUIPbnwtlay torwhichagrentdRs.67.08~?~01 rrasrteppedupandalmosttho has been approved out d whM a wrlie daxtth was made avail- sum of b. 10.69 aortas has 4- r#.rr~~. ready been released lo the State. 25 OrdAnswers BHADRA 14.1 91 3 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 Agrant of Rs. 2.40crores has been [English] releasedfor the revival of the amp- erative Jute Mill and the Mill has SHRl M.M. JACOB: Sir, the hon. Mem- been revived. ber has referred to two clauses in the Assam Accord where the names were deleted from The cases of disciplinary adion the electoral list. After the completion of this against Central employees have process, enumeration was conducted re- been reviewed with sympathy. cently and electionswere held in 199: based on that enumeration. Exgratia payment has been made to the next of kin of those who were [ Translation] killed in the course of agaation @ Rs.50001- per person and the en- SHRl RAMESHWAR PATIDAR: Mr. tire amount has been given by the Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister has also CentralGovernment asgrant to the replied that under the I.M.D.T. Act of 1983, State Government. 7606 persons were detected as illegal mi- grants and out of those only 716 persons The upper age limit was relaxed for were deported. I would like to know the a period of 5 years by the Central reasons why only 700 persons out of thou- Government for Central employ- sands weredeproted during the last 6 years, ment in case of candidates from why not all of them were deported? In fact Assam. lakhs of infiltrators have entered Assam bvt the Government could detect only few thou- An Oil Refinery to be set up in sands. Further IwouM like to know whether Assam has been approved. the Government would differentiate between the refugees and the infiltrators? I have An Indian Institute of Technology come to know that many of the Chakma (IK) to be set up in Assam has Adivasis and other Hindus have been cam- been approved. pelled to leave Bangla Desh. They have taken refugee in Assam. Hence they must be treated as refugees and not infiltrators and [ Translarion] they must not be deported. [English] SHRl RAMESHEWAR PATIDAR: Mr. Speaker, Sir, Assam Accord was signed in SHRl M.M. JACOB: Though the num- 1985. The hon. Minister in his reply has ber of people who were detected is more stated that 15,659 person have been de- than the number of people who were ex- tected as foreigners under the Tribunal Order pelled, the exact number of persons who are of 1964. So far as I know, one of the condi- still there in Assam is not known as they are tions under Sub clause 4 of clause 5 of the not traceable, according to the information Assam Accord was that names of the per- available here. That is the reason why they sons sodetected would be removedirom the are not able to expel. They may be hiding eWoral-rolls for 10 years. Now that the somewhere, even outside Assam. Nobody people have been deteded, Iwould like to knows it. They are not detected. know from the hon. Ministet whether their 74 names have been deleted from the elec- SHRl SHARAD DIGHE; Sir, for the braholls. If not, what are the reasons there- economic devebpment of Assam, certain for? At the same time, Iwould like to know economic proposals were agreed upon. The whether such persons had participated in hon. Minister has stated that as far as the ol the last general elections? If so, won't such refinery is concerned, it has been approved. electiwc be declared null and void? Similarly an Indian Institute of Technology 27 Oralhl#ors SEPTEMBER 5.1991 OralAnsmars 28 was also approved. May Iknow why the work there or are staying there for centuries; they has not acfuatiy been commenced? Mere have been expelled from Assam through appmfal is not sufficient, as far as Assam is violent tenorist methods. May Iknowwhether coll~~rned.What are the irritants and ob- the Minister is in a position to assure the stades that are coming up in not actuaity House that these activities will be bmught starting this work? under check and not a single lndicitizen will be allowed to be expafled from Assam? SHRl UM. JACOB: Sir, the hon. Mem- ber has mentionedtwo points which are very THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS important The 1.I.T was approved by the (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN): Sir. the Government Central Government. But the location has to does not have such information, but il the be determined in consultation with the State hon. Member has any such information, he Government and the State Government has will kindly pass it on and we will definitely to find out where it has to be located. They take necessary action in the have gat a conflict about the area where it matter...... (lntemplions). hasm be located. That is the reason why the delay is caused in the actual implementation SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE: Sir. of the IIT. (Intmions). Land has to be only yesterday we met the Home Miister. bcated. Then only we will be aMe to proceed The Chief Minister of Rajasthan was also furttter. It has to be acquired. So location has there and he brought b the notice of the to bedetermined bythemthen acquisition of Home Minister how the business commu- land and so on and so forth. nity, particularly those who have come from Rajasthan, are being harassed. money is Regardingthe oil refinery. the patternof being extorted from them and the Govern- the oil refinery, who is to chair it and so on, all ment is helpless. Does he require notice for these detaik will have to be worked out. That this? is why it not been forthcoming as to how it can be implemented so far. SHRl S.B. CHAVAN: Sir, these are- different matters. One is about the methods of ULFA. They are extorting money from those who are moneyed people. SHRl SURYA NARAYAN YADAV: Mr. *-r, sir; i)lrb~~w&ldla~e"ii,tell SHRl ANNA JOSHI: What is he taking. the hon. Home Miister that a large number Sir? ....( lnte~tions). of refugees have entered Kishanganj. Pumea. Saharsa and Madhepura of Bihar, SHRl S.B. CHAVAN: Please try to which are aH border areas durii the last 5- understand. About those who are Indian 7 years. The Government of India has done citizens, there is no questi- of driving them nothing so far for their rehabilitation. away from Assam. In fact, by saying 'expel- ling them out of Assam' if the hon. Member wants lo say that they are going to other States, it is a different matter. but they have SHRl M.M. JACOB: Sir. the question is been driven out of the country is totally a on the Assarn accord. different matter. I don't think that ...( lnte~(9tions). MR. SPEAKER: Yes, this is relating to SOME HON. MEMBERS: Out d AS- Assam. k. -1 Sam. SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAIAPAYEE: Sir, wtii IW of il~egdm;ii;Snts "mtinuc to SHRl S.B. CHAVAN: So far as ULFA stay in Assam. a systematic effort is beii activities are concerned, becau80 d the made b expel Miancitizens who have gone atrocities committed by ULFA adivities il some d the people were to leave Assam. il Now, I mwld like to know from the hon. is a dierent matter. but we are trying to give Minlster whether any such approval had them protection to the extent possible, sir. been aamdd in respedof Chargola Sugar 7q Mills which had been closed for several SHRl CHCrrA BASU:_Sir. il is dear yeam and where empbyees are harassed. from me reply that about 24,000 have been departed as illegal migrants. May I know SHRI M.M. JACOB: Sir. Bs far as the from the hon. Minister what are the number first part of the question regarding fencing is of cases still pending before the Tribunal concerned. it is true that the number of under Foreigners(Trhnal)Order and IMDT kilometres mentioned by the hon. Member is Ad? Iwould like to know what are the num- given in the answer. But the work is being ber d cases still pending and whether il k done by lhe PWD d the Assam Government also a fad that a large number of cases have and the progress had to be watched by the been installed before the Tribunal in wrorrg State Government. If there is anything that way. in a motivated way. in order to deprive wecan do from our side, we are only too glad lndi citizens belonging to the linguistic to do it. Regarding the second part of the minoriiies and religious minorities of their question about Ashok Paper Milk, the Gov- rights. What is the exad number and how ernment had akeady sandioned money and does the Government propose to dispose had already paid an amount ot Rs.10.69 them of? crores. but the running of the mill is a differ- ent matter and the Mill has got its own SHRI M.M. JACOB: Sir. the number of internal problems including the labour prob- cases referred to Foreigners Tribunal is lem. They have a lot of labour force there and 33.01 8. number of cases disposed of by the they are not able to run the Mill. So, athrough Tribunal Is 17,109. number of persons de- investigation by the Assam Government is tected as foreigners is 15,659, number of necessary to make it really workable. Re- persons registered is 3,692 and the number garding the Cooperative jute Milk, whatever of persons awaiting registration is 11.697. was assured by the Government of India had This is the statistics about it. been done as per the Accord. Then. up10 31.5.1991. the number of cases disposed by the Tribunal is 7.517, number oi persons declared as illegal mi- Deaths of Jawans of Para-MiIElty grants is 7.606 and the nun;ber of persons Forces in Harness expelled is 716. 2 -. '695. PROF. RASA-S1rll.M RAWAT: SHRl KABINDRA PURKAYASTH: Mr. WiU the hnister of HOME AFFAIRS be spe&~~~~es59tsmiionly pleased to state: about 36.44 kms. of fencing had been com- pleted wt of the whole border. The fencing (a) the wmber of jawans of C.R.P.F.. work is going on two or three kimetres B.S.F. and other paramilitary Forces killed awayfrom the border. Thaother thing is, just while discharging their duty during the last on the border side. outside the fencing hun- three years; year-wise; dreds of families are residingfor a bng time. IwouMlike to knowwhether theGovernment (b) the details of the facilities and inem- has made any arrangement for bringing them tives being provide to the families d tfrose inside and settle them. jawans; Then. a package programme under the (c) the details of the schemes being Assam hrdwas made for the revival of implemented for their welfare and the amount AsMPaper Mills and an amount of Rs.67.08 spent thereon during the said period; year- aores had been sanctioned for that work. wise; and 31 OralAnswets SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Oral Answs 32 (d) whether preference is being given in in the statement laid on the Table of the recruitment to the eligible wards of the de- House. ceased jawansAoffiirs? (d) Recruitment to the posts in the Para- Miliiary Forces is made on the basis of merii in accordance with the provisions of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE RecruitmentRules. Compassionate appoint- MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS ments are, however. given to the depend- AND MINISTER OF STATE W THE MHIS- ents. according to the policy of the Govt. . if TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. the family of the deceased jawanloffiir, is in JACOB): (a) to (c). The information is given indigent arcumstances. 33 Oral Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34 SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Schemes Facilities available Amountspent CRPF Educational Fund Scholarship towardsof the Rs. 11,200 Rs. 9,400 Rs. 19.850 deceased at the rate of Rs. 1251- to As. 12001-per annum depending on the level of education (from bwer classes to degree classes). ClSF Welfare Risk Lumpsum grant of Rs. 10,0001. Rs. 14.800 Rs. 4.800 Rs. 544,800 Premia Fund and grant of Rs. 400/-p.m for a period of 20 years to the family of the deceased. The amount have been revised wef 1.9.89to Rs. 40,OOW- lumpsum and Rs. 5001-p.m. ITBP Central Rs. 15.0001-lumpsum + Rs. 5001- Rs. 15,000 Rs. 60,000 Benevolent p.m. to the family of the deceased (Risk Premium) for the 20 years. Fund ITBP Welfare Fund Rs. 2,50W-as immediate Rs. 2,500 Rs. 10,000 relief to the family of the deceased NSG Central Welfare Immediate relief at the rate d Rs. 2,560 Rs. 10,000 Fund Rs. 2,5001-to the family of persons killed while dischargingnormal duty and Rs. 5,OOW-while discharging I S duties. 39 OralAnswers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 OralAnswers 40 [ Translation] PROF. RASA SlNGH RAWAT: Mr. PROF. RASA SlNGH RAWAT: Mr. Speaker. Sir, the importance of para-military Speaker. Sir. with regard to the figures fur- forces has increased keeping in view the nished by the hon. Minister, IwouM like to difficult situationthat has arisen as a result of know the number of Jawans and Offiirs growing activities of terrorists, naxalles and sbparateiy who died in harness. Of these. divisive forces in the country. The incentives may Iknow the number of the persons died and othar facilities under various welfare in defending the frontiers, tackliiq incidents schemes being given to the families of the of terrorism and checking smuggling activi- deceased jawans killed in harness. as stated ties separately? Will the hon. Minister be by the hon. Minister is just like a drop in the please to furnish these details? Thirdly, I ocean. Mr. Speaker, Sir, compensation would like to know the number of the de- amounting to lakhs of rupees is paid to the pendents of the deceased who have been dependents of those killed in air crash recruited in the para-military forces during whereas on the other hand the compensa- the last three years? tion paidtotb wards a! the deceased jawans is negligible. Hence, I would Ike to know MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Member, such whetherthe Government has any scheme to questions are asked tor written answers. increase the facilities as -alsothe amount of cash mmpensation under various welfare [English] schemes being given to the families of the deceased jawans keeping in view the rise in H you have the information. you can prices and devaluation of rupee? Further. 1 give. would like to know whether the jawans would be given good training and equipped with modern weapons? SHRl M.M. JACOB: I require separate notice for this.. .(lnrenuptions). [ Translation] SHRl M.M. JACOB: regarding the first MR. SPEAKER: You have no question part of !he question, the families of the de now. ceased Jawans aregiven a btof faalities, as already mentioned in my statement placed [English] on the Table of the House. Besides that, the Slate Government are also giving ex gratia Probably you have no question. That is payment. Each State Government is giving why, you are trying to invent the question. I fairly good sum ranging from Rs. 50,000. Rs. am not allowing.. .(IntenqHions). one bkh to Rs.2 bkhs. Each State Govern- rnent has got a list. It the hon. Member wants to know about the specific State govern- MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. tment. Iam able to find out the exacl figure40 sandioned by them as ex gratia payment. SHRl SIJIWTNAIK: I would like to besides thal, we are providing aU facilities as know =the hon. ~ingerwhether the the hon. Member has said. Government is having any proposal to treat the Jawans deployed in the tribal areas at Regarding the second part of the ques- par with the Defenceforces?If so. thedetails tian about the Jawans, certainly they are thereof. aMets and good training is being given and more modernidtraining isbeing thougMof MR. SPEAKER: Would you like to bring and it b being given. them at par with the Defence forces? 41 OralAns wers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Oral Answers 42 SHRI M.M. JACOB: At present, there is (b) A comprehensive Agricultural De- no proposal to bring them at par with the velopment Project is being implemented in Defence forces. Tami: Nadu with World Bank Assistance. The total cost of the seven year project is of the order ol Rs. 309 crores. of which the World Bank assistance would be US $112.8 SHRl HARlN PhmMr.Speaker. sir million. The projeclincludes a component on durir'sgmi~&f?%ee years, 51 9 Jawans of livestock development under which the fol- the Para Military forces have laid down their lowing programmes are envisaged. lives. I would not like to say that they have been killed. Some of the culprits who at- Strengthening of selected State tacked them have been apprehended. Iwould livestock farms for production of like to know from the hon. Minister whether improved breeding bulls. the Government is considering to constitute a special court for speedy trials of those Establishment of frozen semen apprehended in order to boost the morale of centres. our forces? Due to delay on this account, they are often acquitted without getting any Extension of frozen semen facility punishment. to artificial insemination centres. [English] Strengthening of extension activi- ties. SHRI M.M. JACOB: As per the exsting law. the people are being tried. Strengthening of integrated fodder production system. Strengthening of veterinary diag- '697. SHRI B. RAJARAVIVARMA: Will nostic laboratories and epidemiol- the Minister of AGRICUL~E-~~T~~~~~ogical units. to state: The allocation for liestock devekp (a) whetherthe WorM Bank have cleared ment component of the projed is of the order the cattle Development Project with the pri- of Rs.33.90 crores, exduding contingen- mary objective of establishing a sustainable cies. livestock production system in Lamil Nadd; WIwr (c) The Liv~todcDevelopment compo- (b) if so, the details thereof; and nent of the project will be implemented throughout the State. (c) the places in Tamil Nadu identified for the implementation of this Project? SHRI B. RAJARAVIVARMA: Though I am satisfied with the answer of the hon. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister. I want to ask two Supplementary MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI Questions. Iwould like to know whether the MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN):(a) to live-stock Development Project is proposed (c). A Statement is laid on the Table of the to be set up in my Constituency, Pollachi. if Sabha so. what are the Programme that are to be implemented in the Centre out of the six STATEMENT Programmes given in the reply. (a) The World Bank has cleared an THE MINISTER OF AGRK;ULRIRE Agricultural Development Projed for Tamil (SHRI BALRAM JAKHAR): This Projed is Nadu, with LidDevelopment as a only for Tamil Nadu. Rajasthan and Kama- component. taka are in the queue and Ithink. by Novem- SEPTEMBER 5,1$91 WAnavws 44 Danish Government in the States d Orlssa. Kerala and Tamil Nadu. At presen!, there is no woposal for develo~nentof caWe h '699. SHRI ANADl CHARAN DM: Will the Alinir of AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE W THE pleased to state: WNLSTRY OF AGRWLTURE (SHRI KC. LENKA): This is a comprehenshre Projed (a) the total number of employees in the hpkmented by the Tamil Nadu Govern- National Seeds Corporation, New Delhi in menZ throughout the State. This Livestodc various categories as on Apt ill, 1989 and on Devebpment Projed is a part d that com- July 31.1 991 and the number of Scheduled prehensive Scheme and the Civastodr De- Castes and Scheduled Tribsaqtthem; v&pment Scheme indudes the over-al development d the cattla and of all live- @)thetotal baddog of reserved post for sbdc So. there is no separate Programme SC and ST as on A@ 1,1989 and on Jub mthisSchernekrp0ultr)cdsvebpmentand 31,1991; iwsheep~andthequesthd Wngseparatdy d programmes in this (c) the steps taken to fill up these back- Rojed does not arb. bg ws, 4% --#-.-DRASMBAWWamtheatheron- % We (Q whotherthece posts weredereserved Ooing Pto)eds m respect c#&dtle devebp during this period and filled by general can- ment Mi govemmm d West BeclgaM dies;and SHRi KC. LENKA: A present, there is (e) if so, the reasons therefon no Projed irnplemerded by West Bengal Government fidby Wodd Bank for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dedqment d the -. But there are MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI three Projeds in the anrnby as a whde MUUAPALLY RAMA CHANDRAN): (a) to awroerrring thedevebpmerdof cartlewhich (e). A Statement is bid on the table of the are astisted by Swiss GovaMlent and the sabha. STATEMENT b (a) The requiredinformation is indicatedbelow :- Q Gmrg As on 1.4.1989 As on 31.7.1991 h f Total Staff SC ST Total Staff SC ST a A 182 234 2 167 2 1 3 4 (b) The requiredinformation is Indicatedbelow : - S W Gmq Back-lag as on Back-log as on 1.4.1989 31.7.91 1.4.1989 31.7.1991 1 (Dlroct Recruitments) (Promotion) - SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Oral Answers 48 (c)It may be mentioned that the Corpo- 31.7.91 whereas 112 should have been ration has been consistently incurring losses recruited. May Iknow the reasons for this in its operation for the hsl few years. The backlog? accumulatedbsses of the Corporation as on 31-3.1990 were Rs. 1555.52 lakhs. The THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE estimled losses of the Corporation for the (SHRI BALRAMJAKHAR): Mr. Speaker. Sir year 1990-91 are Rs.410-90 lakhs. One of I am giving the details of this to the hon. the major fadors responsible for the losses Member. The National Seeds Corporation is excessive staff strength of the Corpora- has been running in bss. tbn. To improve the wwking of the Corpora- tion. Mls. Tata Consultancy Services had [English] been appointed by the Government of India as the Operating Consukants for making dinoslic study of the f inancial and admio- This has already beer! losing for the last shative strudure of the National Seeds few years. We do not do any new recruit- Corporation under the National Seeds Proj- ments. There are exactly nine vacancies ect Phase-Ill (NSP- Ill), a World Bank as- and out of those. four are of Scheduled sisted pm@l hunched by the Government Castes and Scheduled Tribes. If we recruit d Miaat a total cost of Rs. 236.01 crores in more. Iwill make sure that everylhing will be Mafch. 1990. As per provisions of the NSP- done according to what has been laid down. III, which is meant to strengthen the NSG and to make it viabk in the long run. the Corporation is required to earn a mlnrmum @it of 12.5% per annum with reference to the equity invested by the Government of India. Acaxdingly, the Consuit ants had been SHRI ANADl CHARAN DAS: I can requested to assess the need based stafi understand that the figure has gone down requirement of NSC. On the bass of the due to the bss being suffered by the corpa- Consultants' recommendations filling up of ration. But why is there a reduction in the the backing of the posts resenred for SC/ST percentage of the represer~tationof the will be undertaken with reference to the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled revised staff strength. Tribes? (d) No. Sir. [English] (e) Question does not arise. SHRI BALMJAKHAR: No new re- cruitment has taken place after that. What has been hid down, we will make sure thal it is implemented. When it starts again, we ma4 new appointments and lhal wiU &na SHM ANAOl CHARAN DAS: Mr. aamrding to the rules hid down and pre- Spodcer. Sir, the idormaion given to this scribed. House in this regard shows thal onty 34 Akvari candidates wore recruited as on 49 Written Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SW) Written Answers 50 WRlllEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (d) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM Extraction of Gold From Cyanide SlNGH YADAV) :(a) and @). No, Sir. Bharal vimiim Gold Mines Limited has been able to recover only 92 Kgs. of gold by treating 262,425 '691 .~IRIC.P.MJUIAEIEIEA: tonnes d tailings during the year 1987-88to Willthe Mints~erofMlNESbe pleased to state: 1990-91. This worlcs out to an extraction of 0.0000351 %ofgddfromthetreatedt*. (a) whether a good percentage of gold can beextractedfrom cyanidewastesdumped (c) Bharat Gold Mines Limited is already around the mines. extracting gold from tailings (referred as cyanide waste) by heap leaching process on (b) il so, the details thereof; semi commercial basis. (d)Theheapleachingplantforextraction (c) whether the Government propose to of gold from tailings was started by Bhamt find out the feasibility of extracting gold from Gold Mines Limited in 1986. The production such wastes: and of gold year-wise is given bebw : (in kgs.) (SHRI BALRAM JAKHAR): (a) to (c). The AgriculturalUniversities and Agro-Ecos~unic '696. $,H,REEHWESHWAR BHAGAT Research Centres collect data on cost of : WH the Minister of AGR%%LTURE be cuttivatiorVprodudion of crops under the pleased to state: Comprehensive Scheme for Studying the Cost of Culivationd Principal Crops in India. (a) whether the recommendations The Commission for Agricultural Costs and made by Ihe Agricuhural Unrversities wirn Pnces mnsiders, inter-a14 the updatedoost regard to the cost prices of the agriiultural of production data while recommending commodities are kept in view while fixing supporl priifor the season concerned. the support prbsd these mmmodlies; ,,3 5 Visit of Forebn Secretary of Pdtistrn (b) if so, the details thereof; and - (c) if not, whether the Government '698. SHRlMATl DM. KUMARI BAND- propose toconsider the recommendations HARl : WdI the ~inx of the Agrblturd Universities in future? lxlR!%be pleased to state: 51 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 Written Answers 52 (a)whethertheFOREIGNSECRETARY [ Tra,!s/ationl of PAKISTAN visited India recently; Electronic Telaphone Exchanges In All (b) if so, the objectives of this visit; ana' Districts and Tehsil Headquarters of U.P. (c) the outcome ot his talks with tha *700. DR. LAL BAHADUR RAWAL: Will Indian leaders on various bilateral issues? the Minsterof· COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether the Government have any EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a).Yes, Sir. plan to set up electronic exchanges in all the Districts and Tehsil Headquarters of Uttar (b) and (c).He conveyed the message Pradesh; and from the Prime Minister of Pakistan Minister that the Government of Pakistan was sin- (b) if so, the Districts and Tahsil head- quarters n Uttar Pradesh where such ex- cerely interested in resolving all bilateral changes are likely to be provided ? problems through serious and constructive dialogue for normalising relations between THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the two countries. This was reiterated in his MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI meetings with the. EXTERNAL AFFAIRS RAJESH PILOT): (a). Electronic exchanges are planned to be provided in replacement of Minister and the Defence Minister. The Special life expired electro-mechanica! exchanges. Envoy was informed that the Government of These exchanges are also planned where India had consistently worked for the estab- manual exchanges are workinq. In addition lishment of tension-free and good·neigh- where demand justifies a new exchange, by bourly relations between India and Pakistan and large it is proposed to be electronic type. on the basis of the Simla Agreement. We (b).The list of Districts and Tehsils in believe this to be in the interest of the peoples Uttar Pradesh where such exchanges are of our two countries and of peace and stability planned to be provid ed during 1991-92 are as in the region. per Annex. STATEMENT It is planned to set up electronic exchanges in following Districts and Tehsils headquarter of Uttar Pradesh during 1991-92. SI.No. Nameof District Name of Tehsil HOlDistrict HO where electronic exchange is planned 1. Agra 1. Kiroli 2. Kheragarh 3. Etmadpur 4. Bah 5. Fatehabad 6. Agra (expansion) (District HQ) 2. AlIahabad 1. Sirathu 2 ManjMpur 3. Kardrana 1. Khair 1. saeari 1. AhKwa (Diict HQ) 1. Babm 1. Fari4pur 2Aonla 3. Baheri 1- Mwnpw 2. Nagi 1. Bisadl 2. Gunore 3. Budaun(DisbidHQ) 4. Dataganj 1. An#pshahar 1. Josh'lMadh 2 MMath 1. Akbharpur 2 Tanda 1. Kaimganj 2. Kannauj 3. Famrl 1. Krrtdwar 1. Haw 1. conde(DiuiaHQ) 2 Tarabaarri 1. Hamirpw@istridHo) 2 Maudhana 1. Hardoi(DislrictHQ) 2sahihd 55 WenAnswers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 56 Sl.h Name of Distrid Name of Tehsil HQ/Distrid HO where electronic exchange is planned --- 3. Bilgram Jaunpur 1. Shahganj Jhansi 1. Jhansi (District HQ) Lucknow 1. Lucknow Mahanagar (District HQ) Mainpuri 1. Mainpuri (District HQ) Mathura 1. Mathura (District HQ) Meerut 1. Sardhana 2. Mawana 3. Meerut (District HQ) Sonbhadra 1. Dundhi Moradabad 1. Moradabad (District HQ) Muzzaffarnagar 1. Muzzaffar nagar (District HQ) Rampur 4. Rampur (District HQ) 2. Bilaspur 3. Milak Saharanpur 1. Deoband 2. Misrikh Sitapur 1. Bishwa Unnao 1. Purwai Uttarkashi 1. Rajgarhi 2. Dunda 3. Puraula 4. Bhatwari Varanasi 1. Varanasi (District HQ) 2. Chakia Haridwar 1. Haridwar (District HQ) Kan~ur 1. Kanw (District HQ) 14,1913 (SAM) Wrilten Answers 58 * 3 3 ElecMc Wire Fenclng on Indo-Bangla submission. appraisal and clearance of irri- Border gationprojects have beenissu din Februaty. 1990. SHRI KASHl Will the '701. *<--. --. RAM RANA: Ministerof?hme Affairs be pleased to state: @) A Statement giving the details of the revised guidelines is attached. (a) whether the Government propose to ~ndertakeelectric wire fencing on the Indo- (c) The new procedure has already be- Bangladesh border; come applicable to the new projects pro- posed by the States. (b) if so, the details thereof; and STATEMENT (c) if not. the reasons therefor ? Details of the revised guidelines for submission, appraisal and clearance of THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS irrigation projects. (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN): (a) and (b).No,Sir. In these guidelines major part of the (c).Requirements are directed by vari- technical examination of major projects has ous security considerations. been entrusted to the State Gsvernments themseives having Ce~tralDesign Orcpni- Ewbhl 53 sations. In such cases scrytiny of projects in ihe central Water Corfimission shall be New procedure for expeditious clear- compleied with in 7 months, provided inter- ance of irrigation projects Stateaspects have beenresolvedand hydro- - bgic and economic viability of the projects is '702. SHRI GOPl NATH GAJAPA- acceptable. In States where such organisa- - . L THI: tions are not existing. the project reports shall SHR~M.V. CHAN- be examined by the Central Water Comrnis- --~F~ASHEKARAMUR- sion akscrutiny will be completed with in 14 * %Y: months. Incaseof medium projectstheseare % --r to be examined in the Regional offices of the Will the Minister of Water Resources be Central Water Commission and not at the pleased to state: Central Water Commission's Headquarters in Delhi, and then referred to the advisory (a) whether the Government propose to Committee for clearance with in a period of evolve a new procedure to avoid inordinate 7 months. delay in according clearance to irrigation projects; In addition, she state Governments are required to obtain the clearance from the @) if so. the details therkt, and Ministry of Environment and forests from the environment and/ or forest angle. (c) the time by which the said procedure is likely to be implemented ? After completion of the appraisal the projectsare required to be considered by the THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- Advisory Committee for recommendation to SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN the Planning Commission for investment SHUKLA): (a).The revised guidelines for clearance. 59 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 WliPtenAnswem 60 ' 703. SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN: Recommendation of the Sub-Commit- s$~R~~%GUC~E~ACKARk - tee of the Committea of Parliament on c-- official language Will the Minister of STEELbepleasedto -- --L--* - state: '704. SHRI MOT1 LAL SINGtl;__ SHG--KARLA-MISHRA--.-- - -- (a) whether there is any proposal under MADHUKA~~--- - consideration of the Union Government to - --. - privatise the Viag Steel Plant; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (a) the action taken to implement the (c) whether it is falling behind the target recommendations made by the Sub-Com- o: annual steel production due to lacks of mittee of the Committee of Parliament on funds; Official Language after conducting inspec- tion of various Departments; (d) if so, the details thereof; @)thereasons for not implementingthe (e) whetherthe Union Government have recommendations made by the first such formulated any plwfor raising funds through Sub-Committee after conducting in@n variius sources to increase its production of the thenlrrigationand Power Ministry and capacity; and Water Commission; and (f) if so, the details thereof ? (c) the action taken or proposed to be taken in this regard ? MEMINISTER OF STATE OF THE ' THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN): (a) to (c).Sectiin 4 of MOHAN DEV): (a). No, Sir. the Official Languages Ad. 1963providesfor the review of the progress made in the use of (b). Does not arise. Hindi for the official purposesof the Union by aComrnitteeon0ffii:ial Languageoonsisting (c) and (d). Most of the units of Stage4 of thirty Members of Parliament. The prace- of the Project were commissioned, sequen- dure followed by the Comrnilteefordischarg- tially, during 1990-91 and these arestillin the ing its functions comprises (i) inspection of process of stabilisation. This was the main Ministries/ Departments and their attachedl reason for a slight shortfall in achieving the subordinate offices. puMisector undertak- annual production target in 1990-91. The ings etc. of the Central Government; (ii) position is expected to improve in 1991-92. circulating aquestionnaireforobtain~infor- mationhriewslsuggestionsfrom offices in (i) (e) and (1). Various means of raising above;and(iii)oWainingtheopinionofeminent resources to complete the project are under persons working in different fmkk through consideration of the Government. which in- oral evidence. The Committee has consti- dude, budgetary support, extra budgetary tutedthreesub-commilteesfromamongst b resources and also funds from the capital members for undertaking inspections. The market. Parliamentary Committee submii its Fie- pats lo lhe President with its reawnmenda- @) if so. the details there and tiorar after taking into amount, interalka, the inspedion reports d its' S-mitte (c)thesteps takewpmpodtobe taken These Reports are placed betore the two by theGavernment to resume normalsupply Housesd Parliament and are alsosent tothe of milk in Delhi ? State Governments. The recommendations d the SuM'lommittees are made to the THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE ParliamentaryCommitteeandwhichsuknits ( SHRI BALRAM JAKHAR): (a) to (c). There rea!inmend&ns to the President in its was no stoppage of milk suppty by Milk RePo- Producers' Cooperative Societies from neighbowing States to Delhi MiScheme The Parliamentary Committee on WC and Mother Diary. During the period April- ciai language has. so far. submitted its August. 1991. the quantity of mlksuppliito reportsinfourpartstothePresidentandthese D.M.S. and Mother Diarywas lessthandrring have also been hid before the two Housed the same period last year. However, the level Parliment The fourth part of its report per- of the total sale of milk by Mother Diary and tains tothe progress made in the use of Hindi D.M.S. in Delhi was maintained. intheCentralGwemmentofficesandUnder- ?/a- takings. Thii part also indudes a statement J Expansion of Hindustan Copper on the positin regardingthe progress in the Lhlted, Khetr~.~- use of Hindi in the Ministry of Water Re- CC^'--' ms.Central Water Commission and '706.SHRIMATIVASUNDHARARAJE: Department of Power. While the directionsof W~Hthe ~inT=fa*&h%b piiiiatos- the President on Part Iand II of the Commit- tee'sreport, afterconsideringtheviewsofthe (a) whether the Union Government State Governments thereon. have been is- propose to expand the Hindustan Copper sued. Views of the State Governmmts on Limited at Khetri; Part Illof the Report have been obtained and the directions of the President thereon are @) if so, the expendiiure likely to be being issued. Views of the State Govern- incurred thereon; ments on Part IV of the Report are being (c) whether any new copper deposits have also been discovered in Rajasthan; (d) if so, the details thereof; Shortage of Milk in Delhi 7 (e) whether any planhaget has been '705. SHRI V. _SREENIVASA fbced for production of copper in future ;and '--FRASAD: -- Z (f) if so, the details thereof ? VW the Minister of AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pleased 00 state: MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM , SlNGH YADAV): (a). Hindustan Copper (a) whether the stoppage d milk supply Limited (HCU have proposed the expansion bytheMik~roducers'cooperativeSocieties of the smelting and refining capacity at its in neighbouring States to D.M.S. Mother Khetri Copper Complex (KCC). Rajasthan Diary has resuhed inshortageof mik inDelhi; from the present level of 31,000 tonne per 63 WHkmAnswers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 mAnowwr 64 8nntun b 45,000 tonne5 per annum. mar on the issue of Myanmar teniby being used by insurgents operating in the North @).The ostim;ded cost d the projed as Eastern States; and d navv is Rs. 50 aores. @) if so, the owmethereto 3 (c).No,Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d). Does not arise. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI EDUARDo FALEIRO): (a) and @).Thiiksue (e).and (9 HCL plans to execute the has been discussed with the Governmentot l(hetri Smelter Expansion Scheme tenta- Myanmar from time to time. They have as- tively by 1995. sured us that it is not their pdky to support insurgent groups against a neighbouring country and indicated their willingness to cooperate in monitoring insurgent activily. On this basii, border commanders d the two countries maintain contads with each ather. "4 ' MonalFksearch Centres for Fruits in '707. SHRISANTOSH KUMARGANG- Maharashtm WAR: Will?~~~e~~~~- to state: '709. SHRI ANNA JOSH!: Will the (a) whether any research has been Minister af A-&& to conducted by the lndii Council of Agricul- state: tural Research on information available in Vedas regarding agricukural pradices fob (a) whether the Government propose to bwed in those days; and set up National Research Centres for ba- nana, orange, mango and grape at Jalgaon, @) if so, the outcome thereof ? Nagpur, Ratnagiri and Pune respedively in Maharashtra; and THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI BALRAM JAKHAR): (a). No, Sir. @) if so, the details thereof ? @) The questbn does not arise. THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI BALRAM JAKHAR): (a) 8 @). Si, the Taw With Myanmar Regarding hsur- lndianCoundlofAgrhttural Researchcentre gent Acthities on Ci(whii indudes orange) at Nagpur. There is no proposal to set up National Research Centres for banana and mango in ' 708.SHRI mGEFERNANMS: However, there is apfqmdto. Wilthe ~inisterof EXTERNA~LAn! Maharashtra pleasedbstafe: estabkh a National ksarch Centre for Grapesforwhich MaharashtraandtW0~- (a) whether the Gavemmed had inhi- Stateshavebeenaskdtoofierazrslrhb ated any taks with the Government of Myan- site. @) if so, the facts in this regard and reaction of the Government thereto; and bC3bebation of Assets by persons holdhrg publk posts (c) the action taken by the Government inthe matterakmg-withtheoutcomethered? '710. SHRI KASHl RAM RANA. Will the Mi&m &%&ME AFFAIRS be &sed to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MlNlSTRYOFPARLlAMEKTARYAFFAlRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a). Yes, Sir. (a) whether theGovemrnent propose to It obligatoty for the persons holding @) and (c). Governmentdo not have any publicpostsandthemembersoftheirfamilies speck information about the number of b declare their assets annually; persons massed abng the line of control, referred to in the news item. However. @) if so, the details thereof; and Govemment keep a omstant watch on the situatii akng the border and take appropri- (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? ateactionfromthetimetotirnebmakrtainfuli defence preparedness. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN) :(a) and @). There is a aode d Condud for Ministers under which wery Miniier has to make a dedaration of Bauxite Deposits In Bib .y1II his assets and Wiesby 31st March annu- a&. So far as the Senior Offirs of the 5M8. SHRI LALIT ORAON: WiSl the CentralGovemment areconcerned,they are Minister of MXS-~G "si3e: Governed by Central Civil Services (Con- dud) Rules, 1964, and instructions issued (a) whether there are huge deposits of thereunder. Similar provisions also exist in bauxite in Gumh and Lohardaga distrids of the respeche service rules and Manuals Bihar; whi govern the service conditions of all lndia Services, State Govemment Employ- @)if so, whether the Union Government ees. and Judicial Services. propose to set up bauxite based industriesin thosediitricts to avoid expenditureontrans- (c). Question does not arise. portation; and (c) if so, the details thered ? News Items Captioned 'Unres Massed THE MINISTER OF STATE Of THE on Indo-Pak Borderm MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM SlNGH YADAV): (a). There are no huge 5737. SHRI SHRAVAN KUMAR depositsof Bauxite in Gumh and Lohardaga PAWWi We ~inisterof HO-s districts of Bihar. The total estimated re- --be pleased b state: serves are 4.47 million tonnes and 14.1 million tonnes respectively. (a) whether attentionof the Government has been drawn to the news-item captioned @). No, Sir. 'Uhmassed on Indo-PA Border' appear- hgin theTwnesof Indimdated May 18,1991; (c). Does not arise. 67 WrltenAnsrvlers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Writaankrsmns 68 aoceptaMe to the Centrd Water Commis- sion. {fi y&Ah--4 '3 Local S.T.D. Facllfty h Kerals C 5739.DR. JAYANTA -- RONGPI: Will the Wrsterof WATER RESOURCESbe pleased 5740. SHRI KODlKKUNNlLSURESH: lo state: Will the Minister O~-NS be pleased to state: (a) the number of major and medium irrigation projects cleared by the Union (a) whether the Government have any Government during last three years. State- proposal to provide bcal STD facility from wise; Kulathupuzha and Kadakkal Exchanges to link Taluk headquarters in Punalur and Kott- @) the details of irrigation projects in arakare respectively in Kerb, and Assam pending with the Union Government for clearance; and @) ifso. the details thereof? (c) the time by whkh those are likely to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE be deared ? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a). No. Sir. THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- SOURCES (SHRI VIDHYACHARAN @). Group Dilling facility is not techni SHUKLA):(a). 8 maprinigation prqjeds,one w#y permissible from Kulathupuzha and ea&fmAndhraPradesh,MadhyaPradesh Kadakkal to their Taluka headquarters Pun- andOrissa.2fromPunjab. and3fromRajast- alur and Kottarakara han were given investment dearance-In addition. 2 medium projects one each from S.T.D.facility isplannedforKulathrpudra Orissa and Himachal Pradesh have been and Kodakkal exchange by the end of the 8th approved by the Phnning Commission for phn period- YWeSanent Also,techno-economicappraisal of 47majorand25 medium irrigationprojects Qre Linking of District Headquarters by was completed by Central Water Commis- S.T.D. in Haryana sion during the last three years. - (b) and (c). After completion of techno- 5741. ERI_DHAJI PAL SINGH economicappraisal,theAdvisoryCommittee MALIK: Will the Minister of COMMUN"~"CA- consideredonemaprin~adionpro~namely ii6NS be pleased to state: Pagladiya in July, 1990. The Brahmaputra Board has been diiectedto modii the prom (a) whether all diiheadquahers in report by includii hydro power and ground Hatyana have been linked through STD fa- water utiliiionaspects and secure environ- and ment and fares! dearam. In addition. 2 *; medium ifigatiocl projects namely Burisuti @) if not. the time by which they aria likely and Oannalh received in December and b ' be linked? 1 %@ember, 1990 respediveiy were exam- MrrndcommentssenttotheSt;deGov~m- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE mom for awnplianaa. The State Gown- MINNISTCW OF COMMUNEATKNS (SHRI ment are requirdtomodii theprcjed re pa^ RAlESH PILOT): (a). No, Sir. 89 WrinenAnswers BHADRA 14,t913 (SAKA) Writen Answers 70 @)'rtreonlyremainingdistridheadquar- (d) Yes, Sir. ters d Kuruksheha is planned to be linked thrwgh STD by March, 92. (e) As on 30.6.91 there were 334 such post offiies in Maharashtra (1) The policy of the Deptt. is to appoint Opening of Post Offices in Vlllages of as E.D. Agents only those who have an laimiiat~ .alternativesourceof Revenue. Inthesecases teachers wereemployed. If need arises there '5742. SHRI GOVINDRAO NIKAM:Will is noobbctionto recruit others also who may the Minister of COMMUNICATIO~ be have atterndive source of Revenue. pleased to state: STATEMENT (a) the criteria for opening of new post office in the rural area; Norms For Opening of Post Offices: Effective from 1.4.1991. @)thenumberofvillagesinMaharashtra where post office facility is not available; Branch Post Offices (c) the number of villages out of them in which post offices are likely to be opened during the current financial year; 3000 population in a group of villages. (d) whether the management of post ii) Distance: offii has been assigned to teaehers in several villages in Maharashtra; The minimum distance from the nearest existing post office will be 3 Kmts. (e) if so, the number of such post off ices in Maharashtra on June 30,1991 ; and iii) Anticipated income: (f)'the reasons for not making at least part-time recruitments in such post offices? The minimum anticipated revenue will be 33 113 % of the cost. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI i) InHilly, Tribal, Desert and inaccessible WESHPILOT): (a). The norms for opening Rural Areas; of new-posl offiiin rural areas are given in the attached statement. Population: @). There are 28307 villages in Mahar- 500population in an individualvillage or ushra where there are no P& Offices bvt 1000 population in a group of villages. they are sewed by existing nearby past ~STICQS. The distance limit will be the same as % (c). ll is pmpmed to open 1jO Post aboveexceptthat in hilly areas, the minimum Ofbas in the rural areas during the current distance lmit can be relaxedby the Director- ~year,subjedtojustifi. ate. 71 Wrinen Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 W/ittenAnswws 72 iii) Anticipated income: @) if so, the number of incidents d infiltration into out tenitorid waters deteded The minimum anticipated income will be during lastthreeyearsandnumberofpersons 15 % of the cost. apprehended in this regard ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS lnfiltratlon In Andaman And Nicobar AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ishnds MINISTRY OFHOME AFFAIRS (SHR1M.M. JACOB): (a) & (b). Despite surveillancebythe 5743. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: concerned agencies over our territorial wa- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ters around Andaman & Nicobar Islands. pleased to stato: some infitIratior! does take place. (a) whether a large number of foreign ?he information regarding number d infiltrators are frequently entering into our incidents and foreign nationalsapprehended territorialwatersof theAndamacandNicobar in this rqjarclduringlhe!ast three years is as Jslands; and under:- Year No. of incidents detected humber of foregn nationals appmheladed 1 2 3 1990 47 560 I Modernisation and Expansion of (b) Out of the 64 exchanges in Er- Telephone Exchanges in Ernakulam nakulam district 17 have already been -- - Ibistrict of Kerala modernised by electronic exchanges. The --- remaining 47 are proposed to be replaced 5744. ~"E!.P.C:--TH!y& Will the and expanded by elec?ronic exchanges as Minister of COMMUNICATIONSbe pleased and when these become due. to state: Group dialling facility is available for all (a) whether the Government have any the telephone exchanges in Ernakulam dii- plan to expand, modernise, provide STD and trict. STD facility is already available for 30 group dialling fadliiies t;, various te!ephone exchangesof Ernakulamdistrict. Alltheother exchanges in Ernakulam district of Kerala; exchanges are planned to be covered by the and @) if so, the details there of ? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ME 5745. SHRIMA-T~USEELAGOP~@l MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATDNS (SHRI Will the Minister of COMMUNICAT~ONSbe RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes , Sir. pleased to state: (a) wheSher a 'Madel Teleawn Cake' (e) if not. the reasons therefa 3 wasopenedrecentlyat BangabreintheCTO compand in the old buading; THE MINISTER F STATE OF THE MiNISTRYOF PARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS @) whether the said Centre is proposed AND MEMINISTER OF STATE IN THE lo be shied to the new building; MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI UM. JACOB): (a) The number of registered for- (c) if so, the reasons therefor and the eign missionaries in India was 2157 as on expenditure incurred thereon; and 1.1.1990. (d) the new facilities provided to the (b) No statistics is maintained since puMic for speedy disposalof telegramsat the foreigners staying in lndiam long term basis said centre ? are also permitted to go abdfrequently- THE MINISTER F STATE OF THE (c) Disttict-wise informationis not maah- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICAIIONS (SHRI tained. WESHPILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) Yes;there ma provis'~~nstothis effect @) No, Sir. inthe RegistrationofForeignersRules, 1939. (c) Does not arise in view of (b) above. (4) Does not arise. (d) A mmputerisedformatted message terminal, which is linked to Store & Forward Message Switch. has been provided for the New Post Office in Bihar *-" ' speedy disposal of telegrams. **--,..J* m~ 5747. SHRi VUOY KUMAR YADAV: 3 Foreign Missionaries in lndia Wi the M~nisterof COMMUNI- --"* -.. . >.' ---Xi pleased to state: 5746. SHRiSYEDSHAHABUDDIN:Wil! the ~~linister~FitXA~~~~ased(a) whether the conditions of distance to refer to reply gken to UnstanedQuestion and population bropening a new post off ice No. 6693 on April 24.1989 and state: are proposed to be relaed by the Govern- ment so as to provide maximum postal fadi (a) the number of foreign missionariiesin ties; MiasonApril 1.1991; @) if so, the details thered; arid @)thenumberofsuch missharieswho entered Mia during 198491; (c) the number of new post dfiices po- posed to be opened in Biha in the clment (c) the break-up of foteign missionaries fimmcd year and of those opened so far, in Mi as on April 1. 1991 by districts of ciii-wise ? registration and residence; MEMINISTER OF STATE OF THE (d) whether the information about the MlNISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI dated original entry into Wiand the date RAJESH PILOT): (a) and @) There are no dfddeparture is being rnainta6d by the proposds under mi* at present to regisZraEion authorities; and relax diiand population norms for 75 bWimAf?smenr SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WrbnAnsm 76 llDln 1.4.91 which inter-dia provide that the subied to iuPUica60n durinp me cm condibjon of distance can be relaxed in case financial year. The number of post offices d hilty. trbal. desert and inaccessible areas opened SO far district-wise is given in the ~su~re~ationiswarranted~specia~-. dnxlmstances. attached statement STATEMENT No. of Post Officesopened in Bihar durlng the current financial Year Districtwise. (1991-92). Name of the Distrid No. of Brandl Post OKis. Vaishali Saran Patna Bhojpur Buxar Nalanda Ranchi Bhagalpur 9. Nawada 2 12 Palamau 2 Singhbhum Godda : 19. Munger 3 22. Sahana 2 23. Pumea 2 29. East Champara 4 30. West Champara 4 TRY OF H~EAFFAIRS (SHRI M. M. JACOB): (a) The number of persons, indud- ! Sheltering of Militants In J.K ing those who have given shelter to the terrorists in 1988,1989,1990, and upto 30th 5748. S=S&LLcH,ANNDoRA- June. 1991. are 93.299, 4593 and 2653 VERMA: Wflthe minister of HOME AFFAIRS respectively. A number of them have been b;eiSto state: released after preliminary investigation. No person has so far been convicted. (a) the number of persons arrested and convidedfor giving shelter to those involved @) Only a handful of persons are in- in disruptive and secessionist activities inJ & vdvedwiththeterrorists. Stringent measures K during last three years; and oontinue to be *en against terrorists and Wypathlse" @) the details d the measurestaken by 7 0 the Gwemment lo discourage the involvs ment d people with maitants ? THE MNISTER OF STATE OF THE werd-"N"IbA--s-b"r""""eW49.SHRIZ. M. Hk!AND(XE:WUthe MWSTFWOFPARLlAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINSTER OF STATE NTHE MINIS- lo state: 79 WnterrAnswws (a) whether the Government have any prop&d to set up ektctronic telephone ex- changes at Dii,Surgana, Peth, Kalwan, lgatpur and Chandwad in Nasik ditrid of Mahamshtra; and state: @) if so. the details thereof ? (a) the number of persons killed in the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE bomb bfast in Jammu recently; MINISTRY OF COMMUNEATIONS (SHRI WESH PILOT]: (a) Yes. Sir except Sur- @)whe&eranyoompensationhas been gana and Peth. given b the nex! of kkof the victims; @) The details are as under:- (ej whather any person has been ar- rested; (i) Electronic Exchanges at DiMkri, Kahvan. Chandwad and Iganp~nwe pianned duFi~1991 -92. (e) the steps taken to check such occur- (ii) Exiiing telephone exchanges at rents? Surgana and Peth do not qualify for replace- ment by Eledronic Exchanges at present as THE UHtSTER F STATE OF THE per Department Policy. MINWTRYOF PARLLAMENTARYAFFARS \fl ANDMMISTEROFSTATEINMEMINIS- , Viof Deputy Rime Minister of Egypt TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ( SHRI M.M. ~. 9 JACOB): (a) and @) 11 persons were W S50. SHRlI-.--- K. PRADWL,.- WdI the in bomb Masts in Jammu recently. Minister of EkERNALAFFAIRS be pleased &I state: Exgratia compensation of Rs. 1 bWt each has been paid to the next of kin of the (a) whether the Deputy Prime Minster of victims. Egypt visited Mia recently; and (c) and (d) Details are awaited from the @) if so. the outcome of hi taks with Government of J.K Winleaders? THE MINISTER F STATE Of THE MLNlSTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ( SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. @) There was a general exchange of views on bilateral and international issues. 5752 SllR-36lN DEFWIU the The forthcoming eledbn of the secretary- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be $eased to General of the United Nations also fgured in state: the taks. The taks have led to a further strengthening of friendshp between the two (a) whether All BodoStudents Unionand countries, and mutual undersbndi on in- Bodo People Action Committee in Assam ternatiocral issues. have revived the demand for Bodohnd; ad - @) f so, tk readion of the Government @) Linkage of Godavari with Krishna is there lo abngwith the action taken in this already QIW~in the peninsular Rivers Cbmponent of the National =for Water Resowces Develop- mentfmalated bytheGovernmentforinter- ME MINISTER F STATE OF THE basin transfer of water from surplus to water MINISTRYOFPARLLAMENTARYAFFAIRS shorl areas. AND MINISTER OF STATE H THE MHIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB) :(a) The All Bodo Students' Union Fixatbn of permit fee and Non-Fixation and the Bodo P- Action Committee of Parking Charges have been demanding for sometbne a sepa- rate State to be myed out of Assam. 5754. SHRI ARJaSlNGH YADAV: @) The Government of India have ap- Will the ~hister7~0~- pointed a Three-Member Experts' Commit- pleased to state: tee todeterminethe areasof Bodos andother plainstribalsand make reoommendationsas to the autmmy-legislative, Administrative (a) the action taken on the observation FKlancial that can be given to them. of the Comptroller and Auditor General contained in paras 42 and 43 of his report for the year ending 31 March,1990 (No. 3 of 1991) regarding loss of revenue due to inconed fmation of perm%fee and loss of 5753. SHRl DILEEP SlNGH BHURIA: revenue due to non-realisation d parking WIII the minister of-€' ~a4w; be phased to state: (a) whetherapanel of expertswhichmet (b) whether the official involved have at Madras recentiy ,prepared areportfavour- been identified and brought to bok; ing the linking of important riuers a the Southern States to meet the irrigation needs (c) whetherthere is any proposal to carry of those stales and also to tdethe problem olffhundredpercentcheckofthefees&arged of Roods; and on temporary licence and to recover the short charges from the transporters; and @) if so, the details of that report and the reaction of the Union Government thereto ? (d) the steps taken to tone up the func- tioning of the State Transport Authority ard the Directorate of Transport ? THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- SOURCES (SHRI VIDHYACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) Reoontty there has been a THE .MINISTER OF STATE IN THE press report that lrrigation Experts in Tamil MlNlSTRYOFPARLlAMENTARYAFFAIRS Nadu have submitled aTechnimlNote to the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- Statechief Minister, emhghg &(~-aliathe TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. khgeof Godavari with Krishna. However. JACOB): (a) to (d) The information is being noproposalorrequest inthisregardhasbeen colleded and will be laid on the Table of the received from the State Government House. New Post Offices and Telegraph Offices in U.P. 5756. SHRI ~~END~SHAH:WSI the Minister of COMMUNICAT~~-NSbe pleased to state: (a) whether water tanks constructed by (a) whether new Post Offices. Sub-Post Delhi Administration for rearing fish are still Offices. Telegraph Offiswere deciito ewv; be opened in Tehri Garhwal. Uttarkashi Jaunsar. Bawar region of Dehradun Distrids @) if so. the reasons therefor; and of U.P. during 1990-91 and 1991-92; (c)theexpenditureinarrredonconstruc- @) if so. the details thereof; and tion of these water tanks? (c)thedetaikofthosePostOniceswhich ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have standard functioning ? MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE ( SHRI MUUAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) to ME MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) Delhi Admin.rstration have constructed MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI fih seed farms one each at Shahdara, RAJESH PILOT): (a) to (c) The poshion in regard to the number of new post offices Seelampur and Barwala These farms are opened during 1990-91 and proposed to be used for breedingof major crops and also tor opened during 1991-92 subject to depart- rearing of fish seed. The fish seed raised in mental norms in Tehri Garhwal Uttarkashi these farms are stocked in public. panchayat and Jaunsar and Bawar Regionof Dehradun and private tanks. is given as here under:- Branch Post Offices &and, Pod Offices subpost offi Tehri Garhwal 4 Jaunsar-Bawar 5 1 1 Dehradun Di $3 The post offices opened in 1990-91 as Inpmational Conference on Aluminium 'diedabove, have started functioning. In I__LI so far telegraph offices are concerned, m new telegraph offices were opened in these WiUtheMi districts during 1990-91. nor are any pro- posed to be opened during 1991-92. (a) whether the Aluminium AssodaGbn dhdiiand the Indian Instituteof Metals have jointly organised an International Confer- enm on Aluminium recently; Loss incurred by NAFED pr0~9sa- hg u"? @) lso, the details thered; 5758. SHRl RAM PRAKASH.n (c) the decisions taken et the Confer- --ca4w?x ence; and SHRI SMAN KUMAR: t (d) the steps taken by the Government to implement those decisions ? SH~HARMAPREM: _" .-- .*..- __. - - . .a Will the Minister ot AGRICULTURE be THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pleased to state: MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM SINGH YADAV): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) the bsses incurred by NAFED prrrc- essing unit at Lawrence Road, New Degd @) InternationalConferenceon Alumin- during the Last three years; ium (INCAL-91) was held at Bangabre on 31 st July, 1st and 2nd August. 