LOK SABRA DEBATES (English Version)

Eiptb Selie., Vol. U. No.9 Friday, July 28, 1989 Sravana 6, 1911 (Saka)

Fourteenth Session (Eigbth Lok Sabba)

(Vol. Ll contains Nos. 1 to 10)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Price IRs. 6.00 [O"'GINAL BNouIH Pl.ocaolNOS lMCLUDIID IN BNOL1SII VDSlOR AMI) ORIGINAL HlNot PaOCBBDINGS INCLUDBD IN HINDI VDSION WILL • TREATED AS AUTHOaITATIVB.AND NOT TBI ftANSLAnON TIIBUOP.) CONTENTS

[Eighth Series, Vo/.LI. Fourteenth Session, 198911911 (Saka)]

No.9, Friday, 28 July, 19891Sravana 6, 1911 (Saka)

COLUMNS

Oral Answers to Questions: 1-52

• Starred Questions Nos. 166,169,171,172,181 and 165

Written Answers to Questions: 53-222

Starred Questions Nos. 1 74 to 176 and 178 to 180 53-57

Unstarred Questions Nos. 1628,1630.1633 to 1637, 57-222 1639.1640,1643 to 1645, 1648,1649,1652,1654 to 1659,1661,1663,1664,1666 to 1670, 1672 to 1675, 1677 to 1680, 1682 to 1687, 1689to 1694, 1696 to 1715 1723, 1728 to 1742,1745, 1750 to 1752, 1755 to 1763, 1767 to 1770, 1n3 to 1777, 1779 to 1781, 1783 to 1792, 1795 to 1800, 1804 to 1808, 181 0, 1811 , 181 6 to 181 9. 1822, 1823, 1827, 1831, 1832, 1834 to 1841, 1845, 1847 and 1851. Resignations by Members 223-230 361-362

Papers Laid on the Table 231-238

Committee on Petitions 238 Thirteenth Report - Presented

Joint Committee on Indian Medical Council (Amendment) Bill 239 Report and Evidence - Laid

Business of the House 239-245

.. The Sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii) CoLUMNS

Business Advisory Committee 245-246 Seventy-third Report - Adopted

Small Industries Development Bank of India Bill 246-312

Motion to consider

Shrimati Prabhawati Gupta 246-250

Shri Ashok Shankarrao Chavan 250-256

Shri Dal Chander Jain 256-258

Shrimati Basavarajeswan 258-263

Shri Chiranji Lal Sharma 263-267

Shri Asutosh Law 267-271

Shri Yogeshwar Prasad Yogesh 271-273

Dr. G.S. RaJhans 273-277

Shri N. Tombi Singh 277-280

Shri Brajamohan Mohanty 280-283

Shri A. Charles 283-287

Shri Nandlal Choudhary 287-288

Shri Shankar Lal 288-291

Shri Manikrao Hodlya Gavit 291-292

Shri Shanti Dhariwal 292-293

Shri Virdhi Chandr Jain 293-295

Shri Keyur Bhushan 295-297

Shri Eduardo Faleiro 297-311

Clauses 2 to 54 and 1 311-312

Motion to Pass

Shri Eduardo Faleiro 312 (Ill)

CoLUMNS High Court And Supreme Court Judges 312-315 (ConditIOns of ServICe) Amendment Bill

MotIOn to consider

Shn 8 Shankaranand 312-313

Shn AZlz Qureshi 313-315

Committee on Pnvate Members' Bill 315-316 and ResolutIOns Sixty-Seventh Report - adopted

Resolution Re Measures to Control Population Explosion 316-336

Shn Shantaram Nalk 316-320

Shn Raflque Alam 320-326

Dr Krupaslndhu Shol 326-336

Resolution Re Employment to one Member In each Family 336-360

Dr G S RaJhans 336-345

Shn Shantaram Nalk 345-349

Shn Snballav Panlgrahl 349-356

Shn Mahablr Prasad Yadav 256-360 LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA tions were held with the World Bank between 11 and 17 July, 1989 for a loan of $ 200 million for an Industrial T echnologv Devel- opment Project. However, the loan IS yet to Friday, July 28, 1989/Sravana 6, 1911 be approved by the Board of Directors of the (Saka) Bank.

DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI: Sir, I congratulate the hon. Minister that for The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock the industrial development of our country he is very much serious and vigilant. But may I [MR. SPEAKER in the Chai~ know the name of the countries from where the loans are to be obtained or technology is ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS to be imported and how rt will be used and when it will be used within the country? [ Translation] SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Sir, the World Bank Loan for Importing Tech- loan is not to be obtained from any particular nology and Capital Goods country. The loan is to be obtained from the World Bank. It is to the tune of $ 200 million, *166. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- as I have already mentioned. The purpose of PATHI: Will the Minister of FINANCE be this loan is to modernise our industries, to pleased to state: reduce costs and to increase efficiency. The purpose of the loan is in line with the purpose (a) whether deliberations are being of the loan that we generally obtain from held by Government for getting ioans from abroad i.e. to improve and strengthen our the World Bank in orderto import technology seij-reliance and strengthen our indigenous and capital goods; technology by improvement and upgradation. (b) if so, the amount 01 loans required therefor; DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI: Sir, keeping this in VIew, Government had (c) whether the World Bank has agreed introduced or established the scheme known to give loans; as the Technical Development Fund Scheme in 1976. The purpose was the same as the (d) rt so, the details thereof; and hon. Minister had distinctly clarified now. May I know that this particular Technical (e) rt not, the reasons therefor? Development Fund Scheme which was introduced in 1976 under certain provisions [English] had done a remarkable job as regards the development of industries and modernisation of the factories inside the country or not? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Secondly, I would like to know whether this DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS scheme has created any impediment in IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI importing technology from outside as well as EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (e). Negotia- obtaining loan from abroad. 3 Oral Answers JULY 28, 1989 Oral Answers 4

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We are at (a) the Central debt of all StateslUnion apreliminary stage in making any announce- Territories as on 1 April, 1989; ment about how the loan would be utilised before it is approved. However, we can say (b) the interest paid on the Central debt at this interim level that the loan is also by each of them during 1988-89 and esti- intended to fundthe Technical Development mated to be paid during 1989-90; Fund. (c) the total revenue receipt of each SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: We State Government, exclusive of Central loans have sat up the quantum of the loan. But I and grants, during 1988-89 and 1989-90; would like to know hom the han. Minister of and Finance, what are the terms of the loan and also the areas where, wrth this loan, techno- (d) the percentage that debt repayment logical advance and upgradation is intended servicing forms of the total revenue receipts, to be made? I would like to know about the State-wise and year wise? areas and the terms of the loan.

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: I have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE already mei1tioned about the areas that the DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE loan will cover and also about the purpose of MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. the loan. As far as terms and conditions of GADHVI): (a) The total amount of Central the loan are concerned, broadly, I can say loans outstanding against all States and that. to a large extent, rt is a soft terms loan. Union Territories together as on 1st April, 1989 was Rs. 56312.07 crares. Central Debt of States/Union Territories

·169. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: (b) to (d). These information are set out Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to in the Statements of I, II. and III respectively state: given below. 5 Oral Answ9fS SRAVANA 6, 191 ~ (SAKA) Oral Answers 6

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SHRI SYED SHAHABUDOIN: Mr. es1 I ate varies from figure to figure. But, by Speaker, Sir, the picture that emerges trom dnd large. It is 9.75% and sorr:ething more the reply and the statement tabled in the than that. The re-schedu:ina of the loan is House is a cause for serious concern I tind also being done on the recommendation of that the total Central loans are just over Rs. the Finance COCl)mISslon. Some of the loans 56.000 crores and the total receipts on reve- are also being \Vrltten off laking Into account nue and capital account taken together of all the particular sitLJ<1t:on of a par1icu!ar State. the States and Union Territories for 1983-89 I do believethat burden on the State Excheq- is just over Rs. 53,000 crores and in 1989- uer by way of loans is a little heavy. But that 90, it is estimated at just over Rs. 57,000 is because the St3tes also have to perform crores. So, roughly, the picture is that the their own part of raising their resources. One States and Union Terr;tories are indebted to of the reasons for more States not being able the Centra! Government to the extent of one to raise their resources is that the conlribu- years' total revenue and capital receipts. tion of their public sector undel1dkings to the Now, Sir. this is indeed a very serious PIC- Exchequer is not coming up to the expecta- ture. I would like to know from the han. tions. We very much wish and we are trying Minister the state-wise break-up of the out- to impress upon the States that they also '::tndlng loans as on tl-)e 1 sl of April. 1989. If have to playa very vital role in augmenting ...... pr€fe,s, he may like to place It on the their own resources. Now, I believe, States ~ ;:)ie of the House. But, I would like to know are aware of that situation also. from him now is the period over which this balance has accumulated. What were the SHFU SYED SHAHABUDDIN: I also total grants to the States and the Union asknd about the total grant dUrJ,1g the same T erntories during that period? And what IS period, that IS from 1984to 1989. the rate of interest payable on th8se loans? SHRI B.K. GADHVI: So far as the SHRI B.K. GADHVI: Sir, the han. grants are concerned of that period, I am Member has ciubbed many questions into sorry, perhaps I may not hctve the figures one. So far as State-wise break-up is con- presently with me because there are two cerned ... types of States the speCial category of States Ilke Assam and J& K which are on a different MR. SPEAKER: He had been a diplo- footing as well as the other general category mat, he knows how to do that. States. If the Han. Member so wishes, I will furnish this information to him. SHRI B.K. GADHVI: Naturally, because he was in the indian FOleign Service. So 1ar, SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: I asked State-wise outstanding loans as on 31 st that question because I am concerned about March, 1989 are as follows: some of the States, especially those in dis- advantaged circumstanc8s. They are con- Andhra Pradesh -Rs. 3341.09 crores cerned about the mix, the proportion between the grant and the loan from the Cen- Arunachal Pradesh -Rs. 327.10 crores. tral Government.

Should I repeat for all the States? I come 10 the other two Statements. i presume that in addition to the loan that the SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: You can States take from the Centra! Government. lay it on the Table of the House. they also raise public loans. They are borrowing from the commercial channels ThGY SHRI B.K. GADHVI: In 1984, these have also overdrawn from the Reserve Bank loans were ail clubbed together. There are of India. On all of them they have got to pay various types of loans on the Plan side. on acertain amountof interest. Nowthe Interest the small savings side and others. The inter- mte, as the Han. Minister has just now 27 Oral Answers JULY 28, 1989 Oral Answers 28

mentioned, on the Central loan IS of the order some States have a larger debt servICing of 9 75% I would certainly like him to con- ratIO sider whether this rate of Interest IS not very htgh With a view to reducing thiS, It would not be proper to say that they should always After all, since he referred to my being a depend upon the concession to be given by diplomat, I must remind him that all the debt the Central Government because Finance countries are always arguing that the rate of Commissions time and again are looking Interest on the loans taken by them from the Into the debt poSition of every State, they are developed countrres must be much lower trying to give some rehef by way of resched than thiS level It should be of the order of 2% uhng of the loans as well as by way of writing to 3%, Just about the servIcing charge In our off the loans own country we should certainly be far more compassionate towards the less fortunate To compare that the developing coun- States and Union TerritOries than what we tries should receive at a concesslonal rate expect the developed countries to show from the developed countries IS no more a towards the developing countries valid and cogent argument In thiS case because we are a part of the same country Of I would like to pOint out that the debt course, Central Government also IS equally servlcrng charge as stated In the Statements a developing country We are also borroWing 2 and 3 IS reaching a critical proportion of the at a very high rate and then we are repaying total receipts In many States I would partlcu to the States at a concesslonal rate lady like to draw the attention of the Han Minister where It has already crossed the Recently In small saving they have to safe limit of 20% - In the case of Arunachal pay 13% and on others 9 75% Our borrow Pradesh, Assam, Goa, Jan,mu and Kashmir Ing vanes from 13% to 15% Even the exter- and Mlzoram Bihar, my State IS not very far ned borrOWing which IS coming In terms of behrnd, In a year or two It shall cross the safe rupees IS also a high cost borroWing There- limit It IS already around 18% now In the fore, what I would submit IS that the States case of Arunachal Pradesh It has reached also should not totally throw out their own 31 5%, In the case of Assam 32 5% In the responsibility of managing their fiscal affair case of Goa 46%, In the case of J & K 43% They have also to be very diligent about It Just Imagine, 43 rupees out of 100 raised by They have also to be very prompt about that them on capital revenue account to be paid and they should manage thelrflnanclal aspect to be Central Government alone not count In a much better way 109 what they have to pay on other borrow- Ing I The States Will go totally bankrupt SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN That IS precisely what the country and the financial So, I would like the Han Mlntster to let institutions can ask for me know what measures the Central Gov- ernment have In mmd In respect of their total PROF N G RANGA What does not borrOWings-not only on their borroWings the Centre do? You express the Centre s from the Central Government-In order to pOint of view ensure that at least those States which have crossed the safe limit of 20% are .:;aved from SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV Mr financial bankruptcy Speaker, Sir, the hon MInister has Just pointed out that there are two categories of States One IS the special category and the SHRI B K GADHVI I agree that so far second IS the general category Assam and as the debt servlcmg ratio :s concerned, In Jammu & Kashmir are In the speCial cate- some of the States It IS a 1111le high But on an gory There are some States which are average It comes to 13 64% But Individually constantly faCing natural calamitIes and 29 Oral Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30

Rajasthan is one of them. Rajasthan has treasury was empty and the granary was incurred heavy debts and the financial posi~ also empty. May I know whether the State tion at the State is very much deplorable Government is in a crisis of financial bank- today. I would like to know whether the han. ruptcy and whether they have asked for a Minister would assure the House that the loan from the Central Govern ment? Recently. loan which has been incurred by the Govern~ he has announced Rs. 400 crores for the ment of Rajasthan for natural calamities will NGGOs, which is an addition to what they be written off. were being paid. When the position of the State Government is very bad and when SHRI B.K. GADHVI: Sir, I understand there is a financial bankruptcy, how can it that some States-because of their geo- announce? Unless it raises the resources, graphical situation and because of their how can it announce? May , also know natural conditions-are being visited by the whether this fact has been brought to the nat'.Jral calamities like drought and famine. A notice of the Central Government or not? part of Rajasthan is faCing such a situation. But the han. Member should appreciate that SHRIB.K. GADHVI: The han. Member while we take into consideration their aug- has drawn a comparison between the capital mentation of resources, we also take into receipts excluding the Central loans and consideration their scope and potentiality for grants. It is quite noticeable that in 1989 it augmenting the resources. Therefore when has fallen down to Rs. 733.25 crores. This there IS a serious drought or a famine, there reflects the State's own capacity to have the is a different mechanism by which we try to capital receipts and also I eflects their man- help the States; then our Central team will go agement of the fiscal mechanism of the there. they assess the damage and then we State. So far as the States are concerned, as give them relief, etc. They are not to be you know, we have got a feudal structure clubbed With this, because this is on the Plan and if any State IS resorting to prodigallsm, side. We are trying to meet the maximum then it is very difficult for us to say anything. possible, the plan side resource augmenta- I am not casting any aspersions on Tamilnadu tion deficit of the States. But, so far as the or any other State. But sometimes, we do writing off of the loans IS concerned, In some find that the States go in for very cheap States, in the past, Finance Commission has populist measures, thereby resorting to done it. We are also referring the matter to prodigalism. We would Wish that better sense the Finance Commission about the indebt- should prevail upon them so that the finan- edness of the States and the Finance Com- Cial aspect is not Imbalanced. mission would also take into account, what relief can be given. I hope that the secord Bank loans to Entrepreneurs report that would come, would take Into consideration these aspects of the States ·171. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will the also, because this is one of the references Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: made to the Finance Commissio'1. (a) the number of entrepreneurs to SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Sir, in State- whom loans have been advanced by the ment No. : 2 it has been stated that the State Bank of India and the nationalised capital receipts, excluding Central loan tor banks during the last three years, year-wise; 1988-89, for Tamilnadu was Rs. 1313.19 crores, whereas for 1989~90, it has been (b) the average time taken to give loan stated as Rs. 733.25 crores. So, the capital after receipt of application; and receipts have been reduced by more than Rs. 400 crores. My submission is that the (c) the measures taken by Government Chief Minister of T amilnadu, as soon as he to reduce the time gap between submission assumed Office as the Chief Minister of of application and receiving the amount by Tamilnadu on 28th Jan., has stated that the the entrepreneurs? 31 Oral Answers JULY 28. 1989 Oral Answers 32

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) to (c). A State- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS ment is given below. IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI

STATEMENT

(a) to (c). The Reserve Bank has reported that the existing data reporting system by banks does not generate information in the manner askpd for. However, information relating to the number of borrowal accounts which is available only in respect of priority sector advances is indicated below:

Number of borrowal Amount outstanding accounts (in /akhs) (Rs. in crores)

2 3

December. 1986 261.57 23911

Oecember, 1987 297.88 27810

December, 1988 330.97 32564 (Data Provisional)

The amount of total outstanding ad- was about the number of entrepreneurs to vances of public sector banks to all catego- whom loans have been advanced by the ries of borrowers during the last three years State Bank of India and other nationalised is indicated below: banks. Inst~ad the answer is about the number of borrowal accounts as on Decem- (Rs. in crores) ber 1988. It was 330.971akh and the amount outstanding is Rs. 32,564 crores. The amount December, 1986 56.780 of total outstanding advances in public sector banks as on Decemoor 1988 is Rs. 76,205 December, 1987 63,522 crores. The loans and advances to the entrepreneurs are linked with subsidy and are at December. 1988 76,205 a lower rate of interest and the loans are advanced in a phased manner. I would like to As per the existing guidelines of the know is there any agency to check the loans Reserve Bank of India (RBI) in regard to that are given at the first instance and also to priority sectors, banks are required to en- ensure before the second doze of loans is force strict time discipline in dealing with all given as to whether the loan given in the first credit proposals in the priority sector. These instance has been utilised forthe purpose for guidelines enjoin upon the banks that all loan which it was granted. If so, what is the applications up to a credit limIt of Rs. 25,0001 measure taken for that and how best the - should be disposed of within a fortnight and subsidies are advanced to these entrepre- those for over Rs. 25,0001- within 8 to 9 neurs in time so that the industries come up weeks from the date of receipt of the applica- in right time and also to see that sufficient tion. The Boareds of Directors of the banks money has been advanced? have also been enjoined to periodically review the position. SHRIEDUAROOFALEIRO: Inhisorigi- nal question the han. Member wanted to SHRI SOMNATH RA TH: My question know the number of entrepreneurs. I have 33 Oral Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34 said In the answer that the number of entre- first verify whether the loan has bean prop- preneurs is not available. The number of erly utilised or not. That is a fundamental accounts are available. He wants to know thing in every banking operation. It is their ",hy only the number of accounts are avail- duty to do so. If you have any case in which able. The reason is one entrepreneur can It has not been done, we will definitely chec;'_ have more than one account. Therefore. up that. what ~eal!y matters with the bank is the number of accounts and this is the reason SHRI SOMNATH RATH: The han. why number of accounts as well as out Minister h 3S replted that there is some exist- standings have been given. ing guideline to enforce the time discipline. He has also mentioned about this in the The han. Member IS rightly concernsd reply. But, in fact, the entrepreneurs are not about the delays in disbursement of loans able to get the credit in time. And on account and subsidies and also credit utilisation. In of price escalation, either the industry is not October I have reiterated the instructions able to come upor it turns sick. This has now giving the time-frame in consultation with become a common phenomenon. the Reserve Bank within which these loans must be disbursed. Banks have been ad- As such, will the Minister constitute a vised to follow the practice of issuing an committee to supervise this aspect and in- acknowledgement with the date of receipt form the House what specific steps are being for loan applications and after the receipt of taken? The outstanding amount mentioned the application a definite date has to be there is Rs. 76,205 crore. So, what specific indicated for discussion, clarification, etc. if steps are being taken for realisation of this considered necessary. For monitoring timely amount and for the industry to come up in ( disposal of cases the banks are required to right manner and in right time so that it doo,. introduce an appropriate system. The Re- not turn sick? The entrepreneurs have 2.1 gional Manager would review the cases every eye on the subsidy part of the loan and about month. Further the credit proposals from the lower rate of interest on the loan or cred ! small scale industries not decided within they take. three months from the date of receipt are to be reported at an early date to the Board of SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: The hon. Directors for review and effective follow-up Member has mentioned the outstanding action. The Regional Managers are also amount but there is some misapprehension required to visit nodal branches in such a that outstanding amount means an amount manner that every nodal branch is visited by which has been defaulted. There is a very an officer once in three months. The con- sharp and clear distinction between out- cern of the Member is right on delay. I have standing amount and overdue amount. An myseH discussed with the MPs and got feed outstanding amount is an amount which has back that there are delays. We have issued not been paid but may have become due, but instructions. We have also asked the banks not that all this money is defaulted. to monitor implementation of these instructions and, I hope, the things will improve. The time mayor may not have come for the entrepreneur to pay. So, no conclusion SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Is any super- c.an be drawn from this figure in a negative vision made as to whether the credit ad- manner. vance is properly utilised before the second dose is granted? However, the hon. Member is right, firstly, for his concern about the delay in SHRI EDUARDO FAlEIRO: It is al- disbursement of capital to industry and, ways there not only in the case of small loans secondly, insufficient amount being given to but also subsidy linked loans. If is a funda- the industry. If a person asks for an amount mental thing in bank loans th::t! the b3nk will 'X'. if that amount 'X' is really necessary for 35 Oral Answel5 JULY 28, 1989 Oral AnswelS 36 that particular industry, giving an amount So. far as small loans are concerned, up less than that will definitely not meet the to Rs. 25000, the work must be completed purpose and, in fact, may contribute to non- within 15 days. But as far as the applications viability of the industry and to sickness. Hwe from Scheduled Castes and Tribes are realise all these aspects, the Reserve Bank concerned, they are not to reject them un- of India has been regularly mon~oring the less they get the preliminary approval of the performance of the banks. senior man. They can approve them on their own but they cannot reject unless they have Recently, we have introduced a very seen and the course of action has been Innovative measure and that is that Mem- approved by the senior officer. As far as bers of Parliament will be invited, for the first others are concerned, even those who are time, to the review meetings of operations of not Scheduled Castes and Tribes, in case of the banks at the district level. So, all the rejection, the matter must again go to the Members of Parliament will have an oppor- senior officer after the rejection and it is for tunity to see really what is happening at the him to scrutinize whether the rejection is grass root level and to come up with sugges- valid or not. tions. I think it is very innovative and very useful. Secondly, we have again taken a very important step recently and that is to this [ Translation] effect that in respect of small loans at the rate of 4 percent, we had a distinction between DR. PRABHAT KUMAR MISHRA: Mr. working capital which could be given up to Speaker, Sir, the rural Banks have been As. 1500 and the remaining amount which established with a view to provide financial goes up to a total of As. 6500, for capital assistance to the farmers and other rural investment. As. 1500 may not be sufficient people but their applications for small loans for working capital. So, we have said that the are rejected on petty technical grounds and discretion must be given to the Branch they do not get any benefit from these Banks. Manager or to the officer who is dealing with Small loans ranging from As. 5,000 to 10,000 ~ to be more flexible and if necessary, more are sought by the villagers who want to earn than Rs. 1500 for working capital, can be their livelihood in the village itseH. Has the given w~hin a ceiling of Rs. 6500 so that the hon. Minister received complaints from the operation will become viable. This is also a rural people that they do not get loans unless major step to help the weaker sections and political pressure is exerted? I would like to given them further financial support. know what steps are being taken by the Government in this regard. [ Translation]

(English] SHAI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: Mr. Speaker, Sir, a sum of As. 76,000 crore is SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Sir, as far outstanding againstthe defaulters, but I would as small loans are concerned, we have given like to know how much amount is outstand- 15 days time within which they must sanc- ing against the small scale sector and how tion the loan or take a decision on the loan. much againstthebig industrial houses? How What is required from the bank is, number many cases are there which have been one, that when the man approaches the resettled by the Government but are still bank, he should be given an acknowledge- being shown in the outstanding list? In re- ment saying that the application has been gard to time discipline in dealing with credit given on a particular date and the acknow- proposals has to be done regionwise by the ledgement slip must also indicate the date banks? What is the percentage of rejected on which the loan will be finalised one way or cases? Our experience in this regard is that the other so that the man does not have to go they neither reject the cases nor sanction again and again. the loan and simply go on making querries. 37 Oral AnSwelS SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Oral AnswslS 38

Tehsildar and other Revenue officials also (a) whether efforts are being made to go on asking irrelevant things and do not increase trade between India and Australia; either reject or approve the application. The hoh. Minister has rightly said that there is no (b) if so, the broad details of the efforts need to visit the offices time and again to get made in this direction; the loan sandioned but the general atmosphere is such that without going one cannot (c) the names of items, the trade with get the work done. I would like to know as to regard to which is likely to increase between what steps does the Government propose to these two countries; and take in respect of monitoring and an sanction so that people may get some relief? (d) the extent of additional foreign exchange which India is likely to receive as [English] a result thereof?

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Sir, allthis [English] statistical information which the han. Mem- ber wants such as amount overdue by small THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE industries and large industries, is not avail- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. able with me at the moment. I will collect the DASMUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. same and give ittothe han. Member. He has raised a question as to how sometimes people (b) A statement is given below. are harassed and I am not prepared to accept or admit in totality this general state- (c) There is a possibility of increase in ment. But, it does happen sometimes. I imports of coal, wool, and mining machinery would like to say that when I met the han. and equipment from Australia to India while Members of Parliament, this issue was raised Indian exports of engineering products, by them. The DICs approve a certain num- leather products, precious and semi-pre- ber of people to be given this benefit but cious stones, textiles and garments, spices, when they go to the bank, according to the chemicals and other items are likely to in- MPs, sometimes the banks do not really crease over the years. accept the pleas and they have their own assessment. They have found that a single- (d) No exact figures of additional for- window concept must be brought into the eign exchange earnings can be given. scheme. Therefore, time must be given to the banks to scrutinize before a decision is STATEMENT taken by the DIC. The banks will be present at the DICs meeting. The decision taken by (b) The following steps inter-alia have the DICs will be final. We are working on this been! are being taken to promote trade be- and we have recommended this to the tween India and Australia: Reserve Bank of India. We are awaiting their concurrence in this matter. (i) Holding of seminars on various aspects of trading with India in [ Translation] Australia.

Indo-Australian Trade (ii) Increasing contacts between Indian and Australian businessmen through forum of regular meetings *172. SHRI MADAN PANDEY: of the India-Australia Joint Busi- SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: ness Council.

Will the Minister of COMMERCE be (iii) Increased participation in interna- pleased to state: tional exhibitions held in Australia. 39 Oral Answers JULY 28, 1989 Oral Answers 40

(iv) Holding of exclusive displays of problems between the two countries is con- Indian products in Australia through cerned, I would like to inform that earlier the Assistance of Market Advisory there was a Joint Trade Committee, but it is Service of Australian Government. a matter of happiness that after the visit of our Prime Minister Shri Rajlv Gandhi to (v) Holding of Buyer-Seller Meets in Australia and the consequent visit of Austra- Australia. lian Prime Minister to India in the beginning of this year, a Joint Commission has been (vi) During the visit of Prime Minister of constrtuted. The first meeting of the Joint Australia in February, 1989 both Commission started In Canberra yesterday the countries have signed Memo- where our Minister of Commerce Shri Oi- randa of Understanding for coop- nesh Singh was also present. Yesterday we eration in sectors of Railways, T ele- received a message from Canberra after the communication and Concessional end of First day's meeting that an agreement Finance which inter-alia include the had been reached that the trade between establishment of Joint Ventures. India and Australia would touch the mark of 1.2 billion U.S. dollar by 1992 i.e. during the (vii) Establishment of a Joint Ministerial course of next three years. Another happy Commission with Australia which news is that now it has been decided by the would inter-alia consider measures MMTC that the sh ips coming from East Coast to strengthen relations between the of Australia, which is away from the main- two counties in aJi areas particu- land, will henceforth carry iron-ore from India larly in the field of, commercial, to the steel mills in that country on their way economic, scientific and techno- back after unloading their cargo at Paradeep. logical cooperation etc. Australia is one of the leading exporters of iron are otherwise. [ Trans fa tion] SHRI MADAN PANDEY: Mr. Speaker, SHRI MADAN PANDEY: Mr. Speaker, Sir, my second supplementary is that in view Sir, the efforts made by the Government to of the experience of the han. Minister about promote trade with a developed country like the trade talks with Australia, which is very Australia is a welcome step but my submis- encouraging, will the Government explore sion is that besides Australia, Government the possibility of increasing our trade with should also pay attention towards other South other countries like Thailand, New Zealand, East Asian countries with whom scope for Philippines and other big and small coun- promotion of our trade is very wide. tries of South East Asia which are developing? Is there any such matter receiving at- Mr. first submission in this regard is that tention of the Government? though both the countries come to an understanding at the moment but is there are SHAI P.R. DAS MUNSI: Yes, Sir. mechanism like joint commission or such other body which will continue the process, SHAt MADAN PANDEY: The reply is meet from time to time to review the progress only yes, Sir. and explore new possibilities to boost the mutual trade further? If so, kindly give the full MR. SPEAKER: What a positive reply. details regarding the compos~ion of the commission and its objectives? [English}

SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI: tt is true that SHAI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: May I our trade relations with Australia are further know from the han. Minister what is the improving as compared to the past. So far as present turn-over of Indo-Australian trade? the question of mechanism to solve trade Just now the hon. Minister replied that our 41 Oral Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Oral Answers 42

Prime Minister visited Australia in 1986 and possibly in this regard some official declara· signed an agreement for trade between the tion will be made today in Canberra. The two countries. In the statement, it is also provisional figures for trade turnover for the stated that the Australian Prime Minister year 1988-89 shows that the export figur~ visited India in February 1989 and both the stands at Rs. 266.04 crores and the import countries have signed 2. memorandum of figure is a little over Rs. 700 crores So, understanding for cooperation in sectors of ot-viously there i~ ::t !r dde balance in favou: railways, telecommunication etc. He also of Australia Therdo:,·, we are trying to find stated that conference is at present going on out what more nuw ,tl,n:'3 can be added in our in Canberra. May I know, what is the present export basket so that Wf;; can neutralise the turn-over of the Indo-Australian trade and bulk import of cooking coal for which we are whether any decision has been taken in that mostly dependent on Australia. regard in the Joint Ministerial Commission at Canberra and whether any agreement has Apart from this a Memorandum of been signed in that regard? If so, what are Understanding was signed between the two the details thereof? countries which identifies a few areas like the Railways and others. A Memorandum of SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI: Sir, through Understanding was also signed between the you,lwould liketoconveytothehon. Member National Dairy Development Board and that if you trace the history of Indo-Australian Australian Centre for International Agricul- trade, it started right from the East India tural Research on 15th October, 1986. The Company but the actual trade agreement purpose of this Memorandum was to in- between India and Australia was signed crease the food production and to promote officially after the independence. Thereafter research, this involves exchange of mis- the trade between the two countries started sions, exports and delegations so as to following the line of Joint Trade Committee exchange views in the field of research. So, which considering the trade and techno- these are the broad areas where we are logical aspects was at a little lower level. thinking of expanding our trade. Thereafter we had a Joint Business Council at the private level. During the first visit of our So far as our export is concerned, we Prime Minister to Australia, and before the are mainly depending on machinl3ry, trans- Australian Prime Minister came to India, a port equipment, chemicals and other related Joint Business Councuil was formed and it products and our import is mainly confinedto started functioning. It is nice to mention here coking-coal and raw-wood. These are the that when the Australian Prime Minister, His areas where we feel that the trade between Excellency Mr. Hawke, came to India he also India and Australia can be further expanded. attended the Joint Business Council meet- We hope that the agreement which will be ing and responded to Indidn trade just as our signed today will open new doors for the Prime Minister Rajivji responded to Austra- Indo-Australian trade. lian trade. Thereafter'a Joint Commission was formed. The first meeting of the Joint Export of Tea Commission was held in Canberra yesterday. The message that I received yesterday + evening from Canberra through our High *181. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE Commission is thatthe concluding part ofthe PATIL: agreement will be signed today. So, I cannot SHRtMATI PATEL RAMABEN exactly say whetherthe agreement has been RAMJIBHAI MAVANI: signed between the two trade Ministers. But hopefully I may inform the han. Member that Will the Minister of COMMERCE be an arrangement to provide 1.2 Billion U.S. pleased to state: Dollars trade by 1992 in order to double the trade turnover has been envisaged and (a) the quantity and the value of tea 43 Oral Answers JULY 28, 1989 Oral AnswetS 44 exported to various countries during 1 Janu- present to tea exporters and whether Gov- ary, 1987 to 30 June, 1989, country-wise, ernment propose to give more incentives in year-wise; the further; and

(b) the foreign exchange earned, coun- (e) the steps taken to check the inferior try-wise; and adulterated qualities of tea before it is exported?

(c) the steps taken to increase export of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tea; MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): (a)to (e). A statement is given (d) the facilities and incentives given at below.

STATEMENT

(a) and (b). As per Tea Board statistics, Export 01 tea from India earned an overall foreign exchange of Rs. 621.72 crores (Prov.) during 1987-88 and Rs. 644.26 crores (Estd.) during

1988-89. Value of export of tea for the period April-May l 1989 is provisionally estimated to be Rs. 59.60 crores as compared to Rs. 57.09 crores during the corresponding period last year. Export of tea to some of the principal countries during the years 1987 to June, 1989 are as follows:

(ory - M. Kgs.) (Fig. Licences issued) Name of the Countries 1987 1988 1989 (Jan..June)

2 3 4

U.K. 24.63 26.52 1.61

Poland 10.32 9.48 4.39

U.S.s.R. 91.08 95.76 33.04

U.S.A. 2.49 2.92 0.98

Iraq 2.15 12.52 2.85

A.R.E. 8.37 14.91 6.66

Iran 28.11 11.77 1.24

(c) and (d). Government from time to 2. Shift from generic promotion to time on the basis of merits are giving facili- uninational campaign for value ties and incent(ves to exporters. Some of the added teas. important step initiated to enhance exports of Indian teas include: 3. CQS on tea bags, packet tealtea caddies, instant tea and quick brew- 1. Assistance to exporters for loan in ing black. tea has been sanctioned. foreign exchange for brand promo- hon. 4. To counter misbranding of other 45 Oral AnSW81S SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Oral Answ9fS 46

teas as Oarjeeling teas, a logo for crores. That limit can be increased so that Oarjeeling tea has been launched. the margin of profit can be more and they can export. You calculate the total subsidy per 5. Tea bags have been exempted from Kg. after giving all your concessions to the excise duty. tea exporters and see how you will stabilise tea export market so that, particl,llarly the tea 6. Customs duty on filter paper used garden labour, does not suffer and the pro- in manufacture of tea bags has duction can go up. been abolished .. SHAI P.R. OAS MUNSI: The entire 7. Rebate of Excise duty on packet mechanism of tea export precisely depends tea exports. on (a) the productivity and production of the .country, (b) the supply and demand ratio in 8. A provision of 10% of FOB realisa- the domestic market, and (c) finding out tion for advertising and promotion whether there is any export surplus and also by individual companies abroad had whether there is any market. been sanctioned. The hon. Member expressed his con- 9. Small scale packeters upto a an- cern about the profit margin in the rupee nual turnoverof As. 1.5 crores have earning area as well as earning profit margin been exempted from Excise duty. fro the hard currency areas, and finally whether we can increase the limit of small 10. Exports ottea under bond has been packets and all these things. I may inform the allowed. han. Memberthat though India is the largest producer of quality tea in the whole world I (e) Checking adulteration in respect of may claim that India produces the best quality any saleable tea for domestic or export pur- tea which nobody in the whole world propose is primarily the responsibility of differ- duces-the difficuhy that we are facing to- ent state governments in accordance with day is that the domestic demand is going up the provisions of the Prevention of Food and the matching production ratio for making Adu~eration Act and rules framed thereun- available the surplus for the export basket is der. not gaining momentum. This is precisely the fact. It is a fact that from 1951 to 1986, In addition, Tea Board implements the though our productivity had gone up by 67 provisions of the Tea Waste (Control) Order, percent, and the area under plantation had 1959 to check any misuse of Substandard gone up by a little over 28 percent, still the Tea or Tea Waste as adulterated to tea. domestic consumption is going up at a gal- loping speed. This year, we had estimated a SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: Sir, production of a little over 700 million Kgs, in Poland and USSR the trade is in Indian while according to our information, about currency. So, I do not know how much for- 470 million Kgs. would be consumed in the eign exchange we are earning from these domestic market alone. The remaining, Le. countries. At the same time our trade with the surplus, which we will have in our hand Poland and Iran is declining very fast. Some usually will be around 200 million Kgs. or a countries are doing well in trade. There is no little over that. In that there is also a black doubt aboutthat.1 would liketo know how the CTCtea. Government is thinking of increasing the tea trade abroad so that we can compete in the We have a very steady market in the international market. You have given a Soviet Union. We don't like to get out of that number of exemptions but at the sametime area because we feel that Society market is you are going to re-consider the small scale a very steady and a regular market for Indian packeters upto an annual turnover of Rs. 1.5 tea. So, the Indian tea must go as much as 47 Oral Answers JULY 28, 1989 Oral Answers 48

h can. We are giving 18 percent of C.C.s. H caught a few cases. But the actual problem the tea is actually packed in the form of a is that checking adulteration of any saleable packet and are exported by finding a market. tea, whether for domestic consumption or ~ The problem is-I would not include subsidy export, is primarily the responsibility of the or cash compensation that many State State Governmc·'"'!t'" rlS per the provisions of Governments are not registering their small the Prevention ( f yj hdulteration Act. It :s scale units. We have made a provision that preciselv their r·' .: ;; ibility. if there is a small scale packaging unit, it will also be exempted from the Excise Duty. So, Finally, the export arrangements fortea many State Governments are not actually are like these: for a long time it has been the registering those units. That is the new prob- practice that unlike in other commod~ies lem. We are sorting it out. Regarding finding where a regular inspection agency e.g. export new market area, as' had stated earlier, we inspection agency is there, for tea they are have started gaining new ground. I may between the buyer and the seller, through a .~ inform the hon. Member that West Germany surveyor, subject to the satisfaction of the • is now the best market for the quality tea buyer. If I buy tea from India or from England, while the other kinds of teas are usually liked I will buy tea through a particular party many by the entire Europe. But inthe United States, times through a surveyor appointed by me or the type of flavored tea that they would like to by him, subject to my satisfaction. consume is of a very inferior quality which India never stepped into. We are fighting in The quality itself has reached such a the international forum for the quality promo- level that hardly any complaint comes, of this tion only because it is here that India can get nature, except from the domestic market, 1 a better rate. and the domestic market is under the total surveillance of the Enforcement Department SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: My of the State Governments. But it is precisely second supplementary is this. In reply to part within the ambit of the State Governments. 'e' of my question, you have mentioned about Food Adulteration Act and the misuse In regard to substitution of tea by other of sub-standard tea. I do not know how many agricultural commodities, I would request cases you have registered. We have been the hon. Member not to plead for it, because ~~ getting cases about the foreign exchange tea is required for India. I feel that if we earning. The Government is trying to in- cannot increase productivity by the end of crease the production of tea but at the the 8th Plan, the situation may be very diHi- sametime, can the Minister inform the House cu~ for India, even to look after the domestic as to which are the other areas in agricultural market. The consumption is going up, be- products where we can earn more foreign cause it is the only beverage for the com- ., exchange so that we can substitute the tea mon, poor people. Therefore, we do not like with other agricultural product. By doing so to plant like that; on the contrary, our ambi- we can earn more foreign exchange. If we tious target is to expand the tea-growing can do that, we may not in future due to areas to a greater extent, with the help of the ~ domestic consumption lose foreign ex- State Governments, and provide a lot of change. support from our side. We are gaining ground in this direction. SHAt P.R. DAS MUNSI: First of all as far as adu~eration is concerned, it is a fact SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: I would like that sometimes, cases are reported to us to tell the hon. Minister that the figure given about the export of adulterated tea. And we in his reply shows that in some of the coun- 49 Oral Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Oral Answers 50

tries importing our tea, the quantity of such tional market, nobody can sell any damn. import has declined. What is the reason for bad tea in name of Darjeeling tea, without '" this? May I know whether it is a fact that our out logo. This is the second step. Finally. we tea is not being very much appreciated in the have introduced a number of systems in our international market, due to adulteration and tea production arrangements, both in the the deteriorating quality of it, day by day? If Nilgiris as well as in the area to which the so. what are the measures taken by Govern- han. Member belongs, viz. Orissa in mentto see that such adulteration of deterio- Kalahandi, which, people feel, is a desert- ration in quality are not there? prone area. In a part of that area also, we have been able successfully to showthat we Besides, may I know whether it is a fact can produce tea; and Orissa has givan its that our Darjeeling tea is much more appre- first tea production last year; we have sold ciated in the international market? Is it a fact that tea at the aucHon as well. So, we are ~ that there is scope for growing such quality really improving. tea in some of the areain our country like the Nilgiris and others? Has this aspect been I would like to inform you with happiness surveyed; and if so, what are the results? that the position of India today is that if the quality campaign gets strong, except India,

SHRI P.!=!' DAS MUNSI: First of all, I nobody is tl-- 0 °e in the whole world to supply would like to inform th~ han. Member that it quality brands. That is the position in the is not at all a fact that Indian tea is losing the internationnl market. market due to poor quality. On the other >4 hand, the quality of the Indian tea is so good MR. SPEAKER: The Question List is that the Kenyan tea and the Sri Lankan tea over. Now, I am going over it again. Shri whose quality is very inferior are grabbing Kumaramangalam. the market at any price, to charm the common consumer in the whole world. That is we SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Q. have taken a very consistent position in the No. 165. international forums, that only quality tea should be encouraged. It has started giving Foreign Aid ~ results in West Germany. You cannot sell bad quality tea in West Germany. That is *165. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGA- why the Kenyans are losing. It is mainly India LAM: Will the Minister of FINANCE pleased whose te~ is going to their departmental to state: stores. In England, we are trying our best to do this. In Japan, a new culture has started. (a) whether the attention of Govern- Inferior quality tea is being supplied by some ment has been drawn to the news ~em other countries I do not like to mention those captioned 'Indian can no longer bank on aid' names-at throwaway prices. India will never appearing in the Times of India of 25 June, try to compete at that level. Even if we sell a 1989; little loss, we do not mind; we will not com- promise our price and quality. (b) if so, the details thereof; and

Secondly, Oarjeeling tea is produced in (c) the steps proposed to be taken by a limited quantity. It is earning the highest Government in this regard? value in the whole world. The Darjeeling logo campaign is now a precise campaign for the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE country. That is why in the whole interna- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS 51 Oral Answers JULY 28, 1989 Ora/Ans_1S S2

IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI atlon IS what It IS In terms of percentage, if WQ EDUARDO FALEIRO) (a) Yes. Sir take It to consideration the overall figures for the last ten years of the balance of payment, (b) and (c) The meeting of the Aid India we are not In as good a shape as we should Consortium endorsed India's overall devel- have been If It IS SO, IS the Department of opment thrust and the continuing need for Economic Affairs gOing to tighten up In so far external assistance at concesslonallevels as Imports under OGL are concerned, espe- Cially for consumer Items? Government do not regard foreign bor- rowmgs was a substitute for resource mobi- SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO Yes, SIr lisation through domestic efforts and have (8) We are gOing to tighten It, we have taken a number of steps to ensure that the tightened the consumer Items, lUXUry Items need for foreign financing IS progl esslvely Import, that IS being monitored very regularly reduced These Include Increasing domestic and we are concerned about the balance of exploration and production of Oil & Natural payment POSition While saying thiS, I must Gas, efficient Import substitution In major add that our foreign borrOWings have been areas and achievement of better export per- used to build up Infrastructure ThiS year, we formance have Improved on the targets fixed for Sev- enth Plan, as far as they appear We have 5HRI P R KUMARAMANGALAM Improved not merely our targets but main- would like to know from the hon Minister tained them In spite of very difficult circum- what IS the present POSition of balance 01 stances like the continuous drought, un- payment and the outsta'ldlng foreign debt precedented drought However, we have including the re payment schedule? achieved the targets we have Improved on them The Impl ovement In the targE)ts was 5 SHRI fDUARDO FALEIRO I would percent We have achieved already 52 like to give to the han Member whatpver percent at thiS pOint of time, and there has figures I have got I would like to say that the been the Gverall growth of GNP over the last total debt service as percentage to export ten years The pelcentage of Increase from and gross InVIsible earnings has gone down 198 to the present day has been 5, while all Our pOSition has Imporved from 1987-88 to the time before from 1950 onwards the GNP 1988-89 In 1987-88, the percentage of total was growing under 3 5 percent ThiS IS how debt service to percentage of export and we have utilised the foreign assistance and gross invIsible earnings was 23 6 percent It foreign borrOWings The bUilt up economy had been reduced last year In 1988-89 to has shown the result We must go further on 22 8 percent 50 the position has Improved thiS and at the same time we must tighten on thiS front TaKing the total debt service as Imports and Improve the balance of payment percentage of export only, again there has pOSition, and that IS what we are dOing, we been an Improvement from 35 2 percent In must do more, and we commltt to the House 1987-88 to 33 9 percent In 1988 89 These lie Will do more are the figures available at the moment

SHRI P R KUMARAMANGALAM MR SPEAKER The Question Hour IS hope rest of the figures Will be supplied later over Now thiS assurance IS coming from the hon M'Plster The second question IS If the SltU- 53 Written Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS the concessions given in Budget reached the public; [English] (b) if so, whether this cell has been Promotion of Export Oriented Un Its in const~uted ; Uttar Pradesh (c) if so, the details thereof; and ·174. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Ministerof COMMERCE be pleased to state: (d) ij not, the time by which it will be constituted? (a) the number of industrial units in Uttar Pradesh which are exporting more THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE than fifty per cent of their products and the DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE year-wise amount of foreign exchange MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. earned by these units during each of the last PANJA): (a) to (c). A group has been consti- three years, year-wise; tuted in Depart:-nent of Revenue to monitor the impact of the concessions in central (b) whether his Ministry is formulating a excise duties given to various commodities special scheme for promoting and encour- in the 1989 budget, on the prices of those aging export oriented industries in this State: commodities and to submit periodical re- and ports to the Government.

(c) if so, the amOl,;nt likely to be spent (d) Does not arise. thereon during 1989-90? Committee of Judges on arrears in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Courts MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI): (a) Export statistics are not *176. SHRI BALWANT SINGH maintained industrial unit-wise or State-wise RAMOOWALlA: for any Stale except in respect of units lo- SHRI PARAS RAM BHARD- cated in Export Processing Zones. WAJ:

(b) The general package of export Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE promotion measures are avaIlable to all be pleased to state: States including U.P. (a) whether Government have consti- (c) Does not arise. tuted a Committee of Judges to suggest ways and means to reduce and control the [ Translation] arrears of cases in Supreme Court, High Courts and subordinate courts; Extension of Budget Concessions to Public (b) if so, the composition and terms of reference of the Com mittee and whether the *175. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: W,ll said Committee has started its work; and the Minister of FINANCE pleased to state.

