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Committee for The Executive Office OFFICIAL REPORT (Hansard) High Street Task Force: NILGA; FSB; Hospitality Ulster; NIRC; Tourism NI; Retail NI; Scotland's Towns Partnership 3 March 2021 NORTHERN IRELAND ASSEMBLY Committee for The Executive Office High Street Task Force: NILGA; FSB; Hospitality Ulster; NIRC; Tourism NI; Retail NI; Scotland's Towns Partnership 3 March 2021 Members present for all or part of the proceedings: Mr Colin McGrath (Chairperson) Mr Doug Beattie (Deputy Chairperson) Ms Martina Anderson Mr Trevor Clarke Mr Trevor Lunn Mr George Robinson Mr Pat Sheehan Ms Emma Sheerin Mr Christopher Stalford Witnesses: Mrs Suzanne Wylie Belfast City Council Mr Neil Hutcheson Federation of Small Businesses Mr Colin Neill Hospitality Ulster Mr Derek McCallan Northern Ireland Local Government Association Alderman Stephen Moutray Northern Ireland Local Government Association Mr Aodhán Connolly Northern Ireland Retail Consortium Mr Glyn Roberts Retail NI Mr Phil Prentice Scotland's Town Partnership Mr John McGrillen Tourism NI The Chairperson (Mr McGrath): I welcome Derek McCallan, chief executive officer of the Northern Ireland Local Government Association (NILGA); Alderman Stephen Moutray from Armagh, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council; and Suzanne Wylie, chief executive of Belfast City Council. I invite you to give us a short introduction, after which members will have an opportunity to ask questions. Alderman Stephen Moutray (Northern Ireland Local Government Association): Thank you for the invitation; it is welcome and timely. Amongst other things, I chair NILGA's all-council economy group. As you know, Suzanne Wylie, who is here representing council chiefs, is chief executive officer of Belfast City Council. Derek McCallan, NILGA's chief executive, also has direct experience of town centre design and management here and in Scotland. Today is a sprint, but transforming high streets is a marathon. The high street task force was widely welcomed when it was set up. NILGA joined it by invitation from the start, and we asked it to work smart, work fast and not to duplicate; we asked it to include villages and we asked it to bid for investment and to transfer that investment locally; and we said that it must have outcomes that are led 1 by local high-street partners and that it must embed high streets in the Assembly's Programme for Government. It remains to be seen whether all of that will come to pass, but we welcome the initiative, which, if delivered through councils, will see things happening faster, better and more sustainably. We are aware that time is tight, Chairperson, so I will hand over to Suzanne. Mrs Suzanne Wylie (Belfast City Council): Good afternoon, everybody; it is good to be here. I am sure that all the stakeholders whom you will listen to this afternoon are very much in favour of the high street task force. [Inaudible.] I guess that that is required because of all the various stakeholders who are involved. Our high streets, whether in a village, a town centre or a city, were already struggling because of the huge strategic shift in retail. At local council level, with some of the stakeholders who are around the table today, we were already reimagining what our high streets in towns and city centres should look like and we were getting on with quite a lot of work on that. We all know that it is a cross-cutting issue, and that is why the TEO Committee is so interested in it. It will need to stay cross-cutting if we are to solve some of the problems on which COVID has shone a spotlight. We all want the task force to move quickly and to succeed. However, to do that, we need to make sure that we have access to the mechanisms required for policy change, for investment in our towns and villages, and for delivery. We need clarity on how that will happen. I am happy to take questions on that. This is real place-based recovery, and it will require a joined-up partnership between local councils, stakeholders, sectors, businesses and Departments. Without the vibrancy of high streets, we will struggle to get people to live and invest here or to create jobs or get tourists to visit. It also affects planning and transport policies and our cultural strategies and even the levelling-up agenda, which is happening and is being discussed now at Westminster. The task force as it is set up now is very well placed to come up with the advice as to what needs to happen. There is enough expertise around the table to do that. The who and the how will be more of a challenge for us. That is something that we would like the TEO Committee to consider, and Derek will follow up on that. There are some things that we would like to highlight that need to be thought through. The task force has just had its first meeting, so it is very early days, but we do not want it to go into a huge process. We have set up some subgroups, which is the right thing to do, but clear time frames need to be set for the task force to report and to give an action plan as to what we think needs to happen. That has to be considered in the right way across the COVID task force and through Departments. First, time frames need to be clear. Secondly, we need to be clear that we have the right links to influence policy change, whether planning policy or rates policy, and how we link to the required financial support, whether that is financial support to prop up businesses or to support regeneration, investment or housing investment, or the revitalisation funds that DFC rolled out in the first phase of COVID. I will say again that we are not starting from scratch. A lot of work has been done, and just this week the Chancellor announced funds for high-street recovery. They are envisaged to prop up businesses and to work through a real partnership between central and local government. Clearly, that is what we would like to see. I will hand over to Derek now to complete the presentation. Mr Derek McCallan (Northern Ireland Local Government Association): I have just a few sentences because I am very conscious of time. As Suzanne said, the impact is key, and the Programme for Government and the task force should adopt a policy of divest and devolve. What I mean by that is that, as we speak, the Chancellor is announcing a £5·8 billion high-street restart fund. That is a £170 million for Northern Ireland, and that should be distributed via councils as in the rest of the UK. I am conscious of time, but, ultimately, we all know about the radical approach needed here where power and resources have to be locality-based. It is the only way to do the re-imaging and the transformation that Suzanne and Alderman Moutray referred to. We see a vision here where we are turning cities, towns and villages from areas where boundaries are overseen by public servants and regulators to economic systems with delivery teams in communities, and they include the partners who will speak to you later today — our business and community colleagues. 2 That may seem radical, but it is more of a cultural change and a "trust local talent" thing than anything overbearing. With your indulgence, Chair, Alderman Moutray will close our short comments now. Alderman Moutray: As the Committee knows, good practice has been and will be harvested by many of those giving evidence today, including our councils. We know of many cities, such as Toronto, that are leading the way. Best practice can also be tailored if councils are given the legislative and fiscal tools to do so. If Commonwealth countries in Africa can develop a smart-villages approach to rural development, the 11 councils can competently tailor that with local partners to transform our high streets long after the task force has performed its role. Indeed, the high street task force should be task and finish while the high streets and those who use them must be infinite. The Chairperson (Mr McGrath): Thank you very much indeed for your presentation. I will pass over to members for questions. Mr Sheehan: Thanks to the panel. It is good to talk to you again, Suzanne and Stephen, and I welcome Derek. I want to ask about future planning. Stephen made the point that this is a marathon not a sprint. We had been expecting multi-year Budgets as a result of NDNA, but that is not going to happen now. How will that affect future planning? How will Brexit affect the work of the high street task force? Mr McCallan: I have written most of those down. Thanks for your welcome, Mr Sheehan. As for multi- year Budgets, it would be better if there was multi-annual budgeting. We would prefer, fiscally, as councils, to work on an electoral-term basis rather than a run to the line every March, but we do not have that. In our own mechanisms, we are asking for the national lobbying of the Treasury. In other words, for fiscal freedom of councils to look at the long term, but "we have got what we've got", if you will excuse that phrase, in planning finance. My colleagues, Alderman Moutray and Suzanne, may wish to expand on that point. I am tempted to respond quickly, Mr Sheehan, to the question about EU exit. We are completing a barriers and opportunities report with a public service excellence body across the water, and we will be looking at that in great detail.