1991. withthe @) the reasons for the mounting bsses; thememAluminiumStrategiesforthe Nineties and and Beyond". Papers in the following seven areas were presented in the Conference. (c) the steps taken by the Government to revitalise this unit ? 1. Alumina and Smelter Technology; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 2. Product and Alloy development; MULLAPPALLYFiAMACHANDFWN):(a)The bsses incurred by NAFED Processing Unit 3. Fabrication; at Lawrence Road. New Delhi during the hst three years are as under- 4. Energy Savings and new options; Losses .. 5. Structure property correlations; Year (Rs. in Iakhs) 6. Aluminium matrix and composite materials; and 7. Surfam Techndogy and aodin. (c) Recommendatins of the Coder- @) The reasons for bsses are mainly enca have not yet been received by the lack of assured supply of raw-material d Government economical price, high multi point taxes like excise duty, sales tax and import duty on tin cans, high cost oC padti material and low (d) Does not arise. 'capacily utilisation. 87 WMdenAnswm SEPTEMBER 5.1991 ~Anslvlers 88 (c) Government d indim has taken the (a) whetherthe, Government -to step to encourage the fnrit and vegetable reimposetheTractor (DistributionandSale) industry by exempting it from excise duty. Control Order-1971, @)whetherthe dealers are charging the .* full cost of the tractor without deducting .- Cruelties in TThar Jail interest aaxued on initial deposits made at 6' 6' the time of registration by the farmers and 5759. SHRl SRIBA-UV PANK%IAHI: they are also not getting the tractor according Will the Msier of HOME AFFAIRKG to turn; pleased to state: (c) if so, the steps taken by the Govern- (a) whether the Gwernment are aware ment in this regard; of the reports of atrocities and auetlies on prison inmates in Xhar Jail. Delhi; and (d)wtretherthereisanyproposaltoissua interest free of bw interest loan to the poor (b) if so. the steps taken by the Govem- farmers for the pur&asa of trador adaka ment to set sight the afiairs of the Tiar Jail? without taking any security; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF WE (e) if so. the details thereof ? MlNBmYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAlRS AND MWlSTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI @ JACOB): (a) and @). No compiaint of atroci- MUWPALLYRAMACMNDRAN):(a]No, ties and auelties on prison inmates in Thar Sir. Jail, has been made to the Government @) and [c). On receipt of the camplaints There was. however. a news item captioned fmrn some consurcers, the tractor manufac- pleato stop 'tortures' in TiarJd appearing turers have been requested to ensure that in HiiustanTimes in its issue of August. 4. their dealers accept full payment towards the 1Wl.Thenmitemrefenedtoawrhpetihn cost of tractor only against delivery. reportedlyfiledin the Supreme Court alleging the pushing intoanoven.ofaprisoner, onJuly (dl No, Sir. 17, by the jail staff. for refusing to be a cook in the Jain men.The Jain authorities have (e)Inviewof reply topart(d),thequestbn reported that the allegation is not coned does not arise. k Accord'ing to them, the convict. while Q :- "'&>. -,-,,,A K&F ,+ . chapatis into an oven, suddenly started '0.b Solldartty day In Kashmlr vomittingand his legfell into the oven thereby sustaining bums. He was provided medical 5761. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: W111 the aid and taken tothe hosp'daland he has since Minister O-P;FFA-~~~ to ' (a) whether the Government are aware @I~~~~~ 'redor of the battledress parades in Kashmir Valley and Sale) Control Order, 1911 onthe SolidaritydayDBandh by the mililtants; ' and 5760. SHRI GABHAJI MANGAJI @) if so,the readion of the Government thefeb? 89 WmenAnsmws BHADRA 14.1913 (SAKA) WriotenAnswis 90 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE band and her brother on 8th August, 1991. MlNISTRYOFPARLlAMENTARYAFFAlRS Three police officials whii indude the then AND MINISTER OF STATE N THE MINIS- SHO, Badarpur, the then in-charge polii TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ( SHRI M. M. post Sarita Vihar and a woman constable JACOB): (a) and (b). As per reports some have been placed under suspension on and termriits indudingJKLF armed supporters departmental proceedings ordered against observed 6th August, 1991 as "Solidarity them. Instructions havebeenreiteratedtothe Darto mark the completion of one year of policeoffiaalforcourteousbehaviourwlhthe detentiom of Yasin Malik, self styled Chief public. The supervisory officers have been Commander of JKLF. They also gave a call enpined upontovisit police stationsregularly for hartal in the Valley. to ensure that there is no abuse of power by the police officials. 2. The law and order situation in the -< q &q-(2. Valley continues to be difficult. The Govem- " Seizure of Secret Documents ment is seized of the problem and has taken administrativemeasurestodeal with it and to 5763. Smr&SI: create conditions for restoratbn of normalcy SHRI VlRENDRA SI~H: r,*.&-.-- en .d- there. SHRI B.L. SHARMA'PFIEM: - -- ss ._-- .- Beatlng of couple by Delhl Police WilltheMinisterof HOMEAFFAIRS - be pleased to state: 5762. SHRI TW NARAYAN SINGH;, -A: -A: (a) whether a number of top secret C---r .- "-t FF _* documents relating to security of airports in Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Delhi were seized on August. 10,1991; , pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof and persons (a) whether acaseof meralesbeating of arrested in this regard; a young couple and throwing of their child on the fkor by the Delhi poliihas come to the (c) the number and details of the cases notice of the Government; of seizure of such secret documents. other contrabands, narcotic drugs, etc. detected/ @) if so, the details thereof and action unearthed during last three months; and taken against guilty porioffiiials; and (d) the adion taken in this regard ? (c) the steps taken by the Government to check recurrence of such incidents in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE future? MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M. M. MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS JACOB) : (a) and @). No. Sir. However a AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- secret document regarding a meeting on TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M. M. airport security was seized on 31.7.91 in JACOB): (a) to (c). Acornphint was made by Delhi. A case has been registered and the Smt. Anshu Saxena. resident of A-204, New' matter is under investigation. No person has Fdmds Cobny that certainpolii officials of so far been arrested. pblic9station~adarpurand police post ~arita Mur had abused and beaten her, her hus- (c) Besides the csfe of seizure of secret 91 mw SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WhAnrwws 92 document as mentioned in reply to parts (a) certain parts of Sikkim and Unbn Tenhyd a @), contraband goods indudii narcotic Andaman 6 Nicobar lslands have been do- worth Ra. 111.80 mores (provisional) dared as restricted areas under the Foreign- were seized by custom authorities through- ers ( ~estrictedAreas) Order, 1963. oul the country in 10248 cases during the perbd from June, 91 to August 91. @) For promotion of tourism develop ment, varbus places have been opened up (d) The persons found involved In for entry and movement of foreign tourists smuggling adlvities aro penalised in depart- from time to time. The Governmenthas been mental adjudication and are prosecuted in gradually relaxing the provisions under the awts of law in suitable cases. They are also above order to facilitate the movement d detailed under the Consetvation of Foreign foreign tour&sts in the interest of tourism Exchange and prevention of Smuggling Act, development In these states. 1974, if consklered necessary. (c) and (d). 01 late, some requests were Enforcement of fonlgners (Restrlod received from the state governmentsRlnion ~rer) -3 Territory Administration. These were exam ined and relaxations were issued, wherwer 5764. SHRI DAllATRAYA BAN------. -- -. -* -+ feasible. keeping in view the overall require DARU: ment of tourism promotionand consideration SRRl-RAMESH mAND 'TOMAR: 5765. SHRI SEANADREES- WAFr?AEo_!@QD??-- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be PROF, UMMAREDDY pbaBal to state: VENKATESWARLU: -" "- - (a) the statos which have been declared W11l the Minister of STEEL be pleasedto ndrkted area under tho foreigners (Re- state: dr#ed Area) Order, 1 (a) whether some units of sponge lron @) whether it has- eSfeded the towist Mia Ud. at Pabncha in Andhra Pradesh Wk in these Stateq have been dosed down; (c) whdher any stW8 adminiiatbnl @)Hso,thereasonsthereforandtheW Qovemmnt has soughi withdrawal d the incurred by the SAIL as a result therefor; and rbovP order; and (c) the steps takehing taken by tho (d) I 80, the react&n ol the Government Government to receive the unit there? in thir regd ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH MINISTWOFPAFILIAMENTARYAFFAIRS MOHAN DEV): (a) and @). One of the two AND MJNISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- rotary kilns of the sponge iron planta of TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. SpqpIron lndii Ud. (SIK) at Pabncha in JACOB): (a) Assam' bghalaya ,Tripura. Andhra Pradesh was cbsed down during May and June, 1991 due to sholtaged good RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes. Sir. qualily coal. The kss d sales revenue to SllL dmk account is estimated at Rs. 198 lakhs. @) 10.000 lines cm-bar exchange is proposed to be replaced by 10,000 lines E (c)Operatbnofthesecondkilnhasbeen 10 B eledronic exchange by 1993-94. ndarted. Qt4 Return of persons of'lndlan orlgln from Fijl q3. &etting up of Alumlnlum Plant at 5768. SHRI YASHWANT RAO PATIL: Ghazlpur Will the ~izsterof HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state the number of persons of 5766. SHRI RAJP4.AJI-I SONKAR lndianorigin in ~ijiwho have returned to lndia SHASTRI: Will the Miniier of MINES &- since 19871 -7 state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Union Government MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS propose to set up an Aluminium plant in AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS Ghazipur district of Uttar Pradesh; and TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): 4873 Fiji nationals have come to @)if so, thedetailsthereof and progress lndia since 1987 till June, 1991. No separate made so far in this regard ? information is maintained in resped of those of Indian origin. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM SNGH YADAV): (a) No, Sir. Telex faclllty In Solapur dlstrlct of Mahamshtn -.IIJII1'- Conversbn of Rajlnder Nagar phone Exchange Into electronk ex- - changa In Patna TlONS be pleased to state: 5767. SHRI RAM SUNDER DAS: Will (a) the places in Solapur District of the Minister of be Maharashtra which are having Telex facility; pleased to state: @) whether the Govemment propose to (a) whether theGovemment proposeto cover all the important places Ike Tehsil Headquarters, Block Headquarters, etc. for providing such facility; and and (c) if so, the details thereof ? @) if so. the ddlsthereof and the time " by which it is likely to be converted into dedronic telephone exchange? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE WESHPILOT): (a) Telex exchange k MNISTRY OF COMMUNICATIOPJS(SHRI available at Solapur C&y. 95 Wdten Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 96 @)and(c).Wheneverthereisaminimum (c)thestepstakentosohretherematning demand for 4 connections, a notional telex cases? exchange is planned. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sno. SHRI MADAN~U~MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- pleased to state: TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. (a) the number of hit and run accidents JACOB): (a) and (b). The number of hit and tookplace in Delhi during the last 12 months, run accidents that took place in Delhi and the month-wise; number of cases in which the guilty persons @) the number of cases In which the wereapprehendedduringthelast12months, guilty persons were apprehended; and month-wise are as under:- (c) To aotve tho mndning ceses, the THE MINISTER Of STATE IN THE blawingstepearebdngtdcen:- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (H MESH PILOT): (a) The total number d (1) Enquiries are being made from leleQhoneexchanges functioning at present different persons in the areas about in Etah district in Uttar Pradesh are 25. the particulars d vehicks involved in the dents, where the number @) Tm, exchanges namety Etah of the vehicle could not be noted at Kasganj are having STD link to those tom, the spat of wuntty which are having STD facilii. (2) The record of S. T. A regarding (c) to (e). As part of network modemb particulars of vehkles are being tion plans of the department, all Ite expbed Wnized/oWained. eledromechanical exchanges will. be re- placed by electronic exchanges progw (3) Eye-witnesses/v&ims are being sively. During 1991-92 Patiali Exchange&to contacted to find dues about of- be wnverted to an Eledronic Exchange. In fending vehb. addhSTD facility is planned tobe provided to all su Wiisional headquarters by March, (4) Noticerr ub 88 U V. Act are being 19%. given to the ownen to produce vehicles. &+, It-I 0 Telephone Exchanges In Kolhapur and 94 Sangll dlstrlcts of Wharashtn i --.- -Tar- TObPhonr- 0-8 In mh Dl8trld .Y of U.P. 5772. SHRl UDAYSINQRAO GAIKWAD: will Gi-tter ~-COMMUN~- -& pleased to state: 5771. WRISURESHANANDmwh Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (a)thedetailsdthetelephoneexchanger pbaad to date: functioning in Kolhapur and Sangli Distrida of Maharashtra as on July 1,1991 ; (a) the total number of telephone ex- changes in Etah district of Uttar Pradesh; @)thedetailsdthetelephoneexch~ of the above distrids which have been oon- @) the pkices in the crwntty for which vetted into electronic exchanges rn ffar; and S.T.D. linkisprwided fromtheseexchanges; (c)thedetailsofthetelephonee~ (c) whether the Government propose to which are proposed to be converted into convert these exchanges into electronic ex- electronic exchanges by the end of 1991 -92 chaw=; . or 1992-93 ? (d) W so, the details thereof, and ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHR1. (a) thesbp~bdngtaken by theGowm- RAJESHPILOT):(a)Thedetailsofte~ ~moderrJletheam~&atbnsystem exchmgesfunctMnginKothapurandSang0 in Et8h dbW adto pravlde S.T.D. fadltty dW&8ason1,7.91 mgiveninthecttrdwd avo@? rtrrbmrnt4 1 Chandgad Ajara Shirol RadhMgari Shahuwadl Kagal Kanreer Panhda Katveor I WhhrgW wanBrvl Shkd Bhudugad Kuwu -sow 103 WRtenAnswovr SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WnirtonAnsmors 104 SL No. Name of exchange Tehsil I 2 3 Janiowada Kagal Jatkangale Hathangale Here Chandgad Herle Kanreer Hupari Jatkangale Jatkangale Ispurli Karveer Jaysingpur Shirol Kadgaon Bhudargad Kagal Kasal Kale Panhala Kapashi Kagal Karve Chandwad Kasaga Tarle Radhanag ari Naulage Gadhinglaj Kerli Kohlapur . Karveer Kotoli Panhala Kowad Chandgad Kudhii Karveer Kumbhoji Hatkangale Shiil Kasal SL No. Name of exchange Tehsil Kahagaon Gadhinglaj Shahuwadi Mungurwadi Gadhinglaj Murgud Nandani Shirol Gadhinglaj Gadhinghj Panhala Panhala Pimpalgaon Bhudargad Radhanagari Radhanagari Rukadi Hatkangale Sadolikhalsa Karveer Salwan Gagan Bava Sangavada Karveer Sarudkhwhi Shahuwadi Sarwade Radhanagari Shahungar Karveer . Shinoli Chandgad Shirohone Shirol Shirol Shirol Shiroli MatkanElale Talarinagar chsndgad SLMa Name ofexchange Tehd 71. Waranagar SLk Name of exchange Tehsil Walva Khanpur Miraj Tasgaon Miraj Walva Atpadl Wahrr Tasgaon walva Jath Mifa/ Shirah Tas~aocr Sl No. Name of exchange Tehdl Dafalpur Jath Deshing K Mahankal Dalgaon K. ah& Diihanchi AWi Erandoli ~iraj Goilkhindi Walva lslampu r Walva Jadar Babalad Jalh Jarandi Tasgeon Jath Jath Kabebagh Khatpur Kasbe D'iraj Mid Kabebaoh wahm Kavalapur Miraj Kavatke Mahakal K. Mahakal Kavthe Piran Miraj Khampur Khampur Khahundi Atpadl Kriamaharn Tasgm Kokrud Bhirala Madoyal Jath Kahuli Khanpur Mab-n Mid Manerajuri Taagaon Mambale Shkala - T- 111 , WrlttenAnsvllwrr SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Wdten Answers 112 Name of exchange Kasuchiwadi Walva Kisal Miraj Miraj Miraj Magaj K. Kahmkcl Nagthanc Tasgaon Nanore Miraj Pare Ramapur Ramapur Khanapur Ranjani K. Mahankal Redherad haran Walva Sajaon Shirala Salagare Miraj Sankrjmidc Miraj Sahgt Savlaj Tasgaon Shegaon Jath Sankh Jath Shirala Shirala Shirashi Shirala Shudhon .K. Mattank. Shivani Khanapur Soni Mi4 Taxari Tasgaon Tanduhrvadi Walva Tambave walve Tasgaon Tasgaon 113 W&Ans- BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Wrilten Answers 114 Sl No. Nams of exchange Tehsil - - Tondoli Khanapur Tung Miraj Ukadi Jath Wajegaon Khanapur Visapur Tasgaon Via Khanapur Watfale Tasgaon Walva Wahm Wangi Tasgaon Warnawadi Shirala Yelavi Tasgaon STATEMENT-II Maharastra TelecomCircle Ust of electronk exchanges installed In Sangll dlstrict up to 1.7.91 SL No. Name of exchange Tehsil 1. Kalgack Miraj , 2. Walva Walva 3. Kasbe Digraj Miraj 4. Kasegaon Walva Miraj 6. Maherajuri Tasgaon Tasgaon Kahuli Khanapur Soni Miraj 116 WHt~IAnsmia SEPTEMBER S, 1091 mk#lmr 116 SL No. Name of exd,ange Tehd Mirat Walva Maharastra Telecom Clrcb btof electronk exchange Installed In Kolhapur district up to 1.7.91 SL No. Name of exchange Tehsil 1; Nandani Shikul 2. Chandgad Chandgad 3. Karve Chandgad Hatkangale Hatkangale- Hesari Gadhinglaj, Panhala Panhala 7. Rukadi Hatkangale 8. Shirol Shlrol 9. Warange Padali Karveer 10. Herle Karveer 11 Kumbhoji Hatkangale Total: STATMENT-UI Mahanstm Telecorn Clrcb Ud of eledronk exchange proposed In SangH district by the end of Ilbrch-92 Name of exchange Tehsil SL No. Nome d exchange Tehsil Ankalhob Tasgaon Bhavaninagar Waba Savlaj Tasgaon Arae Miraj Rasbe Diraj Miraj Khyang Hahakl Hamannhil Kadegaon Khanapur Bahe Borgaon Walva Yelavi Tasgaon Jath Jath Kasegaon Wahm Aiavade (KH) Walva Khanapur Khanapur Tasgaon Tasgaon Shirala Shirala Kavthe Piran Miraj Kirbskawadi Tasgaon Ashta Walva Atpadl wi Marnavati Shirala Mhassal Miraj Kavlapur Miraj VaJegaon Khanapur Kharsundi Atpadi Banbavade Tasgaon Nasuchknadi wahra 119 Wrinen Ansues SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 120 Sl No. Name of exchange Tehsil .l 2 3 Shirala 29. Tondoli Khanapur Ma harastra Telecom Circle Ua of Electronk exchange proposed in Kolhapur Dlstrlct by the end of March- 1992 SI. No. Name of exchange Tehsil Ajara Ajara Gadhing laj Gadhinglaj Kale Fahhala Murgud Kagal Kurundkad Shirol Waranahagar Pahhala Kapashi Kagal Kwal Kagal Gargoti Bhudargad Sadolikhalasa Kaweer Shirol Shirol Hupari Hatkangale Gokulshirgaon ~aweer Vadgaon Hatkangale Radhanagari Radhanagari- Shahunagar Kaweer Kuditre Kanreer 121 WriOtenAmms BHADRA 14,1013 (SAKA) WibnAnowem 122 SL No. Name of exchange Tehsil 10. Bhvyewadi Kaweer Dhamod Radhanagari Ganesh Wadi Shirol 22. Sangavade Kaweer 23. Kadgaon Bhudargad Exchanges proposed to be converted into Electronic during 02-03. Kolhapur District SI. No. Name Lines TYP 1. Shiroli RLU 2. Gokulshingaon RLU 3. Kolhapur E-10-B-BM 4. Gand hinagar R1.U 5. Murgud PAM 6. Gadhinlaj C-DOT SBM 7. Hupari -DO- 8. Kagai ILT 51 2 9. Kurundwad -DO- Sangali District --- - C-DOT SBM 1OOOL 2. Shegaon ILT 512 384 3. Small eledronic exchanges of 128 P and MILT at about to 10 places. Oponlng of New Port Office under 100 Electronic Tsonoexchanges In Day's programme- drug dlstrlct of U-dhya Pradesh -* - 1-*.. , - 5773.SHRISATYAPALSINGH YADAV;, Will the ~in'T~c"A?fiCbe 5774. SHRl--.-*- CHANDULAL .. -CHAN- pleased to state: DRAKAR: --. . (a) whetherthe department of posts had - .- -. *C formulated a 100 day's programme to im- WilltheMinisterofCOMMUNICATIONS prove postal facility; and be pleased to state: (b) if so, the number of posts offices (a) whether the Government propose to proposed to be opened under the said Pro- install electronic telephone exchanges in gramme and the progress made so far inthis Durg District of Madhya Pradesh; regard? @) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (c) the time by which these are likely to RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. be installed ? @) The 100 days' programme formu- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lated in the month of April, 1991 did not MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI ortvisage opening of post offiisand, there- RAJESH.PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir. kre, the question of indicating the progress made does not arise. (b) and (c). The details are as undec- S1 No. skion. Name of Type of Electronic exchange periodplanned Bold 512 P ILT 1991 -92 Durg 3K El0 B(Main) 1993-94 Bhillai 2K E 10 B(RLU) - do- * 128 p GDOT RAX) 1991-92 A Bengal has submitted any proposal to the Union Government for the declaratbn of the TeestaBarrageProject asa National Project; 5775. SHRl SATYAGOPAL -""+--a<- and MISHRA;, SHRTBASUDEB ACHARIA: (b) if so, the details thereof and the ------x*----".," , - reaction of the Union Government thereto? Will the Minister of WATER RE- SOURCES bo~tostate: THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- (a) whether the Oovmment of West SOURCES (SHRI VIDHYACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and @). No such proposal has (c) The total estimated cost for which been received from the StleGovenment. A sanction has since been issued is Ra. request was, however, waived from the 15,50,540/- and amount utilised till date ia Gwemmentof West Bengalforfinancingthe 1,99,356/- TeestaBarrage Projectona50'50basis. The 1' f &- request was not found accepSaMe by the Over payment of foreignbllowanw to Planning Commission. offlcials of lndlan embas8y In Washing- ton 5777. SHRI BH. VIJAYAKUMAR 5776. SHRI ARJUN CHARAN SETHI: wU:Will thii- Will the Minister of COM"M-NEme pleased to state: pleased to state: (a) whether any over-payment of For- (a) whether the Banta Sub-Post Office eign Allowance was made to the officials of building in the District Balasore, Orissa has the Indian Embassy .Washington and Con-. since been under construction since 1983- sulates Geheral at New York and San Fran- 84, cisco; @) if so, the reasons for the delay in (b) if so, the details thereof and the completion of its construction; and reasons therefor; and (c) the amount sanctioned and amount (c) the steps taken by the Government utilised till date ? in this regard ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI RAlESH PILOT): (a) The Banta sub Post EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. Thore Mice building in the district of Balasore in was some over-payment of foreign allow- Orissa State has been under construction ancetotheofficialsinMissionsatWashington since 1987-88. ,SanFranuscoandNewYorkwhilediskrrsing in 1989. @) There was some dispute regarding the demarcation d the land, which has been settled. The construction work will restart (b) The over-payment resulted from soon afterthepossession ismadeoverasper wrong calculationsatthe timeof the payment thotevised demarcation. of salariesduring1989.Detailsareasfolbm: Mission No. of Offi Total Amount of Ever-Payment New York 14 2.85.575.91 127 ~Ans~SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Wdtenhswets 128 (c) When the matter came to the notice fertilimrs to the small and marginal farmers through Audit, it was immediately rectified at prices notified prior to 25th July, 1991. and recoveries ordered from the officers ,rC aoncerned. The recoveries are in progress. \ '. Crop insurance Scheme $7 Dual prlclng pokyon fertlllzerr I 5779. SHRI CHETAN P. ---,_S. 5778. SHRI SHARAD DIGHE: Will the -rnAUHAN: Minister of ~GE~~;uL~REbe pleased to SHRI DA*BAN- - state: DARU: DR. OL KANAWIA: (a) whether the State Government are SHRI~HESHKANODIA: not implementing a dual priang policy ,on .. -- . --- . fertiliers which envisages a thirty per cent Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be price increasefor big farmer sand pre-budget pleased to state: prices for small and marginal farmers; and (a) the estimated value of crops dam- @) if so, the manner in which Govern- aged by floods, drought and other natural ment propose to implement the dual pricing calamities during 1990-1991 ; and policy on fertilizers ? @) the compensation paid under Cam- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE prehensive Crop Insurance Scheme during MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 1988-89 and 1989-90, State-wise? MUUAPPALLYRAMACHANDRAN):(a) and @). The State Government have generally THE 'MINISTER OF STATE IN THE expressed, administrative ditficglies in im- MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI plementingthedualpricing scheme; Someof MULLAPPALLYRAMACHANDRAN):(a)The the State Governments have also expressed estimated value of cropsdamaged by floods, apprehensions that the funds proposed for drought and other natural calamities during this purpose, are inadequate. However, the 1990 and.1991 is Rs. 450.17 crore and Rs. Government in consultation with the State 106.1 1 crore, respectively. OovemmentsAJTs have issuedguidelinesto prepare schemes for ensuring supply of @) A Statement is attached. STATEMENT SI &. Name of Stat&. Ts. Total amount of indemnhy claims paid (Rs. in lakh) 1. Andhra Pradesh 225.62 2. Assam 18.03 3. Bihar 71.40 4. Gujarat 1 13.83 5. Himadral Ptadesh 5.02 Sk. Name of Staid. Ts. Total amount of indemnRy claims paid (Rs. in lakh) 6. Karnataka 94.78 8. Madhya Pradesh 307.52 91.17 9. Maharastra 21 90.64 82.71 10. Meghalaya 2.29 2.70 12. Tamil Nadu 18.85 73.80 13. Uttar pradesh 62.81 14. West Bengal 298.44 42.38 Total : 3305.67 pad& cutthratlon In Coastal a%a Government have undertaken various schemes for increasing the productivity of paddy cropinvariousstatesincludingcoastal 5780. SHRI SUDHIRSAWANT: Will the areas through transfer of modem technology Minister of AGRICU~WH~be plessed to state: oneofthefunctionsof which istomakepaddy cultivation cost-effective. (a) the measures taken by the Govern- ment for making paddy cultivation cost eff ec- tiw in the coastal areas; (b) and (c). The Government is underlaking studies on cost of production of prindpal (b)whetherthe~overnmenthave&rked crops under a comprehensive scheme. Tho out any formula which one can calculate scheme envisages dledion of repmmrrll- profiVkss for agriartture; and tivedataoninputsandwtputsinphysicaland monetary terms and estimation of cost of cultivation per hectareand cost of production (c) if so, the details thereof? per quintal of principal crops on a wntinuing THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE basis. The details of estimates of inputs and MINISTRYOF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MUL- outputs are sun Cent to calculate prOrivkss LAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) The from crop produdion. 131 mAnmm's ;ss SEPTEMBER 5,1991 ,>\ c0nIgn N.tlonrl. &tsd Visas Garhwal and Chamoll Districts of Uttar t - Pradesh; and 5781. SHRI BHUWAN CHANDRA WSI: Will the Minister of HOME (e) il so, the steps taken by Government AFFAlRS be-pleased to State : In this regard? (a) the number of foreign natbnals who have been granted visas to visit during this THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Y@W MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN MEMINIS. @) the names of ploteC:ed areas in TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. Ultpr Predwh for which foreigners are re- JACOB): (a) 1,74,679 upto 31 st March, 1991. quked to seek pre-travel permission from the Government; @) A Statement is attached. (c) the number of foreign nationals who (c) Since various authorities issue per- were permitted to travel the protected areas mits, no statistical data is available. of UP during last three years; (d) and (0). Since there had been mwe- (d) whether a number al Pakistani na- mont right from the days of pattition, no tbnal aro permanently btaying in Pauri reliable data is available. STATEMENT Rotacted Areas In War hadebh - - FmSWGA ghati (31a 16' 47") N along the ridge to point 5424 (78.18'48.) E Mm, (31.16' W) N along the same ridge to Point 5890 (7emw) E We @1#11*45') N along the same braeupto ita junctbn with W x (31* 13' 2(r) N thence South abng the spur to point 5959 (7&3737-) E metrm, (31*08' W) N dong the spur to the small top (7&38'30") E (31a 07' 14.) N h then deswnds abng a small spur and meets Crew=") E lo &a junction with BHAGIRATHI R. (31.02' 20") N abng right (78.48207 E bank of BHAGlRATHl R to its junction with a small Nala (31@02' 33" (78.47'47") E thence along Nala northwards upstream to point 4515 metres, (31.04' 043 N along the spur to top (31m05' 30") N.it then (78.4821') E (7&51e267 E turns southwards abng the ridge to point 4573 metres, (31.01' 40") N and then descends along the spur to JADH GANGA (78. 5227") (31.03' 04") N; crores the fiver and ascends akmg the spur to (78.52' 40") E point 4710 metres. (31m01' 1r)N; along the ridge eastwards to (78.55 05") E KALl DHANG 6373 metres, (3142'33"); abng the ridge to (7900'35") CHIRBAS PARBAT, (31902 123 N; abng the ridge to (7903' 153 E MATRI, 6721 metres. (31.00' 527 N; thence along the ridge to (7904' 25") E SHRl KAILASH. 6932 metres, (31.01'04") N; south eatwards (79 10' 46") E abng the ridge to point 67% metres, (30 57' 58") N; to its (7912' 40") E junction with MANA DHAR abng the ridge southwards to CHAUKHAMBA Ill. 6974metrese W 43' 30") N; along the ridge (79.16' 353 E eastwards to NILKANTHA 65% metres (30.43' 45"); abng the (7924'353 E ridge to point 5965 meres, (30145' 35"); it then dscends (7926' 35") abng the ridge to ALAKNANDA R (30.45' 45") N crosses the river (79 29' 553 E and ascends to point 5564metres abng the ridge to point 5485 abng the ridge to PATABAN,6127 metres I 135 Wtilten Answgrs SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Wrillen Answers 138 along the ridge to HATHI PARBAT'6727 metres southwards abng the ridge to point 5780 metres abng the ridge to small top it then descends along the spur to DHAULl GANGA abng DHAULl GANGA to point thence upto the spur to top abng the ridge to CHANGABANG abng the ridge northwastwards to point 6992metres abng the ridge soughwards to BHAMCHHU, 20680 R. abng the same ridge to point southeastwards abng the ridge to NANDAKOT, 2251 0 h. south-eastwards along the ridge to KAGUDI BHEL, 15820 ft. down the spur nothsastwards to Nala Junction 6820 R. Thence northwards along the ridge to point 16286 ft. 137 Wn'Sdwr Ans~ BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA) , along the ridge to point BAMBA DHURA, 20780 ft. southsastwardsabng theridge to point 19630 ft. Thence along the ridge to RALAM DHURA 18470 ft. abng the ridge toRAJRAMBA, 21446 ft. abng the ridge southward to point 22650 ft. abng the ridge to point 2220 ft. southwards abng the ridge to point 19920 ft. abng the ridge to point 18940 ft. abng the ridge to BAlSl KHAL 12830 ft. abng the ridge southwards to top thence southwards point 12492 ft. Thence along the spur south-westwards to point it then descends along the spur to the junction of KALl R. AND G0RlGANGA.R. on the INDO NEPAL BORDER. - (a) whether there is any proposal to c-- open regional off ice of Cocanut Devebp 5782. DR.KARTIKESWAR PATRA: Will ment Board in Orissa; cirrcrcirrcrt.. the Minister of AGRICUL~pleased to state: @) if so, the details thereof; 139 WHtmAnsmla SEPTEMBER 5,1W Written Answrrs 140 (c) the adhrttk undertaken and results Growers Cooperative Marketing by the Coconut Devekpment Board Sociity at Puri for devebping infra- shw lls bption especially in Orissa; and structure facilities for making co- pra. The above activities wore (d) the action plandrawn up for devebp carried out at a total expenditured ment of the coconut plantations in Orissa? Rs.186.548 lakhs incurred by the Coconut Development Board. ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (d) The action plan for the devebpment MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) of coconut plantation in Orissa during 1991- No, Sir. 92 include proposal to bring 300 ha of addi- tional area under coconut. A labratory unit (b) does not arise. established lor integrated control of leaf eat- ing caterpillarswill be maintained.The target (c) Coconut Development Board imple- is to produce and distribute 50000 numbers mented and monitoredfdbwing schemes in Tx D Hybrid Seedings and to extend subsidy Orissa since 1982-83 onwards:. at the rate of Rs.100W- per pump set for irrigation in coconut gardens. Total provision Coconut plantation on canal em- earmarkedforthese activities is Rs.6,59,700/ bankments in Orissa; - as share'of the Coconut Devebpment Board. Establishmentof Regional coconut nursery; Expansion of area under coconut; Telegraph offices In Rampur dlstrlct~f Production and Distribution of Tx D Uttar Pradesh Hybrid Coconut Seedlings; --- - -. I* Integrated control of leaf eating 5783. SHRI RAJENDRA KUMAR caterpillar; SHARMA: he%ni&r%i COMMUNC' CATIONS be pleased to state : Promoting primary processing and marketing activities; During the (a) the number of telegraph offices pr~ period from 1982-83 to 1990-91 3 posed to be opened in the rural areas of lakhs Coconut seedling were Rampur district in Uttar Pradesh; and planted on the canal embankments in Orissa. An additional area of @) thesteps being taken by theGovem 1250 ha was brought under new ment in this regard so far 7 planting by extending subsidy to 3000 farmers. Also, 2.50 lakhs T x THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ME D hybrid seedlings were produced MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI and distributed. A regional coconut WESHPILOT) :(a) Phonocom Telegraph nursery and a parasite heeding service at 53 places is planned to be opened laboratory for Mdogical oontrol of in Rampur District in 1991-92. pests were establihed.During this period fimancial assistance of Ru- @) Stores have been allotted and or- pees One lakh was extended to dered. 141 Written Answers BHADRA 14,191 3 (M)Wri#enAnswcm 142 4 t. Veterinary Hospital In Orlssa constluted flying squads to check the viola- --.--T" --.--T" tion of traffic rules; and 5784.SHRI MRUTYUNJAYA NAYAK: Will the Minister of AG-& (d) the number of drives challaned for pleased to State : violation of traffii rules in Delhi during last one year, month-wise ? (a) whether tho facility of Veterinary Hospital is available in every gram pan- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE chayat of Orissa; MINISTRYOFPARLIAM WTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- @) il not, the time by which this facility is TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. likely to be provided; and JACOB): (a) Yes. Sir. The Delhi Police have reported that road accidents in Delhi are (c) the number of Veterinary Hospitals marginally increasing. functioning at present in Phulbani district of (b) No, Sir. Orissa? (c) One zonal officer from each cirde has been detailed by the Delhi Police for THE MINISTER OF STATE THE MIN- flying squads to check violation of traffii ISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K. C. rules. LENKA) : (a) No, Sir. (d) The number of drivers prosecuted @)Atpresent the Government of Orissa for violation of traffic rules during the last 12 have no proposal for opening of Veterinary months are indicated as under: Hospitals in each Gram Panchayat of the state. August.1990 (c) There are twenty f ive (25) Veterinary September. 1990 Dispensariesfunctioning in Phulbani District d Orissa. October. 1990 November, 1990 Constltutlon of Flylng Squads to Check December ,1990 Vialatlon of Traffk Rules January ,1991 5785. SmRARII WNYADAV: Will Ute Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be plead February.1991 lostate: March.1991 (a) whether the road accidents are in- April .I991 Cfemhg in Delhi; May, 1991 @) whether maximum road accidents Ocarr at the crossings; June, 1991 (c)if so, whether the Government have July.1991 149 Wri& Answrs SEPTEMBERS, 1991 Wrilten Answers 144 I (a) the number of mishaps occurred in the Visakhapatnam Steel Plant so far and 5786. SHRI MUKUL BALKRISHNA the number of persons killedhcapadtated; "I WASNIK :,- and SHRI GOVINDRAO NIKAM: (b) the reasons for such mishaps and % .% - .-.- the remedial measures taken to prevent Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be recurrence of such mishaps? pleased to State : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ME (a) the number of Statutory Develop- MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH ment Boards in the country accorded recog- MOHAN DEV): (a) the first major unit of nilion so far; Visakhapatnam Steel Plant viz. Coke Oven Battery No.1 wascommissionedon 5.9.1989. @) whether the Government have re- Since then there have been 544 accidents. ceived any proposals for the formation of Out of them, 4 were fatal accidents, 441 more such boards; were reportable' accidents and 99 non-re- portableaccidents. No person was incapaci- (c) if so, the details thereof; and tated permanently. (d) the decision taken by the Govern- (b) The causes of the accidents were ment thereon? mainly due to collusion with objectsfmachin- ery, exposure to hot steamfGas, fall from THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE heights etc. MINISTRY OF PARLlAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- The Plant is now maintaining a well- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. equipped Safety Department with 9 Safety JACOB): (a) to (d). The Ministry of Home Engineers and 16 staff members like Safety Affairs do not coordinate any information ~nspedorsetc. Use of safety appliances relating to development bodies set up under such as Helmets, Shoes, Safety belts etc. is state legislation. As far asthe Government of enforced. Besides, intensive site inspections Miis concerned, article 371(2) of the Con- are carried out to eliminate unsafe condi- stitution envisages special responsibility of tions of work. 20 Departmental Safety Com- the Governor for the establishment of mittees and Safety Advisory Committees at separatedevebpment boardsfor Viharbha, the APEX level with workers participation Marathwada and the rest of Maharashtra have been organised. All accidents major and Saurashtra. Kutch and the rest of and minor are investigated and remedial Gujarat-Nodevebpment board has been set action taken. up so far. The Government of Maharashtra \ ' 4'-? have sent proposals at different points of Development of Agriculture time. These require indepth exmination from ?*- dierent angles,induding legal and constitu- 5788. SHRI V.S.VMAYARAGHAVAN: tion% before a final decision is taken. will the M*G~EGT~~AGRICULTURE b;, \ 'LA, --2 pleased to State : Mishaps In Visakhapatnam Steel Plant - (a) whether the Government propose to 5787. SHRI M.V.V.S.MURTHI: Will the launch new schemes for the development of Minister of S&~L be pleased to She : agriculture in the country; 'Raportable accidents are those where the injured exployee is unable to attend duties for more than 2 days. 145 Written Answers BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA) Written Answers 146 @) if so, the details thereof; and (d) Delhi Fire Service has already pro- cured chassis for fabrication of 10 small fire (c) the amount allocated to Kerala un- engines to combat fires in the walled city and der 'Intensive Paddy Production Scheme' other congested areas in Delhi. during 1990-91? c-,c-c ' ~6Telephone-- Connections In GOA MEMINISTER OF STATE IN ME MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 5790. SHRl HARISH NARAYAN. -a MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN) : (a) PRABHU ZjiiW~:'wil~the M&er of and (b) All the on-going Schemes of Agricul- -NICATION!$~~ pleased to State : ture Development are likely to continue in the 8th Five Year Plan. No new scheme has (a) the total number of telephone con- been sanctioned so far. nections provided to Panaji, Margao, Mapusa, Vacco, Phonda, Bicholin and (c) An amount of Rs. 172.32 lakh was Sanvordem in Goa during last three years; alkcated to Kerala State under the 'Inten- sive Paddy Production Scheme'during 1990- (b) the waiting list for telephoneconnec- 91 as Central share. tions at present in the above cities; \ YS Fire Stations in Delhi (c) the number of telephone exchanges --1. opened during last three years and the num- 5789.SHRI TARA CHAND KHANDEL--- -dF -.- ber of telephone exchanges out of them WAL: Will the Minister O~MEAFFAIRS converted into electronics; and -be pleased to State : (d) the number of telephone exchanges (a) whether the Government propose to proposed to be opened and converted into set up more fire stations in Delhi during electronics during 1991 and 1992? 1991-92; MEMINISTER OF STATE OF THE @) if so. the details thereof; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT) :(a) and (b). The informa- (c) if not, the reasons therefor; and tion is given in the attached statement. (d) the steps taken by the Government (c) During last three years ending to make proper arrangements of fire fighting 31.3.1991, a total of nine exchanges were etc. in the walled city and other congested opened in Goa. Two of these were electronic areas in Delhi? exchanges. Duringthisperiod 22 exchanges were converted into electronic exchanges. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME MINISTRYOF PARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS (d) During 1991 three exchange were AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- proposed to be opened and they have al- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. ready been opened. During 1991 ten ex- JACOB): (a) to (c). Yes. Sir. Four additional changes were proposed to been converted fire stations at Bhikaji Cama Place, Nehru into electronic. During 1992,two exchanges place, Laxmi Nagar District Centre, and are proposed to be opened and ten ex- Wazirpur Industrial Area. are to be com- changes proposedto beconvertedinto elec- pleted. tronic. 147 WrRten Ansm SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 148 STATEMENT shift the office of the Central Finger Print Bureau from Calcutta; and (a) Total number of telephone connec- @) if so, the details thereof? tions provided during last three years, end- ing 313.1 991. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS 1. Panaji 1437 AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. ..3 . Margao 935 JACOB): (a) and @). In pursuance of the recommendactions of the National Police 3. Mapusa 61 Commission and for functional and adminis- trative reasons, it was decided in 1987 to 4. Vasco 71 shift some operational sections of Central Finger Print Bureau from Calcutta to Delhi 5. Ponda 257 under the administrative control of the Na- tional Crime Records Bureau. Out of a total 6. Bicholin 173 of 86 posts, it was decided to shift 62 posts to Delhi in two phases. However, so far only 7. Sanvordem 73 53 posts have been shifted to Delhi. The (curchoram) remaining-. 33 posts are still in Calcutta. C e ,&&<;e, (b) Waiting list of telephone connec- \" $engall irrlgatlon Project as National yect Waiting List 5792. SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPA- THY:(C C .. Will "ti7~er'mt-~-"R~- 1. Panaji 2743 SOURCES be pleased to State : 2. Margao 2359 (a) whether the Government of Orissa has submitted any proposal to the Union 3. Mapusa 1213 Government for the declaration of the Ren- gali Irrigation Project as a National Project; 4. Uasco 1304 and 5. Ponda 516 (b) if so, the details thereof and the reaction of the Union Government thereto? 6. Bicholin 42 THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- 7. Sanwrdem 79 SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN (curchorem) SHUKLA): (a) No such proposal has been a received from the State Government. Shlftlng of Offhof flnger Print Bureau @) Dos not arise. +. >If- *- *- r)rr I.. : 2)- ' 5791. MI HANNAN MOLLAH: Will \ 6~t x.? *kph~n~ Directory of Bombay the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased tostate: 5793. S,H,HP,IP,[email protected] KAPSE: -- Will the Mii- ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to (a) whether the Government propose to State : (a) whether the Telephone Directory of The interests of the cooperative dairy sector Bombay Telephones has not been supplied will be protected. b the subscribers by the Wanagar Tele- phone Nigam Ltd. for the last four years; i (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 1 V~lcencesfor Mlnlna in Blhar (c) the steps taken or proposed to be 5795. SiRL-RAM,??,.LJty SlNGH taken to supply the latest directory? YADAV: Will the Minister of ~lmkrf% State : MEMINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (a) whether the land owners on whose RAlESHPILOT) :(a) to (c). Sir, the last issue -land minerals were found have been issued of main telephone directory for Bombay was licences for mining on priority basis in Bihar; published and distributed in August 1988. and There after. two alphabetical supplements updated upto 1589 and 10.1 2.90 were is- (b) if so, the details of the persons who sued. The subsequent issue of the main have been issued licences on priority basis diredory could not be printed by the contrac- and the number who are yet to be issued tor, due to management and financial prob- licences? lems. The contractor has now come up with a proposal to execute the contract with the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ME helpof another reputed company, which has MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM been agreed to by the MTNL. The next issue SINGH YADAV): (a) Prospecting licences of Bombay Telephone Directory is likely to and mining leases are granted in accor- be published by the end of December 1991. dance with the provisions of Mines and Min- -4G erals (Regulation and Development ) Act . Cooperative Dalry Sector 1957. Section 11 of the Act lays down the - preferential rights of persons applying for 5794. SHRI RABl RAY: Willthe Minister such leases and licences. According to this of AGR~cu~~~R~w pleased to State : provisionthere Is no such preferentialright of land owners, on whose lands minerals are (a) whether Cooperative Dairy Sector found, to get licences or leases. However, would face crisis if free licensing is resorted according to provisions of Mineral Conces- to in this sector; and sion Rules. 1960 consent of the land owner is required before mining operation can be @) ifso, the details thereof; and taken up. (c) the steps the Government propose \ (bd does not arise- to take to save this Cooperative Dairy Sec- tor? Increase In Capacity of Various phone Exchanges in Himachal Pradesh --rC - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME -- . _1 MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. 5796. P-DHUMAL: Will the LENKA): (a) and (c). In the New Industrial Minister of COMMUNICAT=~~~~~~~ ~olicymilk foodand malted food" has been to State : dolicensed. The impact of this policy on the cooperative dairy sedor is being assessed. (a) whether the Government propose to 151 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 . Written Answers 152 increase the capacity of telephone exchanges Madras Rs.159.92 crores in Mehatpur (Una), Vaddi, Barotiwala of Himachal Pradesh; Bombay Rs.555.93 crores @) if so, the details thereof; and Calcutta Rs. 165.62 crores (c) the time by which their capacity is Delhi Rs439.17 crores likely to be increased? (b) Allocation of new capacity to Metro- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE politan cities is done on the basis of pending MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI demand and replacement plans. RAJESH PILOT) : (a) Yes. Sir. [Translation] @) and (c)i) Mehatpur (Una)512 P ILI i 5 -L by March 1992. Sorting of Mall Through Computer -"-A ii) Barotiwala and Vaddi: 5798. KUMARlVlMl+ VERMA: Will the Both the stations are pro- Minister of FOMMUN~CATIONSbe pleased posed to be merged and to State : provided with 1000 port (a) whether the Government have for- electronic exchange dur- mulated any scheme for sorting of mail ing 1992-93. through computer in the country; (b) if so, the States proposed to be [ English] \5 \. covered under the said scheme; and Allotment of New Telephone Connec- (c) the cities in Madhya Pradesh where tions to ~etrowtles the said scheme is likely to be introduced during the Eighth Five Year, Plan? 5797. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will the Minister of -e&ased THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ME to State : MlN ISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT) : (a) A scheme has been (a) the revenue earned by the telecom- formulated for sorting of letters in big metro munication Department through telephones cities through a letter sorting machine which in Madras, Bombay, Calcutta and Delhi uses a computer technology. separately during 1989-90; and (b) It is proposed to open such a centre @) the criteria adopted by the Depart- in Bombay in the immediate future. ment for allotting new telephone connec- (c) Does not arise. tkrns to all the Metropolitan cities? 4- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE I' Dmputalud ~\rrtwy~nqu~ry MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Service MESHPILOT) : (a) The revenue earned I by Telecommonkatii Depaflment through 5799.S9 PRITI-IVIRAI D.CHAVAN: tekphones in Wr-0 Bombay , ChklJtta Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS= '. and Odhi in the yew 1989-90 IS as under: to State : 153 Wrinen Answers BHADRA 14.1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 154 (a) whether the computerised Directory THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Enquiry Service has been put in operation in MINISTRYOFPAtUVIMENTARY AFFAIRS various metropolitan clies; AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. @) if so, the details thereof. JAOOB): (a) and @). Efforts by some Naga extremists to proatre arms and ammunition (c) whether this sewice is available at from akoadthrough8angladesh have come Pune. Nagpur and Aurangabad; and to notice. The concerned authoriities have (d) if not, the reasons therefor? \ >& Dhara Oil THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 5801. SHRI SHANKERSINH--. RAJESH PILOT) : (a) Yes, Sir. VAGHELA: Will-- the Minister of~dSTicKX'- -1 ~UREbe pleased to State : (b) Computerised Directory Enquiry has been put in operation at all the four metro- (a) the total quantity and value of Dhara potitan cities. Oil sold so far; (c) and (d) This service is available at @) the total amount paid to the produc- Pune and Aurangabad. The service is pro- ers; posed to be provided at Nagpur also. (c)the manner in which the balance was g * P ~?v utiliied and the amount spent on advertis- M 5 \ ,5 \oA~$!.-- Crossing over to ing, distribution commission, packaging, processing and other overheads; 5800. SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA: (d) whethertheGovernment propose to t Will the Minister of HOME consider bose sale of Dhara oil for the pleased to State : weaker sections; and (a) whether the Naga Extremists are (e) if so. the details thereof? crossing over to Bangladesh to collect arms and ammunition; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI (b) if so. the details thereof and the MUUAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN) : (a) steps taken by the Government in this re- The total quantity of Dhara Oil sold by the gard? NDDB since inception is as follows: Tieperkxi Sab (In Metric tonnes) Sale value (Rs. in crores) August 1988 to 1187 March, 1989 April 1989 to 19,887 March,l990 April 1991 to 73.620 March.1991 1 55 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 156 @) NbDB makes payments to the oil- @) A 1500 Lines electronic exchange is seed growers cooperative federations es- likely to be commissioned in Badayun (U.P.) tablished under the Vegetable Oil Project in the Eighth Five Year Plan. who in turn pay remunerative prices to oil- seed growers. [English] 4F (c) The expenditure on various activities Grant of Pension to Freedom Fighters connected with Dhara operations has been omsmajMovement -,* , . . I- . incurred in a manner consistent with the . -a.-- *-.... a"-- -2 objectives of the market intervention opera- 5803.SHRI S.N.VEKARIA: Will the Min- tions. isterof HOME~AIRSbe pleased to State: (d) and (e) Government is already sell- (a) whether the cases of Freedom ing imported edible oils through the weaker Fighters of Arya Samaj Movement for the sections of the society also. There is no grant of pensions are still pendingfinalisation; proposal under consideration for retail sale and of loose oil for the weaker sections d the society to cut its costs as is being done for @) if so, the details thereof and the time milk by NDDB. The sale of loose oil in India by which these cases are likely to be final- frequently leads to undesirable practices late ised? adulteration and under weighment. NDDB has, therefore, been making efforts to en- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE hance the sale of packed oil under the Dhara MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS brand name so as to shift the consumption AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- pattern from hseoil to packed oil. Dhara is &TRY OF HOME AFFAlRS (SHRI M.M. sold in tamper proof packs so that consum- JACOB): (a) and (b). The last date for receipt ers can be sure about the purity and quantity of applications from the participants of the of the oil which they purchase. Arya Samaj movement was 30.6.1986. All the applications received by that date have [Translation] been disposed of. However, 351 appli- 15 5 tions purportedto have been received by the Electronic Telephone Exchange in Nonofficial Screening Committee have not Badayun DHW~Radesh yet been disposed of for the reason that __UL there is a doubt about their timely receipt. It 5802. SHRI CHIN-D SWAMI:--. has recently been decided to dispose of Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be such of these applications which are found pleased to state : included in the list furnished by the Sar- (a) whether there is any proposal under vadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha to this Min- the considerationof the Governmentto setup istry before 30.6.1 986. No time limit can be an electronic exchange in Badayun District specified for their disposal. of Uttar Pradesh; and @) if so, the time by which it is likely to be set up? Hoisting of Pak ~iagin Kashmlr THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 5804. -N MARANDI: W~llthe MINISTRY OF WMUNICATDNS (SHRI Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to WESH PILOT) : (a) Yes, Sir. State : 157 WnZkm Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 158 (a) whether efforts of hoiiing the Pakii ME MINISTER OF STATE IN ME stani flag in many areas of Kashmir were MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS made by the tenorists on the Independence AND MINISTER OF STATE IN MEMINIS- day, the 15th August, 1991, TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so. the details thereof; and @) and (c). Payment in respect of ve- (c) the action taken against terrorists in hicles hired during the bandh in October. this regard by the Government? 1990 has already been made. Payment in respect of 14 vehicles hired during the last ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Lok Sabha elediincould not be made due to MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS non-submission of bills in 6 cases and dis- AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- bills preferred in other cases. TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) to (cL As per information avail- Boxes and PoliAssis- able, some terrorists held armed parade and tance Booths hoisted Pakistaniflags on 14th August '91 in - some isolated places near Srinagar, which 5806. DR.C.SILVERA: Will the Minister were promptly removed by Security Forces. of HOME AFFAIRS be ?zed to State : Patrolling in sensitive pockets has been (a) the number and kcation of police intensifies to avoid such instances. Beat Boxes and Police Assistance Booths in Delhi; (b) the main tasks assigned to those Use of Prhrate Commercial Vehicles by centres; Delhi Police -"L, #*-- (c) whether those centres have ben 5805. SHRI RAMESH CCIAND instructed to intervene in any incidentlacci- dent connected with law and order in their DR. G-LKANAUJIA: respective areas at their own without any --rAa*--.- .,--.* SHRI MAHESH KANODIA: request from affected parties; and Will the MiniGer of HOME AFFAIRS be (d) whether those centers are also re- pleased to State : sponsible to get the traffic jam cleared in their respective areas as and when required? - (a) whether the Delhi police hires pri- vate commercial vehides on occasion of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE elections, bandhs, etc. and pays therefor, MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- @) whether such payments have been TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. made by the Delhi Polii of South-West JACOB): (a) there are 164 beat boxes and region for the Vehicles hiiedon the dn227 police assistance booths htedin Mi. oS the last Lok Sabha elediis and the Thew bcation district-wise is given in the bandh in October, 1990; and statement enclosed. (c) if not, the reasons therefor and the @)to(d) The maintasks assigned to the being taken in this regard? staff are to keep watch on the terrorist adivi- 159 Written Answem SEPTEMBER 5. .I 991 W&enAnmers 160 ties; to assist generally the children, ladies etc. The staff also helps in maintaining law and old persons; to remain in the bokout of and order and regulation of traffk. criminals and d vehiies involved in crime; STATEMENT Name of Distt. No. of Beat boxes No. of Pdice As&tance Bodhs. west North South Central South-West North-West East Uort h-East New Delhi Crime 8 Railways TO~A i64 227 ing 1990-91 ; beof Passports for Ha) (c) the number of them issued with .- 1-.-....- passports; and 5807. SHRI MOHAMMAD ALI : swr ASHRAF FA~I:- (d) the number of passports issued L.* ..--. - .. without Police verification report to those Witl the Minister d EXTERNAL AF- persans? FMS be pleased to State : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Government have re- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFARS (SHRI ceived any conpkht in regard to delay in EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) While 43 corn- issue of passpork to the people of Jammu plaints have ben received from people of and Kashmir for Haj Jiyarat (Pilgrimage); Jammu L Kashmir regarding delay in hue of passports during 90-9.1. none d these (b) the number of persons d Jammu was for delay in issue of passports for Haj and Kashmir who applied for passports dw- Pilgrimage. 161 BHADRA 14.1 913 (SM) Written Answers 162 @) to (d). W& the dosure of the Srik (a) whether there is any proposal to nagar Passport Office m February 1990. the instsll an automaf :ICP 3000 cross-bar ex- processing ol applicatins for passports of change in the Cuddalore Municipal Town of personsfrom Jammu & Kashmir was started Cuddalore Telecommunication District of in Regional Passport Mice at Delhi. No Tamil Nadu Circle; and separate record is maintained and these applications are posessed abng with the (b) if so, when it is lito be commis- appliiform Delhi. sioned? MEMINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNlCATlONS (SHRI Study on Utilisatkn of Water from IUUESH PILOT) :(a) Yes Sir. 2500 Lins ICP -brigation Reseruoirs cross bar exchange. 5808. DR.G.L.KANAUJIA: Will the Min- (b) By March 92. ister of WA~OU~CESbe to I (2. State : Long Distance Public Telephones and Joint Post and ~ele~~~~ff'&es (a) whether a Sub-committee of the National Water Board is conducting a study 5810. DRJAYANTA RONGPI: Will the to find out the ways and means of utilisation Minister O~U~AT~N-&pleased of water from irrigation reservoirs; and to State : @) if so, the details thereof and the time (a) the extent to which the target fxed to by which the Sub-Committee is likely to operate 1.35 lakh lines of local switching subml its report? capacity in addition to 15.000 long distance public telephones 2nd 1.000 joint post and telegraphoffii underthe annual Plan 1990- THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- 91 has ben achieved; SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and @). No such Sub-corn- @) the States where these telephones mittee has been set up. However, the Na- and pint post and telegraph offices are tional Water Board has established a Com- functioning; mittee on river basin organisations to pre- (c) the reasons for not achieving the pare a comprehensive plan tor the develop- target; and ment and management of the river basin as a whole, being into aocount not only the (d) the action being taken by the Gov- needs of irrigation but also other water uses. ernment in this regard? The Committee is required to submit its report withim a period d six months. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE I fb) This addition switching capacity and @) if so, the details thereof? Long DincePublic Telephones have been pmvided in all States. Combined post and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Wegraph offices are presently working in aH MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI stabs. WESH PILOT) : (a) There is presently no (c) The shortfan in respect of Long Dii- proposal to issue special stamps on the tame Public Telephones is due to inads hiiric forts of Rajasthan. quate supply of the equipment to conned these to the nearest telephone exchanges. (b) Does not arise. \64 (d) No problem is foreseen in regard to Public Call Offices in Ernakulam and providing exchange capacity as planned in Kottayam Districts of Kerala Rural areas. For ensuring success of the - Long Distance Public Telephones Pro- 5812. SHRI P.C.THOMAS; Will the gramme. task forces have been constituted ~inisterof ~UN~AT~U~NSbe pleased in each Telecom Circles and cbse monitor- to state : ing of supplies and commissioning pro- ramme is being done at the Headquarters. (a) whether more P.C.Os a proposed to be provided in Ernakulam and Kottayam 64 Commemorative Postal stamps districts in Kerala during the current year; --- .- -,--- - and 5811. SHRI DHARAM PAL SlNGH MALIL W~II~~~~~~~MMUNICA--(b) if so, the details thereof? TONSbe pleased to State : (a) whether the Government propose to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE issue more commemorative postal stamp on MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI the historic forts of Rajasthan in near future; RAJESH PILOT) : (a) Yes, Sir. and (b) (i) ERNAKULAM DISTRICT . P.Ts provided from 1.4.91 to 31.7.91 115 P.Ts proposed to be provided from 1-8.91to 31 3-92. 60 (ii) KOlTAYAM DISTRET P:Ts provided from 1.4.91 to 31-7.91 8 P.Ts to be provided from 1.8.91 b 31.3.92 45 -r 7 ~xp.n&n of ~~~lliluy~orcet ment propose to expand the Indo-Tibetan 3 A Border Police Force; 5813. SHRl GOPINATH GAJAPATHI: @) if so, the details thereof; Will the Ministgr of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state:(a) whether the Govem- (c) whether some other Para-Military 165 BHADRA 14,1913 166 WnittmAnswers (SAM) Wrilten Answpw., Folcnarepnpodtobeerpndedduring [P I1\ * his year; and /6? 7ai4c&b Sales Tax on Maruti-Suwki Vehicles (d) if so, the details thereof? 5815. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDEg THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS pleased to state: AND MlNISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. (a) the rate of sales tax charged on the JACOB): (a) to (d). The strength of the para- Maruti-Suzuki vehicles sold in Delhi; military forces is reviewed from time to time,keeping in view variius factors includ- (b) the rate of sales tax charged on ing the prevalent law and order situation, and bides, scooters and motor cycles sold in action taken to augment the forces as con- Delhi; sidered necessary. (c) whether the Government propose to raise the rate of sales tax on Maruti vehicles [ Translation] in view of the difficult financial situation pre- vailing in the country; and Alleged Irregularities at Central Instl- _II_-- tute of Research on Buffalo, Hissar (d) if so the details thereof? *.I- 1- 1- 1- 58 14. s H RI s~TJ,TP_s!-!--K,!!!!h?&THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME GANGWAR: Will the Minister of AGRICUL- MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS TURE be pleased to state: AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. (a) whether several cases of irregulari- JACOB): (a) Fuel efficient motor cars of 49sat Central Institute of Research on Buf- engine capacity below 1000 c.c, are liable to falo Hissar have been brought to the notice tax @ 6% of the sale price in Delhi. All other of the Union government; types of motor vehicles including Maruti- Suzuki vehicles of 1000 C.C. engine capacity (b) if so, the details thereof; and are liable to tax @ 10% when sold in Delhi. (c) h action taken by the Union gov- (b) the rate of sales tax on these items emment thereon? is 10%. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and (d). The Delhi Administration MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI has reported that no such proposal is under K.C.LENKA): (a) Yes, Sir. their consideration at present. . CC Jan- ,kfXh (b) The irregularities relate to poor herd ' ' tunH.nufacturers in J~K management, lack of planning in research and nonobservance of coda1 formalities in 5816. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: W making purchases. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS bemsed .-, to state: (a) the number of gun manufactur- (c) A pint technical, financial and per- ers and factories in Jammu and Kashmir; formance audit has been carried out. The Dhctor of the Institute has been transferred @)thenumber of liincedunits working and his explanation has been called. in Kashmir at present; 167 wdten ~nsw& SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Written Answers 168 d. (c) whether the Qun manufacturers of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE State have moved ta South for selling the MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH weapons; and MOHAN DEV): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) if so, the reasons therefor? (b) to (e) Steel authority of India Limited (SAIL) have been raising funds through vari- ous sources like borrowings from banks, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE other Corporations, publicdeposits and also MINISTRY OF PARLlAMEMARY AFFAIRS loans from Steel Development Fund, foreign AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- currency loans etc. These are utilised to TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. meet both theoperationaland capital expen- JACOB): (a) and (b). According to the infor- diture of the Company. mation available, there are 31 licensed gun manufacturing units in Jammu & Kashmir As on 31.3.1991, the position of out of which two are located in Srinagar funds borrowed by SAlL from the outside (Kashmir). market was as under: (c) and (d). Gun manufacturersare per- (Rupees in crores) mitted to sell their products to the licensed arms dealers and individual licence holders Public Deposit Scheme 1055 throughout the country. 1 - --- L Inter-Corporate Deposits 113 1 Raising of Funds by Sail Foreign currency loans 361 SHRl PRATAPRAO- bans for capital expendkure B-BHONSLE: SHR~ATVAS~NDHARA Loan from Housing 24 -m~:- Development Finance Corporation. Will the Minister of STEEL be pleasedto state: \ (33 Kolar Gold Field Mines --. -~...- " --" 5818.SHRl -- C.P._MUD&AGIRIYAPPA- . - _ _ __-- (a) whether the Steel--- -- Authority - - of I@@ Will the Minister of MINES be pleased to Limited (SAIL) propose to raise its funds state: t-var bus sources; [a) the number and names of mines in (b) if so. the details thereof and reasons the Kolar Gold Field (KGF) area; therefor; @)thenumber of workers in each mine; (c) tne utilisation programme of such and collections; (c) the percentage of gold available in t the gold ore extracted from KGF mines? (d) whether in the past funds were also raised by SAIL; and MEMINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM (6) if so, tho details thereof and utilia- SlNGH YADAV): (a) to (c).The informationis tion made of those funds? given below: 169 Written Answets Written Answers 170 171 MM&wAnsmns SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Wdten Answes 172 \ %KW G-A%\\&A ' ' ' Bangladeshis Pushed into Jammu (c) if no?, the reasons for not setting up post offiis in every village panchayat so 581 9. SHRI C.P.MUDALAGIRIY-@PA: far? Wa the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI (a) whether Pakistan Rangers have been RAJESH PILOT): (a) No. Sir. pushing Bangladeshis in various groups into Jammu areas from across the border; (b) and {c) The total number of post offices functioning in Ranchi district as on @) if so, the number of such Ban- 1.7.91 is 341 which includes two Head post gladeshis who have crossed the border; Wis.59 sub post Off ices, 7 E.D.Sub post Offices and 273 E.D.Branch Post Offices. (c) whether some of them have been proposal for setting up post offices in those apprehended; and village panchayats where post offices are not already functioning shall be sent by Chief (d) if so, tfie details thereof alongwith Postmaster General, Bihar Circle in due the steps taken by the Government in this course depending upon justification and the regard? over all target for opening of post offices - allotted to Bihar Circle. y? =- \,-I3 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Extraction of Bauxite in Madhya MINISTRY OFPARLlAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. 5821. SHRI RAMESHWAR PATIDAR: JACOB): (a) There are no wnf irmed reports Will the in- pleased to state: of Pakistani rangers having been pushing Bangladeshisinto Jammu areas from across (a) the quantity of bauxite extracted in the border. Madhya Pradash during each of the last three years; @) to (d). Does not arise. (b) the countries to which it was ex- [Translation] 11 ! ported and the foreign exchange earned therefrom during the above period, year- Post Offkes in Village Panchayats of wise; -nchi in Bihar - (c) whether the Government have for- 5820. SHRI RAM TAHAL a- mulated any scheme for the welfare of the ----.-OUDHARY: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- people living in the areas where bauxite is CATDNS be pleased to state: located in Madhya Pradesh; and (d) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether the facility of post Offii is available in every village panchayat of Ran- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE chi distrid in BW MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM SlNGH YADAV): (a) The quantity of bauxle @) if so, the total number of post offices mined in ~adh~aPradesh during the last functioning in Ranchi; and three years is given below: 173 Wrlien Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 174 - 1988 - 5.66.000 tonnes New Group Centers In CRPF 1989 - 4.86.000 tonnes - 1990 - 5,26,000 tonnes 5823. PROF. RASA SlNGH RAWAT: Will the ~Giterof HOME AFFAIRS be- (b) Bauxite mined in Madhya Pradesh pleased to state: is not exported. (a) whether the Government had de- (c) No, Sir. Such measures are usually cided to set up new Gmup Centres in the taken up by the mine owners. Central Reserve Police force Keeping in view the internal situation of the country; (d) Does not arise. . Ik*).*Gp @) if so, the details thereof; and Subsidy to Compensate Losses Suf- fered in Sikara, House Boat Business in (c) the number of Group Centres set up Kashmir in accordance with that decision so far and the time by which the rest are likely to be set 5822. SHRI RAMESHWAR PATIDAR1 up? Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME MlNlSTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS (a) whether the Government are provid- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. ing subsidy to compensate the losses being JACOB): (a) No. Sir. A proposal has been suffered in the business of Sikara. House- received for setting upnew Group Centres in boat as well as by the industry and trade in CRPF. The proposal is being examined. Kashmir due to decrease in inflow af tourists after the beginning of the secessionist @) and (c). Does not arise since no movement; decision has so far been taken. (b) if so,the amount provided as sub- sidy so far; Waiting List for T-Connections (c) whether such subsidies are being in Hathras and Aligarh Districts of U.P. provided to the people of Jammu and La- 5824. DR-LALBAHADUR RAWAL- Will dakh also; and -l-..---.- the ~inishof COMMUNICATIONS be (d) if not. the reasons therefor? pleased to state: (a) the number of the persons on the ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE waiting list for telephone connections in MINISTRY Of PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS Hathras and Aliiarh Districtsof Ottar Pradesh AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- from 1988 till date, category-wise; TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JAW): (a) to (d). The details are awaited @) the time by which all the applicants from the Government of Jammu and Ka- are likely to be provided with telephone con- shmir. nections; 175 WrirrenAnsrvrers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Written Answers 176 (c) the action Mi taken by the Gov- @) All the applii are likely to be ernment in this regardm prwided with Telephone connections dur- 1992-93. (d) the number of P.C.Os. and Tele- phone exchanges set up in Hathras and Aligarh during the last three Years? (c) 1200 Lines 8 600 lines expansion have been planned a! Aligarh 8 Hathras THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE respectively in 1991-92 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) The information is fur- (d) The information is furnished as per nished as per attached statement. attached annexure. STATEMENT Part (a) SI. Name of DisW Category No. Tehsil OM Non OM OYT Non OYT OYT Non OYT OYT Non OM OYT Non OYT Spl. Gen Spl. Gen Spl. Gen Spl. Gen Spl. Gm 1. Aligarh Dlstt 43 190 780 92 354 1396 8 87 1083 5 46 2. HathrasTehsll - 22 119 - 19 258 1 26 376 - 3 Part (d) SI, Name of Distt./ PCOS & Exchangeset up No. Tehsil 1988-89 - -- -- 1988-89 198400 1990-91 Exch. PC0 Exch. PC0 Exch. PC~ 1. Aligarh Distt. 1 3 - 3 2 11 2. Hathraa Tehsil 1 4 7 1 10 179 WmenAns*prs2 SEPTEMBERe 5.1991 Wrifen Ans we= 160 ,-q ~~~--\(Rfi4r~ Expansion and Modernlsatlon of shaher districts of U.P.; and telephone Exchanges In Aligarh, Bulandsbher District Of U.P. @) if so, the details thereof? 5825. DR-LAL BAHADUR RAWAL: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE WIU the kister af 6~iNIc~Tm MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI be pleased to state: WESH PILOT): (a) Yes. Sir. (a) whether there is any scheme for @) Details are given in the attached expansion and modernisation of telephone statement. exchanges in Aligarh. Bijnore and Buland- STATEMENT List of Exchanges alreadyModemised and P~oposedto bo expandedA4ondemisedInto Electronic Exchangesduring 1991-92. s Name of SI. Name of Exchange Existing Capacity Proposed/modernisatio. Remarks District No. TYPO expansionduring 91 -92 f Allgarh 1. Atravli Electronic 88 Lines C-DOT 176 Lines extn. 2. Eglas -do- 56 Lines - 3. Gonda -do- 56 Lines - 4. Harovaganj Max-Ill 50 Lines C-DOT88 Lines replacement 5. Sasni . Electronic 88 Lines C-DOT176 Lines expansion 6. SikandraRao CBNM 150 Lines C-DOT88 Lines replacement 7. Aligarh MAX- I 8700 Lines - 2nd exch- ange of 2000 lines C-DOT H Electronicfor p 8. Chapra MAX -Ill 100 Lines C-DOT88 Llnes replacement SEPTEMBER 5,1991 SI. Name of Exchange Existing Proposed/modernisation Remarks District No. TYP expansbnduring 91-92 3 b5 4. Chandpur MAX - 400 Llnes C- DOT 1000 Lines replacement II 3F 5. Dhanpur CBM 480 Lines C-DOT 1000 Lines replacement 6. HaMaur MAX-Ill 50 Lines MILT 56 Lines replacement 7. Nagina -do- 100 Lines ESAX 200 Lines replacement 8. Sheohara CBNM 200 Lines C- DOT 176 Lines replacement 9. Najirabad CBM 840 Lines C- DOT 1400 Lines replacement 10. Afzalgarh MAX - Ill 100 Lines C- DOT 88 Lines replacement 11. Kalagarh MAX-Ill 50 Lines C- DOT 88 Lines replacement 12. Mandawar -do- 35 Lines C- DOT 88 Lines replacement 13. Noorpur - do - 50 Lines C - DOT 88 Lines replacement Bulandshar 1. Aurangabad Electronic 88 Lines - 2. Bugrasi -do- 56 Lines - 56 Limes 200 Lines 5. Gulavthi 176 Lines 88 Lies C- DOT 176 Lines expansion 56 Lies 56 Lines 2000 Lines 300 Lines 11. Pahasu 88 Lies - 88 Lines G DOT 176 Lines expansion 500 Lines NEAX 628 Lines expansion 176 Lines - 191 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 192 [English] \ ? \ adopt new strategies to increase the produc- tion of oilseeds in the country during the Production of Oilseeds Eight Five Year Plan; and 5826. ---- SHRI GOPl NATH.-- GAJAPATHI:. (c) if so, the details thereof? Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the target set and production MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI achieved by the major oilseeds growing MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) States during the Seventh Five Year Plan The oilseeds production target and achieve- period; ment of major oilseed growing States during 1989-90 (terminal year of Seventh Plan) was (b) whether the Government propose to as follows: States 1989-90 Target Achievement (Lakh tonnes) 1. Andhra Pradesh 2. Gujarat 3. Karnataka 4. Madhya Pradesh 5. Maharashtra 6. Orissa 7. Rajasthan 8. Tamil Nadu 9. Uttar Pradesh 10. West Bengal (b) and (c). Yes, Sir. The details of new Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Maharash- strategies are as under: tra and Karnataka, (ii) Intercrop ping with cotton in Maharashtra Area Expansion and Gujarat, and (iii) replacement of minor millest in Orissa. (a) In kharif under soyabean in kharif fallows of Madhya Pradesh, Uttar (b) Substitution of minor millets with Pradesh Rajasthan, Bihar, Andhra sunflower in Andhra Pradesh, Written Answers BHADRA 14.1 91 3 (SAKI) Written.Answers 19Y Maharashtra, Karnataka and Tamil mentation of Oilseeds Production Nadu and inter cropping with Programme". groundnut in Gujarat. Expansion of area under castor on Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat. (c) Expansion of area under Toria as a Waiting list for Telephone Connections short duration catch crop between at Barelly ~elephoneExchangeIn U.P. kharif and rabi in Northern States including Madhya Pradesh, (ii) 5827. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR Rapeseed mustard as pure crop GANGWAR: ~fliihs'~~ist~r6f~dT~~~~I~ diverting the marginally irrigated m0mSepleased to state: area under wheat in Northern States, inter cropping with autmn (a) the capacity of the Bareilly Tele- sugarcane, gram, potato etc, and phone Exchange in Uttar Pradesh and the introduction in non-traditional ar- number of telephone connections provided eas. therefrom during the last three years; (d) Under rabi, sunflower in Andhra (b)the number of personson thewaiting Pradesh, Karnataka, Maharashtra list for telephone connections in Bareilly at and as spring sunflower in Uttar present; and Pradesh, Punjab and Haryana. (c) the time by which the waiting list is (e) RabPsummer groundnut in com- likely to be cleared? mand irrigated areas of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Karnataka, etc. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) Capacity - 9900 lines (1) Rabilsummer sesamum in Andhra Telephone connections provided during last Pradesh, Maharashtra, Karnataka, 3 years - 3605. Orissa and West Bengal. (b) Present waiting list-946. (g) Safflower as a pure crop in com- mand areas and under limited (c) By 31 March 1994. moislre conditions, and in rainfed areasof Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, [English] ( ? Orissa etc. Revision of F~odgrai~~~Production Package qqmach Target Increase in production through the 5828. SHRI GEOJRGE FERNANDEZ optimum and timely use of basic Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be inputs, timely sowing and irrigation pleased to state: at critical stages of growth. (a) whether the Government have re- The above strategy isbacked up by vised the target for foodgrains production We input support services provided during the current year due to drought con- to the henthrough the imple- dition prevailing in many parts of country; 195 ~Ans~SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Wmen Answers 196 @) H 80, the details therd; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE: (SHRI (c) whether Government are aware of MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) the unemployment among agricultural la- and (b). No, Sir. The targets for 1991-92 bourera as a result of the drought; and remainsal182.5milliontonnesforfoodgrains production comprising Rice - 76.5, wheat - (d) il so, the measures taken by the 56.5, Coarse Cereals - 34.0 and Pulses 15.5 Government in this regard? million tonnes. Cropwise and Statewise breakup is given in the attached statement Andhra Pradesh Atunachal Pradesh Assam Bihar Goa Gujarat Haryana Himachal Pradesh Jammu & Kashmir Kamataka Kerala Madhya Pradesh Maharashtra Manb'Jr Meoahya ?4@K-%!r&en Answers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Written Answers 200 QQOO oo(o.-ommo "22828"!F Q b 2 a CY -r -98:; m (V IXoi(V%d*m~amOOmO(D- 9 a0 - - N XIOIX 3 ma $$~$~~~aOOOO~2o o 882In - 0 99 m $19 'I I C mOOO~m00 0 7 r b 2~2lIl~-a oooomoooooo ocuco .t "O'YY* 9 9 P aqr (0 "XX~0T. 07 ,zoo V) = =I a iut, U) 201 WriBew-~s BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Winen Answers 202 203 ~~ SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WAlkmAnahts 204 (c) and (d) Inthe States where monsoon (d) The findings of the inquiry report and became erraticafter advanced rains in June, the details of the action taken thereon are agrkuhutal IaboureWfarm workers were being ascertained from the Union Territory engaged in the programmes sponsored by Administration. Ministy of Rural Development under wage 3-09 empbyment and self employment pro- Tolecorn FacllRles In Andaman and -.L"-- U gramme belng run by the State Govern- - Nlcobar Islands ments. In the States of U.P and Bihar where sltuatbnwas more acute agricultural labour- 5830. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: enwere employed through implementation Will the Minister of CO~MU~CATK)NSbe of this programme to benefi them. pleased to state: -2 0 ??, Fkod and Cyclone Reliefs to Victims in (a) the target dates which were fixed for .-+---- Andaman.-+---- and Nlcobar Island8 extending telecommunicationfaciliiies (other than port Blair and Car Nbbar Islands) in 5829. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: the Union Territory of Andaman & Nicobar Will the Minister of %$'~'EU~~URE~'~Islands; pbased to state: (b) the actual achievements thereof; (a) whether fbod and cyclone reliefs disbursed to the victims in Andaman and (c) whether the Government propose to Nicobar Islands were incomplete and some provide STD facilities toother Islands leav- of the victims absent on that date were not ing Port Blair and Car Nicobar where STD is subsequently paid; already in existence; and @) if so, the reasons therefor; (d) il so, the details programmes In this regard? (c) whether large number of complaints were received and the Andaman and Nico- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE bar Administration ordered a Magisterial in- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS:(SHRI quiry; and FUUESH PILOT): (a) it has been planned to extend telecommunication facilities in An- (d) if'so, the findings of the inquiry and daman & Nicobar Islands by 31st. March, the action taken by the government thereon? 1992. (b) Thetelecommunicationfacilities have THE MINSTER OF STATE IN THE been extended to:- MlNlSTRY OF AGRICULTURE: (SHRI 1. Goracharma MUUAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) to (c). The relief assistame was to be distrib- uted by Heads of Departments in the pres- etm of area Councilor aaxrrding to a time schedule for disbursement. Some of the personsdid not turn upfor receivingthe relief 4. Brichganj rrriotance thenotified time. A magisterial inquiry into certain allegations d irregularity 5. Mayabander was eho orderud. Hen@ fuither disburse mmt of KIM assistance was withheld. 6. Campbet Bay ! (c) Yes Sir. changes in Pune District, 20 ; are already Electronic Ex- (d) It has been planned to provide STD changes. facilities to Campboll Bay 8 Noncowrie (Kamorta) by 31st.March,92. (ii) 77 Small and Medium capac= '2.35 ity exchanges are planned to New l?eglonrl pauport office In to be modornisod and ex- Pune,Mahrrashtra panded progressively during I___- 1991-95. 5831. SHRl ANNA JOSHI: Will the Min- herof wTBVUKXF-~ pleased to (iii) 5 main existing electronk ex- state: changes are planned for ex- pansion during 1991-95. (a) whether the Government proposeto f3j'k%ctkkk+@, {~kk%r,:~fj ,< open a new Regional Passport office in Cgarcane Produalon Pune, Maharashtra; and 5833. SHRl ANNA .,JOSH1 ,* -I znr : Will the (b) if so, the details thereof? Minister of AZ~~RICUL~UREbe pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNALAFFAIRS: (SHRI (a) the production of sugarcane during EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) No, Sir. 1990-91 in Maharashtra Distrii-wise; (b) Does not arise. (b) whether the production of sugar- ,E3&C &\-,+ 0" \G :A-'%c, cane has increasd/decreased in certain Expandonand Modernlsatlon of districts, if so, details thereof; and ~ele~honrExchange8 in Pune (c) whether some sugar factories are 5832. SHRl ANNA JOSHI: Will the Min- unable to crush the sugarcane; if so, the ister of COM?~~~~RTA;TITJW~"~~pleased to names of those sugar factories? state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether there is any plan to expand MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE ( SHRl and modernisetelephoneexchanges in Pune MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) District of Maharsshtra; and and (b). A Statement giving districtwise esti- mates of production of sugarcane during @) il so, the details thereof? 1990-91 and 1989-90 in Maharashtra is Annexed. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS: (SHRI (c) Yes, Sir. The names of facbriea In WESHPILOT): (a) Yes Sir. Mahrrashtra which were unable to crush some sugarcane during the season 1990-91. (b) (i) Out d total 107 telephone ex- are as follows : Di8tnlct Name of the Sgar Factory Jagdamba Cooperative Sugar Mill Srigonda Cooperative Sugar Mil 207 WwltenAMw SEPTEMBER 5,1991 . Written Answers 208 District Name of the Sugar Factory 2. Pune Bhima Shakari Sugar Karkhana . 3. Sholapur Sideshwar Cooperative Sugar Mill Warna Cooperative Sugar Mill 4. Aurangabad Sant EK-Nath Cooperative Sugar Mill, Sideshwar Cooperative Sugar Mill, Siloda. Ambedogai Cooperative Sugar Mill Jai Bhavani Cooperative Sugar Mill Kada Cooperative Sugar Mill Madalgaon-Free zone (No factory). 6. Osmanabad Terna Cooperative Sugar Mill 7. Parbhani Purna Cooperative Sugar Mills Marathwada Cooperative Sugar Mill, Dudna. 8. Vovtmal Vasant Cooperative Sugar Mill, Pusada. 9. Latur Killari Cooperative Sugar Mill. STATEMENT Districtwise Assessment of Production of Sugarcane during 1989-90 and 1990-91 in Maharashtra ('000 Toones) District 1989-90. 1990-9 1 Nasik Dhule Jalgaon Ahmednagar Pune Solapur 1 Written Answers BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA) Written Answers 210 Sang li Kolhapur Aurangabad Jalna Beed Latur Osmanabad Nanded Parbhani Buldhana Akola Amravati Yevatmal Ward ha Nagpur Bhandara Chandrapur State Total: 34008.3 38416.2 (a) the details of the ongoing mapr and [Translation] 2 09 medium irrigation projects in Uttar Pradesh; Ongoing I-Projects In Uttar (b) the progress made on those projects Pradesh so far; and - Will 5834.SHRI RAJVEER SINGH, the Minister '6f WATER RESOURCES be (c) the time by which those are likely to pleased to state: be completed? 21 1 Wrirren Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answam 212 THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- details of appraised on- going Kajor md SOURCES: (SHRI VIDYACHARAN medium irrigation projects d Uttar Prade6h SHUKLA): (a) to (c). A Statement giving is attached. BHADRA 14,1913 (SAM) WrlhnAnsrvws 214 !!? !!? Nameof Ptq.ed Latest Expenditurn Expenditurn Recommended Ultimate Potential Potential Target P&n of andStatus d Estimated upto end of during outlay for Potential created created Potentid competbn APPfDd wst Vll Plan 1990-91 1991-92 upto end during for 3 of Vll Plan 199691 199 1-92 1 5. Rajghat Dam 106.83 79.83 5.00 6.00 vlll plan % - (Uttar Pradesh - - - - , share 50%) (A) 6. Bansagar Dam 1 12.00 47.35 5.00 5.00 - - - - Spilling (4 over to IX Plan m a 7. Urmil Dam 23.23 15.06 2.00 4.00 4.77 - 1.00 - 1992-93 (Uttar Pradesh m 40 % share (A) 1P VI 8. Gandak Canal 140.20 125.24 2.50 6.00 308.39 305.1 4 0.50 1.00 1992-93 (A) -.w 9. Sharda 869.70 659.51 49.00 42.50 1582.00 1 082.98 30.00 25.00 Spilling Sahayak over to Canal (A) IX Plan 10. Madhya 356.55 236.00 25.00 27.00 178.00 84.98 18.00 18.00 1994-95 Ganga Canal Stage b3 (1) (A) 2 f1. Saryu Nahar 101 0.00 293.60 24.00 40.00 1404.00 34.00 15.00 20.00 Spilling Pariyojana(A) over to IX Plan !2 12. Eastern Ganga223.52 1 18.91 15.00 20.00 105.00 19.67 8.00 10.00 1994-95 Canal (A) 217 Written Ansllners BHADRA 14.191 3 (SAKA) Written Answers 218 SEPTEMBER 5,1991 221 Whf! Answers - BHAORA 14,1913 (SAKA) WnRten Answets 222 (c) if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE , 5835.SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will the MINISTRY COMMUNICATIONS:(SHRI Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). Targets and to date: achievements d STD PCOs statewise is (a) the details of the public telephones given in the attached statement. The depart- (P.C.Os.) with STD facility proposed to be ment has licensed agenciestindividuals to installed in the country during 1989 and instal and operate at their cost. 1990, statewise; @) whether these P.C.Os have been (c) The main reasons for shortfall in installed and if so, the expenditure incurred achievement of targets is shortage of equip- thereon; and ment and technical feasibility. STATEMENT B0 Infonnatbnregarding STD PCOs during 1989-90 and 1990-91 - - - Teleoom Ci~Ees . Achievements Targets Achievements $ Andbra Pradesh Assam Bihar Gujarat Himachal Pradesh Haryana Jammu & Kashmir Kerala Karnataka Maharashtra Madhya Pradesh North East Orissa ~5 written AnS wers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 226 227 wmnhwpn SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Wrifton Anom 228 Stand Takm by Organlsatlon of @) Someof the recently evolved drought blamk ~ountrlrs.on J & K resistant varieties are Gimar-1 in groundnut, Vaibhjav in Mustard, Malviya Kusum in Saf- [English] flower and Kiran in linseed. 5836. SHRIL----& SUDHlR SAWANT: Will the (c) Under the Seed Act 1966, the Seeds Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased of notified varieties are being certified by 19 to state: Seed Certification Agencies and are being (a) the stand taken by the Organisation supplied to the farmers through public and of Islamic countries in relation to Jammu & private seed agencies in the country. * Kashmir problem; and -pi Commemorative Postal Stamj on @) whether the Ram Janam Bhwmil "Veer Damodar (ISavarkar Babri Masjid issue has adversely affected India's relation with traditional friends in the 5838. SHRI DATTATRAYA BANDARU: Islamic Block? Wll the M~~~&~~~MUNICATK)N~ pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOFEXTERNALAFFAIRS: (SHRI (a) whether the Government propose to EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) The 20th Islamic issue a commemorative postal stamp on Foreign Ministers' Conference held in Ig- 'Veer Damodar Savarkaf a great freedom tanbul on August 3 - 8,1991 has passed a fighter; and resolution on situation in Jammu & Kashmir which Is onesided and.totally unacceptable (b) if so, when it is likely to be issued? b India. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE @) No, Sir. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS: (SHRI ..". ..". RAJESH PILOT): (a) and (b). No, Sir. A 3%' Drought resistant oilseeds commemorative stamp has already been R issued on Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, the 5837. SHRI SUDHIRSAWANT: Will the great freedom fighter popularly knows -_--1 Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to asveer Savarkar', on 28th May 1970. There 8tate: is no proposal to bring out another stamp on (a) whether CAR have formulated any drapirnefor developing drought resistant Carhewnut Pkntatlon (nrkties of oibeds; 5839. DR.KARTIKESWAR PAMWill c--- c--- -.. - . (b)if so, the details thereof; and the Minister of AGRICULTURE-~~~~S~~ to state: (G) whether seed certification pro- m,m'es are proposed to be implemented (a) whether Centrally sponsored scheme b ur &&.to wide quality seeds to the on Cashewnut and Multi-State Cashew krmen? Projed with World Bank Assistance are be- lng implemented in the awntry; WE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINI&TRY Of AGRICWTURE: (SHRI @) If so, the funds allocated, state-wise KC.LEWA): (a) Ym, Sir. and achievements' made under these 220 BHAORA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Anrlvwr 230 ldwmer during last three years, year-wlse; mented till September, 1987. Md @) The Statewise -allocation of funds (c) the number of demonstrations car- and achievements made under Centrally ried out beducate framers, and the extent of Sponsored Package .Programme for Devel- planting materialsprovidedduflng the above opment of Cashew during 1988-90and Cen- period, State-wise? tral Sector Programme for lntegrated Devel- opment of Cashew in lndia during 1990-91 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are given in the attached Statement-I. MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE: (SHRI MULUPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) (c) The Statewise number of demon= Central Sector Programme for Integrated strations laid out and the number of planting Devebpment of Cashew in lndia is being materials provided for 1988-89,1989-90and implemented. The Multi-State Cashew Proj- 1990-91 aregiven in the attached statement- oct with World Bank assistance was imple- II. STATEMENT -I B-L Rs. in Lakhs 9'3 States Financial Target FinancialAchievement J b - Andhra Pradesh 31.591 27.337 2.321 12.688 16.060 1.496 3 Goa 1 1.569 9.81 7 9.203 5.464 8.045 8.918 Karnataka 38.71 6 29.158 8.1 73 Kerala 38.348 32.41 1 4.792 Madhya Pradesh 5.177 5.949 1.888 Maharashtra 9.913 10.514 3.872 OIissa 38.354 27.789 4.030 Tamil Nadu 35.1 95 30.084 9.336 20.1 76 29.298 9.931 Tripura West Bengal STATEMENT -II - Ef States No. of demonstratbns No. of planting materialpmvided 2 & 1988-89 1989-90 1990-91 1988-89 1989-90 1990-9 1 8 s 1. Kerala 815 51 1 350 - N.I. 16,000 g 2. Karnataka 305 134 175 N.I. 12,000 48,000 b 3. Andhra Pradesh 720 41 7 227 - - 4,800 4. Tamil Nadu 545 399 400 5. Maharashtra 510 51 6 250 6. Orissa 350 N.I. 150 7. Madhya ~radesh 123 34 47 8. West Bengal 135 100 100 Y. Tripura 184 84 150 - - - lo. Goa 300 264 220 20,000 50,720 64,000 f Total 3987 2459 2069 60,800 1,29,440 2,28,480 3 N.I. -Not Implemented XI W* Answers SEPTEMBER 6,1991 Writton Anrwen 238 ! 14:yr-~4 - In tenorist vblence remains qukt high. L $5 Kllllnga and Kldnrpplnga ln J & K 2. The State Government has informed that the total number of persons abducted in 5840. SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINOH: 1989,1990, and 1991 (upto 15.8.91) are SHRl---- MUKUL- - BAXRISHNA-1 ,I 69 and 192 respectively. Of them 67 wen killed In 1990 and 36 In 1991.4 persons are still in captivity of the terrorists. 3. 15 arrested terrorists were released Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be in exchange of release of abducted persons. pleased to state: (a) whether the cases of killings and (d) Additional powers have been vested kiinappings of innocent persons by the ter- in security forces and they have been appro- rorists inJammu and Kashmir have increased priaSely equipped. Their depbyment has been recently; increaged and patrolling intensified. (b) if so, the number of persons kid- ah napped in Jammu and Kashmir during last Openlng of Postpfflces In certain three years; ~lstrict&f Utter-.-.. ~radesh--... ---- (c) the number of kidnaped persons 5841. SHRl RAJNATH--- SONKAR killed, got released and still under militants SHASTFU;,WiIIL the Minister of COMMUN~: detention during the said period and the CATIONS be pleased to state: number of terrorists released in lieu thereof; and (a) the total number of post offices opened in Varanasi, Ghazipur and Jaunpur (d) the details of the concrete steps districts of Uttar Pradesh during 1988-89, being taken by the Government to make the 198990 and 1990-91; and security forces more strong to deal with the situation? (b) whether there is any proposal under the consideration of the Government toopen new post offices in these districts during THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1991-92and if so, the details thereof? MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. MINlSTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS:(SHRI JACOB): (a) to (c). While the abductions MESHPILOT): (a) The information is fur- have gone up, the number of persons killed nished as under:- No. of post offis opened durirrq 1988-89 1989-90 1990-91 1. Varanasi 2. Gharipur 3. Jaunpur 237 MWien Answem BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answen 238 @) During 1991-91, the number of post justification according to prescribed depart- offices proposes to be openedsubjed to mental norms is as under:-' Name of d&t& No. of post offices msedto be opened Extra departmental sub post offks branch post offices - 1. Varanasi 2. Ghasipur 3. Jaunpur 3 "-hew Telephone exchanges in Uttar Exchange and to connect it with the impor- Pradesh--_ _ - tant places in the country; and 5842. SHRl RAJNATH SONKAR._-.-- (d) if so, the details thereof? SHASTRI: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- CATIONS~~pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS: (SHRI (a) whether there is any proposal to set RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir except for up new telephone exchanges in Ghazjipur, Ghazipur. Varanasi, Jaunpur and Mirzapur districts of Uttar Pradesh; (b) A place is identified for provision of a newtelephoneexchange in rural areas when (b) if so, the details thereof; the registered paid demand reaches 10. (c) whether the Government propose to The places identliedsofaron theabove increase the capacity of Kerakal Telephone basis are as below:- S.k. Name of Exchange place Name of District 1. Shivapuram Varanasi 2. Samath Varanasi 3. ltauribazar . Jaunpur 4. Kotwa Rai Mirzapur (c) & (d). Yes, Sir. Expansion of existing mASTFJl: Will the Minister of HOME AF- exchange at KERAKAT is planned during FAIRS be pleased to state: 1992-93 and its connection to important (a) the percentage of jawans belonging to Scheduled Castes and scheduled Tribes =ST Jawans Worklng in Para-Military working in various para-Military Forces; @) whether their number is adequate; 5843. SHRl RAJNATH SONKAR- and 239 Wtitten Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 240 (c) If not, the steps being taken to en- ' AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- oourege more and more Scheduled Castes TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. and Scheduled tribes into those forces? JACOB): (a) The percentage of Jawans be- longing to SCsISTs in para-Military Forces is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE as follows:- MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (0 ITBP (ii) ClSF (iii ) CRPF (w BSF (v) Assam Rifles 15% 7.5% @) Their number is adequate except in sons on the waiting list for the telephone the case of Scheduled Tribes in the ITBP. In connections in Rampur District of Uttar case of Scheduled Castes the representa- Pradesh as on 31.3.91 is 159. tion is marginally below 15% in CRPF & BSF. (b)They are planned to be provided with (c) After giving wide publicity, intensive recruitment drives are being regularly car- ried out in certain Border Districts of UP and "' Areas Affected by Floods HP in addition to various other places where ST population is more. 5845. SHRl RAJENDRA KUMAR %\.="\ -SHARMA: - -. - --- -. xih he-~inisier of WA=E~--' New T'Connectlons In Rampur SOURCES be pleased to state the extent of District of --Utter Pradesh increase in the areas affected by flood as .--.-- during last three years? 5844. SHRI RAJENDRA KUMAR -SH -..-- ARMA: %e MhisTei-mX&iii~i- CATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- SOURCES: (SHRI VIDYACHARAN (a) the number of persons on the wait- SHUKLA): There has been no increasing ing tist for the telephone connections in trend noticed in the areas affected by floods. Rampur District of Uttar Pradesh; and The flood affected areas reported during the last three years are as under:- (b) the time by which they are likely to be provided with telephone connedions? 1988-89 162.90 lakh hectares THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 1989-90 80.60 lakh hectares MINJSTRYOF~MUNICATDNS:' ~HRI WESH PILOT): [a) The number of per- 1990-91 93.03 lakh hectares 241 Written Answers BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAICII) Written Answers 242 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS:(SHRI Electronic Telephone Exchange at RAJESH PILOT): (a) No special study has Joggaiahpeta, Andhra Pradesh been undertaken. 5848. SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA (b) Does not arise. RAO-VADDE Will the Minister of COMMU- NICATIONS be pleased to state: (c) Yes, Sir. (a) whether there is any proposal to set (d) At present there are twelve C-DOT up an electronic automatic exchange at 128 port exchanges working in Krishna Dis- Joggaiahpeta in Andhra Pradesh; and trict. It is proposed to commission 8 nosof 128 port C-DOT.exchanges during 1991-92 (b) if so, the date by which it is likely to at the following places tentatively subject to start functioning ? availability of equipment:- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 1. Banthumilli MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS: (SHRI RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes, Sir A 1500 lines 2. Chinnapuram Electronic Exchange is proposed to be set up in Joggaiahpeta in Andhra Pradesh. 3. Moturu (b)The exchange is likely to be commis- 4. Koduni sioned in 1993-94. 5. Chandralapadu lephone Exchanges in Krishna Dlstrlct ofhdhra Pradesh 6. Jamilgolvepalli 5847. SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA 7. Mustabad RAO VADDE: Will the Minister of COMMU- SiGn0Xbepleased to state: 8. Kuchipudi. (a) whether any study has been made in It is further Proposed to install C-DOT to the functioning of C-DOT system in rural MAX exchanges at areas; 1. Gudivada (b) if so, the details thereof; 2. Joggaiahpeta (c) whether the Department propose to provide C-DOT telephone exchanges in 3. Machilipatnam some places in Krishna District of Andhra Pradesh; 4. Nuzvid (d) if solthe details thereof; and during 8th Five Year Plan (e) the date by which the Tiruvuru ex- (e) STD at Tiruvuru is likely to provided change is likely to be provided with direct after automatisation and building upof stable dialling facility with Vijayawada? media by 1993-94. 243 W&en Answen, SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 244 2J-q Tokphona Connections InVljayawada (c) the extent to which shortago of ed- City of Andhra Pradesh ible oils is likely to be removed as a result ---- "-- thereof? 5848. SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA NO will the Minist8307 CO-MBO- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE NlCAnONS be pleased to state: MlNISTRY OF AGRICULTURE: (SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) (a) the number of applicants on the No, Sir, waiting list for new telephone connections during last two years in Vijayawada City of @) and (c). In view of the above, the Andhra Pradesh; question does not arise. @) the steps taken to clear the waiting list; and -kL"-' Licences for Possession of Flre (c) the time by which the waiting list is Arms likely to be cleared? 5850. SHRl SYED SH&H_ABUDDIN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE to state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS: (SHRI MESHPILOT): (a) The number of appli- (a) the number of licences for posses- cants on the waiting list for new telephone sion of fire arms, separately for non-prohib- connections during last two years in Vijaya- ited or prohibitedbores. issued during 1990- wada Ciy are:- 91 ,State-wise: (i) As on 31.3.1 990 = 5466 @) whether the Union government pro- pose to lay down any uniform policy or guide- (ii) As on 31.3.1991 - 5858 line in this regard; and @) and (c). Expansion plans have been (c) 1 so, the details thereof? drawn for clearing the waiting lii progres- sively by March, 1995. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) A statement is annexed. 5849. SHRI RAM SeYgAI: Wil @) and (c). Ce* Government has the Minister of AGRJCULTURE be pleased laid down police guidelines far the hue of licencee for prohibited bore [email protected] cences for prohibitedbore weapons are now (a) whether the Government propose to issued by the CentralGovernment in resped import groundnut olin cooperation with the of the fdbwtrg categories- Natkrral Dairy Development Board; Q) Army Onicers who were allotted such @) il so, the price and quantity of we- from army quota prior to June, groundnut dl propadto be imported; and 1982; 24s WnaOnAns~ BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) wrlnen ~nsk246 (ii) legal heirs of decsased licence hold- The liincingpowers for non-prohibited mi bore weapons have been delegated b the State GovtslUTGovts JAdministrations and - (iii) persons who have grave and immi- they are competent to lay down their own nent threat to their lives by anti-national and policy guidelines taking into considerationall knorist elements. the relevant factors like the genuine need of The above policy gukielines are unifor- the applicants, maintenance of public peace mally applicable all over the country. and safety and other local factors. STATEMENT Statement Showing Detai'Es of Licences for Prohibited Bore Weapons Granted by The Central Government During The Period 1- 1- 1990 to 3 1-8-1991 SI. No. Nsme of StateNnion Territory Number of P.B. licences granted Andhra Pradesh 0 1 Arunachal Pradesh 02 Assam Nil Bihar 01 Goa Nil Gujarat 03 Haryana 08 Himachal Pradesh 07 Jammu 8 Kashmir Nil Karnatakti 04 Kerala 05 Madhya Pradesh Maharas htra Manipur Meghalaya Mizoram Nwaland Nil 247 Writen Answers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Written Answers 248 SI. No. Name of StateNnion Territory Number of P. 6. licences granted Orissa Nil Punjab 202 Rajasthan 05 Sikkim Nil Tamil Nadu 01 Tripura Nil Uttar Pradesh 03 West Bengal 06 A & N Islands Nil Chandigarh 13 D & N Haveli Nil Daman & Diu Nil Delhi 58 Lakshadweep Nil Pondicherry Nil Total 324 No information is available with refer- (a) the number of unauthorised guest- ence to the number of licences granted in house in Delhidetectedduringlasttwo years; respect of non-prohbied bore weapons as year-wise; these are issued by the concerned State GovernmentsNT Administrations under the (b) the number of authorised guest- delegated powers. houses opened in Delhi during the above period, year-wise; and [Translation] LJ (c) the criteria laid down for issuance of Guest House In Nlhi------'No-Objection CertificatesWtoguest-houses? 5851. SHRI ARJUN SlNGH YADAV: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~R~~ARIKEWALPRASAD: MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS %. " - AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. pleased to state: JACOB): (a). The Delhi Police have reported 249 mhsmw BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 250 set up new te!ephone division of Ghazipur @ Jaunpur in Jaunpw by decentralizing Robortsganj, Ghazbr, Bhadohi, Mirzapur and Jaunpur Telephone Cirde Oniceof Uttar Pradesh; and (b) il so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHR1 MESH PILOT): (a) No, Sir. There is no such proposal. @) Does not arise. @) The number ad euhhd guest- houses opened in Mi during the aforesaid periodisasundec- Restrktbn on entry and exit of Persons from the Country 5853. SHRI RAM Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether the number of persons on whom restridions on the entry into and exit from the country imposed is increasing; (c) The Dehi Police has reported that @) il so, the number of persons on regulations have been framed regarding whom such restrictions has been imposed plaessdprrbliEwhrbhedhtheUrrion during the current year; and tenibry d Dehi which inter& redate bthe suitabilily d the applicant, fhsd the (c) the action taken by the Government bcaByandthepboewhid,irproposedto b redwe this number? beusedkrthepurpo#,daertainment WhiledoterminkrgtheihssdthobcaYy ME MINISTER OF STATE IN ME andthe~,thepdice~alsoMWISlRYOF PARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS o&h 740 ObjdiCertidiEates-from the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) to (c). Restridions on the entry exh of persons are imposed on securky. economic etc. aonsiderations. Such restrb tions are imposed by verious agencies. & is, theratore, not posshha to say the number of pmms on whom such restrictions have been imposed at a given time. The matter, however, is reviewed form time to time. 251 WIIZden A~WWS SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WrRtenAnswrm 252 I m&i?r"F- -9 Fonlgnsn having Inks with CIA and targets for Delhi criminals' appeared in the LlTE Apprehended Hindu dated 4th July, 1991. The news item primarily related to the murders d the aged 5854.SHRl SHARVAN KUMARPATEL: and the elderly people in Delhi. Wil the Minister of mME mrbe pleased to state: @) During the period from 1.1.1991 to 15.8.1991. 13 aged women and 11 aged (a)whethersomeforeignershaving links men were murdered by criminals. with CIA and LTTE have been apprehended in Bombay in July this year; (c) A senior Citizens Security Scheme has been introduced. All senior citizens have @) if so. the details thereof; and been identified beat-wise and diisii~lvise in every police station. Beat staff of the (c) the reaction of theGovemment tbre PoliStation visit these senior citizens to to along-with action taken in this regard? offer them advice on security steps to be taken by them and for their reassurance. MEMINISTER OF STATE IN THE They are advised to have all possible home MNISTRYOF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS security devices like magic-eye, door4ab1, AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- burglar alarm. to raise their boundary walls, TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. fix iron grills in their doors & windows and to JACOB): (a) and @). No such report has have the antecedents of their servantstlo- mme to notnatke. mestic help verified. (c) Do not arise. 2. For the education of the public, these measures are circulated freely through printed pamphlets. 5855 -2-CHRl. SHRAVAN KUMAR- PATEL. 3. Meetings with ResidentsmWeflare Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Asodatiins are held where such pleased to state: preventive measures aredi and areas of cooperation between (a) whether attentionof the Government the public and the polka are iden- has been drawn to the news item captioned tified. 'Essy Targetsfor Ddhi Criminals' ap~earing in the Hindu dated July 4.1991; 4. The antecedents d senrants and other domestic help working with @) 1 so. the number of old men and the senior citiizens are verified. women hit by criminals during this year; and 5. During the beat and division pa- (c) the effective steps taken by the trolng, spedvigd is kept al the Government in this regard? premises d the senior citizens. ,&*?*-A&%or;(.4,0&)hrl InWnatknal Team of Experts to dudy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME CIrdo kr HlrakW Dam MWISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE HTHE MINIS- 5856. SHRl RABI RAYL Wd the Miib TRY OF HOME AFFAlRS (SHRI M.M. tsrd WATER RESOURCES be pleased to JACOB): (a) A news item ca@nd 'Easy m: 253 Wrilten Answets BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Wrirten Answers 254 (a) whether the Governme4 of Oria of the increased price was not cornered by has sought the approval of the Union Gov- traders, the Government announced that ernment to form an intematianal team of stocks held by retail dealers prior to the price ,bxpertsto study the aadodeveloped in the revisbn Notification, would be sold at the Hirakund Dam over river Mahanadi in pre-revised prices. This led to some corn- Sambalpur district of Oriisa; and ' plaints about hoarding and black marketing, especially from Andhra Pradesh. @) if so, the details thereof and the readion of the Union Governmerd thereto? The Government of India' issued in- structions to the State Governments/U.Ts to THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- ensure the identification of retail stocks, and SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN their sale at pre-revisedprices. Subsequently, SHUKLA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A proposal by its Notification date 14th August, 1991 for the formation of an International Team of further revising the fertiliser prices, the Experts to study the aacks'devel~~edin the Government also instructed that stocks held Hirakund Dam over river Mahanadi in by retailers or wholesalers other than manu- Sambalpur district of Orissa was received facturers or pool handling agents, and ac- from Government of Orissa in November, quired at pre-25th July, 1991 prices, shall be 1990. The Government of Orissa has been sold by at the pre-25thJuly, 1991 prices. The requested to reconsider its proposal as Government of India again issued detailed Hiiakund Dam Cracks Review Panel com- instructions to the State GovernmentsAJ.Ts prising of Indian Experts has already been to ensure the supply of thesefertilisers to the hstituted by them in August. 190. Gov- farmers at the correct prices. ernment of Orissa has not communicated its -247 decision. mid< Customer Servlce Centres of L.,s j MML In Delhl Blackmarketing and Hoarding of - - 5858. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. BHONSLE: will the ~inisterof COM~U-" 5857. SHRIRABI RAY: Will the Minister -NCATIONS be pleased to state: of AGRIC- pleased to state: (a) whether M.T.N.L. has set up some (a) whether farmers at present are Quick/Computerised Customer Service affeded by hoarding and blackmarketing of Centres in Delhi; fertilizers; (b) if so, the details thereof; @) if so, the details thereof; and (c) the timings of these centres to deal with grievances of subscribers; (c) the steps the Government have taken to ensure adequate supply of fertilizers to (d) whether the Government propose to farmers ad fair price? set up such centres in Maharashtra; and THE MINISTER OF STATE tN THE (e) if so, the details thereof and if not, the INI IS TRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI reasons therefor? MUUAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) to (c). In pursuance of the B-et announce- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment, tertiliser prices were revised w.e.f. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 25th July, 1991. The ensure thal the benefk RAlESH PILOT): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir.' 18 255 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Written Answers 256 QuiiService Centres and 9 computerised (Monday-Friiay) on all working days. The customer Sewice Centres are functbning in sewice provided by these centres are given Delhi. Details of their bcatians is given in in the atteed Statement-ll. Annexure the attached Statement4 (d) and (e). Yes. Sir. At present 34 (cr The timings of the Quid Service Quidt Customer Service Centres are func- Centres is from 9.30 AM. to 5.00 P.M. tioning inBombay and 8 Quick Sewice Centre (Monday-Salurday)except 2nd Satwday and in the remaining part of Maharashtra. Also 2 that of Computerised Customer Service computerised customer senrice centres are Centres is from 10.00 AM. to 4.00 P.M. functioning at Pune and Ahmednagar. I. Qucik Customer Service Centres in Delhi Z Exchanaes covered Locations b Janpath and Kiiwai Bhawan group of exchanges Connaught Place (under shift to Mohan Singh Palace) Sena Bhavan, Rajpath exchanges Shastri Bhavan Jorbagh and Lodhi Road Defence Colony under bridge Delhi Gate Delhi Gate exchange at Asaf Ali Road Laxmi Nagar Laxmi Nagar exchange Shahdara Shahadara Exchange ldgah group of exchanges ldgah exchanges All exchanges of Tiz Hazarl Tiz Hazari exchange All exchanges of Shakti Nagar Rohini, Alipur, Badli. Narela, Shakti Nagar exchange Lawrence Road Chanakyapuri 11 A, Safdarjung Endave Hauz Khaz, Chhatarpur, Vasant Kunj Hauz Khaz exchange Okhla Group of exchanges Okhla exchange Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 260 - BHADRA 14.1913 (SAKA) Wriften Answers 262 8I Rehtionshlp with Bangladesh THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE - MINISTRY ff COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 5859. SHRl PRATAPRAO 6. RAJESH PILOT): (a) Yes Sir. (a) whether the Government propose to take any new measures to strengthen the bilateral relationship ahBangladesh; and 5861. PROF. PREM DHUMAL: Will the @) 1so, the details thereof? ~inisterof--pleased to state: ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Gwemment propose to MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI aompecrsabe the E.D. Mail caniers and E.D. EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). The packers who perform duty beyond their Government accords hgh priority to en- prescrbed duty hours; hancing our relations with 8angladesh. At @) 1 so, the details thereof. and the invitation of the External Affairs Minister the Foreign Minister of Bangladesh visited (c) il not the reasons therefor? India from 26-29 August. 1991. In-depth discussbns were held on matters of mutual THE MINISTER Of STATE IN THE interest and on the steps to be taken for the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI further strengthening of Indo-Bangladesh RAJESH PILOT): (a) No. Sir. relations. Two economic agreements. one on the Avoidance d double Taxation and the other on the extension of a Rs. 30 are credit to Bangladeshwere also signed dur- (c) The terms d senrice of ED Agents ing the visii and the naturedduties enbustedto them as +L~,,-- 3 also the manner in they are performed % 'a ? r AYP-~JYP; ~i-+ which ~omenhtureof Extra Departmental do not call for paymen) of 0-T.A bJia 2-i :p LJ popubiion 5860. PROF. PREM DHUMAL: Withe Minister ATION IONS be pleased 5862. SHRlMATl QJL_ KUMARI to stale: BHANDARI--..A. =the Minister of *=- TURE be phSdto state: (a) whether a pFoposal to change the numendature of the Extra Department (a) whether yak popuLatDn in the an- Agents was amsidered on April 4.1991 in a tryisdwindiirg; meeting between the representafives ol the Ministry, Bhartiya Postal Employees Ulrion @) whether the Government have Postmen and Class IV and Bhartiya ED ~anycerrwsdyaks~in Enrpbyees Union; and Sld @) if so, the oubcome thereof and the (c)the steqs takem by the Govemmenp acaPn taken thereon? b~lheydrpopulation? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME @)thedetails of the minerah exporbd; MlNlSTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI KC. arrd LENKA): (a) No. Sir. (c)the share d Bihar Government fm @)Yes, Sk kuxdihgtothe Fourteenth the imme earned by export during last Lives&d< Census, the popuhtion of yak in three years, year-wise? swim was 5354. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) As the Yak population in the country MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM has not shown decline over the years. the SINGH YADAV): (a) The quantity and value Government have not tdcen any steps so far of dierent minedproduced in the Stated to increase their population. Bhar during 1988.1 989 and 1990 are given in the attached Statement-l @) The figwes and value oS principal minerals exportedfrom India during 1985-86 to 1987-88 are given in tte attached State- 5863. SHRI LWT ORAON: Will the ment-ll Minister of MINES be pleased tod&te: (c)Whde royalty and other State levies (a) the details of the minerals expbied on the minerals accrue to the State Gw- in Bihar during I+ three years. year-wise emment. the kameearned form the export abngwith their total value; goes to the irtdiiual exporter of mined. STATEMENT - I MjneralProduction In Bihar. 