(a) whether he had announced that a (c) the time by which the report of Vigilance cell would be set up to ensure that Committee is hJ be received? 55 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 56

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI TICE (SHR: 8. SHANKARANAND): (a) to EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). The (c). Yes, Sir. A Committee consisting of proposal relating to setting up of BANKNET to improve communication linkage amongst 1. Shn Justice V.S. Malimath, banks is being developed in consukation Chief Justice, Kerala with all concerned. The network, when fully High Court Chairman operational, wil: facilitate message transfer, file transfer, electronic fund transfer and 2. Shri Justice P.O. Desai, common data base access amongst the Chief Justice, Calcutta member banks. High Court Import of coaches from U.K. Members 3. Shri Justice P.C. Jain, *179. SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN: Will the Chief Justice, Karnataka High Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: Court (a) whether the British Rail Engineering has been constituted to study the problem of Ltd. are demanding higher prices for its arrears in the High Courts and Subordinate latest generation coaches; Courts and to suggest remedial measures, and it has been asked to submit its report to (b) how much more money in terms of the Government as soon as possible. foreign exchange will have to be shelled out to BREL because of price hike; and [English] (c) whether any safeguards were pro- Inter-Bank Communication Network vided to meet contingencies of breach of contract at the time of signing of the agree- *178. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: Will the ment? Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether some of the public sector MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI banks have explessed disagreement with MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) The demand the Reserve Bank establishing the proposed made for higher prices was subsequently inter-bailk communication network; withdrawn by BREL Ltd.

(b) if so, the '8<.!sons offered by the (b) Does not arise. public sector banhs for differences with the RBI; (c) No agreement has been signed with the firm. (c) "'vh~I:ler no Impvrtant information can be transnlit1ed on tile proposed system [ Translation] of the RBI; and Central Clearance for Orchha Power (d) if so, the manner In which Govern- and Irrigation Project in M.P. ment propose to remove disagreement on inter-bank communication network? * 180. SHRIMATI VIDYA VATI CHATUR- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VEDI: Will the Minister of WATER RE- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS SOURCES be pleased to state: 57 Written Answet:5 SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answet:5 58

(a) whether Orchha Power and Irriga- Nepal Treaty on Trade & Transit on 23rd tion Project, which has been approved by the March 1989, which has resulted in smug- Government of Madhya Pradesh is pending gling of petroleum products from India to with Union Government for a long time; and Nepal.

(b) if so, the details thereof and the (b) The anti~smuggling machinery on action taken by the Government in this re- the Indo-Nepal border has been strength- gard? ened. Coordination Committees have been set up by the State Governments of U.P. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Bihar and West Bengal for concerted action MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND against smuggling of petroleum products MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY from India to Nepal in the U.P., Bihar and OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI West Bengal sector. M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). Orchha multi- purpose project received in December, 1981 Incentives for Tea Industry was examined and comments were sent during January, 1982 to September, 1984. 1630. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- In the absence of response from State CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of COM- Government, the project was returned in MERCE be pleased to state: October, 1985 for modification of the project proposals. (a) whether Government is reviewing the policy with regard to the incentives ex- [English] tended to the tea industry: and

Smuggling of Petrol Diesel and Kero- (b) if so, the changes proposed to be sene to Nepal, introduced in this renard?

1628. SHRI K.S. RAO: Will the Minister THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of FINANCE be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI): (a) At present no such review (a) whether Government are aware has been initiated. about the smuggling of petrol, diesel and kerosene to Nepal; and (b) Does not arise.

(b) if so, the action taken by Govern- Additional Coaches for South Eastern ment to check smuggling of petroleum prod- Railway ucts and other essential commodities to that cOLJntry? 1633. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state: DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. (a) whether the number of coaches of PANJA): (a) The Government are aware passenger/express trains running on South that petroleum products like petrol, diesel Eastern Railway has been reduced, result- and kerosene are being smuggled into Nepal ing in heavy rush on these trains; across the Indo-Nepal border. There is an acute shortage of petroleum products in (b) whether any request for augmenta- Nepal consequent on the expiry of the Indo- tion of coaches has been received from 59 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written AnswelS 60 zonal railway and public; and (a) the names of the GoH countries to whom Indian goods are being exported (c) ~ so, the action taken by Govern- annually; ment to increase the number of coaches to reduce the rush on these trains? (b) the items being exported and the value thereof; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI (c) whether despite great demand for MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) to (c). Com- Indian goods in the GuH market there is a position of some trains have been reduced slump in their export due to the poor quality due to poor occupation. Requests received and high price of such products; and for augmentation of trains for occasional fluctuations due to local festivalslfairs etc. (d) if so, the steps Government propose are catered as operationally feasible. to take in the matter and to increase the export to GuH countries? Pension Scheme for Employ••• of Nationalised Banks THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. 1634. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- DAS MUNSI): (a) to (d). Indian goods are ASHAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE be exported to all the countries in the Gulf pleased to state: region viz; Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates. (a) whether Government have exam- Major items of export include engineering ined the demand of the nationalised banks goods, chemicals, drugs and pharmaceuti- for introduction of pension scheme to the cals, textiles, processed foods, spices, tea employees especially when the State Bank etc. Export to Gu~ countries have increased 01 India has started such a scheme for the from Rs. 848.60 crores (provisional) in 1987- employees since 1921 ; 88 to Rs. 1048.57 crores (provisional) during 1988-89. (b) i1so, the decision of Government on the demand; and [T fans/ation1

(c) if not, the reasons for not taking such Smuggling of Narcotic Drugs decision on the demand which has been under negotiation with the bank employees 1636. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RA- union for a long period and the likely date by WAT: which a decision would be taken? SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS to state: IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). The (a) the gangs involved in the prepara- matter is being looked into. tion of heroin from opium and smuggling of narcotic drugs apprehended this year; Export to Gulf Countries (b) the quantity of drugs seized from 1635. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: them and the value thereof; Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: (c) whether Government propose to 61 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 provide for deterrent punishment for such trafficking with a mandatory minimum pun- smugglers; and ishment for term of 10 years' regorous im- prisonment and rupees one lakh fine which (rl) if so, the details thereof? may extend to 20 years' R.I. and Rs. 2 lakh fine for illicit traffic offences. The Act has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE since been amended, mter alia, prOViding for DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE capital punishment on second conviction in MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. certain cases and for forfeiture of property of PANJA): (a) and (b). Reports received and drug traffickers. The ofiences have also been the available information indicate that there made cognizable and non-bailable. A sepa- have been some stray attempts to manufac- rate enactment providing for preventive ture crude morphine and heroin. In the drive detention of drug traffickers for a maximum against drug trafficking, 614 persons had period of 2 years in certain cases has also been arrested upto 30th June, 1989, includ- been brought into force. ing 8 persons, who were arrested in the course of unearthing of 5 clandestine labora- [English] tOiies emgaged in the manufacture of mor- phineiheroin. Trivandrum Model Railway Station

Thetotal quantity of various drugs seized 1637. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the during this year (upto 30th June) are given Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state:- below: (a) whether the project regarding the Name of drug ory. (kgs) construction of the 'Trivandrum' model Rail- way Station has been completed; (Provisional) (b) if so, the details thereof; and 1. Opium 576 (c) if not, the reasons for delay? 2. Morphine 16 THE MIN ISTER OF STATE OF THE 3. Heroin 1,262 MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No. Sir. 4. Ganja 23,727 (b) Does not arise. 5. Hashish 2,531 (c) Works relating to development of 6. Methaqualone 283 T rivandrum railway station as a model station have commenced and are being taken No precise value of the drugs seized up in phases, commensurate with the availa- can be estimated or determined as this is bility of funds. dependent upon various factors like pur~y of the drug seized, place of origin, local de- Financial Assistance to States mand and supply position, etc. 1639. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Will (c) and (d). The Narcotic Drugs and the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Psychotropic Substances Act, 1985 already provided for deterrent punishments for drug (a) whether Government propose to 63 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answens 64

review the quantum of financial assistance taken from time to time to recover tax ar- given to States, especially drought-hit States rears. with particular reference to the Ninth Fi- nance Commission's recommendation; and International Container Depot at AJleppey Port In Kerala (b) if so, the details thereof? 1643. SHRI P.A. ANTONY: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. (a) whether there is any proposal to GAOHVI): (a) No. Sir. start an International Container Depot at the Alleppey port in Kerala: and (b) Does not arise. (b) if so, the details thereof? Outstanding Income Tax and Excise Duty THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. 1640. DR. B.L. SHAILESH: Will the DAS MUNSI): (a) and (b). Alleppey is one Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: of the locations recommended by Rail India Technical and Economic Services (RITES) (a) the details of individuals, Hindu un- for setting up of a Container Freight Station divided families, private and public limited in the country in its report on lOA prespective companies from whom Income-tax amount- plan for Development of Containerisation in ing to more than ten crares is outstanding as India." As setting up of Inland Container on 1 July 1989; Depot and Container Freight Station at any location is dependent upon the cargo offer- (b) the details of companies and in- ings, economic viability and the overall re- dustnal houses from whom Excise Duty to source availability, the Central Warehousing the tune at rupees ten crores and above is Corporation have been advised to conduct a outstanding as on 1 July, 1989; and detailed feasibility study.

(c) the effective steps being taken to Requirement of Locomotives recover these arrears? 1644. SHRI H.B. PATIL: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. (a) the specific requirement of loco- PANJA): (a) As on 31.3.89, there were 4- motives for the Indian Railways for the next indiViduals and 38-companies against whom five years and how do the Government plan Income tax arrear of Rs. 10 Crores or more to meet the same; was pend,qg (b) whether it is proposed to meet a (b) There are 7 companies as on part of the requirement through imports: 1.7.89 against whom Central Excise to the tune of Rs. 10 crores or above is pending. (c) if so, the details thereof; and

(c) Legal, administrative and other (d) the comparative figures of casU measures as are considered necessary are benefit ratio of the indigenous and imported 65 Written Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 66 locomotives? MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). The State has MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI made a proposal for diversion of surplus MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) The require- flood water of the Ganga and the waters of ment for Indian Railways for the next five Yamuna river to benefit the districts of years would be about 753 electric locomo- Bharatpur, Alwar and Jaipur. tives and 1129 diesel locomotives. These requirements will be met mainly by Rail- (c) The Central Water Commission ways' production units at Chittaranjan Loco- has been directed to study the matter. motive Works, Chittaranjan and Diesel Lo- comotive Works, Varanasi. Procurement of World Bank Loan for Programme under a limited number of electric locomotives Export Marketing Fund through imports and some electric locomotives from Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. is 1648. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will also planned. the Ministerof FINANCE be pleased to state:

(b) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government had taken loan from the World Bank to implement a (c) It is proposed to import about 60 programme undertheexport marketing fund; electric and about 54/40 diesels locomotives. (b) whether the World Bank has recently sanctioned credit for a second pro- (d) 18 proto-type electric locomotives grammeto be implemented under the export of 3 types of 6000 h.p. imported in 1988 are marketing fund; under cost/performance evaluation. (c) ~ so, the difference between the [ Translation] first and second programme;

Flood Water of Ganga (d) when the first programme is going to expire; and 1645. SHRIVIRDHICHANDERJAIN: Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES (e) the duration of the second pro- be pleased to state: gramme?

(a) whether Rajasthan Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have submitted a proposal to Union Govern- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS mentto provide 12 M.A.F. flood water of river IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Ganga and M.A.F. water of river Yamuna; EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes Sir.

(b) if so, the number of districts likely (b) Yes Sir. to be benefited by the above proposal; and (c) The World Bank loan of $ 250 (c) the reaction of Union Government million for the first Industrial Export (Engi- in regard thereto? neering Products) Project was for assisting the GOI in its programme to increase com- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pet~iveness and exports of manufactured MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND products, particularly in the engineering sub- 67 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written AnswelS 68 sector. The loan of $ 295 million recently (a) the number and details of 100 per approved by World Bank for the 2nd Export cent export oriented units (EOUs) in opera- Development Project is to assist ICICI, tion in Punjab; Canara Bank, Bank of Baroda and Exim Bank in financing the export oriented invest- (b) the products being exported by ment projects. them country-wise; and

(d) 31st December, 1991. (c) the foreign exchange earned by them in the last three years? (e) 6 years i.e. upto September, 1995. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Hundred per cent Export Oriented Units MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. In Punjab DAS MUNSI): (a) and (b). A statement is given below. 1649. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will (c) The total value of exports by the the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to four units during the last three years is Rs. state: 5.1 crores.

STATEMENT

S.No. Name of the Units Item of manufacture/exports

1. MIs Magnetic Information Technology Ltd., Magnetic Heads for computers & its SAS Nagar sub-assemblies.

2. MIs Incomnet India Ltd, SAS Nagar Micro Computer Display Graphic Device control

3. Mis Magnetic Information Technology Ltd., Floppy Disc. Drive SAS Nagar.

4. MIs Buckhingham Textiles, Ludhiana Readymade Garments

Country-wise details of exports are not available.

Tobacco Cultivation in Andhra Pradesh 89 and the reasons for shortfall in production, if any? 1652. SHRI SODE RAMAIAH: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. state the cultivation of tobacco in Andhra DAS MUNSI): The production of VPC to- Pradesh during 1986-87, 1987-88 and 1988- bacco in Andhra Pradesh was as under:-

Year Production (Mkgs)

Target Achievement

1986-87 92.00 97.00 1987-88 65.00 47.47 1988-89 82.00 105.62 69 Written AnswelS SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 70

The shortfall in produdion during 1987- pJeased to state: 88 was due to reduction in area under tobacco cultivation and on account of drought (a) whether the Customs Authorities and incidence of pests which resulted in have facilities to distinguish solar and non- lower yields. solar crystals;

Seizure of Silver (b) if so, the details thereof;

1654. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the (c) whether Government are a\rvare that Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: solar crystals are being imported in the name of non-solar crystals resulting in loss in import (a) whether a huge quantity of silver duty; and was recently seized from a Pakistani trawler; (d) if so, the steps taken by the Govern- (b) if so, the details thereof indicating ment in this regard? the quantity and the cost of the silver seized, the origin from where it came and the desti- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE nation for which ~ was meant; and DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. (c) the details of the persons involved in PANJA): (a) and (b). The Custom Houses this case and the action taken againstthem? do not have facilities to distinguish solar and non-solar crystals. The term 'solar crystals' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and 'non-solar crystals' do not find mention DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE in the technical literature available. Crystals MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. are natural or synthetic piezoelectric or semi- PANJA): (a) and (b). On 2.6.89 the Coast conductor materials. Piezoelectric crystalsl Guard intercepted a UAE registered trawler semi-conductors are used in electronics or 'AI-Redha'. This vessel was escorted to Port in solar cells but there is no separate classi- Blair and its search resulted in the recovery fication as solar or non-solar crystals. and seizure of contraband silver weighing 14 tonnes worth Rs. 10.00 crores (approxi- (c) and (d). No, Sir. There is no differ- mately). Investigations revealed that the ence in the import duty based on classifica- seized silver was shipped from Singapore tion as solar and non-solar crystals. and was meant to be landed near Masuli- patnam on the Andhra Coast. Conference of Chief Electoral Officers

(c). 10 Pakistani crow members have 1656. SHRI SHARAD DIGHE: been arrested and detained underthe provi- SHRI P.M. SAYEED: sions of the Conservation of Foreign Ex- change and Prevention of Smuggling Activi- Will the Minister of LAW AND JUS- ties Act. 1974. TICE be pleased to state:

Loss in Import Duty on Solar Crystals (a) whether a two-day Conference of Chief Electoral Officers was held in Tirupati 1655. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: in June, 1989; SHRI ABDUL HAMID: (b) whether the question of finalisation Will the Minister of FINANCE be of electoral rolls, introduction of electronic 71 w,/tt." Answsrs JULY 28, 1989 Written AnswelS 72 machines for voting holding of simultaneous (c) the names of ten film actors and elections to Lok Sabha and State Assem- actresses paying highest income-tax; blies, issue of ident~y cards were also discussed at the said conference; (d) the names of the film actors, actresses, film producers and distributors (c) if so, the decision taken; and against whom prosecutions for commission of penal offences under Income-tax, Wealth- (d) the reaction Of Government thereto? tax, gift-tax and Foreign Exchange Regula- tion Act are pending; and THE MINISTER O~ .STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI (e) the nature of their cases and the H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) to (d). The Election stage of their progress? Commission had convened the Conference of Chief Electoral Officers at Tirupati mainly THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to review the work done in respect of revision DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE of electoral rolls in all the States and Union MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. territories for including voters in the age PANJA): (a) to (e). Relevant details are group of 18 to 21 years and other prepara- contained in the statement given below. tory steps in respect of the general election due this year. The Conference also reviewed STATEMENT matters like setting up of polling stations, scope for introduction of mUlti-purpose iden- (a) According to the information avail- tity cards, and arrangoments such as meas- able with the Cer'ltral Board of Direct Taxes, ures to be taken for educating the voters, the ten individuals who have declared the identification of the constituencies etc. in highest income in the country are the follow- regard to the' pressing of electronic voting ing:- machines into service. The Conference did not discuss the question of holding of simUl- (1) Shri AsHwani Khurana. New taneous elections to Lok Sabha and State Delhi Assemblies. (2) Shri Inder Kumar Chawla, New The Election Commission has not yet Delhi. finalised the recommendations for further action; the question of Government reaction (3) Shri B. Raghunath Prabhu, does not arise. Mysore.

Highest Income-Tax Payers (4) ShrimatiM. Pushpalatha, Mysore

1657. SHAI SHANT ARAM NAIK: Will (5) Shri R. Kumaravelu, Coimbatore. the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (6) Shri M.A.C. Mennal, Dehradun. (a) the names of the ten highest individual income-tax payers in the country; (7) M. Suresh Rao, Mysore.

(b) the names of the ten highest in- (8) Smt. M. Arthi Shenoy, Mysore come-tax payers other than individuals in the country; (9) Janardhana Rao, Mysore. 73 Wriltrm Answers SRA VANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

(10) Smt. M. VatsalaShenoy, Mysore. India.

(b) According to the information (c) According to the information pro- avajfable with the Central Board of Direct vided to the Central Board of Direct Taxes by Taxes, the ten companies who have the Chief Commissioners of Income-tax at declared the highest income in the country Bombay, Bangalore, Calcutta and Madras, are the following:- the ten film actors and actresses who have declared the highest income are the follow- (1) Oil & Natural Gas Commission. ing:-

(2) Life Insurance Corporation of (i) Shri Dharmendra Deol. India (ii) Shri Jitendra Kapoor. (3) Karnataka State Financial Cor- poration. (iii) Shri Mithun Chakravarty.

(4) Indian Oil Corporation Ltd. (iv) Shri Amitabh Bacchan.

(5) Air India. (v) Shri Vinod Khanna.

(6) Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. (vi) Shri Anil Kapoor.

(7) State Trading Corporation of (vii) Shri Chiranjeevi. India Ltd. (viii) Shri San jay Dutt. (8) M.M.T.C. of India Ltd. (ix) Mrs. Hema Malini. (9) A.E.G. Frankfurt.

(10) International Airport Authority of (x) Shri Amrish PurL 15 Written Answers JULY 28, 198~ Written AnswetS 76

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Inter-State Control Board for Joint food processing units have been completed; Irrigation and Hydro-Electric Projects and

1658. SHRIG.S BASAVARAJU: Will (b) if so, the outcome of the discus- the Minister of WATFR RESOURCES be sions? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Inter-state control board DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS for joint Irrigation and hydro-electlrc projects IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI of Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra and Kar- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). There nataka cleared projects worth Rs. 300 crores; have been some preliminary discussions with World Bank staff for a proposed Agro (b) if so, the details thereof, proJect- Industrial Project. wise and State-wise; Non-Utilisation of Foreign Aid (c) the estimated cost of each project; and 1661. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN MO- HANTY: (d) the irrigation schemes to be covered SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- by these proJects? MOOWALlA:

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Willthe Minister of FINANCE be pleased MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND to state: MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether 2,800 crores of rupees M.M. JACOB): (a) There is no Inter-State received as foreign assistance from different Control Board for joint irrigation and Hydro- countries of the world have not been spent electric projects of Madhya Pradesh, Mahar- by Government in time; and if so, the rea- ashtra and Karnataka. sons therefor;

(b) to (d). Do not arise. (b) whether Government will face any difficulty for getting fresh financial assis- World Bank Loan for Setting up of Agro tance on account of non-spending of the based Industries assistance already received in time;

(c) if so, the details thereof; and 1659. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- WARI: (d) the steps Government have taken SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: for spending of foreign assistance in time as per the schedule? Will the Ministerof FINANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (a) whether discussions between the IN THE MINISTRY Or- FINANCE (SHRI World Bank and the Industrial Development EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). Most of Bank of India for extending a line of credit External assistance is tied to specific project through a few State financial corporations and the disbursements are therefore linked for setting up of agro based industries and to the project implementation schedule. The 85 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 pace of actual implementation varies from (b) and (c). Nearly all the messages project to project. However the loan amount were delivered tothe addressees. To ensure not utilised during a particular financial year that there is no failure, the messages are does not normally lapse and would be car- sent through teleprintersltelex/morse/cou- ried for'.vard for utilization in the subsequent rier service and regular reminders are is- years. Government have taken a number of sued till such time the replies are received. steps to accelerate the implementation of externally aided projects and the utilisation Smuggling of Electronic Items from of external assistance. Bangladesh

Message for Railway Reservation from 1664. SHRIANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Railway Board and New Oelhi Railway Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to Station state:

1663. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: (a) whether smuggling of VCRs, VCPs Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to and other electronic items from Bangladesh state: into the country is on the increase;

(a) the number of messages/wireless (b) it so, the cases of smuggling of such messages issued by the Railway Board and items detected during the last one year; and New Delhi Railway Station between 1 May and 1 July, 1989 regarding reservation of (c) the steps taken or proposed to be onward and return rail accommodation in taken to prevent the smuggling of these trains; items into the country?

(b) how many of these messages were THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE received by the addressees, with reasons DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE forthe remaining not reaching at the destina- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. tion; and PANJA): (a) and (b). Available reports and seizures made indicate that electronic goods (c) the steps taken to ensure the receipt like VCRs, VCPs etc. continue to be sensi- of messages/wireless messages by the tive to smuggling into the country from Bang- addressees? ladesh. However, since smuggling is a clandestine activity, it is not feasible to estimate THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the quantum of such goods being smuggled MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI into the country at any given time. MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) During the period between 1 st May, 1989 and 1 st July, The value of seizures of VCRs and 1989, 92,013 messages were issued by VCPs and other electronic items effected by Railway Board and I.R.C.A. ReservatIon the West Bengal Customs Preventive Col- Office, New Delhi, for arranging onward and lectorate during the year 1988 and 1989 return rail reservations in various trains. (upto June) are given in the table below:- Value of seizures (Rs. in fakhs) Year V.C.Rs. and VCPs Other Electronic goods 1988 47.68 17.53 1989 201.51 95.27 (upto June) (Figures are provisional) 87 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Writt8n Answ81$ 88

(c) The anti-smuggling drive has been [Eng/ish] intensified and the anti-smuggling machinery in the vulnerable areas of land borders Supply of Rakes to BombaV Suburban has been geared up. Close co-ordination is RallwlV maintained with all the agencies concerned in the detection and prevention of smuggling 1667. SHRI S.G. GHOLAP: Will the of goods including items like electronic goods. Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state:

[ Trans/ation] (a) the number of rakes which were required to be supplied to the Bombay sub- Sakri-Hasanpur and Darbhanga- urban railway during the last two years; Samastipur Railway Lines (b) the number of rakes actually sup- 1666. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN: plied and the reasons for not meeting the full Will the Ministerof RAILWAYS be pleased to requirement; and state: (c) the number of rakes proposed to be (a) when the survey of Sakri-Hasanpur supplied during 1989 and 1990? line and Darbhanga-Samastipurbroad gauge line was completed and the amount spent THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE thereon; MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) 22 rakes (b) whether Government propose to were planned to be supplied 10 Bombay undertake the construction of railway line suburban Railwayduring 1987-88 and 1988- between Sakri-Hasanpur in Bihar; 89.

(c) if so, the details thereof; and (b) 16 rakes were supplied during these two years. The shortfall is on account of set (d) if not, the reasons therefor? back in production programme due to teeth- ing troubles experienced in indigenous THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE manufacture of traction motors. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Survey for a (c) 16 rakes are planned to be supplied MG rail link from Hasanpur Road to SakriJn. during 1989-90 and 1990-91. was completed in 1974 at a cost of As. 1.28 lakhs. Survey for gauge conversion of Foreign Investments Samastipur-Darbhanga MG to BG was completed in 1977 at a cost of Rs. 2.20 lakhs. 1668. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: A survey for a parallel BG line from Sam as- SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: tipur to Darbhanga was also conducted in SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- 1988 at a cost of Rs. 7.07 lakhs. WARI:

(b) to (d). Due to acute constraint of Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased resources, there is no proposal, at present, to state: to take up the construction of Hasanpur Road-Sakri In. MG rail link. (a) whether direct foreign investments 39 Written Answers SRAVANA 6.1911 (SAKA) Wrrlte'7 Answers 90 would be sought to meet the country's for- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI eign exchange requirement. EDUARDO FAlEIRO) (a) Reserve Banko! India (RBI) deCided In the month of Aprtl (b) 4f so, whether the provIsions of the 1989 to inVite all local Membpfs of Parlia- Foreign Exchange Regulation Act (FERA) ment and Members of legIslative Assem- would be diluted to encourage such foreign blies to the District level ReView Committee Investments, and meetings which are to be convened by the Lead Banks In each District In the month of (c) If so, the details thereof? June and December every yaar to revlcwthe progress of Implementation of the District THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Credit Plan DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN TrlE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) and (c) Since the decIsions to Invite EDUARDO FALEIRO) (a) to (c) The baSIC all local Members of Parliament and Ml.'f1l- frame-work of our Investment policy IS laid bers of Legislative Assemblies to the DI3t riCt down In various documents including the level ReView Committee meeting was con- Industrial Policy Resolution Although It IS veyed tothe Banks In Apnl19890nlY, It IS too at an open door policy, It has a substantial early to Indicate any violation of these In- :!"gree of fleXibility It permits technical as structions ~hll JS financial collaborations over a wide r.Jnge of industrial activities It IS the Intention Foreign Trade of the Government 10 promote more direct foreign Investment within the broad frame- 1670 DR DATTA SA.MANT Will the work of thiS policy MInister of COMMERCE be pleased to state the total trade turnover with foreign Coun- Involvement of People's Representa- tries In Indian currency expected during 1989 tives in Functioning of Banks and Its break up country-wise and value- wise? 1669 SHRI V S VIJAYARAGHAVAN Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE state MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P R DAS MUNSI) It IS expected that accelera- (a) whether Ine Reserve Bank of India tion In export growth rate acnleved dUring has Issued a directive to the banks that the the last three years would be sustained elected representatives of the people should dUring the current fiscal year 1g88-89 as be Involved 111 their functions, review meel- well However, It IS not pO'5Slble to precisely Ings etc at the district level. estlmatethetotal trade turnover dUring 1989- 90, country-wise and In value terms at thiS (b) If so, whether there are complaints stage aoout the VIolation of thiS directive by the lead banks In Kerala, and Alleppey-Kayankulam (Coastal) Railw~y line (c) If so, the steps being taken to ensure strict compliance by oal1ks to the above RBI 1672 PROF P J KURIEN Will the directive? Minister of RAILWAYS be pleasea to state

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the details of the work that remains DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS to be done on the Alleppey-KayankulafTl 91 Wntten Answers JULY 28. 1989 Written Answ9rs 92

segment oi the coastal railway In Kerala; the MInister of COMMERCE be pleased to state (b) the total amount required to complete this work. and (a) the exports by the small scale and large scale sectors of industries dunng the (c) the time-frame within whICh It IS last three years, year-wise, expected to be completed? (b) whether there has been a decline In THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE exports, particularly by the small scale sec- MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI tor, MADHAVRAOSCINDIA) (a) AcqUIsition of 2 hectares of land 40% of earth work 6 (c) If so, whether Government propose major and 53 minor bndges 2 road-overbr- to encourage exports by the small scale Idges and laymg 45 6 km of track remam to sector by giVing incentives or liberaliSIng the be done export restrictions and

(b) Rs 1791 crores, beyond 1989 90 (d) If so, the details thereof?

(c) Will depend upon the availability of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE resources In the coming years MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P R DAS MUNSI) (a) The export data are Exports by Small Scale and Large Scale complied by commodity groups and not by Industries small scale and large sector-wise The total exports dunng the last three financial years 1673 SHRIMOHANBHAIPATEL Will are gIven below

(Rs crores)

198687 198788 1988-89

12451 94 1574123 20280 92 (PR) (p)

PR = PartIally ReVised

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(b) No SIT The f,gures of exports from Protectionist measures by countries the small scale sector estimated by the Of flCeofthe Development CommiSSioner, Small 1674 DR G S RAJHANS Will the Scale Industnes are available only upto 1986- MInister of COMMERCE be pleased to state 87 According to thiS data the exports from small scale sector Increased from Rs 2553 crores In 1984-85 to Rs, 2769 In 1985-86 (a) whether Government have under- and to Rs 3648 crores In 1986-87 taken a study of protectlOntst measures adopted by varIOus countries In respect of (c) and (d) Do not anse foreign trade and thelflll-effects on our county • 93 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 94

(b) whether the issue has been raised available from DGCI & S India's exports in international bodies like GA IT and if so, its amounted to Rs. 20281 crores during 1988- response thereto: 89 as compared to As. 15741 crores during 1987-88. thereby registering an increase of (c) the promotional measures embarked 29.0 percent. upon by the Government to explore new thrust areas to export: and Industrial Sickness

(d) whether any success has been 1675. DR. V. VENKATESH: Will the achieved in augmenting foreign trade? Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether sickness in the small scale MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. Industrtal sector is due to delay in providing DAS MUNSI): (a) to (d). Individual protec- timely financial assistance to these units by tionist measures having an adverse effect the nationalised banks; on our export trade are under continuous examination by the Government. The more (b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken Important of these measures are quotas on by Government in this regard; and textiles exports In USA, EEC, Canada, Nor- dic countries and Australia under the Multl- (c) whether Government propose to fibre Arrangement and anti-dumping and review the existing procedure for sanction- countervailing duties in USA on engineering ing and disburSing of loans? products. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The issue has been raised from time to DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS time in international bodies such as GAIT IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI and UNCTAD In these bodies, whenever E:DUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). It has the matter has been taken up, there has been observed that sickl"less in the small been a widely shared feeling against the scale units could be due to a variety of protectionist trends in world trade. More reasons including shortage of working capi- specifically, efforts are being made by us to tal. marketing problems, non-availability of dismantle the restrictive trade regime on raw materials, shortage of power, labour textiles and improve the position regarding troubles, faulty/obsolete technology, etc. countervailing and anti-dumping duties. Guidelines have been issued by RBI to The Government has initiated a series the banks to ensure timely and adequate of measures for promotion of exports in all sanction of working capital limits. RBI guid&- sectors including the thrust areas. These are lines, inter alia, include vesting the sufficient designed to facilitate increased capacity for discretionary powers with branch manag- export production, to upgrade technology to ers, reviews of existing delegation of power make the export sector more competitive at branch and regional office levels, posting through improved access to capital goods of officers with requisite background In areas and raw materials at or near international having potential for growth of small scale prices and by providing fiscal and monetary industries, introduction of proper monitoring incentives for exports. The impact of the mechanism, etc. Further, the State-level Inter- export promotion measures initiated has Institutional Committees are advised to also already been reflected in the higher growth discuss cases of State Financial Corpora- exports. According to the provisional data tion (SFC) assisted SSI units which are not 95 Written AnswfJrs JULY 28. 1989 Written Answers 96 getting working capital finance from banks in Budget Deficit their quarterly meetings to ensure proper coordination. 1678. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVEl.U: SHRI SRIBALLAV PANI- Branches of Bank of Maharashtra in GRAHl: Orissa and Bihar Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 1677. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL. to state: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (a) whether the Budget deficit has been brought down for 1988-89 from As. 7940 (a) the number of branches of the Bank crores to Rs. 5,800 crores: of Maharashtra In Orissa and Bihar; (b) the details of achievements in (b) whether there is any proposal to revenue collection during the year 1989; open more branches of Bank of Maharash- tra in these States; and (c) whether the indirect taxes collection was more than the target: (c) if so, the number of branches of the bank proposed to be opened in Orissa and (d) whether it is also a fact that jf the Bihar during the current financial year? deficit is further brought down the balance of payments position of the country will be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE improved: and DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHHI (e) if so, the remedial measures such as EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Re:;erve to cut down Government expenditure etc. Bank of India (RBI) has reported that allot- proposed to be taken in thiS regard? ment of identified centres to banks In rural and semi-urban areas In generally made on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the basis of their representation in the DIs- DEPARTMENTOF EXPENDITURE IN THE trict/Area with the intention to see that the MINISTRY OF FINt.NCE (SHRI B.K. banks are not burdened with Isolated/stray GADHVI): (a) According to data received branches causing difficulties in haVing effec- from Reserve Bank of India, the budgetary tive control and supervIsion over their far deficit in 1988-89 amounted to Rs. 5809 flung branches. Since Bank of Maharashtra crores as against the Revised estimate of does not have any branch in rural and semi- Rs. 7940 crores. urban areas of Orissa and Bihar, RBI has not allotted any centre to Bank of Maharashtra In (b) and (c). The revenue realisation these States. Bank of Maharashtra has got under the principal heads of taxes and duties its branch at only one urban centie in BIhar. were as follows: (Rs. crores) R.E. 1988-89 Provisional actuals Increase over the R.E. Direct taxes: Corporation tax and 7930 8502 + 572 income tax Indirect taxes: 34267 34323 + 56 Customs 15812 15656 156 Union Excise duties (administered by CBEC) 18455 18667 + 212 97 Written Answers SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

(d) Balance of payments position of the Railway Hospital at Beladanga Station country is influenced by a number at fac- tares. A lower budgetary deficit helps to a 1680. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA- certain extent. Will the Mrnisterof RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (e) As a measure to contain budgetary deficit, the Ministries have bee" instructed to (a) whether the radway hospItal at Bfl- keep the expenditure within the budget pro- ladanga station on the Seilldah-Lalgola visions. Economy instructions on travel, fur- Section of Eastern Railway has not started nishings, fuel expenses, entertainment, etc. functioning; are continued this year. Ministries have also been advised to review all their schemes so {b} if so, the reasons therefor; and that low priority and Inessential schemes are cut down. (c) the time by which It IS exp8cted to start functioning? Seizure of Gold Biscuits on Delhi- Haryana Border THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI 1679. SHRI KRISHNA SINGH. W,llthe MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) to (c). The Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: construction of bUilding of health unit at 8eladanga has been completed The 1'11'01;'1111. (a) whether about 206 foreign marked unit will start functioning soon after sanck,(· gold biscuits weighing over 24 Kgs. were and placement of staff, action for which I' .. seized by officers of the Directorate of Reve- already been initiated. nue Intelligence from a Marutl car on Delhi- Haryana border in June, 1989; Expansion of Advance Flood Forecast- ing Net work Programme in Orissa (b) if so, the d3tails of the persons apprehended; and 1682. SHRIMATIJAYANTIPATNAIK: DR. PHULRENU GUHA: (c) the stage at which the prosecution DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: stands? Will the Minister of WATER RE- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SOURCES be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. (a) the number Flood forecasting sites PANJA): Yes, Sir. The Officers of the Direc- set up in the country so far; torate of Revenue Intelligence seized 206 foreign-marked gold biscuits weighing over (b) the location of these sites; 24 Kgs worth Rs. 76.88 lakhs approximately from a Maruti car on Delhi-Haryana border on 8th June, 1989. (c) whether Government have a proposal for the expansion of Advance Flood (b) and (c). Three persons namely: SI Forecasting network during the remaining Shri Mahesh Chauhan. Vijay Kumar Dharna period of the Seventh Five Year Plan; and and Sanjeev Kumar Aggarwal have been arrested. The complaint has to yet been filed (d) if so, the plan drawn up, particularly in the Court of Law. for Orissa and West Bengal? 99 Written Answers JUL Y 28, 1989 Written Answe/'S 100

Flood Relief to Assam THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND 1683. SHRI SAIFUOOIN AHMED: Will MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). In all 149 flood (a) whether the Government of Assam forecasting Stations have been set up which have submitted the statement of expendi- comprise 10 in Andhra Pradesh, 20 in As- ture in respect of the flood relief grant sanc- sam, 36 in Bihar, 2 In Oadra and Nagar tioned by Union Government to the State; Haveli, 2 in Delhi, 9 in Gujara1, 4 in Karna- and taka, 3 in Madhya Pradesh, 7 in Maharash- tra, 11 in Orissa, 31 in Uttar Pradesh and 14 (b) if so, the details thereof? in West Bengal. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE INTHE (c) and (d). Yes, SIr. Out of 8 stations MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. proposed, 4 are in Andhra Pradesh, 1 In GADHVI): (a) Yes, Sir. Gujarat and 3 in Orissa. (b) The details are as under:

Approved Ceilings for Expenditure reported by flood relief the State Govt.

(Rs. in crores)

85.36* 80.15

1989-90 5.11

*includes ceilings of expenditure of Rs. (d) the guidelines, if any, being followed 6.88 crores for which extension of time for in the valuation of confiscated goods and utilisation was given upto 31.5.89. prices at which these are to be sold?

Opening of all Counters of Customs THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Shops DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. 1584. SHRI HAFIZ MOHO. SIODla: PANJA): (a) to (c). Confiscated consumer Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to goods are mainly gold in bulk to registered state: Co-operative Societies and National Con- sumers Co-operative Federation for being (a) the reasons for not keeping open all sold in turn in retail through Super Bazars, the sale counters at the Customs Retail Sahakari Bhandars, etc. Such goods are Shop on all the working days; also offered for sale to Military/PolicelPara Military canteens. A small quantity of con- (b) whether any criteria have been fixed sumer goods are also sold in retail through for sale of confiscated goods; Customs Retail Shops. Available reports indicate that in most of the Collection the (c) if so, the details thereof; and sale counters of the Customs Retail Shops 101 Written AnSW91S SRA VANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 102 are kept open for the general public on all Fund sanctioned for coastal Protection working days. H6wever, since most of the to States confiscated consumer goods are sold in bulk to National Consumers Co-operative Fed- 1686. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA eration and other registered Co-operative NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Societies to ensure quick disposal, the quan- Minister of WATER RESOURCES be tity of goods available for sale at the retail pleased to state: shops are limited and therefore opening of such sales counters on all working days (a) the amount provided by Govern- does not become necessary. ment for different States during the Seventh Plan period for coastal protection works; (d) The valuation of confiscated consumer goods is carried out by a Joint Pricing (b) the details of the protectional meas- Committee on the baSIS of the market price ures taken both in the east and west coasts; of the goods. Normal trade discounts are and offered to the bulk purchasers like the Na- tional Consumers Co-operatlve Federation (c) the specific steps taken by Govern- and other Co-operative Societies. ment to check sea-erosion in Karnataka dUring the Seventh Plan? Siding Facilities for STPC in Kayamkulam THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND 1685. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY MAN: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI pleased to state: M.M. JACOB): (a) Apart from State Plan allocations, Central Government has made (a) whether Government have receIved a provision of As. 12.5 crores under Central representation for providing Railway siding loan assistance to Kerala State. facilities for the proposed Super Thermal Power Station in Kayamkulam; (b) Among others, protectional measures included construction of sea walls, (b) If so, whether the request has been revetments and strengthening of existing acceded to; and sea walls.

(c) it not. the stage at which it IS pending (c) While Centre gives technical guid- and time by which it is expected to be cleared? ance through Beach Erosion Board. it is for the State Government to formulate. execute THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE and maintain the coast protection works. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. Exportsto~dones~

(b) and (c). The proposal is being examined in consultation with National Thermal 1687. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: Power Corporation, Kerala State Electricity Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased Board & Planning Commission. The pro- to state: posal is at preliminary stage and the party has yet to pay the survey charges for the (a) whether there is further scope for siding faCIlities. exports to Indonesia; , 03 Written Answers JULY 28. 1989 Written Answers 104

(bl If so, whether the possibility has (d) the names of the companies from been explored by Government. and where these coolers have been purchased and average cost of each cooler; and (c) If so. the detailS thereof together with the Items proposed to be exported? (e) the number of coolers purchased so fnf. and their pnces, zone-wise? THE MINISTl-R OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P H THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir MINISTRY OF RAILWAY (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) and (c). DUring the second Senior OffiCials meetings on Economic and Trade (b) Presently trials are in progress In Relations between India and IndoneSia In three 2nd class coaches of Tamil Nadu August. 1988 and also In the second Indo- Express for electriC power operated water IndoneSia Jomt Business Council meeting In coolers and In two coaches of shan-e-PunJt.1b November. 1988. the possibility for exports Express With cooiers directly driven from of the following products from India to Indo- coach axle nesia was underlined (c) Rs. 24 lakhs approxlinately. Textile machinery, non-electric power generating machmery, pumps and compres- (d) sors. railway equipment, food processing (1) Mis Sriram Refrigeration, Hyderabad, machinery. automotive parts and compo- for electrically operated water coolers at an nents, basIc chemicals, dyes and dye-stuffs. approximate cost of Rs. 25,5001- plus taxes alumina, Iron ore pellets, yarn, cotton fabncs each. etc. (2) Mis Greysham & Co.lDelhl for the [ TranslatIon] type directly driven from coach axle at an approximate cost of Rs. 28,5001- plus taxes Installation of Coolers in 2nd Class each. Coaches (e) Six electricity operated water cool- , 689. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: ers for Southern Railway at an approximate Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to cost of Rs. 25,5001- plus taxes each and state: sixty axle driven water coolers for Northern Railway at an approximate cost of As. 28,500 (a) whether Government have taken a plus taxes each. decision to instal water coolers for providing cold water in all the 2nd class coaches of Salaries of Himachal Pradesh Govt. trains; Employees

(b) if so, the names of the trains in which , 690. SHRI KD. SULTANPURI: Will this facility has since been provided and the the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: names of other trains where it is proposed to be provided by 31 August, 1989: (a) whether rt is fact that the salaries of employees of Himachal Pradesh Govern- (c) the estimated cost to be incurred ment are at par with those of Punjab Govern- during the current year. ment employees; 105 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

(b) whether It IS also a fact that the DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE salanes of employees of Himachal Pradesh MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. Government are increased the same ratio as PANJA): (a) Dunng thepenod from 1.4.1987 those of Punjab Government employees: to 30.6.1989 the Income-tax Depaltment conducted 2140 searches in Gujarat Prime- (c) If so, whether Himachal Pradesh facie unaccounted asset5 seized dUring these Government have demanded any funds from searches were of approx value of Rs 37.96 Union Government lor payment of Increased crores salaries; and (b) As the number of cases IS large, it IS (d) if so, details thereof? not practicable to furnish the Information sought. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE (c) Appropriate follow-up action, as MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. called for under the Direct Enactments is GADHVI): (a) Yes, Sir. taken In all the cases mentioned at (a}above.

(b) Yes, Sir. [English)

(c) Yes, Sir Construction of Checker Dams in Kerala (d) Assistance at Rs. 53 crore and Rs. 26 crore had been sought by the Govern- 1692. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will the mentof Himachal Pradesh fortheyear 1988- MInister of WATER RESOURCES be 89 and 1989-90 respectively for the addi- pleased to state: tional impact of revision of salaries and related items. (a) whether Government of Kerala has sent any proposal to Union Government for Income Tax Raids in Gujarat financial assistance for the construction of checker dams in Kerala; and 1691. SHRI CHHITUBHAI GAM IT: Will the Ministerof FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) If so, the action taken thereon?

(a) the number of income-tax raids THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE conducted in Gujarat from 1987 till June, MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND 1989 and the benami amount seized there- MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY from; OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). Government of (b) the names of businessmen, compa- Kerala had submitted a Project report for nies contractors and builders found to be completion of on-going Minor Irrigation having benami amoun~ and the extent of the schemes and construction of new schemes benami amount concealed by them; and at a cost of Rs. 100 crores which also included construction of check dams. Project (c) the action taken against these tax was posed for financial assistance with the evaders? Dutch Government, but the Technical Ap- praisal Mission of the Dutch Government has not agreed to, taking up this project, THE M1NISTER OF STATE IN THE Including construction of check dams. 107 Written AnswslS JULY 28. 1989 Written AnsW8IS 108

Pend1ng Pay Fixation cases (a) whether adequate customs facilities are not available at the Nhava-Sheva Port 1693. SHRI HAROOBHAI MEHTA: Will and the exporters and importers have to face the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: lot of difficulty.

(a) the number of cases for fixation of (b) if so. whether Government propose pay of employees or for removing various to set up a full-fledged Customs House at anomalies in fixation 01 pay etc. referred to Nhava-Sheva Port; his Ministry by various Departments of Govemment 01 India during the last one (c) if so, by when and if not, the reasons year; therefor; and.

