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THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY [English] AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAO): We don't want to press that the Railway MR. SPEAKER: Please. let me formu- Minister should give his reply now itself. late my views. .. MR. SPEAKER: Let us do one thing. You ~e making a statement against an Now, we will have our regular unlisted busi- authority which is mentioned in the Constitu- ness upto 1 0' clock. Then, we wi" raise for tion. You are making that statement on the lunch and at 2 0' clock, he will reply. basis of the newspaper report. I would like to ask you whether you authenticate that. [Translation) SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf- SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Mr. farpur): May I make a submission, Sir? 'Speaker, Sir, we have given a notice on the misuse of National Security Guards as has [ Trans/ation] also appeared in tOOay's Newspapers that the motorcade of our ·Chief Election Com- I had given a notice about it and had missioner, Shri shashen was not given pas- said that ... sage by a vehicle. So Shri Shashen overtook that vehicle, stopped it and asked his Guards [English] to shoot him. But when they did not do so, Shri Sheshan Abused them. When the offi- MR. SPEAKER: Are you going to au- cers of National Security Guards came to thenticate that? see him they were kept waiting for more than two hours. We have given notice of impeach- [ Translation] ment motion against him which is pending with you. SHRIGEORGEFERNANDES:Weare ready to authenticate it since I came to know It is another matter whether the remains about It five to seven days earlier. Many on his post or not but the National Security people came to me and tole me that such an Guards should be withdrawn from him. incident has taken place, the Government Otherwise it may happen that some times if has Its report but it is not doing anything. I we go to see him, he may order his guards tried to collect the information in my own to shoot us. Therefore, it should be taken . way, just then U.N.I., which is a responsible seriously. (Interruptions) agency criculated it.

SHRI SHARAD YADAV (Madhepura): MR. SPEAKER: Please say what you ··Bring an impeachment motion against him want to say. (Interruptions)·· [Eng/ish] MR. SPEAKER: You are speaking against a Constitutional authority. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I stand (Interruptions) by every word that I will speak here.

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Do not put this responsibility on me ~ is another matter, I am not raising the unncecssanily. issue before you to impeach the constttutional authority. Can anyone, who may have any SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: The law constitutional authority, ask the police to fire was passed in this House that if the Prime at a person, who had not given passage to Minister of the country commits some crime, his car to overtack I would like to submit to he will not be considered a culprit but this law the han. Home Minister that an F.I.A. should was withdrawn in this House and it was said be lodged against Mr. Sheshan at the police that according to the Constitution of the station. He should also be subjected to the country everyone is equal before the law. If law of the country. It should not be allowed he is holding a responsible post then it is his that if one has become a reputed person, a responsibility to maintain the dignity of that big Minister or an officer then he will be post. But the cannot violate the laws. The above the law of the land. I would like to constitution does not say so. My submission submit to the han. Home Minister through is that the han. Home Minister should be you that the F .I.A. should be lodged since I summoned. Take action against him. The know that he has the report with him. If he N.S.G. pmvided to him should be withdrawn has not lodged the F.I.R. then please let us and the order for the cancelation of his arm know when are you going to do so,. Mr. licence should be issued. Speaker Sir, my submission to you is thatthe one who does not abide by the laws enacted [English] underthe Constitution of the country, whether he is rich or poor or a big officer enjoying SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (Hooghly): Mr. constitutional position should not be spared. Speaker, Sir, your attention must have been drawn to a very serious matter which in- [English] volves the honour and dignity 01 a large number of Members of this House as also of MA. SPEAKER: Now, You are going this august House itself. Well-know English too far. I cannot ask anybody to file cam- daily published from Delhi and Calcutta in a plaints with or knowing the facts. column titled 'As I see it'. the author of it has. made very very derogatory remarks about a [Trans/ation] large number of Members of this House who were present on the day of the presentation SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: They of the Budget, that is, on 29 February. have the facts, let them say that these are wrong. My submission to you is that... The Members of this august House have been described as 'A mob of howling hooli- [English] gans'. "He has made some other remards also like 'It was a disgraceful show of indis- MA. SPEAKER: I do not know that. :::ipline and hooliganism on the part of the Communists and their allies and the illegal SHRI SRIKANTA JENA (Cuttack): Let purposes they have been serving in the