1986 to 1990 (Valuein Rs. YKIO) Mineral Unit of 1988 1989 1990 (P) Quantity Quantitjf Value Quanrily Value Quantky Value - BaV- Tonne Bauxite Tonne Coal '000 tonnes Copper ore Tonne Dobmite Tonne Felspar Tonne Fireclay Tonne Gold Kg Graphite (r.0.m.) Tonne Kaolin Tonne Mineral Unifof 1988 1989 1990 (P) Quantity Quantity Value Quantity Value Quantiry V'ue Kyanite Tonne Iron ore '000 Tonnes 69,98,22 77,27,13 79,92,60 Limestone Tonne 21,38,10 22,73,16 15,54,98 Manganese ore Tonne 3389 29,46 30,86 Mica (crude) Tonne 1,43,08 1,51,79 1,40,81 Mica (Waste & Tonne N.A. N.A. N.A. =rap)' Ochre Tonne Pyrites Tonne Quertite Tonne Quertzite Tonne Silica sand Tonne Silver Kg SEPTEMBER 5.1991 HW~JAnsllness 272 3 E a-c s- $38- ir; 3s- - z96 Mmal Unit of 1985-86 1986-87 1987-88 - I Ouantity 0uantk.y Value Ouantity Value Quantity Value 8g! Diamond (Mostly Carats N.A. N.A., Cut) Dobmite Tonne 7,786 7,569 3,175 Emerald Carats N.A. N.A. N.A. Felspar Tonne 16,781 20,033 44.,811 Felspar (gem) Carats N.A. N.A N.A. Garnet (Natural) Tonne 1,225 322, 1,320 Garnet (gem) Carats N.A. N.A. N.A. Graphite Ton ne 1,045 1,028 31 2 (Natural) Gypaum 6 Tonne 3,449 724 5,879 Plaster Ilmanltall Tonne 17,956 14,605 42,532 Iron ore Th.t 30,150 28,226 29.41 0 Kdn Tonne 8,329 5,713 16,638 aD "fa*- BHADRA 14,1913 (SAM) Written Anwm 282 nections as on 31.3.91 is: (i) in Distrid Tehri Garhawal, 7. (ii) in DistiiUttarkashi.33. (iii) 5864. SHRI LALIT ORAON: Will the in Chakrota exchange area, 2. (iv) in c Minister O~~NESbe pleased to state: Mussoorree exchange area 268. (Chakmta and Mussoorree Exchanges are in Dehra (a) the amount of cess realisedfrom the Dun District). bauxite mines of Lohardaga and Gumla districts in Bihar during the ktthree yqar; (b) Chakrota already has Electronic Exchange. The Manual exchange at @) whether there is any provision for Uttarkashiand ElectromechanicalExchange spending one per cent of such cess so at Mussoorree have been planed to be re- realised for the development of the area placedduring91 -92by Electmnicexchanges. where such mines are bcated; Replacement of other exchanges by Elec- tronic Exchange in thedistriiwill becarried (c) if so, the amount spent on the de- out progressivaly as per the policy of re- velopment of the above distiis; and placement of all the life expired exchanges. (d) the details of the devebpment work The waiting list is likely to be cleared by done so far? March 1993. aP2- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME New Job Opportunities In the Gulf MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM Countries - SlNGH YADAV): (a) to (d). The information -1- ._LL . is beii collected and will be hid on the 5866. SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHAU:--- Table of the House. Will the ~iniGGgff-AFFARS be pleased to state the steps taken by the Government to secure newpbopportunitiis tor Indians in the Gulf countries especially in Waltlng llst for tel&pg Connections Kuwait, Saudi. Arabia. Iran and Iraq? ME MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 5865. SHRI MANABENDRASHAH: Will MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be EDUARDO FALEIRO): The Government is pleased to state: in constant touch with both the Government (a) the number of applications on the and employers in the various Gulf countries waiting list for telephone connections in Us- to promote and secure newpb opportunities tridsdTehreGarhwa1, Uttarkashi, Ghakrota for lndian nahnak in those countries. Over and Mussoorree in U.P.; and 30,000 Indian nationals have returned to Kuwait, while there has been a substantial @) the time by which new electronic increase in the number of Indian nationals telephone exchanges are expected to be proceeding to other countries. particuhdy commissioned at tho above places and Saudi Arabia. telephone connections likely to be provided -& g?". 3 all applkatbns on the waiting list? Central Adstance far lnigatbn pro^ in or&-- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE CL-UL MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI 5867. WtI the WESHPILOT): (a) The number of applii- Minister of WATER RESOURCES be #om on the waiting list for telephone con- pleased to state the details d Central rssis- 283 WrfftenAnswers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Wn'ltenAnsmwo 204 tanceaskedfor by theGovemment of Orksa (c) Subject to availability of resources, I tor the implementation of irrigation projeds in a phased manner, better accommodation during last three years, year-wise? THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN SHUKLA): Central assistance is given to the 5869. SHRIMATISUSEELAGOPALAN: State in the form of Modc loans and grants Will the Minister of COMMU%~XDNS~P and is not tied to any particular sector of pleased to state: devebpment or project. Theoutlay proposed by the State Government during the Last (a) whether a decision has been taken three years for irrigation sector were as to instal sorting machines in RMS Offices; under:- Rs. in cmes @) if so, the cost of each machine and the country from which the Government 1988-89 220.68 propose to import such machines; and (c) the number of RMS offices which are being provided with this machine and the 199&91 287.71 number of employees likely to be rendered A n Q 1-w) ~~b~drrplusas a result thereof? 3 ',.: ". RMS Sorting Off Ices THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 5868. SHRlMATlSUSEELA-d: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI Will tho &&er of COMMUNICATKINS be RAJESH PILOT): (a) A decision has been pleased to state: taken to instal automatic integrated mail processing system in Bombay. (a) the number of RMS Sorting Oflii h thr country; @) This technology is available only in some developed countries and the equip @) whether all of them have the required ment has t0.b imported. Action for pro- atrudural accommodation wilh minimum curement d equipment is under way. Mliiecr and amenities; and (c) A study of the project for Bombay (c) if not, the steps being taken in this rhowthat85 sorters would become available ngsrd? for doploymont elso where to sort the rest d the non-machineable artides and increased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE &-bad in other spheres of Postal and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RMS activity, after the proposed equipment RAJESH PILOT): (a) Sir, there are 548 RMS isimw. - * Sorting ~~eerin thi country. ,. ,,-&;Wa1'1' - 't$l[\ i? FW~~~rbour at PIR~II~ @) Whik aooommodatbn b providedto rl FWlway Mail Sorting Oh,in the core 5870. SHRl GOPl NATH WAPATHt . d unRa fundbning in rented or Railway Will the Minister of premker, dw tovsrkur -raids, il is nat pleued to date: ~~toprovidederiredkveld kdlYkrmdamenltierhtham. (a) whether there b an abnormal delay 285 Wrhten Answen BHADRA 14,1913 (SAM) W&en Answers 286 in the wnstructbn d fishing harbour at [Translation] Paradip in Orissa; @) H so, the reasons therefor; and Agreement between lndla and Uzbekistan Republic of USSR (c) the likely date for completbn of the - constructbn of this harbour and the steps 5872. SHRI SIMON MARANDI: Will the taken by the Government In this regard? Minister of EXTERNALAFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether two agreements were MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI reached between India and Uzbekistan Re- MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) public of USSR recently; and and @). No, Sir. There is no delay so far in the construction of the fishing harbour at (b) if so, the main features thereof and Pradeep. the period of validity of these agreements? (c)Thefishing harbour projed is likely to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be completed by February, 1994. The MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI pmgrers of the fishing harbour is being EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes Sir. monitored by a Central Monitoring Commit- !.?; (&+&.+ (b) The Agreement on economic coop DL P. y ptliw. eration provides for appropriate measures r-' Demand and Supply of Mllk In Delhl by both sides to facilitate and develop on a stable and lasting basis inter-change in the 5871. SHRI K. THULASIAH economic, commercial, scientific-techno- VANDAYAR: Will the Minister of AGRl- logical and other spheres. -pleased to state: The agreement on cultural cooperation (a) the total daily demand and supply of provides for maintenance and strengthening milk in Delhi; and of mutual cooperation in the fields of culture arts, educatbn, science, tourism, sports and @) the total capacity of milk dairies in mass mdia. Delhi and the quantity of milk procured from neighbowing States? Both the Agreemeas are valid for five years and would stand extended for further THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE periods of five years if neither side notifies MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI K.C. the other of its decision to terminate them 6 LENKA): (a)Thetotalestimated daily demand months before the expify date. kr mik in Delhi irr 20-25 lakh her and the Wal average supply through Mother Dairy and Dehi Milk Scheme (DM) h but10.5 bkh litrer per day. @) The wmblnod installed capaciIy of 5873. SHRI RAJNATH SONKAR ___U_ 'Mother Dairy and Delhi Milk Scheme is 11.5 ~~~rn:-"" lakh lltm per day. The average daily pro= SHRIARJUN SlNGH YADAYb h...-- -,-.,.*- -.- -. wmment by thew two &irks from the SHRI MANABENDRA SHAH: noighbouring States and Delhi Coopentbe Will th~ni~mof'WAEFt%E. bietimb about 3.00 lakh kg& SOURCES be pleased to state: 287 WrittepAnswers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Ans wets 288 (a) the number of tubewells set up in Saidpur, Jaunpur and Dehra Dun during Uttar Pradesh especially in Saidpur and 1991-92 with World Bank assistance? Jaunpur Parliamentary Constituencies and Dehra Dun districts with the assistance from the World Bank; THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) The number of Tubewells set @)the number of tubewells out of them up in Uttar Pradesh with assistance from which are out of order; World Bank is 4799 of which 113 are in Saidpur Parliamentary Constituency, 26 in (c) the time by which those tubewells Jaunpur Parliamentary Constituency and 22 are likely to become operational; and in Dehradun district. (d) the number of tubewells proposed to (b) The number of tubewells out of order be set up in Uttar Pradesh especially in as on 26.8.91 are:- 1. Saidpur parliamentary Constituency 2. Jaunpur parliamentary Constituency 3. Dehradun district (c) The time by which tubewells out of order are likely to become operational: 1. Saidpur parliamentary Constluency 15 within 15 days and 8 within one month. 2 Jaunpur parliamentary Constituency 2 within 15 days and 2 within one month. 3. Dehradun District Wihin one month. (d) No tubewell has been proposed to have sneaked into Kashmir to supervise the be set up in Saidpur, Jaunpur parliamentary ongoing militant movement; and Constituency and Dehradun District of Uttar Pladesh during 1991-92 with WorM Bank @) if so, the details thereof and steps taken to nab them? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sneaking of Pak Military UWsinto MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS Kashmir AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. . 5874. SHRIMUNWAYA NAYAK: Will JACOB): (a) and (b). There are unconfirmed the ini is term^ AFFAIRS be pleased reports that some Pakistani military officers lo rtate: havg sneaked into the Valley. (a) whether diexperts of Pakistan Government has already stepped up 289 W&en Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAM) Written Answers 290 vigil on the border to check infiltration. Gov- Administration. Thesevans have been placed ernment of Jammu 81Kashmir has identified with the DistrictsKraffi Units of the Delhi vulnerable pockets and active gangs for Police and are stationed at stratagic points gearing up anti-terrorist operations, for shifting the victims of road accidents, organising Naka ambubhes and effective natural calamities, riots, etc. to the hospital. deployment of para-military forces in the These vans also administer necessary affededlsensitive pockets. Day and night medical aid at the spot. patrolling in vulnerable areas, raids on hide- outs of terrorists and extortionists have been (d) and (e). The Delhi Police have re- intensified. p& ported that the public is aware of the scheme which is under operation since 1976. ^;&+5.& <- Service of Ambulance Vans (1) and (g). There is no specific proposal 5875. DR. C. SILVERA: Will the Minis- before the Government for increasing the ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: vans. 9 hq 9 (a) whether certain ambulancevans are Emergency Horns In Delhl Police under the control of the Delhi Police; Ve hicles - @) il so. the details of the services being 5876. DR. C. SILVERA: will the Minister providedbythosevansalong with the source of HOME AFFKlks be pGedto state: of their availability in emergency; (a) whether some vehicles of the Dalhi (c) the criieria laid down for availing of Police have been fitted with emergency horns; the services of those vans by the public; (b) if so, the details thereof; (d) whether the services of these vans have been publicised for the awareness of (c) whether any criteria has been laid general public; down for the use of these horns: (e) if so, thedetails thereof and if not, the (d) if so, the details thereof? reasons thereof; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (f) whether the Government propose to MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS increase the number of those vans with the AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- establishment of various new colonies in TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. Delhi; and JACOB): (a) Yes. Sir. (g) ifso, the details thereof? (b) The following vehicles have been fitted with emergency horns:- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS 1. Cars 102 AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN- ,ISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. 2. Jeeps 489 JACOB): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. Fiteen ambu- lance vans are at the disposal of the Delhi 3. Pick-ups 124 Police. These include five vans supplied by the Directorate of Health Services, Delhi 4. Ambulances 13 291 W&m Answwr SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WdbnAnswm 294 5. Mini-Buses 11 (c) No, Sir. 6. Buses 7 (d) Does not arise. 7. Trucks 31 (e) The following stations in Nasik Db- trict are proposed to be provided with STD 8. Jail Vans 21 facility during the 8th Plan. (c) and (dl. The Delhi Police has reported 1. Niphad that the vehicles used as ambulances of fire fighing or salvage purposes or used by the 2. Malegaon Police Officers in the course of their duties ,wherethe exigencies so warrant are perrnit- 3. Oxar ted tS, use emergency ,horns. -I ; : Lp~aa- C 4. Satana S.T.D. Faclllty n Towns of Naslk District of Maharashtra 5. Sinnar - 4 5877. SHRl Z.M. KAHANDOLE; will 6. Pimpalgaon(0aswant) the Minist6 of C~=NS be pleased to state: 7. Lasalgaon 8. Igatpuri. (a) whether the telephones in Western part of the Nasik district of Maharashtra remains dead for most of the time; [Transhion] i" 1 @) whether customers are required to Dlconnoctlon of S.T.D. Service In pay telephone bills akhough the phones Allgarh, U.P. remain dead for over two months; 5878. SHRl MOHAN SING% Will the (c) if so, whether any complaint has Minister of &MMUNEATIONSbe pleased been received in this regard by the Govem- to state: Mnt; (a) the number of S.T.D. telephone sub- (d) if so, the action taken thereon; and scribers connections found disconnected from June to August 1991 in Aligarh, of Uttu (e) the towns in the Nasik district which Pradesh; ue proposed to be connected by S.T.D. facaii? (bj Whether any high level enquiry has been conducted in this regard; and THE MINISTER OF STATE Of THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATWS(SHRI (c) I ao, the outcome thereof? RAJESH PILOT): (a) No, Sir. The working of Wlaphomrr in Western part of Nasik D'itrid THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE h-w-adary. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAlESH PILOT): (a) No subscribers mw nodbn, were found diinoded. How= 293 Written Answon BHADRA 14, 1913 (SAICQ) Written Answers 294 3-44 ever, seven number ol ST0 telephone sub Threat to Indlan Ambassador In 8crRters meters were found tamperedldii- Romanlr connected from June 1991 to August 1991. of----- 5880. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Will @) and (c). On the basis of preliminary the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Investigation, two offlcials In Aligarh Tele- pleased to state: phone Exchange have been placed under suspension. (a) whether the lndian Embassy in Ro- mania was warned several times about the threat to lndian Ambassador from the milk tants; and - Intematlonal SaanltorlngEarth Statlon @) if so, the details thereof and the action taken thereon? 5879. SHRI ANKUSHRAO RAOSAHEB TO-II the Minister of TIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNALAFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether the foundation stone of the EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Yes Sir. International Satellite Monitoring Earth Sta- The lndian Embassy in Romania was In- tion was laid down in December, 1983; formed several time about the treat to Shrl J.F. Riiro, lndian Ambassador, from the @) if so, the stage at which the matter militants. Recently, on August 17 also Infor- - stands at present; and mation about the threat to Ambassador war conveyed. This information was further (c) when Station is likely to be corn- conveyed to the Romanian authorities who missbned? had strengthened the unlormed guards at the Residence of the Ambassador , our THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Embassy and the road on which the Am- MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI bassador travelled. WESH PILOT): (a) The then Minister of ~qq T- k State for Communications, Shri V.N. Gadgil, Blue Prlnt Plm ofTenorirtr formally took over the land from the then Deputy Chief Minister, Maharashtra State in 5881. SHRl GURUDAS KAMAT: + a simple cermony, at Jalna on 1 1 December, SHRI S.B. SIDNAL: 1983. I___ -__ - ...= - Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS k @) The civil work for the antenna ped- pleased to state: estal has been completed. The Space Ap- plication Centre of the Department of Space (a) whether the Government are aware has been developing and integrating the of the terrorists activities and their blueprid 'receive' electronics system, which is now @an; under final test at Ahmedabad. The con- struction work for the building of the station @) W so, the areas where the blue print b in progress. plan is b be executed; and (c) The facllis at the station are likely (c) the nmedlal steps taken by the b be mady for intialthing around mid 1992. Government in this regard. , 295 HenAnswers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Writfen Answers 296 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sought to be repealed by the Act. projeds MWISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS trbals against alienation of land. Attention of AND MNISTER OF STATE IN THE ~lk- State Government was drawn b the reports sTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. that in number of cases tribal land have been JACOB): (a) to (c). While no such 'Blue Print alienated in favour of the non-tribals. Since it Plmn' has come to notioe, Government is was feared that the regulation if repealed fully dieto the situation created by terrorist would only result in regularising the alien- elements in the country and is determined to ations, State Governmrint was pressed to ensure tha! a durable dimate of peace and provide a satisfactory reason as to how the stability prevails throughout the country. interest of Tribals was to be secured. A reply Various steps are being taken by the Gov- from the State Government is awaited. ernment in this direction with the dose mp dimoftheStateGwernmentsconcemed. S.T.D. Facllity to Burugum-PADU Telephone Exchange in Andhra " CL Whya Bharat Notified Area Land Pradesh '"''''*-" DisMbution and Transfer regulation, - C .' 19% 5883. SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO VADDT-W~IIthe Minister of COM- 5882. SHRI RAMESHWAR PATIDAR: KUN~CATK)NSbe pleased to state: win the t"l6GG-S pleased to state: (a) whether the Government propose to provide S.T.D. facility in Burugumpadu (a) whether the Government of Madhya Telephone Exchange in Andhra Pradesh; Pradesh has sougM the permission of the Union Government to repeal the Madhya @) if so, the time by which such facility Bharal Natied Area Land distribution and is likely to be provided there; and Transfer Regulation. 1954; (c) if not, the reasons therefor? @) if so. the reasons for delay in grant- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF'THE ing permission; and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI FUUESH PILOT): (a) No, sir. (c) the time by which the permission is @) Not applicable. likety tD be granted? (C) BURUGUMPADU THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME (BURGAMPAHAD) does not faU within the MINISTRYOFPpRuAMENTARY AFFAIRS norms for providing S.T.D. within the 8th AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN- Five Year Plan. ISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. 2~t3 JACOB): (a) The Madhya Bharat Anusuchit Statement on Jammu and- by Fa(Bhumi Bant Taha Hastantaran) The Brltish -ur Party Leader Vmiyam, 1984 for repealing the Madhya Bharat An- Kshetra (Bhumi Bant Tatha HastanQaran)Vim. 1954 has been refered by the Government of Madhya Pradesh for the assent of the President. @) and (c). The existing R6gulatkne I 297 WdenAnswen BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 298 (a) whether the British Labour Party (c) the amount sanctioned by the union leader had discussions with various per- Government for the project and the amount sonalities d Jammu and Kashmir during his released so far; and recent visit to that State; (d) the time by which the remaining @) H so, the details thereof; amount is likely to be released? (c) whether he made Bny statement on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Jammu and Kashmir after visiting that State; MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS and AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN- ISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. (d) if so, the details thereof and the JACOB): (a) and (b). The Satiguda Irrigation reaction of the Government thereto? Project is being executed by the Government of Orissa with funds provided by the Gov- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ernment of India. The StateGovernmenthas MINISTRYOF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI never reported that the Irrigation Project EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Mr. Gerald has, at anytime, been in astand-still prosition. Kaufman, Shadow Foreign Secretary of the UK had discussion with the Governor and (c) The amount sanctioned by the other senior officials and met a large cross- Government of India for the Project is Rs. section of polail leaders, jurists, repre- 31 8.20 lakhs. The amount so far released to sentativesof the press and other personalities the Government of Orissa is Rs. 37.45 lakhs. in Jammu and Kashmirduring his recent visit to the State. (d) As per the Terms 8 Conditions laid down for the release of funds by the Gov- (c) and (d). The Government have seen ernment of India. the entire expenditure is to various press reports about remarks made be incurred by the Government of Orissa by by Mr. Kaufman after visiting that state, August, 1992. The remaining amount would calling for a solution to Kashmir problem be released to the StateGovernrnent against taking into account the view of the Kashmiris actual expenditure incurred, as and when and suggesting a role for the Commonwealth reimburssment claims are submitted by the in this regard. The Government hopes to State Government along with required resolve this matter with Pakistan bilaterally documents. under the Simla Agreement. There is no 3 qf question, of any mediation, good off ices or Amendment to Offlclal Secrets Ad intervention by any third party, including the ------_-_l_l _ Commonweaith. 5866. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAL SHRI- GEORGE FERNANDES: --.-- - --.---*-.-e Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 5885. SHRI BRAJA KlSHORE pleased to state: viii"&~e~t~~~F-* (a) whether there is any proposal to amend the Offiil Secrets Act; (a) whether the Satiguda lrrigation (b) if so, the details thereof; and Projed in Wssa is at a stand-still position; (c) the changes likely to be effected in @) If so, the reasons therefore; the Ad? 299 )(bftsnAnrwws SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WritenAnswsn 300 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE @) the amount allocated therefor; and MNlSTRY OFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AN0 MINISTER OF STATE IN MEMIN- (c) the number of S.T.D. and I.S.D. ISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. connections given in the Aligarh distrid of JACOB): (alto (c). There has been apropasal Uttar Pradesh during last year abngwith b cmy out certain amendments to the Of- their details thereof? fid.l Secrets Act, 1923 which are generally dmed at making the relevant provisions MEMINISTER OF STATE OF THE more liberal to provide greater access to MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI onii information. The Government has, MESH PILOT): (a) The information with hawowr, not yet taken, a final view in the regard to proposal for opening of P.Os and T.O1sisgivenin the the attached Statements I& II, respectively. As regards Telephone Exchanges, 40 Opmlng of Pod Offlces, Telegraph Exchanges are proposed to be opened in OtlSc# md Telephone Exchanges In U.P. during the year 1991-92. The District U.P. wise details are being collected and will be laid on the table of the house. 5887. DR. LAL BAHADUR RAWAL: Will the Minister of -ATIONS be @) Informationshall be laid on theTaMe pleared to state: of the House after finalisation of the alloca- tions. (a)lhe number d post offis,telegraph aSI'iand telephone exchanges proposed (c) One S.T.D. and I.S.D. connection bbeopenedduring 1991-92 in Uttar Pradesh has been given at Hathras in Aligarh District dts!rkt-wlse; during last year. STATEMENT - I Distd-wise targes for opening of post office m U. P. Circle in 199 1-92swed to justifmtion. S1 No. Name of Distrid No. of Post O#ce Pmposedro be opened. 3Q1 WrffdenAnsw0111 BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Wrfltenhswlen 302 SI. No. Name of Disttici No. of Post OKm Prcyosed b be opened. Kanpur City Kanpur Dehat Unnao Fatehpur Fanukhabad Banda Harnirpur Allahabad Ghazipur Jaunpur Mirzapur Varanasi Pratapharh Bijnore Meerut M. Nagar Saharanpur Ghaziabad Dohradun Pauri Chamoli Tehri 303 Written Ans~ SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Wrilten Answers 304 SL No. Name of Distrid No. of Post Office Proposed to be opened. Asra Mathura Aligarh Jhansi Bulandshahar Etah Etawah Mainpuri Almora Bareilly Badaun Hardoi Kheri Moradabad Rampur Nainital Pilibhit Pithoragah Shahjanpur Gorakhpur Maharajganj Deoria 305 Written Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 306 - SI. NO. Name of District No. of Post WiPmpsedto be opened. 51. Bansi 5 52. Ballia 10 53. Bahraich 10 54. Gonda 10 55. Azamgarh 8 56. Mau 7 57. Basti 5 STATEMENT II - S.No. Dktrici No. of Offims Distki-wise infonnatbn regarding Combined Offiis where Telegraph 11. Dkria 2 faddies are proposed to be provided during the year 199 1-92 on phonocom 12. Etawah 1 basis in Uftar Pradesh. 13. Faizabad 2 S.M. District No. of offices 14. Gorakhpur 2 Asra 15. Gonda Aiigarh 16. Ghazipur Allahabad 17. Jhansi Almora 18. Jaunpur 19. Lakhirnpur Kherl Ballia 20. Mirzapw Banda 21. Moradabad Basti 22. Pattapgarh Bareilly 23. Rae Bareilly Bahraich 24. Sultanpur 307 WMen Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WrMAnswers 308 Central Allocation for krlgatlon and S.No. Dktrkt No. of Flood Control Project In Uttar Pradesh mies 5888. DR. LALBAHADURRAWAL: WIU 26. Varanasi 2 the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: 27. Bara Bankl 1 28. Bijnore 1 (a) the amount allocated by the Union Government to Uttar Pradesh for the 29. Budaun 1 implentation of irrigation and flood control projects during last three years, year-wise; 30. Etah 1 and 31. Fanukhabad 1 (b) the amount spend out of it and the 32. Fatehpur 1 amount surrendered year-wise? 33. Harthi 2 THE MINISTER OF WATER RE- 34. Hardwar 1 SOURCES (SHRI VIDYACHARAN SHUKLA): (a) and (b). For the implementa- 35. Hamirpur 1 tion of irrigation and fbod control projects, the amount allocated under State Plans and 36. Lucknow 2 spent by Mar Pradesh Government during 37. Lalitpur 1 the last three years is as follows: (Rs. in crores) Yeius Amount AaPcated Amount spent 462.74 429.53 463.28 (Anticipated) The saving is utlised by the State Gov- (a) the number of welfare organisation ernment in other development sectors of in Kerala gett'mg foreign contributions; end thelr State Plan. @) the number of applications pendiw for registrationto availforeign contriMinr? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAJRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN MEMINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) About 1200 assoclatbnr in Kerole hove sent intimation d recei@ 04 WnAnswers BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA) Written Answen 310 foreign contribution in the year 1990 to this Chandra Bose from the Government of Ja- Minktry. pan and other foreign muntriis; and @) At present 88 cases from Kerala are @) if so, how the Government propose pending registration under the Foreign Con- to utilise the money? tribution (Regulation) Act, 1976. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE I^C1 MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI > Forelgn Vislts of Ministers EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). There is . . .. -4 I' no evidence available with the Government 5890. SHRI RAM SARAN YADAV: Will regarding cash and assets amounting to Rs. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 114 crores belonging to the Azad Hind to state: Government set up by Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose as being due from the Gov- (a) the detail of ministers who visited ernment of Japan andotherforeignmuntries. foreign mun'.ries during the period from The facts available with the Government on January 1990 to July 1991 for participate in the subject are as follows: various seminarslconferences; 2. After the Second World War, some (b) the total foreign exchange released assets, consisting of various types of cur- for this purpose; rencies, somegold bullion and miscellaneous valuables including ornaments belonging to (c) whether any ministers visited abroad the indian National Army (INA) and lndia more than three times during this period; Independence League (IIL) were confiscated by the Custodian of Property in Singapore. It (d) ifso, the details thereof; and was agreed by Government that these assets, would be divided between lndia and Pakistan (e) the total amount spent on each visit in the ratio of 2:1 with the lndian share of every minister? working out to approximately 1,52,681. This figure was also given in reply to Lok Sabha THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME Unstarred Question No. 1501 of Septenr6er MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS 9,1954. With the consent of the then Prime AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN- Minister, India's share of money derii ISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. from these INAand IIL assets wasthereafter JACOB): (a) to (e). The information is Wing deposited in the indian Scholarship Fund collected and will be laid on the Table of the created in Malaya. The Fund was meant for Hou80. student of lndian origin in Malaya i)r "T k@bof Azad Hlnd Government 3. A box said to contain articles that t ---Cr*y . were salvaged from the aircraft in which 5891. SHRl CHllTA BASU: Will the NetajiSubbash Chandra Bose was reported ~iniaorofE%E&~AFF~I%~;~ pleased to have met his death, was brought to Delhi to state: from Tokyo by an offiial of the Govemment of lndia under instructions from the then (a) whether the Government have re- Prime Minister in November, 1952. The box trleved the cash and assets amounting to was entrusted to the natbnal Museum, New h. 114 crores bdonging to the &ad Hind Delhi for safe custody on 30th September, bmnmtrot up by the Netaji Subbash 1953 and has remained with the Natatmal 31 1 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 312 Museum ever since. The box contained (b) The Bill has since lapsed. medals, rings. chain, wrist watches, ear ring. pendants. ear studs. brooches, bangles, (c) and (d). Government are consider- fragments of stones, shirt-buttons. signet ing various measures includingthe possibility rings, nosering stones, iron nail and other of reintroducing aBillin Parliament to improve misceheous items almost all of which are the ICWA and restore its original standards. in damaged and charred condition. The net weight of the box without wrappers, was [Translation] r, found to be 13491-25 gms. i\ Increase in Production of Foodgrains .,.-.-.*- 3 k\Qn Council of Wwld Affairs-! New Delhi 5893. SHRI BHERU LAL MEENA: Will dUcdUcdUcducr r--- -rUrCIYr*C the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 5892 SHRI SUDHIRSAWANT: Willthe to state: Minister of W ME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether there has been increase in the production of foodgrains like wheat, oil- (a) whether a bill for the takeover of the seeds etc. in the country during 1990-91 as WinCouncil of World Affairs passed in the compared to the year 1989-90; and Rajay Sabhawas introduced in the Ninth Lok Sabha: 0)if so. the State-wise percentage in- crease in production? (b) if so. the present status of the Bill; (c) when the bin is proposed to be re- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE introduoed in the parliament; and MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): (a) (d) the steps proposed to be taken to Yes, Sir. improve the declining standards of MA Lbrary'l (b) A Statement giving percentage of increasddecrease in production of wheat, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ME total foodgrains and total oilseeds during MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI 1990-91 as compared to the year 1989-90 . EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes. Sir. State-wise is Annexed. 313 Written Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Ans wers 314 SEPTEMBER 5,1991 317 WllltenAnswers BHADRA 14,19 13 (SAKA) WInrenAnswem 318 Sabha always states that the subject relater to the State Governments. As a result d SHRl V.N. SHARMA (Hamirpur): Mr. such postures even State Governmonte are Speaker, Sir, my belongings were thrown feeling that the Central Government is not out. seriius on these matters. Earlier, tho Gov- ernment of lndiausedtoviewthe incidentsof [English] atrocities seriously, but it is not so now, you had expressed your concern and had stated MR. SPEAKER: Iwill albw you to that the hon. Prime Minister is going to hold speak. Please sit down. a meeting wlh the Chief Ministers. Iwould like to know as to when this meeting is going to be held. All the hon. MPs bebnging to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes SHRl RAM VllAS PASWAN (Rosera): and other MPs also have decided to march Mr. Speaker. Sir. nearly 30 to 40 MPs be- to the President House either tomorrow or bnging to Congress (I), UP,Janta Dal, CPI day after tomorrow. The march will start from and CPM met you in connection with the the statue of Dr. Ambedkar to present a continued atrocities on Scheduled Castes memorandum against the incidents of and ScheduledTribes in the Country despite atrocities on Scheduled Castes and Sched- the issue being repeatedly raised and disi- uled Tribes in different part of the country. cussed in the House. Just two days before This issue is above party politics, so why we have received a report that even today in does the hon. Minister keeps on reiterating Maharashtra people of these sections are that it is a state subject and the Central not allowed entry in 90 per cent of villages Government cannot interfere. I think the and 80 per cent of temples. I have written a issue of constitutional protection and the letter to the hon. Minister of Home Affairs Central Government has failed to provide Shri Chavan about the killing of the persons that protection. Therefore, this matter needs of these sections in Andhra Pradesh. In to be viewed seriously and the dates for other States also .....( lnterrypfbns)... l have holding Chief Ministers meeting may please photograph of Nagpur incident. You may be finalised at the earliest. see it. The son of a Scheduled Caste Pro- fessor of Ambedkar College studying in lX SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE standard was brutally beaten to death by (Lucknow): No doubt, this matter pertains to another Professor of the college because of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes feeling of enemity. Such incidents are on the but responsibilities to remedy the situation is rise. This issue is above party politics. Leader, not confined just to these sections. If the of all the political parties including Shri Buta incidents continue to take place, it becomes Singh, met you in connections with the a matter of concern for the whole countty Wodties on Scheduled Castes and Sched- and the House. Iurge upon Shri Ram Was uled Tribes. We are golng to meet the Hon. Paswan not to go alone to the Rashtrapatl President also. Bhawan as the division on this issue will neither be in the interest of the country nor In Earlier, the hon. Minister dHome Affairs the interest of these sections. No doubt the during discussion on these issues always incidents of atrocities are being brought to shared the responsibility, but unfortunately the notice of the Centre and the Ministry ol now a new convention has been set up Home Affairs has the aonstitutional obtig.- where the hon. Minister 04 Home while re- tion to keep an eye on these incidents, but U plying to the debate in Ldc Sabha ar R*Y the State Governments are not &lo b db. 31 9 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Written Answers 320 charge their duties, they will not be able to do has said that it seems that the State Govern- justice and if they are not pulled up, they will ments in some areas do not think that the become lax. That is why the State Govern- Central Government is very seriius about it ments should always be prompt and Centre except making some observations or com- should also discharge its obligations, but the ments from time to time. Therefore, this is a issue should not be made a cause of division matter on which Iappeal to all sections of the in society. Atrocities on Scheduled Castes House. and Scheduled Tribes are a matter of con- cem. Ihave no manner of doubt that anybody feels differently, this isa matter which should Sir, Iagree with the suggestion of Shri be taken up with the gravest of importance Ram Vilas Paswan for convening a meeting and urgency and the Central Government of the Chief Ministers for discussion. One should provide a lead in this matter. We must thing is clear that if the State Governments provide exemplary punishment to those show any laxity, the Centre cannot protect people - Ishould say, debased and deformed these people, whatever goodwill it may show. people -who take such action. They should receive exemplary punishment in this mat- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ter. And let us take t hat commitment and vow (Bolpur): I fully associate myself and my that we shall never let these poor people, party with what has been said. It seems that oppressed people down in the country in thediscussion in this House has been treated future ...( Interruptions)... as a ritual. And atthough, we are expressing our gravest concern and then the hon. Min- isters have expressed their concerns, yet it THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS seems that it has no effect, and such grue- (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Iam some incidents, inhuman incidents are re- in full agreement with the views expressed curring in different places in our country. here on the floor of the House. When we had discussions on atrocities on the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes, we had As I had commented last time, are we given this assurance that we treat this as a living in acivilised country? People are being national issue and there is no question of killed or brutalised and tortured because running away from it. Ido not know how the they belong to aparticularcaste ora particular hon. Members got this impression that we area or a particular religion or they speak a are treating this very casually. It is not a fact. particular language. Are we going to allow In fact, we are trying to monitor the whole division of the country on such basis? thing. We have a Cell which bok into the Therefore, this is a matter which we have atrocities on the Scheduled Castes and the always treated to be above party consider- Scheduled Tribes. If there is anything any- ations and party lines. This should be a where happening in the country so far as the matter of national concern. And obviously, Scheduled Castes and the ScheduledTribes the Government has a particular responsi- are concerned, the CentralGovernmenttakes bili..Oir Constitution contemplatesthat the the initiative and writes to the Chief Ministers Central .Government will have direct re- concerned. We do not treat this matter ca- sponsibility so far as the Scheduled Castes sually. On this issue, we havetaken adecision and the Scheduled Tribes are concerned. to call for a meeting of all the Chief Ministers. Therefore, the Government of India, if nec- Ido not remember the exact date, but a date essary, and we demand, should take a lead has also been fixed. The Chief Ministers' in the matter. Iagree with what Ram Vilasji meeting is being called to discuss this issue. 321 Written Answers BHADRA 14.1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 322 discussed in the House and Iwill call both of you. SHRl CHANDRA JEET YADAV (Azamgarh): You had stated that a meeting SHRl V.N. SHARMA: My belongings of the National Integration Council will be were thrown out ....( lnterruptions)... called ....,( lntemu~tbns)... Sir, he had stated that a meeting of the NIC will be called on this SHRl LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): issue. What has happened to that? This is never done. The hon. Members was staying there....( lnterruptrbns)... [English] [English] On the National IntegrationCouncil, you made a commlment on the floor of the MR. SPEAKER: Ido not know what had House saying that the National lntegration happened....( lnterruptions)... Council meeting will be called to discuss especially the issueof atrocitiesonthe weaker SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE sections. What about that? (Bolpur): A sitting Member has been thrown out of his house. How was it allowed to SHRl S.B. CHAVAN: That meeting is happen? Did he get permission from also going to be called. But first, we will have you?..( lnterruptions)... a meeting of allthechief Ministerstodiscuss this issue. MR. SPEAKER: The House Committee is there.. .. .(Interruptions). .. [Translation] [ Translation] SHRl V.N. SHARMA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, through you. Iwould like to raise am impor- SHRl ATAL BlHARl VAJPAYEE tant issue in the House, because I have (Lucknow): Leave aside the House Com- mysell been its victim. Iwas also a Member mittee. ti a sitting Member who has not been of the 7th Lok Sabha. My good friend Shri albttedilat is living at some Senior Member's Chhabi.Ram Argal was residing near me in residence, then instead of resolving the is- flat Nos. 47and49 in South Avenue. He was sue through discussion, will the Member's also from BJP. He lost election this time. belonging be thrown out on Unfortunately, he died in an accident. Since road..( lnterrqtions)... he was my class friend. So Istayed with him for sometime. I was to be allotted official [English] accommodation in this Lok Sabha term and was told that the Senior Members are allot- MR. SPEAKER: Iwill find out how it has ted corner double flats. I applied to Shri happened. (Interruptions)... Bhuria He stated that this time it has been dmided...., Itold him that Iwas occupying a SHRl SOMNATH CHAllERJEE: Who double flat and 1 should be allowed to retain passed that order? the same. However, he stated that accom- r modation will be aHotted to a Member who [ Translation] had three terms. lwasgiven accommodation in Meena Bagh. Imte a letter to him and .... SHRl RAM VlLAS PASWAN : Mr. Speaker, Sir, we would like to know through MR. SPEAKER: Such matters are not you, whether there are any rules and regr.- 323 W&en Ans wets SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 324 lalions for getting the residence of and MP MR. SPEAKER: There is no-.need. vpceted. The former Congress(1) Ministers Communicationbetween us is perfed. l have haw been continuously residing in the resi- followed what you all want to tell. Iwanted to dences allotted to them, irrespective of their say that whatever has taken place should beiMembers of Parliament or not, but the not have taken place...( lntemqtions)... elected Members are being evicted. ..(In- bm@ns)... My submiision is that first MR. SPEAKER: I do not know what those ex-Members should be evicted who happened. but Iwill find it out. hwe been occupying official residences for the last 20 years though they are not Mem- SHRl RAJNATH SONKAR SHASTRI: bers at present. Let the Government evict An incident has occurred which is beyond these persons in the first instance. This words. A very humiliating situation has should be above party politics. Only the arisen ...( Interruptions)... people from bngress(1) are occupying the official residences.... (lntenrglions)... MR. SPEAKER: Ihavefollowed; please sit down. When you stand up once to speak, SHRl MADAN LA1 KHURANA (South Icame to know every thing. If what has been Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir. fiiget the official said is try. then it is definitely humiliating and residences vacated from persons who have Iwill get 1 enquired. Necessary action will been occupying the flats for 20 years. ..(In- definitely be taken. temrptions)... Please dired the authorities concerned to get those persons evicted who SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Mr. though not Members now am living for many Speaker, Sir, please also have a concern for years in off iciil residences. We want to know the preciousbelongingsof the hon. Members who ordered eviction of a sitting lying outside the flat ...( lntenuptions)... W?..(lntemptions). .. MR. SPEAKER: I have said that nec- essary adion will be taken. MR. SPEAKER: Pleasetake your seats. SHRI RAJENDRA AGNlHOTRl (Jhansi): Sir, it is a question of honour and prestige of the hon. Member. His bebngings are lying outside the flat ....( lntemptkns) ... SHRl RAJNAM SONKAR SHASTRI (Saiipur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, please also al- SHRl LA1K. ADVANI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, bw us to speak. ..( lnlemgtkns)... such an incident is unprecedented in the hiryof the Lok Sabha. Such treatment MR. SPEAKER: There is no need for has never been meted out to a sitting hon. that. Shrl Sonkar, please sit down: I say Member. About the former Member one or phm, sII down...( lnremglions)... two such incidents have of course occud. MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sonkar, please sit SHRl BASU DEB ACHARIA (Bankura): down. When I am on my legs you should It took place in 8th Lok Sabha. Men to me. SHRl IAL K. ADVANI: Since the mattor concerns an hon. Member, Sir, it becomes your respndbihy. Our complai with the Government b totally a diffetent be,bul 325 Written Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAM) Wrfien Ans wen 326 please immediately intervene in the rwer ing allotment of residences. Please listen to and get hibelongings kepl in the flat an&et me and do not raise these matters in the the Member's rights proteded fully. If at all House. It is not appreciated anywhere... and action has to be taken, then first get (Interruptions). .. those ex-Members evicted who have been living in official residences for years. SHRl HARl KISHORE SlNGH (Sheoher): Mr. Speaker. Sir, with your per- SHRl RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI: It is a mission I woukl like to raise an important question of prestigeof an hon. Member. First issue in the House. ..( lntenuptions)... hibelongings should be placed back in the flat. We want your protection.... (Intemp SHRl RAM NlHOR RAI (Robertsganj): tiom)... Mr. Speaker, Sir, hon. Member has been insulted. His belongings have been thrown out ...( lntenuptbns)... MR. SPEAKER: Please, take your seat. We function according tocertain conventions SHRl RAJNATH SONKAR SHASTRI: of the House. We never debate Budgets of Mr. Speaker, Sir, this matter has been brougM the Legislators in the House.The issue of before the House and you are not interested allotment of residence is also not debated to hear the sentiments of the people. here. This is so .... (lntenuptions)... MR. SPEAKER: Sonkarji, such matters MR. SPEAKER: Please listen to me cannot be brought before the House for first. All these matters are not allowed to be discussion. You may ask your senior raised in the House.The hon. Member should Members.... (lntenuptions)... not have been evicted...( lntemplions)... MR. SPEAKER: Sonkarji, suchamatter MR. SPEAKER: Please listen to me. Do cannot be discussed in the House and for not interrupt. I am saying the same thing. further confirmation in this regard you may ask your senior Members. This is your SHRl MOHAN SINGH(Deoria): Mr. committee and the Chairman is of your Speaker, Sir, Iam also staying in the hotel for choice. Iwill discuss it wlh him. Iassure you the last two to two and a half that 1is my responsibilly to look into any ad mnths...( lntemptions)... of disrespect towards any hon. Member but let me look into it. Iwill look into the matter MR. SPEAKER:That is what Iam saying and work accordingly but certainly not in th& that it is not proper to evict an hon. Member manner. This mattershoukl not bediscussed from residence. Many hon. Members ask for here. residences they should be provided resi- dence. but that does not mean that other [English] Members belongings should be thrown out. A way should be found out maintaining a SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE balance in the matter. The matters of this (Bolpur): No sitting Member's acwmmoda- nature are never discussed in the House. tion should be interfered wlh without any We have to uphold the respect of our hon. express permission from you, Sir. Members.If any wrong has been committed then the matter will be enquired into and [Translation] appropriate action will be taken. We are also koking into as to what can be done regard- MR. SPEAKER: No, not in this manner. 327 WrittenAnswers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Writen Answers 328 ment to instal this statue on 2nd October at lndia Gate. SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: It should be. Otherwise, it cannot be left to an SHRl GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pali): Mr. Estate Officer. Speaker, Sir, ten thousand advocates are on strike for last two weeks. Mr. Speaker, Sir, a MR. SPEAKER: Iwill look into this. Bill relating to the question of jurisdiction between High Court and Administrative Court SHRl MANORANJAN BHAKTA was expected to be moved through which (Andman & Nicobar Islands): After one has jurisdiction worth Rs.5 lakhs was to be given bst the election and is still occupying the to the subordinate Courts by the High Court. accommodation illegally, he should be However, the aforesaid Bill was not moved in evicted immediately...( lntenuptbns)... the current session with the result that there is dissatisfaction on both the sides, many [Translation] people are behind bars and no heed is being paid to their applications for grant of bail. SHRl VlLAS MUTTEMWAR (Chimur): Tremendous loss had to be borneon account Mr. Speaker. Sir, two and a ha1months have of it. Iwould like to urge the hon. Minister or lapsed and yet we have not done anything so Law to resolve this problem by immediately far. convening all the Members for a round table conference. The issue of division of subor- dinate courts among the five regions is also a part of this issue and the same should be No new Member can stay with another taken into account to enable people to get Member. If he is staying, he is not allowed to justice speedily and at a low cost. As such 1 have a telephone. would request the hon. Minister of Law to immediately look into the prevailing situation MR. SPEAKER: Iwill discuss ,"these in Delhi due to which functioning of judiciary things in my Chamber has come to standstill. [English] MR. SPEAKER: These matters are not SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA : Mr. being dissedon the floor of the House. Speaker, Sir, last time also I mentioned (Interruptions) It is a very serious matter. In [Translation] the Union Territory of Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the public distribution system has SHRl HARl KISHORE SlNGH completely broken down. No rice and sugar (Sheohar): Mr. Speaker, Sir. through you I are available in the fair price shops. From would like to draw the attention of the Gov- different islands, particularly from the tribal ernment towards a very important issue. It is areas, the people have sent me telegrams very unfortunatethat the statue of Mahatma and have also telephoned that the situation Gandhi, the father of the nation has yet not is very bad. .- been installed at lndia Gate despite the decision taken to do the same. As per my Last time also Imentioned about it. But inlormationthe statue is ready but the Gov- the Government did not take any action in smment has failed to instal it at lndia Gate. the matter. The Home Minister is not there. As such,through you Irequest the Govern- But the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs is 329 Written Answers BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 330 present here. Irequestthat he should pass in a positiitopmvideihe necessary protee. on the information immediately to the Home tion to these statues and Ithink, when there Ministry. They should call the Chief Secre- is a threat to the life of the Chief Minister tary. Some special arrangements should be there, protection of these statues may made immediately so that sugar and rice are probably be forgotten. So, necessary pro- available through the public distribution tection may be provided by the Government system in the fair price shops. of India as this is a national monument and a world wide known monument, if Imay say During this time, the festival months are no. Therefore, necessary protection may coming. So, some special allocation of sugar kindly be given to these statues. should also be made. This is a very serious matter. Nobody is taking any cognisance of SHRl SUDHIR SAWANT: (Rajapur): Sir. it. There is a possibility of law and order with your permission, I want to raise a very problem in the Union Territory and the things vital issue and place it in front of the House will deteriorate from bad to worse in that part and the Government. This is regarding col- of the country. lapse of agriiultural operations specially in backward and hilly areas. That is why through you Irequest again to the good sense of the Government to take MR. SPEAKER: But only day before immediate steps sothatthe peopleof thefar- yesterday we had discussed the Demands flung islands do not suffer under these con- for Grants relating to the Ministry of Agrii ditions. culture. SHRl V. DHANANJAYA (Mangalore): SHRl SUDHIR SAWANT: But Sir, Idid Mr. Speaker, Sir, Bahubali statue is one of not get an opportunity to raise it. This is a the wonders of the world and it is in very vital issue. lt violates Article 14 of the Sharvanabelagola in KarnatakaState.There Constitution. are three other like statues in Dakshin Kannada District of Karnataka, that is, at MR. SPEAKER: I had given you an Kargala, Belur and Dharrnasthala. Sir, you opportunity and you did not use it. But you are aware that the Government has intro- are misusing it. duced a Bill for giving necessary protection to places of worship. But here, we are much SHRl SUDHIR SAWANT: I did not get afraid that some of the LllE activists have the opportunity to speak on that Demands given a threat to blast off the Bahubali statue for Grants. at Shravanabelagola Bahubali has spread the message of peace, love, ahimsa and MR. SPEAKER: We discussed the De- thyag in the world. As I have already said. mands for Grants for Agriculture only day this is one of the world wide known monu- before yesterday for 18 hours. ments and one of the wonders of the world. So, this statue will have to be given full SHRl SUDHIR SAWANT: But Idid not protection. I would request the Central get an opportunity to speak on that. Let me Government to make necessary provisions raise this issue as it violates Article 14 of the togive protection to these statues. The LllE Constitution. activists have become more active all over Kamataka. They have even given a threat to MR. SPEAKER: You young Members the Me of the Chief Minister. So, Iam afraid should understand that only day before yes- that theGovernment of Karnatakawill not be terday we discussedAgriculture for 18 hours. SEPTEMBER 5,1991 SHRl SUDHIR SAWANT: But there is system at all. It is a subjectiie matter left to nothing to stop me from raising it today. the administration to decide and that is why, it is discriminatory and violates Article 14 of MR. SPEAKER: This is not a private the Constitution. It is a vital issue and is uh House where we can discuss like this. It is all vEres of the Constitution. Therefore, this right. You say what you have to say. condition must be removed. SHRl SUDHIR SAWANT: Sir, it con- SHRlMATl MALlNl BHAlTACHARYA cerns the collapse of agriculturaloperations (Jadavpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, through you, I in -wad and hilly areas. In 1990, the urge upon the Home Minister, who unfortu- Natknal Front Government announced the nately is not present at the moment, the need Rural Debt Relief Scheme. But unfortunately, to institute a high level inquiry about the onecondition was introduced in this Scheme Ameena Case to investigate the powerful regarding eligibility to be covered under this rackets operating around Hyderabadas also Scheme. that is, the revenue of the farmers in other States.While we can speculate on who are non-wilful defaulters will be deter- the sodo-economic causes behind such mined by the Annewari system. This events where parents have to sell their Annewari system is discriminatory. It is dif- children, Iam sure that there is need for the ferent in different parts of the country and it Central Police Department to intervene and b violatweof Article 14of the Constitutionas find out what is obviously a part of a very it is inquitable. Iwill just explain this system widespread racket of trafficking in girls. I r We. cannot go into the details now. But there is big money involved in this. If there is any Annewari system is determining rev- delay in this, the matter goes into cold- ewe. This is nol a system for determining storage and the trails will be lost. Just at the the pecuniary) d the farmers. What is hap- moment, public are on alert. Only the day pening & that if a farmer owns two acres of before yesterday, there was another incident land in a progressive are and cultivates in Hyderabad where one such so called sugamne, then that crop falls under the marriage was prevented by the intervention kurewari system and he does not pay the of a CPI(M) worker, who alerted the police revenue and he is oovered and eligible for and the press. It has also been agreed by Debt Relief Scheme. But if the same farmer Muslim religious leaders that the so called has tWD acres d land and cukiates paddy in marriage of Ameena does not fall within the thal two acrpr, then.... purview of the Muslim Personal Law. And a number of Members of Parliament In this MR SPEAKER: You have to make a House, cutting across religious beliefs, have kkf mention about the urgent matter now. also raised their voice in favour of such an inquiry. As for the State Government, Ithink SHRl SUDHlR SAWANT: Sir. today the the State Government may be glad to receive kmmr in my area, special))c, have been any help from the Central Government to indrbted. AgrkultwaloperaSiorrs have totally bust such radcets that may be existing. aoilapsed This b an urgent matter which roquhs bmwdhte rdi.This con- When we last met the Minister abng ~dtha~~must be removed with the members of women's organisations hausonmns arediffwent indiierent parts like ClWA and Saheli, the Minister gave us d tbo aPonQry. Seaondly, Annewad system an asswam that he would take a speedy b d 4pplicrbk &orsally and in many decision in this regard. But so far, we have plrorr d our camby, there b no Annewad mthearddthedecbh.Asamatherofa 333 WbnAnSv~en BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) Written Answen 334 @ who is of the same age as Ameena, I [Translation) wuld requert the Gwehment to institute M inquiry without any delay, so that all our The Ministry of Education, while setting minor young girls, right across the country, up this National Commission on teacher's may be protected from such traffiiers in appointment could never at least imagine human flesh. that its function was more or less similar to the nature of a postman's job. Today, on the eve of teacher's day Iwould urge the Gov- ernment to play an active role in this respect SHRl LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): because owing to financial constraints the Mr. Speaker, Sir. today is 5th September State Government will not be in a positionto and the birth centenary of Dr. Sarvapalli implement all the recommendations as they Radha Krishnan. For years together the are many in number. The positbn d the Nation has been celebrating this day as teachers will remain precarious unless the Teathersday. The objective behind it on one Central Government extends financial as- hand is to make the teachers conscious of sistance. It is not possible to carry out reforms their responsibility and on the other hand to and improve their role as we expect. make the society realize its responsibility towards the teachers as they play a vital role Mr. Speaker, Sir, in this context Iwould in nation building. like to point out that on one handthe teachen appointed in the schools of Delhi and on the other hand the teachers recruited in the Many years ago a National Commission industrial training centre of Delhi are con- under the Chairmanship of Shri tinuously demanding that their pay scales Chattopadhyayji was set up to look into the should be at par with the other teachers Interest of the teachers. In 1987 this Com- appointed in Delhi schools. Today, on tho missbn presented a detailed report to the occassion of Teacher's day Iurge upon tho then Minister of Education who is at present Government to take concrete steps In our Prime Minister. The report contained Implementing the recommendations of many recammendation regarding the pay Chattopadhyay committee all over the scales of the teachers and their welfare. I country. regret to say that although the Government has implemented some of the recommen- SHRl MADAN LAL KHURANA (South dations but the attitude of the Government Delhi): Delhi is a union territory and a$ such regardingthe Commiltee'o report is confined on the eve of Teacher's Day the Central bthe answer which Iam quoting underneath. Government should make an announcement k an answer to this subject. in this respect...