(b) the number of cases pending deci- (d) the steps proposed to be taken to sion for more than six months; and provide adequate facilities for Customs clearance? (c) the reasons for delay In deciding these cases and the time by which these THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cases are likely to be finalised? DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE ~ THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PANJA): (a) Adequate customs facilities DEPARTMENTOFEXPENDITUREINTHE have been made available at Nhava-Sheva MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI N.K. Port. The exporters and importers are not GADHVI): (a) to (c). The various Mlnistriesl facing any difficulty for want of customs Departments of the Government of India facilities. make references to the Ministry of Finance as well as to the Ministry of Personnel, Public (b) A full-fledged Custom House is Grievances and Pensions on alleged anoma- already functioning at Nhava-Sheva Port. lies in fixation of pay and their removal and also seek clarifications in the matter of appli- (c) Do not arise. cation, intrepretation etc. of Rules and Regu- lations relating to fixation of Pay. The Minis- try of FinancelMinistry of Personnel, Public Indo-USSR Chamber of Commerce Role Grievances and Pensions tender advice to in Exporting Indian Products the concerned referring Ministries/Oepart- ments within the ambit of the relevant Rules 1696. SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD or Regulations. In cases where anomalies YOGESH: Will the Minister of COMMERCE exist. the same are also resolved. Some be pleased to state: cases are also dealt with by different administrative MinistrieslDepartments. It is not (a) the role played by the Indo-USSR possible to maintain statistics of all such Chamber of Commerce in exporting Indian cases. products to foreign countries;

Customs Facilities at Nhava-Sheva Port (b) how many items are listed by the Chamber for export and quality already exported; 1694. SHRI BANWARI LAl PUROHIT: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (c) whether some handicrafts and state: mineral products from Bihar State have been 109 Written AnSW91S SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 110 considered for exports, and (in Rs. crores)

(d) if so, the details thereof and the Year Total trade turnover progress made in this regard? 1986-87 9277.15 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. 1987-88 (P) 11416.41 DAS MUNSI): (a) to (d). The Indo-USSR Chamber of Commerce and Industry is a 1988-89 (P) 13643.05 business association engaged in promotion of Indo-Soviet trade. The chamber is a trade P-Provisional (Source promotional body c;nd is not a trading organi- DGCI&S) sation. (b) In 1988-89, India's trade with Fed- The Indo-Soviet Trade Plan between eral Republic of Germany (FAG) was the the two countries is negotiated and con- largest among the EEC countries. India's cluded at Government level on a calendar total exports to FAG during that year were year basis. T"e trade plan is drawn up on the valued at Rs. 1235.21 crores as per provi- basis of the country as a whole and no sional figures available with OGCI & S. Main statewise sub-plan is provided for. Handi- items of export f10m India to FRG are- crafts and minerals and ores are items al- textiles and garments. leather and leather ready included in the list of exports in the products, carpets, precious and semi-pre- Trade Plan. cious stones, tea and coffee, etc. Main items imported by India from FAG include electro- [ Trans/ation] technIcal goods, iron and steel sheets and plates, machine tools including rolling mill Trade Turnover witi'1 EEC construction machinery, machinery for textiles, leather and leather goods industry, etc. 1697. SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to [English] state: Irrigation Schemes of Kerala (a) the total annual turn-over of India with the countries of European Economic 1698. SHRI T. BASHEER: Community (EEC); and SHRI K. MOHANDAS:

(b) the country of EEC with which Will the Minister of WATER RE- India's trade is maximum and name of the SOURCES be pleased to state: items imported from that country, annual export from India to that country indicating (a) the total number of irrigation the main items of export? Schemes sanctioned in Kerala during 1988- 89;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the names of irrigation schemes in MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. Kerala still pending for clearance with Union DAS MUNSI): (a) India's total trade turnover Government; with EEC countries during the last three years has been as follows: (c) the reasons therefor; 111 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 112

(d) whether the Government of Kerala Currency during the last three financial years has requested the Union Government for the is as under: early clearance of such schemes; and 1986-87 -NIL (e) if so, what action has been taken in this regard? 1987-88 - I, ;)anese Yen 14 billion (J. Yerl ~bilhondrawn in US $and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the balar.ce in Japanese Yen) MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY 1988-89 -J. Yen 20 billion OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) No irrigation scheme was (c) The proceeds of the loan are being sanctioned during 1988-89. utilised for onlending to borrowers for meeting their foreign currency requirements in (b) Only one major irrigation project, setting up industries. namely, Chimoni Irrigation Project. Trade with U.S.S.R. (c) The State Government is requiredto comply with the comments of Central Water 1700. SHRI SRIBALlAV PANIGRAHI: Commission including finalisation of esti- Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased mates. to state:

(d) and (e). Do not arise. (a) whether Government have taken steps to expand trade relations with USSR; Japanese Credit to IFel (b) if so, the details of the areas in which 1699. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: Will Indo-USSR trade has been expanded; the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (c) whether Government have identi- (a) whether the Industrial Finance fied some new areas for the expansion of Corporation of India ('FC') has been taking trade between both the countries; and loan from the foreign countries; (d) if so, the details thereof? (b) it so, the total amount of loan taken by the IFel from Japan during the last three THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE years; and MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI): (a)to (d). Having regard to the (c) the purposes for which the Japa- decision mutually reached between the two nese loan has been taken by the IFCI? Governments in 1986 that the Indo-Soviet trade should be ircreased by 2 112 times THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE over a period of five years, various steps are DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS being taken by the Government to expand IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI and diversify the structure of the bilateral EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. trade. In the export list, provisions have been increased in respect of items like tea, instant coffee, Coffee, Soyabeen extractions, ready- (b) The total amount of foreign currency made garments, shoe uppers, chemicals, loan sanctioned to IFCI in Japanese Yen medicines and pharmaceutical preparations, 113 Written Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Wrhten Answers 114 dyestuffs and intermediates, pesticides and MiNISTRY OF RAILWAYS {SHRI hocbicides. paints and varnishes, tooth paste, MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. linoloum, glazed tiles, mineral items, storage batteries, polygraphic equipment, iron and (b) A statement of important improve- steel castings, food processing and dairy ment is given below. equipment, etc. New items have been added such as non-forrous castings and forgings, (c) and (e). Facility of providing water castings for Railways, abrasive goods, ana- coolers for cold drinking water in coaches is lyzers for quality control of agricultural prod- being introduced on trial basis. ucts, machinery and equipment for the textile, sewing and leather industries, sports (d) In sleeper coaches water containers shoes, razor blades, ship repairs, compo- are provided in which cold drinking w •.ter is nents for tractors, detergents decorative lilled at starting stations and important sta- plastics, etc. Sim ilarly in the import list, pro- tions emoute. visions have been increased in all respect of items such as crude oil, oil products, metal STATEMENT scrap, non-ferrous metals, coking coal, wood pulp, agricultural machinery, port equipment, 1. To improve cleanliness of bath rooms, civil aviation equipment, etc. New ,terns have high pressure water jets at terminals been added such as benzene, pig iron, and enroute have been introduced. equipment and materials for the Indian Rail- ways, etc. Apart from conventional trade, 2 Water tank capacity of each lavatory on new forms of economic cooperation like broad gauge coaches has been in- production cooperation, joint ventures, coop- creased from 1272 lit res to 1820 litres eration in services sector etc. are also being and on metre gauge from 960 litres to encouraged. 1206 lit res per coach.

Passenger Amenities in Trains 3. By the end of next Financial year, all wooden seats in Second-Class Coach 1701. SHRIMATID.K. BHANDARI: Will will be converted to cushion type on the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to long distance trains. state: 4. Drinking water facilities have been pro- (a) whether Railways have provided vided on long distance trains and sta- more amenities to the passengers recently; tions.

(b) if so, the details thereof; 5. Mobile train cleaning staff has been provided on some of the long distance (c) wi1ether the facility of cold drinking trams during day journeys. water has also been provided in all the trains; 6. To reduce overcrowding and to provide (d) whether the drinking water being greater travelling comfort, First Class provided is generally not cold; and coaches are being replaced with Sec- ond A.C. Sleepers. (e) if so, the steps proposed to be taken in this regard? 7. Vestibuling is being progressively introduced on important trains for the con- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE venience of passengers. 115 Written AnswelS JULY 28, 1989 Written AnsMHS 116

8. Water coolers are being tried out for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fitment in the long distance MaiVEx· DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE press trains. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. PANJA): (a) and (b). The consignment tax Introduction of SpeclaVSeparate has not been introduced so far. The question Courtsrrribunafs by States to Decide of exempting tea from levy of such a tax, Natlona Used Banks Recovery therefore, does not arise.

1702. SHRI MUlLAPPALLY RAMA- Projects Undertaken by Railways In CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE Malaysia be pleased to state: 1704. SHRIANANTAPRASAOSETHI: (a) whether come States have intro- Willthe Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to duced special/separate courtsltribunals to state: hear and decide on cases involving recovery of loans advanced by nationalised banks; (a) whether Government have made a proposal for modification of signalling sys- (b) if so, the names of such States and tem and dC'ubling and renewal of the tracks the details of tribunals constituted; and on certain sections of the Malaysian Rail- ways; and (c) the number of cases disposed of by these courts and over what period of time? (b) if so, the details thereof and reaction of Malaysian Government thereto? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Reserve Bank of MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). No, India (RBI) has reported that it is not aware Sir, the Government have made no proposal of any States having introduced special/ but Indian Railway5 Construction Company separate courtsltribunals to hear and decide (IRCON) who are already executing a Rs. on cases involving recovery of loans ad- 100 erore work of track renewals in Malayan vanced by nationalised banks. Railways have submitted a proposal for rehabilitation and upgradation of their sig- (b) and (c). Do not arise. nalling and telecommunication system cost- ing approximately Rs. 80 crores. Exemption of Taa from Consignment Tax Late Running of Neelachal Express and Purl Express 1703. SHRI MULLAPALLY RAMA- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE 1705. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will be pleased to state: the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) whether the State of Kerala and/or other State Governments have been asked (a) whether 175 UP/176 On Neelachal to exempt tea from consignment tax; and Express and 915 Up/916 On Puri-New Delhi super fast ExpresslNew Delhi-Puri Neela· (b) if so, the response of each State chal Superfast Express are running late even Government? after revival of the previous timings; 117 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Writt9ll AnsMH'S 11 B

(b) if so, the reasons thereof; 1989 and the comparative figures for Punjab and Haryana; (c) whether Government have received any complaints in this regard; if so, the (b) whether the figure excludes the details thereof; and branches opened in the urban areas covered by Municipal Committees and Notified (d) the steps being taken thereon? Area Committees; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) if so, whether more branches of the MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI nationalised banks would be opened in the MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Punc- State during the Seventh Five Year Plan so tuality of PurilNeelachal Expresses has not as to provide better banking facilities under been satisfactory due to miscreants' activi- the Designated Service Area Approach as ties including alarm chain pulling, agitations distances in Hill States like Himachal Pradesh and certain equipment failures. do not provide a reliable norm forthe service by a branch, in view of the difficult geographi- (c) Some complaints have been re- cal terrain and the preponderance of moun- ceived about late running. tains, forests and streams?

(d) Monitoring to control the avoidable THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE time losses, is being strenthened. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Opening of Bank Branches in Himachal EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b) Data Pradesh reporting system of Reserve Bank of India (RBI) does not generate information regard- 1706. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- ing average area covered by a branch of ASHAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE be nationalised bank in rural area. However, pleased to state: the total area of the three States of Himachal Pradesh, Punjab and Haryana, their total (a) the average area served by the number of bank branches as on 31.12.1988 branch of a nationalised bank in the rural and the average area covered by a bank areas In Himachal Pradesh as on 31 March, branch in these States are as under:-

Name of State Total area in Total No. of branches of all Average area Sq. Kms. banks including Regional covered by a Rural Banks as on 31. 12. 1988 branch

Himachal Pradesh 55673 651 85.51 Sq. Kms.

Punjab 50362 2072 24.20

Haryana 44222 1239 35.69

The UrbanlMunicipalINotified areas as per RBI classification for the purpose of have been included in the above figures in Branch Banking Statistics. respect of Punjab and Haryana. There are no urban bank areas in Himachal Pradesh, (c) Under the current Branch Licensing 119 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 120

Policy 011985-90 co-terminus with Seventh evisages that more emphasis should be laid Five Year Plan Period, RBI has allotted 163 on consolidation of existing RRBs rather centres to various banks for opening than opening of new RRBs. branches in Himachal Pradesh. In addition, RBI has allotted 36 branches in Himachal Opening of new RRBs is therefore Pradesh under Service Area Approach to considered on a selective basis. Districts rural lending. While allotting the centres to with concentration of Scheduled Castes! banks, RBI has adopted the norms of 10,000 Scheduled Tribes population are given pref- population per bank office for hilly States like erence for opening new RRBs. Even in suct"l Himachal Pradesh as against 17,000 popu- areas, the opening of new RRBs will be lation per bank office for other States. It has considered taking into account branch net- also been ensured that a rural branch is work in the area and the scope for further normally available within a distance of 10 branch expansion, concentration of target kms. from every village. groups, credit gap, prospective viability of the RRB with reference to scope of business Opening of Regional Rural Banks in the area and the strength of existing cooperative credit structure in the area A detailed 1707. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- survey is carried out by the concerned State ASHAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE be Government and the Sponsor Bank for as- pleased to state: certaining the need and potential for opening a new RRB or for extending the coverage of (a) the names of the districts covered by an existing RRB. thG regional rural banks as on 30 June, 1989; (d) Does not arise. (b) whether any programme to cover the remaining districts by the regional rural Urgency Certificates for Completion of banks has been formulated by extending the On-Going Projects coverage of regional rural banks to the neighbouring and left out districts or by opening 1708. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- new regional rural banks; ASHAR: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (c) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether the Railways Board has (d) if not, the reasons therefor and the Issued any urgency certificates for the con- likely date by which the steps would be taken struction of new railway 'inps/conversion to coverthe remaining districts of each State? projects during the Seven~h Plan upto 31 March, 1989 zone-wise aiong with names of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE such projects and the dates on which they DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS have been issued: IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO)· (a) The mformatlon (b) the latest progress of the construc- is being collected and the same will be laid tion in case of each such project, the expen- on the Table of the House. to the extent diture incurred so far and the likely date by available. which the projects would be completed;

(b) and (c). The new policy based on the (c) wheth':)r any priority is being given to recommenda1ions made by the Kelkar the construction of these projects in view of Committee on Regional Rural Banks (RRBs) the urgency certificates; and 121 Written AnswelS SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

(d) if so, the nature thereof and if not, uninational campaign for value- the reasons therefor? added teas;

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 3. CCS on tea bags, packet tealtea MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS lSHRI caddies, instant tea and quick brew- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) to (d). The ing black tea has been allowed; information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of !he Sabha. 4. To counter misbranding of other teas as Oarjeeling teas, a 10 go for Popularisation of Indian Tea in Foreign Oarjeeling tea has been launched; Countries 5. Teabagshavebeenexemptedfrom 1709. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: excise duty; Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: 6. Customs duty on filter paper used in manufacture of tea bags has (a) the amount annually to popularise been abolished; Indian tea in foreign countries; 7. Rebate of Excise duty on packet (b) the numberof propaganda units that tea exports; have been established abroad and in which countries; and 8. A provision of 10% of FOB realisation for advertising and promotion (c) the other measures being taken to abroad by Individual companies has boost the demand of Indian tea in foreign been sanctioned; market? 9. Small scale packeters upto a an- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE nual turnover of Rs. 1.5 crores, MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. have been exempted from Excise DAS MUNSI): (a) Tea Board has spent Rs. duty; 5.48 crores during 1987-88 and Rs. 5.23 crores during 1988-89 for tea promotion 10. Exports of tea underbond has been abroad. allowed.

(b) There are six tea promotion offices Refinancing of Housing loans by abroad, namely, In London (U.K.), Brussels National Housing Bank (Belgium), New York (U.S.A.), Cairo (Egypt). Sydney (Australia) and Kuwait. 1710. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (c) To boost the demand of Indian tea state: abroad, inter alia, the following measures have been taken ;- (a) the refinance facilities extended by the National Housing Bank, bank/institution- 1. Loan assistance to exporters ;n wise, for housing loans during 1988-89 and foreign exchange for brand promo- proposed for 1989-90; tion; (b) whether State-wise utilisation of 2. Shift from generic promotion to housing loans by each banklinstitution is 123 Wrirten Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 124 being mon~ored: and up area both in rural and urban areas are eligible for 100 per cent refinance. (c) if so, the total disbursements of housing loans, refinanced by the National Reserve Bank of India has reported that Housing Bank, State-wise? banks have been advised recently to provide housing finance statistics State-wise with THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE effect from 31 st March, 1989. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI National Housing Bank has reported EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). National that upto June, 1989 refinance to the extent Housing Bank (NHB) has reported that refi- of Rs. 40,0001- has been disbursed to one nance schemes have been recently intro- scheduled private sector bank and Rs. 95.98 duced in respect of direct housing loans lakhs to two housing finance companies. sanctionad by the following: Optic Fibre Communication System i) Scheduled Commercial Banks, 1711. SHRI LAKSHMf.N MALLICK: ii) Scheduled State Cooperative Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Banks, state:

iii) Scheduled Primary (Urban) (a) whether Railways have undertaken Cooperative Banks, the execution of the project for laying optic fibre communication system along the elec- iv) State Level Apex Cooperative trified routes of the Central and South East- Housing Finance Societies, ern Railways; and

v) Housing Finance Companies, (b) if so, the details thereof? and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE vi) Karnataka State Agricultural and MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI Rural Development Bank. MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Optic Fibre Cable communication sys- The specified housing loans sanctioned by tem is being adopted for Nagpur-Itarsi and these institutions on or after 1 st January, Itarsi-Bhusaval sections of Central Railway 1989 are eligible for refinance. The housing and Nagpur-Durg section of South Eastern loans sanctioned upto Rs. 50,0001- per bor- Railway. rower (with a built up area not exceeding 40 sq. mts) are eligible for 100 per cent refi- Incentives to Export Houses in Small nance. The area ceiling is relaxable in rural Sea Ie Sector areas provided the cost of housing unit does not exceed Rs. 65,0001-. The housing loans 1712. SHRI LAKSHAMAN MALLICK: above Rs. 50,0001- but below Rs. 1 lakh per Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased borrower in urban areas for built up area not to state: exceeding 40 sq. mts. are also eligible for refinance but the same is restricted upto Rs. (a) whether Government has introduced 50,0001- only. Loans upto Rs. 30,0001- per a fast track scheme for grafting incentive to borrower granted towards upgradation in- export housesltrading houses and. other cluding major repairs irrespective of the built exporters in all small scale sector; and 125 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

(b) if so, the details regarding the form taxes by a single tax, it would be difficult to of the incentives being given in this regard? implement the scheme In the present stage of development of the country. Further, it THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE would not be possible to operate such a tax MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. within the existing framework 01 the Consti- DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. tution.

(b) The main objective of the scheme is [ Trans/ation) to dispose of applications of 'Star Exporters' with a greater sense of urgency so as to Production of Tea enable them to improve their export pertorm- ance further. 1714. SHRI Bft.LWANT SINGH RA- MOOWALlA: Will the Minister of COM- Introduction of VAT MERCE be pleased to state:

1713. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the (a) whether the production of tea is less Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: this year than the last year;

(a) whether Government's attention (b) if so, the extent of fall in the produc- r:as been drawn to the views of the Federa- tion of tea; tion of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry regarding introduction of Value (e) the reasons therefor: Added Tax (VAT); (d) whether Government have taken (b) if so, the details of the proposal and any effective steps to check the further fall in reaction of Government thereto; production; and

(c) whether the proposed taxation sys- (e) if so, the details thereof? tem would make it easy to determine tax on final products; and THE MINISTER OF ST.A IE 'N THE MINISTRY OF COMMLRCE (SHRI P.R. (d) the other benefits likely to accrue on DAS MUNSI): (a) io iC). Production of tea in mtroduction of VAT? the country d:mng January-May. 1989 was lower as compared 10 ~he corresponding

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE period last year due to adverse I.... ea~hflr DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE conditions panicularly in southern India. The MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. extent of decline in tea production dur!nq PANJA): (a) to (d). The suggestion to re- January-May, 1989 IS estimated at 21.9 :"t place all indirect taxes in the country by a Kgs over the same period last year. comprehensive value added tax. (VAT) was made in a background paper prepared by (d) and (e}. Tea is mainly a rain fed crop. the Federation of Indian Chambers of Com- With a view to pn de f\.r ad~c, ... ;lte irrigation merce and Industry (FIGel) in connection facilities. The Tea Board and Commercial with a workshop organised by the Federa- Banks are extending loans to t~a ~states for tion recently. Though there may be some creation of irrigation facilities in tea gardens. merits in VAT in a smuch as it could lead to With the on-set of rains the production of tea the elimination of cascading effects of taxa- is expected to pick up during the remaining tion by the replacement of different indirect part of the year. 127 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 128

[English] last 3 years and foreign exchange earned therefrom? Export of Alcohol and Molasses

1715. SHRt P.R. KUMARAMANGA· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE LAM: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHAt P.R. pleased to state: DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(a) whether alcohol and molasses are being exported; and (b) The export figures in respect of Ethyl Alcohal and molasses for last 3 years are (b) if so, 1he quantum of exports during reproduced below:-

Exports

Ethyl Alcohol Molasses

Year Ofy. Value Oty. Values (Lak MT) (Rs. /akhs) (lak MT) (Rs. Jakhs)

1987-88 Nil Nil Nil Nil

1988-89 0.18 799 1.15 726

(Source: State Trading Corporation of India)

[ Trans/ation] before inclusion in the Eighth Plan, the existing programmes Including subsidies will have Policy on Subsidies to be evaluated to ascertain whether value for money is being obtained, whether the 1723. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR desired results could be achieved at a lesser TRIPATHI: Will the Minister of FINANCE be cost by betier targetting, consolidation of pleased to state: multiple programmes. and greater decentralisation linked to mobilisation of local re- {J) wl1ethe~ In view of the Increasing sources. burden of subsides Gover:lf11ent propose to review its poil~y on subsidies: and [English]

(b) jf nOl, the reasons therefor? Foreign Exchange Reserves

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1728. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. state: GADHVI): (a) and (b). In his Budget speech, the Finance Minister has already stated that (a) the foreign exchange reserves in 129 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 130 terms of rupees and SDRs separately; as on Foreign JOan Export 1 April, 1987, 1988 and 1989; OLltstanding earnings

(b) the minimum level of reserves in 31.3.1987 16.86% 64.85% rupees and SDRs during the financial years 1987-88 and 1988-89; and 31.3.1988 14.13% 48.82%

(c) the percentage that foreign ex- 31.3.1989 10.23% 34.71% change reserves at the end of financial year form the total foreign loan outstanding on Assistance by Banks to SchedUled that date and of the total export earnings castes and Scheduled Tribes In Orissa during the preceding financial year as on the 1 April, 1987, 1988 and 1989? 1729. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will the Mtnister of FINANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (a) the names of the commercial banks IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI in Orissa which have provided certain per- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) The foreign centage of loans to people belonging to exchange reserves excluding gold and SDRs, Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes as on 1st April, 1987, 1988 and 1989 are under 20-Point Programme as per the in- Indicated below:- structions issued to different banks by Gov- ernment; Rs. Crores SDR million (b) whether some banks have failed to 1st April 87 7645 4608 implement the programme; and

1st April 88 7287 4050 (c) if so, the names of those banks in Orissa and the action proposed to be taken 1st April 89 6605 3269 by Government in this regard?

(b) The minimum level of month end THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE foreign exchange reserves during 1987-88 DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS and 1988-89 were as follows:- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). The Re- Rs. Crores SDR million serve Bankof India has reported that, in view of the diverse nature of activities covered 1987-88 6813 4011 under 'New 20 Point Programme' (TPP) and (as on 31. i .88) In the absence of c :rete schemes in respect of each point, thbre are no fixed targets 1988-89 5708 3180 earmarked for the banks for the TPP as a (as on 28.2.89) whole or for each point thereunder. Further the present data reporting system does not also provide information in the man ner asked (c) The level of foreign exchange re- for. serves as percentage of total foreign loan outstanding and toral export earnings at the However, data relating to all scheduled end of preceding 3 years was as follows:- commercial banks' advances under New 20 131 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 132

POint Programme 1'1 the State ot Orissa and advancing loans for several years to U.P. the relative figure under the point 'J:.Jstice to State for Social Housing Schemes, U.P. SC/ST as at tr.e end of June, 1988 are State Electricity Board, U.P. State Road furnished below·- Transport Corporation, U.P. Jal Nigam for Water Supply and Sewerage Scheme and (Amount in Rs. crores) U.P. State Apex Co-operative Housing Fi- nance Society. Amount under TPP Under the Point (b) and (c). Except for the loan to the JUStlCP to Apex Co-operative Housing Finance Soci- SC/ST ety, all other loans to the borrowing agencies mentioned above are advanced on the basis Balance Balance of the annual allocations made by the Plan- outstanding outstanding ning Commission. Application for loan to U.P. Apex Co-operative Housing Finance Orissa 267.35 68.57 Society is considered on merits by LlC, as this IS under non-plan sector. The advances under the pornt 'Justice to SC/ST' constituted 25.6 percent of the Ramnagar-Marchula-Chokhutia Railway total advances under 20 POint Programme. Line The performance of banks under TPP in Orissa is considered to be satisfactory. 1731. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Ministerof RAILWAYS be pleased to referto [ Translation] the reply given on 3 March, 1989 to Unstar- red Question No. 1405 regarding the pro- Lie Assistance for Development Work posed construction of Ramnagar-Marchula- in Uttar Pradesh Chokhutia rail line and state:

1730. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Willthe (a) whetherthe survey is expected to be Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: completed this year; and

(a) the number of departments, public (b) if not, the likely date of its comple- undertakings, corporations, bodies and fi- tion? nancial institutions in Uttar Pradesh which have requested the Life Insurance Corpora- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tion to give loans for development works MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI during the last three years; MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No, Sir.

(b) whether these requests have been (b) Survey is expected to be completed accepted/rejected: and by March, 1992.

(c) if so, the details thereof together with Diamo~d Cutting Centre at Haldwani the reasons therefor? U.P.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1732. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Ministerof COMMERCE be pleased to state: IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO F4l E!80L (a! lIC has beer. (a) whethe~ there t<- discontentmpp'" 133 Written Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 13~ amonget the staff working at diamond cut- Lok Sabha on 10.5.1989. It is already beer. ting centre at Haldwani-Nainital, Uttar taken up tor discussion. The Bill has pro- Pradesh; posed that the Head Office of the SIOBI will be at Lucknow or such other place as ttil" (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and Central Government may by Notiflcatlol' specify. (c) the steps proposed to be taken in this regard? Export of Basmati Rice

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1734. SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. MOOWALlA: Will the Minister of COM- DAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). The Diamond and MERCE be pleased to state: Gem Development Corporation (DGDC) is a company established under section-25 of (a) whether for several years the coun- the Indian Companies ACI which has re- try has been exporting Basmati rice on a ported that it is developing a Gem Park at large scale; Haldwani, U.P. The Chairman DGDC has reported that there was an agitation by some (b) if so, the quantity of Basmati rice discontented trainees earlier which was, exported during last year and the price it however, immediately called off on his inter- fetched; vention. It is reported that these trainees demanded payment of stipend, hostel acco- (c) the share of Punjab in the tot modation, guaranteed employment transfer exports of Basmati rice; of an official etc. (d) whether Government have allowcc Setting up of Small Industries Develop- certain exemption to the primary exportel ~ . ment Bank (e) if so, the details thereof: 1733. SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- MOOWALlA: Will the Minister of FINANCE (f) if not, the reasons for not giving the be pleased to state: exemption; and

(a) whether an announcement was (g) whether Government propose to made in the Central Budget for 1988-89 to reconsider this matter? set upa Small Industries Development Bank; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the proposed location and the MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. reasons for delay in setting up the bank; and DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(c) the time by which the Bank is likely (b) The quantum of expol1 of Basmati to be set up? rice during 1988-89 is estimated at 3.49,687 Tonnes valued at Rs. 333.53 crores. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOfv11C AFFAIRS (c) State-wise share in export is not IN THE MINISTRY or: FI;~/\NCE (SHRI maintained. EDUARDO FALEIRO): \J I to \r. :... £

(1) and (g). Do not arise. amy.

[English] [English]

Fiscal Deficit Lalitpur-Khajuraho Railways Line

1735. SHRI H.B. PATIL: Will the Min- 1736. SHRIMATI VIDYAVATI ister of FINANCE be pleased to state: CHATURVEDI: Will the Minister of RAil- WAYS be pleased to state: (a) whether the Aid India Consortium of the World Bank has cautioned India to con- (a) whether survey work with regard to tain the fiscal deficit; Lalitpur, Khairada via Tikamgarh, Chhatar- pur, Khajuraho railway line has been started; (b) the position of the fiscal deficit of the country during the last three years, year- (b) if so, the details thereof; and wise; and (c) if not, the time by which it is likely to (c) the steps Government propose to be started? take to contain the fiscal deficit and reduce the pressure on the balance of payments? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) to (c). Survey DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS for Lalitpur Singrauli railway line via Chhatar- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI pur-Khajuraho-Sidhi has been approved in EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) At the India 1988-89. The Survey would be taken in hand Consortium meeting held in Paris in June soon after monsoons this year. 1989 Members appreciated the progress achieved by Government of India in reduc- [English] ing the budgetary deficit. Some of them however said that they looked forward to Frequency of Jammu-Rajkot Weekly further improvement in this direction. Train

(b) The budgetary deficit of the Central 1737. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN Government amounted to Rs. 8261 crores in RAMJIBHAI MAVANI: Will the Minister of 1986-87, Rs. 5816 crores in 1987-88 and RAILWAYS be pleased to state: according to data received from Reserve Bank of India, Rs. 5809 crores in 1988-89. (a) whether Railways have received requests to convert long distance Jammu- (c) Government has initiated several Rajkot weekly train into a daily train due to measures to contain budgetary deficit. These increasing rush in the said train; and include measures to maintain the buoyancy of tax revenue collection, prevent evasion of (b) if so, action taken by Government taxes and contain the growth of low priority thereon? and non-developmental expenditure. A compression of the present scale of fiscal THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE imbalance would contribute towards improve- MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI ment in the balance of payments by narrow- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). ing the savings-investment gap of the econ- Requests for increase in its frequency have 137 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 been received. However, the bi-weekly 1811 RAMJIBHAI MAVANI: Will the Minister of 182 Sarvodaya Express, weekly 997/998 RAILWAYS be pleased to state: Hapa-Jammu Tawi Express and 4 days a week 171/172 Bombay-Jammu Tawi Ex- (a) whether the existing train service on press run on a combined path between Rajkot-Bombay route is not sufficient to cope Vadodara-Jammu Tawi. It is, therefore, with the increasing traffic on this route; operaticnally not feasible to increase its frequency. (b) if so, whether Government propose to introduce moretrains and to convert weekly Increase In Quota of Berths at Rajkot trains to daily trains to provide relief to the Junction travelling public; and

1738. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN (c) if not, the reasons therefor? RAMJIBHAI MAVANI: Will the Mini5>ter of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI (a) whether Government have received MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No, Sir. representations for increase in quota of berths at Rajkot junction on different trains; (b) and (c). Do not arise.

(b) if so, the details thereof; and Report of Railway Safety Commission on Perumon Railway Accident (c) the decision taken thereon? 1740. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of RAIL- MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI WAYS be pleased to state: MADHAVRAO SCINDlA): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the Railway Safety Com- (b) Three representations have been mission has submitted its final inquiry report received for allotment/enhancement of res- on the train accident near Peru man (Kerala) ervation quotas by 151 Rajdhani Express, on 8 July, 1988; 25 Deluxe Express, 28 Marwar-Ranakpur Express, 8 Ahmedabad-Bombay Janta (b) if so, findingsofthecommissionwith Express, 506 Ashram Express, 903 Rajkot- regard to the causes of the accident; and Trivandrum Express, 931 Rajkot-Hydera- bad Express and 171 Bombay-Jammu Tawi (c) the reaction of the Government Express trains. thereto and the follow-up action taken thereon, ff any? (c) Due to limited availability of accommodation and heavy pressure on quotas at THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE other intermediate stations, it is difficult to MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI make any adjustments with a view to allot! MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. enhance any quota at Rajkot by the above mentioned trains. (b) According to the Commissioner of Additional Trains on Bombay-Rajkot Railway Safety, Southern Circle who con- Route ducted the inquiry, this accident was the result of a tornado having struck at the bridge 1739. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN just as the train was going over it. 139 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 140

(c) The Government has decided to set (b) if so, the reascns for delay and the up a Special Committee of Experts to exam- time by which these are likely to be cleared? ine the Final Report of the Commissioner of Railway Safety, Southern Circle. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ~INISTRYOFV;:' ER RESOURCESANC National Water Grid for Equal Distribu- MINISTER OF : . '\ TE IN TH!: MINISTRY tion of Water to States OF PARLIAMEf-.j I AHY AFFAIRS (SHRI M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). Both Sidhmukh 1741. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- and Nohar irrigation projects have been found CHANDRAN: to be techno-economically viable by the SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Central Water Commission. The Rajasthan Governme"t has been advised to get the Will the Minister of WATER RE- projects cleared from the environment angle. SOURCES be pleased to state: [English] (a) whether Union Government propose to have a National WaterGrid to ensure Export of Minerals equal distribution of water; 1745. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: (b) if so, the details thereof; SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- HIT: (c) whether discussions have also been held with the State Governments in the Will the Minister of COMMERCE be matter; and pleased to state:

(d) if so, the outcome thereof? (a) whether any new plan has been formulated to expand export of minerals; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND (b) if so, the d~tails thereof; MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) the value of the minerals exported M.M. JACOB): (a) ThE:H9 IS no such proposal during the last three years, year-wise and under consideration. thecountriestowhiehthey are exported; and

(b) to (d). Do not arise. (d) the increase in exports expected after introducing new plan? [ Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Clearance to Sidhmukh and Nohar MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. Project DAS MUNSI): (a) and (b). Diversification of market, better unit value realisation, value 1742. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: addition for exports and securing long term Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES contracts are some of the measures for be pleased to state: expanding export of minerals.

(a) whether the Central WaterCommis- (c) The value of exports of minerals and sian has not yet approved the Sidhmukh and ores during the last three years was as Nohar projects; and under:- 141 Wr;tten Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 142

date a majority of medical contingencies that Year (ValuE In Rs. crores) may occur. These limits were fixed on the basis of medical costs prevailing in Bombay 1986-87 7233:i and other metropolitan cities. A review of the benefits av~il3ble under the Scheme can be 198/-83 793.41 (p) considered only after reviewing the performance of the scheme and gaining expeneflce 1988-89 1027.13 (p) over a pAflod of time.

(p) Pr0visiona! Payments in Foreign Exchange

(d) Export of Minerals and Ores includ- 1751. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: ing Granite, Alumina and Aluminium etc. and Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to other processed minerals are expected to state: Increase to Rs. 1600 crores during 1989-90. (a) the details of the subscriptions. Medical Insurance Scheme of G.I.C. contributions and aid given in foreign exchange during the Seventh Five Year Plan , 750. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: showing (i) names of the Ministry and Statel SHRI ABDUL HAMID: Union Territory whi::h dealt with the matter in each case, (ii) name of the foreign country to Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased which it was given, (iii) reasons for giving the to state: aid etc;

(a) whether the General Insurance (b) whetherthere have been any cases Corporation had introduced a medical insur- where such contributions have been discon- ance scheme called Hospitalisation and tinued; and Domiciliary Hospitalisation Scheme; (c) if so, the reasons therefor? (b) whether the scheme has been reviewed and modified to provide wider bene- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fits to take care of the present day costs of DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE medical treatment; and MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. GADHVI): (a) to (c). The information is being (c) if so, the details thereof? collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Legal Aid Committee to Assist Land- li-J THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI less Adivasis EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. The General Insurance Corporation of India was 1752. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: introduced, with effect from 3rd November, Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be 1986, a Hospitalisation and Domiciliary pleased to state: Hospitalisation Benefit Policy known as 'Medici aim' . (a) whether any legal aid Committee have been set up at the State level to extend (b) and (c). The limits of b9nefits under legal assistance to poor classes of society ~"'a Policv ;uo a1J1Gie ~r:oUl"!h to accofT'lmo- ~r..j to the l:mdless Adivasis; a.nd 143 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written AnSwelS 144

(b) if so, the details thereof, State-wise? Under these Boards, legal Aid Commit- tees in the High Courts as well as in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DistrictsITaluqas have been set up. They MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI provide free legal aid and assistance to the H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) Yes, Sir. poor litigants including those belonging to the weaker sections of the society, landless (b) A statement explaining the position Adivasis but adequate focus and attention is given below. are being bestowed on this class of people and the Committee for Implementing legal STATEMENT Aid Schemes through its Executive Chair- man monitors and ensures this position. The legal Aid and Advice Boards have Several State Boards have special cells been set up in almost all the States as per the particularly in the scheduled districts. scheme evolved by the Committee for Im- plementing legal Aid Schemes. The State legal Aid Boards also organise lok Adalats from time to time in different The Chief Minister or the Minister for places to resolve disputes between the par- law and Judiciary is the Chairman of the ties through conciliation. Board but a sItting or a retired Judge of the Information regarding legal Aid pro- High Court is the Executive Chairman. The vided by the various Boards and the Lok other Members of the Board are representa- Adalats organised by them, as available with tives of the bar, officials and of Social Or- the Committee for Implementing legal Aid ganisations. Schemes as on 20.7.1989, is as follows:- 145 Written Answe~ SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 146

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Effects of Currency Fluctuation on DAS MUNSI): (a}to (c). In ordertocompen- Foreign Aid sate for certain disadvantages inherent in the Indian economy, compensation in the 1755. SHAIMATI KISHORI SINHA: Will form of cash Compensatory Support, Duty the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: drawback, International Price Reimburse- ment in respect of certain raw materials etc. (a) whether currency fluctuation has are extended to exporters on selective ba- created a surplus in the aid given by the sis, under various schemes which are re- World Bank and the other donor countries; ceived from time to tim!=!

(b) if so, whether Government are Recruitment of Bank Clerks and Offi· negotiating with donors for utilising ~ in new cers projects; and 1757. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: Will (c) if so, the details of the projects in the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: which the surplus is proposed to be utilised? (a) whether Government propose to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reform recruiting policies for bank cferks and DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS officers ill favour of obtaining the services of IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI more people from rural areas. willing to work EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Donor assis- in remote villages; tance. including assistance from the World bank. is committed in specific currencies. (b) it so, the details thereof; and This commitment, in the respective currencies of denomination, does not change with (c) If not, whether Government expects currency fluctuations and the question of a banks to obtain adequate number of bank surplus in the currencies of denomination officials interested in working in rural areas would not therefore arise. under current recruitment policies?

(b) and (c). Do not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Export Subsidies IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Under the 1756. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: Will existing recruitment system. eligible candi- the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to dates irrespective of their urban/rural back- state: ground are considered for recruitment ir.to the clerical!officers' cadres in the public sector (a) whether Government have plans to banks. Government have, however, issued reduce and gradually give up export subsi- guidelines making rural service as a pre- dies; condition for promotion from JMG Scale-I to MMG Scale-II and from MMG Scale-II to (b) if so, whether Government propose MMG Scale-III. to supply raw materials to Indian exporter::; at internati01al prices; and Permission to Journalists to bring Electronic Typewriters from Abroad (c) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1758. SHRIMATI K\SHOR\ S\NHA: Win MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 153 Wrttten Answers SHAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Wntten Answers 154

(a) whether accredited JOurnalrst~ are (d) whether the system IS proposed to allowed to bring electrontc typewrrters or be extended to other railways stations also video wrrtrng machines from abroad as and d so, the details thereof? passengers accompanied baggages THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) If so, the details thereof. and MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA) (a) The token (c) If not. the reasons therefor? system for ticket reservation has been Intra duced recently at I F C' A Reservation Of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE flce In New Delh DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A K (b) The system has generally been PANJA) (a) and (b) Video writing machines appreciated by the travelling public (Word Processors) can be Imported as accompanied baggage on paymentof a conces- (c) A few complaints have been re slonalcustomsdutyof 85% (40% Baslc+45% celved at IRe A Reservation Office that Auxiliary) by accredited correspondent of a the system slows down the work and may foreign broadcasting and televIsion organi- benefit touts zation or of a foreign new agency or a foreign news paper In accordance With notification (d) The system IS prevalent at 23 other no 355/85-Cus dated 6 12 1985. as stations on Vnnous radways amended, and subject to conditions pre- SCribed therein Congestion at Deihl and New Deihl Railways Stations Such goods can also be Imported as bonafide baggage of a passenger under the 1760 DR G S RAJHANS Will the Baggagp Rules, 1978, TOUrist Baggage Rule, Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state 1978 and the Transfer of Resldcrre Rules, 1978 (a) whether the Old Deihl and New Deihl Ral;~"'··w stations are getting increas- (c) Does not anse Ingly congested ddi hy day, and

Token System for Ticket Reservation (b) If so, the steps taken to remove congestion at these stations? 1759 SHRI P M SA YEED Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI (a) whether a new token system for MADHAVRAO SCINDIA) (a) Yes, Sir ticket reservation has been Introduced recently. (b) (I) At New Deihl Railway Station VISitorS are beJng pursuaded (b) whetherthe system IS fool-proof and not to enter the platform un- has been working satisfactOrily, less absolutely necessary and the Issue of platform tickets IS also being regulated. (c) whether any complaints have been received In thiS regard and If so, the details (II) The size of the book stallsl thereof; and vending sta\\s/other structures 155 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written AnswelS 156

is proposed to be reduced to (c) Industrial Development Bank of make more space available. India (1081) has reported that TMFS being of recent origin, repayment of term loans dis- (iii) At New Delhi Railway Station, bursed under the scheme have not com- some improvements are being menced so far in almost all the cases. made regarding mobility on foot *over*bridges. (d) and (e). lOBI have so far not come across a'ly case of irregularities in regard to (iv) A Master Plan to develop ter- advancing of the above loans. minal facilities at other locations in Delhi area has been Agricultural Loans Advanced by State prepared to ease the conges- Bank of Indore In Madhya Pradesh tion at existing stations. 1762. DR. V. VENKATESH: Will the lOBI Assistance to Textile Mills Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

1761. DR. V. VENKATESH: Will the (a) the amount of agricultural loans Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: sanctioned by the State Bank of Indore in Madhya Pradesh during the last three years, (a) the number of textile sanctioned ~ear-wise; loans under Textile Modernisation Fund Scheme launched by the Industrial Develop- (b) whether this fully meets the pro- ment Bank of India from 1987 to 30 June. jected demand of the agriculturists and if not, 1989; the shortfall in supply of loans in each year;

(b) the details of such loans advanced; (c) whether Government have, apart from re-scheduling the loan repayment pe- (c) the amount recovered and the riod, made any su rvey to find out whether the amount outstanding; farmers capacity to repay has been lost completely due to repeated drought and if (d) whether any irregularities came to so, how many such farmers are there in light in advancing the loans; and Madhya Pradesh; and

(e) if so, the action taken against the (d) the action proposed to be taken by guilty officers? Government to help those farmers? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). State IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Bank of Indore has reported that the amount EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Since 01 agricultural loans disbursed by it in Madhya introduction of Textile Modernisation Fund Pradesh during the last three years i.e. 1986, Scheme (TMFS) in August, 1986 upto end of 1987 and 1988 was Rs. 985 lakhs, As. 1075 May 1989, 191 projects have been sanc- lakhs and As. 4032 lakhs, respectively. The tioned loans under the scheme. The cumu* bank has further reported that it has already late amount of sanctions and disbursements achieved the targets stipulated by the Gov- as on May 31,1989 aggregated Rs. 754.40 ernment in respect of Direct Agricultural crores and Rs. 374.96 crores respectively. Advances. 157 Written Answets SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answets 158

(c) As per report received from State been adVised to give publicity amongst Bank of Indore, no survey has been con- Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe employ- ducted to find out the loans repaying capac- ees of the respective banks about the exis- ity of the drought affected farmers. tance of Scheduled CastelScheduled Tribe Cells and the name of Liaison Officer. All the (d) The State Bank of Indore has ex- Banks have confirmed having set up Sched- tended various concessions to the drought uled Caste/Scheduled Tribe Cells at their affected farmers such as conversion of Short Head offices and having appointed the liai- Term loan into Term loans, providing fresh son Officers. crop loans, rescheduling of term loans, de- ferment of recovery, sanction of consump- Opening of Bank Branches in Orissa tion loans, etc. , 767. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: SC/ST Cells in Banks Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 1763. DR. V. VENKATESH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (a) the number of branches of the Allahabad Bank and Syndicate Bank, sepa- (a) whether Government had issued rately, In Orissa; instructions to the public sector banks to open SC/ST Cells at their Head Offices! (b) whether there \s anv proposa\ \0 Regional Office and also to appoint SCtST open more branches of these banks in Orissa Liaison Officers for the above SCtST Cells; during 1989-90; and

(b) rt so, the details thereof; (c) if so, the places identified for the location of these branches, bank-wise? (c) whether Government had also directed the Banks to give wide publicity to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE these cells; and DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (d) if so, names of the Banks which had EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) to (c). Reserve not complied with the above instructions and Bank of India (RBI) has reported that at the the action, if any, Government have taken end of December, 1988, 41 branches of against the erring offICials of these banks? Allahabad Bank and 21 branches of Syndi- cate Bank were functioning in Orissa. Under THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the current Branch licensing Policy for 1985- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS 90, RBI has allotted nine branches to IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Allahabad Bank and two centres to Syndi- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). All Public cate Bank for openi ng branches in Orissa. Of Sector Banks have been advised to set up these centres, as per the in10rmation avail- Scheduled CastelScheduled Tribe Cells in able with RBI, Allahabad Bank has opened their Head Offices and Zonal/Regional Of- branches at eight centres an Syndicate Bank fices and to appoint an officer of the rank of at one centre. Allahabad Bank is yet to open Assistant General Manager/Deputy General its branch Charama in Koraput District and Manager (not necessarily belonging to SCI Syndicate Bank at Kalangadia Mayur-bhanj ST) to function as Liaison Officer at the Head District. RBI has advised the banks. to open Office level and other suitable Officer at these branches at the allotted centres expe- ZonallRegionallevel. They have also further ditiously. 159 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 160

World Bank Loan for Developing The loan to ICICI and lOBI will finance Electronic Industry Investment by Enterprises undertaking expansion and upgrading in the Electronics 1768. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: Industry sector. The loan to GOI will finance Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to procurement of equipment for man power state: development and training in the sector.

(a) whether the World Sank has sanc- Seizure of Gold tioned loan for developing electronic industry in the country; 1769. SHAI KRISHNA SINGH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the total amount of loan sanctioned by the World Bank for the purpose; (a) the details about the smuggled gold and seized by various agencies during the past six months (January-June, 1989); (c) the details of the plan drawn up for utilisation of the loan for the development of (b) how does it compare with gold electronic industry? seized during each of the two-halves of 1988: and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (c) how tr,e gold has been disposed of? EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). World Bank has approved a loan of $ 210 million, $ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 101 million each to the Industrral Credit and DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE Investment Corporation of India (ICICI) and MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. the Industrial Development Bank of India PANJA): (a) and (b). The quantity and value (IDSI) and a loan of $ 8 million to the Govern- of smuggled gold seized by the Customs ment of India for the Electronics Develop- authorities during the past six months (Janu- ment Industry Project. The loan is to be ary-June, 1989) and during each 01 the two utilised over a period of seven years. halves of 1988 are given in the table below:

Year Quantity of gold seized Value of gold seized (in Kgs.) (Rs. in crores)

January to June 1988 2319.531 75.41

July to December 1988 3774.254 125.12

• January to June 1989 4494.402 143.53

• Figures are provisional

(c) Confiscated gold is deposited in the Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Government of India Mint. state:

Rail Link between Kandl-Khagraghatl (a) whether a survey to connect Kandi Salar (W.B.) with KhagraghatlSalar in the district of Murshi- dabad, West Bengal by a B.G. Rail Hne has 1no. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA: been ordered; 161 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

(b) if so, when the survey work is likely IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI to start; and EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Most of the recommendations including decentral· (c) when it is likely to be completed? ised planning at Block Level of the Working Group on Lead Bank Scheme were sim ilar to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the recommendations of the Committee MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI appointed by Reserve Bank of India (RBI) MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. under the Chairmanship of Dr. P.D. Ojha, Deputy Governor, RBI. The recommenda- (b) November, 1989. tions of Dr. Ojha Committee were accepted and a new strategy for rural lending under (c) In June, 1991. Service Area Approach was introduced. This strategy involves allocation of specific serv· Lead Bank Scheme ice area comprising 15 to 25 villages to each bank branch in rural and semi-urban areas, 1773. PROF. HARAIN CHAND PAR~ preparation of credrt plan by each bank ASHAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE be branch for its service area, the aggregation pleased to refer to the reply given on 6 May, of branch credit plans into block and then 1988 to Unstarred Question No. 10002 re- into annual district credit plan. The progress garding Lead Bank Scheme and state: under these credit plans would be monitored at the Block Level by the Block Level Bank~ (a) whether Government have taken ers' Committee (BLBC) beSides the Com~ any decision to accept and implement the mittees at the District and State Level. The five recommendations of the working group Service Area Approach has been Imple- on Lead Bank Scheme, Including the recom- mented from 1.4.1989. mendations to consider 'a Development Block' as the appropriate unit for the decen- (c) and (d). RBI and reported that most tralisation of the Lead Bank Scheme; of the Block Headquarters are small rural centres covered by bank branches and may (b) if so, the decision of Government not sustain any additional branch. Allowing and the date from which the implementation the lead banks to open branches at all the has been initiated; Block Headquarters will lead to proliferation of bank branches and may run counter to the (c) whether the Reserve Bank of India restrictive branch licenSing policy aimed at and Government would ensure that the 'Lead consolidation. Therefore, allowing lead banks Banks' are further strengthened in the vari- to open branches at Block Headquarters ous blocks in their districts to play the role may result in duplication of efforts. However. more effectively in this regard by giving them under the Service Area Approach, it has licences to open at least one branch of their been decided to constitute Block Level own at the each block headquarters of the Bankers' Committee for coordination among districts concerned; and banks (Including District Central Coopera- tive Banksand Regional Rural Banks). Block (d) the likely date by which It would be Level Official and Lead Bank Officer will be done? the Chairman and Convenor of the meeting! Committee. In the absence of the branch of the lead bank in the Block, the bank which THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has largest representation in the Block will DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS be the Convenor. 163 Written Answers JULY 28,1989 W,fften Answers 164

Export of Cattle Feed not bein;} maintained.

