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Seanad E´Ireann Vol. 195 Wednesday, No. 3 29 April 2009 DI´OSPO´ IREACHTAI´ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD E´ IREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIU´ IL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Wednesday, 29 April 2009. Business of Seanad ………………………………75 Order of Business …………………………………75 Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2009: Second Stage …………………………………89 Committee Stage ………………………………121 Proposed National Asset Management Agency: Motion …………………143 Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2009: Report and Final Stages ……………………………170 Motion for Earlier Signature……………………………176 Adjournment Matters: Visa Applications ………………………………177 Local Authority Staff………………………………180 Cancer Screening Programme …………………………182 SEANAD E´ IREANN ———— De´ Ce´adaoin, 29 Aibrea´n 2009. Wednesday, 29 April 2009. ———— Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Business of Seanad. An Cathaoirleach: I have received notice from Senator Fidelma Healy Eames that, on the motion for the Adjournment of the House today, she wishes to raise the following matter: The need for the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to outline the way in which he will provide for a more efficient and easier visa system for students wishing to choose Ireland as a base for studying the English language. I have also received notice from Senator Jerry Buttimer of the following matter: The need for the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to sanc- tion the appointment of lifeguards on Irish beaches. I have also received notice from Senator Brian O´ Domhnaill of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Health and Children to confirm the roll-out of BreastCheck in County Donegal; and if she would confirm the exact position and the associated timeframe relating to the delivery of this service. I have also received notice from Senator Pearse Doherty of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Health and Children to approve a derogation from the recruitment freeze in the public sector to allow the employment of radiographers so the BreastCheck service can be provided to the women of Donegal before the end of the year. I regard the matters raised by the Senators as suitable for discussion on the Adjournment and they will be taken at the conclusion of business. As the matters raised by Senators O´ Domhnaill and Doherty are similar, I suggest they share time in order that both matters might be taken. Order of Business. Senator Donie Cassidy: The Order of Business is No. 1, Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2009, formerly the Social Welfare Bill 2009; No. 1a, motion for earlier signature; and No. 28, Private Members’ motion No. 36 regarding proposals to establish a national asset management agency, NAMA. The Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2009 will be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business, spokespersons may speak for 12 minutes and other Senators for seven minutes and 75 Order of 29 April 2009. Business [Senator Donie Cassidy.] Senators may share time by agreement of the House; Second Stage to conclude not later than 2.30 p.m., if not previously concluded, with Committee and Remaining Stages to commence at 3.15 p.m., to adjourn at 5 p.m., if not previously concluded, and to resume at 7 p.m. if not previously concluded. No. 1a, motion for earlier signature, will be taken at the conclusion of Committee and Remaining Stages of No. 1. No. 28, Private Members’ motion No. 36 regarding a proposal to establish a national assets management agency, NAMA, will be taken at 5 p.m. and conclude not later than 7 p.m. The business of the House shall be interrupted between 2.30 p.m. and 3.15 p.m. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: In the context of how the business of the House is organised, taking all Stages of the Social Welfare and Pensions Bill is unacceptable. The Second Stage debate should take place and Members should then be given an opportunity to consider the important issues contemplated in the Bill, particularly in light of the report published by the ESRI this morning, before tabling amendments. I spoke yesterday about the need for a Government strategy to increase our competitiveness and for a debate on job protection, job creation and retraining. In light of the ESRI report that was published this morning, we need a debate because the implications of the current situation are very serious for every man, woman and child in the country. The appalling mismanagement by the current Taoiseach when he was Minister for Finance has left no room for a stimulus package so the Government is trying to tax its way out of the recession, offering little scope to employers, as the ESRI report states. Our jobless figure will reach 500,000 by the end of next year, affecting every family in the country, with 300,000 jobs being lost before the end of next year. The rate of unemployment will average 17%, with living standards falling by 15% in comparison to 2007. Economic output will shrink by 10% this year and an additional \1.3 billion of tax receipts will be lost this year. We must face up to the fact that national mismanagement has put us in a position where we have no flexibility. There has been no apology from the Taoiseach. He presided over this as Minister for Finance and is now presiding over it as Taoiseach. The people are looking for a plan that will offer some hope, a plan for training and education and that must be communi- cated. Where is the plan to help the thousands of people signing on the dole? It must come from the Government. What will happen to those claiming social welfare? We must give them some hope and reach out with a proper training programme that is designed to match the future needs of the economy. Proper training must be put in place to give people hope. We should be debating these issues today. Senator Joe O’Toole: I fully support the points made by Senator Fitzgerald. We asked the Leader for a debate on the economy and the issues in the IMF report last week, and he agreed to find time for it. The Government did not accept the report, which is fair enough, but we should hear all the arguments. A week later we have not discussed it. We now have an ESRI report, which is absolutely shocking. It predicts dole queues growing to 18%, the worst we have ever experienced, and we are being denied the opportunity to discuss it. It is extraordinary that it has taken Private Members’ time from Fine Gael to get an opportunity to discuss NAMA. It is as if the Government is trying to censor debate in the Houses. These issues are all over the radio and the newspapers and they are confronting people in their workplaces. They are discussed at trade union meetings, management meetings and business meetings. Everyone is focusing on them except us. I suggest that, if Ministers do not want to face questioning on these issues, the Government send in their newly appointed econ- 76 Order of 29 April 2009. Business omist from University College Galway so he can explain what is going on. I would like to hear a Government viewpoint and the opportunity to ask a few questions. We are denying the reality of what is happening at a time when there is little or no confidence in the political system and the political classes are held in their lowest ever level of public regard. We should be seen to be grappling with the issues of concern to ordinary people who are looking at their mortgage payments and keeping their jobs and facing the prospect of living on the dole. I appeal to the Leader to give us an opportunity to discuss this matter. I understood the other leaders had agreed to take the Social Welfare and Pensions Bill all day today so I did not object to it, but I certainly agree the Bill is too big to take in one day and there is no reason that it cannot be concluded tomorrow. The time for Committee and Remaining Stages should be put aside and we should have a debate on the economy this evening. I propose an amendment to the Order of Business that there be a discussion on the economy to encompass the IMF report, the ESRI report and related matters. Senator Alex White: I second that proposed amendment. My colleagues are absolutely right about the need for a debate on these issues. Senator O’Toole, when he was speculating about whether the problem is that the Government is trying to censor debate, may be right, but it is more likely that the Government does not know what it would say if such a debate took place. It manifestly has no plan and no basis for hope. That is the problem. It could outline that there will be pain, which we all know must be bourne, but it could also present the possible gains. That should be a part of the role of politics and leadership. People need to take pain for the reasons referred to by Senator Fitzgerald because of economic mismanagement and there is also the international context, but there must be hope that there will be gain in the future. The Government appears incapable or paralysed in some way. It has been unable to articu- late any sense of hope for the future. It is riven with division and paralysed in terms of policy or offering leadership. That is why there has been no debate in this House. I do not expect we will have such a debate.
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