( Intewtions)... %@es of the Report of the National Commission on Teachers have been made DR. SHRlMATl K.S. SOUNDARAM to dl State Oavemments. It is for (Tiiengodo): Mr. Speaker, Sir. on thin ~~~mmentsmcemedto suit- Teacher's Day, 5th September.1991, tho *the pay scakr of their toachers and birthday of our be- phib8oph.r and -~8uch other rocommendations as former Prerident of Indi.. Dr. SurwpalO guym.rcor#ibr-. Radhukrishnur, Ihope the hm. kmbmm 335 Written Answers SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Written Answers 336 win pin me in congratulating the teachers passed a Bit1 which provides-equalscabs who are moulding the younger generation and benefitsfor the aided s&hl and college for abrightfuture in every nook and corner of teachers. our aountry. As education is a concurrent subject.' While appreciating and praising the the Bill now awaits President's assent. But teacher's noble task, we should also try to the President has informed us that the Bill is redress their grievances and sufferings. So lying with the Home Ministry. Therefore, Sir. many Commissions have been constituted through you, I would request the Home for the pay revision and for giving better Ministerto givegreen signal to the Bill so that facilities to the teachers but their recom- the President expedites his assent. mendations are yet to be implemented. [ Translation] In this context the Chattopadhyay Commission's recommendations may be SHRl RAJNATH SONKAR SHASTRI: implemented for the school teachers. For Sir, many districts of Eastern Uttar Pradesh the College teachers. though the U.G.C. are adversely affected by the floods. Just scales have been announced in 1986 and now Ihave received information to this effect implemented in some States, many States that the water level of Ganga is increasing at have not yet adopted them. The problem of an alarming rate and is much above the taking into account the services of Tutors danger mark. Jaunpur, Varanasi. Ghajipur and Demonstrators in the ratio of 1:I should and Mirzapur districts are totally in the grip of be solved. this devastating flood. Thousands of villages are in perilous condition. Houses are col- Tamil Nadu Government has taken a lapsing. animals are dying due to scarcity of policy decision to appoint only women fodder, ration is not available and there is teachers up to Standard V and 30 per cent acute crisis of kerosene oil. The situation is reservation for women is made for all other beyond description. The flood water has posts. The same poky may also be adopted entered the houses and there is no electriciiy by the Central Government. and kerosene oil. Sir, the assistance extended by the Government of Uttar Pradesh has not # all these demands are accepted and reachedthe villages ... Ihave recently visited implementedit will be agreat honour that we the flood affected areas. In scores of villages will be doing for our belovedteachers on this at Gazipur and Jaunpur the District officers Teacher's Day. or any other concerned officers have yet not visited that place. To add to their plight any SHRl SUDHIR RAY (Burdwan): Sir. kind of assistance given by Government has today is Teacher's Day. Throughout the not reached them. The Uttar Pradesh Gov- country the teachers of such schools, which ernment is sitting silent. Keeping in view the are under private management and Trust aforesaid situation, I would urge the Gov- are not getting their dues. In Rajasthan the ernment to issue instructions to this effect to teachersandleduresdschwlsand colleges provide relief to the thousands of victims of donot enjoy the pay scales which the teachers flood affected areas. d Government colleges enjoy. Sir, they do not enjoy the pay scales which the teachers [English] of Government colleges enjoy. Sir, they do nd enjoy any retirement benefits and the DR. V. RAJESHWARAN renrjce security. The Rajasthan Assembly (Rarnnathapuram): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the 337 WenAnswers BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA) Written Answers 338 attacks and atrocities on Fishermen or the path of appeasement? It is a matter of Rameshwaram by Shri Lankan Navy in the regret that we cannot give any protection to mid-sea are mounting day by day. About about one lakh lndian citizens whoare staying 'r eight fishing boats were seized by the Sri in lndian Enclaves. According to 1951 cen- -LiinlEaRw.and the Sri Lankan Navy are sus, the population was 37.000 after that, using the seized boats for the patrolling you have not taken any Census. purposes. There is no law and order. No Police is Therefore, I would like to request, there. No school is there. No hospital or for through you, the concerned Ministries to that matter an Elected Assembly is there take necessary action for protecting,our since 1952. The Central Government did fishermen and get back all the seized boats. nothing for these people but on the other hand, the lndian Government is very much SHRl AMAR ROYPRADHAN (Cooch eager to give a passage to Bangladesh Behar): Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you very enclaves. much for giving me this opportunity. We want friendly and cordial relations MR. SPEAKER: This is not a regular with our neighbouring countries like Nepal. speech. You have just to bring to the notice. Bhutan, China, Burma. Sri Lanka. Pakistan and Bangladesh, but certainly not at the cost SHRl AMAR ROYPRADHAN: lndian of national integrity and sovereignty. enclaves within Bangladesh is 32.g square miles but Bangladeshi enclaves within lndian According to IndoBangladesh Agree- is 19.3 square miles. ment, if Tin Bigha which is an integral part of lndia is given to Bangladesh on perpetual So, why this appeasement? Lakhs and lease for 999 years, then Kuchlibari Lakhs of lndian citizens are ready to sacrifice Panchayat would be turned into a new en- their lives but not the sovereignty and integrity clave within Bangladesh. Kuchlibari of our country. Panchayat is measuring about 30 square miles with a population of 41,000. According Hence, I would like to request the to the Agreement, if an offence is committed Government to give a fresh look to the Indo- by a Bangladeshi involving another Bangladesh agreement. Bangladeshior an lndiancitizenat Tin Bigha, the criminal procedure in the matter would [Translation] be determined by Bangladeshlaw and would be dealt with by Bangladesh Agencies. It SHRl RATllAL VARMA (Dhandhuka): means lndia would not be able to exercise its Mr. Speaker, Sir. Pakistan is continously Sovereignty over TiBiha which is an integral firing on the border areas of Kashmir. Con- Part of India. sequently our soldiers and citizens are suf- fering injuries. I woukl like to point out that Sir, why this appeasement policy? China had also raised such slogans / earlier.... (Intempthns)... Lakhs of Notth Bengal people are ready to sacrifice their liesbut will not sacrificethe So-reignty and integrity of our country. MR. SPEAKER: Vermaji, Icannot allow you for this because today we are going to Why is the Government trying to follow discuss the budget for Ministry of Defence. 339 bWtenAnslrrws SEPTEMBER 5,1991 WMtenAnswm 340 You rhould keep all these factors in MR. SPEAKER: Have you brought thk mind...( Ihtemgth)... to hi notice. SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. . Speaker. Sir, Iam saying this with full con- MR. SPEAKER: You are not using the fidence and lowe the responsibility of every time properly. Iwill not albw it. Please take word that Ihave spoken. Iam prepared to be your seat. I will explain to you what to do. penalised for anything wrong that I have Picome to my Chamber.. (Intemp uttered. Iam responsible for whatever Iam films)... saying. MR. SPEAKER: The budget for Ministry THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of Defence will be discussed today. MINISTRY OFPARLlAMENTARYAFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN- SHRl RATllAL VARMA: Mr. Speaker, ISTRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY St,you have given me permission to speak AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARAJAN KUMARAMANGALAM): He is specifying a particular Minister and making an allegation. The normal procedure is-he is a senior MR. SPEAKER: Verma ji I am with- Member; he was also a Minister-he should drawing my permission Ihave withdrawn my have given notice to the Minister and should permission have consulted him. This is not a proper ...( lntemglkns)... method. MR. SPEAKER: You start behaving in [Translation] this manner Iwill have to think before giving you time. SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. Speaker. Sir, there is no need of notice. SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzzafarpur): Mr. speaker, Si, l would Ike to raise a question concerning the collective responsibility of the cabinet of this Govem- ThoGovernment has been chargedwith ment. The Minister of State for External indulging in vandalism ..( Interruptions)... Affairsof this very cabinet had for a bng time been objedhg to a decision taken by the MR. SPEAKER: Do you think that he Government. His objedion related to the has made that statement? Raihnrays d Konkan and Goa from where Eduardo Fabrio hails. He spdce about the functioning d railways in those piaces. Mr. Speaker, Sir, one can understand as long as SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES: Ihave he raised this question and other the authoriy of the poopto who were prerenR nhcdlenous topics ba three days back he on the 8pot. called a group of jour- in Panaji and M#nwd them that now SHRl RANGARAJAN KUMARA- MANGALAM: That is not tho point, the pdnt k that the Minister should haw btm giuon 341 WnstenAnow~r BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAW) Written Answsn 342 d.Whether he certifies it or not is a dinerent thing. But you could have given natice to the Minister. He should not use this SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES: Mr. Hour for this purpose. Speaker. Sir, Shri Eduardo Faleiro may take my statement which I am making now as a SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES: I have notice and Imay kindly be permitted to raise still not moved a Censure Motion. When I this issue in the House tomorrow... (lnter- move a Censure Motion, then I will give NP~~S)... notice...( hte~wbns)... MR. SPEAKER: For this both of you SHRl LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): should talk to each other first. Iappreciate. If it were a charge d lack d integrity or conuption or anything of that type. then we can understand. But here is a statement which he says the Minister had made it at a [Translation] Press Conference. If the hon. Member says that he knows it from hipersonal knowledge SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES: This is that statement is correct, the Minister can not our personal issue. It will delay the con- deny it or whatever clarifiiions he has to struction of Konkan railway (project) by one give he can give. But on that account if he year and there will be cost escalation to the has notgiven notice. then the Member should tune of Rs.300 crores. not be refrained from raising it rhere...( lntemptions)... [English] It is mentioned here, "The Union Minister MR. SPEAKER: You are a pretty senior of State for External Afl airs has accused the Member; and you know your responsibility. Central Railway Ministry...." Whatever you are saying you would be saying with.full responsibility and understanding. It MR. SPEAKER: Iappreciate the stand will be very diiuh for me to obstruct you taken by you. Iwould like to thank you forthis when you get up and say certain things. But, kind of oourtesy you are showing to your at the same time, I do feel that if you are colleague. If it is necessary, we will take it up saying that a certain Minister has made a tomorrow. statement outside the House which goes against the policy of the Government or rpeaks against the Government, courtesy would requirethat you will bringthis matter to SHRl INDERJIT (Darjeeling): Isupport hiis notice and ask hiwhether he has made thedemand made by Shri Amar Roypradhan it w not, because this is a matter between it is indeed a very seriius matter. It involves Mmbers in the House. And supposing he a major human problem in that area. sticks to it, then you are very well within your Whenever the issue of Bangladeshenclaves right to raise it. # it h not a defamatory, then is taken up, this issue ought to be discussed. piesdo not provide that you should glve a Ireaffirm my support to Shri Roypradhan. notice and all those things. But certain wmesy between Members is required, I SHRl RAM KAPSE (Thane): We we @uPPoseso, but I am not giving my final happy that the teachers are honoured today. on this thing; it is just to deal with each Iwould Ike to suggest, on this occasion that - the Fkarof the How. we should get rid of one-teacher schools d 343 WriftenAnswers SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 344 the earliest. h is a major problem for teachers that is why we urge upon the Government to and students. intervene in this matter and ask the CAG to see that the AG, Orissa takes up their cases. My second suggestion is that over- At least the AG, Orissa should be allowedk, crowding in the classrooms should be see that pension. GPF and other matters are avoided. Throughout thecountry one-teacher taken up immediately. classrooms and overcrowding in classrooms have created a problem for teachers and The Government of Orissa has also students. So, in the interests of both, ldemand requested the CAG but the CAG has refused that these two things should be avoided. to accept this proposition. That is why the Government of India should intervene im- SHRl SIVAJI PATNAIK(Bhubaneswar): mediately in this matter. Sir, today is Teachers' Day. 1 am raising a differenttypeof problem faced by theteachers MR. SPEAKER: Shri Panigrahi, I think of Orissa. One lakh and twenty-five thousand you are also endorsing this view. Primary and Upgraded Middle School teachers who have been declared as Gov- [ Translation] ernment servants by the Orissa State Gov- ernment with effect from the 5th September, SHRl NAWAL KISHORE RAI 1989, are being deprived of their pension (Sitamarhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Late Shri Raj and other benefits. By July, 1990 after hav- Narain, then Minister of Health in the Janata ing settled the modalities, the State Gov- Party Government in 1977 had launched a ernment had sent the GPF Schedule and scheme namely 'Swast hya Rakshak Yoja?~' pension cases of these teachers to the Ac- (HealthVisitor Scheme). initially thisscheda countant-General, Orissaat Bhubaneshwar. was introduced just on experiemental basis But the AG, Orissa has declined to take over in selected blocks of all states. Under that the matter. As a result, these 1,25,000 scheme, one Health visitor was to be ap- teachers face an unsecured situation with pointed in each village having one thousand regardto maintenance of GPF accounts and population. An amount of Rs. 50for medicines pension cases, etc. Had the State Govern- and an honorarium of Rs. 50 per month was ment possessed the necessary expertise to be paid to each health visitor. That scheme and manpower, then they would not have was implemented in some Blocks alloverthe handed over these cases to the AG, Orissa. country. The rural-folk were much benefited But after the AG, Orissa has dedined, the from that scheme. That scheme was pro- net result is that the teachers are suffering. posed to be extended all over the country, but it is yet to be extended. Iwould, therefore, urge upon the Gov- ernment to intervene in the matter so that Sir, through you, I urge upon the Gov- these low paid primary school teachers do ernment to extend the Health visitor Scheme not suffer. and to appoint a Health visitor in each village with thousand population in all the blocks. SHRl SRIKANTA JENA (Cuttack): Sir, Taking the sky-rocketted rise in prices into 1,25,000 primary school teachers of Orissa account, the amount of Rs. 50 for the, are facing a problem after they have been medicines and the Honorarium which wew dodared Government teachers. The CAG is fixed earlier Rs. 50 per month for them must not permitting the AO, Wisa to take over also be increasedto Rs. 500 each per month their case. As a result, the primary school so that they may provide good services to teachen am facing teriour problems and the people. This is a very beneficial scheme WMAnswsrs BHADRA 14,1913 (SAKA) WmAnswum 348 for the people of villages. At present, the came in their way wlth an unjus! reason and parsons who are working as a Health Visitor thus violated the wnstitutional principles. tho villages are in a very miserable wn- So, a serious situation has ahen. That is , &ion. They abng with their families are on why, we impress upon the Government to -qheverge of starvation as they still get only influence the CAG to solve this problem Rs. 50 per month as honorarium. Hence. I immediately. request the Government to enhance their honorarium at least to Rs. 500 per month. MR. SPEAKER: Shri Basudeb Acharia Additional postsof the Health Visitors should also be created. SHRl BRlJA KISHORE TRIPATHY (Puri): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Iwant. .(Intemp. SHRl SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI tiom)... (Deogarh): Mr. Speaker, Sir, of late the Government of Oriia have brought the MR. SPEAKER: Your name will be Primary Teachers under the category of added to the statement made on this point Government servants'. And now the ques- tion regarding their pension. GPF, etc. is coming up. As far as this is concerned, the teachers themselves want that the AGOffiie SHRl SRIKANTA JENA (Cuttack): Sir, rhaukl deal with l..(lntemgtbns)... your observation can give some sense to this Government and the CAG can be asked ) MR. SPEAKER: I am taking that you to solve this ...( ktemgths)... rbo endorse that statement. SHRl BRUA KlSHORE TRIPATHY:Sir, SHRl SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: This you are not allowing me any day. L is not was recommended by the Government of good...( lntemptbns)... Orissa In some other States also, both the teachers and the Government wanted that it MR. SPEAKER: Itake strong objection should be deah with by AG OIfii and that to this kind of behaviour. Iam nol going to was considered. Now, in the case of Orissa take things lying down. lcannot oblige each Pb0, the same facilii should be given to and every Member. There are 522 Members Primary Teachers.. in this House. Please desist from behaving like this in the House. SHRl LOKANATH CHOUDHURY (Jegatsinghpur): Sir, Iurge upon the Gov- 13.00 hrs. ernment to take thls issue with utmost seri- OWlllesa SHRl BASU DEB ACHARIA: The United LiberationFront of Assam is trying to form an MR. SPEAKER: So, you aQo endorse anti-India international front in collaboration thrd statement. with Jarnmu and Kashmir Liberation Front and pro-Khalistani outfits. These mUants 9 SHRl LOKANATH CHWDHURY :Sir, are also trying to contact British Members d become a serious issue. AG has Parliament and Senators of the UnitedSbter W@dto keep their GPF accounts and their whoare sympathetictotheir ww.We have accounts were sent to the AG CMfii. seen how a Member of the Labour Parly erthey were sent to AG Offii,CAG came to India, visited Jammu Md I(rrhmlr SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Written Answers 348 and made observations about the situation alarming. Many hostages have been kept in Jammu 8 Kashmir. We know the con- and many more are kidnapped everyday. spiracy of American imperialism because The law and order situation there has broken we have seen in Qperation Brahmaputra' down. The Assam Government should take how they conspired to secede the. north- proper action against these forces which ard eastern parts of our country. So this is a very actively working for secessionism in our serious matter. This thing came to light from country. I also want that those who have the diary which was found from a militant been kept under captivity should be released. bebnging to the United Liberation Front in I do not know what has happened to the Assam who was arrested inJorhat. that they arrangement between ULFA and the Assam are trying to havecontactwith thesemilitants. Government. The Government of India So Iwant to knowfrom theGovernment as to should make a statement about the ar- what information it has got. So the Govern- rangements made between the two with ment should come out with a statement how regard to the release of those who have the United Liberation Front of Assam abng been kept under captivity for over a with JKLF, Jamat-e-Islami and pro-Khalini month.... (lntenuptbns)... forces are trying to internationalise the situ- ah.So Idemand that the Home Minister SHRl SUNlL DUTT (Bombay-North- should come out with a statement on this. West): Through you I want to bring to the kind notice of the House that today is the SHRl CHITTA BASU (Barasat): 1 also teachers' day. There is a bt of disparity want to speakon this. between theteachers of a normal school and the teachers of a disabled school. To teach MR. SPEAKER: If it is brought to the a handicapped child is more difficuh than to noticedthe House, that is more than enough. teach a normal child. SHRl CHrrrA BASU: I have to add But on the salary basis, there is a bt of something more to this. It is not only the disparity as far as salaries of the teachers of question of ULFA activity to internationalme the handicapped schools are concerned. the issue, but we we also in grave concern They are getting vgry much lesser salaries because of the failure of the Government of than those in the normal schools. Iwant to Assam to secure the release of those hos- bring it to the kind attention of this Howeand tages who have been kept under captivity for of the Government that their salaries should abord a month or so. About two weeks ago, be on par wlh those of the salaries in the Imentioned aboh this in this House and I normal schools. Actually. their salaries should requested the Home Minister to make a be much more because they teach the statement about the position taken by the handicapped children and it takes more time Government of Assam particularly in regard and more energy for a teacher to teach a to ULFA It is reported that the Government handicapped child. So. their salaries at least of Assam has entered into some kind of a should be on par with them. if not more. deal with ULFA through the mediationof the socalled Assam Branch of International Amnesty. We do not know the identity of that Assam Branch of International Amnesty. As SHRlMATl KESHARBAI SONAJI. a matter of fact, that is creating the problem KSHIRSAGAR (Beed): Mr. Speaker. sir.- there. UtFA people are making new de- Beed district deserves to be declared a scar- mands wetyday as the day passes. The city striken district by the Government. This rWuasin has become very complex and very year, there has been no rain in that area, as a result thereof Kharif crops have been de- (i) Review by the Government on the stroyed and Rabicrops have not been sown. working of the Kudremukh lron Ore There is an acute shortage of drinking water Company Limited, Bangalore, for in the rural areas of that district. Due to the Year 1990-91. drought, green fodder is not available for the (ii) Annual Report of the Kudremukh cattle which are facing drinking water prob- lron Ore Company Limited, Ban- lem also. Population of 15 lakhs of our area galore, for the Year 1990-91 along have been affected by the severe drought with Audited Accounts and com- and the people are facing many difficulties ments of the Comptroller and Au- there. Panic has gripped the farmers in ditor General thereon. [Placed in particular. To cope with the situation some Library. See. No. LT-5391911 concrete steps are required to be taken by ;ip both the Central Government and the State Copy ofthkQrrigendum to the detailed-* -, Government. Hence, Beed must be declared Demands for_gants of the Mlnlstryol -- - - & a scarcity striken district and immediate re- Mines for 1991-92 lief must be provided to the people of that 5.- - -=a district. I request the hon. Minister of Agri- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE culture to despatch immediately a Central MINISTRY OF MINES (SHRI BALRAM team there and employment programmes SlNGH YADAV): I beg to lay on the Table a be started at once. The compensation for copy of the Corrigendum to the Detailed theircrops which have beendamaged due to Demands for Grants'of the Ministry of Mines severe drought must be paid immediately to for 1991-92. [Placed in Library. See. No. LT- the farmers of that area. 540/911 ->e >J c3 DeLqIled Demands for Grants of the ~inistr~of Glence and Technology " 13.00 hrs. ... THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PAPERS LAID ON THE-_*_.._ TABLE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS $\ AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Annual Report of and RevIew-_aGk MlNlSTERY OF LAW. JUSTICE AND zrking of the Kudremukh lron ore COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI RANGARMAN -,-- ---.---. ---a .A company Ltd. Banglore, for the year 1990- KUMARAMANGALAM): On behalf of Shrimati Margaret Alva, I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Detailed Demands for [English] Grants (Hindi and English versions) of the Ministry of Science andTechnologyfor 1991- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 92. [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-541/91] MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SANTOSH 3ro MOHAN DEV): Ibeg to lay on the Table:- -Notification under Essential CommodC ties Act,1955 (1) A copy each of the following papers(Hindiand English versions) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE under sub section (1) of section MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 619Aof the Companies Act, 1956:- MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN): Ibeg - - 'The Demands for Grants of the Ministry of Mines for 1991-92 were laid on the Table on the 22nd August, 1991. 361 UhRS SEPTEMBER 5,1991 MenemunderRub3?7 362 to lay on the Table a copy d the Notification day by day In Madhya Pradesh and their No. S.0.516(E) (Hindi and English versions) activities could not be controlled at all. In the pthbhed in Gazette of India dated the 14th short span of just one month three big tragic August, 1991 fixing the maximum price of Incidents haveoccurredin MadhyaPmdesh, fertiliser with immediate effect to be sold in in which livesof 25 policemen were lost. How bags to tea, coff ee or rubber plantations or to bng such bss of lives will continue? I re- cultivators under sub-section (6) of section 3 quest the Central Government to provide of the Essential Commodities Act, 1955. necessary sophisticated arms and ammu- [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-5421911 nition to the State for curbing the growing activities of Naxalites there. It should also be provided latest oquipments to detect mines 13.07 hru to prevent recurrence of such Incidents. MESSAGE FROM RAIYA SABHA 35%(If) Need to rupply adequate qua* tlty of dlewl and kerorene to flrhemn and trans-p SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, Ihave to ratlon In Tsmll Nadu on nport the folkwing message received from the Secretary-General of Rajya Sabha:- / [English] 'In accordance with the provisions of rule 111 of the Rules of Procedure and SHRl R. DHANUSKODI ATHITAN Conduct of Buslness inthe Rajy a Sabha, (~i~~~~~iij~s~ni~~iia~busZi Iam directed to endose a copy of the services have been cancelled due td diesel Wild Life (Ptotectbn) Amendment Bill, shodage. Though the oil crisis is over yet 1991, which hor boon passed by the diesel cut has not been relaxed to tho trans- Rajya Sabha at its sitting held on the port corporations. 28th August, 1991 :- In my Parliamentary Constituency also WILD LIFE (PR0TECTK)N) AMEND- more than 30 routes are cbsed by the KTC MENT BILL 1991 and NTCduetothedieselshortage.Likewb the availability of kerosene and diesel to the Aa hued by RaJya Sabha fishermen for their boat engines has also been bssoned. SECRETARY GENERAL: Sir, Ilay on The fishermen ak working hard tocatch t)n Table the Wild Life(ProSedion) Amend- fish to meet the domestic consumptbn as ment 8111,1991, as passed by Rajya Sebho. well as to earn foreign exchange. The Cen- tral Government should provide kerosene and diesel on subsidised prices and ensun the availability of kerosene and diesel to MA7TERS UNDER RULE 3-77 them ontoppriority. The Gowrnment should ----**I distribute kerosene to the fishermen out- \ (9 ~wdtor antmi assirtrnca to board engines on ration card basis. Y th growing acthities o+ Wllulltos In Madhya Pradesh So, urge upon the Petroleum Minktry to ------lift the diesel cut for transport corporation IT- IT- (no Q3--,7~(whether it ib dired or indirect) and ensun prompt supply of kerosene and dierd to fishermen on wbsidised rater for their fish- ing aetivitiw. 363 MsrrwPund* BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAICA) Rub0377 354 (Ill)VJ tocondructoonvenlent llke where as Scheduled Caste and somewhere roads to West Kallal of as Vimukta caste. So the persons bebnglng Callcut city In Kerala to these castes are deprived of the facilitlea .(\yoe? 79 granted to the Scheduled Castes are de- ' SHRl K. MURAlEE DHARAN prived of the facilities granted to the Sched- iCA~'SIR,West~allal of Calicut city uled Castes at many places. In Delhi, these b a thickv populated area. People of this castes have been recognized as the Sched- area are facing difficulties to enter the main uled Castes but they have been enlisted road or to take vehicles to the main road under the Vimukta castes in Uttar Pradesh because of the various railway lines laid where their population is about 20 lakhs they parallelto one another, which separate West are about 5 crores in whole India. Kalld from the National Highway. Goods trains and shunting wagons are stationedfor 13.13 hrr. hours together on these railway lines. So, wein to cut across the railway to reach the [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the main road, people have either to wait till Chair] these engines are moved or climb over the compartments, due to which, sick people Iwould like to mention that these castes and pregnant women on way to hospitals are were categorised as Scheduled Castes and facing severe hardships. If the existing road Vimukta Castes during the post indepen- from Premier up to Kallai goods yard is dence period and even after independence extended to the south up to the Kupperi till 1952. Due to some unknown reabon they temple and if the vacant railway land be- were separated from the Scheduled Caste tween Payyanakkallevel levelcrossing near lists of there (that State). Tho Criminal Tribe the south cabin and the Mariyadath lane at Act (the Jarayam Pesha Act) of 1871 was the Koonikude pedestriancrossing is cleared imposed on them. It was revoked on 3181 to form a road, it would help to solve the August, 1952. problems which the residents of West Kallai are presently facing. So I invite the attention I, therefore, request the Central Gov- of the Government to the plight of the people ernment to include these castesand Vimukta of West Kallai, Calicut, and request that castes either in the category of Scheduled emergent steps be taken by theGovernment Castesor inthe categoryof Scheduled Tribes to improve the situation. so that they may be able to improve heir \xs177~) 06( r wretched conditicn through the 53 (lv) Need to reco~nlsoAherla. Government's Aids. If :I is not possioie, then - ahe ell la etc. as Gheduled caste all the facilities being giden toihe Schebuled all over the Castes and Tribes should be given to them [Translation] (v) Need for early lmplementatlon DR. LAL BAHADUR RAWAL (Hathras): of the schemes for the lmprovo= Mr. Speaker, Sir, Iwould like to 6rim to the ment of slum areas In Delhl notice of this House the pitiable cond6ions of the some of the castes such as Aheria, SHRIr*l.13--nurr-nrc.m-a TARA CHAND K~A@@AJ',- .- Baheilia Karwal, Pasi etc. who had not ac- (~hG~howk):Mr. Speaker, Sir, In Delhl cepted even the suzerainty of the English number of houslng schemes have been and Muslim rulers. They are the people who a formulated by the Delhi Devebpment Au- , had been oppressed by the English ruler. The Central Government has categorised thority during the last ten years. In 1984, a some of these castes under the Scheduled scheme for the Improvement of the D.DA and some under the Vimukta Caste. slum areas was made and flats were to k These castes are mainly the aub-castes of allotted to the slum dwellers. Bul thal scheme Aherh Whkh has been rewgnised wmc has been lying pending for the last threr 355 hkltemunder SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Rule377 356 [Sh. Tara Chand Khandehval] in public interest keeping in view the incon- venience in transportation and the difficul- years. The conditions of the quarters con- ties of sugarcane growers. And I further structed under the scheme in very pitiable. demand that of ChiknaStation bedeveloped Those houses may collapse any time. For as crossing station. the last one year, they have not been repaired. IwouM like to request the Minister concerned x$h) Need to convert Krlshnanagar to take action and ensure implementation of telephone exchange lnto elec- the scheme and allotment of quarter and repairs thereof. [English] MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri D.P. SHRl--- AJOY MUKHOPADHYAY yadav 1 (Krishnagar): mzshnanagar, the district- (vi) Need to develop Chikna railway headquarters of Nadia situated on the Indo- station (North-Eastern Railway) Bangladesh border is one of the oldest towns lnto a crossing railway station. of the country having a rich heritage of cul- f v-GT--t 375 ture and a seat of learning. After the partition SHRI DEVEND~ P-V, of Bengal, the importance of the district (Jhanjharpur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my including Krishnanagar town has grown to a name is being written as D.P. Yadav instead great extent with huge influx of population of Devendra Prasad Yadav, which led to from the other side of the border. But the misunder-standingand uproar in the house telecommunicationsystem in the distrid has in the past ....(Interruptions). not been updated and is in a very bad shape. The manually operated telephone exchange Chikna railway station which lies at the at Krishnanagar is causing much inconve- distance of 7 km. East of Tamuria station and nience to the people. 6 km. west of Ghogardiha station on the Darbhanga Niramali Rail line under I would, therefore, request the Central Samastipur Division of the North-Eastern Government to convert the Krishnanagar Railway Zone, was constructed in the year telephone exchange into an electronic ex- 1952. In view of the demands of the local change. 1> 2 $ public, the DivisionalRailway Manager (Eng.) >< '7 of Samastipur already issued orders -for (vlll) Need to complete track renewal converting and devebping that station (rail- work on shoranurNllamby llne way station) into ( a full-fledged) crossing SHRl E. raihrvay station. But surprisingly in July, 1991 -."--* .* a departmental tender was issued for con- ways have stopped the tradc renewal work verting that station into merely a Halt-station. on Shoranur-Nilambur line, in spite of fact There are about20 villages including Chikna, that this was a sanctioned work. Out of 64 Kewatria, Jaypatti, Virali, Sadui, which are kikmetres, renewal workof only44 kilometres catered by thii &!ion. This is a flood-prone track has been completed. Though funds areas and sugarcane is grown in abundance were provided for it and more than 200 in the area It will create great difficukies for worken were allotted for the work, the work the thousands of the people of that area, if for the remaining 22 kibmetres suddenly that station is converted into a Hag. stopped. Four years ago the Railway Board sanctionedthe tradc renewal wrk and funds So, Idemand withd&wal of that tender were also provided. Had it been continued, 357 ~camandsfor Grants (&n),BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA)ChmW & Fert~kets,Civr7 358 lSR91-92M. Of* Mh. of Aviath & Twrism edc. the 64 kilometres work would have been MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: They are completed. If the entire track renewalwork is coming. They are anxious to completed, the present speed of the trains hear....( lntemptions). buld be raised from 40 k.m. per hour to 60 k.m. per hour. Further, the entire money [Translation] already sanctioned may lapse due to this unjustifiable decision of the railway authori- SHRl KALKA DAS (Karol Bagh): Those ties of the Southern Railway. The people of who are responsible to run the House are that area (backward Ernad area) are very absent. much agitated over this issue. [English] Irequest the Minister of Railways to look into the matter and ensurecompletion of the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: They are said track renewal work. coming now. SHRl E. AHAMED (Manjeri): Allies are here in full strength to support the Govern- ment. [Translation] DEMANDS FOB&&ANTS (GEN- ERAL). 1991-92 - SHRl KALKA DAS: Mr. Deputy Speaker. - Sir, you please direct the Ministry of Defence Government....( Interruptions). [English] [English] x? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The House SHRl JASWANT SlNGH (Chittorgarh): will take up further discussion and voting on Sir, &old that this-the Demands the Demands for Grants of the Ministry of for Grants of the Ministry of Defence for the Defence. year 1991-92 is of particular importance to our country. Now, Shri Jaswant Singh may speak: Sir in a situation of rapidly transforming. SHRl GEORGE FERNANDES indeed transformed international and inter- (Muzaffarpur): What about the quorum. Sir? nal situation where the boundaries of yesterday's certainties have altered irrevo- SHRl JASWANT SlNGH (Chittorgarh): cably the Annual Report of the Ministry of I won't raise this. Defence for 1990-91makes for vary unhappy reading. Ireally do not know to which period SHR1 GEORGE FERNANDES: It is hot or to what particular difficulties, problems thequestion of raising, but the Minister should and challenges it is referring because Iam at least ensure this. But I am not raising #\. sure the ... R.. .(lntenlrptbns). [Translation] SHRl CHANDRAJEET YADAV (Azamgarh): Why all Congressmen are ab- SHRl RAM PRASAD SlNGH (Vikrarn sent on such an important debate? ganj): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is no [Sh. Ram Pmad Singh] happy leading and Iwill come to the interna- tional part and aspects of it in a very quorum in the House even when such an shortwhile, but if you were to reflect that we important issue pertaining to the defence of are talking about an expenditure d roughly thewuntery Is being discussed inthe House. Rs. 20,000 crores on Defence of which, it is and has been, on an average, about one- third of our Non-Plan expenditure, then wo are talking of very substantial sumsof money, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The bell is repeatedly year after year. But the particular being rung-- year to which we are now addressing our- selves is of specffic and of unusual impor- tance. The present Government has come forward with three new initiatives, the new MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now there is Industrial Policy, the beginnings of a new quorum. The hon. Member Shri Jaswant Fial Policy and a new Trade Policy. I Slngh may continue. submit that when so much is changing in- ternally and when these three new initiatives SHRl JASWANT SINGH: Mr. Deputy have been taken, you can no longer continue Speaker, Sir, with your permission, I would with a Defence Statement or Annual Report Iketo start from the very beginning, because or continue to plough the same furrow as of I had submitted only very few sentences yesteryears. While going through the Annual when the question of quorum was raised. I Report, I was struck by a very small obser- had started by saying that I hold that the vation which illustrates the outdatedness of discussion on the Demandsfor Grants of the it. It is referring to the previous Ministers, it is Ministry of Defence for the year 1991-92 is of referring to Shri Lalit Vijoy Singh, as being particular importance to our country. I sub- the Minister of State. Iam sure this document mitted that in a situation of rapidly trans- was published some months back and haa forming, indeed transformed international only been updated to meet ihe political un- and internalsituations where the boundaries certainties and changes that have taken of yesterday's certainties have altered irre- place. It would have been my expectation vocably and beyond recognition, the Annual from the Minister that at least the Report Report of the Ministry of Defence makes for itself would be updated and made current very unhappy reading. Ido not know to which enough to make the discussion on the period it is referring or to what problems it is Demands for Grants relevant and timely. addressing itself, because it is so out of What is then of particular significance is an synch with everything else that is happening analysis or assessment of the National Se- both internally and internationally. I have curiiy Environment that this Annual Reporl &en said in this Howand the other House has informed us about. h has started and that the Defence Budget is the price that we perhaps rightly by a very short analysis of pay for our foreign policy. I would like to Operation Desert Storm'. I will not quote modify that by submitting that now-adays everything, but il does tell us that: the Defence Budget k the price that we pay naton~forourforeignpolicy,but it isalso the pries that we pay for the mismanagement of 'India together with other like-minded our &mestic poky. countries, had actively worked for bringing about a cessation of hostilities, Sir, Ihad said that the Annual Report of restoring peace and promoting durabh #w Minbtry of Defence mhfor very un- mrity in the region.' Thb is pure fiction and pure myth mak- recurity environment and I commend tho ing because in the context of the Iraq's Government for the recognition af this in the invasion on Kuwait and Operation "Desert paragraph on internal situation and it merit8 Storm', what Iam particularly unhappy about mentioning. la the total irrelevance of the initiative taken by the Government of India, leave abne "There are certain developments that these boastful claims that have been made have cast their shadow on the seewhy here that lndia worked actively for bringing environment of our region. Terrorism, about cessation of hostilities. Not only lndia religious exteremism and ethnic chau- did not work actively, in fad, lndia had no role vinism have fomented separatist ten- to play whatsoever. dencies. In many cases, these have received support from external The very second paragraph of this An- sources...." nual Report of the Ministry of Defence starts with such a fanciful assertion, 1 do not know R is an admission and correct and rightful why one should pluck and go through almost admission. 100 pages of this piece of fictm. R further says: There is a brief mention here in para 3 about the process of detente and what is "Traffic in narcotics has markedly in- happening in the relationship between the creased in our neighbourhood and its twosuperpowers-now only one-that is United coupling with terrorism has created se- States of America and the Soviet Union. I rious problems for national security.' can accept that thidparticular paragraph has been so cutdistanced by the events that But traffic in narcotics has not in~eased have taken place that possibly the very b- only in our neighborhood, lndia is now the gistical aspects of publishing it etc., would transit area in the traffic of narcotics and it necessitate keeping it constantly updated. I would have been better if the Ministry of concede to the Government that the sheer Defence had recognised this problem that velocity of international change and trans- the country faces internally. It also recognises formation that is taking place is such that that the traffic in narcotics or narco-terrorism nobody could have possibly foreseen, leave is now a factor of security and it is an internal abne arranged for it to be published in an factor which is what has led me to add to the annual report of this kind. But this is begging external the internal factor. the question. Because the velocity of trans- formation and international change is so About relations with Pakistan, inevitably rapid, it is all the more necessary that a there is a paragraph. There is a mention here discussion of the security environment that of the support that Pakistan is providing to the country faces today is made meaningful terrorists, subversive elements in Punjab by making it a topical. Ido not want to quote and Jammu and Kashmir. Then, there is also everythhgformthis. But Ido wish to highlight a statement that Pakistan continues to pur- the aspect of proliferation of nuclear weap- sue procurement of military hardware and ons which concerns us. But whereas this technology from other countries far beyond 'S Wofl departs markedly from the previous its legitimate Defence requirements. ' report is the internal, That is what has led me make an assertion that now in our security 'In addition, it has continued with its consideration, the 'internal" has also become clandestine and weapon-oriented afwrain paragraph 5 of the report about nudear programme and its efforts to 363 D6wnarsds for- (m),SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Chemkak & Fertbts. CivrT 364 Aviah & TOU& efc [Sh. Jaswant Singh] with a rapidly transforming and transformed international situation is one more difficulty quire ballistic missiles and technol- that we face when discussing the Ministry of ogy-' Defence. Ihave quoted this really for one purpose. I Our discussions on this Ministry are would like to know from the hon. Minister of invariably and perhaps inevitably, defused Defence which organisation has carried out the unfocussed. Isay 'inevitably' on purpose this assessment of the security environment and. 'defused' and 'unfocussed' by choice, of the country. What collective thinking, what because there is I submit an absence of input has gone into it, because if one were to clarity of our concepts and this absence of examine this with the annual report of the clarity of concepts is not of today's making. Ministry of External Affairs for example, one tt is a continuing process which repeated would find variations, not merely of details, efforts over a number of years have not yet but of emphasis also. Iam ready to concede clarified. that the security environment assessment of the Ministry of Deferce need not always be There is a second difficulty which is that necessarily that of the Ministry of External we always invariably discuss the Ministry of Affairs. But nevertheless. granting that the Defence with insufficient, always with inad- differences the two different Ministries might equate information. have on the same problem, the question that is begged is, the institutional arrangement I would submit that despite these diffi- that has provided the Ministry of Defence culties, Iwould put it to you. through you to withthisanalysisof the security environment the hon. the Defence Minister that in my that the country faces. That is one of the assessment. the issues confronting the Min- questions that arises out of the Report. istry of Defence today are the following:- What is thisconcept of national security? 1. What are our security and defence National securiiy is not just a concept of policy perceptions in this transformed world? Defence and it is not my function here in this debate to go into any prolonged analysis of 2. In that altered world, how do we what constitutes national security. Indeed. I manage our defence most efficiently and would find that in the absence of information most cost-eff ectively? What ingredientsought that Ihave, Iam not perhaps even equipped to go into the management of that defence? to go into a detailed analysis or definition of what national security would be. But national The third issue confronting the Ministry security is a much wider and more holistic of Defence and lam not happy that it confronts concept of which the ingredientverybroadly. theMinistry of Defence is the internal situation and not exhaustively, would be the military, within the country and how does the Ministry the 'hternal and also the eoonomic, for ex- of Defence address itself to that internal ample. I think that is where, perhaps, the situation which has now became a very change that the country faces today is so important factor of our total searrii. Ibelieve much marked that, if the total national security that the Ministry of Defence cannot keep concept would encompass within it the mili- itself isolated from that. The fourth issue tary. the international and the economic. related to security facing us is the economic than Isubmit that the nation has never had dimensions of our security particularly in the nachrerse a national security environment context of the total economic crisis that the as we face today. This. when it is combined country is confronted with. The fifth is for 356 ~ernandsfor Grants (o~~)BHAD~A14,191 3 (SAKA)Chernkak & Ferth~,(M 366 1991-92 MI. of MemMin. of clarity because it is an issue that faces us Kashmiri people for the exercise of their four-square internationally and regionally. right etc. etc ..." The fifth issue is: What is the thinking of the Ministry of Defence in relation to A B C Then, very briefly he quotes about the concepts which are the Atomic, Biological nudear aspect which is: and Chemical Warefare concepts in the context of our region? "The issue of Nuclear Non-Proliferation in South-Asia is another complicating Sir, Iwill undertake a brief but a more factor in Pakistan-India relations. A is, detailed examination of all these five issues therefore. necessary to place the issue that Ihave identified. But before Ido that. 1 in its proper perspective..." would like to share with you a quote and this quotation isfrom, an Address to the National Then the Prime Minister of Pakistan DefenceCollege of Pakistan by Miyan Nawaz goes onto explain the view point of Pakistan. Sharif, who is the Prime Minister of Pakistan. Ifound it necessary to briefly make a men- While addressing the National Defence tion of this because most of our military College of Pakistan at Rawalpindion the 6th doctrine, militarythought, military planning is of June he said this. Ihave no doubt that the Pakistan -oriented because the Ministry of Ministry of Defence is aware of this. But what Defence itselfin itsAnnual Report hasspoken struck me was almost the use of the same of improving relations with the People's language both by our Ministry of Defence Republic of China. and by the Prime Minister of Pakistan when assessing the roles and the threats in the Before I go further to a more detailed context of one another. This is what Miyan examination of the five issues that I have Nawaz Sharif has to say. He has stated: presented, there is one additional point that I would leave for the consideration of the 'India's military build-up, development hon. Minister of Defence. No Ministry of of medium-range missiles and the mili- Defence, no Armed Forces of the world can tary potential of its unsafeguarded operate in asituation in which you are placing nuclear programme pose a serious the Indian Armed Forces. There is not a threat to Pakistan's security. The threat single part of the total international border is accentuated by India's refusal to re- that surrounds us except the Rajasthan solve the Kashmir dispute peacefully border that can be called a secure border or and its attempt to suppress the indig- an established, recognised international enous uprising in Occupied Kashmir.. border. and brutal use of force..'Here, one word is illegiblew. No Ministry of Defence and no Armed Forces in the world can be given responsi- It further reads: bilitiesof the kind that we are placingon them in having a situation of either hostility, near 'India has concentrated over 400,000 hostility or potential hostility with almost our military and para-military forces in Oc- entire neighborhood. Our southern periph- cupied Kashmir for this purpose. The eries unhappily are also no longer secured. heavy depbyment of its forces along In such a situation, the task that is given to hkiistan-India border also serves to the Armed Forces, urider the Ministry of heightentension. This cannot, however, Defence, is almost an unattainable task. wevent us from offering moral and po- That is why, it is so important that our con- lkal support to the struggle of the cepts be clear and .we be dear about where [Sh. Jaswant Singh] are really of profound importance to us. Ido not know what the Presidum has decided up the international situation has now brought till early this morning, the two-thirds of the W to. votes that President Gorbachev sought for at least 14 of the 15 republics to virtually be Before Igo to adetailedsubmission, not independent, was not obtained by him. But it very detailed, but a mere elaboration of the is now imminent. The debate is continuing. I iruures that Ihave identified, Ifind it neces- believe that when a shuation has arisen in sa~~to share my views with the hon. Minister the Soviet Union where the building from about what Ifeel are the dimensions of this where Lenin started the Revolution of 1917 transformed world, and what the possible is now seized , the Communist Party of the oonsequences of this could be to us. Iam not Soviet Union is debarred and banned; the going to labour the point of myth-making republics of the Soviet Union now declared about our role in the Gull war. But the Gulf independent, the future of that Union In war has indeed transformed beyond recog- whatever transformedform or shape it migM nition a great many certainties that we were emerge in six months from now, has a dired functioning with up till yesterday and they do nexus with our total securiiy thinking. have security related consequences for us. Iam not going into the aspects of doctrines And not just in a logistical sense; not just and tactical concepts. Iam covering or at- in the sense of the 70 per cent dependence tempting to cover a much wider canvas, like that the Indian armed forces have on Soviet a situation in which the possibility of a West related equipment and Soviet related supplies Asian Peace Conference in October has and spares of that equipment. There are now emerged, a situation wherein Israel is to many question connected with it. Iwill take a 1withtheArabcountries.asituationwherein minute@submittoyou. HastheGovernment the certamties of our Indo-Arab relationship addressed itsell to them? For example, take of which Iraq was a fulcrum, a kind of a just three aspects of the changes that are linchpin has now gone. When those issues taking place in the Soviet Union. no longer obtain. it would be an error of profound dimensions for the Ministry of De- First, in the recent conference of the G fence to continue to harp on yesterday's 7 countries, to which the Soviet Union was a diche. special invitee, the G-7 countries including the Soviet Union had agreed to maintain a The war that has broken out and Ide- register of transfer of weapons, which they liberately chose to call it war that has broken will share with each other. Has the Govem- out in the Balkans, the near certain dis- ment examined the implications of that on memberment of Yugodavia, one of our allies India's defence preparedness or our weapon and founder member of Non-aligned Mwe- supplies? Secondly, when the Republh of ment, the request that is being made by the Soviet Union are coming close to lndo Egypl in Accra that tho Non-Aligned Move- pendence, when questions about unW ment should naw amalgamate itself with the and control over their nuclear arsenal are In Oroup of 77, other voices that have been the fore-front today of the world's ooncem, misod inAccra inthe meetings of the Foreign for us of immediate concern, not fist of an , Minidenr of the Non-Uigned Group, raise immediate concern as of today, but for tho* queotbno which tho Mlnlstry d Defence can past two years, it has been a mottor d no longer nd address Itsell to. concern becausethe stretching atthe8eam of this Union was obvious then what m we The dewkpmentrr in the WitUnion to do. We have r 70 per cqnl dependemon Soviet weapons, weapon systems, spares, thinking. But Iput two more points for tho mmunitbn and supplles and the Sovlet consideration of the hon. Minister. I think Union b going the way of hard currency. there are serious limitations on the indo- , Whether the Soviet Union remains as a pendence and autonomy of our defence union or not, whether weapons manufacture budget making. is distrbuted over the Republics, whether the Republics are going to be independent, Idon't wish to elaborate this point much they would inevitably ask for renegotiations further. It is no great secret that one of the and In that case, where would this 70 per conditionalities of the iMF is cutting back on cent dependence of the Indian Armed forces Defence expenditure. If, in the context of a on weapons, equipment be filled from? Iwill bss of initiative on account of international ray it is every big lacunae. Iask this question developments, in the context cd our being In thecontext of identifyingthesecurity threat. ham-strung on account of internal devebp I also ask it because it is underlined in ments and if there is a third and simuitaneoua importance. By the reports that have ap- difficulty that the country faces which is on peared that about 300 AFEs. possibly T-62s account of the IMF conditionalities... and T-Ms, captured by Saudi Arabia, cour- tesy United States of America, in the cave of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please con- Saudi Arabia, have been shipped to Pakistan. clude. There will be similar other equipment that will find its way to Pakistan. Pakistan will continue SHRl JASWANT SINGH: I would beg to receive this equipment, lending importance your consideration Sir. Because of this limi- , to the points that I am making, about re- tatbn the autonomy of our Defence budget thinking, the totality dour Gvlf policy and the making is now severely curtailed and the totality of our approach to the Soviet Unbn. Minister of Defence has to share with us hi concern over this aspect. We would There Is then the third aspect, very rqnbe, we appreciate the need to sort important for the Ministry of Defence to ad- out the economic mess-this is not a debate dress itsel to. We had, over the past 44 and on the economic mess-but unless the hon. odd years, become lazy, on account of the Defence Minister shares with us the wn- cettainhy of the Soviet veto that we knew will straints that are placed on him on account of always be there. Should an international IMF conditionalities, he would not be able to rituatbnarise in which l a UN-Paksponsored have our consensus on as important an debate takes place on Jammu and Kashmir, issue as national defence. Consensus is not the Soviet veto would rescue us. h made us merely conformity. Consensus is not merely @. It prevented us from thinking out the agreeing to whatever the Government my& options. It prevented us from working out our II the Government has to get our consensur own security interests to their logical wn- both on the IMF conditionalitis and the need clurions. Iput it tothe hon. Defence Minister for limitations that the Defencebudget making that the certainhy of thio veto when it is no has today, then the hon. Defence Minister bnger there, how will the Government of has to share with us what constraints he is India be addressing itsel to this immediate operating through. 