741 Wrirten MswslS PHAlGUNA 27,1913 (SAKA) Wrilf9IJ Answets 742 THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY [English] AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAO): We don't want to press that the Railway MR. SPEAKER: Please. let me formu- Minister should give his reply now itself. late my views. .. MR. SPEAKER: Let us do one thing. You ~e making a statement against an Now, we will have our regular unlisted busi- authority which is mentioned in the Constitu- ness upto 1 0' clock. Then, we wi" raise for tion. You are making that statement on the lunch and at 2 0' clock, he will reply. basis of the newspaper report. I would like to ask you whether you authenticate that. [Translation) SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES (Muzaf- SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Mr. farpur): May I make a submission, Sir? 'Speaker, Sir, we have given a notice on the misuse of National Security Guards as has [ Trans/ation] also appeared in tOOay's Newspapers that the motorcade of our ·Chief Election Com- I had given a notice about it and had missioner, Shri shashen was not given pas- said that ... sage by a vehicle. So Shri Shashen overtook that vehicle, stopped it and asked his Guards [English] to shoot him. But when they did not do so, Shri Sheshan Abused them. When the offi- MR. SPEAKER: Are you going to au- cers of National Security Guards came to thenticate that? see him they were kept waiting for more than two hours. We have given notice of impeach- [ Translation] ment motion against him which is pending with you. SHRIGEORGEFERNANDES:Weare ready to authenticate it since I came to know It is another matter whether the remains about It five to seven days earlier. Many on his post or not but the National Security people came to me and tole me that such an Guards should be withdrawn from him. incident has taken place, the Government Otherwise it may happen that some times if has Its report but it is not doing anything. I we go to see him, he may order his guards tried to collect the information in my own to shoot us. Therefore, it should be taken . way, just then U.N.I., which is a responsible seriously. (Interruptions) agency criculated it. SHRI SHARAD YADAV (Madhepura): MR. SPEAKER: Please say what you ··Bring an impeachment motion against him want to say. (Interruptions)·· [Eng/ish] MR. SPEAKER: You are speaking against a Constitutional authority. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: I stand (Interruptions) by every word that I will speak here. ··Not recorded. 743 Written Answers MARCH 17, 1992 Written Answers 744 [Trans/ation] [ Trans/ation] Do not put this responsibility on me ~ is another matter, I am not raising the unncecssanily. issue before you to impeach the constttutional authority. Can anyone, who may have any SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: The law constitutional authority, ask the police to fire was passed in this House that if the Prime at a person, who had not given passage to Minister of the country commits some crime, his car to overtack I would like to submit to he will not be considered a culprit but this law the han. Home Minister that an F.I.A. should was withdrawn in this House and it was said be lodged against Mr. Sheshan at the police that according to the Constitution of the station. He should also be subjected to the country everyone is equal before the law. If law of the country. It should not be allowed he is holding a responsible post then it is his that if one has become a reputed person, a responsibility to maintain the dignity of that big Minister or an officer then he will be post. But the cannot violate the laws. The above the law of the land. I would like to constitution does not say so. My submission submit to the han. Home Minister through is that the han. Home Minister should be you that the F .I.A. should be lodged since I summoned. Take action against him. The know that he has the report with him. If he N.S.G. pmvided to him should be withdrawn has not lodged the F.I.R. then please let us and the order for the cancelation of his arm know when are you going to do so,. Mr. licence should be issued. Speaker Sir, my submission to you is thatthe one who does not abide by the laws enacted [English] underthe Constitution of the country, whether he is rich or poor or a big officer enjoying SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (Hooghly): Mr. constitutional position should not be spared. Speaker, Sir, your attention must have been drawn to a very serious matter which in- [English] volves the honour and dignity 01 a large number of Members of this House as also of MA. SPEAKER: Now, You are going this august House itself. Well-know English too far. I cannot ask anybody to file cam- daily published from Delhi and Calcutta in a plaints with or knowing the facts. column titled 'As I see it'. the author of it has. made very very derogatory remarks about a [Trans/ation] large number of Members of this House who were present on the day of the presentation SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: They of the Budget, that is, on 29 February. have the facts, let them say that these are wrong. My submission to you is that... The Members of this august House have been described as 'A mob of howling hooli- [English] gans'. "He has made some other remards also like 'It was a disgraceful show of indis- MA. SPEAKER: I do not know that. :::ipline and hooliganism on the part of the Communists and their allies and the illegal SHRI SRIKANTA JENA (Cuttack): Let purposes they have been serving in the the Home Minister come with a statement name of socialism, etc." that it is wrong. I think, Sir, as many others do think, that MR. SPEAKER: That is adifferentthing. this has caused immense damage to the 745 Written Answers PHALGUNA 27,1913 (SAKA) Written Answers 746 honour and dignity of a large number of so that Government views are known. It will Members of this House as also the House dispel all the doubts and a true picture will itself. come before the nation. It may not sound a good proposition to you. It seems, the above remarks were delib- erately mede with the purpose to malign the MR. SPEAKER: There are certain Members and show disrespect to the Mem- constitutional posts and if any action is to be bers and the House. We are double shocked taken against the incumbents of these posts to see that the author is a former Member of a specify procedure has to be followed. If the this House and he was the Leader of the incumbent has done any thing in his spcific Swatantra Party we know his perceptions unofficial capacity then he can be tried a and his views. His consistent/rabid anti- court and there is an investigating agency to communism and anti-people's are all known. go into it. Despite this, if any member has But, Sir, such attempts to denigrate this raised any issue asseinting that whatever he institution and a large number of han. has read in the newspapers is correct, I have Members of this House amount to attack on not stopped him. It is my request that he the rights of the Members this House to should observers, certain restraint while freely and conscientiously discharge .. heir raising such issue such issues. You are free duties. to do anything. If something has been re- ported by the newspapers, Han. Members I would request you to kindly grant me can ascertaining its veracity from the Minis- leave to move my Privilege Motion and refer ter. But in this case it has not been done. the same to the Committee of Privileges. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: What- Thank you. ever issue we raised it was found correct.. .... MR. SPEAKER: I will look into it. MR. SPEAKER: I have not stopped you ..... SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (Uluberia): I have given a Privilege Notice. SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Whatever issue we raised that was found correct. Shri MR. SPEAKER: I Shri Kh,mduri have Arjun Singhji and Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad ji received many Privilege Notices. are present in the House. we want to know only this much as to whatever has been [ Translation] reported by the press, does that not lower credibility of the Government? SHRI BHUWAN CHANDRA KHANDURI (Garhwal): Mr. Speaker, Sir ..... MR. SPEAKER: I have not stopped you from speaking. You have referred to every SHRI RABI RAY (Kendrapada): Mr. thing .... Speaker, Sir, I accept the Contention of Shri George Fernandes that Chief Election SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: I want to Commissioner enjoys a constitutional posi- say only this much that whatever ths ap- tion. I want that this should be made clear. peared in the press that lowers the dignoity Shri Arjun Singh and Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad attached to the post. Therefore, we should are present in the House. Therefore, I re- . maintain the dignity of the post. Government quest that Government should made a state- should come out with a statement about this ment on it before the House rises for the day incident involving Sheshan? 747 Wmten Answers MARCH 17, 1992 Wmten AnswetS 748 [English] should write to him because he is also a former member of this House. No least, you SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Sir, should write to him and ascertain; its authen- how can we function if we are described as ticity.