the Home Minister come with a statement name of socialism, etc." that it is wrong. I think, Sir, as many others do think, that MR. SPEAKER: That is adifferentthing. this has caused immense damage to the 745 Written Answers PHALGUNA 27,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 746 honour and dignity of a large number of so that Government views are known. It will Members of this House as also the House dispel all the doubts and a true picture will itself. come before the nation. It may not sound a good proposition to you. It seems, the above remarks were delib- erately mede with the purpose to malign the MR. SPEAKER: There are certain Members and show disrespect to the Mem- constitutional posts and if any action is to be bers and the House. We are double shocked taken against the incumbents of these posts to see that the author is a former Member of a specify procedure has to be followed. If the this House and he was the Leader of the incumbent has done any thing in his spcific Swatantra Party we know his perceptions unofficial capacity then he can be tried a and his views. His consistent/rabid anti- court and there is an investigating agency to communism and anti-people's are all known. go into it. Despite this, if any member has But, Sir, such attempts to denigrate this raised any issue asseinting that whatever he institution and a large number of han. has read in the newspapers is correct, I have Members of this House amount to attack on not stopped him. It is my request that he the rights of the Members this House to should observers, certain restraint while freely and conscientiously discharge .. heir raising such issue such issues. You are free duties. to do anything. If something has been re- ported by the newspapers, Han. Members I would request you to kindly grant me can ascertaining its veracity from the Minis- leave to move my Privilege Motion and refer ter. But in this case it has not been done. the same to the Committee of Privileges. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: What- Thank you. ever issue we raised it was found correct......

MR. SPEAKER: I will look into it. MR. SPEAKER: I have not stopped you ...... SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (Uluberia): I have given a Privilege Notice. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Whatever issue we raised that was found correct. Shri MR. SPEAKER: I Shri Kh,mduri have Arjun Singhji and Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad ji received many Privilege Notices. are present in the House. we want to know only this much as to whatever has been [ Translation] reported by the press, does that not lower credibility of the Government? SHRI BHUWAN CHANDRA KHANDURI (Garhwal): Mr. Speaker, Sir ...... MR. SPEAKER: I have not stopped you from speaking. You have referred to every SHRI RABI RAY (Kendrapada): Mr. thing .... Speaker, Sir, I accept the Contention of Shri George Fernandes that Chief Election SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: I want to Commissioner enjoys a constitutional posi- say only this much that whatever ths ap- tion. I want that this should be made clear. peared in the press that lowers the dignoity Shri Arjun Singh and Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad attached to the post. Therefore, we should are present in the House. Therefore, I re- . maintain the dignity of the post. Government quest that Government should made a state- should come out with a statement about this ment on it before the House rises for the day incident involving Sheshan? 747 Wmten Answers MARCH 17, 1992 Wmten AnswetS 748 [English] should write to him because he is also a former member of this House. No least, you SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Sir, should write to him and ascertain; its authen- how can we function if we are described as ticity. hooligans? Do you not feel shocked? I would like to know how other hon. Members react MR. SPEAKER: I am going to say to that (inte111.f'lions) something. Shri Chandra Shekhar has asked me to comment. I will comment. (Interrup- I would like to know how the Govern- tions] ment would like to react to this ? Do you like that we should be described as hooligans. If SHRIINDERJIT (Darjeeling): I think it is it is permitted, then it will be used every day. not only a serious but very grave matter; and (lntemptions] I do think that this House ought, in all serious- ness, to go into the matter; and if there is a SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY breach of privilege, then appropriate action (Katwa): It is a breach of privilege; it should ought to be taken; and I support this demand be immediately sent to the Committee of . (Interruptions) Privileges. (/ntemptions] SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): !think it SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR (Ballia): is clear that The Statesman has published The point raised by the hon. Members is too that. The author of the column has deliber- serious. At least, it deserves your comment ately. knowingly, made this remark to deni- because whoever he may be, if he describes grate this House. This constitutes a con- members of Parliament as hooligans, and a tempt of the House and a breach of privilege. newspaper, howsoever reputed it may be, Therefore, it is clear case for referring the published this, does it not deserve you matter to the Committee of Privileges. comment on this? SHRI SUDARSAN RAYCHAUDHURI MR. SPEAKER: I Will . (Serampore): This is a serous matter.

SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR: This is MR. SPEAKER: You take your seat. the most irresponsible statement could have been made by any Member in any newspa- SHRI SUDARSAN RA YCHAUDHURI: per; and if this practice goes on, I do not You will recall that Mr. V.P. Singh. Mr. know how the dignity of this House can be Somnath Chatterjee and several other Lead- . maintained. This matter cannot be just a ers have spoken with your permission be- matter to be mentioned and ignored. Either fore the Finance Minister, in fact, starts you might refer the matter immediately to the making his speech. These esteemed Lead- Committee of Privileges or condemn the ers belonging to Opposition and different . Writer, reprimand the paper; something parties belonging to National Front and Left• should be done; it cannot be waited for time they have expressed their veiws. Are they to come to take up this matter for considera- hooligans? The matter is too serious. What tion. pains me most is that this is coming from one person who is an ex-Member of ParHament SHRI CHANDRA JEET YAOAV . He must be knowing what is a breach of (Azamgarh): It was an article; it is not a new privilege. item it is singned article. And there fore the minimum which you should do is·that you SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE 749 Wn1ten AnswelS PHAlGUNA 27,1913 (SAKA) Wrirten AnSwelS 750

(panskura): You were kind enough to media but even in Parliament, the Govern- nominate me in the Press Council of India. ment will come forth with a clarification as to All kinds of such things are coming. We what are the facts. And then, it would be up cannot really do any work because there to you to decide what to do about it. cannot be any guidelines; nothing is taken up by anybody really of the newspaper. So far as the second matter is con- cerned, it certainly is surprising that any language which condemns Members of Now, if this is allowed to be said about the Parliament as whole should be used in a parliamentarians and that too about someof newspaper. But it is a matter about which if the talle. leaders, I do not know how the the Member concerned who has seen it, Press Council of India will ever function. because only a small portion was read out Unless you take this cause up and protect and I do not know about it, and a reference the rights of the Members here first, to begin was made to a newspaper, if a new notice of with, these newpapers will not understand privilege has been given, I am sure that you that they have to obey somebody to be will consider it. objective. I do recall that both in the Indian Parlia- SHRllAL K ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): ment as well as in the House of Comons very Two issues have been raised. In respect of often extreme epithets are used about the first issue, which relates to the news members and about Parliament which Par- item, which appeared in this morning's pa- liament has found it necessary to ignore, and per, and I believe it must have been ap- thought it better to ignore. It all depends peared in all papers, because it has been upon the precise case, in what context a circulated by news agancies, I think that in certain word has been used. I can recall SO such a situation, it is the Government's duty many epithets that have be8n used about to ascertain the veracity of that report or not; _ Parliament which always Parliament as a and immediately to come out with clarifica- whole said, "We will ignore it-. tion or a contradiction, it that is not true; because, after all, the person concerned, as It was in the other House, only thre or you have said, has certain constitutional four years back, when I remember that the protection because of which we cannot raise Charimen gave a ruling that ..hough these the matter ordinarily in the House. And there- words used are extremely offensive but it fore, it is all the more incumbent on the would contribute to the dignity of Parliament, Government to ascertain the facts because if we ignore it altogether. - It is a matter about it relates to NSG, it relates to something which you have to take a decision. which is underthe control of the Government of India, the Home Ministry. It is not merely SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: He is the question of the of the Chief Election not a toddler. He realises the importance of Comissioner about whom, no doubt you the words he has used. gave the rifght guidance to everyone that . that matter should not be raised, but in so far SHRI LAl K. ADVANI; I do not now. as a news item relating to NSG and a news item which relates to a person who cannot SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Shri even defend himself is concerned, it is the Minoo Masani is not just a toddler. Government's duty to come out with the facts. Therefore, I believe that now that this SHRI LAL K. ADVANI: Ohl Shri Minco matter has been. raised not merely in the masani! 751 Written Answers MARCH 17.1992 Written Answers 752

Then I leave it to you to take a proper Editor should be called and asked to give an decision because I have not read that article explanation. which was just quoted. MR. SPEAKER: he is an old man. [Ttallslation] DR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA: It should SHRI MOHAN SINGH (Deoria): Mr. be treated as a breach of privilege of the Speaker. Sir. It is worth mentioning that the entire House. (Interruptions) person who has used such a language had been a member of this House ... (lntenvp- AN HON. MEMBER: I armftheviewthat tions) you should throw more light on us. (Interrup- tions)