1774. SHRI BALASAHIB VIKHE PA- (b) and (c). Steps taken by the Govern- Til: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be ment to find new market include arranging pleased to state: buyer-seller meets; participation in international fairs and exhibitions; organising expo- (a) whether All India Conference on sitions in potential markets grant of CCS and prevention of cruelty towards animals has other export benefits etc. urged Government to drop the proposal of setting up new slaughter houses and to ban Local Trains in Bombay export of cattle feeds; 1776. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE (b) whether due to export of cattle feed PATIL: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be and animals are deprived of cheap food- pleased to state: stock; and (a) whether Government have any (c) if so, Government's reaction thereto? proposal to increase the number of local trains in Bombay; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (b) if so, the details thereof? DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) and (c). The export of cattle feed MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI ingredients is allowed taking into considera- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). It is tion the domestic requirement. an ongoing process depending upon availability of rolling stock and other infrastructural Export of Onion, Chilly, Grapes and facilities. Vegetables Computerised Return Reservation 1775. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be 1777. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE pleased to state: PATIL: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) the quality and quantity of onion, chilly, grapes and vegetables exported from (a) whether Government have any Maharashtra and the amount of foreign proposal to introduce computerised return exchange earned therefrom during 1988 and system all over the country; 1989, year-wise; (b) if so, by when; and (b) whether Government have taken any steps to find out new markets for the (c) the steps taken so far in this direc- export of these items; and tion?

(c) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF ~AILWAYS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MADHAVRAO SCINDlA): (a) For the pres- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. ent, it is proposed to provide the computer- DAS MUNSI): (a) State-wise export date is ised return journey reservation fasiilW be- 165 Written AnswetS SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 166 tween Delhi and Bombay and Delhi and ited number of items for retail sale are able to Madras. Such a facility has already been display a list of such Items on a board provided between Delhi and Calcutta. However, where the items are of a wide variety, varied brands, models, dimensions (b) This facility is expected to become and quality, displaYing a list of such items on available by March, 1990. a board IS not practicable and therefore, the goods are themselves displayed at the count- (c) The proposals in this connection ers of the retail shops. have been sanctioned. (e) Available reports do not Indicate that Issue of Receipt in Lieu of Goods Sold any malpractices at the retail shops were at Customs Shops noticed during the last three years.

1779. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: Insurance Scheme for Rubber Planta- Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to tion state: 1780. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- (a) whether no cash receipts are issued MAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be in lieu of goods sold to the public at the pleased to state: Customs Retail Shops in the country particularly in Delhi; (a) whether a scheme for the insurance of rubber plantation has been introduced at (b) if so, how the sales are accounted the behest of the Rubber Board; for accurately; (b) if so, the details thereof; (c) whether there is no display of a board indicating stock of the items held by (c) the rate of premium to be charged the Customs Retail Shop together with the per hectare; and rate at which these are to be sold; (d) the extent of insurance cover pro- (d) if so, the steps taken in this regard; vided under the scheme? and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) the cases of malpractices, if any, MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. that came to notice at these shops during the DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. last three years? (b)to (d). The scheme introduced by MI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE s. National Insurance CI). Ltd. and imple- DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE mented on all India basis through the Rubber MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. Board provides inter-alia insurance against PANJA): (a) and (b). The existing instruc- perils caused by fire, cyclone, floods etc. but tions require that cash receipts be issued for excluding drought. The maximum liability of goods sold to the public at the Customs the insurer for plantation in the age group of Retail Shops and such receipts are issued at 1 to 8years would be Rs. 40,OOO/Hc. and Rs. all the Customs Retail Shops in the Country. 60,OOO/Hc. forthe agegroupof 8to 22 years.

(c) and (d). Available reports indicate The scales forthe samefordifferent age that Customs Collectorates which have lim- group range between Rs 41 per tree to Rs. 167 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 168

250 per tree. The rates of premium vary Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: between Rs. 90 to Rs.SOO per hectare dependent on the age of plantation for imma- (a) the total number of railway stations ture plantation. In the case of mature planta- in the country; and tion it is Rs. 473 per hectare for a period of 3 years. (b) how many of them are without platforms? As on date Insurance cover has been provided for 1202 hectares of rubber planta- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tion (Immature plantation 1182 ha. plus MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI Mature plantation 20 Hectare). MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). There are over 8000 regularlflag/hal1 stations on Doubling of Kayankulam-Trlvandrum the Indian Railways. No railway station Railway Line handling passenger traffic is without a platform. 1781. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- MAN: Will the Minister 01 RAILWAYS be Introduction of Bobcard pleased to state: (a) whether there has been a demand , 784. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the for the doubling of the railway line between Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Kayankulam and Trivandrum; (a) whether a scheduled bank in Delhi (b) if so, the details thereof; and has introduced a bank card named as Bob- card in June, 1989; (c) the response of the Government thereto? (b) if so, the name of the bank and details of the scheme; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI (c) whether the scheme has already MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. been introduced at other stations;

(b) State Government of Kerala, some (d) whether the system has been work- voluntary organisations and individuals have ing satisfactorily; and made the request. (e) if so, whether the Reserve Bank of (c) The need for doubling between India would allow more scheduled banks to Kayankulam and Trivandrum (106 km) has introduce such a scheme and if so, the been accepted. As the first phase, doubling names of such banks? between Kayankulam and Quilon (41 km) has been approved in the Railway Budget for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1989-90. The balance portion between DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Quilon and Trivandrum will be considered IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI for being taken up after adequate progress EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Allahabad has been made on phase-I. Bank in association with Bank of Baroda had launched a credit card scheme known as Railway Stations without Platforms BOBCARD-ALLAHABAD BANK In June, 1989 In Delhi. The scheme has been ex- 1783. DR.PHULRENUGUHA: Willthe tended to nine other stations. 169 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

The clients of Allahabad Bank having (b) the time frame within which the left annual gross income of As. 50,0001- and out volunteers many hope to be engaged as above can avail of this scheme. The card casual workers; holder can purchase goods and services from Bank's member establishments on credit (c) whether there is any proposal to and can also draw cash upto a certain limit transfer the "Volunteers" who have already from Bank's specified branches during out- been engaged as casual workers from far off station visits. places like Renukut to Sealdah or Howrah Division; (d) According to Allahabad Bank, the scheme has been working satisfactorily so (d) it so, by what time would the pro- far. posal be given effect to; and

(e) SomeotherBanks, namely, Canara (e) the difficulties being faced by the Bank, State Bank of India, Central Bank of Eastern Railway Authorities in respect of the India, Bank of Baroda, Vijaya Bank, Andhra engagement of the left out volunteers and Bank and Bank of India have already intro- transfer of the casual workers to West Ben· duced credit card scheme in their banks. The gal? credit card scheme is introduced by a bank on its own commercial judgement and in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE consultation with Reserve Bank of India. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) to (e). The Import of Shellac information is being collected from the East- ern Railway and will be laid on the Table of 1785. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the the Sabha. Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state the names of countries which have shown AppOintment of Notary Public In Tls- Interest in the import of Shellac from India? Hazarl Courts, Deihl

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1787. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRI- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. PATHI: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUS- DAS MUNSI): The main countries importing TICE be pleased to state: Indian Shellac are USA, Federal Republic of Germany, U.K. USSR, Indonesia, Egypt, (a) the number of applications received Hongkong, Singapore, Malaysia and Japan. by Government for appointment as Notary Public in Tis-Hazari Courts, Delhi during the Absorption of Volunteers in West last one year with details; Bengal (b) the number of persons appointed as Notary Public out of above applicants; and 1786. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA: Will the Ministerof RAILWAYS be pleased to (c) the time by which the remaining state: persons are likely to be appointed?

(a) the number of "Volunteers" still left THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE out to be engaged as casual workers in MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI Eastern Railway and how many of them H.R. BHARDWAJ): (aj Two applications belong to West Bengal; have been received by the Central Govern- 171 Written Answers JULY28,1989 Written Answers 172

ment for appointment as Notary Public in Tis and carry the interest rateot 12% Hazari Courts, Delhi during the last one year. compounded half yearly but They are as follows:- payable after maturity period of six years. 1. Shri M. L. Shirani, dated 5.8.1988. RIo. 9/8, Old Rajlnder Nagar, (iv) Invesl ments qualify for tax de- N9W Delhi-GO. duction under Section 80C of the Income Tax Act. 2. Kumari Veena Bakshl, dated 2.5.1989 Rio. 25012, Mehrauli, New DeihL A Deposit Scheme for the retiring/retired Central/State Government employees (b) and (c). The applications of the has also been introduced where the retiringl above applicants are under proces'5lng. retired employees can make one time deposit of the amounts received as retirement New Scheme for Small Savings benefits.

1788. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: (c) The net Small Savings collections Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to during 1988-89 compared to the collections state: in 1987-88 indicate that the various Small Savings Schemes have encouraged Sav- (a) Whether Government have intro- ings. duced any new scheme to encourage small savings; Recognition to Bhubaneswar Stock Exchange (b) if so, the details thereof; and 1789. SHRIMATIJAYANTI PATNAIK: (c) how far the schemes in operations SHRI SRIBALLAV PANI- have encouraged Small Savings in the rural GRAHl: areas? Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to refer to the reply given on 10th March, DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS 1989 to Unstarred Questions No. 2142 re- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI garding Stock Exchnage at Bhubaneswar EDUARDO FALEIRO) : (a) and (b). During and State; current financial year new Savings Scheme introduced is National Savings Certificate (a) whether Bhubaneswar Stock Ex- (VIII Issue). The main features of this Scheme change Association Limited has submitted are: the required application and other relevant documents for recognition; and (i) The investment in the certificate can be made by individual and (b) if so, the time by which that Stock also by specified institutions. Exchange is expected to be made operational? (ii) There is no limit on investment. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (III) The certificates are in the de- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS nomination of Rs. 100 Rs.SOO. IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Rs. -; 000 Rs 5000 and Rs.1 0,000 EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Bhu- 173 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 174 baneswar Stock Exchange Association (d) and (e) STC has been authorised by Limited was granted recognition by the the Government to Import a limited quantity Government under the prOVISions of the of Palmolem dUring the current financial year SecUTltles Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956 to meet the reqUirement of State Govts fUTs for a penod of five years, commencing from through Public Distribution System, upto Oct 5th June, 1989 Trading In securities In the 1989 Exchange IS expected to commence after admission of members by It Export of MICA

Import of Palmolein 1791 SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA NARASIMHARAJA WA- 1790 SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA DIYAR NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR Will the SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI Mmlsterof COMMERCE be pleased to state Will the Minister of COMMERCE be (a) whether palmoleln IS being Imported pleased to state' through State Trading Corporation (STC) (a) whether Mica and Mica-based prod- (b) rt so, the names of the countries from ucts of India are In great demand In the World where palmoleln IS being Imported, market

(c) the quantity of Palmoleln Imported In (b) whether Government have explored last three years, the pOSSibility of exporting Mica and Mlca- based products, and (d) whetner STC has any proposal to Import palmoleln dunng thiS year, and (c) If so, the steps taken to export these rtems? (e) If so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P R MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P R DASMUNSI)' (a) DespIte the stagnation In DASMUNSI) (a) Yes, Sir the global demand for processed mlca,lndla mica and mica ~roducts are In demand In the (b) Palmoleln IS being Imported from overseas markets to because of the high MalaYSia and IndoneSia quality of India sheet mica

(c) The total qty, of Palmolem Imported (b) yes, Sir, In last 3 years are as under· (c) Steps to promote export of Mica and Fin Year Qty MT Mica products Include abolition of export duty on mica and mica products except mica scrap, survey of mica mines to assess the 1986·87 602 Lakh causes of closure and take remedial measures, sales promotion tours and partiCipation 1987·88 885 Lakh In international trade fairS, setting up of units of manufacture of value added mica prod- 1988·89 520 Lakh ucts, etc 175 Written Answers JULY 28,1989 Written Answ8m 176

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1792. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA (c) if so, the names of the States and the NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the number of SC/ST judges appointed during Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: the last two years?

(a) the number of branches of India banks functioning in foreign countries; THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- TICE (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND) : (a) The (b) whether Guvernment have given High Court of Allahabad, Andhra Pradesh, directions to these banks to mobilise depos- Bombay, Gauhati, Gujarat, Karnataka, Ker- its from Non-Resident Indians to augment ala and Madras are having Judges belong- India foreign exchange resources: and ing to the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes. (c) if so, the steps taken by these branches in the matter? (b) Yes, Sir, Proposal have been received for appointment to the High Courts of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bombay, Delhi and Madras. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (c) During the last two years, 5 Judges EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Reserve Bank of belonging to scheduled castes and sched- India has reported that as at the end of uled tribes have been appointed in the High December, 1988 nine Indian banks had 119 Courtsof Bombay (2) Gauhati (1) Gujarat (1) operating branches in foreign countries. and Madras (1).

(b) and (c). Government has formulated [English] various schemes such as FCNR, NRE accounts and Portfolio investment by NRls for Direct Train Service between Delhi- attracting foreign INRI investments which Hoshiarpur are operated through banks. The banks make an effort, as part of their marketing strategy, 1796. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will to channelise NRI deposits into India banks. the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to refer to the reply given on 5 May, 1988 and [ Translation] on 28 April, 1989 to Un starred Question Nos. 9885 and 7583 respectively regarding direct SC/ST Judge in High Courts train between Delhi/New Delhi and Hoshiar- pur and state: 1795. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: (a) whether Government propose to provide terminal/maintenance facilities at (a) the names of High Course where Hoshiarpur for the purposes of introducing Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribe direct train service between Delhi and Hoshi- judges are functioning, State-wise; arpur or to extend 405 Super Fast Express train to Hoshiarpur; (b) whether any State Governments have proposed that the persons belonging to (b) if so, the details of the action taken these communities be appointed as judges in this regard; and i 77 Written Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

(c) if not, the reasons therefor and the EDUARDO FALEIRO): Information is being time by which such faci:ities will be provided collected and shall be laid on the Table of the at Hoshiarpur to meet the public demand for Sabha. a direct train? Allocation of fund to States for Irriga- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tion schemes MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) to (c). There is 1798. SHRI K.D. SUL TANPURI: Will no such proposal dueto resource constraints. the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be For convenience of Hoshiarpur passengers, pleased to state: a suitable connecting service with 59/60 Superfast New Delhi-Amritsar train was (a) the funds allocated for irrigation provided in May, 1989. There are two through facilities in the country during the last three coaches providing overnight service between years, State-wise; and Hoshiarpur-New Deihl and 205/206 provides a suitable day time connection With 197/198 (b) the details of the on-going major and Shan-e-punjab. These are sufficient for the medium irrigation schemes and targets, if present level of traffic. any, fixed for their completion, State-wise?

( Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND Reservation for SCs and STs in Banks MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHAI 1797. SHRI K.D. SUL TANPURI. Will M.M. JACOB): (a) Statewise position of the ihe Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state expenditure incurred/outlay provided during the number of posts reserved for Scheduled 1986-87 to 1988-89 for major, medium and Castes and Scheduled Tribes lying vacant In minor irrigation is shown in the Statements I a/l the public sector banks in the country for and" below. the last one year, category-wise and bank- wise? (b) Out ot the 181 major and 433 medium on-going irrigation projects of VII THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Plan, 37 major and 187 medium projects are DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS likely to be completed during the Plan and IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI the remaining will spill over to the next Plan. 179 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 180

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Vacant Posts of SC/ST (b) the reasons therefor and steps taken to fill up all the vacant posts? 1799. SHRI K.D. SUL TANPURI. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHR! (a) the number of posts reserved for MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) The shortfali SC/ST lYing vacant In the Railways, cate- In SCtS r quota In various categories as on gory-wise tor th~ last six months, and 1 1.89 IS as under.

Group RecruitmAnt Promotion SC ST SC ST

B Group B posts are generally filled by promotion from Group C. c. 2353 3993 9038 17050

D 1564 4487 1974 4698 (Excl Safaiwalas)

(b) (i) The reasons for shortfall are as SCs and 7-1/2% for STs has al- under: ready been achieved.

1 . The RecrUitment/promotion of SCsi 4. The backlog has also increased STs is to be made against the due to non-availability of SC/ST vacancies available on the Rail- candidates/employees with requi- ways and at a time not more than site qualifications and experience 50% of the available vacancies can for filling up the post in some tech- be filled up by SC/ST. nical and safety categories.

2. In case of promotions, there are a (ii) However, a Special Recruitment number of interim orders from High Drive has been launched to clear Courts/Administrative Tribunals the shortfall of SC/ST in Recruit- etc. restricting the operation of ment Grades against the available Roster points In categories where vacancies without the restriction of the reservations to 15% of the cadre the 50% limit. in case of SCs and 7-1/2% in case 01 STs has already been reached. [English)

3. Since backlog of reserved posts in Coaches for non-smokers calculated against vacancies according to 40 Point Roster, the backlog goes on increasing due to 1800. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: carry forward rules though in many Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to categories the prescribed 15% for state: 197 Written AnswelS SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 198

(a) whether Government propose to Streamlining management of major introduce a series of non-smoking coaches Railway Stations on long distance trains from the current year; 1805. SHRI SOMNATH RA TH: Will the (b) if so, the details of trains in which Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: such non-smoking coaches would be introduced: (a) whether any measures are proposed to improve the efficiency of the man- (c) whether any experiment inthis regard agement of major railway stations all over has been held; and the country; and

(d) if so, the details thereof? (b) what steps have been taken, since the stampede in New Delhi Railway Station THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE leading to deaths, to pay attention to this MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI aspect so that such accidents do not recur? MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) to (c). On some trains one second class coach has THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE been earmarked for non-smokers on an MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI expertmental basis. Boards indicating smok- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) The improve- ing not allowed have been put up on these ment of eHiciency in the management at coaches and publicity about availability of railway stations is a continuous process. this facility has been made. Further decision in this regard will be taken after review of the (b) Railway has initiated action tHl results of the experiment widening of the stair cases, provIsion of an additional stair case and extension of one of Demand for All India Judicial Services the foot-over bridges at New Delhi Station. by All India Judges Association Change of nominated platlorms for recep- tion of trains is only being resorted to if 1804. SHRI KAMAL NATH: Will the Inescapable and passengers are given Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased adequate warning about this over the public to state: address system. Entry to platforms at the stations of relatives and friends coming to see of or receive passengers is being regu- (a) whether the All India Judges Asso- lated. For increased surveillance by the ciation has urged upon the Government to police, there is a proposal for augmenting take steps to enact a legislation for setting up their strength. A master plan has been pre- of a judicial service on an All India basis; and pared to develop additional terminals at new locations in and around macro railway stations. Efforts are always made to cater for (b) if so, the reaction of the Government the changed pattern of traffic at stations from in this regard? time to time.

[ Trans/ation] THE MINISTER OF STATE LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): (a) Unauthorised vendors in running trains No, Sir. 1806. SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to (b) Does not arise. state: 199 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written Answers 200

(a) whether Government are aware of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE illegal food stuff vendors who vend their stuff MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI in the superfast trainS running between van- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Yes. ous stations; and Sir.

(b) the steps taken by Government (c) 6 complaints are received during against such vendors and other agencies April 1988 to June 1989 in Delhi against anti responsible for this practice so far? social elements only. Surprise checks are conducted in this regard. Porters and mis- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE creants found Indulging in this malpractice MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI are prosecuted. The licences of licensed MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. porters apprehended are also suspended or cancelled. (b) The Zonal Railways conduct drives in this regard. DUring 1988-89, 38,057 un- Smuggling of Gold and Silver authorised vendors were apprehended and 25,470 were prosecuted. 1808. SHRIKAMLAPRASADRAWAT: Will the MInister of FINANCE be pleased to Unauthorised occupation of seats state:

1807. SHRI JAGDISH AWASTHI: Will (a) whether Government are aware that the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Silver and gOld from foreign countries are state: being smuggled on large scale through sea:

(a) whether Government are aware that (b) if so, the amount of the gold/silver seats in trains are being unauthorisedly seized from the smugglers during thiS year; occupied by porters and local mischievous and elements at Delhi and other big stations and then given to passengers after extracting (c) the action taken against them? money from them; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether Government have received DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE complaints In this regard in Deihl; and MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. PANJA): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) If so, the total number of complaints (b) The quantIty and value of gold and received and the steps being taken by Gov- Silver seized by the Customs authorities ernment to prevent recurrence at such inci- dUring the current year upto 17th July, are dents? given below. Quantity Value (in Kgs) (Rs. in crores)

2 3

Gold 5250 166.47

S,lver 34222 22.84

(Fl0ures are proviSional) 201 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 202

(c) The persons found to be involved in ties'. However, towards the end of the finan- smuggling activities are arrested and prose- cial year some banks were reported to be cuted in Courts of Law in suitable cases utilising these refinance facilities and also apart from being penalised in departmental lending in the money market. Such banks proceedings. They are also detained under were cautioned to desist from lending in the provisions of the CO FPOSA Act, 1974, money market. At present, this stipulation is if considered necessary. being scrupulously observed by all bank according to RBI. [Eng/ish] (b) Due to withdrawal of the ceiling on Inter-Bank Call Money Market the call money rate of the 10 percent per annum fixed by the Indian Banks' Associa- 1810. DR. B.L. SHAILESH: Will the tion With effect from May 1, 1989, there was Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: a sharp upward movement of interest rates in the call money market in the period imme- (a) whether the commercial banks are diately after May 1, 1989. It was reported that using RBI'sown refinancing facility for making in the call money market the interest rates substantial against In the inter-bank call rose upto 30-34 percent by the last week of money market; May, 1989, thereatter the rates declined. The market has. since settled down and the (b) whether the call money Interest rate rates reflect the demand for and the supply has shot up, if so, the percentage of rise; of funds in the market and have fallen to more normal levels of 10-11 percent and (c) whether the RBI has any control even touched low rates of 5 to 6 percent on over the inter-bank call money market and certain days. elsewhere; (c) to (f). The Discount and Finance (d) rt so, the nature and extent of con- House of India Ltd (DFH I) was set up in April, trol: 1988 by RBI in collaboration with public sector banks and financial institutions to (e) if no control is exercised by the impart liquidity to money market instruments. Reserve Bank of India, the reasons for not the DFHI has been playing a stabilising role exercising control; and in the money market by equilibrating the demand for and the supply of call money funds. The DFH I has been sanctioned refi- (f) what corrective measures are con- nance facilities by RBI against its holdings of templated to set the matter right? 182 days Treasury Bills and Commercial Bills and RBI influences the money market through the DFH I. The rates in the call money THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE market can be influenced by the operations DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS of DFHI. With the introduction of new money IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI market instruments i.e. 182 days Treasury EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Reserve Bank of Bills, Inter-Bank participations, Certificates l:1dl2 (RBI) has reported that commercial of DepOSit and Commercial Papers, etc. and Danks are not permitted to lend in the money widening of the market for existing instru- market if they are utilising refinance from the ments I.e. Btli Rediscounting, it is expected Reserve Bank. This prescription IS applied to that a broad based money market would 'discretionary and stand by refinance facili- emerge. 203 Written Answers JULY 28. 1989 Written Answers 204

Off-Shore Mutual Funds UTI in various securities like equity shares, convertible bonds/debentures. 1811. DR. B.L. SHAILESH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Summer Specials from Delhi to Kerala

(a) whether Government have decided 1816. SHRt P_A. A.ltrJoNY: Will the to opt for private plaoemen1 of oHshore mutual Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: funds for sometime; (a) whether Railways had received (b) if so, the reasons therefor" representations for playing summer specials between Delhi and Kerala; (c) the total amount collected under the Indian Magnum launched by the State Bank (b) if so, the number of special trains of India in the United States and the India Introduced; Growth Fund launched in United States in August, 1988; (c) whether these trains were enough to cope With the summer rush; and (d) whether these funds have- been repatriated to India; and (d) if not, the reasons for not introducing more trains? (e) if so, the manner in which these funds have been/are being being utilised? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) None. EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) The proposal of State Bank of IndIa to set up an off-shore (c) Does not arise. Fund on private placement basis has been recently approved by the Government. (d) Specials trains were not found justified and the extra traffic offered was cleared (b) Private placement of Off-shore Funds by regular trains. has been the follOWing main advantages: Cracks in Edamalayar Project, Kerala i) Lower pre-operative expenses; and 1817. SHRI P.A. ANTONY: Will the ii) the Funds can be launched in a Minister of WATER RESOURCES be shorter period and without listing pleased to state: their shares on a Stock Exchange. (a) whether Government are aware (c) to (e). The State Bank of India has about the cracks appearing in the Edama- not yet launched its India Magnum Fund in layar Irrigation proiect in Kerala; USA. The question of repatriation, therefore, does not arise. The total amount collected (b) whether these cracks pose any under the India Growth Fund launched danger to the project area; and abroad by the UTI was US $ 60 million. The Fund has already repatriated US $ 44 million (c) if so, action taken by Government in to UTI. This amount has been invested by the matter? 205 Written Answers SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 206

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) if so, the details of such international MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND trade fairs; MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) the main purpose of participating in M.M. JACOB): (a) to (c). Information IS bemg these trade fairs; and collected and will be laid on the Table oi the House. (d) the main Items proposed to be projected In these fairs? Poznan International Trade Fair THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1818. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: MINlsrnv OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. Will the MInister of COMMERCE be pleased DAS MUNSI): (a) Yes. Sir. to state' (b) A Statement IS given below. (a) whether India participated In the Poznan International Trade Fair held at (c) The main purpose to participation in Palanee in June last; and trade fairs abroad IS to project India's industrial. export, sCientifiC and technological (b) if so, the expenditure Incurred and capabilities. explore opportunitiebor joint the amount of business generated In that ventures and establish new business con- trade fair together with the details thereof? tacts.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) The main items planned to be dis- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. played in these fairsyconsist of all kinds of DASMUNSI): (a) Yes. Sir. light. medium and heavy machinery, computer-software. clothinglfurnishing textiles, (b) The estimated expenditure on the leather goods, processed food, consumers fair was about Rs. 12.00 lakhs. According to goods auto parts and accessories, transmis- reports received from partiCipants bUSiness sion equipment. plastic products, office and worth Rs. 9.47 erores was negotiated by telecommunication equipment, etc. them for prod uets like pawe r s upphes. steeper motors. floppy drives. computers, electronic STATEMENT components, two-wheeler scooters, power ·1 press. toad products. chemicals/dyes/essen- Trade Fair Authority of India's Programme tial oil, herbs, spices. fabrics, readymade for Practicipation in Fairs/Exhibitions garments, denims and silks, etc. Abroad During 1989-90

TFAI Proposal for PartiCipation in s. No. Name of the event International trade fair 2 1819. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased GENERAL INTERNA TlONAL FAIRS to state: 1. Poznan International Fair, Po- (a) whether the Trade Fair Authority of land, June 11-18, 1989. India (TFAI) have proposal to organise In- dia's participation in international trade fair 2. Beijing International Fair, China, abroad; July 14-23, 1989. 207 Wfltten Answers JULY 28, 1989 Wnften Answers ~

2 2

3. Damascus International Fair, SPECIALISED COMMODITY SYria, August 28 September 10, FAIRS 1989 1. Interstoff-lnternatlonalTradeFair 4 Tehran International Fair, Iran, for Clothmg Textiles, Frankfurt, September 17-27, 1989 (FRG), ApnI11-13, 1989.

5 Budapest Inti Autumn Fla Hun- 2. International Leather Fair, Hong gary, September 22 - October Kong, April 24-27, 1989. 01,1989 3 Australian Auto Machanlca Ex- 6 Nairobi International Industrial hibition, Sydney, Australia, Apnl Show, Kenya, September 26-30 1 29 - May 02, 1 989 1989 4 STAR Fair, Milan, ltlay, May 18- 7. Overseas Import Fair 'Partners 21,1989 for Progress' Berlin (FAG), Sep- tember 27-30, 1989 5 Australia's Inti Engmeermg Exhibition, Melbourne, July 31- 8. Baghdad International Fair, Iraq, August 04, 1989 November 01-15, 1989 6 National Shoe Fair of America, 9 International Hardware & House- New York, August 05-08, 1989. ware Show, Birmingham (UK), January 21 -24, 1990 7 National Hardware Show, Chi- cago, USA, August 13-16, 1989. 10. International Spnng Flar, Bir- mlngham, February 05 09, 1990 8 Pret-A-Porter Du-Femlnln FaIr, Pans, France, September 02-05, 11. Kaduna International Fair, Nige- 1989 ria, February 10-17,1990 9 8th EMO Fair, Hannover, FRG, 12. International Spring Fair, Dubal September 12-20, 1989. (UAE), February 27- March 10, 1990. 10 Semalne Du CUlr Fair, Pans, France September 16-19, 1989. 13 Leipzig Spnng Fair, GOR, March 11-17, 1990 11 MachIne ASla'89, 8th ASian IntI. Exhibition, Smgapore, Septem- 14. Cairo International Falrr Egypt, ber 26-29, 1989. March 1990

15. Velencla International Fair, Vene- 12 INTERKAMA Fair, Dusseldorf, zuela, March 23-31, 1990 October 09-14,1989. 209 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 210

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13. ANUGA - World Food Market, 26. FABREX Fair, London, UK, Cologne, FRG, October 14-19, March, 1990. 1989. INDIAN EXHIBITIONS 14. SYSTEMS' 89 Fair, Munich, FRG, October 16-20, 1989. 1. Indian Exhibition, Jordan, Sep- tember 14-22, 1989. 1S. Interstoff-Intl. Trade Fair for Clothing Textiles Frankfurt, FRG, 2. Indian Exhibition, Jakarta, Indo- October 31 -November 2, 1989. nesia, Jan. 26 Feb. 2' 90.

16. K'89 Fair, Dusseldrof, FRG, 3. Indian Engg. Exhibition, Moscow, November 2-9, 1989. USSR, March, 1990.

17. Interstoff Asia-IntI. Trade Falrfor Modvat Scheme garments Mfg. Industry, Hong- Kong, November 1S-17, 1989. 1822. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 18. World Fashion Trade Fair, Osaka, Japan, Nov. 22-26' 89. (a) whether it is a fact that the Modified Value Added Tax (MODVAT) scheme has 19. HEIMTEXTIL-Intl. Trade Fair for turned out to be a revenue losing scheme; Home & Household Txtiles, Frankfurt, FRG, January, 1990. (b) if so, the reasons of the failure of the scheme; and 20. DOMOTEXT Fair, Hannover, FRG, January, 1990. (c) the amount of revenue lost by the exchequer to the implementation of the 21. National Variety Merchandise scheme last year? Show, New York, USA, Febru- ary 17-20,1990. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE 22. Pret-A-Porter Du Feminin Fair, MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. Paris, France, February 15-19, PANJA): (a) to (c). In 1987 BUdget, in order 1990. to ensure revenue neutrality, the introduction of MOD VA T was accompanied by an 23. IntI. Hardware Fair, Cologne, increase in the duty on the final product to FRG, ~arch S-8, 1990. balance the set-off being given of the duty paid on inputs. In the 1987 Budget, some 24. Ce BIT Fair, Hannover, FRG, increase in the duty on the final product was March 21-28, 1990. made in respect of a few items, where the set off given under the MODVAT scheme during the previous year was much larger than 2S. Foodex Fair, Tokyo, Japan, initially estimated. In the 1988 Budget also, March,1990. rationalisation of rates of excise duty in re- 211 Written Answens JULV 28, 1989 Written AnswelS 212 sped of a few commodities was made as (a) the total revenue collection from part of MOD VAT corrections. Thus, the Punjab during 1986-87. 1987-88 and 1988- Government has been taking corrective s1eps 89 under each Central tax; and from time to time. It cannot be said that the scheme has failed of that there has been (b) the amount under each tax returned loss of revenue. The total collections from to Punjab during the same period? central excise duties during the last financial yeal were Rs. 18739 crores as against the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE budget estimate of Rs. 18089 crores. DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. Revenue Collection in Punjab PANJA): (a) The total revenue collected from Punjab during 1986-87. 1987-88 and 1823. SHRt KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will 1988-89 under each Central Tax is as un- the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: der~ (Rs. in Crores)

1986-87 1987-88 1988-89 (Provisional)

2 3 4

Central Excise" 369.2B 409.52 455.24

Customs· 55.0B 66.10 103.23

Wealth Tax 4.83 2.67 3.20**

Expenditure Tax 0.05**

Estate Duty 0.58 0.30 0.21 **

Gift Tax 0.30 0.30 0.21 **

Corporation Tax 38.62 49.25 45.72**

Income Tax 84.79 101.39 165.n**

* Collections of Chandigarh Collectorate also includes Himachal Pradesh and J&K.

** Figures also includes collections from Himachal Pradesh and Chandigarh from Dec., 1988 to March. 1989.

(b) The amount under each tax re- and 1988-89 is given as under: turned to Punjab during 1986-87. 1987-88 213 Wrlten Answers SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 214

(Rs. in Crares)

1986-87 1987-88 1988-89 (Provisional)

2 3 4

Basic Excise 61.18 66.18 75.37

Additional Excise 39.28 44.28 47.20 Duties of lieu of Sales Tax

Income Tax 37.66 44.97 48.08

Estate Duty 0.17 0.01 0.13

Additional Trains on Vlsakhapatnam state: Hyderabad Route (a) whether Iraq has expressed a keen 1827. SHRI DODE RAMAIAH: Wilithe desire for expanding further the eoonomic Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: ties with India;

(a) whether it is proposed to introduce (b) If so, the new areas identified forthe additional trains on Vlsakhapatnam-Hydera- expansion of Indo-Iraq trade; and bad route to meet the increased demand and also to provide more accommodation in (c) the details of the program me of both Gautami and Godavari Express trains; the countries for 1989-90 with regard to the expansion of trade? (b) if so, details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if not, reasons therefor? MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P. A. DAS MUNSI): (a) to (c). Both India and Iraq THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE are keen to expand further the bilateral MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI economic relations. In the area of product MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No, Sir. export specific possibilities have been identified for export of engineering goods, rubber (b) Does not anse. products, tea, spices, iron ore pellets, etc. In the area of projects, possibilities exist for civil (c) The existing services are consid- construction, infra-structure development, ered adequate for the present level of traffic. industrial re-construction and development consultancy and operation and maintenance Trade with IRAQ contracts. With the objective of increasing trade and commercial cooperation with Iraq, 1831. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will a commercial line of credit has been ex- the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to tended to Iraq to facilitate export of specified 215 Written Answers JULY 28. 1989 Written AnswetS 216 goods from India. Other steps taken in this MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. direction include, discussions at Govern- OASMUNSI): (a) to (c). India has been ment to Government level at the forum of having a favourable balance of trade with joint commission, participation in trade fairs USA since 1986-87. According to the statis- and exhibitions encouragement to Indian tics maintained by the Directorate General of companies to establish contacts with the Commercial Intelligence and Statistics, Cal- concerned Iraqui organisations etc. cutta, for the period 1st April, 1988 to 31 st March. 1989, exports to the USA were esti- Electrification of Amrltsar-Delhl Rail- mated at Rs. 3735.11 crores, whereas, way line imports from USA were estimated at Rs. 3181.37 era res, resulting in a trade surplus 1832. SHRI GURUOAS KAMAT: Will of Rs. 553.74 crores. the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (d) Does not arise.

(a) whether the Railways have consid- Ker.ls-Tamil Nadu Cardamom Growers' ered the desirability of electrification of track Association Request to Spices Board on Amritsar-Oelhi section; and 1835. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- (b) if so, by when this is likely to be MAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be undertaken? pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether the Kerala-Tamil Nadu MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI Cardamom Grower' Association has re- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Yes, quested the Spices Board to purchase car- Sir. Electrification of Delhi-Ambala-Ludhi- . damom and fix a reasonable price for it as ana section alone is under consideration. the price fixed by individual merchants were Planning Commission have been addressed fluctuating and dipping very low at times; and for clearance of this project. (b) if so, the response thereto? Trade with U.S.A. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1834. DR. KRUPASINOHU BHOI: Will MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. OS the Minist&r of COMMERCE be pleased to MUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. state: (b) The request could not be accepted. (a) whether the trade deficit between India and USA has been increasing; Computerisation of Reservation in Kerala (b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(c) the position as on 31 st March, 1989; 1836. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- and MAN: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (d) the steps taken to reduce the trade deficit with USA? (a) whether computerised rail ticket reservation facility is to be introduced in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Trivandrum; 217 Written Answers SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Wrttten Answer.s 218

(b) if so, when the new system IS be opened for passenger tratflC by Septem- expected to become functional. and ber,89 Workon Alleppey-Kayankulam new hne (43 km) IS In progress and I~ expected to (c) whether there IS any proposal to be completed In 1991-92, subject to avaIla- computense the reservatIOn system In some bility of resources DOL.bllng between Kay- other stations In Kerala and If so, the details ankulam and QUIlon (41 km) has been ap- thereof? proved In the Railway Budget for 1989-90 while that between Qutlon and Trlvandrum THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE will be approved after suffiCient progress IS MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI made on the former The~e are expectpd to MADHAVRAO SCINDIA) (a) Yes, Sir be completed dUring the VIII and IX P'ar penod (b) The system IS likely to become functional by March 1991 subject to availa- Decline In prices ot spices bility of funds 1838 PROF P J KURIEN Will the (c) There IS no proposal at present to M,nlsterof COMMERCE be pip 1"ed to state computense the reservat Ion system at any other station In Kerala (<1) whether there !'lac. b~en d dtJc.itne If1 tne prices of rT'IaJor SPICtc''-> produced In India Doubling of Ernakulam-Trlvandrum d!Jnng the pa .... t th r e8 yd..Jl~ Railway Line (0) If so the main reaSOl1S thereat, 1837 PROF P J KURIEN Will the MinIster of RAILWAYS be pleased to state (c) tre measures taken to arrest the decline In pnces (a) whether the doubling of track between Ernakulam and Tnvar,drUin IS In prog- (d) whether the decilne In prices has led ress, to the growers !;)wllchtng overthe other crops In a substantial way (b) If so, the details thereof. and (e) It 50 the facts thereof? (c) by what tIme it IS likely to be completed? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P R" THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DAS MUNSI) (a) to (c) The major SPICt:S MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI grown In the country are Black Pepper, MADHAVRAO SCINDIA) (a) Yes, Sir TurmeriC. Chillies, Ginger & Comander The trend indicates that the pnces of spices shot (b) Alternative BG alignment between up dUring the year 1987 and remained at Ernakulam and Kayankulam via Alleppey abnormally high level ttll the end of 1988 (100 km) and doubling of track between How ler, '11th the Improvement rn produc- Kayankulam and QUIlon (41 km) as phase-I tion, of spices, except black pepper prices of Kayankulam-Trtvandrum doubling (106 dUring the 1989 have somewhat eased km). (d) a"d (e) There does not appear to (c) Ernakulam-Alleppey (57 km) has have beer. shift from cultivation of major already been completed and IS expected to spices to other crops In tre recent past 219 Written Answers JULY 28, 1989 Written AnswetS 220

Downgrading of Railway Stations In MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI Kerala MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Im- provements to stations, including remodel- 1839. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: ling of station buildings, is a continuous Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to process and the same is done on a need- state: based programme, commensurate with the availability of funds. (a) whether any railway station in the Palghat district under the Madurai division of Overbridges at Level Crossings near Southern Railway has been downgraded to Palghat Railway Station a flat station; 1841. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: (b) If so, the reasons therefor; Will the Minister of RAilWAYS be pleased to state: (c) how many such stations have been downgraded in Kerala so far during the past (a) whether requests have been re- three years; and ceived for the construction of overbridges at the important level crossings near the Palghat (d) whether the Government would re- station; consider the decision to downgrade the station in Palghat district? (b) if so, the details thereof;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether it has come to the notice of MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI the Government that these level crossings MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes,Sir. cause serious traffic blockade; and

(b) For the reasons of economy. (d) if so, the reaction of Government thereto? (c) Three. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) At present this decision is not being MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI reconsidered. MADHAVROA SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A few representations for construction of Railway Stations in Palghat Division road overbridges in replacement of two level crossings near Palghat Station have been 1840. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: received. Will the Minister of RAILWA YS be pleased to state: (c) No, Sir. However, some hold up of (a) whether there is any proposal to the road traffic at the level crossings during develop further the railway stations in the the passing of trains is unavoidable. Palghat Division; and

(d) TheRailway can consider proposals (b) if so, the details thereof? for road overbridges at these locations after they are sponsored by the State Govern- ment duly consenting to bear the cost, as per THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE rules. 221 Written AnSW8fS SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Written Answ9fS 222

Possibility of Earthquakes due to Large SOURCES be pleased to state: Dams (a) whether the attention of Govern- 1845. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: ment has been drawn to the news item cap- SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: tioned 'NRls being lured to fund Narmada Project, appearing in 'The Hindustan Times' Will the Minister of WATER RE- dated 19 May, 1989; and SOURCES be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reaction of Government (a) whether large dams may be acause thereto? for earthquakes; TrlE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) whether this aspect has been stud- MIN ISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND Ied in depth; MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) If so, the outcome of such study; and M.M. JACOB): (a) and (b). Sardar Sarovar Narmada Nigam limited has recently (d) the steps taken or contemplated to launched Public Deposit Scheme under safeguard against this possibility? Compan ies Act, 1961. Under the Scheme the non-resident Indians are also eligible to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE make deposits within the prescribed ceil- MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES AND ings. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI Air Cargo Complex at Trivandrum M.M.JACOB): (a)to (c). Out of thousands of Airport large dams in the World, only a few have shown gradual increase in seismic activity , 851. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the With the impounding of reservoir. In most of Ministerof COMMERCE be pleased to state: these cases also the magnitude of earthquakes was less than 5 on the Richter Scale. (a) whether there is any proposal for The safety of dams is taken care of right at setting up of any Integrated Air Cargo the design stage by adopting appropriate Complex at Trivandrum airport; and design parameters. Furtherthe dam is under close surveillance during reservoir filling and IS inspected periodically thereafter also. In (b) if so, the details thereof? addition, the seismic status of the area in the vicinity of the reservoir is monitored by sen- sitive instruments before and after the for- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mation of the reservoir MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI): (a) and (b). An Air Cargo Investment by NRls in Narmada Project Complex has been functioning at Trivan- drum Airport since May, 1979 and i1 is being 1847. SHRI UTTAM RATHOO: managed by the Kerala State Industrial SHRI PARASRAM BHARD- Enterprises which is a State Government WAJ: Undertaking.

Will tha Minister of WATER RE- 223 Resignation by JUlV 28, 1989 Members 224

12.00 hr. racy. Under the British Parliament, there is no system for people to resign from the RESIGNATION BY MEMBERS House of Commons. It is a dereliction of duty ... (Interruptions) [English] MR. SPEAKER: Nothing doing. I have MR. SPEAKER: I have to inform the not allowed Mr. Janga Reddy. House that I have received a letter dated 25 July, 1989 from Shri Satyendra Narayan ( Interruptions)· Sinha, an elected memberfrom Aurangabad Constituency of Bihar, resigning his seat in SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Mr. Lok Sabha. I have accepted his resignation Speaker, Sir, I have another point, a very with eHect from 28 July, 1989. serious point that I have to place before you, namely, the great human tragedy enacted I have also received letter of resignation by DDA thro'Jgh large scale demolitions of today from Shri Sode Ramaiah, member dwelling houses at Okhla Vihar and Jhasula from Bhadrachalam Constituency of Andhra Vihar, rendering thousands of people home- Pradesh, resigning his seat in Lok Sabha. I less and that too at the time of Eid celebra- have accepted his resignation with immedi- tions. Two people died during this operation ate effect. demolition. Several were injured and thousands have been rendered homeless without any scheme for compensation of the victims and without any scheme for their ( Interruptions) rehabilitation .. (Interruptions)

SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (Ponnani): MR. SPEAKER: You can give me a You fix up the last date for receiving resigna- Calling Attention and I will ask for information letters! tion.

( Interruptions) SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: I have already given it. MR. SPEAKER: Nothing goes on record without my permission. MR. SPEAKER: I will ask for the information. (Interruptions) * ( Interruptions) SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: In the Brit- ish Parliament, there is no system of resign- SHRI G.M. PANATWALLA: It is a great ing from the House of Commons ... (Interrup- human tragedy enacted by DDA. Another tions) point Sir, the situation in Sri Lanka is getting very serious. The Government must take the MR. SPEAKER: Is it? We can also do House into confidence. TOrl1OiroW, the 29th that. July, is the deadline ... (Interruptions) SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobichetti- ( Interruptions) palayam): Sir, I have given notice of an Adjournment Motion on this. We have com- SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Resigna- pleted the second year of the Accord ... (In- tion is unknown to Parliamentary democ- terruptions) ·Nor recorded. 225 Resignation by SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Members 226

MR. SPEAKER: There is a move and faith in our judiciary. He has no faith in our there is a motion from the Government side institutions. (interruptions) to discuss the Sri Lanka issue. I have already admitted that. Now it is for you to fix the date, MR. SPEAKER: The Upper House will any time you like. take care of it.

( Interruptions) ( Interruptions)

SHRIG.M. SANAlWALLA: Today there SHRI SHANT ARAM NAIK: We have also must be a statement from the Government to look into this matter. He is not immune side Sir... (Interruptions) from the law of the land ... (Interruptions)

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Today MR. SPEAKER: You can discuss it atleast there must be a statement from the through a proper motion. Government. I want to know whether there will be a statement from the Government ( Interruptions) side that IPKE will remain there ... (Interrup- tions) SHRI G.M. SANA TWALLA: It is not upward, it is parallel. (Interruptions) SHRI G.M. SANATWALLA: Whatever is the position, let the Government come PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (8ar~r"1tJ:' forward with a statement and let us know Sir, I have a word of appreciation for the (,,1\' what is going on .. (Interruptions) Aviation Ministry so far as facilities 1\. I,

pilgrims are concerned. This year, th, I

MR. SPEAKER: I have already heard it. eration was better. So was the work of II

Central Haj Committee under the Chalrr.l c: ( Interruptions) ship of Mr. Dalwai. It was comparative)' better and even the Ministry of External SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): Sir, Affairs ... (Interruptions) the second trial in respect of the murder of Shrimati Indira Gandhi is likely to begin very MR. SPEAKER: You can come under soon. In this matter, Mr. Ram Jethmalani has Rule 377. I will allow you. made a statement, calling the international jurists ... (Interruptions) ( Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: He is a Member of the Upper House. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Sir, kindly listen to me. I have a suggestion. Till with SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: He is calling your support, Snnagar becomes an interna- the international jurists to witness the trial tional airport, from the next Haj pilgrimage and to say to the whole world that human inste::td of Air India taking Jammu and Ka- rights are violated in this country 3!"'Id the trial shmir Haj pilgrims to Pal am airport, they that will go on will be a bCglJ2 t- ~: H . ~as no should be taken to Snnagar airport. Four or 227 Resignation by JULY 28, 1989 Members 228 five people from Customs can go there. Wage Board as early as possble. (Interruptions)

( Translation] Another important point that I would like to raise relates to Haryana. As you are aware, I had raised a similar issue earlier MR. SPEAKER: Please give me in also regarding murder of the grand daugh- writing. I am saying this in your own interest. ter-in-Iaw of Shri Devi Lal. There is a no respect for a woman or a girl in Haryana. There is no security for them. A 12 year old ... ( Interruptions) ... girl named Sheetal was missing for the last 22 days. Her dead body was found some MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Soz, you should days ago. There is no respect for women in listen to others also, it will benefit you. Please Haryana. They are not secure there. Hence, give notice of it under Rule 377, it will be- the Chief Minister should resign, else he come part of record in your name. should be dismissed.

PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: At the MR. SPEAKER: Discussion with re- moment, I seek support from you. Facilities gard to atrocities on women is coming up. now available can be further increased.

KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: The MR. SPEAKER: Please giv~ me in man who commits atrocities on women and writing. If you have any concrete sugges- does not care for them or is unable to give tions to make, pleased give them in writing. protection to them, has no moral right to continue as the Chief Minister of a State. Such person should be dismissed from KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE Chiefministership. This is my appeal to the (Jadavpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to raise Home Minister. two important points. Firstly, the Prime Min- ister gave an assurance that announcement for implementation of the award of the Wage SHRI NARESH CHANDRA CHATUR- Board for journalists and non-journalists VEDI (Kanpur): Mr. Speaker Sir, through would be made in the House during this very your good offices, an agreement was reached session but no announcement has been between the members of Parliament and the made so far. As a result of non-implementa- hon. Minister of Human Resource Develop- tion of the award, management has resorted ment that the entrance examination of I.I.T. to contract system. This has resulted in a would be conducted in Hindi and other In- number of problems for journalists and non- dian languages also. The entrance exami- journalists. I want to draw your attention to nation is again going to be held but the this matter and request the Government to examinees have not been given the option to ensure implementation of the award of the answer the questions in Indian 229 Resignation by SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Members 230

Languages.Some of the persons have been [English] on fast unto death for the last 9 days. I happened to read a news report day before yesterday that our Minister of Human Re- MR. SPEAKER: We must ask the source Development. Shri Shiv Shanker. Government to pull up those people who are white agreeing to their demand. expressed responsible for not carrying out the others. his support for them. Then why is the provision not being made by the Government and SHRIASUTOSHLAW(Dum Dum): You why have the people been forced to go on will remember Sir, that recently enhance- hunger strike to get their demand accepted? ment of freedom ftghters' pension tram As. tf the Government agrees to their demand, 5001- to As. 7501- was announced, but till they may be requested to break their fast. today at has not been paid. When will it be Therefore, you should issue immediate in- give., effect to? structions that this should be done so that their problem is solved and Indian languages [ Translation] are protected. MR. SPEAKER: You may ask him.

MR. SPEAKER: If the Government is [English] agreeable and you are also agreeable, what is the hitch? I would like to know from the SHRIASUTOSH LAW: There are some Government. .. pensioners who are on the verge of death. They will not be able to get the benefit. [English) [ Translation) Where do they come from? Please, give it in writing. [ Translation] [English} f SHRI NARESH CHANDRA CHATUR- VEDI: Han. Minister IS in favour of it. I fail to understand as to why it is not being done. SHAI ASUTOSH LAW: The Home Minister should tell us as to when it will be MR. SPEAKER: Who is holding it up. given effect to.

[English] SHRI MADAN PANDEY (Gorakhpur): They should be pulled. It was announced on the floor of the House. ( Interruptions) [ Translation]

SHRI NARESH CHANDAA CHATUR- MR. SPEAKER: Shri Shankaranand. VEDI: I request you kindly to issue instructions to this effect. 231 Papers Laid JULY 28, 1989 Papers Laid 232

12.08 hrs. lished in Notification No. G.S.R.337 in Ga- zette of India dated the 6th May, 1989 issued PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE under section 47 of the Indian Railways Act, , 980. [Placed in Library. See No. L T-8073- [English] 98]

Report on the General Elections to the Betwa River Board (Amendment) legislative Assemblies for Meghalaya Rules, 1989 and statement for delay in and Tripura held in 1988- Statistlca:, laying these papers. and Report on the General Elections to the Legislative Assemblies of Haryana THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Jammu and Kashmir, Kerala, Mizoram MINISTER OF WATER RESOURCES AND Nagaland and Kashmir, Kerala, MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY Mizoram, Nagaland and West Bengal OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI M. held in 1987 etc. M . JACOB): I beg to lay on the Table-

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- (1) A copy of the Betwa River Board TICE (SHRI S. SHANKARANANO): I beg to (Amendment) Rules. 1989 (Hindi lay on the Table- and English versions) published in Notification No. G.S. R. 95 in Ga- (1) A copy of the Report (Hindi and zette of India dated the 25th Febru- English versions) on the General ary, 1989, under section 24 of the Elections to the Legislative Assem- Setwa River Board Act, 1976. bliesof Meghalayaand Tripuraand on the Bye-Elections to the House (2) A statement (Hindi and English of the People and Legislative As- versions) showing reasons for de- semblies held in 1988-Statlstical. lay in laying the papers mentioned [Placed in Library. See No. L T- at (1) above. [Placed in Library. 8071-89) See No. LT 9074/891

(2) A copy of the Report (Hindi and Notifications under Customs Act, 1962 English versions) on the General and Central Excise and Salt Act, 1944 Elections to the Legis!ative Assem- blies of Haryana, Jammu and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Kashmir, Kerala, Mizoram, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE Nagaland and West Bengal held in MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A. K. 1987 and Detailed Results of Bye- PANJA): I beg to lay on the Table- Elections held in 1986 and 1987- Statistical. [Placed in Library. See (1) A copy each of the following Notifi- No. L T 8072/89] cations (Hindi and English versions) under section 159 of the Customs Railways' Red Tariff Rules, 1988 Act, 1962:-

(i) G.S.R. 456(E) published in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Gazette of India dated the 21 st MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI April, 1989 together with an MAOHAVRAO SCINDIA): I beg to lay on the explanatory memorandum Table a copy of the Railways' Red Tariff making certain amendments Rules. 1988 (Hindi and Eng:,sh versions) to Notification No. 71/87 -Cus., published in Notifrc:1tion No. G.S.R. 142 in dated the 1 st March, 1987 so G::tb'tto of Inr.;a d:·1tf,d the 4th ll1::l.rch. 1989 as to delete auto coners from tOJetl,er with a corllgElndum thereto pub- the list of machinery eligible 233 Papers Laid SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Papers Laid 234

for the exemption under the (vi) G.S.R. 492 (E) published in notification. Gazette of India dated the 27th April, 1989 together with an (ii) G.S.R. 459 (E) published in explanatory memorandum Gazette of India dated the 21 st prescribing a concessional April, 1989 together with an basic customs duty of 35 per explanatory memorandum cent ad valorem on circular making certain amendments looms for jute industry to Notification No. 116/88- Cus., dated the 30th March, (vii) G.S.R. 493 (E) published in 1988 so that the facility of Inter- Gazette of India dated the 27th mediate Advance Licensing April, 1989 together with an Scheme can be availed of even explanatory memorandum when the final product export- prescribing concessional ba- ers In an Import Export Pass sic customs only of 35 per cent Book holder. aa valorem on four specified machinery for the manufac- (iii) G.S. R. 486 (E) published in ture of jute felt. Gazette of Indiadated the 27th April, 1989 together with an (viii) G.S.R. 494 (E) published in explanatory memorandum Gazette of India dated the 27th making certain amendments April, 1989 together with an to Notification No. 221188- explanatory memorandum Gus., dated the 18thJuly, 1988 making certain amendments seeking to increase additional to Notification No. 108/89- duties of customs from 10 per Gus., dated the 1st March, cent to 15 per cent ad valorem 1989 so as to prescrihe auxil- on spare parts of compL:ter iary duty of 5 per cent ad val- systems. orem on circular loom and four specified machinery for manu- (iv) G.S.R. 490 (E) published in facture of jute felt. Gazette of India dated the 27th April, 1989 together with an (ix) GSR 498 (E) published in explanatory memorandum Gazette of India dated the 1 st making certain amendments May, 1989 together with an to Notification No. 60/89-Gus., explanatory memorandum dated the 1st March, 1989 so making certain amendments as to deletp. modern automatic to Notification No. 317/87- circular and flat bed looms for Cus., dated the 17th Septem- jute Industry. ber, 1987 so as to specify the list of machinery/equipment (v) G.S.R. 491 (E) published in required to be importeo by the Gazette of India dated the 27th textile machinery industry and April, 1989 together with an to add certain items of machin- explanatory memorandum ery to the list of specified making certain amendments machinery allowed to be im- to Notification No. 489/86- ported by the cutting tools Gus., dated the 18th Decem- industry. ber, 1986 so as to restore the duty-free concession on mod- (x) G.S.R. 507 (E) published in ern automatic flat bed looms Gazette of India dated the 5th for jute industry. May, 1989 together with an 235 Papers Laid JULY 28, 1989 Papers Laid 236

explanatory memorandum May, 1989 together with an making certain amendments explanatory memorandum to Notification No. 631S8-Cus, making certain amendments dated the 1st March, 1988 so to Notification Nos. 280176- as to permit the facility of duty- Cus., 341 176 Cus, 342176-Cus, free clearance for use in any dated 2nd August, 1976 1561 hospital. 86-Cus., dated the 1 st March, 1986, 34S/86-Cus., 346186- (xi) G.S.A. 548 (E) published in Cus., 347186 Cus., dated the Gazette of Indiadatedthe 16th 16th June, 1986, 60/87-Cus, May, 1989 together with an dated the 1st March, 1987 and explanatory memorandum 181187-Cus., dated the 29th making certain amendments April, 1987 50 as to delete to Notification No. 208/81- heading No. 98-06 from the Cus., dated the 22nd Septem- First Schedule to the Customs ber, 1981 so as to include Inter- Tariff Act. feron alpha 2 b' injection which is a life saving drug in the (xvi) G.S.A. 578 (E) published in exempted category of drugs Gazette of India dated the 29th and medicines. May, 1989 together with an explanatory memorandum (xii) G. S.A. 547 (E) published in rescinding Notification Nos. 681 Gazette of India dated the 29th 87-Cus., 6917-Cus., and 1241 May, 1989 together with an 87 -Cus., dated the 1 st March, explanatory memorandum 1987, and 2S7/87-Cus., dated seeking to delete the heading the 21 st September, 1988. 98.06 of the First Schedule to the Customs Tariff Act, 1975 (xvii) G.S.R. 579 (E) published in with eHectfrom 1stJune, 1989. Gazette of India dated the 29th May, 1989 together with an (xiii) G.S.A. 575 (E) published in explanatory memorandum Gazette of Indiadatedthe29th extending the validity of the May, 1989 together with an Notification No. 356/86-Cus ... , explanatory memorandum dated the 17th June, 1987 upto seeking to prescribe basic 31st may, 1990. customs duty of 35 per cent ad valorem on specified goods (xviii) G.S.A. 595 (E) and G.S.R. 590 falling under Chapter 84 or 85 (E) published in Gazette of or 86 or 90 of the first Schedule India dated the 6th June, 1989 to the Customs Tariff Act. together with an explanatory memorandum seeking to pre- (xiv) G.S.A. 576 (E) published in scribed basic Customs duty Gazette of India dated the 29th and auxiliary duty of 30 per May, 1989 together with an cent, on membrances imported explanatory memorandum by a caustic soda plant subject seeking to prescribe basic to certain conditions. [Placed customs duty of 40 per cent ad in Library. See No. L T-807SI valorem on parts of specified 89] instruments and apparatus. (2) A copy each of the following Notifi- (xv) G.S.A. 577 (E) published in cations (Hindi and English versions) Gazette of India dated the 29th under sub-section (2) of section 38 2:37 Papers Laid SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA)Com. on Petitions Report 238

of the Central Excise and Salt Act, Annual Report of the Deposit 1944:- Insurance and Credit Guarantee Corpo- ration Bombay for the period from 1·1· (i) G.S.A. 1217 (E) published in 1988 to 31·3-1989 and Agreement dated Gazette of India dated the 28th 28-2·1989 entered Into between the December, 1988 together with State Government of Slkklm and an explanatory memorandum Reserve Banks of India seeking to waive payment of Central Excise duty leviable THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on video cassette tapes re- DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE ~ THE corded with advertisement for MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A. K. promotion of sales of articles PANJA): On behalf of my colleage, Shri other than the recorded ar- Eduardo Faleiro, I beg to lay on the Table:- ticles itself, on which no duty t}ad been recovered during the (1) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi period 1st March, 1982 to 19th and English versions) of the De- May, 1987. posit Insurance and Credit Guar- antee Corporation, Bombay, forthe (ii) G.S.R 554 (E) published in period from 1st January, 1988 to Gazette of India dated the 17th 31st March, 1989 along with Au- May, 1989 together with an dited Accounts under sub-section explanatory memorandum (2) of section 32 of the Deposit making certain amendments Insurance and Guarantee Corpo- to Notification No. 84/87-CE ration Act, 1961. [Placed in Library. dated the 1st March, 1987. See No. LT- 8077/89]

(iii) G.S.A. 612 (E) published in (2) A copy of the Agreement (Hindi Gazette of Indiadatedthe 12th and English versions) dated the June, 1989 together with an 28th February, 1989, entered into explanatory memorandum between the State Government of seeking to waive payment of Sikkim and Reserve Bank of Central Excise duty leviable India under sub-section (2) of on certain specified stationery section 21 A of the Reserve Bank items falling under chapter·48 of India Act, 1934. [Placed in of the Schedule to the Central Library. See No. L T 8078/89] Excise Tariff Act, 1985 during the period commencing on the 28th February, 1986 and end- ing with the 28th February, 12.09 hrs. 1987. COMMITIEE ON PETITIONS (iv) G.S.A. 613 (E) published in Gazette of Indiadatedthe 12th Thirteenth Report June, 1989 together with an explanatory memorandum. [English]

(v) G.S.A. 660 (E) published in SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL Gazette of lndia dated the 30th (Kopargaon): l beg to present the Thirteenth June, 1989 together with an Report (Hindi and English versions) of the explanatory memorandum. Committee on Petitions. [Placed in Library. See No. LT 8076/89] 239 Jt. Com. on Indian Med. JULY 28. 1989 Business of House 240 Council (Amdt.) Bill Report

12.09 1/2 hrs. Amendment) Bill, 1989.

JOINT COMMITIEE ON INDIAN MEDI· 3. General discussion on the Kama- CAL COUNCIL (AMENDMENT) BILL. taka Budget for 1989-90. 1989 4. DiscUSSIr'lf'I and voting on the [English] Dematl(~, Jr Grants in respect of the Stat~ ( Karnataka for 1989-90. Report and Evidence 5. Consideration and passing of the DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI (Sam- Employees State Insurance balpur): I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the (Amendment) Bill, 1989, as passed Repot (Hindi and English versions) of the by Rajya Sabha. Joint Committee on the Indian Medical Council (Amendment) Bill, 1987. [Trans/ation J

I also lay on the Table a copy of the SHRI AKHTAR HASAN (Kairana): Mr. Evidence tendered before the Joint Commit- Deputy Speaker, Sir, the following matter tee on the Indian Medical Council (Amend- may be included in the next week's agenda. ment) Bill, 1987. I want to draw the attention of the Gov- ernment towards judicial system in the country. Firstly, suits in civil courts are not taken 12.01 hrs. up for hearing in the order of seen numbers assigned to them, due to which many cases [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair} remain pending for a long time. Secondly, hearing of appeals takes longer time than BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE the time taken in original suits. In many cases, plaintiffs and respondents die before [English] their suits are decided. Thirdly, usually lawyers go on making request for listing the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cases on fresh dates. MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DE- It is my suggestion that appeals should PARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PET- be treated at par with the original suits and ROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY OF appeals should also be disposed of on INDUSTRY (SHRI P. NAMGYAL): With your monthly quota basis as in done in case of permission, Sir, I rise to announce that original suits and not more than two request Government Business in this House during of attorneys for fresh date should be enter- the week commencing 31st July, 1989, wil: tained and that too on special g rounds. Some consist of:- law should be enacted in this regard. This will benefit plaintiffs and well as respondents 1. Consideration of any item of Gov- and cases will also be disposed of expedi- ernment Business carried overfrom tiously. Today's Order paper. SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN (Damoh): 2. Consideration and passing of:- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the following them may please be included in the next week's (a) The Constitution (Sixty-fourth agenda:- Amendment) Bill, 1989. About 60 per cent of the total of tendu (b) The Constitution (Sixty-third leaves are collected in Madhya Pradesh. As 241 Business 01 House SRAV ANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Business of House 242 many as 70 lakh bags of tendu lea'.'es were ures for the diseases in the rural areas, will collected last year. About 43lakh bags have face a serious set-back. Besides, this will been coflected this year. Maximum number create serious unemployment problem for of about 10 lakh bidi workers are engaged in severallakhs of educated people. bidi making in Madhya Pradesh. This requires to be ensured that they get work 2. Millions of faimers in Balasore and throughout the year and they are not ren- Mayu rbhanj districts of Orissa State are facing dered jobless due to shortage of bidi leaves. acute crisis to raise the Kharif paddy crops Hthey are rendered jobless, theirf::im ilies Will from their fields which are now exposed to have to face problem of livelihood. The floods and saline inundations, due to non- Government of India should ensure guaran- repair and reconstruction of embankments, tee of work for them. which were either severely damaged or washed away by the very high speed cy- SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota): Mr. clone of 26th May, 1989 and serve floods in Deputy Speaker Sir, the following may be Subarnarekha river. Unless the repairs and included in the next week's agenda:-"Sta1e reconstructions works to these damaged Highway number 17 connects Kota, the embankments started on war footing, mil- industrial capital of Rajasthan, with Shlvpuri hans of acres of cultivated lands would bein Madhya Pradesh. At Shi"puri the said come barren. Highway joins National Highway number 3 which links Delhi, Agra and Bombay. Kota is [ Trans/ation] situated on the National Highway number 12 which connects Jaipur and Jabalpur. Kota DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI does not have a rail link with Shivpun. Due to (Khalilabad): Mr. Deputy -Speaker Sir, the this, Ko:a and its neighbouring districts suct, financial year 1988-89 IS an important one as Bundi, Jhalawar and Chittor are not well for the India economy because there has connected withJhansi, Gwalior and Shivpuri been approximately 9% Increase in national by road or rail. income and 17% to 20% increase in foodgrain produGtion. But, despite an increase in agri- Upgradation of State Highway number cultural production discontentment in the 17 wi" link Lucknow and Kanpur With Jalpur farming community is Increasing because and open up new vist3s of development. tJ-:ey are nm getting remunerative prices for their produce. There has been a steady I request the Ministry of Surface Trans- dedine in the contributioP1 of agriculture to port of the Central Government to declare the national income. in 1950, agriculture Kota-Shivpuri as a Nationn! Highway and accounted for 50% of the total national in- link National Highway number 12 with Na- come whereas !rl 1988-89 its contribution is tional Highway number 25. merely 31 %. The percentage of people el"'gaged In agriculture and allied opprations [English] has remamed static.

SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA !Balas(11e): Hence. I wOLild roquest the Central The following may be included In the next Govemmerit to formulate a scheme that week's agenda: mitigates the suffering of farmers and also reduces the I"'umberof people dependent on 1. The Union Government has with- agricultu.e for a living. Prosperity in the drawn the third Medical Officer post from all agricultural sector would lead to prosperity in the P .H.C.'s in the country and decided to the farmIng community. abolish the post of village Health Guide. This has become a matter of great concern for the SHRI MADAN PANDEY (Gorakhpt;r); entire rural people of the country, as the Mr. Deputy -Speaker, Sir, in Uttar pradesh treatments, prevelltive and curative meas- the districts of Basti and Gonda and Gora- 243 Business of House JULY 28, 1989 Business at Hous. 244

[Sh. Madan Pandey] 12%onthe amount due to them. They shoukf be given 400 square yard plots and one khpur in particular have had heavy rainfall. member of each farmer's family should be This has led to floods in Rapti, Rohin, Aami provided a job. Along with the compensa- and Gorra rivers. Floods have destroyed the tion, farmers should be given certificates of Lohgaura dam in Gorakhpur district and the plots allotted to them so that they don't enbankment built to protect Gorakhpur city have to go to the Court. has also been damaged. Standing crops on lakhs of acres of land have been destroyed SHRI NANDLAL CHOUDHARY (Sa- and in several villages, there has been heavy gar): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the following loss of life and property. Flood waters have may be induded in the next week's agenda:- entered Gorakhpur town and several houses have collapsed. The Central Governm9nt Sagar district of Madhya Pradesh is a should immediately provide assistance in backward district from the industrial point of cash and kind. view. A survey was conducted through the Bharat petroleum Corporation Limited in Inthe Gorakhpur district of Uttar pradesh, order to set up an oil refinery at Bina which is many weavers are dependent on Handloom located in this district. Bina is located or a industry. In the past several years there has central place of the country and is ideal for been a depression in this industry, as a result setting up this refinery from every point of of which these weavers are suffering. Faulty view. There used to be a loco-shed at Bina implementation of the Government's Textile railway junction where servicing of steam Policy has made the s~uatlon worse for engines was undertaken. But w~h the intro- them. Co-operative societies have become duction of electric traction on the Indian indebted and dormant. The main reasons for Railways, this loco-shed, was closed down this are fall in sales of finished goods al"d the rendering jobless several thousand workers high prices of thread. The non-implementa- employed there. To encounter this unfortu- tion of the proposal to establish handloom nate situation it becomes all the more neces- towns at various places including Gorakhpur sary to up the OIl refinery there. in adding to an already bad situation. Hence, the Central GOY'ernment is requested to inter- [English] vene in the matter in order to redeem the situation. DR. G.S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): The following items may be included in the next SHRI BHARAT SINGH (Outer Delhi): week's agenda:- Mr. Deputy -Speaker, Sir, the following may be included in next week's agenda:- (i) Vidyapati was a great post of Maithili, Hindi and Bangia. In order to commemorate Whenever Delhi Administration acquires his memory it is requested that the Central land belonging to farmers, ~ pays a meagre Government should construct a Vidyapati compensation to them. And that too is not Bhawan in Delhi where scholars from differ- paid in time. Interest is also not paid on ent parts of the country could gather and do delayed payments. Apart from this, the D.D .A. research on the great poet. treats them callously as they are given 150 square yard plots instead of 400 square yard (2) People of North Bihar, panicularly of plots. Mithila region have virtually no medical facility. They feel greatly harassed when they In request the Governmer.t to pay ade- come to Delhi for the treatment. It is, there- quate compensation to the farmers for their fore, requested that a Medical Institute on land and the payment shou~ be made the pattern of All India institute of Medical immediately. In case of delay in payment the Sciences, New Delhi, be set up in the Mithila farmers should be paid interest at the rate of region of North Bihar. 245 SAC. Report SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) SmaR IndustrieS 246 Dev. Bank Bil SHRI SYEO SHAHABUODIN (Kishan- OUSTRY (SHRI P. N~MGYAl): I beg to ganj): The following items may be included in move: the next week's agenda for discussion:- "That this House do agree with the (1) Rising discontent and sense of inse- Seventy-third Report of the Business curity among the religious ethnic and lingUis- Advisory Committee presented to the tic minorities of the country is a matter of House on the 27th July, 1989." national concern. The annual reports of the Commission for linguistic Minorities and the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question annual reports of the Minorrties Commission IS: have not been discussed in this House for yours. Nor has any report been submitted by "That this House do agree wi~h the the Government on the implementation and Seventy third Report of the Business the achievement& of the P.M.'s 15-Point Advisory Committee presented to the programme for the WeHare of the MinOrities. House on the 27th July, 1989." The Gopal Singh Panel Report on the Mi- norities has not yet been tabled. The motion was adopted

(2) No progress has been made for the implementation of the Mandai Commission's recommendations which have b&en under 12.26 hrs. consideration for a decade. This has Im- peded the progress towards socia! Justice SMALL INDUSTRIES DEVELOPMENT and p3rticipatory democracy. The other BANK OF INDIA BILL - Contd. backward classes are d~mandlng due share in administration and in higher education. [English]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No, the MIN ISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS House will take up further consideration of AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DE- the motion moved by Shri Eduardo Faleiro PARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PET- on the 26th July, 1989. Shrimati Prabhawati ROCHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY OF Gupta to speak. INDUSTRY (SHRI P. NAMGYAL): Sir, I will place the suggestions of the han. Members [ Trans/ation] before the Businass Advisory Committee when it meets next. SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA (Motihari): I shall be very brief.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support the 12.25 hrs. Small Scale Industries Development Bank of India Bill brought forward by the hon. BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMIITEE Minister of State, Shri Eduardo Faleiro.

Seventy-Th ird Report It is a historic Bill which will create more avenues of employment and bring economic [English] revolution in the villages since the main objective of this Bill is to develop the villages THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and provide financial assistance to industrial MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS un~s and promote them, provide them tech- AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DE- nical know-how and marketing facilities in PARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO- the backward areas where industries have CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY OF IN- become sick for want of capital. The obiec- 247 Smallindustriss JULY 28, 1989 Dw. Bank BiB 248

[Smt. Prabhawati Gupta] rupees is invested in small industries or offered to this bank the Government would tives of the Bill are very good and therefore, not make any enquiries about the source of I welcome it. such wealth. Later, if you undertake a search it will y~1d more money and, therefore, the Just as the Jawahar Rozgar Yojana is a Government can provide more assistance to revolutionary scheme and revolutionary steps these industries. are being taken through 64th and 65th Constitution Amendment Bills, similar steps The small scale industries have contrib- are being taken under this Bill. There are uted significantly to the economic revolution some basic problems before the industries in the country. Out of tha total production in and all these problems should be solved the country, 50 per cent is received from the through this Bill. I feel that cottage industries small scale sector. In export also, their con- should also be included ill it. Setting up of tribution in 25 per cent more than the others. small Scale Industries Development bank is Thus, it has made a significant contribution a good step taken by the Government. But economic revolution i!1 the country. I WOUld, there are lakhs of Cottage Industries in the therefore, like to congratulate the Govern- country which have become sick for want of ment for paying attention to it. I would like to capital. It will be better if these industries are add that the I.D.B.I. did a good job. While also covered under this Bill. moving he Bill, the hon. Minister stated that financial assistance to th~ extent of Rs. 1491 The industrial revolution coupled with croras was provided upto March, 1989-·a revolution in generation of electricity took period of nine months--which was 30 to 31 place in the West in the beginning of 18th per cent more than the amount provided in century. These revolutions changed the very 1 eS7-SS. Still I wculd be forth night and that face of this part of the world. On the contrary, the units of the small scale industries have in the pre-independence period in our coun- been badly ignored by the I.D.B.1. I, there- try we passed through a phase when every fore, request you not to appoint the Chair- thing was being imported, bearing marks man of 1.0.B.1. as tbe Chairman of the Small 'Made in England' or 'Made in Germany'_ Scale Industries Development Bank. When Even a small needle was being imported. you are going to mLll\e it a separate body you Our industrial policy was formulated in 1956 should also appoint an export as the Chair- and thereafter industrial revolution also did rnan of this bank. Aperson who has compas- take place in our country. Heavy industlies sion and is well informed about he problems were set up in steel sector. Industries were of rural areas should be made the Chairman set up at the village level. The policy was of this bank. widely acclaimed. Industria: comple:xes were set up at different plac;e~. But the work that The Government has \.moert2ken that it was ~u~pased to ~e done far the develop- will pt ovide technical know-how for all round ment of small scale Industries has not been deveiop!Tlent. It h35 also prOClaimed that it done so far. I haVl~ already said that capital will upgrade technology alid invest money in is a major handicap_ As such It wil! be better sma!! scale industri€s and cottage industries if the Goverr!Tlent pays attention to It. with special emphasis on smal! sec-Ie industries, and do everything to manufacture Wealth WOrt1 biilions of rupees in the quality goods. The Government has taken a form of jewellery is laying unutilised in the good step for the dev~lopment of small scale hidden cotters in our country. The Gove,'n- industries by setting up this bank. In this ment should make every effort to see that connection I would like to urge the Govern- this wea~h comes into circulation and is in ment to deal with the power aspect also. the small scale industries. The Government Power is a serious problem coming in the should make an announcement that if the industrial revolution and development of small concealed black money worth billions of scale industries. I agree with the view ex- 249 SmaH Industries SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 250 pressed by you that this bank will play a where there is large potential of developing significant role in the economic development small scale industries. It is rich fertile land of our country. I, therefore, request you to gifted with number of rivers. If power is take care of the power factor also in this Bill. generated there raw material will also available. You are facing the problem of raw You have stated that its headquarters material. The small scale industries are not will be located in Lucknow. I have nothing to getting raw material. The quota of raw mate- say about the location of its headquarters in rial allocated to States and distributedthrough Lucknow. But it must have a its branches in Small Scaie Industries Corporations falls in every State. Until and unless its branches the hands of big people and it is being sold in are opened in every district, it will be mean- Bombay, Calcutta and madras. (lnte"up- ingless because industries will be developed tions) I WOUld, therefore say that Govern- by the people in the districts. Lakhs of units ment's objective will be fulfilled only when it are lying closed in North Bihar due to short- pays attention to all these points while set- age of power and for want of capital. I, ting up a bank. If the Government takes therefore, suggest that Kati Thermal Power proper steps, the rural economy will be Station which is not out of the way should be strengthened. I once again extend my sup- Included in this scheme. One more thing that port to this Bill. I would like to say is that the Government should make available services of to the 12.34 hours people. Due to lack of quality, the work is affected and as also the demand for the [English) production the market. You should pay attention to all these things. SHRI ASHOK SHANKARRAO CHAVAN (Nanded): Sir, I rise to support the As regards the composition of the Board Bill. It has been introduced mainly to proof Directors,l would like to suggest that mote the small-scale industries in this coun- people's representatives must be included try. Today, we are completing 20 years of in it. I would like to draw your attention to one Bank nationalisation. Today we cannot for- more thing. There are big banks, small banks, get Indira-ji who took the initiative at that time Rural Banks besides the State Bank of India, to nationalise the Banks because you will the Allahabad Bank, Bank of Baroda under remember that prior to Bank nationalisation the Government'c; control, but Corruption it was only the selected class which used to has become the order of the day in these benefit from the Banks. But today due to institutions. How would you ensure that the Indira-ji foresight or vision, we can see that small units which are on the verge of closure the money is going to the poor-man and the do not face such situation for want of capital. needy class. That is why, it was Indiraji's You should, at least, assure the people that vision and toresight because of which we there will be no corruption in the Bank that could see today's Bill. I congratulate the you are going to set up, because these are Minister for taking th is very positive step and the people who will approach the bank for also our respected Prime Minister who has loans and they will face the same situation. taken all the pains to see that the small scale For example, there is a provision for grant of sector in the country benefits. But lot needs loan to the tune of Rs.S,OOO to As. 10,000 to be done to create an healthy atmosphere under the anti-poverty programme, but in to promote small scale industries in this actual practice people get only Rs. 2,000. As country. There is a large competition which such the institution which you are going to the small scale sector ha::. to laCd from the set up should be clean and free from corrup- multinationals, from the established indus- tion. Then only your bank can deliver the tries. That is why, this small scale sector goods and your objective can be fulfilled. I needs some protection and healthy atmos- would like to urge the Government to open at phere needs to be created to see that the least one branch of this bank, in North Bihar small scale sector comes up rapidly. We 251 Smalllndustrk/s JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank SiN 252

[Sh. Ashok Shankarrao Chavan] Lastly, the most important point of it is the necessary marketing infrastructure which have observed that in these twenty years of has been lacking so far because what has bank nationalisation the advances made by been produced by the small scale industries the small scale sector have increased from does not find a suitable market. Even if they Rs. 286 crores to Rs. 16,000 crores. But, it is, make their best efforts, large multinationals at the same time, necessary to see how this and the big houses make it extremely difficult money is being utilised-whether it will be for the small scale industries to thrive, to utilised in the proper manner and if any flaws come up properly. So, I feel, if these points are there in the system, that should be rec- are taken care of, we will be doing an excel- titied torthe benefit of the small scale sector. lent job through this Small Industries Bank for the small industries. The most important point which I would like to stress here is that the banks will have Another point which needs the kind at- to shift from the metropolitan cities to the tention of the Minister is the District Indus- area of their operation. We have observed tries Centres or the DIC which have been that most of the regional offices of these operating at various districts. What we have banks are situated in big cities whereas their observed today is that these District Indus- area of operation, the people who are going tries Centres have become mere post of- to benefit from these banks are in the rural fices. Each and every proposal whether it is areas. So, the step has to be taken to see feasible or not is mainly, like a post office, that these regional offices are located in the sent to the bank and the bank simply rejects area of their operation where the people will all these proposal. If you see the figures at benefit. As a result of that, a lot of time and how many cases were recommended by the money of the Antrepreneurs will be saved DIC and out of these how many were turned hom gOing to the Cities to gel their proposals down, you will find the figures alarming. I sanctIoned whIch can be speedily imple- would request that when we talk of a single mented. Window clearance for the last so many years, it is necessary that the DIG does not function Another point which I feel is necessary as a mere post otfice. We should have (Jur to be stressed here IS that we should find out representative of a lead bank which is com- today when we are establishing the Small patent enough to seethat whatever proposal Industries Bank, how many small scale in- is sent to the DIG is properly exam Ined. At dustries In the country are sick today and the this juncture you can decide whether you reason why they are sick and how the Small want to forward the proposal to the bank or Industnes Bank is going to rectify all that you want to reject it. But cnce the proposal is whIch had been happening earlier. Only taken as feasible at the DIG level, then there then, in true sense. we can have satisfaction should be no reason for any financial institu- of doing something which IS really required tion to turn it down. By this you can save the forthe small scale sector. The reasons which time of the enterpreneur and ha gets all the everybody knows, today are mainly due to a Inspiration to see that his proposal is sanc- number of factors. The most important among tioned in time and he goes ahead with what- them IS the uncertainty of the supply of raw ever proposal he has in mind. material which my hon. colleagues repeated earlier and also the lack of managerral But what is happening today is exactly competence among the entrepreneurs, to the opposite. The DIC forwards the pro- some extent. Since the Bank is also going to posal, it goes to the bank and from one bank take up the responsibility of entrepreneural to another he has to spend a lot of time. It is development, this is a major task which will exactly contrary to what we want today in the have to be taken up by the Bank to see that country. H we are talking about a single they have the managerial competence to window dearance, let up take the minimum deal with the problem. time to clear a proposal and all this should be 253 Small Industries SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 254

done at the DIC level. I feel jf the procedure in regard to marketing. Unfortunately this is is simplified, he will definitely go ahead in not happening in the country.

I time and his proposal can also be expedited and necessary resutts achieved, for which There is a lot of corruption which is the bank can also take up the necessary involved and that is why even though the responsibility. quality of the goods manufactured by our small scale industries is good, they are not Another point which needs to be verified given any opportunity. So, a tiE' up is required is the industrial potential of every district. We whereby the material which is of quality see that when a proposal for an oil mill manufactured by our small scale industries comes up in a district, there are ten similar gets some help from the Government sector, proposals for oil mills coming simultane- the public enterprises and it is purchased by ously and as usual they are simply sanc- this department on a major scale so that the tioned. So on a large basis a survey will have problem of marketing can a!so be solved. • to be taken to see what the potential of every district it. Similarly, in the transport sector if you observe, a numberof advances are given for As the Prime Minister has undertaken our trucks. tempos. light commercial ve- technology missions to see what is the po- hicles, etc. The observation today is that a tential of every area, how tele-communica- number of banks have stopped advancing tlon facilities have to be improved, how much money to this sector because they say that rainfall is there is an area, etc: similarly some the recovery in this sector is poor. But I would sort of a survey has to be taken to see that ask, has any effort been made earlier to flnc the potential of every district is found out and out why the recovery is poor. When the sma i, accordingly we promote only such industries scale sector man goes into the market, he as have potential in that area. Then we can has to face stiff competition from the organ- give money through these banks only to Ised operators. The Government floats a such industries as have the potential for the number of tenders everyday. Whatever area decision is arrived at, why don't you give priority to the small sector man to whom you Marketing facilities today is a major have advanced money recently? If this tie up problem which our small scale industries is there, Nhatever rates are decid\~d by the have been constantly facing. The small scale Govern,nent, definitely the small sector man Industry needs to be protected. at least till is goirg to repay them In time. He will also be the point the money is repaid by them com- tree from whatevpr liability i~ there and the pletely. When we advance the rnoneythrough Government money is also recovered. Some our bank, it is also our responsibility to see sort of tie up arrangement from the Govern- that proper protection is given and the entire ment sector, from the public enterprise is money which has been financed to him is required so that advances can be given in repaid in time. This has to be done. this sector also. And some help can be given. We have also introduced the National Equity Scheme for which seed capital is We will observe that by the Government given to entrepreneurs to start their own department itself in every district so much industries. But t~ese require some encour- purchase is done on a large scale. In Mahar- agement and a numberof entrepreneurs are ashtra if you take for example, we have to still not aware of that sort of a scheme. If you SIDeD which is a big organisation con- take the analysis of how much money has structing houses for the middle class people been given under this Equity Scheme, we and the poor. So much of material is required find that in most of the places, the targets by them regularly. If the same material is have not been achieved. Here something purchased from the small scale industries, should be done so that lot of entrepreneurs this can avoid the problems which are arising will come forward inthe small scale industry. 255 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank Bill 256

[Sh. Ashok Shankarrao Chavan] sort of amendment should made which will help such persons. One point which is important is about bank deposits. As a matter of precedence, I would lastly thank the hon. Minister tor so much of Government deposits are auto- taking a very positive step, by taking local matically going to big banks. I would suggest MPs and MLAs in the District-level Steering that if the bank's performance is taken as the Committee. This measure will go a long way criterion for giving the deposits, then some in taking a proper decision at the district level sort of improvement we will observe in the to promote young enterpreneurs. working of the banks. There are a number of banks which are getting Government just as [ Translation] a matter of precedence- whether they function or not; whether their performance is SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN (Damoh): good or bad; or whether they have attended Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, a new awareness to the priority sector or not. They have been has been brought about by the Jawahar getting advances regularly just as a matter of Razgar Yojana in the country. People have precedence. expressed their confidence in it. On behalf of the House, I would like to c01gratulate the Han. Prime Minister for this scheme. Before MR. DEPUTY SPEAI{ER: You have the Jawahar Rozgar Yojana, came into exis- taken sufficient time. Please wind up. tence funds meant for the development of villages were not fully utilised. But, now the SHRI ASHOK SHANKARRAO funds will be directly provided to the pan- CHAVAN: I am finishing, sir. This thing can chayats. Different programmes of develop- be taken care of. I believe, if those banks, ment will be undertaken in the villages, in- which are performing well, are given ad- stilling a sense of responsibility in volunteers vances, then some sort of incentive will be and social workers in the villages towards there and the banks will also function in a their task. proper manner. [English] Lastly, we observe that the payment wHich is being made from the Government MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please con- departments to a person in the small scale fine yourself to tre Small Industries Devel- sector, often goes very lately. The person is opment Bank of India Bill. working on a very small working capital and if the payment does not come for years [ Translation) together, how do we expect him to repay the loan taken by him and how do we expect him SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN: Mr. Dep- to rotate the same money for doing busi- uty Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Small ness? If these Government departments pay Industries Development Bank of India Bill. in time, he will have reasonable amount of When a person seeks bank loan for setting money for this own business. Recently a Bill up a small scale industry under the Self- had been introduced in Lok Sabha which Employment Scheme he has to face many has, now, become an Act, by which if a difficulties. Even after completing all the cheque bounces back, the person who is- formalities, he doesn't get positive answer sued the cheque is liable for prosecution. from the bank. He does not know whether his Why not we think of similar amendment that loan has been sanctioned or not. He has to those people who harass the small scale make many rounds of the bank and the industries person and those who do not collectorate. Therefore, I would like to sug- make the payment in time, are also pun- gest in this regard that a timeJimit of two ished? Then, the person in the small scale months should be fixed for the disposal of sector will get the benefit. Therefore some applications submitted in the banks under 257 SmaJllndustries SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bin 258 the Self-Employment Scheme. They should CHEMICALS IN THE MINISTRY OF IN- get the loans in all circumstances within this DUSTRY (SHRI P. NAMGYAL): Hthe House time limit. Besides, the fate of the applica- agrees, I have no objection. tions should also be intimated to them. Today large number of cases under the Self-Em- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Is it the pleas- ployment Scheme are pending with the banks ure of the House to dispense with the lunch for years. People make rounds of the banks hour? but they do not come to know about the factual position. SOME HON. MEMBERS:Yes.

