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„Russia in Europe: Partners or Challengers?“ CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS PRAGUE APRIL 2010 Russia in Europe: Partners or Challengers? Conference Proceedings Christoph Heusgen, Sergey A.Karaganov, Karel Schwarzenberg, Vladimír Dlouhý (ed.) Published by Prague Twenty, non profit organization Tržiště 366/13, 118 00 Praha 1 – Malá Strana IČ:28937503 www.praguetwenty.com Edited by Vladimír Dlouhý First edition, 2/2010 Copyright © 2010 Prague Twenty Print: JPM TISK spol. s r.o. The text has not been edited nor the language corrected. The transcription of the discussion has not been authorised by the speakers. CONTENTS OPENING Jefim Fištejn _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 5 INTRODUCTION Vladimír Dlouhý _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 7 A. Dr. CHRISTOPH HEUSGEN _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 9 Russia in Europe: Partners or Challengers? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _11 B. Prof. SERGEY A. KARAGANOV _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _19 Russia in Europe: Partners or Challengers? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _23 C. KAREL SCHWARZENBERG _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _33 Russia in Europe: Partners or Challengers? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _35 DISCUSSION _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _39 PRAGUE TWENTY _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _52 OPENING Good evening ladies and gentlemen. My name is Jefim Fištejn, I am a journalist and the founding member of the foundation Prague Twenty, my role is limited at this gathering, just to introduce our guests and to introduce actually our foundation. Those of you who attended the previous event organized by Prague Twenty probably know it. For those of you who don’t know just few words should be said. It is probably the youngest think tank in Prague established by a group of people with different professional background but united in a feeling that there is still space to have another think tank in the Czech Republic organizing the event like this one on crucial issues for the further development of Europe and at the same time being a vehicle a platform for the truly independent, non-partisan discussion following no partylines and so for this reason the foundation a few month ago, a year ago. And it has already had one such event and today’s event is dedicated exactly to this development of Europe. It is the relationship between the Europe today and the Russian Federation. The name is Partners or Challengers. Let me introduce briefly the speakers. Mr. Christoph Heusgen is the advisor to Chancellor Angela Merkel. He is the advisor on the field of security and foreign relations. Professor Sergey Karaganov is the chairman of the Council for Foreign Security Policy of the Russian Federation. Mr. Karel Schwarzenberg probably does not have to be introduced at all. But anyway, He is the Senator, former Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic and the Chairman of the TOP09 political party. Vladimir Dlouhy is the founding father of the Prague Twenty think tank, so he will be anchoring the event of today. Please, the floor is yours. Jefim Fištejn, journalist, Prague Twenty Prague, Czech Republic April 9, 2010 5 6 INTRODUCTION Thank you very much, Jefim. Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, let me join Jefim in thanking you for coming to this event of Prague Twenty. When selecting the discussion topic for our conference couple of weeks ago, we opted for today’s title because of its obvious importance. What we did not know, however, was that our event will take place almost exactly 24 hours after the signature of a new nuclear disarmament treaty between Russia and US and that this signature will take place exactly in Prague. But it was a good timing, by all means. At the start, I am going to introduce the topic from a Czech, or we may say from Central and East European angle. There is and there always will be a dichotomy inside us when speaking about Russia. On one side, there is an understanding that Russia is a big country, maybe with lower standard of living, but still powerful, rich in energy resources and strong in some selected areas of research, technology and manufacturing. Understanding that Russia should be given a chance and also understanding that the generation of today’s Russians, disregarding whether they consider themselves to be pro- government or among the opposition, were raised and educated with the feeling that they are citizens of one of the true world super-powers. On the other side, there is a great suspicion and fear. And I don’t have to elaborate it much, as we all well understand that this stems from the period of communism that Soviet Union imposed on our region after the Second World War, but also from the history of Russian imperialism. Second, when we shake down the Central and East European Russian trauma and we try to see the problem from European perspective, we should look back. In 1990, we were naïve about Russia. First, we saw it as a loser. Second, we believed that Russia is going to somehow „dissolve“ in our democratic world. Third, economically we treated it from quite a disdainful position. And fourth, we – being a bit intoxicated by the victory of Euro Atlantic world and the famous „end of the history“ – tried to expand and strengthen our economic, military and political positions. We did it, being firmly convinced about our truth and our political very basic principles, but we did it also believing that we bring justice and well being to former Soviet Union after communism. And after all, what was so wrong about it: the winners always try to fix the gains on the account of the loser. And, suffering under communism, at least in our region, we had a right to feel that a battle was won. 7 Today, I believe, that this was wrong. We undermined the position of that time Russian elites who were genuinely ready to join „our world“. Second, we alienated vast part of Russian population, who just did not consider themselves as losers and are very proud about Russia in general. Third, we helped the old structures, especially KGB structures, to make a remarkable comeback. And last, but not least, our own weaknesses struck back – today we see that 1990 was not the end of history, but on the contrary, a new history emerges, where our Euro Atlantic world is in retreat. So today, we have Russia as we have it. But I want to be well understood. I am uneasy about Russia today. Yes, I hate the old clichés about Russian danger. We should see it as a partner – economic, political, cultural – in all aspects of our life. We should understand Russian ambitions and geopolitical concerns. I was always skeptical about the talk of Ukraine or Georgia join NATO, for example. We should first do our own, European homework, to be strong enough (both economically and politically) to be able to deal with the energy security and not to wine all the time about bad and dangerous Russian oligarchs and politician. But on the other hand, Russia must deliver and I am afraid, it is not. Is Russia powerful or just dangerous? Is the recent revitalization of Russian power only a consequence of the lucky development in the energy and raw material prices in recent decade? Probably yes, because the information we have is that, with very few exceptions, the financial windfall from last years was not used for productive investment, even in the most crucial Russian industries as gas and oil. Russia is extremely irritable, peevish, and – with all reservations about President Saakashvili’s policies – the muscle flexing in Georgia has been exercised with such an arrogance that – especially in our region – must have recalled reminiscences about our humiliation during communism. But Russia is also almost ridiculously imperial, overlooking contemptuously not only our region, but also sometimes even Europe. Ladies and gentlemen, I purposely selected my introductory words as a bit provocative. Prague Twenty wants to have open and candid discussions and in a dignified and friendly way to confront even quite opposing views. For this we have here today three well-suited personalities: Christoph Heusgen, Sergey A. Karaganov and Karel Schwarzenberg. Vladimír Dlouhý, Chairman, Management Board, Prague Twenty Prague, Czech Republic April 9, 2010 8 Dr. CHRISTOPH HEUSGEN Background Information Christoph Heusgen was born on 17 March 1955 near Neuss, Germany. After passing his university entrance examination, he read economics at the University of St Gall (Switzerland) and at Georgia Southern College (USA). He then completed postgraduate studies at both St Gall and the Sorbonne in Paris. After obtaining his doctorate at the University of St Gall, he entered the Foreign Service in 1980.