SHRI ATAl BIHARI VAJPAYEE [TtaIIslation] (lucknow): I too have not read the article by Minoo Masani. but he had been a member of SHRt NITISH KUMAR (Barh): Mr. this House with me and he very well knew to Speaker. Sir. this article has been written by abide by the rulesofihis House. Now he has Shri Minoo masani who was a great freedom grown old and is now no more a member of fighter and who also contnbuted in the for- this House. Now when he assesses this mation of this institution known as Parlia- House from a distance he might have written ment. So I agree with Shri Atal Bihari Vajpay- something which he s!lould not have written. eeji that it should be ignored when some- But we should just overlook it for the simple thing has been written by a great reason that it has been written by Minoo man ... (Interruptions) masani. (Interruptions) [English] [English]

SHRIINDERJIT: (Darjeeling): I am on a SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Hthis point of information. many years ago one is repeated by somebody else win that be newspaper in Bombay had used an expres- ignored then also? Therefore. this is a ques- sion 'loony' against Acharya Kriplani. An tion of an attitude of mind. how the Parlia- issue of privilege was raised on the word ment is to be treated. how the Members' 'loony' and the Editor was summoned to the interventions are to be descrbed. H some- Bar of the House and reprimanded. And I do body has any objection. certainly he is en- think that it is a grave matter calling a whole titled to say. On a question. the points raised Hou~ as ·HowIing hooligans· and even if it by us. anybody can say that the points are comes from Shri Minoa Masani. I think there irrelevant points. But to say that we are ought to be some kind of a reprimand. even howling hooligan and Sir. the distinguished if it is a mild reprimand. Members of Parliament say that this is justto be ignored because somebody was here is DR. KARTIKESWAR PATRA not correct. I take it much more important (BaI88Ore): Mr. Speaker. this is really a seri- and much more serious because it is from a ous matter on that word we have discussed gentlemen who was a Member of the House and we are seriously feeling that this should and who has a command over the language. be treated seriously and you should give He knows English very well. He deliberately your decision whether it involves a breach of has used them only to malign us because of privilege. If it is breach of privilege then the his political convictions ... (Interruptions) 753 Written Answers PHAlGUNA 27,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 754

MR. SPEAKER: I should be allowed to written it or whether there is some kind of say something. mistake in reporting and all those things. This is one aspect of it. SHRI Bll.SU DEB ACHARIA (Bankura): This should not be ignored. He has deliber- On the one hand we respect the person- ately written this ... (/nterruptions) ality and on the other hand we expect the author to be little more kind to the younger MR. SPEAKER: I think, the Speaker Members of Parliament in the House and should oot speak. But the Speaker is com- carefully use the words and things like that. pelled to speak in some cases. When we have the elders, they some times feel that they have an authority to say a few (/nt9rruptions) things against others and things like that.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: You I know that there have been cases in the protect the dignity of the House. House of Commons and here also in which harsher words, harsher phrases and harsher MR. SPEAKER: Some times, I think, expressions have been used... (/nt9rrU(J- the Speaker should also speak to see that tions) the feelings are assuaged and supposing if there is any misconception, it is dispelled. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Sir, Well, I have received notone notice of privi- . are you not feeling disturbed? lege, but many notices given by many Members exactly on this point. H one reads MR. SPEAKER: I have not completed the notice and one reads the newspaper the my remarks, Mr. Somnathji. Probably you words are very clear and' one can form any had understood what I was trying to convey. opinion. The only thing is that in such !flat- I cannot use the harsher language than what ters, we generally ask the concerned person I am using today. to explain what he has to say and receive his explanation and then we take a decision. (Interruptions) Now, the notices are with me. The hon. Members had come to me and they insisted SHRI INDER JIT: Please do so that they will raise this issue on the floor of eXplicitly ... (Interruptions) the House. I said, it is better that you give me some time, But they have said that they will MR. SPEAKER: That means, you are raise it and they have raised it. I think, not understanding what I am saying. everybody has spoken with restraint and responsibility. Nobody has to be blamed for Well, there are two aspects. I am saying raising such a matter on the floor of the that there were cases which were decided by House. And rightly I am also asked to say the Parliament as well as the House of something in the matter. Commons, in which harsher expressions have not been taken note of. I am not saying As we all know, the author of this article that we should not take note of and I am not is a very respectable person. He had been a saying that I am not going to take note of. The Member of the House and a knowledgeable only thing I am saying is that I have received person and a person who can use the lan- the notices. I will just find out from him, what guage in a very deft manner. And yet the he has said and all those things. But then I words have appeared in this. The only thing would like you to keep this entire notice is the is that we should know whether he has clear perspective and form a correct opinion 755 Wnlten AnsINIS MARCH 17,1992 Wnlten AnswelS 7S6 about this issue. To what extent it should be SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: They stretched, should be decided by an of us. , should not have been used. (lntenuptlons) am not saying that this is wrong. The Mem- bers have done nothing wrong in bringing the notice. 