1 end potentialorapossible diff iculty that India fhight fm-These are only some of the Isubmh yet another thought and inevb j comWen~08.I possibly cannot ga into a tably Ihave to leave them as thoughts with more detailed analyma of whd the intema- the hon. Defence Minister. Iurbmil that In 1 -1 akuatbn hudone to transform the this transformed world both internationally j of our defence and recurtry related and Internally it, Iwere to look at the Ministy 371 hnadsfarGrar?Zs (Gm), SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Chemkak & FartiGzem. Cid 372 1991-92 MI. of Def'Min. d [Sh.Jaswant Singh] hon. Defence Minister consider my thought that our Defence thinking has to shift from a of defence;^ problems only from the military policy based on confrontation to security angle and not from any other angle, even through cooperation? then Iwould submit that our reactions today are reactive, and only reactive. Hence our 14.00 hrs. policy has become a reactive policy. Iput it to you that the decade of the 80s is the If the factors are international, regional decade of great loss by the country. It is my and internal, then I think this qualitative belief that till the beginning of the decade of change in thinking will have to come about. the 80s. the country held the strategic ini- Iam not filling in the details. The details are tiative. the country had regionally a position a matter of subsequent examination. But Ido wherein we had value dominance. We had a believe that both globally and nationally, we strategic initiative and we had a value have come to a situation wherein we have to dominance. It is not possible for me to transform our security doctrine, thoughts, elaborate on these concepts. Iwould leave from a security based on confrontation to them as thoughts or seeds of thoughts with security through cooperation. the hon. Defence Minister. It is in the decade of the 80s that we bst this strategic initiative, The first issue that I have identified we bst a position of value dominance in the before the Ministry of Defence is, therefore, region. and criminally, we lost the entire related to this concept of cooperative secu- decade of the 80s and bst the strategic rity. Time does not permit me to analyse this initiative on the nuclear question as well. in great detail, but some advantages of this are obvious. It would be in harmony with the Ihave no time to elaborate these points. global atmosphere that prevails. R would But Ileave these thoughts because the to- certainly be much more cost-efficient and tali of the problems that the Ministry of effective. It would be relevant in the internal Defence faces are essentially inaeasing security angle which confronts the country today. Therefore, Isubmit that if there has to today. Iput it to you that even if applied in the beachange, if we have toaddress ourselves IndoPak context, wherein if we could reas- to the five issues that were identified, then 1 sert ourselves and take the offensive about think the first change that has to come about strategic domination, then a policy of secu- is in our thinking. rity through cooperation could perhaps be of greater use to the country. I put it to the hon. Defence Minister, what about that 'mental shift d gear which There are some other aspects-if I had moves the Ministry of Defence from being more time. I would have dealt with themaf merely a reactive Ministry? What about crucial importance. That is where the nuts moving into agear-shift where we are able to and bolts come. The other point that Ihad strategically and tactically exploit opportu- identified was management of defence. In nPminstead of merely reacting to situations management of defence, I will put my as they arise? What about thinking and thoughts to the Hon. Minister of Defence. thought being applied to the possibilities of The very first aim is that you must be clear reshapingthisstrategicenvironment that the about your national aims. What are the na-, cowrtry today faces? tional aims? What is it that the nation wishes to achieve. It is only after the national aims I put it that in this decade of 90s, and-in are clear tha you can have a security con- the context of wha! is happening, would the cept and only then you can distil the defence 373 Ddsfor GranPs (Gen.),BHADRA 14,191 3 (SM)ChemicaEs & Fwtikers, Cid 374 199 1-92 Mn. of Defe~~aeMin. ,of Avktbn & Tourism& policy out of it. Therefore, it is vital that there been made about the working of Ministry of should be long-term planning in relation to Defence being hamstrong on account of matters connected with the Ministry of De- their being a specific financial advisor to the fence. Here, I would share the advice and Ministry of Defence, as some kind of an views of my good friend who has earlier held overseeing ambassador of the Ministry of this responsibility. He has been though in Finance. If you think in terms of greater and name only a Minister of State for Defence-de greater decentralisation, in termsof financial facto he was a Ministry of Defence. I share matters in other respects, Ican say that time his view entirely that the Ministry of Defence, has come for the Ministry of Defence also to or the Government rather, must receive a decentralise the decision making in financial single-point advise on matters relating to terms and if necessary, give the three Armed security from the Ministry of Defence. What Forcestheir respective Budgets and let them are the mechanisms for this single-point manage their Budget by themselves. I can advice? Here again, Ifind the Annual Report go into an endless discussion and details on of the Ministry of Defence as a very unhappy this point but I will give it again as only a document. The Hon. Ministry of Defence suggestion. would find that there is a reference made here to an organisation called the National I know that this point comes up and Securiiy Council. The wordings of that therefore, Iwill make only a brief reference to paragraph are as if the National Security it, that is, about the business of teeth to tail Council is still working. ratio. I think this is an outdated concept. In today's warefare, there is no such thing as Ihad something to do with thesetting up teeth to tail. A much better pharaseology and of the National Security Council. In the one much more accurate would becombatforces. and only meeting of this National Securiiy combat support forces and logistic support Council that took place. I put it to the then forces. Now, no combat element can func- Prime Minister that in India, we have a very tion unless there is combat support to it and high rate of infant mortality. It would be my simultaneous logistic support to it. While I hope that this new-born NSC would also not am on this point, I will make one more go the way of the routine average of infant suggestion to the Ministry of Defence. mortality in the country. I am afraid, this NSC, socalled, met only once and has not Please do away with this artificial divi- met ever thereafter. Ido not know why the sion within the Ministry of Defence and the Minister of Defence has taken the trouble to totally of the Government of India and par- include a reference to the NSC in this ticularly, in the context of the Ministry of document as if the NSC as a body was Defence regarding Plan and nonPlan ex- existing. It is non-existent. Therefore, this penditure. It isonlythenthat these arithmetics whole question of an institutionalised that come pretending before the Defence mechanism, which would enable the Gov- Budget will begin to make more sense. Sir, I ernment to receive single-point advice, after believe and again Iam in harmony with my advice has flown into it from diverse and good friend, Shri Arun Singh. Let Defence variious channels, acquires greater impor- procurement become a separate function of tance. the Ministry of Defence all together, Please separate the civil services. separate the Sir, time has now come for a fiscal Armed Forces and separate yourself from decentralisation of financial powers in the day to day pre-occupation with Defence management of Defence. A great deal of procurement. We know thedamage that has criticism here and in the earlier years has been cawed because for years together. 975 lbr Osanb m),SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Chemictcb 6 FeRiihm CivJ 376 (Sh. Jaswant Slngh] fare. the importance of missiles and anti- missiles, air power, importance d recon- attempts were made to cover up the enlor- naissance in a mobile warfare or the ques- mow scandal of Bofors. But on deleterious tins which are very relevant to us, that Is, Meet that Bofors has resutted in is that it has the relative importance of Advance Early rtopped the decision-making processes in Warning Aircraft Versus Fighters or the the Ministry of Defence. question of MBT versus Advance Light he- licopters. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF STEEL (SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV): But now it is too late. [SHRIMATI MALlNl BHATTACHARYA in SHRI JASWANT SINGH: It is not a the &aid question of late. I have always held this view ...( lntenyrtions)...you cannot. But that These are very technical and very in- b precisely begging the question because if volved questions. And I think Demands for youcover up ascandal and then you say that Grants is perhaps not the right occasion to having covered up the scandal, you will raise all these points. Ileave them asthoughts cover it up year after year that will make the because these are some of the questbns deckdon making processes paralysed. It is that have arisen as a consequence of the nat good for my good friend, my wlleague. Gulf War. the hon. Member from Tripura to laugh sadomically at what has been caused in Madam, there isone other consequence consequence. You are guilty. You are not and Ifind il necessary to share my concern free from guilt at all. with the Ministry of Defence. Ibelieve that with the loosening of the Soviet Union, the Sir, Iam suggesting an escape now for Southern RepuMiof the Soviet Union which the Ministry of Defence because Ministry of are largely Islamic, will come under the in- Defence can possibly not afford to have a fluence either of Iran or of Iraq. It is a matter situationwhereindecision making isdeleyed for us to reflect t@n and to start reflecting year after year, particularly in issues relating from now. Whether it is Uzbekistanor Tajikii to security and weapon system. That is why, nor Kazakhstan or Turkmenia or Kirghiiia. Isuggest that time has come for the Ministry change is coming about. We would do ow- d Ddenm to think in terms of having a selves a grave harm if we did not recognb beperate procurement wing all together. that change in the Central Assian concept of India's security that is now imminent. Please SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: When recognise what it would do to our securify W werybodV bemman expert in gun, then such achange went in a wrong direction. So, that is what happens to the country. we must apply ourselves to that from naw onwards. SHRl JASWANT SINGH: Regarding Odence IUD, thii b a subjed which is very Ihave taken a great deal of time. IwUI close to my heart and Iwant to spend a great just share with you a thougM and condude. dddtime on it. But Ihave no time. So, Iwill Iwas fortunate to chair a Committee In the Irweil at hepresent moment. Iwill also nat last Parliament which addressed itself to go inso the questions that have arisen about =me Impartant questbns relating to the tbotactkallessonsQfth8GulfWarorwhat Ministry d Defence. lt is not customary to th. Gulf War teaches npborff mobile war- refer to the work that that CommHtee had 377 Demands for Grants (Gen.),BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA)Cbemicals8 Fert17irets, CivJ 378 1991 -92 Ah. of Defence Min. of Aviah 8 Tourism etc done and Iwill not go into the details of it. But had introduced-the command and staff there were two subjects that that Committee streams and the differentialin their retirement examine. One was the question of Force age and please examine what it has done to levels, manpower, policy and management the morale and job satisfaction of this'par- of that manpower. On the question of Force ticular category of officers. level, Ijust leave some aberrations with you and then Icome to speck suggestions. As Madam, Imust share with the Ministry of Ihad occasion to mention this to you earlier, Defence a particular concern about the off ic- the Naval Dockyard and the Mazgaon Dock- ers deficiency, both in the Air Force and in yard are within a stone's throw. But in the the Army. I am given to understand, my Naval Dockyard, you do not pay your per- figure could well be wrong, that the offiirs sonnel what you pay tothose in the Mazgaon deficiency in the Army is about'30,000 to Dockyard. In the Mazgaon Dockyard, they 33,000. What has gone wrong; why does can go on strike but in the Naval Dockyard, such a deficiency exist; are our recruiting they cannot go on strike. You are duplicating processesto be blamed or is the iiMmaterial efforts and wasting resources. not coming? It needs to be examined. In an Air Force Squadron, instead of the estab- Then, what is the ratio between off- lished complement that ought to be there, shore and on-shore in the Indian Navy? It is there are barely 11 to 12 pilots. Please not a question of whether it ought to be a examine that. Blue Water Navy, whether we ought to dominate what. First let us start by examin- I am now on the question of defence ' ing the off-shore and on-shore ratio and see land. The Ministry of Defence is possibly. whether it is the best and the most economic after the Ministry of Railways, the largest ratio. I am given to understand that the land owner in the country.The hon. Defence number of combatant and noncombatant Minister sits literally on hundreds of thou- Airforce personnel per combat aircraft in sands of acres of prime land. A Committee India is 140. In Israel it is only 38. Why is it has done this work. I would not go into the that we need 1401 You have Hindustan details of what this Committee had done. I Aircrafi Limited and you also have the Base had the privilege of exarninlng this whole Repair Depot at Kanpur. Do you need both of question of defence land range them? Can they not be integrated somehow reorganisation etc-what can be done about in these days of difficuhy? these defence lands-in great detail. Iwould request the hon. Defence Ministerto address Ifind the whole business of promotions himsell to this particular point because in very unhappy. Ifind it unhappy that promo- this reorganisation and reform of defence tiom to the highest ranks, whether of the lands you will find that you are sitting on e Army. Navy or the Air Force, should become gold mine and if you reform it properly, issues either of contention. or of litigation organise it properly, a great many of your and worst of all, of public controversy. Iwill current economic difficukies if not sohrod not go into details of specific cases or indi- would certainly be mitigated. Fwl names. But Iwould request the Min- -her of Defence to address himself to this Iwill conclude, Madam, by making just question and examine the number of court five recommendations. There is one brief, cases that have come up lately, largely re- parochialpoint which Imentioned to the hon. king to promotions. Why are they taking Defence Minister earlier. In the Shahgarh place? Please alsoexaminethis wholevexed bulge of Rajasthan, there is a belt roughly 30 question of two stroamsthatthe Indian Army km. wMe and almost 100 km. long which is 3m ~JWI&lkw (Oan), SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Uwd& 8 Fatbts, Civl 380 199142Mnd~~d Avlietftns ~ourismk~ ~h'~aswantSingh] sion, benefits, etc. which we have discusad over the past two days and the benefiito the Wually in unadministeredterritory. Ishowed exServicemen relating to pension will not hbn the map. He Is aware of it. The BSF, be resolved finally or fully unless you have a rearrily forces are put 30 to 35 km inside the comprehensive National Manpower Polky. International boundary. Between the BSF Unless you combine this Manpower Policy post and international boundary, it is the with a detailed examination of you for# smugglers raj that now prevails. Being a level, this problem will continue to surface. desert, there is very little inhabitation there. And, ii you find that Narco-terrorism is a Sir, my final recommendation to the factor leading to national security problem, hon. Defence Minister remains, for him to then please examine this aspect. make public to the House, what we have collectively and all of us agree to with him My requests, in conclusion would be; and with hon. the Prime Minister in regard to firstly, either please revive this N.S.C. or do the claim that has been pending fora very not mntinue to play this joke on us about bng time about the demands of various Ex- having it on the book and yet it not doing Serv'kemen's Leagues for benefits to Ex- anything. If the National Security Council is Selvicemen and improvement of thek an- lo be there, then form it. If it is not to be there, ditions. please saap it. But, let us know what you intend to do with it. I think time has me Madam, Iam very grateful to you for all when we need a White Paper from the this time given to me. Ministry of Defence. This is an oft-repeated Wuest, but Ido not make it lightly, make it MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Yellaiah Nand. in a# earnestness and in all seriousness. We He Is not present. need from the Ministry d Defence a White Paper gMng, in detail, aH aspects: what Shri Kodikkunil Suresh. He is absent. consequences will all these international, htemal logistic etc. cause to our security Shri Shravan Kumar Patel. becauseof thesechanges. Madam, we need 900 a Whiie Piper on this. SHRl SHRVAN KUMAR PATEL (JatfaIpur): ~espected-&d~,"%&g %I My good friend Mr. Arun Singh has ardent believer in Gandhian and given a very fine report as the Chairman of a staunch supporter of the principles of non- he Cammiltee on Defence Expenditure. I alignment and world order, Iam basically an request, Madam. that this Report of the idealist and an optimist so far as the questkm Commitlee on Defence Expenditure, if not in of bringing peace and order is concerned to ha tpqality, certainly the Wirecommenda- this world. dkrrr of ihii Report, be shared with the Houre when the hon. Defence ~intstr~gives Our late Prime Minister ShriRajhrGandN reply. Let w examine that and let us also abo conceived of a world free of nuclear 'have the Government's response to the weapons by the end of the twentieth csnSury rocutnmendations of thb Committee on and it is indeed encouraging that the msj#; Meme Expenditure as chaired by Shri world powers have, in the last few yeen, Afufl sinoh made a podtive effortto make thb world a better place to Hve in. I pul&to tho hon. Odenoe Minktor that d~pmbbmstMwefacs~utpen- that direction. However, before the world Defence preparedness for Defence pre- roaches a stage free of strategic arms, we paredness is the sheet another of our free- *cannot ignore that designs of some of the dom. Thusan overriding national priority has powers which constantly strive to disturb the to be accorded to Defence expenditure. It peaceof the world in pursuit of their ambitions. goes without saying that any imminent ex- Only last year the international community ternal threat has to be dealt with first re- had to deal with a highly ambitious and gardless of the cost factor. expanding power in Iraq. The culmination of that misadventurewas the Operation Desert The present Budget however comee In Storm. The military disaster that Iraq has the wake of extreme economic pressures suffered as a result of United States-led arising, besides the normal factors, from the attacks neutralising within hours Iraq's sub Gulf War, the depletion of our balance of stantlal air force, nearly the same sue as payments, the erosion of confidence in our ours, underlines the compelling need for a economy abroad and the consequent de- merching reappraisal of our military planning. valuation of the rupee. Soviet Defence Minister DimitriYazov's Coming as it does from such unprec- statement that his country has to review its edented economic crisis, the Defence Bud- entire air defence system in the light of the get has been pegged at just Rs. 16,350 Gull War is very important in this context. crores against the last year's expenditure of Lke Iraq, India's potential for air combat and Rs.15,750 crores. defence is based largelyon Soviet equipment. In real terms it may appear to be a Thus the picture that has emerged from decrease over the last year's allocation; since the Gulf War is that countries having supe- sustained and healthy growth rate of rior Air striking power dictate the course of economy is absolutely indispensable for war. Henceforth India will have togivegreater maintaining an adequate level of defenu emphasis on harnessing our air striking ca- "Nothing" say Enpls 'is more dependent on pabilities vis-a-vis the recruitment, mainte- economicconditions then precisely the Army nance and deployment of a large size human and the Navy." Inevitably, every year during army. the Budget Session views are expressd about the affordability and adequacy of our Another lesson that we have learnt from Defence allocatbns. Much, of course, de- the Gulf War is the military powercan best be pends on the criteria used to determine tho used and made most effective by pooling all external threat perceptions. wailable resources from which follows the need fore unified command. General Norman According to a British General 'No Schwarzkopf exerdsed overall control of all country or alliance can consider bet ed- the forces of coalition partners. equably defended unless it has a range of capabilities available to its opponents.' The difference with the way the Indian Translated in terms of India's geopolitiorJ Armd Forces operate is best illustrated by situation it means that we cannot consider report of the late Air Chief Marshal P.C. ourselves adequately defended unless wo Lars recollectbns wherein he categorically can match full range of capabilities of our Writes about the lack of integrated planning. potential adversaries, namely, Pakistan +nd India is a vast country having an enormously China at least singly if not collectively. Yd It bng border and avast sea coast and we can is Indeed relevant that for detqrmining afford my sledcness in ward .to our dfordability the main criteria should bo in 383 Ddfur Grants (Gen), SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Chemkak & Fertikets Cid 384 1991-92W.d WemMi of [Sh. Shravan Kumar Patel] a key role in making South East Asia a nudear free zone. Perhaps the recent visit of terms of human devebpment. Iquote 'The Gen. Rodrigues to USA could throw some military expenditure of a nation cannot be light to this aspect. considered affordable unless certain mini- mum standards of health, education and I agree with the views of the hon. wetfareofthe people have been met.'Looking Member, Jaswant Singh. There are certain to these parameters the present allocation developments that have cast their shadow seems to be rathei adequate. on the security environment of this entire region. Terrorism, religious extremism and Viewing the situation in the present ethnic chauvinism have fomented separatist context we see acontinuing effort on the part tendencies and in many cases they have of Pakiitan in augmenting and reinforcing its received support in lndia from our military power. Besides acquiring M-11 mis- neighbouring countries which is greatly siles from China it is acquiring at least 40 F7 regretable. fighter planes from China and striving to secure the second package of 60 F-16's Traffic in narcotics has markedly in- from USA. Inthiscantext. ourscientistsand creased in our neighbourhood and its cou- technicians deserve our heartiest congratu- pling with terrorism has created serious lations for successfully testing Prithvi, Agni, problems for national security. Trishul. Akash and Nag missiles. One dis- turbing news is that some 300tankscaptured Perhaps the formation of National Se- intact from Iraqi retreating forces are some- curity Council could play a pivotal role in how finding their way to Pakistan. Indian times to come, taking into account linkages Government should take necessary action. between the evolving external situation in the political military and economic field and As an aftermath of Glasnost and our domestic situation. Perestroika the process of increasing co- operation between USA and USSR contin- The Ordnance Factoriis in lndia need ues to gather momentum. Fundamental to be urgently technologically upgraded. The political changes are occurring in the East process of modernization should start at the European countries. Because of these mo- earliest. With the possibilities of spares mentous changes the military role of the procurement from the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact has ended. The recent devel- earstwhile Eastern Block countties being opment in Russia are further going to have a converted to Hard Currency we must em- far-reaching impad on gbbal non-proliera- bark on crash reorientation programme to tbn of nuclear weaponry provided their service the Soviet Block equipment in terms nudear submarines do not fall in wrong of earning foreign exchange. These same hands. Even the conventional weapons and factories can meet the requirements of a forces in Europe will be reduced to signifi- phenomenal gbbal market wherein other cantly lower level. countries are facing similar problems as India, but they do not have the infrastructure The recent signing by France and China to meet their defence requirements. of nuclear nongroliferation programme should induce lndia to fdbw suit subject of This has become even more necessary aouse to the fact that Pakistan gives up all with the recent trend of events in the USSR ib designs and efforts to building a nudear weapon. Iam sure the Super Power can play The defence production factories aS Jabalpur should be kept foremost in mind civilian empbyees. In this regard. I had a while deciding upon the modernisation plan consultation with the Attorney General, Mr. so as to safeguard the interests of over Soli Sorabjee when we were in the Govem- 40,000 Government empbyees there. ment and he had told us that a reasonable t distinction can very clearly be made. The Jane's Defence Weekly of 24th August tenureof Jawanor Army man is muchshorter 1991 clearly quotes that Soviet scientists than the tenure of the civilians. Infact, forthe who visited lndia recently have suggested Jawan, it is only 17 or 18 years and it a very that the missile systems could beoverhauled short tenure of employment. So, theduration using the existing material in lndia in our of employment opportunity is small. The risk factories. is much higher. Certainly, the last risk that one takes is when one goes to the Army or Inthe end, Iwould like to state that lndia the Air Force or the Navy. Also, the time of being a peninsula has vast coastline with an stay away from his family, you have to enormous exclusive economic zone. This calculate in the defence service. area is going unexpbitedwhich we can only ill afford in the context of a growing popula- So, the hardships are much greater tion. An area where defence efforts will have than any other service. direct spin offs in the economic sphere is in maritime and ship building industry. The At the same time, even in the Constitu- Research and Development wing may be tion, it is given that the President of lndia is suitably directed to formulate an action plan the supreme commander of the force. This is in this respect. a very very special provision. This specific C provision itsetf distinguishes this force from Isupport the Demands for Grants. the other. Iwant to assure the hon. Minister that if any legislation is required or anything of that SHRl-I_ _VISHWANAW _ P-@T-WflEH sort is required to protect the ex-servicemen, (Fatehpur): Thank you Madam for giving me w are ready to cooperate with the Govem- this opportunity. ment and the Government can bring a leg- islation where there can be no doubt about Before Icome to the general issues, I their separate classification. want to take the issue of the pension of ex- servicemen. This is something which is agi- In this regard, the National Front Gov- tating the ex-servicemen for quite a bng ernment had taken a decision in October time. And recently the Opposition leaders 1990 to give benefits of pension to the ex- met the Prime Minister on his invitation and servicemen.The CCP had taken thedecision the hon. Defence Minister was also there. of giving benefits from sepoy to subedar Here, on the fbor of the House, I would major level.The Government had in mind to pointedly want to put this issue. give it to all the oficen also. The point was that at that time do we hold backthisdecision The ex-senricemenhavebeen agitating of giving benefits from sepoy to subedar J6r 'one rank one pensbn* for quite some major who constitute more than 90 per cent time. The usual argument that was being of the ex-servicemen, till we take the final given is that it will not be possible to make a decision in resped of the officers also or we reasonable distinction between ex-service- announce this and then process in respect of men and the other Government employees, the officers. We took a decision to announce [Sh. Vishwanath Pratap Singh] clarification is coming forth very dearly and categorically that the benefits to the ex- what we have already processed and the servicemen will be not less than what had Government's announcement was made already been decided, it will not be possible after the CCP's decision. Then the package for the Janata Dal to further get into any br the officers was also being processed. committed or any other proposal of this na- The commitment of the Government for the ture because this is the minimum assurance dkomwas also made clear through a press that we look forward on the floor of the release on behag of the Government that House. Governments may come and Gov- whenever is finalised for the officers, they ernments may go. But any assurance given also will get the benefits from the same date on the floor of the House has much greater aotherranks. Here Iwould request the hon. weight. This is what we have understood. tl Defence Minister that he should make it there is any difference in understanding dear on the floor of the House that whatever between the hon. Minister and what I am th proposals he may have in this regard, no saying, it may beclarified. But this is what we no occount the benefb to the ex-service- demand on the floor of the House today. The men should be less than what had already announcement must come right now from been decided by the National Front Gov- the Defence Ministerthatthe benefits will not ernment. This is just the minimum. In fact, I be less then what had already been decided would bdc upon you to improve it. When all upon. faults are being found, Iwill be happy to find MIO more fault here also and then an im- Now coming to the general debate, provement is made in this. Here also it has though there is a 4 per cent increase, a been our understanding that this is the in- nominal increase, inthe budget provisionsof tention of the present Government that in no the Defence Ministry, if we take care of wt$y the benefits will be less to the ex- gbbal inflation and devaluation. in real terms renkemen than what the National Front there is a cut in defence budget. We know Owemment had decided upon. that there is an economic hardship. We are in diffiilt times. But import of real cut in real Iwant to state it deadyon the fkorof the terms should be fully understood. I will Howe that in matters d public interest there elaborateon thisas Idealwith various points. ir no question of secrecy because we are all concerned with a matter in which the ex- Here it is necessary that a holistic view amvicemen are emotionally involed and so is needed when it comes to the defence and dw all d us. May I state that from the security and we cannot take only a fiscal mooting we had with the Prime Minister in approach to it. Security is not merely now a the preronco of the Defence Minister, we matter of the Defence Ministry, because of dearly understood and we were given the international environment, foreign policy, ruurance that the bonefib that will accrue eaonomk situation, various social forces in b the ex-servicemen will not be less than the country, any elements of alienation that what the National Front Government had maybe taking place in any part of thecountry, to give them? Here also we were drugs and their connectbn with terrorism @on the ruwrancs that a statement to this and-alsoof clandestineoperations. We have dl& would bo mode on the floor of the now come across BCCI. So, now the defence Hourebythe DefencoMlnister. Ibok forward of the country and its security is no longer b thdmment and thatdarlicatbn on the with one Ministry. Therefore. it is necessary lbar of the House. Iwant k make it clear on to take a holistic view, an integrated view and k)ult d the Jan- Dal that unless this for thb propose it is necessary that the ooncept dthe NationalSecurity Coundlthat only to react to a securii threat, but also was approved by the National Front Gov- what the positive initiative we should take. ernment should be carried forward and as So, here it is necessary to take a holistic Shri Jaswant Singh just now said that it view. Not only the Defence Ministry but ev- should be made operative. It is also neces- erybody will have to be involved and that is ray because the way the Government runs. why we made theconcept of NationalSecurity the Minkter changes, the Prime Minister Council. It should be underthe Prime Minister changes and even the Chiefs of Staff also who can coordinate with all the Ministries change because there tenure is about two or and real decisions could be made. two and a half years. So, there is no memory bank today, no continuity is there-and with Now, along with this security, we have the individuals their cannot be changes of also to take into account a new form of threat poli. Now, this is what we are being sub- of low level insurgency. No;@, low level in- jected to and the policies are falsified. So, it surgency we are facing in Jammu and Kash- h all the more necessary to have a National mir and Punjab. Ithink in our assessment of Security Council. It wasconsidered that it will how to deal with this, it is not the Defence not be above the Cabinet. It was decided Ministry alone that can deal with it. the Home within the Cabinet that the National Security Ministry has to be involved, the economic Council will be there, a Planning Policy Ministrieswill have to be involved, the political Committee in which Chiefs will be involved leadership will have also to be involved. So and a permanent Secretariat thereof which the real threat today requires a collective will provide the necessary material to the responsibility. Also this low level insurgency, NationalSecurity Councilas well as Planning although it poses a threat which we have not .Policy Committee. faced in earlier wars or conflicts, is what will happen behind the lines. I suppose there So, here Iwould request the hon. Min- should be an analysis of this and a thinking ister to make a statement to this effect that on this asto howwe meet such acontingency. National Security Council will be made op erative because that is necessary to meet All this has now become necessary to the challenges of security that we have. weave into a long-term plan and find out solutions for it. At the same time, it is necessary to have an assessment of the threat perceptbn for a Along with this, the threat perception b bnger period. Because of this flux in the also of weapon acquisition poli. We do not Government, Isuppose, every one is more have a weapon acquisition poliwhich will concerned about the immediacy and the fit into the contours of our assessment of immediate and what during his tenure will be threats and how do we respond to it. What the possible things that will crop up, perhaps, happens today? The budget allocation is the long-term perspective is lost. Therefore, made and the various Chiefs arealbttedthat defence plan of 15 years for the minimum money-the Army, the Navyandthe Air Force- becausethat is the life of ourweapon system in acertain proportion, which has been going also would be the appropriate time frame to on. In that way the money is distributed. But assess the various threats-not only assess- no integrated view is taken. What will be the pent of securiiy threat, but there should be optimum mix?The same money can buy you ffban assessment of what our goals are tanks. It can also buy you aeroplanes. It can now, what positively we want to achieve? also buy you missiles. Now, what is the We certainly want to achieve peace in this proper mix inthe threat environment that we region. How do we achieve that? So, it is not have? Do we need to put more of aircrafts or 391 Demands for crants (en.), SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Chernkak & FatrZizers, CivJ 392 1M1-92 Ah. of Defence Min of [Sh. Vii~w~athPratap Singh] public sector investment. While money has ' been put in and we need these units for our acornbinationof missiles or of tanks? Which self-reliance, budgetary provision for pur- will be the best combination? Now, this ex- chases is not there. So. these public sector ercise is not done. So, an integrated view units are going in the red or just do not have has to be taken and this is what is very orders. lt is not the private sector which will neussarybecause we have seen in the Gulf buy their products. So. where do they go? In war. Now it is technological war. So. just this how do we match? When we put in a mechanically going on the way we are going public sector unit, I think a longer-term on-will not do. We have to take the new commitment of the Government will be reality into account because we have seen necessary as to its purchases so that our technological upgradation, technological public sector units in the Defence do not surprises across the border. How do we become losing and redundant units. At the respond to it? This is what concerns the same time. the spin off benefits of space present budget. research, of atomic energy and also of De- fence, should flow to the economy. So, in a The cut has come in R&D. The cut in way, for strengthening the economy, the RBD will mean ten to fifteen per cent cut. Let contribution from the Defence Ministry is us see what does this budget really mean. there. USSR has been one of our very reliable friends. Even today our friendship is as firm One thing now we should take note of is as ever and we must cultivate it further. But how do we respond to what we now see as there the situations are changing. They have daylight of the nuclear capability of Pakistan. all the good reason. They all will stand by India But. at the sametime, with the economic Ithink it is time that we recognise that changes that are taking place and with all even the U.S. Administration has not been that is happening many times, it is now the able to give a certificate under the Preslar question of whether at the same rate the Law that Pakistan does not have nuclear supplies of spares and all that will be capability or nuclear weapon. For that sake, available.That has come on one side. The money has also been denied to Pakistan. I other side is that withour balance of payment think it is time that we cannot close our eyes problem and also the availability with the to this fact. It is much better if we openly say: West, how much will be there, because we Yes, Pakistan does have nuclear capability. knm hat there are politiil considerations Pretences in this matter are not going to help when it comes to arms supply. Then what is us nor it will be clarifying our responses. By the answefl Except self-reliance in these accepting the fact that Pakistan does have matters and the strengthening of our R&D, nudear capability- it is dear as daylight-now there is no other answer. And precisely that even U.S. realised that if it did not have it, it is where the cut has come. I think this is could not certainly certify as such. something very dangerous and it should be atqpd. Any delay in Arjun tank or LCA will Now where are we? We are living in be much more costlier in the long run, oblivion. Ido not know how the Government whatever savings we may try to do at this will make a response. What will be the re- juncture. sponse? Iam not saying that we should get into a nuclear race. At the very outset, Iwant Coming to public sector units in the to make it very clear. But the fact and the Doha, with these budget cuts, what is reality have to be recognised and an open happening? Lol of money has gone into dialogue on that basis with Pakistan will be 393 Demands for Grants (Gen.),BHADRA 14,1913 (SAICA)Chemricals & FeRlizes, CivJ 394 1991-92 Ah. of DdemMin. of Avhh& Tourism etc. more realistic rather than trying to put it should go on. And then we can jointly put under carpet and trying to behave as if pressure on other countries who have nuclear nothing happened. capability and whose weapons can reach the sub-continent. And then we can fall into At the same time it is very clear; once arrangement on non-use of nuclear capabil- this reality is understood, there is a radical ity against each other. change in the strategic situation. Conven- tional weapons and conventional warfare Now, in this situation, while on the side have no meaning. How do we face this of Pakistan in the long-term certainly we situation ? I would like know from the hon. have to aim at finding more practicalsolutions Defence Minister whether he could assure and it can be more sagacious for us that our that the country will not be faced with a relations improve and the ultimategoalshould position of disadvantage in any symmetry be in that direction, but the realities in between of this nature. At the same time, we should have to be taken note of. Ithink the security also enter into a dialogue of oonfidence- environment is very important that we improve building. What will this lead to ? Once this our relations with China which we started position is clear that we do not go into nuclear and we continue to make efforts in that race pact, a dialogue of confidence-building direction and it was a good sign that China will be needed. Because the economic com- and lndia agreed to pull their forces on the pulsions of both sides will be so harsh that I border because if there is no intention on think there should be more realistic approach either side to try to occupy territory, there is to ourforeign policy between each other and no point of heavy concentration of troops on from measures of confidence building to the Sino-Indian border and the positive measuresof reduction of arms. As everybody progress that has been made on either side, knows, nuclear war cannot be won. It is not I think we should continue with China. The worth fighting. This logic will bring us closer whole security environment changes once to reality and also once we openly recognise with China we have our relations improved the fact that Pakistan does have nuclear and for our security I think that should be capability. there will be international pres- Agenda No. 1 of our foreign policy of im- sures; it will not be able to put cover on provement of relations with China Pakistan and to desist from this path. With USSR already we have got rela- Coming to N.P.T.,I want to put a poser tions, they have to be further strengthened. to those who have been trying to pressurise Certainly it does concern when 11 missiles lndia to sign the N.P.T. ? What is N.P.T. are transferred to Pakistan and there is now ?What are you forcing us ? Ithink it will lead talkof co-productionwith Pakistan. Ithink we to much healthier and more realistic debate. should use our offices and our diplomacy Ithink the objection should not be of nuclear there and try to cancel this and see that it race between the two countries but should does not further increase. be towards agreement to non-use of nuclear Capabilityt against each other and non-first- Regarding U.S., I think we have a strike of nuclear weapons. Ithink there was problem of US arms reaching Pakistan and some dialogue earlier for this purpose, for that has been our problemfor a long time and telling each country that its atomic installa- the country will be telling them, that is one of tions should not strike on the other. Ido not the serious problems that we face. But we know how much progress has been made or have noticedthat there has been ashift in US whether Pakistan has given the details position so far J.B K, is concerned, and I thereon etc. I think pressure on that side think there is a better appreciation in the (Sh. Vishwanath Pratap Singh] that we have, we shduld be able to expbitthe opportunities that would open up on this mme that they are now talking about talks. account to our advantage. So bilateral solutions should come. The interest of US in curbing narcotics I think we should try to cooperate because Then, Iwant to say one thing about ex- here narmtics laundered money adversely. servicemen. The National Front Government This is a nexus which is a nexus which is a decided that 75 percent of the personnel real security threat for us and US interest in would be drawn to Rashtriia Rifles from the stoppge of narcotics should be watched. ex-servicemen. lt was a very good proposal Uhimately it is the US that is doing and Ithink where the ex-servicemen would have had we should divert their interest in terrorism an opportunity for re-employment, because that they have. many times, we have sent either poiiceorthe Army to States like Punjab, Kashmir and These are the points which, 1 believe. Assam. So, the Rastriya Riles could have we should take note of. Now, Ithink with filled this need and Iwould request the hon. USSR, in the new situation, identlying the Minister that the Rastriia Rifles concept coproductDn will be a more fruitful line than should be pursued with because that will the supplies from one side. That will be the give pbopportunities to the ex-servicemen. healthier approach and I think the USSR would also be interested in coproduction. I Lastly, I want to say that the Nobel think we improve the relations with USSR on Company which owned the Bofors Company the one side and ours with China and China has now been taken over by theGovemment and USSR on the other side bilaterally. This of Sweden. M the Government of lndia does can be a basis of our future securii frame- apply pressure, I think, much of the infor- work. When I say 'security', I mean not mation that the Government of lndia need8 tormol arrangements with any Bloc etc. could be forthcoming. In a short duration, we CeRPinly not That is not what Imean. But could freeze the Swiss Bank accounts. Even certainly an improvement of relations be- in the Philliiinescase, they were not ableto tween the three wil have a stabilising effect get the documents of Macros, but we could in this area, in thii region, and thii abne we succeed intwocourse against AE. Senrb. should aim at. Wth in a few months we could get the documents of the A.E. Services with us Now, after the bipolar world evaporating, which has Jordanian connections and also we have seen that the US as one force has we could get the secret part of the Swdih meand is exercising its mudpower of Audit Bureau Report. Our blacklisting of the money and arms and all that and trying to Bofors had started telling on them and had impose its will. That is one of the fears that started showing cracks in the Bofors. Now, we have. But still as I visual'i, there will be with the new management in Government, fieroo economic armpetitii between US why should we pay for anything or pay for the and Europe, and US and Japan. The eco- sins of the earlier management ? This is tho micsanctions will be there and I don't correct time and if the Government @lea think it is going to be reduced in the near pressure, further information on Bofors would kAwo. come. Ilook forward to an assurance from the hon. Defence Minister on thb account. It b these tensions that will contnthueto @ve w hayad in tho new oriintation With these words, Iroitento d Ibok toward to assurance on the ex-servicemen full of people who are ageing. But the fact of kr the spirit in which we had a dialogue with the matter is that these 50,000 people who the hen. Defence Minister. are coming out of the Services every year at 7 the age of 40 years of below 40 even are '3 sSHRl INDERJIT GUPTA (Midnapore) : trained people and are disciplined people. Mr. Chairman, Sir, a very wide canvas has Perhaps they are the most disciplined group been covered by the wntributions to this of people inthecountry today. Ihave to admit debate which have been made by some of it. We have to think where they are to go and the eminent speakers on this side of the how they are to maintain themselves and House, particularly. (Intemrptbns) As far as their families. In the case of civilians, there is the question of ex-servicemen is concerned generally some sort of a retiring age and the which which has been very much in the headlines age of superannuation is fixed and they in the last few weeks and which has caused retire at that age. Here, there is nothing d a considerable amount of public agitation that kind. with all parties, Ithink, irrespective of party differences and labels expressing broadly Secondly, when a civilian employee I8 their sympathy and support for the demand disabled, let us say, he meets with some of the ex-servicemen4 agree with Shri V.P. accident or is injured or loses hand or leg or Singh that today in a short time we are going something, generally it is thb practice that b conclude the voting on the entire Budget, such civilian employee is given some alter- actually by 6.00 p.m. and the Defence Min- native job, which is described as some lighter later has got an opportunity here now on the form of work, which he can manage despite floor of the House to state quite dearly as to hisdisablement. That kind of attitudetowards what the Government proposes to do in this them helps many of them when they are matter. Personally Iam of the opinion that, disabled. But this is not a case with tho that pi,rase or formula whatever you would servicemen. When you lose hand or foot or like to call it, 'one rank one pension' is not something, when you are a soldier in the strictly an accurate formula in its implication Army, that is the end of it for you. There is no and definition. It is not accurate; it is a con- question of getting any alternative pb or venient way of expressing of what the ex- lighter job or anything. You go out. So, we amicemen have been wanting. But the main have to bear these things in mind. point is that, all these arguments that civilian 8ide being neglected or they will raise these This is a different lot of people. Iam not demands once the ex-servicemen get, we going into all the questions. For example, Should be quite clear that these are two other Members here have raised about different entities altogether. housing. I know civilian employe& also do not get adequate housing. But after all, these It is not only a question that the majority are people who are prepared to risk their d the Servicemen have a very short period lives in the service of the country. Iwm really d ~rvka,though that is a very major factor, quite emotionally moved when I raw el but also something else. Approximately theseex-senricemen who had gathered here 50,000 people are retiring annually from the the other day for a very d'ilhed and hncesenrkem below the age of 40, well peaceful kind of dharna Many of them, you +,' hwOen the age of 35 and 40 years. This Is see, were wearing @Lurtay awards. They bdng done, in the words of the Ministry, to came with their medals andgallatctnryawards Mtdnwhat bcalled, the youthful profileof as veterans of the Bangladeshwer, vatcuans OW bfwmforces. They should be young; of so many other wars. These ara the pqlo thy rhould W young. Thqshould not be who are prepared tq sadiioe everything 399 Demands fw Gmnts (Gen.), SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Chernkak & Fertilizers. Civil 400 1991-92Mn. of De(ence Min. of [Sh. lnderjii Gupta] by an assurance that whatever may be given in future will not in any case be less than what including their lives. We remember them was decided by the V.P.Singh Government. only at the time of war. This is the whole We cannot go back. we have to go forward. trouble. At the timeof war, the whole country It means that whatever pensionary benefits is in euphoria singing loudly and praising our the Government may decide in future -first of soldiers, our airmen and our sailors. But all, of course. the decision should not be when there is no war, in normal peace time, delayed for months and months but there it is very easy to forget the fate of these should be some time-bound arrangement people. That is why, this demand has as- made-whatever is given henceforth, should sumed particular significance, Ithink, in the be extra. That means additional, over and public mind also. above, what was decided in October, 1990. That should be clearly stated here. Without We do not know why the 1990 decision that, the ex-service men will not find any which was taken by Mr. V.P.Singh's Gov- credibility in the offer. They will feel that this ernment which we were supporting, though is just another Committee. We have already it was limited and was described as an ad had three or four Committees. If you just try hoc decision and it extended only from the to hand them out and another committee Sepoys up to the Subedar Majors was not without an~hiqelse. well, Ido not thinkthe implemented. The next instalment if it had ex-service men will react favourably to that. come-but did not come because the Gov- There will be afeeling of bitter disappointment emmentfell-wouldhave covered the officers and disillusionment. also. But we do not know why that whole scheme which was prepared, which was Therefore, since the country owes so finalised, which was worked out, whose fi- much to these old soldiers, I hope the new nancial implications were calculated, which Defence Minister will make things clear here went up to the Cabinet and approved by the on the floor of the House. Cabinet, was not being implemented. We do not know. Why had Mr. Chandrashekhar's Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh has also Government kept it in abeyance ? What spoken at length about the National Security were the reasons for keeping it in abeyance Council which was set up during his time. In have not been disclosed. Ido not think, this fact, much of his speech today was outlining is acorred method to go about these things. the tasks which the National Security Council Of course, everybody knows that there have should take upon itself. I do not know what been intensive discussions going on for the the National Security Council is doing. We last two or three days. should be told something about it. It was set up over a year ago and its task was to make I do not venture to say that there is certain assessments of a strategic nature. complete identity of the points of view of the We do not know what assessments they leaders of polit'd parties and the Govern- have made so far. In this changing world, not ment, but Iam hopeful that a kind of broad only changing world but largely changed agreement can be reached, as Mr. world, what are the new strategy assess- Vihwanath Pratap Singh said. provided the ments that this National Securiiy Council Defence Minister makes it amply dear on the has been discussing or has been formulat- floor of the Housethat whateverthey propose ing? to do now whether they want to set up another w om hit tee andgo into further details Ido not want to go into all those things and all those things but that must be preceded about the nature of the Pakistani threat. 