Transcript of Television Interview – the Prime Minister Being Interviewed by Derek Round, Reuters, John Hughes, Christian Scie
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1 TRANSCRIPT OF TELEVISION INTERVIEW – THE PRIME MINISTER BEING INTERVIEWED BY DEREK ROUND, REUTERS, JOHN HUGHES, CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, AND KEN JALLEH, HONG KONG STANDARD, AT THE PENINSULA HOTEL, HONG KONG, ON 14TH OCTOBER, 1968 Interviewer: I am sure the prospect of taking two months off is very attractive to every Prime Minister in the world. Could you tell the world’s leaders what magic formula you discovered for being able to get away from it all? Prime Minister: Well, I think we fought most of our fundamental battles early and that made for a very hectic start. I don’t think we dodged the issues and over the first 5 or 7 years we brought home, I think, to the whole electorate the problems that they have to live with, the short-term ones and, more important, the eternal ones – our geographic location in Southeast Asia, the demographic position, the geo-politics of the area, the ideological divides in the area – and fortunately the lky\1968\lky1014.doc 2 Communist made catastrophic mistakes from 1961 onwards. They are out for the time being and they have decided to opt out completely from the constitutional arena. We have new problems – economic and security ones arising out of the British planning and programming for withdrawal east of Suez. All the things we can do in anticipation of events that are likely to happen between now and 71 we have done and I think it is probably profitable for me to just take a deep breath and rethink some of the problems and maybe have new ideas. Anyway, a fresh burst of enthusiasm. Interviewer: Prime Minister, I wonder if I could ask you a question about Singapore. I think I am correct in saying that your government is one of the few freely elected governments in the world that have all the seats in Parliament. Could I ask you: Are you embarrassed or worried by the absence of an effective opposition in Singapore? Prime Minister: I don’t think “embarrassed” or “worried” is apt, appropriate. I would prefer that the Legislative Chamber reflects the actual lky\1968\lky1014.doc 3 ground position in which case I think we will probably have about three-quarters of the seats, and then there will be an opposition party, in the main pro-Communist, and issues will be joined and, against that kind of a back-drop, I think we can project our policies much more vividly to the people. Not unnaturally they didn’t think their role was to act as a backdrop for us, so they removed the backdrop and we have to develop new styles, new methods of getting across the message to the people. If we don’t, then the issues will be blurred and people’s attention will not be in focus and that means more troublesome elections in 1973, five years from now. Interviewer: Do you see the prospect of an effective opposition party being developed before the next elections? Prime Minister: Well, this is very difficult to say. As of now, the Communist line, which, of course, is reflected in their open Communist front activity, is abandonment of open participation in parliamentary elections or parliamentary forms of activity or parliamentary struggle as they call it. In Singapore they say, lky\1968\lky1014.doc 4 “We take it to the streets.” I think Hong Kong knows what that means. We have that for a long time and it has not been successful; taking it to the streets means that the crowd must be with you. I mean if you are chasing law and order and suddenly you find yourself all lonesome in the middle of the street, that is very embarrassing. You have to have a crowd and you get lost. Whether they will switch policy in time before 1973 when the next elections are due to be held, I don’t know. It depends really upon the course of events in Southeast Asia and whether their policy will make sense in Malaysia, particularly West Malaysia and it is a co-ordinated policy. Malaysia to them is a non-entity. They use the word “Malaya” in which they include Singapore and it is the peninsula which for them is the major scene of action. I think they may be wrong. In which case they pay a very heavy price, many more years of futile struggle. If they are right, then we will have quite an exciting time. Interviewer: I refer to a statement you made yesterday about Singapore supporting Malaysia in the dispute over Sabah. I think there lky\1968\lky1014.doc 5 is a standing invitation to you, Sir, to visit the Philippines. Could this materialise in the near future? Prime Minister: May I say what I said about Sabah? I mean you can construe it anyway you like, but our position is when we were in Malaysia, we were part of Malaysia just as Sabah was a part of Malaysia, we joined Malaysia together. When we were separated from Malaysia, we considered and we still consider Sabah to be a part of Malaysia. From time to time I have an opportunity to visit other countries and one of these days when conditions permit, I hope to visit the Philippines and gain educationally from it. Interviewer: May I ask you about your visit to Japan? Is it with a view to obtaining more Japanese support for Singapore financially and I also understand that the purpose is to sign a contract with a big shipbuilding yard in Sembawang? Prime Minister: No, no. You know the press builds up all this. First of all, it is a nice time of the year to visit Japan or so they tell me. I hope to spend 6 enjoyable days. Secondly, it is part of lky\1968\lky1014.doc 6 Singapore’s policy to make friends with anybody who wants to make friends with Singapore. The only condition is we don’t interfere with each other’s internal policies, and all who accept that are our friends. We like to trade, co-operate economically or have joint ventures with with industrially advanced nations and Japan is one of them. At the moment, I think, Japanese investments comprise the largest single investment by foreign industrialists. At a rough guess it is 12 ½ % of the total of our investments and I think it does no harm to develop some rapport, government to government, person to person. Interviewer: I take it in the past there has been some criticism that British businessmen haven’t been doing as much as they might to invest in your country and I think in the last few months there has been several British missions and, I think, a party of British financial writers who visited the Republic as your guests. Do you think this is likely to lead to a certain increased interest and hopefully increased British investments in the Republic? lky\1968\lky1014.doc 7 Prime Minister: Yes, if followed up. I think their interest has increased. Whether it will be followed up and whether projects will materialise will depend upon the constant canvassing, the effort made to sustain the interest. I am told there are about half a dozen projects already being considered. If we keep it up and if British capital exports are facilitated, then we probably will have more from Britain. If it is not encouraged by British financial policies, well, then Singapore like the rest of the world or the rest of the Commonwealth part of the world, will have less capital and expertise from Britain. But the policy, to Singapore, is at least as good as any other part of the British Commonwealth. Interviewer: What you said just now suggests that the British Government itself could give a little bit more encouragement to deploy British capital while appreciating your own problems … Prime Minister: Well, this is part of the changing economic position of Britain and the world and for some years now, I think, successive British governments – not just the British Labour Government – have not particularly encouraged the export of capital. I think the emphasis or the priority is to develop those parts of lky\1968\lky1014.doc 8 Scotland and Wales, which is considered electorally more beneficial. Interviewer: Sir, if Singapore is to attract foreign investment, it must provide security, but Britain is pulling out, the American posture is uncertain, and regional defence alliances don’t seem to be getting off the ground. How do you foresee Singapore’s need for security being met? Prime Minister: Well, I think being a resident of Hong Kong, you ought to give me the answer to that because you have done it so remarkably successfully. You live far more dangerously than we so and nobody can complain that uncertainties have in anyway inhibited Hong Kong’s growth. True, you may have paid a slightly higher price for it, amortisation, capital and interest thereon taking say, 4 or 5 years instead of 9 or 10 years. Well, I would say the climate in Singapore, both physical and political, is more moderate, more comfortable than in Hong Kong and given a little bit of good luck and a great deal of hard work, there is no reason why there shouldn’t be lky\1968\lky1014.doc 9 continuing security in the seventies. I don’t know who is going to be elected in America and who will be in charge for the next 4 years but assuming that there is no sudden write- off of the stakes in Southeast Asia, the southeastern realm of Southeast Asia, that means there will be a continuing interest probably by Britain, Australia and New Zealand, perhaps not in the same substantial form, in force levels as they are now, but enough for the purpose.