While the small industrialists are asked MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: So, there will time and again to submit the same papers not be any lunch-break today. which they have already submitted, big industries are generously sanctioned loans by SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI (Bel- the banks. The banks do not sanction loans lary): Sir, at the outset, I welcome this Bill to to the former in spite of their repeated re- establish the Small Industries Development quests that the papers have already been Bank of India as the principal financial insti- submitted. In this way, all the schemes of the tution forthe promotion, financing and devel- Government remain on paper only. Although opment of industry in the small-scale sector criteria are laid down by the Government, and to co-ordinate the functions of the insti- still we get lot of complaints from time to time tutions engaged in the promotion, financing about their violation by the banks. When an or developing industry in the Small-scale industry does not get the loan in time, debts sector and for matters connected therewith from other sources go on increasing jeop- or incidental thereto. ardining the smooth functioning of that industry. They don't have sufficient working As promised by our previous Finance capital to depend on ar.d to carry on their Minister at the time of presentation of the operations. As a result. the new industry budget during the year 1988-89, this Bill has either closes down or becomes sick before it come into effect. Today, there are vanous is commissioned. So a minimum time limit banks. The lOBI is mainly responsible for should be fixed for the Small Industries promoting major and medium industries. Development Bank to release loans. Spe- There is the NABARD which is very much cific guidelines should be given to them interested in promoting the development of regarding the formalities to be completed by agriculture. Very recently, we have started a an industry. The time limit should be fixed by separate bank for the construction of houses the Government and every applicant sh()uld and so on. This Bank is in the right direction. get loan, grant or the incentive within that The main object of setting up this Bank is to time limit. I hope that the hon. Minister will see that the rural youth and the educated consider my suggestion seriously so that no youth will get an opportunity to set up indus- new industry is closed or becomes sick be- tries in the remote areas. This would cer- fore it is commissioned due to lack of funds. tainly bring decentralisation in the industrial sector because we are rightly th inking that all [English] the powers, which have been centralised so far, should be decentralised and it should SOME HON. MEMBERS: Since many reach the grassroot level. Such being the hon. Members want to participate in the case, this Bill is very very important and care debate, let us forego the lunch break. should be taken to see how best and wholeheartedly we can reach the needy persons. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE While dealing with the small-scale industries MiNISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS to go into the interior places, we should also AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DE- see that the persons who are going to be PARTMENT OF CHEMICAL AND PETRO- benefited are the most ignorant persons- 259 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank BiN 260

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Due to these reasons many of the in- maybe non-technical persons, maybe they dustries have become sick. H is not due to are not very much well-versed in promoting the fault of the entrepreneurs; it is not due to these industries, maybe they may not be the fault of any bankers. This is due to some having proper managerial experience. There- cheating by the industriar.sts which has re- fore, when we are dealing with such per- sulted in so many industries becoming sick. sons, we should be very careful in setting up such industries. Today,IDBI is doing a very Another aspect which we have to con- good work. Because of these efforts, the sider is regarding the growth centres and the country could achieve greater progress in no-industries State. The districts which have the field of industrial development. We are been declared has no-industry districts are proud that we are 9th in the rank compared very few. They are not uniform. In one State, to other developed nations. there are so many districts as no-industry districts and in another State like Karnataka, we have got only one such district. The While doing this, we should also think entrepreneurs are thinking that they will get why so many small industries have become a lot of subsidies and incentives. Even though sick. My friend has given one or two reason. the raw materials are not available, even To add to this, I would like to say that there though the market facilities are not avaiiable, are many more reasons. The first and fore- they go to such places or districts only for most will be that there is a delay in sanction- getting some subsidies and incentives. So. ing the term loans and in selection of site for for setting up small scale industries, thes,=, location of the industry. There are other hurdles should not come in the way. The reasons like the insufficient sanctioning of subsidies which you are going to give for the working capital and also not getting proper sma" scale industries should be uniform marketing facilities. Very often, power tariffs thoughout. For example, there are districts have been increased indiscriminately by the with scarce subsidies and there are some State Electricity Boards, etc. Due to power- districts with subsidies as equal to the cen- cuts also. most of the industries go sick. This tral subsidies. This confusion is prevailing is the major difficulty which the small-scale among the entrepreneurs. Therefore, the industries are facing today. subsidies which you are going to giVe should be uniform. It is not only that. They should be Another very important thing is that in so given regularly also. In my own case, there many industries, the technology which has was a delay of three to four years. You have been prescribed by the technocrats is not given the subsidy. But the State Govern- good. It is not proper. I can say that the ment could not give the subsidy amount. persons who set up such industries have Therefore, we have become defaulters. The beenfooled. For example, we have set up so money which you have given in the form of many mini-and micro-cement plants. We subsidy, has been taken away tov/'~rds have used this technology. You will be sur- payment of interest since we could not pay prised that more than three to four hundred the amount. These are the cases which you mini-cement plants have become sick due to have to look into. If such is the situation, I do the faulty machinery which these industries not think that any sma" scale industry will have been getting. Sometimes sub-stan- come LIp inspite of our best efforts. dard machinery is being supplied to the entrepreneurs. We don't know what kind of The next thing is that there are a lot of machinery is being supplied to them. We tell proceduldl delays. This has to be simplified. them. They place firm orders. You will sur- So many people do not know the procedure. prised that the machinery which they have I would like to say on the Floor of this House been supplied is sub-standard. that the procedure to be followed in the 261 SmaJIlndustries 5RA VANA 6, 191 1 (SAKA) Dev. Bank BiN 262 approval of the projed report should be raw materials. The concerned officer must printed in the regional languages also. Only see that somehow or the other, the raw then a person will know as to what he is material is made available to the entrepre- doing. He just cannot close his eyes and neurs. He must get the raw material that he simply sign the documents. To know what he had projected at the time of presenting his is doing, it should be printed in the regional report. languages. 50 many times, we sign documents without knowing what is there in those Now, about the Bill. In regard to the documents. Finally, when it comes to the constitution of the Board, I request that one implementation part, we become very much lady entrepreneurs must be taken in the scared. This is how things are going. So, the Board. As you know, ladies are now coming procedure should be written in the regional forward in every field. We are very much languages so that the person cal'l know as to interested in taking up small industries. We what kind of assistance he is going to get. are very much interested in food processing Procedural delays can also be avoided by industries. How can the farmers get a remu- this. nerative price unless their produce is made a value-added product? Our Prime Minister Another aspect is regarding the super- has been laying a great stress that people visory staff. I think the millionaires and big should come forward to change the produce undertakings can manage any amount of of the farmers into value-added products like supervisory staff. If 21 or 22 persons cometo food processing, fruit juice etc. Women are a small unit for supervision, how is it possible quite capable of doing such things provided for us to manage? It is not possible. One or they get proper training, proper encourage- two or a group of persons can come for ment and proper incentives. Therefore, a supervision who can advise as to what to do lady in the Board of this organization would and how to improve. If such things are sim- be very much desirable. plified, I think the situation will improve. Now I come to the Bill. As stated by my friend, a Then, you have stated that the head- survey has to be undertaken by each district quarters of this would be at Lucknow. We depending upon the resources available have not seen Lucknow till now. Anyway, there. Resources are different in each place that is all right. and the craftsmen are also different. We cannot consider it uniformly. Every district As I said, there must be a lady in the has its own potential. In my district, only iron Board. Do not think that we are not capable; ores, manganese and granite ores, long I am myself managing the affairs of a com- staple cotton and oilseeds are available. So, pany; which has been working very satisfac- depending upon the resources available in torily. Do not think that we are not capable of the place, a thorough survey has to be made running industries. We are more prompt in before taking a decision. Only then, the small repayment of loans than anybody else. This scale industries will survive. We should not I would like to say emphatically on the floor encourage people who set up industries in of this House. places, for the sake of subsidies and incentives, where there is no marketing facilities Then, the term of the members of the and where there are no raw materials also. I Board should not be six years; it should be would like to say my own experience of mini five years. cement plants. Coke is the main raw material in the mini-cement plant. It is being brought THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from Orissa. The cost of coke is a good as DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS one bag of cement. These are the things on IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI which you have to think of. The working EDUARDO FALEIRO): Let me clarify this. capital has to be sanctioned taking into There seems to be a misconception about consideration the difficulties in getting the the term of office of the members of the 263 Sma/II,ldustries JULY 28. 1989 Dev. Bank BiR 264

(Sh. Eduardo Faleiro} At the outset, I would draw the attention of the han. Minister to the difficulties being Board. tt is not six years; it is not provided in faced by the entrepreneurs while dealing the Bill. What is provided is that the term with scheduled banks and others. I will quote should not exceed three years and the per- a particular instance of a man who is suffer- son can be renominated only once, that six ing immeasurably because of initial mistake years in totality The term, therefore, is not of mine. Madam, Chairman, it was in the even three years; it should not exceed three year 1980 that I happened to lead a Parlia- years. mentary delegation to some European countries, includ iog Kuwait. When I went to Kuwait, SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI: I met a young man from my constituency, my Thank you. district. He was know as Laxmi Narayan Goyel. He was minting money in Kuwait for Then, clauses 37, 38 and 39 talk of the the last 19years.1 said, "laxmiNarayan, you penal action. I am very much afraid. tf a are an engineer. You have money enough woman becomes a defaulter, then the Dis- and to spare. Why don't you come home and trict magistrate will resort to these penal set up an industry in India." He said that he provisions. We should be more careful while would have to face so many difficulties. I making use of tnese penal provisions in assured him of all help. He was taken in by regard to entrepre,)eurs. my tell talks. He came to India, purchased a plot measuring 600 Sq. yards in Okhla In- Sir, I do not want to take more time of the dustrial Estate and invested all his earnings, House. With these remarks, I thank the han. i.e. foreign exchange to the tune of Rs. 62 Minister for bringing forward this Bill. Finally, lakhs. His son who was an engineer had I submit that in regard to interest, excise duty done his MBA in America. he was getting and customs duty, we should be very care- very good offers in America. He too was ful; it should not be uniform; in comparison to persuaded to return home and join his father. medium and other industries, it should be a He set up an industry at Okhla. Letter of little less for the small industries. With these Intent for the establishment of the industry words, I conclude and once again thank you. was given by the Government of India. A sum of the Rs. 56 lakhs was sanctioned by SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA (Kar - the Delhi Finance Corporation and he was nal): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am glad to duly informed about it. He constructed the have this opportunity to partiCipate in this building, imported machinery, got electric discussion, which would enable me to give connections and when the factory was vent to my views on the floor of this House. complete, he applied for licence. The Gov- ernment of India continued delaying it un- 13.10 hrs. necessarily. I again had to intervene. I met the Han. Minister for Industry, Shri Vengal [SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI in the Rao and argued with him. He told me that he Chai~ could do nothing and that I should meet the Prime Minister. I said, Vengal Raoji when I I must pay compliments to the han. am meeting the Minister concerned, how do Minister, who is the mover of this Bill, for the you expect me to go to the Prime Minister. If sincere efforts that he has been making and you refuse to give me the licence I will have for the rapt attention with which he has been to knock the doors of the Supreme Court or hearing individual sufferers. the High Court and the Government will have to eat a hlJmble pie." Well, I am grateful, he Sir, the very idea behind this Bill is was convinced. The licence was given and laudable. Earlier, we had the lOBI, now we when he was going to start, Delhi Admini- would also have SIDBI, We add the word 5 stration said, "No, we are not going to allow for c:,mall industries. you; we are not going to release the loan of 265 Small Industries SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 266

As. 56 lakhs (that was duly sanctioned and have a place amongst the commity of na- which encouraged him to set up this indus- tions so far as the industry is concerned. Due try)". He should shift this industrial unit from to these facilities, the financial assistance is here to some other area. Madam. Chairman being given to the entrepreneurs. Here is a just imagine what would be the condition of case which I am quoting on the floor of the those two qualified engineers who invested House. This is a case regarding mars Asso- about As. 82 lakhs out of their own earnings ciates Ltd., Okhla, Delhi." Where should and became paupers. Then I called on the such persons go? Hon. Minister Shri Faleiro. I must appreciate the courtesy that was extended to me and A lot has been said on this subject. Our alsotothe engineers by him. He talked tothe Government is very sincere in their approach Chairman of some bank. probably the to the solution of the problem. But the per- Hyderabad Bank. He deputed his private sons at the helm of affairs, who occupy the Secretary to see that the man was helped Chairmanship of Banks or Corporations, they out of trouble. I must appreciate his magna- don't have their fingers on the pulse of those nimity. There should be no reason to suspect who suffer because of their treacherous the bonafide of the Minister. But. Sir, the approach. Will the hon. Minister kindly take question is, it all proved to be an exercise in notice of such cases in particular? futility. In my presence he advised his Addi- tional Secretary that this man has to be I do not want to encroach upon your helped, but to no avail. Madam, Chairman, precious time, Madam. I know you are see- you can very well appreciate the condition. ing your watch time and again. You might be Would not these qualified engineers be anxious to call the next speaker. I could obliged to commit suicide in the given circum- dilate on the subject for a very long time. But stance they are wandering from pillar to post I have another case in mind. There is a small in order to earn a pittance to keep their body scale industry in my own Parliamentary and soul together? In spite of the fact that constituency at Karnal ..... Super Tyres. They they had done so much", the factory could not are manufacturing tyres on a small scale. run. I hope it is for such industrial units that They are exporting the tyres on a small these bank facilities are being given. The scale. The bigger factories are really jealous agencies through which these credit facili- of the tremendous progress that factory has ties are being provided tothe industries, they made. But because of certain technicalities don't abide by the policy of the Government that man is suffering. I brought that case to of India. Madam Chairperson, though you, I the notice of Shri Panja, who was good will draw the attention of the han. Minister, enough to give him rAlief. The goods which Shri Faleiro, to page 90 of India Today of this were manufactured by that gentleman was month where this case finds a place with to the tune of about 30 lakhs to 40 lakhs. photographs of the father and the son both They were lying in stock and could not be engineers with tears in their eyes. They sold. They could not be disposed of because came to me by throwing heaps of abuses of some technical difficulties. When I brought upon me and rebuking me "well Mr. Sharma, this thing to the notice of the Minister, he you inspired us to set up an industry; other- said: "Mr. Sharma, let me see the file." I am wise we were just living a very decent life in glad after seeing the file, he gave the requi- Kuwait. site relief within a week. The gentleman heaved a sigh of relief and disposed of the goods which were laying for months to- These banks have money. The lOBI is gether. After ~his year's Budget again some there. Now, the letter'S' has been added. problems due to some amendments in the The Government is giving all such facilities. rules-were created. Then, I again knocked The country has been making a tremendous at the doors of the Minister, Mr. Panja, draw- progress, practically in all spheres and par- ing his kind attention. It was just felling from ticularly in the field of industries. Now, we the frying pan again into the fire. He said: 'I 267 Small Industries JULY 28,1989 Dev. Bank BiB 268

[Sh. Chiranji lal Sharma] well-settled principle law today. We have learnt this from in Japan; we have also learn would look into it: But, so far, nothing has it from Korea, and from every where. Madam, come out. the Industrial Revolution took ptace long ago, centuries before, in England, and since I have a very high regard for the han. then, we have passed through various expe- Minister of Finance who means to do some- riences. Now we have come to the conclu- thing, who means to help the industries, no sion, and it is well proved, that without en- doubt; there is no reason to doubt his sincer- couraging small industries, no country can ity. But the question is whether the official develop, can achieve the optimum level of machinery at the he!m of affairs, which is economic boosting. there to execute the policies of the Govern- ment is sincere in its approach. If not, what is We . learn this from our experience. the remedy? The remedy lies with the han. come from Eastern India. My constituency is Minister. We can only ventilate their griev- near Calcutta, it is almost a Calcutta con- ances. We can only bring to his notice the stituency. When the Britishers came to India glaring instances where iildividuals are suf- for the first time 200 years ago, all our 50- fering. If. inspite of that. they do not get the called traditional industries were set up along relief, then there is no end. the Ganges; like jute, textiles and heavy engineering. Big industries, big composite Thank you; with these words. I support mills are still there. What is the situation that the Bill. we are facing today?

SHRI ASUTOSH LAW (Dum Dum): Either they are sick closed or somehow Madam Chairperson: There is a longstanding they are keeping their continued existence. demand from the tiny and small industries There is always big gap between the big that there should be an apex body. For industries. Japan had realised about it after various purpose such a Bank should not only the Second World War. Recently, Korea has look after the interests of the small industries realised about it. They have realised that the and protect them from becoming sick. but it big industries cannot solve this problem. should also look into theirfinances and given them guidance. The population is growing, particularly, Personally, and on behalf of my con- in this part of the world. India is no exception. stituency, I congratulate the Finance Minis- By the end of the century, our population will ter as well as the Central Government for be 100 crore. I know and I believe that having brought this Bill-it is called the Small everybody will support me that no Super Industries Development Bank of India Bill, Powers will be in a position to solve the 1989-which, I believe, if implemented in unemployment problem in a country where proper way, might help small industries to population is increasing very fast. Should we create healthy industrial air in our country. sit helpless? Should we not think what to do to boost the economy, to give moral support to the frustrated youths who are going around Before I go to certain anomalies in this the country? There is a gap between the big Bill which I will just point out, and go clause industries. This big gap has to be filled up. by clause, I think we should look at the Who can fill up this gap between two big background of the Bill, viz. what are the industries? Only the small scale industry and circumstances which necessitated the bring- the cottage industry can fill up this gap. If the ing of this Bill. It is well established in the people are encouraged to establish ancillary modern world today that in no country, in- industries between the big industries, the dustry and economy can be developed with- gap which is being created today can be out encouraging small industries. This is the filled up. 269 Small Industries SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 270

Hundreds of industries tfave been closed The main difficulty of the small scale and their employees have been thrown out industries is with regard to raw-material. of employment. I can give so many ex- Whoisgoingtosupplyraw-materialtothem? amples of it. Even day before yesterday a They are to purchase raw-material from the sad fact has come out in the paper. h is a market at higher rate after paying for some- very sad story. There was a family of three time premium. We are living an age of persons-husband, wife and a child. The pUblicity. The small scale industries are w.ife expected that that industry would be re- prodUCing consumer goods; they also pro- started. Ultimately, when the husband found duce small parts for the big industries. For all it impossible to get employment, she had to that, they require pUblicity. We are living in commit suicide along with her child. This sort an age of T.V., Radio and Films. Due to of stories are com ing every day. How long do financial constraints they cannot participate we expect to shed our tears? Who is ac~ in the public~y media for the projection of countable for it? The people who are manag- their products, whatever they are producing. ing the affairs of these industries are not So, they hardly find any market for selling accountable to the people; we, the elected their products. Unless they can participate or representatives, are accountable to the project their production, through media people. Unless we force these people to publicity, they will never find market, Le. implement this Act. it will become useless; it where to sell their products the ultimate will become a scratch of paper; it will be result will be loss. thrown into the wastepaper basket. Next is training most of the small industry entrepreneurs, after having been de- I am a lawyer. In course of my practise prived of employment and after going from I have came to know how the industries were door to door, they come to the public repre- becoming sick. The banks do not know how sentatives. We send them to the national- to advance money. Suppose I want Rs. ised banks. Nationalised Banks have got so 50,000 for my project at the initial stage. If I many projects and on scheme for the self do not get it, then I will start incurring loss. If employed people. These people do not have after two years I get Rs. 2 lakhs. Then what training, they do not know where they will sell help can expect to get. By the time I will be their market. and they do no! know how to unable to pay the whole amount, I will have run industries. If the training is not provided to pay the interest through my nose. A small through a central organisation, through some scale industry will never find any profit in subsidiary of this bank or through some their balance-sheet. organisation, who will coordinate with the bank. Whenever the bank will take decision lOBI is a very good organisation and its to advances money to small entrepreneur, area of operation is largest. If the proposed simultaneously that organisation will pro- SIOBI becomes a subsidiary company of vide them guidance, and guide him, will lOBI, how does the lOBI can help them that show them the market and will give him the has to be judged first and then only we will be training to run the business. able to know whether this Bill will prove beneficial to the intent of small scale industry Madam, the default clause is very big. I or not. Apart from this, the objectives are request the hon. Minister, who has piloted very clear. They are promotion, financing this Bill, to look at Clause 38 - page 18. It and development of industries. Along with provides: these objectives, the ideas are very good. But I feel that unless another organisation is ".. the Small Industries Bank shall have set up which will have inter-actions with the the right to take over the management Bank-and will also do monitoring and pro- or possession, or both of such indus- viding with training to the small scale industrial concern in the small-scale sector, tries-their attempt will be frustrated. as well as the right to transfer by way of 271 SmaJllndustries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank SlB 272

[Sh. Asutosh law] has said that he will not be complacent and would like to keep it up. 1.0.B.I's perform- lease or sale and realise the property ance was also good, because from 81-82 to pledged, mortgaged, hypothecated or 89, the turnover has increased from 1582 assigned to the Small Industries Bank." crores to 34400 crores. This is an excellent performance and 152 lakh persons were One thing is not clear in the Bill. I am provided employment. I myself have some asking the Minister seriously whether pro- experience about the small industries as I posed bank, will participate in the equity of have been associated with these people. the industry or not. h is not clear. At least with When' paid attention towards the industries my limited knowledge, I tried to find out from in my State, Ifound many encouraging facts. this Bill whether they are ready and willing to But there is another aspect also. This Bank participate in the equity and also ready and should be like a mother to the small indus- willing to provide any professionai manage- tries and besides taking care it should also ment or not. guide them about marketing and the entire infrastructure. But there are lot of difficulties Madam, with all these, still I do support at the level of district industries c9ntre. These this Bill. I think, certain changes should be difficulties are being experienced at financial made. If proper coordination is established corporatIons level also. The hon. Minister and if implementation is assured and moni- and the officials should pay special attention toring is done, particularly timing is kept for to remove these difficulties. Large number advancing money to the small scale industry of applications are pending in the Fnancial through this bank, I think, some purpose will Corporations. The applications submitted at be served. a later date are cleared earlier because the applicants take resort to all sorts of means. [ Translation] Other applicants get disappointment only. A lot of people have complained about it. I SHRI YOGESHWAR PRASAD YO- would suggest that the officials of the Minis- GESH (Chatra): Madam Chairman, I thank try of Industry should start a campaign under Shri Eduardo Faleiro for bringing the Small which the financial Corporations of all the Industries Development Bank of India Bill. States should be given notice that they should T:'e units operating in small industries sector reject or pass the applications within a spe- have special importance in setting the na- cific period of one or two months and they tional interest. They playa $igniticant role in should not be kept pending for long periods. removing the economic disparity from the Those whose publications are to be rejected, country. should not be forced to run from pillar to post unnecessarily. This results in wastage of not Due to the farsightedness and practical only their time but also money. All the appli- economic policies of the Han. Prime Minis- cations should be processed within a speci- ter, the Industrial Development Bank has not fied time limit. These papers are kept pend- only fulfilled its designated objectives, but ing in the offices of district industries centres has also for exceeded the targets of the for years together. Those who hover around Seventh Five Year Plan. The han. Minister the officials, get loans as their case is recom- and the officials deserve to be congratulated mended to the banks also. When you say for their achievement. This performance that it will guide the small industries like a and progress has been accomplished in- mother, on the other hand, you should also spite of the successive floods and drought in a discriminate eye on the officials who har- the country, when a sizeable part of our ass people. There is every scope for mal- resources had to be spent on dealing with practices being committed. Consequently, the situation arising therefrom. The 9 per the small scale industries are not getting the cent increase in our domestic growth rate is desired encouragement. I am quite con- really commendable. However, Shri Faleiro scious that we have very little time at our 273 Small Industries SRA VANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 274 disposal therefore. I would submit my points People say that it is old wine in new bottle. I briefly. I would suggest that the Government cannot say what has been your experience should patronis& and run small-scale indus- in respect of 1.0.B.I. in other states but it is tries of its own level. With a view to promote quite painful in respect of Bihar. If the small the traditional industries, the Government scale industries could not be developed in can provide market and create a viable infra- Bihar, it is 1.0.B.1. which is mainly respon- structure in certain spheres by broad basing sible for this situation. You have made a the small scale and artisans industries, as provision that Small Industries Development this sector can generate employment for Bank will directly provide finance and refi- lakhs of poor. Cane baskets are used in nance. It will re-finance the financial institu- collieries and other mines and for wagon- tions in the states. It is my submission that loading. Every year, cane baskets worth whatever you want to do, do it directly. If crores of rupees are needed. Small scale certain amount of money is to be giv£n in a sector can take up this work and also safe- state, a stage is reached in which the bor- guard the interests of artisans. Particularly rower is deprived of 80 to 90 per cent of the the people from Scheduled Castes and amount by way of commission to the inter- Scheduled Tribes are engaged for the pro- mediaries and he ultimately gets only 10-20 duction of cane baskets. The Government per cent of the amount of loan. But the should open cane baskets producing centres people still have great trust in the centre. to employ these people in such areas where Therefore, if you want to provide finance, do there is a cluster of mines. A large number of it directly and do not do it through re-financ- people can be engaged for the prod uction of ing. You have mentioned in the Bill that the handles of the tools like pick-axe and spades authorised capital will be about Rs. 250 etc. which are generally made of wood. On crores which will be raised to Rs. 1000 the other hand bamboo mattings are re- crores, but that will not be sufficient because quired for the purpose of stowing in the coal ours is a very big country. Small Scale sector mines. In addition to that uniforms are also is the largest one in the country and it has to stiched on a very large scale for use in the big be expanded. if agriculture and industry are offices. Even for this job, these people may to be developed, small scale industries shall be imparted training in tailoring and em- have to be developed. Therefore, the Gov- ployed on completion of such a training. ernment should further raise the authorised Supply of carpets and durries in all the of- capital to Rs. 5000 crores. loans should be fices can be made by the small scale units. given to the people quite !iberally. Mere Large number of people may be absorbed paper formalities will not serve the purpose. there. As regards the cnild labour problem, These is a provision in the Bill, as stated by the Government should provide Life Insur- han. Minister himself, that the bank will itself ance cover to child labour and improve their enter into entrepreneurship directorship. career prospects by making them trained leasing and procurement of inputs. Sec- and skilled labour. There are greater oppor- ondly, it will also provide non-financial serv- tunities for them in the small scale industries. ices. There is no reason for the bank to be Hence the Government should open the unsuccessful if all these things are done by Small Scale Industries even in the public it. But it is my experience that all the small sector. Since yo~ have rung the bell twice, I scale industries which have become sick at conclude my speech without taking any more present, were told that arrangements will be time. made for marketing of their goods, technical know-how would be provided to them, fi- DR. G. S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): nance and other incentives alongwith the would like to say only 2-3 things. I have gone required capital also would be made avail- through this Bill and also listened to the able. Have you ever thought of it as to why speech ofthe hon. Minister yesterday. There these industries have become sick inspite of is no need to set up a separate bank for this all these things. I need not repeat these purpose, if it is to be kept under the 1.0.B.1. factors. I want that you should give 10, 20 or 275 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dw. Bank Bill 276

[Dr. G. S. Rajhans] oriented industries. What etse can be a better proposition because the country is in dire 50 such cases as example of all that you need of foreign exchange at present. A have done in the held of entrepreneurship change is also required in the present work- development and publish the same in the ing of our banks. I am constrained to ob- newspapers. Now-a-days every body has s:erve, that the history of banking in India has apprehensions while setting up a small scale been a very IJnfortunate one. I am a respon- industry. Apart from other things we find that sible person I know of not only one but hundreds ~ not thousands of small scale hundreds of cases, where the people were industrial units are no more in a viable con- asked to part with a certain amount of money dition. In this connection what is required to for getting the loans sanctioned to them be done by the Government to remedy the otherwise the loans were not sanctioned to situation is the provision of marketing facili- them. People take it for granted that bribe ties for the items produced by the Small has become the way of life in the banks and Scale Industries through small scale indus- one is bound to part with a certain amou~t of trial bank. If electricity is not made available, money for getting a loan. The menace of diesel will be used for production and raw- corruption had never before assumed such material will also be procured from some a serious proportion as at present. Even in source or the other but arrangement for sale the matter of overtime there is blackmailing. of entire production of the ~mall scale indus- A fixed amount of overtime is allowed to the tries should be made by the Government. If clerical, subordinate and the class four staff the goods produced continue to be pile up in even without work. That is a sort of blackmail the godowns, the amount of loans advanced in respect of overtime. I do agree that there to these industrial units will be blocked. In has been some imp,ovement lately but that casetheqovernmenttakes any action against is without any substantial change in this the indus~rialists. their industrial units will regard. It is a fact that banks have been become sick. Therefore, the Government nationalised in this country and there is no should have one point programme for this doubt that banks have made a big contribu- bank i.e. to make prOVision for the sale of tion in the economic development of the goods produced by these industrial units. country but if this work had beer. done hon- The Government have stated that non-finan- estly, there would have been far greater cial services will be provided. It the Govern- development. The corruptiC'n is so widely mElnt could make arrangements for market- prevalent in banks at present as is not to be ing of their goods, the purpose, for which the found in any other sec~or. Therefore, what I Government have introduced this Bill in the want is that Government should not allow the House, would be served. I know that there is Small Scale Industriet Development Bank a tremendous scope for the p.xpansion of to go the way other banks have gone. In fact small scale industries in this country which is it should help the process of industrialisation not the case with any othercountry. We have in the country. rich deposits of raw-material alongwith the availability of e"ergy for production and It has been providod under clause 6 of the consumers to purchase the items produced Bill that the people representing the various but the only thing required is the will power. interests shall be taken on the Board of Example of Japan is before us where large Directors. I would like to make only one number of heavy industries are there (Inter- request in this respect that the Government ruptions), but there is also a parallel network should take at leac;t one such director who of small scale industries. Japan produces has been directly connected with the small transistors, radios, V. C.R. etc. of a very good scale industries and where industry might quality in the small scal~ sector. V'-.'hy cannot have become sick, so that on the basis of his we also do it in our country. You have made experience, he may tell about the reasons a provision in this Bill that the Gave, nment which are responsible for the sickness of will promote R.ld give preferenGe to export Industries. Therefore, the Government must 2n SmaH Industries SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bin 278

include one such director on the Board of As has been very rightly pointed out by my Directors alongwith the inclusion of a repre- predecessor on the floor of this House just sentative of the people who may voice the now, the proposed Small Industries Devel- feelings of the people. Hthe Board is stuffed opment Bank of India Bill should not be just with bureaucrats and people from the bank- only a subsidiary. It should have been an ing department, same old things will con- independent institution just like the lOBI. tinue to haunt the entire structure and after Then we could have expected something. It one year we will have to bring a motbn should not be one of the Banks in its charac- against you in this House on account of ter, in its motives, in its objectives and other failure of thic; bank to deliver the goods. I wish performance. It should not be one of the that this bank succeeds. Therefore with full banks, it should have a special objective. determination Governmont should take up And then everything should have a special this task in a novel way and add a new character in that. To that end, Madam. I chapter in the history of development of our would iike to make a few suggestions. country. The entrepreneurs in the backward [Engltsh] areas-this may be true of the backward areas in other States, but I do not know much about them, but as far as I know about the SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH (InnerMampur): North- Eastern States, small-small States, Madam Chairman, I rise to support this very we have to identify the problem and on the Important histonc Bill baSIS of a very truthful list of practicable industries, we have to clear projects and the projects so cleared should be financed. Madam. as you know. I belong to a Before the clearance of the projects they region wh'ch IS considered to be economi- should be well worked out and their future cally non-viable The small States of the should be visualised and then once the project North-East-It IS not one State, but the so- is cleared, it should be given full finance and calleo seven sisters-stili struggle for eco- to thiS end. Madam, the element of coordina- nomic Viability and for such reason, the only tion to be provided by the small Industries way to come to, 5ay, the normal survival Development Bank should be a very impor- level IS the small-scale Industries. There- tantfac10r. The entrepreneurs are facing two fore, In thiS background, Madam, I would like problems-one is the capital loan and the to say that the proposed Bill is a very historic other side IS the term loan. Bill, a follow-up on the good steps taken by thiS Government under the leadership of In this, we have seen two agencies people beginning With Pandltjl and Indlraji working. One is the State Finance Corpora- and the present leadership of RaJlvjl, be- tion. The other is the Bank. But there is no cause from the very beginning after !nde- proper linkage and coordination between pendence live have seen that a sincere at- these two agencies and, as a result, the tempt has been made by the Congress lead- entrepreneurs face a lot of difficulties par- ership beg '1ning With PandltJI to see and ticularly in the initial stage. In the absence of identify the difficult areas politically, socially regular flow of capital loan, ths enterpreneur and economically, how to bring them to light cannot maintain the minimum production as Integrai parts of thiS country. So, in thiS level and also cannot meet the requirements region. Madam, I have had my 42 years of of the customers. It is very important for the public Itfe. I have seen a separate process new industry to give satisfaction to the newly still making an effort to rise. The object of this created customers market. I think it cannot Bill is that it will be functioning as the prinCipal repay the loan eIther to the Bank or to the financial institution for the pmmotion, fi- Finance Corporation. In orderto remove this nancing, and development of industries in difficulty, therE? should be proper coordina- the small-scale sector. How important it is! tion between the financing agenciecs. 279 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank Bill 280

[Sh. N. Tombi Singh] possible to set up big industries in this region. In the last session and also previous to The functioning of the District Industrial the last, I had made repeated demands for Centres comes into the focus. Mention has identification of small industries and a spe- been made by my predecessor that the ciallist to be made available on the basis of District Industrial Centres should be able to which implementation of certain programmes take up some financial responsibility once a can be made. The Industries Minister Shri project is cleared and, to that end, the Small Vengal Rao was good enough to provide me Scale Development Bank should be located in reply to a question a very long list covering as far as practicable at the headquarters or all the States but the list was very light- near the offices 01 the DICs so that once a hearted. 1would like to request the Govern- project is cleared, the Bank will be able to ment further to look into the matter and take decision on the spot.The need for ac~ revise the list which should contain only countability cannot be ruled out. What I practicable propositions. mean to say is the officers of the Bank sitting close to the ole should be responsible 14.00 hrs. agencies and well~informed officers in order to help the entrepreneurs. They should be That indicates that raven now the Industries very capable persons. They should be able Ministry is not well aware of the problems in to know if a particular entrepreneur has the backward areas. I don't suspect the failed, why he has failed. If he has not come seriousness of the Prime Minister because up according to his own programmes, why he is very sincere and he likes to help the he has not. They should be able to identrty small States, backward States particularly the genuine difficulties of the entrepreneurs. the North-Eastern States. Therefore. with The suggestion being made is that the DIGs this end in view, I would like to emphasis my should be assisted by thiS Bank by sitting suggestion that a new list should be made close 10 them so that the entrepreneurs do identifying the urgency and priority in every not have to run from bank to bank for fi- State beginning with Assam. Tripura, nances once the projects are cleared. Then Mizoram, Manipur, Nagaland, Arunachal the DIG will not be reduced to the pos~ion of Pradesh and Sikkim, On the basis of that a Post Office. About the location of the priority, we shall be able to implement some- headquarters, as rightly mentioned, we have thing. To that end, the Banking Institutions no objection to the headquarters being lo- should come to their aid. cated at Lucknow or anywhere else but from the point of convenience it is not possible to With these few words, I would like to locate it in every region. Delhi is the nearest thank you for having given me this opportu- place from any State and if it is not Delhi, why nity. Also, I support this very important Bill not one of these metropolitan cities where that has come before this House. most of the regional offices of the Govern- ment of India and banks are located? If there SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY is no special reason, I would like the Govern- (Puri): Madam, at the ou1set I would support ment to make a clarification why this choice the han. Finance Minister for placing this Bill of Lucknow is made. I think the decision is before this House at a time when the total not very firm because there is provision for atmosphere is vitiated by the slogan of waiv- lucknow or any other alternative place as ing of loans. You know that the major political mentioned in the Bill. As I said in the begin- parties in the Opposition have declared ning, I belong to a region where the eco- openly -this is part of their election mani- nomic viability has to be built up. I would festo also-that if they come to power, the suggest to the Industries Minister through loan amount ou1standing below Rs. 10,000 the Finance Minister who is piloting this Bill, of the small and marginal farmers would be to identify small industries in the small States waived. It is not only this. In some States, the of the North Eastern region because it is not waiving of klan has already been taking 281 Small Industries SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 282 place. In Haryana, they claimed that Rs. 45 But we do not support the inefficient, inade- crores have been waived. As a result of this, quacy in the banking activities of the country. the credit atmosphere in the country is viti- I would like to place before you the Report of ated. What is happening to the credit atmos- the Central Vigilance Commission. In its phere of the country? This has got to be Annual Report forthe year 1987, the Central examined. Vigilance Commission said, and I quote:

So far as the amount outstanding up to "In majority of the cases, the benefici- Rs. 10,OOOofthe small and marginal farmers aries never started any business as is concerned, it comes to around Rs. 3037 reflected in the bank records meaning crores. I will give you the detailed figures in thereby that the invoice bills given by this regard. Against the size of the land the firm of the middlemen were ficti- holding of up to 2.5 acres, of farmer the tious. short-term loan amount outstanding-4:>elow Rs. 1O,OOO-is Rs. 766 crores and 76lakhs. Similarly, in respect of above 2.5 acres and Thus, loans were indiscriminatelv up to 5 acres, the loan amount outstanding is sanctioned in favour of borrowers with- Rs. 696 crores and 35 lakhs. These are the out proper indemnification through a short-term loans, as I mentioned earlier. middleman on the basis of bogus in- Now, I am placing the term loans, the direct voices." finance to the farmers distributed State-wise. Regarding term loans up to 2.5 acres, the outstanding is Rs. 759 crores and 14 lakhs; The Central Vigilance Com mission said up to 5 acres, the outstanding is Rs. 786 and I quote: crores and 58 lakhs: and above 5 acres, the outstanding is Rs. 2,785 crores and 48lakhs. "Most of the amount was actually re- These are the detailed figures. ceived by the middleman and in all probability shared by the branch man- MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Mohanty, why ager and some others without benefit- don't you come to the point? You are refer- ing any poor person for whom such ring to something else. loans were introduced. Good programme was thus abused and frus- SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: trated due to lack of proper check and Madam, this is part of it because the credit control." atmosphere in the country is vitiated. Can anybody imagine how it will be helpful to the I would remind the Finance Ministerthat establishment of the Banking Corporation? he should not forget about these things and That is why I am placing it before this House. these things should not be repeated in the I am coming to the point. As I have already activities of the bank. He should be careful mentioned, above 5 acres, the outstanding . about it. is Rs. 2785 crores and 48 lakhs, In respect of term loans. Similarly, in respect of short- term loans, above 5 acres, the outstanding Then I shall come to bad debts. Two amount is Rs. 892 crores and 30 lakhs. 11 hundred crores of rupee of bad debts is comes to around Rs. 7,000 crores. Can it be being written off. On the contrary, when we waived? That is a point. Hon. Finance Minis- are demanding to abolish this system of ter must clarify, what will be its impact on the compound interest for the small and mar- economy? That is why, it is a most important ginal farmers and also for small artisans, we consideration today. do not get any response. But two hundred crores of rupees annually is being written off Now, I come to the other aspects of the on account of bad debts. I would like to matter. We support the Finance Minister. submit one thing. 283 Small Industries JULY 28. 1989 Dev. Bank Bill 284

ISh. Brajamchan Mohanty] commendable.

14.07 hrs. All industrial sectors in this country and especialty the small and tiny industrial sector (MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chai~ playa very significant role in the industrial development of this country. The statistics In the year 1986-87. the gross profit of the have been already presented here. About nationalised banks was Rs. 775 crores 1.6 million small units are there is the coun- whereas it reduced to Rs. 250 crores of net try. Their total invLstment comes to nearly profit because of the bad debts and the Rs. 4000 crores. They provide employment reserves for the bad debts. (Interruptions) to roughly ten million people. That shows the importance of this vital sector. So also about MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please wind 40% of the total productIon is from the small up. scale industrial seCior and about 25% of the total export is from this sector. Therefore, the SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY: You need for encouraging and stabilising this tiny do not know when I have started. You made sector cannot but be emphasized. me nervous. The Finance Minister is laugh- ing because other points will not be made by The lOBI itself has been looking after me. Please give me some time. So, my the needs of this tiny and small industrial submission is, banks must work efficiently to sector very well. But because of the tremen- promote the development of the econom),. dous growth of the number of units and the new areas of its operations. there has been So far as political climate IS concerned, a persistent demand for the opening of an It is not to allow the expansion of banks. apex bank solely to cater to the needs of this When the banks were nationalised. it was sector. The present Bill has been brought the positive step to establish an egalitarian froward to satisfy this demand. So I whole- State and to prevent accumulation of wealth heartedly and with all my strength support In some hands. But now, these forces are this Bill. conspiring against banks in general on various pretexts. They are now committing The industries, especially in the small to the people that once they come to power, industrial sector in this country are faCing a they will waive all the loans which are below lot of problems. I am happy in this Bill, clause Rs. 10,000. It comes to Rs. 7,000 crores 13 touches many of those areas. The timely which cannot be imagined. In that back- non-availability of funds to the extent neces- ground. I would submitthat the han. Finance sary, the non-availability of power and raw- tv1mistt3r should make the functioning of the materials, the problem of marketing; all these bank effiCient as well as make eftol1s to have contributed to a large extent for the prorrolt: the economy Thollk you. sickness of the industry. especially in the small sector. SHnl A ('HARLES (Trrvandrurnj. st::and !C1 support the Srnallindustries Devel· I have already written to the Han. Minis- opment Bank. cf !ndla Blil. 1989. The nation- ter wherein he may remember that I have allsatlol of banks in 1969 is a great landmark suggested that in every State a study has 10 In the history of banks in India. As a result of be conducted into the aspects of the Sick- nation.1!isation, the doors of the bank were ness of the industry. There IS a lot ot encoUI- open for the first time even to the poorest of agement given for the revival of t~E: slch the poor In this country. However. though units. But the real cause for the sickness or twenty years halle elapsed since natlona!l- the areas of sickness have not so far been sation. the real objective of the nationalisa- identified. I would request that a time-bound tion is yet to be achieved. although the program me may be made for the study of 1he rpsults so far acheved are non-the-Iess sickness of the industry and all those indus- SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank BiN 286 tries which could be revived should be re- That is, when a minimum of Rs. 3 lakhs is vived within a time frame. When the new financed by a financial institution. there shall bank is opened, it should concentrate on this be a representative of anyone of the finan- aspect. cial institutions in the management, who shall give a report, once in three months to Secondly I come to the disbursement of the financial institution about the finance and funds. At the time of the presentation of the the working or running of the small industry. Budget for the year 1988-89, the then Fi- That will definitely, help the better running of nance Minister Shri N.D. Tiwari promised of these units. a single window system. He said, all the formalities will be looked into. Now there is Now, coming to the Bill, I am extremely no coordination between the industries glad that wide range of activities come under department and the banking sector. This is Clause 13. So, I commend the Bill and I very essential. So also there is not coordina- congratulate all those who are responsible tion between the energy department. elec- for bringing in such a large number of activi- tricity department and the finance section. ties within the scope of this Bill, which the These are the pressing problems of small present Financial Institution Act does not scale industrial units. When you give money, have. Sub-Clause 21 of Clause 13 provides when you approve the projects and give the for technical and financial consultancy; sub- first instalment, when the licence had been clause 22 provides for undertaking activities received and when everything is completed, for promotion of industry, entrepreneurial the electricity may not be available there. development programme, raw material pur- Then, the time forthe re-payment of the first chase, marketing etc., These are all cer- instalment comes. If it is not paid once in tainly commendable. Then, I come to sub- three months, then the penal interest will Clause 23, which some of my friends have come and if one year goes on like that, the criticised, it, for, the power isgiv'3ntothe new penal interest will be added to the capital and bank for acquiring or taking over the institu- the whole industry becomes sick. So the tion and they have said that that was not need for coordination is required. Iwould proper. But I strongly support this Clause, requestthatthis aspect may kindly be looked because this is one of the Clauses, by which into. There is no facility for the existing finan- we will be able to control mismanagement. cial institutions to look into this aspect. That There are a number of small-industries in my has to be considered. Constituency, which are sick. Some of them are made sick, deliberately because after Thethird thing is about monitoring. After taking the money they will divert the fund and all, we pay the public funds. 80%-1 am sure, they will see that the industry is made sick. the whole fund-which we give to sma" Such managements should be booked. So, industrial sector is the fund Cif the nation. this is a Clause by which you can have Once you pay the money, your responsibility control. Then, Sub-Clause 25 which pro- ceases. your responsibility comes again, vides for research activities. Sub-Clause 26 only when he does default. By that time, the provides for technical, legal, marketing and industry will become sick. But he will not lose administrative actions. Here, my only con· anything because he invests only a small cern is that, how are you going to ensure that amount and the balance has been financed these Clauses are implemented properly. by the financial institutions. So, even If it is This Bill is commendable. I would request sick, even if it is not running on profitably, that while you formulate the subordinate 80% of the entrepreneurs are not worried legislation or rule, you have to be very care- about it. So, there should be proper monitor- ful that these Clauses are strictly imple- ing. There should be some machinery for mented. watching the management of these small industrial units. In many of the Committees I One more thing is about the location of attended, I have pointed out one suggestion. the Offices. I do not quarrel-whether it is in 287 Small Industries JULY 28. 1989 Dw. Bank BiB 288

[Sh. A. Charles] fail to achieve the target in respect of disbursement of loan. Lucknaw ar anywhere else. But. there should be some regional offices. Once the Head Secondly. I would like to suggest that Office is there, every region should be en- the wamen, the members of the Scheduled sured that it is approachable for the industrial Castes and other weaker sections should be units. So also, 1here should be one bank in represented on the Board of Directors. every district in future. You have to envisage like that. I wou!d also like to suggest that agriculture should be given the status of an industry There is an enabling Clause in this Bill. and same amount of financial assistance that is Clause 3, Sub·section 4, which says, should be provided to them through the Banks as is given to an industry. Betel leaves "The Small Industries Bank shall es- are produced in our country. This should tablish offices, branches or agencies also be given the status of an industry and at any place in or outside India". assistance should be given for the same through the Banks. I would request that you should be kind enough to open one branch at Trivandrum, I would also like to add that the percent- where 80% of the Industries are sick. age of assistance to be given to the weaker sections, and the poor through the Small With these words, I once again com- Industries Development Bank should be mend the Bill the I warmly welcome it and I fixed. Only then it will be benefit the poor and request that it should be implemented with the people belonging to the wertker sections all the earnestness with which it has been of the society. It may not happen that the brought forward. people of lower sections of society are deprived of the assistance and the entire seen [ Trans/ation] is cCJOcerned by the big people.

SHAI NAND LAL CHOUDHARY (Sa- The banks should make special efforts gar): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to to promote maximum number of small scale support the Bill before the House. It would industrial units in the villages. It should give also naturally benefit the poor masses in our special assistance to such industrial units so country. The very purpose of the nationalisa- that more employment opportunities could tion of Banks in 1969 by Indiraji was to be made available to the people. benefit the people. The poor are indeed being benefited through it. This bill seeks to As regards the requirement of furnish- evolve a socialistic pattern of society. ing sureties for grant of loans, I would like to suggest that the loan amount upto As. 1 lakh His my submission that loans from the should be exempted from this provision. banks should be made easily availabletothe poor. In the present circumstances, if some- SHAI SHANKAR LAL (Pali): Mr. Dep- body approaches a bank for a loan. he is uty Speaker, Sir, this Bill which has been harassed by the bank employees and is introduced here by the hon. Finance Minister made to pay frequent visits to the bank. The with a view to promote small industries is in employees deliberately harass the people fact a laudable step. I rise to support the Bill. and even then the poor do not get loans. In Financial assistance should be provided this regard I would like to suggest that a through this bank to such unemployed people quota should be fixed in respect of the bank in our country who are interested in setting employttes for sanctioning loans to the poor up their own small industrial units in the people. There should be some penal provi- villages or in towns to earn their livelihood. sions in the Act for those employees who are Only then we can succeed in diluting the 289 Small Industries SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 290 impact of unemployment in our country. it the status of a subsidiary bank of the Development Bank and the Government has Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to allocated Rs. 250 crore~ as its authorised submit that clause 13 (i) (XXVII) of the Bill capital. It has also been provided in the Bill contains the expression -Planning, promot· that its authorised capital can be raised upto ing and developing the Industries in the Rs. one thousand crores but that would be at Small Scale Sector'. It contains the word the discretion of the Development Bank. The ·Planning'. I would like to request that a Government may treat it as a subsidiary scheme should be formulated to assist the bank but it should be given some independ- small scale industries. The big industries ent entity. It would be completely ineffective cause a heavy pollution in our country. There if it remains simply a branch of the Develop- are about 750 small scale textile industries ment Bank. A separate Bm is being intro- units in my .constituency i.e. Pali, which are duced for it but if a separate bank is to be set polluting the atmosphere. Hence maximum up for the small industries, it has to be given amount of assistance should be provided an independent status and its authorised through these banks to such industries as capital has to be raised from Rs. 250 crores are not causing any pollution. Assistance to Rs. 500 crores. As regards the composi· should also be provided to such small scale tion of the Board of the bank, it would not be Antrepreneurs who want to set up their own proper to appoint the Chairman or Managing treatment plant in their industries to mini· Director of the Development Bank as its mise the resultant pollution. We have to Chairman. The Government will have to invite the attention of I.D.B.1. and seek their appoint a full time Chairman for the Inde- co.aperation in the planning process to deal pendent bank who can work quite independ· with the pollution problem. This Bill has of ently and who should be responsible for course, provided for location of the Head- solely looking after the work relating to small quarters of the Bankof Lucknow. Whichever scale industries and its branches of the Bank may be the place of the headquarters as the to be opened. The Bill provides for nomina· other hon. Members have also pointed out, tion. But this nomination should not be left to but I would like to submit different point. the discretion of the Development Bank. There is need of more pUblicity to given Instead the persons should be nominated by more information about small scale indus- the Government. A uniform pattern of nomi- tries in the backward States like Rajasthan. nation will have to be followed in all the The branches of the Bank must be opened in banks. I would also like to submit that the this backward State as also in other State. In Government should also nominate the rural furtherance of Shri RajivGandhi's pronounce· artisans. In order to ensure representation ments and the party's ideology we shall of the potters, carpenters, goldsmith or have to open the branches of this Bank at the others engaged in petty jobs, whose voca- district level for the removal of unemploy· tion has suffered a set back due to the setting ment with the helpof Jawahar RozgarYojana up of large industries, the Central Govern· and the Panchayat Raj. The Government ment should nominate the representatives should extend the services of the develop· of rural artisans on it Provisionstothat affect ment bank at the district level too for the will have to be incorporated in the Bill. In the benefit of small scale industries. At the dis- Statement of objects and reasons of the Bill trict level the zila Parishads which function at it has been stated that special consideration the district headquarters have to be linked would be shown in case of exports to foreign with the branches of this bank so that they countries. I am not able to comprehend the may solve the problems of the people with idea behind it. You have said in clause 13 (i) the help of the Small Scale Industries Bank (x) of the Bill. to usher in the Panchayat Raj System through the local bodies. So far as its constitution ;s [English] concerned, this a fact that it would be a subsidiary bank. The Government has given "Granting lines of credit to the Govern- 291 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank Bill 292

ISh. Shankar La!] level. The Central Government is going set up the to head office of this Bank in Lucknow ment of any foreign State or any finan- but in addition to that there should be more cial institution or person outside India branches in the State. for the purpose of export or import." With these suggestions I conclude my [ Translation] speech.

