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Seanad E´Ireann Vol. 188 Tuesday, No. 16 26 February 2008 DI´OSPO´ IREACHTAI´ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD E´ IREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIU´ IL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Tuesday, 26 February 2008. Business of Seanad ………………………………1161 Order of Business …………………………………1161 Council Framework Decision: Motion …………………………1183 Criminal Law (Human Trafficking) Bill 2007: Committee Stage ………………1183 Adjournment Matters Schools Building Projects ……………………………1239 State Property ………………………………1241 1161 1162 SEANAD E´ IREANN I am sure Members will join with me in extending condolences to the family of the young ———— Polish man who was horrifically murdered in Dublin at the weekend. His death raises ques- De´ Ma´irt, 26 Feabhra 2008. tions regarding the number of unprovoked Tuesday, 26 February 2008. assaults taking place and the level of disorder on our streets. We have a national strategy on drugs ———— but we do not have a proper national policy on alcohol. A number of task force reports have Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar been submitted but there has been no response 2.30 p.m. from the Minister in the context of outlining a comprehensive national policy on alcohol. The ———— Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform referred to examining the position in respect of Paidir. the number of off-licences and perhaps introduc- Prayer. ing some changes. What we need, however, is a comprehensive approach to integrate the drugs ———— strategy with a similar strategy on alcohol. I ask the Leader to arrange a debate on the Business of Seanad. need to introduce a proper national policy on An Cathaoirleach: I have received notice from alcohol. We have avoided this matter for some Senator Paschal Donohoe that, on the motion for time and there has been a great deal of strong the Adjournment of the House today, he pro- lobbying in respect of it. Change has been poses to raise the following matter: avoided but this can no longer be the case. We The need for the Minister for Education and must give serious consideration to the type of Science to make a statement on the current national policy we wish to introduce. conditions of and future plans for Gaelscoil By publishing advertisements in today’s news- Bharra, Cabra, Dublin 7, in particular ensuring papers, the HSE has shown that it expects the the school yard, which is flooded on a regular dispute involving pharmacists to continue. It basis, is resurfaced and four classrooms, which appears that it will be a head-to-head affair, with are currently rented and in a dreadful con- no negotiation. The Minister for Health and Chil- dition, are replaced. dren will not be coming before the House this week to debate the matter because, again, it is I have also received notice from Senator Paul not listed on the Order Paper. I regret the lack of Coghlan of the following matter: political debate in the House on this topic, The need for the Minister for the Envir- despite the number of requests made by onment, Heritage and Local Government to Members in recent weeks. It seems there is no address the seriously deteriorating situation of political accountability or responsibility in respect Killarney House and to clarify his plans for its of this matter. The HSE has been left to do the future. work and has caused a crisis. I hope the Leader will be able to inform the House that discussions I regard the matters raised as suitable for dis- will take place between the pharmacists and the cussion on the Adjournment and they will be HSE before the 1 March deadline. taken at the conclusion of business. Eamon Timmons from Age Action Ireland referred last night to the representations being Order of Business. made to him by elderly people who are concerned Senator Donie Cassidy: The Order of Business that they will not be able to have their prescrip- is No. 1, motion re the Council framework tions filled. The last thing we want is rural phar- decision on combating certain forms and macies closing down and people becoming dis- expressions of racism and xenophobia; and No. 2, tressed about whether they will be in a position Criminal Law (Human Trafficking) Bill, 2007 — to obtain their medication. Perhaps the Leader Committee Stage. No. 1 will be taken, without will indicate whether he received a positive debate, on the conclusion of the Order of Busi- response from the Minister for Health and Chil- ness and No. 2 will be taken on the conclusion of dren regarding our requests for her to come No. 1. before the House to debate this matter prior to the 1 March deadline. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: A number of Members were disappointed when the debate on Senator Joe O’Toole: Will the Leader consider special educational needs concluded last week arranging a debate on the annual report of the because they did not have an opportunity to con- National Competitiveness Council, particularly as tribute. Perhaps the Leader might ask the Mini- the House has discussed the council’s previous ster to return to the House for a further debate reports? I requested on a prior occasion that we on this important topic in order that everyone debate the report because it brings to light certain might have their say. issues. At this time of the year, when people are 1163 Order of 26 February 2008. Business 1164 [Senator Joe O’Toole.] These two issues cause concern for me because involved in negotiations relating to national wage of political accountability, what we intended the agreements, there is much discussion regarding HSE to do and our relationship with the execu- labour costs, etc. The report to which I refer is an tive. I would like a discussion on the matter. eye-opener in the context of what really costs in this country. If one examines the areas in which Senator Alex White: I ask the Leader to invite unit costs are highest in international terms, one the Minister for Transport to the House for a can see that it is not a matter of labour costs debate on the proposals of the consultation docu- because we can supply labour quite cheaply. It is ment he has published in respect of public trans- interesting but hardly surprising that the report port and transport strategies. I am particularly indicates that the two highest unit costs in Ireland interested in Dublin city but it is clearly a are the cost per hour for the services of a lawyer national question and a crisis that affects the and the cost of mobile telephone calls. When put entire country. in the context of all the discussions we have had It is commendable that the consultation docu- over the years about rationalising telecoms and ment appears to finally grasp the nettle in selling off Eircom to make it more competitive seriously encouraging alternatives to the car and and allow for cheaper prices, it is a joke that we private motor transport. The difficulty is that are now the highest in the world in terms of the although the document is to be welcomed, it is a costs of mobile calls for people setting up busi- consultation document. We have reached the ness here. We are also the second highest in inter- stage in our development where we have had a national comparisons in terms of the cost of water great deal of consultation. As welcome as this is, and waste. It is important that we make known we have had plenty of it. What we now seek and our views on these issues and are aware of items what is required is action. and services that are expensive. It demonstrates I saw a survey from my own area around where changes have taken place. For example, Rathfarnham and Terenure recently which indi- insurance costs have improved over the years, cated that more than 90% of children in some through political force more than anything else. primary schools are driven there. That is an extra- I have not been in the habit of making com- ordinary figure for children living in the suburbs. plaints about the HSE because plenty of other It is almost unheard of now for children to cycle people have been doing so. I am interested, to school and few walk there. This is the sort of however, in the way it does its business and two challenge with which we are dealing and the issues concerning the HSE that arose in the past Minister is right to put the subject out for dis- week are of serious concern to me as a public cussion. I would like a debate in this House, representative. I hope this concern will be shared where the Minister could indicate his opinion and by others. the rest of us could put forward our proposals for In one case, the HSE has pulled its advertising concrete action to deal with this challenge, rather from a radio station which had the cheek and than simply having a further level of consultation. audacity to follow it up on issues where the One important aspect of this issue is the ques- station felt the HSE was not giving a proper tion of the metro and the Luas. For example, service. Rightly or wrongly, a radio station which there is a major question mark over the capacity has been following up on issues with the HSE, of the current Luas line to Sandyford at this stage, which is what the media is there to do, has had as trams are full at peak hours and throughout advertising pulled. I would like to hear someone the day.
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