'am not ~ing that this can be SHRI JASWANT SINGH (Chittorgarh): easily neglected. At the same time' am also Mr. Speaker, Sir, while we are in the process not forgetting that harsher expressions have . of tidying up and as you so admirably tidied not been taken note of. Here is a balance up two contentious issues, may I-for your which I have to strike and , win try to strike the consideration-submit that since last week an balance. , would have rather kept quiet unfortunate and unhappy controversy relat- myself... I should have kept quiet myself and ing to the office of the Chief of Army Staff and given .. . statements attributed to him, as reported by newspapers, has also been seizing the at- ( Intenuptlons) tention both of this House. and also of the newspapers. I do believe that a situation has MR. SPEAKER: Please do not stretch arisen in the oountry where we have to this issue, Now, on the second issue' am not reflect very deeply and as my senior col- rejecting and I am not accepting. , am just league Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, while inter- going to examine it. 'will take an appropriate vening in the discussion on the debate on the decision. I. will consuH the Members also and Motion of Thanks for the President's Ad- ask the Members also On the first issue, the dress had said that when the office of the Members have expressed their views. The Head of the Republic is malaigned by all Government side was here. If they have kinds of demonstrations, when a Justice of anything to say they can do it. If they do not the Supreme Court is under impeachment have anything to say, , am not going to ask proceedings, when the high office of the them to do anything. Chief Election Commissioner is brought into controversy, it is really unfortunate that the (/ntenuptlons) office of the Chief of Army Staff should also become surrounded by the controversy. I MR. SPEAKER: Shri Somnathji,l will go am not going into the personality. I am con- by your advice. cerned with maintaining the offbt of Chief of Army Staff beyond oontroversy. I do believe ( Intenuptlons) and I agree that whereas restraint is nea:s- sary in what we say inside the House about SHR' SOMNAHT CHATTERJEE: We various functionaries of the Republic, equally, are prepared not to pursue the on that matter restraint is necessary by the functionaries provided that there is an ~servation from themselves also. This is self-evident. This the Chairthatthose words are most unfortu- goes without saying. When that office is an nate and should not have been office of high responsibility. restraint ought to used.(lntenvptions) ... be an integral of that responsibility. Such is the view that I have had occasion to discuss MR. SPEAKER: Certainly. Well, I can with my friend and colleague Shri George understand that we do respect our elders. Fernandes who had raised this issue earfier. We do want to go by their guidance and I would appeal to you-and through you to the sometimes they are angry also. But, even if House-that let this controversy attending on they are angry and used such words, if the the office of the Chief of Army Staff be words are unfortunate, the words are unfor- finished here and now in this House and no tunate. further need be said aoout it. That would be 757 Wni'ten Anstwts . PHALGUNA 27,1913 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 758 my appeal to you. I am glven·to understand [ Translation) that .•. (Int~ SHRI RAM VIlAS PASWAN: We will SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: Sir, it decide this, when the clarification comes is a serious malter. Government have said after the statement (/nt9rruptions) that they win come ~ a statement. (/nt9r- flIptions) The House has decided and the [English1 Government have committed that the De- fence Minister will make a statement. Until SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: After that is done we cannot just finish this issue the statement of the Defence Minister. We here. (int9mJPlions) do not want to bring any person into contro- versy, but if a responsible person takes a [ Translation) stand or makes a public statement on certain important policy deviating from issues well SHRI RAM VIlAS PASWAN: The state- established superiority 01 the civil authority ment of Shri Krishna Kumar has come today. in this country is well established. The Parlia- The hon. Member should make a statement ment in this country is our highest national here. We will consider it only after a state- forum we cannot allow such things to go ment is made by the hon. Minister (/nt9mlp- unnoticed. Therefore, let the Defence Minis- tions) ter come and make the statement then we will decide the next step. [English] MR. SPEAKER: He has said, 'yes'. SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV: The Government should come and explain. SHRIINDER JIT: Sir, we on this side of Nobody wants that the matter should be the House are equally concerned and we are finished unless and until the Government equally clear, Sir, that the supremacy 01 the make a statement. Let the Defence Minister civil authority must be affirmed, and I do think come and make a statement. (/nt9rruptions) that we should all wait for the Defe~ min- ister's statement and then decide what is to MR. SPEAKER: Somnathji, I wilt allow be done. you. Let me tell you that I have received the letter from the Defence Minister. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Mr. Speaker, Sir, nobody can question the very SHRI JASWANl' SINGH: My submis- significant role and patriotic role played by or sion was precisely this. My friends and col- Army. There is no question about that and leagues were a bit impatient. I did wish to say we deeply appreciate the contribution al- that when I was not here because we had our ways made by the Army in defending our party fUndion, you had directed the Govern· country, in defending our integrity and our ment and the Government had come for· security. Unfortunately, Sir, these days the ward and said that they will issue a clarifica- conduct of some of the high officials and tion, they win CQme to the House and clarify some high personalities is coming into ques- the situation. let the clarification be provided tion. We do not want necessarily to bring and with that clarification-my appeal is this- those personalities into any dispute, but let the matter finally be resolved. We cannot certain things are happening which should have every office of the Republic being in- better be avoided. Certain things are being volved in a controversy which we can avoid. said, certain things are being done, which I That is all I wish to say. am sure, on proper reflection those persons 759 Written Answers MARCH 17,1992 Written Answers 760 themselves will feel, should not have been Important issues; on the other hand they indulged in. understand that beyond a certain limit we have not to go. 1have received the letterfrom Sir, so far as the present matter with the Defence Minister asking permission to regard to the Chief of Army Staff is con- make a statement, I have allowed him to cemed, we do not want to keep it continuing, , make the statement at 3.00 p.m., and I am we also wantto put it at rest. This is a matter, sure, after that it may not be necessary to 1 am sure, on which that gentleman himself have any discussion and that is not the rule will refl9ct. I had a meeting with the Defence also. We know that our Army officers have Minister, he had requested us to see him, been doing a splendid job for the country. On and he had promised to make a statement the one hand we appreciate that and on the on this. I am- sure, on that we can pit. the other hand we have put the things in a very matter at rest. correct perspective and I am sure that with this it will end, Today, we have dealt with Sir, once more I wish to record that sensitive issues in a manner which will bring against the Army as such we have nothing to appreciation. say, against the Chief of Army Staff per $9 we have nothing to say, but if something has SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: We been said, let the Government clarity it and are not always hooligans. 1 am sure the matter will be put an end to. [ Translation] SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR: I agree SHRI BHUWAN CHANDRA KHAN- with the han. Members that there should be DURI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to submit some statement from the Defence Minister. to the hon. Minister of Communications, But Iam inclined to agree with my friend, Shri through you that a postal-stamp should bt, Jaswant Singh, thatthis matter should not be issued in the memory of late Hemwati Nan- pursued after the Statement of the Defence dan Bahuguna. Today is his third death Minister because the Defence Minister is anniversary , considered to be resPonsible enough to see ~at the supremacy of the Civil authority is Late Hemwati Nandan Bahuguna was a maintained. I know this officer, I shall be great freedom tighter, an able politician and failing in my duty if I don't say that he is a very a social worker. H. was bom on 25th April, able and conscientious officer, I do not know 1919 in a farmers family in Garhwal district. under what circumstances he made this He was sent to jail during freedom struggl, statement. My only request will be that mat- while he was receiving Primary education, ters of this sensitive nature should not be He actively participated in the Ouit India debated in the Parliament, otherwise it will Movement in the year 1942 and was sent to, have a very bad reflection. jail for years together and was subjected 16, various types of torture Md becoming victim 1 agree with my friend, Shri Samnath of many diseases yet from within the jail itself Chatterjee, that Mr. Defence Minister should he provided Je~hip to various student talk to him, make a statement and after that organisations, labour' organisations and statement the matter should be consid"fred unions. As an able poIiticiet'lte did organisa- closed. tional work on dlU.rent posts of Centre and State Committ'" 'd Indian ~al Con- MR. SPEAKER: Well, I am very sure 01 gress. H. was Minister In the Qentral Gov- the sagacity and WIsdom of the han. Mem- emment in ~he'lmpottant dcipWtments like bers, ()A aae ... MOO they raised some Communications, Petroleum, Finance and