So we have not been able to undar- SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL (Kota): Mr. stand this provision of gr~nting credit to the Deputy-Speaker Sir, I rise to support the small scale industries for the purpose of Small Industries Development Bank of India export. Therefore, the hon. Minister may Bill. I welcome the Government's objective kindly clarify it whether the Government will in bringing this Bill which is to develop small- pay more attention to export or to the regions scale industries in this country. An open of the small scale industries? I would like to Bank such as this will definitely solve the submit that special attention should be paid problems being faced by small-scale indus- to those exporting small scale industries tries in our country. I consider this a giant which produce essential consumer goods to step on the path towards development. This meet the requirements of the domestic con- Bill, which aims at developing small-scale sumers, rather than those small scale Indus- industries, is in fulfilment of the promises tries which are engaged in only exporting made to the masses by han. Shri. Rajiv their products. Otherwise that will be purely Gandhi and his Government. Till now small- a commercial approach. If the proposal for scale industries were being given step-moth- Small scale Industries Development Bank is erly treatment by the banks. Obstacles were really implemented, it would be beneficial for created intheway totheirgrowth. The I.D.B.I. us. did not even entertain applications from small- scale entrepreneurs. These much harassed SHRI MANIKRAO HODLYA GAVIT entrepreneurs had been demanding for a (Nandurbar): Hon. Mr. Deputy-Speaker Sir, longtime a banking system that would cater 1 shall not take much of your time. I support exclusively to their needs, their demands Small Industries Development Bank of India also included an increase in facilities needed Bill. I want to give 2-3 suggestions in this for growth and expansion of small-scale regard. Setting up of the Small Industries industries. This Bill will certainly go a long Development Bank of India will encourage way towards fulfilling all their needs. In his the growth of small scale industries and 1988-89 Budget speech, the han. Finance generate employment opportunities for la- Minister had stated that the Government bour. Small scale industries should be set up would set up a Bank for the Small-Scale in each tehsil of every district. There are a industry sector. This Bill is infulfilment ofthat large number of unemployed people in our promise. I consider this as a step in favour of country and new small-scale industries small-scale entrepreneurs and therefore should be encouraged to absorb these whole heartedly support it. This Bill will people. There should be a provision to employ improve the financial staking of small-scale people belonging to Scheduled Castes and industries and would lead to their develop- Scheduled Tribes in the small-scale industry ment. Without going into the details of this sector. This will improve their economic Bill, I would like to thank the han. Finance condition. I feel that it is necessary to have Minister for acceding to our long-standing representatives from the Scheduled Castes demand. But I would like to give a small and Scheduled Tribes and women members suggestion in regard to the lending system also on the Board. I request the han. Minister bemg followed by other banks. A small-scale to keep this in mind while constituting the entrepreneur approaching a bank for a loan Board. There shou~d be a branch of this has to go through a Cumbersome proce- Bank in every State and aiso at the district dure It ShOllld be kept in mind that the 293 SmaJllndustries SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank 8ill 294 lending system meant for large-scale indus- this important poInt. The l.o.B.1. Chairman tries should not be applied in the case of may continue to be the Chairman of this smaU-scale industries. The Government will bank for the transitional period of I)ne year, find that large-scale industries have ple~ty but after that this Bank should be given the of manpower and material at their disposal Status of an independent body with an inde- which makes It easier for them to deal with pendent chairman. The 1.0.B.1. Chairman such complexities. But it is not so in the case cannot function as chairman of this Bank on of small-scale industries. Small units are set a permanent basis. When the 1.0.B.1. came up by 1-4 persons and it is essential that this into being the Deputy Chairman of the Re- cumbersome procedure is simplified forthem serve Bank of India was asked to hold test this Bill should fail to achieve its objec- additional charge as chairman of I.D.B.I. It tive. While welcoming all other provisions of was realised at that time that such an ar- this Bill I request the han. Finance Ministerto rangement could not forever particularly if ensure that the procedure for lending for I.D.B.1. were to function as an independent small scale industries is simplified to enable body ror this Bank to succeed, it is essential them to avail of financial assistance from the that it function as an autonomous body with 1.0.8.1. with these words I thank you for an independent chairman. giving me an opportunity to speak. Sir, my third point relates to the pro- SHAI VIRDHI CHANOEA JAIN posed location of the Bank's head office. I (Barmer): Mr. Deputy-Speaker Sir, I wel- would say that this proposal is totally preju- come the Small Industries Development Bank diced. The then Finance Minister belonged of India Bill, 1989 introduced in the House. to U.P. so he suggested that the head office Twenty years ago in 1969 banks in this be located in Lucknow. Since the present country were nationalised following the ini- Finance Minister is from Goa he could sug- tiative taken by the late Prime Minister Shri- gest Goa as the ideal location for the Bank's matl Indira Gandhi. Here intention behind head office Such a thing should not happen. bank nationalisation was to promote devel- The head office should be located where opment of industry big or small through bank there is maximum concentratIon of small assistance which would ul1imately remove scale industries. This makes Bombay as the poverty from the country. Till now all steps right choice for the location of the head taken to remove poverty through the me- office. If it is felt that already too many offices dium of banks have not been as successful are situated at Bombay, Delhi can be consid- as expected. ered as the next alternative.

Sir, I want to give a suggestion regard- AN HON. MEMBER: Why not open it in ing the provision of this Bill which details with Rajasthan. nomination of Directors. I want that two representatives of the small-scale industries SHRI VIRDHI CHANDERJAIN: It is not association should also be nominated. They a question of Rajasthan or any other particu- will have an important role to play in so far as lar area. The entire country must stand to watching their interests and taking impartial benefit. But should the head office should be decisions is concerned. located in Lucknow, it will cause a lot of hardship to small-scale entrepreneurs in- My second suggestion is that profes- cluding those from Rajasthan. The decision sions in the academic field who are special- to locate the head office in Lucknow is wrong ists on banking may be included as directors. and should be charged. My viewpoint as to the appointment of the Chairman is that the Chairman of the I.O.B.I. Sir, a decision has been taken regard- may be appointed as the Chairman of this ing review committees that M. Ps and M.L.As apex bank for the time-being I would like to would also be included in these committees. draw the hon. Minister's alteration towards Sir, it is a welcome decision. I have been 295 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank BiN 296

[Sh. Virdhi Chander Jain] like to narrate before you the difficulties being faced by these peopte and suggest the saying this for longtime that M.Ps and M.l.As facility which should be given to them and or public representatives should be included which they are not getting from the Banks, so in these committees. I feel that this decision that the weaker section could avail the bene- has been taken very late. 11 is a welcome fit of this bank. MostJy, educated persons or measure. If they are really interested in persons with some knowledge of industries eradicating corruption rampant in these come forward for starting industrial ven- banks, there was no other way out except tures. But the persons belonging to weaker taking this decision which will go a long way sections, specially Adivasis. Harijans and in rooting out corruption rampant in these those living below the poverty line or tittle banks. above it, though educated. are unable to manage one-fourth of the loan amount which Sir, I would also like to say that an they are required to deposit for setting up an Advisory Committee should be set up in industry. They become helpless. Could these each branch and I would further like to add people be given some relaxation in this that such an arrangement should be made at regard? If you really want to help the weaker panchayat level also. A list of persons who sections, this condition should be waived for have been given loans should be displayed them. Alternatively. the said amount should so that it could be known that the loans have be contributed by the Government as has actually been disbursed to the people. You been done under the TAYSEM scheme and should take effective steps in this regard so other schemes, in case of peo~le living be- that corruption could be rooted out. The loan low the poverty line or its percentage for scheme to unemployed persons has not them should be reduced to the barest mini· been successful. A committee should be set mum. Only then these people would be able up to enquire into favouritism indulged in to avail of this f.acility. sanctioning loans and the officers found guilty should be punished and stringent ac- Another difficulty is faced after getting tion should be taken against them. The first instalment of the loan. Suppose, an beneficiaries should be first imparted train- amount of As. 10 lakhs is paid in the first ing in the trade for which they want to take instalment with which he is asked to buy a loans so that they could be able to undertake complete set of machinery and he is not the job successfully. It would be very bene- getting next instalment to expand his indus- ficial. Such arrangements should be made try rather it gets delayed due to some legal that poor people benefit from this scheme. If technicalities, he becomes helpless in ex- 'no industry district-scheme' is abolished, the panding his industry. the officers of the Bank, industries set up in backward areas will not after evaluating the performance of the unit, prosper. With these words, I support the Bill. do not recommend for further instalment of the loan as the production is not sufficient. SHRI KEYUR SHUSHAN (Raipur): It is He requires funds to expand his industry and a matter of happiness that a number of good due to shortage of funds he cannot expand proposals have been put forward in the House his industry. Ultimately, his hope to expand today to bring changes in the quality of life in his uni1 is shattered and he is badly drowned the country and these measures are being indebt and ultimately he has to part with taken under the able guidance of our leader even his small source of income and small Shri Aajiv Gandhi. While expressing my holding of land owned by him in repaying the happiness, I wholeheartedly support the loan. Even then he cannot reply the full Small Industries Development Bank of India amount of the loan. This is the situation Bill and would like to submit that we are prevailing in Bastarwhich is a predominantly setting up a Bank to uplift the people belong- an Adivasi area. A cement industry was set ing to weaker sections through Small Scale up by an educated youth belonging to a Industries. This is a historic decision. I would Scheduled Caste of that area. But his unit 297 SmaB Industries SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 298

[Sh. Keyur Bhushan] our financial institutions, of the banks, of the Government and even criticisms against me suffered heavy loss and he could do nothing personally. to make it viable. MR. OEPUTY SPEAKER: You are I would like to cite yet another example. congratulating them for criticising you also; A woman of Uttar Pradesh started an indus- very good. try. She could not get money from the Bank. in time, due to which she lost her entire SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We wel- property and her dream for setting up an come criticisms, even ij they are criticisms industry was shattered. against us, because there is always scope for improvement. Though we are working to You should pay attention to these diffi- the best of our ability, criticism is welcome, culties also. Our leader and you have paid and that is how we see the role of Parliament attention to small scale industries. Before I as a watch-dog, and a critical appreciator of conclude, I would like to recite the following the activities of the Government. lines of a verse: I will now attempt to answer the different "Prabhuta Dekh Baden Ki, Laghu Na queries and points raised by the han. Mem- Dijiye Dar" bers. I would also give some statistical data Jahan Kam Aave Suin, Kah Kare Tal- to throw light on some of the points raised. It war" has been rightly pointed out here that small scale industries and the ti ny sector not merely [English] contribute to the economic development in the strict sense, but they also make a major ( Interruptions) contribution in terms of creation of employment. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No; there are many Bills pending. We have to finish I would like to say that as on 1987-88, them. We will ~ake up the next Bill; you can last year, for which the figures are available, participate then. Otherwise, after the Minis- the small scale sector provided employment ter's reply if you want clarifications, you can to 1071akh people. This is their contribution seek them. in terms of employment. They also made a major contribution in the context of exports Now the Minister. which are great priorities today to improve our balance of payment position and to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE strengthen our national economy. In ex- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS ports, the contribution of small scale sector IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI has been to the tune of Rs. 3648 crores as EDUARDO FALEIRO): Though the House per the latest figures available for 1986-87 is rather depleted, being a week-end, and representing 29 per cent of total exports. A also by virtue of the other events known to concern has been expressed on the sick- the House which have taken place in the ness of the industry. While I have been course of the week, the high quality of this saying all these things about employment debate has indeed been impressive. I thank and how much is the contribution of the all the Members who participated in this industrial sector, the question of industrial debate; I congratulate them for the high sickness is paramount in our mind. I am fully quality of the debate, for the valuable sug- in accord with the han. Members that this gestions made, and I must also congratulate must be tackled not merely by words but by them far the criticisms thatthey have levelled active deeds. Therefore, I would like to say at against our activities, against our function- this tim e by way of statistical information that ing, the functioning of our corporations, of the number of sick units given by the RBI as 299 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank Bin 300

[Sh. Eduardo Faleiro] area; keep it in Bombay. We cannot keep it in Bombay because there is no space avail- on December 1987, which is the latest available. They may also say, if there is no space able, was 204,259. The outstanding bank available in Bombay. then keep it in Delhi, credit was As. 1797.31 crores as on Decem- but don't keep it in t"e backward region. ber 1987. Out of these sick units, a viability, Now,this is not the thinking of the House; I study has been carried outtofind out whether am sure, this is not the consensus of the they are viabl3 and how they are to be House; the consensus of the House is that rehabilitated or how they should be kept; and there should not be any concentration of the we have found that viable units are 12484; economic activities nor should for that mat- out of them, 8470 have been put under ter be cor ,-:entration of the institutions with nursing for becoming viable. Non-viable units financed economic activities. have been found-1,86,814; viability has not been decided at that point of time on 15.00 hrs. 4941. A suggestion is there about the financial assistance given so far before we cre- That is, this should be decentralised. ated this Institution. What is the financial This should be put in different parts of the assistance being given by lOBI to the small country. We put it up in Lucknow, Uttar scale industries? I would like to say that Pradesh because it IS the largest backward when the lOBI was started, the quantum of State. However, suggestions were made assistance which was sanctioned to small that If you put it In Lucknow, have branches scale industries vis-a-vis total operation of elsewhere. I assure thiS House that we will lOBI was very small between the year 1964 have a branch In every Single State, big or and 1970. It was just 2.9 per cent. The same small, for that care is taken. percentage during the period July 1988 10 March 1989 had grown to 31.4 per cent. Then, Sir, suggestions were made about Similarly, in actual quantum between the the Board of Directors. On the suggestions penod 1964 and 1970, the small scale sector thatthere must be a representative of women, got Rs. 9.4 crores of assistance against and there must be a representative of sched- almost Rs. 1500 crores for the period 0 July uled castes, I will say this. Our leader, the 1988 to March 1989. We have noted that the Prime Minister has given an indication at the SSS portfolio in lOBI IS now reaching almost national level that all factions of the society one-third of its operation and total attention must contribute to the national energy, they is required for this sector because of its must be mobilised, they must be given equal growth and importance. The institution whIch opportunity, indeed they must make contri- it seeks to create has been contemplated by bution like anybody else, sothat the nation is us. strengthened and its economy i~ strengthened ... ( Interruptions) Coming to SIOBI and the new Institu- tion, there have been some suggestions on PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): Rural several aspects regarding them. We begin people also. with the Headquarters. Some people say, why we want to set up in Lucknow; why SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We shall should we not set it up in Bombay, Delhi and have rural people also. Therefore, in line with Madras? I would earnestly submit here that the thinking of our leader, we shall have there is a contradiction between what this representatives on the Board of Directors House has said and what was said earlier. from amongst women, from the Scheduled This House has said what we must give Castes and from people with experience of more attention to the backward region. The what is happening at the grassroots in the House now says or I would like to sayar rural areas. some Members of the House came and say, don't keep this InstItution in the backward Then, a question was raised, why do 301 Small Industries SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 302 you have the subsidiary of lOBI without any best cream of our people. Bureaucracy is a power of its own. I would like to assuage this system. Bureaucratic approach is an ap- misapprehension by saying that the Small proach. As I see it, bureaucratic approach is Industries Development Bankof India, which an approach, where we would not like to we seek to create, will have independent have any change, we would not like to do powers of disbursement and sanction. anything innovative, which has really no feeling for the grassroots. Therefore, we Then, another question was raised; why have constituted this approach, under which do you have the same Chairman for lOB I and for the first time, in the Review Committees for the new institution? I would like to say of the Banks, Members of Parliament will here, we are creating a new institution. This participate. And again in the light of experi- new institution is not coming from nowhere. ence on how it works, we will include other The roots have been laid by the lOBI, by financial institutions including the SIDBI in giving a lot of assistance to SIDBI, which I this approach. have already mentioned. A lot of programmes have already been done. And that is howthe DR. G.S. RAJHANS (Jhanjarpur): Why growth has contributed. So, it is a new baby, not put MPs in the Board of Directors? a new child and you cannot throwaway like that... (interruptions) SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We have no objection in putting MPs in the Board of MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Then he has Directors, but your Office on Profit Commit- to travel from Bombay to Lucknow. tee will have objection and may disqualify the MPs to become members, who are called SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Sir, we directors. are travelling all the t:me, including yourself ... (Interruptions) PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOl (Baramulla): Without any honorarium. I would like to say that we are very proud of a particular officer, who is amongst the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Our parlia- outstanding officers in this country who has mentary committees and other committees been given recognition recendy by the Gov· can look after that. Why are you so particular ernment of India, the highest level. However, about putting MPs in the Board of Directors? let me take the point made by the House that we must review this. Therefore, the Govern- SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: A point ment will review this, say one year after the has been raised that more attention should institution becomes operational. Sir, when be given to the backward areas. I would like lOB I was constituted, we had Deputy Gover- to say that this is what is being done. This is norof the Reserve Bank as its Chairman and the policy of the Government at the moment in the light of experience, a separate Chair- that thrust, particular emphasis, must be man was created. So, there is no bEtter given on backward areas, backward regions example than that. We shall keep this point for their development. lOBI assistance spe- in our mind. In view of what the House has cifically to backward areas has increased said, at the end of one year after the institu- from mere As. 21 crores in 1970-71 to As. tion becomes operational, we will have a 2336 crores in 1987-88 which represents preliminary review to assess its requirements. over 40 per cent of its aggregate assistance.

Sir, another point has been made about PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOl: Nothing has the involvement of Members of Parliament been done in Jammu & Kashmir. that the institutions tend to become too bureaucratic. Bureaucratic has nothing to do SHRIEDUARDOFALEIRO: ForJammu with the bureaucrats, who are very good & Kashmir we shall do it. You meet me and people and outstanding people amongst the have a discussion. I had myself accompa- 303 Small Industries JULY 28. 1989 Drw. Bank BiR 304

[Sh. Eduardo Faleiro] Bank to look into this so that there is single window clearance for these schemes and njed the Finance Minister to Srinagar re- also recommendations finally approved by cently where I had an opportunity to meet. the Dies are implemented by the banks. And outside our professional discussion. the han. before it is done, banks have an opportunity MP. We shall foNow on what we have de- to look at it. But t 'lere wit! be a sing1e window. cided there and take other suggestions also. one final approval, and that final awrova1 is to be implemented by the bank. That is what The han. Member from Jammu & Ka- we intended to do. shmir has mentioned some specific case where a particular Regional Manager did not As far as the women sector is con- act properly. I am unable to comment on that cerned, the two mahila schemes have been because I do not have the information. But I mentioned in the course of the debate. I am can assure the Member that I will call the happy to tell the House that we have already Chairman of the Bank along with his con- percolated to the State financial institutions cerned officer and sit with the Member of and corporation for implementation the two Parliament in the course of the session and scheme-one for individual women entre- then we shall see what actually can be done. preneurs and the other for voluntary organisations which deal in these matters. Both PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: He has said these schemes have become operational that he is no answerable to the han. Minister. from the end of June last and I hope, it will work properly. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO. A point has been made here, and I am grateful tothe SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN han. Members for raising this point, that (Barmer): What about not having the head- merely giving of money or financial assis- quarters in lucknow? tance does not take us anywhere, that it must be seen that this credit which is being SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We shall disbursed is properly utilised and In particu- have hE'adquarters in Lucknow and we will lar it must be see that the entrepreneur who have a branch in Rajasthan also. takes the money has the necessary skill to make utilisation of the credit; otherwise, he SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: We do lands into trouble and he lands in trouble the not want the headquarters to be in Lucknow. financial institution and the bank. We have the entrepreneurship development pro· SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: What is grammes of the lOBI. We will continue them wrong with having the headquarters in and we will give them utmost important. lucknow? They are not merely to give academic information but also training in preparation of the SHRIVIRDHICHANDERJAIN: Weare feasibility report and soon and so forth. utterly against it.

I would specifically like to mention on SHRI EDUARDO FAlEIRO: We shall the CU scheme to which a reference has do something for Rajasthan also. We shall been made by the han. Members. Members have all the facilities for Rajasthan on these have said that CU scheme is neither properly lines so that there will not be any implemented nor is effective enough. On the complaint. .. (Interruptions) proper implementation, the Members have said that sometimes DICs recommend some SHRI AZIZ QURESHI (Satna): Have it names and banks do not accept those rec- in Bhopal. ommendations. They want to have a second look at the whole thing and the Board does SHRI EDUARDO FAlEIRO: Yes, we not coordinate. We have told the Reserve shall have a branch in Bhopal also. We shall 305 SmaJllndustries SRA VANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bil' 306 have one branch in every single State so that banks are required to introduce an appropri- there will be no mrnplaint. cde system. RegionaJ Managers should review the cases every month. Credit propos- While debating on this BiD. there have als of smalf-scaje units not decided within also been substantial references to the three months from the data of receipt are to operation of the banks. We are celebrating be reported on a quarterly basis to the Board this year the twentieth anniversary of the of Directors for a review and effective follow nat~nalisation of banks. On this occasion up action. The Regional Managers are also we remember the late Prime Minister Shri- requLred to visit the rural branches in such a mati Indira Gandhi who had taken this bold manner that every rural branch is visited by step so that the money of the people goes to an officer at least once in a period of three the people and for the development of the months. people, so that it goes not only of some of the people but to all those who are capable of I am mentioning these guidelines and I utilising it properly. On this occasion we also will give, with great pleasure, a copy of other call upon the banking industry to re-dedicate guidelines to the han. Members. I am men- itself to the objectives and the social goals to tioning them and I will give them a copy also develop banking, to make the nation pros- so that they have this information and at the perous, to make all the sections of the people review meetings they can question and fintj avail of this opportunity, and to make the out to what extent these guidelines are being banking sector also prosperous because the implemented, and if not, why strength of the banking sector is the strength not.. .. (Interruptions) of the nation and vice velsa. However, while saying this, we must admit that in view of the SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): May large and enormous tasks imposed on the I point out one thing, Sir? It is a good arrange- banking sector, sometimes there are delays, ment but out experience IS when a person sometimes the guidelines are not followed. I approaches the bank with an application, the am not mentioned this as an excuse. This is application is refused because there is a no excuse. It is the duty of our officers at all prescribed form kept in the bank. They will levels, right from the Chairman downwards, accept the application only on the prescrib&d to see that the guidelines are strictly imple- form and, at the same time, they would not m&nted. issue the form also. So, I request you to ensure that when a person applies for loan Now, on the question of delay, the fol- bv writing an application, that should be lowing are the guidelines: All applications for accepted and thereafter processed. loans upto Rs. 25,000 should be disposed of by the banks within a fortnight and those for SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We shall over Rs. 25,000 within eight to nine weeks. either follow the suggestion of lhe hon. That is the outside limit, exclusive outside. Ii Member or issue instructions to tile banks to should be usually less time from the date of issue the form. We shall see what is best. But receipt of the application. if the pr~scribec form cannot be filled up by the man or the woman who seeks the loan, The Boards of Directors of the Banks then ti Ie branch officN should help in filling have been enjoined to periodically review up the form ... (/nterruptions) the position. Further guidelines are: Bank have been advised to follow the practice of MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That is not issuing an acknowledgement With a data of the problem. Why should it be necessary to receiptfor all loan applications in all branches. fili upthe particular form which is issued from After the receipt of the application, a definite the bank? Whatever colum ns are there in the date has to be indicated to the applicant fOI prescribed form, they can be typed and the discussion, clarification, etc., if necessary. app:ication can be submitted. Why should For monitoring the timely disposal of cases, the printed form of the bank be necessary? 307 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 Dev. Bank Bill 308

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: You know, opened in the urban areas because there Sir, how the banks function ... (/nterruptions) are already enough bank branches in the urban areas. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The complaint is that getting the application forms is Similarly, on the question of Board of a problem. Directors in the bank, we have practically finalised this exercised and therefore the SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We will suggestion is that there must be a represen- look into this. tation from the Scheduled Castes, from women and so on. This is a very good SHRI A. CHARLES: My point is that suggestion and to the maximum extent we forms should be issued without any difficulty. shall do this and see ~:'at representation of Scheduled Castes is there in the Board of DR. G.S. RAJHANS: They do not give Directors of the Bank. the forms. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: What about SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: If there is the 15-Point Programme? a demand for the forms, they will be issued definitely. If it is the requirement, we shall SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: We are issue instructions that on a demand by a implementing the 15-Point Programme when bona fide borrower forms should be issued. I went to Srinagar. I had request the Chair- The other point arises here is that the pur- man of the Minority Commission also to pose for which these banking systems have address the banking industry and he has had been nationalised is to avoid intermediaries a talk with them and the things will move in and 'dalals'. To avoid Intermediaries a"d the proper direction. As I have said, it is not 'dalals' the banking business has been na- in the context of minorities alone, but it is in tionalised. Now you are taking this outside the context of every section of society. There- the possibility of a person going to the bank fore, this programme has to go in this spirit and asking for forms and then he will circu- that we are all one and we are all moving late them among certain individuals and rightly, but it is also our duties to contribute to then collect them, bring them to the banks. the economy and if the economy is strong, This may not be good practice. Let the bor- everybody would benefit. I would not like to rower himself go to the banks and get the say another more on different problems, but forms. It will be definitely be given. here is a point regarding lack of working capital which has been raised in this House. Now, Sir, a point has also been made Delay in working capital is another point that there should not be concentration of which has been raised, that is, once we bank branches in the urban areas and they sanctior! or approve of a particular industry should be dispersed in the rural areas. This for fin3ncial assistance, the complaint is that point is very well taken. I have myself found sometimes we delay the working capital and out that though the policy is to disperse the thereby contribute to the sickness of the banI< branches in the rural areas mostly industry and on other times, we do not give because urban areas are already banked adequate working capital. For instance, the and sometimes even over-banked. There is requirement is say 'X' number of lakhs of a tendency to open more and mere banks in rupees, we start bargaining with' them and the urban areas while rural areas them- give them 'X' minus so much lakhs of rupees. selves do not have banking-facilities which There is no question of bargaining, either are necessary. We shall take up this matter money is necessary or it is not necessary. If with' t:'a A.B. I. so that this is kept in mind and it is not necessary, don't give anything. If it is all areas will be properly banked which is in necessary, give whatever is necessary. effect is that more and more banking in the Otherwise sickness is there. We agree with rural areas and less and less banks are th:s. We shall take It up with the A.B.I. 309 Small Industries SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) Dev. Bank Bill 310 because they are the monitoring on this and conditions to make the provision operative I will convey to them the feelings of the hon. come into existence. Members of Parliament. They are the Cen- tral Bank, they mange the banks. Govern- SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI (Deog- ment merely owns them. But your feelings arh): Sir. I have something to know from the will be conveyed to them. I thank you very hon. Finance Minister. Of course, this a very much for your valuable suggestions on this welcome measure that the Government have bill. taken a decision to set up a Bank exclusively for the small sector industry. It will definitely SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV (Alwar): If give a boost to the small-scale industries. you conduct a survey. you will ftnd that comparatively small-scale industries are MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No, no. You much more sick than the big industries. I ask the question, whatever clarification you want to know whether any survey has been want to ask. conducted by the IDBl,or anyothercommer- cial banks which have interest in financing SHRI SRJ8ALLAV PANIGRAHI: It is and refinancing those sma!1 scale industries. also a fulfilment of the commitment made by the Government. The Finance Minister made SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Yes, a a reference to this in this Budget Speech in number of small-scale industries are also , 989-90. sick. They are of course more than the large industries. Therefore, this is true that the Sir, the point is, after the establishment sickness in the small-scale sector is particu- of such a Bank, it will naturally take some larly larger and even larger than the percent- time to set up its branches in the States. age of Units, to large-scale sector, which is Probably, as I understand, one branch will not saying that there is no security in the be there in every State. Since it will not be large scale sector also. Sickness unfortu- able to take care of the entire requirement of nately is more pervasive than one would like the small-scale industries in the States ini- to see. tially. I would like to know whether the present arrangement of financing the small-scale SHRI ANANT A PRASAD SETHI (Shad- industries through different commercial banks rak): Sir, I want to know about the continu- also. Will continue or it will be stopped forth- ance of Director. We ha~e amended the with. If that is going to be stopped, then Banking Regulation Act. After the amend- naturally it will create problems. (Interrup- ment, now this has become an Act and in the tions) Act itself it is already there that one Director can continue continuously for a period not SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: What we exceeding six years. But a Director In a are doing is for the benefit of the small-scale particular bank that is already referred to is sector. Nothing will be done to reduce the continuing since the last 13 years.1 want to facilities available. All will be done to in- know why he is contjr,uing li"'e that although crease the facilities. 1 heretore, the present we have amended the Act to tne effect that arrangement will be continued until and one canno: cOit:nue <..ontlnuously for a pe- unless a better arrangement is found for the riod exc.eedl."1g SIX y8ct~S. W~at is the rea- benefit of small-scale industries. sons fer thiS contjrlUar.·:c? MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: The ques- SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: I would tion is: say this much generally that we t)ave passed an Act in Parliament. What the hon. Member "That the Bill ta establish the Small S<'l-y is. some provisions have not been Industries DevelGpment Bank of India brougl1t into effect. All provisions will be as the principal financial i:1stitutlon for brought into effect as soon as the preliminary the promotion, frnancing and develop- 31 1 Small Industries JULY 28, 1989 High Court & Supreme Court 312 Dev. Bank Bill Judges (cond. of Service) Amend Bill

ment of industry in the small-scale sec- Clauses 11 to 54 were added to the Bi/l. tor and to co-ordinate the functions of the institutions engaged in the promo- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question, financing Of developing industry in tion is: the small-scale sector and for matters connected therewith or incidental "That the First Schedule and the Sec- thereto, be taken into consideration." ond Schedule stand part of the Bill".

The motion was adopted The motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The House The First Schedule and the Second will now take up clause-by-clause consid- Schedule were added to the Bill. eration of the Bill. I shall now put clause 2 to 9 to the vote of the House. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question is: "That clauses 2 to 9 stand part of the BilL" MThat clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Long Title stand part of the Bill." The motion was adopted The motion was adopted Clauses 2 to 9 were added to the Bill. Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Clause 10-Casual vacancies in office of Long Title were added to the Bill. Managing Director SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Sir, I move: Amendment made: "That the Bill, as amended be passed" Page 6, line 8,- for "involving" substitute- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER. The ques- "Not involving" (I) tion is:

(Shri Eduardo Faleiro) "That the Bill, as amended, be pass8d~

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The ques- the motion was adopted tion is:

"That clause 10, as amended, stand part oJ the Bill." 15.25 hrs.

The motion was adopted HIGH COURT AND SUPREME COURT JUDGES (CONDITIONS OF SERVICE) Clause 1O. as amended, was added to the AMENDMENT BILL Bill. [English] MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question is: MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now we take up Item No. 13 for discussion. Shri B. Shank- "That clauses 11 to 54 stand part of the aranand to move the Bill. Bill" THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- TICE (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): I beg to The motion was adopted move*:-

·Moved with recommendation of the President. 313 High Court & SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) Judges(cond.of 314 Supreme Court Service) Amend. Bill "That the Bill further to amend the High Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Court Judges (Conditions of Service) High Court and Supreme Court Judges Act, 1954 and the Supreme Court (Conditions of Service) Amendment Bill. As Judges (Conditions of Service) Act, 1958 he hon. Minister has stated, there are three be taken into consideration." main objectives behind bringing this Bill. The first objective of the Bill is that in case of As you are aware, during the year 1986 Judges, who have held any pensionable and 1988 substantial improvements in the post priorto their appointment as judges, the service conditions of the Judges of the High present ceiling of carrying forward leave Courts and Supreme Court had been made. earned by them in earlier post be increased The present Bill is also a result of our con- from 180 days to 240 days w.e.f. 1.11.1986. cern for bringing further improvements in the The second objective of the Bill is to increase ser/ice conditions of the Judges. It also the amount of family pension 10 case of reflects our continuous effort to preserve the judges of High Courts who prior to their independence of the judiciary. In the Bill appointment, have not held a pensionable passed by the Lok Sabha on 8-8-1986 and post and who retire within a period of less 21.3.' 988, enhanced pensionary benefits, than seven years. At present they get a enhanced sumptuary allowances and con- pension of As. 15,750 per annum only and in veyance allowances were extended to the case of their death Rs. 328 a month is paid Judges with effect from 1-11-1986. as family pension to their family. Under the proposed amendment the family pension Now Government proposes to give has been increased to As. 375. It means that benefitstotheJudgesofthe High Courts and the amount of family pension has been in- Supreme Court in the form of raising the creased by Rs. 47 a month. quantum of carry forward of leave to Judges from one hundred eighty days to two hundred Mr. Deputy Soeaker, Sir, when I rose to forty days; enhanced leave allowances after support this Bill, I had the Constitution of 45 days of leave and to raIse the minimum India and its founding fathers In my mind. family pension to Rs. 375/- per month to a When our founding fathers were engaged in Judge w.e.f. 1-11-1986 and to clarify the the task of constitution making, their main meaning expression 'Familypension'to make object was to safeguard democracy in India It more specific. through adopting the principle of separation of powers, for which an Independent Judici- In view of above, the present Bill is ary was required. In pursuance of the above being introduced. I hope this will meet with objective, thEY provided for an independent wholehearted support from all Members of judiciary in the Constitution. Many people the House. had raIsed doubts that by empowering so much power to the judIciary, we were creat- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion ing a third chamber in our polity. In this moved: context I am rem inded of the following words of Pandit Nehru: "That the Bill further to amend the High Court Judges (Conditions of Service) [English] Act, 1954 and the Supreme Court Judges (Conditions of service) Act, 1958 "The Supreme Court shall not be al- be taken into consideration." lowed tc become a Third Chamber."

Shri Aziz Qureshi. [ Translation]

[ Translation] But along with it, the hopes and aspira- tions of the citizens and the common man of SHRI AZIZ QURESHI (Satna): Mr. this country rested on the judiciary and it was 315 P.M.B.R. Com. Report JULY 28, 1989 Resolution reo Measures 316 to control Population [Sh. Aziz Qureshi] July, 1989 subject to the modification that- generally expected that fair, full and impartial justice will be made available to them. (i) para 3 and part (i) of para 7 relating to examination of Constitution (Amend- [English] ment) Sill; and

(ii) sub-paras (1) and (2) of para 6 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You can relating to allocation of time to resolu- continue on Monday or whenever it comes tions; be omitted." for discussion next time. The motion was adopted. The House shall now take up Private members' business.

15.32 hrs.

15.31 hrs. RESOLUTION RE: MEASURES TO CONTROL POPULATION EXPLOSION- COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' CONTD BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS [English] Sixty-Seventh Report MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The House [ Translation] shall now take up further discussion on the resolution moved by Dr. Krupasindhu Shol SHRI CHANDRA KISHORE PATHAK: on the 31st March, 1989. I beg to move: Shri Shantaram Naik. "Thatthis House do agree with the Sixty- Seventh Report of Committee on Pri- SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): Mr. vate Members' Bills and Resolutions Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I stand here to SUPlJOrt presented to the House on 26th Julv, the Resolution moved by my friend and 1989 subject to the modification that- colleague Dr. Krupasindhu Shoi on the 31st March, 1989. In fact, I would like to congratu- (i) Para 3 and part (i) of para 7 relating late Dr. Shoi for the exhaustive Resolution to examination of Constitution (Amend- covering the various aspects of family wel- ment) Bill and fare programmes and other allied matters. The stress that he has laid down in the (ii) Sub-paras (1) and (2) of para 6 resolution can be noted from the six salient relating to allocation of time to resolu- features vix. (i) to recognise the family wel- tions be omitted." fare programme as a national imperative; (ii) evolve a national consensus for acceptance [English] of one child per couple norm by the people; (iii) raise the level of education of women; (iv) MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: The ques- provide adequate health care to women and tion is: children; (v) lay down a uniform civil code for all citizens especially with regard to mar- "That this House do agree with the Sixty- riage and family welfare; and (vi) set up a Seventh Report of Committee on Pri- National Population Commission to suggest vate Members' Bills and Resolutions measures to achieve the target of zero per presented to the House on the 26th cent population growth rate by the turn of the 317 Ae$o/ution re MeasiJres SRA VANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) to control Population 318 century. That IS why I have called It as a very done, people will be aware, especially the exhaustive Resoluiton moved by Or. Bhoi. women folk will be aware of their rights with respect to them avaIlable in the society. We Mr. Deputy-Speaker, S.r, no one can can now know very much about this. In the today charge the Government to say that our present Bill which is pending before the efforts in the matter of family welfare pro- House--the Panchayati Raj Gill-when 30 grammes are anywhere lacking. In tact. the per cent reservation is proposed tor woman Government IS exhaustmg all the avenues folk, speCially in a place like Goa, whenever open for the purpose of propagating thiS there IS a meeting of any politIcal party or a programme, and specially with the advent of SOCial function, women are attending such television, thiS programme has reached every meetmgs and functIons in large numbers, nook and corner of this country. The pro- without even inviting them with special ef- grammes are telecast at night-time or other forts. This is the effect of the legislation times when people sit around the television. WhiCh says that the women shall be given Also, certain short films in the advertisement proper representation. If women folk in the form are shown to convince the people with country are motivated in this manner, th€ " -espect to family planning needs. But here I they will not be lagging behind in under- would like to stress one thing. We have standing the latters before the socletv. television senals on the varrous aspects that are produced by private parties which stress Another aspect which I would ~Ike to the various aspects of our life. And many a stress IS thiS. We have got several centrally time, Doordarshan tells the producers to sponsored schemes for women In the coun- produce programmes from a given SUbject try. In many cases, It happens that a5 far as ,nd such serials are given priority, just as implementation of centrally sponsored senals on Illiteracy or AIDS or Drugs and like schemes for women are concerned, unless that. I would suggest that the Ministry and proposals come from Stat£' Governments, the Government should tell the Doordarshan the Central Government does not grant any to approach certain producers for thp Dur- asslstance-obviously and rightly so. But in :::>ose of producing serials to stress the pro- case, the Central Government:s really inter- gramme of family welfare. No doubt, Gov- ested that the scheme should be imple- ernment produces documentary and short mented by the State Governments and, It 1lims which are very effective. But if TV with the respect to certain schemes, propos- senals of family nature or social nature are als have not come from the State Govern- produced, the message will go home in a ments, they should be asked as to why good better and effective manner. proposals, With respect to a particular scheme, have not come from the State Secondly, It has already been stressed Governments. This has happened. I will not in the resolution to raise the level of educa- name the States. In respect of certain tion of women. In fact, this is very much schemes, no proposals have come. There is essential because jf any programme is to be a centrally sponsored schemes for women, carried out effectively, the level of education for which money is lying so that something of women is very essential. In this respect, I can be done and the scheme is implemented will say that whatever rights which are avail- by the State Governments. Therefore, if we able to the women folk in rural areas, they want to keep up the level of education for are today explained by the people or by the women or if we want to give any assistance Government machinery, rather in technical to them, then these schemes should be terms, which fail to make a point reach to the implemented by the Government effectively. minds of our woman folk. Therefore, these rights or duties or relations with society orthe Another point which has been stressed Government programmes should be ex- in the Resolution is about the uniform civil plained tn the most common language for code. 1think, this is one of the finest points in the people concerning that area. If this is the Resolution moved by Dr. Shoi because 319 Resolution reo Measures JULY 28, 1989 to control Population 320

[Sh. Shantaram Naik] Therefore, I once again would like to congratulate Dr. Shoi for moving this Reso- this code gives equal rights to women in the lution. I think the Government would cer- country. Nobody is to be blamed for that. We tainly agree with the spirit of this Resolution. have not been able to enact a uniform civil code for the country so far, although the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Directive Principles state that we should do MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY it. In fact. an effort was made some ti me back WELFARE (SHRI RAFIQUE ALAM): Mr. by our Prime Minister in which there was a Deputy Speaker Sir, at the outset I must proposal to have a uniform civil code on express my sincerest thanks to Dr. Shoi for voluntary basis to start with, and the idea having raised an extremely crucial and Im- was very much "nked. But in this case whether portant issue of population growth in the it is voluntary or compulsory a consensus is country tor discussion in the House through required because the Ruling Party alone his' Resolution. Several hon. Members of cannot go with this sort of a proposal even this House have expressed themselves on though it might be a voluntary one to start the- Resolution. I am grateful to all who have with'. Unless the whole country adopts this participated in the debate on the Resolution uniform civil code, there will be problems in and thus given us the benefit of their views in many areas and certain religiOUS bodies implementing population policies and pro- may not like to give up their religious rights, grammes in the county. etc. All the Members who have spoken on But I think very few people know that In the Resolution without exception have under- a corner of this country the uniform Civil code lined the gravity of the situation facing us on exists in full form for several years. And that account of riSing population. We are over 80 is the State of Goa. For several years now crores and given the present indications the there is a uniform civil code being Imple- country's population in 2000 AD could be mented effectively In Goa. This code was anywhere between 95 crores and 100 crores. enacted by the Portuguese Government As KLmari Mamata Banerjee said, we are under which men and women are treated adding one Australia to our country each equally. The moment a person marries, his year; quite true. The projects for the coun- wife becomes automatically entitled to half try's population for 2020 AD range from 120 of the share in the property without any to 150 crores depending upon the degree of writing on papers and without making any success we achieve in our population pro- documents also. After hte marnage if the gramme in the coming 4 to 5 years. There husband wants to sell or do away With the seems every possibility that by 2025 AD we oroperty or ever mortgc3ge a document In a would have overtaken China as the most bank, Without trle consent of the Wife he populous country in the world and fears cnnnot do anv1f-llng expressed by Shri Sriballav Panigrahi may come true, unless we act fast. So, In GOcl the law applies equally to all-Hmdus Christians and Muslims. There Such a frightening growth of population IS no ~oecial enactment. This uni10rm civil has severe implications for the entire socio- code has be8n functioning effectively for economic structure of the country. Produc- decades together In thiS territory. ThiS IS the tion of food may not keep pace with the only solution in case we would like to keep needs of the growing population. Degraded the status of women along with men and give environment, depletion of forests may result them a real status in life in the family. ThiS ill more frequent national calamities such as enactment, of course with consensus, of a droughts and floods. Water could be a prob- uniform ciVil codes at some future date is a lem and so could be the sanitation. Un- must. We cannot have it without consensus. planned growth of cities and towns could It is the only solution that will be available. result in larger slums. The century could end 321 Resolution re. Measures SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) to control Population 322 up by our having the largest number of Many hon. Members of this House in- illiterates in the world. Rising population may cluding Shri Vyasji and Dr. Manoj Pandey result in increasing unemployment and may have argued for providing attractive incen- prevent us from reducing the number of tives to motivate eligible couples to adopt people below the poverty line towards whom family planning. While the Government at all our developmental efforts are being di- present extends some incentives to Govern- rected. ment servants, to the general public an amount of compensation for loss of wages is Thus, way back in 1952. a Family Plan- available. This amount, however, only repre- ning Programme was launched in this coun- sent~ the Government of India contribution. try, the first ever in the world. The expendi- In reality, it is almost impossible to compute ture on Family Planning which was barely 15 the amounts of incentives being given to the lakhs in the First Plan has risen to the neigh- acceptors by various States, by various bourhood of about 3000 crores in the Sev- business groups or by some industrial enth Plan. The Couple Protection Rate which houses. There are strong arguments in fa- was about 10% in 1971 has risen to over vourofgiving incentives and there are equally 40% now. The programme has resulted in strong view points against extending the averting over 95 million births. There is an incentives. The whole question of incentives universal awareness of Family Planning therefore, merits further discussion-both though no universal acceptance of the same. as a matter of policy as well as of strategy. By and large in most of the areas of this country Family Planning and MCH services I do take note and am in agreement with are available. the Members who have expressed their anger, anxiety and anguish over the level of Unfortunately the acceptance of family quality of health and family planning serv- planning by a couple is not merely a matter ices available in many parts of the country. of availability of technology. It is an intensely Through our plans we are constantly making personal decision, which is governed by the attempts to enlarge the infrastructure and socio-economicsituations and the peer rela- the hardware. tions in which the couple is placed. Thus by the very nature of this situation the role of Now, we do realise the need of improv- functionaries and the official machinery is ing the quality of health services and to this limited. It is here that I fully agree with Shri purpose we are planning projects based on Virdhi Chand Jain that the people's repre- intensive training and by improvement of sentatives from the grass root level upwards, management and supervision in our pro- from Panchayat leaders to Parliamentarians gramme particularly in relatively poor per- have to playa crucial role. What needs to be forming States. Towards this direction we disseminated and propagated is that the are determined and I do assure the Mem- family planning is an essential ingrediant of bers that we will leave no stone unturned to mother and child health and that family plan- improve the quality of services available to ning is safe. The han. Members in this House the mothers and children all over. have overwhelmingly admitted that this leadership on the part of the elected representa- 15.51 hrs. tives is not forthcoming or as Shri Thombi Singh stated that everybody is for belling the [SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI in the cat but no one bells the cat. We need to Chair] create a climate and consciousness and treat the issue relating to family planning Family Planning programme has been above all party affiliations and ideologies and will continue to be a purely voluntary and I am happy to note that the support for movement. We are absolutely clear in our this is forthcoming from all sections of the views that there is no room for coercion of House. any manner of any kind in our programme. 323 Resolution re. Measures JULY 28,1989 to control Population 324

(Sh. Rafique Alam] dition to the success of our family planning programme. I am in agreement with Shn The urge for accepting family planning must Shahabuddin that we have to ensure that come from w~hin and should be based on children do not die prematurely. IMR must motivation and persuasion. We do not fa- come down. vour any legal or statutory steps in this regard. In order to keep welfare of a family in Some of the Members, particularly Dr, focus, we have advocated the adoption of a Bhoi and Smt. Phulrenu Guha have pleaded two child norm and it is in line with the for adopting birth prevention methods avail- customs and traditions of this country. Smt. able in indigenous system of medicine. We Mamata Banerjee has rightly observed tilat have been searching in this area but have law cannot do everything. not been Sl_;c.-: ..;:;;.sful so far. Out of about 400 formulations idp.ntified for preventing contra- We are fully aware of the role, female ception about ~ were singled out and the literacy plays in bringing about fertility de- experimen1s are on with regard to 4 formula- cline. This point has been highlighted by tions which have shown promise of success. many Members of this House including Smt. We are aware of the promise that ISM sys- Phulrenu Guha, Shri Ajay Mushran, and Shri tem might hoid and we are involved in ex- Manoj Pandey. The success of family plan- ploring the sa"-·-,e. But so far, we are not in a ning programme in Kerala is primarily due to posi}ion to inLlOduce anything from ISM in high female literacy and high female em- the pr09ramm~ for promoting the prevention ployment. Our launching of universal liter- of pregnancy. acy Mission speaks of our awareness and commitmentto bring about universal literacy ." '. Dr. Shoi while moving his resolution had not forthe sake of fam ily planning only but for pleaded for taking up measures evolving a raising the status of women. It is not only consensus on one child per couple norm,' literacy but the overall status of women that setting up of a National Population Commis- determines the acceptance of small family sion and enacting a uniform civil code or law norm. for all citizens.