401 Damands for Grants (Gen.),BHADR 14,1913 (SAKA)ChemimEs & Fertdizes, Civa 402 199 1-92 Mn. of Defencw Min. of Aviah 8 Tourism etc Even this morning, the Minister of External was after all a war for oil. It was not a war for Affairs was asked about the visit of the anything else. But what are the repercussions Foreign Secretary of Pakistan recently and going to be in this area, in I-ndian Ocean he has replied saying that he had conveyed area, in the Western part of our country? the message from the Prime minister of There must be some assessment by the Pakistan to our Prime Minister that the National Securiiy Council in this regard. Sir, Government of Pakistan was sincerely in- Iwould like to hear something about the new terested in resolving all bilateral problems change in the Soviet position, as has already through serious and constructive dialogue been mentioned. Ido not want to go into that for normalising relations between the two again. But certainly it has some impact on countries. Well, so far so good. But we are our national securiiy. Of course. Shri S. worried, all of us are worried. because the Krishna KUMAR intervened yesterday and experience on the ground, the reality on the had given some assurance to the House of ground does not always conform to these the outcome of his recent talks with the admirable sentiments which the Pakistan Scviet authoriiies regarding thecontinuation Foreign Secretary stated when he was here. of cooperation between the two countries in defence matters particularly. Ihope that his What exactly is our assessment ? The assurances are well-founded because National Security Council must think of this. changes are taking place all the time. We do They must have thought about it and spell not know about it. It is not a question of out. intention. It is a question of capacity. The Soviet Union also cannot for ever go on We are having some quite serious type behaving like a sort of a Santa Claus, handing of exchange of fire and hostilities' in the out things for the Christmas, free of charge. Poonch sector of Kashmir. Now may be to everybody right and left. They are in a things are quiet again because the Army tremendous economic crisis themselves, in Commanders on both sides have met and a crisis of resources. Therefore, the terms of tried to come to some kind of a truce or a these cooperation and supplies and all that. settlement. But what was it ? It is not a the terms if they are amended or changed to symptom of peaceful intentions at all. They some extent. we should not be surprised or are giving help to the terrorist activities, should not take it amiss. It does not mean particularly, Iwould say, in Kashmir. that the supplies will not come anymore. But they may not come on the type of terms on After the Gulf War and socalled victory which we are getting them earlier. But we of the US armed forces over Iraq, there is a have toget those supplies, Ibelieve, because big seachange in the whole equation of 80-85 percent of our weaponry has been forces in this area, that is to say, in the Gulf supplied from that country. We cannot sud- area. denly turn-over; switch over to some other sources of supply. In any case such sources The United Statec. may be feeling now of supplies may not be available. that their technology, their superior technol- ogy and their tremendous concentration of Sir, in this Annual Report of the Ministry- fire power which they have demonstrated Iam not quoting it-they have, in aparficular during the Iraqi war is something against section, dealt with- what they said was-the which noother power, no othercountry will in main thrust of the Seventh Defence Plan any case be able to stand. They are left as which is now coming to an end. We have the sole Superpower &w, dominating this been having the five-yearly Defence Plan whole area, dominating the oil-rich area. It since 1963. This report refers to, what It (Sh. Inderjit Gupta] got Iimitatbns. We may like to be sel-reliant in these things. But we cannot just use It as oonslders to have been, the main thrust of a phrase. But much more attention has to be tho Seventh Plan. Now, the Eighth Plan is given. being chalked out. What is going to be the main thrust of this in the Eighth Plan? The Wespent something like Rs. 1500crores Ministry must have thought about it. The ashort while ago in entering into this contract N,tknal Security Council must have thought with the Bofors Company forthe purchaseof about it. What is to be the main thrust of this these Howitzers. That agreement, that con- Eighth Defence Plan in thenew environment? tract with Bofon included the number of badly, something should be told to us. guns which would be supplied to thiscountry Obviously, air-power, of course, has be- within acertain time schedule. After that we come inaeasingly decisive. ll is true that air- do not know anything about what is happen- power does not mean only having combat ing. The spares for thsse guns, the ammuni- &raft. It does not mean only having heli- tion for those guns were all, according to that wpters. It means all these things. It also contract, to be supplied to us within acertain means having missiles and all that. So, this time frame. And Iwish to know about it. It is airpower will be decisive in any future hos- no secret, Ithink, now for anybody whether tilities. Unfortunately, most of the equipment at least terms of that contract in these respeds which is needed today fordeveloping the air- is being properly adhered to or not by the power is having to be inducted and will supplier. The other part of the agreement cordinue to be inducted for some time, I was devebping of indigenous capacity to presume, from abroad. We have not yet manufacturethe Bofon guns on the basis of developed our indigenous capacity to the their Swedish technology. That is a part of extentof providingthiscountrywith adequate the contract. We paid money for that. It was air-powerindigenous~manufactured.There said, "they will help us to set up indigenous Is mmo progress, a little bi progress but that production base here." What has happened Is far from adequate. So, what is going to about that ? happen ? We should know about it. Very expensive things are going on inducted from May we know something? Vast sumsof had. money are involved in it. Though the Defem Minister may not be the only authority to Sir, we are suffering from a tremendous speak on this question about further inves- resources aunch. There Is nodouM about it. tigation into that Bofors kickbacks case, yet Whatever may be the reasons for it. Iam not the way has been cleared. Ido not know why going into that. The fad of the matter is that my friend on that side gets so agitated about there is a tremendous crunch in resources, it. We want the truth to come out. It does nat partiwlar in foreign exchange resources t his matter, what it is. It is better the truth comes camtry is havingto face now. Othemise, we out so that all kinds of rumours and gossips vuould not have to go to IMF, this and that. and all that can be dispelled. Somebody ha Butto buy thbtypeof equipment from abroad taken that money. It is not our saying. It hthe haomethbrg which is realty aquitelorrnidable National Audit Commissionof Sweden which prorpect* revealed, for the first time, that this company hod paid an amount of about Flr. 65 crorm to romebody. But they said that they could nol reveal the identity d persons who took the money, That b their law, their ruler, Ido not know that. After that prolonged Oxmiw hu been gone into and you know very well that to it that it ends favorably for us. has beentaken to court where the FIR bdgetj by the CBI was challenged by a Iwant to make only one or two points. ~~~tl~manwhofillda Public Interest Litiga- One point is that in view of this crunch in tion- one Shri H.S. Choudhuri- whom the resources of foreign exchange, we cannot Supreme Court has now declared to be a go on buying more and more expenshre person who has no locus standi at all and equipment from abroad. Whatever is abso- who cannot enter into this litigation. But that lutely essential, if we cannot do without It. litigation wasdragged on for months together then we will have to buy, we will have to get demanding that the FIR lodged by the CBI some money. Otherwise. Ithink. an extended should be withdrawn. Well, that thing has programme of better maintenance of equip- fallen through. There was a deadline. Had ment, which we have already have which is that judgement of the Supreme Court not not bad equipment. and some upgrading come earlier that the deadline, then all that work can be done. For example, the tank submissions we had made to the Swiss engines can be upgraded. It was done by Bank including Letter Rogatory and all that. many countries. Retro-fitting of tanks and the whole thing would have fallen through. the guns of these tanks can be upgraded. Luckily, Iam happy the Supreme Court de- But, it will require allocationof more funds for livered its judgement just in time and has our base workshops. The base workshop declared that the FIR is thoroughly valid and of the army do not an excellent job. Ido not this Gentleman who filed the case has no that it is properly recognised everywhere by kcus standi. Therefore. there is no bar now. everybody. The base workshops do a first The Swiss Bank was ready to give us certain classpb. But, they require much more funds information, certain documents and material now and a little bit of modernisation. And the regarding thoso people who have got their ordnance factories, those of them, which acwunts inthose Banks and who arealleged help in this work of developing self-reliance -alleged Isay - to have been the recipientsof should also be helped with more funds and this kickback money. Now I want to know any other things that they need. from the Government whether they are se- riouely going to pursue this investigation or We are in favour of the policy of the not There is no bar now. As he said, in the Government which of course, had been meantime, this Company, the parent com- brought about under great compulsion of, of pany of Bofors has gone bankrupt. (Inter- compressing our imports as far as possible. N~tbns)What has happened to you? Iwill Because, we are not in a positionto enjoy the talk to You afterwards. The parent company luxury of unrestricted imports. The imports of Bofors has gone bankrupt, has been de- are being compressed but they should not cked bankrupt in Sweden and has been be compressed to a point where our public taken over by the Government. sector undertakings in the defence sector are not able to get their essential components Ihope that this is not going to present and parts, with which they have to carry on them any technical difficulty in the way of our their production. infact, the FinanceMinister recovering ultimately that kick-back money had told us one day that if we do not compress "kh was Included in the price of the guns the imports, there are big public sector un- "d which we are entitled to rocover. We are dertakings-defenceundertakings-which may "01golng to pay that kick-back money which have to bedosed down, becausethey cannot HI be pocketed by somebody else. So, the get their essential imported components. hemment of India has to fight this matter So, that must be looked into. Secondly, I pmrocutr tbinveaigatbn and see want to ask a questbn, which Iask evwy 407 Demands for Grants (Geri.1, SEPTEMBER 5.1991 Chemicals & Fertilbe~s,Civil 409 199 1-92 M.of ~efek in. of [Sh. lnderjit Gupta] specific tasks, some jobs to do within, as far as possible, some kind of a time-frame. year, but never get a reply. What is the fate on the main battle tank ?Year after year, we You are going in for privatisation for have been told that 'Arjun' is still undergoing some time now of defence supplies, asso- trials. There were trials after trials, but no ciating the civil sector with our defence sector engine could be developed. The trouble is for the supply of many articles and items. I that an adequate tank engine has not been have only this to say that the privatisation of developed in this country, up till now. We this type should be restricted to non-lethal have tried to do it in public sector, private itemsonly. There will be atemptation. Iknow sector and everywhere. But, we could not there will be a trend towards allowing this get an engine which has the requisite horse- private sector to produce what are called power to propel a new modern battle tank critical components. It is mentioned in your like this-MBT, which we had conceived of. I book approvingly mentioned that critical do not know, how much money had been componentsof sophisticated equipment are spent on it. Ithink that you should be frank also increasingly being given to the private andtell the country that the concept of this sector to manufacture. I think the Minister Arjun Tank is not going to come off. It is knows very well that in the recent Industrial better to drop it. There is no use keeping it Policy Resolution of this Government, the going on from year to year like this without items which are specified, will continue to be any prospect of its fructifying into a kind of in the public sector. Defence is one of them tank that we need. You have got our old defence equipment and defence items. Well, trustee-Vijayanta; you have got 355; you For the last few years, you have given some have got 372 and you have got these BMP 1 hundreds of crores worth of orders to the and 2 Of course all are imported. But, we private sector. But please be vigilant that it can imprwe their capabilities by working on does not come into the lethal items. What is them. Many countries, even Israel, which the meaning of critical components of so- Shri Jaswant Singh was talking about, had phisticated equipment, including combat done a great deal of upgrading and retro vehicles. It is mentioned here. So, defence fitting of all their old tank and are using them supplies generally should continue to be quite effectively. reserved for the publicsector because that is what your new Industrial Policy Resolution Similarly, there is the question of light also days. combat aircraft. Iwill be very happy to know, at what stage projectis. This is also some- Then, there is a reference here-which I thing, which we hear year after year. Is it still welcome that the cost effectiveness of de- vWor is it being abandoned or what ?This fence expenditureshould be given top priority. light combat aircraft, according to your book, Obviously when we are in this financialmess- its report, the prototype, as a test, may be cost effective expenditure is always neces- flown, four years from now. sary now it is much more necessary. But you go through the Defence audit reports and the Four years hence in 1994 or 1995, he reports of the CAG. Many have been pub- was saying, tm, test flights of the prototypes lshed recently. They ardpublished periodi- may be held. How much are we spending on cally. They are never discussed in Parliament this, Ido not know. But we are not making or anywhere else. They paint a very gloomy progress at all So, more funds must be picture. Thousands of crores d rupees are spent on our indigenous defence research being wasted due to cost over-runs and due anddwelopment.They mud be given some to defective equipment being brought and bunel to be useless and all sorts of things. to some recentcontrwersialdedrionswhich They are all listed in the CAG's report. But have taken place in the question d promo- Mymust be accountable for that. We tions at the highest level. But Ibelieve that I k do not hear of any people who are, after these norms an conventions were properly inquiry found to be responsible for all these adhered to, these suspicions would not have gross wastages, being brought to book and arisen. And it is very bad for the health of the being hauled up. Then, this will go on year Defence Services. Therefore, it h the obli- afler year like this. gation of the Defence Minister to see that only the senior most and the best d the One or two points only more and IwiU officers are appointed as the Chiefs of Staff finish. This accountability, of course, has and nobody else manages to get in by some been referred to here. But the accountability other means. a major casualty not only in the defence sector, accountability has generally been a Finally, Iagree with the Defence Minb casualty in this country. But in Defence, we ter himself who has not spoken anything cannot permit it to go on like thb. Therefore, here just now but had been speaking outdd. Iwould beseech of you that when you talk of in various places. Ireedoneof hbstatemendr cost-effectiveness, go into aU these audil with which Iagree 100 percent, if he ha8 nol reports and CAG's reports and see what has quoted wrongly, that is, there atmu# not k been happening. Sometimes it is a criminal imeasing use of the Any, as there is, for wastage taking place. It is just blandly written purposes which are really supposed to be there that so many thousand aores of some purposes of the civilian police or other particular item were ordered. Thq came. paramilitary forces. He had referred to the They came late, first of all. After they came, fact that some State Governments have gd they were found to be defective. They could into the habit of just telephoning and saying not be used and they are lying there for that there is an uncontroUable law and order months and years together. Somebody must situation or some riot situation and to pbu be accountable for all this. The immediate send the Armed Forces immed'ily. hdin thing is accountabili. Otherwise no country such a situation, Sir, you have to send tho can function. So, please look into all this. Armed Forces immediately. And in such r situation, Sir, you have to send the Amy Another point I want to make is about sometimes. You cannot avoid sending R promotions at the highest level. I am not when some Chief Minister is saying wery- talking about any other level. I am talking thing is burning and all that. But the point b, about the highest level. Sir, the use of the Army more and more for controlling this kind of a law and order dhr- You cannot go higher than the Chiefs of ation and for breaking sttikes sometime, I Staff level, that is, Chief of Army Staff Chid must refer to it because Iam a trede unbn- of Air SQji and Chief of Naval Staff. Pm- ist--or for even cardoning certain ueaa in motbm tothew poet8 In our aountry have to towns and cities and carrying out howto follow urd had always fdbwed some strict house search within the cnrdoned mr b wen eatablimhed conventiow and norm8 not, strictly spddng, the job of tho Army. which am generally acmpted inthe Senricss Army's job is to guard our borders qaht urd by wer-.I only want to say that throat of external aggressionPnd they shM thorn should not be any ruspidon at any time not be used more and moro for pupoaa that thii poky of promcllbnb beii distoded which are poliipurposes and & b not dwto merubjective md pononal eon- good for the Army dm. The Army b na ridrntbnrIdd&ratdy¬wanttodu trainodforthb job. It btnhrdfar.)urrLlrk 41 1 &mads far Grants (Gen.), SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Chemicals & Fert&ers. W 412 1991-92 MI. of DelmAh. of [Sh. lnderjit Gupta] people who are carrying out guerrilla type of operations like laying mines and carryingout &fferent type of job. If they are used of ambushes. Our Army is not trained for this policing purposes and if they are moving kind of operations at all. Therefore, lthink Sir about him convys and if somebody throws that it is best to the extent possible to avoid something from the side of the road on that using the Army in a hurry for some adhoc convoy, then we know how the Army will type of operations or mainly for purposes react. They will stop the convoy and get which are not Army purposes, which should down and bum the whole village. lt is hap be dealt with other people. It is your job that pening in Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab you have to improve the efficiency of your and other places. That is the training of the Armed Police and para-military forces and Army. Ido not blame them. That is the way all that. They should be able to deal with such they have been trained. Either you kill and situation. The Army should not be called you will be killed. But in many of these places upon to get involved and mixed up in these where you are dealing with, a large civilian things because in the long run. it will do no population may be misguided for the time good either to our country or to the morale of being, may be they have been agitated be- the army or to the civilian people who have to caused something. But, basically, the civilian face these encounters. I hope I have not population cannot be dealt with by the Army misread the statement of the Defence Min- in this way and it will lead to all sorts of ister which he made outside recently and I complications which we are having to face also hope that he will also confirm what I now. Talk about human rights suppression. have said. stories of torture, etc. This is avery unpleasant yw thing which we do not like to hear. And SHRl D. VENKATESHWARA RAO therefore, if you go on using the Army. it is (~ap2ftaJTiiJr:CXaTKaXsir, fhankkyouvery bad for the Army's morale alsb. lt is bad for much for giving me an opportunity to speak. the morale of the Jawans. It lowers the Many of my senior colleagues both their vast prestige of the Army. Some cases of indis- experience, have dealt with various aspects ciplined behaviour towards the civilian of our Defence. varying from service condi- population becomes inevitable because of tions, research and development. external the kind af amflid and dash which is taking relations, nuclear weapon strategy and also place. And whenever they do take place, ourrelations with the USSR, China, Pakistan. they should be immediately inquired into and also on the complaints being received. This I do not have a personal knowledge is very essential. about Defence, but what Iwould like to bring to the notice of the Government is based on We do not want this to be some news items and also some informations internationalised. We do not want the Inter- that Icould get from some publications. hnalAmnesty and some other Human FligMsCommissions to came here and shout Iam given to understand that between about the excesses being committed by our 1985 and 1989. our purchases for Defence Armed Forces. Same thing happened when were to the tune of about 17 billion dollars or the IPKF was in Sri LankYou put them into so. Most of these purchases were for Soviet an emrironment wMch they are not accus- Migs, German submarines and the Swedish bmed to at all. They have to fight in the midst Boforsguns, etc, So, aktof foreign exchange da hostile population and fight inthe middle was spent to purchase all these weapons. djungles and interrains with which they are We are very much aware of the recent fi nd aoquainted at all. They have to face nanaal crisis due to shortfall in fore8n ex- change. The Government must necessarily updating the T-72 tank was a non-started. curtail this expenditure to overcome the cri- Pes. For this, it has to adopt some measures. Project Panther, meant to update T-541 Wih regard to Defence requirements, the 55 has achieved very little. process of indigenisation should be devel- oped and unnecessary wastage should be Fourteen yearsof work has not produced avoided. By adopting this type of methods, a single type of prototype of -Arjun Tank. As we can reduce the expenditure on Defence. per the Army perspective Plan by 2000, about 10 regiments were to be equipped with While discussing modernisation and Arjun Tanks. indigenisation of our weaponry, we have come across certain faults. For example, the So, when all these projects have not Director General of Ordnance Factories been implemented the war wastage rate wanted to set up the required infrastructure should have been reduced. for indigenous manufacture of Bofors type of gun. In 1989, the cost was estimated at Rs. The Comptroller and Auditor General 1,100 crore, of which Rs. 850 crore was pointed out that in 1982 some guns were allocated for the new gun production line, purchased and Rs. 33.62 crores worth of Rs. 250 crore for the factory to manufacture ammunition were also ordered. But in 1985 eight types of ammunition and two charge the guns order was cancelled but the order bags for the Bofors gun. for ammunition was kept valid. So, when the guns were not purchased, the ammunition The Cost Effective Study conducted by that we were getting became useless. In this the Master General of Ordnance (M.G.O.) way there was Rs. 33.62 crores of loss to the shows thatthe Bharat Earth Movers Limited, exchequer. one of the eight public sector undertakings, is willing to set up a gun production line at the 15.49 hrs cost of Rs. 120 crores. Similarly,-a Pune based Private firm can produce cartridges at ER.SPEAKER in the chaia the cost of Rs. 20 crores, which would be filled with the explosives by the Ordnance Another area mentioned by the Audit in factory later on. So, a clear cut thousand this regard is chetak Helicopter. A sanction crores of saving is there. These types of of Rs. 6.92croresto modify Chetak Helicopter savings should be kept in mind when we are for an Anti-tank role proved suboptimal. As dealing with the arms purchase. the amount was too meagre they could not fulfil the required projections. The war wastage rate should be re- duced. We have still several purchases to In the Navy, they refused to visit the make, which areall pending forone or another place of submarines when they were not reason. For example, the Bison project. It upto the mark. Moreover sufficient funds was sanctioned in 1961 and was meant to were not given with the result that they update the Vijayanta Tanks. This was became helpless. so, in this manner, various bandonod in 1987. A suitable engine to projects which were started did not give the replace the existing Leyland L-60 was not desired results; this was due to lackof proper found and this affected 1.700 Vijayanta planning. We have got some other examples Tanks. where light combat aircraft project and other projects- it was mentioned by my senior Project Rhine, sanctioned in 1987 for colleagues also- were initiated in 1960. A! 415 ~~~tGeul).SEPTEMBERS. 1991 Che&&&Fa CJvl 416 give their sanction to these demands for grants. But before doing that, every hon. these projects are still pending without any Member should know how the expenditure kind of progress. has been incurred in the previous year; whether it has been incurred properly or not The other area where we can curtail Our aim is to give some suggestions and to oxpendiiure is the transport system. We see how the utilisation of the money granted have got one, two and three linesof transport had been made in the previous year and how syrftem. One or lwo lines of transport system it win be made during the next year. b supposed to be very essential during war time as well as when there is no war. But the Sir, Isupport the hononrable Shri V.P. ather system remains idle when there is no Singh and Shri lnderjit Gupta who have war. During that period, vehicles can be submitted proposals for providing amenities, hied from the civilian side whenever they comfortstoour Jawansandthe Armed Forces are needed. who have been fighting for the country, giv- ing their life for the defence of the country. Siachen, as we all know, is 21,000 feet Country's securiiy is the securii of the in- above the sea level. In this area, the opkra- dividual. That is why I first want to pay my tkns are very diffiiult to perform. There is an tribute to the Jawans. urgent need to resolve this conflict so that a bt of expendhure can be saved. We are In Orissa there is a tribute which, when spending Rs. 32-40 lakhs per day over there translated into English reads thus: i in saving human lives. If this conflict is re- solved earlier, then crores and crores of loving country who forgets relations rupees can be saved. Like that, everywhere and affection we have to see how we can save money. At the call of the soil who comes forward Leaving all his dormant and drowsy My senior colleagues and other hon. state Members have ewtheir views re- To remove the sorrows of the country- garding one rank one pension. Ialso agree mother with *em. We should not compare these Who aomm forward to open her breast people who are retiring at the age of 30 to 40 before the fire withthe peoplesewingin other departments. I pasthem my tribute.' These people have to face very difficult situations during their tenure. So, Irequest Sir, First of all Imay be permittedto stm the hon. Finance Minister to come out with a from my State, Orissa Orissa contributes a policy statement whereby he can give com- ktto Defence through many major Defence prehensive benefl forthem so that they will establishments that are there in Orissa bevery grateful to him as also to the previous Government. There is a military air base at Charbala in Cuttack district.There is a MIG factory at With these words, I thank you for giving Sunattola in Koraput district, there is Navgl me an apportunily to speak on this subject. Training Centre at Chilka in Puri distrid; there is the proof and Experiment Centre at '-' JR. KARTIKESWAR ---PATRA Chandiiur in Balasore district, there is an @ahore): Iam supporting the ~eman6 Ordnance Factory at Sonitale in Bolanglr kr &ants under the cmtro! of the Ministry of dbtrid,there b aTraining Centre at Gopalpw Doience. Irequest all the hon. Members to h the Oanjlvn district and there b a Radar Station at Nilgiri in Balasore district. various parts of the country and they con- cluded that Baliis the suitable place for The people of Orissa are always ready the establishment of national test range. At lo make all sacrifiis for the Defence estab- that time, I had told them not to interfere in 'khments. I want to mention here why the the matter. At that time, Icategorically said National Test RAnge at Baliapar could not that this place is not suitable and it should not possibly be established so far. I want to be implemented if the support of the people categorically put forth before this august is not there. Also ltold that peopleof Baliapal Housethatthis proposalforthe establishment will oppose tooth and nail, and Ihad requested of a national test range at Baliapar was them to chose another suitable best site. But initiated in 1977 and the then Government my appeal was turned down them. put lot of emphasis on establishing that Na- tional Test Range at Baliapar. But for the last Sir, many attempts were made by many 14yearsit could not possibly be established. Prime Ministers in the past. But no official why could enter into that pocket because Baliapal is the greenery of Balasore. There is a vast MR. SPEAKER: You have to be very terrain of cultivable land. As per the proposal brief. There are other Members who want to of the Government, 70,000 people will be speak displaced and 99 villages will be evacuated in Baliapal...( lntenuptbns) DR. KARTlKESWAR PATRA: Before I talk abouf the Bofors case and about the MR. SPEAKER: Please come to the comments of the comptroller and Auditor point. *General of India Iwant to make the position about the establishment of the National Test SHRl KARTIKESWAR PATRA: This is Range at Balaipar clear. That is why Iwould avery vital point. This should be considered. like to request you to give me some time. MR. SPEAKER: All these information MR. SPEAKER: You are quite capable are available. You need not give them. Please of saying many things in few minutes. come to the point. There are many Members. who want to speak DR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA: In 1980 there was adiscussion in New Delhi regarding SHRl KARTIKESWAR PATRA: Sir. theestablishmentof this NationalTest Range some Members have taken more time, more at Baliapar. than 40 minutes. Ihad categorically prayed in your Chamber to give me more time to At that time, the Defence Minister was express my grievances. present. All party vmbers from Orissa in- cluding the ChiefMinister and other Ministers MR. SPEAKER: You will have time to Participated in that discussion. At that time, sper&. But you need not give the statistics. Shri Arunachalam was the Advisor. And the present Secretary of Defence Department SHRl SRIKANTA JENA(Cuttack) : Sir. yas present. He explained everything. L the entire people of Orissa are opposing the 9astokl that an expert committee consisting national test range to be set up at Baliapal. of three personsone person from the De- fence Ministry, one person from R&D and . MR. SPEAKER: I am not disalbwing another person. Director -General (Quality him. But Iam saying that he need not give Assurance)- investigated and enquired these details. DR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA: My argu- Sabha ke bhitar pandit chhipe na; ment is this. We have not opposed the es- Suraj chhipe na bad4 chhai." tablishment of other establishment of de- fence in Orissa. And why the people of Truth can be revealed in aday. Idemand Orioppose to this establishment tooth before this House there should be a com- and nail ? mittee to inquire into the case and its report should be placed before the House for the Sir, as per the estimate of the Govem- hon. Members to know and for the country to ment, 70,000 people will be evacuated. But know because it is a matter in which there b my estimate. it will be 1.5 lakhs of people. are political overtones and some persons There are certain people who have landed took the opportunity to acquire power. Iam property there but they do not have a resi- not naming the persons. But they very well dential house there. There are also affected know their position. in this and they will also be displaced. That is onething. Anotherthing is that 41 villages of Iwant to submit before you that the hon. Bhograi also will be evacuated. And the vast Comptroller and Auditor General of India terrain of land will also be acquired by the has given some comments for the year 31st Government. March, 1990. No. 8 of 1991, Those com- ments have not been properly replied or If the picture of Baliapal would not have properly redressed. There was loss of crores been in the map. what would be the fate of of rupees in Defence Department due to this establishment of national test range? It negligence of officers and some other per- would have been established elsewhere in a sons and because of that we are facing second suitable place. So, Ifervently request trouble now. It was also pointed out for the . here, before the House, before the CA&Gthat 67percent of what was budgeted hononrable ~efenceMinister and the Prime for a specific matter, had been totally mis- Minister, to shifl the site of this national test used. range from Baliapalto a second suitable site. Will this Government kill my people ? MR. SPEAKER: You have to conclude Will this Government come forward to es- now. You cannot go on like this. The time is tablish the National Test Range by killing my very limited. You should know how to say a people ? The reply must be that it would not point. be the case. That is why. Irequest the hon. Minister to consider the matter. discuss the DR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA: I want matter and then take suitable steps in this five minutes more. regard. About training simulators it has been Regarding their case for Bofors, in this said in the audit report: House, there was a debate and some big persons, who had taken the opportunity of this Boforscase, had been placed at such a -An audit review of the installation and place in the country that everybody went on utilisation of some of the training simulators sang this idea of Bofor. But this time what in the Air Force revealed, inter aha, that two. happened? simulators costing Rs. 11.49 crores had re- mained non-functional from July 1985 and Sindhu bhitar pap chhipe na; March, 1987 respectively due to unstable Nichh chhipe na badpan gai. power supply." There is another very vital point and I Commission 8 Report was implemented an quote that: Army Havaldar who retired prior to 1973 used to get a pension of Rs. 375 permonth avernment had approved in Seg but today a person of same rank is getting his ' tember, 1983, the acquisition of three types pension at the rate of Rs. 761 per month. A of vessels abng with ammunition and other Subedar Major who retired prior to 1973 special equipment at an estimated cost of used to get Rs. 551 pension per month Rs. 967 crores. An audit review of the ac- where as the person of same rank who quisition, operation and maintenanceof these retired after 1073 gets Rs. 1588 per month. vessels indicated, inter alia that a large Similarly a Lieutenant who retired prior to number of design inadequacies in one type 1973 is getting Rs. 850 pension per month of vessels acquired at a cost of Rs. 618.30 whereasthe person of same rank who retired crores, placed critical constraints on its op- after 1973 is getting Rs. 2550 as pension per erational depbyability,' m0nth.A Brigadier and U. General who re- tired before 1973 are getting Rs. 1648 and It was told that it would be ready not Rs. 2534 pension per month respectively before 1993. This is the situation. whereas persons of similar rank who retired after 1973 are getting Rs. 3150 and Rs. 3800 Similarly. there areso many cases which as pension per month respectively. This is a have been pointedout by the Audit about the big anomaly. The sewice conditions and negligence of the Defence officials. nature of dutiesof persons working in Armed Forces and Civilian Departments are alto- But. Iwill not go into all that. Only some getherdifferent. When an Army Jawan retires points here Iwant to raise. he is around 35 to 40 years of age. At that age his children are not settled and he has to MR. SPEAKER: No new points. Now, face many hardships. these two points are more than enough. On the other hand our counterparts in DR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA: Sir, with the Civilian Departments retire at the age of these words, Icondude. 58 years. They get all promotions during their career while being posted at one place and doing desk job. They are also able to construct a house of their by the time they --.--.2---SHRI D D KHANORsKangra): -.-- Mr. retire and their children are settled and thus Speaker, Sir, it isunfortunate that there is no they do not have any problem as such. On mention of making a provision for 20 lakh ex- the other hand the Jawans and Officers of servicemen in the Defence Budget. All of us the Armed Forces who work day and night are aware that everybody has to retire one get a meagre pension. When they go back day after service andone has to find for one's home after retirement they have to face lot of family. There is wide disparity in the rates of hardships. The Jawans who retired prior to pension of the armed for- personnel who 1973 fought many wars for the country. retired many years backandthose who have They fought wars in 1947-48, 1962,1965 retired recently. Iam myself an Ex-service- and 1971. These men have been awarded r men who served Army for thirty-two years. I gallantry medals but their pension is far less feelthat there is widedisparity in the pension than those who retired much after 1973. of soldiers and officers who retired prior to These men got Victoria Cross during the 1973 and those who retired after it. There is British time and then Vir Chakra, Mahavir a strange alpomoly. When the third Pay Chakra and Paramvir Chakra But in the Minister. Sir, you must have obsewed that all these Members who spoke on this subject mrttsr of pension, they lag for behind. They referred to the wide disparity in the rates of h.ve made ktd sacrifii throughout their pension of all ranks in the Armed Forces. All Me to get these medals. they have not pur- the leaders admitted that those who fight for chged it from any market. They get these the security of the country and are ever dabbecause they are always ready to prepared to sacrifice their life are in a mis- micetheir lives for the country. But when erable plight. They retire at the age of 35-36 they retire, they get a meagre pension. They years. Mr. Pawar, you would be surprised to do not have enough food in their homes know that after retirement they have to run because their land has already been bst as from pillar to pod for five to six years to seek hmost cases the land has gone to the actual re-empbyment through the Directorate of tiler. I, therefore, urge upon theGovernment Rehabilitation such has been setup in each Md the hon. Defence Minister to seriously state by the Defence Ministry. However no think about 20 lakh personnel of the Armed scheme is implemented by them. Arrange- Forces who are agitated over this matter. ments must be made to ensure that not only Thg have been returned to many State reasonable pension but also free education Assemblii. Besides, in 1984 there were a is providedto the children of those who were few retiredArmy officers who were electedto always ready to sacrifice their lives for the thb House. Today, the number of Ex-ser- nation while serving in the Armed Forces. vicemen in this House is also about eight. The children of the army officers while they are in service are given an opportunity of We want full support from the House education in the best school but after the ud want that these disparities in wages retirement of army personnel, the Govern- - rhould be removed. Shri. V.P.Sigh had ment does not take care of the education of rrndbnod an interim rekf for this purpose. their children. The Government does not An adhoc rellef ranging from Rs. 71- to Rs. give any priority to the educationalfacility for 459 had been released. This should have the children of Ex-servicemen, been given equally rigM from the rank of Sepoytothe ledofSubedar Major but it has Since there is no audit of the Defence nd been done so far. Therefore. Mr. Speaker, expenditure, it implies that proper utilisation Sir, I would like to submit emphatically. of such funds should be ensured. At the time through you that the disparity persisting in of Chinese aggression we were not strong (he ratesof pensionof retiredArmy personnel enough from defence point of view. Pt. dmuki be removed so that they could rea- Jawahar Lal Nehru had given his approval provide for their families and the on the proposal of border road from agitation among them is also eased. Darbhanga to Fohisganjbut to this date, no provision has been made for this purpose in This is all what I want to submit in the Defence Budget. even though this road of the retired army personnel. is of strategic importance and during the days of Chinese invasion lndiin army had to puU out for want of such a road in those areas. However, Iwould like to give a warning Rime Minister Lel Bahadur Shastri had given that if China or Bangladesh dares attadc us, 8 man 'Jai Jawan Jai Kisan ,Sir, it is clear we would have to face the same conse- Irom the Deferm Budget that in our country quences that we faced many years ago. The the ddiirs have remained as neglected as defence transport system win collapse as k farmera. SM Pawar is an experid did druing the timeof Pt. Jawahar Lel Nehru. 1991-92kh. of~ef&h& of Therefore, Iwould like to say that in view of politics, and it is yet to be seen whether he is the strategic importance of road, rail or any well- versed defence matters also. other mode of transport in these areas, spe- dd attention must be paid to this project Sir, Pakistan is indulging in false pro- urpently. paganda against lndia in their own country and abroad. It is also providing financial Mr. Speaker, Sir, just now a mention support to terrorists in Kashmir. It is getting was made that Pakistan is ready to wage a modem weapons from America. China and war against lndia We may defer it by a few Iran. It is being said that there has been an days or months but it is an admitted fact that improvement in Sino-Indian relations but they are giving training to terrorists in the this is not true. Pakistan is waging a proxy border areas. We must come forward to war in the guise of terrorists in Chhamb and dostmy these training camps. Poonch areas. For the last so many days Pakistan has been resorting to shelling in Sir, you must have come across the Poonch area of Jammu and Kashmir which news report wherein General Afzal Beg said left22dead. Recently there has been shelling that lndia has become very powerful and it in Chhamb area also. might attack Pakistan any day. This is an indication and a warning by Pakistan any I would like ?Q inform the House that day. This is an indication and a warning by even though the present Prime Minister of Pekiitan that they are ready for a war and Pakistan Nawaz Sharief and the former Prime we should also be ready for it. Minster Benazir Bhutto have divergent views, but in their recent interviews to a foreign You cannot negate the fact Pakistan news media, they said that within one year has a nuclear bomb. In such a situation lndia there could be a war between Pakistan and camr afford to complacent. This is high lndia over the Kashmir issue. This means time when ourcountry should also spend the that Pakistan is ready for war. We have tried required money on our defence prepared- to find a solution to this problem at the ness and devebp a similar bomb. The any Foreign Secretarys level, but in vain. The should be given latest weapons and the late Lal Bahadur Shastri while speaking at army officers should be provided with the Ram Lila Maidan had said that we would maximum facilities. not respondto Pakistan's abuse with counter- abuse but with bullets. This is what we expect With these words, I end my speech. from the present Government. Thank you. \ ~5 Sir, Pakistan is spreading false propa- SHRl MOHAN RAWLE : (Bombay ganda about lndia in foreign countries. Pa- SouthCentrru) : Mr. Speaker, &, at the kianis not interested in improving its rela- outset Ipay my tributes to our former Presi- tions with India. It buys tea from Argentina. dent Dr. Radhakrishnan. The Defence port- China and Kenya at dearer rates but it is not folio was held by the late Prime Minister Shri prepared to buy the same thing from us at Rajiv Gandhi, the former Prime Ministers bwer rates. Sir. we purchased 1200Vijayanta Shri V.P.Singh and Chandra Shekhar Ji and Tanks from Britain. but the production of this , now il is with Shri Sharad Pawar who is from tank was stopped 20 years ago by that Maharastra. I know the hon. Minister per- country. We brought 60 warships 15 years aody.When we went to Bombay we had ago but these have now become ouMateB. anopportunity toobserve hicourage during The produdion of MG-21 aimaft bought r naval execciso. If he is well-versed in from the U.S.S.R. has since been slopped 427 Demands for Grants (Gen.), SEPTEMBfR 5.1991 Che- & Fertdizers Chd 428 1991-92 Mn. of Defem Min. of Aviation & Tourism etc. (Sh. Mohan Rawle] Ratnagiri which are coastal areas. Our De- fence Minister belongs to Maharashtra. He by that country. Warplanes with latest tech- knows that Navy was introduced in lndia by nology should be purchased. Today, along ChhatrapatiShivaji. Laterthe Briiisherscame with Pakistan, China is also our enemy. At and rules over us. So our armoury should present, the strength of the Chinese army is never remain empty. Every year 50,000 30.30,OOOthatof the lndian army is 12.62.000 soldiers retire from the lndian army. Iwould and that of the Pakistani army is 5,15,000. like the respective States to take the re- Today, China has surface-to-surface missiles sponsibility of their resettlement. with a range of 13,000 miles and air to surface missiles with range of 3,000 miles. Lastly, Iwould like to know what is being done by the Government regarding the De- Sir, the Defence budget provides Rs. fence Expenditure Committeewhich was set 892 crores for the Navy, Rs. 8079 crores for up under the 'chairmanship of Shri Arun the Army and Rs. 2054croresforthe Airforce, Singh. The Government should review that but it should be increased. We saw modern matter. There is a lot of propaganda about techniques being used in the Gulf War. We facilities for ex-servicemen but there is a must pay greater attention to our Navy and feeling of acutediscontentment among them. Airforce. Sir, there should be no shortage of TheGovernment should accept their demand fuel for our aircrafts. H fuel is in short supply, of one rank-one pension. We feel proud to our training standards could fall and this see the contingent of ex-servicemen during would lead to problems during war. The the Republic Day parade but when they average consumption comes to 150 litre per agitate and stage Dharnas, we feel ashamed. day per aircraft and we must ensure its So IrequesttheGovernmenttopay attention supply for this purpose. Iknow time is short. towards their plight. With these wolds on behalf ofthe Shiv Sena. lopposetheDefence The I.P.K.F. operation in Sri Lanka re- Budget (Interruptions)... Sir, while opposing sulted in heavy expenditure. But the greatest the budget I express the hope that the hon. fault on the part of the Government was that Defence Minister will consider my sugges- that dependents of the jawans killed there tions and take appropriate action. Ithank you were not rehabilitated. It should be expedited. for iving me the opportunity to speak. The army should not be usedfor maintaining 4- law and order in the country. Army personnel 1SHRI TEJSINGHRAO BHONSLE deployed on the Mazagaon docks have not (~arn%%J?-~$%er, Sir, Irise to-- support been given revised scales for the past 15 the Demands for Grants of the Ministry of years. Their grievance is that they are not Defence. Atthe timeof India's independence, getting house rent allowance and chi1dre.n Kashmir chose to merge with the lndian education allowance. 45 per cent of the Union which led to a war between lndia and personnel are working there on contract Pakistan, after which one part of Jammus basis. If they go on strike, the country could Kashmir acceded to the lndian Union and become very vulnerable during wartime. War the other part wasx forcibly occupied by can start any time. (Intenuptbns)... The in- Pakistan as Azad Kashmir. Since then, cidents of shelling are not being made public Kashmir is a burning issue. by the Government. Presently, there are only 18 Sainik Schools and their number In 1962, there was a war between lndia should also be increased. There is no naval and China In 1965, lndiaandPakistan fought pre-training school in Maharashtra. Such a war and again in 1971, there was an war schools should be opened in Raigarh and regutting in the emergence of an independent Bangladesh. Later on, IPKF was sent to Sri killing innocent persons and Police Person- Lankaandwhenitwaswithdrawn from there, nel. Keeping in view the present position of the influence of LTTE increased in the north- the country and the recent Middle East War, ern part of island nationthereby jeopardising there is an urgent need to argument the the security of India. defence production and the penetrating power of Indian armed forces. Because of According to a statement of MS Benazir the fundamental economicchanges in USSR, Bhulto, the Ex-Premierof Pakistan, Pakistan it may not be possible to meet the defence possesses the know how for manufacturing requirements of India. So, lndia should be- atom-bomb. Has the Government of lndia come self-sufficient in the matter of defence taken note of the statement? During the production. tenure of late Smt. lndira Gandhi, an atomic explosion was successfully carried out at Foreign exchange can be earned from Pokharan, but tilldate, atomic power is being the sale of armaments produced domestically made use of only for medical purposes and in India. At present, the Department of De- for the well being of the mankind. Ever since fence Production is producing 50 percent of the war with Pakistan in 1971, incidents of defence requirements of our country. If we intermittent firing are taking place in the could produce cent percent of defence re- Poonch sector. In an interview with quirements, there would be no need for Newsweek, the Pakistan Prime Minister import of armaments. lndia could export light stated to have remarked that lndo Pak war weapons like pistols, machineguns, was imminent. while at the sometime, dis- stenguns, handgrenades, light guns, motor cussions were on with the visiting Minister of vehicles, trainer aeroplanes and weeded out Defence of Pakistan on the ways and means arms for sale and earn much needed foreign of checking infiltrationfrom across the Paki- exchange. staniborders. We fail to understandthe logic for all these exercises. What the Govern- Sir, unity among all concerned can be ment of lndia was doing to get the terrorist brought about through adoption of one rank training camps closed in Azad Kashmir ? Will one pension scheme. Probably, it will put a the Government of lndia would think of dis- heavy burden on Public exchequer. There- mantling terrorist training camps in Pakistan, fore. Irequest the Government to implement if Pakistan refuses to stop terrorist activities it in a phased manner. Priority must be given in India? to aged pensioners. Then, after that, other pensioners can be given bonds to ensure TheGovernmentof lndia must be aware less burden on Government. There is no of the ongoing terrorist and disruptive ac- proper arrangement for treatment of ex- tivities in lndiaof ULFAof Assam and Cachin servicemen and retiredofficers sufferingfrom Army d Myanmar working in tandem with seriius ailments. It is absolutely necessary each other. Likewise LlTE of Sri Lanka has to provide for treatment of diseases like been cmating an atmosphere of terror at cancer, Kidney transplantation and heart several places ih India. Their threat to hijack surgery. National Front Government mooted Poona-Delhi flight and to blow up Mettur the proposal for bne rank, one pension' Dam are the latest instances of their inten- scheme on 13 October, 1990. This would tion to create terrorism in the country. In benefit about one and a half lakh pensioners, Punjab even now at least 30 persons are but would cause discontentment among the killed everybody. public at large. Only 8 percent people would be benefitted by the scheme and the re- Sir, the terrorists are roaming freely maining 92 percent not get any benefit. [Sh. Tejsinghrao Bhonsle] scendent of Chatrapathi Shivaji, has sup ported the Defence Budget. Now the Shiv Pmbabty, as a result of it, there woukl be Sena should reconsider its decision and widespread discontentment among retired support the Defence Budget. officers, JCO's , honorary Commission holders and exsenricemen in alternative MR. SPEAKER: While voting the Bud- jobs and widows of defence personnel, who get, they will do that. generally remain out of the purview of the Scheme. (Intemptbns)... MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bhonsle, please [ Translation] send your suggestions to the hon. Minister of Defence. DR. S.P. YADAV (Sambhal) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Irise to oppose the demand for SHRl TWSINGHRAO BHONSLE: Mr. grants of Ministry of Defence. After a bng Speaker, Sir, Iam concluding. In the end, I struggle, country became independent in muld like to suggest that housing facilities 1947. may be provided for every defence person- neland more Kendriya Vidyalayas be opened MR. SPEAKER: Time isshort, soplease for education of their children. Special leave highlight the points and so not elaborate oouldbegranted todefencepersonnel posted them. Iam making the suggestion so that a at remote border areas. This provision was number of points are put before the House. hvogueduringthe Britishrule. Arrangements for railway reservation on preferential basis DR. S.P. YADAV : Iwithdraw. may be made and specialtrains from Jammu to Bombay, Madras, Calcutta and Guwahati MR. SPEAKER: You are allowed to be started again. In roadways buses also, speak for 5-7 minutes as there are others reservation facili could be extended to also. defence personnel. Mr. Speaker, Sir, inthe end, IwoukJ like logive one more suggestion. On the pattern I am not objecting to your making the of nomination of retired Colonel to speech. Iam saying that the time is limited. Maharashtra Legislative Council, retired Don? you speak? defence personnel could be nominated to Rajya Sabha as a representative of ex-ser- [Translation] vicemen to honourthesepersons as a matter of gesture. DR. S.P. YADAV : Everyone has spo- ken on the issue. So Iwithdraw. Mr. Speaker, Sir, with these words. I condude and hope thevernment would definitely consider my suggestions and implement them. Ifully support the budget. MR. SPEAKER: All right. > (Interruptions)... \"9 SHRl DIGVIJAYASINGH(Rajgarh): Si, SHRl V.N. SHARMA (Hamirpur) : Mr. S)wi Tejsinghrao Bhonsle. the direct ds ~~edke%~u.Iwould like to submit that aU members should get equal protection from tion of one and all but Iam expressing my you Since yesterday Ihave been observing apprehension about the people who are that you are permittingsome of the Members responsible for giving leadership i.e. theh bspeakfora bngerdurationoftime whereas civilian bosses who spoiled the whole ma- when our chance comes, you ring the bell chinery for their selfish political motives as just after two minutes. they are least concerned about the welfare of the country. That began with the jeep scandal, inferior jeeps were purchased for the use of soldiers and the man who bought such jeeps was Shri Krishna Menon who was the friend of Pandit ji. That is why matter Ivery humbly submit that the trend of was hushed up. Similarly, during the China the debate has been spoiled. war, Nehru ji said: [Translation] [English] Yes, Ihaveordered my army. The army Through you and through this august commander has been ordered to throw them House. Iexpress my heart felt gratitude to out.' our defence forces who are equipped with best fighting machinery and are considered bo be the finest soldiers in the world. But I shall certainly oppose this Budget. They are The result was that the Himalayan blunder considered as the finest soldiers because took place and the country suffered a humili- during the second world war they fought ation. Despite this humiliation, Nehru ji was against fascism to save democracy. Not only not prepared to company with him. - this, they fought three battles against the so called Islamic republic of Pakistan since [English] 1948 to safeguard secularism. In 1948. Pa- kistan attacked on a small part of India and Hesaved Krishna Menon. The President they were paid in the same coin. Had Nehru had to threaten him with dismissal. ji not committed a mistake. the name of Azad Kashmir would have been wiped out from the WM map. (Intemptbns) We have given such leadership to the army. (Intemptions)... I am quoting from history you cannot Treacherous act of China so much change history. That is what Iwill say. grieved Nehru Ji that it finally took his life. In 1971, when General Manekshaw was the Chief of the Army, he was asked to give his opinion about the preparedness of the Army In 1965, Pakistan made yet another to faae the possible war , he emphatically bigger attempt to wage a war against us and said; this time our soldiers reached Lahore. In 1971 another attempt was made, as'a result thered that country was divMed and Iam rum that they will suffer a ma@ set bad il Y bel'ive my army is not prepad yet.' they make any other attempt to wage war in He took probably three or four months time. Mum. The Soldiers have won the appreda- Everybody knows the result 435 Demands for Grants (Gen.), SEPTEMBER 5,1991 ChemM& FeMkets, CivJ 436 199 1-92 Ah. of Defence hin. of Aviat%n & Toun'sm etc [Sh. V.N. Sharma] one family. A new person hastaken over charge of the office of Prime Minister and a [ Tmnslation] brave Maratha is our Defence Minister. His dynamism reminds us of Angre, Shivaji and There had been another Chief of the Rani Laxmi bai. Tnat is why Iam talking all Army Staff under a different Prime Minister. these things. I would also like to bring yet He was asked tomarch to Sri Lanka. He another information to his notice so that he ordered his troops instantly without thinking may learn a lesson thereform. One Chief of the pros and cons of it. Consequently, it took the Air Staff demitted office in the morning heavy toll of lives of our soldiers and the and by the evening his Chair was occupied officers. by a new occupant who was given an ex- tension for a periodof three months because [English] another one is in the waiting. Such sort of manipulation is there and there and this has This is a gradual deterioration in the happened in the Navy. This fact has already army through the civic leadership. been reported by the Statesman fifteen days ago. Such sort of machination and manipu- [Translation] lation has taken place. The high ranking officers and not the petty officers have filed Mr. Speaker, Sir, the present situation cases against it. The result was that the two is very criiical. Now you see. officers did not get their due and they have been made Flag officers. [English] MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude quickly. MIXSPEAKER: Such things happen. Appointments, transfers and promotions are never discussed on the floor of the House. Let us add to the strength. Let us not reduce the strength. We never discuss about the [English] appointments. transfers and promotions on the floor of the House. SHRl V.N. SHARMA: I wish that the army is protected from such unscrupulous [ Translation] ~eo~le- SHRl V.N. SHARMA: It is submitted that unless we discuss the shortcomings how can they be rectified. (lntenupthns) MR. SPEAKER: You leave the historii cal aspects behind. You come to the point. [English] MR. SPEAKER: There are certain things which we do not discuss on the floor of the House. There are rules followed by us; there are conventions followed by us. (lntenrrp- tions) SHRl V.N. SHARMA: This is a sug- gestion. They should protect the army from [Translation] such people . I am giving this suggestion because we havewt rid of the monopoly ol Iwould like to submit that special atten- 437 Demands for Grants (Gen.),BHADRA 14.1 913 (SAKA)Chemimls & Fertiue~,Civil 438 199 1-92 hh. ofDefem Min. of Avktion & Tourism etc tion be paid to the D.R.D.O. so as to effect [Translation] improvement in it. Corruption is rampant there in for quite sometime. The cost of SHRl V.N. SHARMA: O.K. Sir. A very L.C.A. i.e. the light combat Aircraft Project relevent thing has been mentioned. has escalated. In support of my contention, Iwould like to quote from Half-an-Hour Dis- [English] cussion of 20th May 1985. Sir, this relates to the meeting when the present Prime Minis- It is being practised in the Army. ter was the Minister of Defence. [ Translation] [English] You might be knowing this. There is nothing knew in it, but they may be reminded. Shri Raja Mahendra was [English] member of this committee as MD, DMD, You cannot marry a foreigner. HAL and he had been closely associated with the ICA programme. ever since the conceptualisation of ICA. The officer in the IFS cadre too have to [Translation] seek permission for this but the same is not required for the civilian officers. This This concept was mooted during the gentleman was possessing Briiish citizenship period of Mahendra Ji. for himself and his wife was also a British passport holder. It has been wriien that the Regarding it the hon. Member of this foreign citizenship is a very very dangerous House Shri Kalmadi stated that our require- thing, Isuppose. Atleast our defence services ments would be fulfilled at the cost of Rs. 30 should be kept free from such things. thousand crores and by the time this will be Mr.Speaker Sir, the civilian authorities were acquired at the turn of the century the rules not allowed to interfere in the matter relating of warfare would be changed. to Armed forces. Such blunder like the LCA project on which an additional expenditureof [English] Rs. 2000 crores incurred would not have been committed. It has been mentioned in The things will become redundant. the CAG report that during 1982-83. the cost for 6 prototypes happened to Rs. 560 crores [Translation] but in 1990 the cost of only 2 prototypes was Rs. 1560 crores. That is why Iam saying that And you have dept such a person. whenever any civilian gets access to these works, such thing is liable to be happened. I [English] would like to give yet another instance of such lapse. Recently, one Shri Bhargava I am quoting from there. I have got a Saheb of the Maruti Industry was sent there letter which the Chairman of HAL has written for setting up of the one branch of Maruti to Shri A.K. Pandey. Joint Secretary (De- Udyog but he, through his negotiation, made fence) (Intermptions) someother industry settled there. Such thing has happened recently, so all of us might be , remembering this. MR. SPEAKER: No, we do not read a letter in the House. There are rules to be [English] followed. We do not read the letters.Well, if you have some information from the letters, I am very much worried about the civil you can make use of it. leadership. MR. SPEAKER: You have made a very [ Translation] comprehensive speech. Now please con- dude. MR. SPEAKER: Now please condude. SHRl V.N. SHARMA: There is one more danger. Now Ishall not talk about any person as some of us have taken objection to it. You should not have used it. But now aon- clude. MR. SPEAKER : Sharma Ji. please conclude after this point. SHRl V.N. SHARMA: Iam sorry. Sir. Mr. Speaker: That will not go on record. SHRl V.N. SHARMA: I am talking of [Translation] DRDO i.e. Defence Research Development Organisation. The wife of the gentleman SHRl V.N. SHAHMA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, whom Iquoted is a foreigner. (Interruptions) Iwould like to submit that the Alloy Factory at my problem is...... the cost of Rs.100 crore, I stated this be- cause...... [English] MR. SPEAKER: Now, please conclude. I do not believe it has given the desired results. So. this bottomless spirit of DRDO must be seen. This sacred cow of defence expenditure has also become a secretcow. SHRl V.N. SHARMA: No, Sir, there is a So, this does not mean that we do not keep problem. Now-a- days track of everything they do. There is another danger in DRDO...... ' Mr.Speaker, Sir, aliiniumsponge plant of Rs. 100 crores is going to be erected there MR. SPEAKER: This will not go on despite we have already one such of Rs.10 record. crores. (Interrwtions) Sir, they supply us (Intemptbns) also the same items which they supply to the others all over the world. Much have been SHRl MURLl DEORA (Bombay South): said here against the interests of our army. R must be expunged. The quali of the armaments used during the 1965 war has been questioned here. So any SHRl CHANDRAJEET YADAV (Atam misuse of kind must be checked and the Gah): Eiher the Member should withdraw amount so saved must be spent on the his remarks or it should be welfare of the army. expu~ed.