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S. Hrg. 112–612 THE FUTURE OF HOMELAND SECURITY HEARINGS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED TWELFTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION EVOLVING AND EMERGING THREATS—JULY 11, 2012 THE EVOLUTION OF THE HOMELAND SECURITY DEPARTMENT’S ROLES AND MISSIONS—JULY 12, 2012 Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.fdsys.gov/ Printed for the use of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs ( U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 76–059 PDF WASHINGTON : 2012 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:06 Dec 04, 2012 Jkt 76059 PO 00000 Frm 000001 Fmt 05011 Sfmt 05011 P:\DOCS\76059.TXT SAFFAIRS PsN: PAT COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut, Chairman CARL LEVIN, Michigan SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii TOM COBURN, Oklahoma THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware SCOTT P. BROWN, Massachusetts MARK L. PRYOR, Arkansas JOHN MCCAIN, Arizona MARY L. LANDRIEU, Louisiana RON JOHNSON, Wisconsin CLAIRE MCCASKILL, Missouri ROB PORTMAN, Ohio JON TESTER, Montana RAND PAUL, Kentucky MARK BEGICH, Alaska JERRY MORAN, Kansas MICHAEL L. ALEXANDER, Staff Director CHRISTIAN J. BECKNER, Associate Staff Director for Homeland Security Prevention and Protection NICHOLAS A. ROSSI, Minority Staff Director BRENDAN P. SHIELDS, Minority Director of Homeland Security Policy ERIC B. HEIGHBERGER, Minority Professional Staff Member MARK K. HARRIS, Minority U.S. Coast Guard Detailee TRINA DRIESSNACK TYRER, Chief Clerk PATRICIA R. HOGAN, Publications Clerk LAURA W. KILBRIDE, Hearing Clerk (II) VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:06 Dec 04, 2012 Jkt 76059 PO 00000 Frm 000002 Fmt 05904 Sfmt 05904 P:\DOCS\76059.TXT SAFFAIRS PsN: PAT C O N T E N T S Opening statements: Page Senator Lieberman ........................................................................................... 1, 39 Senator Collins ................................................................................................. 3, 41 Senator Carper................................................................................................ 21, 58 Senator McCain ................................................................................................ 24 Senator Johnson.............................................................................................. 28, 62 Senator Akaka .................................................................................................. 66 Prepared statements: Senator Lieberman ....................................................................................... 79, 148 Senator Collins.............................................................................................. 81, 151 Senator Carper ................................................................................................. 153 WITNESSES WEDNESDAY, JULY 11, 2012 Hon. Michael V. Hayden, Principal, Chertoff Group ............................................ 5 Brian Michael Jenkins, Senior Adviser to the President, RAND Corporation ... 7 Frank J. Cilluffo, Director, Homeland Seurity Policy Institute, George Wash- ington University ................................................................................................. 9 Stephen E. Flynn, Ph.D., Founding Co-Director, George J. Kostas Research Institute for Homeland Security, Northeastern University .............................. 12 THURSDAY, JULY 12, 2012 Hon. Jane Harman, Director, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Wood- row Wilson International Center for Scholars ................................................... 44 Admiral Thad W. Allen, U.S. Coast Guard (Retired), Former Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard ...................................................................................... 48 Hon. Richard L. Skinner, Chief Executive Officer, Richard Skinner Con- sulting ................................................................................................................... 51 ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES Allen, Admiral Thad W.: Testimony .......................................................................................................... 48 Prepared statement with an attachment ....................................................... 157 Cilluffo, Frank J.: Testimony .......................................................................................................... 9 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 102 Flynn, Ph.D., Stephen E.: Testimony .......................................................................................................... 12 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 114 Harman, Hon. Jane: Testimony .......................................................................................................... 44 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 154 Hayden, Hon. Michael V.: Testimony .......................................................................................................... 5 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 83 Jenkins, Brian Michael: Testimony .......................................................................................................... 7 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 86 Skinner, Hon. Richard L.: Testimony .......................................................................................................... 51 Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 168 (III) VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:06 Dec 04, 2012 Jkt 76059 PO 00000 Frm 000003 Fmt 05904 Sfmt 05904 P:\DOCS\76059.TXT SAFFAIRS PsN: PAT IV Page APPENDIX Response to post-hearing questions for the Record of July 11, 2012: Mr. Hayden ....................................................................................................... 125 Mr. Jenkins ....................................................................................................... 127 Mr. Cilluffo ........................................................................................................ 135 Mr. Flynn .......................................................................................................... 142 Response to post-hearing questions for the Record of July 12, 2012: Ms. Harman ...................................................................................................... 179 Admiral Allen with an attachment ................................................................. 183 Mr. Skinner ....................................................................................................... 200 VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:06 Dec 04, 2012 Jkt 76059 PO 00000 Frm 000004 Fmt 05904 Sfmt 05904 P:\DOCS\76059.TXT SAFFAIRS PsN: PAT THE FUTURE OF HOMELAND SECURITY: EVOLVING AND EMERGING THREATS WEDNESDAY, JULY 11, 2012 U.S. SENATE, COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS, Washington, DC. The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:09 a.m., in room SD–342, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Joseph I. Lieber- man, Chairman of the Committee, presiding. Present: Senators Lieberman, Carper, Pryor, Collins, Coburn, Brown, McCain, and Johnson. OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN LIEBERMAN Chairman LIEBERMAN. The hearing will come to order. I apolo- gize to my colleagues for being late. I got a call about a pending legislative matter that I had to attend to. And I thank Senator Col- lins for resisting the urge to grab the gavel. [Laughter.] Although a twist of fate may take somebody at this table to the gavel in January. This is the first of two hearings that this Committee will hold this week, today and tomorrow, and other hearings will probably follow in a series that is aimed at looking backward and forward to both the terrorist threat to our country, particularly to our homeland, and how the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has done in responding to that threat and what it should do to re- spond to the threat, be ready to meet the evolving threat in the decade ahead. This review is engendered first and most significantly in antici- pation of the 10th anniversary of the Homeland Security Act being passed, in November 2002, that created the Department of Home- land Security legislation, which this Committee sponsored and originated. I suppose in a different sense more directly related to the Com- mittee, as I said a moment or two ago, there will be a change in leadership of this Committee in the next session since I am leaving the Senate at the end of this term. I personally thought that it would be responsible for me in the last 6 months of my chairman- ship to try to build a record, particularly from outside experts such as those we have here today, but also from the Department and others in government in later hearings, to help guide the new lead- ership of the Committee as it continues its work in the next session of Congress. (1) VerDate Nov 24 2008 13:06 Dec 04, 2012 Jkt 76059 PO 00000 Frm 000005 Fmt 06633 Sfmt 06633 P:\DOCS\76059.TXT SAFFAIRS PsN: PAT 2 This first hearing is going to examine the mid- to long-term evo- lution of the terrorist