The Hon'ble Members have referred to In our family planning programme, we the success of adoption of one child norm for promote two child family norm. This norm lowering the birth rate. I do not have the has been proposed taking into account the details of success fa such a policy in the realities of the ground situation. Our studies neighbouring country to which the Hon'ble have shown that in most of the States, par· Members have alluded to, but I am clear that ticularly in north India, people want about this policy does not fit into our situation. We tour children to complete the size of their seek to promote small family norm of a two fam ily. Nor can we deny presence of a strong child family through voluntary adoption by son preference in many parts of our country. the eligible couples through our programme. Our programme is voluntary in nature and at To this purpose we ha~e to make all out no cost coercion of any sort has any place in efforts to reduce the infant mortality rate. The our programme. We feel that it is easier and Universal Immunisation Programme with the a more likely possibility of adopting two child objective of immunising every child by 1990 family norm in near future by our people than was launched in 1985 as a living memorialto that of accepting one child norm. We have the memory of our late Prime Minister Smt. also to take into account the fact that our Indira Gandhi. The programme has been infant mortality rate, tho'ugh it may have moving successfully and I am happy to income down, still continues to be high and in form the Members that all the districts in the view of this, we will not like to promote one country will be covered by this programme child norm as a national policy in the pro- by the end of the 7th Plan. Our child survival gramme. However, there is no bar on edu- strategies, we believe firmly, are a pre-con- cated and well motivated couples in accept- 325 Reso/ution reo Measures SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) to control Population 326 ing one child family norm if they wish to do Member to withdraw the resolution as the so. objective, the hon. Member has in mind, is fully shared by us. I personally highly value In the matter of setting up of a body like the sentiments and concern that have been National Commission to achieve zero per expressed by the hon. Member and other cent growth rate of population by the turn of Members of the House and assure them that the century, : have to state that bodies or there will be no let up in our efforts for institutions like National Population Com- promoting the programme of family welfare mission are only a means to an end and not on an integrated basis of family planning and an end in itself. Our goals are clear. We have mother and child health services. I will also mechanism of sitting across, discussion and take this opportunity of urging the Members consulting with State the entire range of our to lend us their support and cooperation family welfare programmes and policies. The irrespective of party affiliations and ideolo- Central Council of Health and Family Wel- gies in making the family planning programme fare is the apex national body, set up under a real people's movement. article 263 of the Constitution of India, which reviews the situation from time to lime and 16.00 hrs. adopts resolutions and guidelines which propel us towards our goal of population MR. CHAIRMAN (SHRIMATI BASAV- stabilisation. In view of this, there is no ARAJESWARI): Dr. Shoi, you have to reply pressing necessity for establishing any body now. Would like to say something? or commission at least for the present. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI (Sam- In view of this, the Amendment moved balpur): Madam Chairman, it is a great by Shri Shankarlal to the Resolution is in line privilege that you are in the Chair. I have with our policy. stressed about increasing the status of women and the population control in my The hon. Member has also sought to Resolution. I also congratulate the Minister add in the Resolution that a uniform civil law and I will chant a sloka for him. After hearing for all citizens for adoption of family planning the same, it will be for him to consider whether programme prescribing a limit of two chil- I should withdraw my Resolution or not. dren per couple should be enacted. [ Trans/ation] I would like to inform the hon. Members that the proposal of the uniform civil code to "Paropkaray Falanti vriksha Pa- provide for uniform law for marriage, di- ropkaray bahanti nadyah Paropkaray vorce, etc., applicable to all communities duhanti gavah Paropkaray midam had been under consideration of Ministry of shariram." Law and Justice for some time. As the necessary atmosphere in the country for bring- Our trees bear fruits for others, rivers flow for ing forward a uniform civil code is a pre- the benefit of others and our cows also give requisite, it is felt not to proceed with the milk for the benefit of others. Therefore, we proposal unless the conditions in the country are endowed with the human body for doing are conducive for bringing forward such a good to others. I have seen thE ideal place- legislation. ment of stars of the hon. Minister. He is capable of such charity. I have informed the hon. Member of what is it that we are doing in the field of [English] family welfare and population stabilisation, of our concern and anxieties on the issue The reply of the Minister is written by a and of our continued efforts in that direction. bureaucrat. It has never been consulted with In view of this, I would request the han. a technocrat or any doctor or an eminent 327 ResOlution fe. Measures JULY 28. 1989 to control Population 328

[Dr. Krupasindhu Shoi] doctors are not capable to achieve that success rate of 80 per cent? They are very journalist or any industrialist like Mr. J.R.O. much capable, but you have to supply them Tata. The bureaucrat has not advised him Japaroscopes in allthe primary health centres. properly about the quotations of Smt. Indira Gandhi and repeated by Mr. Rajiv Gandhi. I Rs. three thousand crores provided for also congratulate all the hon. Members who family planning is not a small amount. We have supported my Resolution i:lnd out of 31 are purchasing copper T tubes, we are Members, except Mr. Piyus Tiraky who had importing loop irom abroad. When India can been critical, everybody has though not produce Intermediate ballistic missiles, when supported all the six points but somehow or India can produce medium range ballistic other they have supported me. I must men- missiles, when India can produce interconti- tion their names. Otherwise, I will fail in my nental ballistic missiles, why not this? When duty. They are Shri Virdhi Chander Jain, Dr. Shri Rajiv Gandhi will stop star war by 2000 G. Vijaya Rama Rao, Dr. Phulrenu Guha, AD, and for which reason we are not produc- Shri Syed Shahabuddin, Shri N. Tombi Singh, ing polar missiles, why can't we do this? Kumari Mamata Banerjee, Shri Girdhari Lal Vyas, Shri Aziz Qureshi, Shri Kammodilal "Ganga Satudi Yamunadinadyah, Jatav, Shri Ajay Mushran, Shri Het Ram, yasya prasutim paripalyanti, Shri Ram Shri ChintamaniJena, Shri E. Ayyapu Reddy, Sita Charanaih praputah, same priyo Shri Piyus Tiraky, Shri Snballav Panigrahi, Bharat bhavya deshah." Shri V. Kishore Chandra S. Oeo, Shri Raj Kumar Rai, Shr; Harish Rawat, Smt. Geeta As I said, I suggest once again a com- Mukheqee, Shri K.D. Sultanpuri, Prof. Saifud- prehensive legislation. If we import Lee Tube din Soz, Shri Nityananda Misra, Shri Uttam now, and with the help of laparoscope, optic Rathod, Shri Mankuram Sodi, Shri K.P. Singh fibre can be inserted in vasdifference and Deo and Shri Manoj Pandey. The Ministers Fallopian tube respectively, and after that if instead of going into the points comprehen- you conduct vasectomy or tubectomy, the sively, have only diluted the pOints. I was tube will remain potent. If unfortunately, one expecting a better reply from the Minister. child dies, in the couples reproductive age, But, unfortunately, if at alii have to withdraw we can re-cannalise it and the chances of my Resolution, I should at least be satisfied success can be eighty per cent. if he recommends tha tamily planning programme as a national imperative, as I have We are also testing too non-vulnerable already spoken. He has to strive for a zero herb, whose chances of success are almost growth rate by adopting one-child norm by hundred per cent. But for that, bio-medical 2010 A.D. research is required. Who will do it? J had suggested that in my Ayurved College and According to my information, the pres- Research Institute, I can produce a medicine ent population of India is more than 820 with the help of a best druggist, from an million; it is not 800 million. BBC also an- Institute like AIIMS, Shri Siddiqui, a bio- nounced about thirty days ago that by 2015 chemist and a person who is responsible for AD at this rate of growth of population, the the reproductive biology. If these three per- population of India will surpass that of China. sons combine, we can succeed in a period of In view of this, I had suggested to have a three years. That will be very helpful for India comprehensive legislation to proceed in two and that will be perhaps the biggest achieve- phases; first, two-child norm, then steriliza- ment of India. These vulnerable herbs are tion, vasectomy or tubectomy and then re- available in my place Gandhmardan and canalization of vasdifference, if required. Bastar in Koraput district. leMR is also doing The re-canalization success rate In India is research, as you told us, but what their only 30 per cent, whereas in the western findings are, I cannot tell. This vulnerable world, it is 80 per cent. Do you think that our herb is preserved in my garden also. 329 Resolution re. Measures SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) to control Population 330

As I said, unless the druggist, the bio- man of that Commission. H the Minister chemist and the reproductive biologist com- wants, Ican quotethedebate but Idon'twant bine in this research we cannot succeed. to take much time of the House. The Prime Minister should be its Chairman; Minister The fertilization stops for three years should be the convenor and one eminent after a single dose of one root. If unfortu- journalist or an eminent industrialist like Shri nately. the couple loses their child, then we J.R.D. Tata, who have knowledge in this can give another dose of another root, by field, should also be there. If in the world the which re-fertilization occurs in the woman. success rate is 80 per cent then if we adopt So, this should be tested. We can change it in our country we can also register 80 per the terminology of Indian System of Medi- cent success. Just now Mr. Naik told as to cine to Indian system of Modern Medicine. how it can be propagated. You don't have to We have borrowed Allopathy system from ask doctors to come here orto have a Centre the West. Homeopathy system we have to give training. Through T.V. you can give borrowed from Nepal. Ayurvedic system of training. We are giving incentives to the medicine is our own Indian system of medi- couples who have one child. I have stressed cine. So, why should we not consider it? Fi rst about the education of women, particularly and the foremost thing I would like to know is in the below poverty line areas. That ques- where does this Rs. 3000 crores have gone. tion has not been answered. People liVing In 1975-76 we could sterilise about 80 lakh below the poverty line do not come to schools, eligible couples then why for this year the especially the girls are earning money by figure is only 50 lakhs that too when we are doing some work at home. So if they send spending Rs. 3000 crores. Only 3 to 4 cases their girl children to the schools, they should which came to the court could be justified. be given Rs. 50 per cent incentive. Free So, I would say let us forget the Health education and free books upto the 12th Department. The other day Madam Saroj standard should be given to these children. Khaparde was saying that there is no role of Whether a man is rich or poor, he should be vaccine in Cholera in epidemic area. I was given such facilities. I suggest that 50 per very much surprised to listen it. These vac- cent of the seats should be reserved for cines when reach the Primary Health Centre women coming from every category in the only 17percent potency is leit inthem.1 have Engineering colleges, Medical colleges and got no grudge against the bureaucrats. They in other places, just like Rajivji had done in are the sons of the soil, but they have been Panchayats, Panchayat Samitis, Zila Par- given training in the Western style. I would ishads and Municipal Committees. Without say, if there is Indian medical service or education the status of women cannot be Indian engineering service, then we will get increased. It is already mentioned in Articles better results. Well, I am not doubting the 14 and 15 of the Constitution. Because in sentiments of the bureaucrats. My humble India, if you abrogate any Article of the submission to the Minister without cutting to Constitution, you will not come under privi- the sentiments of the bureaucrats is that lege. The Act of Parliament is there. The these institutions or the Medical Facuhy Rule is there. If anybody abrogates it or if should be headed by a person of eminence anybody infringes it, he will come under and merits and merits alone should be the privilege and he can be punished. consideration. Mr. Shantaram Naik has categorically One-child goal is nothing. We can have told that under Directive Principles, it is there. a legislation about that. There is no bar on 'So, nobody can stop it. In London, at the time this in Malaysia. In Maharashtra they had a of appointment and retirement, there is dis- legislation but they have withdrawn it. So, crimination as far as women are concerned. the first and foremost thing is to have a There are so many other things. J am an MP Population Control Commission like the one who comes from Doctors' profession. If my in Malaysia. The Prime Minister is the Chair- wife is a matriculate. she cannot put pres- 331 ResolUtion fe. Measures JULY 28. 1989 to control Population 332

[Dr. Krupasindhu Shoil ing to me, in this commission, representatives of Imams, of Mullahs, of Shankarachar- sure on me. After three or four children, she vas, and of the Sikhs-all the people should can tell me. What can you do? So, if a woman be there. is equally qualified, she can ask her husband, she can ask her parents, she can ask I am a smc' man; I have not made her brother-in-law or for that matter every- elaborate points, but I have so much infor- body that "please don't do this mistake" We mation available in my Chamber. But let have made a legislation that girls below 18 them examine my suggestion and formulate years of age should not marry. But still 48 per a policy as to whether a legislation is recent of the girls, upto that age now, are quired or not, a Common Civil Code should marrying. Unless and until, some pressure is be there or not, and whether a one-child put on the grey matters on our Indian people, norm should be fixed. they may never follow it. Just by way of lectures or showing films in the theatres or I request that a sanction may be given to something like that, can't help. Unless and me forthls bio-medical research centre. I am until the status of women-I could have one hundred percent sure that among these elaborated much but the Minister is well non-vulnerable herbs. two categories are aware of my sentiments-is improved, it very potent. Just as in AauHia Serpentina, cannot be done. We should have a uniform from the root we get Serpasi', from the barks civil code. I remember the speech which was and leaves we get 17 alkaloids and from the made by Noorjehan in Aajya 5abha on 13th fruit we get Cortisone, we have to adopt a August, 1982 to the Resolution moved by method here and see what are the ingredi- Mr. Bhandare that "Muslim Personal Law ents. Then only we will know by which time permitting a Muslim to have any number of the fertilization of ovum is stopped, and by wives as he likes. When a Muslim is permit- which time we can take steps to revitalize, for ted to have his second wife, the law clearly re-fertilization purposes. says that he should obtain the consent of the first wife as well as he should have the The provision of As. 3,000 crores is not material support to provide for both." Even a small thing. Earlier, the allocation was Shri Shantaram Naik, Dr. Manoj Pandey and meagre, which was like a drop in the ocean, other people who have spoken just before and like pelting a stone at the mountain. But me have quoted different muslim countries the present amount is fairly huge. But why as to what their laws are. What is happening should be we import things which are avail- in Egypt? What is happening in Bangla- able here itself? desh? In Bangladesh also polygamy has been banned. In Pakistan, they have to take I have already said that the bureaucrats the permission. So, we are not going to touch will not be knowing the technicalities of the them their basic personal law. I was giving subject; but I do not cast any aspersions on the quotations of 3-4 Imams who control 27 them. But the correct anitude should be per cent of muslim population of the globe. there among the bureaucrats. In the Hindi So, 27 per cent of the globe represents belt. the most important thing that we have to muslim population. What was their view, that do concerns the appointment of agents. For I have quoted. So, this was mentioned by every 2,000 eligible couples, four agents Noorjehan. At that time Shri Hidayatullah should be there. These agents should have was the Chairman. a minimum qualification of Matriculation. They should be recruited only from the villages concerned, so that the lady knows the social He was the best person. He said: 'Please taboos, and also where the shoe pinches. H form a committee, and change the existing she proves her worth in three years, she Muslim Personal Law in India.' So many should be immediately absorbed in the eminent people have said this. So, accord- Department of Family Planning. 333 Resolution reo Measures SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) to control Population 334

Population control is now entry No. 20 in used at the time of delivery because the the 7th Schedule, under Article 246, it is in Malaumcoil is susceptible to infection. So, the Concurrent Ust. So, the Finance Minister the infant mortality rate which is now 95 per is giving so much money to different States; thousand, can be reduced to 30 per thou- but they are spending the amounts as they sand by following the example of Australia. like, giving incentives as they like. These things are on record. My suggestion ;s that Our Prime Minister is taking some steps you can bring it under the Union List. My which are not palatable to the Congress- emphasis would be on the North Indian men, but still he wants to give justice to States, viz. the Hindi belt where the period everybody. For that reason, he has signed between 14 and 25 years of age among the Accords in Punjab and Assam. Until and females is the most susceptible period for unless we try to follow one child norm, which fertilization. During that period, without ask- is possible-I have been telling for a long ing any questions about parentage, Medical time-we cannot go ahead. So, a compre- Termination of Pregnancy should be done, hensive legislation should be brought for- on a punch button basis. (Interruptions) ward on the suggestions 1have given above. Now if the hon. Minister tells me something about it, then I will withdraw my Bill. I am very brief, Madam. Hyou allow me time, I can speak for ten hours on this sub- "Prarabhyate no khalu vighnabhayan ject. neechai Prarabhya vighnavihita viramanti- madhyah But the Act of the MTP should be Vighnaih punah punrapi pra- amended for conducting Amniocystosis tihanyamanah Chononi Villi Test. This test should be aban- Prarabhyamuttam Janah na pari- doned for temale foetocide; only it should be tyajanti." allowed if malformation baby is there in the uterus like hydrocehalus or spina bifide, [ Translation] coyoined twin pregnancy. It means that there are three types of The second point is about non-formal people in this world-the inferior, the average education through word of mouth by women and the excellent. The people who do not workers. Facilities should be provided to want 10 take any initiative are labelled as the liberalise MTP by providing instant abortion inferiortype. The average are those who are facilities like Japan's push button system. able to take an initiative to do a work but Facilities should also be provided to improve abandon it when obstructions come in their child survival and thereby lower the infant way. The excellent ones are those who mortality, oral rehydration, breast feeding, complete a task once they start it, inspite of health education and applied nutrition sup- all odds. In 1977-78, the term 'Farr.ily Plan- plementary. I am giving concrete sugges- ning' was changed to 'Family Welfare'. Shri tions to the hon. Minister for this. The facili- Rajiv Gandhi is Jawaharlal Nehru's grand- ties for Gamma Ray sterile kits are now son and, therefore, no one can oust him. , available at Bombay and Bangalore and sum up my point with the following Sanskrit likely at Sri Ram Institute, Delhi. 160 million verse: eligible couples are there now in India. In Australia, forthe lady who is pregnant, these Gamma Rays Sterile kits are given to her Purusheshu Malli, naganeshu Dilli, freely so that during the time of delivery, Narishu Basavarajeshwari, nareshu these kits can be used; the potency of these Rafiq Alam' kits remains for one year in whichever tem- Nripavareshu RajivGandhi, Kavyeshu perature you keep them. So, the kits can be Meghdootam Kavi Kalidasah. 335 Resolution reo Measures JULY 28, 1989 Resolution reo Employment 336 to control Population to one member in each family

[Dr. Krupasidhu Shoi] MR. CHAIRMAN: Has Dr. Krupasindhu Shoi leave of the House to withdraw his [English] Resolution?

Zin Dixon had announced in a hotel that SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. Kennedy is being assassinated and atter a moment it was announced on T. V. and Radio The Resolution was, by leave, withdrawn that Kennedy was assassinated. She wrote a book entitled "Crystal Balls" where she predicted. 16.34 hrs. Shri Rajiv Gandhi will stop this star war and by 2000 AD, UNO WIll be shifted to India. RESOLUTION RE: EMPLOYMENT TO ONE MEMBER IN EACH FAMILY We may not see, but our children will see,' not Rahul Gandhi as the PrIme Minis- [English] ter, but Priyanka Gandhi. DR. G.S. RAJ HANS (Jhanjharpur): Let the Minister reply now. Then, I with- beg to move: draw my Resolution. "This House urges upon the Gov· THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ernment to provide suitable em· MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ployment to at least one member in WELFARE (SHRI RAFIQUE ALAM): each family." Madam, I am thankful to Dr. Shoi for his valuable suggestions and I assure him that [ Translation] his observation will be of great value to us in the implementation of our programme. Madam Chairman, I have brought this resolution with a heavy heart. On the basis of my I have already covered the points raised experience of the last 4 112 years, I can say now by Dr. Shoi in my reply. I would now that unemployment is the biggest problem request Dr. Shoi to withdraw his resolution. facing the country today. Shri Rajiv Gandhi by according highest importance to this We are committed to Family Planning problem, has carved out a permanent place Programme and its success through educa- for himself in the history of the nation. tion and motivation. While announcing the Jawahar Rozgar MR. CHAIRMAN: There are two amend- Yojana in this House, the Hon. Prime Minis- ments which have been moved by Shri ter had stated that there was no problem in Shankarlal and Shri Syed Shahabuddin. Now this country which was more serious than I shall put them to the vote of the House. that of unemployment and under-employment. The grass root level workers in the Nos 1 and 2 rural and the urban areas, the people who come across the problems of the people, are The amendments were put and negatived the only ones who are able to comprehend the seriousness of this problem. MR. CHAIRMAN: Dr. Shoi, are you withdrawing your Resolution? The Jawahar Rozgar Yojna envisages to provide employment to at least one DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: With deep member of each family living below the sorrow and anguish and with a heavy heart. poverty line. There are crores of families 'want to withdraw my Resolution. which have no means of livelihood even 337 Resolution re. SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) member in each 338 Employment to one family today. I have stated in my resolutions that not end here also, he has to run from pillar to suitable employment opportunities are not post but to no avail. When he fails to get a job available. In my constituency alone, there in the dty, he goes back to his village where are at least one lakh unemployed people and nothing but the same old gibes are in store there are many more such cases in the for him. Thisaddsfueltothefirecoaxing him adjoining areas. When I visit my constitu- to revoh against the law and take to arms. In ency and see these hordes of unemployed utter frustration, he joins hands with the people, I get very much worried. I am natu- terrorists. This vicious circles is going on in rally concerned about their future and I do the most parts of Bihar today. Educated not know as to where will their unemploy- youths who did not get employment, have ment lead them to. The way water finds its taken to arms and formed a parallel Govern- own course, these unemployed youths will ment in some parts of the State. It is feared also go wayward. And they are already going that this evil may spread in other parts of the astray. We can observe that from the agita- State or the country. So it has assumed an tions that are taking place in Central Bihar in alarming proportion, the consequences of the name of Jharkhand movement or else- which are beyond our comprehension. A where in the country, it is generally the time will come when there will be an army of unemployed youth who participate in them. educated unemployed youths plundering the In this connection I would like to refer to the country and we will be helpless in providing education system in the courtry, in general, employment to them. So there is time for us and in Bihar State, in particular. It IS unfortu- to give a serious thought to this problem. rate that the local politicians have a ten- Article 41 of the Constitution relating to the dency to set up colleges and recruit lecturers Directive Principles of State Policy provides: by taking bribes from them and charge capi- tation fees for admission into these institu- [English] tlorls. When a young rnan comes out from a such college with an intermedIate or B.A. "The State shall, within the limits of its degree he becomes a burden on the society economic capacity and development, make as he does not get employment anywhere. In effective provision for securing the right to the meantime, his paren~s marry him off. work, to education and to public assistance Thereafter his condition becomes more in cases of unemployment, old age, sick- miserable as the members of his own family ness and disablement and in other cases of stalt cursing him by saying what a miserable undeserved want". man he is that he carr't get a job despite so much expenditure having been incurred on [ Translation] hiS education for which even landed prop- eny of the family had to be sOld. Even his wife The need of the hour is that the right to passes taunting remarks on him and curse:; work as contained in the Directive Principles her parents for marrying her to a boy who is of State Policy should be made a fundamen- unableto secure ajob anywhere. HIS in·laws tal right. At least one member of each family 91be him by saying that he is useless fellow. should be provided employment. I have seen, They say that they' married their daughter to as I said earlier also, leave aside unemploy- him thif1klng that the man would be able to ment among uneducated youths, even hun- earn his lIvelihood one day but he proved to dreds of thousand of educated youths are be a worthless fellow. In sOCIety also, he is unemployed. You would be surprised to know ridiculed by the people for hiS failure to rope that in th(' cities like Delhi persons with firs~ In good connections to secure a job for him. class degree in Economics, History etc. or People often cajole him citing examples of with post-graduate degree are doing menial other boys who managed to secure jobs jobs such as washing plates in hotels. Is it not purely by virtu~ of high connections. Under our responsibility to provide proper employ- such mental agony, he comes to city in ment to them befitting their qualifications search of employment. But his agony does and ability? What is there for him in his 339 Resolution re. JULY 28. 1989 one member in 340 Employment to each family

[Dr. G.S. Rajhans] the certificates Issued in Hindi, they wouki reply that they will look into the matter and village where his family IS not in a position to request us to direct to persons concerned to get even two square meals. He does not them. When the individual again goes there. disclose his qualifications and ability to they again harass him by raising doubt about anybody and whatever is offered to him, he the genuineness of his certificates. Despite accepts it, whether it is a job of a labourer or repeated requests and pleas made by him in a waiter in a hotel orforthat matter any other support of genuineness of the certificates, menial work, so that he is able to earn his the employment exchange men do not budge livelihood. He thinks that even if he is not and direct him to get them certified by the able to save money to send back tor his Employment Exchange in Bihar to the effect family home but he is content that he will not that the certificate is a genuine one. As the longer be a burden on his family and if he is functioning of employment exchanges all able to save a small amount of Rs. 100/- or over the country is more or less the same, so, he may send it to his family for their when he goes there, they demand a sum of sustenance. He says that nobody in his Rs. 100/- as illegal gratification for certifYing village knows the kind of work he is doing in the genuineness of the certificates. After such a big city like Deihl or Calcutta. What I doing the needful, when he again goes to mean to say is that a sense of frustration is employment exchange in Delhi, the man in fast growing among the youths, particularly the Exchange will say that his name is al- the educated youths and it IS essential to ready registered In the Employment Ex- check it. I would like to tell you that there is a change in Bihar, so he cannot get employ- vested interest in the society. Suppose there ment in Delhi. This time he is asked to furnish are six members in a family whose five a certificate from the exchange in Bihar that members are already employed still the sixth his name IS not registered there, failing which member of the same family will get er,ploy- his name cannot be registered here. This ment. Thus the members of such families frustrated man again goes to Bihar and whose not a single member IS employed, requests the officials of the concerned remaining unemployed. If four members of employment exchange in Bihar to stnke his my family are employed, I will try my level name from the live register of the exchange best thatthefifth memberofthefamily is also so that he could get his name registered in appointed. It is the duty of the Employment Delhi. Now, they demand a fat amount of As. Exchanges to display the vacancies prop- 5001- from his to do the needful. However, erly and intimate the persons registered with the deal is struck at Rs. 200/- which he has them about the vacancies. They should ar- to manage by selling the foodgrains in his range employment for the unemployed. But house. After fulfilling the requisite condi- the~e duties are not being performed ear- tions, he again comes to Delhi in the hope nestly by Employment Exchanges. I am that this time his name would be registered making this submission with full responsibil- here and he would get employment in Delhi. ity and my personal experience is that the But alas! what a bad luck for him. After a few employment exchanges in the country and rounds of the exchange, he is asked to bring Delhi in particular are hot beds of scandals. a ration card. He is told that unless he brings Firstly, they refuse to register the names of a ration card, his name cannot be registered the candidates on flimsy grounds. Suppose in the exchange in Delhi. He again comes to a person hails from Bihar or Uttar Pradesh, me for help. Being moved on hearing his they would refuse to register his name by pathetic story, I ring up the concerned man in saying that his certificates are in Hindi, as if the exchange and remind him that the man they do not know Hindi or they have come has got his name struck from the exchange from England. When the concerned individ- in Bihar on their advice. Not only this, I also ual approaches the people's representative certify that he resides in Delhi. But , am told of his area and a man like me asks them over that even my certificate is of no avail in the telephone as to why they are not able to read matter. They insist on producing a ration card. 341 Resolution reo SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKA) one memb@r in 342 Employment to each family They say that unless a ration card is pro- wage basis. Later, they say that they have no duced by him. his name can not be regis- vacancies. After a gap of some years a note tered. Is it not complete lawlessness? There is put up to the higher ups requesting them to are no rules and regulations for their own absorb the casual labour working for the last peopte. Their names are registered and two years on a permanent basis. thereafter employment card is also prepared for them. You hold out that the employment I beg pardon of my trade union friends, exchange authorities are dOIng good work, because it so happens that the trade union but I say that they are causing striking at the people put pressure on the management to very roots of the society. We shall have to recruit their own men and not to hold any face the consequences. In case it fans the open competition. As a result, the relatjyesof flame of resentment among the people, what the office bearers of the trade unions get will be its resu~? When a person has to visit recruited. People who had come from Bihar, the employment exchange for a number of Punjab or Haryana continue to remain un- times and still his name is not registered with employed. It does not matter for them if they the exchange, will he forgive us? He will be possess far higher qualifications than the disappointed, join the naxalites and ruin persons who were given employment. It is a people like us. I request you to find out a racket. If we do not bust this racket, we will solution to this problem. have infact to face a very difficult situation.

The proper way forthis would be that all Though I have a number of points to the vacancies in the private companies should make, yet I amenable to do so as my heart is also be notified through the employment filled with sorrow. You repeatedly say here exchanges. All the recruitments In these that it is difficult to provide employment to companies should be made from amongst each and every person and the people should the candidates sponsored by the employ- go in for self employment. Then you should ment exchanges. I can say with authority provide the means of self employment and that there are 5 percent such companies financial assistance from the banks to the where recruitment is made through employ- people. Earlier also, I had made a plea in my ment exchanges. I know thousands of com- speech and today also I asked Mr. Faleiro to panies in Delhi and Faridabad where this name a bank which has advanced loans to practice is not followed. They say that they any such people. From what source the had despatched letters by post which might people holding a diploma in mechanic trade not have reached the candidates. In this way or in the trade of an electrician from the I.T.I, they only observe formalities, express their who have a will to start their own business, helplessness and later say that they have will get money for self employment. They are already filled up the vacancies. Will it not not provided loans by the banks for the create resentment among the people whether purpose. Even after approaching the banks they belong to Punjab, Haryana or Bihar? a number of times they are not getting loans. They will think that the jobs which were When persons of my status write letters to supposed to be made available to them, the hon. Minister, we get a stereotype reply have gone to the peoplQ with lower q ualifica- from them. "I am looking into the matter or tions. It is injustice. the matter is being looked into". I want to know as to why do you waste the stationery In this way it is difficult to assess as to of the Government. You could convey the what shape the resentment and anguish of same through your P.A. or over the tele- the people will take. There are instances in phone that the matter is being looked into or other countries where people rose against you could print the stereo-type reply on post this type of injustice. I, therefore, request you cards and reply to hundreds of such letters. with folded hands to check this sort of injus- The hon. Minister forgets it that once he is tice. In fact, what happens is that the private relieved of the charge of the Ministry, even companies engage people on cas ual or daily the Members of Parliament like us, will take 343 Resolution re. JULY 28, 1989 one member in 344 Employment to each family

[Dr. G.S. Rajhans] ployment to a person just out of pity. A sort of feeling has gained ground in the minds of the no notice of them. Who bothers for the woes people that without approach they cannot of the people? If somebody knows driving, get employment. But I am of the view that it he finds it difficult to get a scooter. Please should be the reverse. People should be come with me and arrange a scooter for such given to understand that they will get em- a persons. It is very easy to deliver speeches, ployment on the basis of their qualifications but it is very difficult to realise the gravity of and justice will be done to them. Forthis, the the problems of people. Until and unless you Government, if necessary, should make identify your rules with the problems of the suitable amendments in the constitution. It people, you cannot bring social justice in the does not matter if the Government faces an real sense of the term. When the cake of uncalled for situation but it must been sured employment is very small, it is of no use if we that justice is done to all. make speeches after speeches that everybody In the country will be provided employ- 17.00 hrs. ment. When the cake IS small, we should take care to see that people get their due Priority in employment should be given share In it and there should be no injustice on to the people in whose family nobody is an that account. If there is a vacancy In any part income tax payer. Those families, which of the country, It should be filled up strictly on have an Income from agriculture and which the basis of open and written competition pay income tax and the families which have and interview and there should be no scope 3 to 4 members already employed can wait forfavouritism on the ground that a particular for some time. On the other hand, prefer- candidate is the near and the dear one of the ence should be given to those fam ilies where factory owner or a trade union leader or the the members of first generation are edu- blood relation of a politiCian leader or a cated and are now in search of employment bureaucrat. Then you will find that efficiency If they cannot be given preference over has become the part of work culture. For that others, they may be prOVided necessary matter if there is a vacancy in any private opportunities to compete with others. Prior- company or in any part of the country, there ity should be given to the members of those is no need to have the names of candidates families in trade and business, the outgoing sponsored througn an employment ex- generation of which has been educated and change. By doing so you Will find that resent- who are making every endeavour to come ment among people has receded because up with a hope that justice will be done to the people will come to understand that they them. You go to any part of Bihar, you will were not so capable as to get through the find that people are travelling on bus roofs competition. They will not have a feeling in and hanging like bees. Why is it so? It is their minds thatthey could not get the Jobs for because the Government does not issue want of Rs. 25,000. They will realise that permits to run new buses. What a grave employment will be available for those who injustice it is! Please provide financial assis- hold higher qualifications. People who were tance from banks to unemployed people to hitherto engaged in unproductive jobs will try form a society of the un-employed peopie to find productive work. Because this proce- and issue them permits to operate new buses. dure will instill confidence in them that they It will be beneficial to passengers also. The also can get this type of employment. Six to need of the hour is that you mix with the seven lakh people of my constituency work people, please liberalise the entire system in Delhi, Ghaziabad, Faridabad and Bal- without any restriction on the number of labhgarh areas. At least 300 to 400 people buses to be plied by a single individual or the meet me every day. Every day I write recom- groupof individuals. Let any numberof people mendation letters for individuals and hand run any number of buses to be financed by over to them. After a number of letters are the banks. It will boost up economic activities written to the employers, they provide em- with the availability of additional opportuni- 345 Resolution reo SRAVANA 6, 1911 (SAKAl one member in 346 Employment to each family ties of employment fer the people. Keynes the opposition parties have done it. " a small had said that employment is spiral. For assurance to that effect comes from the example, somebody sets up a bread factory Government with respect to Private Mem- and by that he gets wages making him bers' Bills or Resolution, and if this Resolu- capable of purchasing milk. It will help open tion is adopted, the Government has to take more dairy farms. By that money he will consequential steps to implement that Reso- purchase clothes which will necessitate the lution and, many a time, unless budgetary opening of more cloth mills. With the opening provisions are made available to that effect, of new cloth mills more people will be given Government may not be able to implement employment and they will purchase furniture that Resolution or Bill. I can understand this. resulting in the setting up of furniture units. It But here, I would like to state that Dr. Rajhans is called the multiplier effect. You create is very lucky in one respect as this policy has avenues of employment and the employ- already been accepted by the Government ment multiplier effect will automatically start and the Government has started implement- working. During the period of recession in ing it. Therefore, the question now arises is England Keyness made a suggestion to as to what is to be done at the fag end of the overcome the situation not by taking any debate on this particular Resolution? You special measures but by taking necessary can very well tell the House and direct that mea~ures like the digging of pits during the this Resolution should be adopted by the day z.nd filling them up in the night to amelio- House. And if it is done, we _."ill be only rate the condition of the masses by infusing agreeing, falling in line with whatever the money in the market. By that people will get Government has agreed to because in this money and the money will be brought in particular Resolution, unlike the Resolution circulation and thus the condition of people moved by Dr. Bhoi, you cannot ask Dr. will be ameliorated. If we think of finding Rajhans to withdraw it for the simple reason ways to provide employment, it is not neces- that you have already accepted it in prin- sary that Olle should be dependent on the ciple. So, at the most, unless it becomes Government. The only thing that is neces- redundant, you can say that it is not necessary is that the Government should give sary. But if at the fag end of the debate you guidance and ensure that justice is done to accept this Resolution and start implement- al!. Some more friends of mine wantto speak ing it, it will only strengthen the resolve of the on this occasion. It is such a subject which Government. concerns all. I would like to request the Government to think seriously on this matter Secondly, I would like to inform the and make every effort to provide some Madam Chairperson that Go? is the first employment, at least, on the principle of 'one State which has started implementing this Job ore family' depending on the qualifica- scheme of 'one job one family' almost two tions of the individual, in the rural as well as years back. We could do it because we are In the urban areas. a smaller State. It is a problem for a bigger State. But being a smaller State, Goa Gov- [English] ernment enacted the scheme and started implementing the scheme. Therefore, this SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): scheme iJndoubtedly is a laudable scheme Madam, I stand here to support the Resolu- accepted by the Government. Connected tion muved by myfriend Dr. G.S. Rajhans.ln with this employment scheme, this first fact, in the last four years I have been seeing machinery, the only vital machinery which that all the Private Members' Resolutions or comes into play is the employment exchange. Private Members' BillS which are discussed Dr. Rajhans has very vividly told about the here have to be withdrawn in consonance em~loyment exchanges. You hav(1 to admit with the wishes of the Government or due te that corruption is rampant there. In fact, I some mild assurances given by the Govern- have got an authentic information that even ment. And we do it. in fact, the Members of the Central Government is fully thinking of as 347 Resolution re. JULY 28,1989 one member in 348 Employment to each family

[Sh. Shantaram Naik] send a call to some Department'. Suppose we tell them that there is a yearwise list and to what IS to be done with respect to our we cannot interfere, they will laugh at us employment exchanges. Corruption is there. bocause they know that nobody goes by the We cannot avoid ~. But may I know from list, nobody takes the name yearwise today. anyone who can reply to me-either at the I cannot tell them that I cannot interiere State level or at the central level-about the because I also know that everybody inter- corruption which takes place or acts of feres from all the sides. So I wish that let a indiscipline on the part of the Government day come with a representative of the people servants which takes place with respect to should be able to say that 'no, I will not employment exchanges? Are there any interfere in this matter because everything is cases filed under Prevention of Corruption being done systematically, when your turn Act, 1947 and if so, how many such cases comes, your name will be called and a call are filed with respect to this? Suppose, in a letter will come to you.' He should be able to State, if you file five or ten cases per year tell people like that. But now unfortunately with respect of giving of jobs to the people or we have to ring certain people to see what the malpractice which takes place in the has happened to a particular case, whether employment exchanges, these things will be a call letter is sent or not, etc. reduced automatically. But despite the existence of logical machinery, we do not file Some people think that because we cases, we do not prosecute those who har- ~ave got employment problem, we should ass the people. In case, we start prosecuting discourage higher education. This is a policy these persons, whatever may be the result, matter. I am totally opposed to thiS idea. In course of time, I think, the corruption which Because we have got sufficient number of is there in the employment exchanges Will be engineers if we stop opening engineering reduced or minimised. colleges and beceause we have got sufficient number of lawyers and we stop encouraging Apart from this, what is required to be law colleges, that idea somehow does not done today with respect to employment attract me. Whethel :t is lower or middle exchanges is this. In case, human discretion education, ultimately we have to go on in- is to be avoided, what is to be done is the creasing the scope of education, whatever computerisation of all the employment ex- may be the fate of the educated people. As changes in the country. Maybe that ex- I said earlier, water will find its own course. changes are now at the disposal of the State Perhaps these youngsters may also find Government; but the State Governments their own course in the mat~er of employ- have to be prevailed upon. I learn that there ment. is a scheme of the Central Government to assist the State Governments in this matter. Another aspect I would like to stress is If so, that scheme should be Implemented that we are opening in various places indus- and within a period of two-three years, ali the trial training institutes. There we admit people employment exchanges in the country should because ultimately they should get some Job be computerised, so that the minimum human of a technical nature. The other day in Goa I discretion is Involved. I don't say that if found some admissions were made and computerisation is done corruption can be somebody challenged the admissior.s given totally avoided, No. But I car. tell you that in the ITI. The Court decided that on the straightway corruption to the extent of 50% basis of simple interview no one shOUld be can be avoided if computerisation of em- admitied in the ITI; but an aptitude test ployment exchanges is done, should be taken. Ultimately the apt~ude test was taken and it was tound that hundreds of As we are the representatives of the boys who appeared for that aptitude test people, people come to us requesting that failed. The question is, in such matters is it 'please tell some officer to take my name to the Government which is going to decide as 349 Reso/urlOn reo SRAVANA 6,1911 (SAKA) one member In 350 Employment to each family to what should be the test. how they should problems We confront problems one after be admitted In the ITlof IS rt the court of law another The most serious problem IS the If a court of law had decided that aptitude test problem of unemployment The ruling party- should be taken In the matter of admiSSions the Indian National Congress-has also to ITls, I would say the Government should addressed rtself to this problem In rts Se~ frame rules to say the manner In which the slon which was held In May last It wa:.. boys should be admitted In the ITI We discussed and the SPIrit of the Resolution a: should not leave these things to court of law least one member from every family should because ,t IS a policy matter It should be be given some sort of employment wa~ framed by the Government and the laws or approved In pnnclple As you know, In pursu- rules should be enacted to that effect ance of tnat, the Jawahar Rozgar YOJana has been launched Of course, the Jawahar Lastly, I would like to submit that since Rozgar YOJana IS also being discussed In we are for creating Jobs-maybe Jobs of a this House It IS inconclusive From the Budget particular category are I')ot available In the Session Itself, the diSCUSSion has been gOing countrY-I0bs of divergent categories, maybe on Yesterday alsowe have discussed Today of smaller grade, Will have to be created But also all that we are dlscus'5mg have some jobs of lower grade category may not be Such bearing on thiS problem, the problem of acceptable to some of our well educated a very serious nature, the problem of unem- people For that, we should create the work ployment Just prior to thiS what was the culture If work culture IS there then Jobs of matter that we were diSCUSSing It related to any grade would be acceptable to the people population explosion That was the prlvalp at large Today people seek only white col members' resolution which was beln0 r lored jO!:>s If they get jobs of manual nature cussed That IS also connected with tIl they feel that the dignity gets lowered They problem Again earlier to that the GOI/( , should recognise the dignity of labour With ment bUSiness transacted today relate~ l regard to all sorts of works The educated setting up of small industries developmp"" man prefers to go In for white colored Jobs bank That IS also In a way connected Wll' Therefore, the employment problem will be thiS problem of unemployment So all tht solved only to that extent three diSCUSSions today that we have had In the House related to thl~ problem The At the end,l once again congratulatE' Dr Jawahar Rozgar YOjana which has a provI- RaJhans for bringing forward such a Resolu- sion of expenditure to the tune of Rs 2613 tion I would say thdt he IS lucky because crores Will go a long way to provide succour there IS no reason for the Government to ask to the needy and poor people In rural areas the han Member to Withdraw It It has to be It IS meant to benefit the uneducated labour accepted In the last four years, no Private but Madam our unemployment problem IS Members Resolution had been adopted not confined to that It IS two-fold It IS edu- Perhaps, he may be the only person to b6 cated unemployment, and uneducated un- lucky enough to get hiS Resolution passed employment and also under-employment and Government has to evolve a strategy to SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI (Deog effectively tackle thiS problem It has taken a arh) 1V1adam Chairperson, At the outset I very alarming proportion I am not gOing to thank you for calling me to speak on thiS quote figures It IS Just alarming Members Resolution I thank the mover of the Resolu are very much aware of these figures I may tlon, Dr RaJhans, our good fnend, for haVing also say that the figures that we have In the brought thiS Resolution before the House live registers of our employment exchanges which has ultimately provided the opportu- cannot be tully depended upon The real nsty for diSCUSSing thiS Important problem In figure of unemployed persons IS much more thiS House than what IS contained In Government records that are being maintained In the form of Madam, todaytre r',Jllr T'yfa':.es so many live registers In the employment exchanges. 351 Resolution reo JULY 28, 1989 one member in 352 Employment to each family [Sh. Sriballav Panigrahi] affidavits? It is just for getting a job. This is the situatior. prevailing now. Whatever it is here I would like to narrate the experiences of the people of the year 1944, As you know, even matrICulates and viz., at the time of Second World War and degree-holders are pulling rickshaws. I don't before Independence. That situation contin- mind their doing so because it is dignity of ued in some areas even till sometime after labour. Shri Shantaram Naik said that he Independence. They say that the moment was not opposed to expansion of education. young men and women left the universities Who opposes expansion of education? Let and were in the midst of enjoying their vaca- there be BAs and MAs in every family. At the tions and even sometimes before the results same time, let them not unnecessarily have were published they used to get appoint- prestige, consciousness which unfortunately ments as lecturers. I had a Professor who is associated with the university degree in used to tell LIS that dUring the vacations itself this country. Even after university education, before his MA result was published he got an one should be prepared for manual work. offer. He was requested to ioin and the One should be prepared to start a 'paan' apPOintment was to be confirmed subject to shop or run a grocery shop with financial publication or results. assistance, etc. You look at the communist society. What is happening in China today? Now look at the situation. Today even New things are happening all over the world. Ph.D. degree holders are not even getting What happened in the Soviet Union? That is calls from the Public Service Commission to the country under a new system which has be considered for the post of lecturer. I have not witnessed any strike under the present seen myself half a dozen such Ph.D. degrge system. But recently, a very large number of holders. I can name them. It is most pathetic. coalminers went on strike in the Soviet Un- Here I would like to narrate one incident. I ion. Thus things are changing every where. represent the entire coal-belt in Orissa A sense of unrest is creeping in. At the same stretching over two districts, viz., Sambalpur time, we cannot take solace that it is happen- and Dhenkanal. They come within my parlia- ing here. there and everywhere. The young mentary constituency. The coal industry is people, who are the future of the CQUntr/, are expanding. We are opening up new coal talented people. They have potentialities. mines. That gives employment to people They are enthusiastic and have a lot of and since British days what i5 the qualifica- physical power. He can we channelise them tion required for a loader a coolie who cuts in a proper direction? Schools and colleges coal in the underground mine. The qualifica- are opening. That is agood sign. Our young- tion required is 'L TI' Left Thumb Impression. men are getting educated. When they don't I also appreciate the wisdom of British find suitable jobs at the end of their educa- administrator who can go in a tunnel-like tion, they get frustrated. There are instances thing to get to the underground mine. Unless when some such children, coming from good ·"._gne··;s an illiterate fellow, one who is not families orchildren of well-paid officers, have 'conscious of prestige, etc., he cannot go taken to theft. The newspaper reports say there and work. There is no light and air. We so. It is happening because they develop a make only some artificial provision. Nowthe habit of spending money. They cannot situation is Vf~ry bad for such posts in the manage with pocket money. Everyone has country, particularly in the field of employ- to practice simple-jiving in a country like ment. I have come across young men, hav- India. So, a change in attitude is needed. ing good ~amilv background and with gradu- The problem is very much there. In the area ate or post-graduate degree, who are ap- of uneducated labour force, etc., if we pro- pearing for interviews after swearing affida- vide irrigation facilities early, it can take care vits that they are illiterates. They are gradu- of that problem. Almost throughout the year, ates but are putting 'LT\, qualilication on some agricultural operations are going on in Governmen~ records. What for do t~ey swear the irrig~ted and ayacut areas. There we do 353 Resolution reo SRAVANA 6. 1911 (SAKA) one member in 354 Employment to each family not find anybody without employment. They entrusted in thi~ programme. They can stay get involved and engaged in the agricultural in the villages. They can go for mass planta- process but who can help people who sit idle tion, social forestry, illiteracy programmes, without liking to do such work? Basically, village cleaning and things like that. I be- ours is an agricu~ural oountry. Wa have an lieve. this will change the minds of younger agricultural economy. Most of our people are generation to some extent. This change involved in agricultural operations. Of course, should be at all levels such as leaders, Government have got several development MlAs. MPs and teachers. We should not programmes also. We are spending crores hold only the young men and women coming of rupees on such programmes. Such pro- out of the schools and colleges responsible grammes also engage people. But as far as for this situation. We should not blame them educated unemployment is concerned, it is that they are not able to stand on their own going to take a serious and dangerous turn. legs and they have become parasites. It will Therefore, what is required is change of not be fair or just to blame like this. So, the attitude in young men an'd women. The dig- situation is quite serious and it needs a nity of labour has to be manifested in our change in our approach, in all sections, in educational system. We have brought some our society and adm inistration. We can tackle reforms in our educational system. We have the problem this way. I appreciate that a the new educational policy also. We were regular campaign was going on. I do not very enthusiastic in the beginning but it could know whether it is complete. Our Minister of not have that much effect as was expected. State tor Home AtfClirs, Shri Chidambaram is It ;s an improvement on the earlier system or touring throughout the length and breadth of earlier policy. But the whole lot could not be the country, visiting State ca~itals and other changed by this policy. It requires a revolu- centres, one after another, to review the tionary change.The minds of our young folk v~cancy position with rt~gard to scheduled have got to be revolutionalised. I would castes and scheduled tribes. that is the posts suggest to givG them bank finance and self- reserved tor them. That is good.But at the employment opportunities. Banks give Rs. same time, we are forgetting that a large 2500001 something like that as loan. There number of vacancies also meant for general are a large number of applicants coming categories have remained unfilled for a long forward. They are also putting pressure on time and those include scheduled C;:iste and us as to ring this man or that man or to scheduled tribe candidates also, because approach somebody. There is a iimit to all they can also compete for that. Of course, these things. Whatever it is, they should get where these are reserved for scheduled the benefit of banking finance to become castes and scheduled tribes, the general self·reliant. At the same time, after leaving candidates cannot come. But all those va- the alma mater, the university or after get- cancies are there. I do not understand the i ting the degree, young men and women wisdom of not filling all these posts. should be made to work in camps in rural areas before entering their real life. Their sntire expenditure like pocket expenses and I can give you another example. In Coal food should be borne by the Government. India, coal industry, a large number of va- They should work in the rural background cancies are there are there is a ban on and do work like cleaning tanks, construct- recruitment. The industry is expanding, coal ing roads etc. We are spending a lot of mines are expanding and they want people. money in illiteracy programme. We have our For one post, you can find hundred qualified own reservations about the implementation people, but why have you imposed a ban? It of this programme. We have some voluntary is qUite contradictory. J would request the organisations and some of them are dOing han. Minister to take note of it and sort it out good work. But many of the organisations at the highest level. The problem IS quite which are indulged in this work are looting serious. There are a large number of unem- money. The young men and women can be ployed people. All posts ~hould be fille~. up. 355 Resolution reo JULY 28,1989 one member in 356 Employment to each family

[Sh. Sriballav Panigrahi1 and hearts of young meritorious m.an and women? You kindly realise thiS point.

Somebody was suggesting introduction There are many other things also but I of computers. When it is a question of quali- don't want to tal<·! much time of the House. tative improvement, it IS welcome, but not for Many learned fr 'J ,ds are waiting to pc:

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18.00 hrs. The Speaker has accepted his resignation with immediate effect. RESIGNATION BY MEMBER CONTD.

[Eng/ish1 18.01 hrs. ~:~R. CHAIRMAN: I have to inform the House that the Speaker has today received one more letter of resignation from Shri C. The Lok Sabha then adjoumed till Eleven Janga Reddy, member from Hanamkonda of the Clock on Monday, July 31, 19891 constituency of Andhra Pradesh. Sravana 9, 1911 (Saka)

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