(rnt~~iw,s) SHRl V-NSHARMA: I am sorry. (In- temphs). Iam withdrawing my remarks. It seems that Ihave become a little too controversial for the last about ten days. So," (htemptions) Idid nd know the rules. (In- Iam concluding. temptiom) Ihave withdrawn my remarks. What isthe problem now? (Inte-s) ldid h"$lRI I,NDER&. (Darjeeling): not name. (IntBCILQtions) Mr.Speaker. Su. Ihad no intention of partid- Avr'aton& ~wr&ek pating in thisdebate. Iam, therefore, grateful 17.00 hrs. to you for allowing me at short request to make a few points and seek a few clarifiia- These agents have approached the b tions. Government of lndia and various wings of our Defence forces. Iit is not so, then Ithink My first point relates to the Henderson that it is time that we should approach the Brookes' report. As we all know, our country powers that be in Moscow and get these faced a major debacle in 1962 and we suf- supplies directly from them if necessary on fered a humiliating defeat. Lt. -Gen. dollar payments rather than through these Henderson Brookes was asked to go into high commission agents this matter. Ifeel, it is time that this report is made public so that we could learn from the SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: You experience of that great and humiliating take directly from America. debacle. Most of the principal actors of the drama are no more with us. Therefore, there SHRl INDERJIT: No. I said we should should be no difficulty. Moreover it is almost take directly from Moscow. 30 years since that report was submitted. Mr. Somnath Chatterjee is still to fall in This is a point which Iwould like the Defence line with the developments in Moscow. Minister seriously to consider. The next point which I would like to make relates to a clarification which Iwant The second point which Iwould like to on the question of MBT, the Main Battle make relates to the Arun Singh Committee's Tank. My good friend and name sake Mr. report on Defence Expenditure and Planning. lndrajit Gupta had already spoken on the ,Mr. ArunSingh himseff made certain remarks. subject. Ithink it is a matter of great distress He gave an interview to the Press which he that even after 15 or 20 years, we have not said was on a personal basis. Ido think that yet been able to produce an engine which the Arun Singh report should also, be made would have the required horse power. Now, public, more particularly because it deals Shri Krishna Kumar, the Minister of State for with the questions of drastic changes in Defence said here yesterday that this tank management, production and privatisation was on various trials in Rajasthan. I would issues. Ibelieve. he has also made a proposal like to know whether this tank has an indig- in regard to the creation of Rashtriya Rifles. enous engine or it is an imported engine. I This needs to be considered seriously since think the country has to be told about it very servicemen have to leave their job at the clearly because he gave an impression early age of 30 or 35 years. They could yesterday as though the Main Battle Tank perhaps be absorbed in the Rashtriya Rifles. has finally been produced by our great R&D He has said and we are all agreed that it is Section which I do not think doing well most unfortunate that the Army should be enough. called out time and again for civil use which is neither good for the Army nor is it good for One or two small additional points, and for the country. Ishallconclude. The next point which Iwould like to deal with is the question of Pakistan. The third point which I would like to Everybody has repeatedly deeply spoken make relates to thequestion of supplies from about Pakistan. Ithink our security require- the Soviet Union. We have been facing certain ments require us to come to some under- during the last two years for get- standingonthe basisof theSimlaAgreement. ding very vital spares and supplies from the And Ido think that at the moment, both lndia Soviet Union. Ilearn on good authority that and Pakistan are insanely indulging in the Soviet Union has, during the last one bleeding each other white through their arms year or more, appointed some American acquisitionrace. Something ought to be done agents for offering these spares and sup to stop this. We have to move in that direc- plies. Virtually across the counter. tion. SHRl SHARAD DIGHE: No Govern- ment servant need be present to attend to My last point is about accountability. Lok Sabha proceedings. (Inte~kns) The quaion of accwntabllity has not re- cshred the attention of thii House w even of MR. SPEAKER: In all fairness, il should the prevkus Ldc Sabha of which Ihad the be said that the chiefs were not knowing as prMkge d being a Member. Accountability to when the Demands for the grants of the CM be brought about only if we go in for the Ministry d Defence will be taken up. Committee system. Ido belive that we should have a Standing Committee on Defence if wr have a Standing Committee on Defence, then we will be able to save the country from MR. SPEAKER: Nothing more in view many of the shameful and scandabus hap- of what Ihave said. penings in the Defence field. SHRl INDER JTT: Iwould condude by F'nalty, Mr. Speaker Sir, in the very saying that healthy conventions established Mtedtime available to me. Iwould like to in the past in this regardmust be adhered to make one other point with great diffidence. I and Parliament's dignity is not compromised am gled to see that the top brass d the Amy, (htemgtions) Navy and Air Force are here to listen to the debate. At the same time, I would like to SHRl RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Sir I make a point, thatthe Army Chief is, " am on a point of order. He is perhaps abroad now for good MR. SPEAKER: What is it? masam Brd Mr. Speaker Sir, it is most Important that he should have been present SHRl RAM NAIK: My point of order is hers pday.(lntem@bns) any reference to Defence Personnel and with particular reference may naturally go to SHRl SHARAD DIGHE(Bombay North the whole of India through the Press end It Cerrbal): Sir, he cannot rder to persons in would look so awkward and to pass on lho Odkry. (Intemgtions) remarks on just those who cannot defend themselves is not proper. So, lwould suggogt SHRl SOMANTH CHAllERIEE: Sir, lhat this reference should not be on record. Gdedtm cannd be referred to in the House. Only then, this reference will not reach the (hCemgUons) whole of India Otherwise, it is not good. And finally,'people will know that these remarlo MR. SPEAKER: Iwill remove it from the were made. (Intempfbns) ~.Thatwou#ndformpartoftherucord. SHRl INDER JIT: I only urga that we should uphold well established conventions and nothing else. The dignity of the House must not be armpromised.(/ntemgtbns) s)(RI INDERJTT: Sir, Iwithdraw my ref- ~lotheOalkry.ButImwrldsayandI MR. SPEAKER: Ido Mewhat pu bdow that ab the mome nt,..."... ldo think havesaid.AsIhavesaid,itwas~dsdded wo should eWbli8h the convention by when the Defence Ministry's Demands tor wNe)l .I the Chief* namely, the Army, Air Gradswasgoingto~~meupfordi WmdNavd ChM,ougMto be present h view of thet, il aome offiker is not preserrtt; for tho dabate. I think It k most unfair and Ria mtpmperkrany hon. Memberlomake m#p tha he b nd pmmt here now. a rderencs with respect his presence a ~sdignityisinvoked(lrnt~115) ebarenae. At the samehe, Ithiiilwuldbe "Expwgd as ordered by the Chair. bdtw 1 go through the records. I will go They have expressed their desire to kmm lluwgh the records and see what can be the policy of lndia regarding this. As far as dona lam not saying that it will not form part the policy of lndia regarding this is con- +of the record. Iam also not saying that it will cerned, we have put forward our views many krm part of the record. times before the world. Our country is also going to succeed in achieving the atomic SHRI INDER JTT: My only point is that power, but we want to use this power for healthy conventionsshould be folbwed...... peace and devebpment only. This is a good thing that some of the countrims are talking to MR. SPEAKER: No more of it. Mr. lnder ban the atomic weapons. But none of them Jit please. Please sit down. WeU, Ithink for has come forth to destroy the stock of thet dmul eigM hours, the Members have made atomic weapons they have piled. Here the very good points on the Defence Ministry. names of China and France have been Many Memberscouldhavespoken and could mentioned in this context. India is happy that have made many more good points. But both of these countries have signed on the unfortunately, timeconstraint is there. Ithink nonproliferation treaty. But we are much the hon. Minister for Defence should at least concerned of this that they talk of banning haveone hour to reply to the good pointsthat the atomic weapon on one hand but on the have been made and at 6 o'cbck we have to other they transfer the technology to other apply guilbtine. That is why, Mr. Ahmed and countries. There should be a complete ban other hon. Members, Iam very sorry that I on the making of atomic weapons all over the am not ina positionto accede toyour forceful world. There should be ban also on the plea and Iwould request you to take your transfer of this techndogy to othercountries. seats. Irequest the hon. Defence Minister to Attempt shoukl be made todestroy thestock- aommence his reply. pile of atomic weapons possessed by those countries, and unless some final settlement is reached in this regards, India's signing nonprofileration treaty will not be in the THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI interests of the country. SHARAO PAWAR): Mr. Speaker. Sir, Iam bnTf6gmdemands of grants for the There has been a good starl with regard Ministry of Defence approved by this House. to reducing tension in the world. There were The hon. members from the both sides of the two power-bkdc and now, its seem that only House have made very good and valuable one power bbck is going to exist . Some points regarding the country's security ar- good steps taken by the Soviet Union and rangements. And Iam of the firm view that America together are liable to help in es- these pointswillcertainly be helpful in making tablishingworld pleace. But at the same time our National Security policy. we should take the internal situations in Asiin countries into consideration as well. A different atmosphere is now visible in And thereafter we see that there is only one the world. After the gul-war, an atmosphere power-block that dominates the world. hfavowofpeace is intensely gaining ground Through the influence of the only power- h the world. The super powers are coming block left in the world, some diicub situations doser to each other in order to reduce ten- my arise there. lam glad to note the changes rbn. the powerful countries of the world are in Americas, stand on certain issues. Take In Wng in terms of reducing their stocks of lndia for instance. In regard to Kashmir rQmic, chemicals and other lethalweapons problem America had taken some dierent Iruh#l they are possessing in a large quan- approach earlier. Now that an initiative on ti&. Indii is very happy with the emergep bilateral discursions is in process. Nw d this new environment in the d. America does not seem to support the Pakistan's endeavour of inter-nationalising Sir. many hon. members have made the Kashmir issue. And this Is a healthy sign their submiiregarding atomic power. on part d America that it is considerii tho 447 Darn& f# Grants (Gen), SEPTEMBER 5.1991 ChemWs & Fetiilizers. CivJ 448 Aviath & Tourism etc [Sh. Sharad Pawar] and now they are rebuilding their country. Soviet Union has always been with lndia with reduction in economic and military assis- regard to matters concerning its defence . tance to Pakistan which wants to go ahead in Several of the hon. Members haveexpressed acquiring the atomic capability. The world their concern over the impact on the defence has become more conscious regarding the preparedness of lndia following these concept of peace. It isa moreopportunetime changes in the Soviet Union. It was sug- b pay attention towards establishing re- gested to look for an alternative source. But gional peace. Soviet Union and particularly Russia has contributed a lot in improving our defence The world peace cannot prevail in case equipments such as Tanks, aeroplanes and of a conflict between super powers and other sophisticated technologies. Ithink we regional strle. In the Gulf war, the entire must continue our existing agreements with world has witnessed how a regional strife Soviet Union which will terminate in 1995. caused world wide tension resulting in this Sir, it is again a matter of pleasure to note war fought by world's Modern technology. that my State Minister had recently visited This has amply proved that the war can Soviet Union where he was given an as- break out when efforts are not made to surancethatfriendshipwithlndiawillcontinue defuse tension. That is why, the efforts being as before irrespective of its internal affairs. I made for ushering world peace must be myself want to visit Russia and try to explore carried out at regional level also. It will cer- all the areas for ensuring helpfor Russia with tainly benefit thecountrieslike India, Pakistan, regard to matters concerning our defence, China etc. as their approach and attitude are still the same towards lndia despite changes in their Sir. the Prime Minister of Pakistan had internal affairs. We can certainly resolve all given certain proposals regarding the use of our problemsthrough mutual discussion and nuclear power. Although no specific proposal evolve a novel way in the present circum- was put before lndia but in his recent stances. speaches he certainly referred to this issue. He has taken certain initiatives to ensure Sir. in the changing scenario, lndia has peace in the South-Asia. lndia is never op- alsotried to improve its relations with several posed to this concept. But this is contradi- countries. The steps have also beentaken to tory becauseontheone hand, he is taking up improve our relations with U.S.A. I have certain proposals to ensure peace in the already referred to shift in its stand on South Asia and on the other hand, he is Kashmir. It has shifted its stand from the trying his best to increase nuclear arsenals. concept of Plebiscite to that of bilateraltalks The efforts made to get nudear arsenals and has conveyed the same to Pakistan as from China by Pakistan contradicts the very well Consequently, we have tried to improve proposal of peace and security being pro- our relations with U.S.A. We are trying to pounded by it. That is why lndia has not improve our relations in defence sector also. made public its stand in this regard so far. Sir , the chief of the Indian army has Ihave pleasureto state that efforts have gone to U. S. A. today with the intention of been made to improve our relations with our adopting their latest technology for our armed neighbours. we have friendship with Soviet forces. lndia has always pursued the policy Union for several years. Today, the circum- of maintaining friendly relations with our stances have changed there. The cries for neighbours. We have good relations with democracy are being heard and the economic Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives and Bangladesh. changes are being brought about these. The we are still trying to improve them. consequences that follow from such mea- sures at the initial stages are very much Pakistan'sapproach in this context is to visible there. But we are happy to note that expand its nuclear capability and it has also they have su~ssfullytackled the problems taken some steps in this regard. It is being 449 Demands far Grrtnts (Gen.).BHADRA 14.1913 (SAKA)Chemicals & Fettkers, CivJ 450 1991-92 h&. of Delence Min. of AviatrEx, & Tourism etc done with the help of China, which is regret- any compromise. If it requires greater atten- table. It was alleged here that we prepare our tion, it would definitely be given, but it is not budget keeping in view Pakistan's Defence proper for lndia to expand its Defence Bud- +Budget. It is not true. We are anxious to have get because it will give wrong signals within friendly relations with Pakistan. When the and outside. If we analyse the provisions representative of Mr. Nawaz Sharif came made for the Defence Budgets during the here. he was welcomed by the Prime Minis- last 4-5 years, it would be clear to the House ter. lndia accepted the proposal of peace that there has been progressive reduction in offered by Pakistan. lndia had all along re- the expenditure on Defence each year iterated that the people of lndia have no ill against the total expenditure of the Central feeling against our Pakistani breathern; that Government. I would like to put the figures lndia did not want to intervene in the internal of the previous years before the House. affairs of Pakistan, that relations between the two countries should be improved. Both [English] the countries are fighting against poverty and in order to achieve any success in this In 1987-88, the defence expenditure regard, it is imperative that we should not compared to total Central Government ex- make excessive provisions in our Defence- penditure was 18.39 per cent; in 1988-89 it Budget. Boththecountries are facing serious was 17.81 per cent; in 1989-90 it was15.52 economic crisis and to overcome it, they per cent; in 1990-91 it was 14.76 per cent must make drastic cut in their defence bud- and in 1991-92 it was 14.42 per cent. gets. lndia is following this policy. It was alleged that the provision made in Budget for [Translation ] Defence is not adequate. Sino-Indian rela- ,tions too were discussed here and today Thus. we have come down from 18% to there is no tension on our horders with China. 14%duringthe last 5-6 years which is notthe In the recent years, China has not taken any case with Pakistan. If you look atthe Defence such step which can create anxiety or doubt expenditure of Pakistan against its total in our minds. Therefore, we will try to develop Central Govt's expenditure, you will find that good relations with China also to ensure it was 38.8% in 1987-88,34.1% in 1988-89, mutual development. 34.6% in 1989-90 and 34.9 %in 1990-91. This has been published in "Economic Sur- As far as China is concerned, there is vey Pakistan and India". Latest figures of certainly peace on the border and efforts are Pakistan have not been made available so being made to improve our relations with far. but these figures showthat lndia istrying China. Mr. V.P.Singh had also referred to it hard to reduce its Defence Budget. It was in his speech. But our neighboring countries alleged here that International Monetary Fund are being supplied armaments by China. must have asked to initiate some steps in China have decided to supply an atomic this regard but this has not been done forthe Submarine to Pakistan on the plea that lndia first time. We have been taking similar steps had taken the initiative in this regard. But I for the last five years. Our young member, would like to make it clear that lndia had hon. Sh. Mohan Rawle has stated that we obtained asubmarinefrom Russiafor training should attack Pakistan but lndia does not purposes only and it was not equipped with want war with any one. We are for having any arms and ammunition and that too was friendship with Pakistan. We want to have handed back to U.S.S.R afterthe completion good relations with China also. We are for of training. Ihad never been the intention of havinggood relations with all our neighbours. Bur country to create panic among all the That is why we are reducing our defence , countries of the world by having it. It is forthis' expenditure every year. reason that Iwant to make it obvious that we are not at all in favour of making more It was stated that an additional sum of allocations for Defence. So far as national Rs. 350 crore has been provided this year as security is concerred, we will never make compared to the provision made during the that this information is coned. bd year. But Iagree with Shrl V.P. Singh There is hardly any day without an hrd- &at this amount may appear to be more, but dent of exchange of fire on IndoPakistan keeping in view the devaluation of Rupee border and parlicularly on the Kashmir bor- more payment inforeignexchange and other der. Fire is opened first by the Pakistani expenditure, in a way it is actually a reduc- troops which is only retaliated by the lndian tion in the budget. troops. Pakistan is making a false show of efforts to improve its relations with India. On &far as Pakistan is wncerned, it isour one hand it is indulging in the activities of desire to improve our relations with them. firing on lndian troops, false propaganda During my talks with the envoy of Sh.Nawaz against lndiaand makingthe issueof Kashmir Shaif and in his subsequent detailed talks an international issue along with its bogus with the Prime Minister, it wasconveyed that complaints against lndia with Human Rights Nawaz Shad Saheb wants peace in the Organisation of the other. region. Sir , we had some discussion for a few They want to have friendly relations with days alsocn this topic. The hon. member Mr. lndia. They are prepared to settle down the Chandra Jeet Yadav had referred to it and issues through bilateral talks. Our Prime apprised this House of all that he had come Minister has welcomed all such proposals to know through BBC transmission in Poond and we still stidc to that policy. But the sector. As a matter of fact, there is a village attitude of offering peace proposals on the named Kirani in PwnchSector which is near one hand, and to make an all out anti-India the line of wntrol that divides this village propaganda abroad on the other may ob- itself in two parts. Some of the houses of this , drud the efforts to bring about an atmo- village happen to fall on the lndian side and sphere of peace. someothersare inthe PakOccupiedKashmir On 2nd and 3rd September, our army You must have noticed that one month officers posted at our army check posts in back, former Pak Army Chid had made a that areacame to know that Pakistani soldiers statement that there was a possibility d war along with some terrorists are trying to with Indim Hawever Iam happy to note that infilterate into the lndian side of the border. h the new army Chief of Pakiihas stated led to the clash of troop. Pakistani troops that present situations are not fovourable for had initiated firing with full preparedness. a war with India. The Prime Minister of Pa- Heavy firing continued for two days. So lndia khtan has also observed that they could had to deploy her army with a view to take have good relations with lndia and there is steps to drive out the Pakistani terrorists no situation of war because neither we nor from the lndii territory and that fighting they in- tend to think that way. But in an continued for two days. In fact, Pakiii intwiew to the newsweek magazine, he troops drove inten kibmeten into the lndian expressed that there could be a war on the territory to open fire on lndian troops. It Kashmir issue. These are contradictory caused a great damage. statements. No doubt. we are fully prepared lo rattle issues through bilateral talks, but AN HON. MEMBER: What was your such talks can be successful only when army ddng there? there is improvement in the ground level situations. Without it. no progress can be SHRl SHARAD PAWAR: You are ask- made in this regard. Ihave been told that ing this question as to what the lndiin army Pddstan is still indulging in such activities as 'wasdoingthere. Infact they tookthe required mny training. supply of arms, ammunition steps and drove away all the Pakistani sol- and money, to the terrorist elements diers and terrorists, from the lndian territory. J#lgwOth hburion and infil~ationKashmii Haweveron account of bombardment, Indim rdpwdaRRi@nely~veryrad troopssuffered a bss of eight d their penom Lo. one officer and 7 persons of other ranks should always keep it intheir mind that areas and more than forty persons were left injured of responsibilities of the army, the navy and in the adion. Our soldiers noticed that while the air force have been constantly expand- returning Pakistani soldiers were also carry- ing. hg with them the dead bodies of about twenty Pakiini soldiers. lnspite of all this, We are to take care of the security of 15 lndian counteraction proved productive be- thousand kilometer of our land border and cause later on the army commanders of the more than 7,500 kilometer of sea border. two countries met to resolve the issue and Besides, this department is also entrusted decide that there will be no recurrence of with the security of our islands because such adion in that region. As per the latest special security measures are required to be information received only this noon, there is taken in respect of our oil deposits inthe sea complete peace in that area and Pakistani bed. Our army is always ready to extend its and lndian troops have gone back to their help to maintain the territorial integrity in the earlier positions in their respective areas. event of any natural calamity in the country. But it has made one thing very dear that on That is why all these are the responsibility of theone hand Pakistantalksof bringingabout our armed forces. The actual cost of the work improvement in its relation with India while can not be instantly assessed as it increases on the other hand, it follows the policy of when it is actually undertaken by them. In helping the terrorists. It is ample proof of fact we are not going to increase our defence malafie intentions of Pakistan. Therefore, I allocations. However routine expenditure b would like to say categorically to my coun- a must and it should not be taken that way trymen that we want to have friendly relations that the funds allocated are not being utUM with them, and we will try our best to maintain properly. Yet, wecontinue to followthepolky harmonious relations with that country but if of restricting our defence expenditure. Even Pakistani army takes any such step as it had today our current defence budget alloca- taken on last 2nd or 3rd September in tions comprise of 72% of revenue expendi- Poonch Sector, the Indian soldiers are ture and 28% of capital expenditure. Even in competent enough to counter that 1972.80% of it was meant for salaries and cldkn...... (lnternrptions) However we are allowances, 33% for essential military worried to see the vicious attitude of one of equipments, 4% for revenue works and 5% our neighbouring countries at such a point of for families and other items. V!: have not time when a peaceful climate has been allocated much amount for defence per- created all over the world with the unification sonnel. But inview of the latest developments of two Germanies and an air of change in the witnessed in the field (~fdefence technobgy relations between the Soviet Union and during the recent Gulf War, it would not be herim which is bringing them,doser. On proper to ignore our defence requirements. the contrary, our neighbouring country is Therefore, when we are yet to for formulate prepared to move into a wrong direction. a new defence policy, we are not in favour of Thii b not good at all. In view of these expansion of our army. Instead, our efforts developments, our Foreign Secretary will will be to equip our army with all sort d tdslt that country perhaps on the 19th of the sophisticated and latest type of arms and next month and we shall definitely raise this ammunition. More attentbn should be paid huewith them to ensure that whatever has to this aspect d the problem. So we wil happened the past is not repeated in future. ensure enough of that supply. It is true that HOWWOT on our part we shd do all that we depend on other countries fylmImport whatever is possible in this regard. of such weaponry. But in the face of foreign exchange constraints, such an import k It has been mentioned here that we are beooming increasingly difficult. In view d i~hgincreasingly more and more ex- this situation, we @hallhave to lay greater pndbreon our Defence preparedness. On stress on indigenous remarch and devsC that- Ihave already stated here that that opment Hence our poky is to pay greater i8 fMthe position. But the hon. Members attention to this point 456 Devnands for Grants (Gbn), SEPTEMBER 5,1991 ChemM& FertiKzm, Civil 456 Avianbn & Tourism etc [Sh. Sharad Pawar] veloped several ammunition including most lethal and anti-tank ammunition. Really, they Shri V.P.Singh says that our allocations have done a very commendable work in the for defence research and development have field of land and sea mines and armaments. been declining. But that is not the fact. Ihave seen that on this account there was a provi- ( Interruptbns) sion of 2 percent amount during 1989-90 which rose to a level of 4.3% in 1990-91. [English] That level has been maintained even during 1991-92. It shows that there is no decline on I am coming to that. As regards elec- this count because we want to pay greater tronic equipments that is all major systems attention in this regard. In respect of research. of Army communication network like elec- tronic switch, local area network, (Interruptions, [Translation] SHRl SOMNATH CHAT I ,WEE: What is the actual value of Indian rupee? Per- These have been modified by this de- centage is okay. But it does not make a big partment. They have designed and devel- difference. oped a number of electronic devices which have been very useful for the electronic (Interruptions) Murli Deora also does department. not agree. It has done wonders even in the engi- SHRl SHARAD PAWAR: Why do you neering section, which have benefited the drag Murli in it? We need to emphasize self- country. They are still making persistent reliance in view of the foreign exchange eff ortsfor indigenisation and development of constraints and internal situations prevailing ArjunaTank as main Battle Tank, which has in our friendly countries. On this point we been widely discussed here also. First, it has have paid greater attention. been stated here that a lot of expenditure has been made on that account but in fact A lot has been said here about the only an amount of Rs.174 crores has been DRDP, some of the Members said that it is incurred on this project. Rs. 375 crores have not working properly and getting delayed. been spent on LCA project. The Prototypeof They also said whether MBT is to be Arjuna the Arjuna tank frequently referred to here is or not. Also, they have expressed their ap- now ready. As per the statement made by prehensions about LCA Project. But Iwould the Minister of State in the Ministry of Defence like to say here that this department has yesterday, it is now under trial in the desert done a commendable work during the last of Rajasthan for the last six months. Some few years. Today, we have achieved self- drawbacks have been noticed on it and the reliance in several areas. The credit goes to efforts have been made to remove them. I DRDO. There are so many things. # has believe that this tank is comparable with the been asked here as to what is tho actual best of tanks available in other countries of progress made in this regard. The House the world. It is in no way less efficient. should be apprised of it. But we must know that there are a number of things which we YOU might haveseen the American tank cannot disclose in national interest. Our 'Abraham' used in the recent Gulf-War and Research Development has tried its level keeping inview thecapabilityand technology best to show an appreciable performance in of Abraham, British tank 'Leopard' and the the field of armament development. devel- German tanks, M.B.T. Arjun is in no way" opment. It has modlied and improved upon inferiir to these three ones. From some Mifield gun Mark-I, Mark4 and self- points of view, M.B.T. Arjun is even more propeled gun. k also indigenised muhibarrel improved and likely to be used in the nea Rodcet system. This department.also de- future. The allegation that its many compo- 4!i7 Demands for Grants (Gen.j,BHADRA 14.191 3 (SAKA)Chemr'mls & Fertd~ne,Cki 458 1991-92 Mn. of Defence Min. of Avn'ation & Tourism etc nents are imported from abroad is cot at all rines, aircrafts, dress-tyres, frigates, big frig- true. Iwould like to mention that its engine ates, like Godawari or Rajput and these all has not so far been developed here properly. taken together can be helpful for the pro- The Present engine is imported Germany. tection of the sea and we have paid much but we would definitely develop an engine attention towards Navy. here, it may take few days or months or years. It is not a fact that 70 or 60 percent Here, Ido not agree with what shri Amal improved components are being used in it. It Dutta has stated. The protection of sea is even less than 50 per cent but our ultimate boundaries of lndia is not a small task. More aim is to build this tank completely than 80 percent Indian trade conducted hith- indigenously.. .(Interruptions). . . It has been erto has been conducted through the sea- commissioned. routes and during last year, the trade worth Rs. 70,000 Crores was done. All of our As far as the Commissioning of import and export transportation is carried L.C.A.project is concerned, much time has outfromthere .oiltanksonwhichour industry goneh it. It know that many hon. Members depends, come and go from there. So we in the House have enquired about it. We cannot neglect our Navy and I fully agree would not like to go back to the background. with Shri Ravle Saheb that when we ne- Iknow that it has taken enough time, but I glected our Armedforces, the Britisherscame would like to tell the House that even a big here and subjugated us. we should always country like America took 15 years to set up. pay attention towards our Navel forces. such a big project. While setting up a big (Interruptions) project like L.C.A.. we cannot overlook the fact that we had no infrastructure here. The Hon. member, Shri Sudhir Sawant has responsibility to prepare infrastructure also pointed out that the organisational set-up of rests with this Department. In the beginning, our army is not balanced one as 25 percent the engines are not very good, so we must of it is its teeth and 75 percent is tale. But in prepare a prototype design with an imported reality, it is not so. In Indian army, 52 percent engine and only then. it should be taken for is teeth comprising of infantry, armed cores. a trial, and then, it should be improved to the artillery, engineers, signals, these all work in best of ourcapability. We have paid attention combined support. Tale services are 48 towards this. I myself want to go to Banga- percent, comprising of supplycores, army bre next week, along with aeronautical ex- and Ordnance cores, E.M.Es, electrical and perts to study the entire project and find out mechanical engineers, army education- ways to remove defects if any, in it. cores, postal services etc. I would pay my personal attention to bring it down. Many of our hon. Members have par- ticipated in this discussion and gave certain (Interruptions) suggestions. Col. Ram Singh Saheb stated that there was no utility for aircraft carrier and I.N.S.Vikrant and Virat have become very Shri Chandra Jeet Yadav Saheb stated old. It is true that they have become old, and that the report of the Ministry was old one, they were old even when lndia purchased and contained old information. It contains these aircarft carriers. But they were reno- the names of the persons who are no more vated and these are proving to be useful the Prime Minister and the Defence Minister. even to-day. Our Navy got strengthened I would like to point out that this report is for with these aircraft carriers. Navy always the period from 1st April, 1990 to 31st March needs an integral air-support. Navy cannot 1991. At that time, its responsibility rested on succeed without the support of airforce when Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh and Shri hundreds of miles away on the sea. So, the Chandra Shekhar and so, their names have need for aircraft carriers cannot be over- appeared here. The name of the present emphasized. The fleet must be a balanced Defence Minister will appear in the report of one. Its pre-requisites are carriers, subma- the next year. (Interruptions) SHRl VISHWANATH PRATAP SlNGH paid to it. We would not be able to do justice (fdehpur) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is one to the Jawans ii we take decision in a hury. minute left for guilbtine and we have to Therefore, the Government have dedcled to speak about the issue of ex-servicemen? I constitute a committee under the chairman- fear that because of it, we may not get time. shipof the Minister of Defence. The MiWr of Finance, the Minister of State in the Min- SHRl SHARAD PAWAR:Guilktine may istry of Defence, Minister of State in tt10 be applied after 5 minutes. Mr. Speaker, Sir, Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievants, the questbn of national security was raised and Pensions, the Minister of State the Min- and Iwould like to point out that we have paid istry of law, Justice and company Affairs, 5 adequate attention towards this. Only two MPs and 4 representative of Ex-servicemen months have passed since the formation of would be other members of the Committee. thisGovemment, it will take some more time, It has been stated in terms of references. but adequate attention has been paid to It, So far the issue of National Security is ooncerned.. .. (lntemtptions) a) To review them existing pension Iwould not like to take too much time on structure and other retirement Defenceproduction. This year, a provision benefits of the Defence service d Rs. 25,00 crores has been made. Re- pensioners of the diiferent ranks garding the role of private who retire at different point of time; clector.(htenyptions) and ' Many hon. members have raised the b) Keeping all relevant wnsideratbns issue of one -rankone-pension. Iwould lie in view to evolve a feasblo ap- to say that Government have no feeling of proach for imphving their retire- dimination about those ex-servicemen ment benefits of the Defence pen- who have served the nation. They have sioners and to lay down the man- oowly sacrifiiforthesakeof the country, ner in which their cases my bedealt it is our duty to remember them and we with in a time-bound manner. intend to do so. Much attention has been pakl towards some of their demands such as [ Translation] accommodation, banks bans. So far, one- mnk, one pension, & concerned, I have lwould like to clarify 2 points. One is that discussed it with many hon. members and I the Committee will give its recommendations agree with lndrajit Guptaji'who had opined before December 31 ,I991. that the concept of one-rankone pension is rot sound. SHRl RAM VllAS PASWAN ( Rosera): Tho time limit can be further extended. The concept is right or wrong, that we would discuss afterwards. But what Shri SHRl SHARAD PAWAR: There is no Whwanath Pratap Sihdecided has been possibilhy of further extension. The Com- widely disatssed. He did ml approve the mittee will function on the basis of decision concept of 'One rank one pension, the de- taken on 1 November, 1990 but kept in cbbn was taken on adhoc ws. It was obeyanm and concentrate on finding the stated in dedsion that 90 percent army probable reforms. The dedsbn of November personnel would be benefited, but Ido not 81 will not be changed. The aim will be nd think so. Merely 8.5 percent of the Jawans only to give more benefits but to introduce will get the benefit. The decision taken in more reforms also. The Committee after 1990 owered only upto the ranks of Subedar taking the State Governments into amfC Major end not the offirs. Even in Jawans dence, will find our ways and means to eleo, 92 percent d them were not included it provide facilitii to the Ex-servicemen. Iam Therekre, more s#ontkn b raquked to be confidentthat IwilIgetthocraopersdbndd cut motions to the Demands for Grants relat- Iwoukl not like to take more time of the ing to theMinistry of Defence tovote together House. Ivisited a number of places during unless any hon. Member desires that any of Ihe last one and a half month, I went to his cut motions may be put separately. Sfadren, Jaisalmer, watched Naval exer- dses, inspectedthe production unit, Kanpur All the cut motbns were put and negatived and research Institute, Pune. I am glad to submiit to the House that the morale of our MR. SPEAKER: I shall now put the Jawm in Siachin, posted at a height of Demands for Grants relating to the Ministry 22,000 feet is very high. They are always of Defence to vote. ready to fulfil all the responsibilities for the security of the country. Air force is providing The question is: full protection there to the Any; Navy is also performing their duty in a magnificent man- That the respective sums not ex- ner. Therefore, so far as the security of the ceeding the amounts on Revenue amtry is concerned, the Government is Account and Account shown in the &dent that our soldiers, be they high fourth column of the Order Paper be officers or of bwer rank, are doing their duty granted to the President. out of the p~operlyand are in a position to protect the ConsolidatedFundof India, tocomplete country. Wnh these words Iconclude. the sums necessary to defray the charges that will come in course of SHRl RAM NAlK (Bombay North) :Mr. payment during the year ending the Speaker, Sir, I agree to what the hon . 31st day of March, 1992, in respect of Minister of Defence has said. I therefore, the heads of Demands entered in the would like to withdraw my cut motions. second column there of against De- mand Nos. 16 to 22 relating to Ministry of Defence.' MR. SPEAKER :I shall now put all the The motion was adopted amands for Grants in respect of Ministry of Defence for the Year 1991-92 Voted by Lok Sabha %; W No.of Name of Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Grant Demand Demand on Account voted by the voted by the House House on 29th July, 1991 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. Q G, 1 2 3 4 ga BP 16. Ministry of Defence 554,60,00,000 56,38,00,000 554,59,00,000 56,39,00,000 ib P 17. Defence Pensions 874,84,00,000 18. Defence Services-Army 41 82,15,00,000 19. Defence Services-Navy 457,93,00,000 20. Defence Services-Air Force 1060,39,00,000 .. . 1060,38,00,000 I 21. Defence Ordnance Factories 350,00,00,000 ... 13,89,00,000 9 22. Capital Outlay on Defence Services ... 3087,46,00,000 ... 21 17,31,OO,OO gt m 1 3 Bp 465 Demands for Grants (Gen.),BHADRA 14,191 3 (SAKA)Chemkak & Fertilizes, CivJ 466 199 1-92 Mn. of ~efeksA& of Avhh& Tourism edc. MR.SPEAKER: Cheers for all and Ministry of Communications; congratulations to everybody. Demand No. 23 relating to Ministry 18.1 Ohrs. of Environment and Forests; Demand No. 24 relating to Ministry of External Affairs; Mlnlstry of Chemicals and Fertilizers, Demand Nos. 25 to 28,30and 31, Ministry of Civil Aviation and Tourism, 33 to 37 relating to Ministry of Fi- Minlstry of Civil Supplies and Public nance; Dlstributlon, etc. Demand No. 39 relating to Ministry [English] of Fwd Processing Industries; MR. SPEAKER : I shall now put the Demand Nos. 40 and 41 relatingto outstanding Demands for Grants relating to Ministry of Health and Family the Ministries and Departments to vote. Welfare; The question is : Demand Nos. 42 to 46 relating to Ministry of Home Affairs; "That the respect sums not exceeding the amount on Revenue Account and Demand Nos.47 to 50 relating to Capital Account shown in the forth Ministry of Human Resource De- column of the Order Paper be granted velopment; to the President, out of the Consoli- dated Fund of India, to complete the Demand Nos. 55 and 56 relatingto sums necessary to defray the charges Ministry of Information and Broad- that will come in course of a payment casting; during the yearsending the31st day of March, 1992, in respect of the heads of Demand No 57 relating to Ministry Demandsentered inthesecondcolumn of Labour; thereof against :- Demand Nos. 58 and 59 relating to Demand Nos. 5 and 6 relating to Ministry of Law, Justice and Com- Ministry of Chemicals and Fertiliz- pany Affairs; ers; Demand No. 60 relating to Ministry Demand Nos. 7 and 8 relating to of Mines; Ministry of Civil Aviation and Tour- ism; Demand No. 61 relating to Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs; Demand No.9 relating to Ministry of Civil Supplies and Public Distribu- Demand No.62 relating to Ministry tion; of Personnel. Public Grievance and Pensions; Demand Nos. 10 relating to Minis- try of Coal; Demand No. 63 relating to Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas; Demand Nos. 11 and 12 relating to Ministry of Commerce; Demand Nos. 64 to 66 relating to Ministry of . Planning and Demand Nos. 13 to 15 relating to Programme Implementation; Demand Nos. 67 and 68 relating to partment of Ocean Development; Ministry d Power and Non-Con- ventional Energy Sources; Demand No. 87 relating to Depart- ment d Space ; Demand Nos. 70 to 72 relating to Ministry of Science and Technol- Demand No.88 relating to Ld< oQY; Sabha; Demand No.73 relating to Ministry Demand No.89 relating to Rajya of Steel; Sabha; Demand Nos74 to 76 relating to Demand No.91 relating to Seae- Ministry of Surface Transport; tarlat of the Vice -President; Demand No. 77 relating to Ministry Demand No.rnplating to Union of Textiles; Territory of Delhi; Demand Nos. 78 to 80 relating to Demand No. 94 relating to Union Ministry of Urban Development; T-itory, of Andaman and Nicobar Islands; Demand No.81 relating to Ministry Demand No. 95 relating to the Union of Water Resources; Territory of Dadra and Nagar Haveti; Demand No. 82 relatingto Ministry Demand No. 96 relating to Union of Welfare; Territory of Lakshadweep; Demand Nos. 83 and 84 relatingto Demand No.97 relating to Union Department of Atomic Energy; Territory of Chandigarh; and Demand No. 85 relating to De- Demand No. 98 relating to Union partment of Electronics; Territory of Daman and Diu.' Demand No. 86 relating to De- 7he moth was awed No. d Name of Amountd Demand for Grant Amountd Demand for Gmni Demand bemand on Aocountwted by the W by theHouse House on 29thJuly, 1991 6 Revenue wfial Revenue Cobl siFP Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. 1 2 3 4 5 6 MhJsryd ChemMsand Fertihem 5. Departrnenlof Chemicals and Petrodremicals 6.22,00,000 10,70,00,000 6.21 ,00,000 10.70,W.OOO 6. Department of Fertilizers Ministy aiCMI Adatkn and Twrlsm 7. Departmenlof Civil Aviatbn 8. Department of Tourism Mini* d Civil Swim and Pu& Distrikrtion 9. Ministry d CMI Supplies and PublicDistributbn mdw 10. Ministry d Coal MfnistydCommme 11. Department d Commerce 12 Department of Supply Minktryof Communlcetbns No. of Name of Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Gmt Demand Demand on Account voted by the voted by the House 2! House on 29th July. 199 1 Revenue Capital Revenue Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. 15. Telecommunications Services 21 15,74,00.000 Ministry d Environment and Forests 23. Ministry of Environment and Forests Ministry of External Affairs 24. Ministry of External Affairs Ministry of Finance 25. Department of Economic Affairs Currency, Coinage and Stamps Payments to Financial Institutions Pensions Transfers to State Governments Loans to Government Servants etc. Department of Expenditure Audl Department of Revenue Direct Taxex Indirect Taxex Ministry d Food Proaesshg Industries 39. Ministry uf Food Processinfindustries 88 '86 689 06 q 3 * r 0-48.29 3=,0.3 gsr340 CV 080 0 '8 '32 3, a (37 V) r 000 0 0 0 0 0 0.. &do 60 99qq (Uorc01 rcu_co smw,a,,, C C E 475 Demands for Grants (Gen), SEPTEMBER 5,1991 Che- 8 Fertibs, Civil 478 Avialh & Tourism etc No. of Name of Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Grant 3 Demand Demand on Account voted by the voted by the House House on 29th July, 1991 ZQ Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. h'1- 1 2 3 4 5 6 Ministiy of Power & Non-Conventional Energy Sources 67. Department of Power 227.91 ,OO.OOO 1030,96,00.000 227,91 ,OO,OOO 1030,96,00,000 3$ - 3 68. Department of Non-Conventional Energy Sources 72,73,00.000 2.50,00,000 72,74,00,000 2,49,00,000 5 Ministiy of Science and Technology 70. Department of Science and Technology 71. Department of Scientific and Industrial Research 134,29,00,000 1.70,00,000 134,29,00,000 1,70.00,000 .i= 72. Department of Biotechnology Adinistry of Steel 73. Ministry of Steel Ministty of Surface Transport 74. Surface Transport 75. Roads 76. Ports, Lighthouses and Shipping Ministry of Textiles 77. Ministry ofTextiles Ministry of Urban Development 78. Urban Devebpment and Housing 79. Publk Works No. of Name of Amount of Demand for Grant Amount of Demand for Gmt 9 Demand Demand on Account votedby the voted by the House House on 29th Juy, 199 1 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. - 80. Stationery and Printing 48,33,00,000 1.90.00.000 48.34.00.000 1.90.00.000 @8 Ministry of Water Resources 81. Mlnistry of Water Resources , 169,25,00,000 Ministry of Welfare 82. Minlstry of Welfare 227,24,00,000 Depattrnentof Atomic Enetyy 83. Atomic Energy 241,97,00,000 84. Nuclear Power Schemes 173,85,00,000 Depattmentof electronic^ 85. Department of Electronics 45,52,00,000 Depattmentof Ocean Development 86. Department of Ocean Development 19,42,00,000 Departmentof Space 87. Department of Space 191,20,00,000 Parliament, Secretariatsof President and Vice-president, Union PublicServEce Commission 88. Lok Sabha 10.12.00,OOO 89. Rajya Sabha 4,50,00,000 91. Secietariat of the Vice-president 13.00,OOO MR SPEAKER: The outstanding De- MR SPEAKER: Shri Ram Nak, now mads for Grants relating to the Minisbies you will be alkwed to speak on the points and Depatments are passed. abaut which you have given notice to me. MR SPEAKER: Motion moved. , - SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE 'That the BiU to authorke payment and (BoIpw): Si you have spared those non- appropriation of certain sums from and fundioning Ministries. . out of the ConsolidatedFund of Idifor the services of the finadyear 1991- 92. be taken into consideration.' SHRl RAM NAIK$hmbay-North): Mr. ~pemhave gtven a notice under Rule 218 for discussing Appropriation Bill. I have given notice to discussthose matters of public importance which have not been dii- - THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI cussed in the House. For example, Ministry MANMW SINGH): I beg to mw- of Labour has not been discussed in the &eto introduce a Billb authorise payment House. The matter of great concem so far as and appropMtion of certain sums from and the Minitry of buris mncemed is that out of the Corrsolidated Fund of lndia for the there has been no check on price rise which servioes of fmancial year 199 1- 92. is on the constant increase. During the rule ofthe Government dShri Vishwanath Pratap MR. SPEAKER: The question is: Singh and that of Shri Chandra Shekhar. ', prices were soaring but nowadays thesc 'That leave be granted to inbrduce a Bill to seem to be galloping. In the last 2 to 3 authorise payment and appropriation of months, there has been more than 15 per- certain sums from and out of the Consoh- cent increase in the prices. So much so that dated Fund of India for the services of the gold has to mortgaged outside the country. finandal year 1991-92.' The result is that the salaried dass. specially the workers who have limited income are The motion was adopped suffering quite a lot. SHRl MANMOHAN SINGH: I intm- We know that DA is given to the em- duce" the BiQ ployees when prices rise. DA is announced on the basis of consumer price index. But - MR SPEAKER:The Minister may now price index does not increase to commen- move that the Billbe tdren intoconsideration. surate with the price rise, prices increase more than the rise in Consumer Price Index. SHRl MANMOHAN SINGH: I beg to In view of these facts, price index must be mOVB: reconstituted. If the mnsumer price index That the Bill to authorise-payment and indiies hundred percent neutralisation of appropriation of certain sums from and price riie. only then the people having Em- out dthe a~iiedFund of Indiafor ited salary can be benefited. The Govern- the services of the financial year 1991- ment had pnnnised to bring the prices badc 92, be taken into consideration.' to the position of 1990 within a period d 100 days. but the promise has not been fu#i& so far. There should be hundred p&m•÷ 'PtbMed in Ganette of Indi Extraordinary. Part II. Sedion 2. dated 5.9.1991. "Mroduced, moved with the recommendation of the President @rsaaion on the price rise in the Con- the industrial workers, 1982 as the base wmer Price bidex and DA should be paid on year. was made effective only in 1988. This that basis. Iwould Ike the hon. Minister of was done after a very wide ranging tr-0 ..Fnrvlcetog~anassurancefareconsti- principles H the hon. Members still want that tutjng the consumer ptb'ndex. It has be the Government should have a bok at it ame very essential. All the trade Unions again, Ican assure the House that we will had also made a similar demand last year. have an open mind in regard to this matter. The maD * was discussed extensively SHRl RAM NAIK: What about the see and it was stated \hat a Committee would be ond issue, whii is about improvement of constiMed. But the Consumer Prim Index the slums? has nol been reconstituted so far. My first damandisthat100percentDAshouklbe MR SPEAKER: That was not allowed. g'mn to those empkyed who have limited Yw have read it but Ijust kept quiet. salay- MR SPEAKER: The question is: The second subject whii Iwant to be CTLSCUSSBd is the slum improvement abng That the Bill to authorise payment and with Urban Qevebpment You are aware appropriation of certain sums from and that the population of Bombay has already out of the Consolidated Fund of lndiifor crossed one more. out of which 55 lakhs the services d the financial year 1991- people live in slums and about 25 lakhs 92 , be taken into consideratian: people are living on the Central Government land. The motion was adopted I The Central Government should issue MR SPEAII(ER: The House now take' m objection certificates to those who live up clause by dause consideration of the there so that necessary facilities are pro- Bill vided to them. Iwould, therefore, like the Central Government to issue 'No Objection The question is: CeMeates' to the slums in Bombay city. I am raising these two demands in House That Clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the during the discussion on Appropriation Bill. BilP. The motion was adopted MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Minister, would you Chuses 2 to 4 were added to the Bid liketoreply? MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 'That Uw Schedule, Clause 1. SHRl RAM NAIK: Si. Iam on a point of Enadkg Formula and the Long Tistand order. We are required to giye the notice at pan d the Bill 10 o'clock. I have given the notice at 10 o'dock. But the Government is not giving its The motion was adopted reply. h shows the inefficiency of the Gov- ernment. The Sdwdule, Clause, enacting huh SPEAKER: The Miniter is going to and the Long Tiwere added to the BiP reply -. 4g S SHRI MANMOHAN SINGH: Ibeg to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF ME me: MINISTRY OF COAL (SHRI P.A. SANGMA):The Consumer price index tor mat the Bin be passed'. 407~. . SEPTEMBER 5,1991 (Na 4) 488 MR. SPEAKER: The question is: The House stands adjourned to meet %at the Bill be pa&. tcimurrow at 11.00 AM. 7718motion was adopted 18.24 hrs. MR. SPEAKER: The motion is adopted and the Bill is passed. I must congratulate all The Lok Sabha then adjbumed till Eleven the hon. Members for passingthe Budget in of the CMon Friday. September 6 1991/ a meaningful manner. Bhadra 15 ,1913 (Saka) Printed at :S. Narayan 8 Sons, Delhi-110006.